📚┃off-topic

[crisp onyx]

and didt buy d4

[sweet blade]

Reaper of Souls was interesting, because the fact that Malthael was missing is in the lore from Diablo 1, IIRC.

[viral galleon]

4 still does the thing I found most infuriating where it feels like a different developer would give you story choices but blizzard looks like it offers choices but railroads you into one side so hard I wonder why do they even write the story that way

[sweet blade]

IMO, Diablo has never even tried to allow you to 'take sides' in the Eternal Conflict.

[viral galleon]

Well to explain what I mean
Mephisto has been helping guide us because he wants to stop Lilith and he knows we can do that.
Finally Mephisto tells us we should stop faffing about with the soul stone and just help him kill Lilith.

Then the story says you have to refuse.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks, wait let him keep talking I want to hear what he has to say

[sweet blade]

Mmm... I think that Mephisto is the least trustworthy of the Prime Evils. There's almost certainly a 'hook'. There are good gameplay reasons to not allow this, as well.

[gilded elm]

There was a whole arc in Diablo lore about why you shouldn't trust Mephisto.

It's called Act 3 in Diablo 2.

Mephisto is quite possibly the least trustworthy Prime Evil indeed.

[sweet blade]

If that choice mattered (i.e., changed the storyline with gameplay ramifications), then how do you get players who chose opposite decisions to do things together? And this happens with EVERY impactful decision you make.

[sweet blade]

Not 'possibly'. 'Definitely'. Baal and Diablo are much more elemental in nature. Mephisto has been the Thinker among them for all time, and is incredibly good at manipulation.

[gilded elm]

Yeah Mephisto's entire character is centered around manipulation

[sweet blade]

In my one playthrough of D4 all the way through the campaign, my skin crawled thinking that I had to rely on Mephisto to deal with a far more immediate threat.

[viral galleon]

Well if we know from a game play position we can't let players make a choice, then why write it so that clashes with any potential story

[tawny sand]

poe2 has mostly negative recent reviews now, of 11 thousand

pretty wild

[sweet blade]

So I've seen, yeah.

[tawny sand]

overall it's mostly positive though

[viral galleon]

Because the .2 paych it will take a while to correct

[sweet blade]

You do the best you can with what you have. As I've said, though, the Diablo series has never been big on choice. And PoE follows the same formula. As does LE.

[sweet blade]

That is a very clean sign to GGG that people do NOT like 0.2.

[viral galleon]

And they have been fixing it

[sweet blade]

That remains to be seen, IMO.

At least the issues I have with PoE2.

[viral galleon]

You can say the story doesn't really matter in these games but at least poe and last epoch are made to let you ignore it

[sweet blade]

So is Diablo, or are you talking about things like cutscenes?

[viral galleon]

Well like compared to poe, d4 requires you go back to town to talk to npcs constantly

You don't have to pick up quests from npcs in poe

[sweet blade]

Ah, so basically, the issue for you is that the RP aspects are too integrated into the gameplay to ignore, but there's no real choice to the RP?

I can see that, and it's reasonable. Kinda like 'move the needle more to one side or the other'?

[viral galleon]

Yeah

[sweet blade]

Yeah... Sacred 2 is an old ARPG that actually has meaningful (at least one) choices you can make, though you kind of have to make it at character creation.

[viral galleon]

D4 feels like it wants me to engage with its story, there are quests where you go talk to npc, cutscene, go talk to another npc, go kill mobs, turn in quest at third npc

[sweet blade]

Yep.

In Sacred 2, you have to choose if you play either Good or Evil (basically), with one character each forced to play a specific Path. The ending changes based on which one you chose. And the origin story changes somewhat based on this choice. Don't recall if other quests change.

[stoic warren]

Oh damn

[desert jasper]

Haters will say that's not real

[junior oyster]

I hate neyrelle for this reason. I want to side with mephi lol

[sweet blade]

I actually haven't kept up with the story since Release.

[gilded elm]

Although it's funny because D4 has a "Skip Campaign" feature lol

Regarding the D4 thing earlier

[sweet blade]

Quite true.

[ember lake]

Beeal

[maiden widget]

i also really didnt like d4s lore, it feels very... soap-y i guess with neyrelle

and the lack of real bosses you face off against is lame even compared to the stupid belial stuff in d3

[rare hare]

Or it could be a Beelion

[junior oyster]

Yea that's kinda how I felt

I also hated the ina vs lilith at the end

[desert jasper]

If I could be bothered I'd photoshop a lion to look like a bee

[maiden widget]

d4 feels like you're following the hero vs being the hero in d1-3

[junior oyster]

Would have been more interesting if we fought a crazed out ina instead of lilith

[maiden widget]

yeah initially i'd have thought lilith is just someone like duriel or andariel and we get another big bad later on

sadly not even the exppack gave us more than scraps

[junior oyster]

That was such a bait lol

Left us on a cliffhanger

[maiden widget]

i was pretty mad and how bad the whole story of the exppack was - and i normally don't even care about it

[desert jasper]

I mean an actual lion

[junior oyster]

An antlion?

[desert jasper]

Magnificent

@ember lake

[celest wagon]

hummingbeerd

[junior oyster]

The eyes feel so off

[ember lake]

These are fun 🙂

[ember lake]

A Beelion!

[rare hare]

meh it was a 10 second google search 😄

The same said search also brought this one up 👀

[desert jasper]

That one doesn't look pleasant

[maiden widget]

big nope energy

[celest wagon]

the 1.2 delay made me lose my sanity a bit, I hope I have energy left for next week.
(yes this is all mined block by block)

[sand wigeon]

The reason for this is that it provides a hefty amount of stat boosts for just having it in your main or off-hand. (IIRC, it's 1 Vitality and Endurance, 2 Adaptability and 1 Dexterity. It gets used in SL1 runs a lot.)

And the nature of Dark Souls 2 means that, even outside of SL1 runs, pretty much any weapon is usable if you infuse and buff it.

[twilit mountain]

Huh... Fair enough, I guess that makes sense

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1jvszg3/dawn_of_the_hunt_launch_in_a_nutshell/

🤭 I don't know, I just feel this video is funny

[fierce moth]

congras, you're under blocky status now!

I have a new idea, start cooking my voxel art 🫡 Keep upgrading.

[fierce moth]

Alright the cruel truth is current scale is toooooo small for my idea. So I need to build everything from zero...

Oh thanks god. 2x bigger on scale can be worked immediately.

[gilded elm]

somehow missed this on reddit a few days ago lol

[sweet blade]

BWAHAHAHAHA.

[crisp onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnNhA7vLgZ0&ab_channel=TheTriple-iInitiative
if anyone interested

[last cedar]

The vision

[crisp onyx]

no, its game show

[gilded elm]

I hate Zoanthropes

[maiden widget]

yeah they're really annoying to deal with

[gilded elm]

For the Emperor

They nailed the combat in this game, so good.

I see new VS DLC, I go to buy

Then realize, it's free lol

[teal flame]

Oh yeah dude, it's so good.

[gilded elm]

First a Castlevania collab, now a SaGa collab? Insane

[teal flame]

40k fans eating really good lately

[gilded elm]

Nah nah, don't say that. 40k PC gamer fans still starving. We got nothing man. SM2, that's it.

[junior oyster]

No idea what SaGa is but I added it to my acc xD

[gilded elm]

Well, no. Rogue Trader is good.

[teal flame]

What? Rogue Trader and Darktide are both excellent

[gilded elm]

Darktide is meh for me because I don't play co-op stuff really lol

I'd play Darktide if it had any kind of single player.

[teal flame]

skill issue

[gilded elm]

But yeah it's basically SM2, Rogue Trader and maybe Mechanicus. Boltgun is good, but it has really limited replayability.

[teal flame]

I'd love to see an Admech factorio game

Like it's just begging to be made

[gilded elm]

I'll be honest the thought never occurred to me.

But that actually makes a lot of sense lol

[junior oyster]

I'd love a megaman x collab with VS

[teal flame]

Right? Like you're on a planet trying to found a new factory world

It makes too much sense

[gilded elm]

An AdMech automation game couldn't be more in theme

[teal flame]

Seriously

[gilded elm]

Didn't even know they had a Megaman/Capcom collab, they're getting some big attention lol

[junior oyster]

They don't?

[gilded elm]

Oh you'd love one

[junior oyster]

I'd just love it lol

[gilded elm]

I misread.

[junior oyster]

Yea lol

I give literally 0 dams about any other capcom ip

Only MMX series

[gilded elm]

I could see it happening though. If they collab with Capcom, I'd really want a Devil May Cry collab though

[maiden widget]

id kinda dig a survivors game with more items but sadly death must die content is slow :<

[junior oyster]

VS with slay the spire wouldn't be bad either imo

[gilded elm]

This is how starved I am for 40k PC content right now.

I am getting desperate.

GW plz

[maiden widget]

i want a dawn of war 4 that just either does dow1 proud or dow2 and not a hybrid that does nothing right

[teal flame]

I'd love an updated Inquisitor Martyr game, it just feels so clunky compared to LE/POE2

[gilded elm]

Yeah... Martyr is a dead and done, Hierophant was just a last ditch cash grab I fear lol

[maiden widget]

i really didnt like the itemization in it

3% chance to slow on hit really does nothing for me

[crisp onyx]

did you try death must die?

[gilded elm]

Yeah a little, not much. I'm decently familiar though, but I don't think I've ever played past the first act (I mostly played during release)

[maiden widget]

gnomes came out, it just has no steam deck verified badge yet 😦

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3133060/Gnomes/ cool game if you like TDs

[gilded elm]

I don't know if it will get it. It's just a mouse game. I mean it could still get it I suppose, but I don't think it will have controller-based UI navigation for example.

Pretty much would just play it with touchpad mouse or something

Or touchscreen

[maiden widget]

could work but yeah - i'll eventually get it but on pc i have a few bigger games i play

and i am mostly looking for steam deck fodder

[gilded elm]

The whole game can be played with just left click and right click, if I remember

Touchpad mouse feels pretty comfy on the Steam Deck tbh

[crisp onyx]

its like vs+ but much shorter as of now

[maiden widget]

should probs just try the demo on deck again

[gilded elm]

I often make ambidextrous controller layouts for my Steam Deck games which can be played with only a mouse. Meaning I can play one handed on either my left hand or right hand on the Steam Deck, like if I'm laying down and wanna turn to the other side lol

Like Path of Achra or similar games

[maiden widget]

sounds good, will have to try that

[gilded elm]

I just wish that using the touchscreen on a Steam Deck didn't feel so clunky. I'd be more willing to use the touchscreen for gaming.

[maiden widget]

i think its too big for that both the screen and deck itself - would be cool tho

[gilded elm]

Yeah, in practice I basically never use the touchscreen functionality for anything. It's just not that convenient.

[junior oyster]

I use it for typing

It's faster than using the pads

[sweet blade]

SAGA in VS?!? WUUUUUT.

[gilded elm]

Yeah, but not really to interact with any UIs or in games

[junior oyster]

Yea

I do use it in StS sometimes but mostly I use joycons

[sweet blade]

Which SaGas are in?

[gilded elm]

SaGa Emerald Beyond

The free VS DLC is called "Emerald Diorama"

[sweet blade]

Sure... sorry, I should have asked which characters are in?

Oh, sorry, just that one game? Aw darnit.

I was hoping for some SaGa Frontier or Romancing SaGa (Raphael!!) characters.

[gilded elm]

https://youtu.be/vrb7lTnklrw Looks dope, surprised this is free

I went to the store page to buy it because that's what I do whenever a VS DLC is released, they've never disappointed me so far. Was pleasantly surprised to find that it's free.

[maiden widget]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2615540/VOIDBREAKER/ has a test going on atm looks like crab champions 😄

[gilded elm]

Seems interesting, though I've got tons of roguelike/lite FPSes in my library already lol

[junior oyster]

I got a lot of roguelikes too but the only one I really play is StS

[maiden widget]

i'd be open for something new but it has to be something special now

[junior oyster]

For me it's literally StS2

[maiden widget]

waiting for monster train 2 atm

[junior oyster]

I'm more hyped for it than I was for poe2

Yea I do want MT2 too

[maiden widget]

i'll also likely get this on launch next week: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1721060/Mandragora_Whispers_of_the_Witch_Tree/

looks amazing

[teal flame]

Yeah, I dont love 2d games but it looks great

[maiden widget]

had to abandon voidbreaker in the tutorial i just can't deal with those basic "use wasd to move" "use space to jump" tutorials anymore - especially if they dont let you skip the voiceovers

[ebon meadow]

Wait we can now say patch notes when here lol exited for the changes and new stuff

Still haven't played on new pc yet ,this week work is killing me I just want to crawl in bed

[teal flame]

You don't need to say patch notes when. It's tomorrow, probably at the same time as every other hype week post (9am PST)

[ebon meadow]

I know it's a meme we use from Poe lol

About fricking time btw a lot on mobs pack defenetly need this tuning

[teal flame]

Yeah, that's going to be a big positive.

[sweet blade]

'Monster speeds were reduce by 5%. This is a buff.'

[ebon meadow]

XD sounds like a meme maybe that's enough

[sweet blade]

Yeah, it might be enough, but I doubt it.

[junior oyster]

Is that 5% real?

[ebon meadow]

Me to some packs overwhelm u if you keep dragging them so much

[sweet blade]

It was just a joke, eesh.

Sorry.

[junior oyster]

Nah I wouldn't be surprised lol

[sweet blade]

Part of a joke is that there's a kernel of realism in it. 🙂

[teal flame]

Yeah, so far their updates have actually addressed the problems

But it's not out of the realm of possibility for sure

[sweet blade]

We'll see. My prediction that a lot of the nerfs will get buffs more or less just in time for LE's release seems to be playing out...

[teal flame]

We'll see. I doubt it'll change too much tbh

[sweet blade]

Probably not, but enough for a lot of the outrage to die down. (Which IMO it largely shouldn't.)

[viral galleon]

The biggest change is that several groups of human enemies (like the faridun) charge into you and do melee attacks. Then if you backed off they'd cancel their animation and charge you again.

They stopped the animation canceling and they now walk to reengage you unless you got too far away.

[pine basalt]

((saw Quin reading this reddit post was hilarious)) : https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1jtdx7l/feedback_from_a_white_mob/

[sweet blade]

Yeah, that thing is BRUTAL. 🙂

[teal flame]

Yeah, this could be a huge change.

[pine basalt]

So before mobs were like "human in fighting games" + reading your inputs / animation cancel to kill you ? :/

they should give mobs "dodge rolling" when you try to burst your 20 sec CD big spell ; )

[viral galleon]

I just find it weird they thought it was ok for mobs to animation cancel

[sweet blade]

Yeah, heh. They think a LOT of shit is okay...

[teal flame]

I dunno, that sounds more like an oversight. Like they made animation canceling the default behavior for animations or something and it propagated to everything

[sweet blade]

Poor QA, no?

[teal flame]

Yeah, but it's also hella clear that this update was way rushed, so things like that making their way in isn't too surprising.

[sweet blade]

Yeah.... but you'd think that their behavior modules would at least have a 'player only' flag, no? 😉 (Yes, I get that it probably just slipped.)

[viral galleon]

The mob behavior was there from the start

[sweet blade]

Ah... just the damage in 0.1 covered over the issue?

[teal flame]

Yeah, very probably

[viral galleon]

People were always complaining about being swarmed

[ebon meadow]

I wonder it to frame it or make it a papeholder lol ,RIP first pc it's been long years

[teal flame]

Yeah but the buffs to monster health in .2 make it super clear

[fierce moth]

any games includes plenty of architecture designs?
any games includes plenty of gothic architecture designs?
any games includes plenty of brutalist architecture designs?

Asked deepseek all questions above, I find what the reason block me from keep creating not only money but also... Interest for different game genres.
No games I interested in trying even the price isn't a issue is disappointing 😕

[teal flame]

Check out Enshrouded. It's got the best voxel building in gaming right now I think

It's like if Breath of the Wild and Minecraft had a baby, probably my GOTY for 2024

[stuck fossil]

Never seen this

Think it was the TFT discord?

[karmic nimbus]

whole discord was down for me

mobile and pc

[junior oyster]

Pc still down. Mobile fine-ish

[fierce moth]

Yeah I can't log in PC discord...

🙃 discord is broken again

[stuck fossil]

Im on pc rn

[karmic nimbus]

me too, on app not browser

[teal flame]

Here's one of my favorite example builds from Enshrouded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MqOufzvAIA

This dude and his team are insane, but they make some amazing stuff

[fierce moth]

lol ok pc discord is come back but time to mobile discord don't work

[ebon meadow]

Look on to valheim and the people's builds u might like it

Bad thing is probably building stability there

And my discord down to on pc lol thought it was something weird

[stuck fossil]

My buddy and i spend hours building a sweet base, update changed the terrain and we spawned in to it raining down upon us 😦

[fierce moth]

Unfortunately I don't like playing any building games because I have built enough in magicavoxel... And more free space for me to build architectures if I want to build the own architecture models. Assets in building games are prepared so not enough room for DIY.

[ebon meadow]

Valheim is very time consuming then for you lol it's a very chill long game

With some action it's a survival

[stuck fossil]

chill until the ashlands

then its hell on earth

[fierce moth]

I can't render my works in games and show them as my works on cv is an issue

[ebon meadow]

Just the graphics they use is what gets u the most so easy and bland but looks so good

[ebon meadow]

Biom already out no ?

[stuck fossil]

yes

[ebon meadow]

I need to get my self a month of Arpgs lol

[teal flame]

I think that'd be the thing with Enshrouded, it's a voxel game so you can build using individual voxels, and the voxel blend technology makes it great for making good looking buildings.

[ebon meadow]

All Bose's done apart from Ashland's and I really like to find cheesy ways of doing them

[teal flame]

Here's a more recent image someone dropped in their discord:

[ebon meadow]

U have terraria to no ?

[fierce moth]

I don't remember where have I heard this game, I just feel the name is familiar

[teal flame]

Terraria is also great yeah

[sweet blade]

I actually own Enshrouded, but I've played it less than an hour.

[fierce moth]

hah pixel games, no

[teal flame]

It's still early access but the current state has probably a 70+ hour playthrough until you get through all the content.

[sweet blade]

Is that the one with the killer fog?

[teal flame]

Yeah

[fierce moth]

baba is you is the only pixel game I can accept

[sweet blade]

I think I got to the first 'hard' enemy and just folded.

[teal flame]

Lol, they added difficulty settings a while back if you want to breeze through it

[sweet blade]

I'm sure I'll get around to it. I've never gotten too deeply into survival games, for some reason.

[teal flame]

That's fair, I love them

Enshrouded is a bit more 'adventure' than survival game. It does a good job pushing you into new areas to unlock stuff and make progress

It's not like Ark or Conan where you're dropped into the world and it's just like "okay good luck"

[sweet blade]

I tried Kenshi... holy crap, talk about 'no direction'... 🙂

[teal flame]

Yeah, I've never been able to get into kenshi. A buddy got it for me but it doesn't hit right

I feel like hard survival games have kind of stagnated in a lot of ways, so many similar games coming out that you need gems like enshrouded that do things differently

[sweet blade]

It's a good example, graphically, of my issue with 'washed-out' looks to games.

[junior oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnNhA7vLgZ0

[gilded elm]

Any Warhammer 40k game will usually have a lot of Gothic-inspired architecture

[blissful token]

DmC maybe

[gilded elm]

Speaking of, I need to watch the Devil May Cry series on Netflix

Oh shit, Schedule I patch.

[viral galleon]

i don't know if you should watch the dmc series

[tawny sand]

i heard it's pretty mid

haven't seen it though

you should watch Gundam GQuuuuuX instead 🙂

[viral galleon]

best i can say is that it really feels like it wants to adapt the DmC reboot that was pretty panned, instead of the dmc franchise

[tawny sand]

isn't it a younger dante

instead of DMC5 dante

[gilded elm]

Bite-sized 4x sessions? Sounds pretty cool

[crisp onyx]

these videos are so misleading. i'm sure i were try to build it it would look like this

[crisp onyx]

did you try dont starve?

[fierce moth]

Thanks for the clue, I search warhammer series at first, none of them is my tea then I changed my direction, go to check out the official server at first.

Their publisher is focus entertainment, I wonder do their server own fan art channel, the answer is yeah. Then I checked out which pictures are here, then... wow, this group of in-game screenshot is impressive.

That's why I found this game. And cool, it's on sale too!!!!
I like this scene the best after checked out their trailer. Architecture-heavy adventure game? My tea definitely :)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1230530/Atlas_Fallen_Reign_Of_Sand/

[twilit mountain]

That game is still on my list of things to get eventually

[fierce moth]

The shortage of adventure games is no matter how epic and impressive the game experience bring you, it's one-time only. No replayability...

That's why I'm disappointed on playing action adventure games before even I love that game after I completed the game.

Well... The only action adventure game I have played is unravel.

1 is completed, 2 is... sorry out of my ability. The gameplay too hard because it need quick reaction to pass danger mechanics.

[vivid axle]

So we're getting Ascendancy respecs

[crisp onyx]

they are still worth it though

[last cedar]

GGG trying to cook before 1.2

Still not logging in hmph

[teal flame]

I have, I just can't get into the art style.

[fierce moth]

lol don't starve? I tried, I like the art style, but I can't get into the gameplay.

What I played is don't starve together though

[desert jasper]

same game
just with co-op possible

[crisp onyx]

shame, one of the best survivals

another good one is vrising but its rather short for surv in pve

[teal flame]

Yeah, V Rising is great, I'm looking forward to their expansion at the end of the month

[keen wind]

That is an interesting concept if it really manages to fit the timeframe of an RTS but still feel like 4X, though I think I'd personally prefer my lengthy Stellaris runs still

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1jwjirc/every_time_i_go_on_the_poe_forums/
Thanks, a puzzle is solved

[silent kelp]

where do you find yourself on this triangle?

for me im on the middle of rogue and fighter and out towards the center ish, and slightly down to beastmaster

[narrow token]

What on earth is that?

[silent kelp]

a ternary diagram of three classes

i typically play physical ranged so

[pine basalt]

i like alts so i play all of them ><"

[sweet blade]

Strategist. 🙂

[silent kelp]

same but most have preferences

unless u are a true strategist

[sweet blade]

I guess I should say that is in computer games. Tabletop, I want to play Psions or Illusionists.

[pine basalt]

Sure some classes i don't understand the meaning (like wtf is a cat-burglar or cutpurse / tinker) ; but there HAVE to be something FUN to do with them :v Even Loremaster or diplomat can be fun gameplay

Best i can do is a top 20 xD

[sweet blade]

A cat burglar is someone who specializes in climbing and parkour type moves to infiltrate places and steal stuff.

Cutpurse is another name for pickpocket, though it tends to have slightly more violent connotations.

A tinker is someone who repairs and maintains tools, historically. In RPGs, they tend to also do things like building robots and other types of clockwork machinery.

[pine basalt]

it's like a good meal with meat, can't pick, have to taste all the flavor

i already have 25 builds "to test / play" for 1.2 :/

[keen wind]

Where big bonk

[pine basalt]

00 06 or 20 ?

[sweet blade]

Pugilist has the closest theme, I think, but yeah, it's kinda missing. Berserker also fits.

[pine basalt]

Pugilist ? big bonk ? guy only uses his hands no ? isn't BONK a Mace / big tree weapon ?

[sweet blade]

Yes. A Pugilist to me can take one of two forms, one of which being a huge guy who COULD wear a Mace and/or do Big Bonk with just his hands.

[pine basalt]

Oh !

[keen wind]

Berserker makes me think of chaining faster attacks but I may just be off, I can see the idea with pugilist though

Warlord sounds like it encompasses other skills too (and hence being closer to the center) which could be interesting

[sweet blade]

Yeah, but that's PoE thematics leaking through, IMO. There are plenty of examples of Berserkers who wield huge weapons and slam slam slam.

[sweet blade]

Warlord has lord which has connotations of leadership, yeah.

[keen wind]

Yeah it's probably PoE leaking through, in other contexts I've seen it refer to low defense builds If that isn't just OSRS leaking though instead

[sweet blade]

Yeah... that's more traditional, and PoE also has that flavor in Berserker.

[pine basalt]

All games have different flavor for classes

" Dragon Knight "

they always use a spear ? (ff9 - ff14) ?

[sweet blade]

That goes all the way back to FF4, actually.

(Kain.)

But the Dragon Knights of Suikoden use Swords, IIRC. Well, some do.

[pine basalt]

"dragon knight" in google pictures => a lot of them have sword+shield

Some fight ON dragons (mount), some ARE dragons lol (scally)

for me Berzerk doesn't wear armor (only underpants)

he can wear tatoo lol

[keen wind]

Dragon knight makes me think Divinity 2 Ego Draconis which is kinda useless because there you're one no matter what archetype you make yourself into

[pine basalt]

"Dragon knight can't even breath fire lol noob"

[junior oyster]

Dragon knights make me think knights that specialise in killing dragons

[pine basalt]

that too !

[keen wind]

When you equip the Dragon Hunter Lance in OSRS

[junior oyster]

If only I had an inkling of what you meant

I played mmos for like a max of maybe 6 months worth of gaming hours 😂

[pine basalt]

refering to that : #📚┃off-topic message

[junior oyster]

Forgive me but is that referring to dnd classes?

Either way it's 9000% necromancer

Bonus points if you are allowed to choose to be an undead race

That's why I still prefer dos2 over bg3

[keen wind]

I wanna say that sounds like a lich but there's no lich in there smh

Unless I'm blind

[junior oyster]

Not that I saw lol

[pine basalt]

Necromancer using Necromancy on himself to become an Elder-Lich ???

[junior oyster]

I was thinking vampire using necromancy but sure

I still remember secret of mana on the snes and the true form of thanatos.

That was pretty cool

[fierce moth]

alright, I see why I can't be hired by EHG... I can solve nothing.

So... The first step is... My aesthetic must super strong, stronger than their environment artists because aesthetic is the basic for an artist.

Can copy their style and turn them into my style just very basic

so I can make voxel version of temporal sanctum, ok cool but it's just cool. I need to know how to improve the aesthetic of temporal sanctum... Then the thing will different completely.

[sweet blade]

I am so happy a digital version of Frosthaven is being developed.

[pine basalt]

EHG : Are you sure you are ready ?
Server provider : Yes of course !

We have emergency back up too :

[keen wind]

Wow I can't believe they actually themed the servers after the Weaver!

[karmic nimbus]

i heard one ehg member is still missing after doing server setup

[pine basalt]

Lost in servers cables, survive becoming a Beaver, stay long enought to become a Weaver....

Are they refering to my reaction dodge time ?

[pine basalt]

So ! The Tencent conspiracy theories : How to make marketing without money ?

Problem : EHG want an ethical game without scrwing the player.

How to make more players play LE in an over-saturated market ? => find the player where there are => in other games !

But POE 1 & 2 are so good, how make those 12 years addicts come here ??? There is NO RMT, NO Div/hour, no brainwashing sound in loot filter (good those divine sounds are drug for sure)

Last resort :: make those games progressively bad, then make a BIG event, like a natural catastrophe / DRAMA so everyone would leave the sinking Boat to go to another and survive this cold sea.

So they waited the Perfect moment, 1.2 LE release (massive update), to "sink" POE : proofs : POE 1 is abandoned since 1 year to ensure nobody will play it, POE 2 Release DRAMA so ALL poe player would learn about "LAst Epoch exist and respect your time"

Last Epoch is postpone 2 weeks later => it's now 17th and it MATCH the Kick-starter birthday (hazard ? dont think so ! :illuminati:) + Drama make LE seems like "the poor victim of the big bad meany great brother)

As Tencent have share in both games, it's only win-win-win (exept for players)

[narrow token]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-12901943281765003956

[pine basalt]

Step 3 : make POE 1-2 great again => profit !

[fierce moth]

wow so attractive. But I know I can't get that :(

[narrow token]

I'm guessing it has to be done on hardcore. I'm out

[fierce moth]

yeah

[desert jasper]

ez first place
in my dreams

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ I just know I'm out. Good luck, travellers!

I never play solo challenge

[pine basalt]

If you don't play MG or don't have friend like me it's the best game mod (ssf hc !) ^^

i don't like races, it's not fair for everyone

Got a job ? you're out ! no stable internet / stuck in queue => you're out, low reflexes old Kiwi ? out !

[karmic nimbus]

Im MG enjoyer, i dont have time or energy to hunt all my items

[dry jolt]

I plan to join the race, not expecting to win, but I like speedrunning ARPGs

[fierce moth]

Nothing is 100% fair in the world

[pine basalt]

We play videogames because it's not the real world :/ or we would just p2w rmt

[fierce moth]

sigh, we can't enjoy videogames without the real world unfortunately

[glass dune]

I'm sorry for being on topic, but the hype for this game appears to be real.

[pine basalt]

yeah poe refugeese

• 1 year waiting for update ;o

[glass dune]

Meanwhile, I keep hearing how PoE2 has negative hype

[fierce moth]

Yeah it's real but I still thinking how to join the hype.

[glass dune]

Buy and install the game if you haven't already is a good start

Unlike that other Last Epoch-like, you don't even need guides (although they exist if you want em).

[pine basalt]

Nah masochist enjoy it

[abstract karma]

damn is this real ? I mean no offense to devs or whatever or sponsors but game needs to release in big bang with big revue income to be handle consequences of literally have prize on 10k $ in total

[fierce moth]

Ohhhhh... I played this game a year already.

[pine basalt]

No guide, but tips are welcome !

[glass dune]

Then you're already set!

[glass dune]

I mean it's Ziz and his sponsors who organized this. It costs EHG nothing.

[abstract karma]

dang streamers

[fierce moth]

🤷‍♀️ Famous streamers are rich

[pine basalt]

dunno what Shopify is, but 10k is cheap cost for marketing

[abstract karma]

havo to "angry" off PoE 2 highers ups 😄

[abstract karma]

would agree if this game would have good month income but new update for new "money" is upcominng now

[tawny sand]

it wouldn't surprise me if ziz is paying part of the prize pool

i know he houses steelmage

[fierce moth]

Well... wait i wonder do these famous le youtubers belong to this part.

Parrythepig, frozensentinel, Aaron, Binaqc, Dread

[pine basalt]

isn't it the Best moment so ? like nobody will talk about last epoch for 1 year - so 10k for marketing to many players seems good

[fierce moth]

you mean he buy a house for steelmage? I'm curious about what the relationship of them

[pine basalt]

Smells like blackmailing lol

[tawny sand]

they're good friends i'm guessing, idk. I just remember him saying in a video he helps steelmage or something

[pine basalt]

yeah they are veeeery good friends

[fierce moth]

what a value friendship is

everyone will want that

[pine basalt]

Steelmage is not as famous than Ziz, maybe he wouldn't be able to "live from streaming" without help

[fierce moth]

what the relationship between your sentence and your screenshot?

[pine basalt]

i realy like both steellmage and magefist xD

[abstract karma]

with XXX stuff we get trough this update like progression diversity (big one) i hope that next season give us little more "hard" content because i think that game will be easy for some ppl - too much easy..

Wonder how big threat is uber abe

[exotic wave]

It's too late guys

[fierce moth]

🤔 I never know this youtuber...

[exotic wave]

I already killed uber Ab

[pine basalt]

EVERY Flicker Strike player knows him (Flicker Strike is not a Skill it's a Cult)

[karmic nimbus]

Iirc mike or some other ehg member predicted it taking 9 days to kill him first time

[pine basalt]

Arf sorry for you you are not illegible :v

[karmic nimbus]

But we'll see

[exotic wave]

Thanks man

I like being legible

[pine basalt]

press "X" to doubt in Ben

[karmic nimbus]

🙃

[abstract karma]

for this season 2 ? I though they said they made him harder

[karmic nimbus]

Uber abby is new

Norm abby is little easier season 2

[fierce moth]

that's cool. Congras! 🎉

[pine basalt]

someone will find a bug to go up 100k ward and exploit it ? ;o

[exotic wave]

I will use my new $5k to bribe to prevent release of patch notes to the public

they will be mine now

[pine basalt]

xD

[exotic wave]

mine only

[fierce moth]

I decide to stay in this channel to wait patch note

31mins left

[pine basalt]

you mean 2 h and 31 min ? because website will crash :p

[exotic wave]

*1 week and 31 minutes

[fierce moth]

I'll read what changes on runemaster and warlock directly at first. Another characters not in my current deal

oh shaman. I need to learn a bit about him too

[pine basalt]

not so interesting in reading :/ just wanna start this nerfed spellblade

[fierce moth]

yeah but you can't understand contents these youtubers will post soon if you don't read that

[pine basalt]

nah they'll make builds and explain "this is good this is bad", shoudln't be so hard

like Dr3ad said "tempest strike bad", so i won't play it this cycle ;; btw for next cycle can't be sure without proper testing

[fierce moth]

it's fine, I don't test all things come from 1.1 too

I mean exclusive loots from aberroth and a few exclusive items from harbingers only

[last cedar]

Who is streaming again

Gen chat is going insane I’m glad it’s safe In here

[fierce moth]

lol it just will more insane soon

I mean on the launch day

[last cedar]

True… so much hype

[pine basalt]

LE website be like :

[fierce moth]

But glad to see so much hype. This server be quiet for too long time

[pine basalt]

you mean, for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ? xD

i fear poe players / addicts will like 1.0 : disapointed

"put negative review, never come back again"

[fierce moth]

I still remember over 300000 players in this server on March last year

then less and less

[tawny sand]

i look forward to the chaos

how many people will take time off work and then be upset when something goes wrong with the game?

i'm betting a few

[glass dune]

Assuming something major is going to go wrong.

[tawny sand]

it usually does

i mean 1.0 the server connection issues

1.1 didn't have as many players

[glass dune]

You do realize that they worked on fixing those issues during 1.0 right?

[tawny sand]

🙂

[glass dune]

Why would the exact same issues arise again?

They'd have to roll back to pre-1.0 infrastructure

Something could happen, I'm not ruling it out, but I find it kinda short sighted to think in terms of "problem caused by big number, server not big enough". That wasn't even what it was.

[fierce moth]

oh I see, streams at first then patch notes

[tawny sand]

I didn't say it'd be servers specifically 🙂

[pine basalt]

Sorry i just read the patchbook your builds are nerfed :/

[last cedar]

Im watching the vid before I check out patch notes

[fierce moth]

🤔 Yeah my low health warlock is under more dangerous case now.

[pine basalt]

it's a BUFF no ?

or i don't understand what " under dangerous case" mean ^^'"

[fierce moth]

oh good change. Reduce the chance to be slain by this skill a lot

[fierce moth]

less value across all tiers + less ward retention per intelligence mean...

oh wait. They're more

[pine basalt]

i knew less ward ret from intel, but what you linked is just increased stat

it was 24-30 NOW it's 33-42

[fierce moth]

so stack intelligence is less sense on defensive but I can get more ward per second from affixes, ok

[pine basalt]

Need to check unique items too !

[fierce moth]

ok the stream is over

Ok then how attractive arena echo will be is decided by how many loots we can get from the champion

[amber vault]

My cat seems to like LE. Has been sitting there watching for over an hour.

[fierce moth]

let me pet your cat! Meow

[fierce moth]

you don't check out patch note?

[amber vault]

i will now... had no idea what time livestream started

[fierce moth]

@ember lake what's spire? I never hear this term...

[junior oyster]

Terraria lol

[fierce moth]

I guess I'll not store dungeon keys anymore because I can exchange portal charms with them

[junior oyster]

The towers that throw aoe pools at you

In maps

[ember lake]

It's a Monolith type. You'll notice when you attack enemies that an AoE will come down and the objective marker guides you towards the Spires or towers that you need to destroy

[junior oyster]

Usually you kill 1-3 of them

[fierce moth]

oh?...Ohhhhhhh oh

Thank you so much. I forget that already...

Spire guardian sounds fun 👀 Like a group of enemy will around the sanctum in poe 2

[pine basalt]

test #👑┃item-showcase message

[fierce moth]

I'm not quite understand what sense will get passive points and idol slots by completing these dungeons in compaign bring, I need to test that later

[last cedar]

MY LORD THESE PATCH NOTES IS HUGE

Compared to 0.2 patch notes it’s a joke

[fierce moth]

emmmm I want to check out heartseeker's skill tree instead of reading all tooltips of relevant nodes because I don't know which node I can get at first, which node require xxx points to unlock and which node can be available by which nodes only...

No sense to learn without learning their connections

... lol my lord. Lastepochtool is broken by overload

[junior oyster]

Works fine for me

Build planner works fine at least

[fierce moth]

lastepochtool can't load my build list on my side... Oh maybe it's updating

[junior oyster]

Dammitt could also be updating LEtools

[fierce moth]

I can't see 1.1.7 soon. I'll miss it.

[abstract karma]

some guy just had to do it.. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3756318 lol

[pine basalt]

;'(

[junior oyster]

True but I also don't care about poe2

[narrow token]

Shots fired

[last cedar]

Imagine ggg had a big patch notes like this and it was all nerfs oh wait

[narrow token]

The long term updates to vfx and sfx in the patch notes are going to be huge for people

[pine basalt]

Are you talking about changing sound in loot filter ? would love it

[narrow token]

I mean this.

[pine basalt]

Oh man / woman !!! ❤️

[fierce moth]

What's hardcore blessing?

[narrow token]

I assume it refers to the blessings that a hardcore character has unlocked.

[pine basalt]

Monolith Blessings

[junior oyster]

Interesting they are allowing you to convert to SC

[fierce moth]

I suppose a lot of changes can't be showed in patch notes because no pictures. 2x info will be here if it include pictures for vfx changes, unique item changes and new mtx items on store.

[pine basalt]

There were "bugs" in hardcore, when dying reputation (cof / mg), and harbinger won't "transfert", so you die => no stash + can't use items (reput) + have to redo all harbinger

[abstract karma]

i wish we get before season 3 update on DSSL or other reducer of GPU pressure

[pine basalt]

just go Unity => Unreal 7 :p

[abstract karma]

unity isn't bad but i think its bad for proper 3D developing which last epoch is and heavily one

[pine basalt]

yeah i read somewhere "unity is not optimal for arpg type game"

i'll blame unity ^^ and not EHG

[fierce moth]

No so much want to say on patch notes because key parts I have learnt from previous dev streams and the trailer... Just realize how much info EHG gave before.

Thanks for EHG to save my time on reading patch notes!

[abstract karma]

main point of new craftin you will re-read it when you get your char to endgame anyway

till then you will run and run till you are done

[fierce moth]

😅 Not a melee player so skip sentinel part save lots of time. hah too tough to read patch note from zero... (yeah 2h I spent on reading poe 2 0.2.0 one)

[abstract karma]

i will go for 3rd time javeling because i just wanna f.. make good electrify javelin 😄

[pine basalt]

waiting for the "what was nerfed" video, can't see if a build is nerfed globally for now

[abstract karma]

from first look except abuse of ward like almost everything even dmg was buffed lol

i seriously worry about "diff" of this season 😄

[narrow token]

I must buy red lightning when it becomes available.

[pine basalt]

"diff" ? like mid cycle nerfs ?

[abstract karma]

no i mean as whole season.. difficulty as whole.. as i said, there are a lot of dmg buffs this season

and for a many ppl was this game easy even before

[fierce moth]

Ward Per Second + Ward Decay Threshold and Added Health + Added Health Regeneration, as double new suffixes in 1.2, is what I'd like to get as more as possible. I mean more items with these suffixes and more t7.

[pine basalt]

now iam scared in hardcore + low reaction time ; )

i didn't read anything, (exept aberroth nerf), isn't difficulty for "late game "?

[abstract karma]

i dont play hardcores i can't even play soul's games 😄 which is bad because some rare of them has interesting story and Lore as i'm more of RPG based player

[narrow token]

As far as I can tell they mostly gave enemies more health instead of a ton of extra damage.

[pine basalt]

btw in campaign they already nerfed Duo-Goats (avalanche and light one shot), was HC killer

[fierce moth]

Nice update for drop rate.

[pine basalt]

can't compare to old drop rates

[fierce moth]

The only pity is no info for new caster weapons or armours for casters yet

[abstract karma]

white mobs will drop less and magic and rare more - interestin change in overall

[narrow token]

More lightning! More fire!

[fierce moth]

These're unique items I want to gain and test in 1.2. Let's see how will players apply them in their builds.

[teal flame]

I'm planning to mess around with

[narrow token]

A stationary prism sounds familiar to Runemaster. 🤔

The exploding one.

[fierce moth]

ohhhhhhh! I miss that

[pine basalt]

poor (or rich) MG players :

[fierce moth]

double new unique catalysts seems that suitable for leveling in early time only

Increased the chance to find prophecies to 40% (from 20%) for the following lenses:
Focusing Lens of Arrows, Authority, Axes, Blades, Bows, Champions, Cleavers, Clubs, Hammers, Knives, Orbs, Shields, Spears, Staves, and Wands.
Increased the chance to find prophecies to 15% (from 10%) for the following lenses:
Focusing Lens of Pentacles, Relics, Rings, Alchemy, Body, Crown, Hand, and Path.
Increased speed of prophecy rerolling by 100%.

Such a beautiful bonus. Good job!

[fierce moth]

Example 1: You list an item for 500 gold. The purchasing player will pay 1000 gold, or 500 gold (list price)+500 gold (tax).
Example 2: You list an item for 1,000,000 gold. The purchasing player will pay 1,150,000 gold, or 1,000,000 gold (list price)+150,000 gold (tax).

I don't get why double cases here... If buyers must pay the tax, isn't 1000 golds in example 1 and 1150000 golds in example 2 only?

[pine basalt]

shhhhhhh don't reveal ! ><"

[pine basalt]

little nerf for X2 lenses

40% will 'feel' better i hope, 20% feeled useless

not usless, required to found proper weapon

[fierce moth]

Oh I miss these new unique items, plus Gordian prison, 10 unique items I will farm in 1.2 🤔

I feel marksman will 10x more interesting to play due to new changes in 1.2 🤔 Ok I will play marksman as same as many players

[keen wind]

Critting potions sounds hilarious

[teal flame]

Grasp of the Blood Mage could be really interesting for a phys-convert gathering storm build

[fierce moth]

are you going to play mage?

Curious about your choice for cycle starter

[teal flame]

Yeah, I have a build planned

It's a revival of a build I had long ago before it got bugged, now the bug is fixed and there's lots of new uniques and gear that synergize well with it

[fierce moth]

cool, no idea how to play my heartseeker marksman yet

[ebon meadow]

This one looks interested , now I m spilt between rune master and warlock

[teal flame]

I was chatting with someone a while back about a tri-element build using Gordian Prism that could be pretty cool. You use ele nova with big AOE normally and then grand prism nova and it casts 6 ele novas when you cast it

[ebon meadow]

Ohh my that sounds like the ice nova build from wolcen

[teal flame]

Yeah, I'm planning to try it out if I come across a gordian prism while leveling

[ebon meadow]

If u can make the damage chain that is a cool build

Even better of it can give u a chance to cast the nova on the chained mob

Screen go brrr

[abstract karma]

dang i've now realized that "Spears" has no "SET par" no par of set items

[junior oyster]

Yea so Dammitt was updating his site xD

[ebon meadow]

Weapon mtx when lol

[abstract karma]

spears haven't even mtx ?

[ebon meadow]

Like I like that Arpgs u basicly gather different items from different sets but sometimes it needs to be in theme

[ebon meadow]

I don't think so ,yet anyway

[abstract karma]

dang spears are so rare in this game 😄

[ebon meadow]

I never Had a things for spear or javelin it's like half made ranged

Mid range ,no project nova or fan ... It's feels weird to me

[teal flame]

Forge Guard javelin builds going to be awesome. 2H spear + shield is gonna be excellent.

[ebon meadow]

Had a bit of peak on the announcement earlier from Steels stream at work

Sentinel is getting rework or paladin ?

[teal flame]

Void Knight is getting the most of the rework, but basically everything in Sentinel has been touched (largely buffed)

[ebon meadow]

I usually don't follow changes untill releas its more joy for me

[teal flame]

TL:DR volatile reversal was a huge power steroid for every build in sentinel, so they changed it so it's not mandatory and buffed up things so they didn't need the power boost it granted.

[ebon meadow]

Nice ,one of my first builds was spinning Pala with huge leach

Not sure even how the skill is called now

[teal flame]

Warpath, yeah. It's a popular one, people love the spin to win

[ebon meadow]

Yea it's warpath

[fierce moth]

poe 2 refuge camp.
🤣

[vivid axle]

Huh, LE is buffing HP builds? Novel concept... armor actually works too.

[pine basalt]

You can say "LE is buffing, Novel concept" 😉

[teal flame]

Lol I think POE is the only ARPG where armor uses a weird nonsensical fomula.

[ebon meadow]

Urban legend armour is always there just for the number

[fierce moth]

I heard poe 2 get most negative on recent reviews now?

[pine basalt]

POE changed so much in time, i member an old time where armor was too good

[ebon meadow]

Armour in Poe has always been a a bit weird

[teal flame]

Armor has varied between too good and too bad, but it's always used their funky formula

[ebon meadow]

Because whe had like 3 types of defence back then lmao

[pine basalt]

and they worked !

[ebon meadow]

God damn it's cold outside I can't type XD

[pine basalt]

guuy is getting outside the whole week so you can stay month indoor xD

[vivid axle]

If POE2 had Fortify or more ways of generating Guard, I don't think anyone would have as much issue with armor working that way.

[ebon meadow]

They did but layers of time did they job now armour is just additive

Str stacking Vs armour stacking what's better lol

[pine basalt]

yeah i stopped a long time ago, now you MUST be onion layers of defenses

immun reflect, spell dodge thing, immun ailment, immun elemental ailment wtf

immun to the thing that bypass your other immun

[ebon meadow]

If they made spell sup more available I think we can be in a good spot but I still think of just give us an option to hop from side to side like on atlas tree with gateways

[pine basalt]

Str 💪

[ebon meadow]

If I can hop to right side with let's say 24 passive point it would be so fun

Proj damage evasion es poison spell sup holy

[fierce moth]

I'm interested in how armour works in poe 2 once it's worked. Poe newbie.

[vivid axle]

It has a weird formula that makes armor very effective against bug bites, but the stronger a hit is, the less effect it has.

[ebon meadow]

It is ok for now , but u still need other things

[vivid axle]

The new Encased in Jade is really good.

For Warbringer.

[ebon meadow]

But yea to survive big hits u need more things like life pool stun threshold leach or regen

[vivid axle]

Plus the Turtle Charm buff, WB is quite survivable.

[ebon meadow]

It is still a bit weird to me that armour works on huge amount of small hit but when u get crit it's like nullified

[vivid axle]

Yeah, again, if we had Fortify it wouldn't be a huge deal.

Because I think the goal in PoE1 was to shrink the hit enough that armor would become effective again.

[ebon meadow]

That's actually a good thought ,I never thought of it

Bit we have forty in both games ,u mean like more available it was before ?

[vivid axle]

Fortify is not in PoE2.

[ebon meadow]

? Not on pc right now but I m lot sure I saw it in gems

Or does it do different

[vivid axle]

? Maybe they added it with the new supports and I haven't seen them yet?

[ebon meadow]

I think I have it on my warrior

[vivid axle]

The one I saw gave you increased armor during your attack, which isn't great because it's just more armor.

[ebon meadow]

I l check when I get home I want to find a build to play I just started my pc yesterday lol made a monk just to start farming something

Ohh we all still gonna play on 17th even if it's for 2-4 weeks

[pine basalt]

better later than never, always has been since 2018

constant liying and denying shadow nerf always was here

[teal flame]

Yeah, weird choice to have this happen at the exact same time, smells like intentional interference.

[pine basalt]

#📚┃off-topic message

[teal flame]

Ehh, that's a little to conspiracy theory for me. Tencent's general policy with their game companies is to let them do their thing and interfere as little as possible. It's also in their best interest if both games are good because ARPG players are known to jump between games.

Also, it would make more sense to push POE2 harder because their supporter packs and stuff are WAY more expensive. EHG's cap out at $60 but POE2 regularly has packs that are $150+

I think it's more likely that POE2 had an April deadline due to some other circumstance/contract/whatever, and the beginning of the month was the only week they could do it for whatever reason (staff vacations, other commitments, etc). Some of the streamers have said as much after talking with GGG folks.

[pine basalt]

it's more like "LE is such a Niche product it need some help" but yeah it's makes no sense when you see what poe 1 +2 can make as money

[ebon meadow]

Well I think big think was s year long league and they were sort of pressured to get out content for at least one game

[pine basalt]

I can't see the part in the patch that says :: Covenent of Dominion has been removed from the game ?

i'll ask in "ask the dev"

[sweet blade]

TBF, LE had that weird ELemental Resist thing in Beta.

[sweet blade]

They halved the damage of all Covenants, no?

[sand wigeon]

Tencent’s strategy doesn’t involve influencing the companies they invest in at all.

They indict zero influence over their investments.

[sweet blade]

That's their normal strategy, yes.

[sand wigeon]

Tencent invests in an extremely wide range of products, including competitors, because when even one thing succeeds well, it makes up for losses.

[sand wigeon]

And the one they continue to perform.

Tencent isn’t this evil thing. It’s just an investment company, and frankly one of the better ones.

PoE2’s issues are 100% the fault of management. We’ve seen infighting in decisions between directors on stream before.

[sweet blade]

There is at least the potential for issues when Tencent completely owns a company.

[sand wigeon]

Sure, but it’s frankly an unlikely option.

[sweet blade]

Unlikely, yes, but the chance increases if the company does poorly.

[pine basalt]

This for Dots, and for cevenents :

dunno what "explosion" ability is, gonna check

[sweet blade]

Correct.

[pine basalt]

can't find the "explosion" part, iam too dumb :/

The BIG nerf is corruption scaling, but i get rekt before :c

[vagrant topaz]

Dont use the wiki

https://www.lastepochtools.com/

[pine basalt]

i tried "skill" segment but can't found

maybe iam too dumb to found "ennemy" section

SO !? What class are you playing for TorchlitInfinite release on the 17th April ???

[sweet blade]

I do not recognize those words. Surely, you must be speaking a language I do not recognize.

[fierce moth]

First time to plan my build before new cycle is launched, this is wonderful.

Seems that ravager's dart isn't compatible with my build unfortunately 🙃

[pine basalt]

People at Party tonight : "don't you drink dude" ???
Last Epoch enjoyers :: Nah i'am already high/drunk on PatchBook men.... Peak Dopamine !

[teal flame]

Is this a late april fools joke?

[sweet blade]

Hm?

[teal flame]

Torchlight infinite 😝

[karmic nimbus]

[pine basalt]

nah it's basic Kiwi's bs/trolling, never trust that Grole !

i can't understand ppl saying "3 month cycle / league is too long", like you only 1 char, kill uber once, push once arena? and you play full time?

[karmic nimbus]

they just dont think what it takes to make new season

[pine basalt]

yeah this too, but from player perspective, iam so biased "alts-holic"

[teal flame]

Same, that's one of the things that makes me keep coming back to LE. The discovery of new items, theorcrafting builds, etc etc

I rarely even get to empowered monos because I start a new build and never go back to the last one

[karmic nimbus]

i like mroe doing alts than doing end game

[teal flame]

Yeah. For me it's when the progression slows down so that I don't have a good way to target my next upgrade(s), it stops being fun to progress

[karmic nimbus]

i go like 100-200 empower and get bored and start new build

[pine basalt]

Now you can do "10/10" harbinger and "try" aberroth, it's a very good "Goal"

[teal flame]

Yeah, with some of the additions, pushing your corruption isn't too hard. I'll definitely be trying to push my builds to at least regular aberroth

[pine basalt]

you need 300 corruption, it's way faster than before with monolith trick (first one 300c), can't remember if it works for alts too

[narrow token]

This LE update is going to be MONOLITH-ic 😏

[pine basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZqGBi9vunA

Can't wait 17th !

[last cedar]

GUYS HAWG DROPPED NEW VISION BOY VID LMFAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBAnK5XukQc

[sweet blade]

How many Jonathan clips are in it?

[last cedar]

😭 watch it u know you want too

[sweet blade]

I couldn't get through a minute of the last one, because I couldn't stand Jonathan... so trying to understand what might happen.

And yes, 'Am I not merciful?' is an excellent characterization of Jonathan.

[teal flame]

Also, it definitely sounds like AI voiced that have been trained on their interviews and my brain doesn't like it. If it's not AI, then maybe just the editing bugs me

[fierce moth]

question: why an eye is in this video?

😱 4h this time? Oh man

oh still about 2h, thanks

[mortal talon]

was looking at the Woven Tree Planner on LEtools

[fierce moth]

@warm warren

[warm warren]

All texts that you see in LE Tools that are related to the game (item props, skill names/descriptions, nodes etc) are taken directly from the game, so if you see any typos, please report them to devs.

[mortal talon]

Done and Done

[abstract karma]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5WM9D6A
initial bad build for javeling made.. but i think i need more hp and more armor
idk how to make own builds 😄

[candid crypt]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (65) / Paladin (28)

General:

▸ Health: 2,836, Regen: 223.55/s
▸ Mana: 134.51, Regen: 9.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 59 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 98% / 96% / 131% / 78% / 78% / 78%
▸ EHP: 10,780 / 10,780 / 10,780 / 17,694 / 10,780 / 10,780 / 10,780

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 843
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (377)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,951)
▸ Block Chance: 64%, Mitigation: 34% (875)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Symbols of Hope (1/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Smite (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)

Used unique items:

• Sierpin's Fractal Tree
• Bleeding Heart

[junior oyster]

Wait there's an letools mod on this server? Damn

Nice

[junior oyster]

Also same when it comes to making my builds lol

[abstract karma]

neeed alsot better mana regen.. Javeling cost is high

will need reduce some dmg because armor and other defences are low

still need some idols

[junior oyster]

If I do play I'm going necro summoner as always xd

[abstract karma]

or wait 9 mana cost - 9 mana cost + 10 mana cost = probably 1 mana per throw..
with changed one atribute and changed on mana with 14.32 well that might work

[junior oyster]

I'm bad at maths but isn't that 10 mana per throw?

[abstract karma]

ups type error

[junior oyster]

Haha

[amber vault]

I'm trying to find a list of all new affixes. Are there more than those in these categories?

[abstract karma]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4Ew9Zlo abusing new idol system it could be good on endgame

[candid crypt]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (65) / Paladin (28)

General:

▸ Health: 2,938, Regen: 237.44/s
▸ Mana: 180.51, Regen: 15.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 43 Str / 59 Dex / 1 Int / 17 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 136% / 107% / 105% / 131% / 78% / 78% / 78%
▸ EHP: 11,439 / 11,439 / 11,439 / 19,367 / 11,439 / 11,439 / 11,439

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 877
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (377)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 70% (6,402)
▸ Block Chance: 64%, Mitigation: 34% (875)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical / Spell, Melee, Throwing

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Melee

Buffs:

▸ Haste, Symbols of Hope (1/3,Passive)

Used skills:

• Javelin (24)
• Smite (20)
• Symbols of Hope (20)
• Forge Strike (20)
• Ring Of Shields (20)

Used unique items:

• Sierpin's Fractal Tree
• Bleeding Heart

[fierce moth]

My heart is exhausted 😔

It's damn that Chinese bank card/Chinese ID is limited on Patreon. Patreon don't support Paypal accounts come from China...

Just want money I deserved to get but I'm limited because I'm Chinese

[fierce moth]

🙃 Alright no good artwork can come out without strong faith, consistent patience and clear concepts

No so much faith on le recently is the reason possibly

Or not so much faith on any games I can say

[ebon meadow]

Is that you first time widrawing it from patreon to you account

[fierce moth]

yeah first time to use patreon

[ebon meadow]

Yea so the first time u widraw they usually retain it for a month it's for everyone, YouTube does same and I m guessing twitch to ,also there's a limit u must reach before u can actually widraw

I remeber addsence for YouTube u had to accumulate like 75€ before u can widraw and then wait a month they have to check if the money is coming from a legit source

[ebon meadow]

Any suggestions on a warrior build for PoE2 that's good or maybe huntress ? Want to reroll today I farmed some thing with monk for few hours now time to actually get a build 5 days left till le

And the best thing I have next Friday of and Monday lol still working Saturday for few hours

[blissful token]

Kirra, i am curious of your weaver tree :v

[ebon meadow]

hydra rune master for the win

[pine basalt]

ARPG players* players be like "something is missing in LE" :

There is no :

[sweet blade]

Heh. Rhykker has a video out...

[ebon meadow]

Made for Madrid but I'm great Britain lul

Taste horrible btw there to much oxygen in there

But it'sy team

[pine basalt]

I think you got scammed it"s "Madri" not Madrid :p and for O2 just do like coca cola :: wait 2 days then drink it lukewarm ❤️

[ebon meadow]

i am from Spain lol this beer disrespects me

lmao its actually horrible it like Pauliner but with 80% more oxigen

neghobur bar owner got it from a client and we split the taste

[fierce moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1jx4z6q/new_monolith_areas_are_amazing/
🤔 wow, lots of works are available for me to do later on fan art

I feel EHG is building their works as an value artwork belong to them by this video

Great, more inspirations for environment design is coming

[ebon meadow]

This guy for matter can overcome Budweiser any day any time lul

One breed on England other is south Spain

[fierce moth]

are you showing your wine?

[sweet blade]

Heh. 🙂

[ebon meadow]

More like evening tea XD ,it's beer

It's was funny when UK makes beer for a one of the biggest teams in Spain lol just like prime and barça

[fierce moth]

Just get energy by that reddit post... Let me check out now

[ebon meadow]

Britain cant make fkn beer lol why are the making it for Europe best place for light is beyond me

[fierce moth]

Looks like The sequel of A pilgrimage is available completely

What annoyed me the most is I don't know how to craft that. The case will be solved soon

GGG: 7 new maps are available. Go to explore our new maps by yourself. (shut down the tv)
EHG: 36 new weaves of echoes are coming! Not only new maps for tombs and cemeteries, but also more new changes for our map design! Let us show you! (Show them for an hour)

[sweet blade]

Hahahahahaha.

[pine basalt]

and the "Guinness" ? (i don't like it)

[sweet blade]

I love Guinness. About the only beer I like to drink.

At least, the Guinness they sell in the US.

[pine basalt]

It's not the same product for me, "brown" beer have more flavor, like a coffee, and white beer are like water => refreshing after sport / hot sun

[ebon meadow]

Dark beer I can't handle it lol it's to fermented for me

Gimme buds and I cam chew theught 24 psck easy fishing

[sweet blade]

Re: light beers, I'd rather drink water.

[ebon meadow]

Water tastes like water beer Tate better

[pine basalt]

true lol that's the point, can have many pint / litter still fine, but brown ones....

No this is not against TOS we talk about it : :p

[sweet blade]

TETO.

[pine basalt]

"no alcohol found in this thread" 😉

[ebon meadow]

1.5 liters a day of anything maintain that u be good just think that coffee and alcohol dehydrated you so just drink more

[pine basalt]

and guiness taste like ?

[ebon meadow]

I don't drink it ,it smells smile soil to me

[pine basalt]

"" Guiness taste like 0.2 POE 2 " xD

[ebon meadow]

To heavy I would prefer a rum before Guinness

[ebon meadow]

It hurts but I love that o have Poe 1

[tawny sand]

guinness is good

[ebon meadow]

I can still play my favourite game and some le lol

[tawny sand]

i like bitter drinks

[pine basalt]

what for ? oil substitute ? to water plants ? or for drinking ?

go my answer

[tawny sand]

i'm not going to answer

[pine basalt]

oh i thought it was for drinking cause you like it bitter, now i am wondering if you take bath with it or.... maybe hidden medicinal property !

i KNEW it !

"staying single" ✅
"drinking" ❌

[sweet blade]

Niiice. 🙂

[torn zinc]

Umm I really hope you all like this artwork I’ve put a lot of effort and heart into it If you can take a little time to share your thoughts or give some feedback, I’d be really happy 💞
I’m always trying to get better and even small comments help me improve!
Let’s see how many people truly engage your feedback means a lot to me!
Thank you for taking the time! 😉

[fierce moth]

🤯 bees!? Honey!? Meteor!? Speechless. This one is the most creative one I seen so far

But the question is how to run a meteor build well then. I'm into frostclaw more personally because meteor is weaker on single target.

[pine basalt]

is this Rick & Morty ? ;p i am no an artist but see A LOT of work done on umbrage and details, i REALLY like character design and details, maybe the background stage "waste" everything for ME (personal preference) : like if they were in a (shaddy) apartment / gotham city i would like it more

i like the girl's face saying "wtf iam doing here under spotlight with people looking at us like vampires"

[torn zinc]

Umm nope! these are my client's OCs and I drew them based on the details they gave me 😉

I really liked the way you gave your feedback and seeing your feedback truly made my day 😍
I 'm very happy and I’ll definitely think carefully about the points you said 💞

[junior oyster]

Nice art as usual but I'm unsure if the guy is supposed to be silver the hedgehog or goku 😂

[stoic warren]

Reminds me of deviantart, but as a fellow artist, I have to say that your shading is kinda flat. But anyway, looks pretty good. 🙂

[torn zinc]

Thanks Zana ❣️

[stuck fossil]

Can one learn this power (peep the skill bar)

[pine basalt]

@stuck fossil and what do you think about an MTX Skin for ZOMBIES (the one that explode) ::

[stuck fossil]

As long as they scream “LOOK AT ME” every time you spawn them

[sweet blade]

Nice cut.

:p

[pine basalt]

New Frozen Sentinel Video : this has another meaning in french ; )))

Would read "God of Disappointment" ;O

but "Disappointment" doesn't suit FrozenSentinel nore Runemaster !

[sweet blade]

It's not a bad video, and the build hilarious.

[pine basalt]

It can't be a bad video, seeing who created it !

[sweet blade]

@covert summit Agreed. 🙂

[covert summit]

I hope it isn't a disappointment xd

[sweet blade]

It's very innovative, and I love the concept of Focus as a Main skill. 🙂

I'll probably try it once I get the items.

Also, thank you for representing CoF.

[stuck fossil]

Has anyone ever told you that you sound a lot like the casually explained guy

[sweet blade]

He has a very pleasant voice.

[covert summit]

I'll take that as a compliment, guy has pog vids

[sweet blade]

I get my LE news from you now mainly because of your voice.

And I guess I know what you say is from the CoF mindset.

[last cedar]

I was wondering will woven be a separate thing or will it be part of the COF and MG?

[sweet blade]

Separate and additional.

[last cedar]

sweet

[tough merlin]

Hello there, sorry i'm beginner at the game, but does the Clan choice applies to all characters ?

[sweet blade]

No. Character by character, if you mean Circle of Fortune vs. Merchant's Guild

[tough merlin]

Yup

Thanks !

[sweet blade]

No problem; glad to help. 🙂

[tough merlin]

Which one would you recommend ?

I think i'd prefer Circle of fortune but i heard it was extremely hard to get gear from it

[sweet blade]

I'm not a good person to ask as I ONLY do Circle of Fortune.

[tough merlin]

Are you happy with it ? haha

[sweet blade]

Of course I am. That doesn't mean I know if you'd be happier doing MG. Have you played PoE(1 or 2)?

[last cedar]

Based on what I’ve seen COF seems like a good choice if you like grinding for gear

[tough merlin]

Yup, both

[sweet blade]

Do you participate in the economy?

[tough merlin]

No

lmao

[sweet blade]

Then you probably want to do CoF.

[tough merlin]

Alright!

[pine basalt]

My FIRST is an animal that go Bzzz Bzzzz
My SECOND is a drink that act like "Catnip for English People"
My LAST can be found under the ground (in mines)

Who / What am I ?

[last cedar]

My stability is full what happens now?

Still learning endgame

[sweet blade]

Do the timeline story quests at the left.

[stuck fossil]

Found a cute little solo crafting/survival game, Crashlands 2, pretty fun.

[last cedar]

Ohhh gotcha after I do em it resets?

[sweet blade]

Playing Survival games to survive until LE release... how meta. 🙂

[stuck fossil]

Couldnt live without him

[sweet blade]

That completes the timeline and allows you to go to the next one.

[sweet blade]

Resetting the Echo Web for a Timeline requires fighting the Shade of Orobyss, as I recall.

[last cedar]

Wow gotcha thank you

[sweet blade]

No problem. Glad to help.

[stuck fossil]

When you die it leaves a whacky inflatable tube man

[stuck fossil]

he's evolved

[sweet blade]

Bulbasaur or die. 🙂

[stuck fossil]

i do have a little lightning creature i named Poobachu

[sweet blade]

Only Bulbasaur! 🙂

[stuck fossil]

he is pretty great

[sweet blade]

Heh. I know next to nothing about Pokemon, by choice. 🙂

[last cedar]

I beat the boss unlock lvl 62 areas im wondering now do i just move on or try to finish my lvl 58 area now? when should i move on

[sweet blade]

Generally, pushing farther as fast as you can is what people do.

[last cedar]

I think the main reason why im addicted to endgame right now because compared to poe 2 loot is actually dropping.... crazy

COF combined with woven is going be nuts

[pine summit]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1X9dBY1EU1 skateboard

[pine summit]

adoreable pug type face

[crisp onyx]

feels good till you reach plateu

and you reach it rather quickly

[fierce moth]

(I'm bored)

but reduce the size of square let the render look better on composition indeed, learnt a new lesson

[vagrant topaz]

Bored not boring 😅

I hope

[last cedar]

lame does 1.2 fixes this problem? seems like it could

[crisp onyx]

i hope it is, and from what i heard it should

[amber vault]

Chat of ActionRPG wants to go out with Judd

🙂

[fierce moth]

I don't know what it mean

Aaron want to have a date?

[amber vault]

Twitch streamer polled his chat, they prefer Judd over Jonathan of GGG

[fierce moth]

lol what the hell is that...

Johnathan have done another podcast?

👀 Three podcasts are happening in poe 2 twitch page. I'm appreciated game vibe is so density and thick in US and Europe sometimes... Similar things are rare and luxury in China

[fierce moth]

Hiya video file support on Twitter and bluesky is too terrible...

[crisp onyx]

you have to give it to them, they are fast when its burning

[stuck fossil]

Do you live in china?

Sorry if too personal of a question

[sweet blade]

Enh, I'm about 2 steps away from refusing to listen to any content creator that gives Jonathan any time to speak.

[graceful surge]

i love the new GOG Galaxy 2.0, they said if you cant beat them join them all into you

[narrow token]

GOG has a new update?

[graceful surge]

https://www.gog.com/galaxy

brings all your games, friend lists, messaging, achievements everything from all the other launchers into theirs

its like the Pidgin of game launchers

[narrow token]

I knew you could bring your games there, but the feature hadn't worked for me in quite a while (years). At least for certain other DRM platforms like Ubisoft Connect. Did they ever fix that?

[graceful surge]

idk i dont have any ubisoft stuff, ive only done steam

i was more excited about having Steam friendslist and IM, with GGGs low prices and no DRM, perfect mix

[narrow token]

Yeah Ubisoft still doesn't work. RIP.

[fierce moth]

Yeah.
Chinese, no job, want to be an professional 3d environment artist, in a poor and toxic family, likes voxelart, explored different art style in 4 years without any help.

That's me.

The life just cruel.

Keep creating sounds easy but it's quite hard to execute exactly.

Just know environment artists in game industry will co-op with concept artists and level designers so they don't need to worry about what should they do.

Dreamy.

[tawny sand]

have you consider releasing asset packs for indie devs? I don't know if that's possible with the tools you use, and you'd probably need to lower the amount of voxels so it runs smoothly but yeah. I wouldn't know how to go about it or how you do it though lol

or how to go about licensing and stuff

[fierce moth]

That's how I get money from Patreon. So the issue I'm afraid more is how to receive my money. Chinese payment is limited so hard on international platforms.

[fierce moth]

lol I hope Judd don't angry with that.

(A bit fun to test how to place letters in a scene)

Still thinking a way to insert last epoch logo to temporal sanctum

🤔 This layout looks more cool

ok perfect layout.

I'm glad to design an urna for Shtrek before now because his soul can be part of le soon :)

[fierce moth]

emmmmmmmmmmmm god no idea for that at all because I just want to be alive...

[fierce moth]

I see how to make my consume finally.

Yeah. Denmark. Voxel art. Lego. That's all in my dream.

I want to live in Demark since I'm 14.

I love lego master Australian version the best.

[abstract karma]

and you want work under big company like Lego as do exactly what ? Being slave which making legos parts for bigger box ? (if it isn't automated process already) ?

With your creativity i think there could be other career paths for you

[fierce moth]

emmmm I need to type why I want to join in lego and what can I bring to lego yeah

They can give me Danish visa, Danish credit card and Danish phone number at least

[maiden widget]

They only have designers the rest is basically automated - heard it's 2 people in one factory the rest is automated

They employ plenty of designers though

[sweet blade]

NOLH conversation continuing here for anyone who cares.

[fierce moth]

Handara gate on Bali island looks interesting 🤔

[fierce moth]

Emmmm 神奇宝贝大湿？

I don't know this uper, I'm surprised I can watch a video on bilibili here

[pine summit]

https://fxbilibili.seria.moe/video/BV1BBo7YFEdG
further crazy space stuff

[pine summit]

tower of fantasy 5.0 update, the chinese server is just a month ahead

so you can see the stuff in advance

but i just picked the vid at random i dont know the uploader's usual content etc

[fierce moth]

yeah he uploaded this video 2h ago and he marked prohibit to retweet this video 🤭

🤔 Alright paper girl's power is out of my box

[graceful surge]

you made this?

why dont you do commissions?

build your portfolio, and can start asking for higher and higher prices until you find a job

[fierce moth]

Because no commissions available

[graceful surge]

youve tried listing on sites like fiverr?

[abstract karma]

Too much fun service these days in games..

Gacha inspiration is too strong

[fierce moth]

oh? Thanks, never hear this platform. wow... Lots of categories...

[fierce moth]

🫡 Waiting the result.

Be casually, I like cv system on international webs support you upload your resume in .jpg because I can diy the layout and background I like on my cv to build the own style. That's quite boring to fill regular questions then generate a cv automatically. Oh yeah, it require me must upload my portrait but I dislike myself (hate to expose in front of lens) in fact so I dislike this requirement. Yeah that's what Chinese apps will do.

[abstract karma]

🫡

[stuck fossil]

could be a great opportunity for you!

[vapid junco]

craving for an old school arpg rn
yall know anything like arcuz

[vagrant topaz]

@dark herald Lets just move here

[dark herald]

suresure

[vagrant topaz]

Because we are about to talk about other game than LE

[dark herald]

heresy

So, is "the Vision" what the negative review influx is about?

[vagrant topaz]

So yeah POE2 is trying to be slower, and more methodical in its combat

Its still needs a ton of work

But it might be a good game for you eventually

Also , No Rest for the Wicked ?

Halfway between ARPG and Soulslike

[dark herald]

My biggest concern with any arpg that isn't last epoch, is build variety. I love how I can pick up a skill in le and read through trees and come up with something. Plus, having exactly 5 skills specialized means you aren't just doing a 1 button build like poe1 and what grim dawn always seems to turn into. But.. it's still an arpg, and still revolves around making 1 broken combo and running with it, which inherently makes emergent gameplay kinda non-existent.

[vagrant topaz]

Agree

[dark herald]

Even dot in le is just kinda hit but different flavour. Things still drop dead after I press my button on them, the difference is negligible in practice.

I'll look at no rest

But ye, I love last epoch's skill trees and systems, only sub-skills infuriate me, I just want the gameplay to not bore me maybe. Season 2 allowing un-empowered moniliths to be shared will be absolutely huge for my enjoyment of the game because I can atleast properly change the buttons I'm pressing without needing to go through that slog 20 times.

[vagrant topaz]

only sub-skills infuriate me
???

[dark herald]

They are so inconsistent. Sometimes they scale off of the tree of the skill that procced them, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they do specify, sometimes they don't. (fire aura, burning daggers apparently)

[vagrant topaz]

Yeah

I wish they were clearer about that

[dark herald]

The wording in general also tends to be innacurate or confusing. Like spark charges say they explode in an area around the target. Why specify "around the target"? All that does is make me assume it only damages around the target, but not the target itself.

Sometimes a skill that proccs is an entirely different skill you can specialize, this seems to mean as a rule that it doesn't apply the tree of the first skill, but nowhere does it specify this. I don't actually think there's any way to know if a move is a specializable move, or a subskill, without looking at the skill screen to check.

[dark herald]

So, I get PoE2 is slower, but does it actually have a reason to use more than 1 approach to things? Any mechanic that would encourage you to use a different skill based on the situation, not just whichever skill you have does the most damage? (Or buffs your primary skill to make it do more damage, that's still not interesting and just adds an extra button to your "move")

[twilit mountain]

It is supposed to but it currently fails to do that because the balancing is kind of atrocious

[dark herald]

Okay, i'll watch it cautiously. Still very unsure cause poe1 was literally everything i dislike about argps. Maybe I just need to learn to "segment" my enjoyment. Last Epoch for pure building and grind, Elden Ring (reforged mod) for action and emergent gameplay, and PF2e for careful tactics and variety of play styles.

[twilit mountain]

PoE2 and PoE1 are quite different. Whether positive or negative will depend on your perception. To me there's both, some things are a good difference, some things are a terrible difference, and some things could be good with the slightest tweak that they're being stubborn about.

[sweet blade]

I'd say that PoE2 is meant to be balanced around combo play. I don't think it hits it. (In fact, I think it's a colossal design failure.) But you generally just use one combo.