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[karmic nimbus]

Yeah its visually pleasing and fun skill to use

[jade jackal]

its not just a stupid string of forward launching shards

[fierce moth]

hah... Alright. Pan is a tough boss...

I leave it to solve tomorrow

[fierce moth]

The data looks good

[wanton sapphire]

is it good so far?

and does it have wasd

[karmic nimbus]

Yes to both

[wanton sapphire]

[karmic nimbus]

Controller support too

[fierce moth]

yes, but not support ps icons

xbox only

[wanton sapphire]

never been a huge controller person in most games, tho I like seeing all the options

mostly darksouls

huh

its only 23$?

[junior oyster]

Smart move imo

[fierce moth]

well I hope I can master at loot-based ARPG like these streamers when I watch their streams...

[wanton sapphire]

heres the secrect sauce: find a way to scale offensive and defense with the same stat and get a ton of that stat

[fierce moth]

Oh, so I will reach that temple at last

[wanton sapphire]

the pose, the presence

[fierce moth]

Ok, I'll stop to watch so keep remain contents mysterious and fresh

[twilit mountain]

Average Trickster:

[fierce moth]

He's French

[karmic nimbus]

This year ive started to play poe/LE etc with controller. Now im used to it and enjoy more than mkb. Cant wait LE to be released on consoles so i can play it on couch too

[wanton sapphire]

you could plug your pc into the tv and use it as a big monitor

[karmic nimbus]

I could but atm i cant

Also i dont wanna use pc on tv all the time

Its in separate room

[wanton sapphire]

fair enough

[vagrant topaz]

@fierce moth https://youtu.be/evhBepR92yw?si=MpxEr8lShlG_GbgK

[maiden widget]

i am still baffled that i cant get the pd2 sp mod running on steam deck, i tried a new install and the one that works on my pc and both end up launching the normal game 🤔

[fierce moth]

:)

[karmic nimbus]

Did you ask in pd2 discord?

[maiden widget]

not yet gonna do a full reinstall again first 😄

[karmic nimbus]

I know many plays it on steam deck

Atleast online, idk about sp

[maiden widget]

the normal game works the mod just isnt loaded so its weird

but my wifi isnt good enough for online on the deck

[karmic nimbus]

Do you use pd2 launcher to update

[maiden widget]

yeah had to pause updates for the mod: https://github.com/Lukaszpg/PD2-Single-Player-Plus-mod/

[karmic nimbus]

Their discord has tech support channel you could go and ask

[maiden widget]

well its more of the additional mod ontop of pd2 issue so might try but i dont expect help for it

[karmic nimbus]

Why u wanna that mod?

[maiden widget]

has rune downgrade and more poe like orbs that make it nicer to actually get stuff

[karmic nimbus]

👍

[ebon meadow]

Chris has a black lotus card ,I want it for my personal collection xdd

That's the most important thing out that interview lol

[fierce moth]

No idea when game industry willing to give chances to new people to be honest. Yes, all jobs need experience but experience come from jobs. So...

Create the own career and produce lots of trashes at first is the only way I can think

Start something as early as possible (before 18 years old), or rich experience on work.

[abstract karma]

with AI era nobody will..
At least not so fast..

We already know this era is era of indie devs which for now works and not use easy paths

how many ppl were already dismissed from their jobs because somebody trained AI which done pretty much their work..

[desert jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T928kJvqTlo
man, why is Revengeance soundtrack full of bangers

[fierce moth]

My mum: Quick to learn Microsoft powerpoint, excel and word before you find a job! Bosses 100% need these skills!

(Nevermind, her mind still stay on 90s last century)

On the other hand, it proved why she's poor all the time.

I have the same logic before... Have thought I must learn softwares at first, but 100% no idea why I want to learn them, just know I must learn them.

But one point she said is right, this is my path, so I must walk alone. No one can replace.

[maiden widget]

well knowing the most common office tools isnt a bad choice anyway even when AI exists

[abstract karma]

nah, nothing changed if you can't use tools or learn things to understand tools, AI wont help with anything..
You can't write something with AI and except it will be OK which is like 80% forgets that small "issue"

[fierce moth]

I hope AI can teach me how to convert grass on the path from realistic style to impressionism style under limited colours exactly

I just paint colours with feelings now

The only thing I can make sure so far is my work will not similar with the reference at all

[karmic nimbus]

so i lost all my shared stash tabs and gear in twice

made bug report

so beware

noticed if i quit game and go back in i dont have anything left except items in personal stash

[fierce moth]

More and more chaos.... It's fun though

Let's see what'll going on when in-game scene become chaos shape. Yes, it's what I want to do.

At least I paint something before sleeping

[jade jackal]

I think im sort of done with TQ2 for now, juiced level 23 bosses are getting melted

job well done

[keen wind]

Okay playing TQ2 now... Not running too well on my laptop but it's playable so far
Now, the question is, do I play cyclone warpath whirlwind

[jade jackal]

Game is very rough in performance right now

and yes, there is spin2win

[keen wind]

I just wanted to sweep but now the whirlwind is calling...

[keen wind]

I also have half the recommended VRAM so not really complaining that it runs at all

[abstract karma]

it's EA not final product, this era of players should really try sometimes recognize of this difference - mainly in EA steam reviews (Which idk why are even public and allowed in EA state.. That should be handled trough forums or another form of feedbacks..

[karmic nimbus]

you should not even read those reviews

"reviews"

[keen wind]

There's some special people on Steam that's for sure

Might just be because there's a lot of people in the first place

[fierce moth]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Alesta/recommended/1154030/

I'm sorry that I can't agree because I still struggle with these "easy" bosses 😔

[abstract karma]

i dont read them to buy a game but many ppl yes, or even these which publicly use it for another memes or messages about game..

I see EA as testing phase not something which should be even in "reviews"
Hell look on youtube or similar social portals which literally "reviews game as full in EA" even these more recognizeable ppl which focus mostly on RPG's

[keen wind]

Hm so light armor seems to be mainly focused on dodges right, rather than something like evasion
So I'm guessing that goes better with like trying to actually stay at range? And for melee I'd prefer heavy?
I'm like lv3 not like it matters right now, just pondering what I'm looking at

[fierce moth]

But I agree with the point that "current animations, environment art and character art isn't iconic enough".

[junior oyster]

Any review that is longer than about 5 sentences I usually just ignore

Positive or negative

Get to the point is my motto

[jade jackal]

horse boss was harder than goat one

even post game, horse boss is harder than the goat one, despite level difference

[tawny sand]

i just say "i like it" or "i don't like it"

[muted parrot]

PoE Gauntlet is brutal 💀
Feels like an achievement to be able to beat act 1

[sand wigeon]

PoE is hardest in the early acts.

Act 1 is the most difficult act.

[sand wigeon]

Those are the only ones I pay attention to.

[fierce moth]

The mermaid in the cave is the hardest part in act 1 for me. Especially the rare one.

Plus GGG added a few volatile mermaids, difficulty +2

the amount of le fams is dropped over 500+ now.

Hope my choice for "buying" Judd's team is right.

poe 2 and le stand on the same line again because both of them experienced a big wave of players are lost/gone.

[fierce moth]

Cutttttttttttttte (1/1)

[fierce moth]

🙂 Looks better a lot now.

Next part then 👋

[fierce moth]

Wait... hhhhhhhhh

Look at the length. Art is the shortest one

[keen wind]

Yeah I usually try to get the sapphire ring recipe going by then but it doesn't always work out

[junior oyster]

I normally go minions so I don't usually find a1 that difficult

Don't think I get srs till like a3 or something though but I might be wrong

[desert jasper]

alright
done with the early access content of TQ2
it's very promising so far

[true goblet]

I'm about to finish installing it and giving it a go, anything I should keep in mind?

I'm fully aware its quite far from complete and is a tad sparse on content, which is what most of the negative reviews have been about

[vagrant topaz]

Which is a shame for a finished, completed game.... Oh wait

[true goblet]

yeah, literally like day 2 or 3 of early access, and I've gone through some reviews, so I know what to expect from it, heh

it's 24 USD with development proceeding, I ain't gonna complain

[desert jasper]

Explore a lot
there's a lot of quests that are hidden or scattered around

[true goblet]

I always explore the whole map in just about any game with a map

map completionist, you might say

[desert jasper]

yeah pretty much same

[maiden widget]

I think saying early access alone is a bit moot, this is 8 months after their first given date so the content is extremely sparse imo

Glad it's promising though I hope it'll be a great arpg

[twilit mountain]

Reasonable expectations haver, more of people like you please <3

[vagrant topaz]

Med check

[radiant helm]

Here on my PC all ultra even with upscaling on quality it drops from 60, with a 9070xt + 9800x3d

So yeah, complicated stuff

What i'll say for someone thinking on buying it after playing 10 hours of it... well, buy if you want the discount, don't buy as a game you plan to do much in it

as you can beat all the content in 1 evening with a poor performance and thats all there is at the moment

I do understand its EA, but regardless, ppl should be informed into what they're buyiing into, in practice you're buying a demo for a game thats going to release maybe in a year or two from now.

[twilit mountain]

Thank you! On my way upstairs soon so great timing

[maiden widget]

Yeah that's what I blame the publisher for, they rarely actually state what's in the current buyable version

Imo that should be a requirement for them to be able to sell it

[radiant helm]

Yeah, thats why i do understand the frustration

As i said, today, next year wathever, i personally was going to get it anyway

afterall, it won't be worse then diablo 4 lol

but still

[true goblet]

hmm, dipped my toes into TQ2, just got past the first island you start on. I like the feel of the game, the music and ambience are nice, but the skill tree is a tad barebones but has potential. game in general is solid with lots of potential for expansion.

[hot crown]

And here I was talking about exactly this the other day...
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[true goblet]

I feel people who only got 'an evening's worth' are possibly too accustomed to speedrunning things, too accustomed to efficiently grinding through ARPG-style content so they just blast through what's structured to be a more slow-paced game

just my take on it so far

[desert jasper]

Tbh it took me 7hours to get to the end of the early access content
I'm thinking I might roll another character and go spellcaster this time around
going warfare felt easymode

[true goblet]

yeah, I literally just went 'archer', went warfare + rogue with warfare active abilities so far, using some rogue passives for crit chance

wanted to keep it simple

I'll definitely repeat the EA content with a magic-focused character, and if I really feel up for it a rogue-focused melee character

[desert jasper]

I went warfare + earth. mostly just used sweeping strike... didn't try the cyclone version for some reason
earth for the aura, some more energy, hp and dmg
does rogue have poison stuff?

[true goblet]

rogue is like crits, poison, stuff like that

I considered taking earth if only for the aura and stuff, but meh, wanted to just stick with physical and maybe poison

[desert jasper]

I see

[true goblet]

the attribute system is kinda interesting, honestly

the way the four main attributes interact with the secondaries and all that

[desert jasper]

I just pumped 2 of them lul

[true goblet]

yeah mostly what I'm doing, and I imagine that's generally how you're supposed to do it, 3 at most

[desert jasper]

And then the game kept dropping me rogue & mage gear all the time

[true goblet]

yeah, it's a little odd on that, that's one thing right off the bat I'd say needs some work

[desert jasper]

but then again
my dmg was consistent and I was kinda tanky too
though I did just wear the biggest dmg weapons I found

[true goblet]

one thing I was trying to determine. . .weapons have a base damage, in grey, but the blue modifiers will sometimes have like '+3 strike damage' or something, I'm wondering if that's something that's included in that grey number or something you have to add on mentally

all in all, though, the game has potential, and I bought it knowing it needed lots more work, this being an investment into a franchise I've wanted to see more of. really like ancient greek/rome/etc stuff.

[fierce moth]

Brush enough pigments for today's progress...
Time to solve Pan :)

No idea how many types of green I got so far

[fierce moth]

The algorithm is interesting... How dare I can scroll this fine restaurant which in Guangzhou too 😅

[radiant helm]

There will be 2 kinds of people who will represent 90% of the purchases

Arpg fans and people who have some nostalgic memory about the first game

Arpg fans will see everything on the marketing and all, and will buy the game day 1 as we did, afterall, it's not everyday a new one comes out

That said, if the person has any proficiency in the genre it won't take all too long, I played 12 hours of it and did everything there was to do in 2 characters

So for most people it really is an evening out of content

The issue is not how much content it had, it that the publisher didn't do a good job telling people how much content is in it, so people got mad

As I said, personally, I don't have an issue with it as it was a guarantee purchase to me, and it's the basis of something good

But I can also understand someone who expected a meal and only got fries

[gilded elm]

I finished my first TQ2 campaign yesterday, took around 8 hours with full exploration.

My overall opinion is that the game is good, it plays good, the world is good. It has a very solid foundation on which to build a great ARPG.

• As it stands, there's only Act 1. The game is supposed to have 4 acts total, as I understand it.
• There's only 4 masteries right now, but assuming my math is right, dual masteries means there's 6 combinations (effectively classes) that you can currently experiment with and the possible combinations will increase significantly with each new mastery added.
• The only form of "endgame" at the moment is the ability to increase world difficulty through the Ritual of Ares and farming the Act 1 bosses, I think there are 4 total.
• The boss fights were fun, I enjoyed them. Not much more to be said about that.
• Based on my own PC (7800X3D / 4070 Ti SUPER), the actual technical quality of this early access release is one of the best I've ever experienced, to be honest. I know there are optimization issues (none of which I personally encountered) but the game itself ran perfectly fine for me and I didn't experience any crashes whatsoever.

Leaving this for whoever cares, also @tawny sand and @maiden widget :)

[maiden widget]

guess i'll wait a bit until i hop on then. Thanks for the writeup and ping 🙂

[gilded elm]

If you have the money, I think it's absolutely worth grabbing it at the $24 discount because I believe this game has huge potential based on the solid foundation it's built upon. I fully expect this price to go up with the full release, or as the early access progresses. I'd consider it an investment into the future of the game, not necessarily what it is now, but if you do like experimenting with all of the classes then I still think you'd easily get your $24 worth out of the current content.

[maiden widget]

i have the money but i also have too many early access games i stopped playing when they released its a weird kind of balance to not burn out before launch

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I expect there will be more opportunities in the future to grab it at this price or similar, even as new content is added. So I don't think waiting is a bad idea either.

If you know for sure you won't play it at all in its current state, then waiting is not a bad call.

What bothers me the most about TQ2 is the lack of transparency, and I think you mentioned this as well.

It doesn't bother me that they have no concept of what the endgame will look like, it does bother me they haven't released even a vague roadmap.

It's just something I would've wanted to see released at the same time as the early access. It would align expectations with players.

[maiden widget]

Yeah sadly thats EA standard, you get a lot of fluff about the future game but no concept of what you ship for now nor a rough list of deliverables

[junior oyster]

What even is that cpu? Amd? Intel?

Oh yea I guess it's an amd cpu

[maiden widget]

amd yes

[junior oyster]

Bought TQ2 and ngl I think I like the design of the heroes in tq2 more than d4

Time to be someone I'm not

[tawny sand]

thanks, guess i'm waiting too

[junior oyster]

Aww can't move camera around dang

[desert jasper]

Tbh I'm not fully sure how ailments work in the game

[jade jackal]

Solid game TQ2

[junior oyster]

Ok idk maybe it's just me but the skill system seems to be a heck of a lot better than d4

[jade jackal]

Pumped a good 12 hours into it

[fierce moth]

The ridiculous thing I just found: Whatever skills you select as earth, all attacks need energy so energy issue still here even I use melee attack...

@desert jasper do you have energy issue?
I'm annoyed by energy interrupt my progress on dealing damage always because energy regen just too slow

[maiden widget]

is it even if you account for the uniques in d4?

[junior oyster]

Idk I usually get bored of d4 by the time I reach around level 70

I'm just comparing skill tree to skill tree

[maiden widget]

dont think that does it justice honestly unless tq2 also has uniques changing skills

[jade jackal]

TQ2 doesnt have much content as of now

its a solid, slower experience

I also don't expect it to evolve into a complex, ellaborate ARPG like others we're used to. on a scale of giga-casual to PoE, i'd put it below D4

[junior oyster]

I mean sure but I just don't like the skill tree in d4

[jade jackal]

Shockingly, D4 might change that system in the near future

[junior oyster]

The skill tree kinda reminds me of torchlight infinites tree

And yes I hate tli

[jade jackal]

I find the skill system in TQ2 decent, but of actual less depth than D4 or D3 when you really break it down

But I also dont know how dramatic changes to it will be in the future

[junior oyster]

Yea I'm only at the starting but this tree just feels better

[jade jackal]

I think a large part of that comes down to very simple stat system for items.

[junior oyster]

Is it better than le or grim dawn? I don't think so

[jade jackal]

No need to go that far

[junior oyster]

But I definitely like it more than d4 for sure

[jade jackal]

I think TQ2's systems are between like, a mobile ARPG and a Diablo game

There's no much synergy to fill up a skill bar with, and it doesnt take much thought of having the best route just pumping points into one or two skills

[junior oyster]

Also hate pressing tab and it changes my weapon

I want my overlay damn it

[jade jackal]

There has to be a solution to that

somewhere in the menu

[junior oyster]

Oh yea I'm aware but then I'd have to remap almost everything

[jade jackal]

Yes, the default mapping is ass

[desert jasper]

Yeah all the skills under masteries cost energy
So you need to figure out a way to either: regen enough, use base attack while waiting for mana regen or get low enough cost to just keep on casting 🤷‍♂️

[junior oyster]

Like I'm also pressing Q to cast ice shards when it has to be 1 lol

[jade jackal]

Im going to try and make a none Ice Shards character next

ill grind maybe to lv25 then restart

Ice Shards sort of... made the game a little too trivial for me

[fierce moth]

I'll say the letter is invalid so far :(

That's the only skill don't cost energy to attack, but it's a channel skill so it mean I must stand to cost, I'm not tanky enough to use that

[jade jackal]

I now know exactly when endgame Ice Shards reminds me of

LE season 1 Divine Bolt Paladin

Its just a toxic mix of powerful elements

[jade jackal]

This will wait for me once i trey and go might build

Might... find a better weapon by then

[fierce moth]

I'm confused why I can't go on adding more passive points to this node

I want more max energy...

[desert jasper]

not sure what you mean

[jade jackal]

You get it from another tree

unfortunately, you didnt pick Storm

[fierce moth]

another tree?

[fierce moth]

Oh, primary attack can keep zero energy cost... I don't find that

[jade jackal]

Another passive tree, mastery

Decided to try again, no Ice Shards easy mode this time

[fierce moth]

😂 😂 😂 What the hell... Melee attack is stirring the air for me

[jade jackal]

Energy management of early melee is absolutely horrible from the very start

No wonder people dislike it

Nobody should like expending their entire mana pool over 3 attacks

[true goblet]

me, I've been running a bow build, works well enough though having the AoE skills unlock 'later' is a tad annoying

[true goblet]

best I can figure, ailments are essentially your stackable effects, and depend on the type of attack you're hitting them with. I assume poison damage will trigger some kind of stackable poison damage other than what the actual poison attack is doing

[jade jackal]

im going to attempt something by combining warfare with storm for the mana benefits and see if its working

[true goblet]

yeah I just went bog-standard bowman, warfare+rogue, kept it simple and I always like testing the bow builds of any games like this I play

[desert jasper]

Yeah, you apparently need the ailment chance too
on top of the dmg

[true goblet]

yep, you'd emphasize that if you were basically doing a debuff build

i.e. stacking burns, freezes, bleeds, poisons, etc

[desert jasper]

Tbh I did get some of it
but still didn't see bleeds

[true goblet]

bleeds, if they exist, would probably trigger as an ailment if you had nothing else on the weapon. just straight up physical damage

that's just my take on it, it's not clearly explained

[desert jasper]

I imagine you could have physical and other things on the weapon
but since it needs some kind of dmg treshold (probably) it would trigger bleed fastest

Though I wish they made it more clear

[junior oyster]

Killed griffindor

Sorry Harry

So far for first impressions I think it's an ok game. And if they focus specifically on online I think it could go really well.

Offline*

Especially with mod support

[desert jasper]

You killed Griffith? Good

[junior oyster]

Is that what his name was in HP?

I assume this don't work

[fierce moth]

Complete all stories finally 🎉 Go to play the unfinished elementalist at next.

[desert jasper]

Nah, Griffith is from Berserker

[junior oyster]

No idea what Berserker is/was

[desert jasper]

Manga + anime
think there are even a few games

[junior oyster]

You mean Berserk?

[desert jasper]

yeah sorry, berserk

Not sure why I added the "er" there lul

[junior oyster]

I mean either way I never read/watched it

But I was confused for a sec

[desert jasper]

that's fair

[fierce moth]

Oh golds don't be shared with different characters. Alright I guess gears my battlemage have gained aren't available for my elementalist?

[junior oyster]

Did you tick ssf by any chance?

[fierce moth]

Both of them is normal

I pick nothing

The issue is that stash aren't available until I reach the middle of act 1 😅

[true goblet]

yep, good ol' pyrgos village

[jade jackal]

I sent a feedback about this

Design of towns and NPC in this game almost seem to force a slower game cycle

I know we as players shouldnt push Grimlore to turn TQ2 into PoE or LE but god damn, why do i have to have a dialog window with a single option if i approach an NPC for one clear purpose

[junior oyster]

Pretty sure D3 did this

Pointless clicking when one click should be enough

[jade jackal]

In D3 each station has direct UI element clickable item, at least

So you can approach and instantly perform an action

on TQ2 there's a stash... vendor, with an option to open stash or say goodbye

Stash should be instant when completing the dialog options

There is no simple box you can click on

[abstract karma]

dang 9 hours to complete EA ?

that makes me hope this wont be fast game äs modern games mostly are

[tepid otter]

Does anyone know anything about Titan Quest 2? Im wondering if it is online like Last Epoch

[abstract karma]

Hope not..
So far it should be as TQ 1 - offline, long and complex

[junior oyster]

I see what you mean

Just got to the first town...

[fierce moth]

lol I'm pretty slow already

Due to my bad action skills

[abstract karma]

i'm medicore too otherwise would be PoE and LE already finished on uber lvl 😄

[fierce moth]

You played more loot-based ARPG, and action skills are better so you will complete that in 8h I guess

(I agree with the boss design in tq 2 is poor now)

Issues I found

1. Energy sustainability in earth is too poor, 99% skills in warfare and earth is heavy energy cost so attack will be interrupt frequently
2. The layout of skill combos is too bias on skills which heavy cost to exchange heavy damage, the light attack can be ignored completely

[abstract karma]

IDK..
TQ1 without DCL's on normal diff with here or there some grinding i finished in 20 hours it was Lighting based RuneMaster on ranged knife skills
(pretty glass canon but it was doable)
Grim dawn is hard to count since i have 2 classes and idk if you can get play time
but full game on normal option i guess 160 hours ? It was just spammy prime strike

[fierce moth]

👀 tq 2 is too far away from le's scale without doubt

[abstract karma]

either way it was noticeble that mine building and skills sucks 😄
If first a few acts are now around 8 - 9 h in TQ2 then it hope i will sink another decent amount of time

[gilded elm]

I focused a bit less on the mechanical specifics of masteries/nodes, I mostly assessed the game on its systems. The mastery system so far is a faithful evolution of the TQ1 and Grim Dawn mastery systems, which is a good foundation to build upon. The idea of mixing and synergize between 2 different masteries of your choice is a solid foundation and I'm glad they didn't try to reinvent it or replace it with something completely different.

Now, the specific skills/passives in each mastery? That's another story, and of course it's going to require significant work.

[abstract karma]

that would be weird, TQ came with this feature, totally wipe or change it wouldnt just make sense

[gilded elm]

Indeed, it's great to see that Grimlore respected this part of TQ1 and kept it mostly the same, with good changes on top to make it more interesting.

[fierce moth]

how many hours you spent on completing all stories?

[gilded elm]

Around 8 hours, including full world exploration

Full exploration of act 1 took me 8 hours, that's pretty impressive and speaks to the monumental effort that must have went into hand crafting a single act.

Environmental artists did a lot of work in TQ2, it shows.

[fierce moth]

The deep of temple is impressive, remind me of sun temple in poe (golden patterns + black floor)

[gilded elm]

I look at TQ2 through a different lens than PoE/LE/D4, I don't think they're the same kind of ARPG. The campaign experience is meant to be a meaningful part of TQ2, just like it is in TQ1 and Grim Dawn. So in a game like this, I don't think having a very long campaign is a bad thing at all.

[junior oyster]

I've only ever levelled up two classes to 100 in grim dawn

Legit method at least

I mainly like the grind in gd

[gilded elm]

TQ2 is Greek-influenced, Sun Temple in PoE is Roman-influenced. So not the same, but still very similar.

[fierce moth]

Temporal sanctum in le is less impressive due to the contrast of colours isn't enough after I checked out tq 2's temple
because black and gold is classic combo forever

But temple in le is desert-influenced so it's make sense that their floor design can't use dark colours

[junior oyster]

You mean majasa? I'd say that's more Hindu influenced

[gilded elm]

I keep in mind that in games like TQ1/2 and Grim Dawn, the world is entirely hand-crafted, not procedurally generated. Someone made the effort to design a world for you to explore. So I explore it and it's a part of the leveling/grinding experience.

[jade jackal]

Tell me you also expected a boss fight there

It seems like the whole playerbase did lol

[fierce moth]

But temples in poe 2 is desert-influenced too and GGG's choice is very bold. I love that red.

[jade jackal]

Why make a large arena if im not going to fight anyone

[junior oyster]

More like Mayan?

[fierce moth]

Damn. Fane is intelligence. I never know them.

[junior oyster]

Ha I wish

[gilded elm]

Utzaal and such are either Aztec or Mayan inspired, for sure.

[junior oyster]

Yea I forgot about Aztec

[fierce moth]

🤔 Hindu... Emmmm. This relief is as similar as Buddhism

[junior oyster]

In PoE1 there are literally areas and names like Atziri and Atzual.

So yea chances are they are Aztec based

[gilded elm]

Yeah Vaal in general are "mesoamerican" (so it could be either Aztec or Mayan) inspired.

[abstract karma]

Not even reached there
Simple build with many holes in min / max i would say..
Probably i would be able reach highest diff till first main boss but DLC's i would say i would struggle a lot

Damn i suck 😄 either way 3 days 7 hours and 8 minutes was my GD play on normal diff

[junior oyster]

Follow a build guide or keep experimenting

[gilded elm]

Vaal is one of the best factional designs I've seen in a game, tbh. A mesoamerican-inspired culture that uses dark rituals to build and power advanced technology.

[junior oyster]

Grimtools is your best friend

[fierce moth]

It maybe 8 days 7hours and 3 mins too

[abstract karma]

it says in describtion days,hours,minutes so idk i take as it's written

[junior oyster]

Yea definitely in that order I believe

[abstract karma]

i mean with PoE 1 / PoE 2 lore its mix of 2 - 3 themes

Ancient Aztect / Roman gods, close to early medieval

[gilded elm]

Yes, each faction has specific real-world inspirations in PoE1/PoE2.

Eternal Empire = Roman, Karui = Maori, Vaal = Aztec/mesoamerican etc

[abstract karma]

Too bad that PoE 2 went more in past.. It's nice to see ancient past of that Lore but i would rather went futher in timeline

End of PoE 1 and early PoE 2 almost showed start of middle / late Medieval almost times basically of partisans, pirates and sailing era around world
(if i watch on teaser of PoE 2 we should eventually have act which is on boat..)

[gilded elm]

Kalguur is probably the faction that fits into what you're wanting.

And we should be visiting Kingsmarch in PoE2, dunno which act

[abstract karma]

To be honest i've hoped that endgame of PoE 2 would be sailling over world

[gilded elm]

The endgame always had to be some kind of atlas system

[tepid otter]

Is there an "endgame" in these types of games?

[gilded elm]

Don't think so in TQ1, there is in Grim Dawn though.

Grim Dawn has procedural endgame content called the Shattered Realm.

[abstract karma]

or non procedural dungeons if you have maxed diff its scale-lvled

or wait last update basically made it scaleable in all diffs

[gilded elm]

But I would emphasize that, Grim Dawn has a good campaign experience. I enjoy it.

I actually enjoy getting sidetracked and exploring in Grim Dawn.

TQ1 on big sale btw

[junior oyster]

Same

[abstract karma]

i should finish dlc's probably, that time i was already too tired from it so i needed break.. But since LE is at coner idk if should fed myself with ARPG

[gilded elm]

GD is one of those games that in my opinion is worth playing even if the only thing you do is make new characters just to play the campaign.

[junior oyster]

They've added lots over the course of the expansions and even campaign is not so boring because you can encounter stuff like monster shrines

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's a beefy campaign with a massive hand-crafted world with hidden secrets and stuff to discover everywhere.

[junior oyster]

On the other hand I don't feel the same way about poe campaign

Might be because it punishes you for bad builds

[gilded elm]

Same, games like PoE or LE, my goal is "finish this quickly so I can start playing the real game" but with GD, the real game starts as soon as you load into the world.

Interestingly, D4's world is also hand-crafted as far as I know, and yet it doesn't feel as rich as TQ/GD's worlds. It somehow feels cheaper and doesn't encourage me to appreciate it.

[junior oyster]

I never felt it was hand crafted

[gilded elm]

Yeah it absolutely doesn't feel like it.

[junior oyster]

But if it was then props to their artists

[gilded elm]

The world map in D4 doesn't ever change to my understanding.

[junior oyster]

Nope

[gilded elm]

But something about it just doesn't feel inviting in a way that makes me want to engage and take a deeper look to appreciate it.

[junior oyster]

It doesn't feel like Diablo game

I love the open world in grim dawn but not in D4

Because I'm used to jumping from zone to zone in d4 using wps

[gilded elm]

There are criticisms about the open, static world design in games like Grim Dawn becoming boring in repeated playthroughs. That simply hasn't been the case for me, I actually like that I become familiar with the world and subsequent playthroughs are enriched in their own way because I'm approaching the world with new found knowledge, such as knowing where certain shrines or secrets are etc.

[jade jackal]

TQ2's world, after scanning everything they allow us so far, is... actually not that bad

[junior oyster]

Probably the one thing I do dislike about grim dawn is certain paths being blocked off randomly

[jade jackal]

I really like its atmosphere

TQ2's world does have some blocked paths, so prepare for heartbreak

but, doing side missions will unlock em

[gilded elm]

Like the dynamite paths? lol

[junior oyster]

Yea

[gilded elm]

True, those closed paths that force you to take the "long way" until you have the resources to make the shortcut can sometimes be annoying lol

It's a minor annoyance though. TQ2's looking like the whole world including every act is going to be massive. Act 1 alone was so much to explore.

I can't imagine how hard the artists have to be cooking to make a world that big.

[junior oyster]

Don't forget gd is also massive lol

[jade jackal]

I really like the different locations and ambiance, its really nice, especially places next to the rivers and shores

[junior oyster]

Like every area in it is pretty damn big

[gilded elm]

The swampy biomes were some of my favorite.

[jade jackal]

Swamps are cool too yeah

regarding big locations, its PoE2 that finally put the nail on the coffin for me

I am an official large zone hater

[gilded elm]

PoE2's zones are large (which isn't inherently bad) but they're also procedural. Large and procedural don't mix well, IMO.

[jade jackal]

You can design a location and keep it on point

TQ2's size seem fitting for the general design philosophy, it doesnt waste your time

[junior oyster]

Yea I love the large locations in gd but hate them in poe2

[jade jackal]

Im also surprised by their implementation of D4-like ladders and jumps, I expected severe bugs for the scripting but no, pretty smooth

[junior oyster]

They had to add checkpoints that's how freaking big the maps are

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and the fact they have to procedurally generate the zone leaves room for a lot of issues for example backtracking.

TQ2's zone design is very purposeful, designed not to waste your time from what I can tell.

[jade jackal]

I would like to see TQ2 sort of continue and be what it is, and not try to be what it isnt

Even if it means I will only have 2-3 playthoughs and not touch it again for years

[gilded elm]

There's definitely room for endless endgame content in TQ2. But yes I would like to see them continue to put a strong emphasis on the world design and deliver the remaining acts with the same quality and attention to detail afforded to act 1.

[jade jackal]

For me, its enough to see how skills and items work to understand that... high stat means better when all skill points are where they should be is making TQ2 a more arcadey and a simple start to end experience

No crazy passive and skill synergies, no crazy item stats

At least not yet

Its a simple to play straight forward game

[gilded elm]

There will be some crazy synergies, I would count on it. The mastery system is a great class design approach for creating some wild build possibilities IMO.

Right now, everything seems a bit tame, so I'm not knocking many points off for the current state of skills/passives. I fully expect these things to be significantly improved/overhauled.

[jade jackal]

I actually hold the opinion the current mastery system is sort of... the opposite of something like LE. the very early verdict seems to be that you just shove all of your points into the best skill and buff +stat on items, and sort of just go with it

Than again, my PoV is 90% of my time playing a class and a build that benefits the most from this approach

[gilded elm]

There will have to be more itemization, skill/passive changes, or both. But I do expect endgame builds to look as wild as they do in LE.

[jade jackal]

Would like seeing them actually release a roadmap or an expected feature list of some kind

[gilded elm]

For now, I'm assuming there will be more masteries from TQ1 being adapted into TQ2, which means there's a ton of build potential since you can take any two masteries to create a distinct class.

But for now, the choices are quite limited. Especially since each mastery still doesn't have its highest tier of skills/passives yet either.

I wonder if they might bring something like Grim Dawn's Constellations to TQ2, or something else that will contribute a build-enabling/defining part of a build, or whether most of that is going to be part of the itemization instead.

There does seem to be some skill mutations in the mastery trees, but nothing too crazy. I wonder if most of that is going to come from gear or some other system.

More trigger stuff would be great to see as well.

[jade jackal]

There are skill mutations, but its very straight forward

besides applying shields of buffs, it really seems like the current meta is to just build everything around pumping one skill with points, and making sure the rest are related to keeping that skill operating

There are no inter-skill interactions besides activating shields or buffs

[fierce moth]

😅 Jesus, let's allow me to supply some pigments please...

Wait 3 days, but wait a bad news is they're go out of package 😭

The package is broken so pigments are leaked :(

[twilit mountain]

@vagrant topaz good morning, yes

Best I can do due to reflections lol

[vagrant topaz]

Oo

Wind Tempest?

[twilit mountain]

Just very dark, we don't have a ton of lights in the area. It'll be more foggy than Silent Hill in about 4 or 5 hours.

[fierce moth]

Foggy... Remind me of windows in my room is blurry because it's raining here for 2 days. The rain almost ruin my weekly shopping.

I want sunshine now... Too humid

Which difference within moist, damp, wet and humid have?

[true goblet]

moist and damp, in my experience, generally refer to the same thing i.e. 'slight amount of water in air/on surface'. wet would be the 'most' amount of water out of all four. humid would mostly be used to refer to the amount of moisture in the air rather than on surfaces.

if its foggy in your room with condensation on the glass windows, I'd first describe it as humid

with 2 days of rain, outside is definitely 'wet', a light rain would mean its more moist/damp

[fierce moth]

🫡 I see
So
Wet = general case
Humid = how wet the air is
Damp/moist = how wet the surface is, refer to light rain mainly

[true goblet]

sounds about right

[fierce moth]

https://youtu.be/Jdz1I223oFw?si=TEwhD1WawTVHABEE

3d modelling is evolve into this level now!?

Of course, it need precise pictures without background at first.

[true goblet]

perhaps a little late, but I figured out how to change the hotkeys for your Mastery skills: in the mastery screen, you can click+drag to move the skill icon between the different buttons, including the energy barrier. odd way of handling changing the hotkeys and limited to the pre-set hotkey options, but at least its something

[fierce moth]

This detail annoying me all the time.
Poe 2 and le don't have issues like that.

(I mean tq 2)

Controller support
Poe 2 better than le, le better than Poe, Poe better than tq 2

[fierce moth]

Cuteeeeeeee (1/1).

[fierce moth]

Through an education agency for early education. These art attracted me.

I wish I know how to draw art like them while I'm still a child.

I missed the age which imagination is the most...

[junior oyster]

Yea I figured it out pretty quickly lol

[true goblet]

ran into my first actual bug in the game as well, 'Defend the Enclave' can't be completed

prompt with Linus bugs out and just closes dialogue

[junior oyster]

I've only got to the town so idk

[true goblet]

yeah just be aware there's a bug there

[junior oyster]

The fact the town is so far away is crazy

[desert jasper]

oh I had that happen with my ... whatever aura it is on Storm that also has the modifier for storm bolts hitting randomly
it casting the storm bolt closes dialogue

[true goblet]

yeah, there's a bug reporting tool in-game they suggest using, gonna submit a report on this quest bug even though others have as well, just for thoroughness

[desert jasper]

Yeah I kinda forgot to do that yesterday
Will probably do it later today

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1154030/Titan_Quest_II/

It's tq 2 @obtuse rune

[obtuse rune]

Oh yeah, have not played it

[fierce moth]

oh that was tq 2's weekend for me

[obtuse rune]

Heck yeah! Hope it was a good one then

[fierce moth]

Just finding new soundtrack to listen then scrolled...

[fierce moth]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3540918667
Not sure it's fan art or come from official poster, it looks amazing and cool.

[desert jasper]

Started a rogue

Got to say I don't really like how the ailments work
And how much you need to invest in them for them to actually start dealing damage

[true goblet]

just finished main story quests, sheesh moirai temple is big. got just about everything done (there's a bugged quest and probably 1-2 itty bitty side quests I need to finish up), in 13 hours, and I explored everything and mostly took my time

gonna start a mage and tinker with a magic-heavy approach. might even do ice mage 'ez mode'

[desert jasper]

Yeaa I did Ice mage
went pretty much full on ice barrage (or whatever the skill name is) with more proj, homing and some pierce
and then picked rogue mastery as 2nd for extra cast speed

Honestly I got bored of it

[true goblet]

I did the bow approach with basically just bow skills and 1-2 sustained buffs, so just lots of arrows, which got a little repetitive toward the end. given the options for respeccing and also reallocating your attributes, if the game had more than just the first act I'd have probably switched it up with a melee setup just to change things up a bit

also, needs a loot filter so you only see the names of weapons with modifiers you want

[fierce moth]

Hah I think I need one more day. Much more work it need than my expectation...

These rocks are quite tricky

[fierce moth]

👀

Just know you're in tq 2's server too. 👋

[true goblet]

yeah just joined it like 45 minutes ago heh

figured I'd wait until I actually finished the content of the game, such as it is, before hopping into a server where everyone's talking about it

[fierce moth]

ARPG's players are in a common circle
Always can meet a few familiar faces are quite cool!

[abstract karma]

shouldn't be your vision of laptop or any monitor on up corner or slighty above against your eyes ?

Basically your eyes should always watch that monitor a little bit down

[jade jackal]

wow i legit saved a screenshot of that in some moldy old archive

I was always a superfan, always

[fierce moth]

so real...

[radiant helm]

I'll be honest

Having never seen that logo before

it looks quite a bit better then the current one

Reminds me of the diablo2/sacred 2 era

[jade jackal]

When Last Epoch began, it had very simple art design behind it

Just stuff that was poured from concept to game

I wish the KS demo was still playable, but my copy isnt

[radiant helm]

I'll be honest

[jade jackal]

I would love playing the very first public build of LE

[radiant helm]

I'm not a big fan of the visuals on epoch

not as far as grapcs quality, its very pleasing in that front

but i'll be honest, when i first saw the game i tought it was an assetflip

[jade jackal]

I dont know how many of LE's assets are bought, and how many are designed inhouse, but the first public builds were quite rough

LE lived because of its systems, not its visuals lol

[radiant helm]

I wish there were more variety in how things look

[radiant helm]

100%

[jade jackal]

Last Epoch was in fact such a visually unappealing game during its pre Steam days, that by visuals alone another ARPG which did almost nothing but visuals gained a lot more popularity

[radiant helm]

I'll say, the diablo franchise aways did it better then any franchise

maybe grim dawn came close to it

but items look boring in LE

Like, you don't feel like you got a super amazing sword when it looks like a piece of scrap lol

[jade jackal]

I wouldn't rail on LE's design team that hard, definitely not in their own server, but it is relatively simple yes

[radiant helm]

Tho, to be fair, now with diablo 4, it looks great, but everything else about it suck lol

[radiant helm]

Its not my intention to rail, as i said, its not like anything is poorly done, the textures look good, the weapons look good

they just don't look... legendary you know

[jade jackal]

Cosmetics and weapons growth and appeal in power is a weak spot for LE yes

its not Diablo, its not Warhammer

[radiant helm]

Yeah, its basically what i'm saying

i wish also characters weren't class restricted

[jade jackal]

In Diablo items are their own characters. I can see a weapon and its effects and instantly tell what it is

[radiant helm]

since we can't customize, i wish we could atleast use any of the 5 characters in any of the 5 classes

[jade jackal]

Deeper Transmog systems in LE are coming, they are being worked on

[radiant helm]

100%, so many iconic items from the diablo 2/3 days, with stories of its own even beyond game lore.

[jade jackal]

so we can start having more meaningful visuals

[radiant helm]

As i said before, for LE i wish to see 3 things.

Upscaling(DLSS/FSR/XESS)
Some kind of character customization
Transmog

These are 3 things that are missing to me for now

[jade jackal]

You already have 2 of these 3 being practically confirmed

LE does things right, just gradually

[radiant helm]

Oh yeah, i mean, its undeniably the best ARPG currently IMO

POE2 messed up badly, titan quest 2 will take a year to be a game, diablo... sadly haven't released a game since diablo 3, lets go with that.

[jade jackal]

As one Dr3ad says, be excited for the patch after the next patch

[radiant helm]

i am

Tho i wish upscaling specially came soon enough

so i can play it on my ROG ally

[jade jackal]

oh, you want it for a slower machine

ok that makes sense

The newer unity newer version of the game are based on should make this possible

[radiant helm]

Yeah, the issue is, the ally is 1080p, in 1080 it doesn't perform all too well

Issue is, the screen is tiny

and if you lower the res it makes it impossible to read things

upscaling fix this and make it playable

[jade jackal]

Yeah, this is something they will have to implement

the only reason TQ2 has upscaling and framegen and so, is because newer version of UE5 essentially "give it" for free

[radiant helm]

TQ2 still very poorly optimized as well

[jade jackal]

Very very much so, and i sort of dug into why

[radiant helm]

even in my main PC isn't performing all too well, and i got a 9070xt

´But anyway, even if it was optimized, its pretty much a demo anyway

[jade jackal]

yea its a cute little demo

[radiant helm]

so its not a big deal, by the time its released it should be decent

Speaking of that, they really should have released it as a demo and allow presales

I believe public reception would have been far more positive

Maybe released in early access in december

[jade jackal]

I dont think TQ2 will ever exapnd into LE's current amount of content and gameplay replayability to be honest

they seem to have chosen a traditional one and done scope, and i respect that

but performance is utter ass yes, and their requirement of an RX 6700 XT as a minimum spec for an isometric RPG is absolutely crazy. Even the most visually intensive games today aim lower

very very poorly optimized

[radiant helm]

To be fair, TQ1 specially with the DLCs has a very fair amouth of content

I believe i played about 60 hours or so

You can make one and done games with lots of content

[teal flame]

Grim Dawn also proves that you can just keep releasing expansions and it works pretty well. Don't need seasons and a live environment

[fierce moth]

😂 Top 1 winner I guessed is right, but #2 and #3 is wrong. It's sad to hear 4x14 get nothing by his excellent illustrations...

The result: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3822457/page/1#p26273196

🤔 So, judges from GGG prefer colourful works. Black and white works is an unique art style but it's not their tea.

[blissful token]

Pre-registration for Ro3 if you are interested

https://ro3global.com/

I think its only for certain region though

[fierce moth]

Oh my Jesus 🤣 Too amazing... Look like it's a real epic work now.

[sudden anchor]

That's yours?

[fierce moth]

I used a reel template with my work.

[fierce moth]

Flooded farmlands.

[fierce moth]

Ohhhhhh first time to try snack from New Zealand 👋

Cool, very yummy. I should try base milk bean next time

[fierce moth]

🙃 Stash don't be shared. Alright tq 2 force me to play solo self-found

[vagrant topaz]

From what I heard

1st stash is not shared

Other stashes after that are

[desert jasper]

The first page of stash isn't yeah
you have to buy 2nd page and that is

I was confused about it

[junior oyster]

So it's like grim dawn then

[desert jasper]

Grim Dawn has it more clearly that "this is your personal stash" and "shared"

[junior oyster]

Yea

And you get a few more personal and a few more shared tabs

[fierce moth]

..........

Sorry, I don't understand what the sense of "items in free stash can't be shared unless you paid the 2nd stash" is

[junior oyster]

The first stash is a personal stash

Second stash is shared

You buy second stash to put items in for sharing

[fierce moth]

Why we want to sort our stash as "personal" and "shared"?

[junior oyster]

Idk it's how they designed the game

It's an offline game so I don't see why we can't have near limitless storage

[desert jasper]

most likely they'll plan to make it online

[karmic nimbus]

There is multiplayer but its not full online game ever

[twilit mountain]

Throwing a brick at Diablo 2 for influencing dumbass ideas in modern games

[maiden widget]

cant blame old games, can blame new devs tho :p

[mental talon]

I don't blame Diablo 2, I blame people/developers who act like the world hasn't evolved past some of the design decisions from Diablo 2.

[twilit mountain]

You can replace "some of the" with "damn near every"

[maiden widget]

its surprising they didnt return the stamina bar yet

what a great and fun concept for like 20min of the game where it sucks ass then becomes completely irrelevant

[fierce moth]

🤔

[mental talon]

<@&1161418687471956101> ^

[fierce moth]

hah this thing is interesting, here's a collection page, record which unique weapons & unique jeweleries you collected, which masteries you used to complete act x. I just seen that from a turn-based strategy game before.

[twilit mountain]

Oh that's pretty cool

[fierce moth]

I think I will spend some time to collect all unique weapons/jeweleries after tq 2 have more contents

Some people already addicted on this task even ea only.

Their basic frame is nice, but balance is seriously poor

[desert jasper]

I've to say
my rogue + warfare has so much lower survivability than warfare+ earth
it's not even a contest

[torn zinc]

I hope you’ll enjoy my new Diablo and DxD combo illustration! If you’re familiar with the series and the game this time I’ve drawn Shuri Himejima from DxD and the Bloodied Wolf from Diablo together in a fantasy themed piece!

I honestly had a lot of fun working on this project!

Do let me know what you think and if you have a fav character from either DxD or Diablo I’d love to hear about it ♥️

[fierce moth]

The experience as a cold elementalist just 10x better than being a battlemage... That's the normal level I want for a mastery I will say. Lightning one.... Sigh, the same issue with physical skills. Too much energy cost + no homing so even heavy damage they have, the experience still bad.

Homing just too important... It's annoying when my skills must target at single enemy precisely because I must keeping running to dodge attack so ice shards just OP.

[desert jasper]

You used spells as battlemage, right?
I didn't use any apart from auras

No need for tracking when you're right next to the enemy & slapping their face silly

and tanking all their dmg with hp regen

[fierce moth]

yes, I played both of them with the same combo, main attack + bonus aura + teleport skill (the one in earth is improving ms only... Pretty trash compare with the one in storm)

[desert jasper]

yeah see
you were playing a spellcaster when you were supposed to be an actual offensive tank

though I guess the game does allow it so whatever

I didn't even use a "teleport" skill
I used leap which is indeed movement but eh

Earth was very much just passives + the aura

[fierce moth]

My brain is black hole when I meet a boss

Have slain Pan before but still be killed by Pan consistently

The range of shock wave brought by the ground bash from Pan is too big to run to safety space so the only defense is my armour. But shock wave can reduce 90% of my health...

I HOPE MY MOVEMENT SPEED IS MORE. Pan always let me think why default ms is so slow

How I died. No way available really.

[fierce moth]

Sent 7 feedback in total, the journey of tq 2 suppose to be ended. Wait the future update. 🫡

[karmic nimbus]

8 points is max on arcane abundance

weirdly some passives shows lvl 9 also which cant be taken obviously

[teal flame]

It looks like because of the way the dodge happened, you stayed "in" the wave as it went outward and it just deleted you

[jade jackal]

Anyone else gets weird unsolicited DMs from here?

[placid yarrow]

Happens in most big public servers. Please report it to the modmail bot (top of the user list) and just block em. Discord does have a system to detect "unusual dm activity" but it doesn't catch all of them

[tawny sand]

yeah i have dm's turned off unless they add me first

i was getting scam spam a lot

[twilit mountain]

Here and every other server for games I keep an eye on

[tawny sand]

In a small music discord I'm in, there was someone that was there for a while and talked to everyone. Like over months, asked a few people they were talking to to try out a game they were working on. Was a github link so people thought it was safe.

turned out it was ransomware 💀

[twilit mountain]

Incredible

[tawny sand]

yeah, it was like 3 people that got ransomed int he discord

[twilit mountain]

The only one of those I've ever engaged was because I knew the person behind it and their project was for school, which had the backing of being able to check it was his project in his class (which I will not be naming where because I do not wish to dox the dude lol)

[tawny sand]

lol

yeah idk, usually i just get scam attempts. but i thought that one i mentioned was pretty sophisticated. Idk if the dude was hacked that did it and someone used his account, or if he legit just bided his time over months to get trust

[twilit mountain]

Could be either, that's the wildest part I'd say

[tawny sand]

for real yeah

i never heard from the person that did it again though

[blissful token]

Looks like a decent boss

I saw rax using the same skill and just kill everything o.o

[fierce moth]

Yes, no idea why I and Poe streamers play a different game although it's the same game...

I prefer to farm items in le other than tq 2... It's boring on replayability of tq 2 because their boss combats are boring, confusing and hard

Play it 19h is my max

[fierce moth]

Oh. That's so cool!
I learnt how to check out values now.

👀 Never paint drink yet. It'll be a cool object to try!

[fierce moth]

@green nexus These're past works I made, so I learning a 100% new direction and that's wonderful :)

https://www.artstation.com/kirra_luan

The circle of glass is hard to draw accurately

[fierce moth]

This sketch spent me 3h lol
Just to figure out the scale and layout.

The quality of canvas is quite good so not much tracks on erasing.

[blissful token]

If only Ave sees this..

[desert jasper]

Truly the best weapon

Right after the corn gunlance

[fierce moth]

Swordfish?

[desert jasper]

It is a Greatsword in monster hunter

[fierce moth]

Base 44 is the next ad which the most common one I seen in youtube after artlist

[vast venture]

unexpected chronicon patch

[twilit mountain]

@vagrant topaz

[vagrant topaz]

[ebon meadow]

That looks tasty holy

One of my friends used to be a cook and Italian lol I have eaten so much fresh tiramisu ....

So as an Italian carbonara

[fierce moth]

Update.

The result is fingers of my right hand are twitching keep the same pose for too long time

Today I learnt:
Dark grey and grey blue is a great combo :)

[fierce moth]

... Mobile discord have a new bug, chat and chat are overlapping 😵

[ebon meadow]

oppo has few buggs its time to upg device

mine is surviving after 6 years somehow now

but it does this random weird things and stall i think it had enough , it got a good time on osrs farming to

[acoustic jungle]

Only saw this goofy ahh picture now.

💀

[maiden widget]

Nice

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/drawing/comments/1mjkgh2/grief_ink_drawing_by_me/
Daily cool artwork sharing (1/1)

[fierce moth]

My sanity better a lot after it's be drained by painting...Never overthink for 2 weeks, the same duration after I started to paint :)

[blissful token]

Yarn! 🧶

[fierce moth]

Yo the day is darker and darker...
Heavy rain coming soon

I still don't figure out what should I eat tonight

[blissful token]

Hotpot for rainy day

[fierce moth]

alright, I asked any chances for showing my fan art to dev team of tq 2, but the request be ignored

🤷‍♀️

Their fan created contents channel is for sharing "something I made about tq 2" only, literally.

[fierce moth]

No idea do this car available in another countries too, but I suppose it's #2 class in Benz

#1 is SL(it's stop to be produced now) & S-class couple
#2 is CLS
#3 is E-class couple

The ranking base on the aesthetic and luxury level

I like no-frame glass doors so much

[fierce moth]

Anyone see the difference between 2 grey here?
Right side vs left side.
Oh I have 2 pictures. The second one will show the difference more clearly I guess.

[placid yarrow]

Bottom one in picture #2 is glossier I think

Like more shiny

[fierce moth]

Thanks.

I'm sorry to say the top one in picture 2 is what I want but I can't get that again

It brings huge colour difference...

[fierce moth]

Oh..,The pigment brand I'm using is come from Australia.
Pastel grey don't available even I search that in the official website, that's quite tough and depressing...

Alright. Art is dynamic... Fine, I did the best to find pastel grey already. I can't solve any colour difference from paint themselves unfortunately.

But I still want to say physical painting is sucks sometimes due to this reason.

So the 6th paint will have different grey

[ebon meadow]

That looks sick ,could be a good tattoo

[ebon meadow]

I actually drove an SL V12 once belong to my father's good friend ,I would never had that car in my life lol that thing accelerate like a freaking formula 1

Defenetly would have an accident in less than one week

Sl 65 AMG

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRCLjtl9lg

No sure do we talking the same version, but 2014 version is the impression of sl left in my mind

I have addicted in learning different cars especially Benz in 2013-2015

Not familiar with the latest version of Benz's classes now, just know they're chaos and much more versions are out

[gilded elm]

Man, this is crazy: https://medium.com/activated-thinker/breaking-open-ai-announces-1-5-million-bonus-for-every-employee-29d057b9d590

Breaking: Open AI announces $1.5 Million Bonus for Every Employee

This is vested over 2 years, but basically every current OpenAI employee is receiving a $1,500,000 bonus. This is enough to comfortably retire with a brokerage account in the US.

[fierce moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbL5xwbEzW8
Force gaming review tq 2 too

[fierce moth]

I'll laugh from the dream if I can get so much money in my life

to be honest, the number is enough for letting me to feel everything I did or doing are bland.

AI just too crazy as a money machine 🙃

The first thing I'll do is fly all over the world to travel and join different game exhibitions to play with lot of money like that

[acoustic jungle]

Makes perfect sense. If even smaller companies like mine offer both big signing bonuses, as well as some type of equity with competitive vesting periods, then AI engineers should get exponentially more. And those are random, shitty (relative to) companies that are nowhere near the bleeding edge that truth-to-heart-AI is. By all means, given the money that's flowing in, the impact they bring, them getting $2-3M/year feels like a steal.

One engineer that led our AI-centric efforts was offered an obnoxious amount, and we simply wouldn't cover an 8-figure offer.

Everyone - and I mean everyone - that's not now "fearing" AI is delusional. It was just hype 2 years ago, but now we ourselves are using AI on things adjacent to critical stuff. It's, as the kids say, joever.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, this was apparently done in response to Meta/Facebook poaching OpenAI engineers with huge signing bonuses.

[acoustic jungle]

I read the $100-1BN figures. No point in yapping from the outside, only they know, but I definitely believe it.

[gilded elm]

There's a lot of money circulating in AI tech right now, it's insane.

These engineers probably already earn 300-500k/yr in salary, so this bonus might not seem as huge to them as the rest of us, but man I'd retire young.

[acoustic jungle]

To be honest, the moment I saw this drop: https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.09748 we all got depressed, because we knew that something that, in theory was possible, was now proven to not only be possible, but easy. Rooting the generation in some source of truth so that it can maintain consistency was the "Holy Grail".

I would've been looking for a new job like ~2 years ago as an artist. The argument that the good people will still have a job no longer applies.

[acoustic jungle]

Generally not how those people work, I found. You work on interesting things - why retire?

I can't see myself not dying while doing work, because it's very interesting.

This is probably a big component for why they didn't take Zuck's offers 🤷‍♀️

[gilded elm]

Sure, I just meant relative to me. I'm not an ambitious, career-oriented person. I can understand wanting to be part of something bigger than yourself if the work is fun, especially in a cutting edge field like AI, but that's not my own personal mentality or at least I haven't found any work to be so fulfilling where I wouldn't want to retire young and do my own thing.

[acoustic jungle]

Very humble of you to recognize that. Yep. Well, once (hopefully) you find that something, you'll lose track of time doing it.

Not to mention that those people are all Ivy'd PhDs and the likes. Extremely competitive people. Bred to compete. I can only speak on my behalf, but every time you talk to me, all I can think of is a way of how I can get one up, or your weaknesses, and so on. The game is fun just for that alone. Every single person with a PhD I've met - if they weren't, uh...word I can't use here 😄 - were the same.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I could see that. I'm inherently not a very competitive person. I have a tendency to choke up in critical moments and also tend to be incapable of "I can do better, I can win" competitive mentality.

It's been a very long time since I "loved my work" unfortunately. I long for those times, when I was "working" in my personal time as well because I genuinely loved what I do. I just became very disillusioned over the years of working in unfulfilling tech jobs.

Nowadays I focus more on personal finances, financial literacy and working towards as early of a retirement as possible lol

[acoustic jungle]

Understandable, and while many people see that as giving up, to be fair, it's the smarter route. Just because you try hard enough, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Could you, in theory, indefinitely keep the fight up? Sure? Is it worth it? Probably not, especially if you're of a certain age, and you missed the train (ageism is real, it's very real).

Being good with your finances and trying to find some reasonable spot in your life is a smart goal, I'd say.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, financial freedom is a huge motivator because it feels like it unlocks all of my mind's doors to pursue my own interests unimpeded by concerns of livelihood or distractions of an employer's business goals. 38 right now, hoping to "retire" (unofficially) before 50 heh

I definitely can see how it seems like "giving up" from some perspectives, that I'm choosing not to apply myself more and that may be true, maybe it is a lack of willpower and I just didn't try hard enough I can't say for sure tbh.

But yeah I think I also just recognize how old I am and where the wind is blowing in the tech industry.

[acoustic jungle]

I used to blame people like this. It's not age that changed my opinion, but rather, practical observations of our reality. Seriously. In this day and age, unless you're a hyper learner, you generally don't stand out. In the past 5 years, the world as a whole has changed drastically, and while there were massive hiring sprees during COVID, not everyone got lucky to land a cozy-do-nothing-all-day job, where you could pay off your mortgage in a few years.

As of right now, unless you're a wizkid or have a decent paper trail, it's just an uphill battle. I'm very privileged. I've gotten tremendously lucky my entire life, and hadn't realized just how tough it is until recently.

Legitimately cannot fault people for not spending 18h/day just getting better at their jobs.

I'm speaking about the world moving from a graduate being able to reasonably find a job to it being nigh impossible.

[acoustic jungle]

Specifically for tech, there's this added problem of 4fun engineers. I didn't want to believe it, but like ~1.5 years ago, my partner introduced me to a friend of his, who has a sub-contracting company. Its HQ in the US. 5,000+ employees easily. He explained to me that 70-80% of all the people they look at, don't know basics. They legitimately cannot write code. They can't. The entire industry realized this, and started the chopping. I know it sounds outrageous, but you have last-year students not knowing what an array is.

It really is that bad...but also predictable. Tell everyone to become an engineer, you'll get an influx of low-quality applicants and people who don't care.

[gilded elm]

I expect this will get worse before it gets better, with AI being used to augment and supplement incompetent developers.

[acoustic jungle]

It's an absolute disaster. Companies, at large, now employing anti-AI tactics.

I have it on good authority that a FAANG (or whatever the term is nowadays) company is gonna largely go back to on-site only due to it.

Do I blame people? Na. Idiotic companies that write CRUD slops hiring as if they were Google.

But it really does create huge issues for everyone involved.

[gilded elm]

To crack down on "vibe coders?" That's nuts

[acoustic jungle]

Yes. As of right now, RIGHT NOW, virtually everyone important is employing anti-AI software and paradigms.

[gilded elm]

You know what's hilarious? Quin69 is vibe coding right now with GPT-5 on stream. He knows nothing about coding, he is a prime example of such an employee you were just describing lmao https://www.twitch.tv/quin69

This is becoming increasingly mainstream.

[acoustic jungle]

Yes, this is extremely problematic.

It'll be 10+ years before we no longer need engineers. If that reality ever comes. Our guess is, engineers are just becoming something that largely architect. Writing code will just turn into writing specs, and guiding the entire system as a whole.

But until then? This type of crap will decimate the average engineer's chances of getting a job.

[rugged marsh]

Chat gpt 5 just dropped

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5/

[gilded elm]

Yep, hence why I'm focusing on financial freedom right now, I see where things are going

I know how old I am and what I can most likely accomplish in the next 10 years, it's not enough to stave off what's coming.

[acoustic jungle]

This is a harsh reality, but it helps tremendous if you know and understand it. The reality is, AI will start shaking up all industries, and the basic social and economic contract of countries themselves will start to shake.

AI hasn't yet taken jobs. But its promises did.

And those that know how to use it, are getting a lot of value out of it, so, it is absolutely working. Once the "right way" goes mainstream, it's when we'll see problems.

#📚┃off-topic message - this is what we built internally, and it's what Amazon recently released, and it's what we think is the key to fixing hallucinations and dead-end-loops.

[gilded elm]

Yep, that's the reality I agree. And the number of "right ways" will only increase as AI continues to develop.

[acoustic jungle]

Alas, I must admit that, as someone who was involved in geopolitics and decision-making about societies as a whole, it saddens me that our leaders are largely sitting idly. I mean...you know, it's fun to have everything, don't get me wrong, but going out on the streets, and there being nobody?

There's practically no serious talks about UBI or anything of the sorts in any country.

[gilded elm]

People are quick to dismiss the impact of AI in a lot of creative markets specifically based on how it's been used thusfar and how well/poorly it works. It's not about what AI can do now, it's about what it can do in 10 years from now.

[acoustic jungle]

There is a practical and easy reality in which the normal person gets to keep existing, but everything points to this not being wanted, by prism of ignorance, and that's sad.

[gilded elm]

I'm a big proponent in UBI, especially in proportion to how much of society is automated. For example, a machine/automation tax.

[acoustic jungle]

Correct, but right now, a lot of companies are using it to create REAL value. Real value that wasn't possible years ago. That's already happening. Perhaps you're talking about a bigger scale?

Then yes, effective AI usage has not yet widely spread.

[gilded elm]

Not just the models themselves, but also the hardware. As both of these things advance, the scope of AI will encompass almost every part of daily society.

[sudden anchor]

Will they release 4.5 as baseline for plus users? I dont see neither that or 5 atm.

[acoustic jungle]

Well, specifically, the current progress of AI is due to hardware advancements. You can read on the Transformer architecture, and how we knew about bits of it from the 1970s, but it was Google's "Attention Is All You Need" that harmonized the hardware and maths that made it possible.

[gilded elm]

Context windows get bigger, GPUs get faster etc.

[acoustic jungle]

But it wouldn't have been possible without the hardware. Never.

[acoustic jungle]

I guess society is "lucky" that, at least as of now "context window rot" is a thing - even with a lot of hardware, current SOTA models just get caught up in the details, and just can't focus enough for them to be of use at that scale.

Sure, Gemini has a 1M context window, but it degrades terribly after a few dozen thounsads, depending on the task.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, just imagine we get to a point where a model can actually focus on the entire window. That's just one facet of advancement of course, but it will have a drastic impact on the scope of AI.

[acoustic jungle]

Practically guaranteed to not happen for at least until a massive breakthrough in the undelying maths and hardware happens. Multiple well-cited and understood papers talking about "LLM scaling laws".

Well, it depends on who you trust, however. Yann LeCun has largely been on the money about his predictions, but he's not hot, so, he's been pushed to the side a bit, but he's probably the person to follow in regards to grounded AI research 😛

OpenAI's/Google's researchers don't really keep an open profile (haha!), so, you can't really hear their real thoughts on the matter.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I'm no expert, but I expect some significant advancements in hardware in the next decade. One positive side of this situation in my personal case is that I work for a cloud computing company and GPU is a big part of our business strategy which at least makes us in a more secure position than most other tech companies.

[acoustic jungle]

Well, the papers are easy to read and surprisingly easy to parse.

It'll help you ground some of the hype things you see on the screen.

Actually think a big part for that is, those people aren't exactly in a government-funded program, and can just write for other peers. Nobody really checks these, so, it's like the Wild West, but the researchers, at large, don't have a need to sound fancy.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762 surprisingly easy read, given how groundbreaking this was. Yet you have some rando goofy ahh ass research from some 4th world country, and you need to know Ancient Egyptian to understand it 😭

[gilded elm]

True, I should. I have a fairly simple understanding of the various models, transformers, diffusion models etc. It would be good to have a more grounded understanding to better anticipate what the state of AI might look like a few years from now.

[acoustic jungle]

Yea, but ultimately, nobody knows until they know, and then we all know.

[gilded elm]

Basically though, it sounds like we shouldn't expect any major leaps (at least on the scale of the past few years), is that about right?

[acoustic jungle]

Correct, not as per the scaling laws we currently have.

[gilded elm]

Short of some unlikely technological breakthrough, yeah

[acoustic jungle]

That's not to say there's no "danger". At the end of the day, we keep seeing lots of new ways to combine things, and Amazon's recent release was a major wake-up-call.

But we won't be reaching any mass AI usefulness in the next 5 years guaranteed. Probably not in the next 10, not without what was mentioned before.

[gilded elm]

I've seen "AGI by 2030" but this seems extremely optimistic lol

[acoustic jungle]

Both from public and private conservation from legislators, VCs, etc., while the "danger" is there, mass AI adoption is still so, so far, and we're strictly only speaking about its capabilities.

...let alone regulation that would stop it, a "robotax" as you mentioned, etc.

I don't imagine gov'ts will stay ignorant FOREVER, just afraid they'll be too late, and will allow companies owning AI technology to roam free, basically without any regulation, killing entire industries.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, it's not like it'll happen overnight. It'll be a slow burn, which makes it more insidious and harder to fight against.

The "line" is always harder to determine when you're slowly chipping away.

[acoustic jungle]

Yes. And because the entire world is now in a pseudo-recession, and civil unrest is growing even more due to diminishing standards of living, this is a bad mix. A reallllllllllly bad mix.

We've seen the rise of a certain type of politics and rhetoric as well. I don't suppose those people are exactly keen on helping the average Joe.

And we've also seen the rise of people who don't recognize that rhetoric, accept it thinking it'll never happen to them, and then they vote in people who told them precisely and exactly how they're gonna steal their livelihood, but the average Joe will just say "oh, they're just kidding"

Well, alright, Joe. How do you like your 7-10% interest rate?

[gilded elm]

It'll be interesting (and I suspect very sad) to see where the "tipping point" is where action is taken against the total lack of job opportunities for the average Joe.

[acoustic jungle]

That is guaranteed to happen, and I'm genuinely worried for how governments will react to the mass civil unrest.

There's more reason to think negatively about this than positively, unfortunately.

And it's sad to say, but that's the grounded answer. I wish one could say "bro, it's a 50/50". It's not.

[gilded elm]

Inevitably there will be a portion of society who simply say "Learn a skill in demand" but what they don't understand is that "skills in demand" will continue to shrink as the pool gets smaller and smaller due to the advent of AI and with more and more people squeezed out of their old careers entering an "in demand" industry that is ever increasingly saturating.

[acoustic jungle]

As I said above, I don't picture mass riots until right the very end. It'll just be a slow decay of opportunities, and before anyone realizes it, suddenly, you don't have a lot of options and a lot of slots to get into these industries.

[gilded elm]

I agree. It'll be a slow decay that harms the least privileged, working its way up slowly and slowly. Insidious.

[acoustic jungle]

I just pulled a random message outta nowhere 💀

[gilded elm]

[acoustic jungle]

bro didn't take his meds fr

[gilded elm]

Perhaps human creativity will prevail, new job opportunities will be born, new industries created. But I doubt human-based job creation will outpace AI and automation for very long.

[acoustic jungle]

I hope so, too. It's so goddamn sad that you end up with a few billions in your pockets, and instead of saying "alright, let's help others", you go the other route. I've been extremely blessed, and just cannot wrap my head around being an evolved human specimen, in 2025, and thinking you need to have $1B+.

What a crazy concept.

Perfectly understood and predictable, however. Still, it's those things you think only exists in books.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I have strong opinions about that. We're very desensitized to it now, and I think most people (perhaps even myself) cannot truly comprehend exactly how much money $1B is. It's an obscene amount of money.

[acoustic jungle]

Your life gets exponentially better at just $1M nowadays (adjusted for every location), let alone $10M, let alone $100M, let alone $1B.

[acoustic jungle]

That is a big problem, yes. People, at large, just cannot comprehend how much influence and power that $1B buys you.

And that power usually goes towards making sure you get your own way, to the detriment of others. Sadly.

[gilded elm]

I think people see $10M and $1B and think they're both a lot of money but don't think much more of it than that. They aren't truly considering the scale of $1B.

[acoustic jungle]

I've been blessed to have smarter friends than that, so, am happy to say am surrounded by "the good kind", but meeting people rocking $30-40k suits and owning toys worth dozens of millions is goofy. It's just pathetic.

[gilded elm]

The thing is, $30k-$40k suits are completely affordable and basically pocket change for someone with $100M, let alone $1B

[sand wigeon]

My take is that if you have money you can afford yourself Mike and Ike Mega Mix theater packs by the hundreds. And I cannot afford Mike and Ike Mega Mix theater packs by the hundreds. And that makes me sad.

[acoustic jungle]

Now, am I saying you should NEVER buy those things? Maybe...but what I'm saying is - buy your cool toys, and then just, at the very least, invest your remaining wealth into something good.

Not because you care about the others, but for a simple reason: if you kill all the peasants, who builds your monuments?

[gilded elm]

Someone with $1B can give hundreds of generations of their family a luxurious lifestyle.

[sand wigeon]

If you kill all the kings nothing bad happens.

[acoustic jungle]

They should be allowed to do that, but $1B far exceeds the requirement for that.

Anyways, the reason for this discussion was how there' very real and founded worry for why things will not go well in the future.

And that scares me, even if I'm privileged myself.

[sand wigeon]

Nooo, who would’ve guessed.

[acoustic jungle]

And what scares me most if, the truly wealthy and powerful people are largely short-sighted in this manner.

[gilded elm]

As someone fairly privileged, I also fear for the future of the job market and social safety nets being inadequate the tackle the advent of AI and automation.

[sand wigeon]

Hey, you two?

Just going to say this. The “social safety nets” you’re worried about practically never existed in the first place.

[acoustic jungle]

Yea, that's exponentially worse. But the fact that you're thinking about it, will hopefully give you an advantage.

[sand wigeon]

As someone who, in another life, could benefit from those safety nets, they’re not safe, and they’re not nets.

Some are even intended to keep you in an underprivileged state.

[gilded elm]

The US is a mess in particular, they exist and in many US states at least there are some good programs but yes there are more institutional problems across the board that tie into wealth and opportunities for most people who end up in poverty. That said, that only makes the situation being described even worse once it really starts to sink in and take over.

[sand wigeon]

I live in a state with possibly the best social safety net in the country. It is still not enough.

Nor anywhere close to enough.

[twilit mountain]

The one social safety net I use because I can't afford to get it normally is actively being defunded and is likely to disappear within a decade :)

[sand wigeon]

And some governmental nets punish you for trying to progress past needing them.

Look at disability benefits. You will actively lose disability benefits if you get a job that pays more than them, which is stupid and dumb, and encourages people to not progress.

[gilded elm]

The gap between qualifying and not qualifying for Medicaid comes to mind.

You make too much money for Medicaid, but not enough for any health coverage that is as good as Medicaid is a fairly common example of that.

[sand wigeon]

Mm.

[acoustic jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building-walking-the-street-gif-16400025

[sand wigeon]

Embed fail

L

[acoustic jungle]

Whatever the original message was.

THERE ARE SITUATIONS IN WHICH IT'S MORAL TO LIE

[sand wigeon]

I lie 24/7

I wasn’t aware there were situations it wasn’t

[gilded elm]

I'd personally be afraid of them collating with IRS or state income records and knowing that I'm lying lol

[acoustic jungle]

Huh, attaching GIFs works, but not links.

[gilded elm]

No auto-embeds, but uploading works

[acoustic jungle]

(for reference, that's Milko Kaladzhiev, since everybody asked!)

[acoustic jungle]

Well, I'm not gonna continue with this topic, but yea. I'm keeping my ban slot for calling someone in #💬┃general some name or so.

Eagles would LOVE to take me out for "basically dude was saying how to do crime".

Ain't gonna give the opps bullets fr

[sand wigeon]

Yeah because you’re an ass

[gilded elm]

No problem. This was a very civil conversation and it was good to hear others' thoughts on it :)

[acoustic jungle]

Same, I enjoyed it. I always enjoy talking to practically anyone else from outside my world that has some brains.

I reckon this account gets nuked in the next week or so, if the trash in #💬┃general keeps going, so, this is an upfront 🫡 from me.

[gilded elm]

Maybe I'll bug you in private on rare occassion for AI info lol

[acoustic jungle]

(I'll be on the next account the next microsend tho)

[acoustic jungle]

Sure, I put you on the whitelist. I don't have DMs open randomly.

You can imagine someone like me calling out every idiotic thing not exactly getting...uh...quality DMs 😭

Cue to the point about "talking like it's just you and me nowadays" from before.

There are quite a few smart people who clearly have respect for thinking about things, but it's too rare.

AND HOW I WISH THIS WAS JUST A "GUYS HAHA I'M SMARTER THAN YOU RANT"

BUT GO TO #💬┃general AND SEE 😭

"krafton killed ehg lol u guys are dead byeeee" goofy ahh type stuff

[gilded elm]

I deliberely seek out opposing view points. It's just in my nature to try and understand. I am strongly against dismissing opinions out of hand, even the crazier sounding ones. This has served me well over the years.

[acoustic jungle]

That's admirable and you're right, at least baseline. I know precisely what you mean, but I'd like to add that an opinion doesn't need to be something I agree/disagree with. It just has to be reasonable. I was dead-set-on the fact that #💬┃general needs a leash on release days, and while it's bad, I think it was Cyborg or Eagles that told me that - because they're 24/7, they can see this better - for the most part, it's "cool". Now, I don't know them enough, but I can trust, given their past interactions and position, that they wouldn't be lying about it (even if they'd have an interest, but alas), and that got me thinking - ha, something I felt strongly about, but possibly because I was biased due to having a bad streak of ONLY looking in that channel at the bad times when it was spammed.

That's the only requirement one should have from others, at least if we're talking about living happily, and it's the bare minimum: think about your crap before you write.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, I agree, I enjoy debating and discussing as long as it's well reasoned and absent ad hominem. There are opinions I share with some controversial figures and there's a good chance many people who think me reasonable or normal would be quick to label me one thing or another if I ever revealed those beliefs, which I do find to be a sad state of affairs.

[acoustic jungle]

me and bro happily getting on a watchlist together (we already are on like 15+)

[gilded elm]

Can't believe Quin made this clown ass game with Cursor and GPT-5 lmao

Hahaha, the credits

[acoustic jungle]

HANDSUP

[gilded elm]

He just prompted it to integrate with Twitch chat and it spewed a whole Twitch chat IRC integration that spawns enemies from chatters lmao

[fierce moth]

Hah they're right... It's not just mix of black and white

[fierce moth]

But multiple pastel yellow and pink I have so... 😵 It need much more colour testings

Just counted, 24 colours wait me to test

Hah that's a bit overwhelming... It mean lots of time

[fierce moth]

Did a bit error and trial, colour from pastel red mix with grey is the closest one, but still have colour difference. I guess pastel red + pastel yellow 🤔

I'm finding what the tone the official add in pastel grey to let it look warmer

[fierce moth]

🎉 figured it out. The tone of pastel grey come from combo of these tubes showed in the photo.

[keen wind]

I find this utterly hilarious coming from a person who blocked me because they couldn't figure out what to do with the fact I use my brain and had to make up a strawman against me to avoid engaging a disagreeing thought

[keen wind]

Yeah I find this to have served me well to, these days I'm usually the person that can bridge the gap when there's one of those online arguments where everyone's talking past each other - though obviously sometimes it turns out that now everyone is unhappy that I'm not 100% siding with them but that's usually a good sign that it's not worth engaging anyway, the other times it's fantastic

[keen wind]

That's impressive, I actually would not be able to tell that that's the correct one

[gilded elm]

Man, I love this game so much

[fierce moth]

Yes colour difference is tricky to deal with especially for physical painting because mixing colours requires artists quite sensitive for nuance on colours.

It's the app which brought me the first time on recognizinh gradient colours(It must updated a lot)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logisk.chroma

To be honest I have no idea how to think which colours on where is correct too when the difficulty is max (that's a level in expert level)

Gradient colours can transform into multiple tricky puzzles

[desert jasper]

Korvaak is a good fight (also as a side note: korva in finnish means Ear)

[fierce moth]

Maybe apple store have similar apps to play.
I can't afford to play them anyways... I select to play gradient colours with acrylic paint directly

[fierce moth]

the roadmap of tq 2 is quite brief

[placid yarrow]

I'm surprised they're prioritizing things like new masteries and character creators instead of just going all in on the campaign. But maybe they can work on them in tandem so it doesn't really slow down the campaign content seeing as how there's a new chapter too

[fierce moth]

Just spent 2h to polish the ground by adding details and overlap gradient light grey blues/dark grey blue...

Hah I want to take a rest before figure out how to draw ice's textures, add plants and paint stem on these persimmons.

I have no idea how to draw ices yet

[tawny sand]

dang, not till 2026 for a lot of stuff huh. How many times was TQ2 delayed?

[twilit mountain]

That's not too bad assuming they mean like the first few months

[placid yarrow]

Yeah there's not a whole lot left of 2025 tbf

[fierce moth]

I guess that's the dream job for Hallow.

It have a chance to co-op with the art team and the combat team, so cool

[sand wigeon]

I would hate that job lol

Also I don’t have the experience for it

[fierce moth]

why?

Experience part is what EHG filter people who too young so just ignore that

That's the common in the whole game industry

[desert jasper]

Does she really need to explain it

[fierce moth]

Sorry I don't understand

[twilit mountain]

Kirra she writes out of passion and care for her own stories, having to do that under someone else's direction/professional standards and practices would kill her drive for writing

[fierce moth]

Make sense, I'll prefer to build the own brand to paint too if choice is available

[twilit mountain]

(She is at work atm as well, so she can't really talk much)

[desert jasper]

I wish I was at work
though then again it's almost 10pm so I should be sleeping soon 🤔
the choises

[hot crown]

...Take a guess which game (or rather games) I've unearthed from the abyss of my storage...

Freaking BEJEWELED. Three of 'em. Namely 2, 3, and Twist.

[fierce moth]

hah Chris still hiring dreamy art director

1 open job -> 3 open jobs

[karmic nimbus]

ooh happy day, rod fergusson is leaving blizzard

[hot crown]

Context?

[karmic nimbus]

https://x.com/RodFergusson/status/1953881496013689332

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2euoESAtc

[desert jasper]

4 big launches...
let me guess, d3, d3 dlc
d4 + d4 dlc?

[karmic nimbus]

he wasnt making d3

d4, d immortal, d2r

idk what he means by 4 big launches

[astral marsh]

Probably D4 expansion

[fierce moth]

🤔 who this old man is...

Sigh, 3 games on the list is which I heard only

Too young curse is locking me lol

oh, nice to watch Hawg's video again

wait?..........

1 years ago

Alright, I even no idea what "diablo-like ARPG" means 1 year ago. Cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvjSF2rFkzE
anyone can tell me why Hawg is so hyped after heard this old mean leave Blizzard?

[unique void]

because Rod is generally blamed for killing the franchises he works on

specifically Gears of War and the diablo stuff

[sand wigeon]

Yeah pretty much

[mental talon]

Oh Rod's gone? Neat.

[hot crown]

Understood.

[sand wigeon]

I have enough years of writing experience, I just don’t have enough years of video game writing experience

Which is what it calls for

[junior stirrup]

Rod was the Diablo-like lad, right?

[gilded elm]

Yes lol

Also the "Malignant Tunnels" guy

[maiden widget]

i still find it funny how clammed up people got with diablo like

[fierce moth]

Past walls and plants VS Current walls and plants.

My skills improve a lot 😜

"Just start to do something, make it better later" is make sense.

[fierce moth]

Intoxicating Moment + detail shots + reference.

[vagrant topaz]

Looks great!! 🥂🥂

[fierce moth]

Thanks

... <@&1161418687471956101>

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[vagrant topaz]

On it on it

[desert jasper]

Cheers mate

[vagrant topaz]

Annoying on phone

[desert jasper]

Ah, yea i feel ya

[vagrant topaz]

Got them all

I wish discord would gave us an easier way

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/drawing/comments/1ml9sth/just_finished_i_always_wanted_to_draw_one_of_these/

Daily art share (1/1)

I want to know how many years she have practiced to support her can draw something like realistic item...

[junior oyster]

Much as I hate to say it I can't say anything other than diablo-like. However I want to make it clear I'm talking diablo 2 and not diablo 4.

[desert jasper]

As long as it's not diablo 4 kek

[junior oyster]

Yep

[tawny sand]

more like diablo snore hehe 😛

[maiden widget]

Honestly D4 is more complex than D2 as well, most of the complexity comes from tech limitations or weird wording and it's always been an accessible game

[abstract karma]

so put D4 complexity to D2 engine and gameplay ?

[maiden widget]

no, the engine for d2 isnt great either neither does it really play better

just accept games in a series change over decades

[abstract karma]

welp somewhere you need to start if you wanna improve Diablo series

[maiden widget]

start with itemization and balance, those are mostly the things lacking

[abstract karma]

to me D4 looks like too simple and too like-path of exile which makes is just "run 2 weeks and get bored"

[maiden widget]

where was d2 more complex though

[abstract karma]

never said that D2 is more complex ? D2 is just balanced or just hit differently maybe because it just old school style rather than everything smooth and rushed

[maiden widget]

you didnt thats why i asked, most say d2 is better, but never say in what way - sometimes you get more complex due to the way breakpoints work but that's also just tech related and not explained

Balance is also whack in d2 with sorc teleport and hammerdins or magic dmg in general

[abstract karma]

since you know these 2 versions of diablos you can try tell yourself..
D4 just hit medicore, it looks rushed, endgame and whole chase to it is just fast, not proper lenght, you wont enjoy and then you reach to "max" too fast, basically you get bored
(not mention blizzard approach to transactions and game itself)

I would probably play Diablo 4 in moment when dev service comes to end to play it once as part of Single player Lore

[ebon meadow]

D2 is not more complex it was more balanced because we didn't had much to do ,for example mephisto runs

It was more targeted to get what I want without playing different thing ,you set up target farm and u rinse and repeat

The item gain was locked in to specific places instead of wole game

[maiden widget]

hard sell when you basically played sorc until enigma cos nothing could compete really - or hammerdin because magic damage was op. The only boon was there was no scaling endgame i'll give you that

[maiden widget]

This i don't see - finding stuff was pretty much more RNG than in D4 where i can basically target farm anything but the super rare stuff

[sand wigeon]

Are we back on “D2 gud?”

[ebon meadow]

D2 is always good it's just got old as Arpgs evolute

Same reason OSRS is good

[ebon meadow]

Actually got a tic from that because I am a sorc main lmao

[desert jasper]

D2 was good when it came
these days it's outdated
it can still be enjoyable but it's clearly old and has a bunch of terrible mechanics

[maiden widget]

yeah but which game doesnt have a bunch of terrible mechanics

at least we have lots of options now

[ebon meadow]

I agree we found those flaws as we got other games coming out and showing mechanics that are more sensible

[ebon meadow]

Now that is the greatest thing today ,we can actually choose

[maiden widget]

yep

[desert jasper]

Yeah
But there's still people who think Diablo 2 is literally the best thing ever
and everything else is "just a copy or clone"

[ebon meadow]

And if blizz stop being a child and adjust the seasons we literally have 3/4 games to flactuate around the whole damn year

Sum tq to it now and it's +1

[maiden widget]

well the whole discussion sparked from people laughing/cringing at "diablo like"

which i didnt get, i prefer that over arpg

[ebon meadow]

I mean I can't blame them diablo was an example to most of us

The gaslight came from ggg when people started calling Arpgs to Poe likes like what a year ago

People got mad

[maiden widget]

it basically started a new sub genre thats different and distinct enough so i can live with the term

[desert jasper]

Eh I think it's just that arpg has become more popular thing than "diablo like"
and then the guy going "they should be called diablo likes" or whatever he said, I can't actually remember
it just kinda came off like he's jealous
but eh, irrelevant really

[ebon meadow]

As u say it's just a term ,so people can understand the reference nothing more ,but Reddit and internet always finds drama in to that

[maiden widget]

people include assassins creed, darksiders, zelda in arpg which makes the genre kinda moot

[ebon meadow]

So many genres today and we still trying to separate them for some reason I don't understand

[maiden widget]

because it helps you find similar things

[ebon meadow]

People calling soul like games Arpgs to

[maiden widget]

if i feel like playing something like poe or diablo finding assassins creed or zelda won't help me

[desert jasper]

People just like to be accurate in categorizing
helps with finding similar games to them

[ebon meadow]

The same thing would work if u consider a survival an arpg

They are mechanically different games

[maiden widget]

well lets be honest "action rpg" is just extremely generic

[ebon meadow]

I agree ,it is very generic tag today

It feels like they are like mother tag and then u need to consider the rest. Loot based ,survival , single player etc etc

One mother tag or two then 20+ other tag that actually difference the game