💬┃general

[south moat]

Yeah, that's what they do

[worldly valve]

pls money

[carmine smelt]

Same tbh

[keen spruce]

[willow sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-much-gold-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-marshall-gold-gif-27061131

[worldly valve]

https://tenor.com/view/run-forest-gump-running-late-work-gif-6209118861861004828

[calm jay]

heal zeny items please.

[honest belfry]

Come join us in the Cozy Stream! Wick and Vandryll have teamed up to wreak havoc on... whatever is in the area.
https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1091515511797461102

[vague pivot]

is that "kicked for inactivity" issue on the radar of devs anyone know? i've been kicked today few times during stash management and even in gauntlet of strife echo - i've lost item because of it

[nimble epoch]

That's the first I've heard of this

[main frigate]

🤔 What happened on Derrick's discord profile

[turbid silo]

Tada

I was on my personal account, just had to swap over

[main frigate]

😅 First time to see someone in EHG have 2 accounts here

[pastel summit]

How long were you searching for things

I got kicked last night because my buddy has a theorycrafting problem. As in, he theorycrafts in the middle of our sessions, not before.

I wish flash games were a thing again, I could play those while he figures out his build.

Feature suggestion: No access to character menus at all while in echos.

[pine peak]

I could be dumb, but the mist swirlys that spawn from the lizard dinos hurt waaay to much

[mortal tinsel]

necrotic res?

[torn holly]

yeah the new mobs scale pretty hard

[pine peak]

Yeah, I was cruising and had defensives. And got deleted randomly by that. Seems off balance.

[dusty peak]

I'm I correct that Falcon's acid flask drops scale of my damage rather than minion damage?

[calm jay]

Says your stats and tree, so yes?

[honest belfry]

Hey Travelers! A new #eterra-monthly just dropped

[median perch]

Sleep time

[torpid jacinth]

has anybody EVER had luck at the turtle

DX

[willow sentinel]

Too bad it doesn't include a road map 🗺️

[torpid jacinth]

if i wanted to be able to semi-consistently freeze bosses at endgame, what freeze rate multiplier should i aim for?

Im talking like, level 100 post first abberoth kill

[simple bison]

What skill

[torpid jacinth]

lightning blast and ice barrage are my primary skills and the ones i use for freezing

with lightning blast being primary damage

[simple bison]

You won't be able to basically no matter what

[torpid jacinth]

I already get pretty periodic freezes on bosses right now

[simple bison]

They'll simply have too much hp

[torpid jacinth]

hrmm

[simple bison]

yeah but what corruption are you at?

[torpid jacinth]

generally playing at around 300 corruption right now

though i can do up to 500 without too much trouble

[simple bison]

There is a guaranteed freeze in ice barrage with the freeze nova trigger

but yeah both those skills don't really have any way of scaling their freeze rate very well

you'd need tons of investment for pretty poor results

[torpid jacinth]

so it would be better to forgo freeze rate affixes in favor of other stuff you think?

[simple bison]

yep

[torpid jacinth]

bit disappointing but i get it

[calm jay]

That's cuz without mods in their own tree providing scaling, the affixes just give percentile increases to a low freeze rate?

[simple bison]

Yeah freeze in general is pretty tough to scale into the endgame. But it would also be really op if you could just freeze everything

[simple bison]

Pretty much yeah

[torpid jacinth]

I mean ice barrage has a couple mods in it to increase freeze rate, Lightning blast does too, but with how point heavy the skill is its hard to invest in those ones without losing a lot of damage

ice barrage has intensifying cold and frigid barrage

the guaranteed freeze with shattering bulwark too but that requires you to be pretty close to the target

[simple bison]

Increased freeze rate nodes are very weak since they're additive with your existing freeze rate multiplier stat

what you'd want is something like frozen resonance in detonating arrow

[torpid jacinth]

Would you say im wasting skill points using those nodes then?

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

[simple bison]

which gives flat freeze rate based on your cold res, that's super duper strong

[torpid jacinth]

I see

nothing really like that for sorcerer huh?

[simple bison]

Yeah pretty much honestly, as you go into higher end content you'll just freeze less and less

[simple bison]

Outside of a few guaranteed freezes like snap freeze and freeze nova nope

no super scalable way to freeze on hit

[torpid jacinth]

Hrmmm in this case then i have some class points and skill points i should probably reallocate, i guess just due to the nature of how freeze works it doesnt scale great outside of guaranteed freeze skills

thats a real shame honestly

[simple bison]

Yep, unlike something like stun which scales with your damage freeze doesn't. So you basically have to keep scaling your freeze rate alongside your damage and defense to keep up, and even then it's a super big struggle on skills without what's basically a more multiplier to their freeze rate (like frozen resonance) and you just end up doing less damage and being squishier for no good reason

[torpid jacinth]

You think theyll ever rework freeze to make it a more viable playstyle? I love the idea of having a permafreeze build, and ive seen some older videos of that, though it seems that those generally rely on abuse of skills that have a gauranteed freeze

[simple bison]

This is the freeze chance formula btw. Enemies will keep gaining hp but you won't be able to keep getting tons more freeze multi, eventually you'll gain like 50% freeze rate multi with tons of optimizations meanwhile enemies just gained another like 200% increased hp

[simple bison]

Not sure, but I doubt they'll ever intentionally let you permafreeze everything

[torpid jacinth]

Yeah i think a part of me knew it wasnt gonna end up being viable late game but i wasnt ready to accept it xD

[simple bison]

since it'd just be super op

[torpid jacinth]

Thats a good point to be fair

I wonder why they dont calculate freeze in the same way they do stun

[simple bison]

since then it'd just be stun

cold skills can still stun

[torpid jacinth]

ah

okay also a good point

freeze would almost need an entire rework to make it viable end game without being busted i guess

[carmine smelt]

Don't want a repeat of the perma freeze shade days

[main frigate]

Does Discord forum support closing all posts but keeping these posts available to view?

(This question not relevant to eterra monthly)

[honest belfry]

I don't know what that is.

[simple bison]

Think they mean if it's possible to keep the old feedback/suggestion forums visible but locked. So people can view their old posts on there still.

[honest belfry]

oh. No, it's been removed so we can catalogue what was there once and for all, then continue to follow the single thread model

[main frigate]

Why you're so good at understanding my meaning

You and Volin are two different extremes... 😅

Quite cool, damn

Sorry to hear Wick give up this work too 😞

RIP, old forum.

[simple bison]

English isn't my first language either ^^

[main frigate]

It's not a language issue, it's a logic issue

[simple bison]

Well I think for native speakers they're used to reading and hearing their language with a specific grammar (often the correct one) as well as phrasing and wording. But for someone who's not a native speaker that's not as much the case, and so it's easier to intuit the meaning behind the words instead of taking them at face value.

[carmine smelt]

Funny enough some of the people with the best understanding of English are actually second language speakers, at least where I live. I guess the expectations are just a lot higher and they go through a lot more testing lol. Source; My wife is ESL, you wouldn't know it though

[main frigate]

Maybe, not sure that, so I don't know what are you saying

[simple bison]

Yeah I mean we learn English here (Sweden) from a young age and are tested on it more strictly than we are Swedish since you're kinda just expected to know Swedish from living here all your life if that makes sense. I think it makes sense honestly. You learn your native language from those around you, so you only learn one "version" of it for the most part. But if you're learning other languages through school you learn and are tested on more objective metrics of the language.

[carmine smelt]

When a European tells you their English isn't great: They actually speak better English than you

[simple bison]

I have too heavy an accent to be able to make the same claim you've made of your wife of myself haha.

[main frigate]

The whole process of my logic:

Wick post a cover which includes Derrick's profile.
I clicked the link to view and saw a fresh way of "an interview with him".
I reminded of he closed the forum before.
I start to think why he selected this way.
It's relevant to discord forum so I searched details but find nothing.
I asked Wick do he knows that so I can get more hints.

Done

[simple bison]

Well sure but you have to consider that WIck isn't Derrick :P. So even if the post mentions Derrick, That doesn't mean Wick has the context of the closed forum posts. And honestly even if it was Derrick there's a good chance they wouldn't really think about it since it's been a couple days since it happened at this point. Context is always welcome in inquiries, as long as it doesn't make your question super long there's no reason not to add detail/context usually ^^

Same goes for answers a lot of the time I find. You can avoid a lot of follow up questions with a few extra words usually. But even I will give simple yes/no answers to questions I know require deeper answers because humans are lazy :P.

[carmine smelt]

Honestly this is a fair point, accent doesn't really equate to proficiency though I guess. I think it comes down to how your hearing develops early on in childhood, and exposure to sounds of different languages helps you develop the ability to distinguish the small details of those languages and then properly imitate those sounds yourself. Just like how I can't hear the difference between "a" and "ã" sound in Portuguese so without speech therapy or something I would never be able to say it properly

[main frigate]

Another background:

Wick mentioned he created the forum mode for feedback/suggestions with Ave.

So I guess Wick know something

[simple bison]

Yeah I think it has a lot to do with the fact that despite us starting to learn English early in life (like 6 years old or so iirc). You never really use it conversationally outside of school at that point right. Like you go to school. Go to English class where you maybe (likely not every time even) speak a couple sentences. And then you go back to speaking and hearing only Swedish for the rest of the day. It's only once I got older and started playing games online with people and we called on skype or something (good days) that I would actually start speaking English extensively. So while I think my written English is fairly decent I know that my spoken English isn't the best pronunciation wise.

[carmine smelt]

Yea that's probably why my wife has no accent, she was put in a full international English school as a kid

[simple bison]

Yeah that makes total sense

[main frigate]

Oh tested that, the only way to close forum is edit permission for who can view that indeed

[simple bison]

The only reason I knew what you were talking about is because I've seen you talk about it the past couple days quite a bit. Hence when you and the word "forum" were in the same context I was able to connect the dots right away. If I didn't have that context I'd likely be just as lost

[simple bison]

Well they're gonna go through all the feedback / suggestions that they hadn't already. So reposting from it isn't needed after all. So there's not really any need to see it outside of stuff like saying "look! I was talking about this 3 years ago!!" or something similar.

[main frigate]

Not only for reposting but also let me remember what have I said as you said. It's like a notebook.

[dusty peak]

When a weapon says either "+x melee damage" or "+x bow damage", does it affect thrown attacks (eg acid flask)? I assume not but just want to check.

[simple bison]

no

[dusty peak]

Thanks

[upper current]

ALL 1 LP uniques got to 0 LP from turtle echo RIP

[night marten]

it do be like that sometimes

[broken siren]

sometimes in Conflunce of Oblivion the shades stand there and do nothing. I bug reported this like 2 weeks ago

[chilly ember]

they’re just dudes trying to chill. i don’t see the problem here.

[broken siren]

well even if they actually attack me its still easy lol so whatever

[chilly ember]

fighting travellers non-stop must be tiring work. they need some time off too, y’know?

[broken siren]

I don't think my rogue has eaten since she started her journey

and my rogue is probably on extreme doses of caffeine because she doesn't sleep

[strong echo]

my great grandma was from sweeden, i never learned any of it though, far to young

[strong echo]

my sorcerer def has not taken a poop, must magic it away

my brother was living with his ex for about 3 months, he called me up one day, and asked i i ever seen her go to take a poop.....he realized hes been living with her for 3 months and she does not poop, he figures she was going down the block to the corner store. iot was bizzare lol

how many rift beasts are in that echo? i killed 5 then got one shotted

[torpid jacinth]

is it possible for the nemesis egg to give you more than one LP on a unique piece of gear or is 1LP the max?

if youre using Ice Barrage with the frost armor node picked for the global damage increase, is also taking frost ballista a good idea for the cooldown reduction? That should give you more uptime with the ice shield and thusly the damage buff from frost armor right?

[thorn bane]

More it can give 4LP, although rare of course2

[torpid jacinth]

oh cool just wanted to make sure i wasnt wasting my time trying to get more than 1lp

[torpid jacinth]

so Legends Entwined is supposed to give you +x stats per complete set correct? ive just noticed that is not at all what happens for me, i only get it for completing a single set, and at that its ONLY with my offhand catalyst. Equipping my catalyst gives me +4 to all my stats, but when I equip my boots, the same does not happen, the only other set item that gives me the promised +4 stats is my necklace, my boots glove and ring all do not give me any of the bonuses i should be getting, this also includes the resistances and the bonuses to my skills

Unless im missing something here

[strong echo]

nemisis has given me so many cool things, hes like the rich dude that lives in the next town, and wants you to come over for lunch when i was in elementry

lol, no we were all poor my bf shoes broke in the winter

i liked him, i should call him

[torpid jacinth]

Is anyone else noticing issues with this?

ohhh wait

nevermind i am misunderstanding how this works, its not per completed set bonus, its per fully completed set

okay that makes a lot more sense

[torpid jacinth]

Are the odds of piles of items via the nodes in the weaver tree where you can slot items into affected by your corruption level? like if i am at 300 corruption vs 100 corruption, do cache's have a higher chance to drop a pile of items?

[broken trench]

yes

[torpid jacinth]

Does anyone know if having both wintry blast and ice burst works? When i add ice burst onto wintry blast i dont see any physical change to how the spell works, but i cant tell if thats because the five shards from ice burst and the shards from wintry blast are just clipping together

hand testing on a target dummy leads me to believe that it doesnt give me any extra damage but i cant be sure...

yeah doing lot of just watching ice barrage hit the target dummy over and over again, having ice burst doesnt seem to actually do anything 🤔 is that intentional? Theres nothing saying they dont work together

Interestingly, despite having both the burst from ice burst and wintry blast not resulting in more damage on the initial burst, the node AFTER ice burst does seem to actually work.... i really have to wonder if thats intentional or not

[proven osprey]

once you start doing empowered runs, is there any difficulty difference between the monoliths? they're all lvl 100 so should be roughly the same right?

[torpid jacinth]

To the best of my knowledge yes, the loot you get from bosses and stuff will change though

[proven osprey]

so the empowered monoliths at the bottom, ie. black sun etc... are easier than the empowered monoliths at the top?

[torpid jacinth]

no

theyre all roughly the same

the difficulty will come from your corruption

[proven osprey]

gotcha, thanks for confirming

[torpid jacinth]

i think later BOSSES are maybe harder simply due to more complex fight mechanics

like the final boss of the first monolith is a piece of cake compared to some of the later ones

[proven osprey]

yeah that guy definitely doesn't put up much of a fight

[torpid jacinth]

someone please correct me if im wrong lol

[severe socket]

Abomination does feel like the easiest of the bunch.

Lagon, Gaspar, and Heorot seem to tie at the top of the difficulty curve to me.

[balmy bane]

These bosses are absolutely brutal for weaker defensive builds. At high corruption, aside from big damage builds that can gain tens of thousands of ward, nearly all other defensive layers feel almost useless.

[severe socket]

Ward is way too busted for its own good.

And the worst part is, there're absolutely no alternatives to that.

Each base stat tied to a certain mastery could bring its own mutually-exclusive means of damage mitigation, but it doesn't seem like anyone is open to brainstorming in that area.

[main frigate]

@pearl orbit I checked out your suggestions, they're professional. Are you a game designer who work in game industry or working on your indie game?

[latent tinsel]

What are the best pet builds right now? Pets are all I play

[pearl orbit]

Trying to be

thanks

[willow sentinel]

Bear, Sabertooth, Crows, Abom

Skelly Mages, maybe ?

[main frigate]

Oh nice. We're the same (trying to be a xxx in a game) but in different directions

"You're professional" is the top appreciation for amateurs :)

[glass pendant]

🐸

Erm they're actually minions 🤓

[severe socket]

Companions would be pretty close to pets in a sense.

"Not every minion is a companion, but every companion is a minion. And possibly a pet. Whom we sadly cannot pet. Just yet."

[main frigate]

What are your opinions on "game companies want experienced people only but you're too young on the area to apply these jobs/people who have more experience than you are commonly, many in-industry people shares free stuff for new people to learn but these things can't transform to your stuff in a short time"?

I remembered you as "the 1st mysterious player who Judd ask to dm" so I've wondered your roles for a long time

[severe socket]

-# Wish I had some decent skills as well. In any area.

[turbid silo]

Good morning everyone!

(or afternoon, or evening)

[primal abyss]

I like to just say Good Day! To you and everyone

Don't forget to eat breakfast

[severe socket]

Hiya. o/

And stay hydrated too.

[main frigate]

[main frigate]

... What about brunch?

[primal abyss]

What's for brunch today, then?

[willow sentinel]

On Saturday I'll try doing homemade sourdough crumpet

For brunch

Also, good day

[primal abyss]

That sounds amazing and well deserved.

[main frigate]

Crumpet. I need to ask google what is it

🤔 Asked, I can sure I never see this thing

[willow sentinel]

Its very english

[main frigate]

yes, English muffin is the other term appeared with crumpet

I'm sure both of them will not popular in China because Chinese dislike or no habit on eat something sweet with fruit/jams/better

👀 Panini is more attractive for me

[regal finch]

think i'll do character-found next season cycle 🤔 i like going through campaign too much and having all this shared progress gives me too many options too soon. wasn't comfortable with the idea initially when i had no idea how are the drop rates or crafting.

[thorn bane]

i usually start a character found midway through the season for a fresh start but man leveling factions again can be annoying

[main frigate]

Oh nevermind. I'm playing scf all the time. It's the default

ssf=scf

[simple bison]

What? lol

ssf != scf != saf

[main frigate]

ssf in poe is saf in le, which is scf's meaning (I forget this point so I don't realize I playing scf all the time)

[simple bison]

ssf in poe is scf in le

saf is different from both

[main frigate]

I don't know what saf mean in poe, but it mean ssf in le

[simple bison]

saf doesn't exist in poe

poe only has ssf

[regal finch]

SAF in PoE is the default mode unless you're a nerd willing to fiddle with trading tools or get scammed in global chat 🤓

[main frigate]

Maybe I should try saf in poe/poe 2 one day (limit by trades is annoying)

[glass pendant]

Damnnnn I thought you didn't like meta setups

[torn holly]

if we're talking about european baking - anyone know if scottish breakfast rolls are always dusted with rice flour?

[main frigate]

Asked google what Scottish breakfast rolls looks. Another yummy bread 👀

Bread which include rice flour always with sweet fillings and mochi here so they're sweet

(Oh sweet filing. Of course it's sweet...)

Scottish Cream Buns... Oh I seen similar things. But I'm not a sweet mouth for bread

More morning rolls I looked, more familiar this thing looks... 🤔

[primal juniper]

hey guys, when does season 3 end ?

[simple bison]

Current estimate is in december

[primal juniper]

ok thanks

[simple bison]

that's just from them aiming towards seasons being 3-4 months long, no official statements yet.

[quiet drift]

Is there any news about character creator/customization or we're still locked to Tywin Lannister for mage?

[simple bison]

No news.

[pastel summit]

What if the orobyss expansion adds orobyss as a playable character

On a related note, I like how the shade always picks the one damage type my buddy's build currently lacks resist for

[cosmic grotto]

Can anyone help me with a lootfilter for shatter strike spellblade lvl 88?

im doing lvl 100 monoliths

[tulip niche]

Does Minion damage affect Ballista damage?

It should do right?

[simple bison]

Are you playing bloody nib or what?

[cosmic grotto]

Sry i dont understand 😄

Im noob hahahaha

[simple bison]

If you press H in game, and look in the top left of the window that opens what's your in game name?

so I can look up your character

[cosmic grotto]

Im not on computer atm

[simple bison]

Do you know what your account name is?

not character name

[cosmic grotto]

Hmm i cant remember now

Might be just Hiski

[simple bison]

doesn't seem like it

no level 88 spellblade

[cosmic grotto]

Ok ill try to remember

[simple bison]

Yep just ping me when you get back on or remember

[cosmic grotto]

Im gonna check fast takes like 2 minute

Its HISKIPISKI

Should be 😄

[simple bison]

yep

Are you following a guide or no?

I'm assuming yes

[cosmic grotto]

Im following guide and got lootfilter but not sire if its good

[simple bison]

Can you link it

[cosmic grotto]

Sec

Shatter Strike Spellblade Build Guide - Last Epoch Maxroll.gg https://share.google/II1GEeop632EiqBP4

[simple bison]

If you set the loot filter to strict it should be fine tbh

Maxroll filters are usually okay

[cosmic grotto]

Aa okay thanks!!

Sure thing!

[simple bison]

np ^^

[cosmic grotto]

Btw how do i do that 😄

Put it to strict

Or do i need to download it again with strict?

[simple bison]

Yeah you need to put the slider on strict and get it again from the guide page

[cosmic grotto]

Aaaaa

Yeah!! Thanks!!!

[simple bison]

np ^^. Good luck!

[cosmic grotto]

Same to you!!!

[dusty peak]

Newb question, but what does it mean on "Coordinated Fate" when it says "a certain ability" and "Ability (Left to Right)"?

[short vessel]

It's which ability is in that slot on your bar, left to right

So if you have 5 points in it, then it'll activate on your right click skill

[dusty peak]

Ah okay, that's weird but okay. But its based on yuor skill bar at the bottom of the screen rather than the order you selected skill specialisations, so I can just move an ability to a different slot that I use a lot to which ever button is the activating one depending on how many points I've invested. ... weird.

Is there a precdence ordering for the loot filter. For example, if I have one rule that hides magic items, and another rule that show all items of a particular type or with a particular affix in a particular colour, will the ordering of the rules determine which applies if its magic item of that type or with that affix? Top-down first? Bottom-up first?

[night marten]

rules work top down, so generally you want your hides at the bottom

[dusty peak]

Thanks

[dusty peak]

What's the trading like in LE. I've just got to Maj'elka (level 55) and I'm wondering whether to join COF or MG.

[simple bison]

If you're in season go CoF

Honestly even if you're in legacy go CoF

The economy will be way slower right now since it's been over a month since the season came out

[strong echo]

yes theere are many vids explaining the loot filter, and very many pre made loot filters, i suggest heavey'z general loot filters, fo a base https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/1-3-heavyz-casual-loot-filters-for-all-classes-v6-updated-with-sounds-and-beams/25176

i mean, if your in legacy, no reason not to hit cof for hunting loot and shatter shards, the switch back?

[ornate urchin]

when did s3 start?

[mellow gate]

Aug 21

[dusty peak]

I'm in the season. Only started playing a few days ago but I presume there is still about 6 weeks or so of the season (I'm guessing a season is about 3 months but I didn't check; just jumped in)

[short vessel]

Afaik season is 4 months so you got like.. 10 weeks?

[dusty peak]

Plenty of time 🙂

[autumn briar]

probably more. im guessing january

[short vessel]

Afaik they said they were confident they would keep to a 4 month season schedule going forward but yeah we'll have to see

[autumn briar]

It landing in December during holiday season and poe2 most likely pushing for early December leaves them no room. That's my guess

[storm horizon]

question ive played diablo and poe2 is this game more fun than both

[main frigate]

It's up to you because no perfect game here

It's like I prefer beautiful visual effects, balanced gameplay, epic storytelling, impressive soundtracks, friendly difficulty, interesting systems and good performance but what Poe 2 good at is beautiful visual effects and impressive soundtracks but it's bad at balanced gameplay, interesting systems and good performance, what le good at is friendly difficulty and good performance but it's bad at epic storytelling, interesting systems and balanced gameplay

emmmm alright. balance and systems are the most hard thing to do in a game indeed.

[short vessel]

It has more complexity than diablo and less than PoE. It's very player friendly with high QoL but probably rates the lowest in terms of polish with the amount of bugs and sound/animation design.

Incredible "viable" build diversity as almost any build can do all static difficulty content barring the uber boss

[main frigate]

It's pretty amazing if a player have tried almost all builds in le and pushed all of them over 300c and kill aberroth

That's a pro player definitely

[thorn bane]

🤔

[upper current]

playing reflect feels like the possessed man from constantine movie where he walks through the ranch and cattle fall over and die

[outer lily]

Why do ARPGs always boil down to your best bet being to kill stuff ranged from offscreen and melee sucking hard because everything will spam 5 million aoes that all one tap you lol

[dull topaz]

Or melee that clears the entire screen + off screen ie spin2immune2dmg

[short vessel]

because ultimately "mechanics" means "areas where you die" and it's easier to kill enemies without being in those areas when there's more areas where you can attack from

also devs CONSTANTLY overvalue resource expenditure as a cost and undervalue range as a benefit

see: the added damage effectiveness of all of primalists spam melee attacks

[outer lily]

Also who decided it was a great idea to recreate Bed of Chaos as a dungeon boss 💀

[regal finch]

which one? is there really something so seemingly randomly lethal?

[willow sentinel]

Upheaval is great I swear
16 mana for 150 added Dmg Effectiveness is op

[outer lily]

Lightless Arbor boss is a recreation of / inspired by the universally beloved Bed of Chaos boss from Dark Souls 1

[regal finch]

cold upheaval looks so good 😊

[regal finch]

really? how? i'm not seeing the similarity.

the only bad part about it is how annoying it is to manage the lightbulb 💡 👉

[outer lily]

I don't see how you don't lol

[regal finch]

oh, ok, i see it now.

i thought you means how rocks fall unexpectedly during the first-ish phase

[outer lily]

I mean the fight as a whole

[regal finch]

non-unexpectedly i mean. like, they're far more visibile than the swipes and floor drops in DS1

ye, ok, i see it now

[tulip niche]

100% subjective opinion

Some people would say yes and they are right and some people would say no and they are also right

[regal finch]

i like it for the good WASD controls and class fantasy.

[tulip niche]

As much as I love PoE I do really like the class fantasy that LE offers

I hate that Necro sucks though, even after the rework grumble

[outer lily]

I love the idea of Necromancer. I just genuinely hate how painfully sloooowwwwwwwwww the Minion walking speed is, so your gameplay is:
walk 2 tiles - minion command attack - wait - walk 2 tiles - minion command attack - wait

[tulip niche]

It can be painful on some builds yeah or still gearing builds

I meant just more the lack of competitively viable Necro builds

[outer lily]

also Bone Golem is very buggy

[tulip niche]

There is Abom...

Buggy and sucks, tried so many times to make Bone Golem good. It's just not sadly.

[outer lily]

Also the fact that you have to make it larger so it fulfills its function of frontlining, but then it gets stuck in corridors KEKW

[tulip niche]

With insane gear it really, really struggles against Abberoth

[willow sentinel]

Too bad it doesnt deal any dmg

[short locust]

Yrun just took my deathless tag on char found crows 😭

Mob avalanche always deals so insane dmg

I know I was glass, but still

[outer lily]

There is a 5 lv limit for gaining improved exp being underleveled, right? Meaning whether I lv my lv 60 char in a lv 65 zone or lv 90 only increases the lethality, not the exp?

[pearl orbit]

10 levels

[outer lily]

10 ok ty

[severe socket]

Are you using aggressive stance?

[outer lily]

My issue is their walking speed, not them not attacking

Does aggressive stance improve their walking speed?

[tulip niche]

It makes them walk to where you are going a bit more proactively

[primal abyss]

[main frigate]

@primal abyss Good morning, remember to pet your cat, how's going?

[primal abyss]

Already done! 🫡 It goes well. 🙂

[main frigate]

Can I see your cat?

I guess Van post because he see I'm typing

[primal abyss]

You may have already seen it and didn't even know...

[main frigate]

I seen?

[glass pendant]

Van, sabertooth doesn't count

Well it does but

[main frigate]

?????

[primal abyss]

W-wait it doesn't?

[simple bison]

Does a golden duck count

[primal abyss]

What about the wolves?

[glass pendant]

😞

[simple bison]

It's a shiny

[glass pendant]

1/8192

[primal abyss]

Golden ducketh is cute~

[glass pendant]

the duckest might I add

[primal abyss]

Even have the node for the golden armor

Very nice

[main frigate]

I mean cat.

[simple bison]

You can see my friend being absolutely horrible at giving it bunny ears

[glass pendant]

Cosmetics irl oh no

[primal abyss]

ears go on the head usually, so yes..

[main frigate]

pet pet pet pet (very fluffy)

[glass pendant]

we have squirrel and frog helm before duck helm

sacrilege

[main frigate]

:( So, Van lied at me

[simple bison]

Duck storm crow mtx when

[glass pendant]

Mr.Quackers out there oneshotting Uber

[main frigate]

sounds very interesting. Duck storm... Fluffy level: 100%

[primal abyss]

I did no such thing

Honestly, if I could open up a UI irl to groom my cat, I totally would

[glass pendant]

I'll allow p2w on this one. Duckstorm with traversal tag moving you 10 screens away

[primal abyss]

Duckstorm...okay okay...

[glass pendant]

Nintendogs

[primal abyss]

Ah, wasn't that the DS game?

Whew..

[main frigate]

I enjoy grooming a cat

[glass pendant]

I think it was a launch title

Came free with some consoles as a package deal

Should've packaged in Pokemon platinum 💔

[main frigate]

why someone want to open up a UI to groom his cat? I'm not sure I get this joke

[glass pendant]

pet simulator games

[main frigate]

..........

I think Van can feed a cat if he want it so much.

[simple bison]

I think it was more like you wish you could pet your cat from anywhere

[glass pendant]

I prefer virtual pets because they can kill demons

Not that irl cats can't if need be

[primal abyss]

Pet your cat from anywhere, brush it easier, feed it treats, etc

Easy

[glass pendant]

Evolve it even

[simple bison]

I need a brush button for my dog

[primal abyss]

I'd be terrified to evolve cats at this point

That doggo is quite cute 10/10 no notes

[glass pendant]

primalist mtx right there

[primal abyss]

"Did that really come from me?"

[main frigate]

I hope I can see Van's cat one day

His cat must looks interesting

[main frigate]

can you recommend one?

I don't know any games can pet and groom cats

[primal abyss]

I'll only say that you might have had seen the cat already and just not notice :

They're games for everything nowadays

[main frigate]

I don't understand what are you saying

[primal abyss]

Has there been any place or time you've seen EHG pets? It might be there.

[main frigate]

What EHG pets are?

......... I just don't get which puzzle is it

[simple bison]

I'm wagering bottom left

[main frigate]

But I have no idea which cat is Van's

[simple bison]

Maybe middle right

Actually I'm wagering middle right

[primal abyss]

You world may never know

[simple bison]

Nah it's middle right

It's head canon now

[primal abyss]

Hope everyone has had a nice day so far. It's Friday!

[main frigate]

It's a bad day because Van don't want to tell us which cat is him

[simple bison]

Lmao

Wasn't the duck and dog enough

To make it good

[primal abyss]

The golden duck...honestly, made my day

[simple bison]

It's a native Swedish species

[main frigate]

🤷‍♀️ Van just move to another topic when I mention his cat per time

[short locust]

guldanka? or not same if translated verbatim?

[simple bison]

Nah the translation verbatim would be yellow duck

It's not actually called golden

[short locust]

ah

[glass pendant]

It's limited event distribution

[short locust]

I'm not much of an ornithologist 😅 but I will remember we have ducks made out of pure gold

[primal abyss]

To ME, its a golden duck

[main frigate]

yellow duck don't make my day, but duck storm made my day

then Van's puzzle break the day

[simple bison]

Mna

[glass pendant]

mobile modding? 💔

[main frigate]

well, fan art is their bed

This channel is in winter like a few months

[simple bison]

yep xd

[glass pendant]

😭pain

[main frigate]

I guess Van just dislike fluffy stuff so he don't want to share his cat. Every CM should own a cat.

Yarn is sleeping well on my bed

[inner finch]

So are we getting kittens in LE?

[main frigate]

We have, it's not a le's pet topic, it's a Van's cat topic

[simple bison]

We already have sabertooth

[inner finch]

I want a Tundra Stalker pet

maybe it will reduce the damage the mob one does

tho i already own exotic early backer stuff

its really cool

[main frigate]

I have ptsd on stalker because it mean hell difficulty to deal in poe 2

[main frigate]

🤔 I don't need pet simulator games indeed. This is why I followed Simon's cat

[severe socket]

I'd like a unique which would allow a sabertooth squad.

Imagine literal catfights.

litteral

[inner finch]

Information

[pastel summit]

I want scorpion hordes

[scenic ferry]

Tl;dr: yes

[fathom umbra]

There will be multiple seasonal releases before Last Epoch comes to PlayStation 5 with the Orobyss launch. This is also a reason why there wasn’t a ton of information shared on LE: Orobyss just yet, but rather just the announcement that PlayStation 5 is on the horizon. all y'all whining about thinking it was gonna come out soon with the campaign not done yet...

or at least reddit was that way

b/c reddit is reddit

[quartz spoke]

LE is dead 🫡

[silver knoll]

We know the burning question is “Will the expansion have any cost associated with it?” To set expectations, the answer is “maybe.” Lol

[fathom umbra]

k. bye 👋

[sudden sail]

dude I was about to sleep

[fair egret]

Acquisition............ Which always makes games better

[silver knoll]

what happened to "we have no plans to charge for expansions" just 2-3 weeks before the expansion announcement

[inner finch]

Real gamer hours

[hazy crystal]

they are not proftable after i bought the supporter pack?? thats crazy

[fathom umbra]

Different company ownse the game now man

[sudden sail]

Im always working through the night. I sleep while my wife is at work, its efficient.

[pastel summit]

I hope everyone realizes that the playstation isn't real and a playstation release is just nothingness, just like orobyss' heart.

[sudden sail]

But gosh darnit I just uploaded

[cinder rock]

if you think 25$ one time covers their cost of production you are very delusional, this would have happened regardless of krafton or not. they have confirmed it: they were not profitable

[toxic harbor]

Sorry bout that Dr3ad 😉

[turbid silo]

D'oh!

[kind lake]

appreciate the clarity from EHG, company needs to be profitable to continue developing the game, no other way to put it. and ripbozo to dr3ad

[merry lichen]

I like the game I wish content would come out faster tho

[inner finch]

Judd is effectively telling us what we knew for the longest time. LE was not turning a profit

[hasty verge]

Yeah this literally has nothing to do with the acquisition, if they weren't profitable prior to the acquisition, they still would've needed something. I appreciate you guys doing what you have to and being transparent about it. I look forward to the future of LE and love this game regardless.

[halcyon sable]

what is that "PS5 & LE: Orobyss" ? ps5 have new addon, but not pc or what is that?

[cinder rock]

this is a sincere and honest feedback.

I would like more content too

[lyric cargo]

Be happy they tried their damndest to release free content, to their detriment, as long as they did. I enjoy this game and am happy to pay more for more content

[fair egret]

They're being acquired by a South Korean company

[low moon]

Aye

[fair egret]

The kings of predatory monetization

[void idol]

i mean i'd pay 30 bucks for an expac, i really like this game

[odd abyss]

Thanks for the update ehg. Appreciate.

[turbid silo]

Of course

[hoary radish]

I would 100% pay for a expansion regardless of how much it costs.

[low moon]

It's so difficult to survive now, with PoE 2 fixing more of it's issues over time, and adding so many much needed support for both PoE 1 and PoE 2. The competition just went into overdrive for LE, so it kinda makes sense in terms of budget.

LE and PoE 1 would've coexisted, but then PoE 2 appeared and changed the game

[silver knoll]

okay so dont sell the game under that assumption

[hybrid sage]

should've went the grim dawn route, only paid expansions, no live service. now maybe with krafton support they can make a profitable live service

[odd abyss]

Same lol.

[pure dawn]

Anyone with a pair of working eyes can see the skins are not… good. No hate, it’s just what it is, I have no incentive to spend money on cosmetics that look bad. If the need money they should improve what they offer with their packs tbh.
D4 died to me when I had to spend money on locked content, LE will too if they go down the same path

[lyric cargo]

Bro just stop.

[silver knoll]

either make it free funded by cosmetics
Cost more + expansions

[hoary radish]

Exactly, I gotten like a good 200 hours from last epoch thats more then enough. I think 30-40 dollars for a expansion is fine imo

[odd abyss]

I would love more cosmetics tbh

[silver knoll]

stop pointing out the truth?

[void idol]

i mean there's more than just cosmetics funding poe

[silver knoll]

i bought the game under an assumption

[void idol]

like bank storage costs you money

[silver knoll]

20 dollars

max

per player

after 100+ hours of game play

[low moon]

i bought in beta, so idc eitherway, but LE has always had a warm side to me, kinda sad hearing theres no profits coming in

[void idol]

yeah and when you have a million players...

[cinder rock]

PoE1 and 2 operates under the "cosmetics only", but they do not survive off of MTX but rather on stash tab costs which are MANDATORY if you want to play the game in any meangiful way. so while it's ""free"" it reall isn't.

[glass pendant]

I agree with the general sentiment that the post didn't really tell us anything that we didn't know but it still probably is what a lot of players wanted to hear

[pure dawn]

Costs the same as LE price

[glass pendant]

I overall see only positives here

[hasty verge]

There was never any assumption that the game would be automatically profitable on its own with live content updates, if you assumed that, that's a you problem.

[glacial rune]

I can imagine it's not easy to stay in ARPG genre when the biggest competitor has 2 games

[hoary radish]

I do think other games are coming out as well no? Do Titan Quest 2 and Grim dawn DLC impact long term of last epoch? Or is that irrelevant?

[lyric cargo]

First time in your life realizing things change?

[low moon]

yeah poe is free as a trial, the moment u wanna take the game seriously u need to shell out 20-40 euro at least

[pastel summit]

The "continuous development" model that minecraft popularized is nice, but I've seen what happens to studios that try it without minecraft level of sales.

[odd abyss]

Yeah I agree. I love the game. No clue what it costs to run it. But if I knew I could pay more I would help

[tepid olive]

if new expansions priced 20-30 usd will be released everh 3-4 seasons - it's OK. But again - we'll have ppl paywalled from new content who bought the game in the past. This is not good. But closing studio because you have no money is not good as well. It seems like only time will tell what will happen with the game and the studio. I like the game, I played since 0.7 and bought almost every supporter pack there is, because compared to poe2 and diablo4 LE is a rare gem. I wish them luck anyways.

[kind harbor]

Maybe instead of arguing if paid expansion is good or not, everyone should ask another question: "Why is game failing so hard and bleeding players"

[hasty verge]

They would definitely have an impact. Draws people away from this game.

[hybrid sage]

ggg is just next level cracked, it's unfair to compare other companies to them

[silver knoll]

Hmm i love licking this korean boot!

[pastel summit]

I don't think it helps that a major theme of this game is "no matter what you do, the outcome never changes"

[hasty verge]

my brother in christ this was an issue and planned prior to the acquisition

[silver knoll]

tastes so good making excuses for the multi million dollar multi national

[hoary radish]

If anything this is a good thing, maybe another indie dev will develop another ARPG. Keep an abundance mindset

[glass pendant]

I rate this ragebait a solid C-

[hasty verge]

you people are so incapable of more than surface level thought

[stoic frigate]

Nobody wants to admit it's because the content of each season has been mid at best and outright bad at worst

[low moon]

As ARPG players we are eating good, as indie ARPG devs are starving. Sadge.

[silver knoll]

grim dawn

[void idol]

honestly? it could be due to how much more accessible the endgame is than most other arpgs. people can get in, do what they want, and be happy with that.

[low moon]

tough to compare, not live service

[coarse swallow]

Please remember to keep conversations civil. Debate the points individuals make, rather than attacking the person making them.

[silver knoll]

could of just went with expansion model from the start

[slow sorrel]

chat tldr so the game becoming p2w ?

[pure dawn]

The problem is that what they offer for money (cosmetics) are poor quality.

[kind harbor]

I completely agree,

[hybrid sage]

probably not

[fresh birch]

Xbox.

[silver knoll]

pay to get any new content soon

[low moon]

Not P2W, but "maybe" Pay for expansions

[hoary radish]

I don't know why people get personal. It's not that serious. Play the game if you enjoy it and if you think it is not worth your time then there are thousands of other games.

[hybrid sage]

pay to content, like diablo 4

[sacred elm]

I will gladly pay another $20 -$25 for an expansion with how many hours ive played the game

[hasty verge]

You'll pay for a single expansion that's currently planned.

[south girder]

so we charge for an expansion as an solution for the lack of endgame? That problably gonna make a lots of people pay more for the game

[kind harbor]

That is also true, I didn't even spend my beta coins because cosmetics are ugly for now

[low moon]

Ye 19.99 would prob be a cost I wouldn't mind for expansions

[glass pendant]

I do believe we have been very vocal about it especially s3. Personally I've taken the expansion's announcement and a "we're listening" financial reasons aside

[hoary radish]

That seems low no? $19.99?

[pure dawn]

Yeap. This is what they need to improve. The minute content is locked behind a paywall this game dies

[tidal ermine]

Personally I would love to see more and better cosmetics. I bought a couple supporter packs early on cause I very much enjoy the game but I still am sitting on a bunch of points because the cosmetic shop has almost nothing in it. The skill mtx is like one option if that per spell and there are like 10-15 armour sets? If you want to support your work through mtx it has to be cool mtx

[low moon]

yeah its to be affordable for long term for the masses

[sacred elm]

wasnt base game $20?

[hybrid sage]

i never spent additional money on LE since buying the early beta. i will gladly buy an expansion pack if it's even somewhat good.

[brittle quartz]

Judd said that the expansion "may" cost extra and it may not. He also mentioned that seasons, with content updates, will continue as normal. At least read the post before rage baiting.

[hoary radish]

I thought it was $30 dollar

[vivid portal]

its still miles cheaper than a certain other game lol

[kind harbor]

I on the other hand won't be buying expansion. I prefer GD or TQ2 or PoE. If LE wants my money, they need to make the base game good first

[low moon]

imagine having to pay 59.99 every 4 months, for an indie ARPG, as much as I love LE, I can't see that price point sustainable

[glass pendant]

Than a lot of other games

[short sphinx]

i don't get how people can call seasons mid to bad and then turn around and be mad that they are making moves personally with the goal of improving seasonal/game content in general lol. pick a battle.

[hoary radish]

But if the expansion is significant enough, then $30-40 dollar (per dlc) is resonable.

[pure dawn]

Nobody will want to play “half a game”. Either you buy the expansion or you stop playing

[silver knoll]

judds word unfortunately means nothing anymore

[low moon]

if significant

[silver knoll]

he isnt making the choices.

[low moon]

cuz the last one wasnt

[kind lake]

ragebait unsuccessful

[hoary radish]

Just look at Xbox ultimate game pass, people will gladly pay more for premium content evne with 50% increase.

So I think its fine

[cinder rock]

no aRPG not even blizzard or GGG can afford to go into a major expansion production cycle within 4 months.

[low moon]

and yet they do

what

[cinder rock]

they don't

[short sphinx]

literally just making shit up lmao

[long haven]

literally people are cancelling their membership

[vivid portal]

they said its going to be several seasons before the expansion... thats plenty of time lol

[pure dawn]

What? Everyone is fricking out about game pass lol everyone is cancelling

[hoary radish]

Whoosh 🙁

[silver knoll]

to be fair they doubled the availible games and the pc price is only 25% more

[south girder]

what major expansion? GGG ditch out expansion worthy content every "cycle"

[low moon]

yea

[steel mesa]

the game being full of bugs also pushes people away. but yeah the content being mediocre is the main issue.

[fickle birch]

Does anyone know the validity of this "It ensures a growing future for Last Epoch, which, being transparent, was at risk before" statement? Because as someone who has spent $357 from supporter packs to buying the game for my friends, I gotta say that sounds like BS. Or maybe I'm just a whale for wanting to support a small studio with a fun game?

[silver knoll]

now an entire expansions worht every 2 months

[hybrid sage]

ggg made new leagues with like 3 people while the rest was working on poe 2 and the leagues were still "ok"

[trail cedar]

Nothing wrong with paying for expansions as long as it's quality content. I can't justify buying skins/cosmetics as it adds nothing to my play experience. But an expansion that adds several hours of new content and/or a new class? I'll buy without thinking.

[quiet drift]

I'll gladly pay for expansion if the game got character customization, even if its a very limited customization (like Grim Dawn where it's merely gender pick). At the moment, that's the only reason i stopped playing (already got 600++ hours anyway)

[void hatch]

Right? They think they're Blizzard or smth.

[silver knoll]

more then OK, tota could of been its own standalone game

[hasty verge]

I've bought all of the packs as well, but that doesn't mean enough players are to sustain it

[glass pendant]

Yeah like we said before, content brings tourists over, bug squishing isn't the first priority when there's financial stakes on hand

[pure dawn]

Bruh you spending 357$ means nothing for the future of the game. They need enough people spending 357$, which they don’t

[brittle quartz]

The vast majority of people bought the game early access or on release and never spent another dime on the game.

[low moon]

Imma just ask this of chat - Would you have paid 39.99 for the current expansion ?

[steel mesa]

so because you spent a lot of money on the game that means a lot of other people do as well? or am I misunderstanding your point? because they're not a profitable studio.

[tepid olive]

but new games are not that good, I used xbox sub for a month and cancelled because there is literally nothing good and new to play. I'll buy games I like in Steam instead.

[hoary radish]

I think part of the issue is they were execting the MTX to be the model

[pure dawn]

And they never will unless skins are enticing to buy

[hoary radish]

Since MTX model didnt happen (successfully) this caused the issue

[hasty verge]

I'll determine if I'll pay for the expansion when I see what it contains. They are clearly intending for it to be more substantial if it's an 'expansion'.

[kind harbor]

GD somehow is still alive and the game with all DLCs costed like 20$

[south girder]

not for what still feels unfinnished end game

[long haven]

theres a difference between season and expansion

[pure dawn]

No. Never paid content

[glacial rune]

but we do not know what the expansion will be, will it be good, bad, big, small? we do not know

[hoary radish]

My wonder is from a business perspective from Krafton how does $96 million work out long term from a stakeholder value. I wonder if they are trying to diversify to sell off Krafton itslef

[silver knoll]

for the 3rd copy of nemesis? no

[glass pendant]

Imo the game would've done better at least in s2 if the cash shop wasn't as poor in options. It served as a soft reboot, if that was me I'd have loaded it up with a metric ton of good cosmetics

[low moon]

Exactly

[glass pendant]

Found myself not knowing if I wanted to spend money on mid skins

[fickle birch]

That's kind of what I was asking, yeah. I don't want to dive down a rabbit hole looking for their profits, but it would seem odd if I was the only one putting triple digits in to the game.

[brittle quartz]

GD has a much smaller development team and much less costs to cover than EHG.

[low moon]

the skins are definetly mid, no contest

[silver knoll]

also significaltly less skills that dont work

[kind harbor]

well, that simply means EHG is bad at cost managing

[glass pendant]

yeah sadly

Some good ones but still

[low moon]

over the top, or not noticable

[hoary radish]

To make $96 million back it will be a tall order with EHG so imo Krafton is wantign to expand its portfolio and also sell itself off to a bigger fish.

[grizzled karma]

From Judd's post: We weren’t profitable with Season 1, 2, or 3 after our 1.0 launch.

[cinder rock]

Last D4 expansion was 1 year ago, PoE2 is under development currently
Also GGG is much larger than EHG and is privately owned likewise, if they didn't turn in a profit they would monetize leagues aswell

[severe socket]

Bad at managing in general.

[tight epoch]

GD is not a seasonal game

[hoary radish]

GD is also a much smaller team isn;'t it?

[severe socket]

It is.

[brittle quartz]

I will if the content is worth it. I've sunk 500 hours into the game and am willing to continue my support. That support ends if corporate sleezyness becomes too blatant.

[hoary radish]

It also has 2 very succesful game under it and works lean and doesn't have seasonal model

[severe socket]

When GD first launched, they had like 10-12 people tops.

[hoary radish]

So its business case is much different

[kind harbor]

maybe LE shouldn't be too in that case if they are not good enough to compete with PoE and D4

[main frigate]

As this trend, the expansion will need players to pay at a high chance 🤔

[low moon]

ppl who compare to grim dawn fail to understand what live service means

[severe socket]

IIRC, there's a mod which handles that part, but I haven't used any.

[glass pendant]

Regardless of what the future brings and all the doompreaching, the fact of the matter is the game would die without the acquisition if there was no cash coming in

So I don't know

[steel mesa]

In the game's current state? Absolutely not. The game is a joke atm honestly.

[hoary radish]

I think they will be spending alot on marketing with youtubers and twitch streamers

To market the game with Krafton money

[glass pendant]

I'm fine with good marketing

[tight epoch]

I see, but mods are free content from community

[dark holly]

I still find it hard to believe, but it is what it is.

[main frigate]

Me too

[outer lily]

Letting outrage tourists and doomers have a feast in general is not the diplomacy the mods think it is.
I've seen the same thing being allowed on PoE forums, and it's a toxic shithole at the present due to mod inaction about this type of reaction chasing.

[severe socket]

Already covered that one before. #💬┃general message

[versed bone]

I mean, playing people livable wages is expensive.

[low moon]

cool.

[versed bone]

They aren’t outsourcing development to India.

[azure peak]

Not hard when you factor in it being multiplayer, paying wages for dozens of staff, server costs, maintenance, etc

[steel mesa]

It's easy to believe. The content has been mostly mediocre so I doubt most people want to buy cosmetics.

[severe socket]

I think livable demands some definition...

[hoary radish]

I have never paid $40 dollar for the base game itself much less a DLC.

[glass pendant]

Yeah

[azure peak]

Also LE has much less predatory MTX, even PoE has paid for stashes etc

[glass pendant]

Very easy to believe

If anything it was a little too obvious

[brittle quartz]

Censoring opinion is never the way.

[azure peak]

If you had to pay for stashes in LE they'd be making a bomb

[glass pendant]

Look at s3 retention

[outer lily]

"opinion"

[low moon]

Honestly, no one is pointing out the biggest issue in LE. The boring end game corruption mechanic, it's the #1 reason the game is not successful, and I genuinly believe that. Screw expansions and seasons... If your core gameplay is just pushing more damage/health, it's boring.

[versed bone]

The application I run costs 20,000/month in azure and it’s not even at 800 maus.

[hoary radish]

I think it would be pretty funny if they make the game online only and start charging stash tab and make it f2p

[south girder]

The amount of money you pay for stashes once is what LE base game cost

[brittle quartz]

Belittling other's opinions because they don't match yours is never the way.

[fickle birch]

LE, imo, has my favorite crafting system, which is why I've invested so much time and money in to it because I would love for it to continue. I just worry that (looking back historically) when a studio gets acquired by a larger conglomerate, the quality dips and more predatory tactics are introduced. If that happens with LE, I will be crushed by it more than any other game I've played. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[azure peak]

That is also a fair point

[outer lily]

Bad faith argument. There is a difference between outrage tourism and opinions.

[tidal heart]

I just bought the poe 2 supporter pack the other day and that was $400+ 😭

[turbid silo]

As a reminder, keep the conversation civil about this. Everyone has varying opinions and lets respect them.

[steel mesa]

I also enjoy this game's crafting system. LE does a lot right but their inability to push out meaningful content and squash bugs is concerning.

[cinder rock]

but GGG makes far more on MTX in general and is a much larger reality. supporter packs are a major part of their revenue, they refined their business models across years and even Chris Wilson said they were not profitable for quite a while.

[hasty verge]

I think many people have spent much more on PoE stashes than just $30. There's so many different types of stashes that it's easily up to $100 for long term players.

[glass pendant]

If you feel like a whale for dropping 400, oh boy

[short sphinx]

shout out to yall ensuring livable wages though, i love that energy

[digital oriole]

Theif said "all beginnings are hard, so i stole anvil".

[glass pendant]

Do I have news for you

[brittle quartz]

Giving opinions a moniker so that you may easily dismiss them rather than debate them is never the way.

[versed bone]

They also have Tencent backing them.

[hoary radish]

@hasty verge and so many have spent much less

[outer lily]

Thank you for the demonstration

[kind lake]

ggg was independent for 12 years before tencent tho

[tidal heart]

EHG just needs to up there game, me and my community drop a lot of moneyh on mtx. POE has good mtx and packs, there is nothing I really want to buy from LE, the sloth backpack was cool though

[void hatch]

Surely the combat will be as smooth as Diablo 4 or PoE 2 if they're going to release paid expansions, right?

[cinder rock]

that too, they are giants aswell, they have the funds and a fidelized playerbase to keep that monetization model.

[steel mesa]

You're funny

[hasty verge]

Doesn't change that LE is significantly less profitable by comparison. Smaller playerbase, $30 per player, some may buy the low cost MTX packs. It's way less than PoE earns on average per player I guarantee it.

[hoary radish]

Yes I agree

[brittle quartz]

Ok, I will stoop to your level just this once. Ahem
You're just a bootlicker.

[cinder rock]

I, myself, have spent far more than 30$ on PoE between supporter packs, MTX and stash tabs
More than I would like to admit in fact

[turbid silo]

Let's refrain from name calling please.

[tidal heart]

yeah any actual end game mapper has a bunch of tabs

like I am sure there are f2p but that sounds miserable in poe

[outer lily]

Every single one of your comments thus far had no intent but to agitate.

[steel mesa]

I've spent like $600 on PoE or something. Probably only $100 on LE. LE hasn't really given me a reason to give them more money yet.

[outer lily]

That's not "voicing opinions", that's ragebaiting.

[versed bone]

Just enjoy the games. Terminally online outrage has ruined gaming

[brittle quartz]

Calling people rage tourists doesn't have the same goal?

[kind lake]

i mean i almost guarantee that like 90% of the people in here complaining about paid expansion will buy the expansion even if its $60

[fickle birch]

Wrong. Corporations have ruined gaming.

[outer lily]

tu quoque?
bad faith after bad faith. ew.

[digital oriole]

@outer lily i would recomend to stop feeding these people. Its not really worth it.

[glass pendant]

my take is, between this and the game closing, this is positive news (that we pretty much knew about but still) so I'm personally glad for today's news, regardless of how all this gets handled in the future. Sure maybe the ship will sink, maybe it won't but that's not in my hands

[steel mesa]

If they don't add meaningful content and fix bugs by the time the expansion comes out I won't be buying it

[low moon]

That is very very veeeerrryyyyy idealistic

[glass pendant]

My only "concern" is that Judd said multiple seasonal content until expansion

[low moon]

I doubt that's happening, 60$ will just kill it

[outer lily]

My bad, I always hope for some sense.

[stable shoal]

See finally they said it they weren't profitable makes sense since you are not forced to buy stash tabs like in poe 3

[shut shard]

This is the main problem, their mtx are mostly shit with very few exceptions

[kind lake]

i dont think it will be $60 but my point is 90% of the complainers will just buy the expansion anyway

[vivid portal]

would you rather they rush it and it gets ruined? then again no matter what they do, the ragers gonna rage lol

[hoary radish]

The difference between Path of Exile is
Competiton - when it came out it was basically Diablo. Not so much true for Last epoch today. Both within its own industry and broader gaming market at large. new players wont care about nuance
Content- with path of exile outside of a few stash tabs you can access all content, won't be true with expansion for last epoch
loyalty- path of exile and diablo have a BRAND developed that last epoch doesn't yet have, its not a "household" name among gamers
consistency- path of exile has shown consistently that last epoch still has to show (no offense)

[digital oriole]

Its not really worth the argue, some people just refuse.

[glass pendant]

No but I fear for seasonal drop being as stale as s3 leading up to that

I hope not obviously

[brittle quartz]

Hardly a logical fallacy. The crazy part is I support EHG, but I don't support the ignorance of assuming anyone who doesn't support them to be "rage tourists".

[azure peak]

The transparency is really good, I hope they can iterate enough to keep it competitive. The game has phenomenal bones and a lot of the systems have received heavy praise, but there's something about LE that doesn't quite hook me as much. The mono grind is incredibly repetitive and I think the combat needs a lot of work imo, it's still quite clunky in a lot of ways

[stable shoal]

People should stop complaining 1600 hours of playtime for 30 $ match that out anytime soon

[tidal heart]

😂 I love people who rage for this stuff, I get to listen to poe players rage every single season for 2 games now and every single season they come back and play regardless, been hearing it for years with Riot games and League also

[fickle birch]

$60 for an ARPG expansion seems insane to me in the current live-service model. It's why a lot of people didn't even bother with Diablo 4 in the first place, or jumped ship after the first year when their paid expansion was announced.

[hoary radish]

I think last epoch expected blowback, they are not naive obviosuly.

[versed bone]

I mean. Yes and No. MTX for sure has for sure but there are still good games made by corporations. PlayStation is a corporation. Nintendo is a corporation.

[outer lily]

The thing is, I have seen what mod inaction about this type of thing did to poe forums. Seeing it repeat is disheartening.

[steel mesa]

This is also an issue yeah. The cosmetics have been pretty bad.

[urban shale]

there's no shot they'll make it $60, but i do wonder if going the paid expansion route will be profitable either -- someone made a good point of if an expac is essentially mandatory, people are either going to buy or just quit

[short sphinx]

i finished reading the post and there isn't much to say besides i have faith in the team from what was said and i look forward to what they are cooking and good luck with the expansion of the studio! ggs

[glass pendant]

I'm pretty sure that anyone above 1k hours has well earned an opinion but hey that's just me

[brittle quartz]

They've gotten blowback every announcement they've made since release. Sensible or not.

[fickle birch]

Developers make games, not corporations.

[versed bone]

Okay man. Whatever.

Bad faith argument missing the point entirely.

[shut shard]

I might buy it if I see a significant step up in quality and content from what we have now. And dev attitude\priorities. If it keeps going as it had, I won't even play s4 for free

[versed bone]

Small dev studios that are LLCs are corporations.

[glass pendant]

I think that the following seasons will be a good indication as to how the expansion will sell because people will definitely want to see a step up in content

[steel mesa]

I barely played S3. It wasn't good. They need to step up their game for S4 and beyond.

[kind lake]

you have 20k posts in here in a year. you aint quittin lil bro come on

[outer lily]

I've grown pretty tired of a specific subset of gamers jumping from medium to medium to review bomb and ragebait, because that's what they thrive on.

[glass pendant]

Remains to be seen though

[fickle birch]

I didn't miss the point, you're just trying to give credit to faceless CEOs and shareholders for work that developers did, whom they would fire in an instant for a new boat.

[digital oriole]

@outer lily that's why i do not argue with them, ive seen them do same across many games. Feeding and trying to attack with argument is pointless. Some people refuse to say "you are right and i was wrong", even thou i like to be proven wrong. Just feeding those kinda of "bootlickers" os not really helping anyone.

[kind lake]

im also gonna quit gambling next time i lose, this is it, this is the time i quit, really guys

[thorn bane]

And bug fixes/things working how they say 💀

[versed bone]

No I’m not dude. Learn to read.

Think.

[digital oriole]

@outer lily i agree there

[vapid terrace]

🤡

[stable shoal]

Not when they want the company to fail and go bankrupt cause they know nothing about the finances of the company ,you can be no profitable for a while but either you make money to pay staff and keeps light on or company and game gone forever so I rather they find their sweet spot and charge for an expansion to get somewhere.

[glass pendant]

most of the people that have been blasting for 1k hours want the game to succeed. Stick around any regular day when there's no news and all you'll see is feedback being exchanged

[fickle birch]

Really living up to that name "Shill"

[versed bone]

How original.

[azure peak]

A huge step up in quality is what they need to save the game. The bugs have been endless, performance is terrible and the overall feel is incredibly janky. It's a game that has great systems but the "feel" is just so far behind other games in the genre. It's like reverse D4, that has terrible systems but looks nice and feels good to play.

[coarse swallow]

Please remember to be civil in chat. I will start timing out users.

[tidal heart]

hahaha holyyyyyy that was good

[turbid silo]

Respect other people's thoughts and opinions please. No one is right or wrong.

[fickle birch]

It's your name, brother. I didn't give it to you 😂

[shut shard]

Why should I stop shitposting especially if it's more fun than playing?

[steel mesa]

I don't think anyone that consistently plays this game wants it to fail. We do however want the game to be worth our money. If they expect us to pay for a paid expansion the game needs to improve within the next year since that's probably how long it will take for the expansion to come out.

[thorn bane]

2k hours for 30 bucks here, no mtx bought. Definitely got my money worth and don't mind paying an expansion

[hoary radish]

It doesn't look good to be this upset about a BUSINESS decision.

[urban shale]

i gotta say though, putting "maybe" in the post as to whether the coming expac will be paid or not does not inspire confidence

[versed bone]

I’m quite aware. My friends did. Because it’s a shorter version of my last name.

[tidal pagoda]

Good post. Cant wait for more updates. Game is only going to get better.

[hoary radish]

I am hoping personally Last epoch turns into maplestory

[urban shale]

i'm going to assume this might be just part of the whole acquisition thing making things messy for you guys but yeah

[fickle birch]

Nominative Determinism must not be in your vocabulary, I guess. 😂

[shut shard]

Yeah this is certainly rage posters jumping from game to game and not veterans finally losing patience for the game

[steel mesa]

I think it's obvious at this point that it's gonna be paid. That "maybe" was probably leaving the door open for it to be free IF they start making a profit with upcoming seasons.

[outer lily]

Precisely.

[versed bone]

Acquisitions are challenging. Our software firm got acquired last year and we still haven’t merged our Outlooks.

[thorn bane]

Yet the rest of it said we broke and it's prob going to be a paid expax

[median widget]

I wonder if this be like D4. Merely any seasonal content and actual end game additions in paid expansions. Oh I'm sorry, 'maybe' paid

[tidal pagoda]

eh, might also become a seasonal Battle Pass model. Would work well since it drives engagement

[fickle birch]

"Maybe" is always a "yes" in corporate speak.

[hoary radish]

Oh yeah they better add a battle pass.

[glass pendant]

Personally I don't even care about that. I'm way beyond getting value out of my money (which I have multiple times over). I've stopped weighing the game on a monetary scale. I just want to see it grow and not fail

[tidal pagoda]

D4 Battlepass was good before they changed to the reliquary system

[loud bay]

Ok, so in the end they need a change in the business model - it was too good honestly 🙂 i did my part but i'm fine to pay expansions a reasonable price. As far the game goes, i'm having fun that i don't have with other games in the genre, so to me it's a one option choice (just started titan quest 2 but too early to speak)

[urban shale]

i mean yeah, 3 seasons not being profitable is insane, but then again the spacing between the seasons was also problematic too

[versed bone]

I have 450 hours in a game I paid $35 for. That’s winning.

[shut shard]

This but also, great systems? Like dungeons? Arena? Builds being hamstrung by poor balance? Power creep galore?

[thorn bane]

Yeah that's rough with season 2 peak

[hoary radish]

I hope in the future after my mba i get to work at a gaming company helping implement pricing strategy for live service games. It would be very fun to see how upset people get lmao

[loud bay]

And i wpuld be fine with cheap (10 bucks) passes that give you passive cosmetics XD

[tidal heart]

Idk why anyone would not want the game to make money, they gotta do what they gotta do. I never thought my $30 would last me as long as it did anyway, I just spent $70 on the new silent hill and only got 8 hours of gaming from it 😂

[glass pendant]

1200, bought the game 4 times +mtx, would do it twice over for the sake of all the issues with the game being addressed

[glass pendant]

Condolences

[steel mesa]

8 hours for $70 is laughable

[outer lily]

I have paid more than the expansion could cost in stash tabs alone in PoE.
If a paid expansion for a game with such longevity and replayability is so much outside someone's financial possibilities, they have other things to worry about than video games.
Can we please close this discussion already.

[gentle ridge]

Im fine paying for expansions but then i want a transmog system. Im either paying for game or mtx, not both.

[tidal pagoda]

I mean, PoE is FREE and Ive spent something like $5000 over the last 10 years. If you are complaining about $20-40 you got bigger problems than the cost of a game update tbh

[versed bone]

They won’t stop. They got pinged. Lol

[tidal heart]

I mean a good chunk of the arpg community gonna be messing around with TLI next week and that game is full p2w gacha and I am looking forward to it

[versed bone]

Right?

[tidal pagoda]

$20 doesnt even buy me and my wife dinner at Subway lol

[steel mesa]

I doubt I'll ever touch TLI.

[void hatch]

The game is just not that good for paid expansions

[shut shard]

They said that they were working on transmog.. 3 years ago

[glass pendant]

Something I wish there was more of, is a little communication in the topic of development moving forward. Maybe a "ask the players what type content they'd wanna see" thing. Usually they just collect feedback and you never know what inspired which part of the game or what has the chance to make it to content in some form or another

I'd like to see a "we're developing this thing"

[urban shale]

i'm less concerned about how expensive it'll be, but more so whether this business model will work lol

[outer lily]

precisely

[versed bone]

Taking my kids to dinner is like $50 a pop. Minimum. Lol

[outer lily]

If you want to, buy it. if not, don't.
There is literally no point to this discussion other than vibekill.

[versed bone]

Anything other than fast food.

[hoary urchin]

I spend 1,000 a day on heating

[versed bone]

Can we get a pin?

[tidal heart]

that is your opinion, I have fun with LE every season, its not POE obvi but nothing is poe 1 its got like 10 years of banger content and it had its fair shares of bad leagues also Kalandra league half the community lost their minds

[steel mesa]

"please don't say anything negative about the games I like"

[glass pendant]

Just brick a 3lp, save money

[strong cloud]

My only annoyance and worry is "we did two expansions with the cash shop and it didn't cover the costs of two years of development" or what not. Some of Poe's supporter packs costs 500$-2000$ and for last epoch I bought.. purple hammer effect for 15$?

[tidal pagoda]

Its actually imo, the 2nd best ARPG out right now. it has an insane amount of content and the gameplay is fun. It just marred by the P2W side of things

[versed bone]

Nah if you’re going to complain just don’t spend the money. Duh.

[azure peak]

Yeah of course there are some bad things, but itemisation and crafting are strong, which is the foundation of ARPGs imo. They need to flesh out the rest

[strong cloud]

They need more thicc stuff for whales before trying to get 500k people to spend 10-40$ each like one company managed to do

[outer lily]

What do you aim to achieve?

[steel mesa]

The p2w stuff just puts me off. I'm sure it's probably fun but I've heard the p2w is pretty bad.

[glass pendant]

The p2w is very bad yeah

[coarse swallow]

We've discussed doing these kinds of interactions many times. We really want to have these kinds of discussions with the community. The problem is it's often seen as a promise that it will happen. ie. if we ask "How would you improve Smite?", everyone expects Smite to receive updates in the near future. However, that may not be the case with other prioritization. With more resources, we hope to find a good way to have more of these kinds of interactive posts/discussions.

[versed bone]

Rage farming.

[tidal pagoda]

Nah. You can do everything in the game F2P. You just arent going to have the "Multi Mirror" build set ups like others do(they RMT anyways)

[glass pendant]

I think a little bit of "nothing is set in stone this is merely a discussion" disclaimer would help with that. I wouldn't want such conversation to be limited out of fear for bad actors

[hoary radish]

Lol this is like smite goign to smite 2, that was a huge blow up too . Good reference

[digital oriole]

@stable shoal this is game early access to be fair, Problem is currently not that game is bad game is good but lack of content is just worrysome. Sets are meh, end game is at best meh. Problem is that game is to young to be profitable. Lack of these is not attracting people to this game or quanity and quality of content is not sufficient to be profitable. Pushing content behind paywall is scummy to me, i already paid for base game....sure but that base game is just that....

[versed bone]

Dude. I can’t even get my customer success people to stop promising all our new customers new features. Even with their manager begging them to stop. PAIN

[tidal heart]

will miss out on the booba skins also 😂

[turbid silo]

It's a double edged sword for sure

[steel mesa]

fair. I'm bored of PoE2 so I might play it while I wait for PoE1 lol.

They said it's not until the end of the month so bleh

[tidal pagoda]

Thats my plan lol

[glass pendant]

and to be fair you wouldn't be aiming to collect feedback from bad actors to begin with. It's very clear who's just there to create chaos and who actively cares during such conversations

That's a plus the forums have for me. Non real time discussion

[hoary radish]

I wonder how much games like Last Epoch and Path of Exile thrive or fail based on youtubers and streamer perceiptions

[versed bone]

There are constructive ways to deliver feedback and it starts with the solution to the problem.

[pseudo geyser]

We know the burning question is “Will the expansion have any cost associated with it?” To set expectations, the answer is “maybe.”

[digital oriole]

@turbid silo Someone is always right and someone is always wrong....and there is miscommunication and misinformation on both sides. I(i assume for everyone you said what you said.) was attacking argument of those people not people itself. Someone who is wrong yet "bootlicker" is sure a name but also a status that he (or someone) will defend something just cause he likes dose not mean he is right it means he will defend even if that wrong....that is naturally wrong. It is a status of person aka behaviour.....that no one likes. Instead of attacking sus person who rages people in that behaviour is ok, while allowing that kinda behaviour is for me a bad sign.

[outer lily]

I think it is quite obvious to see which posts are bad actor ragebait and which are constructive feedback.

[versed bone]

You will win often if you have the solution.

[glass pendant]

Imo a big "nothing discussed here is a promise or a done deal thing" disclaimer will filter out a lot of negativity

Discussion will only bring benefits

[hoary radish]

I personally am trying my very best to the greatest bad actor there ever was.

[turbid silo]

We have released new #feedback and #suggestions channels aimed at making it easier for us to collect feedback that we're reviewing weekly and sharing to the team.

[steel mesa]

Well players aren't always good at offering solutions. The main goal of feedback should be to bring problems to the devs attention. But I think they're aware of this game's issues.

[outer lily]

the option to shut up is always there

[digital oriole]

true lol

[hoary radish]

Sure but where is the fun in that

[urban shale]

so players shouldn't voice concerns?

[digital oriole]

We are costumers, and angry bunch of EHG xD

[hoary radish]

YES YES YES

[steel mesa]

Yes. Players should just consume, consume, consume.

[turbid silo]

Absolutely not, we want to hear you. The community is an integral part of us as a studio.

[azure peak]

Players should always offer constructive feedback

[glass pendant]

The drawback with that in my opinion is that it's not a be all end all, because it's a one way street. You don't see the fruits of your suggestion or how it's been received until the next patch. Not that the suggestions aren't useful, but what I'm discussing is a two way street method of "here's a big post about our ideas and what we're working on, in light of this, post your feedback below"

[versed bone]

If you bring a solution with the concerns, you will have a louder voice. That’s my point.

[glass pendant]

Would probably help work in tandem with the suggestions channel here

[outer lily]

This, children, is what we call a strawman fallacy.

[steel mesa]

Not really when you're telling people to not voice concerns.

Clown world.

[turbid silo]

Sounds like further transparency of what happens to feedback and suggestions is what you're looking for so it doesn't feel like it falls on dead ears

[stable shoal]

@digital oriole I played my fair amount of game i know all about all the problems and bugs ,still cost me 30$ meanwhile I have to spend over 100 $to be able to stash items on my poe2 account so do your math that is more scummy to me

[kind lake]

its simple guys,

construcive feedback = things i agree with
ragebait = things i disagree with

[steel mesa]

More or less yeah

[tidal heart]

Hear me out, Beach season, people will rage but you will make more money from Primalist speedo than any other mtx you ever made

[hoary radish]

Exaclty, how did you know?

[digital oriole]

I don't play PoE2

[simple bison]

Hopefully the roadmap will communicate that

[glass pendant]

Precisely. People have complained that they fear their voice isn't being heard, and it's lead to cases recently where the CM work in particular was feeling invalidated (I know Wick felt disheartened).

So maybe a system that shows that isn't the case

[glass pendant]

I was thinking about that too

[turbid silo]

I'm going to think more on this to come up with something that shows the community is being heard.

[digital oriole]

@stable shoal i don't play PoE or live service games cuz of Live service (always online) main reason i i can get my freinds to play in offline mode. That is main reason i bought this game.

[glass pendant]

Greatly appreciated

[severe socket]

This exactly. I'm glad that more people are voicing this concern.
It's awful to feel like talking to a wall whenever sending any sort of feedback/suggestions.

[simple bison]

I think if we pretty much always have a roadmap that we can look at and tell somewhat what's happening in the future it'd help a lot. Since I remember the first roadmap got referenced constantly, even after it stopped being accurate. They're just something the community can hook on to as a reference point usually.

[glass pendant]

this is pretty much what I feel is currently missing no matter the iteration

[steel mesa]

Yeah I mean the roadmap is super outdated atp

[turbid silo]

Taken note of this.

[kind harbor]

Well, it was fun while it lasted, I genuinely think devs created the game that could beat them all but they buried their chances with multiple questionable choices and complete inability to fix bugs and balance issues. S4 will be below 50k peak concurrent players, I have no doubt about it.

[severe socket]

Also, just flat-out wiping off the old channels feels very underhanded towards people who put in effort to formulate their input, myself included. I've lost at least three big pieces of suggestions I'm gonna have some hard time reiterating, but, honestly, I don't feel like contributing anymore because whatever I send feels like a direct attack at EHG's vision in some capacity.

[outer lily]

The way I see it, a group of people made a project, and I candecide to enjoy it or not. I can give feedback and ideas what I believe could be improved and how. Or I can leave if I don't like it.
However people who believe they're entitled to their ideas being implemented, or to free stuff, or to cause tumult, should just go make their own games and let us enjoy things.
Vibekills should be moderated, that's the whole point of moderation. If you wanna call it "censoring", be my guest.

[digital oriole]

@severe socket i agree, it really feels like "suggestions is place where they go to die"

[turbid silo]

Oh they aren't wiped -- We still have them and will retain the feedback shared.

Don't worry, your feedback is safe 🙂

[severe socket]

Except we can't access it anymore.

[fallen iron]

why do ancient bones sometimes drop outside of rifts? like I just did a rift, come out, kill an exiled mage and he drops ancient bones? is that expected?

[simple bison]

Is there a reason to want to? I'm not saying there Isn't but I can't think of one

[severe socket]

Maybe weaver tree has something to do with it.

[glass pendant]

(be semi afk for a bit, making pizza)

[outer lily]

As someone who'd like to:

• I like having my thoughts "sorted" and documented
• I'm forgetful
• for reflection purposes

[severe socket]

For personal keeping. Or for thinking it over and reiterating. Off the top of my head.

[tardy island]

so what i gather from that statement is, The game hasnt yet been profitable, and way things are going, it might not be, and may have to charge for expansions, which still could be not profitable bc not enough interest, and will die?

[digital oriole]

@simple bison so other people would like to see, and stop DOUBLE posting same sugestions? MAYBE?

[simple bison]

Double posting is totally fine and even almost encouraged. If several people feel the same way it should be reflected. Obviously don't just copy paste though.

[vocal sonnet]

so basically the studio was going broke hence the buyout

[outer lily]

I have previously expressed my dissatisfaction with the channels being gone without any warning, so I can sympathise.

[coarse swallow]

They were discontinued due to technical limitations. So keeping them just causes confusion and continues the issues they presented. Even if marked as archive, they would still confuse players of where to provide feedback. The server also has a lot of channels, so it creates a lot of clutter for users keeping archived channels visible.

[digital oriole]

Understandable.

[tardy island]

with ps5 still several seasons away, i dotn think this boads well for the game. If the first 3 seasons wearnt profitable, and 2 was so good player wise so to speak, i dont think this boads well for the next 2 seasons. S3 was meh

[severe socket]

🤷‍♂️

[simple bison]

Season 2 also took almost a year to come out, it needed to make basically 3-4 seasons worth of money

[severe socket]

Can't profit off something with limited funding when said funding is stretched so thin it tears at the slightest wheeze.

[cobalt fable]

krafton buys company, paid expansion follows i knew it

[outer lily]

No group is harder to please than gam0rs

[main frigate]

Glad to know I'm not alone on feel it's a pity of hiding the old forum. It saved lots of valuable menories for many players.

[cobalt fable]

its jover

[urban shale]

i was originally surprised that s2 wasn't profitable, but putting it like this makes sense lol

[steel mesa]

The expansion was already planned before Krafton- these things don't just appear out of thin air

[glass pendant]

Rushed products is the last thing the game needs. And it's not like there won't be seasons in between. You can argue those aren't enough but we will only know that on release. I don't want them to be as small as s3 either

[tidal heart]

for you maybe 😂 , I will be buying the new expac

[outer lily]

And if it was rushed, you'd complain about that.

[simple bison]

Yeah a good season makes like maybe 50-100% more money at best I'd imagine, not 300-400%

[tardy island]

there other issue is releasing same time as THE other ARPG. This game i think needs Console release to stay afloat. PC aint gonna do it

[cobalt fable]

i trusted this game so much , only to get kicked in the balls in the end

[digital oriole]

@outer lily i would 2. I paid for this, i do not need half baked stuff that are broken. No one does.

[outer lily]

How did it "kick you in the balls"?

[glass pendant]

your ragebait skill is leveling up

[outer lily]

I agree

[steel mesa]

S2 likely cost more money to make + they had a delay between seasons so that contributed to it not being profitable

[tidal heart]

Companies are not your drinking buddy, what is happening here?

[earnest pelican]

Gamers try not to be pathetic challenge: impossible edition

[simple bison]

Guys keep it civil and respectful please.

[outer lily]

"How dare [product] cost money" is plain stupid for lack of better terms, especially given the very reasonable pricing.

[earnest pelican]

same dudes dropping 200 dollars a year on battle passes with 5 streaming service subscriptions and 14 only fans subs

"WHAT? A 20 DOLLAR EXPANSION FOR A GAME I PAID 30 DOLLARS FOR 6 YEARS AGO?!"

[tardy island]

S3 felt rushed an unfullfilling, took way less to reach endgame, and system was kind of lame. If this is what is to come, they arnt going to get more ppl into it. They need a serious sitdown and reconsider how progression is and the details. This just isnt it. If you want player retention, u need something to keep them occupied, not satisfy all their wants in the first week.

[earnest pelican]

THE COMPANY WILL GO UNDER IF IT DOESNT MAKE MONEY? I FEEL SO BACKSTABBED

[outer lily]

So when's your game coming out?

You seem very knowledgeable

[steel mesa]

It makes sense for it to cost money. Unfortunately they're not making a profit off of cosmetics so the only solution is to make the expansion paid.

[outer lily]

How dare my dev slaves want to pay rent and eat food?

Back to work!

[glass pendant]

While also dropping 100 on gta6 inevitably soon

[severe socket]

Hi there, fellow gamer 👋

[earnest pelican]

BUT MY FATHER... ERRR.. I MEAN MY GAMING COMPANY SAID IT WOULDNT CHARGE FOR ANYTHING

[tardy island]

id never make a game, have better things to do. But as a consumer, who paid, I have a voice, and it matters. and I know i am not alone in that sentiment, if I wasnt, this game would be booming... but its not...

[earnest pelican]

I AM SO BETRAYED LOL

[versed bone]

I spent $70 on Super Mario Galaxy 1+2 in spite of rage gamers.

For every dollar they “refuse” to spend, I spend 3.

[coral meadow]

They already sold me supporter packs that they claimed were the only monetization that they'd sell me. Now they want more money to pay for what I already helped fund.

I'm not saying that they're not allowed to do it. I'm just saying I won't be here when they do.

[steel mesa]

I won't buy a console just for one game so that won't be me, will def buy it once it's on PC tho

[versed bone]

Magic the gathering is going through this problem. Every person I talk to hates the crossovers but wizards keeps making record profits.

[glass pendant]

You see now this is based. Consciously spending it, I can get behind. But dropping 70$ on ubisoft slop and then coming over to LE to complain about them daring to price content is just sad

[glass pendant]

Has a steam entry

[outer lily]

ok cya

[steel mesa]

Did they not say it won't be on PC at the same time?

[glass pendant]

I'm pretty sure I saw a steam entry am I crazy

Googling

[earnest pelican]

if you're enraged you're in 1 of 2 camps: You're too poor to be spending your time playing games anyways and you should go figure your shit out, or you're taking a totally hypocritical principled stand against something that you're too emotionally invested in and you're not a well regulated adult

[stable shoal]

Well when you have more a of a scope then you will have a better understanding of how this space works,poe is highly profitable because they have high aggressive pay stuff ,oh new stash tab gets added well buy it,this game needs pay expansion or something cause for sure mtx aint doing it for them,

[calm zodiac]

They also said they're not making enough money to sustain the game, what do you want them to do? Stop development entirely and pull a wolcen?

[glass pendant]

You're right. What. I could swear I saw an upcoming game entry thing

[outer lily]

Option 3: You're a gam0rdude who thrives on stirring the pot and being a living Dementor.

[calm zodiac]

People be paying 30$ on skins in other games and complaining about paying for a 100+ hours of content

[earnest pelican]

oh true i forgot about the dark triad of personality traits that most online trolls display

[digital oriole]

@outer lily i do not care about the product price. What i do care is that what i paid is broken and what i need to pay (expansion) is going to be broken. Who wants that?
I could say alot of bad in game how many things in game is disconnected, (wanted to @ ehg) but i think they know how some items/features things are underdeveloped or badly designed. That is what i would like to be fixed. But every 3-4 months to give 20-30$ for an expansion...if that expansion is worth it...sure.

[versed bone]

As I’ve discovered in my travels trying to overcome my childhood trauma. It’s the latter. Most people aren’t well regulated.

[earnest pelican]

☝️

[tardy island]

then they need to look at why? Why cant they get the player counts to the game.. Its an ARPG, they should be able to? Is it console? IS it lack of content? Is the game too easy? (I think so), do they need more variety, more depth? If they dont do this, they will be dead before a console release

[calm zodiac]

I'm fine with a yearly 30$ content packed expansion, in fact I'd love it

[night marten]

lets stop with the backhand comments

[vivid portal]

idk, people that lead perfectly normal lives sometimes feel more disregulated lol

[outer lily]

Look where gentle parenting got us

[steel mesa]

I'm not enraged, I do expect a more polished product if they want me to pay for an expansion though

[digital oriole]

@stable shoal i've been playing for last 15 years of MMO-live services and i've seen discussing agressive approach of those companies. That is why i do not support it.

[versed bone]

If the content is good, and then perhaps made free after that year. I love this as an option.

[glass pendant]

I'd be fine with an expansion every half a year too if it was a big content drop

I'll always pay for content

[vocal sonnet]

I mean I like the game but the endgame does need a lot of work and the current season was very content light

[digital oriole]

@calm zodiac Yearly 20-30$ is not bad but if content is bad is that worth it?

[tidal pagoda]

As long as the content looks good/fun, agreed.

[steel mesa]

If the content is good I will pay.

[glass pendant]

100%

[spice cobalt]

Speaking of being well regulated, I regret checking into this Discord after an everyone ping every single time and I still do it lol

[steel mesa]

If it's like S3? I won't pay.

[tardy island]

the current season was a joke, lets be honest. Build a boss... that was it... nothing else.... What did you dow ith the rest of the development time? honestly

[outer lily]

then dont

duh

[digital oriole]

If its as last 2-3 seasons nope

[earnest pelican]

yeah, companies long term game plans change, they have to do what they have to do to maintain profitibility. Sometimes companies grow too fast, and the people in charge of the company arent super well equipped to handle growth, sometimes they need to pivot. If you've ever run a business or had a partner that runs a business you'd know this, but if you're a gamer who works at arbys (no judgment unless you're out here spouting hate), you wouldn't know that and you just want your good feelies from your free game

[calm zodiac]

In order to do all these things, that I do agree should be done, they need money to do so, that's where krafton came in, but it isn't a Charity, so they gotta recoup that money, so they gotta monetize it more, as long as they aren't making bullshit MTX like Poe I'm all in for it

[vocal sonnet]

What was season 3 really? A random boss spawn every so often and thats it?

[tidal pagoda]

S3 was fine. The primordial uniques were pretty cool

[versed bone]

Same. It wrecks my time management but it’s like a car crash. I can’t look away.

[hoary urchin]

what are you guys talking about is LE going to a pay for new league sales model?

[digital oriole]

@tidal pagoda promodrial uniques are meh at best

[earnest pelican]

not for seasonal, but potentially they'll charge for expansions - their last few seasons were not profitable and they need to figure something out to stay afloat and keep developing content

[steel mesa]

Lol S3 was fine? Some people have low standards I guess.

[vocal sonnet]

Nah I doubt they're going p2w, they may release some priced dlc's eventually though

[night marten]

there is no official answer on this other than 'maybe the expansion that is way in the future'

[tidal pagoda]

Just the same issue as the other seasons, end game getes a little boring just endless corruption pushing. Once that is solved the game should get a lot more traction

[glass pendant]

Season 3 was very story focused and we knew their focus was that. It obviously didn't translate well into the endgame but they wanted to get the story out of the way

Necessary evil I suppose

[versed bone]

It was better than every Diablo season so far.

[vocal sonnet]

s3 was not fine, it was literally the same but they added another random boss spawn and a few items

[calm zodiac]

Ofc, if content is shit it could be 10, 20, 30, 100 or even free, it won't matter, content need to have quality and that's a must, but quality cost money, there's no free quality product out there, you'll pay one way or the other.

[earnest pelican]

agree with this... I think LE has potential to be the best arpg out there but it needs to solve some of those fundamental issues

[tidal pagoda]

Yo, real talk, no one talks about how good the story was. I LOVED how it wrapped back in on itself. Perfect time traveller story line imo

[simple bison]

Campaign chapters take a shocking amount of dev time with the environments, new enemies etc. Which is why they haven't really been in a hurry to finish the campaign I feel, but they had to do it eventually so from time to time they're kinda forced to "sacrifice" a season for a new campaign chapter. At least that's my view on it.