💬┃general

[carmine smelt]

LE is my favorite in the genre because I feel respected as a consumer as far as time and agency.

I can go deep if I want, but not feel pressure to do so.

I can explore the min max or just try weird stuff, without going extremely sweaty, or getting daily log in missions, or logging on to check market values, making sure I get a sale. Following the meta so I know exactly what items become expensive or if my farm strat became suboptimal overnight, etc.

Also the QoL, same idea.

[ruby python]

how are other games in the genre pressuring you to go deep?

[carmine smelt]

The EHG devs actually get passionately excited about introducing new QoL features. They put it as part of their hype announcements

[ancient surge]

Keep talking to some people that more play poe about LE and one of my frequent mentions is how LE did solo and market-independent play right. Not quite SSF, but also... satisfying. Did not feel like I'm missing out by never touching the market.

[carmine smelt]

Not pressure to go deep, I like going deep, pressure to play a certain way to get to that depth

I also go deep in PoE, I enjoy the minmax

But the process is very exhausting and frustrating

Its really high highs, and low lows, for me at least

[ancient surge]

Very much on point.

[carmine smelt]

LE lacks the extreme highs of PoE imo, but also lacks the extreme lows

[ancient surge]

And that is a good thing. Whiplash is not a concept of fun for most people, I'd wager.

[carmine smelt]

PoE is designed for even sweaty minmaxers to minmax for months straight and still continuously make actual progress

In LE as a minmaxer you've probably reached over half of the max power you'll ever get by week 1 or 2

I'm kinda fine with that as an old fk that still likes minmaxing but lacks the sweaty competitive drive

[ancient surge]

Kindred spirit much? Jokes aside, those slowly aching joints aren't helping :p

[turbid silo]

❤️

So kind of you to say Frozen!

[turbid silo]

QoL post looks good 😄

(staged, not released)

[willow canopy]

That's what I like about LE as well. I like that experimentation is encouraged and that there isn't just one singular viable build that the community figures out in a week. Sure if you WANT that you can min max ,but you can also just try what ever and see how far it takes you and that is such a breath of fresh air in the ARPG genre.

[turbid silo]

I, for one, can't wait to build a Rogue in Season 4 😄

I've never played a Rogue in an ARPG and the new stuff makes it super exciting

[ancient surge]

You know, been thinking about this one specifically. In LE you can play most of the game without any drops that are only accessible if you do this pinnacle fight or another.

[turbid silo]

You're all so kind, appreciate the words

[ancient surge]

Uber abby drops are powerful, but they are a sort of... win harder.

[carmine smelt]

I think the point that really exemplifies that is that in PoE there are a handful of really cool build enabling items that 99.9% of people will never even have a chance to play with. Last PoE 2 league a bunch of strong uniques were multiple mirrors. In LE even the "chase" items like RR and uber relic are not build enabling, and also not exceedingly rare that at least slightly dedicated players can realistically get there

[ancient surge]

Huh... looks to own played character in last poe2 league The best I could ever calculate my build at is... less than 1 mirror? All content done too. Uber arbiter, all the tier 3 bosses, all the side-content.

[willow canopy]

I also like that unique items encourage you to try different builds and styles of play. They aren't just 'this item has stupid high stats' or 'this item makes this class over powered ' they usually make an ability do something completely different or change the play style of a class

[zealous siren]

Hello 🙂 can you confirm special surprise for Dev stream today? 😄

[ancient surge]

Imho, GGG has fostered an environment that is very dependent on the player market and thusly, a popular build becomes stupidly expensive, while niche builds may be even better, but cost less because not many think it's good and no streamer is hyping it up.

[carmine smelt]

I think my PoE 2 character was like... idk 3 or 4 mirror? I went way harder than planned. All T1s mostly with the dumb corrupts and whatever. Double corrupts on uniques, the 2k div charm or whatever, etc.

The part that frustrated me was that despite being OP character, I could make more progress on my character by sitting in hideout and sniping items worth 3k+ divs for like, 50 to 500 divs and selling them.

To me, the best way to progress your character in an ARPG should be doing the hardest content you currently can do, to unlock the next tier of difficulty and reward.

In PoE you can just complete campaign then flip to god tier. In which case, what is the point of God tier?

It breaks the
power -> harder content -> more reward -> more power
Loop for me entirely

[lavish plinth]

Hi, I have a ring "Phantom grip" where is it notified "the stats on your gloves apply to your forged weapon at 85% effectiveness", but what is forged weapon please ?

[ancient surge]

Yup. Fully with you there. I only ever used the market to facilitate turning some valuable drop into what I need to move a step up in my own build, or afford to spend on the crating shenanigans. I made it a point to do as much as I can by myself.

[red fox]

As evry ARPG with a market and content creator to push builds that ppl will copy with out even thinking, saadly.

And dont get me wrong the prblm aint the content creators

[ancient surge]

forge weapon is a sentinel minion, if I'm not mistaken. Particularly the forge knight plays with those.

[lavish plinth]

oh it's a skill tho ?

[carmine smelt]

Not really, PoE is designed with items that are both build defining and extremely rare to the point that they only make sense within an economy context. The rarity of items are balanced around the wealth consolidation of a game economy

In LE even in MG you can't flip items

[ancient surge]

Not 100% sure. I think it's a temporary minion that only that class works with.

[lavish plinth]

oh ok I see, I thought it was a crafted weapon smt like that. thak you for your aswers 🙂

[south moat]

They're minion that comes from forge strike and benefit from the skill tree of that
Other skills can also summon them but they still use forge strike tree

[ancient surge]

I only apologize I cannot effectively detail, since I never really played that class.

[red fox]

And you think it aint work exactly the same as MG ?
I mean i aint trying to be jerk, i just dont see the differences, i play LE only COF cause i never saw a better SSF mode, but i played merchant last season since it as been rework.
And tbf i did not notice a single difference, like prices come along with the hype of builds and showcase

[ancient surge]

That would be the point. in LE, you can only buy an item once.

[lavish plinth]

that's ok, I really thought it was a weapon that I should craft XD

[ancient surge]

One cannot escape the fact: some people just work that way.

Those of us who don't... we play CoF :p

[carmine smelt]

I dont see MG as the same as PoE trade, no.

For one, drops rates on good enough items arent rare enough that only the few can buy them. And the power granted isnt significant enough to cause a huge disparity. Even even if you do get a huge disparity of power, those with the power in LE dont have access to some special gated content that gives them 10000x rewards.

The disparity between a new player first entering 100c in LE and me speed farming 2000c is a lot different than a new player entering PoE red maps and a giga juiced 10 mirror build crushing T17s in 5 minutes dropping mage bloods or whatever

[ancient surge]

I giggle at that, having dropped mageblood myself while farming for nurse cards in tower back when it was a new item. (at T11)

[carmine smelt]

PoE economy snowballs really really hard

[red fox]

So what would you say, that you can scale way easier by being an HO warrior in poe that being a MG warrior in LE right ?

[carmine smelt]

Yea I would

But its.not just about HO warrior

[red fox]

That's true obviously, i get it, but inst that true that you aint got much reward by scaling in LE that you got in POE ?

[ancient surge]

The simplest form of a market, insofar as ARPGs go, is supply and demand. Supply is based on the drop rate and thus the amount of drops of that item there are. Demand is wobbly, since a popular build overblows the demand.

[carmine smelt]

Even if you are a juicer in PoE you cam reinvest currency into the content you run to accelerate your juice. Think about that. You can invest multiple div into the content you run to make it harder and more rewarding, content that a weaker character cant do

[peak lodge]

PoE's market is volatile

[primal abyss]

My first PC for Season 4 will be a HC CoF character...after that... we'll see

[ancient surge]

Godspeed, I cannot trust myself to do HC. Too stressful for me 🙁

[carmine smelt]

The price of content juice materials is set by the most efficient players using it, in many cases a suboptimal players wont even profit from juicing their content

[severe socket]

What I don't like about LE is that there's no "checkpoint" mechanism when it comes to power scaling. You brick an item on accident or by sheer will of RNG, and it's back to square zero.

[ancient surge]

Well, that matters a lot from a MG perspective. Not so much CoF.

[peak lodge]

Can't wait for the new Season launch of LE. PoE's getting too repetitive.

[severe socket]

CoF is even worse in that regard.

[ancient surge]

How so? I usually end up with more exalt bases that I never get to work on because I run out of havocs :p

[peak lodge]

And to re-run the entire campaign again in PoE is a bother

[ruby python]

yea can't wait to run monoliths for the 10000 time

[severe socket]

I mean working with uniques specifically. Take the turtle for instance; more often than not it's either a straight up brick or a downgrade.

[primal abyss]

My FIRST character. My second would be...undertermined

[ancient surge]

Cof is just wonderful in that you can farm for, say ,half a day and stock up on the stuff you want to turtle too. Throw in some specifically chosen prophecies, get T12 CoF and let loose.

You can then just take the 0lps into chained nemesis towers and go at it again :p

[severe socket]

you can farm for, say ,half a day
...yeah, about that...

[ancient surge]

I also throw in that gauntlet of strife to just cut down on the number of uniques I have to nemesis and also try to get better base stats.

I know. I consume the game rather... intensely. Now, if you can pace yourself and stretch all that play time over, say... a month or two...

[severe socket]

Honestly, I'd love it if I could actually spawn a couple copies of myself to be able to be everywhere at once.

But that's a me problem in the end.

[ancient surge]

Hence the pacing thingy. Given that you can play a cycle for months on end, a little bit at a time is a viable option.

[ruby python]

yea it is great LE gives you 7+- months of cycles to do things

[severe socket]

...

[ancient surge]

It also works well as CoF, really... the market can do its own thing, you play your own way when you want to.

[severe socket]

Player-driven economy is something I avoid like plague.

[ancient surge]

Now, I say half a day as a positive in this sense, because compared to PoE? Play days on end for even a shot at crafting this one item...

[severe socket]

A couple of reasons off the top of my head:

• I have no bloody idea how the pricing is supposed to work in LE. Everyone puts their own price tag, and more often than not it's blown out of proportion.
• Farming gold is not even remotely close to my skillset.
• I want to avoid getting caught in exploit abuse if I can help it.

[ancient surge]

Insofar as my own past attempts at MG characters, I've noted the same. Not everyone sits there and looks at the minimum price sorting, look through affix ranges to see if their item is worth more because of its affixes and just slaps it in there.

[fathom umbra]

I mean i know its a joke, but its no different than running Dunes map for the 10000th time xD

[ancient surge]

But hey, LE gives us the option. And it's a viable path either way. But they need to be approached differently.

[turbid silo]

We'll have some teasers this week, next week will be something a bit more 😉

[carmine smelt]

It depends a lot how deep you go into the minmax and what specifically you are trying to make. How the LPL aligns with what you want.

For example with 2T7 unstable core the unique was bottleneck. For 2T7 Boneclamour it was the exalt

[turbid silo]

Apologies for being so slow to replying, in morning sync meetings 😄

[ancient surge]

Fair enough. By nature of the game, there will be RNG and it's based on the drop rates. The weaver tree helped immensely in letting us plop in 3 copies of that one unique we're after to sort of enhance the RNG chances of it dropping and thus getting more copies. One item worked on at a time is my style and works well.

[hard ridge]

can someone help ? i posted some picture in #💀┃acolyte

[turbid silo]

For those that are new, Hype Week begins the week before the next major update. For this season, Hype Week begins on Monday March 16 and goes through the week culminating with patch notes on Friday March 20th and Judd's patch overview video.

Hype Week is a set of daily posts that goes through the new content we're releasing in Season 4.

[golden heron]

Alguém sabe se vão nerfar o Uber Aberroth? Ou se vão pelo menos buffar os personagens?

[west ivy]

não vão mudar ele, mas tem coisas novas na s4 que deve facilitar de chegar lá
de qualquer jeito uber abby é pra ser algo super super endgame que nem toda build talvez consiga fazer

and with that I will never speak portuguese here again

[turbid silo]

Heh

[west ivy]

some of us can be...obnoxious

[golden heron]

Fiz várias builds, com vários personagens, peguei uma média de 1000 - 1500 de corrupção e nada de conseguir. Eu e outras pessoas também acham a mecânica dele muito desiquilibrada.

I've tried several builds with various characters, averaging 1000-1500 corruption points, and still haven't managed to achieve it. Me and others also find its mechanics very unbalanced.

[west ivy]

I struggle with normal abby so I don't even know what fighting uber abby is like but even for normal abby not every build works so...
but plenty of folks can beat uber abby maybe ask around

[golden heron]

I built a deck following the advice of trusted streamers, and I also tried some websites like Last Epoch Tools and Maxroll, but without success. I can easily kill a regular Aberroth in seconds. I'll wait to see how it goes to fight it next season, since I've already tried countless times lol

[chilly ember]

what build were you playing?

[golden heron]

I tried several builds with various characters, but I'll only give you one example:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/pt/perrut/character/CH_Perrut

[chilly ember]

i think you would want better idols but it’s doable for sure. LB can do uber and it’s got really good dmg but it’s not enough damage to skip mechanics and it’s fairly squishy for tanking things. so it won’t be a long fight but you still have to play pretty well, and the fight is pretty hard

[golden heron]

The problem is that idols cost a fortune, and farming the gold I need by killing bosses or minions is impossible... And getting gold by selling items in the merchant guild is also difficult, because I've already gotten very good items that weren't worth anything... And the market is also very unbalanced; EHG should think of some way to make the market more balanced and accessible, because there are items there with exorbitant prices to buy, and the game doesn't give you a way to get that absurd amount of gold by farming from bosses, minions, or selling items to NPCs.

[severe socket]

↑ I second this.

[frosty ridge]

then play cof???

[golden heron]

@frosty ridge I didn't understand your comment; I'm from Brazil. Could you please explain again?

[south moat]

Play Circle of Fortune instead of Merchants guild

[golden heron]

I played in both and reached the maximum level in both, but I found it easier to get the specific items for my guild in the merchant guild.

[carmine smelt]

This is just supply and demand though. The market doesn't think the items you are trying to sell are "very good", otherwise you would be able to sell one of these and buy what you want with the gold from that sale.

If you want a 2LP Red Ring for example you need to provide equal value to the market worth a 2LP Red Ring

[severe socket]

Value is in the eye of the beholder.

[south moat]

Value is in the eye of the beeholder

[carmine smelt]

In the market its in the aggregate eyes of the beholders

[simple bison]

Yeah it just depends on what people are playing. You can get an item that's insanely good for a specific build. But if nobody is playing that build the item is worthless

[chilly ember]

and especially this late into a season prices are almost guaranteed to be all over the place

[carmine smelt]

I'm just saying if the item you want is expensive it means a lot of people also want it. You can either provide the market something equally desired or a bunch of less desired items

It cuts both ways though

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt I know it's a demanded feature, but the game needs to provide ways to farm this gold without necessarily selling items. For example, improve the gold drop rate by killing bosses, minions, doing quests, dungeons, arenas, etc...

[chilly ember]

this late into the season there’s likely such a small pool of active MG players though that there’s probably a non-zero chance that for certain specific items, the only ones still listed are the ones that were listed long ago for very high prices, and nobody bought them because they were overpriced. i don’t play much MG though so i can’t confirm if this is actually true

[carmine smelt]

If you get more gold drops everyone else will be getting more gold drops too... you'll just end up with inflation. That won't allow you to buy items you can't currently buy

[south moat]

It would also mean that more rare drops aren't as valuable anymore because you wouldn't get much more money for them

[carmine smelt]

If 1000 people want 1 item then the one willing and able to pay the most gets the item. If you increase the means of those 1000 people its still not going to change that there is only 1 item for sale. If anything it might make it worse when fewer people think they need to list items since they can just "farm gold".

Everyone wants to buy items, but without listing there is no buying

[severe socket]

beerholder, you mean?

Well, bee is a valid option too.

[south moat]

No

Gently hold the bee like a burger

[severe socket]

Because there is beer in the game, lol.

Even if it's just a masked health potion.

[south moat]

I know.
There are also bees in the game

[severe socket]

TOO MANY BEES

[south moat]

Not enough bees

[severe socket]

ALL THE BEES

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt But still, I think this should be adjusted somehow. So you see certain items with inflated values ​​in the game that just sit there for months?

[carmine smelt]

Just like a real life luxury house might sit for months or years. No one is entitled to buy something, and no one is forced to sell for a price they don't want. If they want the gold they can lower the price or wait

What are you trying to buy anyway that seems too expensive? Is it even a realistic drop?

[south moat]

At best they could do something like if the person hasn't even logged in for like a month or two the item could start dropping in price

But someone else would just snipe it anyway

and what if the person comes back and sees that the item sold for less than listed

[carmine smelt]

Not automatically though, maybe an option

[south moat]

Oh yea
If it was automatic people would get mad

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt Look at the comparison you're making, hahaha. I agree with some things you're saying and disagree with some things, but anyway... I played on corruption level 1000-1500 for many, many hours, killed several bosses, and couldn't get the items to drop as I wanted. And when I use the market alternative, it's also impossible to buy anything, so I stopped playing, just like many people I know did. Have you killed Uber Aberroth this season?

[carmine smelt]

Thats the other thing though.

I live in one of the most unaffordable housing markets in the world, people making like 30k or whatever will say they wish for a housing crash so they can buy a house that currently needs like 250k income, but in reality there are a lot of people waiting in line ahead of them

[south moat]

Yeah, I feel that

[carmine smelt]

Yea I did uber on day 3 lol, I'm not inexperienced if thats what you are implying. Ive done R12 in both COF and MG, and uber with COF and MG

My point is that the prices are mostly set by what MG players are able to pay. There's some inefficiency in the market for sure, but if an item is too expensive, generally it means you haven't provided enough value to other players also spending their gold to justify your purchase

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt So, the market prices on the server you play on are probably quite different from the server I play on. Send me the link to the build you used to kill Uber. I'm not implying anything, congratulations if you managed it, but I disagree a little with your perspective, that's all haha.

[carmine smelt]

Some items will only be achievable for the 0.1% of players, if you are a 1% player you wont be able to buy it, you need to grind harder

[south moat]

Honestly I haven't even killed Aberroth
I probably could do it with my current runemaster with the gear he has
but I also don't really feel like learning the fight this close to the new season

[carmine smelt]

Earlier you linked your LB build, I made that build lol

[south moat]

That reminds me how someone on poe forums was saying that any gear shouldn't be unlocked behind ubers and octavian saying that it's okay if you don't kill the ubers, no need to be hard on yourself was "out of touch" etc

[carmine smelt]

Here you go;
#🎥┃video-shoutout message

This is my COF character

I did uber with MG and COF in 1.2, only COF in 1.3

[silent pivot]

That comment about servers has me a bit confused, isn't there a single universal Merchant's Guild? Why would the economy be split up in any way lol

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt Did you create this build? That's awesome! Unfortunately, I couldn't kill it, and I also can't farm the gold I need to improve the build even more. I've already tried hard, played for many hours, and got tired because I haven't had any success against Uber Aberroth.

[carmine smelt]

Yep that doesnt make sense. The econ is shared

[carmine smelt]

Yep my build is on maxroll

[ancient surge]

My only opinion about uber abberoth is if you try to do the fight and if within a few tries you get around the last phase, it means you're close. The 3 builds I did since I could beat uber taught me that if you can reach his shield or maybe close to removing that shield based only your damage while he's doing his first spinning flail until he lands his flail, this means: You can do it. You can keep practicing until you get a good grasp on his movement, and the positioning factor and what all this means in how to avoid his triple slam throughout the fight. Keeping cool during the fight helps with the positioning identification.
All the above is me trying to encourage anyone who's within range of beating that fight. The mechanics are rough, but keeping at it also means learning them.
While, yes I reacted to the previous discussion, but hey, maybe someone will feel inspired. [/ted talk]

[carmine smelt]

The problem is that farming gold is not the same as farming items on COF.

You need to set your filter up for what the market wants.

Right now you can sell perfect mana stack 1x1 idols for millions

Or nemesis get a 2T7 and sell 2T7 uniques with imprint farm

For meta builds

You can also use slightly off meta items for a fraction of the price.

If you try to buy the exact items in a maxroll guide, along with the thousands of others, you WILL pay a big premium for that strict meta following

[golden heron]

Are the prices of items the same on all servers? If so, I didn't know.

[carmine smelt]

Yep, China might be different? I forget

If I was playing my LB build on MG I would not buy the exact guide items though.

You can save a lot of money by being creative

[golden heron]

@ancient surge I can try, but thanks for the tips hahaha. I'll try it next season.

Thanks everyone for all the tips. I'll try them next season haha, I've already tried countless times this season and given up haha.

@carmine smelt Thanks everyone for all the tips. I'll try them next season haha, I've already tried countless times this season and given up haha.

[carmine smelt]

Just watch some guides on MG farming strategies. You can do something like spam cemetery and sell desirable idols for profit.

Go check out the MG filters from "The Sanctum Market", it's far from perfect but you should be able to farm many millions per day without much effort

Filters are the big thing for MG, imo

Hope that helps

[golden heron]

@carmine smelt Thanks for the tips, I'll try them next season. You're the man, 10 out of 10!

[primal abyss]

Good Friday Lizard gang

[silent pivot]

J. Jonah Jameson banging on table demanding pictures of Spider-Man meme Last! Epoch! Teasers!

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[fossil robin]

Is the vendor for the beast items somewhere in the town or only in this special region?

[west ivy]

I believe he shows up in the chapter 10 town

[coarse swallow]

The Garden in the Divine Era

[south moat]

Kinda wish he was available at the end of time too
Maybe after finishing act 10

[night marten]

Cough #suggestions cough

[coarse swallow]

I can add that suggestion to my day's notes.

[south moat]

That would be wonderful, thank you
I'd go and write it in the suggestions but mobile writing is a pain and I'm not home most of the day tomorrow

[coarse swallow]

It's all good. Normally it's good to have the record/submission so we don't forget as we work on other tasks at the same time, but I've already noted it.

[fossil robin]

Fortress Gardens or?

[coarse swallow]

It should be called The Garden unless my memory is off, which does happen - located at the temple of Eterra.

Wait, it's not the Divine Era, it's Ancient Era, sorry.

[fossil robin]

ah, I don't have this one :/

[south moat]

It's chapter 10

You can also obviously just wait until you see the rifts to purchase from him

[heady night]

teaser time!

[fossil robin]

i stopped as soon as i had factions

[heady night]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-uDwKGxTFrADvO

[heady night]

no fair you get gifs...

i just want my birdman gif to hit just one time....

[simple bison]

back to pink baby

[south moat]

It's not much further from that

[south moat]

Oh no

[simple bison]

Oh yes

[south moat]

Good to see you got the account back (as you already confirmed earlier)

[turbid silo]

First teaser!

[inner finch]

Where's FS

[muted cape]

nice

[turbid silo]

Teaser 2!

[inner finch]

I wonder if anything mechanically is changed with BH as a base skill

[turbid silo]

Third teaser! (Poor Mike's dying a lot!)

[fair wing]

Derrick, can we get the sounds? the video was very hard to hear ❤️

could be because im on my phone

[turbid silo]

Yeah, coming

Teaser four! Loot fitler sounds!

[fair wing]

ty sir

[turbid silo]

np!

[willow sentinel]

Wow
4 teasers already

[inner finch]

Black Holes and Revelations

[viral marsh]

He died a lot

[turbid silo]

Teaser 5: New affix for sentinel

[turbid silo]

Teaser 5!

Old vs. New Loot Fitler Affix selection Teaser

Red is old, new is green

[fathom umbra]

Im scratching my head at what's different, less im just blind xD

[heady night]

same happened to me haha

[turbid silo]

You no longer have to select all the affixes

[fathom umbra]

Oh,so it's just that simple rofl

[carmine smelt]

Having seen the XMLs or whatever with 1000+ lines just to tell the filter "any affix", how much of an improvement is this for y'all behind the scenes? Is this a big optimization?

[turbid silo]

Better question for Mike

[carmine smelt]

We gotta let Mike rest!

[willow sentinel]

Holy!!

[heady night]

wait 91% to gain a dusk shroud when consuming a shadow???...bruh

oh lol i got that confused with silver shroud

whew

[inner finch]

Did we finally get Cpt America lol

Its been 84 years

(I sort of wish this kind of stuff would be given to us as uniques, not as idol slot filling affixes tbh)

[heady night]

So hype week starts 16th or 19th saw a post on reddit

[main frigate]

Cool, cyborgwars is revived

[heady night]

Cause the official trailer has the 19th listed

[silent pivot]

good question, I'm surprised there are two official sources with conflicting dates like that

EHG_DerrickG said ~6 hours ago that Hype Week is March 16-20, but the Shattered Omens trailer on YouTube says "[...] our fantastic week of forums posts starting March 19th!" in the description 🙃

Mike did mention during the dev stream that patch notes are being worked on like.. right now, so March 16 could be correct TBH

[night marten]

Well since its hype week...it should start on monday the 16th.

If it was the 19th...that would just be hype day. Lol

[brittle hollow]

Otherwise known as patch notes day ?

[silent pivot]

the youtube description suggests "hype week" refers to march 19 onwards, leading up to launch; I agree it's probably the 16th but significantly more people have likely seen and will expect it to start then, not on march 16

~1.8 million views on youtube vs maybe a few hundred views on a single discord message

[brittle hollow]

It’s definite the 16th

As it has happened in the past

[vivid portal]

Oh sweet so 3 more days! Man there’s a lot of good arpg cakes

[earnest oasis]

why are you concern trolling about the date of the league

[silent pivot]

what? everything I said was related to hype week, in response to GhostTear asking about it, since EHG gave two completely different hype week start dates

I never said anything about the start date for season 4

[earnest oasis]

take a break bro

[silent pivot]

I'm literally sitting here reading a book, you're pinging me over your own lack of reading comprehension and distracting me lol

[inner finch]

....

The biggest teaser so far was dropped on the #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

With all due respect to the rest

Some of it has serious build implications

[silent pivot]

the idol effect corruption thing?

is there anything specific that's build-enabling for? never really gave it much thought tbh since most of my builds use pretty boring idols

[short vessel]

i mean, tbh that's what i assumed it would be

[short vessel]

actually, clearly they're talking about the black hole changes and how they might enable a black hole build to exist at all

then there's me waiting for a crumb of primalist news

[obtuse bay]

loot filter change is huge

thank you

[ashen raptor]

I want black hole to be op so so badly

Im fine with jt being meta

[upper knoll]

When the LE dev team last time publicly asked what the players want to see in the game with future updates i forgot to say: i want 10+ unique skills for each sub-class!
Just putting it out there

[carmine smelt]

Hmm, surely it still needs a few more buffs 👀

[inner finch]

Buff the hole

#BuffTheHole

[ancient surge]

While we're on the subject of buffing the holes in space-time, I do gots to ask: How are the 1-2 (at present) subclass specific skills treated as as a design philosophy? Like, what would make them stand out and be special?
I admit I get lost in that thought when I look at every skill's specific tree from the classes I've even played. The trees tend to alter every skill such that they are tailored to a specific need and sometimes a starter skill ends up in a chain of interactions that make it just... better.
Like, thinking back to the spark charge runemaster of this last season. You have your damage skill, you have your mobility, you have your panic button defense skill and then you have your obligatory invocation for the more consistent defensive layer. oh, and a hybrid skill in the mix.
Having played the build myself, to see what the jazz was about, found that that combination of skills, of which the only subclass specific one was the implicit runic invocation, was just... enough.
Now, going back to the structure of skills as a whole, we have 5 skills we can reasonably slot in and use by default. Typically 3 of those are automatically filled up by a damage skill, a mobility skill and a defensive skill. The other 2 are kind of flexible in that they tend to be support skills that enhance the overall build.
Not saying that I have a good grasp on the whole thing, but this is as most as I can see into, and based on that, I am curios as to how would one approach the 2 skills that sit at the end of a class specialization such that they are good candidates for the various builds that can potentially be made. This is also musing on whether an extra skill slot would make sense or not.

[severe socket]

Speaking of black hole specifically. Am I crazy? Am I the only one? I think it belongs to Void Knight's kit.

Because black hole is literally the embodiment of nihility.

Right up VK's alley.

I think sorcerer should get something else instead.

Something more apt to the theme.

[ancient surge]

Thematically, maybe, but damage type-wise, it's cold and potentially fire damage.
Part of me thinks that the "void" is not the physical void between stellar matter in the game's lore context.
EDIT: For clarity's sake, the void of the lore context feels more like dark matter than actual absence as the term "void" would imply.

[severe socket]

Still, Time Rot exists.

[ancient surge]

I could go on about what that would mean in physical terms, like what if black holes draw in matter and push away dark matter and the like, but the actual science of that is well and truly still being investigated. As for how that even translates into the lore of this title... I'm lost here.

[severe socket]

And we all know that time flows wildly different within the black hole.

[ancient surge]

How do we know that?

To my limited knowledge, I thought we knew enough to assume that, but physics has a history of learning there is more to it than previously thought in this sense. Thank you, theory of relativity.

[severe socket]

...yeah, that's what I thought of as well...

[ancient surge]

It's something of a risk to approach a game's lore on this kind of a basis. The lore only has to make sense within its own context. But the whole thing has some familiarity to tie it back to us, the consumers. Suspension of disbelief becomes tough when we start posing questions about realism, in a title with a lore that was never exactly meant to be realistic down to a science.

Lore matters, because the skills our characters use are of that universe and they only have to make sense thematically within that universe's standards and thus lore. We could argue that the damage type that is void, while it may have some very real science behind it, is mostly an unknown to the entities of the universe itself. And yes, now I am getting lost in metaphor-to-real-to-metaphor-to-real-to recursive translations that I will just drop it :/

[silent pivot]

Void damage to me the type of harm something would experience when exposed to the vacuum between planets, particularly for unfathomable amounts of time. Black holes are kind of.. the exact opposite of that? Or at best, adjacent. Gravitational crushing and infinite compression, versus sudden decompression and horrendous cold.

[ancient surge]

You know, that actually makes a lot more sense when put together with who Eterra and Observer/Orobyss are within the lore itself.

Of course, the question still hangs in the air: Orobyss is the source of the void within what we know for now. What actually was it that triggered the cycle in the first place? Is there some deeper void entity, or is the whole void concept created from within Orobyss himself?

[silent pivot]

That's probably something we'll get answers to with the expansion. There's way too many possible answers as-is, when time travel exists.

.. and multiple timelines are a thing, for that matter.

[ancient surge]

I know, most of this is speculation for the sake of it.

[severe socket]

Wuthering Waves uses a black-hole-related entity as an embodiment of nothingness. Its influence basically erases living beings from existence on a conceptual level.

[ancient surge]

On a personal level, I can't exactly disconnect the lore void from the physical void and also the sensory void that we can experience. The... psychological sense of void within a very physical existence.

[obtuse bay]

wait, isn't it real? I thought we had last epoch multiverse kekw

[silent pivot]

Also I think suspension of disbelief is possible in virtually any context, as long as that context is logically consistent. Lizards are magical creatures that can pop out of any random box, and carry tremendous amounts of treasure. They're essentially pacifists and will only flee from you. Also they are capable of teleportation. Sure, why not. Introduce a lizard that can't (and doesn't) do any of that, though? That's an oddity. If you don't explain it in-universe, people will poke and prod and demand answers.

[obtuse bay]

wizards are their trump card, they can summon any magic and do anything kekw

[severe socket]

Reminds me of a certain capybara who floats and makes coffee.

If you know, you know.

[ancient surge]

I suddenly wish to know.

[severe socket]

Just one word.
Namipon.

[ancient surge]

Ah, the times when magic was a simple "It just is". Then some titles went and tried to build up an explanation of magic within their universe.

[severe socket]

"The Irregular at Magic High School", huh?

The first one to come to mind.

"Magic is science" and all that.

[silent pivot]

You say anything can do X and that can just be accepted as "lore" and "the way that world works" but once you do you can't take it back without an explanation.

[ancient surge]

Heck if I know where it started, I'm thinking back to Star Wars and midichlorians, but it may go even further back.

[silent pivot]

Superman can fly! Wait, no; he can't do that anymore. Kryptonite!

It's slightly irritating looking back at older stuff and going "why couldn't 1950s Superman fly, then?" but that's generally handwaved and retconned.

[severe socket]

In Supes' case, it's more of a counter writers had to include, no? Like, how are you supposed to deal with a near-indestructible entity who can do basically anything?

[ancient surge]

Excuse me while I go down the rabbit hole of googling for when the notion first sprang.

[severe socket]

midichlorians
EEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUGH

NOT THAT ONE

[silent pivot]

The Flash is one of the funnier examples of this, because so many writers kept making the Speed Force more and more powerful.

"How fast is The Flash?" -> "Exactly as fast as the plot demands."

[severe socket]

-# I'm fast as f---, boi!

[ancient surge]

Ah, apparently the first recorded and inferred structuring and explaining of magic dates back to Anicent Egypt or whereabouts. As far as we know for now.

We're late to the party.

[obtuse bay]

I remember it from injustice 2, flash got shot by deadshot KEKW

[lavish plinth]

Hi, there is a way to keep the boss always "targeted" when you have range char ?

[ancient surge]

In what context?

[silent pivot]

I don't think namelocking (where you can run around and aim at anything, but your attacks continue to shoot towards "the boss") exists in LE, or if it does they've done a very good job of keeping it a secret from me.

[lavish plinth]

I want to always see the lifebar of the boss, but sometimes it disappear

[ancient surge]

Ah, I see. I think that's mostly because it only shows up if you're within a certain range of the boss. And it's a generic game mechanic thing.

[silent pivot]

That seems like an excellent thing to post about in #suggestions TBH

[ancient surge]

We have "targets nearest" and thus homing in a sense, but I don't think we have that sort of target locked skills, and frankly, I don't mind :p

[lavish plinth]

yes true, we alwats have the lifebar of the closest mob, but as Necro I see the minions lifebar, and I don't realy care XD

[ancient surge]

Oh, so you mean the hover-over information then? Yes, I noted as such when playing necro. Every time I wanted to cast a shade on a specific minion, I would most often target something else because of the pack and them moving about.

And it's either that or there's some game option I never used 😒

[lavish plinth]

Yes it's a bit anoying for me XD

[severe socket]

Hover-aim is there, yes.

Hover a designated entity and hit A for minions to dogpile it.

(or any other keybind remapped for that)

Same goes for most other skills.

[south moat]

I kinda wanna try out shield throw next league tbh

Been wanting to do that for a while but never got around to it

[south moat]

Was gonna have a look at the shield throw tree but browsing LE tools build section is terrible on phone

[severe socket]

Shield Throw needs a serious buff, imo.

It's giga mediocre as a primary skill of choice.

Reading into the "teased" Dancing Strikes tooltip. Mechanically, the skill is still the same chain of whatevertheheck, it seems, so it's still a nope in my book.

[willow sentinel]

Hum not sure I agree

I can clear at 1k easy
Only issue is single target against Uber

Both as throw hit and spell hit

I won't include TR, but it can do it too

[south moat]

TR?

also hey vlad

Ah right time rot i guess

[willow sentinel]

Yop

How is it going today?

[south moat]

Good, visiting my brother & seeing the nephew
How about over there?

[willow sentinel]

The same 😁

We all gathered at one of my brother's house for the weekend

[south moat]

My other siblings couldn't make it
brother sent the invite on thursday and the others already had plans

[wet heron]

Been a while since I talked in this server, is AVE still in this server? I don’t see her talk in here anymore /:

[south moat]

Her contract ended over an year ago

[wet heron]

Ohh dang 😭 I remember being in this server years ago when it was pretty small and she would always be active and was friendly to everyone lol.

I guess she didn’t wanna renew it?

[south moat]

She was temporary

We don't know the specifics about it and it is also not our business

[main frigate]

alright, done my trip and back to home, I can wait le's patch officially

[zealous siren]

you mean you cannot wait for the patch? 🙂

[hard ridge]

Announced today?

[south moat]

No
it starts 26th of march

[zealous siren]

Hype week starts in 2 days! 😄 😄 🙂

[main frigate]

Should I play le or activate my xbox game pass? Depend on the patch

[zealous siren]

I'm playing LE right now, and if you haven't in a while, I'd say play some LE!! but maybe you are playing LE very often and youre just looking for some diversion, then I'd say play some xbox 😄

[main frigate]

Cool, I'm building the 3d wooden puzzle I purchased 4 days ago

Vezi must excited to check it out

[vocal sonnet]

oh cool I have a random week off work coming up during the reset

[severe socket]

...I just don't get it.

[vocal sonnet]

cant wait to be done with the season in 3 days in that case xD

[severe socket]

Shield Throw has STR and DEX scaling, but Lava Burst triggered by the Eruption of Coals node is a spell.

Does Shield Throw get a Spell scaling tag when specced into Eruption of Coals?

Wouldn't it be less messed up to just convert the skill itself into a spell?

[willow sentinel]

You still get Str and Dex scaling for Lava Burst

Since it's a subskill, it inherits attribute scaling from the parent skill

[severe socket]

The wording on that subskill throws the whole narrative off. "A spell dealing fire damage".

If it's a normally-physical (or fire-converted as a prereq) skill, why specifically word the added trigger as a spell?

[willow sentinel]

I don't understand
You throw your fire magic infused Shield and it explode

[short vessel]

because it's a spell

doesn't matter what the attribute scaling is

or what damage type it deals

it has the spell tag

therefore spell

[severe socket]

...

[hard ridge]

Noob here, im looking for excecutioner tithe , im at monolithe level, what to do and where to farm this

[severe socket]

Obtained from:
Random Drop - Rare
Rune of Ascendance - 6.41% chance
Reign of Dragons Timeline ("Unique or Set Axe Mace or Spear" echo rewards) - 1.73% chance

[zealous siren]

are you CoF? then do axe prophecies

[severe socket]

So how's the player supposed to gear up in order to capitalize on the "spell" part?

If the root spell is Physical/Fire+STR+Dex+Throwing?

[short vessel]

well it gets str/dex attributes
it deals phys/fire
it's a spell

so if you want to scale the spell

you get str/dex, scale phys/fire, and get flat spell/spell crit

[severe socket]

...this is so messed up... -_-

[short vessel]

it really isn't

[willow sentinel]

The spell it self is only fire

You don't need to scale phys

If you decide to go Spell, you scale fire spell
If you decide to not use it you scale throw hit
You can play ailment (ignite or Bleed or Time Rot)

[ancient surge]

Late to the party here, but I want to ask: are we talking about single skill here, or a subskill?

I merely ask because there is usually nothing stopping game from making strength scaling spells outside of maybe logic?
And apologies, upon re-reading I see that indeed the talk was about skill vs sub-skill.
Typically, sub-skill is pretty much a skill in its own right with its own tags that will determine what scales it. If a sub skill inherits everything from a parent skill aside from one is a throw, the other a spell, then yes, it makes perfect sense in that the system allows it. Now, should it be like this?

[severe socket]

I'm questioning the skill to subskill logic here, yes.

Honestly, imo, it creates a lot of [possibly unnecessary] complications with this sort of design. But that's just my insignificant opinion.

[ancient surge]

Your opinion is not insignificant. At least I hope I'm not alone in this.

IMHO, changing tags between skill and attached sub-skill does create the interesting question of which part you scale more. The initial impact, or the resultant part?

[wispy notch]

I view it as the sub skill serving as a pseudo-conversion node, allowing you to scale off flat spell damage rather than throwing damage in order to use Shield Throw on a more caster-style sentinel.
Alternatively, it offers a double-hit effect for ailment scaling.

[ancient surge]

Indeed, it's not necessarily an issue, if it actually works out into multiple use cases that are valid.

[severe socket]

Adds a degree of confusion for less experienced players.

Why not convert the entire skill instead?

Would solve at least one headache.

[wispy notch]

Because you lose the double hit effect for ailment scaling, and because other throwing attacks for sentinels offer spell-subskills in order to make a hybrid build (at least in theory, if it's actually good is another question)

Streamlining might be nice to avoid confusion, but in the long term you risk taking away options.

[severe socket]

Conversion in itself is an option.

Take a look at Healing Hands.

It can easily be converted into a melee attack. Originally a spell.

Any downsides to that?

[ancient surge]

Healing hands is a single skill, though. The whole deal is about creating options from what is ultimately a low number of skills to use. What those options are are up to the designers to decide and for us to (ab)use.

[strange umbra]

Hello Travelers

[severe socket]

Hiya. How's your day so far?

[strange umbra]

pretty good - just chillin atm, playin a little PoE - going out to dinner later for my anniversary 🙂

[severe socket]

If nothing else, damage attribute conversion and attack type conversion should be their own options.

Without one blocking out the other.

Not a weird middle ground where one subskill dictates the whole playstyle.

[muted cape]

Ur not a traveler ur a muffin

[strange umbra]

🤫

[severe socket]

A muffin in a traveler's backpack? :]

[viral halo]

2 more weeks to go..... its been a looong wait, but i cannot wait to get the hands on the new patch... omens and idols layouts look so awesome, and i am sure we don't know everything yet...

Hype already is so big for me.....

S4 will be big

[zealous siren]

I feel the same! 🙂

[viral halo]

Luckily i got 2 first days off the week after release, so i got long weekend and we have easter holidays the weekend afterwards, thats much time to nerd into the game xD

I also have a good feeling we could see quite a good jump in power for a lot of builds.
I really hope, that the rune of corruption rarity is more or less on the level of redemption/havoc rune, so we get enough fuel for our items ❤️

[zealous siren]

i think the question then is how rune of corruption will be attainable, will it be a random drop like Havoc etc. or can it only be attained through omen windows.

[viral halo]

I think Omens will be the best source to get them and thats totally fine, even if they just have an increased drop rate inside there.
Maybe there are weaver tree additions that let certain monsters from that "realm" spawn in your normal echos, like the dungeon monsters for example or rift beast ambushes and they could also drop these runes.

A pure random drop might also work, with a lower chance. There are already good modifiers that enhance this stuff.

[viral halo]

Hm... i think idol layouts will come from that in the first place, maybe the rune of corruption will have no direct attachement to it...
Maybe it is just a pure random drop

[zealous siren]

makes sense what youre saying 🙂

[zealous siren]

i think the idol altars come from the last echo of an echo chain?

[viral halo]

oh, i don't know to be honest^^ could be possible aswell yes..

Iam looking forward to the in-depth video EHG with Judd? hopefully will release during hype week. I like those in-depth videos that will explain everything. But thats still a few days until that date^^

[zealous siren]

i think Judds video will release on friday together with the patch notes. yeah.. I'm looking forward to the start of hype week on monday 🙂 just 2 days

[vocal sonnet]

wonder if they're improving endgame at all

[inner finch]

Technically, they do

[tropic crown]

any highlights of the season 4 preview? too lazy to watch it all

or is there not much info yuet?

[night marten]

Tons of info on the forums, in #eterra-monthly , and some content creators have #🎥┃video-shoutout

But next week starts the actual dev blogs on the forums

For hype week

[tropic crown]

rogue rework?

that's all i caree about

[inner finch]

Aaron makes good videos about the dev streams

showcasing the teasers

[night marten]

Its not a rework specifically...but it is getting two new skills and is the general main focus class wise

[tropic crown]

good

[heady night]

just a few more days

lol felt just like yesterday i was like wtf 7 months!!!

[fading moon]

hola cual es canal en español?

[silent pivot]

There isn't one, this server is English only (see rule 7 in id:guide).

[stark bronze]

D4 season just started next week Dragonkin 1.0 Launch... so much hakking and slashing might be burned out by then

[fading moon]

hola

[main frigate]

Oh good reminder, almost forget dragonkin

[mellow owl]

Anyone else getting a lot of lag on US East?

[blissful vine]

Patch notes when

[undone isle]

Basically first timer here so following a guide. It says I should have Chtonic Fissure now but I cant take it to specialize. I am lvl 20, I have 5 points in warlock. is there anything else I need?

[simple bison]

Prob next Friday

[simple bison]

Are you a warlock?

When you spoke to elder Gaspar did you pick warlock?

[ancient surge]

As cyborgwars points out, chthonic fissure is the subclass specific skill. You get it implicitly IF you are specialized as warlock. Otherwise, you cannot even get it.
If, perchance, you didn't pick warlock, you can look for the re-specialization NPC in the same area (End of Time).

[ancient surge]

On the topic of hype week, how will the hype be kept beating for the... 6 days between patch notes and patch day?

[simple bison]

People spend those days theory crafting usually. In season 2 EHG went around and did some podcasts and stuff but iirc that won't be a thing this season but should be returning next season

[ancient surge]

Honestly, I don't follow hype buildup nor am I very influenced by it. I get "hyped" on my own if what is presented makes enough sense for me to see a point in going towards that game instead of that other game.
On that note, I am not a gold standard, and believe you me, I wouldn't mind LE being more popular, more people getting interested, for the simple selfish reason that I want the game to continue existing and do so with as few compromises there can be.
And so, I merely ask if what is being done is enough :p

[main frigate]

No podcast is the biggest disappoint point, I have enjoyed that so much though I'm not into weaver tree quite much

Plus it's the second cycle which we need to wait the most

[viral halo]

I totally agree with this.

Their tour throughout multiple streams was great and their piece by piece leaking was very exciting.
Maybe it will come back at a later point.
I think for LE:O they will use every tiny register there exists.

[obtuse bay]

le is the only game I know devs stream it weekly kekw

[south moat]

Warframe does it too

[heady night]

1 MORE DAY TILL HYPE HYPE HYPE WEEK STARTS!!!!

https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-smackdown-live-1000-8JZmEBXoCgDleNWFUt

[wet heron]

So is this game owned by a greedy corporate company now? What’s going on with that

[elfin wharf]

hello gents and ladies and everyone in between

[main frigate]

Time will tell us if which type of company Krafton is

[elfin wharf]

i literally live 5 minutes away fromk their HQ

hooked up with one of their illustrators

he told me they pay well, they hire all the right people, but i dont think i should comment anymore

all i will say is im not so worried about EHG

but i am still salty they didn't hire me at Krafton

[willow sentinel]

Lol

[rancid pulsar]

we've upgraded from uncles working at nintendo I see

[south moat]

Wonder what's gonna be next one

[urban bay]

Absolutely enjoying my time in this game with Necro. Looking forward to new season

[lapis steppe]

In the end did they clarify if hype week was 16th or 19th?

[simple bison]

16'th

[strong echo]

Well, looks like I'm early.
I'll just sit in the waiting room like the do ters office for what seems like days

[errant lance]

They didn't hire me I have no computer experience I'm feeling much rage

[true elk]

Hack them, that'll show them you have computer experience.

...you'll also be able to do some networking with like determined people afterwards

[vocal sonnet]

what days the actual update again?

[south moat]

26th

[vocal sonnet]

oh nice midweek, it'll give me like 3-4 days to play it

[mellow skiff]

guy i need some help , when i first started playing this game , i worked really hard to grind through maps and fight /clear all the task, hoping to defeat last boss ASAP ,but when i finally reached the goaland could enter the boss fight , i started to seriously question my abilities , after grinding for over ten or more rounds , i still got defeated who designed such a lousy boss? , all those weird and ridiculous skill moves made my head spin and dizzy, i feel extremely hopeless and don't know if i still have any faith is this game😰

[silent pivot]

that's certainly an interesting way to ask for help without providing any information about what build you're playing or what boss you're stuck on

[inner finch]

I also hate "The Boss"

wait, which boss are we talking about

[south moat]

The big boss

[south moat]

aberroth apparently

[silent pivot]

assuming normal aberroth based on vibes

if playing online you can show other people your exact build + gear via https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/

the fight can be rather brutal if your damage is low and/or your character is squishy, not much anyone can do for you without more information

[last crane]

i am hyped for hypeweek

[rancid pulsar]

gasp!

[vocal sonnet]

Cant wait to play Cof again because if I sleep day 1 Im apparently currency locked from buying anything xD

[blazing stream]

When season 4 start?

[night marten]

March 26th

[strong echo]

It was a show in the 80s or early 90's I can't remember

[dull topaz]

Who's the boss? It's the 16th here in Aus already, 9am - not sure what time the hype starts I'm guessing 2am my time same as when the new patch would go live?

[autumn briar]

pretty much tommrow for us, sadge

[dull topaz]

farrkkk better grab a sleeping pill, seeya in 17 hours D:!

[wispy cedar]

Anyone know when the full patch notes drop?

[frosty ridge]

they said the hype week ends with the patch notes so I’m assuming Friday

[hushed dirge]

how much more dmg is armour shred softcap?

[silent pivot]

100 stacks of armor shred (with no increased shred effect) is ~77% more physical damage, or ~54% more non-physical damage; it's just the armor formula in reverse; enemies have 0 armor by default

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[hushed dirge]

if i have around 80 hits per sec is mad ladles armour shred alone good enough or should i get 1 T5 shred on my sword to go from 50% to 220%

[smoky pier]

It's time.

Hype. Week. Show me your hypes.

[silent pivot]

50% chance with 80 hits per second would be 160 stacks of armor shred after 4 seconds; up to you whether that's enough or not; 50% -> 220% would be 4.4x or 704 stacks upper limit

[heady night]

Can we post gifs for hype weeks only?

[obtuse bay]

hype day?

[main frigate]

👀 Will hype week bring us permanent colourful roles?

I'm in if yes

[obtuse bay]

lizard gang roles

[main frigate]

Oh cool idea. Plus Gregory roles, thanks

[obtuse bay]

thank you devs

[karmic estuary]

10 more days...

[strange umbra]

[inner finch]

We can start by presenting all the Falconer-specific buffs and the few out of the 75 new uniques it will get

[carmine smelt]

and maybe a new b-hole unique?

[main frigate]

I care Gregory roles only

Unless EHG buff mana sustainability and add more modifiers for burning daggers

[brisk sun]

Hype week already started still 0 posts.

[strange umbra]

Still Sunday for most of EHG haha

[frank mesa]

[hard ridge]

Guys sometimes theres a claw mark in the map what is that? And is there any item that i shud be buying from the npc inside?

[dull topaz]

Its either a rift beast or a portal to the ancient era (little side area)

if you hover over it it'll tell you I feel like the fact you said there is an npc inside tells me you already knew that though

[brisk sun]

Since the devs are here. Can we add Services tab for MG. Or at least add Services chat in here.
I remember something like that existed on very first launch and it was very active.
Lots of people need fast EXP carrying for their 2nd characters.

[muted cape]

What do you mean by services?

[dull topaz]

Usually when people ask me or global when Im playing for a boost someone usually does it for free (unless you ask or demand like a rude pos)

[brisk sun]

Like every ARPG game has some kind of Fast Leveling services.
I'm making a 2nd character and want fast lv80-90 and dont want to beg but pay for a carry instead.

[ancient surge]

Player to player trading has been removed due to exploits.

[muted cape]

yeah tat's not allowed here anymore, and hasn't been for quite some time

[dull topaz]

in poe you pay some random to sit in a map while he nukes the screen it's not a build in service of that ARPG lmao, same with what I did for people in Poe2 haha

[willow sentinel]

Good morning travelers

[muted cape]

it's strictly forbidden to pay for any services, or goods in this game.

[willow sentinel]

11h to hype week

[ancient surge]

It's rather impossible even. The mechanics that existed got exploited and we lost all stashes in season 1 because of it. So they kinda.. gutted any player to player trade.

[muted cape]

is really only 11 hours away?

LOL

[brisk sun]

wait u cant even trade gold anymore?

Last time I played u could trade gold but not items. Items were gated behind some tokens that requires u to play in group for long time.

[ancient surge]

I've never traded for anything with another player in LE, so I don't know for sure. (Though I would assume, since all this has to do with MG and player trading, that even gold has been restricted)

[muted cape]

I said it was removed.

[ancient surge]

Kid you not, took me a hot minute to realize you are, in fact, a moderator. Well, never mind me trying to recount history here 🙂

[willow sentinel]

Yes should be, roughly (maybe a bit more because of daylight saving shenanigans)

[muted cape]

it's fine, yeah 1.0 launch was so horrid with gold duping, and exploits, but season 2 squashed out all the major issues

[hardy gate]

are you sure about that

😂

[brisk sun]

Thats a "fun" way to limit players interactions. Crippling game economy too.
Lots of people cant kill Uber Abbys and people who can help usually dont have that motivation to help for free.

[ancient surge]

Sometimes brain no worky. But yes, EHG is a US company that operates out of the US (unsurprisingly). It is to be expected that the core team kind of needs to be awake to get things done.

[muted cape]

I forgot people were exploiting Resonances too lmao

[ancient surge]

I'm too much of a loner to even consider how resonances could be explioted.

As a general rule, get 100k people together, someone will try to exploit.

[dull topaz]

This is wildly incorrect I always offer to help with uber so do all my friends on there, no one charges for a carry in LE mate

[muted cape]

imagine having friends though! I will solo yolo till expansion if it comes to consoles

100k players that power alone already exploits mg into far deterministic and exciting math to know how many people will sell absurd lp item

[ancient surge]

Duo uber abby would be interesting, I suppose. But best learning experience is doing and failing repeatedly until you figure it out. If you want to do it yourself at one point you'll need to do it without training wheels. one-shot builds that work on bugs don't count :p

[muted cape]

yeah you can also build in the other spectrum and be a comfy tank

[ancient surge]

But, but, but... glass cannon gets the blood pumping :p

[brazen wing]

Can also be lacking on both compartments and then complain here

Thats my preferred strategy

[muted cape]

people dont like layering their ehp beautifully?

[ancient surge]

(For the record, I do favor glass cannon builds) But none that really rely on exploits and glitches that somehow overinflate their damage.

[muted cape]

best part about building in le imo

yeah I did one season of pure glass cannon

that reminds me... that glass cannon build was only glass in 1.2 I bet its super tanky now with the added goodies

[ancient surge]

I suppose glass cannon is rather relative here... I see glass cannon a build that does not have enough defenses to survive uber abby hitting once with his basic attack (and yes, that also hurts badly)

[brisk sun]

Played zhp and killed 250 Uber Abbys in first week when he came out. Got 2LP Shattered which was never used.
https://ibb.co/cHM5XPZ

[stark frost]

Silver Shroud ftw

[dull topaz]

zero hp with a null potent, interdasting

[ancient surge]

At least I used that shattered worlds with 2 LP that a nemmy egg decided to torment me with, even if it failed to grab the good 2nd affix.

[brisk sun]

mapping setup.

[dull topaz]

If you're getting to uber and killing 250 of them in your first week you're obviously an incredibly gifted player, why do you need someone to speed level you? Just curious

[brisk sun]

Well maybe I want to be a provider and earn some gold that way.

I made mad gold on very first launch carrying people and build my character.

[ancient surge]

At any rate, what is the purpose of being helped with uber abby at present? Getting the drops as MG without actually being able to do it? The drops themselves are cool but nothing vital. They are win harder items, since by the time you can beat uber abby, you basically "won" the game already. The fight itself? Something of an achievement to get through by playing against the mechanics of the fight. But what has one achieved by not engaging?

[dull topaz]

But you couldn't trade gold when Uber was in the game so how did they pay you @brisk sun ?

[ancient surge]

Good point.

I'd joke about RMT, but I also hope none of that has lived through season 1.

[brisk sun]

Well it did actually. I didnt do Uber carry but saw people chat selling for 50m or something like that.

I did EXP carries for gold on very first launch.

[dull topaz]

hate to bring the bad news but yah actually couldnt

[ancient surge]

Uber abby was season 2

[dull topaz]

what is very first launch referring to? Probably before my time I guess

[ancient surge]

abby was season 1

[brisk sun]

Im usual Sekhema carry on POE2 on very first day and Boss carries on POE1.

I have no idea but I remember people doing Uber Abbys for gold.

[ancient surge]

Or... cycle... I keep mixing the terms here >_>

[brisk sun]

Nobody calls it cycle anymore even EHG calls it season.

Cause how confusing it is.

[dull topaz]

Bro, I can't even shuts door

[ancient surge]

Well, I only know the big debacle mid season 1 that I played through, season 2 they removed a bunch of player to player trading, but that does not imply they had patched all the holes at that point. Not that I know either way.

[brisk sun]

I dont even remember how many seasons out there and whats the next season number cause how long it inbetween they are.

[south moat]

It's perfectly fine if most people can't kill uberroth
Doesn't mean you should get gold for helping with it.

Also gold trading was already not a thing when uberroth came out so I wonder what did you actually do

[hard ridge]

Qurstion

Is gold only good for respecing?

And what are u guys will be doing in S4 for all end gamers?

[simple bison]

If you're merchants guild you can trade items with other people using gold. If you're circle of fortune then yeah it's just for respeccing and buying stash tabs

[hard ridge]

Ahh ok

[ancient surge]

Gold also has a purpose in lightless arbor, at the very end.

Got a little question on the topic of snapshotting and it goes like this: any temporary manifestation of a skill (like temporary summons or skills that plop an entity down that lasts a little while) make sense enough to be snapshotted, save some processing power.
But I've seen several mentions in the past about permanent skills (mostly minions) snapshotting on being summoned/cast. Most notoriously, abomination. Permanent in the sense that they never despawn (even if via a node on the skill tree). I feel it would make sense for those cases to never snapshot and always reflect the character setup as it is.
The question would be: Can it be done in terms of game code? Bug or feature? :p
Edit: And also, where would actually be best to post this in terms of channels here?

[heady night]

HYPE WEEK IS HERE!

https://giphy.com/gifs/woo-12QBgS1xGmP0rK

[willow sentinel]

You can ask the devs

[simple bison]

They've removed snapshotting from the majority of permanent summons already

[ancient surge]

Was about to write in the channel, but thank you for the answer.

[simple bison]

It's something that has to be done on a case by case basis so I'm unsure if they've gotten them all but yeah, the majority of abuse cases, at least all the super big ones have been "fixed" already

abomination is one example

[ancient surge]

Humm... So I guess the summons are very much a case by case basis and do not have a category attached that can be worked with code-wise. Apologies, software dev habits.

[simple bison]

In a good amount of cases the minion will simply un-summon if you do anything weird like swap items, passives, skill spec etc

which used to not be the case

[ancient surge]

Ah, I see.

[simple bison]

Especially for abom people would go through a more than minute long ritual of equipping an entire set of items, respeccing several skills, doing an entire skill sequence and then speccing and swapping everything back

Wasn't the healthiest gameplay :P

[ancient surge]

Yeah, I was curious in how the game mechanics support minion builds as a whole, and since necromancer is not the only class that can work with minions, permanent or oterwise, I got thinking on a more general sense.

[simple bison]

The only real "unsnappshottable" "permanent" minion is the falcon. And there's a reason I put both in quoatations because they're both technically not true depending on subjective opinion

Basically the falcon does actually technically snapshot and is also technically not permanent, but in practice it might as well be permanent and not snapshot

[ancient surge]

Better take a moment to actually read that skill then.

[simple bison]

Basically every time you use something like dive bomb, falcon strikes, aerial assault etc the falcon resummons

your falcon dissappears, an animation plays that has a falcon model in it, and then your falcon re-summons

[ancient surge]

I see

[simple bison]

Some effects, mainly buffs are dynamic for minions and can't be snapshotted. which leaves little room to do any shennanigans with the falcon

[ancient surge]

But, excuse me if I say so, all this sounds like a lot of patchwork to alter a fundamental function of what I could generically call "the minion mechanic". Is the minion situation an engine thing that cannot be changed at all?

I only ask because if ever think of something to suggest, I want to be mindful about whether it can be done.

[simple bison]

It's moreso how the general skill and mutator framework functions. And it's not a bad one either. You simply don't want your minions to update their stats super often

Minions might as well be entire players for the sake of stats. Obviously they don't have quite as many things to go through each time but it's still very substantial

[ancient surge]

And since players have a somewhat static set (like gear) but a somewhat dynamic set (like player buffs that also affect minions), I can see that being a problem.

[simple bison]

So if they for example had them update every 10 seconds or something that would still leave plenty of room for snapshotting, but something like every second might start having an effect on performance

[ancient surge]

Oh, I was mostly thinking on a trigger basis.

[simple bison]

Yep, that's basically what the falcon does

[ancient surge]

Since typically speaking, something updates, you want to cascade that update through the system.

[simple bison]

and also like mentioned a lot of minions will just unsummon (you could argue that it'd be better if they just updated their stats instead but that can lead to some weird edge cases) whenever you do anything to change their stats outside of normal gameplay

[ancient surge]

Well, it would be a little more fluid to not have them disappear because of this or that reason, but I was wondering if it's even at all possible.

[simple bison]

Afaik they'd have to basically resummon them in the same spot

could maybe be made seamless by matching direction facing, animation, health, etc but yea

It'd be like changing a fireballs stats mid air

[ancient surge]

I see your point

So minions are, in a sense, skill characters/NPCs?

[simple bison]

But I'm no authority on this whatsoever. If you're wondering anything you're more than welcome to ask in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs where Mike, someone who actually knows what they're talking about and writes code for the game will answer ^^

[ancient surge]

Ahh, fair point again. Apologies for getting lost in the discussion.

[simple bison]

They're just actors, the same way your character is

Like afaik nothing is really stopping your character from being a minion to something else

your minions can summon their own minions too

etc

[ancient surge]

Everything is an object :p

[simple bison]

in a sense :P

and quite literally

[ancient surge]

Yeah, so it's a system of inheritance. Kind of like Java and their object type. Everything is an object, but every object is specific by way of inheritance of properties and its own properties that can then be inherited onwards.

[simple bison]

exactly

There's some strong nuance to it but that's the gist of it

[ancient surge]

Hence the "kind of like"

[simple bison]

yessir

[heady night]

5 hours and 16 minutes!

[hushed dirge]

does multistrike smite doubledip with echos so can the intial multistrike be echoed and than every smite cast has a echo chance again?

[willow sentinel]

The Smites can't echo

Only the initial cast

But there is a node in MS for extra swords (Smite) for echoed MS

[hushed dirge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozw81Mpx https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6X5R04 i made 2 diffrent multistrike builds and not realy sure which is stronger i think the pure multistrike is probably stronger around same dps i think but far tankier because you dont drain youre life

[slow cloud]

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,927, Regen: 47.4/s
▸ Mana: 150.51, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 25 Att / 96 Vit
▸ Resistances: 107% / 79% / 79% / 97% / 92% / 140% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,068
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (94)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,790)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope / Devouring Orb / Anomaly

Void Knight, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (68) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,875, Regen: 102.08/s
▸ Mana: 175.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 41 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 25 Att / 126 Vit
▸ Resistances: 128% / 104% / 104% / 115% / 106% / 188% / 188%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 1,293
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (109)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,464)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Smite / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Anomaly

[hushed dirge]

oh wrong helmet butchers crown for frenzy ofcourse

i think 50mil with the 50% more dmg from mark of rot and an enemy on low life 100mil is possible with pure multistrike

[hard ridge]

what are u looking for inside there? i saw a couple of equipment and runes

[west ivy]

it heavily depends on your build but it's generally a good idea to do rifts for materials

[willow sentinel]

Consume hp when you get a bajillion leech as VK isn't an issue

[west ivy]

and also the Evolution's End amulet which is a good enough generic amulet (+2 to all skills is always good)

[west ivy]

I was doing a rive VK with titan heart + sword catcher + butcher's crown and it was real scary
I killed abby with it a few times but anytime you're not hitting feels like you could die from a stiff breeze

[primal abyss]

Greetings Travelers.

[west ivy]

greetings

[merry abyss]

👋

[willow sentinel]

👋👋

Go Vandryll

Just click it

[hushed dirge]

i played the smite version to 92 in SSF and my life was jumping around ALOT for SC it was ok i still died sometimes when i got hit at the wrong time but with 50 smites per sec that consume 15% of youre life thats 750% life per sec which is even with 5% leech and 20% leech rate + healing hands not realy sustainable

[willow sentinel]

You could remove unbalanced scale and the lightning part and reduce the amount consumed

?

I played a lightning Paladin version and honestly it wasnt really an issue
And I had less leech

There is a lot of leech in Anomaly too

[hushed dirge]

that would be a BIG dps loss

[west ivy]

being dead is no dps though

[willow sentinel]

You can save 1pt from here

[hushed dirge]

no than the bubble doesnt has 90% uptime

[willow sentinel]

Let's move to #🔱┃sentinel

[sullen plank]

Hype week starts today?

[willow sentinel]

Yes Sir/Madam

[sullen plank]

Thanks

[lime epoch]

hi hereeee

10 days before launch season 4 !!!
HYPE WEEK DAY (today) ❤️ ❤️

[topaz nacelle]

Hi there, looking for the French-speaking community ?

[willow sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1483077238839578746

[main frigate]

Do Half & half common in your shopping list?

Half milk half cream

[primal abyss]

Nope. I don't do a lot of heavy cream

Only when require for specific dishes or someone needs it for drink

[heady night]

3 hours and 28 minutes!

[crimson kayak]

Hello, when patch notes for new season?🤗

[heady night]

friday

[inner finch]

Shoebodydoo!

[primal abyss]

You are correct!

Hey @heady night was there a typo somewhere saying March 19th?

[turbid silo]

It looks like it was his post that has the typo 😄

Should be today March 16th instead of 19th @heady night (assuming that's you)

[main frigate]

Oh no worries. Just want to introduce you a new dessert you maybe like, full of milk flavour because the most important ingredient is good quality milk.

Double-skin milk is the name. Very simple to make, go to take a try :)

Derrick get up quite early. Good morning

[turbid silo]

Good morning!

This is the usual start time, just figured I'd chime in on what was mentioned since it's a big thing happening this week 😉

[willow sentinel]

Go on Derrick

Just click it

[main frigate]

Oh. Let's see.

[willow sentinel]

Release the beast

[turbid silo]

Haha, I'd be lying if I couldn't just flip the switch 😛

But it'll be at 11 AM CDT

[main frigate]

I don't hyped tbh unless EHG show everything

Oh... Forget a thing, any plans for public Gregory role with colours?

Only CM can own that so far

[primal abyss]

We have that feedback and more but right this second, I think we're going to focus improving anything that needs attention here. Then we can look into or consider if we add more color with roles/titles, etc

[main frigate]

Anything needs attention here mean what?

[primal abyss]

We recently pushed out the onboarding and to see if it resonates with newer or existing players and so on

[main frigate]

Yes

[primal abyss]

Not all feedback can be taken into account and implemented in a quick turn around because there are always other factors we have to consider. Let's say adding color, we'd have to figure out what exactly to have it's own color and to see if any overlap, etc.

Hope that helps makes sense

[main frigate]

A hint for colourful roles:

They can be gradient to make some difference

Hope that helps makes sense

[primal abyss]

it does so no worries

[south moat]

Hey Van, derrick & others

[primal abyss]

Howdy nub~

[main frigate]

Gradient colours = Kickstarter VIP & EHG members & Moderators
Single colour = normal players

[south moat]

How's it going today?

[primal abyss]

Doing alright! Hype Week starts today so there is that.

[south moat]

Mm yes
can't wait to see what you all have been cooking

[turbid silo]

We're excited as well 🙂

[ancient surge]

Hmmm... will there be thornclaw nerfs in the patch notes, I wonder.
I swear, my top 3 nemeses of regular play are those, the alchemist spirit mortar that just rapidly hits my face when I'm close to the source into guaranteed rip and the 3rd would be the rarer cases when the little thorn mosquitoes bunch up enough that they all get to hit me at the rather same time.

Other rips are more circumstantial, these are... too frequent.

[zealous siren]

I've been craving that first hype week post for soo long, I will inhale it like a blood thursting Mosquito 😄

[carmine smelt]

Always spirit barrage, sad

[primal abyss]

oh gosh that's a hungry lil Mosquito..

Keep in mind Hype Week is 4 days not just one 😆

[ancient surge]

I would have expected as much. It's not hype day, after all :p

[zealous siren]

so you're saying i shouldnt quench all my thirst on the first post?

[primal abyss]

Please, we need our blood to post the other days

[zealous siren]

xD

[primal abyss]

Eitherway, just hope everyone has fun this week

[ancient surge]

If the prospect of neck hernia can be counted as fun, I suppose. Aside from that, timberborn until LE patch day, I suppose.

[turbid silo]

We love fun!

[balmy arrow]

[primal abyss]

Hello Lizard gang~

[balmy arrow]

halooooo

[turbid silo]

Heyo!

[balmy arrow]

halo Derrick

[turbid silo]

How goes it?

[balmy arrow]

The first work day after the weekend is always hard xD

[turbid silo]

Couldn't agree more, but excited with Hype Week starting 😄

[balmy arrow]

It's finally warmer in our city

[turbid silo]

Yeah.... not here.

🙁

[balmy arrow]

Just yesterday it was -33 xD

[turbid silo]

Celsius?

[balmy arrow]

Today is already 0

[balmy arrow]

yep

[high kettle]

under the trailer too

https://imgur.com/8IxZgSV

[balmy arrow]

I'm looking forward to it

I just need to remember to buy the game xD

[heady night]

Yea i went by the trailer description. I would edit reddit posts if i could

[turbid silo]

Yeah, that's on us for missing that date, I've asked them to correct it albeit a bit late

[vivid portal]

How much time do I have till it drops so I know when to take my lunch at work

[prime cliff]

Should be 2 hours

[vivid portal]

Perfect, exactly around the time I run out of shit to do lol

[zealous siren]

😄

[turbid silo]

Fixed now

[carmine smelt]

Yeah thats annoying, I pinned a comment in your thread with the correction 🤷‍♂️

[turbid silo]

Yeah, weird indeed heh

[carmine smelt]

Was curious if mods could edit post titles and seems like no, probably for good reason to be fair

[inner finch]

im so ready

[south moat]

I'm not ready

[zenith pewter]

can't wait for the patch, let's go

[brazen mica]

There is something coming today ?

Hello*

[turbid silo]

Heya! Yeah, hype week starts today, first day blog post is at 11 AM CDT

[brazen mica]

Didn't know, thanks for the info 🙂

[turbid silo]

Of course!

[heady night]

im guessing to preserve the original title. so people dont flip flop on discourse and what not

https://giphy.com/gifs/woo-12QBgS1xGmP0rK

1 HOUR!

[carmine smelt]

Probably yeah, and wouldn't want people changing then lying about what it said before, or mods intentionally misrepresenting posts

[heady night]

yup exactly

[fair wing]

I can not express my excitement for season 4. Not. One. Thing. looks bad. This is gonna be the best season of ARPG's of all time. lets goooooo.

[turbid silo]

Wooo! Thanks for the kind words!

[true elk]

It better only be the best season of ARPGs of all time SO FAR

...unless this is the last time you touch Rogue in which case fair enough

[fair wing]

As I sit here and implement google SSO registration and TOTP login, I'm rushing so I can get it done before launch 😄

anddd i fixed it

[night marten]

the best ever of all ARPG's is going to be a tough hill to climb. how about we settle in to like best LE season? that seems more reasonable

[true elk]

I thought so too but Odin is busy hyping themselves up

and I'm not in the mood for bubble bursting atm

[silent pivot]

it's gonna be the best thing ever, step aside sliced bread

[fair wing]

How about the best of modern arpgs? I donno. To me it looks amazing but time will prove me right or wrong.

and we got debby downer @true elk Kappa 😄

[true elk]

I mean realistically we haven't seen enough to know how good it'll be

[night marten]

i think poe1 is still a modern ARPG...and it has definately had some pretty good seasons that would be tough to beat

tho i guess where you draw the line on modern

[true elk]

I mean the first day of hype week could be "and then we made our game give everyone turbocancer so they'll never have to go through tax season again"

[fair wing]

Honestly, me personal, I don't like POE1/2 at all.

[true elk]

PoE 1 is over a decade old lol

it ain't modern

it's halfway to classic even

[night marten]

its still getting updates and holds its own

[true elk]

I mean that'd be like calling WoW a Modern MMO when that's just... not true lol

[night marten]

idk why you went to comparing apples and oranges

[fair wing]

well, Wow seems to be the ONLY mmo Kappa

[night marten]

but ok

[true elk]

Because they're both older games that are still getting updates

terraria would be another example I suppose but idk it really is in a genre beyond idk "builder"?

[night marten]

pretty big jump from 13 years to 22 years tho and massively different genres. 'modern' mmos cant seem to stay alive...or even get properly released. lol

[true elk]

I mean they're doing well over in Asia

[night marten]

yeah, terraria i would put there with poe1 where it doesnt really feel like its old

[true elk]

(also most games aren't meant to be forever games, even MMOs, it's just cost prohibitive to make new ones)

lol sadly reality says "it is"

Probably says more about how stagnate their genres are than anything however

[fair wing]

I think I learned a lesson about discussing the best arpg of all time. lol

[true elk]

I mean yeah, the actual best ARPG of all time is Zelda 2 😐

[fair wing]

didn't think it would be so divisive. My bad. lol

[night marten]

idk. like some games just never really feel old or out of date

[true elk]

Again that's more an issue with their genre just kind of... failing to improve/innovate

[night marten]

yeah, maybe. or maybe its just that well done

[true elk]

Uh... no

If a game still feels modern over a decade later it's not just a case of being well done

[strong echo]

The only arpg I would have more hrd than le is possibly d2, and that was back when I was young and only working 40 hrs a week

[true elk]

You can have incredibly well designed games AND feel old/outdated

FFV is a well designed RPG... it's also nowhere near modern feeling

(for better and worse)

[night marten]

ninja throwing op

[true elk]

ninjas weren't even that good lol

(compared to the nonsense you could do I mean)

now FF3 Ninjas?

that's when they were REAL OP

[calm jay]

Yeah, but them and Sage were designed to be 'secrets'

[true elk]

No they aren't

[night marten]

throwing was easy and fun tho and hit the dmg cap.

[true elk]

FF3 just... kind of had this thing where new jobs replaced old ones

Yeah FFV was the first time hitting damage cap wasn't special

And it was really about multi-hitting

...it was also possibly one of the first pay to win games

[night marten]

aaaaaaaaaaaaanywho. back to hype week

[heady night]

shadow gang rogue this season

17 minutes!

[turbid silo]

⏰

[calm jay]

Paladin? Paladin.

[night marten]

look at everyone with their builds already

[true elk]

Yep, second LE tools is updated for the new season I'll make my Blade Dancer

[night marten]

using the new skills?

[true elk]

probably two of them, one crit, one tank

maybe a 3rd one if the new skills don't work with those

and if so it'll just be a meme build if you can stack the dashes

[calm jay]

Memes are the dreams we strive for anyway. True victory is coming forward with a meme build and succeeding anyway

[night marten]

this is the way

[true elk]

I mean, it's not hard to succeed with a meme build

BearBearBear started out as a meme build I did and ended up pretty fun, tons of dropbearing my problems away

[turbid silo]

Time really slows down as it approaches the release of something, crazy how that works 😉

[calm jay]

Watched pots never seem to boil.

[true elk]

Time is a relative wench, some smart guy who even proved it with math

[turbid silo]

I saw the initial message Chaos and it didn't appear and then I realized why 😄

[true elk]

yeah lol

I was like FINE, I'LL SAY IT IN FANCY

[pulsar geyser]

omg just realized its hype week

[night marten]

indeed

[fiery violet]

Finally league approaches

[true elk]

Yep, they're finally deleting falconeer hype levels are going straight to the moon!

[fiery violet]

I'm hyped about range animation changes

[night marten]

lol

one day falconer will be balanced. one day

[fiery violet]

I didn't chest with falconer lol

Lame

Cheat*

[calm jay]

Further proof. Birds are simply attack drones in waiting.

[fiery violet]

I came to the conclusion after many years of Poe and, a little of Poe 2 that last epoch is the best arpg, I'm pretty sure you guys agree what concerns me is the amount of builds avail, that is low

😔

[mortal bane]

I just got kicked for inactivity while actively listing idols in the Bazaar...

[night marten]

eh. i mean compared to poe that has what like 300+ skill dmg gems, yeah LE doesnt have 300 skills.

[fiery violet]

Yeah that's a 😞

[night marten]

not counting all the supports and stuff

[fiery violet]

You're telling stuff we all know brother

Which means LE needs more

[night marten]

there are plenty of viable builds in LE tho.

[fiery violet]

Yes but play le a few years and there's nothing new

[night marten]

i mean you are getting two this season.

[fiery violet]

And if something new arises on Le they all play it it's boring to play stuff everyone plays

[night marten]

nothing new in a few years huh?

[fiery violet]

You read that the wrong way

[night marten]

then dont play what the popular builds are on maxroll? no one is forcing you to

[fiery violet]

Never used someone else build on an rpg who does? Ppl with brain issues?

[pulsar geyser]

there are many builds that can kill abberoth but actually have to work towards a "meta" build to kill uber abberoth

[night marten]

then why does it matter to play stuff everyone plays?

[fiery violet]

Ah sorry that would include almost all arpg player base except a few, sorry ahaha

[vivid portal]

I don’t have time to create my own build because of work/ other responsibilities lol

[fiery violet]

Lol then I'm a genius cause I work I have child's and I got the time

Wow I'm pro

[vivid portal]

Would love to otherwise but it’s just too much work when I just want to blast

[heady night]

RELEASE THE HYPE! LET THE HYPE WEEK COMMENCE!

[fiery violet]

If you just wanna smash things take a hammer and go backyard or your house and smash things

[night marten]

no

you wait your turn

[fiery violet]

Technically RPGs are for brain usage not copying

[night marten]

it is out

[fiery violet]

But I get people are running out of neurons lately

[heady night]

LETSSS GOOO

[vivid portal]

Uh okay, you do you, not gonna take the bait, have fun arguing

[night marten]

on the forums

[heady night]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-4-shattered-omens-twitch-drops/80554

[fiery violet]

Truth ain't bait, it's just Truth

[silent pivot]

hype week has arrived, farewell yappers

[viral halo]

Gaming once was just a lay back and relax hobby, nowadays most people just seem to see it as a competetive min max challenge.. and screw studios for it... 🙁

[main frigate]

I agree available builds of poe 2 which I'm interested in playing is poor. Not sure le because I don't play that for 0.5 year

[vale panther]

any sec now xD

[night marten]

waaait? gaming for fun? in this economy?

[night marten]

its already out on the forums

[fiery violet]

Well LE is way poorer

[night marten]

the link is like 6 msgs above

[pulsar geyser]

is it just twitch drops?

[night marten]

idk you should go read and findout

[fiery violet]

There is a game where I never run out of builds actually dungeon and dragons online

But that's on another level

[vivid portal]

Aw, it’s just a twitch drop post

[true elk]

twitch isn't real

[turbid silo]

There is more coming ... 🙂

[silent pivot]

gib more teasers

[drowsy glade]

more coming today?????

[night marten]

today? that is a good answer

[silent pivot]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[brazen wing]

youtube drops

[night marten]

lol

[brazen wing]

free footprints is nice though, looks good

[calm jay]

DDO is unreal though, they did some kinda magic with their class system. Idk, actual wizards or smth

[violet jetty]

hype for twitch drops is a lull hype

[fiery violet]

Yee I like my vampire alchemist wizard rogue

[vivid portal]

There it is

[next cairn]

wtf its hype week already?

cant wait pog

[true elk]

Omen Windows? Are we going to be pushing other players out them? Too scary!

[median perch]

Hype

[inner finch]

Omen Linux

[rugged gale]

Oh come on! Seriously? The day after the big Warframe update???

[hybrid wagon]

temporal defenestration is no joke

[steep wraith]

Game died when they've only made 4 seasons since leaving ea.

[night marten]

lol you cant avoid every game ever

[crisp dust]

Why that void monster got a butthole on its forehead

[next cairn]

?

[calm zodiac]

Eterra showing signs of life? Is this real life?

[inner finch]

Its an omen!

[night marten]

technically no, its all digital

[lost steeple]

I think the bigger deal is that barely 2 weeks of the new poe league will have passed. Nobody is jumping ship for a post-buyout LE imho. And I say that as someone who really really likes this game

[mint edge]

Do I have to pay to try this update or have they not gone full blown swipe mode yet

[night marten]

i guess we will see how many people leave poe1 after 3 weeks when LE actually launches. there will be plenty of casuals who are going to be done with poe1 already

[fiery violet]

Yes I highly suggest to do the league after Poe 2 new one launched, else last epoch is always fked

[night marten]

the only paid thing, the class, is coming sometime next year

[viral halo]

wow, so much awesome stuff

[ocean roost]

Ohhh they added Omen Breach.

[proper ginkgo]

Poe and Poe 2 leagues alternate every two months, so they are always going to have that issue.

[steep wraith]

With season 5 lol

[night marten]

sounds more like harb, but ya