💬┃general

[outer lily]

on HC? I'd rather not be 😆

[broken trench]

yeah the jump is only felt between empowered and non-empowered imo

you can go in at 25

[outer lily]

hmm

[broken trench]

but you need to know how to itemize a little bit which a guide can help with

[outer lily]

#📚┃off-topic message

Don't think this screams "I should be doing monos right now"

Maxing resistances was so trivial on Paladin

Though now I'm pretty curious about going to Monos 🤔
Do you skip multiple sections with all 3 dungeons, or just Heobora~Act 9 with Temporal Sanctum?
What's your go-to for "skipping stuff"?

Nevermind, I've read up on it. Pretty neat. I was too scared to enter stuff underleveled, but I will give it a shot.
Aren't dungeon key drops random though?

[broken trench]

yep

yeah you can budget res on idols too

[main frigate]

Done my test, yes they're not as horrible as before. All of them depend on my damage now. (The pity is get damage from weapon is quite hard when nothing in your shard stash)

The rhythm is quite slow or too slow after I get adapt to fast rhythm in poe 2... I just cut a monster 15+ times or a boss 30+ times to run out its health. I can do this thing quite slowly. Well...

I'm be slain already if I can't kill a monster under 6 times of cut in poe 2

But I keep my opinion that sentinel is the worst character for the campaign because no travel skills available.

[primal abyss]

Hope everyone is well today!

[glass pendant]

Hey hey Van

[primal abyss]

Good day.

[south moat]

G'day Van & George

[outer lily]

What would you say is the hardest fight in the campaign, considering your respective power level at its stage?

[sick flicker]

Is it normal to be at lv85 maps with char lv 72?

[glass pendant]

the first bird riding guy I think

[south moat]

First nemesis I saw this season

[wild moth]

absolutely. i'm at lvl64, doing 90 monoliths

[sick flicker]

Ahh okay good, I was worried Im skipping something important :D

[outer lily]

I believe you jump from area lv 57 in the last map to 70 immediately with Monolith

[sick flicker]

Neat :D

[outer lily]

I was in mid lv 80s (after many hours of grinding normal Monoliths) when I entered Empowered Monoliths (lv 100)

[willow sentinel]

The first bird miniboss that spawns "Fire breathing phenixes"

[outer lily]

Probably the only time I used a Healing Potion in both my playthroughs.

[glass pendant]

Stealing my ideas 💔

[carmine smelt]

Probably the fire bird mini boss when you are level 4 or whatever. Otherwise I would say the first zone you get all the poison scorpions and stuff in general. Then the guy in that same act that does the sand spinning attack, also a miniboss. I would say lagon because the damage is high enough to oneshot but if you know the fight it's almost impossible to die.

I also always do temporal sanctum skip even on first character. Early monos can be easier than some of the lower level campaign zones for whatever reason.

[outer lily]

Oh hey! Your videos heavily contributed to me going from newbie to pro after a day of binging videos + reading wiki info about the game and its mechanics and strategies. 😆

[glass pendant]

We all know the hardest boss in the game is the eternity cache

[carmine smelt]

Glad to help! Though I wouldn't call myself a pro at campaign progression myself, for that I'd check out Terek or LizardIRL, if you play HC

[outer lily]

Nah, the hardest boss is the second Exalted affix when making your 2 LP Legendary.

[glass pendant]

that's what I mean ;P

[outer lily]

oh lol

[carmine smelt]

I fail this boss 2/3 the time

[glass pendant]

I've failed that boss 11/12 times a little too often

[carmine smelt]

Except unstable core, 100% fail. This item sucks ass to roll

[fallen iron]

technically slightly less than 2/3 right? critical slams and all 😉

[glass pendant]

8 bricked nihilis in a row last season 💔

Almost maxrolled too

800 aberroths

[carmine smelt]

Well perhaps if sample size was large enough. I hit my 77 boots first try but they aren't as bad as unstable core to roll

[glass pendant]

Razors are also very slippery when they see Dex

[median perch]

@primal abyss I'm losing my resolution settings after returning to the login screen. Is there any info on when this will be fixed? I see many others are experiencing the same issue... It's very annoying

[primal abyss]

I have a random question, hear me out - what resolution are you playing at normally?

[glass pendant]

This smells like the beginning of a tech support conversation

[carmine smelt]

Inb4 800x600 or whatever for maximum optimal frames

[outer lily]

Yesterday I made a Transcriber's Graver (2 LP) for my Judgement Paladin with an Exalted that had Melee Attack Speed, Increased Fire Damage, Fire Penetration, Minion Melee and Bow Damage.
Guess the second affix I rolled after guaranteeing Attack Speed 🙂

[glass pendant]

I can't see a universe where kuden doesn't blast with a 3 screen setup and a 50 button mouse

[glass pendant]

I bricked perfect 3lp lirakas 💔 130% multi 15% endurance

[primal abyss]

We all know I can't give that kinda of help here but, I will humbly request that you submit your info to our tech team. Ideally an in-game report

[carmine smelt]

I'm still salty about my unusable 3lp unstable core

[outer lily]

I made a suggestion in #1210282176680169562 that tier 4 Julra should let you choose 2 affixes, what do you think?

[carmine smelt]

10 to 120 and 30 to 150 and 7 to 14 roll on same item, fun times

[main frigate]

lol thanks for lesson you taught.

[median perch]

I set the windowed to 1600x900, which I'm used to from playing D2, but after reaching the login screen, it maximizes the resolution, and I have to adjust it every time

[main frigate]

Ask which resolution back is quite smart

[glass pendant]

It's probably one of the worst ones up there with nihilis

[carmine smelt]

Personally I don't even like that 1LP guarantee completely disregards the LP level of the item. 2LP guarantee just kicks the can towards 3LPs having a 50/50 with everything else being guaranteed

[glass pendant]

Hydra bow too I guess

But less impactful

[main frigate]

it sounds very cool

[glass pendant]

I do like the 1lp guarantee in the sense that up to that point of the game it's not a headache to build. I like the "get the build going" safety cushion. and while yes it's strong for the rarer items, I think 25% brick on say red ring or ravs would suck

Season 1 ptsd

[primal abyss]

Alright. Thanks for letting me know. If you don't mind, contact support with this and as much info as possible. If you want to help them out in any process, try different resolutions and note if you had any luck in your ticket, etc. To help rule things out. I cannot give you a concrete resolution right here and now though but I really appreciate your patience.

[carmine smelt]

Current system heavily incentivizes the use of high LP level items which were previously very inaccessible to get a T7 one

[outer lily]

I personally feel like getting to the point where you have the Exalted item with the T7 mod and good mods with good rolls you want + the Unique with the good rolls and good LP is already painful enough.

[simple bison]

I've seen other reports of this happening when playing on windowed as well, it'll default back to borderless / fullscreen

[glass pendant]

I'd love to see numbers of % of the playerbase that pushes to that extent, it would be a very interesting metric

[carmine smelt]

Yeah for sure. I'm just saying it's created a large power plateau where you get a significant amount of power much earlier, but then the next step is made relatively further.

Before 1LP and 2LP were a lot closer

[glass pendant]

Better handling of purples could bridge that, alas t8s also suck

[outer lily]

Is it reasonable to assume that the most optimal gear to go for is 1 LP => 4 LP?
Since 2 and 3 just have too high brick potential

[median perch]

I’ve submitted bug reports several times, and I’ve seen many similar cases on the forum

[glass pendant]

Chasing 4lp is a very edge case thing. Items like peak, torch, jungle belt

It's not realistic

[carmine smelt]

Well. I guess all else equal yea. But some items you won't get a 4LP and 1LP is not the realistic limit of those items

[simple bison]

a lot of items will realistically cap out at 2-3 lp yeah

[rose barn]

love random disconnects

[outer lily]

So realistically you just keep repeating the target farm?

[carmine smelt]

Tell that to my 2x 4LP jungle belts, heh

[glass pendant]

Oh no those were the exceptions, I actually pulled a 4lp traitor this season 😭

[carmine smelt]

If 4LP is realistic for an item like Mad Alc Ladle, yeah I'll brute force a 4LP before wasting effort on a 3LP.

[glass pendant]

Last season I had a 3x t7 belt with cdr, no way I was gonna gamba a 3lp jungle

Brute forced it

[primal abyss]

Alrightly. I'd tell them the same thing, then. If you have already submitted the things - thank you. If these have already been shared on the forums and such, then know you aren't an odd ball case.
I don't have any other update regarding this but consider it reported.

[carmine smelt]

Thats the thing. If you have a slam you REALLY don't want to miss you don't have any option to like sacrifice a bunch of stuff or spend significantly more to avoid a bad outcome

If I could sacrifice a 3LP to block a bad outcome on another 3LP or something I might do that over farming a 4LP

[glass pendant]

Multiple 3lps even, I'll take it

[outer lily]

Perhaps I'll actually progress Corrupted maps this time to make those items instead of creating a new character and replaying campaign and letting my character rot at mid lv 80s 😆

[glass pendant]

The gear grind rabbit hole is a deep one

Not easy to get out

[carmine smelt]

Yea. I have a handful of 3LP ladles I probably won't bother to use. Not because I think they are too precious, but because the exalt base needed is too precious

[outer lily]

I've been spamming juiced cemeteries (shoutout) to grind levels because I was too scared to enter lv 100 maps with my lv 85 Paladin

[glass pendant]

It would be a great use of the imprint system to fuel bad rolls to increase odds not gonna lie

[carmine smelt]

Imagine if after the slam you could choose between keeping the legendary or keeping the exalt

[carmine smelt]

I believe juiced false temple is less rippy if that's your concern

[outer lily]

I meant I've been farming those in normal monos instead of entering empowered monos to grind levels 💀

[glass pendant]

Just make sure you don't take dungeon mobs because amber elementals will 360noscope you

Shrines or not

Until you get strong that is

[carmine smelt]

The xp penalty will be massive. I'd really try pushing to empowered and at least grabbing 9%+ xp blessing and doing some 100c farm

[outer lily]

yea that's what I did afterwards

[glass pendant]

Rush to empowered even if you're half naked it doesn't matter if you play softcore

Random deaths won't make it non worth it

Just brute force some exp and faction exp

Until purples start dropping

[outer lily]

I believe you said 200 Corruption is the sweet spot to start grinding Troves.
How scary is Shade of Orobyss to increase Corruption for HC?

[glass pendant]

shade is very scary in hardcore because there are some skills that scale comically fast for insane damage

[outer lily]

I was hoping I could just send for 200 Corruption at least

[carmine smelt]

300c is the sweet spot for xp and favor

[outer lily]

Thanks

Guess I will have to farm some gear in 100c first before pushign for 300c then

[glass pendant]

Saw a screenshot of a rogue getting hit for 6 digits by the meteor that shoves into the ground

Fun times

[outer lily]

wtf

[carmine smelt]

You can also kinda cheese shade with leap frog and never actually fight a high corr shade iirc?

At least to 300c or so i think higher it doesn't work because the 95% catch up 5% missing becomes less than the bonus or something

Idk maybe not, I forget

[outer lily]

It'd be my first empowered mono though, so no catchup

[carmine smelt]

Yeah I mean you boost one to 150, then you fight 100c shade in another timeline with some bonus, boost to 170

[outer lily]

Oh

[carmine smelt]

Reset 150 and catch up boost

I think, I forget if that still works

[glass pendant]

I genuinely don't have the nerves for hardcore

[outer lily]

Well first I need to finish campaign with my Abomination Necro, just reached chapter 9.
Then I'll see if I feel more confident 😄

[outer lily]

Just a matter of perspective, it's basically my default game mode lol

[glass pendant]

I guess I like loot a little too much lmao

I see people in d2 losing infinity and enigma to deaths

I could never

[outer lily]

Then you will hate that I also do SCF Offline 😆

[glass pendant]

No offline is the way to go actually

Don't gotta rely on server stability

[outer lily]

I chose it for performance reasons initially

[outer lily]

Exactly. I'm scarred by playing PoE2 with 11 FPS

[carmine smelt]

Same. I've made two hardcore character ever in LE. One got oneshot through like 1.6k ehp in level 40 campaign. Other one played like total coward and never died, got 100, rank 1 arena, Abby, etc. Then just let it rot in standard

[glass pendant]

That's definitely an option

Moving 1 pixel per business day

But I can't do that either

I'm very hyper 😭

Iirc that's exactly how that erasing strike guy pushed to 10k last season

Pixel perfect movement

[carmine smelt]

I mean it was still a 32 hour ish 1 to 100 SCF so not total snail but I think it's harder to do that now as Mage

[outer lily]

#📚┃off-topic message

I took a screenshot the other day because people said I was exaggerating 😆

[glass pendant]

That's genuinely very far from cowardly

Obviously not a speedrun but

For hardcore? Really zoomy

[carmine smelt]

Yeah but it was the 1.1 FC Mage

So quite strong

[outer lily]

I'm really hyped to try out many builds and push them all

[glass pendant]

How much success would current mage have

8k ward on lb isn't horrible

Can probably push it higher building tanky

[carmine smelt]

It's not even remotely close to as tanky

[glass pendant]

yeah can imagine

Funny how lich is the better mage right now, outside of the theme

[carmine smelt]

I farmed at 700c in HC on that mage comfortably

[outer lily]

Aren't the bosses the main issue?

Monolith bosses and Harbingers I mean

[carmine smelt]

And it's not so much the ward number, it's the DR and rate of ward generation

[glass pendant]

Outside of shade the scariest thing imo is the damage modifiers on some mobs like possessed ones

[glass pendant]

I was thinking more of the oneshot prevention tech, ward retention can be partially be solved by slower gameplay

But I'm a complete hardcore noob so I don't know what I'm talking about

[carmine smelt]

Imo not really. Once you know the fights they are predictable. The spike damage comes from maps and random enemies hitting you just a certain way when the stars align with a high roll and bad mods etc

[glass pendant]

I found the rebalancing patch really funny, like, ghost and necrotic shotgun dude nerfed

And then immortal eyes drastically buffed

[outer lily]

Just reaching act 9 with 14~24 resistances on my Necromancer is making me miss the free capped resistances I got by playing Paladin

[carmine smelt]

Like when I was farming the fire covenant enemy thing chunked me for 8k ward. That was with all my huge amount of ele DR. Iirc I was running orians eye too and prismatic gaze etc double RR 7k armor or something. That would have been like 15k hit on LB mage

[outer lily]

How do you even survive that? Even in videos with high end gear I haven't seen those eHP values.

[carmine smelt]

It was the layers I said

[outer lily]

ah

[carmine smelt]

That was closest to rip that character came

And out of nowhere too

Biggest risk to HC character imo is some randomly poorly balanced enemy with crazy damage numbers

[glass pendant]

What are those fire lizards called with the ground aoe

Not the barnacle ones

[carmine smelt]

The one that makes circles on being hit?

[glass pendant]

Yes 😭

Villains

[carmine smelt]

I forget but that was the bane of FC builds. It was per hit. And FC hitting up to 50 times per cast with the sparks

Meant not only could it rip you it also killed framerate

[glass pendant]

They delete umbrals in an instant

[outer lily]

(what does FC stand for 👀)

[carmine smelt]

I'd just leave map instantly if I saw them

[glass pendant]

Frost claw

[carmine smelt]

Lithrak

Smouldering lithrak

[glass pendant]

Too cool a name for those little devils

[honest belfry]

Come join the Cozy Stream! Vandryll is playing an Ice Age Primalist
https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1091515511797461102

[still cove]

Anybody else experiencing stuttering after patch?

[cerulean raven]

major stuttering

[smoky falcon]

Stuttering in what way?

[cerulean raven]

All the enemies, forge weapons, any time i evade, its all like a slideshow, but its not lag

[smoky falcon]

If you get a chance can I get you to submit an in game bug report? Want to take a look at your logs as I'm not seeing the same.

[cerulean raven]

Now that I've loaded into another zone it's gone, so i dunno

[still cove]

Im verifying integrity of game files to see if that works

[lyric cargo]

2k corruption and Uber done, time to focus on slams because almost all of my 2lp have failed so far

[pastel summit]

My buddy had long load times last night, but he figured out that was due to comcast sucking.

[outer lily]

Necromancer is kinda starting to feel not so great anymore (chapter 9, just beat Majasa) because Bone Golem keeps getting stuck in corridors, and my army is strutting 10 km behind me consistently 😆

[dense snow]

Are you playing with their behavior aggressive or defensive? 🤔
Sounds like they are aggressive so you could try defensive and they should stay near you then

[outer lily]

I tried both, but I still have to keep waiting for them

[glass pendant]

I stopped playing bear due to the weird ai personally. It felt like regardless of minion stance, the bear would run laps around the enemies before taking action

[outer lily]

Main issue is definitely Bone Golem though. Something is definitely wrong with that guy's AI.
He also often stops and does nothing until I manually press comand minion or resummon it.
Gets stuck in corridors, sometimes gets stuck preparing for the charge and does nothing or lags behind.

[dense snow]

Hmm I guess it is what it is then 😬
There is an experimental mod that ports minions with you on traversal skill. That might help but not a great solution I guess

I agree that bear felt weird while mapping but squirrels for example was just fine 🤷🏻‍♂️
And I think I had them aggressive all the time

[steep river]

You can tap the minion attack command button, A key by default or if playing WASD then it's number 2 key by default, to direct the minions. For example as you move forward if they're not keeping up you can tap A with the cursor in front of you. This key can also be changed in Settings -> Gameplay section -> Change input keys.

It's also helpful if you want your minions to chase after a Loot Lizard

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/414295382625878037/1409194266609324124/image.png?ex=68ac7dee&is=68ab2c6e&hm=2c71ddd77fc8f5be318a0321dbff5cb56f56ce25aaec99075015c8cff24429ee&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[outer lily]

Yes, that's what I've been doing

[steep river]

That and getting a "X Minions teleported around you after you use a Traversal Skill" affix on Boots or Ring can help

Experimental affix on Boots https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AGwdgnEA
Infernal Champion's affix on Ring https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AOwNgnEA

You can always swap out the item if you don't want Minions teleporting on certain boss fights

[pastel summit]

Bone golem getting jammed? Hm.

I'm guessing because he's the 3rd largest summon.

[outer lily]

Necromancer made me want to pivot to a zoom zoom build. Any suggestions?
Ideally inherent MS and go pew pew fast.

[sick flicker]

When I play with someone that is 10 level lower than me, do they still get according to their level experience etc?

for example me lv74 and him lv62

[willow sentinel]

Smth smth falcon

[median perch]

Change mastery to Lich, she run too fast now

Or Rouge, this class jump all times

[outer lily]

How do Reflect builds not die when their build relies on facetanking and reflecting damage numbers that one shot you?

What am I missing? 😄

[thorn bane]

dont get 1 shot by building defensive layers

[outer lily]

How much will defensive layers help you against uber?

[thorn bane]

a lot

[willow sentinel]

The new primordial armor requires mobs to look at you

Not hit you

[outer lily]

Thicket of Blinding Light?

[willow sentinel]

Yup

[outer lily]

So you're not facetanking mechanics?

[willow sentinel]

Nope

[outer lily]

Alright, thank you

[willow sentinel]

Stuff look at you, they die

[outer lily]

Is that viable?

[thorn bane]

uber has already been killed by reflect builds so yes

[willow sentinel]

It can do 2k corruption, kill Uber

I don't know what is your definition of viable

[outer lily]

Can it get there comfortably?

[willow sentinel]

Very much so

[outer lily]

So it's not a "this is a niche meme that someone managed to make work with tons of investment"?

[willow sentinel]

If you don't mind grinding weavers 1x1 idols you can even do CoF

[willow sentinel]

Nope

It's op af

[outer lily]

Sold

[willow sentinel]

Shaman is probably the best

Druid is more zoomy

[thorn bane]

walking simulator at its finest

[glacial crow]

Glad they're updating game still but why no fix for invisible enemies?

[outer lily]

From waiting (for my minions to catch up) simulator to walking simulator.

Pro gaming.

[willow sentinel]

Probably because they haven't found the bug/fix

[thorn bane]

yea i cant stand minions, i prob wouldnt like reflect either. still thinking of trying it just to give it a shot. it just sounds so boring

[willow sentinel]

It does sound really boring

[outer lily]

I don't mind boring, I want effective

😆

[willow sentinel]

😴💤💤

[outer lily]

Time to roll a Primalist I guess

[willow sentinel]

Buy the armor first, and when you are lvl 30 smth you won gg

[outer lily]

Aren't the shield and amulet necessary too?

[willow sentinel]

You don't need to turn into a Spriggan at first really

All the way through the campaign and early Monos

[coarse swallow]

If a lower level player is in a much higher level area, they gain experience from slaying enemies as if the area was up to 10 levels higher than their character. For example, a level 20 character in a level 40 area would gain experience as if the area was level 30.

When playing together with other players and there are big level differences, the previous 10 level difference can go down to a minimum of 2, based on the level difference between the characters. For example, if a level 10 character and a level 70 character were playing together in a level 40 area, the level 10 character would gain experience as if the area was level 12, and the level 70 will gain experience from level 40 area as normal.

You're 12 levels above them, so the 10 level variance between them and the zone is reduced by 8 (to the minimum value of 2) That means they will gain experience up to a zone level of level 64. Any zone level above level 64 will grant them experience as if it was level 64.

If you run into these kinds of questions, also check the in-game guide with the "G" hotkey!

[sick flicker]

Ahh okay, thank you!

[silk wolf]

Have a planner for reflect shaman?

[willow sentinel]

Maxroll

Or smwh in #🐺┃primalist

[glass pendant]

Did they find a way to make reflect kill fast yet

I wanna see a non jank Uber kill

[stray vector]

patch broke minion and mob movement, they stutter all over the place 😐

[inner finch]

Survival of the fittest, what can i say

[lost garden]

guys, I am trying to do the main quest. "find the scale bane guildeaders hide out" .. but they both are closed.. and the 3rd one is only for treasure box

"Maj Elka Slums" 3 total.. 2 of them are not open

nvm I have to reload the map to open the slum

[quartz fern]

for minion stutter fix-recheck steam files and will be fix 👍

[main frigate]

Do be a CM is the first job you find in game industry?
Why are you want to be a CM?
What stuff in jobs of CM make you happy the most and sad the most?

I believe something about principle you're following which formed by long-term work 🤔

[coarse swallow]

Do be a CM is the first job you find in game industry?

Not including temporary/testing positions, yes, Community Management was the first role I sought out in the game industry. Previously I was a team lead in a LAMP stack development company.

Why are you want to be a CM?

I've served many customer service roles from low to high level, public and private, so my experience makes a good fit for many technical skills. Bigger though was that I'm a huge ARPG fan. I was involved in the community since kickstarter, and was one of the first community moderators. While having that close contact as a moderator, I liked the team, and decided I wanted to join them and support Last Epoch more directly with my skills.

What stuff in jobs of CM make you happy the most and sad the most?

What makes the happy the most would be seeing players having fun. Finding references, sharing easter eggs, talking builds. I love to see players love the game as I, and the rest of the team do.

Conversely, what makes me sad the most is seeing players upset. As mentioned, I/we always want players to be happy, and so when issues arise it's sad to see. Particularly so when they require a fair investigation, and we don't have much information to communicate beyond "we're working on it." Though a close tie is when I have to implement a ban. I really don't enjoy implementing bans, as it's removing someone from the community, and would rather they not be needed. But, that's not such a reality unfortunately.

[turbid silo]

Couldn't agree more on seeing players upset.

I always want players to be happy 🙂

[main frigate]

It's off topic... Lamp stack... It mean... You have learnt how to code and how to build liuix on a pc?

[main frigate]

There's a way. Talk about food with them :)

At least... It work for me lol

[coarse swallow]

Yup. My team in particular specialized in API development and MySQL Optimization.

[main frigate]

This job (CM of le) is designed for you indeed.

[coarse swallow]

Haha, I'm glad you think so. I do enjoy it here, and I hope you all enjoy (or at least tolerate) me here as well

[south moat]

CM is hard work.
I wouldn't do that or relevant things again

[simple bison]

Customer facing jobs can be pretty fulfilling in my experience tbh. I'd say I've overall enjoyed the ones I've worked in

[coarse swallow]

It is, but also rewarding. Like any job, there's going to be good and bad, if there wasn't any bad it wouldn't be called a job. Seeing player's excitement going over blog posts, getting ready for the patch, it comes with fun and enjoyment as well.

[main frigate]

I just enjoy art facing jobs

[south moat]

Was a secretary at a hospital for almost 2 years. Sure, most of that was in an area where I didn't need to deal with patients and I loved that part
But when I actually had to deal with patients?

[simple bison]

I worked in a jewelry store where we mostly sold watches and sunglasses and it was pretty chill overall, you got to chat about watches which is something I enjoy. Obviously you can get frustrating customers but it was honestly few and far between them

[coarse swallow]

I have a lot of respect for health care workers. From my family involved in it, a lot of individuals you deal with, by the fact they're there really, aren't completely themselves. It can be rough.

[simple bison]

Yeah health care is prob a whole other level since people care way more about their health than some watch or glasses

[south moat]

Health care is its own thing
It's interesting, realy.

[coarse swallow]

But, I should obey our own rules. So if we want to continue this, we'll need to move to #📚┃off-topic

[south moat]

You're right, obviously

[main frigate]

Another way: Play burning dagger marksman and share your opinions about this build after your marksman is lv 95

Plus. no dev tools are allowed.

[south moat]

Smh imagine wanting players to be happy?
I thought games were about suffering
The progress
ah, I guess wrong genre

[willow sentinel]

The vision tm

[simple bison]

The vision

[south moat]

They can't use dev tools on actual servers, only on the dev side

[main frigate]

yes but EHG members mean they can access dev tools freely if they want 🤔

[coarse swallow]

Yup, no fiddling with live game server data and servers.

[simple bison]

I don't think LE has as strong a "vision" as Poe honestly. Which isn't to say it doesn't have a vision in general but it's felt a lot more malleable by the community in comparison imo, which I highly prefer

[south moat]

They can't

Believe me they can't

They can't just make a lvl 100 character with perfect items on a live server

[coarse swallow]

If we could, why would our cozy-stream characters be a rags to slightly better rags story? =p

[honest belfry]

I am sitting RIGHT HERE

[south moat]

To sell that you don't have access to it

[simple bison]

Lel

Not gonna lie sometimes when I watch the cozy streams I think to myself man this is such a dev build lmao

Like it's the type of build you'd see in a trailer

Aka you'd never see it in normal play by a player who's played an extended amount of time

[coarse swallow]

That's because we make the builds for the trailers, so... the connection is there, just in the opposite direction, haha.

[honest belfry]

Honestly though, when it's me streaming, it's a build I found in the community.
Kain just knows what he's doing

[simple bison]

I guess it can reflect the average player better

[coarse swallow]

That's the goal, yup.

[south moat]

I do kinda wonder what an avarege player build looks like tbh

[simple bison]

This discord has less than a tenth of the community after all. Which I assume is close to the amount of people who even get to empowered

And pretty much anything will work for before empowered lol

So for the vast majority of people I guess almost any combination of skills would technically be able to do the content they're reaching

Just pick whatever seems cool and roll with it

Oh wait I guess empowered is higher than 10% now iirc (which I'm shocked by). Point still stands though

[main frigate]

Cool, want to know when Derrick stream on the cozy one with burning dagger marksman

[final roost]

Dear EHG
Whoever created the Primeval Dragon. Understand i will find you, and you will feel the pain it has consistently caused me.

Sincerely,
The guy that hates primeval dragons.

[simple bison]

Damn lol

[final roost]

Brother 4 strifes in a row from off screen

😭😭😭😭

[main frigate]

Primeval Dragon? I hate the roar so much

[simple bison]

Probably a joke but please make that clear lol

[final roost]

Oh I'm harmless. I love ehg

[simple bison]

We all have that one mob 🫂

[final roost]

I hate the dragon doe

[coarse swallow]

It's hard to put into words what makes an "average joe" build. If I had to try to put it into a word, it would be "linear". For an average build, it's very rare for a mechanic to be utilized in two directions, For example, Attunement in an average joe build would be seen for mana, and ability scaling. An average joe build doesn't take it multiple degrees and see attunement as mana as health as mana as endurance layering.

[simple bison]

Average Joe's brain would melt if he saw what I get from dex on my build

[glass pendant]

(when I found out about the lavos easter egg my brain exploded)

[ember mist]

I keep getting an LE -77 error saying my client is out of date for online play. I've tried restarting steam and my pc and im still getting it. any one have any ideas?

[coarse swallow]

Try verifying the game files.

[final roost]

It's hard to account for the effects of certain stats in layered ways for most "average" joes

[glass pendant]

I thought all primalist says is grunts

[coarse swallow]

We translated it

[final roost]

Its super straight forward in LE

But going to D4,D3,PoE or Grimdawn its much harder

D2 rings especially true

Runewords 😭

Im old

[glass pendant]

I find runewords way more straightforward than LE scaling personally

[final roost]

Thats because you have google

[coarse swallow]

Been playing diablo for 30 years or so. Still don't have the rune tiering memorized.

[glass pendant]

I've been playing both games for a quad digit of hours

LE in the early quads admittedly

[final roost]

I was 13 when diablo 2 released and we had nothing to read for runewords

It hurt my brain

[glass pendant]

But half of what you find on "google" will barely dig under the hood

Now if we're talking discord, that changes

[coarse swallow]

Oh yea, runewords were the hot trade item at school. Trade parts of your lunch for info on a discovered runeword.

[simple bison]

All i have memorized for LE is that a 0lpl item at area level 100 and 0 corruption with no CoF has a 39.68% chance to get 1lp and 36% chance to get 0lp

Graphing it out etched it in

[final roost]

LOL I traded a stack of pogs for a trangs piece

[glass pendant]

Yeah, the complexity of runewords was simply just finding them. D2 affixes are a little too clear in their almost entirety

[simple bison]

If you guys ever change the core lp function someone's getting haunted ❤️

[glass pendant]

To this day, nothing has beaten LE's "your fur is now white"

[ember mist]

ty, verifying files worked 😄

[glass pendant]

thank the primalist wisdom

[inner finch]

We need more stickers for common problem solving

[slim delta]

It looks like we won't be seeing any fixes for Corrupted Form and Aura of Decay flicks this season. Sadly.

[lost garden]

is it just me or graphics in chapter 10 are much better than any chapter in the game

is it because its relatively a new chapter

[south moat]

It is because it's much newer

[winter mauve]

Damn le on ps

[glacial rune]

sneaky teaser ive gotta say

[winter mauve]

No wayy expansion

[errant verge]

What

Expansion?

[fading hazel]

LE on State of Play jumpscared me

[robust pendant]

PS5？？nice

[sonic warren]

?????

[shadow arrow]

WHAT????

[river stag]

Just got announced at the State of Play

[paper field]

expansion??

[pearl orbit]

PS5

pog

[river stag]

PS5 port and first expansion

[errant verge]

Yeah I know I’m watching lol

[cosmic juniper]

expansoin?

[winter mauve]

Orobyss

[boreal wing]

hope there is crossplay

[shadow arrow]

The port will.come with the expamsiom

[errant verge]

What does expansion mean lol

[mental tinsel]

WHAT NEW EXPANSION??!

[boreal wing]

and frame gen

[soft timber]

What a way to announce it

[stable forum]

yo what?

[shadow arrow]

OK I JUST GOT JUMPSCARED

[sonic warren]

what a weird way to see the announcement

[cosmic juniper]

when can we have news?

[inner finch]

New EHG logo?

[toxic harbor]

Soon™

[errant verge]

Soon!

[opal jacinth]

I assume Expansion means money?

[tepid owl]

dlcs incoming?

[chrome monolith]

is it going to include the promised necromancer rework?

[errant verge]

Yeah it’s probably paid? I wonder how this interacts with seasons and patches

[inner finch]

PS5 release patch will surely include the much needed Falconer buffs

[errant verge]

So many questions

[shadow arrow]

yes, but the game is kinda cheap, so the expansion will be kinda cheaper, i guess?

[lunar wharf]

Krafton in instant money grab

[errant verge]

Maybe bladedancer and spellblade boosts

[mental tinsel]

what was thjis random announcement tho

[heady night]

I got goosebumps

[viscid harness]

OFC WHEN I GET A GAME IT MAGICALLY COMES TO PS A WEEK LATER

[mental phoenix]

for real where is there post or news on this now

[chrome monolith]

I guess that explains why this season was so lackluster

[shadow arrow]

No one leaked that wtf

[last crane]

What is that expansion????

[errant verge]

I wonder if it means new masteries

[shadow arrow]

I think we will have the story completed or.will be completed before the expansion

[errant verge]

Or more pinnacle content

So many questions

[deft oriole]

It's probably a tiny announcement because they don't have anything to show on the new expansion. Tencent probably ordered them to make an expansion and announced it way too early

[chrome monolith]

krafton

[deft oriole]

Same diff, I suppose

[simple bison]

Is it just ps or xbox too?

[deft oriole]

No chance it'd only come to PS

[chrome monolith]

by the way, krafton had to legally walk back their claims about the subnuatica devs, things arent looking bright

[sonic warren]

expansion before having all chapters of the story lol

[stray vector]

can someone explain what just happened?

where do you see this?

[simple bison]

LE announced on playstation

[shadow arrow]

Le dlc jumpscare

[simple bison]

State of play livestream

[rain mason]

you can always not buy if you’re gonna cry about it

[simple bison]

Also the "first major expansion". We don't know if it's actually gonna be paid or not

could just be like path of exile expansions

aka just a bigger update that expands on the endgame

[shadow arrow]

By major expansion i think it will be. Or paid early access

[deft oriole]

POE is exclusively F2P. Considering this is Krafton, i'd expect a paid expansion

[inner finch]

... but there's still 2 story chapters...

[lunar wharf]

since it isn't listed as a DLC by now there is still hope

[shadow arrow]

Poe made a paid early access of an expansion

Not poe 2. A poe 1 dlc

My.guess is that it will be paid but nothing crazy

[wind sierra]

Maybe in the last dev stream Mike was teasing this expansion

[rain mason]

can only wait for announcement

[last crane]

A paid dlc would never work, i cant imagine they would do something like tah

[pearl orbit]

Paid isn't an issue, grim dawn does that. If paid, the only question is if the value is there or not.

[deft oriole]

How would it not work?

[errant verge]

It’s not that it would never work - just depends if it’s made with goodwill or not

Hard to know with new management

[pearl orbit]

$35 makes this already way cheaper than poe (tabs are 60+) and d4. so... still a deal

d4 does paid too

[reef dock]

bruh that 2lp event horizon slam in the trailer was criminal

been trying to get one of those forever lol

[brave oasis]

so the expansion might finish the campaign?

[fair egret]

Well done lads

[fathom umbra]

PS5 now, ay

[austere totem]

so they're rereleasing orobyss?

[arctic crescent]

what the heck do they mean by "first major expansion" werent the 3 previous leagues major expansions

[onyx dune]

I got the first emoji on the announcement motherfuckers

Go canada!!!!

[silk trench]

This might be a massive W, lets see

[arctic crescent]

also hopefully we get a rework of endgame 🙏

[vague igloo]

So just as it was with countless ARPGs before that's the reason for the slow content updates. Consoles 🙁

[calm zodiac]

Where can i buy the expansion

[tidal heart]

Very smart move with console. They cooked with that trailer. Very good sales pitch for new players

[low cradle]

So I still don't know if orobyss is a bad guy or not?

[magic plinth]

do we know if it's a paid expansion?

[silk trench]

no

[forest gyro]

why was my 🤡 reaction removed from the reaction to the ps5 announcement??????????? what is this censorship?

[calm zodiac]

No, i wanna buy it anyway

[brave oasis]

this trailer is just an announcement of an announcement, no detail or substance for the expansion lol

[magic plinth]

okay lowk hoping it's not paid dlc lol

[silk trench]

if its paid they lost already

[warm gull]

because they don't want it correctly pointed out that nobody here cares

[calm zodiac]

I hope its paid dlc

[magic plinth]

i could see a lot of people buying it if it's actually unique content but

[fair egret]

Last epoch orobouros

[silk trench]

the game is already heavily critiqued due to recent changes, now imagine they release a paid PS5 game together with a paid DLC

[true elk]

so like paid expansion or just a fancy name for the next major update?

[silk trench]

doomed

[tidal heart]

Same and there are some banger cosmetics

[fallow sleet]

Uh, you know, some idea of whether the expansion is paid or not would have been nice.

[misty jacinth]

Kinda weird to announce an expansion in this way with 0 information about the expansion

[proper igloo]

oh my lord the soundtrack of the trailer is so good

[inner finch]

We still don't know the PS5 launch window, we don't know if its a season 4 plan, a season 5 plan or maybe even later

[burnt lodge]

kinda ballsy to announce paid dlc when the base game still isnt done, barely any endgame lul

[silk trench]

1ooo%

[brave oasis]

Krafton will want money it's defs a paid expansion imo

[gilded lintel]

Yes, because how dare devs need money to survive and need to make a profit /s

[silk trench]

they are just trying to keep the hype up

[magic plinth]

do you know if it's paid dlc?

[fair egret]

I haven't even gotten to the end of the rift beast expansion lol

[forest gyro]

the game costs and cosmetics cost as well, this is paid & microtransactions, that's their business model

[silk trench]

Brother, them releasing on PS makes them insane money already. No need to make a DLC paid as well. Nobody gonna spend 60 bucks on an Indie Game

[burnt lodge]

i also need money, why dont you send it to me for free

[low cradle]

So from the trailer

[magic plinth]

youre not providing anything in return like ehg are 😭

[calm zodiac]

Dude, game isn't even full priced, if they release some 20-30$ dlc none of yall are getting more poor due to it lol

[errant verge]

They just sold the entire company lol

[low cradle]

I assume oroboyss is lawful good villain?

[wooden aurora]

I already got my money's worth for the game so I dont mind too much, but if this is a paid expansion its gonna be hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

[burnt lodge]

ehg still hasnt provided actual endgmae

[arctic crescent]

but like. What would a 20-30$ dlc even contain

[silk trench]

Indie Game for 60 bucks lmao

[steep wraith]

It will 100% be a paid dlc

[fallow sleet]

I mean whether or not I'll buy into the expansion depends on how much it costs and what's in it, obviously lol

[low cradle]

just from how mad he seems, but hes still being him and just obeying rules

[fallow sleet]

But this vagueness is something I don't like.

[silk trench]

If I have to spend 60 bucks on an indie game with no endgame, its insanity

[dark holly]

New owners, new paid content! Nice.

[calm zodiac]

Maybe 1-2 new classes, 1-2 new acts in the campaign, endgame upgrades

[magic plinth]

theyre providing software to you for a price, youre just asking for free money

[low cradle]

is it paid expansion confimed ?

[wooden aurora]

Don't know yet

[burnt lodge]

yes and im criticizing it because its just a cashgrab for nothing

[quartz socket]

Nice bait

You can learn more about Last Epoch: Orobyss and the PlayStation 5 release by checking out our post over on PlayStation’s Blog.
Went to blog
We don’t want to spoil anything just yet

[fallow sleet]

What on earth does this guy even mean "no endgame"?

[arctic crescent]

endgame upgrades would be pretty strange if it wasnt included for non-dlc players right

[mortal cosmos]

Isn’t the base game campaign not over yet?

[dark holly]

Don’t know yet but you can bet on it.

[steep wraith]

Would be called a season otherwise

[errant verge]

Yeah it’s tough optics if the first paid expansion is after new ownership gotta recoup the buy costs

[silk trench]

yeah, common EHG L

[magic plinth]

you dont even know what the expansion will be

[thin turret]

xbox????? we really doing this???

[candid vigil]

Is that paid expansion ?

[burnt lodge]

i know what the current state of the game is

[tidal heart]

The game is $30, Poe charges for stash tabs every player basically needs if they serious about the game, it’s other competitor d4 charges an arm and a leg for everything and then small competitors like grim dawn charge for dlc. Idk why everyone though a $30 one time fee paid for the next 10 years of content

[calm zodiac]

Not really, diablo doesn't really include DLC content for non payers

[errant verge]

This was tilting- lol thanks for farming clicks

[calm zodiac]

So no

[dark holly]

EHG is gone there is only Krafton now

[autumn sapphire]

They’d finally include endgame

[silk trench]

PoE actually has content, thats the difference

[fallow sleet]

Is there... Anything wrong with the current state of the game?

[meager ingot]

Diablo is dogshit tho

[arctic crescent]

and that's a good reason why diablo sucks :omegalul:

[silk trench]

A LOT

[steep wraith]

No it does not

[burnt lodge]

game is not even in a functional base state and alrdy expansion lule

[low cradle]

People referrred to tombs of the erased as an expansion

[fallow sleet]

Like?

[calm zodiac]

It is dogshit

[dark holly]

No not really

[low cradle]

Expansion may be being used like poe here

[burnt lodge]

no endgame is whats wrong

[thin turret]

Is there a reason behind excluding Xbox?

[hybrid wagon]

Well I know I'm excited

[calm zodiac]

No its not, diablo 4 sucks for a whole hell of other reasons.

[dark holly]

Xbox is dead

[magic plinth]

people put a ton of time into the game and wonder why there's no more content

[fleet anvil]

does ps5 mean we are getting achievments on steam now

[errant verge]

Also insanely buggy

[fallow sleet]

What do people mean when they say "no endgame"?

[wooden aurora]

People claimed this is gonna be a serious PoE competitor

[low cradle]

mid itemization/scaling as well, but that's a much deeper toxic topic

[silk trench]

Immortal Supporter detected opinion rejected

[dark holly]

Even Costco dropped Xbox. They’re done.

[silk trench]

lmao

[steep wraith]

Already is better than poe

[silent sonnet]

So PlayStation will get the game and expansion for one price and steam players who have been here the whole time will pay again for an expansion?

[inner finch]

The more content comes out, the more chances i get to see Falconer buffs, so im ok with content

[glacial crow]

why are people upset about expansion? the game is 30 bucks lmao

[meager ingot]

Isnt that just the fifa ones lol

[tidal heart]

Poe 1 you mean and it’s had years to knock out seasons. Poe my main game but even Poe 2 cost $30 right now and you still need stash tabs for that game specific

[arctic crescent]

the endgame is not exactly fun. Same problem that poe2 has, too much pointless traveling towards content instead of constant stream of content

[errant verge]

I like it more because I can play offline but that’s the only binding criteria

[wooden aurora]

Nice xd opinion mate, get a better one

[jade oxide]

contracts and exclusivity deals i guess

[turbid silo]

We have nothing to announce at this time for other consoles. As always, we hear the demand for more platforms. We're excited that we're able to bring Eterra to PS5.

[calm zodiac]

Same, i also hope its a paid DLC, this way theres more incentive to actually release meaningful content

[fading hazel]

Where are you getting that from? We don't know anything about pricing yet

[burnt lodge]

like without datamining imprints there wouldnt even be a reliable way to farm good exalteds apart from spamming prophecies

[steep wraith]

It's a fact.

[viscid quartz]

wait does that mean that 0.4 is on the horizon ?

[silent sonnet]

Microsoft owns Diablo

[low cradle]

Are we sitll defending primordial uniques or everyone in agreence they were a bad idea finally?

[last sandal]

expansion is awesome

[dark holly]

No Costco announced they’re dropping Xbox after the increase in price to $650.

[arctic crescent]

endgame is 100% the weakest part of this game rn. Hoping for new ideas

[primal island]

what is orobyss expansion?

[glacial crow]

@low cradle theyre amazing tf u talking about

[meager ingot]

Oooooff

[low cradle]

Dear stupid. We're talking about game health when we say they were a bad idea. Not talking about power

[steep wraith]

Ow

[dark holly]

It was always the case they were going to add more with each season, as they’ve been doing. Now it’s just going to cost money.

[burnt lodge]

like the base game is great but its lacking so much content and mechanicms

[meager ingot]

Ow my xbones kek

[hybrid wagon]

thats alright dude, you can have an opinion too :)

[glacial crow]

@low cradle

[calm zodiac]

Orobyss had too much mcdonalds, and got expanded like an american

[fathom umbra]

Orobyss Expansion.... are we getting new campaign soon???

[dark holly]

lmao

[fallow sleet]

I don't understand. We have an endless grind in the monolith? How is that different from the endless grind in maps?

[meager ingot]

Do we know its or are people assooming lol

[fathom umbra]

Or... Season 4 info??

[tidal heart]

Need more meta shift also.

[signal mica]

No Xbox?

Wow

[fresh birch]

RIP Xbox Crew

[glacial crow]

other than reflect chest i see no problem w them as long as old uniques get buffed and / or new uniques added... @low cradle ??

[meager ingot]

Know if it's paid*

[calm zodiac]

Its not different from mapping, or doing rifts in diablo, but ppl like to complain i guess

[loud fable]

All of you here that are practically saying "paying for someone's work is bad (that I get dozens/hundreds of hours of enjoyment)" are...man. This level of ignorance is inexcusable if you're above the age of 10. It's even worse than outright screaming insults.

EHG, great direction. Every reasonable person will happily pay if the content looks good 👍

I bought all the boxes, MTX, and I'll keep supporting as I feel the game is going in the right direction, and there's nothing to show me otherwise, at least as of now.

[turbid silo]

I will repeat what I replied to another person earlier with: We have nothing to announce at this time for other consoles. As always, we hear the demand for more platforms.

[glass pendant]

Yooooo what is this jebait trailer lemme see orobyss' ugly face 😭

EHG stop teasing me like this

[errant verge]

“Coming weeks”

[jade oxide]

most likely scenario is that they're renaming seasons to expansions

[low cradle]

So than we will keep reaching a new buffed meta unique type ever season till there are so many we have a "One of unique" in every slot?

[glacial crow]

xbox is dead dont even bother EHG

[wooden aurora]

It's honestly a very baffling decision to announce an expansion without saying if its paid, I was 100% sure they'll have an answer ready at least here. but xd i guess

[fathom umbra]

Tune in next year for when they rename expansions to something else. "saga"

[dark holly]

This

[opal jacinth]

I thought it said "first expansion"

[hearty wedge]

Isn’t his face on the trailer and announcement

[fallow sleet]

I mean what I don't understand is why are the complainers even here? If there are games they like better than this one why aren't they playing those?

[wooden bear]

expansion is clearly worded different from season. Was a fun ride ya'll

[loud fable]

Was a fun ride (EHG still selling mad copies of LE) (LE's numbers are doing just fine)

[glacial crow]

@low cradle good uniques are far better wayt to acquire loot than the slot machine exalteds meta. many builds still use exalts. if u dont like full unique setup play a build that doesnt use it

@low cradle you make no sense

[low cradle]

oh so its purely aquisition

[errant verge]

I think they meant for themselves lol

[low cradle]

People don't care about that

[meager ingot]

People are just assuming it's paid when PoE also calls every third or fouth patch an expansion

[low cradle]

It's the absurd power level

[fallow sleet]

Shhh, let him leave if he wants to.

[serene parcel]

so, question - LE going to PS5, and that's the "expansion"?

[glass pendant]

Am I drunk, in what particular frame do we see it.. this is just a summary of the systems already existing ingame as a "playstation trailer"

[wooden aurora]

They could say otherwise, they choose not to.

[dark holly]

EHG’s entire original draw with early access and release was an independent studio with a one time buy, but post acquisition that’s clearly gone.

[calm zodiac]

I mean, to be fair, theres a hell of a lot more ppl playing POE2 rn, but thats because EHG had the genuious idea to release their season a week before, that said, i do hope they time this expansion well, and if its paid, i hope they release presales soon

[glass pendant]

I think we catch a singular frame of his silhouette and that's it lol

[hearty wedge]

The giant face with the purple eye

[loud fable]

Realistically, nobody cares about paying $20-30 for an expansion. If the content's good, everyone, even in the poorest of the poorest of countries, can afford it.

It will absolutely be paid. No problem with that.

[meager ingot]

It's the default :v

[glacial crow]

@low cradle you say that yyet first 3 weeks of season only 3 players killed uber abby. what is this absurd power? some builds are overpowered and need to be balanced better. reflect chestt is completely OP. doesnt mean the system is abd

[grave kayak]

Who the hell male pregnant emoji reacted to the ps5 news lmaooo

[glacial crow]

bad*

[fallow sleet]

More people are playing the mainstream game? Big shocker.

[dark holly]

We’re pregnant…. With the next big idea

[turbid silo]

Existing

[loud fable]

Yes, I'm a bit disappointed myself but oh well. Last I heard, the world doesn't end tomorrow (???), so, I guess we'll see in 2 weeks 😛

[meager ingot]

There's no way unless the base game + expansion becomes the new default purchase

[night marten]

The trailer thumbnail thing has an outline of something that looks kinda new and at the veeeeery end there is an outline. But there isnt much to go on

[fathom umbra]

Let's all jump to conclusions and assume we know ALL the details right now, like how it'll be a Paid expansion....

good lord people

[loud fable]

Which it absolutely, obviously will.

...like, why is that even a question?

[dark holly]

It absolutely will lmao

[meager ingot]

Idk

[lunar wharf]

You start caring if you support them with supporter packs in the assumption their won't be further general cost. The whole point of supporter packs is funding development.

[glass pendant]

Yeah I wanted something more solid gotta wait I guess 😭

[calm zodiac]

Hopefully it is paid.

[loud fable]

Think about an issue for more than 5s challenge

[dark holly]

Also speculating is fun

[jade oxide]

general chat is just a circus atm, i'm just going to play other games until we get more info on what they're trying to do now especially with krafton being a part of le going forward

[meager ingot]

Fracturing the playerbase can be such a nuke to a game

[glass pendant]

My soul can't handle the teasing 💔

[arctic crescent]

I hear we're finally getting to fight Mephisto in this next expansion

[fallow sleet]

It's not unreasonable to assume it's going to be a paid expansion, but also I don't see a problem with that in and of itself.

[night marten]

Yup. Suffer.

[fathom umbra]

"Lemme shell out money for MTX"
"Wahhh i gotta pay for new content?!" Wahhhh"
smh

[signal mica]

No way they release it on console with a paid expansion lol I imagine this will just increase base game price to w.e it is nowadays, probably like 80$ Canadian for me

[low cradle]

that's because there were massive bugs and monster buffs for the first 2.5 weeks XD

[grave fox]

babe wake up new orobyss silhouette has dropped on the yt's thumbnail

[wooden aurora]

Holy the shills are being paid extra today

[arctic crescent]

hey big dawg can we get some info I know the mods have insider access

[brave grove]

a paid expansion when they've still not finished the campaign is a bit cheeky
-# translator's note: "a bit cheeky" is an understatement for comedic effect

[glacial crow]

u guys really expected to playy a 30 dollar game forever for free? that does updates every 3 months?

[loud fable]

I can promise you, very few people think like that. It's simply a "selfish" consideration for most - is it worth it to me? If so, they buy. Nothing more, nothing less.

[split solstice]

lol i changed my GFX settings and crashed my game so hard i had to reboot my PC

[outer wadi]

Last epog for Xbox pls

[glacial crow]

broke mofos really coming out today

[fathom umbra]

Guys before you reach, please stretch

[meager ingot]

I want it to not be paid just because the mental damage to the community is going to be huge if it is lol

[calm zodiac]

As long as they keep stashtabs free i'm fine with then selling as many 30$ expansions ad they wish.

[low cradle]

@glacial crow You're really catching L's with these takes

[glacial crow]

30 dollar a year for xpacs is nothing

[hearty wedge]

I mean, it’s the observers face with void stuff on it. Be kind of odd if that wasn’t Orobyss

[fallow sleet]

Uh, not to be that guy, but lots of games do that. Some of them don't even have an upfront cost.

[dark holly]

God here’s to hoping it’s only $30

[glass pendant]

I've been saying for the longest time that a paid expansion is exactly what the game needs and I couldn't be happier, hopefully this will speed up the development process

[fallow sleet]

I mean the base game is already 30, so an expansion would logically be less than that....

[signal mica]

Diablo 4 put mercenary in a DLC what a joke that was

[loud fable]

No, it won't. 95%+ (actual number) of people don't care or think about these things, not in the way you think they do. Like absolutely nobody even knows Krafton acquired them. Yet, if you're terminally online, it might seem like that's everyone's talking about.

[meager ingot]

It's not my own money I'm worried about its the playerbase being fracture and dying :v

[proven grove]

I WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THE EXPANSION NOWWWW OMG

[glass pendant]

(The trailer did me dirty though)

[night marten]

Bruh i was watching star trek when this dropped i have no idea. Lmao

[calm zodiac]

But they also sell you overpriced cosmetics and stashtabs :v

[wooden aurora]

Upsetty spaghetti 🍝

[dark holly]

You think they’re going to hire new staff if they’re charging more money?

[inner finch]

Everyone should chill. I fully expect the first paid DLC to land only when the base game is fully complete in story and endgame. Things will go fine. I'm sure of it

[meager ingot]

Thats simply not true lol

[fallow sleet]

So does LE.

[honest belfry]

Everyone please remember #rules 1

[loud fable]

Eagles FOR SURE (FOR SURE!) has lots of insider access! Make sure you DM him as much as you can so that he reveals the information to you. The more, the better!

[echo flame]

Meh dedge game

[glass pendant]

You think they'll hire new staff if they don't?

[jade oxide]

honestly the trailer is a whole boatload of nothing

nothing new

[dark holly]

That reversal doesn’t work the way you think it does. :3

[glass pendant]

Wick gimme the big bad's face what is this level of teasing 💔

[proven grove]

I already bought Last Epoch for all my friends, it's so worth another $30 or $40 for a new expansion 🔥

[signal mica]

No deal with Microsoft sucks man, Xbox was a dream for Last Epoch

[echo flame]

As expected

[serene parcel]

Wild that all these folks with issues/problems with LE and EHG don't just dip out? like..you're allowed to leave without an announcement. It's fine.

[low cradle]

I'm disenfranchised. LAst season put me off. Next season not having skill sigils and instead having a paid expansion sort of makes it even worse @glacial crow

[calm zodiac]

Can confirm, just DMed him and got exclusive information.

[meager ingot]

You think people dont fire up a game, see they need to pay $20 for a patch, and turn it off and never come back?

[echo flame]

Combat will still the worse bs of all arpgs

[night marten]

The point is we really dont have much detail outside of an outline

[fathom umbra]

People want to feel like they're being seen i guess

[calm zodiac]

It makes me even more happy.

[glacial crow]

@low cradle ya everything you say is irrelevent. last season was completetly amazing. weavers revamped entire endgame system., youre proving your ignorance

id love to see your account

[signal mica]

They better be careful who ports the game onto console

[dark holly]

Someone check steamdb for the dlc cost

[glacial crow]

you probably dontt even play game

[fallow sleet]

I... Honestly don't understand. It's more egregious in this game's community than it is elsewhere. Lots of complainers end up in this server when they can just, idk, play a game that agrees with them more?

[calm zodiac]

Nothing there yet

[night marten]

Every dm i get is a 1 day ban for you now

[loud fable]

I feel the same at a selfish analysis level (what even is that?), but not internally. I think it'd take a good few more patches for me to mentally check out. Can't help how I feel, but if am being rational, S3 was just...a...season.

[simple bison]

Guys please be respectful

[loud fable]

🫡 upfront

[calm zodiac]

Dang

[dark holly]

I thought I was joking but I’m glad you’re actually checking

[glass pendant]

bro's out permanently F

[stray fiber]

What a news lol.

[tardy island]

wonder if it will be crossplay

[hearty wedge]

This conversation is giving me”Palpatine isn’t Darth Sidious” vibes

[echo flame]

Game still hot shitto, thats the new

[low cradle]

It was like.... Really REally bad

like really bad

both player retention and draw back were terrible

[glacial crow]

youre a troll lol blocked @low cradle

[night marten]

Lolololol. Legit have no idea.

[low cradle]

the steam charts peaked at half as much

[glass pendant]

7,8/10 Too little Orobyss

💯

[echo flame]

Top delusional take

[burnt reef]

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!

[low cradle]

with almost a 90% decline

[inner finch]

Aaron, brother, oh brother

[shut shard]

announcement for an announcement, classic

[glass pendant]

AARON did you hear the man's voice

[dusk python]

Yes way!

[fathom umbra]

Hey dont you have a video to record mister?!

[glass pendant]

All the paths lead to him!

[tardy island]

The problem with retention nd numbers is they are competing int he same timeline as POE 2

[loud fable]

But, a bit of feedback to EHG. Ultimately, there are many deals we're not privy to, some of these campaigns might be locked months before, but an announcement of the announcement is veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy rarely taken well. For future reference 🤷‍♀️

[burnt reef]

STREAM GOING NUTS RIGHT NOW

[uneven berry]

Whats the reason behind calling it an expansion and not just a new season?

[coarse swallow]

Please remember to be civil in discussion. Debate the point being made, not attack the user making it.

[tardy island]

i didnt? i asked if it acrossplay lol

[low cradle]

Hard agree.

[signal mica]

Lol

[serene parcel]

It was a mistake.

[inner finch]

Here I was, not even aware State of Play was even going on

[glacial crow]

a lot of broke SoBs that cant afford 20-30 dollars a year malding. and the 5 people who still play on xbox console. nothing else to see

[coarse swallow]

Sorry, was originally responding to you, and had to swap. Because it's still in development, we don't have many specifics to share about features just yet.

[calm zodiac]

My man... same.

[wooden aurora]

Don't want to tag anyone but can anyone at EHG let us know when are they expecting to clear this up? thanks

[fallow sleet]

I am unsure where this idea comes from that a game is dead unless its player base is larger than PoE2..... Do people not realize a lot of people play LE because they don't want to play PoE?

[meager ingot]

Y'all should announce it's free so people can chill the speculation lol

[radiant trench]

No need to be toxic here gamers. Relax, and be better than that.

[dark holly]

wait why would you think this season was a nothing burger? it introduced entirely new builds and build mechanics?

[calm zodiac]

I do think that they don't know yet if the expansion is going to be paid or not, in fact i'd say they're looking at reactions right here and right now, so i'll say, make it paid.

[dark holly]

primordials completely changed the build-schemas

[glass pendant]

I just wanna say btw this is the most gigachad expansion name ever. Top tier pick.

Gives a level of intimidation

[light charm]

wow, peeps, you still can complain even though these devs have likely spent thousands of hours crafting an enjoyable game and game experience for us for practical peanuts? i don't think i would dare say anything negative unless i was part of the team first....

[fallow sleet]

Isn't it just the name of the bad guy?

[glass pendant]

Yes

I think it's genius

[dark holly]

this isn’t an indie shop anymore

[calm zodiac]

To be fair, primordials asside, the dinosaur map and building the beast thingy was a gimmick that fell off really damn quick.

[glacial crow]

please make it paid. if people are raging this hard over a 30 dollar game having yearly xpacs they aint buyying ish on store lol

[low cradle]

Yes

[loud fable]

This is also the wrong approach. People should voice their opinions. Positivity bias is as dangerous as negativity bias.

[glass pendant]

I have a very positive bias in favor of falconer 💯

[meager ingot]

EHG already said the updates would be free and supporter packs/mtx would be the monetization. People are freaking out for no reason lol

[calm zodiac]

While i 100% agree, crying over having to pay for new content isn't really an opinion, is just wanting free stuff lol

[fallow sleet]

Agree, I love LE but no need to just worship the ground it walks on.

[light charm]

well i still really love the game regardless of anything pro or con

[dark holly]

yeah true, that system needed more depth. now that they have the procedural generation stuff from weaver’s season, i kinda hoped they’d do more with it.

[tardy island]

I think is LE timeframe was the month AFTER POE season, it would be fine. with POE 2 being in EA and lets face it, massive content updates and changes. It would draw more players to it for Longer periods as people wear out on poe. LE i was done after a week, poe takes longer to wear out on imo.

[dark holly]

again, the fear is that the rules are different now—it’s Krafton’s rules

[reef dock]

falconer-brained player 😏

[wooden aurora]

they 100% would have cleared this up by now if it wasn't paid, the community team is active in this chat RN.

[low cradle]

Don't you know you have to upload your face to spread opinions on the internet now a days so the government can see if you post anything negative.

[calm zodiac]

I do agree, they should release their season 1 month after POE

[glass pendant]

I had hope you weren't watching 😔

[loud fable]

Arguably, this is a complex talk, but the numbers and the predictions of the meteoric fall from before the season released have shown that most of the people, even if casual, want something new to do.

I'd argue that they want something meaningful to do, and a new system wouldn't have cut it, but that's just my opinion.

Provably, S3 just didn't bring anything new that people could test. Makes sense.

[meager ingot]

No way they'd cave that fast 🥹

[fallow sleet]

I really do not think it's productive to expect the worst when it comes to the Krafton stuff. Like, what's the worst that can even happen?

[dark holly]

not up to them, they’re an acquired party.

[glacial crow]

do you guys think if they were making enough from MTX they wouldve had to sell to krafton? id rather see game charge for yearly xpacs than be shut down

[calm zodiac]

No, the numbers have shown that however decided to release the game 1 week before poe2's best season to date was not the smartest tool in the shed.

[meager ingot]

Well considering the average buyout guts the quality...

[blissful breach]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[fallow sleet]

No literally, what is the worst that could happen? Like the game shutting down? Is that all?

[tardy island]

Given that Krafton just admitted in Subnautica 2 case that it was ready for EA and back pedalled from their initial statement that owners were sabatoging the game lol says a lot

[dark holly]

I think a lot of people are just kind of missing the depth that the T8 affix crafting brings

[balmy sleet]

no panic about a new expansion but do yall think we get crossplay with ps5

[glacial crow]

if you dontt enjoy the game why are u on this discord? real talk lol

[errant verge]

Yeah it’s not caving if they are wholly owned

[dark holly]

but the argument that this season didn’t bring enough endgame is valid

[low cradle]

what about the super obviously broken generic uniques?

[loud fable]

I agree (I'm one!) but that's not their fault at all.

[low cradle]

Everybody loves those right?

[tardy island]

a dev responded here and said it still early development, no ideas about features yet

[fallow sleet]

Define "enough endgame".

[sharp raft]

What exactly does one buffed affix bring....

[glacial crow]

@dark holly def agree w that but doesnt mean it deserves to be ripped to shreds theyre clearly having development issues

[errant verge]

Expansion probably a long ways out anyways

[fallow sleet]

PoE only has maps, do people ever complain about that?

[simple bison]

Cries in delve and heist

[wooden aurora]

dude please tell me you're trolling

[radiant trench]

Loving the expansion teaser! Sad there's too many weird trolls here to have a mature convo about it. See you all when the full trailer drops!

[glass pendant]

Something I'd love to see in the endgame is more endgame

[foggy skiff]

Looking forward to last epochs expansion! LFG TAKE MY MONEYYYY

[granite kindle]

New expansion free or paid ?

[glacial crow]

poe2 endgame is awful. it took poe1 6 yyears to have a solid endgame

[jade oxide]

no info

[meager ingot]

I mean selling twice as many copies for the original price beats doubling the price :v

[quick matrix]

why not on xbox?

[glacial crow]

arpg players are ttruly the most insufferable playyerbase in gaming (other than moba playyers)

[glass pendant]

because who buys that

[outer hearth]

awful?

[wooden aurora]

That's subjective. I dislike Poe2 endgame but think its 1000% better than last epoch's

[pine tapir]

Well... checking here was a mistake. Jesus the whining....

[outer hearth]

it's still better than LE endgame

[meager ingot]

Microsoft is shuttering Xbox

[granite kindle]

It's not troll . It didn't show any new stuff

[low cradle]

education really does make you less prone to blind obedience

[dark holly]

before i start, i think this game is better than poe, but the depth that’s missing is the result of poe having had a billion seasons to iterate and add new bosses/mechanics

Aberroth was a huge add

[visual rain]

when they will address the combat in this game, its beyond hideous, top 1 worse of all

[fallow sleet]

Which would lead to the game shutting down, I'd assume. Is there anything worse than having to pick one of the thousands of other games to play?

[meager ingot]

Microsoft realized they could just embrace PC gaming and are winding down Xbox operations

[fringe thicket]

When is LE finaly starting to fix/update [SwarmBlade] & his pets [Locus] by adding a "summon Locus" skill tree eeh??
LE made SwarmBlade a Meme char by letting him lit. rott in the corner done nothing for him.
Seen SwarmBlade builds this season? No? Now you know. No tuber nore stream did a run with him.
People asking if the Devs lit. dislike SwamBlade this much in search for a reason.
A shame.
Before doing any other new class, fix SB (SwarmBlade) & ffs add finally a "summon locus" skill tree like bear, scorp,... have.
About time.

[rain geode]

Maybe waiting for it to come to gamepass? That’s the only thing I could think, usually PlayStation is the one that takes the longest

[glass pendant]

They better not discontinue xbox controllers because I won't be able to play silksong

[loud fable]

In my opinion, the "Rewards & Progress" loop has been broken because there just isn't any new threat to go up against. "Number go up" as a system just doesn't cut it anymore if you want growth. There's lots of competition now, even between the ARPGs.

Make a build...for what...? Farm for...what? 1.1 had the Uber-like boss. 1.2 had just the perceived sheer size, and I think it cemented LE's spot, and now people are in the "ok, what next?" phase. And, well, 1.3 was just more of the same 😛

[outer hearth]

LE's endgame is just delve

[dark holly]

if they keep adding mechanics like the harbingers/aberroth in an iterative fasion, this game’s going to be insanely good

[verbal osprey]

the box art is chef's kiss. GG to the designer

[meager ingot]

Doubling their money would mean they shut down?

Whuh

[silver arrow]

You're still welcome to say "I'm hype" and go somewhere else after

[low cradle]

Revealing an expansion after a very poorly recieved season

[glass pendant]

The name though 💯

[low cradle]

Pretty big PR mistake either way

[dark holly]

the number of people who have beaten uber-aberroth is still extremely low

[fallow sleet]

I'm sorry, I thought you were trying to explain to me the worst that could happen. So I was assuming you were describing a bad thing.

[visual rain]

and?

[glacial crow]

@outer hearth poe2s endgame is just maps... whats your point? lmao but with subpar combat gameplay and no class identity

[loud fable]

Oh, I just meant Abberoth. Not the Uber version.

[visual rain]

the point is at least poe2 has top tier combat weight, this game has none, its literally worse than grim danw

[loud fable]

Because the creation of an Uber-like boss means its normal version. Implied. Sorry, I should use that terminology moving forward.

[dark holly]

poe2 isn’t even a game

[glacial crow]

guarantee majority of these people in here saying LE has no endgame havent even killed uber abby lol

[loud fable]

I've just updated my dictionary, thank you! 🤖

[foggy skiff]

BLAH BLAH POE 2 IS BETTER BLAH BLAH LE BAD BLAH BLAH MAKE LE MORE LIKE POE2 blah blah

[glacial crow]

guaranteeeee

[dark holly]

we’re not talking about that

[wooden aurora]

yah, but grim dawn is peak tho 😄 most other games are worse

[errant verge]

Depends how far it is away. The optics are only bad if it’s paid and in early development- then it’s just Krafton squeeze.

[glass pendant]

you good there bud?

[tired fox]

@night marten its like the world exploded in here all the sudden...

[foggy skiff]

Oh I’m good

[meager ingot]

Oh oh nah. Im just saying wish the game had more players so they can get the money they need without upping costs

[fallow sleet]

Kinda abandoned mechanics aren't they? Also you need to map to even do those things.

[visual rain]

grim dawn ticks a lot of boxes, LE only ticks crafting boxes, everything else is literally hideous

[dark holly]

this season really expanded the builds that can beat uber

[fallow sleet]

I'm assuming the base game retains its price tho?

[glacial crow]

@visual rain why are u here then?

[trim ember]

that mf expansion better not be a paid expansion

[dark holly]

but i think what needs to be added is more stuff like aberroth where you have something you work towards and then get to fight/grind

[outer hearth]

there are at least different strats that you can do even tho most of them are copy pasted from poe1

[visual rain]

waiting for the promise of getting it better since 0.5 ig?

[loud fable]

Nobody would care, they've beaten Abberoth, they've beaten the version they wanted to beat. Nothing new.

[latent sierra]

Wait immusama is this you ?

[wooden aurora]

not wrong here, i just love grim dawn and wanted to call it peak

[outer hearth]

in last epoch all u do to level up is shrines

[muted cape]

I knew Playstation was the best console

[outer hearth]

no endgame in LE

[glass pendant]

I don't own one and I agree

[dark holly]

uberroth has some insanely good gear, but there’s no point in acquiring it if you beat it

[meager ingot]

Idk either they make base game + expansion the new thing you buy or

[tired fox]

Frankly i have more hours than i care to discuss in LE if its a paid expansion so be it, it will be worth it for the time and enjoyment i get from it ...

[fallow sleet]

I... Still don't understand people's definition of "endgame" which this game supposedly doesn't have.

[meager ingot]

wdym

Just compare it to poe lol

[visual rain]

grim dawn is peak, but sadly imo its getting a little too dated by now

[outer hearth]

last epoch is actually kinda dogshit

[meager ingot]

You can farm endgame and do zero maps in poe lol

[fallow sleet]

Compare it in what way?

[late plank]

so, is this a paid expansion?

[glacial crow]

@outer hearth

just say ur broke

and move on

[fallow sleet]

Can you answer the question then?

[night marten]

Yea. Some sorta big news i guess. Lul

[visual rain]

just say you are a undercover dev, never seen someone kneeling so hard

[dark holly]

i hate to say it because i hate being derivative about it, but yeah, compare it to poe; there’s several entire systems you can farm your entire poe career without touching maps. even outside of the conclusion of maps (nominally sirus) there’s side ubers that you can additionally unlock

[low cradle]

I could also see them differentiating expansions and seasons finally and it not being paid, or it being something devoid of the season. Like a time bending class.

[calm zodiac]

They releasing a new expansion soon, seens like it'll come with a grapcs upgrade, but yes, the engine is the same from titan quest... 1, its very old

[outer hearth]

goes to show that you haven't played any good games before if you think LE has endgame

no explanation is really needed

[dark holly]

no an explanation is absolutely needed

[outer hearth]

its just dogshit corruption stacking

[fallow sleet]

Why are you here?

[glacial crow]

it takes an odd person to be in a game discord for a game they hate and poopoo on it for an hour straight lmao. yal weirdos

im out

[visual rain]

if the visuals improve a little it will be a big win imo already, everything else they do it right

[loud fable]

I think it's implied it's S4.

[outer hearth]

to give feedback to the devs

[glacial crow]

legit nothing better to do with your lives no wonder u broke

[errant verge]

Yeah that I don’t think the issue. The early development = started around acquisition. Paid=time to sell out

[loud fable]

Well, it's guaranteed.

[proper fog]

theres a dedicated channel for that

[calm zodiac]

I mean, tbh, poe2 and LE endgame is very similar.

[tired fox]

Well hopefully it calms down some its gotten somewhat toxic in here I don't envy the poor mod team.

[fallow sleet]

What feedback? That you hate them?

[meager ingot]

LE is such an amazing base of a game I just really want it to grow well into what it's meant to be without being eh corrupted lol

[visual rain]

dude is getting paid for kneeling kekw

[errant verge]

Oh I got a different impression from the press release on the ps blog

[boreal gust]

is it me or mobs are stuttering since last patch?

[outer hearth]

no it's not

poe 2 endgame is boring but LE has no endgame just stacking %life%dmg

[calm zodiac]

It really is, there isn't much difference from monolith and mapping.

[dark holly]

that’s the thing that kept me in is that this was an indie studio making a game that absolutely would beat out PoE given a few seasons, promising a one and done payment model

[simple bison]

Guys keep it respectful please

[visual rain]

LMAO

[low cradle]

A new class like feature would be best. So you still have the medium barrier to entry

[high kettle]

[calm zodiac]

Its literally all i'm doing in POE LOL

[visual rain]

[outer hearth]

you probably have never done a mapping strat

alot of tourists in this chat

[light charm]

not saying LE is perfect an "worshipping it," but at least i am grateful for all the hard work that went into it, i'm out too

[dark holly]

if all you’re doing is stacking life% and %dmg you’re not doing well in LE

[glacial crow]

@outer hearth woah a way to do endless maps DIFFERENT

[coarse swallow]

Please remember to be civil in chat. Debate the statement they make, not attack the individual making a statement.

[hearty crystal]

Sounds kinda weird to release an expansion before the main story is even done tbh

[night marten]

Happens every news post. Itll die down in a day or so.

I aint gonna be here. Hades2 tomorrow. Buhbye. Lol

[errant verge]

I’m pro that, new endgame new etc

[meager ingot]

Yeah the ability skill trees are so dope, and the crafting is 🤌

LE is so so much better of a solo arpg than anything else

[errant verge]

Just as long as I keep my offline play

[fallow sleet]

You seem more open to explaining things. I don't understand what you can do without touching maps. Farm Kitava over and over?

[loud fable]

DUDE I COMPLETELY FORGOT BUT APPARENTLY THE COMBAT IS (STILL) ASS COMPARED TO HADES 1 😭

[visual rain]

this dude is antagonizing everybody and mods sleepdge lmao

[low cradle]

Also

[dark holly]

you ever listen to the people cheering on the delve divers? those guys can get just as much as the mappers in loot without touching maps, and they never do

[low cradle]

orobyss is insanely cooler visually than abberoth

[dark holly]

never touch maps, I mean

[low cradle]

if he is the new end game boss

[night marten]

Its different. Not ass. It is more tactical and less spammy.

[daring cargo]

truth

[visual rain]

[glass pendant]

Let vlad mod solo for a couple of days just for the plot

[dark holly]

Same with the crazies who farm Sanctum

[loud fable]

...Jonathan?

[night marten]

No. The devs have said many times they have no more info to give

[calm zodiac]

My man, i'm at over 250h on this season alone, all you do is literally stack more damage and HP so you don't get hitkilled by stupid mechanics.

[wooden aurora]

no statement is a statement. unless they really really really messed up the whole community aspect of the buisness.

[night marten]

Lmao

[fallow sleet]

How do you get the currency to do Sanctum/Delve without doing maps?

[loud fable]

Alright, I won't talk about what I really don't know (only have like ~10h) but Hades 2' combat just felt...uh...unsnappy for the wrong reasons 🤷‍♀️

[glass pendant]

(join the silksong gang)

wait who said that

[loud fable]

"Jonathan is typing"

NO WAY

[bitter vector]

Are we getting a graphics update? And a warrior class finally?

[loud fable]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[dark holly]

Well, alright, you have to “do” maps but you can pump your Atlas tree specifically for those elements, and only map deeply enough to farm the uhhhh yellow stuff oyu need for Delve

[meager ingot]

I'm mostly just saying I hope EHG wins the optics war :v

[smoky pier]

Your pfp is very suggestive. Just saying

[dark holly]

There is no EHG only Krafton

[kind lake]

holy its actually jonathan rogers because poe2dogshit only has graphics update and a warrior class

[loud fable]

Great pfp.

[calm zodiac]

Atlas tree is pretty much loot focusing my man, barelly change anything in the actual gameplay

[wooden aurora]

optics war? which era is that?

[glass pendant]

ruined

[meager ingot]

Has Krafton actually sucked other games dry?

[late plank]

Surely the expansion wont cost as much as the base game, bought 2 supporter packs already

[dark holly]

I cannot explain without linking someone’s 1 hour+ youtube video or something that that’s incorrect

[fallow sleet]

I guess, but that's just replacing one monotonous grind with another. I mean the people who like to do those specific things are absolutely fine. But like, by that logic, the monotonous grind that this game offers might just be something that doesn't agree with them personally but does with others? Know what I'm saying?

[loud fable]

It'll be in the $20-30 range.

[stoic monolith]

Imma assume by "major expansion" is gonna be smth like WoW expansions where you have to buy them to access their content huh?

[dark holly]

We are playing the Monotonous Grind genre here. This is ARPGs.

[wooden aurora]

I assume so, but we do not know

[fallow sleet]

You understand what I'm saying tho right?

[dark holly]

If you’re reducing the argument down to “we have one monotonous grind then that’s enough, variety is a luxury in arpgs” then kind of.