💀┃acolyte

[zenith current]

well that's excellent

More and more set on this build, then

I was a little concerned for rip blood, not so much anymore 😛

[molten bramble]

only issue is that it only applies to the rip bloods cast by boot proc not by CB procs

[jade cove]

People running unspecced Harvest makes me cry honestly. I know its not popular and I never expected it to become crazy popular but with Tithe it really can provide some great benefits and not even be your main skill

[abstract summit]

it works on the rip bloods from boots

[dark inlet]

Oh wow, I missed until now that the # of triggers also scaled per point for Macabre Dance. Reaper Form uptime activate!

72% nominal cooldown shaved off (little bit less because of animation times to use Flay, but still). not bad at all.

[zenith current]

Yeah that is not a big deal, not like you got a lot to spend your points on in CB tree

tbh might even drop it for 8% more and 8% hit dmg vs cursed, likely comparable

without mana scaling rip blood might as well just peck

Hmm

[abstract summit]

ye tbh every proc besides CB is for utility

[plain nest]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1PRnr4o i think ultimately im settling on this

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (69) / Warlock (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,201, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 1,107.18, Regen: 18.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 329%, Regen: 109/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 16 Dex / 107 Int / 16 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 77% / 77% / 87% / 77% / 153% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 704
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (87)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,707)

Used skills:

Flay / Reaper Form / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Harvest

[zenith current]

Tbh reworked harvest is not enough to make me feel excited for it

[jade cove]

Haha yeah that's what I expected, but with Tithe Harvest is utility and burst only so you don't have to "endure" using it permanently 😛

[zenith current]

I was so

hoping they'd keep old wraith skin

would be so broken with the axe

[jade cove]

100% Crit and 32% Crit Multi alone is great utility already and if you proc it with CB you have free necrotic shred

I think I didn't saw necrotic shred in your setup yet

[dark inlet]

yeah, direct use of it feels super bad, just needed for the axe Great Harvest proc for mana.

other than Learned Weakness a lot of its nodes feel super bad

[zenith current]

oh that'll probably be a blessing

[jade cove]

You didn't take the blessing your took armor

[zenith current]

ye i know, fixing that now

[abstract summit]

so the belt is kinda 350-400 ward per sec (if you would go up to 1500-1600 mana) according to my calc, so it could be pretty good

[zenith current]

i dont think CB triggered Harvest is enough to sustain 10 stacks of shred, sadly

[jade cove]

Why Strands of Souls though? Mana consuemd is not Mana spent, it will only generate ward from direct flay use

[dark inlet]

I thought Mana Spent didn't count mana "consumed"

yeah, what Heavy said

[abstract summit]

ye then it's bad

~100

[jade cove]

Then you either don't have enough Dex or Chaos Bolts 😛

[abstract summit]

harvest procs are capped

[jade cove]

Because 3 procs/sec with 4 sec uptime on shred is enough to get 10 stacks :P. Harvest can have 100% Shred

[zenith current]

okay hot take

would you drop reaper form for triggered harvest

[abstract summit]

no but i would drop marrow for it 😄

[zenith current]

marrow's good thooo

[abstract summit]

isnt really

[zenith current]

Is with all the mana scaling

[jade cove]

I REALLY wouldd love to say yes. That is my only pet pieve with this Patch, that they didn't touched Reaper Form, it is still just too good. I think I am less sad about it comapred to things like old Voaltile Reversal because Reaper Form just makes so much sense for a Lich.

But yeah the answer is no (at least for 99% of builds).

Simply 100% inc crit is just too good and the oneshot protection

[abstract summit]

this is when i agve it 200+ flat

do you have 200+ flat on it?

[zenith current]

25 adaptive, 100 spell necrotic, 186 melee necrotic(fully converted to spell), sounds like a yes sir.

[abstract summit]

how are you converting the melee necrotic to spell for marrow

[zenith current]

ah sorry, 50% converted

[abstract summit]

that's for CB only

[zenith current]

hmm

ah thats for eruption

Was looking at bloodsoaked blade

[abstract summit]

ye that' the other part

[jade cove]

What do you mean with "fully converted to spell"?

[zenith current]

misread

[abstract summit]

so even fully specced marrow under ideal circumstances will be kinda... 1/10th of the CB procs

[zenith current]

yowch

hmm

[jade cove]

Haha yes Tithe only gives CB and Bloodsoaked Blade only for Eruption 😛

[abstract summit]

basically sameish damage as ahrvest if you gave that some melee flat and dex, but then harvest also gives the utility Heavy mentioned

[jade cove]

I didn't want to make a unique that has Ravenous Void level of rarity 😛

[abstract summit]

if the 50% line would be all spells... 😄

i would be okay even with 1 lp lol

[zenith current]

seems like the play is dropping 4 points in Marrow for Blood Revelry, and occasionally Great Harvest? 🙂 ?

[raven rock]

Is anyone gonna try and play cold flay? I don’t know LE like I know Poe to make my own build I’m in the planner and have no idea what I’m doing.

I just wanted to either play necrotic/cold melee lich with flay and play a true melee with good clear and bossing. Would love some help trying to make the build.

[jade cove]

Just go ahead and try it, it will work 100%, even if your own setup is not absolutely fleshed out.

Don't be afraid and go for it!

[abstract summit]

depends how 60% crit multi stacks up against the nodes you would be getting but at least wouldnt focus on the marrow procs too much unless full dex stacking with mourning frost

[zenith current]

well, harvest is 12% cull, necro shred, global 100% crit and 32% multi on top of some ward/sec on top of some okay damage, should be aight

[jade cove]

I really dislike laying out an entire build for peopel asking, so just try your own, make a planner and share it here. I am happy to give input for some direction and major flaws I spot. But go ahead and try your own.

That is the beauty of LE, you can make literally everything work

[zenith current]

i am good at pitching builds, but like 90% of them just won't have enough damage or defenses even though everything in the universe tells me it should xD

unless stars align xD

[pearl snow]

Literally any build can do 300cr and normal abby

Okay well

Any build that has an identity and isnt doing a billion different thongs

[zenith current]

Yeah but my goal is like, that one build that people don't really think about and breaks the game 😄

[abstract summit]

i personally would still take the node for the crit multi but tbh havent evaulated the alternatives yet specifically for necro crit so your mileage may vary

[raven rock]

Yeah the main problem is synergy with other skills. Like I made my own warlock build and it sucked then I looked at a build and fissure played off rip blood, decay, chaos bolt and curses and I was like…oh I had no idea I could even automate half that stuff

But guess will try and make something

[pearl snow]

What did you do?

[raven rock]

Is crit looking good for flay in terms of stats

[pearl snow]

Crit is promising

[raven rock]

Ok

[abstract summit]

it has the damage for uber built right, if that qualifies as promising 🙂

[raven rock]

Yeah I didn’t realize you could like automate so much of some skills with others in the other skills passives

I just don’t know enough

[pearl snow]

Oh so it was just giga clunky makes sense

[raven rock]

Yeah damage was bad also

[jade cove]

Ok, I could make you one offer. give me a direction you would prefer and I pitch you some ideas and then you work out your own planner off that.

I am just really against pitching people entire builds, you should try and come up with what YOU like.

Do you want more Melee? More Spell or Hybrid focus?

[pearl snow]

You dont like making planners then being blamed when it’s “bad” because they didnt follow it

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BglOpRxo adjusted for harvest over marrow shards. You swap 60% multi on Flay only for 32% global multi/100% crit chance

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,083, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 692.51, Regen: 24.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 15 Dex / 51 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 78% / 78% / 78% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,409
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,986)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[raven rock]

For sure I don’t really care what’s meta I’m playing a melee Kayn from league build. I want to dash in with scythe and melee people

[jade cove]

So you want a more melee focus? with less spells? And you said you want cold stuff?

[raven rock]

Yeah that would be sick

[jade cove]

That would be a good starting point to at least pitch some ideas

[raven rock]

Yeah I just don’t know what synergizes with flay

[jade cove]

Do you want Hit/Crit or DoT/Ailment focused?

[pearl snow]

Yeah there will 100% be something there for a Kayn style

[raven rock]

Like how to amplify the cold or necrotic if I go either

[zenith current]

Not sure how good is Blood Revelry tbh, 200% more Harvest on a great harvest should feel chunky

[raven rock]

So was planning to slam crit prob

Because feel like crit always good for filler damage if I don’t know better

Like don’t need full guide just ballpark guideline

[zenith current]

well then, which of the two you prefer

[raven rock]

To start somewhere

[raven rock]

Cold for sure

[jade cove]

For a Cold/Necrotic Hit Hybrid palystyile Flay + Chaos Bolt will work great, Chaos Bolt is a 50/50 dual type spell. Nativel its Fire Necrotic and can be converted to Cold/Necrotic

[raven rock]

Freezing with melee sounds fun

[zenith current]

i got something

[jade cove]

So you could play pure Cold Flay with Cold Necro Chaos Bolts

[abstract summit]

why the poison chance in harvest?

[zenith current]

For unique ailment for Harvest

[abstract summit]

or, if you slap on a +2 nihilis could get to wraith skin

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkORd9Q I made this earlier for Cold. The principle is simple, you stack phys and cold res to get flat cold to attacks and spells.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,983, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 562.51, Regen: 22.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 157%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 95 Dex / 46 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 63% / 78% / 63% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (380)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,997)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[zenith current]

dex and mana being your main priorities

Flay triggers Cold marrow shards and half cold CB.

Death seal for defenses.

and shred

tbh might swap out reaper form in this one for more crit chance/dmg

[abstract summit]

frostbite, damned, necro shred, bleed, chill, armor shred, frailty you have more than 6 ailments

[dark inlet]

Damn. Thought I was onto something with Summon Skeleton: Mind Catcher, but the chance to summon a skeleton with the boots is a flat 6%, not 6% per stack of Excoriation 😞

Was going to try to rapidly summon and get-killed skeletons for mana lol

[zenith current]

yea its just 6%

though i'm not sure if its 2 checks

[dark inlet]

One of life's undeath's great tragedies

[zenith current]

(one for melee attack and one for the spell)

[zenith current]

I dont have frostbite or armor shred, yet.

or frailty for that matter

wait lemme check

[raven rock]

Tysm

[zenith current]

Damn, Chill, Frostbite, bleed, poison, necro shred

[zenith current]

Frostbite would be very similar to this, except you'd run snowdrift boots and stack freeze rate multiplier over dex

[raven rock]

I’m very worried about reaper form mini game I heard it’s not fun to play

[zenith current]

?

You pop form, you kill shit

😄

[crimson flame]

until it drops. and you dont 😄

[zenith current]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade cove]

Here @raven rock a very bare bone setup just to give you an idea and direction (You want to stack mana and Dex primarily)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q971wGPo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (69) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,158, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 189.51, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 185%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 17 Dex / 60 Int / 2 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / -12% / 5% / -17% / 0% / 63% / 23%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 232
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (199)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 1% (16)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form

[abstract summit]

you have fbite from CB

[dark inlet]

Flay has a node that can cut the Reaper Form CD by ~72% (with 6 Flay hits), so dropping out of Reaper isn't so bad if you use Flay. can get back in pretty quick

[raven rock]

Haha yeah in some of the guides they said you can lose reaper form

[zenith current]

way ahead of you 😄

[raven rock]

Oh ok

[jade cove]

Oh I just saw Theory already posted one as well.

[abstract summit]

and you must have armor shred in a hit build, so go get some 😄

[zenith current]

Yeah I do need a source of armor shed and frailty in this

then i can take out poison for spomething

[jade cove]

If you want fleshed out suggestions I guess the other people can help you way more, I just don't like sharing too fleshed out build ideas.

The only thing I will say that the skill setup in my planner will bring you very far already

[abstract summit]

frailty is one idol, that's easy

[zenith current]

so it is

Armor shred tho? hm

[neon vigil]

I'm hesitant about Corrupted Form. Is it worth capping your ward so low?

[abstract summit]

gloves suffix is prob best

[raven rock]

And there is no more snapshotting right? It wasn’t that big of a deal but I had to swap idols for warlock all the time

[zenith current]

correct

[pearl snow]

Ew Warlock snapshotting

[raven rock]

Was very dumb

[pearl snow]

Why

Whatd you snapshot

[raven rock]

Aura of decay

[pearl snow]

Oooooh

Yeah gross

[raven rock]

And because I was told to 😂

[zenith current]

might not be worth it, but its a 4p swap anyway

[pearl snow]

Yeah I refuse to but I played Witchfire and Flame Whip neither needed it

[neon vigil]

Oh right, I wasn't necessarily criticising a specific build, just talking in general about it

[abstract summit]

corrupted form is bait, dont at me

[pearl snow]

Is that the 66% thing?

I forgor

[raven rock]

So are you all just slamming rip blood for leveling?

[pearl snow]

Im gunna test harvest leveling

[dense linden]

for flays dismember how is it suppose to benefit from damage over time if anybody knows

[pearl snow]

But CB DoT is a good route too

[neon vigil]

Nah, Corrupted Form makes it so you get 30% More Health, 10% of Health as Endurance Threshold, but your ward and health are both capped at 50% of your max health and you always count as low life

[pearl snow]

Oh yeah that

I wanna try that

[jade cove]

Flay's Macabre Dance reduced Reaper Forms (and reaps) remaining cooldown.
So even if you proc all 6 triggers at instant speed that is "only" 31% off its initial cooldown

[zenith current]

@abstract summit You think Wraith skin is worth it even with 50-66% life?

[raven rock]

Oh damn ok

[pearl snow]

Heavy have you done Harvest leveling in recent times? I have a wild guess you may have

Just wanna know roughly how smooth it is

[raven rock]

Is there an mtx so we don’t have to transform and look like reaper form and just keep our normal look?

[abstract summit]

what else would you put the points into

[jade cove]

Oh wait Dance Macabre scales to 12%, I mean 54%

[unreal hill]

would you be down to toss some ideas my way on mine as well?
still pretty early and figuring out things as I go.
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/4y7j30q6

[zenith current]

Mind Harvest, Spectral Whetstone, Steal Youth, Ghost Conduit, Life Eater...

the travel and self-bleed doesn't seem worth the trouble

[abstract summit]

ye mind / ghost is also good, i just had a lot more points so i specced everything 😄

[zenith current]

am at 24

[dark inlet]

oh, I misread that. even so, the math is slightly off. it'd be 12% per, 6x, so 0.88^6 gives 0.46, for 54% shaved off, roughly (again slightly less because of time spent in the actual Flay animations elapsing)

[zenith current]

@abstract summit https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpXL9pQ all right, adjusted.

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,159, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 630.51, Regen: 22.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 15 Dex / 51 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 78% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,435
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,986)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[jade cove]

Yes exactly. I didn't wanna sound nitpicky, but I have a urge to correct people with stuff like that 😅
Especialyl when its about an important uptime skill you definitely need to plan for some downtime

[zenith current]

how dare your math be wrong

smh

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[jade cove]

Yeah no worries, gonna take a look in a second after my daily bass practice routine.
How "new" are you to LE?

[unreal hill]

I've played a few seasons, but got burned out before hitting abberoth.
I just maxed out my cof levels. And I'm at 260 corruption or so? not sure how far up I can climb

haven't played acolyte since beta tho

[gentle fog]

Any thoughts on this set of skills?

[abstract summit]

dot or crit?

[neon vigil]

Maybe fine for a Bleed build, except probably not Bone Curse? Idk, I've not been terribly impressed by bone curse except gimmicks

[gentle fog]

Dot with the bleed gloves

[jade cove]

Finally I see some bone curses, +100 DKP in my book

[neon vigil]

boo hiss

[gentle fog]

Might swap bone curse out for Rip Blood or something. It seems more hit focused than dot focused

[abstract summit]

it's kinda like a broken record but you kinda want to trigger a metric fton of CBs for every build lol

[jade cove]

I tell you a secret, Bone Curse leverages Chaos Bolts more than any other skill 😄

[neon vigil]

Well yes, Chaos Bolts does hit many times, and it might be okay damage if you're a spell build. But doesn't it not trigger ailments like a normal hit?

[molten bramble]

problem is baseline bone curse dmg is not that much different than spec'd

[neon vigil]

I thought that was a huge part of it, because otherwise you could slot bone curse in to every build and suddenly lol you've doubled all your ailment stacking

[zenith current]

i dunno about bone curse for bleed

id just do rip blood instead.

[abstract summit]

trigger 80 CBs a second, make them bleed, profit

[zenith current]

@abstract summit have any other feedback? I think I'm largely set with this one, no?

[jade cove]

If you don't see the value of Bone Curse I don't know. I am not further discussing this 🤐 😅

[zenith current]

Bone curse is good for hits, but for bleed?

[neon vigil]

I don't see the value and I'm telling everyone

I'm climbing a mountain and screaming it

(its fine for hits but not ailments)

[zenith current]

ya that's what i thought

[unreal hill]

[abstract summit]

generally speaking more mana

[jade cove]

Ok that is a fair statement I didn't see it was about ailments

[abstract summit]

imo you took some quetionable prefixes in places which could be mana

[neon vigil]

Ya

[jade cove]

Stil I have not seen any setup with bone curse yet

[neon vigil]

With hits? probably amazing

[pearl snow]

Uh oh not DKP

[zenith current]

Can you sell it to me?

i dont think i see the math behind t5 flat mana.

[abstract summit]

helmet ammy gloves

solve crit somehow else

[molten bramble]

I value bone curse in builds and it adds alot of damage. I just think spec'ing it is not always the best option if there are other skills that provide more. Basically I think baseline bone curse is strong and spending a slot to spec it can have some value but I think most other skills spec outshine it.

[neon vigil]

I'm trying to determine if there's a fun SpellFlay->Wandering Spirit build

[abstract summit]

and we already got a lotta % increased imo

[zenith current]

i guess the crit situation is no longer a problem

since i have harvest now

YEP

[atomic quest]

You now gain 0.8% minion power per character level (from 0.6%). This means that at level 100 your minions deal 60% more damage and take 60% less damage (from 45% for both).

Is that a typo in the patch notes or something else (like a cap)?

[pearl snow]

Bone curse can do so much if specd honestly if you can spare it

[molten bramble]

It can be valuable to apply armor shred and marked for death, however flay provides marked for death so half of the reason to spec it is wasted.

[jade cove]

Well then we disagree here I guess. I think Bone Curse offers so much different good stuff in one skill, its hard to not spec it

[abstract summit]

let me guess, Heavy you have bone curse in your secret planner 😄

[molten bramble]

I entertained the idea of specing over harvest

[jade cove]

🤐

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-love-lucy-okay-idk-gif-1719229050300372874

[pearl snow]

Heavy is having Bone Curse be his main dmg confirmed

[molten bramble]

but harvest is just ward gen, crit, crit multi

[abstract summit]

i could see it instead of reaper in a 1 HP variant of the necro crit flay

[neon vigil]

Actually that's a good question, Heavy you might know

Chaos Bolts can "refresh" curses, and Bone Curse has a node that makes Bone Curse fall off

[pearl snow]

If Flay wasn’t 30 Warlock could do some curse proc shenanigans

[neon vigil]

can Chaos Bolts counteract that?

[molten bramble]

If I was doing low life no reaper build it would probably be my 5th spec skill

[neon vigil]

ah wait

6 second cooldown

Probably not

oh, and it specifically says "curse duration"

rip me

[pearl snow]

Theres a cd on the cb cast for curse

[abstract summit]

it was a thing but they killed it at some point if i remember well

[pearl snow]

Refresh is infinite

[jade cove]

Refresh means its durations goes up again it is NOT reapplied

[molten bramble]

I have tested this it falls off

[neon vigil]

Yeah, that's what I overlooked. Thanks.

[shadow jacinth]

Does this node potentially kill or or just not work if there is not enough life since it doesnt have the "current heath" phrase that many others do

[jade cove]

You die

[neon vigil]

rip

[jade cove]

☠️

[modest escarp]

Can anyone recommend a season starter Lich build, so I can eventually fulfill my flay dreams?

[zenith current]

Too many to list

pick a theme

[shadow jacinth]

RIP, not worth then

[jade cove]

Imagine your are in a Ice Cream Shop, choose your flavour first

There are too many flay flavours

[modest escarp]

well I'm gonna be mana stacking spell damage with flay

[zenith current]

Ya that's roughly what im doing

phys, necrotic, cold?

[modest escarp]

Cold

[jade cove]

There is still 3 different damagettype/conversiosn to choose from

[zenith current]

then i can give you a planner i gave someone else, feel free to push it further.

[jade cove]

Hit/Crit or DoT/Ailment?

[modest escarp]

Hit/Crit

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJ9WKxB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,983, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 562.51, Regen: 22.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 157%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 95 Dex / 46 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 63% / 78% / 63% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (380)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,997)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[modest escarp]

Bleed is the other Flay Spell build (using Chaos BOlts to apply) but you don't care about spell dmg then

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/wq7fq0g3 this is what I'm aiming for eventually (key word: eventually)

[abstract summit]

i mean you get flay at what, 45? ish

[modest escarp]

yeah

[abstract summit]

just rip or chaos bolt or harvest til then

[modest escarp]

Fair enough!

[abstract summit]

or go warlock and fissure 😄

[pearl snow]

Warlock until 70ish and then respeccing is very valid

[abstract summit]

just make sure to do the respec before the cost balloons out of reach

[zenith current]

this one's weird

why frostbite

this build has an identity crisis

and it has +4 proj chaos bolts, that doesnt work

neither does One big bolt iirc

[hidden sable]

infernal shade lich untill 2 ghostflame cost reduction idols, then full ghostflame

[neon vigil]

aw shame, I was wondering about One Big Bolt

[shadow jacinth]

iirc the more bolts and big bolt work on seed of chaos triggers

[modest escarp]

why?

[abstract summit]

cause Mike said so 😄

[shadow jacinth]

Dev confirmed

[zenith current]

its a consume effect, not a skill trigger, technically

[neon vigil]

Where's Seed of Chaos again?

[abstract summit]

technically you are not casting "Chaos Bolts" the skill, you create a projectile. one projectile

[modest escarp]

OH

That makes sense

[shadow jacinth]

lower right, around the harvest node area

[modest escarp]

That also answers the "how does this interact with mana cost?"

[neon vigil]

Ah okay, thanks

[jade cove]

Ok I need some time to process your build 😅 That is quite different from basically everything I saw so far.
Did you forget to select specced skills? its hard to judge when I don't know what skills you wanna use?

[zenith current]

yeah this one looks half baked

[abstract summit]

ye but seed is like 10% chance

[zenith current]

i would not follow that maxroll

[modest escarp]

Mine or @unreal hill ?

[zenith current]

Rocketman's

oh wait

[zenith current]

no, yours

[unreal hill]

Haven't really figured out a damage dealer yet, I want to do bleed though and was looking for recomendations there.
Just fell in love with the synergies I found so far :v

[modest escarp]

Dangit

[jade cove]

Nah @unreal hill said hes not done it was only ideation I think but without knowing what skills its hard to judge

[modest escarp]

I mean it's had about ~30 minutes of work on it thus far, half baked isn't an unfair description

[zenith current]

stick to one element and damage type, its a bit between cold, necrotic, hit and frostbite

[abstract summit]

cant wait to brick 250 font of the eraseds once again lol

[zenith current]

Umm

wait whats the point about seed of chaos?

does seed of chaos work?

[jade cove]

I gonna be bland here. I absolutely hate ailment builds I don't wanna have to do anything with them and I can't give any adequate suggestions because I have zero expertise.

[jade cove]

Yes it does

[zenith current]

but that does not help single target at all, right?

[jade cove]

If oyu mean via triggered CB from Chaos Rip

[abstract summit]

ye seed works and chains could combine the one projectil together with its repeat, but like do you wanna spec chains just for that happening once in 10 procs?

[dark inlet]

works, potentially adds a lot of mana sustain challenges, but works 😅

[jade cove]

Correct, there is a minimum distance for something to spawn

[zenith current]

I mean

[unreal hill]

I'm kinda the same feeling, but I'm not sure what else would work with the current setup.

[jade cove]

It just helps a bit with clear

[zenith current]

5 m minimum distance

[modest escarp]

so would Chaos Rip proc Harvests?

[zenith current]

is kinda

eh

I assume seed of chaos is not boosted by Flay mana scaling?

[shadow jacinth]

it can proc harvest and blood rip

[modest escarp]

Ok cool tyvm

[abstract summit]

ye all procs are okay

[shadow jacinth]

since neither of those are direct cast

[dark inlet]

regular Harvests, yeah. the Great Harvest if you're using the new axe has to be direct use

[jade cove]

Correct but that one would use the entire tree including extra projectiles for example, because that would be a "whole cast"

[zenith current]

seems not worth the mana expenditure, in all honesty

or the point expenditure

[abstract summit]

the extra mana consumption node before chains would be a pain, yep

[neon vigil]

Hm. I'm trying to make a direct damage build, and idk. I'm not actually sure mana stacking is all that great if you go necrotic damage. The new flat melee/spell is really really good.

[dark inlet]

if the mana could be solved, it'd be pretty hilarious for clear. but yeah... the mana is a huge issue with it (particularly if you're doing the extra projectiles)

[jade cove]

If you have 1 point spare (most hit/crit triggered CB builds cannot realyl effectively spend all skill points anyway. Its still a cool node. It looks very cool because you have Chaos Bolts flaying everywhere

[abstract summit]

the new flat/melee which is necrotic? 🙂

[zenith current]

It wont hit for crap without the mana scaling arguably

[neon vigil]

Yeah, that's why I mentioned "if you go necrotic", which I am! Because why not.

[abstract summit]

what else would you do isntead of mana stacking

[zenith current]

Mana Anarchy (CB right side) does work though, right?

though now that I think about it, 13 mana per projectile might kill my mana pool

[abstract summit]

it prob does and is an issue 😄

[neon vigil]

Moar crit, more crit multi, more flat, more increased, really anything. I'm trying to make a hit build that actually makes Bone Curse work. It's.. maybe not the worst. I haven't really looked at items much except for the obvious heavy axe/traitors tongue combo though.

[dark inlet]

idk, pretty high volume of them. in theory it can like triple+ your chaos bolts count.

[zenith current]

yea, but only for clear which is not what you struggle with anyway

[jade cove]

Shit you reminded me, I wanted to ask Zay about that. I am not 100% certain actually I did not properly use/test that actually.

I am 95% sure it should work.

[shadow jacinth]

So if I have tithe, which takes 50% of the damage on my weapons and makes it spell damage on CB, is that damage carrying over it's type from the weapons, and if those types are changed by CB (like necrotic to phys) does that change that added damage?

[dark inlet]

right... which is why I said for clear, and that it would be funny

[zenith current]

ill do the honors

[abstract summit]

you want a clear answer or just some pointers?

[neon vigil]

I'll take whatever, I'm just goofin right now

[abstract summit]

mana stack is big good with necrotic crit flay 😄

[dark inlet]

unga bunga flay bad guys, big sparkles, bad guys dead

[molten bramble]

I assume it takes what ever the dmg type is. If it is adaptive then it will move over 50% of the adaptive melee dmg then down the line for each type of melee dmg.

[little wigeon]

Is mana/mana regen prefix the 2nd choice after hybrid nec spell/mel?

[jade cove]

If its "adpative" melee damage (mostly present on Weapon Implicits) It will covnert to whatever CB is. If its already a specific damage type e.g. +X Melee Necrotic Damage it will add Spell Necrotic Damage regardless of CB's conversion.

Also remember that adaptive spell damage for CB will always be split 50/50 because it always has 2 damage types.

[molten bramble]

I think it is attack speed

[modest escarp]

btw the frostbite/damned/bleed/etc. is cause the Chaos Bolt node that givse +12% more damage per status (damned, frostbite, bleed, ignited)

[abstract summit]

atk speed or crit multi most prob

[zenith current]

Right but no reason to run aura of decay over

[shadow jacinth]

ty

[abstract summit]

but that answer will always kinda depend on howm uch you have from all the other stats

[neon vigil]

Do subskills get damage converted if the main skill does? eg Coagulated Blood and Blood Splatter in Rip Blood?

[molten bramble]

could also be increase crit we are slightly off cap

[zenith current]

if they explicitly say so, yes.

[modest escarp]

Yeah tbh that was kind of a weak choice, what would you swap it out with? Bone Curse for Chaos Bolt synergy?

[abstract summit]

weapon prefix is too valuable for that imo

[zenith current]

show me your planner again?

[jade cove]

I personally would choose Manaforged. Just take a look at the new Apocrypha Threshold Passive on Lich. I love some beef on my weapon affixes

[modest escarp]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/pp7ke0q2

[molten bramble]

you are probably right

[abstract summit]

if you need it probably rings

[zenith current]

if youre going cold, thats easy marrow shards

[modest escarp]

Oh ok, so get those Flay nodes?

[zenith current]

ya

[modest escarp]

🙂‍↕️

[abstract summit]

that marrow shard recommendation assumes we alrady sawpped in chaos bolt right?

[zenith current]

I sent this to like 2 other people but seems people are interested in cold hit take, feel free to adjust from this. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPb9N5lQ

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,983, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 605.51, Regen: 22.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 157%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 95 Dex / 46 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 55% / 70% / 73% / 78% / 111% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (380)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,920)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[neon vigil]

Man there is very little in Rip Blood for damage if you're hit based, triggering it, and wanna convert to necrotic

[zenith current]

There is, if you run the booties

[neon vigil]

booties!

what booties

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAcBZwZiA

[neon vigil]

Oh right

[zenith current]

look at that juicy juicy fine print

[neon vigil]

Oh wow those have a low lpl too

[zenith current]

ya this is why im running necrotic over cold xD

[modest escarp]

ooo this is nice, interesting that you are mana stacking but not really int stacking

[neon vigil]

Are you sharing your necrotic build? Because I'm putting one together and trying to see if there's a way to not do mana stacking.. but it looks like mana stacking might be the right way.

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdOkPl9A where I'm at with my necrotic take

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,159, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 630.51, Regen: 22.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 15 Dex / 51 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 78% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,626
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (2,014)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[neon vigil]

oh man

twinsies

aw beans, deadly plot is the mana node, I was hoping it was the melee->spell node

Still cool

[shadow jacinth]

is it worth going for marrow shards crit or should i view it more as just an armor shredder?

[zenith current]

absolutely worth going crit

some shred wont hurt if you can squeeze it in tho

needs probably like +3 or +4 tho

[abstract summit]

why would it be absolutely worth

[shadow jacinth]

yeah, that's what I'm running into, if I want crit and damage against bleeding, I dont have enough for armor shred

[neon vigil]

tons of More multipliers in Marrow Shards tree

and they're huge

but they're all hit based

[zenith current]

@abstract summit in your view, is it better to run necrotic and rip blood with army of skin or cold mourningfrost with marrow shard instead?

[abstract summit]

like lets not make ultiamte statements without numbers 😄

[zenith current]

you were running some math

so i was wondering

i'm not set on one or the other

[abstract summit]

so i dont want to rain on your parades getting excited over cold hence im not just repeating my opinion every 5 minutes when somebody brings it up

but full necro, no mourningfrost looks better on paper

[zenith current]

Thats what i thought

i was just wondering

[abstract summit]

that said cold is also good

[zenith current]

how close is it

[abstract summit]

ehrm hard to say really not like my example mourningfrost setup was giga optimized

[zenith current]

what's your Math™ saying

[abstract summit]

i wanna say within 20-30%ish

[zenith current]

they fixed rip blood having 5 less flat too

:p

[abstract summit]

beeg

[zenith current]

I just like the new booties more, thematically

[neon vigil]

They seem good

[zenith current]

plus ward from rip blood seems nicer than murdering yourself with marrow shards constantly

[modest escarp]

No death seal? It seems too good to ignore

[zenith current]

no space

its good, just no space xd

[modest escarp]

Understood

[neon vigil]

Death Seals CD change is rough too. I think it's still good, but it's a harder pick now.

[abstract summit]

30% uptime

[zenith current]

Yea

its Cooler Flameward™ now

[modest escarp]

Fair enough

god I wish I could practice with these skills now 😭

[abstract summit]

ye that's the other thing, my defenses were basically "trust you will always have enough ward lol"

[zenith current]

@abstract summit im assuming youre not a big fan of the 50% life and ward node

[shadow jacinth]

Death seal feels like a decent, unspecced "break in case of emergency" skill since so many of your specced skills are procced

[abstract summit]

if rip blood ward gen works as somebody promised -wink wink-, that and having your leech should be way comfier

[molten bramble]

Refined a bit more took away a little damage and this set up will allow to cap resists without perfect rolls etc

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe3wbb2o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,148, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,375.36, Regen: 20.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 329%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 13 Dex / 132 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 65% / 65% / 75% / 65% / 150% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 692
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,328)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[jade cove]

I found a minor oversight 😛

[unreal hill]

does cultist's favor reduce the cost of bone curse's mana drain if it's an aura?

[zenith current]

kill me already

[neon vigil]

I just wanna test things before release.

[abstract summit]

is anybody a fan of corrupted form? 😄

[zenith current]

i like being stabbed in the front

[neon vigil]

I WANT to be a fan of corrupted form

[zenith current]

with intense eye contact

[neon vigil]

I think it's a cool change

[modest escarp]

I was gonna ask if Corrupted Form works with Accursed Feast so you get perma-leech?

[zenith current]

do it @jade cove , my body is ready

[jade cove]

You are missing ignite chance somewhere for the last Exult in Misery Multiplier

[neon vigil]

but I think that it needs just a little more. I could see it getting one more line added to the threshold, like "leech now also applies to ward". That could fix it.

[shadow jacinth]

ignite has been the tricky one

[jade cove]

Corrupted Form already gives you overleech, you doin't need accursed feast for that. And yes they work together as well

[zenith current]

Ill make sure to seal ignite with invokers scorching grasp 😛

[molten bramble]

Just use an idol

[jade cove]

It is NOT tricky at all, peopel just think too complicated xD

There are these tiny square shapes you know

[zenith current]

why idol if you can do https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AOwTmQ

[abstract summit]

I think i forgor about mark of death in my excel 😄

[zenith current]

It's swaggier

[molten bramble]

It was good enough for a ball park and I am sure you missed some interactions so it can only be better

[modest escarp]

Corrupted Form is why I wanted Death Seal, since (if I'm understanding correctly) it makes you more vulnerable to one shots

[neon vigil]

Huh, actually, it's been a while since I did a ward build. Last season, if you had 2k max health, how much ward could you expect to reasonably sustain if you were pure ward?

[jade cove]

That is indeed swaggier^^ I like it

[jade cove]

Yes correct Corrupted form lowers your eHP vs singular hits. If you are planning on using that, don't stress yourself talking it too early, its fine if you take that late in character progression.

[old hull]

It only very slightly lowers your EHP (once you have all 5 pts in)

[abstract summit]

oh wait

we have a lot more damage 😄

i fooked up

[molten bramble]

I think it is the opposite, take it early 5 points for 30% increased life is huge then ditch it late game.

[modest escarp]

I missed the last season (maybe 2? I remember harbingers but not Weaver stuff), what is this if I may ask?

[molten bramble]

You also can take low life nodes to help dmg early

[zenith current]

So you can smash set items into affixes and theyll work like that set item, the affixes with exceptions are not that potent but its nice if you wanan run an exalted item over a set item

[jade cove]

I should really run some contest or giveaway for people to send me planners and the ones closest to my planned setup gets something lol

[abstract summit]

SORRY BWZ

[zenith current]

I already wonnered

[abstract summit]

😄

[molten bramble]

is that 6 mil

[abstract summit]

ye

[molten bramble]

not bad

[abstract summit]

i mixed up necro and cold pen lol

[zenith current]

Wait what

[abstract summit]

so the previous necro damage was with zero pen

[zenith current]

Lol

[old hull]

gotta turn on them thousands separators

[abstract summit]

tbf i was saying "between 5 and 10M" leaving room for exactly a fup like this

[zenith current]

Is that good?

that sounds like "good but not OP" range

[old hull]

Yeah, it's this

[molten bramble]

I think it will be close to VK ES

of last patch

[abstract summit]

just 100 hits instead of 3x2 mils

[grim rune]

this is necro?

[abstract summit]

it's numbers for Bwz's planner ye

[grim rune]

daymj

[old hull]

My very unoptimized rogues last patch were 5M dps, which worked out totally fine, easy Abby kill etc., but probably rough uber kill (I never bothered)

Just for ref

[zenith current]

@abstract summit would you prioritize Mana t7's over necrotic damage?

[hidden sable]

do you have a build planner with what your cooking

[molten bramble]

Yeah each 100 mana is another CB

[abstract summit]

5M dummy or vs lvl100 tho

[molten bramble]

and each 100 mana is another 20% more multi

[abstract summit]

cause that 6M is already with the 87% DR vs lvl100

[zenith current]

what about over crit multi t7?

[molten bramble]

It is looking like a sub 1 min uberoth kill

[old hull]

Ah okay, then yeah you're right, it's closer to ES, I always use dummy numbers

[abstract summit]

ye i do both so we can compare against a "real life" situation

[jade cove]

To be fair its a more multi additive with each other. Past 1000 Mana its "only" 6.667% more damage anymore. Not sure how much mana your planner had.

[abstract summit]

the number above it is 47M 😄

[hidden sable]

do you have a planner

[molten bramble]

true

[modest escarp]

Ah ok, so you'd add the ignite on hit onto another item? You smash the resulting affix into a legendary or what?

[old hull]

Yeah, only reason I ever use the "real" number is if I want to calc uber TTK

[molten bramble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe3wbb2o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,148, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,375.36, Regen: 20.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 329%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 13 Dex / 132 Int / 13 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 65% / 65% / 75% / 65% / 150% / 104%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 692
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (71)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,328)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Flay / Chaos Bolts / Reaper Form / Harvest

[grim rune]

I still think for end setup sweet spot will be around 1200 mana

[jade cove]

I do, but nobody will get it unti la few days after release, I don't want to steer people creativity into directions 😛

[zenith current]

you just smash a set item into an affix of that item and you can craft it onto an item normally afterward

aight

i adjusted my take

[abstract summit]

@molten bramble i didnt check crit numbers tho, but I assume you capped with the chest affix?

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGWy5nzB l33t mana

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,159, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,158.51, Regen: 22.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 126%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 15 Dex / 43 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 78% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 1,626
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (2,014)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[jade cove]

Ok, if I would reveal one singular stat on my planner, what would people want to know (except dps). I am curious what people are most interested in

[zenith current]

dps

:^)

[molten bramble]

crit is capped with perf base crit rolls and near max chest affix roll

[abstract summit]

pog

okay

[molten bramble]

with harvest and reaper form crit aswell

[abstract summit]

now go and make a video about it before somebody else does 😄

[zenith current]

bahaha

[molten bramble]

too much work

I am sure someone from maxroll will have something similar

[zenith current]

what's this referring to?

[modest escarp]

@zenith current so for the necrotic build, the key is you're also including rip blood triggered by CB (since it also benefits from mana stacking using Army of Skin boots), and rip blood can't be converted to cold, and you can skip dex stacking?

[abstract summit]

what did you leave out for bone curse 😄

[zenith current]

That and rip blood triggered from boots gets the mana scaling

[modest escarp]

Yeah

So even though you're not stacking dex, you want the Harvest trigger from CB?

[zenith current]

yea you dont need a lot

[jade cove]

Compared to which build?

[abstract summit]

when you have 90 rolls 16% is kinda enough lol

[zenith current]

with like 10+ chaos bolts per flay, youll be fine on harvest triggers

[modest escarp]

Oh fair

[molten bramble]

blood rip is not the main dmg source but it is the main ward gen source. the issue with cold is that you are missing alot of scaling from weapon slams and pen in the tree and it is kinda awkward to get cold shred and mana and dex there are just too many competing things for the build

[modest escarp]

That's very fair Bwz

[molten bramble]

so we lean into necrotic and scale with mana and int on CB and int scales ward gen from blood rip

[abstract summit]

ye the 24 necro pen in the tree is actually huge

[modest escarp]

Mantle of the Pale Ox really is worth it with an unspec'd golem, or is it getting the skeletons from Army of Skin?

[zenith current]

how much int you think i should be looking at

[molten bramble]

and we rely on blood rip, plus passive talent ward gen with alot of DR mods for defense

[abstract summit]

like, ~15% free damage from that passive alone

[modest escarp]

No Corrupted Form/Accursed Feast?

[molten bramble]

it caps your ward

[zenith current]

Wait

[molten bramble]

while fighting a single target and stable ward was calc'd at 10k

[zenith current]

Does skele summon from boots

count as a minion skill for Dark Rituals ?(Acolyte?)

[abstract summit]

different node

i would actually take it personally, big leech

[jade cove]

Very likely not but you should double check with the devs

Should be easy to check ingame as well once the patch drops

[fast spire]

Dodge chance :^)

[modest escarp]

How juicy do you need to be to get there though? Having crazy leech, and overleech, the Ward is sort of a backup I guess? I couldn't be less informed about this, I'm just parroting what others have said and am curious for alternate viewpoints

[fast spire]

I wish I had an actual answer for your question

[molten bramble]

not at all most of the ward gen is through the base blood rip tree talents int scaling does help but you can probably get to 6k+ with crap gear

[modest escarp]

Corrupted Form does if you hit the 5/5 threshold, Accursed Feast is +leech but leech stops at 66% (no downside w/ Corrupted Form)

@molten bramble Do you plan to start with this build? If so, what do you plan to level as?

[molten bramble]

Corrupted form caps your ward at half your hp total

[modest escarp]

Yeah I was responding to @abstract summit they may have been confused which node we were discussing

[abstract summit]

ye im just agreeing with you Dread 😄

no to corupted form, yes to accursed

[molten bramble]

I am planning on starting this

[modest escarp]

Dope

[molten bramble]

unless something more interesting come along

[modest escarp]

Fair

Without the boots, would you spec a different skill than blood rip? (I have no idea how hard they are to get)

[molten bramble]

no blood rip spec'd is integral to ward gen

[jade cove]

I actually lol'ed IRL I find this funny so I will give you an answer

[abstract summit]

im thinking accursed feast would be enough leech to allow some points in unclosing wounds

[gaunt abyss]

anyone know if the CB that flay can proc will be regual CB or they will be affected by ythe skill tree?

[jade cove]

With Seed of Chaos you mean? Those will be "whole casts" of Chaos Bolt

[molten bramble]

it will be affected by the skill tree of CB as well as the deadly plot node in flay

[gaunt abyss]

noice, thanks!!
can have flay proc CB and CB will proc rip blood and harvest 😛

[jade cove]

That works with the singular Chaos Bolt projectiles from Flay already

[unreal hill]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/1j7hq0gw
took your advice and looked thru the nodes so it'd at least look finished heavy.
Open to feedback if anyone wants to take a look.

[modest escarp]

@jade cove the Seed of Chaos casts also get the Flay mana stack bonus?

[gaunt abyss]

this

[jade cove]

Those are still affected by Chaos Bolts Skill Spec Tree, but they ignore modifiers to projectile counts and are not considerd a "cast"

[jade cove]

No

[modest escarp]

That benefits from the tree, but not the nodes that refer to "casting" Chaos Bolts because it isn't a cast. Seeds of Chaos (a CB node that procs full casts) do benefit from cast nodes and multiproj, but they do NOT get the spell dmg bonus from Flay

[molten bramble]

probably drop the node then it probably consumes more mana than it is worth

[gaunt abyss]

so for exmaple it will ignore this node?

[modest escarp]

Do all these flay builds require uniques that would make MG make more sense than CoF, acquisition-wise?

[modest escarp]

Yes

[jade cove]

Yes correct

[molten bramble]

I am pretty much a CoF player and I do not think the gear would be hard to get

[abstract summit]

ye pretty standard tbh

as far as end game planners go

[modest escarp]

I appreciate that none of the uniques seem to enable the build as much as make it much better

[jade cove]

Also while we are at it. Destructive Intensity will not work with triggered CB from Flay (the Crit stacking node in Chaos Bolt)

[gaunt abyss]

as you need to directly cast them?

[modest escarp]

Yes

@molten bramble where are you getting bleed for Exult in Misery?

[gaunt abyss]

wonder if it possible to play lich as a league starter

[jade cove]

Oh yeah I agree. This one was very different from a design perspective for me though compared to my first one (Death's Embrace).
While both don't really enable anything Death's Embrace could be outclassed by very good exalted items (I hate absolute BiS items for the most part).

With Tithe we have a clear BiS item for that particular playstyle, but because of the Dual Wield capabilities I was ok with that because at least with the Off-Hand people can get creative. Even though 95% of builds will probably play the same Off-Hand.

But it was a rough call if I wanted to ship this in this state or not, but I decided to go for it and lets see.

[dark inlet]

I'm not them, but there's a dual Bleed+Frostbite node in Lich passives that seems pretty handy

[jade cove]

But yeah the build is absolutely playable (and strong) even without Tithe

[molten bramble]

bleed from harvest

[jade cove]

Fun Fact Wands reduce Flay's Mana Cost (because it has a spell Tag). So before Tithe a Wand + Axe or Dagger works wonders for mana sustain

[abstract summit]

i wonder if we could use immolator oblation with the DOT skips ward and with giga leech nodes

the spell damage would apply to triggered skills as well right?

[jade cove]

Yes totally in basically all of the different variations. Lich gets so much power just from passives and a few basic base types even without a single uniques or exalt you can reach way past empowered

[molten bramble]

belt looks good

imolaters

[modest escarp]

@molten bramble this is a good point, you've got 28% for frostbite and bleed on hit, do you need to cold convert CB or could you get the ignite by leaving those nodes alone?

[jade cove]

Yes

[abstract summit]

it would be 40 fire and 40 necro for CBs?

[jade cove]

Yes 50/50 split based on your current CB conversion

[modest escarp]

I'm just looking at his tree in particular

[molten bramble]

it is an option you get a small chance of double dmg with chance of snow and the freeze could be nice but you can remove and just make it necro fire

I considered it

[modest escarp]

You could move the points to get Damned % that way too

(although do you also just get that from Acolyte tree?)

[molten bramble]

You get damned from warlock tree

[modest escarp]

ahhhh since you're not converting from necro

[molten bramble]

but there might be a case for keeping it fire to stack more ignite

[modest escarp]

you could even spec out of the ignite nodes if you leeave it fire

yeah

[molten bramble]

the ignite dmg might be more than the cold conver

[modest escarp]

do ailments at all benefit from like spell dmg/the damage of the hit generating it?

[jade cove]

not at all

[molten bramble]

no they do benefit from int though

[abstract summit]

so if the 40 spell damage from belt is 20 fire / 20 necro then belt is a 7.5% upgrade. if it's 40/40 even more

[jade cove]

Every damaging ailment has its own base damage. However an ailment inherents any damage bonus that is not specifically "hit damage" from the skill spec tree and attribute scaling of the skill that applied it.

e.g. if you have 200% Inc damage from Int and 20% More damage from teh skill spec tree, those would apply to any damaging ailment that skill would apply.

Ailmetns also inherent penetration from skill spec trees if they don't specifcy "hit"

[molten bramble]

Its adaptive spell dmg

[abstract summit]

ye 7.5% more on CB procs then still, assuming you can sustain them

[molten bramble]

I might be wrong but I think it would just be 40 necrotic/0fire

I think adaptive dmg moves to whatever is highest dmg

[abstract summit]

oh that would be even better

[modest escarp]

so Deadly Plot doesn't say anything about hits

so if CB has the bonus from Deadly Plot, would its ignite inherit that?

[molten bramble]

no

[modest escarp]

even though it's a More?

[jade cove]

its splits, it doesn't apply fully to each

[molten bramble]

deadly plot is specificaly spell dmg

[jade cove]

if you have a tri elemental spell its parted into 3

[modest escarp]

Oh oh ok

It has to be completely generic damage

[jade cove]

yeah it can't specifcy hits, spells, melee, bow (or any other type)

There are also things that grant %more damage over time, those would work for ailments

[modest escarp]

Yeah, I was just wondering whether Ignite from CB (for the necro flay mana stacker build specifically) would be worth getting more in, or if the points would be better elsewhere (if the Ignite doesn't inherit much damage)

[molten bramble]

immolators is actually huge dmg gives us frenzy too

[modest escarp]

(I know I've asked one trillion mostly-dumb/mostly-ignorant questions, I am very grateful for all the help given) LAst question: is there any sense in practicing leveling an Acolyte (at least till 45 where I'd get reap) or are the skills too revamped for it to make sense rn? I'm Jonesing to play lmao

[abstract summit]

have it from nihilis anyway

just dodge my man 😄

[modest escarp]

Sorry what are Immolators?

[jade cove]

I cannot answer any questions related to ailments or damage over time regarding build viability. I just despise ailment builds I never touch them.

But as a general rule CB is very good for any ailment build, because it is the skil that causes the msot amounts of hits currently in the game. And attack/cast speed and hits/sec are the two biggest scalign vectors for ailment builds

[jade cove]

ITS EVADE not dodge

[abstract summit]

i will ignore that

[molten bramble]

its a belt immolator's oblation from the fire dungeon

pretty good with the build for getting more flat spell dmg

[jade cove]

I don't care, I hate when people use terms interchangeably, when the other terms already has a other function in the game 😛 😉

[molten bramble]

I practice leveling just to get in and get used to the mechanics. I think my go to will be warlock into respec lich with flay

[abstract summit]

so frenzy + max stack immolator together is +15% more dam

reaching 7M with it lol

just on CB procs

[modest escarp]

Why warlock?

Also you can respec your specialization?

[abstract summit]

but you rly need the leech and DOT mitigation for it me thinks

we will see tho I guess

[jade cove]

Very passive point heavy, but you can combine that with Decaying Form, that would be 1% less dmg from ignite/point up to 10%

minimum 6 points

[abstract summit]

ye we def have the tools to mitigate it just need to balance it out on live but imo it should be doable

[molten bramble]

fissure is just really good for blitzing the capaign. fissure and 1 spirit plague clear and just keep running

[molten bramble]

yeah as of S2 they allow you to respec for gold. It can be a little expensive but if you do it around lvl 50 you will be fine

[modest escarp]

Oh sick! Yeah I've played Warlock with Fissure before

[tender ridge]

i'm still undecided on what to play tbh. my first character I got to lvl 95+ was a necrodot lich back before multiplayer got added in EA lol

kinda want to revist it

[abstract summit]

man i lost all motivation for doing the frostbite build now

this is too good 😄

i still want to see how the servers deal with 100 procs a second but well

[modest escarp]

the necro version?

[gaunt abyss]

i dont like this.
its nice that if you have lvl 100 and you done every veraity with lets say warclock to respec to necro/lich.
but doing it at lvl 50? not gonna go for it. also ppl suddenly dont have the gold to respec and then getting stuck on spelazetion they dont wonna play

[abstract summit]

ye that's the one we are optimizing still. cold space could def still be pushed a lot further if somebody feels strongly

[molten bramble]

This happened at the start of S2 but then they reduced the cost

if you do not blow all your gold buying stuff you will be fine

[abstract summit]

look at these mages with their puny sub 50M theoirycrafts tsk tsk tsk (/s)

[gaunt abyss]

the system there, ppl are free to use it.
not my thing, im gonna play lich from the start, dosent matter if its good starter or not

[fast spire]

Yeah i always start with what I'm gonna play, even if its less efficient.

[gaunt abyss]

also help to learn the class

[modest escarp]

We'll see how the new Blood Rip feels when the season actually launches, I think respec'ing from something that is known to level quickly isn't the worst idea, but I can also see the pleasure in seeing even a suboptimal start grow into its own power

[molten bramble]

might be easier with AOE rip blood spam but lich has had hard leveling in the past

[fast spire]

I leveled lich SSF in season 2; while it's nothing to really speak of, it can do it just fine. Just a little slow.

At least, running it melee lmfao

It was not the most fun ive had in LE, to be clear

[molten bramble]

I am just going to warlock it to 50 and then start playing with either flay or rip blood if flay needs more gear to get off the ground

[fast spire]

But it should be better this time 🙂

[abstract summit]

if anything the baseline experience of flay was probably tested a lot during CT, new skills usually shine

i trust

[fast spire]

I'm not sure exactly what I'm gonna do yet. When I get some time, I'm gonna throw a couple skill and passive setups together and see what I like

[modest escarp]

(What is CT?)

[molten bramble]

yeah at 50 i can build flay CB with CB procs cant be too bad when your 1 ability does 5 things

[molten bramble]

probably closed testing

[fast spire]

Closed Testing maybe?

[molten bramble]

I guess I could try to cook a lvl 50 transition planner

[modest escarp]

That would be awesome!

[abstract summit]

did you lose some mana somewhere because of crit between the first and this last planner?

[molten bramble]

I did drop a little from swaping gloves and we lost 20 mana from int on belt swaping to immolators

[abstract summit]

ye i recalcualted it because of that and then saw we lost 4 procs. then i did it with base number and still lost 4 procs

so the gloves lost 4 procs, just fyi

[molten bramble]

4 procs?

shouldnt be that much

[abstract summit]

or i miscalced the original number lol

[molten bramble]

its 1654 + 200 from relic that is not calc'ing in

20 mana does not loose 400 mana of procs

[abstract summit]

#💀┃acolyte messagehad 1700 originally?

ah ye the 200 from relic, ye that's what i was missing

ye -1 proc, barely, but like these are max numbers everywhere so in real life just need to keep an eye on the thresholds

[molten bramble]

I mean not all the gear will be perfect so you are going to have to roll with the cap you have

[abstract summit]

ye

even if you lose a proc it's 7% more so always worth

[molten bramble]

but the ceiling is there if we can get close I think it will be good

the extra 40 necrotic dmg is huge

[abstract summit]

this is with just 20, Hevy is convinced it would be split between frie and necro

[molten bramble]

I think a 50 build for flay lich would look something like this

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJd4KbMo

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (38) / Warlock (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,474, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 12 Int / 2 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 10% / 0% / 74% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 442

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[molten bramble]

This is just the basic framework but feel free to go for more dex or int nodes in the passive tree if that feels better over the increase dmg nodes

we need some amount of int and dex to proc stuff and dex does give alot of flat damage to flay and harvest

[zenith current]

aight, i think i pushed this build as far as I can

@abstract summit You wouldnt happen to know if playing around Scornful blood (and by that I mean, Drain Life and stack leech %) is any good?

[limber berry]

is RF viable without death seal?\

I haven't played much acolyte so genuinely curious

because I always see RF+Death Seal together because of the low-life nonsense

oh wait, you do have DS, just not specced

disregard

[molten bramble]

They changed deathseal alot it is more of a defensive button now and you can skip it

[little wigeon]

what was the cost again to change mastery at like lvl 50?

was it really just 30k?

[molten bramble]

let me tell you i have a recently lvl 50 char

[little wigeon]

if so yea thats a no brainer just do fissure warlock right? lol

[molten bramble]

at exactly lvl 50 it is ~50k gold and I have accrued 77k gold

[hidden sable]

no you'd just lich the whole way through no reason to warlock

[molten bramble]

Just dont go spam buying runes or something

[little wigeon]

yea i never do lol getting so many shatters in monos

[abstract summit]

i only explored that to see how much increased you can get from hollow lich, but no clue if scornful itself is any good (or how does it even work)

[little wigeon]

lol if respec is pretty free, fissure is just ez mode and warlock only

[hidden sable]

but lich is ez mode

[molten bramble]

maybe we are not really sure how good rip blood will be, it is hard to beat fissure and run though

rather than sitting and casting

[little wigeon]

what do you run on lich? spirit plauge stuff?

[hidden sable]

fissure is really kinda shit untill you path all the way to the left bottom and unlock instant infernal shade popping

[hidden sable]

infernal shade

[molten bramble]

lvls 20-40 you can just drop a fissure and a couple spirit plagues and it will kill the whole screen

[hidden sable]

lvls 20-60 you cast infernal shade and run past everything

[little wigeon]

i honestly havent messed with infernal shade how do you run it

[hidden sable]

its very cozy the elemental damage = leech gloves keep you 100% topped off you dont really need to look at res

[vivid ruin]

You lads discussing best lich leveling?

I'm curious. I think I leveled poison once I had aod last time I played lich, but I was playing poison so wanted to be in spec. It was fine without being great. I'm curious what the consensus best leveling spec is.

[little wigeon]

im doing a dry run right now so just messing around. i can see the rip blood improvement will be big, holy the single target sucks haha

[tall mural]

Do we have confirmation of how Scornful blood works?

like is it how much we would leech or % hp

[abstract summit]

thiunk i saw some convos on it in ask the devs but we were kinda busy figuring out crit flay

[vivid ruin]

Can full frostbite conv on everything level well? How quick can we get the frostbite boots relaibly?

Just to be sure, attack speed nodes dont matter for skills that are proc'd by others skills do they?

[abstract summit]

no but it matters a lot for flay

dont know about levelling but i might do FB early empowereds while gathering the gear, it should work pretty well with exalts and some int/mana stacking

[little wigeon]

yea im sure alot of stuff will work around lvl 50, im more looking at pre 50

so far just doing rip blood with splatter and bone curse then ill try out the infernal shade i suppose at 20

[shadow jacinth]

Do we have to use axe or dagger for flay? Like is there some jank where we mana stack with World Splitter pure melee?

[little wigeon]

well the mana stack is for the spells, mainly CB and the unique axe is huge for flat spell

if you are focusing on melee dont really need to mana stack

[shadow jacinth]

I mean, this is jank, but the mana stack works for flay as well

[little wigeon]

flay melee gets dmg from mana?

[little wigeon]

oh i guess the spell explosion from flay, but thats still not melee

[shadow jacinth]

oh, I'm the one that cant read

mb

I saw flay but missed spell

[little wigeon]

all good happens to me all the time

[tender ridge]

it's cool that there's more support for mana stacking on acolyte

Hungering Souls has had the spell damage node forever

[abstract summit]

fairly sure you could do pure melee and make it okay, and treat the spell procs as gravy. it wouldnt even be bad, just not uber category of build cause most of the late game scaling comes from the CB procs, not from melee slashes

you would need a lot of flat on the melee skills to make them viable so gotta stack some dex

[shadow jacinth]

yeah no, the entire idea revolved around me not seeing that the flay mana stacking only effects spell damage

[abstract summit]

ye that's why the CB procs are big dam, you scale both their occurence and their damage with one stat

[umbral crag]

anyone know how the lich passive 'scornful blood' work exactly?

[tall mural]

apparently we are still waiting on clarification on that

[umbral crag]

yeah

[old hull]

You get leech stacks -> they work kinda like a DOT aura

[umbral crag]

is it multiplicative then? that sounds insane

[old hull]

Kinda yes, if you can work them into your build, you can think of it like a more multiplier to your damage

[tall mural]

right but what determines the damage in the first place? Is it how much we are leeching or just set per stack?

[old hull]

How much you leech

[umbral crag]

actual damage and percentage of it i guess?

[abstract summit]

Ehrm, you can have 20% spell leech hello? EHG? 😄

[old hull]

So if you hit an enemy for 100 damage and have 10% leech, you get a stack of leech on you for 10 health over 3 seconds

instead of giving you health, it deals 10 damage over 3 seconds

[tall mural]

Where was that confirmed because I havent seen anything on it

[abstract summit]

Is there a cap on number of active leech/dots

[old hull]

no

but you do lose all leech stacks if you are at full health, regardless of whether leech heals you

[abstract summit]

Ok so it's literally a 20% more damage on the crit flay build from a 3rd column passive

[old hull]

so you have to take corrupted form so you don't hit full or run a low life build

[abstract summit]

Thjnk ll is a given there

Cause you wont run reaper

That sounds overtuned af ngl

Think we were approaching 70M dummy, so would be extra 10-15M lol

[dark inlet]

luckily shouldn't be too hard to avoid with Current Health drain stuff

[old hull]

Depends, player recovery is really strong - but you need some way to recover, just make sure it doesn't end your leech

[tall mural]

I mean, Bed of Souls is pretty baller

[shadow jacinth]

as a whole the lich tree seems to want you to run a low life ward build

[abstract summit]

ye you jsut go the 1 HP, take all drain life and ward gen based on missing health things and your leech will never end

now if your ward runs out you ded, but well 😄

[tall mural]

You could just go Full AS harvest Int stacking and brute force your heals

[old hull]

This is as close as we have atm. Since it doesn't specify any changes to the magnitude of the leech, I am assuming it is unchanged. The reason Mike thinks it sounds really high is because he listed a full second of damage as the 1/4 second tick damage, really it should be 30,000 every 0.25s total for that hypothetical.

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[abstract summit]

hol up

it's the total leech amount EVERY tick?

[tall mural]

it's every .25s so yeah

[old hull]

Each leech instance probably ticks independently, similar to how they do when they recover your health, but yeah the combined effect is all of them going

[abstract summit]

ye they didnt think that one through lol

[old hull]

It definitely seems like a big multiplier for single target if all that is true

[old hull]

idk if it's totally busted, how much % leech are you getting in your setup?

[abstract summit]

you have 19.92% spell leech de facto onl in the passive tree unless im misunderstanding sthing

[old hull]

Okay, so like 20% more damage at the cost of not being able to use the most powerful sustain tool in game

[abstract summit]

i mean yes, but also it frees you up to do the second most powerful instead which is readily available tho

[old hull]

strong for sure, idk how it will feel on clear since real leech is capped by enemy health

[abstract summit]

like im not saying it's free but it's also not hard to solve. and it just makes the choice for you by being the biggest damage passive in the entire tree

my other problem is that it's silently being the biggest damage node in the tree

[molten bramble]

I am sure if it is good then you can just adapt the build around it but if it is this strong I feel like they wouldnt let it through closed testing

[abstract summit]

for the most part you just change a chest armor kinda

and some passives, but that's just gold respec

[old hull]

Fair, I guess remains to be seen how it feels in game

you also do need to stick pretty close to your target for it to work

[abstract summit]

i mean ye, we only have flay in our minds rn 😄

[tall mural]

Yeah we dont know the range do we?

[kind forge]

conflicted over starting lich or starting primalist lel

[old hull]

It says 6m

[kind forge]

6 m&ms? 6 matresses? owo

[old hull]

lol

[kind forge]

xD

[tall mural]

I somehow totaly missed that

[rare quail]

nearby

[kind forge]

oh no not the nearby ptsd

[old hull]

50% longer range than bastion

aka old bastion's range

[tall mural]

That only tells me something if I knew what that looked like before

[kind forge]

lol

[old hull]

I think 6m radius is the ring around a dummy

[tall mural]

I'd have to go into game to see it

[kind forge]

or i could necro ... heck now even more conflicted

i still wanna know what they did with falcon

cuz falcon had the passive and agressive passive but now that is just a core mechanic to the game

so what happened to those 2 passives

[shadow jacinth]

do we know what happens if someone were to hit 100% current health drained per second? or do the effects not add like that?

[old hull]

4m is the bastion ring, 6m is 50% more radius (the 6m circle is not as exact as 4m)

so the outer red circle is about the range of that scornful blood

[kind forge]

instant death kekw

also its per second so it would just be massive drain

[old hull]

It's applied more discretely than that, so I imagine that applies more like 25% of current health every 0.25s

[kind forge]

ye whatever the server tickrate is

[tall mural]

I mean, that's not that bad of a range really, would overlap pretty well with AoD

[old hull]

Yeah agreed

or if you're a melee build anyway, it's no big deal as long as you don't need to run away like to dodge timeshattering slam

[autumn bough]

This game is sucha joke this patch xdd

[dark inlet]

my guess (which I could be wrong about) is the effects aren't additive but each apply separately, so if you had a 10% and a 10% and started at full health, you'd go to 90%, then 81%. obviously some tick rate stuff in the mix too, but you get the idea.

[dark inlet]

idk, this patch seems pretty sick, a lot of fun build brewing to do between Flay and primordials

[autumn bough]

A lot of fun untill u start minmaxing minions xdddd

[dark inlet]

I'm not a minions kind of person 🤷

[left whale]

Cant wait to do abomination build

[old hull]

New abom looks like a lot of fun. I am just too distracted by silly lich mechanics first lol. If sillier bear mechanics don't work I'll start as lich and then do abom next probably.

[wintry flame]

I haven’t even dived into Lich shenanigans does the death seal death wave minion node stack?

[shadow jacinth]

wdym?

[dark inlet]

Is there any scenario where having 95% reduced health cost for skills would be particularly useful? https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AOzBMQ was looking at T8 affixes

[hidden sable]

very weird edge cases like if you were running Xithara's Conundrum, while also having full damage increased marrow shards being autobombed from something

[kind forge]

ye could be better but it could be alot worse

[hidden sable]

that way your rip bloods would be able to refill the health used by the marrow shards

and return the 30% more multi before you cast something else

[kind forge]

need to see rip blood too now lel

[old hull]

I think death seal minion was killed by the changes, uptime is terrible at 3s duration 10s cooldown base

oh you mean the new node

[dark inlet]

yeah, feels like at least a good foundation for next patch to make some tweaks from (and ofc rework some things like shaman, forge guard, and bladedancer)

like I think they should do a pass on T8s and tweak ones that are underwhelming since it occupies such a high competition slot.

and probably some more skill tweaks on acolyte (but we'll see how things play out) like Harvest

[old hull]

I guess still similar rules apply, no clue if it stacks, 50% sounds like too high for a stacking buff

[calm dome]

I know I'm gonna do some flavor of Lich Corrupted Form hybrid build but idk where to go from there. All I know is I like the thought of overleech and corrupted form+accursed feast as the framework to work with

[kind forge]

riiiiiip

they removed one level from symbol of loss

[vivid ruin]

For leech conv lovers. T7 leech suffix on gloves is 100% leech rate O.O

2% base leech on 1x3 idols too.

[shadow jacinth]

I presume that just makes the leech run over 1.5 secs instead of 3?

[tall mural]

Would that even matter, it still only does the dmg tic every .25

[shadow jacinth]

I would then presume it basically doubles the damage per tick

[vivid ruin]

Oh, my bad. I misread rate to mean more leech.

If it's the same damage but faster, probs not overly good.

[tall mural]

Maybe? There's a lot up in the air still

But that would make sense

[vivid ruin]

Yep. lots of ?'s

[unreal hill]

Leech rate means you heal faster.
So your sustain is higher, if shorter.

[vivid ruin]

Yep.

1x3 idols do 2% damage leeched while trans.

To push numbers.

But not sure if sacrificing 1x2's and 1x1's is worth it.

[tall mural]

That's what, 12% dmg per idol?

[azure dawn]

someone give me a tldr of lich for next week? god or bad?

[tall mural]

Everything is bad, no one can defeat the server boss

Im wondering if we can get enough dmg on rip blood to just have one cast chain kill everything on screen

[vivid ruin]

I refuse to manually cast rip blood,

[vivid ruin]

I assume this number gets 66% from the passive too, so 19%.

Moreif using the prim relic, which I think is best for my lich spec regardless of what idol I use.

[slim mason]

Does the primordial gloves convert aod poison chance to bleed?

[hidden sable]

Its very good

[slim mason]

So we are walking Ebola aura

[hidden sable]

the early game clunk of acolyte is going to be solved and the endgame scaling is going to be a bit higher

[slim mason]

Early chunk acol is gonna be ws/hs or skells

Primal early chunk is gonna be choNky always

[languid lintel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVKPkeOQ

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Lich (18) / Warlock (63)

General:

▸ Health: 3,654, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 160.51, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 72%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 16 Dex / 36 Int / 10 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 45% / 120% / 83% / 77% / 128% / 47%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 731
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (152)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,542)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Chthonic Fissure / Bone Curse / Transplant / Rip Blood

[languid lintel]

What u guys think? Its dr3ad build, just imported to LEplanner

1500% bleed chance

[hidden sable]

I think its a cool build, the movement speed is really slow compared to what im doing

[languid lintel]

He focused on T7 health instead of T7 mov on boots, but yeah. Little slow. Maybe a better boss killer

Guess it's pretty strong for arena as well

[slim mason]

That's my starting point for my vampire flllayer

But I use flay instead of fissure

[fathom otter]

So lich instead of warlock

[keen terrace]

Hi

[topaz marlin]

so how does the "no snapshotting" change builds?

[slim mason]

That's the plan yes

[vapid kindle]

almost all of the builds that could snapshot got overcompensated with enormous buffs so, positively

[topaz marlin]

aah nice! I always imagined snapshotting benefitted minions, then can have better defense eq after minions are summoned

but now u gotta fit both minion stats and defense stats in to one eq?

[vapid kindle]

yes, but most minions were made to be nigh unkillable without snapshot now so for most minions you don't need to invest a lot in their survivability

[topaz marlin]

but I do realise snapshotting idols and the such are alil pita

[vapid kindle]

also, necromancer and beastmaster got a ton of new passives that have a ton of defensive value which offsets that a lot

[topaz marlin]

ah tru, with the buff to "less dmg taken"

but wat about like "% increased minion damage"

well we'll find out soon

I was just wondering if Necros should be focusing more self-defensive layers vs. looking for increase in minion dmg

I'd imagine u'd be looking for less of "%minion health"?

[old hull]

The self-inflicted ailment definitely, idk how it works for ones on enemies

[abstract summit]

Why do i see primalist and mage frostbite builds slam exalted armor shred affixes? What am i missing?

[old hull]

Mage frostbite uses armor shred to frostbite conversion, primalist shouldn't

[abstract summit]

Okay so i dont need it on aco, thx

[slim mason]

That's what I want to know...Cos walking around as a Ebola is my end goal

[old hull]

What does infernal shade do for the build?

[slim mason]

More ignite think on pop

Dread does go into detail

[old hull]

Seems like clearing would be terrible on the build, all its damage scaling is on tether only basically unless I'm missing something

[slim mason]

Hence why I went with full screen rip blood

Lol makes life easiee

[old hull]

Yeah I'd rather do that also lol

[slim mason]

Time to burn my GPU down again

Lol

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYj9RE4A

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (34) / Necromancer (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,119, Regen: 162.3/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 22 Dex / 170 Int / 22 Att / 47 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 82% / 89% / 99% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 232%, Threshold: 834
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (120)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,866)
▸ Block Chance: 101%, Mitigation: 33% (850)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[left whale]

Made a minion build

U got both defensive layer and lotta minion dmg.
Hopefully it turns out the way I think will turn out when i make it in game

[slim mason]

Think bm more on most people list then nec

[abstract summit]

whats hot on BM

[vapid kindle]

bear.

crows are still op too

[abstract summit]

noice. might do my first BM after lich 😄

[forest mica]

#❔┃ask-the-community message
@obtuse quest @arctic grotto @gaunt abyss Do you know how to judge which one is better without actual experiments, flat melee damage or level bonus + more damage + more intelligence? 🙏

[limber berry]

I might actually play BM this next season to try it out, since you don't have to snapshot lol

[vapid kindle]

you don't need to rn tbh

[limber berry]

one thing I was kind of sad about for snapshotting.
I was thinking of doing a Manifest Armor build, and you can snapshot all of your gear onto him, and then swap off.

It gave me D2 Iron Golem vibes and sounded really cool, like setting up neat manifest armor/follower.
And maybe using the Tyrant's relic, or hell, even using another primordial to spawn it in with some juiced stat sounded really cool

But now it's dead 🙁 lol

[vapid kindle]

i like snapshotting personally but i'm aware i'm in the very small minority with that opinion so i'm ok with it getting removed, especially now with builds like bear becoming mega op

[old hull]

Yup, imo if they want a mechanic like that they should just give us another equipment window where we can equip "armor golem's" equipment separately from ours