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[gilded elm]

Good idea, I should try to get my character imported into GrimTools

[junior oyster]

Oh wait you posted above

[gilded elm]

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2djK60Z tf I'm missing a ton of skill and attribute points according to GrimTools lol

[junior oyster]

It hows your char as 100 that's why

You can change it to the level you are currently

[gilded elm]

No, I'm 100, which means I missed some quests somewhere

[junior oyster]

Ah yea some secret quests and shit probably

https://www.grimtools.com/checklist/

[gilded elm]

Nice, thanks

Just gotta do the stuff on Ultimate I think, should give me the points I missed on Normal/Elite if any

Oh okay, a lot of it is Shattered Realm

[junior oyster]

I'd probably lose some points from blast shield

Put some in explosive strike

And 1 point in thermite mines probably

[gilded elm]

Another button?! jk lol

[junior oyster]

I guess you can technically only lose 2 points

If you want 5% max res

And you have guardian so nvm

[gilded elm]

Yeah, love the guardians. Though, maybe Flame Torrent isn't the best devotion skill to put on there.

Did it mostly because it's fire and low cooldown

[junior oyster]

You have 6 points to earn

I guess you could remove 2 from blast shield and put those + the 6 into explosive?

[gilded elm]

Yeah maybe, I guess there's no way here I can reach Brimstone eh?

[junior oyster]

Why would you want that?

[gilded elm]

Mostly because I don't have Burn Modifiers right now

Or, not a lot

[junior oyster]

Brimstone won't help you

You either do dot or you do hit damage

[gilded elm]

Explosive Strike still has to convert from Phys to Fire for most of the non-burn damage

[junior oyster]

Going both is practically a disaster

[gilded elm]

Yeah I also still have other sources of phys damage that needs to be converted anyway, so I should probably focus on getting as much conversion from phys to fire as I can. That will naturally bring up the Explosive Strike damage as well

[junior oyster]

If you want to get to brimstone you'd have to remove points from skills like blast shield and/or default attacks

Ngl I usually just have 1 point in blast shield xD

Is it correct? Probably not lol

[gilded elm]

My survivability right now is kind of a mess. Might just be a problem with recovery

Are you normally relying on attack to health conversion, or HP regeneration, or some vitality damage?

[junior oyster]

I use my main skill on either bat or ghoul devotion usually

[gilded elm]

Ah, ghoul.

[junior oyster]

Obviously it depends on the build and what kind of devotions I need

It's not always possible or right to get those devotions

[gilded elm]

I might have overinvested in defensive devotions, when something like Ghoul would suffice

[junior oyster]

Probably but can't guarantee. Again I'm no pro lol

[gilded elm]

I have Dryad's Blessing, Turtle Shell, Shield Wall and Stone Form lmao

Might be too much

[junior oyster]

Yea lol

[gilded elm]

I realize now my problem isn't taking a hit, it's recovering lost HP

[junior oyster]

Also it's almost a classic thing to take at least one of these three

[sand wigeon]

Skyrim…

[junior oyster]

And if you do go left/down you might want to grab ulzuins torch

[gilded elm]

I went Light of Empyrion, guessing that makes trying to go for Ulzuin's Torch impossible

[junior oyster]

Well if you go for ghoul/bat it might mess up your tree but then again maybe not

[gilded elm]

We'll see, gonna mess around with it in GrimTools to see. I had left over points too that I had to put into something without completing a constellation, so I could pull those out as well

[junior oyster]

Just wanna say

In the same location you also have

[gilded elm]

Hm, Light of Empyrion seems also really good but the big difference between Ulzuin's Torch seems to be that LoE is more focused on Fire hit damage specifically and Torch is more about Fire+Burn together. Interesting

[junior oyster]

You also have this

On bot

Although it has only 1 burn node

[gilded elm]

A lot of retaliation, maybe something I should be looking into as well. I heard Fire retaliation is the strongest retaliation build currently

And Demo/Oathkeeper has a bunch of retaliation stuff too

[junior oyster]

If you go retal then you basically don't go burn I think?

And for retal you probably try to go more defensive

[gilded elm]

Argh, true. You'd also want to lower your defensive ability a bit as well so you get hit more I assume.

[junior oyster]

Nah

You'll get hit no matter how high your DA is

Especially by tougher mob

[gilded elm]

I always thought the most important thing was to have enough DA so you don't get crit

[junior oyster]

It reduces it and lowers the damage from it if you are hit

But if you deal no damage you are a dead man walking xD

[gilded elm]

Ah, so it does both. Decreases chance to be crit and reduces enemy crit modifier. I just remember people saying 3k is basically the sweet spot for doing Celestials

Okay, I could also pick up Fissure again if I'm going towards the left side of the Devotion tree

[gilded elm]

Okay, redid devotions, lost some HP/DA but gained a significant amount of OA. Need to fix resistances and we'll see how it does

Damage seems similar if not better, but it should be way better once the Devotion skills are more leveled up too

The trash mob clear is way, way better now though.

Assuming most of it is Explosive Strike and Meteor Shower

[gilded elm]

Definitely better now, just gotta fix resistances and get these Devotion skills leveled up https://www.grimtools.com/calc/nZoeEqQ2

[gilded elm]

Devil's Crossing rep is such a pain

[junior oyster]

The only thing I hate more is increasing cronley rep

[desert jasper]

Oh yea
I hated grinding for those
These days I always have those things in stash that I can just consume to get increased rep gain for the factions

[sage flame]

I turned my brain off yesterday and pushed normal SR to 20 because I'm a little too weak for ultimate on this character

Korba refuses to drop but I farmed a few MIs with cold and attack speed

Then went to forgotten gods and a shrine dropped me the +targets to savagery sword

That's gonna carry me until I grab the set

[sage flame]

Ultimate SR* because campaign is chill

I've been unlucky so far and no ugdenbog leather blueprint, which is what hurts the most

[fierce moth]

Employers from Europe are prohibited to ask salary history on laws, is it?

[desert jasper]

no..?

[fierce moth]

..... Another problem I never can understand then

[maiden widget]

Salary history as in how much you earn?

[fierce moth]

Asked deepseek, said too low on salary history will left impression that I'm too cheap, boss will hesitate for will I worth to pay for the amount I asked.

If I said too high on salary, boss will think I'm overqualified or too expensive.

[fierce moth]

Yes

[maiden widget]

They could ask how much you make currently but you don't have to prove it anyway here in Germany so might as well lie a bit

Mostly they ask how much you target

[fierce moth]

If I said similar average, they ask why I want to work in their company

none of them is easy to answer

[maiden widget]

Because you want to broaden your knowledge, learn about a new industry, see more possible growth in their company

Won't hurt to go higher anyway as there's a bit of a negoation room always

[desert jasper]

Could also claim that the values of the company align with yours

Also location can be good too

[junior oyster]

Nice upgrade

[desert jasper]

Just a small one

[gilded elm]

Nice

[junior oyster]

Not died at all to any boss so far and then some random skele mage goes and kills me xD

[gilded elm]

Veteran ain't a joke

[abstract karma]

Veteran - normal = Normal.. so it doesnt matter if you start playing GD from start with veteran

[junior oyster]

It kinda does if you want more elites but otherwise not much difference other than diff ofc

[abstract karma]

that just better to learn the game..
Being challenging from start but without heavy spikes is best for ARPG's

[junior oyster]

And another upgrade

Ty shrine totems

[sage flame]

A spike I noticed on my latest character that I've never done before is, going from normal (no forgotten gods) straight to ultimate was definitely an experience but I did get impatient

Did that at around 65 I believe

But I'm currently doing forgotten gods on ultimate and it's smoothed out after getting some gear

I've forgotten how the main game can actually get hard if you go too underleveled compared to LE

[fierce moth]

Great, I screwed an artwork up for the first time

The colour difference from green I made by the same colours and the same steps is too obvious

I just used the wrong way to colour so let my beautiful sketch become a trash

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3efLWo1Pes&t=819s

The latest speculation about poe 2 0.3.0!

[fierce moth]

🤔 If they release act 4 & 5 together then maybe we don't need to replay acts in campaign

[desert jasper]

That's not official news
That's just speculation.

I could say "They'll actually release act 7" and it would be as valid as that...

Essentially just clickbait

Just like "I've got insider information that Bloodborne is getting PC release in 2025"

[fierce moth]

Learnt what clickbait is now

No idea what will their druid play like, but caster + beast transform looks interesting because I like anything relevant to casters

What feature of skills in poe 2 I like the best is the interaction between different skills, the most familiar example is flame wall + spark or the bell + melee attack

hah... The pity is ssl connection error block me from playing poe 2 even I want to play.

[desert jasper]

kirra it's late
go sleep

[fierce moth]

https://x.com/DarthMicroT/status/1956463753001828435/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1956463753001828435&currentTweetUser=DarthMicroT

My Jesus, the process of voice acting sounds too funny because... No offense, numance with the sound when I want to 🤮

😂 😂 😂 😂 God I just can't stop to laugh when I think that

This type of work is throat-consuming, my throat can't support me to try that at all

[muted parrot]

Wait..do you mean Silksong doesn’t release in three weeks? 😦
/j

[muted parrot]

I think people often forget that voice acting is a job so you need to train your voice, learn to use it in different ways and practice a lot

[gilded elm]

A lot of overlap between audiobook narration and video game voice acting too. You can really see the range of characters the actors can voice in an audiobook, it's insane to hear people like Emma Gregory, Andrew Wincott, Johnathan Keeble narrate audiobooks for years and then later apply that skill to video games.

[gilded elm]

Cozy GD

[blissful token]

Damn poe 2 trailer twitch drop on this Sat 4 am my local time

I am 💤

Dahell it last till 1pm same day my time

So the twitch drop only last 9 hours

Have to watch 45 mins

Means latest 12pm i gotta start

[desert jasper]

Yeaa it's at 11pm my time

[fierce moth]

I even don't know what their twitch drop is after watched the video

It mean the effect after an enemy is died?

🤭 poe 2 and le always on the same line. I dislike twitch drop from both of them this time

[desert jasper]

Yes, the effect that happens when rare enemy dies

I don't really care enough for it
not gonna bother staying awake for it

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1863430/view/834973992999714958
The bridge concept is very fresh, the platform concept is combined side quests in d4's style and Rahyeh's Wave Dash (?)

[fierce moth]

lol the right side have a sense of chaos (I'm trying to learn how to use brushes)

Forget to separate layers... Hah need to start that again

[acoustic jungle]

#📚┃off-topic message

The last edit was ~110k+ peak. Unfortunately, not too many people that I can tell played (both extensively or touched the game in some way) will not come back for S3.

The reasons remain the same, but I personally feel like the previews they put out would actually change people's perceptions of the main mechanic, and win so many of them over. Alas, without being too specific, practically nobody read the patch notes and/or watched the long preview video. This is data for like 90% of the entire internet, so, it's dead-accurate. People made up their minds back then, and didn't check the patch further - rerunning the sentiment analysis over people who had a negative view of the patch doesn't show A LOT of improvement. I am seeing inconclusive data for ~15-20k people, hence why it's now a wider range.

The model is accurate-as-can-be. It obviously cannot (nothing can) take into account wildcards such as PoE fumbling the bag, or other major events like big streamers deciding to hop in. Bar any events like that, if the game gets past ~100k peak, I'd be shocked. If it does, the dropoff will be nuclear, even starting form day 2-3 of the patch.

Last update about this before the season launches.

Genuinely hope am wrong. It's not the end of the world, but more is always better.

[quick verge]

Are there any good anime recommendations？

Someone recommended me to come to this digression channel to ask

They recommended me to watch The Silent Witch

[fierce moth]

Chinese version of beef puff pastry, minced beef with green onions, salt and cumin to be seasoned, very cheap so vegetables more than meat

(I tried that for the first time)

99% flavour come from cumin and green onions 😅

Searched for beef puff pastry from another countries, they uses tenderloin to cook that... Damn that's quite luxurious 🙃

Cheese/streaks/butter/lamb/pizza are commonly expensive here because they need to imported from Europe/they're western food/not common food to eat

[desert jasper]

Never seen a pastry with tenderloin in it

[blissful token]

Isnt that wellington?

[desert jasper]

Yeah, beef wellington is the only one that comes to mind

[blissful token]

Inb4 vlad inpales me for mixing things up

[desert jasper]

Like the pastries I've seen usually have ground beef, maybe mix of beef & pork

Or even sausage or wiener

[blissful token]

Thats something something shepard's pie?

vlad pls dont impale me x2

[desert jasper]

shepherd's pie isn't a pastry

That's an impaling offense, sorry

[blissful token]

Whats the name of teh meat pie

Is pie not pastry?

[desert jasper]

[blissful token]

I knew i am ded when i see that

[desert jasper]

It's more like a casserole, really

I should make some shepherd's pie again tbh

[fierce moth]

Hah that's an interesting concept for mini light...

9 types in total. I like the gothic cathedral the most for sure.

They're cool collections but unfortunately I have no idea where should it be placed in my room

😂 I meet my bag suddenly. Ok I will get one!

The old bag have used 2 years and very dirty. But I don't buy a new one all the time because no idea which one is my tea.

Know your worth.
Stop overthinking.
Let life flow.
Be greatful.
Learn and grow.
Be yourself.
Take your time.

[ebon meadow]

1 rule for me ,you like it you buy it specially if it's a utility for you ,it's your earnings and sometimes u need to make you self a bit more happier

Same for work for me ,you want me to work good and be happy give the utility and tools that can do the work instead of working with hammer and chisel lol

That is specific for work wear ,being comfy is a must

Wait the new patch is this Thursday? I just started my vacation Pog actually can have a league start and don't care about next morning work

[desert jasper]

Yeah, this Thursday

[fierce moth]

@obtuse rune good morning, remember to stay hydrated, how's going?

[obtuse rune]

Beeeeeeeeusy~ but good. Hope you are well!

[fierce moth]

Yes... But why company willing to give you utility tools to let you do your work well? 🤔

Well... They need you to prove you're experienced and you're stable to stay here for years.

But unfortunately, I can't prove myself 😭

Too much people available for selecting, so companies just more strict.

[desert jasper]

Now what on earth could keep you busy during the launch week 🤔
I simply have no idea

[fierce moth]

🙃 I know my family will never give me any support so I can depend on myself only...

They just can promise I will not die by the starve.

[fierce moth]

Busy to play le. Simple.

[ebon meadow]

That's the controversial issue they want you to learn they should give you the equipment required to do the job not push your limits on what can you with less

The issue I always have with work it's the foot wear if you give me 2 kg on each foot boots then expect me to cripple after 2 weeks some of them are just so bad for you're feet

Yes we need to wear metal/ plastic point but holy some working shoes are very very bad

[fierce moth]

But you need money. So you have to wear them.

[ebon meadow]

At least now I just get them my self and company pays ,boots ,gloves even a cutter

[ebon meadow]

It's not the money it's working comfortable for extended period of time

[fierce moth]

You can't change the overall environment for jobs, it's excellent of you owns a job even it's chaos

[ebon meadow]

They still make money with you working ,just give good gear to work with or at least a descent basic

I do have a good salary also my job pays over a half to government for insurance

My contract is almost 4 k a month and I only get 1.3 k out of it

Rest are taxes and insurance since I work with machinery with blades

[fierce moth]

That's what I envy at you to be honest... Lots of Chinese can rest 3-4 days per month only and many of them must work 8h+ per day

[ebon meadow]

I have worked for 12 hours a day with one day of a week

Yea it sucks but that's the point if you gonna push me at least give a decent working environment

And the gear and tool to do so

[fierce moth]

Definitely agree with your opinions but lots of bosses will not consider that.
They just want to hire someone with less cost

[ebon meadow]

I worked at a resort and had to deal with a dirty water deputator .... It took me month and a half before I lost the smell sence completely from hidro chloride before I got gas mask

[ebon meadow]

The sad part there that is true and they expect person to actually not only fulfill the job but also evolute at what you do

[desert jasper]

Yeaa I don't think it's playing LE that's keeping Van busy now

[ebon meadow]

Like man you gave a stick and stone to make a rocket and you expect more

[fierce moth]

Yes I don't think so too, he is busy at monitor us.

[desert jasper]

that's not the only thing a community manager does 😉

[fierce moth]

Oh I see. He's chat with Kain about how to write an announcement and making many jokes.

I have an impression for Americans is they're good at making jokes

[desert jasper]

Anybody can make jokes

[fierce moth]

I need something can convert negative mood to positive mood and settle in my brain at first

[ebon meadow]

Even Germans the humour is a bit different though

[fierce moth]

I lack of a filter like that

[desert jasper]

even my autistic ass can make jokes
Different thing is if they're funny for the person hearing

[ebon meadow]

I live a country that even elders speak in puns and punches lol you end up finding a leaf floating funny at end

[desert jasper]

I tried explaining what a pun is to my mother
she didn't quite get it

[ebon meadow]

Can't even say good day sometimes because the reply mostly be "for you maybe.. "

[fierce moth]

Too many things my dad and my mum don't get/never know

The gap of different generations

Their biggest hobby is scrolling short videos

[ebon meadow]

Wait till you get over 30 lol then you l see generation gaps

Sometimes I prefer new gen of kids sometimes I think that is sad that everyone that born before 1980 that still had some manners left are going away

1980 to 1996 just a perfect age we got good from both sides

New gens are missing the will of having a question of what and why ,careless completely .old ones are still locked on no changes and I know better that you

[desert jasper]

I was talking to someone recently because we were both working out at the gym
and then she said that yeah she was born in 00
I suddenly felt way older than I actually am

[fierce moth]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
Van, I want to ask a le's question. Can you help me please?

[obtuse rune]

Can't make any promises as that is a more immediate dev question and will give it some time for folks to come in and check around. Give it a day or so maybe

Its a little early for some folks still

[ebon meadow]

I m 9 years older but yea the interesting conversation gap gets very big lol

And I usually can give a good conversation to anyone ,I m very curious person

[desert jasper]

Wait, am I older than you? 🤔

But yeah, I've got endless curiosity towards most things

[ebon meadow]

Yea I m 1991 lul still a pup

But this middle part is confusing for me between ages the gaps are so big

Also I have met world's biggest djs as I was growing my teenage age and also started gaming very hard in 2016 . Literally a two worlds hybrid

Well more like is started heavy gaming in 2018 when I started making videos I had to much free time

Life experience is just have experience at least once in life trying thing you curious for .once don't make it bad 98% of the time

[desert jasper]

Ah yea, I am indeed one year older than you

[ebon meadow]

1989-1991 is like 3k people that are close to me

Town fellows I grew up with

Spain towns are different we all eat at same tables in summer lol

Best party years transitioning in to great electro music

[desert jasper]

Man, I wouldn't like that
same tables

[ebon meadow]

Literally same tables

I live in old town now it's closed of to traffic at summer so people dine at night here all together

It's like a freaking Valhalla

It was always funny to me work wise ,we shit on same sector of work and we eat together at holidays

So dumb

Like I have a drink with all town carpenters at least one day a week

[junior oyster]

Bruh when did they add a voiceline to shaper of flesh xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltAiITj57rY

Haha fighting him behind the barrier

[abstract karma]

such early "haxer"

[junior oyster]

Very nice an upgrade for one of my guns

[gilded elm]

Level 54? Damn boi, you grinding

[junior oyster]

Still in vet too lol

Kinda forget just how big grim dawn is when you include all dlc

[gilded elm]

Could probably get to 70+ in Vet pretty quickly too if you do all the DLC

[junior oyster]

Nah 60~

[gilded elm]

I think I went to Ultimate around 70 lol

[junior oyster]

Unless you stall

[gilded elm]

I did everything, almost full exploration

Most of it wasn't even on Veteran lmao

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm halfway done with a7 lol

[abstract karma]

hmm ? I went here or there when scaling first came (mainly for grinding cycles like items in all bosses).. but i was able reach in normal to lvl 90

Probably i was doing something wrong when you can clean game under 70 lvl 😄

[gilded elm]

How rare is this?

[woven rain]

Anyone got a rec for an MMO mouse that is NOT one with extra buttons all crammed into the side? One like the steelseries WoW cataclysm mouse

[fierce moth]

👀 lol

What? Bingo games in le version? Very fresh

[blissful token]

First thing to spot

[fierce moth]

@south gust I need to make it clear...

1. What does it count as bingo, I can fill with the whole spreadsheet or I can draw a line?
2. We need to play all of 4 bingo games or just pick one of them?

[south gust]

either one. Play it however you want.

[fierce moth]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
Plus that

[fierce moth]

I like Mike forget the teaser in the middle of stream the most

[quick verge]

👉 ☺️ 👈

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup please call server administrator to fix ssl connection error bug before 0.3.0 patch note is out 🙏

That's common issue for client of Poe and Poe 2 so I think I can access 2 games by single fix

[junior stirrup]

^_^

[desert jasper]

I'm not having that issue
It's most likely your pc that's causing the issues, Kirra

[junior stirrup]

I've dug deep into it. While the problem lies near Kirra, probably from national Internet connectivity reasons, there might be things that could be done to mitigate it.

[fierce moth]

Maybe Tencent team will know what's wrong on Guangzhou's internet

[fierce moth]

I have no idea how I lived with this shit for so long.

lol deep resonance. Just too much weakness we can't be avoided and escaped

But what I feel happy with Deias is you have a chance to control your weakness by medicine at least. I even can't afford them But... Yes I prefer to stay away from this chaos environment at first if I have enough budgets.

Damn firm mattress I just want soft one.

[tawny sand]

i've had a broken mattress for a while, i should get a new one.

i kind of just also don't care

so i sleep on the floor a lot

[desert jasper]

I should get a new mattress tbh
I just find myself unable to get comfortable on my current one

[jade jackal]

new mattress changed my life

[desert jasper]

Tbh i sometimes just sleep on the floor or sofa to sleep on something different

[rain furnace]

Frog

[desert jasper]

What a good froge

[jade jackal]

😍🥹

[rain furnace]

When i sleep, I wake up under my bed sometimes

[desert jasper]

I barely move during sleep
The one time I woke up from the floor while falling asleep on the bed is because the ex pushed me off in her sleep

[vagrant topaz]

Wow!!! is that yours ?

[jade jackal]

I wish. no. But that Kestrel needs help

[vagrant topaz]

Ah

Poor thing

[jade jackal]

My visitors are usually healthy

[vagrant topaz]

Visitors ?

What are you doing for a living ?

[jade jackal]

Nothing to do with animals lol, im talking about feeder birds

when its not birds, its usually cats

[desert jasper]

Cats are wonderful

[jade jackal]

At work i get my dog supply, as our workplace allows dog

some of them are too cute for me to be productive

[jade jackal]

cutie

[fierce moth]

and @desert jasper
do you lying straight to fall asleep?

I must side-lying to fall asleep so my shoulders get pressured on firm mattrass always.

[desert jasper]

I can't sleep on my back at all.
On my side only

[fierce moth]

Oh lying down? It need special pillows definitely

[vagrant topaz]

Sleep on my belly

[desert jasper]

I don't have special pillows
or well, I do have one but it's kinda hard. Got it as a... gift? some time ago
I think it was a gift

[fierce moth]

I have used a pillow with a hole in the middle to take a nap on desk while I'm in senior high school

Anyways, impossible to be cosy to sleep on a desk

[fierce moth]

....?????????

[desert jasper]

I did once fall asleep in my chair
fell to the floor and woke up from my bed

[vagrant topaz]

Could have added my wife

[fierce moth]

yes, please

[desert jasper]

But that could just be you laying on your back and looking to the side 🤔

[fierce moth]

where your wife is?

[vagrant topaz]

My paint skills are through the roof

[fierce moth]

That's what I mean by "side-lying". I can't fall asleep without this step

This is the wrong pose for falling asleep.

[desert jasper]

Yeah I kinda do that too
just my legs aren't folded

[fierce moth]

lol I wonder how Vlad breathe while his wife put her left arm on his face

[fierce moth]

I tried not to fold legs, I can't

Too much pressure on right leg or left leg if legs aren't folded and separated as a scissors

[desert jasper]

I've a long pillow that I put the other one on and also my other arm over it

[fierce moth]

Oh that type of pillow... It give a lot of pressure on my belly

[desert jasper]

It's very soft

[fierce moth]

lol I'm too young for loot-based ARPG circles, it's fine.
But... I'm too young on finding references for building the concept of maps too...
Golden eye: A 1995 action spy film.
.......... Never hear that. Poor knowledge about films I have

How he think golden eye is available for this theme... It's what I wonder the most

Go back to Chinese exams.

The exam require me to write an article with 800 words at least.
The most excellent articles must come from someone who have learnt different things on various areas for a long time (read different books, collect different slangs, tried different tones, experienced many things)

Hah alright, that's an other type of Chinese exam.

Cool, just knew corals sorted as soft and hard 15s ago

[fierce moth]

I think we need a grid "any pre-download/pre-load?".

[junior oyster]

While I didn't die to korvaak there is no doubt he is the hardest act boss

So far

[desert jasper]

He sure is

[tawny sand]

i sleep in what's the most comfortable at the time

i can sleep on my side, back, or stomach

[fierce moth]

Single captain is available here only.

[narrow token]

Oh Captain my Captain?

[tranquil garnet]

#news message
What's a CM, that's mentioned a few times there?

[tawny sand]

community manager

[fierce moth]

It's the 1st anniversary of black myth: Wukong

[tawny sand]

they announced a new black myth game at gamescom

black myth: zhong kui

[fierce moth]

Maybe I can play their game when they release... The 10th game

I want the society go back to the era before the COVID

Because I never know what the feeling that I select companies instead of companies select me

[keen wind]

Sameee, though I also need the arm I'm resting on under the pillow

And only resting on my right side works

So I'll be watching something while on my left side until I get sleepy enough to turn away from the screen and onto the right side

[blissful token]

Didnt read/watch gamescom but zhong kui is a fierce deity in the underworld maintaining order and deal with ghosts

Maybe its time for black myth wukong to fight zhong kui in hell which is depicted in some novel

[gilded elm]

I got the impression you are going to play as Zhong Kui, as in another character adaptation from Chinese folkore/mythology as part of the Black Myth series.

[blissful token]

Destined one Zhong Kui?

[gilded elm]

Maybe something similar to Wukong, yeah. But who knows, maybe you do actually play as the "real deal."

Geoff Keighley ends the Zhong Kui segment by giving assurances that the Black Myth "westward journey" won't end here. Sounds like code for "Wukong DLC is also/still on the way," referring to Wukong / Journey to the West.

[twilit mountain]

"Westward journey won't end here":

[blissful token]

Wait

[desert jasper]

no

[blissful token]

We getting masquerade bloodline 2??

[desert jasper]

Yes and it looks bad

[blissful token]

Whr silksong?

[blissful token]

Oh is it? I havent looked for it just saw some article headline

I wanna play as vampire tho

The last vampire game i played was vampyr

[desert jasper]

They've been making it for like
4 years or something
and basically the characters look exactly the same
like almost no difference between male & female models
the writers seem... not good either

[blissful token]

Which is just so-so

[desert jasper]

Meanwhile in the original masquerade the male & female models were completely different

[blissful token]

Ooo

[fierce moth]

I understand what the biggest trouble for me to find a job as an concept artist is finally.

Never know how important communication in the process is

That's why I have no idea how to make videos to show my process. I refuse to communicate with another people with my ideas because I think my ideas are worthless and that's no sense.

Well the truth is renders only are no sense, on the opposite. They can provide zero useful info to another artists.

I reversed their tiers

[desert jasper]

@finite stratus "is poe 2 any good"
Well not really
has potential to be good but it's lacking in pretty much every aspect extremely badly

[finite stratus]

Oh thats sad

[desert jasper]

Like for 0.2.0 they nerfed all player dmg massively up to like 85% on some builds
While also making loot worse and doubling enemy hp... and on top of that quadruple rare enemy hp (for total 8x hp)
it's missing like 90% of the content and when they claimed it's going to be 1 year early access they just lied because there's no way it'll be out by the end of this year

getting ascendancy is behind the worst mechanics in the game.
sanctum and ultimatum stuff.
there will be a 3rd thing but who knows when that comes out (if it comes out)

[finite stratus]

Tf

That sounds annoying af

I hope they fix it by next year

[desert jasper]

There's also only 3 acts currently
crafting is 100% rng fest
armor is useless in the game. like you can't get enough of it and it's just worse in reducing dmg than Poe1

[finite stratus]

I wanted to try it

[finite stratus]

Oh

[maiden widget]

They never claimed it's going to be 1year

Approximately how long will this game be in Early Access?
“As long as needed. We believe it will be at least 6 months.”

[finite stratus]

Damn

[desert jasper]

Anyway, it'll be probably out by 2030

At this pace they're going

[finite stratus]

Gg

So ill just wait for full release

[maiden widget]

Yeah best to wait

[finite stratus]

Sad was excited to try that

[desert jasper]

Tbh 2030 is exaggeration
but I'm not touching it again until it's fully out or they make some massive changes

[finite stratus]

But i am a big fan of last epoch

So ig its fine

Dropped some 3 lps and a 2 lp red ring this league was super fun

[desert jasper]

Like I don't expect it to be poe1
but you know how bad it feels when you're playing warrior and armor is useless and you don't get a new weapon for like 30 levels during the campaign?

And pretty much all the slams are super slow because action speed doesn't speed the attack for them

Hell, the first slam you get is worse than your basic attac

[finite stratus]

Wtf

Sounds like dark souls

But more pain

[desert jasper]

Sure, in the end game you get access to the recombinator that allows you to select the affixes you want
but it's like 5% or something even if you select only 2 things

so good luck with that

[maiden widget]

for a special hellish levelling exp use the totems they give you as warrior

even with +level gear its abysmally bad and worse than auto

[desert jasper]

Yeah
In 0.1.0 totems were strong... but not in the intended way of using them
but that was against the end game bosses

[maiden widget]

well the ballistas are still ok the melee totems suck

[fierce moth]

@obtuse rune Good morning, remember to stay hydrated, how's going?

[fierce moth]

@gilded elm I'm curious about a question, are you play horror action adventure games?

🤔 Silent hill f looks interesting if you're the fan of this game genre

Oh wait... Their trailers on steam have Chinese subtitles and Japanese vocal only... Such a pity

The level of their trailers is... Too insane. I'm done 2 trailers which over 3 mins without any pause. I usually no patience on watching pure story telling only trailers but... Very impressive their trailers are.

The screenshot is my favourite cut. The female protagonist is fall over and pass out on the bloody and foggy street.

A 3a game which I can't afford obviously but I'm attracted by their trailers... Very interesting

[desert jasper]

Konami does do their trailers well

[fierce moth]

I don't know Konami

Oh make sense that the game name is familiar. They released silent hill 2 with another game studio, bloober team. So that ip is in Konami's hand

I wonder why the studio what made silent hill f isn't Bloober team

[desert jasper]

Because silent hill 2 remake was just a remake

[vagrant topaz]

Got company while I study accounting 😄

[fierce moth]

But I don't know any people who visiting games in gamescom so I don't know if a demo available to play

[fierce moth]

Yarn is 🥱 on my chair

[desert jasper]

Maybe I'll just play some Heroes of Might & Magic 3 tomorrow while waiting for the patch 🤔

[fierce moth]

Oh... Occulist join in gamescom too. 😢 😭

[fierce moth]

Gamescom is started from today so I viewed the list of games which joined in this game showcase. Games are overwhelming...

These're many of them that interest me.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2947440/SILENT_HILL_f/
Top 1 game in this showcase definitely. The level of their trailers is... Too insane. I'm done 2 trailers which over 3 mins without any pause. I usually no patience on watching pure story telling only trailers but... Very impressive their trailers are.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2461440/Bylina/
Ok this ARPG have more info finally. 1:22 in the first trailer, the enemy's attack remind me of the similar poison bomb in poe 2

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3321460/Crimson_Desert/
A new Korean open world ARPG, which make sense on a bit familiar feelings with Chrono Odyssey. I mean fantasy mechanics and ride a house to run everywhere

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2108180/Swordhaven_Iron_Conspiracy/
lol that's too Chinese... First time to see a game have official forum on Baidu. But the UI looks too outdated. Just personal flavour. CRPG lovers maybe will take a gaze.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1902860/Light_Odyssey/
A indie soul-like ARPG which maybe come from Japan

🥱 A bit tired because too much info are imported in a short time. Let me give a pause and take a nap.

[tawny sand]

are you interested in the new one? Olden Era?

[desert jasper]

I've only played 3

[tawny sand]

ah okay

[blissful token]

Olden Era is going back to the homm 3 root

[sudden anchor]

@fierce moth hey! would you be so kind and bless us with a unique itemart? that would be so cool, to see you create an entire item and if you want stats/backstory too.

[fierce moth]

Do you mean item icon + item stats or item icon only?

[sudden anchor]

however you want! i imagine it would be natural to have a item stats design in mind too during all the time you spend on this craft, but its upto you if you wanna share it

i would like to see it tho.

so, both ^^

[fierce moth]

EHG have designed one already.

[maiden widget]

i was hyped to see dawn of war 4 and hope they make a good campaign this time just like DoW2

[pine summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIQpH3asrMk

they're adding path tracing!

[narrow token]

Another gacha?

[fierce moth]

Why I posted this gif:
#💬┃general message

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/s/Ex0YtyRnN7

Such a happy twist lol

[radiant helm]

huh

The wolcen devs announced their new ARPG

[desert jasper]

wat

[radiant helm]

Yeah they announced their new game on the future games show

God death and reapers

Not sure if the timing was really smart

but lets see how it goes

[desert jasper]

Eh It'll probably be terrible

Like I would literally never go advertising "I was one of the devs on Wolcen"

[radiant helm]

I mean, wolcen wasn't THAT terrible, but i do agree with you, not very smart

They even changed the name of their studio to Wolcen studio

[desert jasper]

If only they hadn't scrapped the game 5 times since it got funded and was in early access
it was originally going to be called "Umbra" and was going to have mod support, not fully online

Hell, they had beautiful videos of the player character climbing around stuff

[muted parrot]

never played Wolcen but saw the new game, looks pretty boring and to me.. no interest in pvpve 😬

[desert jasper]

wolcen isn't pvp

[muted parrot]

I mean the new one

[radiant helm]

The new one is pvp

[desert jasper]

Ah yea I didn't check the new one
but if it's pvp? yeah not gonna bother

It's dead out of the door

[muted parrot]

that's also my opinion..why not just make a better arpg with the experience they gained?
But the reputation of the studio isn't that great :S

[radiant helm]

I paid 4$ for it, i'm not excusing the mess the studio and devs made and how much they broken promises and stuff, they did tons of mistakes and the game is far from perfect, not to mention its 100% an warhammer rip off in the aesthetics, that said, i paid far more for far worse games.

[desert jasper]

They probably have the worst rep out of the current studios really

[radiant helm]

For example lol

[muted parrot]

roguelikes still so popular 😬 so many coming

[radiant helm]

This was a far worse purchase compared to wolcen lol

[desert jasper]

I can't even check my hours in D4 really
only got it through blizzard launcher

but it's uhh... enough to get to max lvl at launch

And then I tried season 1
haven't tried it after that

[gilded elm]

Extraction-based ARPG. This sounds like another flop tbh.

[radiant helm]

Most likely i agree

But i'll give a fair shot to it

new isometric ARPGs don't come around too regularly

[gilded elm]

The gameplay footage / animations / UI looks really jank but I'll chalk that up to being alpha. The extraction part of the game just kills it for me.

[junior oyster]

It depends on genre but I usually ignore hades likes

[jade jackal]

I have heard the Wolcen Studios news

and seen their new project

And if anyone not - knock yourself out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSTRdDLKPmo

[desert jasper]

Why am I still awake at this hour tbh
I guess I'll just stay up to watch the poe2 news

[gilded elm]

Yeah "roguelike" is such a massive umbrella genre that encompasses many other genres.

[radiant helm]

We were just talking about it

Also i'll have to say

[junior oyster]

Despite how popular Hades is I dislike it for the roguelike aspect

[radiant helm]

Very bold of then to release their playtest between POE and LE lol

[jade jackal]

im talking about the new trailer

I have participated in the closed alphas

and so far the project have been disasterfully mismanaged

beware.

[radiant helm]

Worse then wolcen?

[gilded elm]

The fact that Wolcen was simply shut down without a real attempt to salvage it tells me most of what I need to know about Wolcen Studios

[jade jackal]

For the closed alpha testings of Pantheon they gave us extremely short and unrealistic time windows, wanted far too much information than what's acceptable of us

and made us sign draconian NDAs

[radiant helm]

Tbh as much as i actually liked wolcen, it was better like that, but i was hoping for a regular ARPG next instead of this extraction wathever

[jade jackal]

Who feels like a single day is a realistic time window for a build test, who feels like 4 hours is?

[gilded elm]

I don't have a high regard for companies that can't stand behind their failures and do the right thing and make it right. If Crate Entertainment can continue to support an extremely old and archaic game engine like Grim Dawn's, going even beyond just supporting, but developing new DLC as well, then Wolcen Studios has no excuse citing "game design decisions" and killing off the game entirely just because the work to redeem it would be too much.

[jade jackal]

Im not one to trashtalk devs, and i am a firm believer of fair second chances

I had to give EHG 10 chances

but just beware of this one

[muted parrot]

yeah same, imo they are not that fun to go through. You basically have the most basic gameplay at first and need to grind your way up to it being fun if ever and that's not to my liking. Hades was fun for a while tho especially how the story unfolds and finding out new stuff but once that's gone, it gets boring to me. But the genre seems to be massive now

[desert jasper]

I will keep that in mind.

[radiant helm]

Honestly sad to hear tbh, i had hoped they`d learned a thing or two

[desert jasper]

Thank you

[radiant helm]

Well, who knows hopefully they won't crash and burn again

[jade jackal]

There is a free open playtest

[desert jasper]

They'll burn within 4months

[jade jackal]

give it a try if you want

The official title is "Gods, Death & Reapers"

[gilded elm]

The way I see it, Wolcen Studios seems to have a clear leadership problem.

[jade jackal]

Previous Wolcen leadership is mostly gutted

[radiant helm]

Yeah i asked in the playtest on steam

[jade jackal]

Seems like the ownership of the studio has shifted

The same kind of blind pride, or at least a scent of it still seems to exist

[gilded elm]

I don't know anything about what kind of internal change the studio's leadership has gone through, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's like a Hi-Rez vs Prophecy Games situation where the same idiot is still basically in charge.

[desert jasper]

Aight, I'm gonna go and sleep actually
you all have fun

[jade jackal]

ill give this playtest a try, seems im auto-invited

[radiant helm]

If you feel like giving a small review later, feel free to ping me

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup Good morning :) You must very excited for this morning

[gilded elm]

To be fair, I think there is a reasonable overlap between "Hardcore" (HC) ARPG players and extraction-based games, such as extraction shooters like Escape From Tarkov. But I'm thoroughly a softcore dude, so I very much don't vibe with extraction mechanics.

[radiant helm]

I also hoped for such, i liked the classless ARPG idea from wolcen

was hoping to see more of that

[junior oyster]

Does anyone remember 'the day after'?

[gilded elm]

Of course

[jade jackal]

iconic crapshoot game

[gilded elm]

Someone should do a study on that game, leading up to its release, and how it managed to trick its way to the top of the Steam topsellers lol

[muted parrot]

phantom blade zero looks good! 👀 feeling the nioh vibes ❤️
Another genre that's booming - soulslike

[radiant helm]

I'm hyped for this pragmata

[gilded elm]

Phantom Blade Zero looks amazing. The first video I saw of it was I guess someone actually playing the game and clearly they were giga pro or that was a scripted play lol

[radiant helm]

New bioshock

[gilded elm]

But the gameplay of it looked sick

Basically what I liked about Phantom Blade Zero was that it's an action game with a very high skill ceiling, it looked like

[abstract karma]

and more will come.. such is way of laziness creation of games..
Every 4 of 5 released RPG or izometric ARPG are pure rouge-like, mixed hybrids or using rouge-like features which break immersion from classic RPG or feeling of playing izometrict ARPG

[muted parrot]

looks interesting too but gameplay..I don't know 🤔

[gilded elm]

https://youtu.be/WPsXNq9Kv7g?t=1121 This boss fight was crazy and it's what sold me on the game lol

[muted parrot]

supply and demand. I agree that many follow trends and it can become boring for a genre but it also brings great games and not just copies.
For example I like that Phantom Blade Zero doesn't copy fromsoft gameplay 😬

[gilded elm]

Yep, very high skill ceiling lol

[muted parrot]

like Nioh2..it looks so crazy good when you see gameplay of a real pro even tho I know I'll never reach that level but that's fine^^

[gilded elm]

This looks like some kind of fusion of Fromsoft/GameSci/TeamNinja with an added dose of steroids.

Yeah, you can see the obvious Sekiro, Wukong and Nioh influences here

[jade jackal]

Its mostly still what i know of it. Gods, Death & Reapers is like Hades or Windblown... but just a lot slower and clunkier. Visuals are OK, mechanics are a bit chunky, UI is so-so since most of it is placeholders, dialog and music are actually alright

But you are not getting the responsiveness and feedback of something like Hades

There's still a lot of cooking to do before this game is ready for early access

The most important thing in a roguelite ARPG is combat, and its not there.

[radiant helm]

Thats sad to hear tbh, anything redeemable or just trash trash?

[jade jackal]

If they work hard on it, I think it has a chance

[radiant helm]

Well

[jade jackal]

But they have to put their whole p@#%y into it

[radiant helm]

Thats better then nothing

[gilded elm]

Wolcen always had a weird clunkiness to the gameplay. Hard to describe, there's a lot of factors that go into it ranging from camera motion to responsiveness to animations. This would be a failing in either playtesting feedback or programming ability, but I assume the new game suffers from similar issues.

Similar to how not every ARPG feels the same gameplay-wise, even though they are all isometric and based around identical principles of gameplay.

[jade jackal]

Its very important to note

This is an UE5 ( 🤮 ) game, unlike the CryEngine ( 🤮 🤮 ) one Wolcen is based off of

[radiant helm]

So bad grapcs and poor optimization

Yeah, its over

[gilded elm]

I have no problem with UE5, speaking as a long-time programmer. I firmly believe there is really nothing wrong with the engine, I'd even say it moves game dev tech forward significantly. The problem as I see it, and as others technical background seem to also agree, is that UE5 lowers the barrier to entry to game dev, it allows you to rapidly prototype ideas into reality with minimal skills. This means bad programmers can make games faster in UE5, but they still produce bad code.

[jade jackal]

Yeah you can work hard and have a good game

[gilded elm]

There are tons of examples of UE5 games that perform well.

[jade jackal]

but you also have a ticket for more programming shortcuts with this

[radiant helm]

Well, the only well optimized UE5 game i have played was the finals

other then that...

[gilded elm]

Then you haven't played many, sure. But they exist, and there's actually a lot of them.

[jade jackal]

My favorite game of this era is UE5 based (Expedition 33) despite working like ass

But its stunningly pretty

[gilded elm]

E33 actually performs very well for me.

[radiant helm]

Exp 33 is great, but it ran bellow 90fps with a 4090

So i'd not say its great lol

[jade jackal]

Yeah, you cant squeeze high framerates out of it even with monster hardware

there's still texture and object popins

the usual Unreal Enginisms

They also force upscaling

[gilded elm]

Perhaps my main criticism of UE5's "performance" is really just Lumen/GI, it could be better.

[radiant helm]

Exp 33 also has an issue that it looks awful without DLSS

My 4090 died while playing it(not even kidding)

[jade jackal]

Also the Lumen visual distractions yes

[radiant helm]

So for now i have a 9070xt

[pine summit]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3826046 poe2 twitch drops in a sec

[radiant helm]

and with FSR the game looks quite bad

[jade jackal]

I believe there's a way to mod scaling out completely

[radiant helm]

E33 has many things that are great, story, art direction, combat, buildmaking etc etc

optimization aint one of them

[gilded elm]

I do think it's fair to assume that a UE5 game will initially release with really bad optimization. Because the UE framework basically lets you get up and running very quickly with less work, which means less optimized/finetuned. It's great for prototyping a new project, getting a proof of concept off the ground. The main thing is devs that do this, often don't go back to refine.

But at the same time, the framework and engine is good enough that the game can be well optimized.

[pine summit]

ue5.5 is massively different

[radiant helm]

Cool stuff

[pine summit]

it runs crazy optimized on mobile

[gilded elm]

Or possibly, the game devs did a really good job making the game optimized from the start, or they went back and refined the optimization over time!

[muted parrot]

''all classes buffed'' lul

[pine summit]

ngl kinda seems like poe is trying to screw over last epoch with timings

feels quite mean spirited

[pine summit]

yeah not sure if its the engine or just nte devs doing a good job

[gilded elm]

They're really not. PoE1 and PoE2 league months are now known ahead of time.

[pine summit]

not really many ue5.5 mobile games out to compare with

[muted parrot]

was the backlash so crazy? I just heard about the nerfs, not interested in the game anymore

[gilded elm]

We know now the exact months that PoE1 and PoE2 leagues will happen in the future.

[pine summit]

the main issue is the lack of crafting

stuff being rng gated isnt fun

[mental talon]

Finally Asynchronous Trade

[gilded elm]

I'm surprised we're getting drip fed acts, tbh. After Jonathan initially had reservations about it during an interview around the time the early access released.

But I guess these interludes kind of addresses the reservations he had.

[radiant helm]

One thing i kinda hate, is how people judge this game as f2p to excuse bad mtx

Then they're doing free weeends showing even more clearly that its not an f2p game

[gilded elm]

I'm pretty anti-gacha, IMO if it were up to me gacha games would be illegal

[radiant helm]

No no i meant POE

not the gacha game

[gilded elm]

Ah lol

Which bad MTX? The FOMO supporter packs or the stash MTX?

[radiant helm]

Selling anything that affect the game and isn't cosmetic

[gilded elm]

Which I agree both are bad btw, it's just degrees of bad.

[radiant helm]

as for skins, they can do wathever then want with them

[gilded elm]

The way it works with PoE is with $30 of MTX, you've basically maximized your advantage from "pay to win"

That's why I tolerate it.

I see it as buying the game for $30

[radiant helm]

I don't like any kind of MTX that give any kinda advantage

[gilded elm]

Same, I agree with that in principle but I do allow for the nuance of what that "advantage ceiling" is.

[jade jackal]

Im gonna skip PoE2 possibly until somewhere far next year

Let the community do its work

I was so stupid to be as hyped as i was for PoE2, im not repeating that mistake

[gilded elm]

For example in PoE, that "advantage ceiling" is roughly a threshold of $30 spent on stash tabs during a discount week.

[pine summit]

id guess china pushed for it maybe

they have a lot of exclusive features like auto loot pets

[radiant helm]

I'd have less of an issue

if it was genuinely an F2P game

wich poe2 is not

and people judge as if it was

[muted parrot]

the PoE experience 🥹 so many ups and downs imo. I'm glad I've settled in LE now

[gilded elm]

Yeah PoE1 and PoE2 are 100% "spend money for an advantage/convenience" which in my book is absolutely pay to win. Still, that nuance of how much money the game really demands from you in order to fully enjoy it and still be entirely competitively viable is also important. I can tolerate a P2W game if there's a reasonal ceiling to how much money I'm expected to spend. $30 in this case is a good value to me.

[jade jackal]

It started up

then kept going down for me

which is funny, because its the exact opposite of my experience with LE

Last Epoch has been on an evergreen upwards trajectory with every major patch since 2018

[radiant helm]

What makes me the angriest is not just the fact of what they do, its how the community defends it as if it was perfect, theres a difference between saying something is tolerable and good

I have a few issues with LE on the fact that all gear thats not from the MTX store is... ugly

But its tolerable

Doesn't mean i'll welcome it

[radiant helm]

I'd say LE is the best ARPG currently on the market, first one i can say its as good as diablo 2 to me

[junior stirrup]

It's alright 😄

[jade jackal]

Dont get me wrong I have my list of issues with LE, but its the game that i feel respects me and my time the most

[muted parrot]

about the same for me. It's funny because I remember it quite clearly..I was new to the genre, tried PoE and thought it's boring monster slaying and slow progress. After ~1 year I tried it again and got hooked to that game like I've never been to a game since probably WoW back in the WotlK days^^
But they increased the ceiling for high end content so much over time and I simply can't enjoy it anymore with the insane amount of things I should do but don't enjoy. Even trying it as casual as possible this league, I couldn't enjoy it.

[gilded elm]

I can't defend any P2W as being good. If it were up to me, that $30 in stash tab MTX would simply be the box price of the game and we'd only have cosmetic MTX. That said, PoE1/PoE2 are definitely at the bottom of the offenders list of P2W games.

But yeah, won't defend it. At the end of the day, I'm a consumer/gamer too though, and I want to play good games. PoE is good, usually.

[muted parrot]

it's not as bad as in PoE1 imo 😵 but there you can earn MTX over time which isn't a thing in LE yet

[gilded elm]

lmao more mods to allow armour to mitigate elemental damage, why'd this take so long?

[radiant helm]

100% agreed

[mental talon]

God damn it I thought I was only playing PoE 1 SSF I actually think Im gonna log in now.

[acoustic jungle]

13 years, but them PoE folks finally got their trade. 13 years too late, but there it is.

Steam hours padders (so, like, uh, at least half the players) in shambles.

[radiant helm]

I also do agree, diablo 4 is worse then poe 1/2 in pretty much every single way possible exept grapcs

[jade jackal]

D4 is pretty much the opposite of respecting my time

[radiant helm]

d4 doesn't respect itself lol

its a cash grab

[gilded elm]

To be fair, D4 had 0 pay to win until the expansion. The expansion itself is pay to win because it paywalls an entire class and game mechanic (runes).

[radiant helm]

They had the battlepass giving resources and stuff as far as i know

[jade jackal]

D4 has some things about it to take away in the ARPG genre from mechanical design perspective, but its completely directionless

[radiant helm]

(I quitted before that came up)

[gilded elm]

Nah the battlepasses weren't pay to win

[jade jackal]

You know its directionless when half the patches are backpedals on previous decisions

just a complete time waste

[gilded elm]

D4's very first (and to my knowledge, still the only) pay-to-win purchase is the expansion itself.

[radiant helm]

As i said before, i'd love if they abandonned it entirelly and released an expansion for d2 resurrected instead

much better.

[jade jackal]

There is a D2R DLC rumor

[radiant helm]

Much better then wathever they're doing in d4

[jade jackal]

but beware - there might be complete disregard to source material

[radiant helm]

Well, as long as they don't ruin the game i don't really mind

The original game is there if i wanna play anyway

[gilded elm]

D2R was dead to me after Blizzard completely nuked the ability to reasonably mod it.

[jade jackal]

You know, I had a very unique chance to travel to all locations on the D4 map, i wont go into details

And i was truly amazed by all the fine detail and atmosphere

I couldnt access combat or story

but its very evident they grinded some devs into a giant pit for this one

[pine summit]

it doesnt really raise confidence that poe2 is still doing the same old mechanics for leagues

[jade jackal]

Having resources and not knowing what to do with it is post 2010 Blizzard staple

[pine summit]

5 years til new poe2 league

[gilded elm]

D4's world is detailed and for the most part detailed/well made, but I don't think it captures the Diablo franchise aesthetic very well.

[radiant helm]

The map, design, grapcs, animations characters, all look awesome, truly blizzard expected quality standard there, shame everything else went to the shitter.

[jade jackal]

Transmog system and armor also aint half bad

[pine summit]

dont you all have phones though

[gilded elm]

lol

Meanwhile, Diablo Immortal is still a massive cashcow haha

As far as Blizzard is concerned, it's a wildly successful game so they made the right choice haha

[radiant helm]

I mean

Even that can't be given to then as an acomplishment

as its made by netease

So its not even their work thats generating them money

[gilded elm]

Well yeah, but still it was a financially good decision as far as they're concerned

[radiant helm]

100%

[gilded elm]

I wish Blizzard still released game metrics like in the old days. I want to know what D4's console concurrent player count looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of concurrent console players playing D4 at any given moment exceeds the number of PC players for PoE1, PoE2, LE combined.

[radiant helm]

Activision as a whole stopped with it

even on COD

[gilded elm]

Not surprising. It doesn't really make you look "good" even when numbers are high, but it really makes you look bad when numbers are low.

[jade jackal]

im not too connected to console players, but i wouldnt be surprised if D4's CCU isnt that high

spikes a bit week 1 of a season, then dies

[gilded elm]

I very much doubt the majority of console players are seasonal players. I expect the seasonal cadence is something PC players are more likely to care about. I imagine the console playerbase is largely casual gamers who don't make any plans around seasonal updates. They'll play the game as part of their routine regardless.

[jade jackal]

My bnet is full of Diablo friends, and like, none of them plays D4 after 10-14 days of a season start

I also remember how having bnet friends mattered. Something D3 has created, and D4 has utterly killed

[gilded elm]

PC gaming is still largely an enthusiast-driven space of technology. Most PC owners are enthusiasts, by definition such people have already gone beyond what it means to be a casual gamer.

Console gaming has streamlined the gaming hobby to a wider audience by removing all of the steps between acquiring the hardware and actually playing the game, and of course doing it at an accessible price point.

My point being: there is a fundamental difference between PC gamers and console gamers, as an audience and how they engage with the hobby.

[jade jackal]

If this is true

why are casual games always fill up the top selling spots on PC storefronts

I dont think this is an or / either situation - I think that PC gaming has all of it

and in very large quantities

[gilded elm]

The gap between PC and console gaming is closing. PC gaming is becoming more mainstream. The demand for casual games on PC should IMO be seen as evidence of that. Still, the gap between PC and console markets is still wide.

[muted parrot]

what's your opinion on tierlists? 🤔

[jade jackal]

If you can properly contextualize them - you will best get them

[gilded elm]

When we're comparing the penetration of PC gaming into console markets, I think it makes sense to compare buying consoles vs buying prebuilt PCs. The investment gap here is still very wide, enough so that if you are someone who is willing to drop the money on a prebuilt PC, you're likely to fall into the enthusiast category of gamers just based on cost alone.

[mental talon]

God damn they answered so many problems Ive had playing PoE 1 for idk how many years, it's actually creeping towards a good game. Fine I'll paly PoE 2 you guys won.

[jade jackal]

Ill make sure to set a reminder to around November of 2026 to check it out

[gilded elm]

I still don't really want to play without the remaining acts.

[keen beacon]

imagine playing LE now kekw

[gilded elm]

Depends how long the campaign takes with acts 1-4 + interludes I guess.

[jade jackal]

I imagine playing LE for the rest of the year, gleefully

[gilded elm]

This didn't look like "wow, I'm going to stop playing LE when it comes out" good. It was "okay"

[rare hare]

PoE2 0.3 feels like a step back from their development path in the same way that season 2 was for LE
less of adding new stuff (though there is still new stuff) and more of fixing fundamental issues

[jade jackal]

When hype chasers will clear the servers a bit on week 2 of the season i could enjoy a second toon leveling

[gilded elm]

Still no druid, which was originally meant to be released on day 1 of early access.

Like... there's no compelling reason to play 0.3

(If you've already played 0.1 or 0.2)

[rare hare]

fixing the fundamental problems and taking a hit on the stuff they probably wanted to do like adding the missing classes and weapon types and skill tabs is probably the better long term decision

adding act 4 and side stories is better than cruel difficulty

[gilded elm]

Definitely agree, moving in the right direction, but just don't see this as being a worthy enough update to skip out on LE after a week lol

[rare hare]

it depends how fast you will blast through content in LE season 3

[gilded elm]

Might be a good update to check out on day 1 if you never played PoE2 at all

[soft dove]

I love minions and can barely stand how they work in PoE2

[gilded elm]

Or if you're a lore buff and you want to play the interludes for lore

[rare hare]

I played PoE2 to end game in 0.1, in 0.2 I probably played for an hour and got bored

[mental talon]

Yeah I'm not planning on playing LE until 1.4 or 1.5 so I was just waiting to see if it gave me any reason to stop playing PoE 1. Which at least for me non awful crafting, asynch trade and a lot of stuff that Ive had gripes with directly answered.

[soft dove]

Did poe2 release path notes?

[rare hare]

PoE2 is still RNG on crafting, but at least now you have ways to rig the dice which is not 100% deterministic crafting like LE but significantly better than it was

[rare hare]

after the Q+A I think

[gilded elm]

LE isn't 100% either, but still very deterministic. You can certainly have bad luck and exhaust your FP

The 100% deterministic aspects of LE's crafting are not able to be relied upon solely when discussing the creation of really good items.

[muted parrot]

imo GGG will never ever again do fully deterministic crafting. They said loud and clear that harvest was one of their greatest mistakes because the players got used to the crafting. They want it to be RNG grindfest

[rare hare]

compared to trying to add a 6th mod to an item and rolling +15 life?

[gilded elm]

Yeah it's not in contention that LE's crafting is very deterministic by comparison.

PoE1's is also much, much more deterministic than PoE2. Deep PoE1 crafting knowledge can also deterministically yield very good items as well.

[rare hare]

the new crafting adjustments in 0.3 is a significant departure from the gamblefest

[muted parrot]

well, I'll probably see how it is in 1.0 if it stays like that ^^

[rare hare]

essences add guaranteed mods and upgrade magic items to rares (and have multiple tiers that guarantee a minimum level on the mods so you dont roll +15 life like the example above)
theres also a new drop that you can socket into an item that gives you a preview of the craft attempt

[gilded elm]

Jonathan wants deterministic crafting in PoE2. He simply doesn't want "undos" or anything like scours. The main problem right now is that PoE2 has not had all of the leagues that introduced specific crafting mechanics.

And those are things that will come eventually.

PoE1 crafting is still fairly deterministic, even without Harvest.

[rare hare]

so yeah 0.3 feels more like 30% new stuff and 70% of fixing stuff that sucked and killed enjoyment of the game
compared to 0.2 which was more like the other way around

[red oasis]

a lot of the changes theyre doing still felt pretty underwhelming

[keen beacon]

Weird take, same can be said about LE, specially the atrocious endgame

[rare hare]

LE season 2 was much like 0.3 for me
There was some new stuff added but it was mostly fixing what was broken and making key improvements

[gilded elm]

My caveat was that it depends on whether you've previously played PoE2 before, and I should probably say the same about LE. I actually skipped 1.2 for the most part, played only a tiny amount. For me, 1.3 would be significantly more content to churn through.

[keen beacon]

Now it makes more sense.

[fervent hazel]

Is this poe 2 waiting room? Haha
Btw patch seems a fixing skills and general quality of life… to be honest, of course with poe 1 vibes

[rare hare]

0.2 as i said i played only about an hour just to get a basic feel for the new block/parry mechanic and have a toy around with spear

[keen beacon]

The sprint alone already won it for me, it was my main issue tbh

[gilded elm]

I think it's more likely that I do only play like a week of LE, but then maybe I'll go back to Grim Dawn

[rare hare]

0.3 I feel more inclined to play, though I am an LE player first I will play my way through that first

[keen beacon]

If LE had more combat impact, it would make it 100x better

But its just weightless

[fervent hazel]

I’m pretty sure for a big w for LE in this patch, it deserve time for cook like any other arpg

[gilded elm]

Adding weight to gameplay can be tough, but yeah I would agree. They have to reevaluate animations/VFX/SFX for everything.

[soft dove]

I love minions in LE so this update is amazing for me

[keen beacon]

For each their own tbh, this patch dont address any of my main concerns with LE ( endgame and combat ) so just meh

[gilded elm]

A lot of games cop out with "camera shake" to add artificial weight lol

[soft dove]

Hopefully Poe2 improves minions not a fan currently

[keen beacon]

Yeah its horrid

D4 is stellar on the combat weight department, poe2 too

[soft dove]

They have many years experience im sure LE will make improvements

[fervent hazel]

At least le rewards more than a useless d4’s GA item xD, like more dopamine you know…

[rare hare]

there were some minion changes
minions no longer need accuracy rating they always hit
many of the necro minions got improvements to their command skills too

[keen beacon]

For sure, only good thing about d4 imo is the combat

[pine summit]

yeah not to mention the mobile market

[gilded elm]

D4 has good combat feel, good weightiness to it for sure. The art is good, but I don't actually think it has an art style that respectfully captures the aesthetic of the Diablo franchise.

[pine summit]

awful for playing games like poe ofc (control scheme)

but for regular games the ue5.5 nte etc stuff has shown the potential

then again theres also stuff like steam deck or rog ally

the issue with games like poe/d4/last epoch is they're very cpu heavy

[keen beacon]

I cant see the value on stuff like steam deck and rog ally tbh, at least for me

[pine summit]

although i wonder due to (stupid, pointless, massive waste) ai if phones will start working more on that

[rare hare]

I generally rate ARPGs by build diversity, fun in combat, weight of combat, storyline, gear progression
For me its currently like this:

Build diversity = LE > PoE2 > D4
Fun in combat = LE > PoE2 > D4
Weight of combat = PoE2 > D4 > LE
Storyline = D4 > LE > PoE2
Gear progression = LE > PoE2 > D4

[gilded elm]

A lot of particle math, I assume lol

[fervent hazel]

D4 have money and 0 creativity, just the same 4 skill in meta rotation from 10 seasons, I mean I have more than 1000+ on d4, I really like it, but sometimes it’s just replay the same build with adjustments…

[rare hare]

PoE2 is very weak on build diversity but D4 is truly appalling

[pine summit]

d4 is ok, the issue is blizzard like with d3 didnt want to invest properly in post launch support

[keen beacon]

People need to understand that D4 has 0 reason to do anything, i doubt they dont have creativity, they are MILKING money doing barely nothing, so why change it?

When a team is winning, you dont touch it

[red oasis]

it sounds like the build diversity in poe2 is going to improve a lot but i need to see the patch notes first lol

[gilded elm]

PoE2's potential for build diversity is huge, but gets shackled by poor decisions that end up creating a situation where only a few meta builds thrive. It's not so much a system design issue as it is a class design / passive tree design issue.

[pine summit]

its kinda like the new WoW cinematic

[keen beacon]

God that was sad

[pine summit]

streamer meta

reminds me of guild wars 2 where you get dev balancing stuff based on classes they play

[rare hare]

indeed its improving a lot
my biggest beef with sorceress was how you basically had to go all in on one element and focus purely on that
many changes make elemental combos more interesting

[pine summit]

and only buffing ones they play

[keen beacon]

But main city was crowded with deluxe edition mounts in the first 5 min

So why change?

[fervent hazel]

Exactly I want the d3’s cube, I want to feel mine an item not just a bunch of leggos inside my stash without a true target craft

[keen beacon]

If you are getting away doing barely nothing, why the hell you would do better

[red oasis]

my only gripe with the changes to sorc is the infusion orbs.... like.... good luck finding thosewith all the visual vomit

im hoping theres a support gem that lets you suck them all in somehow

[rare hare]

potential concern, just like moar fire on the warrior
how are you gonna see shit you gotta dodge when you are standing in a sea of fire

[gilded elm]

Yeah, honestly no idea what kind of metrics GGG is relying on when it comes to informing them on class/passive tree design lol

[red oasis]

oh god the volcanic fissure is so damn BRIGHT holy shit

[pine summit]

tbf on the other hand sometimes public is terrible to listen to

[keen beacon]

Well, apparently they did quit a big punch on chayula since no one was playing it

[fervent hazel]

Prepare to the “pay to see less” haha

[pine summit]

there is absolutely stuff in poe2 like lightning spear that should have been nerfed even post launch

[gilded elm]

I have always been of the opinion that players make the worst game designers.

[pine summit]

i dont like epoch's policy of doing no changes mid league

[red oasis]

"we dont want monsters lighting up like christmas trees, by the way heres some abilities that light up like a thousand christmas trees"

[gilded elm]

Players can tell you when a game is not fun. But don't rely on players to design your game. Taking design feedback from players, IMO, is almost always a bad idea.

[rare hare]

players are the most biased game designers
that doesnt make them the worst, a good game designer will balance that bias

[gilded elm]

Right, it's a good game designer's job to untangle the experience from the bias in player feedback.

[crisp onyx]

looks like big w patch for poe2

[fervent hazel]

Honestly poe 0.2 was not fun, poe 3.26 was a waaay better than that patch, even LE was a way better

[pine summit]

im sure itll have a lot of problems but it does seem a good step up

likely still going to be a long while for poe2 to catch up even slightly to poe1

[rare hare]

by the same merit, ignoring feedback from players is a great way to lose players hand over fist
look at 0.2 and Jonathan's disastrous interview telling players they were wrong
Mark had a lot of fire fighting to do there

[gilded elm]

The only thing you can really count on in player feedback is whether or not they had fun. Anything beyond that should be assumed to be riddled with bias.

[crisp onyx]

at least they dont ignore what ppl told them anymore

it might suck

but there is hope they fix it

[gilded elm]

Even when a player tries to explain why their experience was poor, you often cannot trust that perception at face value. There is often some adjacent factor contributing to that perception.

[rare hare]

If they have fixed what made PoE2 fundamentally unfun then its a good start and I might come back for 0.3

[fervent hazel]

I think ggg did more in 3 patches than 10 season of Diablo 4 I’m so upset for d4 man

[red oasis]

towers stgill a thing so theres still a huge unfun factor lol

[rare hare]

I gave up on D4 after season 2

[pine summit]

the bar is indeed low

but you see this kinda thing with long running legacy series

its like how lazy hoyo got with hsr collab

made nearly all of it a silent flim, kept reusing old areas pretending they were new places

[gilded elm]

IMO D4 is caught between two audiences. My opinion with D4 is that one of its biggest issues is itemization (or the lack of). At the same time, I think this is also one of D4's biggest strengths. It just depends on what kind of player you are.

[rare hare]

After one week pretty much hardcore farming LE I will likely be in the mood for a change of pace and will try out POE2 0.3
How long I play it depends on how much better the early game has been smoothed out

sprint mechanic alone is a huge W for QoL

[pine summit]

its like how 1.0 of nte seems to have more than all of zzz combined

some companies plan for the future

some just chase short term profits

to be fair to poe2 i think it is trying to go for the long term

they just have some rather bad habits they fall into

so its always two steps forwards one step back

[rare hare]

yup its what I said earlier
I think they have taken 0.3 as a step back patch to fix whats fundamentally broken rather than adding a ton of new stuff on shaky foundations

[fervent hazel]

Imo d4 have to decide to be “casual” or “picky” like the completion, even LE feels more a complete game than d4, it’s just so ridiculous for a 80€ game

[gilded elm]

Yes, my thoughts too. D4 needs to decide who they're making a game for.

[crisp onyx]

wdym. patch is still massive in terms of new content

[gilded elm]

Because you can't make a game for two completely opposite kinds of players.

[crisp onyx]

even if good chunk of it is recycled poe1 leagues

abyss+betrayal+legion

[fervent hazel]

Diablo 3 in season 35:

[pine summit]

im still more excited for LE but thats not due to lack of poe2 adding stuff

just the annoying parts of poe2 they're yet to resolve

[crisp onyx]

i will play both personally

with how much i play i expect to finish LE in 2 weeks or so

[fervent hazel]

Me too it’s a good time for arpgs

[rare hare]

act 4 + interludes
seasonal mechanic
supporting maps for endgame (being generous you could call it new content)

in terms of new content compared to their original targets of what they had originally stated was their intent its a big step back
instead most of their development has gone into improving quality of life, build diversity, making shitty skills useful, fixing crafting, fixing ascendancy classes, fixing classes, etc

[soft dove]

Hopefully leveling as a minion build in poe2 is lot better.

[crisp onyx]

listed is still good chunk imo

especially act(s) are work heavy

[rare hare]

they wanted druid out pretty early in the game development life cycle since the shapeshifting jazz was a big part of their early dev showcases, but they have clearly pulled it for now to fix the broken foundations

[gilded elm]

It's important to keep in mind that this is inline with a recent commitment GGG made regarding the league cadence of PoE1 and PoE2. They said no more delays. Moving forward, leagues will now always happen on pre-determined months, even if that means having to cut back on planned updates/content.

[fervent hazel]

Yes, it “seems” much smoother…

[soft dove]

Hope so

[crisp onyx]

i personally dont care tbh

new classes are nice and all

but def not a priority

[soft dove]

Why I love Last Epoch minions are so fun imho

[crisp onyx]

can be added dead last for what i care

[fervent hazel]

People just ignore that adding build variability it’s content, they want to one shot another boss I suppose

[rare hare]

i didnt say there was no content, just its less than their original plans would have shot for
they have taken a similar approach to LE with season 2
about 30% of dev resources is new content and almost all of the rest is fixing fundamental issues with the game

[gilded elm]

Druid went from "coming on day 1 of early access" to "release date still unknown as of 0.3" so they must have discovered or concluded there were some very fundamental/serious design issues with the class. Same for Huntress to a lesser extent.

[rare hare]

if their changes have the desired effect then 0.4 would likely see much more new stuff added without having to rebuild some of their mechanics from the ground up again

[soft dove]

Did they make any improvements to console? Xbox runs so bad imho fuzziness, lag, loading, hopefully they did

Crashes

[rare hare]

i dont mind the idea of druid as a class, but i also have an odd interest in the primal skill tab for the elemental spells and how it will improve options for the sorceress

stuff like the volcano and rain of fire will be good additions to the sorceress toolkit

[gilded elm]

That's always been one of the beauties of PoE's class/passive/itemization in general. Adding a new class, or an ascendency class, isn't just that class alone. It has implications for build possibilities for every other class as well.

[soft dove]

Guys in a chat said no performance or optimization for xbox

Wow

[red oasis]

lmao welp

thats a big f

[fervent hazel]

Btw who’s gonna play yogi bear tomorrow? Haha

[rare hare]

I always am the off meta snowflake weirdo
so for example I went in for mercenary spear user for 0.2 😄

[soft dove]

No idea what I'm doing tomorrow

[rare hare]

its bad that i still cant decide what im playing

[gilded elm]

Off meta builds is what makes PoE fun IMO

[soft dove]

I wanted to do sabretooth at first then raptors

[fervent hazel]

I agree

[gilded elm]

When druid stuff comes out, I better be able to play some kind of transformation sorc

[rare hare]

im leaning towards necro but trying to see if i can incorporate the t rex and flawed history of eterra for as many minions as I can fit
i would take the crab ring but the crab is very bad 🤣

[soft dove]

I think necro zoo has high potential for fun clearing farming runs for sure as they will focus on the big guys all at once and can be teleported

[rare hare]

rip blood as primary filler, trying to decide between exploding zombies or wraiths as my main spender

[radiant helm]

Got frog build sweets

[ivory swift]

Meh, PoE2 announcement is so anti-hype for me. No new classes/ascendancies, new skills are meh. They nerfed rapid fire shot for some reason? wtf?

[twilit mountain]

The only good thing is we are finally, after years, getting asynchronous trade in PoE1 in time

[ivory swift]

yeah, but not enough for me to really play much of this league, honestly LE is looking better, might log in when it releases just to try out the new act and mini acts, but after that I'm probably going back to LE

I'm an alt-a-holic, the fact they have no new classes or even ascendancies, and pretty much non starter skills being added really kills it for me

[mental talon]

They did enough for me to at least login between a PoE 1 league tbh so I'll give them that I was just gonna be playing PoE 1 SSF for the next 2 months at this rate

[twilit mountain]

I uninstalled PoE2 a coulple months ago, it's not getting reinstalled for a long time

[radiant helm]

I liked that they worked on the current classes before putting more tbh

[mental talon]

I just redownloaded it tonight lmao if it sucks I'll still have more PoE 1 to play. I hope asynchronous Trade comes in 3.27

[fierce moth]

good morning, time to check out what's new in 0.3.0

[fierce moth]

🤔 The first important info

lol poe 2 even have...Mermaid?!

[blissful token]

Oof i am at work

Any tldr?

[tawny sand]

sprinting is kind of stupid, just make the maps smaller lol

[fierce moth]

lol I think the flay immediately

Nice, both of them can play reaper

lol grab a key word to summon Judd: Meteor

wow wait it's quite cool to see ice infusion interact with fire infusion to form elemental rain

lol interesting, poe 2 can play invocation combos too, since 0.3.0. The mastery in le they aim at is obviously.

hah so sorceress will more fun to play definitely. The past is boring indeed, infinite spark + flamewall only but it's different now

How GGG know my tea on mage clearly

[fierce moth]

Rockpools include corals and sirens? 👀
emmmm? New available reference.

🤔 Altas tree don't add difficulty anymore? Cool, I can't try these endgame content at all before because it's too hard after max difficulty

Custom difficulty is a great evolution

[fierce moth]

@junior stirrup I will say I don't understand what this item use for. The example Mark gave is quite confusing because I don't see any difference on mods except it add a icon on item mod tooltip. Let's see:

It just the normal sense of using an exalted orb

[junior stirrup]

Locks show the result of the craft before you click to apply, giving you the chance to do something else instead.

Keep an eye on the inventory and cursor in the video, you can see that the orb is still unused on the cursor as they preview the outcome.

If you have enough locks and can modify the item a bit between tries, you can fish for particular outcomes through brute force.

Lock, see if outcome is OK, reset item if not, repeat.

Very expensive, but also very valuable.

[fierce moth]

lol I like this joke hhhhhhhhh

So taxes are required in poe 2 too

[fierce moth]

Make sense. That's quite powerful... Thanks!

🤔 Predict the craft result

[junior stirrup]

They've been in PoE1 for a few leagues now, very sought-after.

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ I never touch that yet

[junior stirrup]

Figured as much.

[fierce moth]

(Mechanics need to learn in poe are overwhelming and the game don't allow me to play suddenly )

[blissful token]

Wow GGG sho smart

Free to play for 3 days

They are 🎣

[twilit mountain]

Am I allowed to make jokes about PoE2 being a dead game due to having a free period now like people do for D4?

[blissful token]

Lmao

[tawny sand]

guess i'll check out this patch, the no more support gem restriction is pretty cool

and async trading is nice

[blissful token]

Huh wot dat

[fierce moth]

This is their high leveel summary.

In short:

1. New stories
2. New maps
3. New temporary acts which cut from current act 1-3 (interlude acts)
4. They blablabla lots of new support gems/new unique items/New ways to interact different elemental skills
5. Rework the passive tree so more nodes available to custom
6. Getting more rewards by enchanting more mods on rare abyssel enemies, the league mechanic is as similar as rift beast
7. You can craft your items by adding specific modifiers from different essences (they're updated)
8. You can craft your items by adding a specific slot, which available to pick one from 3 random affixes (one of existing mechanics in poe, I need to ask @twilit mountain what the name of that)
9. New mechanic for endgame, mysterious maps for revealing by different gameplay then you get different unique support gems
10. Change the case that prefix of a map = good, suffix of a map = bad, but I'm not quite understand how are they change
11. Atlas tree of different encounters have changed a way to empower, all of them just need splinters to access bosses now and you can custom the boss difficulty
12. They crafted uber level of pinnacle boss for pro players
13. Added more types of omens to allow more ways to craft by the same stackable sockets
14. You can sell and buy items even the seller/buyer is offline but when you buy items, you need to give taxes

Alright, still very long... Can't be shorten at all 😅

[blissful token]

Good enough. Tenks

[tawny sand]

you remember how you could only use 1 of a type of support gem? Now you can use more than 1, so like two skills can have the same supports

like pierce on one and pierce on another or w/e

[fierce moth]

I don't want to check out their patch notes on the opposite because I know 90% I will not understand what are they talking 😅

[tawny sand]

be a chad and don't read patch notes like i do and just wing it on launch day

i never read patch notes

[twilit mountain]

I always read them, brain makes the funny chemicals

[tawny sand]

lol

i prefer video form where i can get the gist of it

[fierce moth]

The patch note blablablabla tons of familiar words but they can't be read if you never play them

🫡 I'd better to just play the game blindly instead. Alright so I don't have much time to play le indeed

[narrow token]

Half the time I read patch notes I'm like an illiterate child thinking "I wish this had pictures"

Idk what I'm reading!

[fierce moth]

le's patch note have this issue too but I'm more familiar with le so more readability I have

[tawny sand]

i want a pop up picture book

is the socketable stash tab new? i can't remember if i have it or not

i don't think there's a poe1 equivalent right

[fierce moth]

🤔 Hope new contents in le and poe 2 are as epic as they said

[twilit mountain]

There isn't. Please pay us more money on top of the hundreds of dollars you've already spent on the game that we promised all your purchases would carry over from.

[fierce moth]

I need to start le -> poe 2 -> le -> poe 2 loop soon Quite busy

[fierce moth]

What the name of this mechanic in poe is?

Vailed items?

[twilit mountain]

Veiled yeah. It's from Betrayal in PoE1, they just kinda smashed it into Abyss for 2

[tawny sand]

trueee

[junior stirrup]

What if they say something about SSL revocation server errors? 😛

(it doesn't say that)

[fierce moth]

:(

But it's a nice joke

[fierce moth]

@neon sigil If GGG fix ssl revocation bug, I will see you in Poe 2 on Aug. 30th :)

Hah to be honest I want to play some Poe too...

But it's hard to balance in le and Poe 2 already

The perfect case is I can swim at both games as same as Deias

[maiden widget]

It's not on GGG to fix most likely

It's probably your country doing something wonky

[fierce moth]

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