💬┃general

[simple bison]

(no shade to frozen it's a great video lol)

[short vessel]

and even then

[stable shoal]

I thought last epoch it was supposed to be for casual and grinders

[short vessel]

it still takes a bit of thinking and logic to figure out how you need to do the imprints

[stable shoal]

This 1.4 is bye grinders hello casuals

[west ivy]

folks

I don't know how to say this

[stable shoal]

Now I have to grind so much more to what arrive same thing nah

[dull topaz]

haha all the casuals "carry me through uber" "can't sorry bro got 500 more troves for this 1 imprint"

[west ivy]

but regardless of how hard it is to get an item to slam onto another

[frank bramble]

No way I'm carrying their asses if they are the main audience

[west ivy]

getting the LP3~4 you want to receive that slam is already insane

[simple bison]

(depends on item)

[west ivy]

this is like, be free, accept that you won't have the absolute perfect build

[short vessel]

to be fair, this doesn't really change the unique farming i did lol

[stable shoal]

I am doing 800 uber this week and honestly just lost any enjoyment for the game

[frank bramble]

If grinders are supposed to be punished for everything then yeah, I will pretend I don't see those requests so they will also suffer as we are

[west ivy]

it's like dang my build absolutely needs a perfect 4LP null portent to work

[short vessel]

i mean, i agree that jellal is being just massively overdramatic crying about triple T7's

[west ivy]

what're those odds? 1 in 135 million? dang

[simple bison]

Nah it's 50/50

You either get it or you don't

[short vessel]

but i don't think it's unreasonable to talk about how the farm for going past single T7 is kinda nuts now

[stable shoal]

Your build its going to use a 1 lp by the looks of it go try the corr let me know how many it took to sacrifice to julra and corr to get your desired corruption,and let's say you got your desired tier affix yeah too😅

[west ivy]

accept imperfection

[waxen slate]

Imperfection to your standard and expectations

Some people just want more

Simple as that

[stable shoal]

I should kept all my 1 lps since thats what it looks like ehg wants me to use

[simple bison]

Honestly I'm happy slamming a single T7 with the rest being T5 most of the time. Only if there're two affixes that have a huge impact on my performance on a single item will I go for a multi exalt slam

[waxen slate]

And people that strife for more just got kneecapped

While trying to run a marathon

[stable shoal]

There is a difference big time on t5 and t7

[simple bison]

Why can you only slam a 77 on a 2lp

[stable shoal]

A t7 health is 39% a t5 is what 18 maybe

[simple bison]

Why is a 75 no good lol

[short vessel]

if it was single T7 + T5's + eventually hit desireable corruption

[stable shoal]

Common cyborg

[short vessel]

i'd be fine

[simple bison]

Yep

[short vessel]

but that 3rd bit

is just not really on the cards

[simple bison]

Yeah I'm not about to say getting the right corrupted affix with the right tier is gonna happen lul

On a 2lp+ that is

[stable shoal]

You hit the slam ok now corrupt and hope one of the 50-80 affix you can hit is the one you want

[simple bison]

That's something that might be reserved for 1lp for me personally

[west ivy]

I think the idea is that there's more of a critical mass of gear that lets you get to doing all content instead of one path that is already riddled with absolutely insane odds

[simple bison]

But that's only If there's an enabling corrupted affix I really want

[stable shoal]

And this is the problem so 2 lp items that are not crap uniwues that are too easy too common aint good anymore

[west ivy]

so you just corrupt something weaker and hope

[simple bison]

Like if a 1lp corrupted item is better than a 2lp of the same item I'll just do 1lp until I hit it

Then I'll go to 2lp

[stable shoal]

Don't forget the exalts for said uniques runes of havoc and such

[simple bison]

I mean it's still just more power

[stable shoal]

The exalts are going to be such a bottleneck more than what they are

[simple bison]

Not sure what we're complaining about. We can't have the same crazy items we used to have plus a straight up extra affix? I mean duh? Xd

[stable shoal]

So the answer is to go back to beta and have 1t7 gear every where

Seems kinda garbo where lp progression

[simple bison]

If theres a corrupted affix that's better than another lp why not

I don't get why it's a bad thing

[stable shoal]

Corruption its about having something amazing and making it more amazing

Now its well no to 3 lps and 2 lps also no

[simple bison]

I feel like you had an expectation for corruption and are disappointed that it's different. Not that it's bad

[waxen slate]

Well for people that play legacy and have slammed 2t7 or 3t7 everywhere is not gonna grind 1lp slams lol

[stable shoal]

Cause I can sacrifice many 2 lps crab ring but where I am getting the exalts cause imprints aint dropping

[simple bison]

Like did we really expect it to be reasonable to get a 3lp slammed unique and then have an extra corrupted affix on top? How quick do we want to reach D3 numbers

[waxen slate]

And why would they sacrifice 3t7 successfull slams for corrupted affixes that can ruin a progression they now can’t achieve again

[stable shoal]

I expected ehg to not add multiple tier of rng while also nerfing what players had to fight said system I hope its not hard to understand

[dull topaz]

In future when a core mechanic is up for a change maybe they could least put it out there for alternative ideas than just fkn "lets cripple it" - a poll, a thread with alternate ideas or 3 proposed amounts, just straight up butchered isn't cool

[stable shoal]

Or can you explain to me cyborg why corruption has to have tiers also is that good?

[simple bison]

Yeah I definitely don't disagree. The nerf might've even been too much like I said (I'm not sure)

[frank bramble]

Yeah, they wanted to fill out some idiotic surveys yet didn't ask a word about such an important change

[simple bison]

Nah that I don't like personally

[stable shoal]

Thats seems completely unnecessary and pointless more rng for nonreason

[dull topaz]

I think with the risk of an actual unusable item in LE then corruptions lowest Tier should not be 1. If unusable wasn't an option then maybe 5, but since it is 7 lol

[stable shoal]

Who the heck gives them feedback i hope its not something maxroll wannabe or something

[simple bison]

Yeah I don't disagree

I think landing a tier 1 corrupted affix being a thing is bad

[waxen slate]

Should be just tier 7, at worst t6/t7

[dull topaz]

risk/reward is always a thing but when risk outweighs reward by like 95% to 5% then naaaah

[stable shoal]

I woke up today read stuff and was like f nice supposed to do 150 ubers likr yeah nah

[frank bramble]

I'm wondering too

[stable shoal]

Do you think this is set in stone cause knowing ehg i doubt it will be changed

[waxen slate]

Who got access to these test servers people have been talking about? What input do they have?

[simple bison]

No clue

[frank bramble]

Some clueless people I assume

[stray fiber]

We can corrupt with 0 fp right?

Forge potential

[frank bramble]

Yes

[waxen slate]

Or are these test people just same guys wanna rush out meta 1lp/2lp builds and comeback next season?

[stray fiber]

So we can mirror before corruption

[stable shoal]

Like after maxroll and others where leaking new season in 1.1 ,ehg basically got rid of their QA stuff and now it feels like they just wing it

[dull topaz]

Not sure man, hope so otherwise idols are gonna need FP added to them lol

[stable shoal]

I like raxxanterax ok but guy just did a wannabe bear build for new season played it and after 1 week he done I feel like we should have more a say

[mortal tinsel]

So cof dead?

[stable shoal]

Since we keeping game alive when its dead

[mortal tinsel]

Anyone who bought the tucan were the last blood cells of a dying beast

[steep river]

this was the original post for it https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/community-tester-program/49111

[frank bramble]

I had a friend who tried getting into their QA team, he was a huge grinder in 1.2 and they rejected him xD maybe too much experience is also bad idk

Just gather a group of clueless casuals and call it a day

[stray fiber]

There was another game close, bad timing

[stable shoal]

Already lost 1 guy on my troves group and I dont think I will play this season either thr amount of extra rng they just slapped on us feels bad

[steep river]

it was changed and content creators aren't apart of it anymore https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/changes-to-the-community-tester-program/78345

[stable shoal]

Poe still would been same

[mortal tinsel]

There obv more interested in giga endgame, because most players don't lp slam to begin with

[waxen slate]

Corruption on idols only have one tier right, why not just apply that to gear pieces too?

[frank bramble]

Yeah that's gonna be me with my tropical steel falcon lol oh well rip

[waxen slate]

If we can’t chase imprints, high lp slams at least give some hope too corr slams

[mortal tinsel]

I'll play about 20 hours of my zoorid and call it a day

[stable shoal]

Oh look I am playing mage i have 1 lp t7 red ring 16 int perfect stats oh look I have other but let me corrupt 57 corrupted affix to go through let's say i hit right one oh look its t1 spell damage nice I feel amazing🤣

[signal mica]

Is it March 25th yet?

[stray fiber]

I like how EHG improves loot filters every league.
Also import/export from 3rd party sites in few clicks is impressive too.

[stable shoal]

Going from 9% increase mana to 21% increase on chest piece, or i think staff 2 mana t1 to 5 mana per attunment like idk man why they doing us dirty ,its massive improvement

[signal mica]

The loot filter, minions, are two reasons why I bought the game and enjoy it so much

If poe2 had good minions I'd be playing that

[stable shoal]

I mean poe 2 has good minions

[frosty ridge]

poe 2 HAD good minions

[signal mica]

Lol

[stray fiber]

Yep

[signal mica]

Perhaps depends what you use and how, but not fun for me

[waxen slate]

Just created more layers of rng, one harder then the other

[signal mica]

I wanted to enjoy raging spirits and zombies like poe1 but its a freaking chore

[waxen slate]

The new echo chains and omen drops better raise some eyebrows

[signal mica]

For sure

Sure they will and it looks good

[frosty ridge]

that build in poe 2 0.1 was amazing

[frank bramble]

Loot filter for loot that's not going to drop, yuge

[signal mica]

Meh

[frank bramble]

Can't deny that fact tho, at least loot filters are getting love

[stray fiber]

I prefer 0 items on ground vs rain of dogshit piles of loot

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah +1

[signal mica]

Lol

[waxen slate]

Looking forward to not being able to experience the new loot beams. The color looked vibrant and clean on the picture!

[signal mica]

Or you make a mistake in your loot filter and miss items you actually needed for 10 hours of grinding... like my idiot self

[frank bramble]

Don't worry you won't miss them now since they won't drop

[signal mica]

We shall see

I've grinded diablo II for days not finding what I want, I'll survive

[stable shoal]

Loot in ground in this game is crap so gl with gearing

For 1 lp sure after that its very rough

[frank bramble]

Pretty much this

[stable shoal]

I gotten in 2400 hours only 1 3t7 item and honestly I think it came from a lootlizard and not a natural dropped

[signal mica]

I really like the nemesis and lizards

[stable shoal]

Meanwhile imprint nemesis gave me the 4t7 and 3t7 I have

[signal mica]

Ya wow lot of hours

Have you written a review for the game?

[waxen slate]

Nemesis is was ok until I did 261 Uber straight and still suffer with 0lp items that I need to rush conq towers with, 5+ pages to go

[stable shoal]

I love the game it genuinely comes from there but man I am extremely disappointed in ehg even more than when all thr paid classes and krafton crap came out

[signal mica]

Well what can you do

Diablo II released warlock cool, bjt they locked QoL behind it

Rather play project diablo 2

Im okay with paying for a class

I was more disappointed no Xbox announced

But it will come after

[stable shoal]

The only reason why I defend the row expansion for Diablo 2 is that it means it can get updated

So sure sucks having to buy it for qol but if they actually work on it at least it will be more enjoyable like I can't play online I need a mod for inventory management for me its too tight in d2

[signal mica]

Sure but definitely think for me modders deserve my support when it comes to that game

I still am not sure what I'm starting my goodness

Want to go fire minion necro... seems like fun hopefully get some bees along the way.

[brittle jay]

falconer dead sadly...

[south marsh]

People are still complaining here about the gear drops? And I saw only one person write an actual feedback in the proper channel

[stable shoal]

You think feedback is being listened that much i doubt it

[south marsh]

So ur just gonna cry about it without even trying?

[zenith pewter]

am i missing something? they nerf imprint proc 50% less often, why are people acting like the chance is now 0?

[south marsh]

Write a proper well constructed feedback with your points of concern and it might get someone listening don't just cry like a baby

[stable shoal]

Crying how about you go an leave something there if you feel it does something

[zenith pewter]

i mean doing troves this season, the imprint proc in like 6-7 troves maps, now we gotta do 12-14, what's the problem?

[stable shoal]

Cause I dont know what testing ehg did with this changes

[stable shoal]

Its not a 50% nerf its more than that

[south marsh]

I don't see you making any sensible argument to my point you could've written an essay about your thoughts in the time u've been crying here

[simple bison]

Guys keep it civil

[stable shoal]

You are the only one talking like this i suggest you to move along

Crying is what my little brother would say

[south marsh]

So any counter argument to your point and the sensible approach to a solution is wrong?

I'm sorry to challenge your actions

[signal mica]

Rest with Jesus Christ Chuck Norris!

[waxen slate]

Why would he spend time arguing with someone who comes here to “watch people mald”. And play no more then 2 months a season, tops?

[signal mica]

Does discord need an arena thread?

[south marsh]

Arguing is not an issue if he had taken the time to actually write a feedback beforehand

[waxen slate]

You arguing something u never bother or care to experience, he will have a more productive time talking to a wall then you

[signal mica]

I do agree though make sure you let EHG know, forums, here, if you spend the time playing your experiences are worth sharing positive or negative or worries and cares and such

[south marsh]

Thank you so much for this sensible statement

[waxen slate]

They do know, look every forum, Reddit, YouTube

It’s well out there

[south marsh]

But do they know your own thoughts?

[signal mica]

Yes no doubt

[waxen slate]

It’s not a minority opinion

[south marsh]

But it looks like a minority since so little ppl actually write it down

In an actually productive way

I'm not stopping you from voicing concerns I'm just telling you to write them in the proper place

[stable shoal]

I usually try to not engage in conversation with people who say crying a lot since it seems very juvenile and immature,rather we move along since general chat its likr this a lot you will never see this people on the classes chat 🤦

[dull topaz]

I already wrote them on the forums under feedback

feel free to up vote 😛

[south marsh]

Well done that's the proper way respect

[signal mica]

I will check the forums see what's going on!

[flat pagoda]

Seeing patch note changes, not only imprint buffs, but also corruption affixes, and new sets, I am really afraid that this be a season of 'corrupted red rings'. If we can't get good 2lp ring of other kind with slams, people will just optimize their builds around 1lp red rings with corruption on them

and this will apply to any strong, high lpl uniques

instead of experimenting with items, people will settle for reliable, strong 1lp with corruption

[south marsh]

The RNG stacking is bad for gear optimization I agree but since I'm not really an endgame farmer it wouldn't really affect me but I can see the issue so ppl should still give their feedback

[signal mica]

My goodness the forum is not fun to explore on my phone

[stable shoal]

At least all the 3 lp and 2 lp rares like shattered worlds will be collecting dust this season for the looks like

[dull topaz]

I gave all my 2lps away cos i dont want the brick rage to go with it lol

[signal mica]

Perhaps the endgame echo chains will help with gear

[south marsh]

I think it'll be similar to the corruption crafting in poe

God knows how much RNG there is in poe crafting

There's also the slam crafting in pd2

So the concept is not new

[signal mica]

Yep

[toxic schooner]

how hard did flay lich get hit?

was it just the boots?

[gilded juniper]

would the conversion bugs in the build planner translate to the game? sometimes I find out that it does and I hope that's not the case.

the new weaver set supposed to give mods on weaver weapon 50% increase but it doesn't seem to affect clotho's needle.

[broken trench]

unlikely

[gilded juniper]

lets hope so. i'm still traumatized from when i found a bug in the build that translated to the game because the build planner pulls directly from the game itself. so they share some of the same code.

[zealous siren]

I just hope they are gona backtrack on that. I mean they can still nerf imprints in 1.5 after implementing a different farming strategy. But it seems they dont want aspirational gear anymore..

[ancient surge]

My strategy for corrupting uniques such as shattered worlds would be to maybe make a few LP1 of those that I would want to use (slam on that one affix I need), start corrupting until I hit a good corruption and then maybe work on getting/making a 2LP one.
Should I drop a 2LP one, I'd still slam it, but 33% chance to hit the 2nd affix doesn't usually treat me kindly :p So chances are, 2 desired affixes ain't gonna happen, but 1 desired and 1 corrupt may actually have a higher success rate?

[gilded juniper]

i thought corrupt means no more modification afterwards?

oh nvm i read that wrong lol

basically corrupt a 1lp, then when you're happy with that, you try to corrupt a 2lp item.

the basic strategy

[languid rover]

I'll have so much to learn at the start of season, I don't even know what corrupting items is

[ancient surge]

I see the panic around about the lowering of drop rates as a consequence of proposed changes, but I have a sort of different perspective:
I play an LE season about 1 week, give or take a day or two and I used to play PoE seasons for about 2 weeks in the recent past at a similar rate of playing and 1 character at a time, so very similar setups.
I get the whole player retention thing part of the game. For me, if it still feels good to grind a little longer, I won't mind a few more days to my time per character. Yes, it is more play time per character, but if you can pace yourself out, you probably still have plenty of time to squeeze in alts throughout the, uh... smaple season time?

[gilded juniper]

corrupting means adding 1 random mod, at the cost of not being able to modify that item ever again.

[ancient surge]

Exactly

It means a chance to add 1 mod, really.

Unless you ruin the item, you can use the failed corrupt to reroll another one's affixes.

[gilded juniper]

oh wut, there's a chance that you can't add mods?

[languid rover]

Not sure what that is either or how to even do it but if I figure it out, I might do it on my legacy char

I just barely scraping what weavers and beasts are

[lucid herald]

It either adds a corrupted mod, it rerolls the base into a corrupted base, a couple of other meh outcomes, or it explodes the item making it unequippable

[ancient surge]

I have ample experience from PoE with corrupting items :p LE is vastly more lenient.

[languid rover]

So , it's not a good idea to try it on my 2LP perfect slam frostbite shackles if I got nothing else to use ?

[lucid herald]

Yeah thats true, there's only one outcome that results in you not being able to put that item back on

[lucid herald]

I would wait until you get a second pair xd

[gilded juniper]

with the new weavers set, clotho's needle has the potential to become the STRONGEST weapon in the game.

[lucid herald]

Meet Potential Item!

• 0 useful affixes
• 0 dps
• 7 tiers of chance to chill

[gilded juniper]

160 base weapon, (t7 melee+T7melee %+penetration+corruption)x1.5

[languid rover]

Well, it's a legacy char after all, so might as well try, since I'm planning on doing a new season char from scrap

[lucid herald]

if you like then

[languid rover]

I'll just have to figure out how

[ancient surge]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-shattered-omens-patch-notes/80571/2

[languid rover]

Is it something to do with the uh, "new" bosses at the end of timelines after you kill the standard boss?

[ancient surge]

Within that is the detail on corruption

[languid rover]

I'll check that out thanks

[lucid herald]

Every Omen Window you clear will drop one

[ancient surge]

Under runes of corruption and corrupted items

[gilded juniper]

i wonder if a corruption mod on a legendary count as a legendary affix. it's an affix, AND it's on a legendary item. please don't GGG this up!!!

[ancient surge]

4th bullet point after picture are the generic outcomes.

So, yes. We have several outcomes and only one of them is adding an affix and only a chance of a corruption-specific affix.
My strategy is more around 2LP shattered worlds being vastly rarer than the plethora of 1LPs, particularly using nemmy eggs. Even if this season I egg'd a 2LP shattered worlds and failed the slam.

And it's only an example. It's more on the side of if moving up one LP on the gear piece you want has a better chance of rolling a good affix via corruption, I'd consider it.

I'm sure there are many ways to approach, but this is my personal one.

We don't have the % chances for the outcomes at present. As in, if the 5 categories of outcomes are equally likely to boot.

[languid rover]

I read it and to me it just sounds like a load of bull for minimal gains

😂

[ancient surge]

And the categories are also of a positive and negative outcome too, so...6 categories (technically 7, depending on how affix rerollong works), really.

[languid rover]

Imagine getting that big triple t7 perfect item just for it to become inequipable or the affixes decide to disintegrate

[ancient surge]

Thing is, you can slam many 1 LPs and you can build up a stock of good ones semi-easily in general.

[languid rover]

For generic uniques sure

[ancient surge]

Some uniques are common enough that you can create many 2LP slammed that you can corrupt.

Yeah, it's a matter of you deciding if the risk is worth it.

[languid rover]

For boss specific, not really, especially the ones with abysmal drop rates

I was crying tears of blood when I dropped my first 1LP heart of ukeiros

[ancient surge]

Well, it's a mechanic. I'm not about to start writing out a guide for how to use it, just in general: Use your judgement.

[languid rover]

And then hit the slam too first try

[ancient surge]

I could pull up my pic of slamming T7 mana on an orions's eye ammy in season 1. Back before we could choose an affix.

[languid rover]

Took me 27 boss kills to get a single one, I still remember the pain of grinding it

[ancient surge]

At what corruption?

[languid rover]

You can choose slams now? 😂

[ancient surge]

One affix, yes. Starting from sanctum tier 2, since season 2.

[languid rover]

Damn

That's a good thing

[ancient surge]

Ah, I gather you have not been around the last 2 seasons, then?

[languid rover]

No, I involuntarily quit somewhere at the end of s1

Iam playing frostbite frostclaw runemaster , and it's very weak now , unlike back then

But it might have to do with all the new stuff I don't have unlocked/leveled too

I had no trouble doing 1500+ corruption back then even with my semi-bad gear, now I get one tapped even on 500

[willow sentinel]

Good morning travelers

[stuck frigate]

PS5 Version ? when?

[silent pivot]

we don't know, probably not until early 2027

[south moat]

Gm

[ancient surge]

Had to go ingest breakfast, but the game has evolved quite the bit since then. We had a corruption rework, a sort of rebalancing of the curve as it were, since EHG does not nerf wontonly, but they do tweak the difficulty and scaling.

I never really tried frost claw properly back then and then the rest of history came along.

In fact, as per the patch notes for season 4, we are getting monster tweaks that are meant to make the early campaign easier, but late game harder. Several notes on more health, more damage, more frequency of skill usage at level 100. (since corruption goes on top and just scales the level 100 stats by corruption)

[willow sentinel]

Me on Thursday

[ancient surge]

Looks like me on a good day. Typically unrepresentable in the form of white.

[simple bison]

Why is it so deep fried lol

[willow sentinel]

Idk

I have issues with gif here

[lucid herald]

i have absolutely no problem with making the game harder for what its worth

i feel like the LE community in general has always been straight up allergic to difficulty but if you want longevity in endgame it has to also be hard

[willow sentinel]

No, we need an infinite flow of 3-4lp and 3-4 t7

[lucid herald]

i remember when the monolith rework came out and every single person was freaking out over how OP and impossible rahyeh was

xdd

[balmy arrow]

[kind latch]

Can we not bottleneck the crafting system in the process? Make the Ubers more uberish. Add higher tiered content. Make the game harder in that fashion. The introduction of more rng-based means to brick items while concurrently reducing the materials to make the items is a sloppy move imo.

[lucid herald]

I have no issue with making loot more scarce. I preferred the game before imprints existed. They're still in the game, but won't overcentralise the loot grind. It's a healthier game state.

[silent pivot]

my main problem with imprints is how they encourage degenerate gameplay (endlessly opening boxes...) -- they should really just be able to drop from anywhere; as in: you just play the game however you like, and imprints eventually drop

[lucid herald]

People hate rift beasts because of a bugged mechanic and the fact that they are never going to give you imprinted items

If imprints are less efficient then it might encourage you to actually do other things

[kind latch]

I disagree. It's seasonal. It all goes away anyway. And I've done everything. Minmaxing is all that is left.

[silent pivot]

imagine if you were a dungeon or arena enjoyer and could actually see imprints drop at a reasonable rate while doing either of those things, instead of whatever we're calling the current state

[lucid herald]

This is absolutely the main issue with them. I dont mind dropping them from champions, because champions are hard enough and plentiful enough to make even a rare imprint drop feel like a nice every-so-often bonus. But getting imprints deterministically from boxes just means you feel like a chump for doing anything else but boxes

[kind latch]

And who the hell are you to define what's degenerate play?

[silent pivot]

a person that plays the game? you're free to disagree with my opinion

I don't see this as an "opening boxes simulator" though

[lucid herald]

Do you know what degenerate gameplay means from a technical POV? It means "a gameplay loop which is so simple and repeatable as to be the only optimal way to tackle a problem". And box farming for imprints absolutely degenerates the gear grind because it is the single best way to get exactly what you want

[kind latch]

I trust you understand a reason for playing the unboxing game?

[silent pivot]

developers generally refer to this sort of thing as "optimizing the fun out of the game"

aka degenerate gameplay

it's not an insult directed towards the player, it's a complaint about the game design

[lucid herald]

It's not insulting people who like farming boxes for imprints to call it a degenerate gameplay loop, but I personally think it's bad design for that to be the only viable way to get BIS gear to the point that it is the answer to all your problems

That is bad for the game's long term health

[silent pivot]

it would be pretty dumb for me to call those specific players anything insulting, because I'm one of them

I've opened a lot of boxes

doesn't mean I have to like that it's optimal

[lucid herald]

I really like the weaver tree for everything aside from imprints tbh. The ability to juice echoes, target specific mechanics, the woven echo stuff, it's all really fun and enjoyable

[ancient surge]

Now, mind that abberoth and uber abberoth and really any woven echo that is NOT scaled by corruption has fixed numbers for everything about them.

[silent pivot]

had to make some tough decisions on my weaver tree to grab the new omen stuff 😭

I wanted memories of the observer and inescapable omens

[ancient surge]

I'd assume that if the patch notes say that they change something about those fixed fights, it means they have been changed. If not, it should mean those are unchanged. So most balancing they do is in terms of echoes and ovrall balanacing for coruption mechanics.

[south moat]

Having fun in my video game?
Not if I can help it

[paper isle]

The new season seems very underwhelming for endgame content? Just a single new encounter and some echo chains?
After a year I expected some more different things to do in the endgame than just running more and more echo's 😴

[ancient surge]

I mention difficulty since it was already rather wonky and the devs are still thinking on how to best work with that. But difficulty matters for us since why are we even grinding for gear in the first place?

[kind latch]

It's just encouraging more degenerate play since degeneracy is inexplicably tied to progression.

[ancient surge]

If you want arpg with content spam, much of which is not necessarily meaningful, there are choices. If you want slow growing, attention to detail, taking in stride, you are here.

[stable shoal]

Idk what you are talking about man do you play a lot

[outer tundra]

Yea... Its main problem 😢

[ancient surge]

Sadly... over 10k hours in the argp genre across maybe... 4 titles?

[stable shoal]

This patch notes were godawful for the game literally all that is recommended for us is to get 1 t7 slams and corr 2 t7 slams nah

Btw have you made a character in last epoch tools

[paper isle]

I just want a year wait for a season to have a years content, this looks just like a 3 month season patch that other arpgs would do
But yes nothing new here, they have always been very slow idk why

[ancient surge]

I look at it this way: Maybe they are after making it harder on us and maybe it makes sense?

[stable shoal]

Its 75 affixes and each has t1 to t7 affix on a chest piece likr in what world is that good design

Cause corruption is all about getting t1 fire resistance ty

[stable shoal]

What's harder Uber will be the same ,you get your character overpowered and kill it

[ancient surge]

Ok, if you have feedback for them directly, there's the good old #feedback channel.

[stable shoal]

Problem is all the step on crafting slamming corr are a lot worse

Nah they have proven 0 regards towards players 0 testing

[ancient surge]

Corruption mechanic has to make some sense, but maybe we had it too good until now?

[outer tundra]

Show me an ARPG where having too many choices doesn't make sense

[stable shoal]

You can write on feedback someone already did and forums and reddit plenty of stuff for them to read

[ancient surge]

PoE. All of it.

[stable shoal]

At least poe has some deterministic crafting this game nah

[paper isle]

Guess I'll maybe just kill aboroth once and then call it a day, no longer buying any packs tho that's for sure

[ancient surge]

Mhmm... I'll stop arguing now. Have fun!

[stable shoal]

In poe 2 at least bring can get idk 13 corr in this game its can get 57

And btw completely useless corruption

[outer tundra]

Cool, so you don't really know how to play PoE, don't understand the economy in general, and how different leagues are used by players, so you call them "meaningless," right?

[outer tundra]

I don't know about packs, but I'll also try to kill the Uber Abberoth on day 1

[stable shoal]

Cause they couldn't bother to make new affixes instead of the good old here fire res,cold ,res here fire and poison together

Why void resistance is a corruption

[paper isle]

I'll kill Uber Uber aboroth on day 0 btw

[stable shoal]

Separate normal stats from it they just copied and paste it

[outer tundra]

[stable shoal]

And added 10 corr per item

I was doing 800 ubers this week for what lmao

[outer tundra]

Which build you wanna use?

Unfortunately, I was only able to kill Uber Sirus on the 2nd day 🙁

[kind latch]

I'm torn. I love the game, but I want to achieve my goals with my builds. I want to play more than one build (and certainly not meta). Non-meta requires better loot and more work. If it becomes a slog of perpetual mid-game, the solution is obvious and that saddens me. I've had a lot of fun the last two seasons.

[stable shoal]

I personally I think its done no cares for players

[outer tundra]

Yeah... Loot degradation without replacement has never been fun

[stable shoal]

You know what baffles me maybe some of you have an answer they went to class affixes on gear and said well Sentinel has idk 60 affixes on chest possible,let's copy and paste those 60 add 15 actual corruption on top of that and here we go the player now has 75 affixes to rng through like who the hell approved this

Oh and tiered corruption like 🤦

How that helps the player

[halcyon sky]

Is LastEpochPlanner something used within the community? i see the repo for it has active development, and im a developer who is looking into contributing to it, but trying to find out if there's competing tools or if there's any more widespread one being used?

not talking about planners, since we got multiple good ones of those, but proper calculation tools?

[stable shoal]

Party play made the game a lot more enjoyable now not even that its gonna fix it since imprints are so bad now

[ancient surge]

Hmm... I'm sure there are plenty of tools out there, but I think letools is the most popular, unless you're talking about a subsection of letools?

[stable shoal]

For calculating the damage we have none and desperately need one to be fair

[halcyon sky]

I'm talking about something like path of building for PoE. so not just showing a build, but calculating the damage of skills

like this one exists: https://github.com/Musholic/LastEpochPlanner

And has active dev time

[stable shoal]

No we dont have that last epoch tools is the best,tunklabs used for other stuff

[ancient surge]

Ah, so an offline / downloadable thing, I see

[halcyon sky]

The point is more about the DPS calculations, not offline vs online

[outer tundra]

It's too crude and doesn't work, unfortunately

[halcyon sky]

atm i see people with big excel files to try to calculate dps 😄

[ancient surge]

I meant the tool itself. LEtools has its own build planner and it does what it can to simulate in-game numbers.

[stable shoal]

Someone some day should maybe make one since calculating damage unless you do offline testing is hard to tell how strong build can be

[kind latch]

Gotta do a lot of your own math. Frozensentinel has a Google workbook with a lot of calculators for widely used skills. I've made a couple calculators in Excel.

[halcyon sky]

I see. Definitely seems like a tool like this gaining more traction would be helpful for a lot of people tbh, instead of multiple different people supporting a few skills each, without import/export functionality etc

[south moat]

I think at some point linking that wasn't allowed here
not sure if it's now

[outer tundra]

https://imgur.com/a/ZuH4VU9 Its not look good... yet

[halcyon sky]

not sure i follow what's this supposed to show, it's just the skill trees? you mean missing skill icons?

[ancient surge]

So, aside from letools' build planner being a little wonky on the interface, it's fully online and has all the necessary functionality, far as I can tell looking at it right now.

You don't have to make your build public.

[outer tundra]

That's it. It doesn't calculate damage or pet stats well. The skill tree and abilities also look clunky

[kind latch]

I like it.

[ancient surge]

That said, I gather there's some... reticence in using lastepochtools for its full functionality and I am curious why?

[halcyon sky]

ye i know it's far from perfect atm, was just trying to get an understanding of the current tool landscape

[outer tundra]

It is also impossible to check the stats of pets under buffs
https://imgur.com/a/ZuH4VU9

[ancient surge]

I suppose if you really want a planner that gives you the DPS number for the whole ordeal, there may be better choices out there...

[outer tundra]

If they finish this and polish it up, then yes, it will be a good analogue of the PoB in PoE, but for now it can't count anything

[halcyon sky]

I don't really have reservations, was just trying to get an understanding (and im a bit biased towards anything pob like, because you can easily see dps improvements per skill point etc)

[ancient surge]

That answers that. letools does not support full DPS calculations outside of a few skills at present and it's been so for a good while. So, it's not that easy to make use of if you don't have a comparison to a build you know the numbers for already.

[wild locust]

I just saw the season 4 overview video. What are you guys thinking of playing ?

[south moat]

Bees

[ancient surge]

I will politely bow out now, since I'm too grizzled to need the full detail deal, I just get my essential information and do my own thing comparative to past experiene anway.

[willow sentinel]

Fire Aura 🔥🔥🔥

[south moat]

Honestly just no idea what I'll play until I get them bees

[ancient surge]

I was also leaning primalist because of bees, to be fair. If I'm going to play primalist first time in history, it better be fun(ny) :p

[south moat]

And farming for the bee idols is gonna feel bad

[south moat]

What could be nicer than the bees

[ancient surge]

bees that explode into beehives that explode into wasps? idk..

[south moat]

Wasps from a beehive? That sounds nasty

Also I remember once having a Last Epoch dream where I had a massive mace with a beehive at the end
I guess I'll be fine with with the one we get

[bold axle]

Just went through the patch notes. This season is looking amazing EHG 🙂

"The Wengari Matriarch and Patriarch have returned from a romantic getaway on the shores of Heorot’s Temple, and now have a much stronger matrimonial bond. They now seek vengeance when their mate is slain and become far more dangerous until slain." This is gonna be some fun rips for those who didn't pay attention

[south moat]

I've already been slammed by the matriarch a few times
Because of me underestimating the leap slam dmg

[zealous veldt]

Hi, does LE have merchandise store?

[south moat]

Not yet

[zealous veldt]

Ok thank you

[zealous veldt]

I will like to get a LE cap 💜

[pine herald]

What about a le 🐝

[severe socket]

For the love of it, give Marksman the love it needs.

It's not even funny anymore.

[south moat]

Honestly I'm surprised that Marksman didn't get stuff

[severe socket]

Eight freaking months...

...sigh.

Even FG has it better at this point, really.

Oh well.

[willow sentinel]

Right the FG buffs

[frank bramble]

Is there any complete incoming mtx list so I might check it out?

Patch notes on a mobile are hell to work with

[willow sentinel]

Hum, I don't think so

[frank bramble]

Damn rip

[willow sentinel]

Yeah couldn't find anything

[ancient surge]

What is a complete incoming mtx list even? All we have for now are the packs specific to the season, but if there's anything more, I don't think we have any info on that.

[frank bramble]

If there's nothing else than the supporter packs then I'll be damned

[ancient surge]

All I'm saying is that we don't know... yet.

Could go #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs and ask them directly?

[frank bramble]

Yeah didn't want to bother Mike, looks I will give it a shot

[lucid herald]

I mean Shadow Rend is a whole new skill for Marksman since it has bow synergy

It looks very strong too

[solemn tusk]

neft edition

[pulsar carbon]

Here's hoping Marksman isn't meh this time, I tried to avoid doing a build with Heartseeker, but it's one of the strongest bow skills, so you practically have to run it.

[stray glen]

It did get stuff, a nerf on mana stacking Detonating Arrow lmao

[willow sentinel]

I feel like a setup that can One shot Uber is fair to get nerfed

[lusty glade]

Yup

Fair game tbh

Would just love to have slightly reduced instead of significantly reduced chance for Weaver on imprints for CoF specifically. Reduced rate is needed tbh.

Or at least to reserve a buff chance for future. Idk not all of us can really play a lot.

[hoary pawn]

If you can do it with no LP, sure.
But if you’ve invested a lot in the build, why?

[pine herald]

Maybe EHG too hyped on giving bladedancer new skills so they ignore marksman lol

The focus 100% on bladedancer in this season

[ancient surge]

Seems par for the course for their history of class balance. Sorc in the waiting room, Shaman outside in the rain.

[lusty glade]

We had builds doing 2k plus corruption, Uber is what 400 corruption minimum. Which means a build around 500-600 corruption should be able to kill him. Maybe not one shot, but 10-20 seconds if ur capable is fair game.

[vocal sonnet]

i just realised they basically deleted evolutions end

[ancient surge]

uber abby is 500 minimum to place. Can't speak for corruption equivalent, I tend to overcompensate.
I say abby, because he's the only uber we have to date. The new boss that is for 400 corruption to place is just a pinnacle.

[south moat]

Honestly it was too strong getting +2 to all skills that easily

[vocal sonnet]

I mean now its useless

[ancient surge]

Indeed, all you had to do was complete a beast and murderize it and hey presto, +2 to all skills ammy.

[vocal sonnet]

theres other amulet with 2 all now

[night marten]

not that early in the campaign tho

[vocal sonnet]

I guess

they basically just deleted the amulet from endgame completely though

[night marten]

what other +2 skill ammy you can get pre lvl 20?

sure. not every unique needs to be endgame viable

[vocal sonnet]

Your under level 20 for like 20m into the season

[ancient surge]

evolution's end felt kind of too powerful when I first saw it, but also kind of funky to use to its full extent.

[night marten]

between omni, nihilus, and exulis, we are fine

[vocal sonnet]

does it matter when people are running mono's in 1h

[night marten]

that has nothing to do with the argument.

[willow sentinel]

Maybe we don't have the same definition of what Uber encounter should be and that's fine
But I don't think the hardest fight in the game should be killed in less than 2 min ish

[vocal sonnet]

it does, your saying its too easy to get a 2 all amulet so early on but early game in this game barely exists

[ancient surge]

I'm with Vlad on this one.

[vocal sonnet]

I mean I suppose it doesnt matter

but I still dislike just deleting the viabilty of an item completely from endgame

[night marten]

honestly they took one out and put one in

so its net even

the problem was a minion centric unique was being used by other classes cuz it was too strong

[ancient surge]

Of the other arpgs I've played, having an easy time with an uber made the whole fight meaningless. LE already has a solution: you don't "need" to do it, the items are not "necessary". If you can't do it, you may need to realize you're not there yet. Takes too long to gear up? Play more efficiently. Not "powerful" enough yet? Keep grinding.
Imho, for most problems, there are alternative solutions and they work.

[night marten]

and so they buffed omni, which should be an endgame ammy so it can compete

[ancient surge]

Indeed, 1-2 all skills, on par with nihilis now, except it's a flavor choice.

[silent pivot]

it definitely felt odd having a rift beast drop you can get in the campaign be better than omnis, lol

[austere yew]

When you unlock Uber and what equivalent corruption his actual difficulty is are 2 different thing. His abilities hit about as hard as 1500c champions.

[ancient surge]

omnis was left behind since nihilis.

[vocal sonnet]

finding a good omni and it being lp2 is gonna be stupid rare lmao

[ancient surge]

Moreso than nihilis?

[vocal sonnet]

has exhulis always existed

[ancient surge]

Double-checked, yes, omnis has a LP level of 100, nihilis is 80.

[night marten]

think thts the point ya? endgame items are supposed to be hard?

[night marten]

its new this patch

[vocal sonnet]

its kinda insane, but I guess you need to go corruption stats

oh they nerfed brutality

ffs xD

[stray glen]

Brutality is still pretty strong.

[vocal sonnet]

dunno the health leech loss is kinda big

and armour loss

40% dmg is huge I guess

[pearl sandal]

It’s more dmg so yeah very strong

[glossy frost]

How will you get Primal Rift now?

[runic raptor]

Hey devs can you sneak drop s4 today? can't wait until thursday

ty

[ancient surge]

I'm with you on that, however... what's the effective drop rate on omnis and nihilis by comparison with how often those bosses are even murdered/farmed?

If I'm reading this right, nihilis is slightly rarer, but is easier to have LP than omnis. (in terms of drop % chance form their respective boss)

I never counted, but I'm fairly sure I've done way more abbies than shades.

[night marten]

abby was farmed more for sure...but now that omni is worth going after, that changes

[night marten]

same way you always have.

[ancient surge]

But to even get omnis, you have to reset the timeline. Both regular and confluence require it once completed.

[night marten]

and you can have him ambush you.

[ancient surge]

Hmm... I had that node whole of season 2, never happened.

[night marten]

but so?

its not like you set up 10 timelines for farming

you really only set up one

[ancient surge]

Well, fair point on that one.

[night marten]

now i do agree it would be nice to get a orobyss fight that didnt reset the timeline somehow

[ancient surge]

I'm just weird and like to switch up my timelines while doing the same thing from time to time :p

[lucid herald]

hmm... now idk if i want to do bleed bladestorm or frostbite bladestorm

or maybe i just want to play a build that wont have mana issues (fire aura) xd

[flat pagoda]

You can go far away from center and than use the woven echo where you fight 5 orobyss one after another

Omnis processes much more often from those

[night marten]

yes

[ancient surge]

Well, yeah... to deterministically farm you do normal echo or confluence (woven echo), both of which reset the timeline. To maximize effect of drop chance, you have to be as far away from the center as you can while doing it. As was noted, shade ambush node is a thing and I hope it will work if I allocate it again, unlike the entirety of my time in season 2. The 3rd option I could see is chaining temple of eterra, one echo and then shade in one timeline.

[stray glen]

40% dmg considering 100 strength, but you can easily stack more than that.

[ancient surge]

If this is the intended setup for omnis drops, then I shan't push further.

[vocal sonnet]

it caps at 40% i believe

[night marten]

that sounds right

[pearl sandal]

Incorrect

The cap is on how much mana cost applies for the stat, not on how much more damage you can achieve

[stray glen]

Nope, devs only gave an example of 100 strength = 40% damage, they didn't say it is the limit.

[pearl sandal]

40% is the “limit” for skills assuming you have exactly 100 brutality, as in a higher mana cost doesn’t get better, but if you get 200 brutality you are at 80% more etc.

[south moat]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[pearl sandal]

That info is 4 days old and out of date

They corrected it in the patch notes

[stray glen]

That is the first version of Brutality, right now we are on the third version of it lol

First it was capped at 20% more damage, second one was capped at 20 mana cost multiplied by 5% of your Strength, third and current version is capped at 20 mana cost multiplied by 2% of your Strength.

[pearl sandal]

Brutality is still the strongest of the conversions imo, having more dmg and increased dmg on the same stat is really nice double dipping for stacking up

[south moat]

Aight that's fair

[stray glen]

Madness in second place. Maybe third is Rampancy?

It has some nice combos with the Frenzy Primordial Belt and the Frenzy Primordial Helmet.

And get a lot of Increased Haste Effect for clearing fast with Exulis.

[runic crater]

Any EHG people here that can confirm if the Multistrike Idol is truly capped at one sword at 100% with multiple sources? Or if I can get each idol to be a 100% chance, is that an additional sword per idol instance?

[night marten]

this would prolly be better in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs not a whole lotta devs in general on the weekend

[runic crater]

Just moved it to there.

Been a hot minute since I have been on, too. Discord has gotten some fancy new channels I see!

[night marten]

all g

[wet loom]

Do we know much about the corrupting mechanic? Like, how hard will it be to get an item with a corrupted affix you want (and still have other usable affixes)?

[night marten]

we dont have exact numbers

but its really not about having other usable affixes...cuz you are corrupting last anyways. so you should always have the other affixes already

[red quarry]

Hey!
Im new Here.

Any Infos for console Release? 🙂

[night marten]

playstation sometime next year with the expansion

[red quarry]

Next year? I Heard this year... Omg:/

[wet loom]

Okay, so it won't randomize the existing affixes? I had thought it was a bit more chaotic, like old Glyph of Envy.

[rancid pulsar]

if it did that it'd be almost useless for a majority of items lol

[night marten]

there are a few different outcomes. adding affix, removing affix, base type change, ruining, value maxing, but not randomizing

[eternal palm]

wtf LE keeps crashing telling me it requires an active steam connection and I'm not losing internet at all

[south moat]

Okay
How hard is it going to be finding 4 ornate bee idols for primalist 🤔

[pearl sandal]

Idols are the worst haha, buy them from MG >.<

[south moat]

I uhh don't play MG

[pearl sandal]

then better hope you can find them running a billion idol prophecies, getting the idols i want in CoF builds is such a pain

[stray glen]

Corrupting has a chance of 1)removing a pre-existing affix, 2)adding a normal affix, 3)adding a corrupt affix, 4)changing the item base type, probably there's other stuff i forgot, but we don't know the exact chances yet.

[night marten]

the ruining of an item

[pearl sandal]

5. making the item a brick (actually unusable lol, first game where the term is factually correct >.<)

I'm gonna have a lot of fun corrupting items, but I do not look forwards to all the reddit post whines and discord whines on items that got ruined lol

[stray glen]

So if you have a perfect rolled Red Ring with 1 LP slammed with t7 Dexterity, you can lose that Dexterity (don't know if you can lose the uniques affixes), you can gain another ring affix (such as Throwing Attack Speed), you can gain a corrupt ring affix, but i don't think a unique can change its base type through corruption.

[pearl sandal]

you just know that within a day or two we will get someone posting a pic of a T7 slammed Red Ring thats unequippable anymore

but I also can't wait to see all the pics of that multi-corrupt ring and how crazy people can make it

[night marten]

yeah item showcase is going to be a graveyard of bricked items

[quick snow]

might want to make a channel just for bricks

[night marten]

nah

[quick snow]

call it the "house fund"

[night marten]

once i get my first build thru everything, im going to go make an oops all corruption while leveling and insta corrupt evreything i wear

[inner finch]

greed mode engaged

[south moat]

greed is good

[vocal sonnet]

theres will be 1 mega gg corrupt some posts which will fund the addiction for everyone

Is this game 18+ because with the gambling it needs an 18+ tag lmao

[severe socket]

Absolutely, lol.

The amount of RNG this game's about to get is unhealthy.

Deterministic crafting is great to have, but context-deaf RNG is what murders it in the end.

[vocal sonnet]

the entire endgame progression is just pure rng slamming

[severe socket]

Idols is a whole another can of worms. Who dafuq thought that rolling +%bowDmg and +%[anyOneHander]Dmg on a single idol with no chance to reroll any single affix without butchering the entire idol is a good idea?

[vocal sonnet]

idols may be why I go mg

farming idols is just stupidly annoying

[severe socket]

Not worth the hassle still, imo.

[whole dust]

they are baiting me into playing...flame reave buffed..I played that every season on my spellblade

[vocal sonnet]

getting a two t7 exalt is gonna be rare af now

[severe socket]

CoF, you rely on STACKS UPON STACKS of RNG. MG, you rely on other players who in turn rely on STACKS UPON STACKS of RNG but with even less material to work with. It's an L no matter how you look at it.

[vocal sonnet]

yeah but atleast with MG if I find something good for another class I can sell it and get something for my class

[severe socket]

They gave absolutely nothing worth looking at to Marksman, so they're on the verge of losing me as a player.

[vocal sonnet]

and with corruption being so random it makes it even more so

[whole dust]

same happened last season for mage..literally 0 changes

[severe socket]

I can play something else, but MM (or any bow/firearm user, really) is my prime choice pretty much anywhere, so yeah.

[vocal sonnet]

Im still hoping theres a decent mage build this season

[severe socket]

Given how they keep clowning on MM in each consecutive patch, I dunno...

[vocal sonnet]

LB got slapped and it was basically the only decent build

[severe socket]

FFS, stuff like JBK or Ravager's Dart is the epitome of "f--- marksman sideways".

Each of those uniques takes away a mastery-exclusive skill AND A GOOD CHUNK OF MASTERY SUPPORT ALONG WITH IT while giving NOTHING in return.

One forces MM into melee, another into throwing damage, respectively.

[night marten]

i am actually impressed with how you can turn literally every conversation you have into complaining about those two items

[vocal sonnet]

im hoping theres a good meteor build now or a fire aura one

[severe socket]

Yes, I'm giga salty about those.

Like, sure, they can be "played with", but to what end?

They had so much time and so much feedback about marksman as a mastery. What made them stick to their guns and keep it as is regardless?

[quick snow]

maybe it is exactly where they want it to be. just becuase that doesn't align with what you want it to be doesn't make it wrong

[severe socket]

I want it to be on par with Falconer.

Same as Bladedancer.

I want Dancing Strikes to actually fulfill its role as a mastery-exclusive skill, as something ACTUALLY USABLE IN DEEP ENDGAME without unnecessary mechanical complications. I want Rogue's kit to make goddamn sense and not be an array of physical/melee-pigeonholed jigsaws.

Same with Forge Guard, actually. Yes, it's better than what it used to be, but it's still a wtfrandom mess as a whole.

[night marten]

believe it or not there is only so much time in a season to make and change things

[severe socket]

...Eight goddamn months.

[night marten]

they have plans out at least 2+ seasons

[severe socket]

Maybe I'm being too harsh here, sure.

[fathom barn]

do refracted slots do something if nothing is stated on the idol altar?

[night marten]

i dont think so

like as much as you complain about MM...you can say just about the same thing to shaman

[severe socket]

Melee shaman is barely a thing, I agree.

It shouldn't be just about totems.

There also has to be more fire-related skills/conversions at his disposal.

There's quite a lot of friction points in there for me as well, yes.

[vocal sonnet]

atleast mm heartseeker is still a build xD

[severe socket]

"still" would be the keyword, heh.

[modern pagoda]

Is there not a stat in the character sheet for throwing critical strike chance?

[fathom barn]

for Throne of Ambition, if placed on a refracted slot of an altar with "effect of prefixes and suffixes for idols on refracted slots", does it mean that it increases the limit of stacks you can gain and the damage each stack would do?

[vocal sonnet]

some of these corruptions seem great

a lot are a bit meh and the fact you can get t1's is annoying

But I guess some only require t1's

[severe socket]

Is it just me or does item-related corruption add more downsides than upsides? Like, it does make sense theme-wise, but I dunno...

[vocal sonnet]

I feel like the corruption on equipment should start at t4 or something

the frenzy relic one is good

at all levels

[night marten]

its pretty hard to tell at this point since its just guessing without getting your hands on it

but that is the common expectation

[strange umbra]

@willow sentinel are you - you?

[severe socket]

👋

[night marten]

this is concerning

[vocal sonnet]

yes this is him officer

[strange umbra]

his account got compromised like 6hr ago but he posted in #❔┃ask-the-community less than 1hr ago

so just doing my due diligence lol

Otherwise we have another @simple bison on our hands lmao ❤️

[night marten]

thats weird.

idk why a hacker would keep answering questions

lol

unless he got it back hella quick

[strange umbra]

ya ill give him a few to respond

[vocal sonnet]

im pretty sure ive been talking to him about builds lmao

why would someone hack an account in the LE discord to then talk about LE

[fathom barn]

smart hacker😂

[strange umbra]

ya it seems they got their account back quickly

I know they were compromised though because they spammed me with invites to a random scam discord

lol

[south moat]

Ah, good that he got it back so fast

[zenith pewter]

5 days till patch, i can't start any game now

[icy moat]

i need to sleep for 5 days straight

[vocal sonnet]

im happy its on a thurdays, give me 3 days of play before I go back to work

[strange umbra]

I wish I could take some PTO to play - but, ya know... lol I kinda need to be around

[mellow ridge]

Man so torn in what to play this coming season

[icy moat]

i have thursday friday saturday working sadly but i feel like im gonna get sick soon cough cough

[zenith pewter]

wait, aren't you EHG employee?

[south marsh]

Only on weekends

The rest of the time he is Batman

[zenith pewter]

me too, i wanna try blackhole sorc, meteor sorc, blade dancer, bee druid

still have not decided which one first

[mellow ridge]

Blade dancer sounds cool, I've always had a soft spot for meteor and volcanic orb but couldn't make them work

[zenith pewter]

yeah hopium with new meteor buffs

[mellow ridge]

Did a season of spell blade ages ago and it was fun but really rough and there's a lot of cool new stuff

[night marten]

i have a bane of winter build that i want to do. but melee just looks too good with brutality

[zenith pewter]

bane of winter spell blade?

he got that new melee to spell damage stat

[strange umbra]

exactly lol

[mellow ridge]

I may take a day or two off next week as there will be construction in my house

[night marten]

yeah. i have a spellblade version, but obv no TR scaling. and i also have a FG version that gets TR scaling but obv less spell

[mellow ridge]

Just perfect timing and convenient that my PC room will be untouched

[south moat]

Don't worry, I'll make a bee build in your honor

And pretend they're flying muffins

[zenith pewter]

have you guys seen the queen bee? xD she's buffed as hell xD

[south moat]

Yes
It was shown on the stream yesterday

Beeg and beeautiful
doing her beest

[strange umbra]

Queen Bee did not skip arm day

[zenith pewter]

yeah she looks like a gym bro xD

[south moat]

She's shredded
And so are her enemies when she's done

[zenith pewter]

she walks btw, i thought she would fly for some reasons...

[inner finch]

wait, we have seen the queen bee? where

i demand to see her

[pine herald]

What queen bee is?

No idea why it's a new meme here

[inner finch]

read the patch notes

[south moat]

From the new set

[night marten]

its a bumblebear

was shown on stream yesterday

[south moat]

She was shown on stream yesterday but yes, bumblebear

[inner finch]

This just makes me imagine Kuma from Tekken with a Bee outfit

[pine herald]

Thx

[vocal sonnet]

My pto was pure coincidence , booked it months ago.

May try a bee meme as my second characters, need to be much. Like you can get like 100 bee's from idol corrupts alone

[zenith pewter]

max bees from set is 14, from relic 10, from 2 idols is 14, sum = 38 :0

[night marten]

kain had said yesterday he hadgotten over 50

[strange umbra]

nice

[pine herald]

😂 It will super cool plus with a group of bee. I mean, pet

Which mastery I should play to access with bee build?

[zenith pewter]

how? :0 did he drink 16 potions from jungle queen belt

[south moat]

I was counting earlier that with the set, relic + idols you'll get something around 50

[pine herald]

Oh I guess it relevant to druid

[zenith pewter]

yeah you want to use that relic with bees in spriggan form

shaman is good too

10 extra attunement for scaling

[south moat]

You could probably do it with elemental bees from mage idols
Or rogue

Rogue can get a lot of bees

Anyway, it's gonna be neat
Just gonna need to go spriggan mode as primalist for it though

[late plank]

I dont super care about the best endgame build, but in term of gameplay:
What would be the most appropriate builds for circle league?
Think staying power, ability to survive surrounded situations etc?

[carmine wing]

I absolutely love the judgement aura paladin build. Super tanky, good aoe, very low key presses

[carmine wing]

super easy to scale damage with just increasing healing effectiveness

[late plank]

i played that in s2, isnt it using the key priority tech where you constantly have to hold key down?

[carmine wing]

no, i don't think so. i think you just have to hit it every 6 or 8 seconds?

[vocal sonnet]

cant you corrupt bee's on idols

[night marten]

things with good aoe. things like hammers

[late plank]

Hammer does make a lot of sense

[carmine wing]

Just logged in and checked; you do not need to hold anything down. Hit judgement every 8-10 seconds and just walk around. On bosses, you spam vengence

[south moat]

yes
And I think some of the alternate idol layouts can get you multiple 4x1 idols

Or I could be wrong and lying to myself hoping that it's better than it actually is

[vocal sonnet]

bee's per 10s it on all idols isnt it

[south moat]

You can get it as a corrupt result on all
but default no

[vocal sonnet]

still you could easy fit in a bunch of bee corrupts I guess

[late plank]

Whats the name of that skill that makes a circle on the ground?

[carmine wing]

Judgement?

[south moat]

Isn't it default 1 corrupted idol only?

[vocal sonnet]

is it?

why would there be a limit on corruptions you can use? theres a idol table that scales off the amount of corrupted idols you have

[late plank]

Yeah i remember literally standing in place against and spamming it against abby

[south moat]

Or maybe it was the other kind of idol that I'm thinking about 🤔

Ah yea, the Omen idols have max amount you can have

[pearl sandal]

different layouts/affixes have different restrictions, there is one of them that has a max on corrupted idols

[south moat]

Ah

[earnest oasis]

ghost maker infernal shade

it has many screen wide clear

[late plank]

oh? ima take a look

Are there 360 bow based builds?

[night marten]

kiiiiiinda. explosive trap bow and hail of arrow are kinda aoe-ish

[jaunty moth]

I see a lot of items will have additional stats in the next season, great ! Now question: will items that dropped before the new season (and are in our stash) automaticaly receive the new stats or do we have to re-drop them to benefit from the new stats ?

[inner finch]

additional stats? what additional stats?

[jaunty moth]

I mean more effects on items and so on.

Like the reworked items

[severe socket]

I don't think it's gonna be retroactive.

Unless stated otherwise, that is.

[jaunty moth]

ok thanks

[austere totem]

5 more days

[calm jay]

Pretty neeeeat

[south moat]

I'm not ready

[calm jay]

Not really here, neither

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/bmV4K.gif

I NEED IT RIGHT MEOW

lol

[south moat]

It'll bee alright

[calm jay]

We will make it if we try

[serene parcel]

gonna see if I can spend the next 5 days and beat regular Aberroth. I might just spend the rest of my gold to find thing big and baller to help.

Final countdown to the next season and all that.

[late plank]

wait, muffin, cant you boot up a dev build, lol

[warm stratus]

How did patch notes look ?

[south moat]

It's not the same

I mean it is
but it's not the same as going and seeing the people in global
seeing comments in real time about new findings

[vocal sonnet]

how many bee's can I get

you can get a corruption on any idol that gives 10 bee's / elemental bee's every 10s

[south moat]

Kain said he had 50
And apaprently killed uberroth with just bees

[low cradle]

I need my tanky blade dancer back 😛

you cant just be like "Oh yeah you have defenses again, but you need to wait to have them."

its rude

[strange umbra]

lol

[south moat]

Just 2 more sleeps until the season start

[inner finch]

or 6 microsleeps

[signal mica]

Is it March 25th yet?

[south moat]

Not quite

[calm jay]

It's approximately not March 25th, by my advanced mathematics

But I'm willing to venture others' work to see if their results maybe differ on that

[south moat]

Close enough to 25th

[signal mica]

Time is going so fast

I always like the day before a release waking up like its Christmas

[zealous siren]

you only sleep every second day? 😄

[south moat]

I do actually sleep a decent amount
but very poorly

[zealous siren]

Is your ear infection gone ? Hope you feel better

[south moat]

Ah, yes actually. Thanks for asking

[zealous siren]

Oh nice!

[signal mica]

Lot of people I know have right ear issues, eardrums and such so strange

[south moat]

Mm

[zealous siren]

Is it because something is stressing you? Like a stressed nervous system or are you just drinking too much coffee? 🤔

[vocal sonnet]

im getting my ear cleaned tomorrow, its been blocked for like a week

[lost wigeon]

Are there any build tier lists for season 4 yet?

[zealous siren]

I dont think so, but keep your eyes open in the next couple of days, many creators are already working on builds for S4 and they will post their videos in the channel video-shoutout

[lost wigeon]

Alright

[night marten]

Its pretty hard to rank things...without actually playing the new season

[calm jay]

Shush you, with that sound logic and sensibility

[hardy basalt]

"Tempest Weapon" on gathering storm is confusing. In the description it says that "...additional spell damage per 3 melee damage on your equipped AXE or MACE"
At the bottom it just says "Spell Damage Per 3 Melee Damage: +1 per point"
The bottom part sounds like it'd get the bonus from many more sources and the description states that it only gets the bonus from axe and mace not even a staff. Which one is correct?

[frosty ridge]

you wont really see build tiers yet and if you do it will soley be based on theoretical information

[hardy basalt]

So some people in last season's arena tree are just wasting point on it by using the Spirit Xylem? So many builds and guides out there with this node and a staff

[strange umbra]

Let's make sure we're following #rules 1 please 🙂

[shut shard]

are the clickbait tier list youtubers who are presumably disrespected by my comments in the room with us right now?

[strange umbra]

Again let's be sure to follow #rules 1 please - they are rules for everyone in our community (also Eagles is a moderator)

[shut shard]

Is this the new moderation standard in this server? I'll keep it in mind in my further interactions

[simple jolt]

the fire aura suite looks really juicy now

[strange umbra]

Ya it's looking fun for sure

[simple jolt]

fire aura auto melee enchant ignite pop along with rythm stack pop, how do i get the points though haha

[shut shard]

Although I wish you'd put as much effort into making your game as you do into moderating normal conversations, but I'm sure you also have a rule against discussing moderation policy.

[frosty ridge]

death knights hungering souls sounds so cool. so does new spellblade. so does bladestorm. too many choices

[digital bridge]

I have no idea what to leaguestart anymore LOLLL

I was going to start explosive trap but I think im changing my mind

I played void knight last league, and warlock the league b4

[vocal sonnet]

I was gonna go LB or warpath both of which got slapped so I dunno

[dull topaz]

Imagine thinking to yourself "If something is currently 100% chance what would a nice balance be? Oh I know, lets rip 90% off and leave it at 10%"

[vocal sonnet]

yeah the explosive trap nerf was just wow

100% to 10% is insane

i'd love if it devs put some comment on their reasoning on some of the heavy handed nerfs

[dull topaz]

Most of the nerfs they've just gone "lets rip it to pieces" not "lets start small and increase as we go"

[night marten]

its either that or a cap per second

thats what they have been going to for procs

you were getting what like 12 or 18 flasks per second(not per cast cuz you could cast faster than 1/sec) of something before?

[dull topaz]

nerfed det arrow melee in explosive, then in between they removed a -mana cost point from a node on the sly and now they nerf sprinkler all the while acid flask has the worst tree ever lol, the poison nodes are terrrrrrrible, fire is decent but always needed explosive traps for end game viability lol

[digital bridge]

I miss Jelkhors detonating arrow shenanigans

that was my fav

[dull topaz]

Not sure with mana being -22 a pop with -10 from rings you still fire 8-9 traps and you're out of mana needing to pot or have your bird help

[night marten]

falcon flask is still good. and bladestorm has flask stuff too that no one knows about

but yea the flask tree is def old and you can feel it

[dull topaz]

Ive seen the whole BS tree from the asian test servers

[digital bridge]

I may just go rogue because something is bound to be busted honestly

[dull topaz]

lizard accidentally had it all in his video yesterday

[night marten]

there are no asian test servers?

[dull topaz]

watched players using all the new skills and the entire new trees

well it had asian text at the bottom so I assumed

maybe they got it from whoever and then sent it to him, either way skills look cool

ive never used shatterstrike but seeing enemies freeze and explode looked wicked

[night marten]

and like the entire tree was put out yesterday anyways?

everyone had access yesterday

[dull topaz]

yeah point is the flask stuff in the tree lol

doesn't look fantastic imo 😛

the new relic looks cool but fires a flask at 120% mana cost

guess we'll see - could be completely wrong happens 8/10 times

but it feels 100 to 10 is a huge nerfy

like I said yesterday multiple times I am actually excited for this season it looks great and I'm def going to enjoy it my only real upset was the imprints which I won't argue again now its beaten like a dead horse lol

[silent pivot]

only thing I can think of is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zEPYn_gyg (season 4 patch overview with judd)

which has chinese subtitles available and nothing else 🤣

[night marten]

@dull topaz is that the video?

[digital bridge]

yeah the relic looks badass

[dull topaz]

Yeah it was that but without judd talking or appearing haha

I dont generally watch the streams etc cos they come out at 3am

[night marten]

yeah so it was just a snippet of what was released already

and you just assumed it was a leak from an asian test server that he shouldnt have had?

[dull topaz]

the one I saw was most of what I saw there but seemed longer - weird i dunno , like that tiny bit of shatter strike was like way longer

yes eagle - please release the files

[sly turret]

Anyone know if frozen orb works best as dot or hit?

[dull topaz]

100% down to 10% is trash

if you're trying to bury my opinion on that

and the "flask nodes" you mention in bladestorm look underwhelming at best

[sweet moss]

hey the new class comes out on the 26th right?

[dull topaz]

nope

[simple jolt]

the conspiracy goes further. they made it trash so nobody plays it, and they'll rework acid flask and garner huge gains

[sweet moss]

whatttt

when is new class

[night marten]

im not trying to bury your opinion on the nerf im trying to see what 'asian test server leak by lizard' things you saw

[dull topaz]

think its S5 on the roadmap bro, 26th is S4

[night marten]

its like a year or so away coming with the expansion

[dull topaz]

oh yeah i def just assumed i'm great at assumptions you know this you've seen the shit i type in here

[night marten]

there is no new classes coming in s4 or s5

[dull topaz]

I over react to everything before it happens

[sweet moss]

thought it came in s4 now im sad

[simple jolt]

seems like there will be a bunch of new builds though, that's sorta like new classes

[dull topaz]

the aoe on acid flask should be 150% what it's base is now before you add +aoe to it imo it's like throwing a waterballon made by an infant lol

[simple jolt]

i'm torn between fire aura/lightning upheavalEQ/bladestorm bladeshield bladedancer

[dull topaz]

BD looks strong as~

[sweet moss]

where are yall seeing all the new builds

is there a meta list yet

[simple jolt]

using the planners, theorycrafting

[night marten]

no one has played on the patch. how could anyone possibly know what the actual meta is?

[sweet moss]

im not too smart if u cant tell

[thorny barn]

Havent had time to check patchnotes yet. How hard did primalist minions and warlock minions get hit if at all?

[simple jolt]

some fire minion build options opened up but that's about it

[willow sentinel]

How hard did primalist minion
Bear got a decent slap
The rest a light tap if anything

[dull topaz]

I think a lot of builds will be called "meta" this season (find that word cringe since it literally gets used to describe the optimal way to play a class using its base skills)

[night marten]

it was mostly bear and everything else is about the same. acolyte minions had some buffs. a lot of unique minin items also had buffs.

[thorny barn]

Well guess its forth season in a row where I league start as a minion warlock then 😉

Not that I am complaining, I love it

[simple jolt]

ignite vomite zombies looks strong now

[zinc crest]

I really want to see someone hit like 4k mana pool with xylem plus a lottery-winning corruption

up to I think 12 or 13 mana per attunement possible?

[foggy cedar]

Returning player here don’t know what to do in season 3 anyone can help??

[night marten]

i need a more specific question...because the main idea of 'kill things, pick up loot' is the same

what is the actual problem

[foggy cedar]

@night marten just redownloaded yesterday lvl 97 erasing strike was pretty max in szn2 don’t know what to do in szn3 how to get T7 to T8

[night marten]

you make a t7 into a t8 by using a rune of evolution, which you get thru spending bones in a vendor in chapter 10, or in the rift beast portals

[glass pendant]

Been scrolling up a little

Sounds like rather weighty patch notes

[night marten]

they are chunky

[glass pendant]

Saw some pitchforks in the comments

nothing out of the ordinary ofc

[night marten]

yeah nerf=bad

[glass pendant]

expecting it to die down a week in, when people have corrupted 1lps into 3lp power

a tale as old as time

[willow sentinel]

FAlconer got removed from the game

UB is now a Sentinel skill

[glass pendant]

might as well be, umbrals are useless without bladestorms 😭

rogues discussing them as mana generators

[willow sentinel]

You can have both now

[glass pendant]

I didn't check if aerial assault has changed at all

but if featherstorm can't call bladestorms, it's now a BD skill

[willow sentinel]

The falcon rides you now

[glass pendant]

that's fine, you saw what happened to the last bird we rode in the story

stayed up midair for 2 minutes

[night marten]

nay good sir. umbrals now EXIST without bladestorm

[glass pendant]

I'd be shocked if someone used them as a genuine damage source and not mana gen/SD application (that isn't dread)

nvm I take that back, LE players are niche coded

If gathering storm vids exist, anything can exist

[willow sentinel]

OOF

[night marten]

shots fired

[inner finch]

[foggy cedar]

Thank you

[cobalt fable]

this will be the best season?

[night marten]

if you want it to be

[inner finch]

Depends

[signal mica]

Def beats 3

[inner finch]

it will only be the best season if "any gigachads in chat?" will be sent exactly every 6 hours on the clock

[cobalt fable]

you like the gigachads line dont you

i know you do

[dreamy hedge]

Anyone know what day the current season ends?

[cobalt fable]

-24h from launch

[dreamy hedge]

ty

[inner finch]

Only if its dropped every day in chat

otherwise, it loses its magic

i think it should be dropped in here 3 times a day, to be honest

[cobalt fable]

its been a busy times for me sadly but i will be more present

[frosty ridge]

How are minions now. I haven’t played them since season one and the worst part them lagging behind while you’re moving up

[night marten]

there have been a lot of minion imprivements since then

they have different modes you can put them in

[dull topaz]

bro you should see some of the testing with umbrals I've seen recently without BS nodes BEFORE BS got its own skill tree lol

its gon' be crazy good

[frosty ridge]

So are the mechanics that were introduced in season 3 moving to legacy or will they be in season 4 as well?

[west ivy]

season mechanics never disappear

it's all additive

[frosty ridge]

nice that’s sick

[night marten]

seasonal mechanics havent dispapeared yet

they have said they will pull stuff if needed

its just teh game needs more content more right now

[signal mica]

Minions are quite fun imho, probably the best minions in any game out right now

I played the bear build last season and it was easy mode, wanted sabretooth start hut went bear

Lot of improvements

[paper isle]

If they don't start doing seasons every 3 months this gonna take forever literally

[dull topaz]

It would be cool if they put a bigger focus into end game and focus'd less on other stuff that upsets people, lol

[signal mica]

They doing good

They young still

[simple jolt]

been playing since 2018 and yeah it's never been fast

[dull topaz]

I wish I was lmao

[signal mica]

Just be humble, being young minded and of the heart

Joy and simple things

Im almost 41 yikes

[dull topaz]

Im 49 in 3 weeks

[signal mica]

Many dont make it that far

Its a blessing I say

[dull topaz]

NZ born and raised nothing over there to kill us sept earthquakes lol

[signal mica]

Dang

I have hope for EHG

Its something I would've wanted to be part of when they started

[errant marlin]

@runic crater
-max hits response-
I disagree. This is just a fundamental change to the expectations to the genre. The games in the genre are all built upon rare loot, and time needed to grind for it and to drop.

Most of the people that enjoy the genre are older, on their 40s now, and were grinders growing up that understand the genre is supposed to be a long grind and a choice to play endless hours for that rush for a GG drop.

What has happened is the genre has shifted by other styles of games bleeding in that have a faster pace, simpler mechanics, and easy guaranteed loot.

This isn't necessarily bad itself, but if we stray too far from the roots of the genre we miss what people play for... the grind. We have a lot of players now though that didn't grow up playing games like that... again not inherently bad, but different.

But there still is a huge chunk of the player base that does love this grind. The issue with this grind isn't corruption, it is an expectation that people think x hours should = x drops. And this shouldn't be a guarantee... sucks to say, but it shouldn't.

-my response-

1. ARPGS have got more complex fights over the time. they never had hard mechanics lol.
2. the grind is needed yes but to keep pushing higher and higher you need to be rewarded with better gear or else you just get stuck hitting your head against a brick wall. i know this doesnt affect most people because they dont get that far 1-2LP items are plenty for 99% of the player bases goals.
3. this mindset of how things used to be are long and gone ever since seasons game into arpgs. its not a long term grind focus anymore.

[simple jolt]

ladders aren't new though

[strange umbra]

FWIW "Most of the people that enjoy the genre are older, on their 40s now, and were grinders growing up that understand the genre"
applies to me - been playing "ARPGs" since Diablo in the 90s - this is 100% your opinion 🙂

It may be shared by others - but to me ARPGs are fun but "aint nobody got time for that" is my motto - I am never going to be a D4 or PoE1 or PoE2 or LE "grinder"

and I personally love when the genre is evolving into 🙂

(to be clear, this is my own personal opinion on things here haha - not some EHG "stance")

[dull topaz]

Man I remember 14 hours solid killing shit in Cruma Tower in Lineage 2 to get from level 50 to 51 - I have done the grind and I understand it but that was also an mmo not an ARPG - arpgs have shorter completion to end game, theyre faster paced and as such result in people wanting things quicker (myself included) I think there could be a loot balance but this games vibe is lootsplosions and people often join the game and in global "wow Ive come from POE this loot is awesome" etc I won't go into the imprint arguement again tho lol

[night marten]

3 months isnt realistic at all. 4-5 months is probly more reasonable. but yes, they need to be faster...which is why they hired more people during this season to help with it going forward

[night marten]

the problem is everything upsets someone and they are always vocal about it

[dull topaz]

I reckon at a random guess 80% of people are still working on their final form by the 3 month mark. 4-5 is fine by me too

[errant marlin]

sorry muffin the first section was his response to me in dev chat, the bullet points are from me'

[paper isle]

It certainly is realistic, it's the standard

[vocal sonnet]

I reckon most people usually end their season by week 2

[night marten]

most 'casuals' do only a few weeks, ya

[cobalt fable]

torchlight pump content like they life depends on it

[dull topaz]

The drop off in players isnt from completing anything its mostly game jumpers they did it in POE2 then they come to LE and do it here, lol

[strange umbra]

apologies 🙂

[paper isle]

If they did it every 3 months maybe they could have been more profitable too so they didn't have to break their worth

[night marten]

if it was 3 months there just wouldnt be enough new things to actually do

[vocal sonnet]

they cant add much in 3 months

[night marten]

even poe went to 4+ months

[dull topaz]

if they charge for content maybe otherwise, how?

[night marten]

its just not realistic anymore

[signal mica]

Not seeing much l9ve for LE from the bigger streamers i say

[errant marlin]

no for sure i love all opinions on this. i was just advocating for people who stick around for more then 2 weeks and want to prog

[vocal sonnet]

I was bored last season because apart from the evo beast which wasn't much it was the exact same as s2

[paper isle]

Because they do 2 games now lol 😂

[dull topaz]

streamers are just gamer bro's who don't want a real job lmao

[paper isle]

You make it sound as if they slowed down

They ramped it up

[night marten]

and they still cant hit the timetable lol 😂

[signal mica]

Youtube guys lot of cool dudes make LE videos

Not much out there tho

[vocal sonnet]

I mean streamers isnt a real job like acting/ musician/ sports isnt. Its just entertainment, all part of the same bundle

[signal mica]

Even the LE official videos are like empty

[cobalt fable]

any gigachads in the chat?

[night marten]

eh. they havent actually played LE in a while cuz s3 was 'bad'. hard to have an accurate opinion when you havent actually played the season

[dull topaz]

I wasn't putting them down. If I could make money streaming (not counting my OF) then I def would, I'm just saying they're not the people who make and break games imo

[strange umbra]

I stick around for more than 2 weeks quite often 🙂 but that doesn automatically = grinder either

sometimes its because no other ARPG has new content
sometimes its because I am having more fun than I know I would in something else
sometimes its because im rolling 3-4 alts for funsies (this was me in Season 3)
etc etc

[vocal sonnet]

depends, you'd be surprised how big of an impact some streamers can have, especially too smaller games.

[signal mica]

Yeah I get it

I think lot ifvgamers do listen to streamers and cc guys

[cobalt fable]

zizaran will play atleast 1 day

so he told

[dull topaz]

that guy reminds me of the mclovin dude on superbad

[signal mica]

Its like being part of something like belonging with a group

[dull topaz]

watching someone play a game online and feeling part of a group - sorry thats odd to me, not saying its not valid. Just odd to me personally.

[signal mica]

Hive mind

[paper isle]

Wild comparison, maybe just take a step back and consider what a "review" means and how it helps people make educated decisions

[strange umbra]

@dull topaz lets keep it PG plz