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[fierce moth]

what the name of the build in poe which as similar as runemaster in le works if there's one?

[desert jasper]

There isn't one.

[fierce moth]

Ok let's revert it, what the name of the build in poe which as exclusive as runemaster in le?

[desert jasper]

Literally none of the skills in PoE come close to what runemaster has.

[fierce moth]

I mean a build in poe which work in a way that can't find in another ARPG

emmm but I guess this question is too hard to answer because it require this player played all builds in all loot-based ARPG

lol Asked a question for game director by accident

They can apply for QA tester of GGG on this level

[placid yarrow]

Flicker strike I guess lul, but honestly that's not super unique either

There's stuff like indigon and other builds that are very unique in how they scale their stats but the actual gameplay isn't super unique

[fierce moth]

I'm watching a video for which items and which affixes I need to find to play that

hiya unique items in poe are too overwhelming...💀

1152 unique items... My Jesus

😅 As the contrast, even though 352 unique items in le only, I think I just have played less than half of them

[gilded elm]

Octopath Traveler feels like a classic FF more than a modern FF, that's a huge difference. There is no modern turn-based FF, the last one was FF10.

[fierce moth]

I think it's insane if someone can collect all of unique items in poe to have fun by playing different builds

In a league

[gilded elm]

This is intentional on Square Enix's part too, of course. SE has given up on turn-based for the FF franchise for a long time.

[fierce moth]

lol I'm surprised poe is a game for us yet

lol 31 item bases already, but they're from one hand sword only

Their concept artists just too talented on figuring out so many ideas.

@placid yarrow Flicker strike scion is exclusive in poe's builds because of the ascendency?

[placid yarrow]

Has nothing to do with scion

Just flicker strike as a skill is kinda unique imo

[fierce moth]

to be honest, the ascendency roulette is enough to let me be lost 😆

🤔 I even no idea did I unlock scion... Need to wait GGG fix ssl connection error at first :(

[sand wigeon]

That’s what you meant, okay

[fierce moth]

I can get 1 passive point after I sold 20 orbs of regret and 1 onyx amulet?

this trick is quite fresh for me

[placid yarrow]

Yes you can swap later

And no it's not new

It's been there for years

[fierce moth]

it sound quite interesting

but the best way is kill all of them in the first time still

[twilit mountain]

Nah, plenty of reasons to pick Alira still

Especially early league, that bump to resists is very nice on starts

[fierce moth]

Choices poe gave me are no sense because I have no idea which one is better.

they're too equal

[sudden anchor]

What is ff 12? Isnt the combat turnbased?

[tawny sand]

final fantasy 12? it's more like an auto system (admittedly has one of my favorite combat systems in the series too)

[gilded elm]

Not traditional turn-based, no

I think technically FFX-2 was the last traditional turn-based FF, but I actually don't remember because X-2 was sooo bad I try to erase it from my memory.

[tawny sand]

hey, the job system slaps

but the story is awful that's for sure

[gilded elm]

I basically haven't committed full playthroughs to any FF since FF10, because none of them since are traditional turn-based.

I hate the direction they took the FF7 remake

[sudden anchor]

Yep, it was great for its time. Could still play it for fun today. To automate the turns was what got me hooked. Like a script each fight - condition- action. maybe thats why i lile Programming nowadays

[tawny sand]

ah i really like 12, it's like a real time with pause crpg almost with some differences

and the gambit system is really good

[gilded elm]

I think FF12 was more of "it didn't reel me in early on" not necessarily that the combat system was bad.

[tawny sand]

fair, it's a slow burn pretty much

and the story is very much about the politics of the world i guess

[tawny sand]

yeah for sure. It's kind of cerebral

oddly enough i hated the original release, but Zodiac age really grabbed me idk

i guess the job system licences really does it for me

[sudden anchor]

I got carried away by the good memories for a moment there. Good games do that

idk i dont wanna spoil it for people. Imo best to describe it as epic

Im more of an emotional player myself. if worldbuilding/characters/bosses etc touch me its probably a good game.

[gilded elm]

For me, E33 filled an emptiness that was unoccupied for years since playing games like Legend of Dragoon and FF7-10 and I think that's the FF fanbase that E33 strongly appeals to.

I really hope FF17 will be more traditional turn-based, we'll see.

Square Enix did acknowledge the success of E33 in a shareholders' meeting, with fuzzy, vague words to suggest they will deliver on more turn-based JRPGs (presumably FF). I just hope they meant it.

Relevant short from Sebbywebz (who IMO has a solid grasp of the situation and I completely agree): https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p6Of-SrFiBc

[tawny sand]

"whenever i see someone playing 12 they're playing at 4x speed"

hey i slow it down for bosses lol

the time speed makes the grinding a lot better, 12 is admittedly slow tbh

side note, but idk if anyone is into management games but Transport Fever 3 showcased its first looks at maps/environments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsML-WkcoSQ

looks sick

[gilded elm]

The scenery looks hyperrealistic (though I do have bad sight lol)

[tawny sand]

i'm hoping they make it so you need to follow contours of lands more when you build stuff, eventually you make so much money in 2 that you just can barrel through mountains and stuff haha

starting out it's a little needed to save money but yeah

[fierce moth]

Nice to see the server is back to active through I have no idea what leo is and who Sam was

[hot crown]

@blazing edge Like this, for instance:

[fierce moth]

do you mean pick 1 in 3 like cluster in passive tree of poe?

Sigh, too many tough choices.

[hot crown]

It's a mastery-defining passive. You pick it, and it ranks up as you level up, like any skill.

Every character-level threshold a new rank unlocks.

[fierce moth]

https://www.artstation.com/jobs/3qLd
Oh. GGG like dark and gritty art style. This is an important thing 👀

[gilded elm]

The story is very dark and gritty, so that makes sense :)

[gilded elm]

The autodrive is cool, but maybe still needs a bit of work? lmao

[placid yarrow]

Lmao

[mental talon]

@twilit mountain I got bored and I've been gambling.

[placid yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[twilit mountain]

Rich mfer. I've been playing other games due to performance issues limiting what I'm able to run in PoE 😔

[mental talon]

Yeah I'm just kinda at that point where I'm just throwing Currency around trying to gamble into a quiet but the number keeps going up so I guess I need to do something about it lmao

[gilded elm]

Spent maybe over an hour creating a new ideology from scratch for more immersive gameplay, configuring each precept, rituals, buildings etc... actually kinda fun. A lot of people say Ideology is their least liked DLC but I really like how it lets you create your own fun in meaningful ways.

The narrative is naturally AI-generated (using Claude) and it took a couple of attempts to get the prompt to where it would spit out something I liked. Overall, I think it did a good job though.

[fast gate]

slam!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADgCeYJMN4&list=RD7ADgCeYJMN4&start_radio=1

[fast gate]

whoa i came to late, what are you dong?

[fast gate]

so i went in on blacsky tech, i dunno what its at now, 20 or some shit, ride the wave

but CAD vs gold is going to hit 5k by the end of the year, hope you got chikens

cad is on par to meet the boloviar..fuck its only going to go up

get out of CAD if you have it

YEN VS YUAN may see good things, C VS BREAD will go down

CAD

i mean actual bread

[twilit mountain]

Mate... he's posting his Path of Exile stash value.

[mental talon]

I have no idea what you're yapping about chief I ain't gonna lie. Anyways I did more funny gambling and the number went up again

[fierce moth]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3816430/page/1#p26260575
I'm sure players whose can go to Gamescom will have lots of fun 😊
I want to watch how are they kill these bosses instead

That's wonderful if someone plan to go Gamescom + they willing to visit GGG's booth + they have strong passion to share the latest cases

That'll a happy time for Europeans 🎉

I wish I have a chance to visit Gamescom once time before I'm 30 years old...

[gilded elm]

Really, game? Gonna give my pawn the plague and the flu back to back?

[fierce moth]

Update:
3 months+ are gone.
The print in the expensive wooden frame still keep the same, the print in the resin frame have ruined a lot.
The wooden carriage craft have broken by the typhoon 2 days ago.

The difference between acrylic and glass

Cat... Emmmm she's sleeping.

Dark -> Red xd

Put a new print in resin frame, Aggoart from poe 2. Let's see how will it be ruined

[blissful token]

Yarn

[maiden widget]

Looks like your right frame has no uv blocking glass

[fierce moth]

https://www.outofwordsgame.com/#wishlist
A co-op action adventure game with hand-craft characters and environments, which release on epic store in 2026

New co-op games are more and more... New single player games are less and less.

[little tundra]

looks like a shitty salt & sanct...

[fierce moth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/283640/Salt_and_Sanctuary/
Oh new game I heard +1

[little tundra]

cloney games tend to not be new hihi

[twilit mountain]

I don't know what about that makes you think of S&S, they're massively different lmao

[placid yarrow]

Yeah it just made me think of it takes two and stuff

[little tundra]

i really have no idea why people like that game tbh. me and an ex did cleared it in one afternoon, and it wasn't fun at all

[placid yarrow]

I've never played it

It just reminded me of it

[twilit mountain]

I'unno. I don't get how people find souls-likes fun, but they do

[fierce moth]

I don't get how people find hard puzzles fun, but they do

[placid yarrow]

Zachtronics games are fire

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ Programmer's party

[placid yarrow]

I guess in a way it's programming but it's pretty different imo

Except for exapunks and shenzen IO

And TIS-100 I guess

Those are pretty programmy

But opus magnum is more puzzly imo

[little tundra]

i mean people play mobile games these days

it's all about the fomo factor and/or fall off factor

thank the gods some of us were bred in the divine era of d2

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ Multiple choices here. Maybe they have a phone only, maybe they have a trash pc which can't play most of pc games, maybe the family prohibit the kid to entertain for years so they know nothing about pc, maybe the trend of social they live is mobile games, maybe pc game market there still in early development, maybe they have no time and interest to sit in front of pc after work

[little tundra]

bye 🤪

[twilit mountain]

Mm. I see what kind of person we're dealing with. To the list!

[gilded elm]

Some interesting characters lately lol

[little tundra]

that's a cute tux my guy

[sand wigeon]

Bred? Hells, you sound interesting.

[little tundra]

kekw people don't joke these days?
let me rephrase *FORMED

[sand wigeon]

…Born?

Do you know how to talk like a person?

Not to mention that D2 is bad anyway.

[little tundra]

in what way shape or form is D2:LOD bad?

i should be more specific

[little tundra]

no, not born.
being formed by a specific type of genre of games, music, art, ect ect isn't really strange. Look at yourself with your anime pfp. obv it had some impact on you no?

[sand wigeon]

Although D2 may have been good when it released, it has become a symbol of regression in the larger ARPG developer scene. More particularly about the game, it’s currently just outdated, clunky, does not control well, does not look very good and largely works off outdated mechanics that other ARPG’s have done more with or improved.

[sand wigeon]

It’s, uh. Not an anime.

But sure, I liked the game.

[little tundra]

it's the fundalmetal for everything arpg these days

[sand wigeon]

No, that’s PoE.

[little tundra]

claiming it's all bad i just dumb imo

[sand wigeon]

Which was heavily inspired by D2, yes.

[sand wigeon]

It kinda sucks in comparison to what we have nowadays.

[little tundra]

i mean poe became bad with the development it took

[sand wigeon]

What.

[little tundra]

it became bloated as hell

[sand wigeon]

How so?

[little tundra]

they didn't really care about the prior expansions for so long which made them outdated in a live game

[twilit mountain]

L take. PoE is the best on the market, no competition.

[sand wigeon]

Some of the oldest league mechanics are some of the best, though.

[twilit mountain]

Strongboxes my beloved

[little tundra]

yes they are. this is my point.

[sand wigeon]

…Some of the newest are also some of the best. Like Kingsmarch.

[twilit mountain]

Delve and Bestiary are old enough to be considered old now

[little tundra]

most of the shit they've released in the like near past is trash

[little tundra]

beastiary was hella good f

and delve, yes

[twilit mountain]

Settlers goes hard. Ultimatum is a fan favorite. Scourge was beloved and people are still sad it's gone. Harvest is so well loved that people are mad it got nerfed.

[little tundra]

og harvest was shit tho

such a clusterf

time comsuming as shit

[twilit mountain]

I mean. Perspectives differ.

Lot of people loved it, and lot of people didn't

[sand wigeon]

Not to mention PoE has some of the best endgame alternatives with Delve and Heist, which other ARPG’s still massively struggle with.

Take Last Epoch. It only has maps. And more maps. And maybe a dungeon that one time. And maps.

[twilit mountain]

And the dungeons make you want to uninstall the more you run them

[little tundra]

Arpgs struggle the same with endgame, imo it's all about the build making

and with the imbalance here there are rocks left unturned

[sand wigeon]

Why would I bother build making when I’m going to play content for two seconds and get bored?

[little tundra]

sounds like a skill issue

🤭

[sand wigeon]

Rrright.

[twilit mountain]

If it's all about buildmaking then PoE takes the cake in literally every fashion, and dwarfs every other game on rhe market in variety by orders of magnitudes?

[ashen osprey]

And that is so good

[little tundra]

im just being dumbo. but yes le is more limited, and d2 was waaaaaaaaaaay more limited. but it was part of the fun

[sand wigeon]

Last Epoch is a pretty bad game.

[ashen osprey]

To me PoE is ^^

[twilit mountain]

I wouldn't call it bad. But very flawed for sure.

[sand wigeon]

It has a lot of potential. A lot of reasons I want to likenit.

[little tundra]

not everytnig has to be optimal to be fun, not everyting has to be endgame viable. But IF you wanna you, you're able to fudge the numbers with the right charts and knowledge

[sand wigeon]

But the lack of any real endgame changes for six years, and the fact that the story still isn’t completed, goes to show then studio really doesn’t know what they’re doing.

[little tundra]

☝️ this

[sand wigeon]

I don’t like. Run weak builds.

[ashen osprey]

I'm so glad that LE is what it is, and it is great for me.

Glad it is not just PoE 1.5, esle I wouldn't be interested

[sand wigeon]

I do buildcrafting whenever I play an ARPG.

[gilded elm]

Vanilla D2 LoD is definitely a bad game by modern standards. Although, Project D2 does redeem it.

[little tundra]

but you might be shit at it, ion know ion care

[twilit mountain]

See this is why I like you

[little tundra]

PD2 is goated

[sand wigeon]

I might also be the best person ever

The sun might explode tomorrow!

[little tundra]

no mr anime pfp

[sand wigeon]

Hell, there might be mole men digging under my house right now

Might, might, might.

[little tundra]

MOLE MEN!

now we talking, how about spider masterrace?

[twilit mountain]

Mods make D2 into a pretty alright game, they don't solve all of my issues with it (GREAAAHDXHS WHY DOES MOVING FEEL SO BAD) but enough of them that I'll play it

[little tundra]

playing WW in d2 is like grating your face with a cheese grater

[gilded elm]

I actually think Runewords (at the time they were introduced) made D2 a worse game, too. Seems to be an unpopular opinion, though.

[twilit mountain]

It's the correct opinion IMHO

[little tundra]

they were too strong

[sand wigeon]

This is going to sound really weird but runewords feel like a worse version of tarot cards to me

How is this connected? No clue

It’s just what my brain feels

[gilded elm]

Apparently being pidgeon-holed into 2-3 runewords is "good game design" to a lot of D2 nostalgia folks.

[sand wigeon]

D2 nostalgia-sphere has singlehandedly turned me off ever really wanting to try D2 again

[little tundra]

TAROTs are/were amazing as a SSF player

loved everything about it

[twilit mountain]

I love every non-Sorc having their endgoal be the same god damn runeword! That's so cool! Wowie!

[gilded elm]

D4's runewords might be shallow, but they are still a far superior version of runewords than D2 IMO

[sand wigeon]

D4 is probably the best feeling ARPG on the market and that helps the game a lot

[gilded elm]

Yep, not just sorcs but a lot of builds basically just universally depended on the same tiny pool of runewords. This seems contrary to good design IMO.

For example, crap like Enigma lol

[twilit mountain]

Everybody wearing Smoke and Lore for 80 levels

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and somehow runewords get held up on a pedestal as one of the major innovations to the genre.

[sand wigeon]

Anyway here’s my identical heist build. It uses the same things in the same ways as every other heist build. Aren’t I an innovator

[little tundra]

but still finding good rares in d2 feels amazing

[twilit mountain]

Heist builds, AKA get phasing and infinite movement speed

[sand wigeon]

No. Use only common gear. It unlocks the cow level.

[little tundra]

since crafting wasn't enabled until very late

[little tundra]

hurr durr

[gilded elm]

Hot take: PoE did absurdedly more to innovate the ARPG genre than D2 did.

[sand wigeon]

Sacrifice your second-born child. It unlocks the cow level.

[sand wigeon]

Agreed.

[twilit mountain]

Hello? Based department?

[little tundra]

still.... fundametals 😭

[sand wigeon]

Like, I didn’t grow up with PoE or D2, so I feel like I have a pretty unbiased view here.

[little tundra]

that is, infact a big deal

[gilded elm]

It's actually not even close when you compare side by side the exact things each game brought to the genre. PoE runs laps around D2 in terms of innovative features.

[sand wigeon]

The best thing PoE has done for the genre is implement fishing

[gilded elm]

PoE's crafting alone brings more innovation to the genre than the entirety of D2

[twilit mountain]

I played D2 a decent while before PoE. My first was uh... Divine Divinity I think? I feel like most don't know what that is though.

[tawny sand]

Didn't torchlight have fishing

[sand wigeon]

It’s a joke, but yes

[tawny sand]

oh i see

[little tundra]

being 5 years old killing butcher (d1 ) felt like the greatest achivement to mankind

[twilit mountain]

Well, if we count Fate then Fate was my first

[sand wigeon]

See, I just played D3 with my father as a child.

[little tundra]

NO JOKES!!!!! DAMMIT!

shit.. you're fresh out the womb son

[sand wigeon]

Uh-huh.

I’m a legal adult, but yes, I am quite young.

[twilit mountain]

Debating if I bother correcting

[little tundra]

legal in the amish community?

[sand wigeon]

No, by the laws of the United States of America.

[gilded elm]

Being a D2 addict as a teenager was definitely a positive experience at the time... but man, looking back I ask myself how in the world did I tolerate that game. It's easy to look back when there are many better options these days.

[little tundra]

don't just have fun - Like the madonna song " girls just wanna have fun"

[sand wigeon]

I don’t think they’ll care, and it’s not like it bothers me

[sand wigeon]

I was also a D2 addict. Destiny 2.

[twilit mountain]

Flicking you

[little tundra]

if you're here taking shit serious. you need to lighten up imo**

[sand wigeon]

WGKAOAIAGBRNEMWKAGSGI

[gilded elm]

Apparently if you ignore all of Bungie's fumbles, it's actually a good game under the surface, at least? Never played myself lol

[twilit mountain]

Y'know what, scrw you unbreads your chicken tenders

[tawny sand]

I feel like Titan Quest and Grim Dawn has a lot of interesting ideas that improve on D2 as well, like I prefer the socketing systems

[sand wigeon]

NOOOO

[sand wigeon]

It’s an amazing game both under and on the surface.

[tawny sand]

(and i'm also the person to say the constellation tree in GD is better than PoE's passive tree)

[sand wigeon]

The D2 community is really dumb and they play it until they hate the game, though. Don’t trust reviews on anything Destiny.

[little tundra]

GD is a good game... but ion know

[twilit mountain]

Hi, I played it for 7,000+ hours. It is still genuinely good, it's never been bad, but most people are addicted to it and can't drag themselves away from it so their burnout turns to hatred

[gilded elm]

IMO, PoE is the D2 successor (as it emerged amidst the failure of D3's launch), but if not for PoE, the next best thing is Grim Dawn IMO.

[sand wigeon]

If you’re the only clown in a room full of socialites, then you’ve made yourself the jester amidst kings.

(Was that dramatic enough?)

[twilit mountain]

Also Destiny got me to live with this idiot ^ so I think it was worth it

[gilded elm]

Yeah, and I also notice poor reviews on DLC while I look through Steam. But I suspect that isn't to do with the game itself.

[little tundra]

i mean,, kinda good sir

[sand wigeon]

[tawny sand]

I think some of it was them removing old content no?

[sand wigeon]

This is a very stupid thing

[twilit mountain]

Destiny players have the media literacy of a drone ant, every DLC is bad to them no matter how good it actually is. Deadass they complained that a 15 year old character acted like an immature teenager. Y'all. They are, that's the point.

[sand wigeon]

Because yes, they removed old content, but it’s because the game has gone through so many changes that the old content was barely working, holding back new stuff, stealing devtime and bloating the game

For example, that content literally no longer works in the game’s current engine build

[gilded elm]

So is the game kinda like a co-op Borderlands or something? If I remember, it's a looter shooter?

[sand wigeon]

Not at all

[little tundra]

hallow.. you know jesters were pretty like SS tier guys rite

[sand wigeon]

It’s a “looter shooter” but now at all in the same way as Borderlands

It’s closer to an action FPS MMO

[gilded elm]

Like it has sophisticated/mechanical group raids and such?

[twilit mountain]

Yup

[little tundra]

isn't it ... a souls like 🤪 🫠

[tawny sand]

How do you know this though? Did you play the old content in the current engine build?

[sand wigeon]

No.

[gilded elm]

Wow, I had no idea actually. I always just assumed it was kinda like Borderlands lol

[sand wigeon]

The game has been datamined to hell and back

[little tundra]

joke...... again

[twilit mountain]

They range from "baby's first encounter" to "this shit took 22 hours straight for the first clear to be done"

[gilded elm]

So elements of FF14 or Lost Ark in a FPS format, sort of

[twilit mountain]

It was falling apart even in the build the content was last in, the year 1 raids were bugged to hell and back

[sand wigeon]

Some of Destiny’s best content are grandmaster strikes, which are extremely hard versions of PvE strike missions with special enemies. It basically turns them into a giant puzzle.

[sand wigeon]

Yeah I experienced this first hand

They’ve slowly been updating and readding the old raids

But it’s likely the campaigns will never return

[tawny sand]

I see, is this a situation of like "SimCity 2016 can't run offline cause it's not built to" and then they did it and took the servers offline.

[sand wigeon]

No it literally will not run

[twilit mountain]

PLEASE don't remind me. Gods. Devil's Lair GM is horrific.

[sand wigeon]

And a lot of the assets aren’t even in the files anymore

Destiny was 200gb at one point (and ran like garbage)

It’s now below 100

[tawny sand]

I see

[twilit mountain]

I think it's actually back to like 130ish? Latest DLC is pretty big and the one prior was also very large

[desert jasper]

Well that was a lot of new posts to read

[twilit mountain]

Good morning, nub

[tawny sand]

you read every post? that's crazy

and gm nub

[gilded elm]

I might try Destiny 2. I wanted to play The First Descendent but I refuse to support Nexon at this point, maybe Destiny is the way to go for that kind of gameplay.

[twilit mountain]

I have no clue what the on-boarding is like nowadays, but if you can find folks to play with (there's many servers for LFG and such) regularly the endgame stuff is phenomenal.
Some of my favorite times in any game I've played were Destiny raids. I used to teach them to newbies, t'was fun

[sand wigeon]

I could not afford to keep playing Destiny 2

(It’s still better than other MMO’s in that department)

[gilded elm]

Ah, I take it the monetization is a tad predatory? But I guess not as bad as other F2P titles I assume

[sand wigeon]

No

It’s not

It’s just expensive

The monetization is actually better than a lot of other games

[tawny sand]

their color system was pretty predatory i thought, idk if they changed it since i last played

[twilit mountain]

DLCs are paid and there's season passes if you want like every bit of content the whole year, but in total it's like... $100 a year for everything

[sand wigeon]

You pay upfront $50 for that year’s DLC, and $50 for the seasonal content. $100 upfront with extra stuff thrown in

[twilit mountain]

About 98% of shaders are totally free

[sand wigeon]

Whereas other MMO’s charge you for dlcs, subscriptions, etcetera

[gilded elm]

Like for me, many of PoE's MTX is effectively P2W but it's so tiny that I'm not bothered by it. That level of monetization is totally cool by me

[sand wigeon]

Yeah IDK a single person whose ever bought a shader

[twilit mountain]

I do

[tawny sand]

oh i was talking about first descendant

[sand wigeon]

Well D2 is largely a PvE game

And the closest thing we get to P2W skins in PvP is that it changes up the sights slightly

(Most are pay to lose)

[twilit mountain]

Lewis still has every cosmetic in the game afaik, weirdo lmao

[sand wigeon]

Oh

[desert jasper]

Gm Deias & Fleshy
it's actually almost midday here and I've been up for 7 hours already

[tawny sand]

i gotta take out the trash before the morning trash men come, so i'm up a bit earlier

[gilded elm]

Yeah that's nothing. Not sure if there's anything advantageous like stash tabs in PoE, but even that advantage is leveled out with minimal investment.

[twilit mountain]

Nah, everyone's got the same amount of storage

You will never have a reason to use it all either lol

[gilded elm]

Dope, kinda crazy to think they're able to monetize the game without selling any kind of advantage (not even small ones).

But I guess that just reinforces, if the game is good, people will buy stuff like cosmetics.

[twilit mountain]

Destiny players loooove fashion yeah

(I was part of that, my last fit was designed to look like Bandit from RoR2. Peak.)

[gilded elm]

Nice, also rip wallet lol

[twilit mountain]

Nah, I spent my time grinding out ornaments and transmog thingies for it

[gilded elm]

Oh nice, you can grind good-looking cosmetics?

[sand wigeon]

I have never bought armor skins

Only weapon skins

[tawny sand]

you can transmog i think right? i only played d2 a couple weeks so i'm not sure

[sand wigeon]

Yep

You can earn a specific amount of transmog tokens for each class every season

By playing the game

I have never used all of mine

[sand wigeon]

This let you turn any previously obtained armor into a skin

[twilit mountain]

Yeah. Any piece of gear can be turned into an ornament for transmog (there is a limit to how many you can do per season but that's fine) and there's also a bunch of sets to be farmed free from various sources (such as endgame raid achievements, seasonal activities, endgame PvP, and even the premium shop has sets that rotate in for free)

[tawny sand]

i think i didn't play it much cause i was pretty deep into warframe too at the time, and all my friends were playing warframe

[sand wigeon]

Oh, yeah, amd there’s a currency called bright dust that you can earn and every week new paid items cycle into the shop that can be bought for bright dust instead

[gilded elm]

I'm seeing people complain on Steam about the fact they have to buy DLC? But if you don't actually have to spend money on MTX to enjoy the game, I feel like buying the DLC is a fair ask

[sand wigeon]

It’s just the DLC and the seasons if you want the seasonal mechanics and stories

(Seasons are pretty big)

[twilit mountain]

That's what I've been saying for years Byte!

[sand wigeon]

$100 for a year of content is still less than 1 year of FF14 or WoW with no DLC’s

Just monthly fees

[gilded elm]

Right, I measure the worth of something by how many hours of entertainment it provides, proportionate to the money I spend.

[twilit mountain]

Like, every season comes with dedicated story progression, playable content, new gear, and even new locations and the player base still thinks it's not worth it for some reason

[sand wigeon]

Every $100 I have spent on D2, I have played roughly 300 hours

[gilded elm]

If I can get 1000 hours of fun in a year, for $100, I would call that a huge win tbh

[twilit mountain]

Just don't end up a PvP main like I did, your soul will be crushed in time when they eventually nerf your favorite weapons

[sand wigeon]

Me too…

LUMINA STILL GOING STRONG THOUGH WHOOOO

[gilded elm]

I do enjoy PvP, but I have some kind of underdog syndrome. I always play the weakest crap.

[sand wigeon]

Deias and I met playing D2 and it’s still the best thing to come out of that game lol

[gilded elm]

So I doubt powerful stuff getting nerfed will affect me much lmao

[twilit mountain]

I miss my 16 meter Chappy kills :<
"Waaah it's too strong, waaaah"
Just don't stay still and I won't shoot you in the head, nimrod

[gilded elm]

Like in Overwatch back in the day, I was an offensive Lucio main lmao

[twilit mountain]

Terrifying

[gilded elm]

I'm in a Lucio Mains discord still, I never talk in it anymore. But I found this screenshot from 2018

[twilit mountain]

[desert jasper]

I used to play Reinhar
or if tank was already taken it'd be mercy
and then soldier 76

[gilded elm]

Getting killed by Mercy in a 1v1 always felt so bad lmao

Turns out there's a lot of others who also like to play healers offensively :P

[twilit mountain]

Battle Mercy do be a thing

[sand wigeon]

I was an Ana main

[desert jasper]

In one of the maps I'd always blast with the Mercy pistol to where the attacking team sniper comes
so the door opens, sniper comes in and gets instantly headshot several times by me
it was hilarious

[gilded elm]

Ana was another annoying one to fight lmao

[gilded elm]

Yeah, that pistol ain't weak either if I remember lol

[desert jasper]

I've also killed a reaper that was chasing me
he got salty

[gilded elm]

Embarassing, doesn't Reaper have the immunity thing? lol

[desert jasper]

He does
he also has dmg leech
but I was just barely out of range of his guns

[tawny sand]

i'm awful at competitive shooters

[gilded elm]

What made Mercy harder to fight as Lucio for me was the fact that Mercy can basically just glide instead of fall, made aiming with the soundwave gun thing a bit more challenging lol

[tawny sand]

my friends tried to get me to play rivals and i was so bad they bullied me kicked my dog and destroyed my bike i ride to school on

i had a backup skateboard and they destroyed it too

[gilded elm]

Yeah, competitive co-op with friends can get nasty. I learned this from MOBAs, mostly Dota 2 lmao

[tawny sand]

yeah lol

my one friend is crazy competitive, she gets pretty salty

[gilded elm]

Yeah... things devolve into a blame game. I'm guilty of this, I regret it in hindsight.

[tawny sand]

probably why i prefer fighting games, can't blame teammates if you don't have any

[gilded elm]

Are you also looking forward to Marvel Tokon?

[tawny sand]

though i guess people get mad salty at mortal kombat on mic, but i don't play kusoge's 😏

oh yeah i am

hopefully it's good

i'ma be real sad if it requires psn

[sand wigeon]

Can’t say I’ve has this experience in a game with anyone

[gilded elm]

It looks super good. Arc System Works being the developer is also promising.

[sand wigeon]

I think y’all have just had bad experiences

[tawny sand]

yeah, the designs look sick

[gilded elm]

Toxic competitiveness is a fairly well known dynamic in competitive environments.

[tawny sand]

arcsys' style is really great

[gilded elm]

I was actually watching Max's reaction live when the trailer dropped, it was beautiful lmao https://youtu.be/alVaNljwtq4

[sand wigeon]

Yes, but that doesn’t mean all your friends should do that

I personally would never be friends with someone who acts that way

[tawny sand]

ah yeah i've seen it lol

[gilded elm]

Yeah, even though my friends were like that, so was I. Nobody to blame but myself, but I've definitely grown as a person and am no longer that way.

[tawny sand]

i'm trying to decide if i'm gonna get the next sf6 pass or not

i haven't played in a month or two

just been playing other stuff

[gilded elm]

Wasn't there a recent Fatal Fury game released? That's what I'd look at spending money on if I was in a fighting game mood, dunno if it's good though lol

[tawny sand]

been playing a lot of captain of industry i picked up from the automation fest sale

[tawny sand]

it flopped i think

i don't think there's anything wrong with the gameplay itself though

[gilded elm]

Ah, damn you SNK

[tawny sand]

but i haven't played it, i just know it hasn't sold well

part of it was the whole guest characters thing, like Ronaldo or w/e

the soccer player, i forget his name

[gilded elm]

Yeah reviews ain't looking good, seeing some genuine game criticisms too. Maybe I just stick with KoF15 for now lol

[tawny sand]

i think the ceo or lead or something stepped down too? i'm not sure

kof15 had busted matchmaking for so long too

i imagine people were wary about the next snk game after that

shame though, snk makes cool stuff

i was playing samsho v special a while back, fun game

[gilded elm]

I also like SNK's characters more in general tbh

Probably biased with me growing up with a Neo Geo and playing tons of KoF in arcades as a kid in Korea

[tawny sand]

makes sense

i didn't get into fg's until pretty late in life cause i lived in a rural area for so long

i tried to get high school friends into sf4, but didn't stick so i didn't get into fg's until like the last killer instinct when it came to pc and guilty gear strive

[gilded elm]

Ah, not much fighting stick gaming then?

[tawny sand]

nah

and i use a leverless now so

[warm aspen]

Hey friends! I delivered another amazing Logo(PFP) design to my lovely client. 😍 Let's show some appreciation for this incredible work of art!🤞🏻🔥

[tawny sand]

should also mention i'm absolutely dogwater at fg's

but they're fun

[gilded elm]

Same, I always lose pretty much and I have barely played KoF15 lmao. We should play sometimes, maybe we'll be evenly matched haha

[tawny sand]

oh i don't have kof15

i can barely learn one character, let alone 3 lmao

[gilded elm]

Ah lmao

Yeah it's tough, that's why I play similar characters in my team haha

Like Kyo and Iori :P

@twilit mountain Is this as good a deal as I think it is? Seems kinda crazy

[sand wigeon]

Yes

That’s crazy

[fierce moth]

...2h was gone after I turn off the alarm

[fierce moth]

rainy day just too confortable for sleeping

[gilded elm]

Thanks for confirming. Gonna grab it then, I've bought games way more expensive just to add to my backlog so this is an easy buy lol

Gonna have to maybe uninstall or shuffle some games across disks before I can install it lmao

Recruited a wild man, just so my Commissar could execute him for a colony mood bonus

[maiden widget]

i wonder if they reworked their newbie guide in destiny2

when new light dropped the starting exp was super bad

[fierce moth]

After exploring 2h on which green available for me to paint

How to paint gradient colours is tricky lol

[gilded elm]

Love watching raiders cry as I let them bleed to death

[junior oyster]

Is that modded to give them anime looks?

[gilded elm]

Yeah I installed this last night lol https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3268178647

[junior oyster]

Never played the game but I had a feeling

[gilded elm]

It functions more as comic relief than actual aesthetics, at least for me I think

[junior oyster]

<@&1161418687471956101>

Wow that was fast xD

[south gust]

got it

[fierce moth]

Inspired by Poplars on the Epte, Claude Monet.

Such a huge difference on colours, yes. The limit of material...

🤔 But I think this trouble still here even I have 120 colours. Acrylic markers just quite limited on colours

Big advantage they have because they can diy their colours

The dusk on the sea still is the best one because of colours

Anyways, learnt a lesson that acrylic markers can't satisfy me on colours after painted 2 works

[stone arch]

wasnt issue with destiny that even if you buy old dlc you cant have access to stuff because they scrap/block access to it?

[fierce moth]

🫡 Ordered a set of brushes for acrylic painting and 36 Macaron colours, my journey will be more fun

[fierce moth]

Ohhhhhh I'm excited :)
Monument Valley 3 is available to play soon

[gilded elm]

I got tired of him trying to escape

"I love my job" she says, as she performs ethically questionable surgeries on prisoners >_>

[fierce moth]

Well, I guess only players like poe streamers on their poe knowledge can do that

Zizaran's events represent the highest level of players for this game always

OH MY GOD

Holy My Jesus

@quaint forge He responded me really

Good to know something anyways. He still looking for his art director.
I don't know did him know Mari, but mine have spotlighted for him at least :)

The way I can do for over her influence is outreach more art skills. Multiple VS Single.
Multiple art types VS single voxel art

[quaint forge]

Chris is a nice guy!!!

[fierce moth]

He made my day lol ❤️

[blissful token]

@radiant comet sorry for the ping. My ISP is back and got the installer. Any crash with the DirectX 12 (Beta) or you play with 11?

[radiant comet]

didnt hear of crashes tbh

[vagrant topaz]

That's not how you will finish your Shield Throw

[blissful token]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-run-pepe-run-peepo-peepo-run-gif-14806536

honestly i thought of replaying it S3 cuz i really have no motivation for it now

but S3, i might as well try lich

or check out other changes to natureman/armordud/explore new uniques

[vagrant topaz]

Melee Lich

[blissful token]

EXACTLY

50% low life :P

thats more wiggle room

this pre-alpha Soulframe build looks pretty blurred out

resolution not up to scale

@muted parrot @fierce moth ooo

[fierce moth]

I don't understand

[blissful token]

the 3 pacts should be your starting class

courage is warrior, start with sword

spirit start with staff?

grace start with bow

[fierce moth]

It's a game?

[blissful token]

yes

but in pre-alpha still

means it is way before early access

[vagrant topaz]

And already better than d4

[fierce moth]

Oh.

[blissful token]

its not in steam

they got their own launcher

looks so much better after i get to change the setting after all the cutscenes and pre-setting at launcher

pretty unique UI

hmm.. soulsgame with no target-lock?

[vagrant topaz]

Is it not closer to Warframe (same devs) than a souls like?

[blissful token]

hmm... i dont have "frame" to pick at the start, the combat is more soulslike

probably the leveling process too

also i dont have alot of weapons like in Warframe to level up

hmm i like the press G and your character snaps your finger to release a sparrow guide

the quest GPS :P

ooo

very interesting!

you can go back to collect your "frame" by starting near checkpoint or control the sparrow to reach your "frame" and respawn there

i guess the starting selecting is a "frame" after all

and now we have 3 frames? the courage, spirit, grace

OMG 🐿️ 🐿️ 🐿️ !

oh the weapon you use do gain exp

so it is like Warframe

oo the parry is not bad

also can backstab unaware enemies

boss fight?

[vagrant topaz]

Cleanse me daddy

[junior oyster]

I mean d4 is such a low bar that it means practically nothing when people say it's better than d4 imo

[fierce moth]

These Chinese company don't give a chance for me to self-introduction after checked out my CV because zero experience relevant to any Chinese companies I have.

Contract projects are bombs for them. It mean I will not stay in their company for a long time.

Anyways it's more fun to send self-introduction emails to international game companies than these trash Chinese company.

[fierce moth]

The most tough question for ARPG players:
What the fun of d4 is? Give me 4 points at least.

[vagrant topaz]

1. I am glad I didn't pay it full price
2. I am glad I didn't pay any extra
3. It downloads super fast
4. Un installing it is always really satisfying

[fierce moth]

😂 😂 😂 😂 🤣
You win!

[junior oyster]

On a serious note I kinda liked the campaign

[blissful token]

The last point applies to many LoL players but they always go back

[vagrant topaz]

Joke aside, I still keep an eye on it
Maybe one day I will enjoy it

[junior oyster]

Except Neyrelle

[junior oyster]

I wish she had died or got taken over lol

[vagrant topaz]

We will see how it goes in the future but some people seems to be kinda excited by what is coming

[blissful token]

pogger i like this

[blissful token]

scuffed sliding

[desert jasper]

<@&1161418687471956101>

On all channels, once again

[fierce moth]

it even summoned Kain

[desert jasper]

did it now?

[muted parrot]

I was looking into the game after hearing about it in one of the class channels but tbh doesn’t look interesting to me. Combat yes maybe but exploration and puzzles are just like any other open world game.
But looks good so let them cook I guess^^
How is it so far?

[blissful token]

feels like a single player soulsgame with warframe elements and open world

i spend 7/10 times breaking crates and barrels for little loots

and as a Courage pact (warrior), i dont think i can break that balloon with my sword throw

[vagrant topaz]

Just jump....

[muted parrot]

so like Elden Ring then? 🤔

[blissful token]

well, at least in Elden Ring, map fragments are shown in map so you can clear map fog but not in this game. You have to find them by hook or by crook unless u just google

i dont really like open world tbh

[twilit mountain]

1. It has very satisfying combat feel
2. It has genuinely good gearing/itemization
3. It has good boss fights, both in gameplay and design
4. It has good and consistent class design
5. It has great unique item concepts
6. Despite what everyone whines about, it has fun endgame content
7. It has phenomenal world design even with the open world issues
8. The paragon tree is awesome

I can keep going even.

[sand wigeon]

Diablo 4 is still the only ARPG I’ve played that made a DOT build fun. And it’s because of a few small things that other games just don’t really do.

[blissful token]

the weapon combat art (at least for my sword) is more like ability enabler. Say the first skill smite, if u learn it you will have a chance to proc smite with the sword but they display it in like 1 in 25 hits, so essentially 4% chance. Next 3 nodes you get to pick which playstyle u like better with the sword; landing charged heavy attack, throwing at perfect time, or riposte. They will have higher chance to proc smite if u do the conditional (perfect throw/parry, etc)

[fierce moth]

@vagrant topaz yes.

[vagrant topaz]

Oo

[vagrant topaz]

Med check!

[keen wind]

That's interesting, I mostly care about itemization, and that sounds like it's come a long way since I tried it in the open beta 🤔 Almost as if that was the point of betas

[twilit mountain]

LMAO that is the funniest possible reminder timing, but thank you!

[hot crown]

The price tag alone ejects me violently.

[sand wigeon]

Eh. Can I afford it? No. Does that make it bad? Also no.

[hot crown]

Didn't say anything about quality.

Only mentioned the price.

[sand wigeon]

I know.

[twilit mountain]

It basically has exalted items now, even for uniques and mythics, combined with mythics being cool as hell and runewords (which are not at all the same as D2 runewords, they're sets of effect rune + trigger rune, you can use two sets), and gradually increasing amounts of legendary powers that have been thankfully revamped and made not consumables to transfer them, it has been greatly improved. Oh and tempers. Those still could use a little work because failing them hurts the soul a bit, but they're very cool.

[fierce moth]

:( Why Monument Valley 3 not release yet

Refresh steam page 5 times

[junior oyster]

Then refresh it another 50 times

Something might just happen

[desert jasper]

Then another 50

[fierce moth]

it's released!

👀 Let's deep in the world of geometry again!

[blissful token]

https://vimeo.com/1103466622 @muted parrot i understand nothing about this fight 😂

[gilded elm]

Wuchang is tomorrow, I hope it's good

[blissful token]

fallen feather?

[gilded elm]

Yeah

[fierce moth]

emmmmm I'm stuck as expected

Here're conditions of this level, the goal is let the little girl go to right (so I can let her stand on the platform to bring it to boatem) instead of going to left. Ask: How to do that?

[vagrant topaz]

Which one has to go right ,?

[gilded elm]

Cool, looks like a cozy little puzzle game

[vagrant topaz]

When you do that

can you not walk purple up

Here

Then you lower the bridge

And move purple

[fierce moth]

she just stop on the original location :(

[vagrant topaz]

Dont lower purple

Ask her to move

[fierce moth]

Like that? What should I do next...

[vagrant topaz]

Can you ask purple to move ?

Like if you click on a surface

[fierce moth]

then she go back to press the button, the bridge down

the only way to let her move forward is purple step on the down platform. On the same height make no sense, she will not move

[vagrant topaz]

I think you want purple here
So you can get her to a higher lvl and orange can run to the boat

[fierce moth]

yes I'm here. What you said is what I have no idea how to excute

🤔 How to let little girl don't feel purple is around

[blissful token]

they cant be at the same level?

oh i see

red will run to whereever she can if she sees purple at the same level

[fierce moth]

you're right

[mental talon]

Alright let's see what's up.

[vagrant topaz]

Can you move purple there ?

[fierce moth]

All platforms here are on the same level

I pressed the button so nothing happen

[blissful token]

it be easier if you go into voice call and screenshare

[blissful token]

owh..

[gilded elm]

Enjoy, honestly one of the greatest games of the decade for me.

[fierce moth]

DM?

[gilded elm]

My top 2 games of basically all time: Baldur's Gate 3 and Expedition 33... my problem: I don't know which one is #1.

[fierce moth]

.....Nevermind, 😂 😅 I make a...big mistake.

I don't know this is her mother so I never deliver her here to try

I missed an important info then overthinking this level...

[fierce moth]

✅ I can complete that in 2.5h if I don't waste so much time to find her mother... New update will coming soon

@south gust Please tell Ave Monument Valley 3 is a gorgeous jewel which keep the same level of last 2 works, she will not want to miss that :)

I like this scene the most personally.

[fierce moth]

My Jesus. D4 will release Chinese version soon, like the strategy of poe/poe 2

Blizzard want to use the same way to get some money from Chinese market too

GGG tie to Tencent, Blizzard tie to Netease. hhhhhhh More interesting news will coming soon.

[gilded elm]

I assumed D4 already had a specific Chinese version for that market. Surprised that it didn't.

The Chinese market is massive, so that makes sense.

[fierce moth]

Just checked out which games Netease have released, good I have played zero. 归唐 will be the first game I play from this company 🤔

But I give Netease money still because their net booster is the tool I need for playing poe/poe 2

[gilded elm]

I hate having pyromaniac colonists...

[fierce moth]

wait they have opened a series of US social media even... OHHHHH more interesting, let me check them out to get some fun :)

152 members in their subreddit so far

[gilded elm]

China has been making some great games lately for western audiences. I'm not a fan of NetEase though, they're probably one of the worst lol

[jolly wadi]

Monument Valley is pretty great albeit the first 2 games are fairly short (unsure about the 3rd game) but reasonably priced for their length. It's originally a mobile phone game ported to PC & other platforms.

[fierce moth]

FAN ART. MY CHANCE.

[fierce moth]

US$13.49 on steam, no exact price for mobile version yet.

[gilded elm]

I like puzzle games like "Cat Love Boxes" but overall not a big puzzle game guy. Monument Valley definitely looks like it could be my thing though.

[jolly wadi]

I guess I got the first 2 games during a sale

[jolly wadi]

Do you like emotional/story driven games with some light puzzle elements? If so, I'd suggest Neva and Gris.

[fierce moth]

🤔 I need to figure out which platform did I purchase them, I guess it's taptap

[gilded elm]

Gris is on my wishlist yeah.

[maiden widget]

Cool hellclock released

[jolly wadi]

The Last Campfire and Recursive Ruin are pretty good too.

[fierce moth]

I played last campfire 2 times The puzzle design is quite good

[jolly wadi]

See, my totally not an Alt account agrees with me so you've gotta try it!

[fierce moth]

Remind me of I missed monument valley 2 dlc... Playing it now.

Monument valley night

This game looks better and get better experience on controlling on mobile exactly. PC version looks fantastic but can't give me the classic feeling

Oh find that. I have played that 7 years ago

1 is purchased on TapTap, 2 is purchased on Google play 👌

[sage flame]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/23619758/ozzy-osbourne-dead-black-sabbath-parkinsons/

RIP legend

[tawny sand]

oh i never knew he had parkinson's that's sad

[ebon meadow]

Rip to the legend,that's actually sad

[jade jackal]

RIP prince of darkness

[radiant helm]

anyone playing this new hellclock game?

its looking good but wanted some opinion

[fierce moth]

The Korean tv show by Netflix which showed the competition between normal people and professional chefs by black and white dual is quite interesting to watch, worth to be recommended.

Show name: Culinary Class Wars

That American is deserve to be the champion due to his understanding of food but I guess the official can't let international people win the prize at last so...

You will see many of them are addicted to make Korean food with Chinese style

[azure stratus]

It seems interesting, the price tag put me off. thought it would be cheaper.

[radiant helm]

bit expensive indeed

but seens like reviews are positive so far

i'm kind inclined to give it a shot, maybe it fill the itch until next season

[azure stratus]

yeah same, timing is good

[tawny sand]

oh hellclock looks cool

[gilded elm]

Don't think this game was anywhere near my radar, but looks really cool. Published by Mad Mushroom, the OTK-based publisher.

Hm, I assume that means Asmon will probably be playing it live soon.

He's four hours into reacting, please god just play the game lmao

Oh okay nevermind, there's plenty of others playing who I can watch, like Moxsy or Aaron

[twilit mountain]

RIP. Not really surprised, he was pretty old now, but still sucks to see him go.

[radiant helm]

@azure stratus@tawny sandjust a small feedback, got it, been playing for an hour, really cool game, art look like hades, but play more like diablo 3

it also has very diablo 2 vibes with the city and all

so far the only issue i have with it is the lack of multiplayer

other then that, seens good

[azure stratus]

No multi is no issue for me

[radiant helm]

Then you'll find lots to enjoy there

[azure stratus]

Does it have online server at all?

[radiant helm]

No

100% SP

The skill system is pretty cool, its kind of a mix between what we have in LE with vampire survivors

[azure stratus]

OK cool, thought they might have some sort of leader board thing

[radiant helm]

like, you got a tree with modifiers and all like in LE

but you also get random bonuses as you advance the run

like in vampire survivors

Also, the music is pretty much a rip off of diablo 2, theres that as well lmao

[fierce moth]

Oh that's quite short... After I can solve them faster.

But my memory is activated again.

[maiden widget]

spent 8h in the demo so i bought it immediately didnt have too much time yet, 10h total i'd say 18€ is fine for me

could be cheaper but looks like theres easily 20-40h in the game at least

[fierce moth]

emmmmm rouguelike mean this game will erase all data after you died, right?

I'm learning which gameplay hellclock is it

[maiden widget]

theres some progression you save but its run based so every time you die you start without "levels" so you progress through it agai

[fierce moth]

oh it mean I must level up everything from zero again after I died but the spec passive points, skills I owned and points on constellation maps will be saved?

[maiden widget]

theres permanent trees and boni you get during the run

the permanent stuff stays the stuff you find during the run is reset

[fierce moth]

(Their constellation remind me of passive tree for counters in poe 2 immediately)

[maiden widget]

its a bit like the sanctum in poe

[blissful token]

Oh roguelike? Not my kinda game

[fierce moth]

that's the point I doubt should I play that too

[maiden widget]

i mean theres a demo

just try it if its fun

[fierce moth]

I'd better to ask my questions in their server...
No demo here
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1782460/Hell_Clock/

lol GGG is honored

[maiden widget]

huh ok weird, why remove a demo if you release your game

[fierce moth]

😆 exclusive channel for discussing poe

[maiden widget]

you could try the install button from steamdb: https://steamdb.info/app/3563400/

[fierce moth]

It don't work

[maiden widget]

aw

sucks that they removed it

guess they want you to try within 2h then decide

[fierce moth]

GGG is the king of ARPG anyways hhhhhhhhh

None of ARPG servers can escape the fate of captured by poe players

Oh. This gameplay come from a counter in d4 definitely

[hot crown]

@fierce moth , you there?

What do you think of this?

Trying to keep working on those drafts.

[fierce moth]

🤔 I'll say hell clock influenced by d4 a lot on Visual side, includes UI design, loot interaction, health & mana balls, skill bars, mini map and character info page

[fierce moth]

No idea... Mike is good at this area instead

[hot crown]

I mean, would you want to toy with this were this in the game?

[fierce moth]

For example, bow mastery.
1- attack speed
2- crit chance
3- crit multiplier

I have no idea which one should I select without another conditions if 1 in 3

[hot crown]

Numbers are ranks, those are unlocked as the character levels up essentially.

Basically what you see is three distinct options for a mastery passive.

[fierce moth]

oh yes, that's why I'm not interested in blessings part in hell clock. WHICH ONE IS BETTER...

[hot crown]

Rank 1 is a baseline. Ranks 2 and 3 take effect as you go.

I was thinking more along the lines of "threshold break" points so to speak.

Whatever ranks mentioned are basically to be unlocked using those.

[fierce moth]

ohhh so the choice is I select one in bow mastery, sniper training and elemental arrows?

[hot crown]

Basically when you spec into Marksman, for instance, you pick out one of the three:

• Elemental Arrows
• Bow Mastery
• Sniper Training
  Think of those as your playstyle flavors. And whatever you pick is leveled up as a separate track, like a skill you spec into.

[vagrant topaz]

They lvl with xp?

[hot crown]

Yes.

[fierce moth]

The biggest harvest I got:
OoO
The job of game designers is quite tricky and complicated, my Jesus. How are they figure out these gameplay and verify which one is fun which one is boring which one is unbalanced which one is no sense... Too AMAZING

[vagrant topaz]

So it would like a "keystone" passive
I like the idea

Not sure how it would fit

[hot crown]

I was thinking along the lines of "ok, let's take the unnecessary bloat out of the passive tree and treat the whole thing like GW2's trait tracks: two for "normal" class passives and a "mastery-specific" one"

[vagrant topaz]

I understand the thought process but I don't think I agree with the initial affirmation : passives trees are bloated

[hot crown]

I meant those passive branches that contribute too little to the expected end result. For example, the entirety of Arrow Storm.

[vagrant topaz]

Sure, some passives are bad or very conditionnal
But there enough diversity to make them interesting, and not enough shitty nodes to make it weird imo

[hot crown]

Also the "tick-tick-BOOM" variety of triggers. Those often work way too out of sync with similar ones.

[vagrant topaz]

Elemental arrow?

[hot crown]

Nah. Arrow Storm specifically.

Open up LETools' Marksman planner and look the branch up in the Passive tree.

Bow attack speed boost for 3 seconds with 7 seconds downtime doesn't exactly scream "I'm useful".

Also Rain of Arrows is a very underwhelming proc.

The only relatively useful node in this branch is the Silver Shroud one, and even that's debatable, given the timers.

[vagrant topaz]

I mean sure it's not the best passives.

[hot crown]

Hence the whole idea.

[vagrant topaz]

But you know what I would recommend really like with you idea

Is if you could there was one keystone per mastery
And no matter what mastery you take you can choose one from the other masteries

And they don't lvl with xp but lvl with point allocated in the tree of the keystone

[hot crown]

That was my general train of thoughts.

[vagrant topaz]

I think that would make a much better decision making moment

Lvling with xp is too "easy" and universal

Imo

[fierce moth]

@maiden widget Ok. My understanding of gameplay from hell clock is:

I act as a gunner, each game is 7 mins, my target is collect as many currencies, blessed gears and relics as possible within the duration.
Skills will be unlocked by completing more acts. Unlocked skills, relics and blessed gears are what I can keep permanently. Currencies, buff for my skills, progressions of my skills and blessings are what I can keep temporarily.

Anything go wrongly here?

[maiden widget]

yep sounds right

[fierce moth]

🫡 Ok yes it's not my tea. Enjoy your tea!

[hot crown]

It's like this:

• You assign your selected mastery-specific passive like a skill to invest into
• You gain points as you level up and use those to slot "normal" passives from the available range for that mastery
• At certain milestones you gain so-called "Threshold Break" points which can be used to unlock that mastery passive's next rank, up to the presumed maximum of 3

[fierce moth]

I'm not quite interested in their art style too. I mean environment art mainly

[hot crown]

Also there're supposed to be close interactions with this: #💬┃general message

Same deal.

[vagrant topaz]

Last thing before you go post a wall of text in #1210282176680169562
Don't be too specific.

1. It will save you time
2. The more specific you get, the more chance they will get stuck on a detail and will discard the whole suggestion without really listening.
   I don't know if I am clear on 2

[hot crown]

I'm compiling it into a single .xlsx.

Not sure if I'll be able to complete it, tbh...

[vagrant topaz]

See, this is exactly what I meant

You don't need to suggest 15 keystone passives with 3lvl each

Just suggest the system as a whole, and what made you imagine it > passives trees bloat

Give maybe an exemple or 2 of the keystones

Because if you suggest 25 passives, it will take you a lot of time
And also there is a chance they read a passive and be like
Gna Gna Gna this one is too strong
And all of a sudden they like the suggestion a little bit less

This is all from what Mike said about how the best suggestions are made

[fierce moth]

It will a good beginning for you if you want to become a game designer of EHG!

[vagrant topaz]

There is X in the game, it makes me feel Y. Maybe Z would be better

[hot crown]

...that's... the problem. 😦

I'm far too prone to thinking up the details and horribly disconnected from everything else.

[blissful token]

There is Vlad in the game, he makes me feel inferior. Maybe nerf vlad

[hot crown]

He has a point though.

[vagrant topaz]

@twilit mountain Daily Med Check

[twilit mountain]

I will double check my alarm! Thanks!

It was off somehow

[thorn nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/esspresso-gif-3547198395962526930

[vagrant topaz]

I am your alarm now

[fierce moth]

aaaaaaa... Vlad is quite warm

Even it's not for me I still feel... Super warm

Sorry I'm poor in English so I have no idea which word available else except warm

[vagrant topaz]

Friendly?

If you want I can harass you so you go back to a proper sleep schedule 😁

[fierce moth]

heartbreaking jump in my mind suddenly.

Well...I need to keep positive. Kirra must positive. Emmmm...

Last night I play monument valley 3, it mentioned the sense of light house.

You're the light house, I'm the ship shifting in dangerous waves and heavy rain.

[blissful token]

I will be the third 🛞or 💡

[fierce moth]

lol

[blissful token]

[twilit mountain]

Real. I'm supposed to be asleep still but my body isn't having it

Oh. Right. Sleep meds are a thing I'm supposed to take. That'd explain it.

OH RIGHT THEY'RE IN THE OTHER ROOM

[blissful token]

Go get em melatonin

[twilit mountain]

Nah, prescribed stuff, melatonin doesn't work on me

[blissful token]

Or have Dream whack you with 🔨

Its not sleep but

[fierce moth]

I want to use sleep pills as the tool of ending my life to be honest...Sigh.

Sleep is the best way to escape the damn real world indeed

The second thing is painting. I can be myself in painting only

[twilit mountain]

I think I'd get an axe to the skull instead

Of which she is spoiled for choice. There's three hatchets and one full sized axe in the house.

[fierce moth]

Then you need antidepressant I suppose.

[desert jasper]

I've melatonin prescription for stronger & more pure melatonin than the storebought stuff
too bad it still doesn't do much

[blissful token]

U can have 4 Johnny

[twilit mountain]

I'm already on antidepressants, they also double as anti-anxiety meds, and I have meds for ADHD as well, and because that isn't enough I have to take vitamins on a daily basis since I'm deficient in like 3 different things :P

[fierce moth]

question, how many hours for sleeping do you need to keep energetic?

[twilit mountain]

Uh... idk. I haven't felt energetic in probably 9 years now?

[blissful token]

My body follow the typical 8hours to wake up naturally and not feel like a zombo

[twilit mountain]

I have two settings: useless blob who will fall asleep if she stops doing something for even 5 minutes, and sort of functional but please do not ask me to do something that requires me to focus or walk for longer than about an hour tops.

[desert jasper]

Too late, we are going for a 5hour walk

[fierce moth]

I want to know do I have ADHD to be honest, but I'm too poor to afford the check fees....

[twilit mountain]

I will die

[desert jasper]

So will I

[twilit mountain]

Bet, meet you in hell?

[fierce moth]

I can focus on something but 2h is the max

[twilit mountain]

It is 6:30 in the morning and I'm making boxed mac and cheese because I've been awake since 11:30 last night. And I have to be awake at 2:30 this afternoon to get through an appointment. It's gonna be a long day I think.

[desert jasper]

Ah yea
I should heat up some food soon

[blissful token]

You can cook AT Uth Duna

[twilit mountain]

I hyperfocus on things I enjoy/am interested in, to a degree where I forget to eat or sleep, but on the other end of that I can't keep track of like, anything I need to. The only reason I remember I have an appointment is because the person I have it with texted me yesterday, and I've already forgotten the ones I made two days ago. And yes I have a calender, somewhere

[desert jasper]

I uninstalled it
the game runs even worse these days

[twilit mountain]

Wicked my partner was scolding me for not having sticky notes to put on my doors and such last night

[fierce moth]

🙏 My Jesus. I hope I can help someone if I can. HHHHHH but I'm the someone who need help too... Sigh.

[blissful token]

Stick them on the ceiling too so u can see them on bed

[twilit mountain]

I feel like that's a recipe for cats landing on my face

[fierce moth]

Thank you, the funniest joke I heard today

[desert jasper]

Cats landing on the face is 10/10

[twilit mountain]

Speaking of

[fierce moth]

I can't do that though because that's my parents' house

[twilit mountain]

Weirdo zipped off at top speed and like, baseball slid his way under the shelf

[fierce moth]

Supper time 🫡

[twilit mountain]

Enjoy your food!

[desert jasper]

Yeaa I'll need to cook some chicken & rice

[blissful token]

Baskets... they wiggle in

[twilit mountain]

This has reminded me of smth I need to pass to Dream

[blissful token]

WAT

[desert jasper]

Do it

[twilit mountain]

I have left her a message, she will read it when she's alive again o7

[blissful token]

"The bones are in your laundry, hepi digging"

[desert jasper]

I wish I didn't need insulin
still not happy having to inject it

[twilit mountain]

Urgh... I do not envy you, I can't take needles without passing out. I'm still huffing copium that I'll get lucky and won't deal with it (it runs in my family)

[desert jasper]

I'm the only one in the family
and I the diagnosis last year a week before my birthday

[twilit mountain]

What a shitty birthday present D:

[desert jasper]

Yeah
Tbh thinking back I had had the symptoms for a while already but just didn't think that it'd be diabetes

[twilit mountain]

Yeah, happens. Apparently my father ended up in the ER at the start of this year cuz it finally showed up in him and he was too busy with moving to actually do anything about it

[desert jasper]

Yeah I had to go the ER

[twilit mountain]

I hate these kinds of conditions cuz it's not like, one you you can say "oh, I hope you get better" or "you'll be okay in time" or anything, it's just a giant middle finger from existence itself

[desert jasper]

It is what it is

tbh the doctor was surprised I wasn't showing signs of depression because of it

[thorn nacelle]

μελατονίνη!* nvm though u mean melaninh 😄

well if i have a lot of it still didnt not saved me vs 45degrees hot sun

average in 5-10mins naked to sun end up with heavy sun burn after. took 1 week with alloe vera to heal up a bit

[fierce moth]

@blissful token I'll say Berg/Intoit is the honoured employee who keep the case that someone in EHG always here in anytime (cables under the sea never be broken) 🤔

Oh forget him. Yes Derek always here too

[fierce moth]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMVmhnysRok/
Meow!

[blissful token]

Not sure about Berg but Intoit and Derek are announcer

some of the news-post are posted by them

[blissful token]

oh wats that

oh pigment

[tawny sand]

@twilit mountain Have you tried Trazodone? It helped me a lot, in one of the psych wards i was in i had a roommate that snored LOUD and they gave me trazodone to help. Been taking it occasionally ever since when I can't sleep.

[placid yarrow]

@twilit mountain med check? Don't remember what time it needed to be lul

[blissful token]

Deias, i think you have enough sticky notes here . At least for med check

[fierce moth]

hhhhhhhhh

[fierce moth]

I guess it's original to that release week. Their servers are overloaded for a week so many EHG members joined in the announcer team

[desert jasper]

Vlad did it earlier today

[placid yarrow]

Ah guess it's around noon for me then

[desert jasper]

Yeah, was close to 13:00 my time so should be about midday for you

[vagrant topaz]

I don't know of there is a proper time though

I just tell her when I see her first post

[twilit mountain]

That's pretty much exactly what I need yeah, not really a set time just so long as it's not "I took em at 10PM and then again at 6AM" sitch. Basically every morning is ideal.
And at that, they have successfully been taken, thanks y'all <3

[twilit mountain]

Also following up on this, that is actually exactly what I have for sleep, I'm just really bad at remembering them because I don't tend to sleep in the same part of the house night to night and they typically sit next to my bedroom door lol

[thorn nacelle]

First time see this.. nobody else doing world boss i guess

[fierce moth]

A bit nostalgic since played monument valley 3 because this game series is the first puzzle series I played on mobile indeed + I played puzzle games on mobile at first. Then I reviewed the question "why I think no videos available for me to watch on youtube if I just want to relax".
Then I reminded of which tv shows have I watched. Fine, my memory remain... Food. Chef. Actors. Games. None of them are international.

Yes, this is the problem every migrant who lives in another country will meet I guess. How to become one of members in another country on cultures/food/language/entertainment/education/holiday/hobbies/learning etc.

Of course, I can't be an migrant physically, but it's here mentally.
It's a big mental strike.

[pseudo owl]

Imo world bosses are pointless lol. You can just run infernal compasses and then spam shit for tormented duriel and andariel runs for mythics and be maxed in a week. Every time I've done a world boss it was like "I could've gotten more out of farming regular dungeons in the same time"

Admittedly, I haven't touched this season, so maybe they've been changed.

[fierce moth]

😢 I think 2h for downloading at least

what escho in US is

ellescold? Elscold? Elescho?

I'm bad at guessing which word is from the pronunciation

[ashen osprey]

@obtuse rune

[obtuse rune]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-cute-cartoon-gif-13129642345548097607

[fierce moth]

Are you mentioned a state or a city in US before? I wonder where is it in US

[obtuse rune]

I'm on the East Coast of the US!

[fierce moth]

oh... East coast. Alright my listening just too bad. I can't react what is it

I'm the person who have wondered what butterfly is while I listened that

Have been wondered why he said butter is flying suddenly

[thorn nacelle]

There is a New boss which spawns loot chest from any other boss ingame once u kill it. My point wasnt about loot or exp Was just that i find it funny to have live Events going on and Split up the Playerbase based to the torment lvl they are into. Game is already too easy guess thats why they made it so😂

[junior oyster]

It might be the difficulty you are on but if not then wb's are practically worthless after the first couple of kills imo

[fierce moth]

I'm too boring, so I find do any ARPG are cooking and this game give me something to play, the name is Sil and the Fading World.

Well... Good news is I understand why camera rotation is prohibited in le/poe/poe2/d4 after experienced ARPG with this feature.

[junior oyster]

Why does that look like d4

[fierce moth]

"chaos" is what the skill passive tree let me feel. Readability is poor

[gilded elm]

Grim Dawn has camera rotation. Personally, I never use it, but Grim Dawn uses a static world, no procedural generation so they hide a lot of "secrets" in places you can only see by rotating your camera.

[junior oyster]

I've used it mainly for that reason but some boss fights I've used it too

[gilded elm]

Yeah it can be useful, I think GD does a good job of it.

PoE's game engine is heavily optimized for no camera rotation, though.

[junior oyster]

PoE can really use a better zoom out

[gilded elm]

True! PoE is too zoomed in

[junior oyster]

I think devs are on high crack with the laz of zoom

[fierce moth]

🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 😅 What the hell these odd creatures are... I added a few unknown skills then I'm burst into laughing by them.

[gilded elm]

I think D4's camera stuff is actually really good

[fierce moth]

Sigh, character artists are expensive exactly

This dev need more people to help him

[fierce moth]

Oh. They call Kitra. What the hell

[twilit mountain]

If I recall correctly it's a solo dev project based on the guy's love for MMO style raids, I've seen a few threads from them pop up in indie dev subreddits over the past couple of years.

[fierce moth]

👀 I guess maybe I'm looking for what early MMO feeling mean indeed. That's the memory of my childhood

I'm too young so I can watch my brothers to play that only

[gilded elm]

I would love an ARPG with MMO-style raids. I suspect that's an unpopular opinion, though. I think D4 tried something like that with the Dark Citadel (never tried it myself) but the experience I really want is Lost Ark raiding with ARPG systems, including itemization. I know that would be a nightmare to balance, though.

[fierce moth]

To be honest, own a fantastic gear is quite fantastic exactly

[gilded elm]

There's just soo many variables in a proper ARPG. One solution that comes to mind is damage caps, I could live with that.

[blissful token]

Wait.. Kirra going for Throne and Liberty?

[sage flame]

Dare I ask what this is

It smells p2w

[gilded elm]

I'm not fond of NCSoft. I mean, better than Nexon perhaps, but still.

[fierce moth]

#📚┃off-topic message

[gilded elm]

I think being part Korean just makes me inherently distrustful of big Korean game developers.

[fierce moth]

this indie game force me to learn how to WASD to control character successfully 😂

[gilded elm]

I dislike WASD for isometric games lol

Not a big fan of ARPGs only supporting WASD

Oh but T&L isn't ARPG, it's 3rd or 1st person, right?

Someone said that was T&L? Not sure lmao

Wuchang is still 8 hours away? wtf :(

[blissful token]

Is it same as the first game?

i didn't finish it cuz the gameplay is too nioh for me

[gilded elm]

Is there a first game? Not sure, I just really like the vibe of the game's art and gameplay.

That said, I like Nioh's art and what gameplay I've seen and experienced, but I haven't played it a lot.

[blissful token]

whoops i got mixed up with Wolong: Fallen Dynasty :P

[fierce moth]

You're sensitive on new games. This game have so much influence on Chinese game medias recently

[gilded elm]

Oh? You mean there's a lot of reporting on Wuchang in Chinese game media?

[fierce moth]

Lot of reviews and opinions sharing

[gilded elm]

Good reviews?

Curious what Chinese game journalists think about Wuchang lol

[sand wigeon]

It’s good.

[gilded elm]

Aww yeah. China has been making some great mainstream games lately

[sand wigeon]

Iron Pineapple made a video about it, if you’re curious. He was sponsored, but he’s always very clear when he is, and his opinions while playing something have never really changed just thanks to a sponsor.

[gilded elm]

Oh shi- a 1 hour video on it. This is good, thanks

[twilit mountain]

Sil and The Fading World. Not P2W, it's single player exclusively. It's not out yet though, just a demo afaik.

[gilded elm]

"I'm sponsored, therefore make sure to watch other coverage" okay at least starting off good, he's honest.

Dunno who this content creator is

[sand wigeon]

He’s probably the YouTuber I most respect.

He covers a lot of small games, and he’s always very realistic about what they do well and what they don’t. His takes and opinions are nuanced, and he gives a lot of good advice.

[twilit mountain]

He's also just funny and entertaining

[sand wigeon]

That too

[twilit mountain]

He finds some really diamond in the rough type games, and for some reason every time he finds a game made by a furry dev it's absolute peak

[fierce moth]

ohhh

[fierce moth]

I should check it out

[gilded elm]

https://youtu.be/GNy3Du8nmTg

[sand wigeon]

Atlyss moment

[gilded elm]

This game is beautiful

[twilit mountain]

Pseudoregalia popping tf off

[gilded elm]

Man I really wanna try Atlyss but I'm also conflicted lmao

[twilit mountain]

It's unironically good

[sand wigeon]

If you like grinding, doing the same thing over and over and also enjoy MMO leveling you’ll like it

Don’t go in expecting anything but that

It is not a large game

[gilded elm]

The style is really cool, reminds me of 3D games made for PlayStation 1

[sand wigeon]

And it’s better played with friends

[twilit mountain]

Also it has movement tech and that's really funny

[sand wigeon]

Also it has attractive furry ladies

Don’t tell anyone I said that though

[gilded elm]

RIP haha

• PC? ✅
• Friends? ❌

[sand wigeon]

i was trying to state the races you can play as but they’re censored

because it’s one word off another word for “nsfw material”

[gilded elm]

Yeah the furry part is what I'm conflicted about lmao

[sand wigeon]

Why?

[gilded elm]

It's mostly that I'm not too big on anthropomorphic animal characters.

[blissful token]

oo that halberd is probably my type of playstyle albeit i like sword better

[sand wigeon]

Why would it impact your experience with the game, though?

[gilded elm]

The same way any art you vibe or don't vibe with might affect your experience, really. I like the overall art, just not too sold on the character art.

[sand wigeon]

I can’t think of any art I don’t like

[gilded elm]

Yeah I like most art too, I think there's something about anthropomorphic animals that throws me off. I need to unwravel that and figure out why.

[sand wigeon]

Predisposed to disliking furries thanks to poor online critical perception or poor experiences?

[blissful token]

sadge there is seemingly no perfect block, game emphasize on dodging or attacking constantly

[twilit mountain]

Could just be an uncanny valley type feel, I know some people get that from anthro stuff for some reason

[sand wigeon]

Maybe

I’m a furry, so I obviously have a pretty different perception than you

[gilded elm]

Yeah I can't say honestly. It could be something like that hammered into me over the years. But I also don't have any opinions about people who are into it. Doesn't bother me, but something about playing as an anthropomorphic character is different.

[sand wigeon]

What about playing as an actual dog

Obligatory “play Okami”

[gilded elm]

Oh yeah I can play as an actual animal. I loved Little Kitty Big City for example.

Thinking about playing Stray too

[sand wigeon]

No clue what that is

Wasn’t Stray, like… Kinda bad?

[gilded elm]

Little Kitty Big City is a super cute, cozy game

Highly recommend: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1177980/Little_Kitty_Big_City/

Not sure on Stray, has really good reviews at least