📚┃off-topic

[fierce moth]

I need to figure out how to update tonight

It's odd that I can't log in Poe account by my steam account on mobile

:(
Then I doubt it's something Tencent did to force Chinese must play Chinese version

All of my data in international version, they can't move to Chinese version is the issue

It's no sense that you spent money but you can't play the game just because this game have different versions

The player support of Tencent is shxt because only bots here, you can't find real people if you need any help... The company just overwhelming on the scale to care single player.

Too much people want to give Tencent money 🤷‍♀️

Your voice can't be heard at all unless you're a influencer.

🙃 It's one of reasons why I always want more influence indeed.

[blissful token]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[fierce moth]

Wait I even don't know what the name of official bilibili account is if GGG have one 😅

Oh I find that now. Hhhhhhh the status of their official account is as similar as EHG. Poor influence and too quiet.

[gilded elm]

As I understand it, in China, it is required to have an authorized Chinese company publish games. I assume that means Tencent handles most of the promotion and marketing for PoE in China.

[fierce moth]

Tencent release an exclusive stream for Chinese version of Poe 2 2h 15mins later

[gilded elm]

Yes, so if you want PoE news in China, you should be looking for Tencent media, not GGG media.

The Chinese video game market works very differently. Licensing is strictly controlled for games that contain microtransactions. Every single western gaming company I know which offers Chinese service does so through a partnered Chinese company.

Usually it's Tencent or NetEase lol

[fierce moth]

😂 you're right, very unfortunately

Le's influence is much more worse than Poe 2 because le base on US. They don't have enough relevant resources for localization

Just found the overview video of le is just moved from YouTube to bilibili without any changes (Chinese prefer to watch videos with Chinese subtitles)

It's I think native speakers are amazing on this point. English speakers just watch everything with listening them only

But we watch everything with subtitles so it's a huge difference which hard to adapt

[desert jasper]

I sometimes still prefer to have subtitles
Simply because audio balancing can be an issue
or some people have weird accent

[fierce moth]

Not only accents, but also speed

Some people speaks words very quickly, such as Mark and Jonathan. They'll use lots of words I never hear too

[ivory swift]

By the way, in the interview they said EU and a few other area's are getting new servers different from the old ones they had. Some of the EU servers didn't have proper DDOS protection so they are trying another. There was also routing issues between the ISP's which they are trying to bypass with the new server hosts.

They tested the servers by DDOSing themselves to see how it holds up, so far so good, but only a real world test will do. It's also one of the reasons they are doing a free weekend, they are effectively stress testing the servers and want a massive influx of players to join to stress out the servers.

Honestly they should try to get steam to provide servers, people try to DDOS steam all the time to next to no effect, the same DDOS's that shut down PSN and Xbox only shut down steam for about 2 mins. At which point Gabe taunted them asking if that's all they got?

[gilded elm]

DDoSing a highly distributed HTTP infrastructure like Steam is a very different thing from DDoSing a far less distributed service infrastructure like PoE servers.

They're in almost completely different worlds. Steam has a natural advantage based on backend architecture.

[ivory swift]

very true, which is why counterstrike uses steam server (well it's owned by valve so duh). Would be nice If they could provide the same protection to other games

Though by that nature PSN shouldn't of shut down either, steam's backend is just so much more robust

[gilded elm]

Depends on backend architecture and traffic scrubbing capabilities at the network edge.

I doubt that Valve actually owns or operates its own DDoS filtering infrastructure.

This kind of thing is usually handled by a very small handful of specialist companies at the network edge or somewhere else upstream to the actual service.

For example, the currently biggest players in this market are CloudFlare and OVH.

[ivory swift]

supposably they use Akamai

[gilded elm]

CloudFlare can easily mitigate even the biggest volumetric attacks against HTTP-based downstream services (such as Steam's CDN) with little problem, but doing this at Layer 3 (network layer, or more specifically, TCP in this case) is a whole different can of worms and CloudFlare offers a special product for this called Spectrum.

Yeah Akamai is another big player. They also have their own mitigation infrastructure.

But basically, mitigating attacks against HTTP (Steam CDN, websites etc) is far easier than mitigating attacks against arbitrary TCP (PoE game servers).

[ivory swift]

Fair enough, appreciate the quick primer on the subject

[gilded elm]

This is the IP that steampowered.com resolved to for me: https://bgp.he.net/ip/23.209.185.74

So yeah, looks like they do use Akamai.

Uh, PoE2 threw me into a game server with the IP 64.87.52.241 ... apparently belongs to "servers.com" lmao
https://bgp.he.net/ip/64.87.52.241
https://bgp.he.net/AS7979

Yeah, this seems really dumb. They're probably using whatever anti-DDoS offerings are available from this company and it's guaranteed going to be garbage.

[ivory swift]

PoE2 doesn't use one service provider, it's based off region, and they haven't switched over to the new providers in EU just yet

[gilded elm]

Well, based on my region, the server they threw me into is hot garbage.

[ivory swift]

They probably don't know the servers real well

[gilded elm]

I'm sure the hardware itself is fantastic. But the networking? It's an effectively unmitigated 40gbps pipeline.

[crisp onyx]

they said they discarded some providers

[ivory swift]

yeah, but not yet I don't think, they are switching for the new league I think

[crisp onyx]

for 0.3 yes

[gilded elm]

This is a very roundabout way of servers.com saying they don't offer real anti-DDoS mitigation.

[crisp onyx]

"we do not provide..."

pretty clear to me

[ivory swift]

lol yeah

I get the feeling servers.com is ment for smaller hosting, not a major published game

[gilded elm]

I'm sure servers.com would be perfectly fine, they just need to have mitigation at a higher level upstream. Basically I shouldn't be directly connecting to the servers.com machine, I should be connecting through something else that has mitigation.

For example, if they were using CloudFlare Spectrum, I would be connecting to CloudFlare's servers, which would forward clean traffic to the servers.com machine.

[ivory swift]

Not surpised the folks at GGG didn't know that though. They have some network programmers, but I doubt they are very worldly when it comes to servers all over the world.

It's kind of surpising they don't use cloudflare though for the servers. They use it for their website including the trade website

[gilded elm]

Well, CloudFlare for HTTP mitigation is actually free lol

[ivory swift]

oh lol, that explains it

[gilded elm]

So yeah makes a lot of sense that everyone uses CloudFlare at least for websites.

CloudFlare Spectrum, though? The product that could actually protect game servers? That's very much the opposite of free haha https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/cloudflare-spectrum/

[ivory swift]

Yeah not sure what their margins look like, might not be practical.

[gilded elm]

D4 has way more connections, ignoring the port 80s and 443s as those are very likely just web servers.

Looks like D4 probably uses Google Cloud.

Ah crap, LE is down. At best, I can only check the auth server. I wanted to see what the game servers looked like lol

Looks like LE auth is probably Microsoft Azure.

Although a couple connections are also looking like Google Cloud as well.

[tawny sand]

i think when the poe2 patch drops i'm gonna try the hand-to-hand monk, looks cool.

hollow palm technique keystone

[desert jasper]

Get the new lightning gloves too

[tawny sand]

monk in last epoch when

i bet ehg could do a cool thing with the archetype tbh

[ivory swift]

Technically there are two unarmed builds in LE, one for Judgement and one for Cinder Strike

Paladin/Falconer

[gilded elm]

Yeah, screw you Korvaak! Not zdps anymore, but still squishy though

Still not ready for ubers :(

[twilit mountain]

Don't worry I've already made a way too expensive unarmed Judgement planner for 0.3

[vagrant topaz]

0.3? Or 1.3?

[twilit mountain]

Buffering

Look my last real period of sleep was two nights ago cut me some slack

[lofty wren]

I really wasn't expecting GGG to cook this hard. Actually excited to play 0.3 now lmao.

[tawny sand]

if they can make the crafting smoother that's my biggest hope

cause there were a lot of times in the original launch where i was not getting any crafting materials during the campaign

and now they're doing async trading too so that's nice

looks like it could be a good patch yeah

[lofty wren]

crafting seems like it's gonna be a lot smoother

[vagrant topaz]

You got 5h to power nap

[twilit mountain]

I've been trying to for 7 hours :D

[lofty wren]

still on the fence about the sprinting thing but I'm at least happy we're getting something to speed up the game

[tawny sand]

yeah the sprint is kind of goofy

[lofty wren]

the knockdown is honestly unnecessary jonathan jank

[tawny sand]

i also don't like how it's bound to dodge

just do a seperate button like why is it on dodge

[lofty wren]

yeah agreed... I don't like that at all

[tawny sand]

i know i'll end up holding the button too long after dodging, i'm really bad about stuff like that

[twilit mountain]

Controller moment maybe?

[tawny sand]

oh yeah maybe

[lofty wren]

at least attacking out of sprint looked pretty seamless

shouldn't be too big of a deal in combat

[fierce moth]

That's too serious...

I worries about can your brain and heart handle this level of tiredness

[maiden widget]

I'm kinda hyped to finally try a druid later today

[desert jasper]

I was thinking about taking a nap
but it's already almost 15:00 so too late for napping

[fierce moth]

I slept 5h then force myself to take a 1h nap today, at least

[twilit mountain]

Well. If my heart can't at least there will be record of it lol

[fierce moth]

Too late?...

I even can take a nap when 17:00

[desert jasper]

Yes
If i go to sleep now it will affect my sleep during the night.

[fierce moth]

Or take a nap when 20:30

[desert jasper]

Shouldn't go for a nap at that hour really

[fierce moth]

Really sleepy after the supper often lol

[twilit mountain]

I've been up since roughly 7PM yesterday, I last slept for about 2 hours from 5PM to then, before that my last period of sleep was around 4AM to 6AM yesterday and I do not remember the last time I slept more than 3 hours right now.

[desert jasper]

I woke up at 6 today
decided it's too early and slept more
got up at 11 and was confused

[tawny sand]

is it an insomnia thing? or do you sleep in spurts. Cause I'll sleep for like 3-4 hours, wake up do stuff, then sleep for a bit more

i meant to replay to deias

[maiden widget]

Had an espresso and cappuccino yesterday and surprisingly slept like a baby at 22:00

Expected a long night

[desert jasper]

Ah well guess i'll get coffee

[tawny sand]

i can also sleep on coffee

but i take meds that make me hella tired all the time

[twilit mountain]

Insomnia + I have been failing to take my sleep meds (because I ran out of ADHD meds last week) + I have a circadian rhythm disorder on top just for some extra fun

[maiden widget]

Sometimes I am awake for hours with coffee sometimes it does nothing

Thankfully I am mostly riding one rhythm - wake up at around 6 in the morning and go to sleep at 23 ish

[twilit mountain]

I've been drinking decaf lately because I'm not allowed to drink caffeine until after this heart monitor thing is over. Which kinda sucks, a lot of things I drink have caffeine (the caffeine doesn't actually affect me in any notable way other than sometimes triggering tachycardia)

[ivory swift]

problem with caffeine is you become resistant to it. You need to cut off all caffeine for a month or two in order to clean out the dependency and re-enable it's effect

[twilit mountain]

Oh I mean, it's never "worked" on me

[fierce moth]

Do you need to wear glasses to see things clearly?

[twilit mountain]

Yup. Where are they? Idk. I have about 8 or 9 feet worth of vision before things start getting pretty blurry.

[fierce moth]

Sleep is the only way I can away from wearing glasses for a long time so I must sleep 🤔

[ivory swift]

Some people are naturally resistant to caffeine. Though it's not super common from what I know

[fierce moth]

Lol I just drunk a cup of iced matcha milk this afternoon if we talk about caffeine

[tawny sand]

i don't like iced coffee

[ivory swift]

Over here we drink iced tea

[fierce moth]

Good morning, remember to stay hydrated, bless you enjoy the first busy week :)
@obtuse rune

🤔 these CM wake up so early today

[twilit mountain]

Well I'm thirsty now so guess I'll go find a liquid xdd

[tawny sand]

idk what i want to do till le update, and then it'll prob take me a while till i download it cause i have bad internet 😔

i have nothing to do today

[fierce moth]

🙏 I don't want to compare myself with another people to self punished and burn out myself quickly. So I just stay here to chat and share my progress of many quick doodles inspired by new maps in le maybe.

I have 3 unfinished videos about how to become a concept artist to watch after I go back home. So I'm busy

Too many videos you want to watch when you want to know how a thing work 😜

[tawny sand]

i've been watching a lot of vids on music production. Wanted to learn how to make like chill drum'n'bass and stuff

[maiden widget]

Ever tried cold brew? Very different to iced coffee

[tawny sand]

i have not, didn't know there was a difference

[ruby obsidian]

server up ?

[tawny sand]

can you login and check?

[placid yarrow]

no

[ruby obsidian]

Tyvm ❤️

[placid yarrow]

Launch is in <t:1755792000:R> (<t:1755792000:t>)

[maiden widget]

iced coffee is just warm coffe with ice, cold brew is extracting it in cold water for long hours so its less acidic and different in flavour

i love it

[junior oyster]

I recently put ice in my green tea

Now I can finally drink it all in just a few mins rather than waiting for it to cool down or burn my tongue 😂

[karmic nimbus]

Free poe2 weekend on launch if someone wants to test

[fierce moth]

The server enter 1.3 hype period now

I guess I can't catch Judd even he will appear tonight

A new wave of member shuffle is happening

[ebon meadow]

I drink liter and a half of peach cold tea daily lol that's why I don't touch water ,green tea winter time

Good green tea with ice is based

Wait was the patch deployed with the server down yesterday ?? I had no updates

[tawny sand]

no, patch is available when season launches

so about an hour and fifteen minutes

[ebon meadow]

Thought so ,just miss understood a friend

I was like playing last night and don't remeber any patch up

[fierce moth]

he's working so hard.

Skip to act 10 chapter 10 is my style

[ebon meadow]

I m so happy we pulled him out of d3 lol and D4 is yea not that much fun for grinders

He is a very good arpg player and hopefully he start to make good builds soon

[tawny sand]

oh wow silksong is september 4th

[desert jasper]

I'll believe it's real when I actually can play it

[tawny sand]

i have to believe it's been so long

[fierce moth]

I tried to list some info in this dungeon. Hah I know how expensive the communication's cost is more now lol

It's just the basic...

[radiant helm]

good stuff

[formal gate]

[vagrant topaz]

And I was happy with my dwl speed 😢

[radiant helm]

Reminds me of malthael

[fierce moth]

267 MBps is the max of my internet

First time to see Gbps

[vagrant topaz]

I really need a big cat.8 Ethernet cable

[radiant helm]

Warning, clicking the sanguine skeleton in the MTX store cause the game to crash

No idea if its only here but ye

[fierce moth]

Just downloaded 55%, sigh

[sudden pasture]

@candid sage while I respect the eagles, they look good as the second best bird team

[candid sage]

there is no one even close

we've lost like, 3 starters on the superbowl team. its basically the same team

[sudden pasture]

But my bird team also won a superbowl, and we lost everyone. And yall are still second place

Not for record, or the ability to actually play, but the jerseys👀

[candid sage]

nothing is better than the kelly green, sorry

[sudden pasture]

Lime green

[twilit mountain]

I'm in file patching hell rn

[junior oyster]

:O American soccer talk

[twilit mountain]

I know you can go faster than this

[junior oyster]

Not seeing necro on this is kinda sad ngl

[twilit mountain]

Wuzzat

[junior oyster]

LEtools top classes

Although right now there are only 7 builds on the site

[obsidian bridge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_onQJcmRf-g?si=MOjhL0YJDZfiV7iB

[twilit mountain]

Ahh

[junior oyster]

Guess I go beastmaster zzzz

[twilit mountain]

I'm cooking myself to start :)

[junior oyster]

It's too bad minions are too weak still it seems

[twilit mountain]

Oh no. They're very good now. At least BM ones.

[junior oyster]

Yea I mean necro

[twilit mountain]

Gotcha

[junior oyster]

I forget about other classes

[twilit mountain]

Abom is gonna be pretty nuts but that's it afaik

[junior oyster]

They are non-existent to me unless I have to

[twilit mountain]

Wraiths have been in the gutter since 1.0 unless you count Wraithlord (I don't)

[fierce moth]

🤔 I understand why Derek love the fist scene in chapter 10 immediately after I entered the map

[junior oyster]

Abom requires a lot of setup to work

So it's still weak imo

Please don't spoil anything Kirra

[karmic nimbus]

30mins in and someone is in act10?

[junior oyster]

Offline players can :P

[fierce moth]

Legacy

[junior oyster]

Or legacy

[karmic nimbus]

ah that lame place

[junior oyster]

To each their own

Kirra doesn't like starting over

[karmic nimbus]

ye its fine

you play how you like

cant argue with it

[jade jackal]

Leveling an Acolyte vs leveling a Primalist

sweaty gamer meme

[junior oyster]

Primer is so boring

[acoustic jungle]

#📚┃off-topic message - I made an edit ~30 mins before launch. We will hit 80k, but the range is due to the points I mentioned before. Unfortunately, the theme just doesn't work for a lot of people overall. Lots of details in the chain of comments.

I'm hoping to be wrong but it doesn't look like it. I'll put in some edits with learnings from the past 1-2 weeks before release. There are some interesting points.

However, one thing I'll put in before anything else: Krafton's acquisition didn't matter at all. Like 3-4% of all people mentioned it at all LMAO

[abstract karma]

I know it's hype on LE but i've watched today that big video of PoE 2 update..

To be honest, dang they cooking a f.. a lot.. They hit quite hammer
It baits me more playing PoE 2 than LE while PoE is still EA and still crafting will be annoying long mindless grinding..

[keen wind]

I'll probably hop on PoE 2 for a day or so and then go back to LE unless I really vibe with it

[fierce moth]

👀 Wow, the vibe of sky chains is...

[placid yarrow]

go there and see it for yourself :p

[fierce moth]

Such a pity that this game can't zoom out.

[junior oyster]

Been playing grim dawn this week so I keep pressing r for heals

[abstract karma]

been playing grim dawn when you had to use flask and no bind

[junior oyster]

I did too

[abstract karma]

what i see for me difference between LE or PoE 2 right now is "speed to be run trough area"

If you dont know how or have endgame boots, LE speed is just slow.. movement skill needs to be chosen carefully because
cooldowns..

While PoE always offered way faster way to rush trough undeed parts of area.. Now with sprinting it will be even eaiser

as much i wanna LE be good right now with as leagues are and seen that video i worry that PoE 2 steal a lot of players back after that one week

or 2 weeks if ppl will be more wise to wait on first hot fixes

[ebon lantern]

The only reason I've been occasionally checking back on PoE 2 is to see if they've finally changed the mechanics you need to suffer through to get your ascendancies. The ones they picked initially were some of the worst in the game imho.

[obsidian bridge]

LE will definitely need to add sprinting. I can already see it becoming so popular and the idea of it just sounds like common sense (esp. for games where you reroll other characters, sprinting through acts is gonna be amazing for those who enjoy the end game)

[twilit mountain]

Next one is TOTA so even worse lol

[ebon lantern]

Compared to Sanctum and Ultimatum? I'll absolutely take PoE tower defense. I dipped out of both those leagues before Mervail, but actually quite liked TotA.

Er, exiles MOBA. Because there's two TD type mechanics. XD

[twilit mountain]

Sanctum at least you can just DPS your way through, TOTA was so horrendously made that unless they completely rework it (which I do not trust them to do well at all) that builds that put out over 2bil single hits were unable to kill things

[ebon lantern]

I mean, yes. But also invalidating all defences with the not a healthpool mechanic is batshit insanity. I guess I didn't have much of a problem with TotA 'cause I just...kinda ignored the majority of the combat and blasted the totems. Letting the nearly invincible mobs bash on eachother was a perfectly viable strat.

[fierce moth]

New list of top 3 maps:

1. The temple in the sky
2. Sky Chains
3. Temporal Sanctum

Put my opinions here, welcome to debate with me

[junior oyster]

Dunno haven't gotten to act 10 so

I care not either way

[fierce moth]

I'm hungry after stayed in this chapter 2h lol Too much info chapter 10 have gave

No idea why I leave 2 locations without activating waypoints. Yes I guess chapter 10 need about 3-4h if scale with my levels instead of my level is overpowered

lol interesting... No waypoint available in sky chains even through I explored the whole map

hah... Quite hard to reveal the new temple EHG made because it's too beautiful

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup @quaint forge I bet GGG will not want to miss how insane top 1 and top 2 map looks. Welcome to experience by yourself :)

Looking forward to which map in poe 2 will as insane as them too lol
I like watching the invisible battle on environment art so much. At last, give the best blessing for all environment artists who created these fantastic artworks, for both of EHG and GGG. 🙏

[junior oyster]

I have to watch some dumb stream for 4 hours if I want to unlock an acolyte portrait? Bruh

Time to watch ziz on the side then I guess?

[maiden widget]

5 and 6h for usable stuff is rough

[muted parrot]

lvl26 for now and heading to bed. Tomorrow the real fun starts

[desert jasper]

Hit like lvl 47
didn't realize it's already past midnight
time to sleep

[muted parrot]

Have a good rest, traveler

What are you playing nub?

[gilded elm]

@junior stirrup Bruh, is this yours? https://pypi.org/project/pydds/
I've been looking for a Python library to read DDS blobs, I'm messing around with extracting texture bitmaps from Grim Dawn's .tex files so I can compile a collection of GD item images in a more traditional format like PNG. This is really cool if it works out for me lol

[sand wigeon]

You don’t actually need to watch anything.

[eternal light]

uhh

[twilit mountain]

open random stream before bed
mute tab
sleep
rewards when you get up
Hooray!

[tawny sand]

i have to interact with the streamer tho, what if i say something funny in chat and make everyone laugh

[junior stirrup]

Yep, that's mine. Made that and pyooz to power the wiki's PyPoE.

The formats it supports are pretty much only the human-visible ones that the game has, so it gives no hoots about cubemaps, LUTs, etc.

You can squint at https://github.com/zao/pydds/blob/main/dds/process_image.cpp to see approximately what it does.

This was made back when ImageMagick's support for block compression like BC7 was non-existent.

[gilded elm]

It's super cool. Although it turns out I can't use it for this because... well apparently the DDS blobs in Grim Dawn's .tex files use a proprietary variation of DDS. The magic number they use is DDSR (instead of "DDS ")... which I assume stands for "Reverse" and has implications about how the image data is ordered I guess.

[junior stirrup]

Sounds like you get to put on your reverse engineering hat then 😄

[gilded elm]

Fortunately, the only thing I really had to do was decompile an existing C# tool called TQ.Texture.Extract which served as an excellent source of documentation into TQ/GD's .tex/dds format lol

[twilit mountain]

I interact more with the other people talking than the streamers in the ones I do care about, and even then the only streamers I "talk" to are because I actually play with them lmao

[gilded elm]

Just a bit bummed I can't use existing DDS parsers :(

[fierce moth]

Good morning, I guess people who played 1.3 at the first time should reach the endgame now

Yes, all Poe streamers who played le for the first time is grinding in the endgame

[twilit mountain]

Not me I had to take a nap kek

The consequences of not sleeping properly

[gilded elm]

I haven't even played LE 1.3 yet. I've been too absorbed in reverse engineering Grim Dawn texture files lmao

ADHD is a hell of a thing.

[fierce moth]

another day just slept 5h then wake up

Yes, I have to rush a bit progress because I'm not free to play le next week

I've thinking is it possible to reach the level of skills environment artists in EHG one day last night. Very little hope because they're too excellent on solving problems... But that concept art they left before have gave lots of info 🤔

[tawny sand]

yeah but what if you're so funny the streamer mentions you by name???

[supple bone]

[fierce moth]

.....Why passive tree of shaman is reset

Don't know that until I wonder why t3 Julra is so hard

[junior stirrup]

Fun fact, I wrote a functioning BC7 decoder from scratch before I found Compressonator.

All you need in life is a good spec 😄 https://registry.khronos.org/OpenGL/extensions/ARB/ARB_texture_compression_bptc.txt

[gilded elm]

Hah, that's badass. Don't think I could do the same, I'm actually very fortunate that my decoder only needs to support a subset of the DDS format, no DXT10 or anything like that

And it's all uncompressed! :D

[fierce moth]

Just meet the first rift beast in endgame for the first time

[gilded elm]

I might just write a very specific decoder for these proprietary DDS blobs and a matching encoder to reencode the data as proper DDS, then just hand off the "fixed" DDS to pydds because it already comes with the PIL support that I want/need.

[junior stirrup]

If you can preprocess the files into an acceptable shape, that's probably the cleanest.

Otherwise you could technically modify pydds (which would essentially be modifying GLI) to understand this format.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, preprocessing sounds like the best way compared to building a forked C++ binding haha

The "reference implementation" (TQ.Texture.Extract) actually seems to do this, it just doesn't have the ability to export the texture as anything other than DDS, which is ultimately what I want and where PIL comes in.

I technically don't have to do this, I could just use TQ.Texture.Extract and then feed the resulting DDS to pydds but it actually seems kind of fun and a good way to learn something new.

[desert jasper]

bearquake
got to admit it was a rough start until I actually could put in points to earthquake
now dmg is fine
clear is a bit meh

How about you?

[twilit mountain]

Nub when your friend got their monitor was theirs also unfathomably itchy

[fierce moth]

........my totem is scared by the siege spire lol

re-enter this echo, my totem still very afraid of this spire

It kill everything except the spire....lmao

I can't complete the echo at all unfortunately because of this bug... Sigh

[desert jasper]

I didn't ask

And I can't recall her saying that it was itchy
she said that it was smaller than she expected

But it also was over 3 years ago by now

[twilit mountain]

Fair, fair

[muted parrot]

Good morning
I wanna go bleed raptors with one wolf and ofc trex but for now I‘m just running around with one raptor and two wolfs.
I had the same experience, the beginning was rough but now it gets better. And my AoE clear isn’t that great either^^

[gilded elm]

Making good progress, just gotta decode the mipmaps and then process and encode the whole thing into a valid DDS :)

[desert jasper]

Also I'll get the t-rex relic when I can afford it
I feel they drop too few bones
i barely have 10k at lvl 50

[muted parrot]

tbh I did the beast cycle once I think and then just left them. I wanna get to monos first and they probably drop more then. Also the rewards felt kinda meh compared to basically instant from Nemesis (I never empower when leveling bc too strong).
btw..is it just me or did those encounters got more difficult? Every single hit of any Nemesis did over 50% hp to me. I know it's rough early but can't remember it this crazy 💀

[desert jasper]

Yeah nemesis in early game feel insane
the blood one oneshot me

and they still sometimes take like half my hp in a hit

[junior oyster]

I got bored by the time I got to level 15 on prima

Why is he so freaking boring

I mean then again doing the whole campaign in le kinda sucks

I did the new content once so far and decided on not doing any more till monos

[desert jasper]

Yeah, primalist is probably the worst lvling experience

it's.. decent if you have twink gear
but everything else is way better still

[junior oyster]

I wanted to go necro but it takes too much work to get abom going

Anything else is practically dead

[muted parrot]

imo Sentinel is worse..I hate it everytime 🤣
Since I'm playing online this time, chances are very very low I'm gonna start a Sentinel^^

[junior oyster]

I'm doing online but at the same time I'm thinking why am I playing online

Like I could easily cheat in offline and be done with the game lol

[muted parrot]

I enjoy Acolyte the most in the beginning..and now that blood thingy got AoE and general rework of passives etc it should be even better

[junior oyster]

Yea I'd do acolyte too but I'd wanna go necro and abom without good setup is a bait trap imo

[muted parrot]

what you described earlier would be fixed in offline yes. You should join the legacy cult 😛

[desert jasper]

Just 1k more bones and I get my trex

[maiden widget]

[rain furnace]

Interesting photo I took

[desert jasper]

Got the trex
And oh boy he hits hard

majasa died before she could even suck any of the blood

[muted parrot]

at what lvl? and you did every beast encounter? 🤔
I'm feeling so weak in AoE clear even with scorp now

[desert jasper]

I've done every encounter, yes
Currently uhh.. let me get back on, had a weird bug
controller keyboard suddenly came up when I was talking to npc and I couldn't get rid of it

lvl 59 currently

[muted parrot]

hmm then I'll get it much later 🙁
but I'm working on it now
it's normal to fight the beast multiple times to get back to a cave, right? 🤔

[desert jasper]

yes

[desert jasper]

Alright, chapter 10 done

I feel that some areas were a bit too large
But it was gorgeous

[muted parrot]

first death..I don't like beasts often stuck at a wall, they rarely move >.>

[muted parrot]

oh noo, PoE2 ptsd 💀

what do you think of the new sound design?
imo there is room for improvements but it's better

[desert jasper]

Can't even count how many times I had one jump through a wall
and end up in a completely different part of the area and I had to run back to it

Honestly I haven't really been listening too much
my t-rex roars like every 10-12 seconds and it's kinda intense

[muted parrot]

one problem is..the portals often are at walls and they jump out of it so they move even closer to walls
Wall beasts instead of rift beasts 😅

[desert jasper]

I'm sure they'll improve on that behaviour tbh

[muted parrot]

fair enough, I'm listening to music now.
Roooaaarrr 🦖

[desert jasper]

Ayway
i should probably prepare some food
only had a small breakfast around 6
And yeah, I just boosted the game audio because I wanted to hear act 10 stuff

[muted parrot]

I do hope so, they are very stationary. Nemesis is 👍

[muted parrot]

got some leftovers from yesterday so just need to warm it up
Enjoy your meal 🙂

[desert jasper]

I mean
I also have some sauce ready so I could heat that up and cook some pasta or potatoes to go with it
But I'm kinda feeling like roasting some potatoes on a pan, throw some sausages + onion to go with it and eat the sauce later

Thanks

[fierce moth]

........my totem is scared by the moon spire too

[desert jasper]

Bug report that.

[fierce moth]

It mean I can't see what sky garden looks because I must complete this echo at first

Yes, just all types of spires. Very unfortunately.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
file a bug report.

[fierce moth]

The last message is before 1.3

Yes, I have f8 to report that too.

[muted parrot]

6k/13k at 46 🥹

[desert jasper]

They start dropping a lot more bones later

Especially if you pick the bone reward for the beast and then you finish their line

[muted parrot]

why isn't there a bag with ancient bones and it costs parts 😄

[muted parrot]

🤔 never saw that one..I'm basically always picking shards

huh, all that was only one lineage? 😵
got evolutions end, thinking about using it

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I got one and put it on too

[muted parrot]

ayo insane implicit rolls and +2

[desert jasper]

It's really good

Hmm... now do I play more or take a short nap 🤔

[muted parrot]

yeah, that should help alot and I'm excited to see the beast's damage 👀

[desert jasper]

Even the +2 to skills is super strong already

Good bear name

And this one too

[muted parrot]

best names..you shouldn't change passives now so it stays like that!

[desert jasper]

Well it changed name when I moved to another area

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3757140/?
A new open world survival RPG from a Chinese game studio, available on gamescom

[muted parrot]

Nemesis still best..finally good boots with t7 at lvl 48 😄

[muted parrot]

sad

that upgrade 🤣

[muted parrot]

👀

I feel like the rift beast minion is the worst part of evolutions end which is a bit sad 🙁

[desert jasper]

I still haven't seen one of those

But yeah, I'm gonna have a short nap now
Trex still carrying me
if not it directly hitting then the buff it gives to my bear

[fierce moth]

Don't give up your dreams...But don't give up your dreams.
😆 😆 😂 It's one of platitudes but I'm fine

[sand wigeon]

And that’s why I made art for the first time since I was thirteen today.

[fierce moth]

what these icons means except windows one?

Alright, let me spend some time reviewing what the feeling of starting from zero with a necromancer is

[muted parrot]

looks like your damage is way better than mine. I saw all phases of her but it was chill 😅

[crisp onyx]

big one

[blissful token]

tried lich, cant say i like it

[tawny sand]

i think it's alright so far

[surreal plover]

You can see who is stuck in front of the turtle from above!

[muted parrot]

what about it? 🤔

[blissful token]

well i am biased cuz i dont really like flay since it was teased. The rip blood is awful for leveling even after the change. All other skills synergy felt odd

[desert jasper]

Think I might make Lich as my 2nd character tbh
go for maximum meme flay proccing spells
and then suffer because I don't have enough mana

But sadly it takes quite a long time for Flay to be available

[muted parrot]

soon 🥹

[desert jasper]

then you lose it all to a freaky bug

[muted parrot]

hmm will take a while until I'll test it. I thought rip blood is straight a buff :S

[muted parrot]

you can loose them?

[desert jasper]

no

But I bet you were worried for a moment there

sorry

[muted parrot]

btw the draal fight was one of the worst bosses so far..maybe it's bc me and the boys only do phys but it was such a horrible long fight with too much going on 😵‍💫

[blissful token]

probably cuz i am playing the blood tether and it only works on boss and rares. Worse that i dont have gear for dot

[muted parrot]

not really, I was thinking about a bug stealing your stuff like a draal but then I was thinking you probably meant a bug like a game bug 😅
EHG wouldn't do such a thing like a mob that steals our stuff

[desert jasper]

I instakilled it

[blissful token]

there is not much things i wanna try this season, probably not gonna play much

[desert jasper]

fair

[muted parrot]

wait WHAT?!?

looks like I play the biggest crap again...💀

[trim lava]

😢 I just wanted to play S3...

[fierce moth]

🤔 EHG deleted the old black hole animation, replace it with a new black hole animation when I time travel

[desert jasper]

trex stronk

[fierce moth]

RIP, tunnel animation in past

🥱 Ok I'm a necromancer now... See you tomorrow, necromancer

I hope EHG can help totems to deal with what are they feared as soon as possible

[muted parrot]

I gotta admit..the new chapter doesn't look very polished. I mean it looks good but sounds of enemies are kinda meh or cutting off, my minions can't reach the eggs just now and I gotta do it by myself sigh and the story feels a bit weird too even tho I'm not that into it. Also some NPC text just skips

[muted parrot]

😢

[desert jasper]

Alright, I'm back from getting workout done

Now back to monos to wreck more bosses

[fierce moth]

@obtuse rune good morning, remember to stay hydrated, you've completed chapter 10 already I guess?

Only exclsuive seasonal contents can let me enjoy start from zero indeed. Endgame is much more fun if not

I'm quittttttte sleepy so I stop to play campaign

[proper nymph]

weird start...i have more strength than levels T___T

also anyone knows why my friend list is empty (even offline) and i cant use chat at all? its not active.
im not offline and i can see other playrs

[desert jasper]

aww my bear is named Major

[obtuse rune]

Three times now...pfft. Just kidding!

I'll be starting some more seasonal characters.. hope you're enjoying it so far

[muted parrot]

finally...TRex time 🥹

[desert jasper]

enjoy
remember to stack some stats

[fierce moth]

The only thing I enjoy is play chapter 10 for the first time with a powerful minion so I can just explore

[fierce moth]

@neon sigil do you find something you're interested to draw/paint in 1.3?

[desert jasper]

Could use more stats

But it's a start I suppose

[fierce moth]

emmmmmmmm.... Do nodes relevant to rift beast are too less... I max and get all nodes relevant to rift beast already but... 4 points left still

crystalized heart rift beast? Sound interesting

[muted parrot]

already cleaver
but isn't int that early rather useless for us? 🤔

[muted parrot]

close enough
also I unspecced raptor for now..I think bleed is only for endgame when you got the gear for it. Now I have 5 wolfs and the big boi

and Maelstrom with 1 stack node bc idk what else I'd specc..I wanted something with low effort but there isn't much I guess

[desert jasper]

Got Cleaver
and int gives trex phys pen
and it gives 20% of that to the bear

And yeah, bleed is only good end game as beastmaster

and I think just having wolf army does it better (and then transitioning to squirrels later)

still benefits from trex though because of the phys pen

Apparently it ruins abomination though
because any time abomination's stats change it goes poof

[modern tangle]

Anyone has an idea what is that? :x

Looks like a waypoint but no clue if there's some kind of puzzle I missed

[desert jasper]

No idea tbh
I was considering searching through the whole zone for some kind of answer
but it could be just an easter egg or something

[modern tangle]

Where is a waypoint supposed to be for the sky chains then?

[desert jasper]

It's one of these things but without the top part

[modern tangle]

I knew I saw it somewhere

[desert jasper]

Now
Why it doesn't have one?
No bloody idea

[muted parrot]

true, rn I'm just stacking str and a bit dex for the +1 companion at 100 combined

maybe trying to imprint that and maybe maybe get something to work with then..never tried that build 🤔
Crazy drop that early imo

[desert jasper]

Nice

I find it funny how the trex sounds kinda like a goose

[junior oyster]

I guess I no longer feel like playing primalist

Rip to 18 levels wasted

[desert jasper]

what happened?

[junior oyster]

Was following a guide and apparently it's really messy https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/allies-frog-gaming-chorus-of-the-anurok-beastmaster

[candid crypt]

Allie's Frog Gaming Chorus of the Anurok Beastmaster Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class

Primalist / Beastmaster

Used skills

• Swipe
• Fury Leap
• Warcry
• Summon Frenzy Totem
• Summon Wolf

Used unique items

• Chorus of the Anurok
• Mantle of the Pale Ox
• Arek's Bones
• Naal's Tooth
• The Land Before

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Season Starter / Beginner / SSF / Melee / Minions

Created by Allie · Aug 21, 2025, 7:49 AM

[muted parrot]

tbh I thought all the minion buffs would make it feel awesome but it really felt the same while leveling. I'm not that experienced with primalist but it was rather disappointing.
What makes it great is the rex and having fun only bc of a unique idk..feels not too good imo :S

[junior oyster]

I'll switch back to necro and if this goes bad might just make a sentinel

Also only 7 build guides on letools is oof

[desert jasper]

Ah yea
apparently there's also AI issues with the froggers

[junior oyster]

I won't yeet him in case I find decent gear for levelling but defo not worth

[desert jasper]

also surprised it's not having cleaver solution since it is dependant on stat stacking for the frogs

I get what it's going for
but yeah

[junior oyster]

Gunna check this out and see how it goes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcxDgTFsCE8

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AK2xz7Go

[candid crypt]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,348, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 132.73, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 163%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 9 Dex / 58 Int / 9 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 15% / 15% / 15% / 111% / 15% / 116% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 670
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,231)
▸ Block Chance: 37%, Mitigation: 61% (3,224)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Dread Shade

This build has a guide:

S3 Abomination Build Guide – One Minion To Rule Them All (Projectile Madness) by Grunfire

[fierce moth]

Oh? I need to try that

[muted parrot]

abo + decay dot? it sounds cozy in my head but idk

[desert jasper]

Just so you know
trex roar apparently dissolves Abo because it affects the stats it has

[junior oyster]

Uhh what

Hows his not dying then?

[desert jasper]

I don't know, I've just seen bug reports about it happening

[junior oyster]

Ofc minions are bugged as usual

[desert jasper]

Tbh I was kinda considering starting animate weapon with

Would just need to get to lvl 63 but I don't think that would be that hard

But sadly
I also know that every time I go for animate weapons I end up regretting it
because it's just warpath with proxy dmg
and the sound of them spawning is super jarring

ofc I could just mute it

I might even still go for it, really

Especially with how squishy the BM feels

[fierce moth]

My Jesus, I enter a fantasy world definitely.

Serene isles...Marked ✅

Very serene. 100% serene. I'm serene.

[real blade]

I love how Zizaran blatantly lied in his "EVERYTHING you need to know about.. 0.3" video about the announcements and release dates for the patches for LE and PoE.

He said "it's unfortunate that LE picked this timing", but EHG announced their patch first on July 25th. GGG announced theirs on AUGUST 14TH!!!

So guess who's the villain again? (At least they were kind enough to give us a week, right?)

[fierce moth]

You should go to poe official forum and shout them with that

[real blade]

I will, in fact.

[fierce moth]

I wonder what effect if the roof of pavilion is the same with green on this roof... I'll pick different colour for the pavilion and the grass or just pick the colour and the material from platform and steps in the Eterra's temple. The white is too white so it's not match with this environment
By the way:
My Jesus, I enter a fantasy world definitely.
Serene isles...Marked ✅
Very serene. 100% serene. I'm serene.

(I doubt the material artist forget to give a material to the roof of pavilion though)

[junior oyster]

Gee thanks for the spoilers Kirra

[desert jasper]

Yeaa you realy shouldn't spoil stuff like that when it's been out for only a day

[fierce moth]

Ouch! Forget it's spoilers. Ok no more spoilers next time

Sorry I've spoiled something

[desert jasper]

Eh
i'll just start the flay lich now

[junior oyster]

It's ok

[blissful token]

tell me how is it

[muted parrot]

do you think they nerfed woven enemies? I think there wasn't anything in patch notes but they feel much less punishing early on now

[desert jasper]

Well
it's gonna take me a while to get there

[muted parrot]

already new char? 😮 bored or just want something new?

[desert jasper]

BM just feeling too squishy really

Also it's a bad habit of mine

[junior oyster]

I'm not decided if I wanna go necro or flay route

[desert jasper]

I do usually prefer directly dealing the dmg myself

[junior oyster]

Most likely necro which I'll regret

[desert jasper]

Luckily you can respec mastery these days

[junior oyster]

One thing I dislike is stuff like this.

The char art doesn't match the models

[desert jasper]

Yeah, agree

[junior oyster]

Not a bad find for my necro

[desert jasper]

That's sweet

[muted parrot]

eyoo 1lp cleaver dropped

[desert jasper]

wtf
my neighbor just mowing the grass
it's 20:40

[blissful token]

[muted parrot]

better than 7 in the morning imo 😬

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'd rather take the 7 in the morning
I'm usually awake by then
meanwhile at this hour it's just so
out of place?

[junior oyster]

Also I hate these too

[muted parrot]

yes..imagine all bridges are just down per default. Same as opening doors in PoE..why is this in the game?!?

[desert jasper]

First beer drop of the season

[desert jasper]

nice

[real blade]

Come to find out, I may have been a bit overzealous in my knee-jerk reaction. GGG had stated they were switching to a more consistent cadence for their releases, which would explain their 0.3 release window. There is no foul play.

[desert jasper]

There isn't, no
but still zizaran saying that

LE stated their release first
then GGG came in with week later and saying it's now consistent 4months

Dear god
early rifts feel way overtuned

Just getting like a squad of spriggans
that instantly shotgun you

[muted parrot]

yeah their multi projectiles aren't funny at low lvl

[junior oyster]

Some of these side areas need to be shortened down a tad imo

[muted parrot]

can you please NOT JINX bad layouts Fane?!?

I think I've never seen such a long cemetery

[junior oyster]

Ooof

[muted parrot]

I just swapped my Evolutions End out with another one for Nemesis and I didn't needed to reallocate my skillpoints

[junior oyster]

I meant static maps in campaign

Is there a bug where we can't see certain enemy hp bar?

[muted parrot]

what the dog doing? 😂

[desert jasper]

Yeah, I've to say I agree with that side areas need to be shorter

[muted parrot]

seen it from time to time ye but not in season 2 iirc 🤔
Sometimes the hp bar also doesn't disappear after slaying those poor enemies :S

[proper nymph]

weird , so bad textures...?

[muted parrot]

seen the first crystallized heart beast and he was much more mobile 🤔

[muted parrot]

some areas are just old I guess. But they improve every season even in campaign 🙂

[proper nymph]

ye im not hating, im curious - maybe its my game is broken or something. or thats normal)

[muted parrot]

like the one field on the way to soulfire..completely boring ground texture and nothing else 😅

[proper nymph]

i see i see

[muted parrot]

I'm pretty sure it's normal. If textures would miss completely then I'd report it like snake statues last season

[proper nymph]

thats good then, thx

[fierce moth]

🫠 ......

[proper nymph]

bro what is this overkill dmg

[fierce moth]

Alright, my marksman's health is too poor

[fierce moth]

I'm looking forward to your reaction about bloodline glade @merry latch All of bosses with champion affixes...

[muted parrot]

got the flay boots +6 melee dmg x 13 stacks..that sounds crazy?🤔

[fierce moth]

Alright... failed 5 times on bloodline blade. Go on trying after got up

[merry latch]

I am not gonna play this again. one shot shit

[fierce moth]

lol You one shot by the dash, I one shot by burning whirlwind

That woven echo just overwhelming hard to avoid damage

[merry latch]

I didn try woven echo

zero balance game

[fierce moth]

Champions in this game just a type of enemy that uber difficulty on not be slain and poor prizes even you're survived. I posted multiple feedback about how overwhelming these champions are before

They release champion rift beast when they doesn't figure out how to balance champions yet so... Sigh. Double uber difficulty. 2x harder than harbingers.

I wish they fix totem bug as fast as possible so I can find that new woven echo by my shaman to do more tests. Bloodline glade available for my marksman only, so far, it's unfotunately because marksman just quite squishy.

[junior oyster]

Is it bugged that I can only summon fire mages?

[fierce moth]

On the other hand, maybe builds I played just zero relationship with tanky so my experience will feel worse Just shaman is a bit tanky. Mage... ward is everything and it's the only defense. Quite fragile.

(2 necromancers are the same one)

Sentinel is the only tanky character but I never play that

Shaman is the best mastery who balance tanky and minion damage. Better than necromancer a lot

[desert jasper]

@fierce moth eradicating species is act 10 thing.

Just like giving a gift at the beach is act 10 thing

[muted parrot]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
ohhh, that's why sound feels so bad 😵

[jade jackal]

I must have missed the reason this is a level 5 item. Surely

[fervent hazel]

Fun fact did you know the government of the UK is a greater threat to UK children then anyone else...between July 2022 and july 2023 the UK government strip searched 457 children... So who is really protecting the children?

[coarse onyx]

Duality of man:

[fierce moth]

The honey?.....

lol... Wait, what the relationship between give a honey to the turtle and eradicating species...

[fierce moth]

Yes, I'm on the silent coast now, nothing I find is relevant to species

[fierce moth]

lol...One shot by a dash +1

The tyrant just sprint to me when I wonder why my wraithlord don't active infernal shade

[fierce moth]

lol why my necromancer is more squishy than marksman... Amazing

Ok I come to visit sky garden finally

[blissful token]

oh kirra reached there?

i finished chapter 10 yesterday and hit monolith but dont feel like playing anymore

probably skip S3

[fierce moth]

The endgame just so hard

So hard for necromancer because no room to build defense on the gear

Use primordial unique items to build defense is what I want to try definitely but I must grind so much echoes to collect enough materials at first. It mean the new content is start from the very late game in fact...

[narrow token]

Most of the changes are to classes I don't want to play. And the season mechanic isn't my thing so I'm probably done too. Unfortunate, but it happens. From what I hear, even PoE had "meh" leagues I think they call them.

[fierce moth]

##%&%#@

324c only. I just be slain by 2 melee attack

[blissful token]

Yea, the changes to classes are not the ones i wanna play too, so there is nothing much i wanna do. The beast mechanic and evolution thingy is more or less tried during campaign

[narrow token]

If nothing else they'll learn some lessons from this to make season 4 more meaty

[blissful token]

it is pretty much a minion/companion season for S3, not something i am interested in and i dont like flay

I am still waiting for their skill sigil

[muted parrot]

I don‘t think there is anything to learn from that because it’s simply not possible to do much more in just 3 months instead of 9.
Maybe s4 will have more stuff to do bc they already started in s3. If it’s true what they said about season 2 that they focus only on season 2, then s3 was basically a clean slate.

I wasn’t playing PoE in the early days but I‘m pretty sure it was the same, they add for example breach and that’s it.

Also people only look at what to do in endgame and sure, we only got rift beasts. But they also added a whole chapter that must’ve been a lot of work.
Imo it’s only natural that some seasons aren’t that big for us players.

[narrow token]

Yeah that's fair.

I'll probably be more excited to play if they ever touch up spellblade or add an elemental monk (Excited to try out PoE2 unarmed monk so I can be Aang)

[fierce moth]

I wonder how to kill a rift beast when you run on an aisle. Still that issue, no room to dodge melee attack from that. I have tried to go away, but then my wraithlord just wander around again, a note here is minion stance I'm on is attack. I found defence mode just give more chances for minions to be lost (wandering).

The same issue when I face another rare enemies like champion. NO WAY TO DODGE except escape with reverse direction. A note here is ||tyrane maw|| is very dangerous because minions will not 100% chance to follow you even minion stance is defence. Defence suppose to let minions just near around anytime, but it's not.

I don't mention a bug that my wraithlord is wandering then it's disappeared suddenly. Yes, it's why I'm slain by tyrane maw in picture 3.

The experience in sky garden with minion build just quite bad because ||it's a map form of multiple aisles and odd edges like I can't pass here even a way/some space is available/ I can across the house model through it's not supposed to do||, so it can be improved a lot if ||more open spaces are available and less long distance aisle||.

[fierce moth]

lol... 1.3 give me an idea is I can make a collection about how am I to be slain suddenly with posting a series of "you have died" pages

[muted parrot]

ok sky garden map is really huge in monolith 💀

[fierce moth]

Because they change nothing, just move it from chapter 10 to monolith

[muted parrot]

yeah, seems like it :/

[muted parrot]

seems like the game wants me to play lich

[narrow token]

I wish I could do well with a lich, but so many of the builds I see are low life, and those kinds of builds make me immensely uncomfortable. I'm not smart enough to make a build that isn't, if that's even possible.

And harvest kind of sucks early on from what I tried.

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Need to curse enemies for harvest to do anything really

[tawny sand]

could take the mark for death nodes in reaper form and flay but yeah, that's what i'm doing so far and it feels okay? I just got to the new act

and the reaper form mark for death is only 15% chance at max so

i am running bone curse on top of it but i'm hoping to change it out for something else idk, i haven't figured it out yet

i might try to proc chaos bolts with flay and then proc bone curse with chaos bolts and see what that does through their respective nodes

[muted parrot]

first time trying out squirrels..first impression: it's just a bit better than 6 wolfs. Clear still bad.
It's cool to have squirrels and still at least one wolf thanks to the one skill passive so they get the howl buff + squirrel buff. Bleed prolif would be nice

[desert jasper]

Yeaa the squirrels don't really have that great clear

Not sure why people hyped them up so much back in the day when the helmet came out

[vagrant topaz]

Because Ziz made the helmet and said they were pog champ

[muted parrot]

influencing influencers

[desert jasper]

ofc he'd say that
he could make the worst item in the game and still say that it's pog champ

[fierce moth]

Good, at least I'm not be slain by buring one again...

It's my fault this time. I should stay away from the dragon until these cold whirlwinds are disappeared (But the mod is quite unfriendly exactly)

[muted parrot]

correction: seems like the wolf + squirrels was a temporary bug and it's fixed after relogging, tried to reproduce but didn't work. That steals the build a lot of damage now

[fierce moth]

The first time to face the 5th rift beast, but...

[fierce moth]

I guess you mean ||spark from rift beast?||

[jade jackal]

Its a champion affix

any champion that contains that will bring nothing but death and despair on players

even if they play a shield bearing paladin

[fierce moth]

Sigh, alright, be slain by a poison pool... New death +1

[mental talon]

I was hoping that we'd get PoB info before 0.3 launches but it's looking like we might not so might have to send it blind and cook in real time

[fierce moth]

failed in bloodline glade 10 times so far

[sudden anchor]

train your skills on weaker enemies first, then try again.

[vagrant topaz]

My in-laws got 2 puppies

[fierce moth]

I guess @gilded elm can pass that under be failed less than 3 times

[vagrant topaz]

Archie got some friends for the weekend

[fierce moth]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!YES!

I win. I win. I win! Finally!!!!!!!

11 mins...The longest combat I've experienced in le's history.

These're prizes from this woven echo. ||Each of them have a t8 sealed affix, which calls primordial seal affix|| 🤔

[junior oyster]

Sorry Kirra I put you on ignore for now

[fierce moth]

Make sense

[muted parrot]

gg, at C100 I died one time then won..it's hard 💀

[junior oyster]

My bad I thought it was a10 stuff

[fierce moth]

Ok collected all 3 new woven echoes for my shaman to test. Let's see what will be happened

Maybe I should wait EHG to fix their...Thornclaw at first

[abstract fossil]

most unfair shit monster i ever seen

[fierce moth]

hhhhhh welcome to join in the team which against champions

[fierce moth]

It's funny to see a rift beast have upheaval too. It's my skill!

Alright today's journey in le is here. Test how shaman performance in bloodline glade tomorrow

[old coral]

hey chat

help me name my dnd character

[crisp onyx]

axe

[desert jasper]

yes

[fierce moth]

Perfect playtime milestone, no decimal point :)

[jade jackal]

A true game expert

[acoustic jungle]

#📚┃off-topic message - we hit 80k! A bit of reflection on what I've seen in the past 2-3 weeks of constant analysis:

• If we look at most engagement-centric metrics such as "how many times do people open this link, that link, this resource, that resource", there's just a baseline lack of interest. It's not that people check out things, and then they decide it's bad - they just don't check at all. That's very worrying.
• For the ones that check promotional stuff out, the bounce rate is way higher than 1.2.
• The main negatives, in order of occurrence: the theme, lack of new endgame. Those are the things I can reliably check for on a massive scale, but I'm also seeing wording close to "no new changes to builds", but can't distinguish what's what reliably - overall negative sentiment.

A few (non?) interesting things:

• Nobody cares about the Krafton thing.
• The overlap with PoE players has clearly - again - finalized. Most people playing LE now are not hardcore PoE fans. This means lots of things, but it's too long.
• Official confirmation on my sales figures. I think I'm down to an error of a few 10k difference!
• Finally correctly predicting most things. The 80-110k range is because data for a subset of people is not available/not of quality, etc., but the base model works flawlessly.

All in all, very good performance for what the patch is, but I do think this is the patch where people realize LE is not yet 1.0, at least in practice. It was a mistake to focus on the campaign, full-stop. Unless 1.4 comes with a bang, I do think people will start seeing LE negatively - the one that got away. 1.4 must focus on endgame, and not just systems-wise. Imho, the model should be an Uber-like boss every season.

I'm retiring the model, however. Its accuracy really kills the hope for me. While my enjoyment of the game doesn't relate to others, I don't wanna enter despair mode 'cause I know that, if the game isn't super (more) successful, it'll just be left to die long-term. Genuinely feeling better when I don't know these things. Sorry to the 3 people that care 😄

[fierce moth]

Messages generated from this AI model just too terrible

[mental talon]

Kirra that's the most based thing I've read all day, you're a real one.

[junior oyster]

Nobody cares about krafton? Idk about that

[desert jasper]

He just blocked people talking about krafton so his ai doesn't scrape that message

[acoustic jungle]

Nobody does, no.

~85% of all LE players covered, mentioned/seen by like 3%.

[junior oyster]

If necro sucks I might just go sentinel

[acoustic jungle]

But that was to be expected, not like a crazy revelation. Still nice to see it confirmed.

[fierce moth]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/950719404283699446/BAF0AA92DBF1ABB4EE29CFCDD6ED04F3266F2552/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Maybe EHG is too busy to check it out, maybe EHG will check it out. But it's here.

||The pavilion in Serene isles|| remind me of this scene from an extreme aesthetic puzzle game, pavilion. Yes, this is the game's name.

The content is 2-3h only and not so much fun on gameplay so it's cheap but unpopular

[hidden isle]

what build is this !?

[fierce moth]

Ask Mike "which marksman's build use burning dagger"in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs , he will give you a link

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/G28Job2uMg

If anyone curious about what different angles people are on to look poe 2 and le, it's an interesting post

I'm too young to discuss "Do the scale of contents in current le is enough to have fun". I just busy to learn different games in this type. 🫡

[obtuse hawk]

do you mean this passage is AI generated?

I personally feel that even the most basic-- the title of the expansion is a little "off" that it doesn't communicate any interest or looming threat

which is what every movie or game subtitle usually conveys

[acoustic jungle]

I swear, the fact that everyone knows AI makes it so that the less educated think that anything even closely resembling some form of structured through, is "AI-generated". If you followed the thread - which is long - you could tell that I've been working on a model that pulls data from 100+ places, private and public, works with them, all to predict LE's upcoming numbers.

An entire generation's attention-span fried. Goddamn.

I don't mean to flame, but if you don't understand something, it means it's just not for you.

But this ^ message IS not for you, you were just asking 😛 -- I was just reminded of how many people I blocked 'cause they think anything more than 2 paragraphs and written by someone who finished school is AI.

If I could, I'd actually post the actual model, but it'd reveal EHG's deals, what data we buy, what we have access to, and so on. It's very interesting to look at these things, but it's just impossible to outright discuss them in a more precise manner, like, say, EHG's budget for advertising, who drives people to the game, what they spend time on, etc., so, just a number.

[desert jasper]

Man
Lvling as a lich until Flay is kinda pain in the ass
i did use harvest at first but started just using rip blood instead

Just 8 more passives until Flay
then I get instant regret because don't have good melee weapons

[obtuse hawk]

I asked an honest question asking for context, no?

[acoustic jungle]

Yes, and I provided further context - But this ^ message IS not for you, you were just asking :stuck_out_tongue: -- I - upon discovering you weren't "one of those". Sorry.

It's just that, 99% of the interactions are awful, and I wish it was the "well, if everywhere you go, it stinks of poopoo, maybe it's you". It's just the average person's understand of even basic concepts. So, I just jump to that conclusion immediately, because it's correct nearly always. My bad, G.

Point still stands, tho, but that's a discussion for another server 😛

[desert jasper]

Yeah yea
you're just a genius and nobody understand you
that's why you block half the server and then some

[obtuse hawk]

I mean, the data is interesting and I'm definitely a nerd on the same venn diagram. that's why I pinged in the first place

[acoustic jungle]

I must say, tho, the people who I've talked to about this were very nice, and I'm always happy to explain what I can!

[obtuse hawk]

but I also agree with this guy

[acoustic jungle]

I don't see their message, most certainly trash.

I don't block just to block.

If someone puts zero effort and/or is ignorant, that's an instant block from me.

It's immoral to be that way.

[desert jasper]

He has also stated stuff like majority of poe players are jobless
because he knows a guy or two like that

[acoustic jungle]

When you lack any ounce of critical thinking (worse yet, willingly), there's nothing to discuss.

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101> guy calling me trash here

[obtuse hawk]

sadly, I can't block everyone I don't like irl. so I'm forced to be a decent person

but you can do what you're good at

[acoustic jungle]

Decency means accepting someone spewing ignorant stuff? There's the block functionality.

It's a public chat, their choice. It's my choice as well.

I get to post trash, they get to post trash, we all do!

[south gust]

Ok let's change the subject

[acoustic jungle]

Agreed 👍

[fierce moth]

Maybe we should prohibit to use AI for texts. Words from this odd people are... 🤷‍♀️

I dislike block too but if you block me, I can block you too, yes. Very fair

[acoustic jungle]

Regardless, while I don't know for sure, the numbers are not great but EXPECTED. I'm just really worried that, if the story repeats itself for 1.4, we'll be seeing sweeping changes - which we might not need, we just need more of LE. In practicality, we're not yet on 1.0, if we're talking about the assumed expectations of the ARPG player (that I'm probably wrong about, because I'm talking in relation to PoE). Just hoping that neither EHG nor Krafton see this as "need core changes".

Clearly, the financials aren't making sense for EHG, even with 3 millions copies sold, MTX, and so on. The Entertainment market is actually pretty fair - people really don't buy what they don't like, so, it's easy to analyze. Complex situation, because there could be many reasons, but all we need is more LE, man. More stuff. Not different stuff.

[fierce moth]

More and more AI-generated bad texts. I'm sad that people who willing to read them carefully

[jade jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/skinenr-gif-20761908

did we get punished with embed blocks? god damn yall

[fierce moth]

My suggestion: Give Didiel a separate room to let they post their ideas silently and publicly, a thread is good. Everyone still can read, but we can decide do we want to read or not.

[jade jackal]

He already left the server lol

[fierce moth]

Didiel just want a public space to show the passion but they lack of relevant skills to express.

[jade jackal]

The text btw is not AI generated, i can vouch for that

just properly formatted

I know how AI generated text looks like

[fierce moth]

I don't think so because I still can see their messages even I don't see Didiel have any mutual servers with me

I just one of persons who blocked by Didiel

[jade jackal]

oh, than i was blocked too

its fine, some people just block anyone with a slight hint of confrontation / intellectual challenge

[fierce moth]

Blocked half of server

[jade jackal]

The person who blocks everyone is pretty correct regarding future content btw

[junior oyster]

Nope he is gone

[jade jackal]

You're blocked too lol

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhhhhh

[junior oyster]

This is how I see his acc

I guess if I'm blocked then awesome

[jade jackal]

if you have a mutual - means they are still here

at least using a smurf account

[junior oyster]

Lol so I disagreed with him about one thing and he blocks me?

What a guy

[jade jackal]

welcome to the club lol

[acoustic jungle]

O.O

Y'all STILL on that topic?

[fierce moth]

You can try that lol

[acoustic jungle]

Well, I guess it's the topic of the hour. Not gonna continue talking about it, because it's just an uninteresting topic.

[junior oyster]

I could care less

[acoustic jungle]

Exactly, BRUH

[junior oyster]

I was just on about whether you left or not

[jade jackal]

Today i learned how blocked mechanics work with Discord UI, im happy with this bit of discussion

[fierce moth]

That's too fun here hhhhhh

[abstract karma]

Well one thing is right..
EGH Hype from relased had 240k ppl (more or less) second official season only 150k while active was like 120k
now you have reached 70-80k where a lot of ppl will swipe on PoE 2 especially since LE didnt change too much on this season.. Somebody will just clear new chapter maybe try new build and leave (+ reputation of Krafton just did itself some work)

So it's going down

[acoustic jungle]

Na, there are some good people who I enjoy talking to about the game, and they're decent, reasonable. Teilya and Father Toast being one.

[junior oyster]

Until they disagree with you

[acoustic jungle]

It's very nice to talk to smart people about a topic you enjoy. I wouldn't leave the server.

[jade jackal]

I still donno when i earned my block lol

This guy is pretty correct on most of his claims, formats his stuff well, a bit of ego is fine, i can live with that

[acoustic jungle]

I'm not going into that topic. You have your friends to discuss it with 🙂

The concept of intellectual housekeeping is so foreign to everyone, that anybody practicing it, is a stranger.

[maiden widget]

you vastly overestimate the krafton thing imo, most people didnt even notice it

[acoustic jungle]

Per data analyzing ~85% of all LE's players: like ~3% people mentioned it and/or saw an article about it.

[jade jackal]

Fear of confrontation isnt intellectual house keeping, its fear of the idea that your point of view can be challenged and god forbid even changed

[acoustic jungle]

Nobody cares about Krafton. Also, common sense.

[maiden widget]

does not surprise me at all, its just for the niche in the niche

[abstract karma]

With current drama of sabnautica and other problems within their online service ? I think you little underestimate it

[acoustic jungle]

Yes, most people just come back from their job, and press the Play button.

[maiden widget]

they're just getting eaten by poe2 release dates and a weird focus on the campaign

[acoustic jungle]

Well, it is just "trust me, bro", but: #📚┃off-topic message

[fierce moth]

The update on minion builds not quite kind of my tea because totems are minions too but shaman get zero update :(

[maiden widget]

sadly minions still feel kinda bad anyway so the whole hype for it is also a bid botched

can just hope it's still a bit buggy

[jade jackal]

problem with minions reside on a mechanical and design challenge LE has - not feeling crunchy and satisfying as it should

This is why i prefer builds that rely on skills with large visual impact

I notice that there's also a fairly significant reactiveness difference between how skills and classes are designed

Sometimes the Sentinel feels like its from a completely different game to the Primalist

They very much do at least for the first 40 levels

[acoustic jungle]

I tried Acolyte. Minions just don't feel good. I don't even know what it is or if they can even ever "fix" them.

Smart targeting where a mob's power is taken into account? Baked in dodging of mechanics? All of these together?

[maiden widget]

tried beastmaster and the raptor mostly missed his flame breath

glad i found a fun druid respec

[maiden widget]

i dont mind that but they need to be snappy if i want it and actually hit their abilities

if it's frustrating to just watch i'll nope out

[jade jackal]

I see some trex gameplay and that was enough for me to go NOPE

waiting for this thing to move and attack feels like a very disconnecting experience

This is why im a fan of Mage and Sentinel based masteries, they have tons of skills that just properly connect

[maiden widget]

yeah that's why i just levelled bear to respec into from trex but in the end didnt even try it

now i am happy with storm bear

[fierce moth]

It's my favourite le meme

[jade jackal]

Sort of me right now with Judgement

But i use it as a vehicle for account progression for other builds

Its just that, maybe due to my playtime with Sentinel based builds, it feels like the most comfy setup for that

Everything is so coherent and connected, so many things combine naturally for this class

Primalist feels a lot more disjointed when it comes to skills as tools

[fierce moth]

Progress on a build needs lots of time to grind exalted items and find unique items with wishes lp, then I must afford the risk to brick multiple unique items, it's why I prefer to play next contents with old builds

Theory crafting is fun, but it's high cost on time if I want to 100% do that as my plan

[junior oyster]

Nice placement for a shrine

[jade jackal]

Yeah the temple does that with randomly generated assets

Mine came with an exiled mage

[maiden widget]

i wanna do reflect later on but the idols are hard to farm so i am content on werebear now

[junior oyster]

So my abom won't always eat minions?

I'm guessing that's a bug

[jade jackal]

Maybe he isnt hungry anymore

[fierce moth]

The same case.

I want to play abomination necromancer but I need to farm primordial materials for the wand by playing old builds at first

[maiden widget]

kinda nice if you like the early build anyway

[unique creek]

@jolly wadi my main point still stands

the overlap between the dates is 100% hurting their player population this time around
they pushed it back last time, and it worked out great (though most of that was because the PoE2 update was trash)
and GGG has promised locked in dates
season 3 being 5 months so Season 4 can avoid overlap with the next PoE update shouldn't be the end of the world.

I don't like suggesting the little guy cowtow to the big guy throwing his weight around.
but expecting GGG to budge is...not realistic

@feral loom I personally thing PoE is good in it's own right, but severely overrated, as it has a load of issues that need addressing that glazers, white knights and fanboys refuse to acknowledge and/or accept

[jade jackal]

I think that to a degree - we might get some advantages with PoE1 and PoE2 being so unrelenting with their content update and dates

since now EHG being alive isnt as urgent as it was a few months ago - it might get a lot of additional funding now in order to try and compete better

[acoustic jungle]

The overlap isn't doing anything that much damage anymore, not with this big of a gap. See: #📚┃off-topic message and my other messages here.

It did before. Not anymore.

Also, you just assumed that the patch's numbers were that big because of this...thing...alone? What. Alright. Not the fact that it was huge, both in practicality and perception, and so on?

[feral loom]

Yeah I personally just don't like it, too complicated, story too long, too hard, not my cup of tea

Just the constant "Poe 2 best game ever, last epoch shit" bots are so annoying

[acoustic jungle]

I expected some communicating between EHG and GGG. Jonathan confirmed they talked to EHG. It was obvious that it'll happen. My guess is, GGG aren't full-on assholes, and it came down from the top - better to a golden goose and a silver one than just a golden one.

[unique creek]

story too long
this is especially an issue on a seasonal model that doesn't give you some sort of skip
doubly so when the end game is supposedly the best part of the game

for a shorter story, it's a non-issue
if there are ways to skip, it's a non-issue

[acoustic jungle]

I am gifting you Nitro for a three months if you can find more than even 1% of all messages in this server EVEN in the last week being that. Where are all those bots?

[feral loom]

Yeah, nobody plays those games for the story, we all wanna just clear random maps with random enemies several hours a day and collect loot

[acoustic jungle]

😄

[feral loom]

Not here but on the steam discussion and reddit

There are threads upvoted by the hundreds, nearly thousands saying this game is just a Poe 2 waiting room and S3 is a major disappointment etc

[unique creek]

not to mention YT comments

[feral loom]

Seems like shills or something

[acoustic jungle]

Wrong. I already checked. I'm hooked up to every social media, Discord, private channels, etc., and that "lol le bad" doesn't exist in practice.

Every. Single. Comment.

Negativity bias. Some small amount of people say negative things, and it feels like it's A LOT.

[feral loom]

Well I don't have reasons to lie, i can search it up and post screenshots later when I'm bored

[acoustic jungle]

No, you're not lying, I know. It's just a regular case of negativity bias. It makes us think an issue is bigger than it is.

[feral loom]

Oh okay I understand.

Yes, that maybe it, it's still sad and disheartening because I like this game.

[acoustic jungle]

In reality, even that sub-slice of people posting is, for the vast majority, not in the "le bad lol poe amazing" camp.

Eh, let them be. Why pay attention to people like that?

[feral loom]

Because it's addicting 😄

But i try to ignore it as much as I can.

[acoustic jungle]

Fair

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the forums/reddit have been more negative, and I imagine they'll be more negative in the coming day(s). Patch just isn't great.

[feral loom]

Yeah tbh online forums are almost always toxic and negative no matter for what game

[acoustic jungle]

If there's any dev I trust to take that feedback to heart, and not just brush it off, it's EHG 👍

But it all boils down to "just put more content out" LMAO

[feral loom]

The worst bug for me definitely is the memory leak, if they fix it I'm happy

[feral loom]

Haha yeah, I'm an easy man, I just wanna kill a whole screen of enemies and I'm happy

[sand wigeon]

See, the killing enemies is the least enjoyable part of ARPG’s for me. It’s why I play Heist.

[narrow token]

Wtf is heist?

[twilit mountain]

Me who put in over a thousand hours one league while working 35 hours a week on night shift

[twilit mountain]

A PoE mechanic (I hate it)

[desert jasper]

I stopped doing heist at some point because it just kept spawning more and more rare monsters behind a door so the instant it opened it was instant death

Also one enemy spell bugged and didn't disappear when it hit a door so my npc was trying to open it but couldn't because was getting dmg from the spell
this was on the way out

[radiant helm]

@jade jackalSo

Tried the gods wathever wathever for myself just so i could check...

and i don't think that has ever got a chance of working

[jade jackal]

yeah

[radiant helm]

There's no ARPG in it, its... wierd

[jade jackal]

the whole idea is just bound to flop

[radiant helm]

cluncky, feels bad everything feels bad

I'm fine with the extraction idea but why everything has to have stupid cooldown?

Healing after the match is over? who had this idea

[jade jackal]

Its in a very awkward position between arena horde games and roguelikes

[radiant helm]

Just because tarkov does it doesn't mean its going to work for an ARPG lol

[desert jasper]

Wait, what game?

[radiant helm]

I'm one of the few wolcen defenders on earth, i do genuinely think its a decent game, but i do think that game is not going to least a month my god

[radiant helm]

New wolcen studio game

[jade jackal]

This is classic snobby Wolcen Studios thinking they are the Steve Jobs of game development to absolutely no crowd

[desert jasper]

Ah, right that thing
yea i had a look and it doesn't interest me at all

[radiant helm]

I don't think there's a single redeemable thing about that

[jade jackal]

They are just pretending to eat the humble pie, they spat it out without us noticing

[radiant helm]

I like giving a shot to everything

[jade jackal]

I always give shot to games, its in my nature - especially indie stuff. particularly indie stuff even

[radiant helm]

But i hope they cancel wathever that is and start doing something... decent

Cause that aint it

my god wtf did i play for the last hour...

[jade jackal]

The best arena horde game ive played will probably remain Soulstone Survivors, and the best roguelike hack and slash will probably be Hades 2

[desert jasper]

they could scrap it 5times and start over like they did with wolcenv

[jade jackal]

They had a serious of very very closed alphas

[radiant helm]

Honestly? Would be for the best

[jade jackal]

I took part in one agreeing to their stupid terms

It was, i kid you not - a 4 hour alpha test window

[radiant helm]

Yeah, its dumb, i hope for the sake of the devs keeping their work, they rework it into something else entirelly

I'll say, for an indie studio, they don't even need to make a campaign

Their endgame on wolcen was actually neat

Just make a regular old arpg

[jade jackal]

Sorry, 3 hours

[radiant helm]

thats all...

[desert jasper]

[jade jackal]

And then ive tried their second game

they call it their "indie initiative"

I asked, wait, indie initiative? cool, are you guys finding new devs?

"no, its just a smaller team working on a different game"

I just don't get these kinds of studios, i really don't

Last Epoch exceeded not because they had good visuals or gameplay, just a bunch of very good systems design

At least one French studio this year came out with something good

For those who come after...

[desert jasper]

Ah
It has beautiful music
need to get it at some point

[jade jackal]

E33 is slowly climbing in my head to the conclusion its the best single player game I have played in my entire life

doing the math, its inevitable.

[compact kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFjImssQN4 on the intro can some1 tell me what class is this ? is the one he is saying on vid ? cause i see diff spells i m new players if some1 can help

[radiant helm]

For those who come after indeed...

Well, its sad, the looter genre is very much cursed, be it looter shooter or looter RPG

It feels like out of the few projects that come around most of them are ruined in a way or another

[jade jackal]

I think its bound to happen

The good thing is that there's still an ample supply of good ones

Now more than ever - by indie studios over large ones

[radiant helm]

I mean right now we mainly have TQ2 that is 2-3 years from release
then we have diablo 4 that blizzard killed(not in a good way)
Diablo don't you guys have phones
POE1 thats aight, but then we've been on it for over 10 years at this point, so welp
POE2 thats good, but with severe problems and they're taking way too long to finish
and grim dawn thats really good and all, but its one we check once every wathever many years they take to finish the expansion

on the shooter side of things we got borderlands that made a mess on all their releases since bl2
Warframe thats one of the really good ones, but also 10 years in...
destiny 2 that somehow still haven't closed doors but its not far from that
and division that ubisoft don't really seen to care much.

So despite we having in theory many options a lot of then are either problematic or damn old at this point

[desert jasper]

paladin

[jade jackal]

My rotation would probably lock into LE and TQ2 the most unless something disastrous happens

Im having a bit of a tough time stomaching PoE2 for different reasons

[radiant helm]

Last season i played POE2 for 2 hours then didnt even bother booting up again, they really had fumbled it, hopefully it'll be better, i'll give it a shot in a month or so

[jade jackal]

I tried no rest and it suffers from developer-thinks-they-are-better syndrome

[compact kestrel]

and i can play that as paladin mate?

[radiant helm]

I haven't played it, but from what i watched seens more like a top down soulslike then a diablo like so it didn't really did it for me

[jade jackal]

yeah its very slow paced and punishing

the first EA release had literally mechanics that can delete an hour of progress

[radiant helm]

The only non-fromsoft game thats on this genre and i actually enjoyed was remnant 1/2

highly recommend if you haven't played

[jade jackal]

im not huge into soulslikes

[radiant helm]

Me neither, but this particular one is quite good

[jade jackal]

Besides that - I may just keep trying D4, but idk how a company this rich can work this slow

and be this unimaginitive

[radiant helm]

yeah D4 i dropped long ago, as i said here previously, an end-game dlc for d2 would have been more productive

Just add diablo 3 end-game into d2 resurrected, pretend diablo 4 never existed and boom

[jade jackal]

I honestly think D3 still has more replayability than D4

[desert jasper]

... yes?
not sure what you're talking about here really
the guide is paladin and is being played as paladin and you want to know if it's playable as paladin?

[radiant helm]

And it doesn't make us feel like shoving a fork in the eyes over playing it

[compact kestrel]

no i mean i havent started yet loooking at builds is it like poe ? like different spells etc gems or all spells are fix and not so complex ?

[jade jackal]

D3, somehow through the noise is able to give me 10 times more fun via "presets" of endgame farming than D4. This might be related to the fact im too familiar with the game mechanics, but maybe its straightforwardness is what keeps it better

It doesnt pretend it gives you options, that eventually dont matter

[radiant helm]

I'm no game maker or anything so i won't pretend to have all the answers for everything

But besides grapcs i can't find a single thing d4 did better then d3

d4 feels like a mobile game with pretty grapcs

[jade jackal]

visuals are pretty much it, i guess

D3's combat mechanics IMO are still left on top

[radiant helm]

And the voice acting...

[jade jackal]

idk what the older folks where cooking with this modified WC3 engine back in the mid 00's but it worked

[desert jasper]

Classes have their own spells so it's fixed. you can access some skills of the other masteries of your class but not all

[radiant helm]

"Nefalen, that cursed light... must be erradicated"

Still lurks around in my brain

[jade jackal]

combat queues, animation breaks, enemy CC

These are all pretty much as tight as this genre has got

If your combat is not punchy and responsive, you lose a lot in your ARPG

[compact kestrel]

tyyy

[radiant helm]

Yup, diablo 2 has better itemization i'd argue in some points(Tho the charm system was quite annoying lmao)
But diablo 3 was satisfying, simple as that, it felt good to play, felt like you wanted and needed one more run

[jade jackal]

Like, ask me why Sentinel and Rogue based masteries are my favorites in LE - they simply have the most responsive combat lol

[radiant helm]

Diablo 4 made me feel underwhelmed in a blizzard campaign for the first time in my life, and like

I didn't even pay for the game, it was a gift

i felt bad for the person that gifted me lol

[jade jackal]

I also was able to not pay for D4 thank goodness

[radiant helm]

But yeah, the DLC also solved... nothing

For the first time in the franchise not even the expansion did it

that just goes to show how much is wrong there

[jade jackal]

We're just not so much the target audience for this game

Its just below the depth we are looking for, and we have to come to terms with that

[radiant helm]

Its true

Still, genuinely sad to think about it tho

[jade jackal]

You know when a casual game's direction change? once they lose just enough of their playerbase and decides to go "FINE, what do you want us to do"

[radiant helm]

Destiny 2 on release was like that

They stripped everything down compared to destiny 2, nearly died in a year

then bungie had to fix everything with the expansion

And they actually did a great job, shame they fumbled the bag again doing the same mistakes, again somehow.

But yeah, D4 combat isn't bad, if they fixed the mobile game itemization, made end-game more then a battlepass farming and put on better options on the skill tree... then maybe we can have something there

But they won't do that, they'll drag that for wathever many years as long as they can sell more DLCs

[jade jackal]

D4 combat, visuals and design is 100% fine

its systems and progression are absolute dog taint

It really likes wasting your time

The idea that the dev team decided to that for 3-4-5 seasons the best thing they can do is work on temporary power systems instead of taking care of permanant core-game systems is just beyond me

What a misdirected mess

Its very much the opposite of LE, which at least recognizes there's a lot of work ahead of it

LE has a lot of indie jank, and this forced 4 month season showed us that the road ahead is still long

[radiant helm]

I do 100% agree, i've listed my issues with LE here before as we have chatted even, and it has many of those, i mean, before .92 it genuinely felt like a bad asset flip everytime i saw a video about it, then i gave it a chance once MP came out and the game been getting better and better since, so yeah, hopefully wathever they do with that krafton money only pushes us forward.

Also on that note one thing i forgot

besides grapcs, if i have to give one thing to d4...

having a character creator is really cool, i like it, wish all arpgs did have one too

but then thats about it

[jade jackal]

The transmog system?

I think its solid enough, sure

Its something LE should do - a station that lets you select between all armor pieces you have broken down so far, no matter the tier

mix and match, recolor

[radiant helm]

Not just it, but the fact you can actually make your character

instead of predetermined characters as is in epoch

i don't like when games make classes tied to characters, so thats one positive thing i can say about d4

[radiant helm]

Allowing recolor of MTX items would also be really cool

[jade jackal]

D4 has the advantages of highly detailed and properly reflective / refractive material system

This is one of the strong advantages of being the owner of your own game engine

LE's cosmetics have very muddy and dull shapes relatively

We're also into a second season of skill cosmetics and many skills have yet to get their first cosmetic

and i dont even want to get into UI of the whole thing, very proof-of-concepty, but i guess this is some of the... indie charm

[narrow token]

Hopefully they can shake that off in the coming year.

[radiant helm]

Also one comment about skill MTX

[jade jackal]

everything is just bunched, nothing is organized

[radiant helm]

They do the pricings thenselves, but like, if a SKILL cosmetic cost as much as an full set of armor that will fit any character

Does that make sense?

I have 300 points that i never spent cause something else will release and i know i'll regret

that kinda bothers me a bit

i'm playing AOD, this dark ritual looks amazing, i love it, but 150? nah

[jade jackal]

lol i just discovered that v2 leads you nowhere, its not in the store

also those are 15 dollars, and are not even recolors

[unique creek]

What I’m hearing is that the MTX shop feels underbaked, unfinished and unpolished

Which, tbh, I’m ok with as long as the game is the opposite, which LE is for the most part

How many times have we seen a game come out and the only thing that works is the MTX shop?
The fact that LE went the opposite route is a huge W

[narrow token]

Idk if it's a W, but it does speak to their priorities

[jade jackal]

Im willing to give LE the benefit of being an indie studio under major community pressure for now

But now that there's a new owner - these things need to be prioritized

[unique creek]

And I’m hearing all good things on what’s being said there

[jade jackal]

Like, LE was having nearly 0 promotion on their early MTX

which sounds like a good consumer thing, but it was actually pretty bad for business

People called them out on "hiding" cosmetic promotions, for real

im talking season 0 and 1 era

Patch overviews didnt include any MTX talk

[unique creek]

I’d rather the prioritize them adding more story, a better end game loop, and general game balance over the cash shop

[jade jackal]

yeah, of course

gameplay first

the all too familiar saying lol

[unique creek]

I’d be happy with them completely ignoring the cash shop in favor of more gameplat