💬┃general

[cobalt fable]

i was happy saying gigachads

but the overall mood changed

[inner finch]

So the current one dictates that posting doomspam here every 1-2 days is the correct thing?

no criticism, no constructed opinion, no proper feedback

Surely there's something in there, if we pull with enough strength

[fervent lintel]

Unless bot

[inner finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBdGTX3vZc

[fervent lintel]

Still nothing. Bot confirmed.

[kind latch]

Boop beep boop. Hello fellow gaming associate in multiplayer video game! Game is deceased. Laughing loudly.

[fervent lintel]

They can save it with a subscription based matchmaking service for "single" players.

[jolly python]

They ruined it i see

[fervent lintel]

Yep, you should do a before and after video to show off the differences

[sonic river]

folks I just wanted to say I had an issue with something not showing up in game and these folks not only fixed it but threw in some extra stuff...I LOVE EHG....you guys keep on doing what you're doing! ❤️

[proper sluice]

I remember reporting an issue 3 times for the "spirit of fire" timeline quest echoes - one that is kind of mandatory for empowering monoliths unless you choose another lvl 90 timeline - where the furnaces do not seem to spawn. I even specified that they do spawn, but they are invisible. After 3 months, they still are invisible.

[fervent lintel]

You know, all this talk about the MTX not being up to snuff so that people actually want to buy it has me wondering--how difficult is it to learn if you have no background in it?

Also, what's stopping them from doing what Warframe does and outsourcing some of the work in return for commissions?

[simple bison]

Who would want to take on work in exchange for commissions when the risk is so high. Like yeah you can tell yourself you'll do better than EHG but is it worth risking weeks or months of work on something they themselves aren't really making money with when you can just take on a non commission based gig or a commission one for a company/project that has a proven record of actually paying out good commissions

Warframe has a proven working profitable model, super different from LE which has been in the red for over a year

[fervent lintel]

The idea behind the commission is that you get paid for each one that sells. Should you rely on it as primary income? No. Can it expand your portfolio or be a passion project? Yes.

[simple bison]

Yes but LE would be far down the list of choices is what I'm saying

[night marten]

if they already arent selling and EHG isnt making enough money...why would they split the profits?

[fervent lintel]

I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be players in the community who wouldn't like to contribute their own work and get paid for it

[simple bison]

Also it's not that the mtx themselves aren't profitable

They just don't make enough for the whole game to be profitable

[fervent lintel]

And at this point, the community concensus is that EHG's work isn't up to snuff, so a talented artist could confidently outstrip them in quality.

[simple bison]

A talented artist wouldn't do what would basically be charity work for LE though, like sure maybe someone out there would want to but that's a massive risk for EHG to bank on

[fervent lintel]

It doesn't need to be a risk though. It would be supplemental to what EHG already wants to do.

They only have to approve the design

[simple bison]

They still need to make the recruitment posts, actually recruit the person, give them the files and guidelines etc etc. it's not "yo submit some cool cosmetics and we might put them in"

[fervent lintel]

Nothing about that prohibits it

[simple bison]

It doesn't prohibit it but it means someone at ehg has to put in paid work to make it happen, instead of just hiring an artist that will work full time on it

[fervent lintel]

They need to do that anyway. Hiring a liason would be much simpler.

More importantly, it's a realistic avenue of monetization that generates good will in the community and doesn't have to encroach on gameplay.

[acoustic palm]

I can't wait to see the big roadmap, it will give us a hint on what LE is working on

[sour idol]

I'm praying and hoping it's a real roadmap

[night marten]

it has to be a real roadmap with actual details at this point

[acoustic palm]

I mentioned that most roadmaps are never respected as stuff always appears, but knowing what they plan on is a good thing

So we have an idea what to expect

[simple bison]

Imagine it's the same thing but without the season 3 with a checkmark. People would go ballistic

[fervent lintel]

Would actually be funny if they took my idea to ❌ out the dinosaurs on the roadmap 😄

[acoustic palm]

At that point it will be trolling

[fervent lintel]

And I'll love it

[acoustic palm]

I assume they want to show people that they care and want to make the game work

That's the whole point of making a roadmap

[fervent lintel]

It would be a nice joke to put in there while they show the rest of the good faith stuff they're working on

[sour idol]

You make a roadmap so you have a clear idea of what direction you're going and establish what's realistic, what's not

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, I mentioned that. And since they said that this one is big. I assume we will get a clear answer/ direction

[scenic fog]

Here's hoping we get some solid news about the direction of the game in the coming days.

[woven sentinel]

@maiden sky I see you in the vc bro 😉

[maiden sky]

🙂

[woven sentinel]

How's it brother

I'll be on at some point today 😄

[main frigate]

wait, last epoch 2? Excuse me?

last epoch 2 VS poe 2 VS titan quest 2 because it's interesting when all of them is sequal?

[woven sentinel]

When next season lol jk 🤣

[spare copper]

i love the game but sadge

[scenic fog]

I love this game too, a lot, it isn't as eye-crossing with its skill tree like PoE. It's just perfect.

[south moat]

There is no last epoch 2
it's a joke

[scenic fog]

Last Epoch 2!?

[dawn turret]

so how dead is the game now lmao
telling your community for years you wont do something and then doing it and breaking all the trust does quite a bit of damage

[woven sentinel]

Still active

[acoustic palm]

Thriving

Just a lil sleepy

[fervent lintel]

What an interesting, new, and novel take

[exotic solar]

If they dont show skill sigils on roadmap its gonna be a lot of trouble for them.

[clever hamlet]

well we know they're not coming for S4, we'll see for the roadmap

[exotic solar]

I know not for S4 but it being totally absent from roadmap would stink

[clever hamlet]

yea, tho it could also be scrapped for Paradox classes

[exotic solar]

Can be called unsalvageable

[clever hamlet]

I think that was the speculations

[exotic solar]

Not having it on roadmap would imply that which is another punch in the gut lmao

[clever hamlet]

fair point yea

[exotic solar]

Very rough position for EHG

[clever hamlet]

I feel like it all loses, no matter what angle they approach it from

[exotic solar]

Overpromise and you get tagged as frauds under promise and dont generate enough players game is tagged dying/dead.

[exotic solar]

Only solition is generating good hype and delivering banger S4 followed by banger S5.

Very hard target to hit.

And sadly they are famous for not hitting targets

[clever hamlet]

even then if they do but there's no skill sigils, it's a loss, if paradox is good, loss and if paradox bad, loss

• bugs not fixed for seasons on end, loss

there's gonna be a loss no matter what

[exotic solar]

I should have includes completing base game, you are right.

[clever hamlet]

some bigger then others sure, but still losses all across the board

yea we just gotta hope and prayge

[exotic solar]

Another problem is do players trust their roadmap and promises? They failed to deliver them many times in the past. They can be a laughing stock on reddit again.

[clever hamlet]

I've always found roadmaps to be weird, especially for games like this, they try to predict so much that it never works

just put 1-2 seasons ahead

and every season you release another

you keep the ball rolling, people still check and you don't have to redo or correct the roadmap, it's continuously being updated

[exotic solar]

Or they can have a schedule like poe and dont have to bother with all this mess.

[clever hamlet]

yea that works too

[exotic solar]

Only schedule they have is "god knows when lmao"

[clever hamlet]

tho I would say that the hype the announcements would bring could be good

so you always kinda know what's happening

[exotic solar]

Yeah definetly but when you have a schedule and stick to it you dont need roadmaps. You just do announcments.

[clever hamlet]

true true

[exotic solar]

People would know its coming they dont need you to say it

[clever hamlet]

hmm but they'd only know when it's coming, not what

[exotic solar]

I think they underestimate how many players this generates in the long run.

[clever hamlet]

fair point

[exotic solar]

Yeah but 2 weeks before release teasers and hype build up begins

[clever hamlet]

idk if hype weeks work that good tho ?

[exotic solar]

They do because you build your playerbase years after years and they hype themselves.

[compact mist]

south east server sucks, its now season 3 and the server still sucks

[exotic solar]

Wouldnt you be excited if you knew a new LE season coming in 3 weeks. Instead of this we would be speculating about new season. Not if the game is dead or not.

[exotic solar]

Sadge

[clever hamlet]

yea fair knowing when everything is but not what is better than knowing what but not when

[exotic solar]

Exactly hope they start to build up on that.

[woven sentinel]

Morning

[warm oyster]

Hi ... new member. 🙂 Can anyone tell me why i cannot input any chat ingame but i can read what other people are typing?

Sorry ... what i type does not register ingame but other players chats i can read

[woven sentinel]

How you mean not registering

[warm oyster]

When i type anything on my keyboard and hit ENTER nothing shows up in the chat

I restarted the PC, relogged into Steam and verified the game files .... that did not help

None of my chats (Public,party or global) does not work

Is it possible that i got flagged or banned by mistake?

[static plover]

is Increased damage of skills used by shadow bugged? damage difference not shojjwing up on tooltip

[willow sentinel]

Does trust tooltip too much, a lot of conditionnal dmg sources are applied too well

Go bonk the dummy in the arena

[static plover]

oh yeah huge difference

thanks

[south moat]

Gm 🥱

[inner finch]

☕

[main frigate]

18:00, I think I can say evening.

[south moat]

Yes

[woven sentinel]

Blank message?

[woven sentinel]

<@&1161418687471956101> blank messages in every single chat

[main frigate]

and USDT spam he posted

[acoustic palm]

morning friends and mods and EHG employees that hate me for yapping against the vision

[inner finch]

The vision is to have Falconer buffs next season, put some more power into that

[calm zodiac]

Sounds like a great day to start fighting

[calm zodiac]

Someone might look at your profile and say that you're a bit biased

[south moat]

Nah, no bias there

[acoustic palm]

Nah, no fighting, too early for that

[south moat]

Them's fighting words

[calm zodiac]

Also my new vision on that

is that they should release a battlepass

and put the class on the battlepass

so ppl can unlock for free or buy the pass to unlock right away

[inner finch]

Battlepasses carry a horrible FOMO aspects to them, not a fan

These things were engineered by marketing specialists

[main frigate]

Evening, milk tea time. Oh monster energy I ordered are arrived. I need to go to get my package

[shut quiver]

Battlepass in this game doesn't make much sense to me

Battlepass should be in games where you have a lot of playtime. And it rewards u for the time u put in

Most players play this game or any season oriented game for about a week or 2 and then jump to other games anyway

[inner finch]

What can work from a gameplay perspective is a sort of seasonal journey

I think its a much more gameplay encoureging mechanic (#💬┃general message )

[main frigate]

I want rewards based on how many hours you played le indeed

But I don't know what battlepass is

But which rewards EHG can provide is an issue

[pure crow]

just doing it the same way as poe would be great. Free battlepass giving just in game rewards, say the higher corruption you reach as it would count as the same as completeing atlas objecives, and then the paid part being you get an mtx set

the fomo is low then as really all youre missing out is just a mtx set

[shut quiver]

There's battlepass in OW, CoD, Destiny 2 or any shooter games in general where its the same maps or repeatable content so u're being rewarded despite playing the same map/mode/activity on repeat

Now if they can translate that to LE, sure. There's end game grind but realistically, how many players stick around for that grind

[pure crow]

you don't even need to make it like that fancy in terms of end game grind, just keep it simple, as you climb corruption, you get some small in game reward as the free tier of hte battle pass progresses

[shut quiver]

Corruption is end game grind tho, is it not?

[pure crow]

its exactly how poe does it, as you gain atlas passive points, you reach thresholds which give small rewards in the free tier

[main frigate]

The problem is climbing corruption is something bad and boring in endgame

[pure crow]

that way you don't miss out anything as seasons reset anyway

[obtuse bay]

they need more endgame content fr

[main frigate]

#suggestions message
That's my wishlist lol

[exotic solar]

Maybe count blessings, dungeon bosses and aberoth uberoth?

I would even add chapters to it too

[woven sentinel]

That just screws over the ones that can't play for long

[shut quiver]

^ Exactly why battlepass in this game doesn't make sense to me

Also notice how we're discussing live service topics like battlepass but not whats important for an arpg like content, end game loop and classes that are accessible to EVERYONE

[pure crow]

you should 100% get rewarded for playing longer

by that metric, someone that plays longer will have better gear than you, is that unfair? Ofc not

ofc rewarding just based on time spent is very dumb

and things like the person above suggested, chapter completed, corruption reached, bosses beat etc is a much better metric

[obtuse bay]

battlepasses in arpgs feels weird maybe bcs Ive never seen it

[shut quiver]

Idk this for sure but im guessing diablo has it. And someone already mentioned that so does poe

[night marten]

is kirac's pass in poe not a battlepass?

i guess its just cosmetics

the free side has the ingame stuff

[shut quiver]

But like i mentioned, battlepass is the live service aspect of the game. And its entirely up to the player whether or not they want to buy the said battlepass(assuming everything is cosmetic or just provides convenience)

Before that comes content tho. PoE has years worth of content so a battlepass there actually makes sense

[covert marsh]

Are there many builds in the endgame of this game? Or per class we are running the same equips?

[south moat]

There are plenty of different builds with different equipments

[night marten]

there is lots of endgame variety

as long as you arent trying to be like, super meta #1 overall everything

[covert marsh]

Thanks guys

Gonna play later when i get home

[woven sentinel]

oo have fun

[obtuse bay]

wow, nice catch, you are right 😂

funny thing is- it never felt like a battle pass because of challenges which like achievements

[south moat]

Tbh the kirac's pass is just getting the maps done so it's not even the challenges

[night marten]

yeah, it wouldnt be that hard to 'steal' that progression thought pattern. timeline bosses, corruption, woven echoes

[obtuse bay]

good suggestion

honestly having that progression and new goals are better than having no goals and doing repetitive things

[night marten]

yeah, i really wish EHG would do achievements and challenges and stuff. really give the players some other goals.

[acoustic palm]

Alsom not doing a reset for the new season was a blunder in arpg, I guess they didn't in s3 since it had zero new content and didn't want to upset people, but don't break the standard season arpg formula that worked for more than 20 hours.

New league, new start, and standard doesn't get it until next one. Otherwise everyone was done with your game in 20 mins.

[brittle hollow]

They did a reset.. what are you talking about ?

Unless you mean they shouldn’t have added the ancient era and the dinosaurs to the legacy realm or whatever it’s called until s3 ended

[acoustic palm]

Yeah, that's what I mean, if you add everything to standard, there is no point ot play the reset.

[night marten]

tons of people play the reset

most do

[acoustic palm]

Still, you can see the retenton rate being worst even than 1.1 lol. (40k drop to 25k vs 80k to 21k )

Especially since 1.3 featured a new campaign.

[night marten]

definately had nothing to do with poe2

for sure

[acoustic palm]

Well, with 6 poe leagues per year, they gonna be more careful with their releases then

[brittle hollow]

Well POE 2 screwed them twice over.. on purpose as well lol

Or it felt like it was on purpose

I get what you are saying but with 4 ARPGs you can have a rotation or 1 every 3 months or whatever. That would cover all4 with no issue

They could just.. talk between them to figure it out lol

[calm jay]

If it were only so wonderfully consumer-minded...

[brittle hollow]

Oh I know. It’s my number 1 gripe.. when POE2 was released I was like finally I would have a full rotation. Instead I’m barely playing poe1 or 2 because of it

[cobalt fable]

its hard to see a future for LE sadly

[dull seal]

i guess they sold out. sad. but they say it happens to everyone eventually. eventually

[round lake]

I don't think so any corporation will think like that. Those are all shark eating each other.

As LE is not anymore indie and belongs to the one of the biggest corporation molochs it's also not consumer friendly,

Hero siege is only one - friendly to consumer and ltruly istening to the community arpg, where you can really speak to devs and they will care and solve things on instant for you.

[round lake]

They told they want to be bigger and they can't without doing it. So it's about chasing greed and not dream.

[south moat]

More like they said they haven't made any profit and they have to do it so they don't have to shut down the studio + game

[ornate vine]

This game has too many foundational problems. It needs to be remade

[inner finch]

That might take a few weeks

[proper sluice]

years*

[dull seal]

how is hero siege these days?

[scenic fog]

A Mega Man avatar!? You've won the Internet love.

Good morning everyone.

☕

[south moat]

Gm Tigress

[calm zodiac]

They don't have to, theres ways to make them without fomo, you can simply allow ppl to buy them after they're over similar to marvel rivals.
Also, this would be a solution to drive engagement + revenue + keeping classes free

I genuinely don't see anyone losing here.

[calm zodiac]

While it is, its structurally very different from how it usually is in games, and can be easely completed in a week.

[calm zodiac]

There's ways to make sense, besides, both diablo 4 and POE have them, works for them, so why not join the train

[woven sentinel]

May jump on and do some Uber smashing

[calm zodiac]

Thats pretty much what a battlepass does, exept you can also get skins or wathever for the paid version of it.

[calm zodiac]

No, thats not how it works exactly in POE

In POE to progress in the pass you need to complete maps, to complete the pass you need to complete every single map on the atlas(Exept uniques)

So it would be the equivalent of getting to empowered monos in LE

[main frigate]

but it will quite easy

[calm zodiac]

So overall, its not like

"Oh i freaking love battlepasses and they're my favorite thing in the world yay"

But they do work for driving revenue and engagement, it could also be a way to give classes for free to people + incentivize them to make MORE class.

[calm zodiac]

But it is quite easy in POE too

I'm a POE2 player, this was my second league in poe1

By the end of the first week i had the pass done.

[scenic fog]

I'm looking forward to getting a video card that will let me play POE 2. Right now I am only running a 1050 :(

[calm zodiac]

Lets go to #📚┃off-topic for that one so the mods don't bonk

Also on that one

[stable forum]

I would be perfectly fine with a battlepass of some kind if it helped them generate some more revenue. As long as it isn't P2W and you can buy with epoch points from the store as well as earn enough points in the BP to buy the next BP.

[calm zodiac]

Isn't next week a terrible week to announce... anything?

TGA, diablo league, poe league

hmmmmmmmmm

[calm zodiac]

Yeah they could make it in a way like...
IF you buy it, you get the new class straight away
If you play the free version, you`ll get the new class after getting to empowered monos

So you can make a new character

Them boom, everyone is happier

[stable forum]

I mean they have said the class is bought, so I don't think they can make it free on the BP

[calm zodiac]

They could make it free on the BP, but you'd have to wait to have it, or you buy the pass, get some cool armor and the class right away

Thats how call of duty does for example

If you pay for the pass you get the new weapons right away

if not you can just play and unlock them on the free pass

[night marten]

i wouldnt try to copy anything COD does monetarily. their player base far outpaces every ARPG put together

i think a battlepass wouldnt be bad, if it was done correctly and not super fomo. i just dont think anyone has trust in it being done correctly here

[stable forum]

yeah, that's the rub lol

[shut quiver]

THIS^^^
I've been trying to point out this. Battlepass works for games that either have huge playerbase OR have tons of repeatable content. This game has neither. Going in the direction of a bp without first focusing on content will only make players lose what lil trust/interest they have

[night marten]

yeah, but it can work in an ARPG setting, with poe shows with the kirac thing. i do agree that games needs more stuff though.

but i would have preferred a bp over a paid class

think having a 'goal' would be better

[shut quiver]

Yeah that I can get behind. After all a bp is something a player will have the choice to buy or not. So if players don't like what they see in preview they can always just opt out not to buy but statistically, there will be those who will buy anyway, so all good there 😂

But having a paid class puts the "choice" in a grey area and I dont like the sound of that

[calm zodiac]

True, but even them, ignoring an idea just because its in cod even when its a good one isn't very good

[night marten]

thats fair. ideas are never particularly bad. but it is a massively different situation.

[calm zodiac]

i mean, it worked for the competition

I do understand that they need to build trust

Something they really haven't helped themselves too much with in those last 30 days

That said, it would be a middle ground solution that could work

[calm zodiac]

My point exactly

[night marten]

the biggest thing they can do right now is put a banger out in s4

[calm zodiac]

That i'm with you there

[south moat]

Guess we'll have some info next week

[night marten]

and while i hate how the 'updated roadmap' thing was handled, seeing what is announced for s4 could be a good step in that direction

[inner finch]

I know bugfixes aren't sexy, but i wish to see them as much as i wanna see new content

[night marten]

there always are a ton of bugfixes. just depends on if they hit what each player wants

[calm zodiac]

They also need to release some more cosmetics without a specific theme

so ppl are more interested in buying

[heady night]

Im guessing we getting the teaser next week if the new roadmap+blog post shared whats coming

[night marten]

maybe

[south moat]

Then we'll see that I wasn't just memeing about falconeer buffs

But just straight up lying

[woven sentinel]

Okay jumping on game

[bold bronze]

warframe has a free battle pass called nightwave and easy and digital extremes gives the players enough of time to finish it ( like three to four months)

i finish it in like 4 weeks

if ehg wants to add battlepass system they should look into warframes nightwave

[south moat]

I think they need to make the base content good first and get to proper schedule before adding in a pass

[bold bronze]

yes fix the base game and them add somewere down the line

[proper sluice]

I'll share my personal view on this, since it's not popular at all.
Despite everybody pointing to MTX being the ultimate monetization tool for this genre, I actually believe that stepping away from that would be a good thing in general.
If I understood correctly, one of the missions of EHG was also to create a "healthy" game. And a healthy game does not have the social pressure that brings value to status symbols.
Because let's be real, the reason why people buy skins is not purely aesthetic, ever, and it's pretty much the same reason why people buy (and some don't) branded clothes or muscle cars. They are status symbols, even if the user cannot usually distinguish the exact moment when, in their mind, that item with no practical use got so much associative value.
The gaming community is a particular population, mostly prone to unhealthy and addictive behaviors. There is a lot of research on microtransaction where there is a solid correlation between how much money one spends and how deep the IGD.
Here's just one paper. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33354616/

So, moving away from status related microtransaction towards service related ones is actually a healthier way to do things, despite whatever people say.

[night marten]

but if they dont make money...they wont get to 'down the line'

[calm zodiac]

While i do agree with you, there's a balance, i do mostly play alone or with a friend, so its not really status, i just like my character looking cool.
But beyong that, theres no business if they don't make money, so there needs to be monetization, LE sales aren't really exactly amazing, its nowhere near POE2 let alone diablo 4.
So we gotta think on both sides here, keeping an online game takes money, if there's no money there's no game.

Also monetization isn't bad or unhealthy, it just gotta be done in a good way.

[shut quiver]

Might be a hot take but if they make the base game and content good, they attract more crowd and can sell mtx and what not to make money. They release mtx and what not to a dwindling player base, they wont make much money to begin with

[calm zodiac]

I feel like that we're all in agreement with here, if content is good people will come back, so content is n1 priority

But the discussion is kinda going beyond that

they said that season 2 didn't profit much

and season 2 was great

So we gotta work out what can be done so the next time good content come around its also profitable content

[night marten]

s2 didnt profit because of the 9 month long dev cycle

if it was a normal dev cycle, prolly woulda been fine

[calm zodiac]

welp, aparently they can't make a season like that fast enough either

[night marten]

well...no. nothing they make in 4 months will ever be the size of 9 months. lol

but s3 had them being pulled in a few different ways as well with the campaign ch and such. s2 and s3 are both extremes on the good/bad season. s4 will be a much more 'normal' cycle...and much more indicative of what we can expect from them.

[calm zodiac]

Them lets hope wathever they deliver its enough to sweeten the pot

[night marten]

yep

[thick lotus]

as of "poe-type challenges/achievments/seasonal quests" - for me its 5 goals in game currently
finish acts -> unlock emp monos -> aberroth -> lvl100 -> uberroth (if possible)
rest feels like upgrading gear while getting here or there

and currently game is not that wide to bind endgame quests to somewhat other than t4 dungeons and monos

even t4 dungeons become a joke when you are getting close to uberroth

also, some challenge's difficulty could be different, based on cof or mg; as cof has access to more dungeon keys as example

[night marten]

i think you could add the woven echo boss fights in there

[thick lotus]

most of them really for just one-time completion for tree points, if you not need their unique

unless they hold some value i did not got, like nemesis tower

[night marten]

yeah, but you can still use them as stepping stones for measuring power/goals/challenges. even if you dont specifically want their uniques

[broken yarrow]

so guys, did you ditch LE already or will you keep playingg

[night marten]

its entirely too early to ditch it. there is at least 2 seasons before anything paid hits

plenty of time to turn stuff around

[main frigate]

Nemesis tower?

[south moat]

the woven echo

[main frigate]

hah... Good reminder, Zero impression on Conquered Tower

Confluence of Oblivion is what I thought but it's orobyss

Nemesis are pretty common in echoes so this woven echo be forgotten

[tardy bison]

uh it's like top 3 farmed woven echos.

[main frigate]

Find the memory back by watching a video. Fine the same environment assets from the tower in campaign but different enemies.

[fervent lintel]

This is a bigger problem than people realize. There are games I stopped playing because I didn't want to keep buying stuff for them, especially if it's content-related. Hell, I haven't played Factorio since the expansion released for mostly that reason, despite liking the game.

That said, there are ways to do it that people can tolerate. Torchlight Infinite has paid classes when the class comes out, but becomes earnable/free later.

[gritty helm]

You are right, but it also depends on how often they want to relase the classes for LE

If it's one by one class relase, and each one is sold separately it makes sense

If it's a bundle of subclasses or something like that, well not much reason for doing that

Personally I don't think even EHG knows that yet, because it's so early in paradox classes development

[inner finch]

I assume that currently its... a network of ideas

EHG has this habit of telling us about stuff very early

[gritty helm]

Yep.
I mean it's two seasons away, so it might very much be early 2027

[woven sentinel]

yeah bear is getting nerfed, earlier, kartal and i did a 32k corruption shade and it died within 5-10 seconds from bear and ballista haha

[autumn briar]

real shade or confluence shade?

[south moat]

Bear gonna drop to 30 dmg earthquake (not 30%)

[woven sentinel]

end of echo world shade thing

[woven sentinel]

haha

[autumn briar]

he uses confluence shades to push, those are way weaker

real shade in 5 seconds is crazy

[woven sentinel]

how is it confluence shade?

[autumn briar]

the woven echo one

[woven sentinel]

nope

the corruption end of world

to increase corruption

[autumn briar]

confluence shade increases corruption

that's why his whole 30k push is a joke

its way easier, plus you dont lose a gaze when you die

[gritty helm]

early D4 druid ?

[woven sentinel]

isnt the confluence shade where u fight multiple shades?

[autumn briar]

yeah its the multiple shade one\

[woven sentinel]

nope we faught 1 shade

wanna see the twitch clip?

[autumn briar]

no

just wanted to confirm it was real shade

[woven sentinel]

let me find the twitch clip for u

sent to u

[autumn briar]

if you duo'd together from the start he'd be at 60k by now, probably more

[woven sentinel]

Probably

But only recently met him lol and he asked me to join for fun and lols he didn't expect me to kill it fast with him. He said I'm his duo shade partner haha

[autumn briar]

even more when i think about it. only need to 1 echo, no time wasted finding cemetary. shade fight length reduced by minutes. its like 10x multiplier on productivity

[woven sentinel]

Yep

[autumn briar]

did he want you to stay around or were you just testing it out?

[woven sentinel]

Cuz I'm build for boss killing. I left so he could do the echo then he reinvited for shade

I did a few shades with him then he went off and did other things

[severe socket]

I want them to drop hints at actually improving Marksman "very early".

[scenic fog]

Marksman is a mood... I agree, it doesn't feel very good to play...

[severe socket]

That's a gross understatement.

[inner finch]

they are working on combat feel

[severe socket]

MM is a joke.

[inner finch]

I just hope that they know what we like

[scenic fog]

I am, however, thoroughly enjoying my lightning sorc.

[severe socket]

And those two "uniques" which absolutely murder two mastery-exclusive skills while not offering ANYTHING in return are just salt on an already festering wound.

[inner finch]

I also hope that EHG invests more in strengthening mastery fantasy, yes

I want masteries to feel less like i selected a different bunch of skills, and more like playing a different class

[severe socket]

I'm talking about Ravager's Dart and Jelkhor's Blast Knife if anyone is curious.

Yes, you can tell, I'm SIZZLING MAD about those two.

[scenic fog]

I would like to see ascendancies that are tied into more interaction with Eterra.

Ultimate class archetypes.

[inner finch]

Technically, they are

is just that the lore to tie things down is very loose

When was the last time you have seen a group of rogues in Eterra

[severe socket]

Or primalists, for that matter?

[scenic fog]

The Lore is a vastly untapped resource.

I want the world to feel more impactful, instead of an arena to blow things up.

I want, and I've said this before, I want Orobyss to be terrifying, I want him to randomly show up in monolith echoes to stop you. I want him to be angry, I want Eterra to be involved too.

[severe socket]

For real though, we've seen absolutely NO factions, alliances, unions, ANYTHING, which would correspond with respective playable classes.

Except MAYBE for Sentinel, and even then it's an opposing faction.

The reason I'm calling 0.9 the biggest and the reddest flag LE had to wave for me is the fact that they ditched classes' intro shorts without elaborating on WHY they did it.

Among other things.

Back then, Rogue was somewhat involved with Maj'elka (a rogue for hire as stated by herself verbatim), and the Sentinel was a literal deserter from Rahyeh's army.

[scenic fog]

I want the screen to get a little darker, I want frightning sounds to fade in, and then I want the world I am in to have perceptive cracks accompanied by a loud thud. Thud.... crack.... thud thud THUD!~ shatter and then Orobyss shows up... a terrifying avatar of all that is dark, and cold, and empty.

"You dare!?"

Tell me that wouldn't be freaking awesome.

[severe socket]

If that scene is rendered even remotely similar to what we have right before Majasa (or that "fight" between Heorot and Rahyeh)...

...I don't even want to imagine it.

[scenic fog]

Oh god no, in my mind, this happens during gameplay. I wouldn't want to mess with the flow.

Don't mess with my camera bro, that's my philosophy.

Let me play the game, tell me the story while I am flowing with my build.

You fight Orobyss, take about 15% of his health and then Eterra "seals" him again.

then you get a reward for surviving

I mean, its an arpg right? Storytelling should be hands off, but also action-y. Make us love the characters, make losing them matter, but through gameplay, not cutscenes.

Let me paint an example, let's say a named Osprix swoops in , in the beginning of the game, stuns you and goes to make the killing blow, and then fwoosh... crackle... Grael swoops in and saves you with his ice magic, then counters and kills the big bad. It is a stop, but it is a stop that makes sense in action games.

He helps you up and introduces himself.

and you have those introductions in gameplay.

[severe socket]

I like how Grim Dawn handles it.

[inner finch]

I know of a game that handles it decently well

but i dont wanna get egged

[unique drum]

Is there a way to quickly toggle filtered items to see anything hidden?

[night marten]

x normally

but it depends on your keybinds

[radiant rose]

A moment of silence for 11th Hour Games.

Last Epoch was an amazing game and it offered nearly anything you could want out of an ARPG, just as it was envisioned by 11th.

That being said. 11th is now just a name. Krafton owns 100% of everything and now has complete control over LE. The game of vision is now dead and will only continue to be a Whale farm. We haven't even begun to see how bad it will get yet, but the inclusion of paid DLC classes is clearly and literally against Unknown Worlds promise and vision.

The cost of selling your soul.

[scenic fog]

insert meme gif of Homer being force fed donuts in hell

[obtuse bay]

hello everyone

[unique drum]

Thx

It hasn't even been long enough for them to release the next season after krafton but somehow the game and vision is dead. Must be from the future

[gritty helm]

hello

[inner finch]

Thanks for telling us what being bought out means. Appreciate it.

[gritty helm]

Considering they had to be bought up the game was technically DoA. So idk what's with "it used to be amazing, but now it's crap"

Nothing has changed

[inner finch]

who maintains the list of users that will return the moment a patch good enough for them comes out

[gritty helm]

good question

[unique drum]

Tencent bought GGG and theyve done nothing but put out high quality content. Why so doomer?

[gritty helm]

Anyhow it's not like Krafton demands the seasons to be bad (quite the opposite), so if the game dies at least we get couple of seasons more than without them.

[inner finch]

i believe im among many who dont like the fact Krafton bought EHG, at all, its just that the whole ceremonies of telling us how the game is dead is very amusing to me

[scenic fog]

I honestly don't understand the position, ARPG players are eating well, so well in fact I would say this is the best time to be an ARPG gamer.

[gritty helm]

Ye. I think expansion approach is a mistake, and I have doomer approach (perks of being slav I guess).
But on the bright side

We get more LE worst case scenario

And as bad Krafton is, I could probably name 10 worse publishers

[acoustic palm]

What happened to warrant the moment of dooming? Any news?

I want to see roadmap v2 final edition first, give them some credit, allow them to dissapoint us firstly

[inner finch]

there's also doomer roadmap

somewhere there's a block of telling us the game is dead when Judd leaves

*subject to change

[gritty helm]

Which would be false IMO.
Rocky launch of 1.0 would be the moment it "started to die" me thinks. But it's hypothetical so who cares.

[zinc blaze]

if the free content of the updates are great and the games enjoyable to play I'll probably get the dlc class when it drops

if the free content is mid/bad then no matter how good the dlc class is I an't buying it

[gritty helm]

Yeah

[acoustic palm]

Kind of the same 1.4 has to be 1.2 level from now on, anything 1.3 and I'm not touching the game again

[zinc blaze]

1.3 was last cycle right, with the time beast things

[acoustic palm]

yeah

[zinc blaze]

yeah I bounced hard off of 1.3 then

[gritty helm]

how do you feel about 1.1 btw ?

[inner finch]

I don't want to give Krafton a single cent, and i understand that will be reflected on EHG's papers from corporate. Its going to have to rock my world to get money out of me, but im not calling quits

[acoustic palm]

I only joined at 1.2

So I have no idea

[gritty helm]

ah ok

[acoustic palm]

Actually, I played the game at 1.0, by [redacted].

Redeemed myself and bought the game at 1.2

[gritty helm]

I cannot comment on that.
I have WOTC/Hasbro IP character as profile pic. And that's infinitely worse company lol

[acoustic palm]

Sorry EHG 🙁

[inner finch]

Sometimes media we like is owned by people we don't

[unique drum]

The problem really boils down to they released a $30 game and now are expected to keep updating it for years and years. And not just little patches, we talking full dev team commitment. That costs a lot of money.. I dunno why people cant sympathize with that. They should have charged more up front or f2p but that's all hindsight now

[inner finch]

such is life

[zinc blaze]

tbf as long as a company doesnt send the actual Pinkertons at someone, its hard to be as bad as them

[gritty helm]

I have no ground to complaint about publisher practices, since I still sometimes hand over cash to wizards

[gritty helm]

about that

They did

[zinc blaze]

yeah WOTC sent the wrong cards to a youtuber and then sent the pinkertons to the dudes house

[inner finch]

i know nothing about MTG, and sometimes im happy that way lol

[zinc blaze]

its a fun game attached to a crummy company

[gritty helm]

No wonder Hasbro milks WOTC considering it's literally the only subsidiary keeping them from bankruptcy

[zinc blaze]

yea

[inner finch]

All i know about Hasbro is toys, and for the longest time power rangers

[gritty helm]

yep, and transformers

[zinc blaze]

WOTC has dungeons and dragons and magic the gathering... funny enough they made the pokemon trading card game for a while until nintendo took it back

WOTC makes bank

[gritty helm]

I think f2p with heavy cosmetic monetisation eventually will happen, but we will see

Expansion at least tells me that it's EHG decisions, considering it's very much traditional model

[gritty helm]

They literally print money

[zinc blaze]

yuppers

[inner finch]

I also know that special collectables for kids dont exist anymore, because adults buy them bulk to flip and resell

[severe socket]

Provided EHG manages to push one out before the sitch passes the point of no rebound.

[inner finch]

hey, maybe we can all pitch in and rebuy EHG off of crafton for a lower value

i dont have 96m, will 300 bucks do?

[severe socket]

Good luck with that. Probably start with Superfuse first since that IP has literal zero as monetary value.

Or it had at the point of cutting losses during Stitch Heads' bankruptcy process.

Heard nothing at all since it's been finalized.

Like it never existed to begin with.

Besides...

[gritty helm]

I love that quite a lot of scalpers did that to spiderman set only to realise it was crappy and nobody wants to buy it at retail price, let alone inflated one

[severe socket]

About Unity as LE's engine...

Is it even fitting for the purpose?..

[gritty helm]

I think that's a wrong question. Considering how complex making the engine is, the question is:
Was picking it over UE5 a good choice

[severe socket]

Scalpers should be scalped and used as Halloween decor.

[severe socket]

UE5 has its own fair share of issues from what I know.

[gritty helm]

yes

[severe socket]

And I do know how complex engine-making is.

[prisma trench]

Hey, did they release the S4 date yet?

[severe socket]

After all, Crate had a very decent head start with their version of Iron Lore Engine.

Nope, not yet.

[severe socket]

And even then, developing Grim Dawn took multiple years.

Because it's both engine improvements and subsequent game improvements.

[inner finch]

We're going to get news about it in the upcoming week

[prisma trench]

Thank you so much!

[severe socket]

Still, the team was orders of magnitude less in size compared to LE's.

But they were efficient.

Somehow.

Heck, their Farthest Frontier has exited EA recently.

[inner finch]

Well, start with an incredibly basic and old engine

[severe socket]

And it's built on Unity too.

Dunno how many people they have right now.

[inner finch]

"oh no they are using Unity for this" was legitimately one of my takes with LE from day 0 lol

in hindsight, idk if i would have said that

[gritty helm]

I don't think it was much of a choice tbh

[zinc blaze]

something something UE5 lighting issue something something

[severe socket]

With last year's engine pricing controversy, I'd say Unity is now a tainted soil.

[gritty helm]

something something 15 FPSes on decent rig something something

[inner finch]

I mean, ideally i would love it if they would create their own engine, but own-engine is not for hobbyists who wanna make something they have never done before

[zinc blaze]

[severe socket]

Diving straight into live-service-game territory without prepping HEAVILY, in advance too, is even less so.

With two consecutive major patches, including the supposed-release one, having RIDICULOUS backend issues to boot.

[inner finch]

the yolo approach is what we liked about the project, oddly

[gritty helm]

But all things considered, I think it went quite well. Monetisation was the fumble hilariously enough

[severe socket]

Honestly? It would've been safer for them long-term to keep the game single-player.

As far as funds are concerned, that is.

But... here we are.

[inner finch]

EHG could have kept developing the game with a skeleton crew as a side project, but that would mean crowd funding won't work

[severe socket]

And I legit have zero ideas how to fix this mess. Or at least patchwork it up somehow.

[inner finch]

They got a quarter of a million dollars up front on a promise and got to work

We already had 2 year delay on 1.0

[severe socket]

Which... kinda reminds me of NRFTW.

Wonder how Moon is faring right now.

[gritty helm]

IMO microtransations have to step up, but considering it does not happen overnight. Well getting a publisher was a right choice.

[inner finch]

I have to say, you gotta be very brave to promise the world and have this little to no experience with self-developing such projects

[severe socket]

Mess with Rahyeh, get the heat, I guess...

[inner finch]

Can't handle the Rahyeh, get out of the kitchen

[severe socket]

Explains, in its own twisted way, why Heorot's chill approach didn't work.

[gritty helm]

His fault.
Should have stacked up defensive layers rather than relying on block.

[severe socket]

Nah, you can't really block hitscan.

Projectiles, maybe. Hitscan, you're screwed by default.

[gritty helm]

hmm, true

[severe socket]

Reminds me of UT days.

Shock combos galore.

[zinc blaze]

man I hope the next update makes the survive the fight between herot and fried chicken god a cutscene with the cool art and not what it is rn

I swear that fight just cooks my pc and I get like 4 frames

[severe socket]

And don't even get me started on whatevertheheckery right before Majasa.

[inner finch]

we dont talk about the fight animation

[inner finch]

Also here's a piece of awful information

[zinc blaze]

[inner finch]

The burning forest is the most poorly optimized scenery in LE

[gritty helm]

yeaaah, I'd rather have the art rather than in game cutscene

[inner finch]

and echos with it as a setup will run at half the framerate

[zinc blaze]

[severe socket]

Nah, Monolith ! Wengari Fortress still takes the cake.

ALL THE WAY DOWN UNDER 10 FPS

[inner finch]

Wengari fortress runs poor, but not burning forest poor

[zinc blaze]

let me run the catacombs map on repeat

bring on the walls you can shield charge through

[severe socket]

Burning Forest my laptop could handle more or less well.

THAT screwery? I'm TOAST until corpse collector kicks in.

And it's a R7-5800H+RTX3060 I'm talking about for crying out loud.

[inner finch]

heavy builds dont care about your machine

[severe socket]

ON EVERYTHING ON OFF+LOW.

[inner finch]

even with a 9950X3D and a 4090 i can't run a maxed out runemaster and stay afloat over 60

[severe socket]

I deliberately keep the game on its primitives just to preserve my hardware.

AND EVEN THEN

THE GAME RUNS LIKE SH!!!T

IN THOSE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES

Like, for real...

[inner finch]

The visual rule that every source of light should reflect with high resolution off any surface kills lots of builds

[severe socket]

That's another thing, btw, that throws me off.

WHY MAKE THE GAME SO GLOSSY IN THE FIRST PLACE

FFS, give reflection only to those surfaces which make goddamn sense to have it.

[inner finch]

The programming didnt count for Frost claw nova builds lol

[severe socket]

PLAYABLE CHARACTERS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST OUT FROM AN OILY MASSAGE SESSION

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[zinc blaze]

at the very least, the people of Solarium traditionally use olive oil to clean themselves as baths are seen as an afront to the chicken god, so they got a good reason to look oily

[severe socket]

Like, I can understand Rogue, she's that kind of girl alright. Acolyte couldn't GAF even if she wanted to because she's one foot in that content inspiration place. The rest of the squad? Come on.

[inner finch]

its important for me to note that this is a problem from 1.0 that only got worse since 1.2

[zinc blaze]

my previous message is a headcannon to explain why everyone looks so oily

[night marten]

i dont think they said anything about a date. just roadmap content. that may or may not include a date

but i wouldnt hold my breath

[severe socket]

People of Solarum are a literal army like full goddamn time so I doubt they have it in 'em to oil up unless they want to have some extra thermal capacity to their own skin.

I mean, have you seen Orian?

[zinc blaze]

nah thats how ancient greeks took a bath (if they were wealthy I guess)

also hygine is very important for an army to not die of disease

[severe socket]

Bro is a literal torch.

[inner finch]

New damage type - oil

[zinc blaze]

tbh I don't think a torch can get dirt on it

[inner finch]

I know the Monk can use it

[severe socket]

Fire-converted Acid Flask, Cinder Strike-spawned Volatile Flask...

[zinc blaze]

give a bird a bag of firebombs to throw too

[severe socket]

Cinder Strike even has that coating thing on the bottom right of the skill tree.

[zinc blaze]

[inner finch]

if PoE2 gets oil, so should LE

[severe socket]

Oiled-up Lagon cosplay when

[inner finch]

You oil yourself before wrestling with mobs

[severe socket]

Ascendant Embermages be like: MMMMMMMM, toasty!

[unique drum]

Is this blossom of immortal stone any good? Seems interesting. I can just completely ignore those 3 resistances?

[night marten]

its good, its just in a very competitive spot

but yes, you can ignore those three

[unique drum]

Yea even though the rest of my amulet is useless this +2 points and 20 total attributes is hard to get rid of

[blazing gyro]

Does anyone have any fun ideas for builds? I want some inspiration for cooking something up. Don't care if its viable

[frank bramble]

fun ideas? unarmed cinder strike with falcon fists, always thought how it would look like xD

[blazing gyro]

I am a cinderstrike enjoyer eventhough it's mostly awful. I've never tried unarmed version

I'll give that a go

[broken siren]

I find this a bit weird but Zerrick is showing up in 100% of my maps

gonna log out and back in and see

[main frigate]

That was the best cycle because it last 9 months so I tried everything I want to try, plus do some fan art even

[zinc blaze]

Announced a paid dlc class

[brittle hollow]

a year out

[main frigate]

A blast of resentful mood caused by paid class + roadmap of roadmap + EHG betrayed their words

[frank bramble]

people, including me got angry because we were given information without details which sounded very bad by itself and got no further explanations, it all just went in a very bad direction and people went judgemental instantly

[frank bramble]

pretty much that in one sentence yes

honestly that announcement shouldn't have come out at all in that form, we should have been given some real teasers and shit, then people maybe wouldn't have gone bananas as they did

[true cedar]

so are there enough people playing the game still for merchant's guild to be worthwhile or should i just go cof?

starting a new char for the first time in a while

[south moat]

I'd just go cof tbh

[willow sentinel]

Not really no

[scenic fog]

Honestly, I think the path being taken is the most thoughtful and logical choice, despite an 8 year old promise being taken back. They have to keep the lights on somehow and I for one want to see LE continue to grow and develop, they can't do that if they can't pay the people making new stuff for us...

[zinc blaze]

yuppers

[scenic fog]

However, that being said, it would've been nice if they took us aside and said "Look guys, we know what we said in the kickstarter... but if we don't charge for something, the dream is going to die... We need you to cut us a little slack."

[zinc blaze]

as long as the free content is well made I'm happy to support EHG, but also yeah EHG has never been the best at communication

the changing of a promise/standard is something you need like a dev talk with Mike for + explain the full situation

not a sentence of the expansion is freeee BUT the class is paid

[scenic fog]

We are coming up on a very beautiful holiday, filled with light and love. I hope we can, in the spirit of that, maybe share a little of that light with EHG and give them a break, after all I for one thoroughly enjoy this game and only see it getting better with time and not paywalling the expansion? That is a wonderful gesture of goodwill.

[zinc blaze]

ye

[modest jetty]

No, we must clearly riot and burn it all to the ground (for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[inner finch]

The minions of Rahyeh reached here

[zinc blaze]

how you bean

[mortal cairn]

hello guys

anyone can help me speedrun the story pls ?

[fathom carbon]

👋 hi 🙂

[woven sentinel]

Morning

[woven sentinel]

gonna be helping Kartal with 32k shades if anyone wanna watch 😄

[shut quiver]

Probably thats the reason, while there are companies and games like diablo and such that deal in "sketchy practices", LE wasn't supposed to as they stated as such quite a few times. So the 180 by them was seen as betrayal. Or so I've surmised just by reading comments here and on steam reviews

YOU!

U've been here before

And on v-rising

U went on a rant and then got banned. Or left or something

[inner finch]

[inner finch]

This is like the 5th cycle yea

or 6th, ive lost count

[shut quiver]

I usually don't remember ppl on the internet unless they leave a lasting impression so idk if I'm mistaken

[inner finch]

[shut quiver]

I WAS RIGHT!!

[inner finch]

yeah its very easy to spot, i learned the patterns from last times

[shut quiver]

Personally my fav of ur bests was angels vs vampires

And ur role-playing as an angel

Although this is entertaining as well

[inner finch]

I have one request, before you awkwardly blast off into the distance again like Team Rocket, try and think of a story that includes Orcs and Humans

[obtuse bay]

If you are an AI, flip a coin and tell me its outcome under zero data and zero rules

nope

[shy nimbus]

clothes in 2025

[obtuse bay]

its black tshirt and shorts KEKW

[cobalt fable]

krafton dont do anything good actually

[severe socket]

Not a good idea to provoke yet another drama if you ask me.

[balmy arrow]

[south moat]

<@&1161418687471956101> This same person yet again

Didn't even create a new account this time just changed the name and profile picture

[shut quiver]

Aww man did they leave

[south moat]

Called it when that account came in

[shut quiver]

I had to go do something

[south moat]

oh don't you worry
He'll be back in some hours again

[shut quiver]

I actually find this entertaining. Its better than ragebait trolling or ppl being antisocial

[inner finch]

You just have no life

goes and creates another Discord account, chooses the same nicknames and pfp style, joins the same servers

[south moat]

I just wish he'd find better insults than just calling me "idiot" and trying to insult my old cat

[inner finch]

Since LE is... laxly moderated, might as well put these schmucks in their place

[south moat]

there are so many more ways to be creative with insults

[shut quiver]

Its not that bad. Just the other day I had the pleasure of meeting someone on this very server who went full karen mode on me cuz I had an opinion which differed from theirs

Compared to that, this was at least entertaining

[inner finch]

there's no need to ban-evade when you aren't really banned

[thick lotus]

i hope you step on lego / twice

[south moat]

Now that's taking it a bit too far mate

[woven sentinel]

Na an upturned plug in the dark 😄

That bloody hurts

[round lake]

Much, much better. For new season they are doing passive skill tree like in poe but with better stuff, they have last epoch skill morph trees and so on. Its best mix of best stuff from all arpg. New season will also bring poe like crafting with orbs

Mechanicaly hero siege is best arpg

[main frigate]

🤔 Why it's mixed on both of recent reviews and all reviews

Oh I don't need to learn... Hero siege includes roguelike element

[round lake]

Rogue lite here mean rng loot. Its more of pre 2.0 when game got changed to be more of arpg than a rogue lite but tag stayed.

About reviews - they are releasing some dlc as free now and i guess people are angry b payed for classes that are free now. (They will got skins) Not sure though

If u ask about my up post.

[quick snow]

82% negative on steam past 30 days 🤣

[scenic fog]

Good morning everyone :)

[round lake]

Yeah but now i guess we talk about two diff games and got little confused

Hi

[main frigate]

Hero siege is quite cheap compare with another games in this type...

[south moat]

gm indeed

[main frigate]

oh wait... But complete game is super expensive

🤔 14 class dlcs, the price of the bundle is as same as a 3a game

? wait a moment. Hero siege is released in...2014?! 11 years old already?!

[scenic fog]

I really hope they give us a way to break down uniques into something useful.

[shut quiver]

Come to think of it, are there any games where u can do that with legendary/unique items?

[south moat]

Grim Dawn you can shatter legendaries yes
can get some rarer crafting materials from it

[shut quiver]

Huh! All these years and I never tried that once in that game

[south moat]

You unlock it after you bring dynamite to the inventor for his quest
and his apprentice offers that service for you

[shut quiver]

No I know that part

But i never really bothered with it cuz u know, dynamites

[south moat]

Ah right

[scenic fog]

Diablo 3 let you break uniques down into a crafting material, and passive buffs.

[shut quiver]

Crafting materials is kinda given but buffs is interesting

[south moat]

Yeah with kanai's cube you can extract their legendary power
so you could always have the effect of Furnace (more dmg against elites) while not wearing it for example

[strange umbra]

Morning 🙂

[scenic fog]

Got your coffee and muffin, Muffin? :)

[severe socket]

Hey.

[strange umbra]

I do indeed haha

[scenic fog]

☕

[strange umbra]

[obtuse bay]

muffin LFG!!!

[scenic fog]

I still need to get mine yet

[obtuse bay]

morning coffee ❤️

[strange umbra]

made some 🥞

for Mrs Muffin 🙂

now just chillin with my morning coffee

thought I'd say hi

[obtuse bay]

you should chat with us more ❤️ and mrs muffin is so lucky for having you hehe

[scenic fog]

Hope everything works out with the game.

I love LE a lot, want to see it succeed.

[strange umbra]

Looking forward to players seeing this 🙂
#news message

[obtuse bay]

don't spoil us like that

I am excited

[strange umbra]

im not spoiling anything haha - I would never!

😉

[main frigate]

You can. Judd is offline now :)

[obtuse bay]

and since it's 11th hour games, I am expecting new details at 11 am or 11 pm depends on the day of next week

[strange umbra]

I like my job - ty 😛 lol

[scenic fog]

Oooo, can't wait!

[obtuse bay]

muffin is cooking smth but it is not pancakes this time

[strange umbra]

haha I am sadly not the kind of dev most players care about 😛 I actually just got recently promoted to a new role

I am now over all internal tooling, systems, build machines, github stuff, cloud admin etc now

I still work on the Bazaar serverside stuff - but thats about all the direct player-facing in-game stuff I do

[south moat]

Gm muffin

[strange umbra]

mornin nub!

[night marten]

why you gotta come in here on a weekend and stir stuff up sir

[twilit scaffold]

yo hello guys

[strange umbra]

You looked bored

❤️

[night marten]

bruh i am super busy with secret stuff. i am def not bored right now. lol

[strange umbra]

lmfao

[strange umbra]

[obtuse bay]

Idk you but Ive seen some people were asking about you earlier, some of them were like fans of you which is nice 😂

[night marten]

also apparently grats on the promo?

[strange umbra]

haha aww - I do talk to players a ton - often in-game too

[main frigate]

so what your role in EHG is now?

[night marten]

muffin is super chill dude. very nice. top 5 favorite dev

[strange umbra]

I remember loving Blizzard Blues talking to people in-game like 20yrs ago

I enjoy giving that vibe to LE players

[twilit scaffold]

can i ask something about this game here?

[strange umbra]

#💬┃general message

[south moat]

Yes

[night marten]

you can ask all you want. getting a good answer tho, thats the tough part

[main frigate]

Yes, I mean the name of your new role

[strange umbra]

Principal DevOps Engineer

[night marten]

instead of server man, he is super server man

[strange umbra]

lmfao

[main frigate]

lol

[night marten]

omg why do you have a superman muffin

[strange umbra]

im a big Superman fan

[night marten]

you are so incredibly prepared its crazy

[strange umbra]

my son-in-law made that graphic for me for my birthday last year

[glacial crown]

Muffin, what do you love most about your job?

[main frigate]

son-in-law 😱

[strange umbra]

A lot of what I do is building tools that empower others internally - my friend described it as being a "force multiplier"

and it very rarely ever feels like "work"

[glacial crown]

You increase others DPS 🥹

[strange umbra]

im an aura bot for Engineers

lmao

[glacial crown]

😂

Thanks for sharing!

[strange umbra]

anytime

been at EHG about 2.5yrs now - and still loving it for sure

[unique frigate]

any cloud/DevOps certification you would recommend?

[strange umbra]

not off the top of my head - I've been AWS/Azure certified at variosu points - but I mostly got the new role because I've been a backend (server side) engineer for 20+yrs - and its all skills ive learned along the way haha

[main frigate]

20+ years as a backend engineer... But I think Muffin still quite young

[unique frigate]

over 20 years oh damn haha, congrats

[strange umbra]

[south moat]

Muffin is young for an old man, yes

[strange umbra]

😛

I have 2 grandkids

[woven sentinel]

muffin is so old

[main frigate]

ah??????

My Jesus

Muffin can be my grandpa I think

[strange umbra]

lol

[south moat]

I mean... technically I'm of the age too that I could have 2

But I guess I should start with having kids first

[strange umbra]

lol

[woven sentinel]

tell u what though muffin, bear is broken lol. did a 32k shade with Kartal, yeah bear is so op

[south moat]

Don't let the devs know the bear is broken

[strange umbra]

lol

[night marten]

they have been told many a times over this season.

you arent keeping it a secret

[south moat]

I wasn't even being serious
it was also nerfed before the patch too

[woven sentinel]

they already know lol

[lusty grotto]

Hello mr offline here 😌🛌

[scenic fog]

I wish nothing dropped in monoliths, but the game kept track of what would drop and then make more than 1 of those orbs, each one drops specific stuff, a yellow one drops rares/magic/normal items, a purple drops exalts, a gold one drops uniques and so on and you could decide to just leave stuff you don't want in the orb.

and the chest could just drop the echo reward

imagine being able to just blast through monos without having to backtrack to grab gold and shards.

[zinc blaze]

That sounds like a fun weaver tree node

• all echo loot drops at the end of the echo
• dying means no loot

[scenic fog]

That seems fair

A price I'd pay to be able to just blast.

I really wanna get into game dev... so bad...

Are you guys aware merchant guild gambling sometimes dupes a gambling result when you use the shortcut to gamble? An item goes on the mouse cursor and another one goes into your inventory as if you used the shortcut to buy it.

It just happened to me, please don't ban me, lol

[south moat]

Could it just be a visual dupe? is the duplicate still there if you change areas?

[scenic fog]

well, i tested ascending both of them, and they both made unique rings

different ones

[zinc blaze]

[main frigate]

[scenic fog]

Omg they're duping Gregory..

[night marten]

If you log out and back in, do both still exist

[scenic fog]

One moment.

I have confirmed, if you are quick enough to use a rune of ascension, the ring persists.

I dunno if this is an issue with every item type since I only did it for rings.

[willow sentinel]

Do they persist if you log out/log back in?

[scenic fog]

Yes.

[willow sentinel]

Oo

[zinc blaze]

Summon the Elder Muffin!

[scenic fog]

if you dont ascend them they disappear

but if you do a quick ascend, both rings become new items and persist.

[night marten]

And you def arent being charged for both right?

[scenic fog]

im not certain, i dont think so

[night marten]

If you could hit f8 and report it, and include w.e steps thatd be amazing

[zinc blaze]

hey this time we found the dup bug before the new cycle started

hip hip hooray!

[scenic fog]

Report submitted, hope it helps.

[visual frigate]

do we know when we're getting details on the paradox class?

[south moat]

No
It's pretty much like... probably like 8 months away still
maybe more

[night marten]

They are at least 2 seasons away. Likely at or around the expansion. Wouldnt expect any information in the near future

[visual frigate]

announcement seems a bit premature, i'll check back in late next year then- cheers

[night marten]

Eh. The xpac and paradox class are a ways away. But we have been told s4 info is coming this week. At least an detailed roadmap

[zinc blaze]

[scenic fog]

Wow that was a fast fix.

Poof.

[night marten]

Ah, did they go away?

[scenic fog]

New attempts don't work

[night marten]

Well they def didnt patch anything. Lol. Weird

[scenic fog]

You try to ascend now, and it disappears in the forge, didn't do that before.

before, there was a sort of lag when you hit the button and a split second later the ring would appear, it wasnt instant like a normal ascend. However, it no longer does that now.

Im out of runes now so i cant do anymore testing

other runes dont work

[woven sentinel]

Lmao 🤣

[scenic fog]

hey I am burnin my runes so you dont have to

[south moat]

I'll burn my runes just because you said that

[scenic fog]

noooo

I wonder where I would post a picture of the rings I got, several of which I should not have.

They are nothing special mind you.

But the fact several of them are made out of air is concerning.

[woven sentinel]

Haha nub what runes

[south moat]

I've no idea

[scenic fog]

Ascendancy

[autumn briar]

you dont want to ascend mg gambled rings anyway. they are mg tagged and you can't sell them

[scenic fog]

oh it was for self use, though I did not know that, thank you.

[unique drum]

Man I been sleeping on the all in on loot lizard strat. Either that or got really lucky lately

[unique drum]

Is there any way to trigger glyph of envy? I was hoping havoc might do it but nope

[night marten]

Should just be normal crafting upgrades.

Havoc just moves stuff around so its not upgrading anything

[unique drum]

Yea i couldnt trigger it rerolling values either not that I expected it to. This triple exalt is on such a bad base 😭

[golden blaze]

When is the next really big expansion? 1 year ?

[night marten]

rerolling values isnt isnt upgrading an affix unfortunantly, so i wouldnt expect that to work either.

[night marten]

somewhere around there is best guess. there isnt any specific timeline anywhere on it. all we know is that it comes after s4 and s5 which s4 is 'early 2026' so s5 q2/q3 of 2026ish so xpac maybe late 2026 early 2027? again just guessing based on past release timings

[unique drum]

I should really be using the mountain chest but I won't find a 3-4 lp one I doubt. Is there any super common one I can try to farm?

Idk how good this is on servers with trade but +t7 recurve/t6 heartseeker/t6 health/t5 cold res is by far the best item ive ever made on ssf

[golden blaze]

Ok, thank you

[night marten]

yeah core of the mountain is like 1 in 15k for 3lp so thats definately not realistic. if you wanna look up body armor lp chances just head over to lastepochtools

there are defiantely some that are reasonable to get 3lp on at least

[frank bramble]

Especially when considering the fact that it drops only from that stupid tree boss with base 12% chance before CoF multiplier (or from weaver tree specced for random dungeon mobs encounters on maps)

[short vessel]

You stick it in the imprint slots and get to farming

[short vessel]

Tbh 12% chance on the rarest drop before any modifiers isn't particularly low

Especially considering with charms how fast you can farm that boss

[frank bramble]

Yeah but still those 2 kindlings, uhhhh

LA is the worst dungeon for solo farming unfortunately due to that

I'd personally prefer farming vessel of strife honestly due to straightforwardness of the process

[short vessel]

Fair

[frank bramble]

Still got 1,3-1,5k of each key on my falconer and using TS keys only when slamming

[unique drum]

Yea i hate that dungeon tbh

Do i risk going to 0lp to try and reroll the t7 recurve to health or +skills tho

[frank bramble]

What are you cooking @unique drum ?

Too lazy to scroll sorry xD

[balmy arrow]

[unique drum]

Uh right now it's t7 recurve chance/t6 heartseeker/t6 %hp/t5 cold

Id rather have like inc bow dmg on it but ill never find that lol

[frank bramble]

I mean first of all I would imprint that armor

And any copy that drops I would havoc with glyph of hope till exalted 76 suffixes and 6 prefix (or 66 suffixes and 7 prefix) with the nonexalted affix being a prefix

And if a sufficient amount of FP remained I would reimprint so you could have a chance of manipulating the prefix

Since then prefix would have an affix range of 1-5, if it rolled 1 or 2 you could seal it and craft your own prefix of choice, then redemption the rest till the affixes you need and havoc for 766 affixes of choice

It's gonna be a long process and also I would try hunting for a 77 armor instead of 766, crafting would become much easier for you

766 is just worse 777 since you can't manipulate 6s so easily just like 7s

[unique drum]

If I take 77 armor is the first step just hoping they dont get removed? I have some with terrible mods in stash for a while now. Wasn't sure what to do with them

[frank bramble]

In my opinion a perfect imprint in your case would be this: 77 suffixes armor with at least 1 open prefix

And high FP of course

If you don't have an open prefix 77 suffixes armor I would just imprint a random one with 77 affixes and try sealing a t1 on an imprint copy and reimprint if high FP remained

Then yeah you would be more likely to see that sealed affix on armors as a regular one but then you can seal it away easily and craft both prefixes and do wonders with suffixes

766 is really a bad choice, 77 gives much more crafting flexibility and if you really want to lock in on the armor slot then later on try getting a 777 armor and do the steps mentioned earlier

Like literally in 1-2 days (in MG) I would probably be able to cook an armor you would use, you're in CoF from what I saw so it should be even easier

[balmy arrow]

[scenic fog]

How is everyone's evening?

[frank bramble]

Not bad, chilling with my wife and wine hehe

How about you?

[scenic fog]

I'm okay, just vibin

[balmy arrow]

18 hours into the epoch. It seems time to go to bed

[frank bramble]

18? That's rookie numbers my man, need more

[frank bramble]

Vibes are the most important right hehe

[balmy arrow]

During this time I still haven't crafted my helmet😭

[frank bramble]

What helmet are you looking for

Some 7775 shit?

18 hours sound like that haha

[balmy arrow]

tundra

[frank bramble]

Oh, 3-4 lp?

Oh wait dominance or the heorot one

[balmy arrow]

I can't craft 2t7 at all

[frank bramble]

But wait do you have a problem with landing the slam or crafting a base?

[balmy arrow]

there's one last step left

base

I need strength on the acolyte helmet

and as luck would have it, the base crashes extremely rarely

[frank bramble]

Then you need a random non-vit attribute + your stat of choice and use oerden's watch

[balmy arrow]

It seems like it's just not my day

[frank bramble]

Damn it's really unlucky, are you CoF or MG?

[balmy arrow]

cof forever xD

[frank bramble]

Hahaha I've been saying that for 3 seasons, then tried MG and never gonna go back I think

[balmy arrow]

Next season I'm also slowly thinking about changing factions

[frank bramble]

Although now with the vast knowledge about imprints CoF would not be bad, it's all about boss specific drops being much more accessible on MG

[frank bramble]

Yeah man I really was like naaah never going MG then decided to try it out and damn I'm loving it

[balmy arrow]

I'm afraid I won't become a billionaire HAHAHAHAAH

[frank bramble]

Oh don't worry I spent like 800m+ easily on gear + failed slams and still my peak gold amount in inventory was 92M

It's all about investing it further to farm faster

Also being my first time in MG, it's all about learning, watching the popular build guides, stuff like that

Every aspect that could yield you gold

[balmy arrow]

In fact, I've already deleted all characters and inventory 3 times xD

[frank bramble]

The only problem in MG is drop rates for bosses, did 176 ubers and got only 1 pair of 2lp immortal vise and one 2lp nihilis, not a single 2LP SW dropped

[frank bramble]

Oh I mean if you're in CoF then it doesn't matter, gear in CoF won't yield you gold xD

Unless you're vendoring it XD

[balmy arrow]

immortal vise.....don't remind me

[frank bramble]

Exactly hehe

[balmy arrow]

How many tears I shed over their craft

[frank bramble]

Fkin 1/236, never forget

[balmy arrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/deradikon/character/abo

the last touch remains

[frank bramble]

Oh the experimental ones, yeah

I made gloves like that real fast for a friend in MG

But on li'rakas so a little cheaper option

[balmy arrow]

I remember more the crafting of my red ring with 2LP. I completed the game xDDD

[frank bramble]

Oh don't tell me about that I beg you

I spent 150M on 2 red ring 2lp slam tries

Failed both

[balmy arrow]

oh

[frank bramble]

Never felt so much betrayal

[balmy arrow]

We only dreamed of this in the beta xDDDD

[frank bramble]

Yeah damn Chadilao baited me into buying them while they were relatively cheap (58M and afterwards 92M) and yep

Tru dat xD

But still 33% on landing chance is harsh

[balmy arrow]

yep

[frank bramble]

Also damn, a 77 evolution's end

Sweet one

[balmy arrow]

To be honest, they went overboard with the 100% crafting of one affix xD

[frank bramble]

Nah I don't agree, rare items like RR deserved that

[balmy arrow]

I wanted to suffer even longer

[frank bramble]

It wouldn't be a human move to let it stay at 25%

Yeah it was pure suffering ngl

[balmy arrow]

[frank bramble]

Also how did you load your profile like that

You had to log on LEtools right?

[balmy arrow]

I can't wait for the patch notes😭

[balmy arrow]

no

[frank bramble]

Oh nevermind I found it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/PodajPiwo/character/KurtHectic

Trigger warning: painful slams ahead

[balmy arrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/deradikon/character/DERA my fake

[frank bramble]

Lol throwing attack speed on li'rakas? That's a bait my man

[balmy arrow]

I'm licking my lips abandon

[balmy arrow]

Don't get me wrong. This thing is from a different character.

[frank bramble]

Aaa okay

It makes sense then

[frank bramble]

Man the elecoe's slam brought me so much emotions back

Didn't expect to hit it

[balmy arrow]

I dressed this character in literally one day. I just wanted to test the build.

[frank bramble]

Oh it's justified totally then

And how did you like it?

[balmy arrow]

Yes, it's quite suitable for cleaning 500

just remembering this build before the fix HAHAAHAHAHAH

[frank bramble]

What fix tho?

It's already been nerfed

[balmy arrow]

oh sorry nerfed

[frank bramble]

And it well requires some good gear and skills to kill high corruption stuff

I would understand a slight nerf but nothing overboard tbh, you need to remember it's been nerfed a lot already, now you need much more to keep up the damage

[balmy arrow]

I conquer corruption on necro xD

[frank bramble]

Also you can't rely on falcon's damage anymore, it's a fraction of damage now

[frank bramble]

Oh yeah abom slaps much harder

[balmy arrow]

Then I watch a stream of a guy with a ballista at 32k corruption

xDDDDD

[frank bramble]

What hits does the dummy register from abom? Like 100m+ right

[balmy arrow]

Honestly, I never paid attention to the numbers

[frank bramble]

Oh I mean ballista is totally different to umbral blades, umbral blades actually need some gear to be relevant, ballista just needs a shitload of dex and few armor shred idols and it's gucci

Ballista is bugged for sure, my falconer doesn't exploit this shred + mourningfrost shit

[frank bramble]

Ah okay, just been wondering

Cuz I've seen some real fast uber kills with abom, much faster than my full metal jacket umbrals

[balmy arrow]

I remember that in the beta, the ballista was the most useless skill🤣

[frank bramble]

Yeah, then I think 1.0 came or 1.1 when zhp ballista started to shine

[balmy arrow]

I can't even imagine how fast

[frank bramble]

Jelkhor detonating arrow as well, damn my friend and I slapped 8k orobyss like nothing with it

[frank bramble]

Abom can reach like below 40 seconds from what I saw

My personal best on uber is like 52s with glass cannon idols

Really stuck to him then, other than that it's over 1 minute usually

And abom just bonks the shit out of uber

[balmy arrow]

Yes, I watched your video of the kill uber

[frank bramble]

Yeah I beat that time later with better gear but didn't bother to record, no point like it's obvious if you have 777 items you will slap

[balmy arrow]

yep

your crafts are impressive xD