💬┃general

[last crane]

yes you will soon 🙂

[strange umbra]

lol

[night marten]

this will have some blance stuff obv...but most of that is friday patch notes

[lost elk]

They talked about Wilfire in Feb. edition of Eterra monthly. Not sure I'd expect any other news about it:

We’re also buffing several underused Primordial Uniques. In particular, Wildfire Embers is getting buffed and also its text has been updated to more accurately reflect its functionality:

Wildfire Embers

Twice per second while in combat, your ignites on each enemy within 15 meters are spread to one other nearby enemy, and you have a 25-30% chance to create a Wildfire Wisp next to an ignited enemy

Developer note: This means if there are two enemies with 15 ignite stacks, then after 0.5 seconds two other enemies will gain those 15 ignite stacks. 0.5 seconds after that, four other enemies will gain those 15 ignite stacks. This continues for as long as those ignites exist and there are enemies for the ignites to spread to. These ignites still take the remaining duration of the ignites they spread from, but with the frequency doubled it should be much more capable of having an impact on the battlefield.

[night marten]

no, i will not. and you cant make me

[light lake]

i'm just saying this because everything new I've seen on LE has come out broken

[raw salmon]

these notes arent what the buff is

[primal abyss]

Would like to add to that, not everything is included in Hype Week. The patch notes will drop this Friday, however >:3

[light lake]

but will see

[quick wraith]

can you release the new season today since I got 2 days off?

[last crane]

dont have to xd

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/vIlkQ7Bpvai.gif

[heady night]

3 MINUTES!!!!

[night marten]

eh. idk if 'everything' is broken...thats a bit of a stretch. power creep is real tho for sure

[turbid silo]

2 minutes

[vivid portal]

Oh Good Friday is my day off too

[turbid silo]

😉

[night marten]

also true, lmao

[quick wraith]

whats in 2 mins

[viral halo]

how many words do the patch notes have and how much are it in comparison to the last 2-3 content patch notes?

[turbid silo]

But who's staring at their Windows clock ticking to 11 AM... not me 😛

[night marten]

next hype week post

[quick wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

damn no gif

[strange umbra]

We should wait until 2min past and blame @night marten - he knows what he did

[stark frost]

Season 3 was august (4 months since Season 2) so I expect season 4 patch notes to be at least twice as big considering they had a lot more time to work on it 😛

[turbid silo]

<accidentally pushes power button on computer>

[night marten]

i mean s2 was huge and 9 months and this was 7 months so probly comperable to that

[glacial crow]

What season are we in now

[viral halo]

think so too

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/bjCrk.gif

[night marten]

i actually dont know. lol

[lost elk]

Every second->Twice per second for spread and wisp creation chance

...with the frequency doubled it should be much more capable of having an impact on the battlefield

[stark frost]

Yes it does (Make the font bigger)

[night marten]

still s3 for like 8 more days

[quick wraith]

how does one gif here do we need to boost server or so

[night marten]

you cannot in this channel.

[quick wraith]

ohh

[night marten]

unless you are a dev

or a mod

[quick wraith]

devs special 😢

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/F72j.gif

[night marten]

muffin is very special, yes

[raw salmon]

oh is that it? i hope thats not it, kinda underwhelming

[zenith pewter]

the timing 😄

[lean jolt]

god, i still have flashbacks to those days..

[strange umbra]

[inner finch]

Falconer Buffs.

[quick wraith]

POST

[night marten]

well hopefully it actually works this time so maybe better than expected

[glacial crow]

Do you have to make a new character like in Diablo 4 when a season starts

[viral halo]

Thank God my + went through.... mission complete

[night marten]

if you want to play the fresh economy, yes.

but you dont have to. legacy is getting all the same content at the same time

[inner finch]

EHG is giving us void skills without calling it void

[glacial crow]

Really that’s actually cool 😎

[raw salmon]

it needs to buff the duplication to like 50% chance for skills to dupe to be competitive with other primordial options

[solid hatch]

pls make bladedancer one of the top builds this season

[viral halo]

mini fail derrik xD but its fine 🫂 😂

[night marten]

shadow massacre 🙂

[glacial crow]

Looking for builds

[night marten]

lastepochtools or maxroll or #🎥┃video-shoutout

[stark frost]

Alloy animation going to be my goto probably, gonna have to work hard for that mana upkeep though

[austere yew]

So are the other class changes missing from the post or is it just rogue and mage changes?

[lucid herald]

Shatter Strike is looking fun with the ice spike glacier stuff

[vivid portal]

Spellblade love!!!!💕

[fathom umbra]

full class balances, friday

[night marten]

this is just the 'bigger' changes. everything is getting balance changes

[vivid portal]

I know what I’m playing then

[willow sentinel]

Where druid and Sentinel 😭😭😭

[night marten]

lol

[willow sentinel]

Have to wait Friday

[lucid herald]

There's also the firebrand fire aura angle potentially

[austere yew]

poking fun at the naming here, shouldnt be called class updates when its literally just mage

[cobalt fable]

these new changes look good but i get worried that krafton might ruin everything, i dont like them

[fathom umbra]

wont someone think of the meta sentinels? 😉

[night marten]

def not 3 new/updated skills for rogue either huh

[inner finch]

idk if Mage changes are even more dramatic than Rogue ones

they are quite significant

[stiff quest]

wheres the rogue changes

[topaz nacelle]

i will only ever come back to le if they release a unique stash

[night marten]

in #news

[fathom umbra]

did you check the post yet

[austere yew]

yes rogue changes as per title, not class changes, just mage

should have been called rogue and mage

(:

[stiff quest]

no I just wanted to complain, without reading and then give takes on game balance without having even played the class

/s obv

[fathom umbra]

Ah, a gamer (or redditor) of class

[short sphinx]

shadow rend seems dope

[night marten]

yes it does

[lucid herald]

I like the split of umbral blades and bladestorm

[fathom umbra]

Tomorrow; Unique And Set Item, animation updates and QoL (taken from the post)

[vocal sonnet]

so does rogue just seem boring overall to anyone else or is it me

[short sphinx]

just you

[vivid portal]

Just you

[vocal sonnet]

im more excited about mage changes

[night marten]

its not for everyone. flavor style

[fathom umbra]

I heard we all have to like the exact same things, there can never be any dissent 🤣

[lucid herald]

If you don't like it that's fine. I think blademaster is super fun but marksman and falcon aren't my favourites

I'm def more hyped to play a buffed spellblade

[plush hatch]

Oh, Lightning conversion for Shattering Strike !

[short sphinx]

i knew rogue was an unpopular class when i thought everyone would be playing heartseeker when it first came out and like, no one did actually lmao

[inner finch]

Do we have a comprehensive list of all new corrupted idol effects?

[lucid herald]

Shatter Strike Glacier might be my build already

[night marten]

no

prolly friday on patch notes

[lucid herald]

It just seems so cool conceptually as long as there's good scaling

[granite kindle]

still no rogue passive skill rework?

[lucid herald]

I love trigger builds

[granite kindle]

its so outdated man. i hate to wait another year to hope for a passive skill rewokr for rogue

[strange umbra]

hype posts are just a taste - not a complete pic - def check out patch notes on Friday!

@granite kindle ^

[granite kindle]

ayo? are you talking about rogue passive skill changes

💀

bro just dropped that out of nowhere

[lucid herald]

Rogue is popular it's just that umbral blades/bladestorm have been a safe meta build for a long time

[granite kindle]

i havent read anything about rogue passive skill changes

[night marten]

there are always tons of changes in patch notes that arent in hype week posts....these are literally just teasers

[granite kindle]

good to hear

[strange umbra]

I am not confirming or denying any specific changes @granite kindle - just stating there is a lot more info coming on Friday

[lucid herald]

I think more ppl will come back to rogue to try out the changes for that build

[hollow willow]

Haven't played a build with channeling skills for a long time - Curious to hear if it has it been made possible to move around while channeling yet?

[heady night]

im at peace now

[vivid portal]

I’m most hyped about this

[night marten]

some channeled skills yes

[turbid silo]

Facts

[granite kindle]

suspicious

🤣

aight man ill let you cook

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/Kswj.gif

[granite kindle]

give us 4 month updates constantly and my life is yours ❤️

[lucid herald]

I rly don't mind if LE has a 6 month release cadence as long as the releases are good

[frosty ridge]

The spellblade updates are what I’m talking about. Cast on hit = fun

[fathom umbra]

Quality > Quantity, ifi had to choose

[night marten]

they did just hire a buncha people thru this season so hopefully the future patches are faster

[granite kindle]

i can work with that . i hope its not a year again

[short sphinx]

damn lemme go do a practice campaign run since i havent played since maybe september? hype week is working

[south spoke]

as long as we know how long we'll be waiting xD

[proper pulsar]

4 month seasons would be great!

[granite kindle]

this game is my favorite more than poe2 tbh . sadly this have not much patches

[plush hatch]

For me that's a game changer. I was sad about Tempest Strike (primalist) not being good enough (for me) but that !

I'm so hype!

[short sphinx]

will there be any flame reave changes this patch, anyone have a little hint on that?

[stark frost]

You really have to understand here that the big patch notes are still upcoming. Every day until then are just teasers (Like the one you read just now)

[fathom umbra]

I think they meant releases, not notes

[granite kindle]

no im talking about not waiting for a year for a league type of thing

[lucid herald]

Full patch notes should be on Friday right?

[granite kindle]

28 is the drop right ?

[strange umbra]

[fathom umbra]

26th is Release

[turbid silo]

Patch notes drop on Friday

[strange umbra]

26

[turbid silo]

Update is March 26

[granite kindle]

oh nice its faster cool

[strange umbra]

KEEP UP DERRICK

[granite kindle]

guess i need to change my scheds kekw

[strange umbra]

lol

[lucid herald]

Just over 2 weeks for LE before OSRS leagues, it's perfect

[heady night]

cant wait to explore letools

[strange umbra]

[hardy nova]

from hype to hype first we get sls2 now we get s4 last epoch pog

[glacial crow]

@night marten So all the season the content is going to be available to me even when the new season starts

[night marten]

on legacy, yes. we havent been told of anything that is delayed

[fathom umbra]

if you are refering to legacy and seasonal, they are the same

[night marten]

which only happened one time there was a time delay for aberroth

it was like a few days i think

[fathom umbra]

Something like that, 2-3 days he was downed

I remember when regular abby was hard for my friend and i 🤣

[glacial crow]

I’ve played Diablo 4 and wanted know if there was anything different between the two

[heady night]

it says shadow rend is available at level 7. bladestorm doesnt have it. care to divulge?

[turbid silo]

Additional class changes, balance updates, and more will be included in Friday's patch notes.

[strange umbra]

correct - until we say otherwise - all content is evergreen and game-wide

[ancient surge]

Indeed, LE cycle/season is purely there for those that want a fresh start, 0 items in stash, get going from scratch.

[night marten]

not here, not yet. maybe one day but not this season

[glacial crow]

Except characters

[fathom umbra]

Well D4 has.... 6 stash tabs? 😉

[lucid herald]

Because the main goal right now is building up the core content everything goes to both realms. Once content gets more experimental it'll go to just seasonal to start with

[ancient surge]

And a prohibitive price tag?

[lucid herald]

That's my understanding

[strange umbra]

Seasonal chars are just basically starting from scratch and also a fresh economy if you go Merchant's Guild

[fathom umbra]

two expansions and base game 😉

[night marten]

basically, yeah

[ancient surge]

Costing what... 200?

[lucid herald]

Seasonal COF is the way

[fathom umbra]

👆

[ancient surge]

I say this because I can never tell with their frequent discounts to account for how much of a flop it was.

[fathom umbra]

Ill give MG this; it's nice to get cheap, easy gear online, anything aspirational: GOOD LUCK

[ancient surge]

Depending on when in the season you play it :p

[quick wraith]

you guys definitely have the best SSF mode

[fathom umbra]

Ill say, twice, ive tried to season start MG, and its always flooded with aspiratioonal gear i need thats way too expensive

[lucid herald]

I just think LE's natural loot acquisition is the best in the genre

[quick wraith]

yea crafting and loot is awesome

[night marten]

always is at season start. much cheaper later

[lucid herald]

I don't see a reason to want to trade with how smooth yet exciting gearing gets

[night marten]

when more supply is avail and the demand goes down

[lucid herald]

Of course MG is the easier way to get a strong character

[ancient surge]

I just think LE, in general, shows clear signs of dev passion in all its aspects. Nobody is perfect, but it shows when you try.

[fathom umbra]

CoF is just a smooth experience for gear-hunting, and I dig that, Ive done enough sweaty trading on PoE

[lucid herald]

Yeah, most of my time in game was spent before CoF existed and I just love the loot grind

[quick wraith]

Think I'm going to try out the crazy primalist bear build first then the new rogue stuff 2nd class

[tall lagoon]

I play MG because it's easier to get my build going and it's fun finding items that are worth a lot on the market. Widens the pool of things to get excited about

[frosty ridge]

^^^ this

[lucid herald]

Wait for full patch notes, if there's something broken it might get nerfed

[quick wraith]

yea true do you know when notes are?

[night marten]

100% chance bear get nerfed at some level between s3 and s4

they are friday

[ancient surge]

Friday

[lucid herald]

Fair enough I just love the feeling of getting a lucky rare drop and being able to build a whole character around that

[ancient surge]

Probably Friday at the same hour as every hype week post, right?

[night marten]

yeah

[quick wraith]

nice ty

[ancient surge]

Eagles answered first, so thank them 🙂

[lucid herald]

Like hey, what if I make a good 2LP titan heart and corrupt something sick on it

Then I can make a whole character around that

[fathom umbra]

Ima probs roll a spinny shadow boi, and a necro

[ancient surge]

Hmmm... who knows, maybe one day I'll go get a rune of corruption to apply to my sexy 3LP Titan heart with 2 T7 affix hits and the 3rd also being what I wanted back then.

[quick wraith]

I assume the new classes will be in expansion so 2 more seasons basically?

[ancient surge]

Maybe even later

[quick wraith]

ah ok

[fathom umbra]

A good chance at expansion at least

but who knows

Still a year out

[ancient surge]

All we know for certain is the roadmap which guarantees seasons 4 and 5. We don't know for sure if season 6 will be expansion season or anything... yet

[fathom umbra]

from memory, you could see seaosn 6 (but barely) right after the expac, so who knows that what implies, roadmap is not absolute, but a reference

[ancient surge]

From recent talks here in discord it seems to be a consensus that seasons 4 and 5 are sorta set in stone and anything after is on an intent basis.

Kind of like a weather forecast :p

[fathom umbra]

S4/s5 are less as likely to drastically change yes, but who knows, but LE:O and onward is a enigma

[inner finch]

Strap in, there's a lot more purple where this came from

[sturdy socket]

I'm never going to stop playing LE as long as the crafting is this free

[fathom umbra]

What, no different color- helltides ? -s

[muted cape]

Hmm a non minion hype day update 😱

[coarse swallow]

There's always room for more purple

[primal abyss]

[turbid silo]

🟣

[fathom umbra]

🟪

[open tartan]

No changes for necro ? Wondering spirits ?

[turbid silo]

So much purple!

[ancient surge]

<insert most purple in here>

[turbid silo]

More class changes, balance updates, etc. will drop on Friday in the patch notes

[open tartan]

Ok thank you

[zinc blaze]

[turbid silo]

No prob!

[frosty ridge]

shatterstrike proccing glacier via ice spike is all i needed to see 👍

[wispy notch]

The more teasers I see, the less likely my plans are to survive patch notes. Too many ideas for build concepts. (Not good ideas, just a lot of them)

[zinc blaze]

but thats half the fun, theory craftin as more and more stuff gets teased

[fair wing]

you know what they say about purple, its the color of royality.

[vocal sonnet]

I dislike the trading on this game, if I cant no life it for 3 days at the beginning I get priced out of everything

Cof just feels much better

[primal abyss]

Lizard gang~ Hiii

I will be starting CoF this season as I've historically start as MG but have to switch it up this time

[fair wing]

I tried starting cof last season to try it, I quickly switched back to mg 😄

i might try doing cof at the end of the season when I get bored

[primal abyss]

I understand

[fair wing]

the diablo3 in me was like, this is just slowing me down

😂

[primal abyss]

LOL

I

[ancient surge]

Nothing wrong in pacing oneself.

[primal abyss]

have just gotten used to MG as of recent years but with CoF, that item dropping..

It just hits when a whole set drops.

[fair wing]

basically the same, i didnt know the system and it was slowing me down

i told myself this season after i solo uber abby ill do cof

[ancient surge]

It's kind of funny that the items faction interaction part of CoF (prophecies) is probably faster to get done than selling an item on the market. You can do it every so often for a downtime of picking your prophecies and then forget about it for... I suppose 10 hours of game time?

[fair wing]

well.... that never happened

so here we are!

😂

[red fox]

Nvm on what i said earlier shatter strike it is

[strange umbra]

MG FOR LIFE

[ancient surge]

Sure feels nice to drop 150% (2-3) of a boss unique, especially with uber abby.

[strange umbra]

I need to get the MG faction logo as another LE tattoo...

[ancient surge]

In the end, to each their own.

[fair wing]

yooo, that would be leet. I almost got the free d4 one but I didnt go to the launch event 🙁

my wife was like, nope

😂

I Was like but but, I got invited

[red fox]

Change wife, get tatoo, smart

[strange umbra]

I have the "epoch" compass from our 1.2 logo (the teal/blue one) on top of my right hand

[fair wing]

but i wub her 🙁

[fair wing]

it would have been my first tat

i was totally going to get it

[strange umbra]

I have oh so many now lmao

[fair wing]

the D2R one

[strange umbra]

lots of muffins lol

[fair wing]

but all I got was the tee-shirt

[frosty ridge]

when does the nda for the ct testers for season 4 end?

or embargo or w/e yall call it

[fair wing]

kinda breaking it now just asking that question in chat Kappa

isnt there a "you cant tell anyone your in the ct" clause?

[night marten]

technically never

[frosty ridge]

Historically the maxroll guys publish their guides a couple days before the season

that’s what I was asking

like the embargo for season 4

[fair wing]

ahh i get it

[frosty ridge]

Didn’t mean the actual NDA lol

[night marten]

CT players cannot make content for the game. we are not allowed. but in reality anything after patch notes drops gets kinda grey cuz all the info is out there. CT players just cant be like "I used this in CT and did 1354143785billion damage"

[strange umbra]

they are not part of CT

[night marten]

not anymore, anyways

[strange umbra]

[frosty ridge]

ok I see.

[night marten]

but with notes now 6 days before launch, build guides still get out

[strange umbra]

Starting with 1.3 - content creators are no longer in CT

[fair wing]

I would just be careful with anything that was in the CT that got pushed or isnt announced.

[strange umbra]

ya patch notes friday wooo

[fair wing]

leeeekkkzzzzzz

[inner finch]

Im willing to take a break from Crimson Desert just to read them, EHG. Know that its a high level of regard

[frosty ridge]

Let me rephrase. Historically before the season comes out ppl be like oh this build is great I was able to do xyz with it in season 4 play test. Will we get that for season 4 as well?

[night marten]

we dont get anything for future seasons. lol. we are just as much in the dark as you all are for s5. just the roadmap

[night marten]

no, because no one in CT allowed to make those build guides saying 'i did this in CT'

[fair wing]

so no systems get pushed to season 5 that are in CT? wow, thats neat!

[night marten]

im sure they have stuff internally that didnt get pushed to CT or they cut behind the scenes

like we know they have their own internal build that they mess with outside of live and CT versions

the devs talk aboutit all the time

[fair wing]

so it has to be confirmed for the season before they push it to ct, okay good to know 🙂

[night marten]

mike has said on stream he is working on s6 stuff so they have tons of stuff in the pipeline

[fair wing]

I'm just trying to understand the scope of the CT thats all. No worries.

[frosty ridge]

Ahh I see so with 1.3 no content creators in ct

[spice cobalt]

Someone's probably already made this joke but
will Omen Windows run on Linux?

[fair wing]

only if you have enough WINE. Kappa

https://tenor.com/view/fozzy-fozzie-bear-fozzy-bear-fozzie-muppets-gif-9055812099601683817

okay I know my joke was bad but I didnt mean to kill the convo 😂 my bad

[ashen hare]

Doesn't stop ct players from just leaking everything to content creators though smile

[fair wing]

I mean honestly, you should respect what you agreed to

[night marten]

true, though would be pretty hard to prove i would imagine, unless you have some beans you want to spill?

[primal abyss]

The other thing worse than that is evoking the wrath of the "You shouldn't have done this."

[ashen hare]

Yeah thats the thing, theres nothing to really stop it between friends. Happened for the abberoth race and happens pretty much every season. Its why im not personally a fan of the change because it doesn't stop what it was meant to stop

[night marten]

do you have proof?

or just acusations?

also aberroth was still before the ct content creator purge

[ashen hare]

Yeah but all of the info on abberoth was known well ahead of launch

[fair wing]

My names bennet and I'm not in it. steps away 😂

[ashen hare]

Same thing happens in poe as well, the info is leaked out every season

[night marten]

so no proof then?

at all?

[ashen hare]

I mean I think that both of us know this is true

[night marten]

so no proof

got it

just acusations

[fair wing]

so ahhhh, hows the weather everyone

😂

[muted cape]

pretty chilly out

[primal abyss]

I'd step in to say, should any of this happen please be sure to report it to us directly. Modmail is a good option for said things.

[west ivy]

"someone played the game better than I did, therefore they cheated" is definitely a very normal thing to think /s

[wicked violet]

Even if it is true, the content creators not being CT limits the amount of knowledge being widespread as people being told NDA info likely wouldn't share it on socials and such to avoid people knowing.

[muted cape]

@ashen hare kain made a post about your concerns yesterday, ct is very tight right now, and there is only a select few people trusted in the community to even be apart of ct now.

[fair wing]

I feel personally attacked by this statement

[primal abyss]

You too, huh?

This is a joke.

[wicked violet]

As much as I dislike the decision to do so

[muted cape]

You can expect a severe drop in ct leaks over the past CT program.

[ashen hare]

Thats good at least, I haven't really kept up recently on it. I can tell you the nda meant nothing in the past to some people

[wicked violet]

Tbf EHG was leaking their own info just as much in S2

[muted cape]

btw in two days we know everything so...

[inner finch]

Im at a point where I dont even care a group of players have "competitive advantage" or "solved the game" as long as they provide critical feedback and bugreport

[ashen hare]

But if it stops the "hope you know people" content creator circus thats good. I still dont like the change but it involves less pvp then

[inner finch]

its a sacrifice im willing to take

[fair wing]

I was going to say this but I didnt want to step in it so ty for saying it. 😂

[wicked violet]

and then most of the content will get published by data miners regardless

[night marten]

the real reason they stopped podcast interviews /s

[muted cape]

data mining is the only thing that will be "leaked"

[fair wing]

would be nice if we could have both but i get it

[primal abyss]

I also will insert myself at this point to say... if you have neat suggestions or feedback.... you know where to drop'em! #suggestions #feedback 👀

[ashen hare]

Yeah but theres a difference between knowing everything and having videos of the pinnacle boss and all their attacks along with knowledge of what builds work well

[night marten]

i mean we arent allowed to race anyways so

[frosty ridge]

new season = new drama. best content

[turbid silo]

This for sure. We do export them weekly to get them infront of the devs 🙂

[primal abyss]

These back be in or out of game pertaining to anything.

[night marten]

this isnt even new drama. its old drama from seasons ago based on a maybe acusation with no proof

just vibes

[south moat]

I'll vibe alright

[primal abyss]

nub!

[wicked violet]

It's okay all the people in CT are plebs anyway 😉

[inner finch]

REAL

[ashen hare]

I wouldn't really say its drama, its more of a talking point. I haven't kept up with who is still in CT and who isn't recently but it has been one very annoying aspect of le launches

[muted cape]

yeah well i'll keep in eye out if that happens.

[south moat]

Hello hello, just got done with wednesday games with friends
gonna check out the news shortly

[night marten]

i accept this

[primal abyss]

Coolio. Wait what games?

[south moat]

First need to get some eggs from the store

[primal abyss]

I thought eggs came from chickens...

[south moat]

We were playing Warhammer 40,000_ Space Marine 2

[bronze turtle]

im sure i know the answer, but the frost claws node in meteor, im assuming the frost claw it spanws will be tied to the frost claw tree if you spec into it right?

[night marten]

yes

same goes for all procd skills

[bronze turtle]

ok thats what i thought thank you

[quick snow]

unless it specifically says "when you cast frost claw"

[long spindle]

ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ

[bronze turtle]

makes sense, just curious because i was tempted to go back to my fire warpath pally, but i kind of like the new shatter strike stuff and i like the idea of that meteor node

[primal abyss]

Great game choice. Well done

excited some of the Mage stuff has folks asking questions

[frosty ridge]

as a player seeing what build is great in the new season was great but i can see how annoying it can be if only some content creators were part of ct

[ashen hare]

Yea the old setup was a bit annoying with only some being in. I still think the CT changes suck but it is what it is

[strange umbra]

LOOK WHO IT IS

[south moat]

I have some issues with it but it has mostly been good

[ashen hare]

Hi muffin

[south moat]

Is it muffin?

[strange umbra]

the OVERWHELMING feedback we got from players was not about "some" content creators getting in and not others

It was about how the patch was "completely solved" long before launch so there was (from the feedback) no reason to do any experimentation

[inner finch]

Well, some of it is due to players not only solving it, but having very advanced, far reaching platforms to publish it

im not gonna say maxroll, but maxroll

This directly translates to their income

BUT even than - if you can fix a bug for a unique that makes it work, where it would have not worked otherwise? im willing to bite

[ashen hare]

My frogs wouldn't have sucked for a few days post launch :c

The whiplash i got at the start of last season was insane

[bronze turtle]

i think if anything, the ct program could have been something to test like changes, but it should not be able to give them access to fight the new season stuff basically. could give them the ability to fight aberroth with the new meteor talent lets say, but they cant use it to fight the new omens

[wicked violet]

The perception of a solved patch might have changed, but I'm not sure it did in reality. Looking at S3

[frosty ridge]

this. for season 2 i saw on maxroll they were like erasing strike and they showed the abbertoh fight and i was like say less lol played that

[inner finch]

Yeah i remember FrogGate

[ashen hare]

At least there great now (minus Uber abberoth 1 shotting them)

[frosty ridge]

im also not buying the whole everything gets solves. in these types of games once a hard meta gets discovered everyone rerolls to that anyway weather that be a day here and there

just wait for the fubgun video

[inner finch]

The real people who solve stuff are people like Frozen lol

its tech that usually appears 3-4-5 weeks into a season

[ashen hare]

Yeah honestly this is what most creators want. I do not care in the slightest to test the new content. I just want to hit the dummy with a skill and see if id want to make a build guide on it. I hate risk and having to pray something works (frog ai being completely unplayable in s3) ultra sucks

[wicked violet]

I mean, there might be a couple missed builds but most of the maxroll tier list was out and structured before the patch dropped and didn't change much

It was the same in S2 as well. They can't discover every build but most of the meta will be obvious

[inner finch]

LE is definitely not D4, ill tell you that

[wicked violet]

And the rest fills in over the course of a week with offline mods

[frosty ridge]

thats what im saying so the whole game gets solved before the patch im not buying because how many days into the new season people figure out whats good. like 6 hours lol

[ashen hare]

Theres also 2 types of people, the ones who care about that and those who dont. I'd say most people are of the 2nd mindset and just want to do something that looks fun. Honestly the people who care about the ultra giga meta of death are just a very very loud minority

[wicked violet]

Yupp

[severe socket]

👋

[inner finch]

This is why im sort of putting people like Aaron on a higher regard. He cares enough to actually bash his head against possible solution until stuff clicks, even if its fairly under the radar

and others who are willing to give birth to different styles of gameplay despite it not being shown much

[vocal sonnet]

im semi excited, been a while since Ive played an arpg

[frosty ridge]

that is also true but if you have limited time to play there is value in knowing weather something is good or not

[ashen hare]

Oh god the minroll tier lists icant

[fair wing]

killing the mystry does kill the discover fun for sure.

[inner finch]

The new idol system alone is going to shove soooo much coal into theorycrafting of builds in S4, i can already see it

[severe socket]

From my own standpoint, different playstyles are okayish as long as they don't contradict the mastery's primary purpose.

[wicked violet]

I mean it's fairly accurate.

[ashen hare]

Depends on what that means for someone, good night just mean being pog at mapping or killing abberoth

[severe socket]

Again and again and AGAIN I refer to Ravager's Dart and JBK in regard to what those two do to Marksman as a whole.

[vocal sonnet]

this is a great point, people basically just followed guides on release because everything was always min maxed

[wicked violet]

and people still will 😛

[night marten]

(people do this anyways)

[ashen hare]

Vk autobomber is a c tier build while forged armor is an ultra s tier build

[vocal sonnet]

tbh I do it

[inner finch]

We know from LE's published statistics just how powerful buildguide-following is

Just look at the numbers

[vocal sonnet]

makes it a bit more boring but its better than working on a bad build

[night marten]

maybe ever so slightly less now but. yeah its always going to be a thing

[wicked violet]

in what category?

[severe socket]

...I wish Smelter's Wrath was akin to Holy Aura but for forged stuff like weapons and shields and MA and whatnot.

[ashen hare]

Oh sorry, dive bomb was a b tier build when it had several infinite dps bugs

[severe socket]

To complement the summoner-like playstyle.

Its current iteration is a wtf, really.

[vocal sonnet]

looks like im mage or sentinel this patch

[inner finch]

There's a new summoner playstyle now lol

buff projectiles they shoot

[vocal sonnet]

is there true summoner builds nowadays there really wasnt last time I played

[strange umbra]

I cannot wait to play Skelly Mage Death Knights + Hungering Souls

[wicked violet]

yeah, which was discovered and corrected after the patch

[strange umbra]

just skull projectiles EVERYWHERE

lol

its going to be my season starter

[vocal sonnet]

I just want something thats not too hard to play and it chill to farm with, its semi fast in maps and can kill bosses

[wicked violet]

The lists aren't all encompassing, as I said things can be missed but the majority of it is accurate

[inner finch]

Muffin, tell everyone at EHG that they should totally buff and enable larger armies of archer skellies, i want a whole guild of them behind me just raining arrows everywhere

[strange umbra]

Skelly Mage DKs use your Hungering Souls tree now in 1.4 🙂

[ashen hare]

Nah, it very much stayed where they put it even after the fact, idk i just think tier lists are a funny concept in general

[strange umbra]

I will say an @ashen hare guide has never let me down

in any ARPG

S+ Tier written guides especially for people who do not favor videos

[wicked violet]

they are but people like them

[severe socket]

Muffin, would you be interested in Smelter's Wrath directly buffing forged creations similar to Surge or Holy Aura?

[wicked violet]

and I remember terek and liz analyzing that build after juse made the vid on dive bomb tech

[inner finch]

Muffin, i got another billion dollar idea for a minion - skeleton cheerleaders

[wicked violet]

thought they had moved it up. I know people where using AHK/Macros for that build tho

[ashen hare]

Yeah, it is what it is, im not a fan of it. I think they are more problematic than "the game is solved here's the """best""" build"

[severe socket]

...at this rate we'll be questioning their hip-to-spine ratios...

[ashen hare]

Awww

[wicked violet]

I don't see them as problematic, people like a defined meta and safe choices. If you don't care they are easily ignored

[ancient surge]

Written guides are probably my go to for the sole reason that I have the information at a glance so it's easy for me to search through text for what I'm interested in some situation. I always take my information with a pinch of salt and that goes with build guides, but there are some sources out there that have not failed me yet.

[ashen hare]

Not when you're a content creator

Allie allie did you see the tierlist?

Allie what about the list

[primal abyss]

Heresy but I understand...

[severe socket]

Hiya Van.

[primal abyss]

Heyas Shadow!

[wicked violet]

Yeah but that just comes with the job. You also get repeated stupid questions and people calling your builds bad 😛 It's annoying for anyone who does content creation

[willow sentinel]

@primal abyss in the news, Justin Ryder as in EHG Justin?

[ashen hare]

True

[inner finch]

Justin Ryder is such a cool name

[primal abyss]

FUN FACT. We have MORE than one Justin

[severe socket]

PAW PATROL!

[inner finch]

im a bad uncle. is it from there?

[severe socket]

Ryder is the main character in that show, so... maybe? >.<

[inner finch]

Justin Ryder sounds like an action movie protagonist

[ancient surge]

The problem with "solved meta" is not mine to care for. Enough restraint to pick something that I find fun, not the #1 top pick. Kind of how this last poe2 season (probably also my fully last contact with that franchise), followed a slightly niche build that cost me maybe 1 mirror worth of gear that obliterated the whole content. Then I get to laugh at people investing way more for less success because they went for the hottest build out there.

[frosty ridge]

just dont make a bad build

[merry abyss]

I think the Justin you mean is no UI Dev, he's responsible for game design/balance etc. no?

[wicked violet]

easier said than done 🙃

[pine herald]

I guess one of EHG members here are UI developer, is that him?

[strange umbra]

we have 2

@uncut kiln is the one announced in #news haha

[muted cape]

you look better in red, then in green, you give conquerers haki energy

[wicked violet]

I was about to say I think it's Agent 😛

[strange umbra]

GUM GUM GATTLING

[merry abyss]

yep i mean the other one 🙂

[south moat]

Controls really

[ancient surge]

Quick question, is CDT the same as CST? I am talking about the news post about the upcoming stream.

[uncut kiln]

Ya, I'll be on dev stream. I am not EHG_Justin, but I am a Justin at EHG 😛

[strange umbra]

the one in the news is correct with a correct title - @chilly fiber is a Designer yes

[muted cape]

jet pistol!

ready to smash me sum omen monsters lol

[ashen hare]

[muted cape]

jusception

[uncut kiln]

fun fact: EHG_Justin has a dog for his slack profile picture and i've always used a cat for my slack profile picture, so people in the office call him Dog Justin and me Cat Justin to differentiate us

[ashen hare]

My #2 favorite dev behind foton

[ancient surge]

Well, found out on my own, it's a 1 hour time difference. Thankfully, there's an event about it that is timestamped so I don't have to go figure out timzeones :p

[strange umbra]

after 18yrs of marriage - my wife came to me a few weeks ago talking about how a new coworker who sits next to her "had some fun cartoon wanted posters on his desk, and one of them was a cute reindeer but wasnt worth much cuz shes just the doctor" - and asked me if I knew what that was about

.... yes... yes I do

and she decided she wanted to watch it - so after the 18yrs shes finally watching anime with me 😛 starting from the beginning - well be done in a few years 😛

[ashen hare]

(Muffin don't murder me you're #0)

[night marten]

it is the same tiemzone...but one is daylight saving on, and one is daylight savings off

[uncut kiln]

0-based counting of devs is baseg, programmer approved

[strange umbra]

technically Foton isnt a dev so I can sitll be #1

lol

[ancient surge]

Thank you, yeah, looked it up. The news post in discord here was what caused me to even ask.

[night marten]

yeah. no one likes DST. one day it will be destroyed with extreme prejudice

[ancient surge]

Here's hoping and I shall join that cause!

[muted cape]

muffin bro.... im gonna start mine some day we pushing 1200 episodes rofl

[wicked violet]

I've slowly gotten to post war arc

@muted cape just watch muhn or one pace

[severe socket]

I just want to know why does the team withhold further story chapters.

[muted cape]

def not anytime soon season 4 im gonna be on this for awhile LOL

[severe socket]

Writer's block or something, perhaps?

[muted cape]

ye delays ect...

[pine herald]

Don't think loremaster will answer that

[muted cape]

but just know the longer something cooks the more fire it will be!

[muted cape]

ohh its so manga chapters can be far enough along to release anime episodes if thats what you mean

[night marten]

nvm yall aint even talking about the game.

lol

[severe socket]

Nah, I wouldn't bet on that...

[ancient surge]

To be fair, after the lore discussion here earlier today, fairly sure the story so far makes it kind of a tightrope to keep fully covered and that takes effort to iron out such that we won't come in here talking about plot holes later down the line :p
And if anything, EHG has been spoiling us with their efforts on delivering quality. That does come with the caveat of raising expectations.

[muted cape]

season 3 with chapter 10 lore was solid

[ember viper]

Hello, along with other LE players, we are wondering if brutality applies to bleed or any other food (frostbyte, ignite etc.) if it is applied via a melee attack? Personally, I think not.

[primal abyss]

It does

[ember viper]

Work or not ?

[heady night]

im so happy we get shadow rend early

[primal abyss]

It should apply

[heady night]

🙂

[primal abyss]

Shadow Rend early?

[ember viper]

Okay, I was wrong, thank you.

[night marten]

Early lvl. Its like 7 or somethin

Mike posted the unlocks

[primal abyss]

I totally read that wrong hahaha

[night marten]

Yeeeaaah. I had a feeling

[heady night]

Shurikens lvl 2
Shadow Rend lvl 3
Acid Flask lvl 4
Puncture lvl 5
Shift lvl 6
Cinder Strike lvl 7
Decoy lvl 16

Smoke Bomb Rogue 5
Bladestorm Rogue 10
Ballista Rogue 15
Umbral Blades Rogue 20

level 3

super early

[night marten]

The only problem with the lore currently, is that orobyss is his own origin story. And thats just an unfortunate time travel shenanigan

[willow sentinel]

Kid > Asleep
Inlaws > in their room
Wife > in front of the tv

Time to read properly the hype post 😄

[turbid silo]

The stars have aligned!

[willow sentinel]

Wait a minute

Where does that giant snek come from ???

[night marten]

Thats a wonderful question

I assume its a titan of somesort

[willow sentinel]

Thats area overall looks really nice

[ashen hare]

I tried looking but I couldnt find it, maybe im just blind, are the patch notes coming out friday after the dev stream?

[willow sentinel]

They should come out at the same time as we get the hype posts

So Mike can spend the whole stream answering questions about them 😅

[south moat]

Poor Mike

[ashen hare]

tyyy

i hate the hype post today

[willow sentinel]

Oo

[ashen hare]

because i am now forced to wait 3 days to know which flavor of old man stacks x stat im going to play

:(

well 2

[willow sentinel]

Mage hyped ?

[ashen hare]

i was going to play the rogue skill but im not as interested anymore

maybe the skill tree will change that because the shadow set is neat

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, Spellblade proccs 10 000 spells go brrrr

[ashen hare]

but old man stacks cold res or old man stacks mana looks more appealing (for the 6th time because i have a problem)

[willow sentinel]

Cold Res ?

What for ?

Cold Aura ?

[ashen hare]

yea

[willow sentinel]

Think its better than Fire ?

[ashen hare]

for dmg no, but i feel like you will be paper if you dont go cold and abuse frostbite shackles

[willow sentinel]

Hummm

Judd trying to get his favourite skill buffed to meta ^^

[rotund bay]

bluefeather band suddenly a meta item

[wispy notch]

I'm looking forward to seeing the condensed Volcanic Orb tree. Got a soft spot for shrapnel based cold orb, rather than the DoT stacking variant (Frozen Orb goes brrrr).

[vocal sonnet]

Pls make meteor meta

its cool af

[night marten]

💡

[willow sentinel]

It cant be cool

It doesnt have a cold conversion

[wispy notch]

Please? Cold craterborn, thank you very much.

Not to mention the teleport synergy for mana recovery that you can do with Meteor. If nothing else, Meteor has some neat utility.

[lost elk]

Ruby Rhod hot hot hot.gif

[low cradle]

@night marten Oh so it was a class update

😸

[muted cape]

minion builds ftw

[south moat]

I guess no.

[sudden canopy]

any chance the proper or long term fix has a eta on it? no rush, it's just cosmetics, just curious 😄

[south moat]

If you're actually looking to get hired you'd probably look at their site and see that they are actually hiring.

[maiden sky]

I mean at least there is a way to solve that bug. I just want all my back attachments fixed! Help me not be so insane swapping every two maps! Please save me from me! 😉

[night marten]

next season

so like, 7.5 days or so

[low cradle]

Am I the only one who finds it weird they talk about rogue passive changes, but don't show us any?

[simple bison]

Wdym? They showed a bunch in today's post

Ah rogue passives

[willow sentinel]

So ... mister ShatterStrike

How is it going ?

[night marten]

i find it weird that after 4 seasons of this people are still surprised they save things for patch notes

[simple bison]

Where did they talk about rogue passives?

[willow sentinel]

👀

[low cradle]

they usually show at least one passive

[simple bison]

My lips are sealed 😔

[low cradle]

especailly when some people weren't even sure rogues passives were being updates

[willow sentinel]

Just asking how you are doing

[low cradle]

😀

[willow sentinel]

You could be having a shattering day

Glowing with your Aura

[simple bison]

Do we know if they are?

[willow sentinel]

Weather outside is as cold as a Glacier

[low cradle]

it's in the post.

[willow sentinel]

But that storm had some nasty Lightning Blast

[low cradle]

It was just like a lightning blast when i shatter striked my pants.

[simple bison]

The post just talks about the new rogue skills though, it has no mention of rogues passive trees as far as I can see. Am I missing something?

[night marten]

passives get updated every season for classes

balance changes happen every season

[low cradle]

oh your right post says nothing about rogue passives

Just that old skills are being touched.

Which you'd reallly assume passives.

[simple bison]

Old skills in general, like mana strike for mage

[low cradle]

and mike has specifically talked about how bd has no real masteries on stream before

bd/rogue's passive tree are actually outdated with marksman being like half outdated.

[simple bison]

And umbral blades, etc

I mean it's possible things outside of the post change as well. It's not like they're gonna basically give us the entirety of the skill/passive patch notes in a hype post

We'll have those on Friday

[willow sentinel]

Hopefully Dammit can update the planner really fast

[low cradle]

yeah lol it just feels like if they do just these and don't fix the passive structure (Shaman was the opposite.) It'll be as tone deaf as the shaman update for rogue players.

bad synch strike, and umbral blades gets to be a skill

[simple bison]

They did remove the cooldown from dancing strikes so maybe that'll be something now finally

[low cradle]

where was that?

[simple bison]

That was a while ago in one of the streams

[willow sentinel]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-weve-sprung-a-leak/79956

Somewhere in there

[low cradle]

funny to see people complaining about ds on the post than

oh fire aura for real seems like a genuine threat this time

[simple bison]

Not everyone reads everything. Which is why you shouldn't assume that what you read is everything that's happening

[low cradle]

you need to build for it but it looks doable

[simple bison]

And even if you have read everything so far, they haven't told us everything that's happening until we get the full patch notes on Friday.

[low cradle]

what lol

they literally have the balde dancer passive preview in here

XD

[simple bison]

I'm saying there might be even more changes that haven't been mentioned anywhere yet

[simple jolt]

is shadow daggers back on the menu?

[signal mica]

Why not

[rancid pulsar]

never left

[toxic schooner]

shadow daggers has never been bad as long as far as ive known, i do think it might be a top contender for farming 1k coruption now, i dont know if anything in the rouges arsenal is going to beat zhp ballista though at super high end corruption

kinda hard to beat something that can off screen enemies 2-3 screens away, and doesnt have to build defenses

and can clear an entire echo in under a minute

[signal mica]

Dang

[short vessel]

god looking at some of the primordial items confuses me

why are some of the ones with procs so absurdly limited

[toxic schooner]

example?

[short vessel]

the hell is this 2 per 16 seconds for flame ward on horn of the bone wisp

[toxic schooner]

to prevent you from getting 10 procs a second

like we used to with advent of the erased and multishot/flurry for example

[zinc crest]

the shield w/ like 3 vengeance attacks after a movement skill every 12 seconds also is kinda sad

[toxic schooner]

allowing bow players to easily hit 50k ward

[short vessel]

sure, but why is it 2 per 16 seconds

[toxic schooner]

you mean instead of 1 and 8?

[short vessel]

why is the max proc rate a <50% uptime on a defensive layer

[toxic schooner]

there was probably an interaction they found durring testing that forced them to do that instead of giving 100 percent uptime

[short vessel]

actually

[toxic schooner]

again, like the advent of the erased boots

[short vessel]

flame ward never has 100% uptime

it's just really busted

for mage in general

i guess

idk the item is really weird

it has a bunch of minion stuff on it

[toxic schooner]

can flame ward get shared to minions by any chance?

because they might be trying to keep you from giving it to ALL your minions

[short vessel]

only through them passing through frost wall

so it could do that anyway

wait

no

cos mage has no minions

[toxic schooner]

idk, it sounds like a question for the creator of the item/balancing team to answer

im not super familiar with mage items

mage and primalist are nearly untouched for me

[short vessel]

So it seems like a mage item item that has some minion stuff on it so necro could get some use out of it

[toxic schooner]

well, i mean there are multiple ways to get minions or minion scaling on mage and mage skills

and im sure they also plan to add other ways to get minions in the future too for mages

[short vessel]

Cos being able to proc flame ward 2x every 16 seconds plus casting it off cd every like 15 seconds is much higher benefit to mage than just the proc for necro

[short onyx]

Some items also have stats just so you can use them as high LP stat sticks

[short vessel]

Onslaught of cerrata one is definitely very sad tho

[short vessel]

Well aware but that's almost never gonna be worth burning your primordial slot on

[toxic schooner]

thats just dependant upon what your build already REQUIRES, vs what other options are available i guess

like in the case of mana flay lich you need army of skin, and you need the executioners tithe

so you only have a couple options for other item slots

maybe there is another build that can only slot that item as its primordial that would also benifit from the minion stats

or maybe its just a bad item

also an option

some items are just less efficient than others

but they serve as replacements until you get something else

[strange umbra]

PATCH NOTES WHEN

https://tenor.com/jrUhsmjPaPx.gif

[toxic schooner]

muffin you can dm me them

i wont share them

i promis

e

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/bjcft.gif

[toxic schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-exile-poe-jonathan-vision-poe2-gif-11891461211906223399

then tell me at least that i can still use arial assult to proc blade storms

i need to know

XD

[willow sentinel]

Just want to make sure there is no typo

[inner finch]

I have the patch notes, i will release them if EHG doesnt give the Falcon a node that turns it into a giant flying dragon that breaths fire

[toxic schooner]

cosmetic request for ehg, to make the loot lizards the lizard from "Hoppers" and add a "lizard" sound when they spawn/die

https://klipy.com/gifs/lizard-lizard-lizard-button

i wish there was a mourningfrost item but for other damage types

would be sick to have one for fire damage and lightning damage

[heady night]

i thought the season started on friday

lol i wouldbe been soo mad if i didnt realize

[inner finch]

im not sure EHG is ready to pull a weekend of not resting

unfortunately, it seems like they are going to have to

[night marten]

They always have staff avail on release weekend

[strange umbra]

yup yup

[willow sentinel]

U know whats beautiful

[tender marsh]

Earthquake

Such lovely destruction

[willow sentinel]

I usually finish work at 5pm, right when patch should drop

But on thursday I finish at 4pm 😄

[toxic schooner]

noice

[willow sentinel]

Will be able to spam the refresh button

[toxic schooner]

and youll be just in time to get stuck in first town XD

god i hope that doesnt happen again

[tender marsh]

I'm so excited. I will push my DoT Quacker to it's limit this season. If I can make it pass 1300c. I shall rename it to the "Pyroclasm Primalist" and share it with the community

[toxic schooner]

im torn between starting paladin, rogue, or acolyte

those patch notes cant come soon enough

maybe if we incite a riot ehg will release them early?

hypothetically speaking ofc

[tender marsh]

The patch notes don't mean much to me as primalist and harmony of the first one are most likely completely untouched

[toxic schooner]

^"famous last words" - a person who thought flurry/multishot was going to live in season 1

[tender marsh]

difference. harmony of the first one is already self-restricting. And earthquake is borderline ass

due to it's stupidly insane mana cost

[toxic schooner]

yea, but does it use any uniques that other classes/builds utilize often

[tender marsh]

no just red ring. as you want as many blue pieces of gear as possible to amplify your harmony of the first one

[toxic schooner]

sounds interesting

havent tried it

i try to stick to my fast builds

[tender marsh]

it's a extremely fun weapon to build around. It does require it to be at least 2LP tho for it to be good

[toxic schooner]

shadow dagger falconer, allie's autobomber, flay lich, etc

[tender marsh]

which is like a 1 in 51 or something. not the worse

[toxic schooner]

i really like the idea of using 1 skill to trigger as many other skills as possible too

so those builds are also on my radar

[tender marsh]

Yup that is 100% what this build does

which is why you use a tier7 melee attack speed roll on your harmony of the first one. Turning that 96% attack speed into roughly 300%.

you attack so fast you love watching your character in action.

But I need to make it to 1300c. And then i'll make a complete breakdown of it public. It's actually cheap to build for as well. Which is quite amazing for something that pushes so freely

When you only need blues the amount of really good rolls on gear you get is quite high

[toxic schooner]

the build i was talking about earlier idk if you saw it or not, but it died because it just lost 99 percent of its defense in one patch due to the ward meta shift. when advent of the erased got a internal cooldown placced on it, the ward it would generate went from like 30k to 2k

it still does damage, but its just a glass cannon that cant move while casting

[tender marsh]

ouch

[toxic schooner]

yea, there was a clip from volca of him with like 50k ward i think

[tender marsh]

My build uses a combination of HP regen and leech

[toxic schooner]

at 50k ward you really can just faccetank anything tho, so i understand the nerf

[tender marsh]

yeah when your HP be it red or blue goes above 7k you kinda break the game

[toxic schooner]

here lately they have just been breaking it with pure dps and aoe so, i mean there will likely always be a way to

[tender marsh]

Most red HP i've gotten tho is on my harmony of the first ones build. Got to 4377. It was glorious

[toxic schooner]

speaking of zhp ballista falconer in particular ofc

most ive gotten was a judgement paladin with 4.4 i think

so roughly the same

[strange umbra]

WOOO SKELLY MAGE DEATH KNIGHT HYPE

cant wait to play next week 🙂

[signal mica]

Yep

Feels like I am 41 already, world is going to shit, time with loved ones and some gaming fun really helps.

[broken trench]

[strange umbra]

[ionic vale]

what’s the date for patch notes?

[strange umbra]

Friday 🙂

[ionic vale]

yay

[ancient surge]

The ward "nerf" was necessary. Because of how ward works in LE, it is not an extra HP buffer, it's a whole defensive layer that can work much better than health and leech with its source of gaining being flat numbers and also being uncapped in a hard cap sense. The algorithmic soft cap works well enough today, you can reach around 5k ward if you try hard enough and typically going for ward means forsaking most health regain methods and thus losing health means you're dead more often than not.

[lucid herald]

ward is a weird mechanic

if it ever reaches a critical mass then you essentially become unkillable but it walks a fine line between unusable and broken

i think 0.7 was the patch where ward was in its healthiest state. pre runemaster release but at the tail end of lich's dominant era

[simple bison]

5k is extremely conservative, you can still get over 10k

[ancient surge]

I said 5k as a rough estimate of what I remember from playing lightning blast months ago. I think I saw some 7k on occasion, but it's also not like I would fully rev it, having a significant on cast or hit generator. I think the peaks were due to reowyn's fortress or whatnot that invocation is.
For general purposes, I'd run around with ward within the 5k area. And the build was more focused on glass cannon than defenses.

[severe socket]

I recall building my spellblade into essentially a Leyden jar.

Mana Strike with lightning sparks and tons of ward generation.

[ancient surge]

That's probably one of the best descriptions of how a build felt I've seen... ever. (if not THE best)

[severe socket]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/ShadowDweller/character/Yuanwu
IIRC, that's the one.

[crimson torrent]

hey guys, is the season reveal and patch notes tomorrow?

[severe socket]

Looks like it.

Muffin said it just a scroll above.

[ancient surge]

I almost said Friday, but I may have lost track of time, because Friday is indeed tomorrow...

[crimson torrent]

friday nz or friday us? theres a big difference in timezone lol

[ancient surge]

Look at the discord events, note the time that the season releases. It's the same time, but tomorrow that patch notes hit.

[obtuse bay]

good morning eu gang

[ancient surge]

Conversely, it's the same time of day as all the hype week posts were actually released.

[simple bison]

yeah 6pm CET has always been the time they release stuff

with patches usually being on thursdays

[ancient surge]

I struggled a bit to read a map split by time zones, but I foolishly ignored that we're currently in the fun zone of DST being applied in some places and not others of those that still follow it.

So yeah... discord time stamps are wonderful.

[simple bison]

Yeah I'm usually on CET but right now I'm one hour behind

There's also a nice timer on the website ^^

[ancient surge]

The whole reason we have UTC is because GMT and daylight savings. But we still have both the DST-adjusted time zones and the UTC relative time zones with distinct names that results in what... 48 namings with 2 per each time zone? To say it gets complicated is to put it lightly...

If I have this correctly, the following should be accurate: <t:1774022400:T>

[simple bison]

Should be one hour later

<t:1774630800:f>

for launch

oh you mean the post

yeah yours should be correct

[ancient surge]

I was more concerned about it actually translating correctly, discord time stamps are not something I've used too often. I did make it match for me such that the event on discord release time matches with what I wrote.

[severe socket]

It should.

[ancient surge]

I.e. the discord event says 18:00 for me, the hype week posts have been at 18:00 and I wrote it such that it is 18:00.

[severe socket]

For me, it says Thursday, March 26th, at 19:00. My timezone is GMT+3.

[ancient surge]

If discord itself isn't translating it properly, that is unfortunately beyond my capabilites to adjust.

[severe socket]

Unless you want to take part in a Lv100 race or whatever, I advise not to fret about it.

[ancient surge]

I prefer being accurate.

[severe socket]

Because there're absolutely bound to be issues on release.

[ancient surge]

But the point was rather that everything EHG releases has been at that same time, regardless of day.

[severe socket]

Holding back for at least a couple of hotfixes would be a good strat, imio.

[simple bison]

Weren't the last two seasons pretty smooth? I know S2 was, don't remember how S3 went

[severe socket]

Smooth on the backend side, not so much on the client side, no?

[simple bison]

Idk I had no issues whatsoever racing in S2

[severe socket]

I'm just being overly cautious.

0.9 and 1.0 flashbacks still sting, you know.

[simple bison]

Yep, you're not really losing anything tbh

[ancient surge]

Well, you were never hardened by poe seasonal launches.

LE is tame by comparison.

[simple bison]

especially if you're playing CoF, but even on MG unless you're rushing super hard to get items first to market it won't matter

[severe socket]

Eh, I've seen enough.

[simple bison]

Eh 1.0 was rough even for POE standards

[severe socket]

I've seen Wuthering Waves' release. 🙂 Was a rocky start too. I'm glad they got better. Insanely better, in fact.

[ancient surge]

There was one launch, maybe season 1 or maybe even 1.0 that I was here for and the area transition lag would get me stuck in the first areas for hours. Season 2 and 3, I forget if I was for the actual launch, but there was nothing of the sort.

At any rate, been a long time since I cared for racing. I play intensely enough, don't need no competitiveness on top of that. But accuracy in time helps everyone be on the same page.

Which is why we have discord time stamps based on epoch time.

[severe socket]

I just want them to optimize the game.

And make skills more logical, practical, and actually make sense if you know what I mean.

[ancient surge]

Hmm... it's a weird and funny thing with PC specs.

[severe socket]

Dancing Strikes is still my #1 public enemy.

[ancient surge]

I run an i7 of the 9th gen with a 3060 and keep game setting around ultra or high or whereabouts and have no issues that are not actually game issues.

But I've heard of how the newer generations of both processor and gfx card have some weird issues where they can actually run worse.

[severe socket]

I'll tell you more. My laptop has a R7-5800H, 32GB DDR4-3200, and an RTX3060. The game used to crash all the way down to 10 FPS in certain circumstances, hiccuping and stuttering in lots of other random places.

[ancient surge]

First mistake: laptop :p

[severe socket]

To make it worse, I run the game with EVERYTHING on low/disabled just to spare the hardware.

Not that it helps.

[silent pivot]

LE's performance is quite bad for what's actually "happening" in the game TBH. Luckily EHG is basically being forced to optimize everything for the PS5 release. 🙂

[ancient surge]

Any modern PC, desktop or laptop has failsafes that throttle your performance if it's overheating.

[severe socket]

The first "mistake" would be working from home or on the go.

Good luck lugging the whole tower case and a monitor with everything else attached around.

Besides, the apartment I reside in is kinda small, plus I have a rather hyperactive kid.

So double good luck with that.

[ancient surge]

I know, but such is the life of wanting to also play games on a laptop :/ You simply cannot keep the components cool enough to avoid the failsafe throttling.

[severe socket]

A laptop is literally my only viable solution.

Also, that same laptop can very much handle Wuthering Waves on ultra quality without much trouble.

[ancient surge]

Unless you have it dusted monthly, play in a cold room and the like.

[severe socket]

And this game is VERY heavy due to being an UE4 project.

Kinda doesn't make any sense, don't you think? Compared to LE.

[simple bison]

It does make sense, the two games aren't comparable

LE isn't GPU bound

wuthering waves is

[severe socket]

How so?

[ancient surge]

Yup. processor (CPU) vs GPU usage.

[broken trench]

c# bad or something

[simple bison]

If you put LE on very low settings vs ultra you'll likely not find too much of a difference

the game isn't lagging because of graphics

it's highly dependant on single core clock speed

[zenith pewter]

What’s today tease (last tease?) about?

[severe socket]

R7-5800's base clock is 3.2 GHz.

8 physical cores.

[simple bison]

LE doesn't benefit a ton from core count

[ancient surge]

I think mine's 3, lemme double-check.

[simple bison]

a lot of the heavy things can't really be multithreaded without heavy costs

[silent pivot]

clock speed doesn't really mean much, there's way more to processor performance than that single number

[severe socket]

Still doesn't explain the 10 FPS nosedive.

[ancient surge]

Confirmed, my CPU is 3 GHz per core and has no virtual cores.

I.e. 8 physical cores and 8 cores from software perspective.

[simple bison]

It does for certain applications, for LE it can make a big difference, it's pretty single core performance dependant from my experience and from what I've seen others report

[severe socket]

So no multithreading for you?

[ancient surge]

multi-threading is a thing, yes, but actually using that is... a little nightmare.

[simple bison]

Certain things can't just be divided between all your cores / threads easily and cleanly

[severe socket]

Still 37 GB to download... ugh.

[pulsar carbon]

Those Rogue and Mage changes look great. Looking forward to seeing all the nitty gritty numbers changes to passives specifically

[ancient surge]

I can understand it in that LE basically takes one of your cores and uses it exclusively in the classic single-thread mechanism.

Buuut. I have a 3GHz per core power. Shadow has 3.2 and thus higher, no?

[pulsar carbon]

I wonder how many changes Primalist, Acolyte, and Sentinel got...

[simple bison]

Like I'm running a super old setup at this point (1080 TI with a i5 6600k) and have absolutely no issue running LE at 90 or so fps pretty consistently. If I cap it at 60 fps it's super smooth

But my single thread clock speed goes up to 4 GHz

[ancient surge]

On ultra? (just double-checking)

[severe socket]

That's base clock. I see spikes around 4k give or take.

[simple bison]

Can it stay there or does it throttle after a while

[severe socket]

Pretty stable for me.

[pulsar carbon]

I have a 1660ti and my game runs a somewhat smooth 60 at medium to high gfx

[simple bison]

Laptops can rarely sustain boost clock

[severe socket]

Granted, my Victus does appear to have a more-or-less decent cooling layout for a change.

Besides, I have a cooling stand.

[simple bison]

I actually don't remember what mine boosts to, my base is around 4 since I've overclocked it

[silent pivot]

What I meant is, processors today have WAY better single-core performance than CPUs did say, 15 years ago; even if you overclocked both of them to the exact same frequency. The difference is like 3.5x-4.5x. That's what I mean when I say that single number doesn't really tell you anything useful. Knowing what year the CPU was made and how expensive it was is arguably a better indicator of performance.

[pulsar carbon]

Ultra definitely drops me down to 20-40 fps in hectic situations, I don't bother cranking it that high

[simple bison]

I can check in a bit

[ancient surge]

Consider how laptops are structured vs desktops are. Desktops use the perpendicular structure for good reason and the processor typically gets a massive heat sink.

[severe socket]

Yep, it's pretty stable around 3.9-4k GHz as I speak. For quite a while too.

[ancient surge]

Laptops... use parallel setups and the processors are rarely cooled properly.

[pulsar carbon]

The only areas that really kill my FPS are the forest echoes with a lot of foliage

[severe socket]

And it's only half-loaded.

[severe socket]

My Victus has two blowers and separate piping for GPU and CPU.

[silent pivot]

buffer sizes have increased, new instructions exist, branch prediction has improved, CPU cores can handle more instructions per cycle, etc

[severe socket]

Plus as an IT guy I'm fairly capable of servicing it on my own.

[ancient surge]

We could get technical and ask what temperatures does your CPU reach and what are its specific recommended temperatures?

[severe socket]

Mine is hovering around 71C currently.

[pulsar carbon]

That's pretty normal

[simple bison]

Well yeah obviously archetecture and instruction efficiency makes a really big difference. I'm not trying to say that at a certain clock speed LE will guaranteed run smoothly for anyone no matter their setup. Was just stating that it's pretty dependant on single core performance in general

[severe socket]

But from my knowledge Ryzen CPUs target specific temps and tune their clock to that instead of the other way around.

[ancient surge]

But peak vs specification matters

Still, you should record your maximum (peak) CPU temp under usage, such as LE.

[simple bison]

Throttle temp can vary pretty heavily, anywhere from like 80-100c lul

[severe socket]

I have Core Temp running on the background constantly. Top temp is 81C since last bootup.

[simple bison]

That's totally fine

might be throttling a little but there's no way for us to know without looking at it more closely

[ancient surge]

I'm saying that in general laptops are not known for heat dispersion efficiency, particularly under stress.

[severe socket]

Just a while ago I hit 4.3 GHz.

Oh, right, I'm using PTM7950 as a thermal solution.

[simple bison]

thing is even if your average is really good if it starts throttling you'll get hitching

[severe socket]

I've heard it's ideal for laptops.

[ancient surge]

Hence the necessity to find your peak temperatures while the machine itself is under strerss.

Was digging though my old stuff to see if I can find what I would use to stress my CPU, i.e. diagnostics tools.

[severe socket]

I know AIDA64 has a built-in stress test utility.

[ancient surge]

Ok, you can probably run that and also a temperature monitor on the side, see what results you get.

[severe socket]

Yeah, it has that.

[simple bison]

But yeah even mid echo fighting enemies my fossil of a gpu doesn't go above 70% or so, while my cpu is basically maxed out if I uncap my fps, which would result in hitching since unlike the GPU other stuff wants to have some of the cpu's attention so if they take it away from the game, the game will lag. while if you're at 100% gpu it's fine since things like opening a browser window is insanely trivial gpu wise

Most modern games are gpu bound, as in your gpu will max out before your cpu. But that's rarely the case with LE

[ancient surge]

I looked up @severe socket 's CPU specifically. According to specs, it should be designed to run at around 95 degrees and has a maximum temperature of 105 (Celsius)

[simple bison]

yeah those are normal ranges

[ancient surge]

Thing about Tmax is that hitting it means immediate machine shutdown.

Throttling comes in to try to avoid hitting it.

[severe socket]

Depends on the crystal's quality too.

[simple bison]

Throttle curves can be set by the manufacturer, some put it way low for some reason

I guess for noise reduction to try and prevent it from getting too hot and have the fans become jet engines lul

it's totally possible it's throttling at 80 degrees

[ancient surge]

On a software level, because the processor runs its on software too, that interfaces all the way to your OS, depending on setup, throttling happens when its thermal sensors tell it that it's at a temperature that it has to start throttling.
Any number of things can fail in this, down to a defective sensor.

[simple bison]

There were actually an nvidia driver not long ago that could make your laptop cook itself because it wouldn't sleep properly and apparently the temp shut off wouldn't work properly while in hibernation

[ancient surge]

One of the many. (nvidia has... a history)

[simple bison]

That's how my old laptop went o7

it lived a decently long life for how much I abused it though

(I took decent care of it, but it was basically a desktop that was plugged in most of the time for years)

[ancient surge]

I have used a laptop for the longest time myself. Kept being on edge about its inner temperatures. Once I settled enough, I bought myself a desktop and felt at ease for the first time in years...

[simple bison]

Yeah I'm on a desktop now, no worrying about temps anymore lol

[ancient surge]

I understand the need for laptops for some cases, but I would honestly only consider a laptop for gaming purposes on a strict necessity basis.

[halcyon sky]

Hey all, does anyone have the time of the season release? i know it's the 26th, but i cant really find a time + timezone info. i might just be blind tho

[ancient surge]

https://discord.com/events/368953963267096586/1483197769995915346

[halcyon sky]

that's in local time?

[ancient surge]

The above is properly timestamped.

[halcyon sky]

Great, thanks

[ancient surge]

Speaking of the discord event we use for this, I was the 42nd to be interested. Does that make me "the answer"?

[simple bison]

This is my fps chart (just using the steam one since I don't have afterburner or anything installed), the hitches in the middle was me loading in a new echo

[ancient surge]

You know, I had planned to get something done today and got caught distracted by this server specifically. So I better get to getting the things done 😒

[simple bison]

This is uncapped, hitch in the middle being a new echo again

I'll take the rock solid 60 fps over the messy 60-90 fps any time imo

and mind you both are on ultra (and in neither does my gpu hit 100%, but my cpu does hit 100 on uncapped)

[mental hound]

Quick question. Is there any adjustment in difficulty? We usually play the campaign coop with 4 players, and its a "joke". Since We get 4x the items from Nemesis and other mechanics, that we are so powerful by level 20 that the gameplay is completely obsolet until empowered monos.

Is there any change?

[halcyon sky]

It's pretty much the same on single player, so i doubt it

[simple bison]

There's been no mention of making the campaign harder so far. My opinion is that they should just keep it super easy though personally

[halcyon sky]

ngl LE campaign is the only arpg campaign i actually like doing each season, other arpgs i kinda just hate doing campaign

[simple bison]

yep I don't mind the LE campaign (I absolutely dread the poe 1 campaign x) )

[mental hound]

I love the campaign. But the game feels like it starts with empowered monos. Everything before that is basically nothing.

[halcyon sky]

you can make campaign a lot harder if you want tho by going into monoliths at like lvl 20 or whatever it is to farm dungeon keys and then dungeon skip rest of campaign

[simple bison]

Not wrong, I think that's fine personally

[halcyon sky]

I did that last season and it's much more efficient (on softcore)

[simple bison]

I mean you can always put on the veteran boots

will make the campaign harder for you

[mental hound]

True true. Valid points!

[halcyon sky]

Love the dungeon skips, adding a bunch of difficulty to greatly speed up campaign (+ you get to complete some monos already)

[simple bison]

It's kinda what they're there for. But I understand it's not the same when it's self imposed

[mental hound]

Exactly.... maybe a ruthless Mode or something like that would be nice

[simple bison]

We used to actually have something like that but it got removed when they added multiplayer and the replacement was the veteran boots

[halcyon sky]

solo character found hardcore is pretty nice. it doesnt make campaign harder, but you do need to be more careful 😄

[mental hound]

Ah i nice nice i see 🙂 will try it with those!

[mental hound]

HC is a different Story. Its nothing, till you get onehit later......

[simple bison]

These are the boots btw, basically just a fat stat penalty lul

[halcyon sky]

It makes everything feel a lot more impactful. I did it season 2, died to something at like lvl 89 or something first time around but made it to 100 and uberroth 2nd time

[mental hound]

Iirc they drop from a bear in a cave at the Beginning right?

[simple bison]

yep

[mental hound]

Ty!

[simple bison]

you gotta break a hidden wall along the right side of the cave, kill the bear, and then break another wall on the north facing side and kill another bear that'll drop them

I guess it's so new players don't accidently find them and put them on not knowing what they really do lul

[mental hound]

Perfect, sounds reasonably. Exactly what we need.
Thank you so much

[severe socket]

Imagine if it had a "can be corrupted multiple times" and/or forging potential but with a catch of every stat added increasing the implicit penalties.

Yum for some, yuck for others. Insanity either way.

[mental hound]

Another question.. can we corrupt the boots to make them even worse? Hahah

[obtuse bay]

gamba

[severe socket]

Not yet, but I'm guessing they're already getting ideas, lol.

[hard ridge]

Question

Is every season only targeted a certain job for tweaking?

[simple bison]

Not really

[severe socket]

Imagine the boots corrupting all attributes at once.

Imagine the sheer WTF it would cause.