💬┃general

[reef dock]

nashville hot chicken

[inner finch]

Sure. @simple bison

(consider this a friendly tag of awareness to whatever's going on)

[dense shale]

This isn't even out of character for the voice channels.

[strong echo]

I was obviously talking about the people demending "I need this"

[glacial crow]

but before we continue to fight... i want to give props to the last epoch devs, because these guys tolerate so much crap!

give a props to last epoch devs, theyre great!

[inner finch]

LE devs are a very friendly bunch, yes

[reef dock]

no one said anything about demanding it

until you assumed it for some reason

take a chill pill my guy, it's not that serious

[glacial crow]

now before anyone would desire my perfect visage, i want you guys to give a guys who i look like the most!

[strong echo]

Then why did you say it?

[dense shale]

Wish they were actually active here. That's one thing I'll give hero siege. The developers are an odd bunch, but chances are within a day or two you can have a direct conversation with any of the devs in discord.

And this most recent season has severl fixes/QOL that I talked to them about directly.

[reef dock]

show me where we said people were demanding gender selection

[glacial crow]

it doesnt matter, who is the prettiest, i am, without doubt, except you have to guess who i vaguely resemble

[severe socket]

What in the Shakespeare am I witnessing in here right now?

[calm jay]

Internet renaissance at work.

[reef dock]

some weirdo getting mad about nothing

[glacial crow]

thats the point isnt it?

[reef dock]

typical discord stuff

[inner finch]

idk, but if i sit at a bar and a story-fueled drunkard sits next to me, i usually tend to listen

its good time all in all

[severe socket]

So the usual Barrens Chat, huh. Noted.

[glacial crow]

except i am the most beautiful woman, hidden in secret. guess who i look like the most

[severe socket]

🍿 - thought you guys would want some. 🙂

[thorn bane]

🤔

[glacial crow]

its okay, if you dont want to believe, what do i care?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CExygD1iEu0

do you love this tarantino song? well, youre on the right track

you should be honored, the most beautiful woman graced this channel

[dense shale]

I do believe you have lost your audience

[glacial crow]

no, listen to your soul, you will be shocked

i love being me! I am the greatest!

it feels great to be God, while it lasts...

[inner finch]

What about the lance

[glacial crow]

Man listen, I don't know what to tell you, consider this channel honored, that God is a woman!

Everyone wants to be me, but they cannot, because there's only one of me

Your silence speaks of the greek moon goddess "Selene".

I stopped the world in 2020, chew on that

You what the creepy part is, that these righteus fellows... believe me... crazy isn't it? well it's true

Yes, it's difficult to be... GOD himself.... sure, I guess I have to live with that

[inner finch]

Wait i thought god is a woman

[round lake]

Do we know if they fasten a little bit with seasons? To 2months or smh? Or next season in 4months?

[severe socket]

Do you need bugs to propagate this much?

[round lake]

Ooo Siliest one

[thorn bane]

2 months, idk of many arpg with that kind of turnaround. They aim for 4 months but can be longer

[severe socket]

There's already a metric f-ton of stuff to fix, plus they now have a publisher breathing down their necks.

[round lake]

Ty

[glass pendant]

Holy shitpost what am I reading

Lmaoo

[severe socket]

I know, right?

There's a clear medical term for that text dump.

[glass pendant]

at this point I can't tell if it's ragebait or a work of art

or both? somehow?

I'm crying irl

[glacial crow]

You will not be disappointed

[glass pendant]

I copy pasted this to like 5 different servers 😭

[inner finch]

[glacial crow]

The reason I'm slow is because, 40% abv, is one dasy at a time for woman, you know

But don't worry I will deliver

[severe socket]

-# in 9 months

[glacial crow]

You will have your perfect arpg, i will do it

[inner finch]

The perfect ARPG is Zork

[glacial crow]

if you're wondering how i look like.... think of man with two barins, romancing the stone... who framed roger rabbit. the best woman ever

[glass pendant]

you're in the d2r modding server

I already know what you look like 😭

[steel mesa]

the discord brain rot is real

good lord.

[glass pendant]

bro this is peak

[inner finch]

Just stay a while and listen 🍷

[glacial crow]

yes, i am the most beautiful women ever, and you know why, because you have to look into yourselves. i am the one

if you dont believe me, its your loss

[glass pendant]

we are indeed at a loss

for words

[severe socket]

Idrila, log back in please 😄

[glacial crow]

i am lilura1 too, im sure you know her

[severe socket]

Argenti's looking for ya.

[glacial crow]

i wrote everything about crpgs

[steel mesa]

ok

[severe socket]

What about erpgs?

[glacial crow]

i am the moon, goddess of the night. the fact you guys you dont believe me is your loss

[glass pendant]

I'm a fan of rgs because I don't play

[severe socket]

🍿 - Have a refill folks, we're in for a LONG haul here 😄

[glacial crow]

did you know why i am real? because i know

[light charm]

gets popcorn and sits back

[glacial crow]

ask me anything

[dense shale]

Will you stfu

[glacial crow]

thats why i mean, you want me to stop, i will stop

[severe socket]

Let 'em cook, some people needed that laugh. 😁

[opaque maple]

good

[glacial crow]

its your loss

[steel mesa]

I'm waiting for it to be funny ngl

[glacial crow]

if you want me to go away, i will go away, its that simple

but i will say this, i am HEISENBERG

[glass pendant]

thought heisenberg was male

[dense shale]

If drugs aren't involved, a serious mental disability is....

[glacial crow]

did you know, i can fly without your consent?

[dull cipher]

I arrived to play LE and chat, what on earth did I walk in on?

[glacial crow]

these fools havent challenged me enough

[glass pendant]

it's that time of the day

[inner finch]

fools... fools!

[glacial crow]

I am god in human form

you wil have nightmares about me

[severe socket]

A rogue LLM having an aneurysm apparently. Some 🍿 maybe?

[glass pendant]

[dull cipher]

I shall partake in said popcorn, and watch the discord channel burn. So...It's Monday?

[severe socket]

Yep.

[glacial crow]

You people crave me

[severe socket]

Normal stuff.

[glacial crow]

ask me anything

[glass pendant]

What I crave right now is cold coke

brb

[glacial crow]

How simple

You can speak before God, and you choose to mock

fine have it your way

Did you take a shit today, gongrats!

Do we agree that stifler was awesome, yes he was

[severe socket]

🪁

[glacial crow]

Listen, I am bored. you can do better

can you beat the moon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpOhcoboP7c

damnit, I'm angry now, the princess hates no one having to challange her

What am I going to get: "some moron saying, society must saving by monarchy"

The moon cannot be beaten, it is a fact

[dull cipher]

The spammers have entered the chat

[glacial crow]

no, i am not spamming, i am stating

[dense shale]

All I see is "5 blocked messages" "4 blocked messages"

[severe socket]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[glacial crow]

police method is the cheap method

[glass pendant]

is this like, young tom cruise

or someone used his face to build an ai avatar or

crazy work

[severe socket]

Lots of crazy in here lately.

[inner finch]

im being informed now the crazy is spreading elsewhere

[severe socket]

When the crazy becomes the norm, the normal becomes a felony. I can tell this much.

[jolly python]

is it to late to get into this season?

[inner finch]

Its the void, after all

[severe socket]

There's enough time to give it a solid go. 🙂

[dense shale]

Not at all. The only games that really suffer from that are ones based purely on trade. That is only because the economy is pretty screwed after awhile.

[dull cipher]

Nah, it's a long season; enjoy!

[severe socket]

ORO... BY... S... S...

[jolly python]

ty guys

[glass pendant]

we will watch your career with great interest

[severe socket]

To this day I have absolutely no idea how to get into MG because prices are so jacked up and rear-pulled, it's not even funny.

CoF is where it's at for me.

[dense shale]

Even on games like POE1 once they added private leagues that's all I've ever played. I don't like the trading aspect. Instant gratification kills it for me. As well as people always being worried about what somethign is worth instead of how fun it is to run or use.

[dull cipher]

Same. I just don't have the patience for it.

[severe socket]

PoE is the bane of my existence 😣

I burned out on it so hard, PoE 2 is an instant nope by default no questions asked.

[calm jay]

I couldn't deal with the power gaps in PoE

Like I love a crunchy building game, a'la this, but no matter what I played in PoE it felt like my power jumps were so few and far between, and basically stringent on having the right stuff drop

[dense shale]

in POE2 you play deadeye with lightning arrow and storm rod like 35% of the player base and then there is no power gap.

[severe socket]

What's even the point in creating a whole new game with the same exact paradigm anyway?

[calm jay]

Right that was PoE's thing, like 'build' was such a vague concept anyway

Had to get the skill gems, slots, and at times the right gear it seemed to me

I just never felt like a build 'clicked' or I hit that point where it went from oomph to oomph

Well no, it did, but not nearly on the level that any other games did

I was usually just experimenting painfully

[severe socket]

Pain of Everyone

[calm jay]

Here in LE, sometimes it's scuffed and not meant to be, but usually the builds are diverse enough it'll at least hobble through the campaign so far as I've played

[severe socket]

I'm a raging altoholic so PoE took a freaking extreme measure to screw me over. Building just one character properly is a goddamn chore in there, but three is an impossible task.

[calm jay]

Right.

Maybe I just went at it wrong and it really just is one of those games you have to use a guide to enjoy

but then I wouldn't enjoy it anyway

[severe socket]

And it's VERY punishing to make a mistake in there. Respeccing takes too big a toll compared to LE.

As for making said mistake... It's the EASIEST thing to do by a landslide.

And the worst part? It all doesn't mean crap when you're a budding melee character and stuff murders you three screens away by just randomly sneezing in your general direction.

At least Bestiary did exactly that to me.

[dense shale]

You need a masters degree to theory craft in POE

[glass pendant]

bazuka moment

[inner finch]

tbh there's also a decent amount of skill required at being good at LE theorycrafting

mostly knowing which nodes actually work

[severe socket]

At least LE is very clear about what goes with what and actually encourages homebrew.

[glacial crow]

this is the superior moment of LE, to prove they're tolerant

[glass pendant]

this made me laugh I'm not gonna lie

[glacial crow]

who is the moon, where the comes from, answer me

[severe socket]

Oh, the high bro is back. 🍿

[glacial crow]

i expect you LE people to be smarter than the D4 tards

who am I? answer me

[calm jay]

He who has lost his tail, bruh

You on that real Mario Paint

[glacial crow]

I am the one

[glass pendant]

on just about any paint at this point

this has to be the work of chemicals

[severe socket]

Chemical X?

[glacial crow]

I'm still the one, now answer me, and say my name in heisenberg fashion

[severe socket]

"Fish face on legs! Yup yuuup YUUUUUP!" - Jontron

[glacial crow]

Listen, I'm not gonna force you

But listen to your gut feeling who I really am

Okay, to avoid server blockage... you can conhsider me... a total what have you

but who do you do think I am really am?

[steel mesa]

The unfortunate truth of this game

[glacial crow]

speak, you know who I am, say my name

i hate people who refuse to acknoweldge me

hint: night forever

SAY MY NAME

[strong echo]

The only reason to make a season character is to chase leader boards, or because you want a fresh econ for trading.

You are probably better off in legacy. You miss out on nothing

[jolly python]

when does the season end? december?

[strong echo]

Oops I meant ladder. I dunno 3osh months?

[jolly python]

looks like atleast 2 months left so thats plenty of time

[south moat]

Well that was an interesting read

[calm jay]

It was a thing.

[sick flicker]

Is there an easier way to cast or keep dread shade on my golem?

[steep river]

Are you using Lone Watcher node in Dread Shade?

[sick flicker]

Ye

[steep river]

That should keep up Dread Shade a long time

[sick flicker]

Yea but on map change I have to recast it, which is fine. I was just curious if there is an easier way for example just using it on the icon of the golem instead its model ingame

[steep river]

Oh unfortunately I don't believe you can cast buffs like that. I tried Abomination earlier and I occasionally ended up with Dread Shade on the T-Rex, but I could usually tell and re-cast it

[sick flicker]

Ahh okay, ya no worries :D

Sometime games allow to cast on avatar/icon

[solar dew]

Grippy Toe Socks

[dense shale]

Just got my son some grippy toe socks

[dense shale]

The gear in this game gives so many ideas. Is there anything out there that really just won't work no matter how hard you try? Is EVERYTHING viable?

[loud fable]

I think every single high-end player/content creator has said every REASONABLE build you'll come up will be able to do 100 CR easily: resistances capped, not doing ungodly stuff like getting random damage types on something your spells don't use, etc.

So, yes. Just respect some basic rules.

[dense shale]

Noted. Appreciate it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting a ton of time pondering alts

Any tips for tankiness?

Seems like Ward is the way to go

[calm jay]

Depends on the class, I think some would be better at ward than others

[main frigate]

Not interested in pinnacle bosses because I never can touch that

[dense shale]

Was more a general statement about the masses

[main frigate]

No win here because similar case happened in le too. Players who plays void knight and paladin is overwhelming in 0.2

[thorn bane]

4k hp, res capped, crit red capped, 60% endurance, 60%+ armor

I prefer that much more than ward unless ward synergies well

[main frigate]

I agree with that. Current trials is what I never want to play. But I must play if I want all ascendency points. So bad.

🤔 I don't find a way to enjoy cycles of le in past because I'm learning how to play that all the time.

This case will be changed in 1.4. I have experienced in many games under the same type so I'm more clear on what I want in le

The common of all of them is how to deal enough damage and build enough defense

[dense shale]

Yeah, I've wandered off and tried every other ARPG out there. Many have good traits, none have the build diversity and customization of LE

[calm jay]

LE is thicc with builds aplenty

The game actually wanting me to cross classes in terms of passives and skills is wild

[dense shale]

fun builds at that

[main frigate]

I don't have opinions on "the best crafting system/ the best build diversity and customization is in le"
because I don't try hard enough on these systems in another loot-based ARPG

I played Poe 2 0.3 for 3 weeks and it's the 4th week now. I still learning the game. Just learnt how to crafting and get more familiar with the endgame

[calm jay]

So few games want that for the player

[dense shale]

I feel like they were inspired by grim dawn hugely

[main frigate]

Never play any games in this type until le 1.0 was released so I still have a lot need to learn especially Poe.

The good news is I know how to play Poe 2 so Poe will more simple.

[dense shale]

Ehh, POE1 is actually more complex than POE2 in my opinion. I have thousands of hours in POE1, been playing since 2011. No matter how much you know, there's soemthing you don't.

it does give you a good idea though

So you're new to ARPGs then?

[main frigate]

It's make sense on why you can feel the advantage of le on build customization

Yes I'm quite new compare with most players here on both of ages and game experience

[dense shale]

Honestly, most games I truly enjoy I wish I could 100% wipe my knowledge of and start fresh.

[torpid jacinth]

is black hole really viable at all end game? Its pretty cool but it doesnt feel like its bringing much to the table for me, ive recently traded it for snap freeze

[stoic dew]

Yes it is you just need the sorc class for it and a couple of legendaries that goes well with black hole. It's a long grind but once u got it it's good.

Mana heavy tho

You can use the skill that when u attack u get mana to spam black holes

[torpid jacinth]

hang on ill link my current build, im primarily relying on lightning blast for single target damage and frost nova for aoe stuff

[torpid jacinth]

how would you spam it? it has a pretty lengthy cooldown doesnt it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner this is my current setup, i didnt really follow any particular guide, mostly because i am not a fan of following guides lol

dont make fun of me too hard pls if my build is total shit 😅

[stoic dew]

You can spam it if you get the legendary item for it idk what's the name there's too many legendaries on this game it's hard to keep up with it

[main frigate]

Your build isn't here because you don't save your build

[torpid jacinth]

i didnt realize black hole had its own legendary, huh

oh derp

one sec

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3YpxOVQ

[slow cloud]

Sorcerer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Mage (21) / Sorcerer (78) / Runemaster (9)

General:

▸ Health: 1,312, Regen: 20.46/s
▸ Mana: 1,004.2, Regen: 18.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 289%, Regen: 126/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 7 Dex / 106 Int / 15 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 149% / 76% / 103% / 82% / 131% / 68% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 262
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (97)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (887)

Used skills:

Elemental Nova / Lightning Blast / Teleport / Flame Ward / Snap Freeze

[torpid jacinth]

sorry lmfao blonde moment

[stoic dew]

Yeah it has it's own build

[torpid jacinth]

huh, i remember looking for one but not finding it 🤔

a legendary i eman

mean*

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/black_hole/sources nothing listed here either unless its not listed there for some reason

[stoic dew]

Try looking for black hole builds in season 1 or 2 there are builds in there

[torpid jacinth]

ah only seeing fire and lighting black hole builds, im going for a frost build here

[stoic dew]

Yeah I don't think black hole has any cold passive trees

[torpid jacinth]

black hole is cold by default

o.o

are you thinking meteor?

[stoic dew]

It is? Damn

[torpid jacinth]

cuz i know meteor has a unique associated with it

but i cant find ANY uniques for black hole

[stoic dew]

I don't think cold damage black hole is good idk if you could make it work but try getting frost bite shackles with it

[torpid jacinth]

thats a shame, i love it as a concept lol

[stoic dew]

Yeah there's no good unique for it atm and the skill passive tree for cold is kinda ass

[torpid jacinth]

such a shame, super cooll spell

no pun intended

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[turbid briar]

i think every woven echo have their own % chance for the imprint in the weaver tree is it? is there any docs/web that i can check it?

[main frigate]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[torpid jacinth]

ive noticed something while playing and i cannot for the life of me place what is causing it. for some reason my snap freeze cooldown seems to go down with kills, and i cannot figure out what i have that is causing it

[severe socket]

"20% of remaining cooldown recovered whenever you freeze an enemy, including with Snap Freeze itself. This effect can occur a maximum of two times each second."
- The skill's tooltip

Or you mean kills specifically?

[torpid jacinth]

oh derp that must be what it is

i totally missed that

im dumb lmfao, on another note, when exactly are they gonna make searching for idols in the bazaar not... awful

[severe socket]

Idols in general is an awful concept. Worse than gacha at times.

Not just the affix pool is wtfrandom AF, the shapes those affixes are pigeonholed to aren't helping either.

[frank oracle]

Strongest reflect build out there? 🤔

[torpid jacinth]

honestly id be happy if we could AT LEAST search them better in the bazaar, like they clearly have the tech for it, eveyr other stall you can specify the range of the affixes and stuff lmfao

[shell pollen]

Is las epoch gettting cooked?

[upbeat stump]

why I can't do respec in town at end times ?

[severe socket]

Context?

[stoic dew]

It cooked so good I ate good last weekend gaming session.

[stoic dew]

You can just go downwards and you'll find the guy that respec's your mastery and points

[shut birch]

used a rune of evolution for the first time. Is it suppose to randomly change what t8 affix is sealed to the item? Because twice I tried to upgrade a t7 bleed penetration affix and it either gave me "+6 Lunge" or "145% Poison Damage Taken as Physical"

[trail hamlet]

not sure what youre asking
if your item has multiple t7 affixes it will upgrade one at random

[shut birch]

so, what happened to me was I was trying to upgrade:
t7 Bleed Penetration -> t8 Bleed Penetration

But what ended up happening both times I tried was
t7 Bleed Penetration -> t8 Poison Damage Taken as Physical
t7 Bleed Penetration -> t8 +6 Lunge & Increased Melee Damage

And I'm completely lost about how that happened because I didn't know it randomly changes the affix itself

and the gear had no other t7 affix on it besides t7 Bleed Penetration

[willow sentinel]

Why Glyph was equiped?

(the little parchment)

Because it's not supposed to change the affix

Unless you had a Glyph of chaos equiped

@shut birch

[shut birch]

Didnt have any glyph equipped. I bought the chest pieces from the Bazaar and went straight to equiping the rune of evolution in the forge.

It just sucks because it takes forever for me to farm those bones just to "maybe" get the upgrade i want 😭

[willow sentinel]

It should not change the t7 for smth else

If you haven't already please report it

[digital dew]

Anyone else getting DC'd constantly?

[autumn briar]

nah

[digital dew]

weird man, was fine till i entered Thetima now i can barely play

[wild moth]

eu server? after switching to us, the dc's stopped

[digital dew]

fair, i'll try that. thanks

[upbeat stump]

I can't find any NPC that would allow me to respec :/

[willow sentinel]

End of time, go down south

Lady with a purple head/brain icon

[upbeat stump]

yeah Im there right now, but still all I can do is to reset passives not respec my whole profession

[glass pendant]

good afternoon

[south moat]

Good afternoon George

[willow sentinel]

Are you playing in English?

I am guessing no

When you talk to her, the second option should be respec mastery.
But it's bugged and it says "leave" or smth like this

If you choose it, it should allow you to respec your mastery

Even though it doesn't say so

[upbeat stump]

yeah, Im playing in Polish. gonna try that 😄

[sick flicker]

Is it just me or does abomination feel weak in campaign? I feel like Im better off just using my normal minions for bosses

[stoic dew]

Maybe you are building it wrong? Cause abomination needs to consume ur other minions to have good stats did u do that?

I gave up on that build cause I hate that you need to buff it with health drain skills to be more effective and having to summon it each time it dies is a pain.

[turbid silo]

Good morning all, how's everyone?

[willow sentinel]

👋👋Good and yourself?

[turbid silo]

Doing pretty well!

[main frigate]

what your breakfast plan is?

[willow sentinel]

What kind of build do you play derrickG?

[simple bison]

Morning everyone! (or good afternoon)

[main frigate]

Or good night

[primal abyss]

Feel like we can just fit in a Good Day! Timezones and all that..

Good morning Derrick

[turbid silo]

I usually just have a cup of coffee in the morning and my girlfriend makes us breakfast a bit later when she wakes up. I tend to dive right into work and eat later 😛

[turbid silo]

I'm playing a Raptor Beastmaster atm

[main frigate]

oh it must recommend by Van

[willow sentinel]

Raptor single?

[main frigate]

A coffee lover who drink coffee every day?

[primal abyss]

Something tells me that our builds are still different lol

[glass pendant]

I gotta find out which EHG gigachad plays falconer

[turbid silo]

Yeah, Raptor and Wolf atm

[main frigate]

Oh cool. I have drunk coffee once in the capacity which I needed in my whole life before, so I never touch coffee anymore.

I can't sleep in the whole day after that hhhhh

[inner finch]

Its called season start evening, and it happens every 5-6 months

[willow sentinel]

Overkill primordial ?

[muted jacinth]

Can ayone sayin me why i cant post a Suggestion ? 😄 im not very often in Discord

[simple bison]

Follow what this post says https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1210288551313281044

[glass pendant]

Damn, we are not escaping the "arpg players can't read" allegations at this rate

[muted jacinth]

as i said im not using Discord that much , but thank you

[severe socket]

Hiya Derrick, Vandryll! How's your day?

[turbid silo]

So far so good

[turbid silo]

Not sure, following the Maxroll build for now

[severe socket]

While you're around, what's your opinion on what's happening here - #💬┃general message ?

Is that an intended behavior?

[turbid silo]

I'm still becoming familiar with LE crafting so I don't feel comfortable answering without more information about what was included in the craft when it occurred

[main frigate]

Welcome to join in le fams. Remember to stay hydrated. 🚰

Are you played any loot-based ARPG before work in EHG?

[simple bison]

Sounds like glyph of chaos for the first one, not sure about the second one, would need to see the item beforehand. I know they said they didn't use a glyph but that's what it seemed like happened, either it's a bug or they used a glyph basically

[sick flicker]

Yea I did that too, I might drop it too not sure, feels a bit meh

[turbid silo]

I have played some before, but never have I focused on learning about details and mechanics as I have with LE

[main frigate]

Very interesting

go to work = play games

It's come true definitely

[dense shale]

First time I've noticed the EHG guys in discord. Hello good peoples! Great game you have.

[turbid silo]

Hello Sysity, thanks for the kind words!

[hallow scroll]

Red Ring isnt real it can't hurt you.

[south moat]

But I've a red ring or 3

[main frigate]

you're a fan of caster or melee or ranger or minion or thrower?

[turbid silo]

Usually I am a cleric/priest in any medieval RPG

So I would say caster/support

This is my first minion character I've played ever

or pet character

[glass pendant]

discipline priest early WoW was the OG ward build 💪

[dense shale]

Primalist has some REALLY cool setups with their companions. Most of them can cast abilities using your skill trees. Going Support and having a super beefed up companion is fun.

[main frigate]

Very interesting +1

I can't accept melee + minion personally but I enjoy dot + crit on cast. xd

[glass pendant]

Swipe is probably one of if not the best support skill in the game

But I have a soft spot for smoke bomb

[willow sentinel]

Arguably Swipe is too good

For supporting your companion(s)

But kinda sucks as a Melee Attack

[glass pendant]

I think it should suck as a melee attack

That's what balances it out

[willow sentinel]

Especially if you want to go lightning and have to pay a 5 pts conversion tax

[willow sentinel]

?

[simple bison]

As it stands right now if it was a strong support skill while also being solid damage it would be kinda op, they'd need to give it a less damage mod or something on some of the support nodes imo

if they buffed the dps nodes or the damage effectiveness or whatever

[glass pendant]

exactly

[main frigate]

maybe you can try burning daggers marksman one day. Another first try you will have.

Mike know this build if you don't know that

[willow sentinel]

You don't balance one archetype by make all the other sucks

[south moat]

I always used to play either healer or tank when I played mmorpg
Just didn't really enjoy other roles

[willow sentinel]

They need to nerf the support side of Swipe, and improve the melee side

But saying Melee sucks so support can be great is the wrong mindset imo

[glass pendant]

I'm not a fan of that jack of all trades concept. Primalist can easily aim to rely on other skills for melee damage

[simple bison]

I agree, they'd just need to make them basically mutually exclusive

[glass pendant]

Swipe is already very support centric

[simple bison]

could make it so the cd reset node also gives swipe -50% damage etc

[turbid silo]

I just love to help people so being a healer of any type naturally came to me. It's why I do what I do for work as well 🙂

[willow sentinel]

We need to move some of the tools from Swipe to other skills

[willow sentinel]

It already gives a 2 sec cd, that a lot of less dmg in a way

[dense shale]

I've been using Swipe, War cry (totem form) and frenzy to buff a cold saber

[glass pendant]

I'm ok with swipe having a large part of the minion support toolkit. It's not like other things have absolutely zero of all that. Crowstorm comes to mind

Or totem

I'm saying swipe is just very good at what it does

So it can't also be critting for billions

[simple bison]

Don't think anyones asking for it to do tons of damage while also having tons of utility

[calm jay]

Same here. There's something about approaching the fight with a method besides 'just... fuggin' blow everything uppppp, dawg' that makes it so much more interesting

[simple bison]

you can make nodes nerf other parts or disable other parts of a skill, it's pretty normal in LE

[main frigate]

it's my version, for reference only. I'm bad at min-max. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkDvp9Q

[slow cloud]

Marksman, Level 99

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (74) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,234, Regen: 245.82/s
▸ Mana: 134.62, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 101 Dex / 3 Int / 3 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 123% / 77% / 74% / 86% / 58% / 113% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 514
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (1007)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,885)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 107%

Used skills:

Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Cinder Strike / Smoke Bomb

[glass pendant]

I'm just explaining why I think the damage "should suck" given the skill's current iteration. Imagine if you dropped a smoke bomb and you saw a 8 digit number on top of the other 10 things it already does

[dense shale]

I thought the alternate leveling path was supposed to award the idol slots and passive points for the content you skip??

[simple bison]

I think everyone agrees with that

[south moat]

I just loved taking the blows and shrug it off
and as healer it was very strict who i'd support

[simple bison]

yes, once you finish a dungeon and go out the other side you'll get passives and idol slots

[calm jay]

The sheer power that comes with not healing DPS who facepull is a rush, I cannot deny

[dense shale]

Doesn't seem like it did and It still shows all the quests for the location I skipped.

[simple bison]

It doesn't actually complete any sidequests

[glass pendant]

I know there's the counter argument of "well if you go the other side of the tree, you basically turn it into a completely different skill" but you have to keep in mind +skills is comically easy to gain nowdays

[simple bison]

it just rewards the points and idol slots

[dense shale]

Can I go back and do the side quests and still get the points so i can move on to Echoes earlier lol

[simple bison]

Which is why some nodes hurt / just don't work with others

[main frigate]

That's a fun build which I will go on playing in 1.4. The only pity is too squishy. (Have passed 300+c test, but I burnt out)

[calm jay]

Lynx + cooldown Swipe = no Lynx, lol

[willow sentinel]

Well you kinda become immortal while getting a ton of dmg from it, and it's a traversal. So....

[glass pendant]

And it does 0 damage. Similarly, swipe almost enables your bear to oneshot everything in the game

If swipe did damage too, it would be broken

[simple bison]

It wouldn't do both at the same time

not sure what the issue is here

[glass pendant]

I feel like we would be treading into dangerous territory if we were able to pick the best parts of both sides given the current powercreep. It's not that hard to go from one side of the tree to the other like it used to be

[simple bison]

It wouldn't be, there's current precedent for this and it's totally fine. Legit just buff the damage nodes and make the utility nodes have it deal less damage. Done

Plus the CD node already demolishes any dps hopes you'd have for it, so that one is basically already good to go

[willow sentinel]

George is scared falconer might not be the most broken thing 2'seasons in a row 😏😏😏

[glass pendant]

There's like 5 things better than falconer already

If anything, if this discussion was about last season's falconer people would be lunging with pitchforks

I simply find it concerning to give anything exploitable to the already hardest hitting thing in the season

But I agree that the CD keeps it in check

(nothing else does)

[simple bison]

Nothing else needs to currently

dps swipe sucks

If they buffed dps swipe then they should add other things to keep you from doing both util and dps at the same time

[glass pendant]

I'm not saying there's current danger of it doing something like that. I'm only speaking my mind as to why it shouldn't in the future and also as to why I think the minion support archetype it fulfills is great both thematically and from a utility standpoint

[simple bison]

I mean I hope they don't give us a 1h sword with 10000000 flat melee and 5 base attack speed

among a thousand other things

[glass pendant]

You have to agree there's a bit of a leap there in terms of what's probable. We have seen things skyrocket to the stratosphere over a tiny change that seemed unimpactful on a surface level before

[simple bison]

Maybe my view as a CT is skewed. But I can't say that I've ever really been "surprised" by much of any actual changes that weren't bugs

Doesn't mean I think they were all good changes

[glass pendant]

I don't know. Are you saying lich being the most immortal thing the game has seen was anywhere near expected or intended?

I know you can't answer that

But I'm trying to make a point

[simple bison]

I don't know, I guess I just don't really see the point in being worried about something bad that could happen and using it as an argument as to why it being a possibility should prevent a positive change. That would prevent pretty much any and all changes

Like yes, they could change a terrible skill and now suddenly it's the most busted skill in the game, doesn't mean they shouldn't change it

[glass pendant]

Like I said, it's less of a worry and more of a response as to why I don't think swipe doing competitive damage is a good decision given the current powercreep and the +skills availability in particular

Was never about what the skill currently does

Just answering Vlad for the most part I guess

And thoughts mixed in

[simple bison]

So would you say if they buffed the damage for it to be competitive, but at the same time added dps caveats (like the cd node) to the utility nodes, that it would be a bad thing?

[glass pendant]

It's like a scale isn't it? It would definitely need some serious balance for the resulting thing not to be a hybrid monster

[simple bison]

Like if swipe dealt let's say 50 million dps with an optimal setup, but as soon as you picked at least one utility node it dropped to 10 or 5 million, would that really be an issue? I don't think so

[glass pendant]

probably not, but looking into the past, I can't think of too many examples of such hard limitations

[simple bison]

Could they make a mistake and have it deal 100 million dps without utility and 90 million with? sure, but then they should just fix it

[glass pendant]

I mean I'm obviously all for it

But balance is a tricky topic in LE

[simple bison]

The possibility of the mistake shouldn't prevent them from making the change (buffing dps nodes)

[inner finch]

Balance in LE? let me make a 3 hour video essay

[glass pendant]

In my eyes it would be more complex to balance out than the current metagame which hosts monsters that could easily be brought in line by removing a single 0 from somewhere

Yes you can get it right the 2nd time around

[simple bison]

And I'm not saying they won't make any mistake, it's very possible they might. But what I am saying is that it's a mistake worth risking

[glass pendant]

But that would cost another season of discrepancy

[dense shale]

It's strange to me that when you filter an affix in your loot filter, affix's that gain additional stats in higher tiers don't show teh additional effects

[simple bison]

Like what?

[dense shale]

For instance, this "Penetration with Lightning Invocations" also gains "+ward per second per gon rune"

but it doesn't show that in the affix list

[simple bison]

It has the stat at every tier though

[glass pendant]

This is gonna sit in my head for a while, and not just swipe. But I feel like the game would be more interesting with a bigger boost per point that comes with a price in more areas

[dense shale]

Well then it doesn't show that period on the affix list in the loot filter.

[glass pendant]

Plenty of nodes with drawbacks give you options to null them later down in the tree

Or with affixes

And I'm obviously not saying every single node has to take something away

[simple bison]

I totally agree. And I think we've been seeing more of it recently as the game has matured

you have to consider that a lot of these nodes and skills are giga old

[glass pendant]

Maybe getting it right the first time around is more important than it would appear on a surface level then, to prevent dev time backtracking

With every new thing needing layers of rebalancing, other things get left hanging for longer

I wonder if giving the itemization a little break would be the right thing to do. It gets harder to balance trees when new items get introduced that add more power

[wheat shore]

Ugh I finished a lineage in the claw areas and then moused over the best item so far this season +2 skills and 40% damage unique ring and more stats I didn't get to see, then what happens? I click it and it doesn't loot and I keep trying and then i've DC'd because internet dropped out and no ring -_-

[simple bison]

Meh I don't think it is honestly. Something like a node going from 20->15% more DMG per point or something really isn't a huge deal. Obviously it would still need to go through QA and stuff to make sure it didn't somehow bug something out but yeah. The more complex nodes and interactions that are broken on a fundamental level (EQ bear for example) are what take longer to fix without just doing something kinda lazy like slapping on a huge damage penalty on the node outta nowhere. At least that's what it feels like to me

[glass pendant]

The crazy interactions are those of the uncapped rather than the numerical nature I feel like

Infinite scaling is a bigger problem

And imo a big part of that is how it's almost always optimal to stack a single stat over anything else for the slots that accept them

[simple bison]

Yeah they've been introducing less of them and capping existing ones which I think is a good thing

[glass pendant]

Mike said last season on stream he doesn't like how e.g ES just stacks mana and occasionally multi when mana can't be stacked but this hasn't gone away this season

If anything lich has joined that club

[simple bison]

I do think infinite scaling things have a place. They just need to be very limited in scope. Like infinite scaling that feeds into the thing scaling it is a no go

[glass pendant]

Yeah probably way more incremental increases

Soft cap of some sorts

I don't know

[simple bison]

Something like increased attack speed per recent hit dealt would be an obvious example. But there are way more convoluted and sneaky ways for stuff like that to happen

They can also often cause exponential growth

[glass pendant]

Maybe gear should matter more than it does, so that you don't have cases where bear crits for 500k with no gear

But that nerfs the new players

Meh

[carmine smelt]

I tend to agree that it's not a few % here or there that cause the giga brokens in LE. Back in the day you could just pick a fire skill and get % fire damage, some fire pen, fire shred, and boom. Viable build.

Now all the good builds need to find some way to add in a giga scaling component beyond just simple increased damage. Some x per y mechanic that results in 100x damage.

The OP builds seem to be ones that find a way to string together multiple x per y that were unexpected. It's not an extra 40% more multi that breaks stuff, it's an extra scaling angle that wasn't considered.

[glass pendant]

Yeah I think we're way past "40% more" being broken

Scaling is the new big thing

[carmine smelt]

Yeah. Build crafting now is basically trying to find a setup that can use the most scaling multis in a coherent way

[reef dock]

the broken builds tend to be the ones with uncapped scaling + good % more in the skill itself

[dense shale]

I see the mod "% of armor mitigation also applies to damage over time" several places, but i can't seem to find it as a possible affix on the loot filter?

[carmine smelt]

Experimental

[dense shale]

ahhh gotcha

[glass pendant]

I'm not saying there's no place for strong builds, but rather that there's no content to justify that power yet

[reef dock]

also things that scale multiple aspects well off a single attribute like dex falconer, int LB RM/Sorc, etc.

[dense shale]

It's worded differently on the loot filter, thanks.

[carmine smelt]

The builds that trivialize Uber aren't intended though

Its not a balance decision issue, I don't think anyone actively decided bear should oneshot uber

[glass pendant]

Gear acquisition has been a very clear path since s2 and I think that alleviates the need to seek the strongest build ever to begin with. With the current itemization powercreep "aspirational" planners are achievable and therefore builds end up achieving that power anyway

So I think it's time for a little more bossing content

[simple bison]

I think ehg agree based on Mike's comments from the last stream. But I also doubt it'll be harder than ubby

Which is totally fine. Imo they shouldn't be introducing harder content than ubby already

[glass pendant]

Mike did say he wants harder bosses than aberroth eventually

Which I'm not opposed to

If anything, if orobyss ends up being weaker, that would be kinda bad lore wise

[simple bison]

Yeah I think the sweet spot is between Abby and ubby currently

[carmine smelt]

I think it's just the nature of where damage comes from in LE. As the content got harder all the existing skill trees were too weak in a vacuum, so we needed new powerful scaling options without totally reworking all the passives and skills. Eg. How do you make a skill from 0.9 kill an Uber with 300M hp? You start adding mechanics that can give you 100x damage here and there. But then if you find a build that can use 3 100x multis it's not 300x damage it's 1000000x

[simple bison]

Huge hole for static content between them difficulty wise

[glass pendant]

It doesn't help that there's so many good sources of flat damage now either

[carmine smelt]

For other ARPGs a lot more of the build power came from items, so as new content comes you have new ways to make stronger items and thus all builds get stronger in lockstep. In LE a lot of the power is innate and baked into something that doesn't automatically keep up with new harder content. So you need to swing even harder to compensate which leads to these really jagged balance disparities

[reef dock]

honestly the biggest problem with that is just the disparity between skills that have been touched in the last year vs. ones that haven't

[glass pendant]

Yeah that's why I said earlier maybe the power should come more from the gear itself and less from the trees, but that directly nerfs new players. So maybe the game's scaling should also change. Easier earlier, harder later

And since just adding infinite +% modifiers to mobs is boring, imo bossing is the solution

And not just one more boss

And I know that's a lot of dev time but

[reef dock]

if all skills were on a relatively "equal" playing field (respective to the kind of skill it is), then gear could be a scaler

[glass pendant]

It is what it is

[glass pendant]

Now that I think about it this also solves Mike's issue with high corruption pushing

[carmine smelt]

It doesnt need to be done in a casual hostile way. LE just doesnt really have much of "oh I reached this threshold of content, so now I get this new power, which makes the next threshold more accessible"

Once you get to empowered you basically have access to the best possible items given enough time at 100c, minus uber exclusives

[simple bison]

I think if T7 were locked behind Abby and other stuff got locked behind other future content it'd help with this

[carmine smelt]

Like the example I go to is the "incremental" genre of game. Or even something like Factorio.

To beat the game you could kind of brute force given millions of years in theory, but instead you need to actively do something different at each threshold to reach the next

[reef dock]

the attribute scaling builds have a nice gear progression

[simple bison]

Like you just can't drop T7 exalts before abby

Could be the same for lp

[dense shale]

don't do that

[simple bison]

Could be tied to something easier. You get my point though

[dense shale]

That's a HORRIBLE idea. What that essentially does, is says ANYTHING you find before This certain point in the game is complete and utter trash. SOOOOO many other games do exactly that.

[glass pendant]

I still think leaning towards gear is the better solution. Especially because loot is the center focus of the game, for the largest amount of the playerbase, you put your points and you're done

It's the points that enable crazy scaling

Meaning, don't cap gear, cap the trees

[simple bison]

It's not really trash if it's needed for you to get to the next thing. Like if you need t6 exalts to unlock t7 exalts. Just because you'll slowly discard all your T6 exalts after unlocking T7 doesn't mean they were meaningless. At least that's my view on it

And I don't actually think locking T7's behind Abby is a good idea, was just making an example

Locking power behind hard content isn't an inherently bad thing imo

[carmine smelt]

I think that would just feel bad. Maybe T7 can't drop in unempowered but I'm more thinking like some extra system of power after aberroth that when you put time into it, you get closer to being uberroth.

Its like if there are 5 levels of progression (say uber is 5 aberroth is 2 or something) each with a threshold, you could hypothetically skip to level 5 given enough power, but if you are struggling you could use the power from level 1 to get to level 2, then if you still can't do level 5 you spend spend some time at level 3, try again, still too hard, spend some time at level 4, etc.

[dense shale]

Well I was ESPECIALLY leaning on the whole LP locked behind a certain point. Part of the allure is that I could possibly find an item at level 30 that is amazing endgame just because it dropped with great LP

[reef dock]

gear breakpoints are annoying because you have to refarm everything. that's not incremental. think of the worst versions of this being like BL2 every time a new DLC was released with a new higher level cap

shit sucks

[simple bison]

Unlock a new affix slot?

[glass pendant]

Yeah I agree. It would be fine if you could upgrade from t6 to t7

[carmine smelt]

My biggest concern with just preventing some drops is that shitty feeling some games have where "well none of this gear is permanent until I get to this specific threshold so it's a waste of time to stay here"

[glass pendant]

But you have to refarm

[simple bison]

I mean they could always introduce new systems and lock them behind stuff. Like you can only get skill sigils after Abby

You don't have to replace anything that way

[glass pendant]

I'm perfectly fine with unlockable power that can be added on what you already have

But not power that kills what you own

[simple bison]

Obviously power creep but they'll be adding them regardless

[inner finch]

Well, aren't primal items fall into this problematic category in a way?

[simple bison]

Not really

You can get them in normal monos

There's no unlock condition for them

You just farm them and you got it

[inner finch]

Well, technically, levels

[carmine smelt]

Its like for me doing end game farming once I get my T7 1LP slams I don't even bother to go for t7 t5, i just go straight for T7 T7 even though the jump in effort is absolutely massive. Because the t7t5 effort doesn't give me access to any new threshold that would make t7t7 come faster. It can't be recycled or repurposed. It's just wasted effort.

That feels like a missed opportunity somehow

[glass pendant]

It's fine for upgrading into higher lp because you already get the mechanical effect of the unique, and nobody's taking away what you're already wearing anyway, but replacing t6 with t7 feels so impactful because you'd have to do it for all of your gear all over again

[simple bison]

That's every item in the game

[glass pendant]

New players wouldn't wanna do that

I like the idea of skill sigils being locked behind a boss but I'm not sure they'd wanna do that either because it's important that new systems are available for new players

It's bad for marketing

[simple bison]

True. But so we all agree that if they added something like for example skill sigils and it was locked behind Abby or some other static content that it'd be fine right.

So there's actual purpose and a feeling of progression as you get through the endgame

[carmine smelt]

I also hate how the current guarantee 1lp system works tbh. It doesn't take into consideration LPL at all which feels really awkward for items that had their power balanced originally around these LP levels before guaranteed 1LP

[glass pendant]

I'm ok with the "stronger version" of a mechanic being locked behind content

Like blessings

[simple bison]

True

[carmine smelt]

Like in my mind guaranteeing a 1LP RR is very different than doing the same on Kestral. It makes progression have a huge plateau

That makes next steps less obvious once you reach that point

[simple bison]

Maybe we can get Uber blessings from some static boss in each timeline that's a little harder than abby

[reef dock]

I think it would be more interesting if you unlocked the ability to equip different LP levels as you did certain things, and then got more guaranteed slam options as you did enough.

[glass pendant]

To be fair a 25% roll on red ring feels horrible if you're not a dedicated blaster

[simple bison]

Dropping a 3lp item and not being able to equip it would be so bad though lol

[turbid silo]

Apologies if anyone had asked me any questions above, I am bouncing between work stuff and Discord

[carmine smelt]

Tbh I've been suggesting a dynamic LP guarantee system for a while that uses some form of currency with a cost based on LPL

[simple bison]

But yeah maybe if you kill ubby you can select 2 affixes to guarantee, sure

[reef dock]

it would give you something to strive for though

[carmine smelt]

Kill uber lets you select 2 blessings xd

[simple bison]

Op af

[glass pendant]

I'm an advocate for securing determinism at a steep cost but arpg players like gamba

[simple bison]

Stop with the powercreep rofl

We're about to cap resistances naked

Lmao

[reef dock]

the loot system is inherently the gamble

[simple bison]

But yeah I think we all agree

[carmine smelt]

I'm an advocate for the steep cost when it adds agency. For example 2LP slam is 1 in 3. If you could pay something like 4x or 5x the cost to guarantee I'd like that.

[glass pendant]

Yes but I think all of the affix optimization/rerolling, and now with season 2 unique rerolling and reimprinting is enough gamba.

[glass pendant]

This is exactly what I'm talking about

[carmine smelt]

For non build defining rolls you can take the gamba. For critical rolls that you would rip your hair out if you miss then you pay the cost

[glass pendant]

I wanna drop 200 havocs to hit my 3lp

[simple bison]

Yeah same. But what you pay with is important too imo, I don't think it should be something boring like runes personally. Having it make you have to fight T5 Julra that costs a special resource that you gotta farm up to fight, which is obviously way bigger scope but I think that's the best way to do it

[glass pendant]

I'm probably the biggest fan of season 2, I don't know of a single other update in any game that reinvented the game in such an impactful way and I've been playing games for over 2 decades

Crazy crazy mechanics

[carmine smelt]

You get a Dust of the Chronomancer when you destroy uniques. More dust for higher rarity / LPL. Destroy a 2LP RR gives enough dust to guarantee several less rare uniques

[simple bison]

Sure I wouldn't mind that either

[glass pendant]

Disenchanting for currency is a mechanic I love

WoW pilled I know.

[simple bison]

Woven echo for the disenchanter

[carmine smelt]

It also gives COF players an opportunity for dopamine on giga rare drops that they personally don't care about

[glass pendant]

And technically it already exists for set items

[carmine smelt]

Like my 3lp razorfall

[simple bison]

Yeah could give currency based on lp and lpl

[glass pendant]

Bricking 3lp razorfalls is season quit worthy let's be honest

Craving more determinism

[simple bison]

Disenchant them and never worry about it <3

Tell yourself it would've hit

[carmine smelt]

Yeah exactly. Gain based on LPL cost based on LPL

Now slamming 1LP RR is more expensive than 1LP kestral

[glass pendant]

It would also make Uber farming way more fun. Trash rolled 2lp shattered worlds? No problem gimme the currency

[carmine smelt]

Which adds back some progression curve

[simple bison]

That's a good suggestion, you should post it lul

[carmine smelt]

At some point I'll just make a video

I've thought about this a lot

I also want to be able to put rares in nemesis egg

[glass pendant]

And think of all of the clickbait content with such a mechanic "I played last epoch season 5 as a lunatic" with a thumbnail of disenchanting a 2lp red ring

Boom there's your content easy

[carmine smelt]

I also have a shitty rolled 3LP unstable core

That I can't use and probably won't ever be able to reroll

[glass pendant]

Give it to kuden with resonance and give him 2 business days. You'll get it back 4lp max rolled with complimentary champagne

[carmine smelt]

Lmao yeah sometimes I think I'm pretty tryhard

But then I look at some other folks and I look casual

[glass pendant]

I gave up this season because I'm sick of the trove map, I'm waiting out new content

[carmine smelt]

I'll strongly consider just doing standard until we have season content

I always end up grinding the same items with the same slams for mage

Just to make my build video

[glass pendant]

Legacy might be the play unironically...

[reef dock]

Legacy has always been the play 😉

[glass pendant]

slept on I swear

[reef dock]

I blame PoE

[glass pendant]

It's just cool to just look up global and randomly join someone trying to get past a gear check

[reef dock]

you still see that now and then in legacy

[glass pendant]

feels like everyone is roided up

[reef dock]

at this point in the patch cycle, yeah

but even yesterday I saw people needing help for killing regular aberroth for the first time

[hallow scroll]

Now that I have so many high lvl alts and gear legacy is the play

[glass pendant]

I've raid led and been a guild officer in MMOs before and I miss the sense of "helping out newer players get stuff"

Because then they'll be ready to do the content you're doing faster

[reef dock]

this game kinda punishes one player or the other for playing with a large gap

[glass pendant]

Definitely

And parties of similar power are insane

[reef dock]

either the jacked player loses drops by playing low corruption, or the weak player gets rekt at high corruption

[carmine smelt]

I just realized I have like 10+ T7 int RRs across my account. And multiple 77 MS INT boots, etc. It's not like the new season has some new upgrade it's the exact same item I farm

[glass pendant]

I farmed over 60 red rings in season 2 alone, trying to help my party optimize theirs, and this season I just.. did it again

[reef dock]

this is how I play the game most of the time. I play with a buddy and it's the most fun I have in this game

[glass pendant]

I swear legacy is the play 😭

[reef dock]

join us

I've never made a seasonal character

[glass pendant]

Maybe I just like the initial push, survival games have ruined me

Season start feels like a new terraria world

Man

[reef dock]

I have more beta characters than not

[glass pendant]

I remember getting a 1lp smoke weaver and calling my dad to tell him 😭

[reef dock]

lmao what

[glass pendant]

Such innocent times

We were talking about LE way back

And I was looking for the dagger

Probably first rogue I made ever

[reef dock]

having a gamer dad is foreign to me

[glass pendant]

It really is wild I can't lie

[reef dock]

sounds kinda nice, I don't share any hobbies with my dad

[median perch]

Have you never played D2 before? 😁

[glass pendant]

Always season, D2 is so op with trade

But I did make one natural enigma

Just one 😭

[reef dock]

Putting 1k+ hours into GD really sold me on not playing season for ARPGs

[glass pendant]

I have some serious ptsd from d2. I picked up a +2 Necro 20% fcr all res health amulet and I put it up for just 3 ber and it never sold

One entire season

I was robbed off my infinity

[untold heath]

as a gamer mother, I can say it's kind of cool to have the whole family playing together (yep, my husband and both kids, son and daughter)

I killed the convo? 😁

[median perch]

It's just the choice of playstyle of an old man and life

[glass pendant]

Nah just texting while working 😭

[reef dock]

honestly jealous

[reef dock]

lmao same

[main frigate]

Jealous +1

[glass pendant]

(I'm responsible I promise)

[reef dock]

I'm a software engineer that works from home so it's very flexible for me

[main frigate]

Such a happy vibe that I never have a chance to enjoy. Hope your kids will enjoy games forever.

These happy memories will become the best weapon for your kids to against any troubles in the future

[untold heath]

I am sure they will. they are old enough to live on their own now, youngest moved out this summer.

[glass pendant]

One of the people in my LE party is my brother and whenever we push, we gotta plan ahead for us to both be free to casually "do 120 conquered towers"

Can't happen if either of us is working

[main frigate]

that's so cool... I want a family like yours

[untold heath]

my husband and I both play the frog builds... having 20 frogs is insane 😄

[glass pendant]

Uber with 2 falconers and 4 smoke bombs active at the same time, for like 50 maps in a row

GPU killer

[reef dock]

beastmaster w/ frenzy totem & wolf howl is nuts with a VK. Even more op if you can get smoke blades in there too

[glass pendant]

Any combination of VK/BM/Falc breaks both the game and your graphics card

I'm at 120 fps inside monos and I drop to 50 in a party

[reef dock]

it's honestly so lame that they nerf drops for non-host on aberroth

[untold heath]

what's VK?

[calm jay]

Void Knight?

[glass pendant]

They did the same for timeline bosses now

No drops I'd you don't have stability

If*

[reef dock]

means I can only do Uber solo, which I can do without issue, but it's not my preferred way to play

[north heath]

Would be too easy to break drops by grouping

[reef dock]

imo who cares

[glass pendant]

I'm glad you still get havocs

[reef dock]

party play optimization is pretty fun, but completely discouraged by the game

[glass pendant]

I'm on with aurabots not existing to be honest

Ok*

[untold heath]

I have tried a warpath void knight but had serious mana issues

[reef dock]

Try rive VK

[north heath]

You really need the nde that gives you mana when you get low.

[untold heath]

did you delete the other you said? I just wanted to reply and can't find it anymore... but yes you are roughly right

[untold heath]

yes that was better but I didn't play it much more after that, started something else instead. was last season.

[glass pendant]

This was probably my least favorite change this season

[untold heath]

I have not killed uber yet at all

[glass pendant]

Frogs are bonkers, you have plenty of time till December

With a little gear you'll make it

[untold heath]

the different guides confuse me

[north heath]

I just went bear eq and he fell over without even finishing my lp2s

[untold heath]

eq?

[north heath]

Earthquake

[glass pendant]

Frog isn't bear but it's very strong

Sub 2 min killer

[dense shale]

I have a cold Saber and he's a champ

[north heath]

Yeah, i dabbled with frogs but the best thing about bear is how frequently he stuns uberabby

[glass pendant]

I just can't stand bear for mapping

So slow

[dense shale]

saber is fast for mapping

[glass pendant]

I play falconer, my mapping standards are a little inflated admittedly

[untold heath]

sorry guys, I have back pains and should lie down a bit, would love to talk more but back says no 🙁 bbl

[north heath]

Yeah, im making a paladin shield thrower for mapping

Farm everything except towers and uber on the pally and bear for bosses

[dense shale]

Part of what i liked about grimdawn. The game rewards survivability over clear speed

Nemesis mobs in GD aren't able to be deleted. They are nice long fights and you have to have survivability to take them down.

[glass pendant]

My only issue with GD is that I'm tired of purple sets

[dense shale]

My issue is I'm tired of 50+ hours of campaign lol

[glass pendant]

I like the campaign

But the itemization is very d3 outside of monster infrequents

You build around set bonuses

And that's a little stale

[median perch]

Im still doing campaign each season few times

[dense shale]

Someone was in my channel?

[whole storm]

the campaign isnt that long

[dense shale]

Heard the sound of someone leave but never heard anyone join...

[glass pendant]

My favorite part of GD by far is the materials and how it makes the world feel relevant

It's what I wish LE had

[median perch]

Yeah, too much bug ... So hard to keep them

[dense shale]

Yeah, having to hunt down specific types of monsters to get crafting ingredients was fun

[glass pendant]

Yeah it was so cool

[dense shale]

Their new expansion comes out in the next few months. Adding a shape shifter class

[glass pendant]

More importantly it adds target farming which means double rare MIs won't be one in 2k anymore

I'm willing to bet it was inspired by LE's imprints to some extent

[calm jay]

Honest to God I don't even know where more than one dungeon is. And I only know that one dungeon cuz a quest walks you right up to the door

[dense shale]

Sheer curiosity, have you played Hero siege

[glass pendant]

It's the only 2D one I haven't played due to the devs' questionable reputation

I've played chronicon and slormancer though

[dense shale]

Haha. What part about them is questionable

[glass pendant]

It's quite a long discussion and this isn't the place 🙏

[dense shale]

They're one of the only developers I've actually had a direct conversation with.

3 or 4 of the changes and QOL additions I mentioned even got added this current season. Even so, point of me asking wasn't that. They definitely take inspiration for a lot of their game from other games. But the thing is, they don't hide it. They will straight tell you "Yeah, we thought it was a good idea so we made our own version"

[glass pendant]

They do do that a little too much. Aren't some runes directly named after D2 runes with similar symbols as well

[median perch]

I started playing from version 1.1, but it wasn't until the port charm appeared that I first reached the Soulfire Dungeon

[glass pendant]

Kuden you're unnerfable

You make me look casual

[median perch]

Let me recall, a month before the first season I played ended, a friend who quit the game gave me over 4bil gold, and I spent 10 hours a day in Lightless Arbor to use it all up

The greatest thing I got from that gold was probably an Eye of Reen 3lp with a perfect roll. I gave it to a new friend from Brazil... After that, he moved to PoE2 and never came back

[calm jay]

The real Last Epoch really was the friends we made along the way.

[pastel summit]

If there's one thing this game teaches you... there is no free will, only oblivion, and there are no true friends.

[glass pendant]

I still have hope that orobyss is secretly julra

[main frigate]

I moved to Poe 2 too...
But I keep the access of le.

Ozymandias and Minimap, 2 Vitamin Vietnamese friends I met by le, we don't connect anymore unfortunately after they left this server.
Minimap still play Poe 2, with deadeye, but Ozym just disappeared.

Volin is another player who I met here and think it's an interesting person. Unfortunately he isn't here after EHG announced they're owned by Krafton.

Time is good thing to test lots of things...And people.

It's a neutral opinion.

[inner finch]

When LE hits the proverbial 1.0, it will be a great game

[main frigate]

I just wish EHG remember a thing, you love loot-based ARPG, it's why you're here.

Love a thing for years is quite hard because lots of things will be happened 👀

[calm jay]

I kinda struggle to think of serious criticisms for LE, but last night was my first time touching monoliths so I haven't really sunk into the core gameplay loop yet.

It is really tickling that itch of 'so anyway, I started blastin' combined with indepth character building that isn't punished for being creative. Like it wants me to split off into other classes and combine kits in various ways.

I guess other than the obvious 'they gotta bugfix things' et al, have heard there are nodes that aren't working

[knotty pond]

Wild shot: Anyone tried forge guard Manifest armor this season? 🙂

[north heath]

I was curious about this using mord spear and glove scaling to get like 700% bleed from just weapon but idk if that conversion works for MA?

Because bear exists, its probably not comparatively great, but i bet quite doable. MA used to be a great boss killer

[knotty pond]

yeah guess u rather go bear, but always been tempted by MA my self. and Im no big corruption pusher anyway. I remember I found it quite slow. But maybe try it out

feel like do the leveling again for a char is kinda sluggish not gonna lie

[willow sentinel]

It does

[willow sentinel]

I have seen a Spell Crit MA, that's was pretty nice ('nothing close to meta)
Melee Crit or Bleed MA with ST is also pretty strong

[calm jay]

My mileage on leveling varies, Sentinel and Primalist have a fairly easy time; Mage I found to have a tougher timer, haven't pushed much on Rogue or Acolyte yet

But like Sentinel just has so many options that basically do all the work for him. Vengeance is your basic bonk right out the gate, and right out the gate it has some pretty wide damage mitigation. Then you can spec it for more like 2pt in

[inner finch]

Leveling wholly depends on things like game knowledge and drops

in the Sentinel passive tree it doesnt take much connecting some passives and absolutely flying through leveling

Mostly thanks to one particular skill, but still

[south moat]

Wait, which skill?

[calm jay]

I'm guessing we're talking Smite, which is just like

Ranged, can shift elements, has a heal attached, big damage mod node in its tree like two points out from the start

Warpath is also very goofy with a similarly easy path

It's not that other classes can't or that gear doesn't play a role, they just have powerful options early on

well, IMO, and where leveling thru the campaign is concerned

[inner finch]

HH

You wanna talk about a skill that can do everything in every hit, that would be Healing Hands

[south moat]

Ah, right

[calm jay]

Why not both, HH has a cast-on-cast for Smite too!

[inner finch]

It can work, sure, if you really like smite

[north heath]

Smite one of the best abilities imo. Auto targets, big dams, gotta love it

[calm jay]

I am very biased to Paladin, haha

And Paladin do be involving Smite

But yeah HH will do it all. HP and Ward on hit makes it a stonky defensive tool

[inner finch]

we're past the real glory days of HH, and shoutout to divine bolt

still the most goated skill in LE

[calm jay]

Mmmm, boltin'.

[inner finch]

There used to be a healing hand meta where you would just shoot auto-targeting holy bolts all across the screen, and it was beautiful

and it was also busted mechanically to the point of being nerfed

one of many healing hands nerfs lol

[glass pendant]

I enjoyed s1's dev orb/smite autobomber

it was so silly

[inner finch]

EHG glossed over a mechanic with the original divine bolts, where every enemy on screen cause another wave of bolts to shoot

so 3 enemies would cause 9 bolts, and 5 enemies would make it 25, you can do the math from there

it was glorious

I believe Divine Bolts build can still crack through Corruption 500, it was never really weak

its just not as busted as Judgement is

[calm jay]

Judgement is a hot final skill in a tree

[pulsar carbon]

Uh... anyone unable to login to Last Epoch itself? I'm getting the Steam Cnnection Required error

[kindred oak]

anyone got problem with steam cloud out of date?

[pulsar carbon]

I think there might be a Steam outage

Yup, SteamDB reporting an outage

Oh it might be the routine Tuesday maintenance...

[simple bison]

Bingo

[torpid jacinth]

is it ward retention that affects your "max ward" level? or is it a combination of retention and ward per second generation?

[hallow basin]

It's a combo of a few things. They all play together to determine at what point you lose ward at the same rate you generate it, and you'd be stable at that number https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

[torpid jacinth]

oh damn its quite complex

[round lake]

My friend provoked by me just completed entire campain with nude (no armours or weapon) with only healing hands. We call him jesus now

[torpid jacinth]

my current ward "max" is 1241

ill bookmark that thank you

[glass pendant]

shadow daggers next

[hollow tinsel]

is there a cheat sheet of which monoliths contain which types of enemies?
i mostly want to know for e.g. diamond matron prophecies

[grave hornet]

gg was a good season, see you all s4

3

♥

[torpid jacinth]

Can you use both convergence and divergence in the lightning blast tree? Will divergence just give the spell a flat damage buff when used in conjunction with divergence or does it end up being a waste of a perk point

[autumn briar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/copy?usp=sharing

prophecy events tab

[hollow tinsel]

thank you

[torpid jacinth]

Wow i really should not have saved Lagon's harbringers to be one of my later ones

[torpid jacinth]

Is throne of ambition good? 🤔

[stoic dew]

I think it's good for caster type builds

[torpid jacinth]

🎶

crap i dont have my own emotes

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

[short vessel]

Do you do cold or fire damage and hit often? Then it's good

Tbh it's pretty good even with boosting your damage if idols aren't super critical for your build

Up to 40% more armor isn't to be sneesed at

[torpid jacinth]

Awesome! I’m playing a frost mage with lightning blast as my primary single target spell so I’ve got hits galore XD

Speaking of which, do you know if it’s good to take convergence and divergence together? Or does one render the other useless

[dry sedge]

Hey

[supple steppe]

how is everyone doing

[tired river]

They do not work together

[torpid jacinth]

Is the +2 to damage worth it in that case

[tired river]

+2? Not sure I follow

Oh I see

Forgot divergence even had that lol. No it's not worth it at all

That's +flat damage so it's additive with the base damage and added damage from your weapon, and other sources. Flat damage is good, but that amount is absolutely miniscule.

[main frigate]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eterra-monthly-november-2024-edition/74445

🥴 ....Well. Fritz Dittmer left EHG. Sorry to hear that so much. That was his interview...

I still no idea how an environment artist become a technical environment artist, of course. Because I even no access/no chances for being an environment artist.

I believe he will be best on luck with the aura of EHG.

Senior xxxx title in a company = will not lack of job chances

[silk wolf]

Does timeline impact nemesis loot table?

[willow sentinel]

Nope

[outer lily]

What's the difference between #1210281911872786482 and #1210282176680169562? 🤔
Isn't that synonymous?

[south moat]

no?
feedback is when you want to say stuff like "hey this thing doesn't feel good" etc
and suggestions is what you'd like to see in the game

[willow sentinel]

They could be linked, like
I don't like xxxx>I feel like yyyy would be better

[south moat]

That too

[severe socket]

Doesn't look good at all.

What do I know though...

[main frigate]

What things doesn't look good at all?

[willow sentinel]

I guess someone leaving the company 🤷

Btw how do you know they left?

[glass pendant]

I don't understand what part of the post indicates they left

[simple bison]

It doesn't. They were just linking their interview from 2024 for context as to who they are

[main frigate]

linkedin

[glass pendant]

Thanks, I read through the entire thing twice and I was like what

[willow sentinel]

Same 😅

Let me put ony tinfoil hat

I am sure they left because of the Krafton acquisition

They didn't want to bow down before our new Korean overlords

Because leaving a company is smth that never happen

[main frigate]

#📚┃off-topic message

It's what he said for "goodbye, EHG, thank you"

[torpid jacinth]

are arena keys worth using at endgame?

[simple bison]

Not really

[torpid jacinth]

thats a shame

What is the lightless arbor exactly?

[severe socket]

Gold sink.

[severe socket]

The fact that EHG staff leaves.

Wonder what was the cause.

[torpid jacinth]

What do you get out of it?

[severe socket]

And whether it's connected to krapton in any way or not.

[severe socket]

Whatever you choose in the Vault.

[torpid jacinth]

🎶

dammit i keep forgetting i dont have my emotes

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

[simple bison]

People come and go from all companies, it's not like there's a mass Exodus or something.

[severe socket]

I never had any in the first place so I wouldn't know the struggle 😅

[severe socket]

Thing is, we would never know even if there was an exodus.

[simple bison]

We would know

[severe socket]

Ya think?

[simple bison]

I'm sure of it

[severe socket]

We never knew about the krapton merger until Judd dropped the shell.

And it was after the deal has been sealed.

[glass pendant]

So they did leave after all

[simple bison]

Most ehg employees have public profiles. It's not a secret that they're employed there and it likely won't be a secret if they leave

[glass pendant]

I think the timing of the interview is a little weird then, given the timing

Especially the creative process part

[simple bison]

The interview was last year

[glass pendant]

I know I mean, the timing of the entire post, since it doesn't imply that all of that is a thing of the past

[main frigate]

😅 ...Sorry. The purpose of that interview is let you know who he is if you don't know

[glass pendant]

Yes exactly

I agree

"meet an artist" is a bit of a moot point if... You know

[main frigate]

moot point?

[simple bison]

What?

[glass pendant]

Like the point of the post is to look under the hood of the creative process of someone who's no longer there

Idk how to better word it

[simple bison]

But it was posted last year when they were here

So it was relevant back then

[glass pendant]

??? Is that not a current eterra monthly, oh wow, I should've read the rest of the post because I jumped straight down to the interview 😭

[simple bison]

I said it was posted last year like 3 times to you lmfao

[main frigate]

lol

[glass pendant]

I thought just the interview part 😭

I skimmed through it and I was like okay mike teasers I'll read that later, let me see what's going on

Man 💔

[main frigate]

Sorry to break your dream

[simple bison]

You had me questioning my sanity ngl

[glass pendant]

Tbf I didn't expect kirra to drop something older just for comparison's sake 😓

[main frigate]

I wish Wick can bring us to meet more artists in EHG too

He didn't do an interview with any concept artists yet

[outer lily]

Surely Lagon won't one shot me with 14% Cold + Lightning res 💀

[median perch]

Newbie slayer

[outer lily]

Eh, he was fine on my first character (Paladin).
Though going from leveling Sentinel/Paladin to Acolyte/Necromancer does make me wonder where all my free resistances went 😄

[main frigate]

How damage from random champions going for a new character?

[outer lily]

I'm unsure what you mean. How squishy I feel vs champions?

[main frigate]

yes

[outer lily]

Not squishy at all, though they usually die in 2 seconds.
I'm speaking of campaign Lagon btw, not the Monolith version. Playing through campaign with my Necromancer rn.

[main frigate]

do you remember which chapter you're in when you met the 1st champion?

[outer lily]

I don't, I'd guess 1 though?

[main frigate]

You're pretty well to deal with a champion in chapter 1 without any overpowered weapons?

[outer lily]

It just takes longer 🤷‍♀️

[main frigate]

Ok I give champions in le one more chance

[regal finch]

the damage was bugged for a few patches, it's fixed now. previously it was a gamble to survive just one hit, now it's guaranteed you'll survive several

[hoary urchin]

?

[outer lily]

Turns out, 1500 Ward + Abomination come in quite handy when you're fighting a boss with 14% ele res 😆

[median perch]

It is a dual-type damage skill, and one of them is DoT

[outer lily]

He exploded pretty fast. The hardest part was the arena phase where one of those waves hit me for like 600

[median perch]

He will let you know when he casts the skill

[outer lily]

The beam?

Pretty avoidable

[median perch]

If he moves you down to the square, just run to the bottom corner and command your minions

[outer lily]

Edge of the arena doesn't seem like the best positioning vs waves you wanna avoid

[median perch]

I used that method with my zerohp Ballista character, able to completely AFK while waiting for my minions to clear his tentacles

[glass pendant]

Wish general perms weren't exploitable

But that's the world we live in

[outer lily]

#📚┃off-topic message

@median perch You mean here?

[median perch]

Oh campaign map

[outer lily]

yes lol

[median perch]

I haven't encountered any issues with Lagon in the campaign

So, I don’t know any tricks for this case 😆

[willow sentinel]

I haven't done campaign Lagon is so long

Probably years now

[outer lily]

Didn't even know he had a different arena

[outer lily]

Is replaying campaign for each season not a thing?

[willow sentinel]

Oh I am starting fresh every season

But I stop the campaign around Heobora

Go to monos

Grab a Temporal dungeon key

[outer lily]

around who?

[willow sentinel]

Do the dungeon

And finish act 9

[willow sentinel]

Heobora

The cold city

In divine era

[outer lily]

Ah

Is that shorter, or just a preference thing?

[willow sentinel]

Shorter

And I don't like the Lagon part

[outer lily]

Aren't you level 30-something at that point?

[willow sentinel]

Bit more I believe

I want to say 40 ish

[outer lily]

and monos?

[willow sentinel]

60-smth I believe

[outer lily]

Is that not an issue?

[willow sentinel]

Nope

You can be powerful enough

[outer lily]

I do feel powerful for the stage I'm at, though I don't think it's doing lv 60 maps levels of powerful lol

[knotty pond]

try, you would be suprised 🙂

[willow sentinel]

Also I play SC, so don't care if I die a few times here and there