💬┃general

[heady bough]

Ice Barrage is one of my favorite day 1 builds 👀

[bitter stump]

in the detailed tooltip it lists frenzy for allies and frailty/slow/other stuff on enemies

[short vessel]

woah

[open night]

solo-Abom requires zero gear, but you walk around as a helpless little squishmallow while this hulking mass of stank and souls rips everything apart

[heady bough]

Who abuses Legends Entwined the best? It looks absurdly strong for...something, but im way too noob to figure it out

[steel mesa]

probably mage, vilatria is absurdly strong when you don't need a staff anymore

[south moat]

Oh yea, I didn't even think about Vilatria

[heady bough]

Could fit invoker in, if it's worth it

[tribal estuary]

did attunement get nerfed? i swear it used to give 4 mana per point but it gives 2 on le tools

[south moat]

Just checked in game and it's saying +2 mana

[proud forum]

@All: Hey, can someone explain how storage works once the season ends? My char on the Season Realm is a total mess, while my chars on the Legacy Realm are nicely organized. How does the transfer with S3 work?

[open night]

Ok, did a quick cook of the solo-Abom build:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5rRlLB

Essentially, you juice the Abomination up by insane amounts by giving it all of your Skeleton (Rogue/Mages), Bone Golem and Wraith minions.
You can reach Abom's base 20 minion max buff from speccing into Summon Skeleton only, and taking the relevant passives.

Then, because you have sacrificed all those types, your Abom gets massive speed and damage buffs from Engorgement and Death in the Family.
Because you have sacrificed 9 Seketal Rogues, your Abom also has 180% chance to poison, keep this in mind.

You run just one minion, making juiced perma-Dread Shade with the Lone Watcher and All for One nodes a no-brainer.
You also take all the flat necrotic damage the tree can give you, and turn that into poison chance; granting 110% chance to poison, for now a total of 290%.

Investing fully into the Dominion of Rot and Rotting Army passives grants your minions an additional 112% chance to poison, getting Abom to 402%.

Now it all comes together; all of the damage buffs Abom has been getting are for generic damage, thus including poison.
The Noxious Stench node from Abom gives it the Aura of Rot which poisons itself and enemies around it, based on its chance to poison at 25% effectiveness.
That Aura poisons the Abom once, and enemies 4 times per second, and at 402% chance to poison at 25% effectiveness this turns into 2 poison stacks on Abom, and 8 on enemies. Per second-
Additionally, with all the attack speed buffs you've been giving it as well, it now has 166% increased attack speed, in a massive cleave attack.

As the cherry on top; the Forbidden Teachings passive grants minions 1% more DoT per your Vitality. Stack that with gear for tankyness and damage.

[slow cloud]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Necromancer (62) / Lich (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,481, Regen: 49.6/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 21 Int / 2 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 5% / 5% / 5% / 5% / 69% / 80%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 296
▸ Armor Mitigation: 4% (81)

Used skills:

Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination

[south moat]

They'll be moved to legacy in remove only stash
you'll have to do something that they're visible though @proud forum
also trying to ping at all / everyone doesn't work here.

ah yea it was merge the stash

[frosty shard]

will this convert to generic chance though ? eg will 100% chance to poison on melee hits become 100% chance to bleed on hit or on melee hit ?

[steel mesa]

invoker or ferebor for the extra skill point isn't bad yeah

[open night]

Good guestion, I think going from already existing mechanics, that it keeps it in its own type, but idk for sure

[steel mesa]

would be sad to lose red ring tho

[elfin wharf]

any characters you guys thinking about before the season starts

[open night]

The necro I posted earlier is a big contender for me-

[elfin wharf]

yeah that looks cool!

i wanna do a proper primalist like

i wanna be a good shaman

[main frigate]

👀 Shaman? It's a coincidence. The last character I played is shaman

Have played thunder totem one only, though

[gentle vessel]

70% endurance with one t8

Shame you can't have one t8 affix and one primordial unique

You can turn your wolves into squirrels and get 2x of them???

I love this game

[slow cloud]

Druid, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (20) / Druid (55)

General:

▸ Health: 4,680, Regen: 44.04/s
▸ Mana: 869.26, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 145 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 12% / 36% / 74% / 73% / 65% / 63% / 41%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,452
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (12)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 71% (6,367)
▸ Block Chance: 23%, Mitigation: 25% (375)

Used skills:

Eterra's Blessing / Spriggan Form / Maelstrom

[runic oyster]

hey guys

if ur underleveled and empower a nemesis you can get sealed t6/7

so what if u use that mechanic with the new primordial spear

[pearl sandal]

Works just fine with new spear

Can have T7/T7//sealT7 and still count

[tribal estuary]

on le tools how do you see the associated skills again? e.g. blood eruption for flay on lich

[obsidian jacinth]

Need to figure out if i want to go bm or necro

[nocturne gate]

im thinking about doing lich

[gentle vessel]

Endurance: 295%. Mhhh

[nocturne gate]

lol

[gentle vessel]

Maybe I ditch the doggos and swap to dragos

Err wait, it's a trex

Not a dragon

Tyrant's Skull is just such a cool item

[main frigate]

Alright, I confirm my 1.3 necromancer build finally. Poison damage is too tricky so I go back to necrotic damage

A bit like #❔┃ask-the-community message

[pastel bone]

Hi guys, I never played the primalist class, what skill is good for leveling into beast master?

[night marten]

wolves are fine

and swipe

[pastel bone]

Thanks

[primal island]

can we have the poison conversion back to rip blood? pretty plz?

[main frigate]

Horn of the wisp: Intelligence bonus, skill level bonus (1 hand weapon)
Usuper's mandate: minion necrotic penetration, health bonus (2 hands weapon)
Scales of Lemniscate: Minion necrotic penetration, dread shade's buff, health bonus (2 hands weapon)

Which one is the best weapon for necrotic melee abomination necromancer?

[fast thicket]

I think usuper?
I might be wrong, but remember that what all the builds in s2 suggests

[south moat]

Horn looks kinda nice
also allows for shield or catalyst

[steel sentinel]

wolves, swipe, leap will be your bread and butter pretty much forever and you get all of them very early

[steel sentinel]

dragon raptor pack led by a T rex?

[outer hearth]

hmmmm

the patchnotes didn't buff hearseeker

sadge

[gentle vessel]

I'm building bleed squirrels now

"1% more Tyrannosaur Health and Damage per 1% Uncapped Endurance"

And

"When your Tyrannosaur roars it grants your other minions +25 Physical Damage with Spells and Attacks and the bonuses it gains from this item are applied to them at 20% effectiveness"

Getting some "what if time rot stacked to 999" vibes

[pearl sandal]

Eh time rot had 3 different mores stacking to the 200-400 range each easily, while this endurance one is probably only around 40-50 and a single more

[gentle vessel]

300% endurance is pretty easy

300/5 * 8 squirrles, idk how many you can really get

[rare flint]

Do you guys think there a way of making a beastmaster dragon raptor + t-rex build work? Its different elements.

[tough frost]

sorry, late reply. yes, very fragile. What do summoners normally do in LE for sustain and defense?

[night marten]

prolly wouldnt really use t-rex for damage, just buffing...more just naals/hakar maybe. you could ask down in #🐺┃primalist a lot more specialized knowledge down there

[rare flint]

Okay thanks for the answer!

[acoustic palm]

Oh damn, I see builds already popping

[inner finch]

Its that time again

[inner finch]

Heartseeker has additions and buffs without strictly a direct damage number change

Its really important to clarify this in this chat like 18 times a day lol, just because your favorite skill doesn't appear on the patch notes, it doesn't mean gearing for it and playing it will remain unchanged in Season 3. Its most likely it will have significant changes because of the new systems

[grand atlas]

Is it possible to play the same char online and offline? For example, online at home but offline in a plane travel

[tribal estuary]

tbf that new unique bow is basically a buff

heartseeker seems to be the best spell to cast off it

[timber tree]

When’s season 3 again ??

[light jasper]

21th

[glacial tartan]

can someone help me get the tp to the observatory?

[tribal estuary]

not really since if an online char is moved to offline they cant ever be made online again

but you can realistically just dupe the character in offline

[vivid ferry]

so since when they changed word Cycle to Season?
first one was unique to ARPGs, second one its just generic everyone using
shame

[ripe sun]

Last season. Cycle seems to have been incredibly confusing for most people

[strange umbra]

good morning 🙂

T-4 DAYS!

woooo

[inner finch]

I started playing cookie clickers with anticipation (no, really)

Numbers go up is a state of mind

[fast thicket]

do you ppl plan on going to mono after act 7, or finish the campaign and then mono?

[ripe sun]

I respect it. No one can shame another for their flow state. Some face down Uberroth and hear music. Others feel like time slows. Dj? Dj begins to see cookie clicker behind the eyelids. That's when you know they're locked in.

[inner finch]

📈

[south moat]

Good morning Muffin

[strange umbra]

[slim smelt]

could you explain more? sounds fun would like to try it

[fast thicket]

i think + stacking int and dex, for harvest and blood rip auto proc

[tidal heart]

Anyone here not playing Lich on league start? Seems like 99% of discords I pop in almost everyone is going to be playing Lich.

[strange umbra]

minions of some flavor for me - all day every day

[tidal heart]

Nice

I got a feeling this is gonna be season 2 again with everyone playing acolyte instead of sentinel this time haha which is fine it’s the rework class

[loud fable]

I'll say it for you: damn people really be sheep playing the new thing cuz its new 😂

I disagree. In a game like this, you can do whatever you want, and you're not impacting anyone. Happy to be a sheep 👍

Any sheep in chat? 🐑

[winter mauve]

what was the rework or class focus in season 2?

in terms of s2 changes

[tidal heart]

I was thinking that as I finish making my lich build in last epoch tools

I’m playing Melee Kayn build and will kill ubberoth with it, idc if it’s damage is bad

[knotty oracle]

is the mage leveling build guide in maxroll from Terek still viable for S3 ? as it was updated last in april

[tidal heart]

No I’m saying I don’t really blame the people for that, why wouldn’ majority of the player base only play the one class mainly changed

[steep river]

Probably, there weren't very many mage changes in the Season 3 patch notes. Just some Runic Invocation changes. https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-beneath-ancient-skies-patch-notes/78635/4#mage-1
I imagine they'll also be poking all of those guides closer to launch and updating as needed.

[knotty oracle]

what classes got buffed ?

[hallow grove]

Is there a way I can get invite permission to this server? Trying to invite my friends on discord, keeps saying retry

[steep river]

There were changes to Lich, Necromancer, and some Primalist minions. There were numerous balance changes to various skills for all classes, although Mage had the least changes overall.

[steep river]

Try sending them the discord invite: https://discord.gg/lastepoch

This server has discord links only allowed in #1361743745116016780 channel, if you were trying to post an invite link in a different channel

[outer hearth]

one unique won't change the skill by alot its still gonna be trash damage on uber abberoth

[outer hearth]

hydra bow?

that bow looks dog

just better to have a t8 bow at that point

with another t7

a t8 will be a power of two t7's

so a t8 and t7 would mean a triple t7 bow with that uber abberoth might be killable

but probably gonna go paladin with the new ammy that converts damage types to physical

[hallow grove]

Thanks, I was trying to invite them through DM

[outer hearth]

with blossom of immortal stone 5k corrupt maybe possible on paladin

[fast thicket]

muffin qustion about t8 if you know, how the % roll is detarminet?
as i guess you cant rr it as it fixed
like if its depandet on how much it was before it rolled into t8, or roll at the moment of t7>t8

[tribal estuary]

its definitly not, +4 to dex skills and a lot of flat with good rolls, more than reign of winter

[outer hearth]

2LP on reign is farmable

but hydra bow 2LP

might be very hard to get

not worth a slot

the new primordial ammy is interesting tho

truesight glass

with 2LP winter with double t7

[glass pendant]

It's not good enough for a primordial slot imo, it tries to be everything

The poison implicit is dog

[outer hearth]

yea its trash

[glass pendant]

And apparently the first interaction with the dex threshold that works on the same target is getting a 50% mana cost

[outer hearth]

• levels of skills is not great

[glass pendant]

+skills will be easy to get this patch, it was easy last patch too

[outer hearth]

on heartseeker

[glass pendant]

Not enough to justify it

It's a shame I had such high hopes for a giga bow

[outer hearth]

truesight glass doesnt even look that great too

afterall its an ammy slot

[glass pendant]

The non primo amulet does though

It's nihilis with endurance

And no health

Also has all res

[late plank]

Are the new MTX pack not availablable until next week?

[glass pendant]

All res will be more important now with all the idol nerfs

[glass pendant]

Yeah they will be on season launch but you can buy them prior

[late plank]

Yeha thats what im saying, i bought it

[glass pendant]

Gotta wait 😔

[late plank]

oh :/

[outer hearth]

there is a non primordial ver?

[glass pendant]

I don't remember the name check tunk

[compact dawn]

Really hope there is a primordial version of Firestarter's Torch...

[glass pendant]

There are no primordial versions of existing uniques, they're separate items

And they're all on the online planner sites you can check them already

tunklab has a section tab that shows only the new stuff

[compact dawn]

aww.... 🙁

thought they were upgraded versions of uniques...

well never mind, wildfire amulet looks like a solid upgrade to my builid idea anyways 😛

[glass pendant]

Yeah it's one of the stronger ones people are talking about

Enables a lot ignite builds

Ignite hs is currently under investigation

[outer hearth]

the new gloves are literally Haemophilia from poe

[glass pendant]

I hate on kill effects, they're useless for bossing

[pulsar geyser]

season cant come fast enough!!

[glass pendant]

Nor will it 😔

[compact dawn]

thicket of blinding light looks like it enables a potentionally solid reflect build

[steep river]

Probably like all the regular Forge crafting in that it randomly selects a value within the affix range. It's possible that Glyph of Order may help, unsure. And yes you can't change the T8 affix after using Evolution as it makes the T8 affix a second Sealed. This is also noted on the Rune "..moving it to its own second sealed affix slot. The affix cannot be modified further."

[void patio]

Tldr/w - are woven echoes and tree going core for S3?

[glass pendant]

Yes and expanded upon too

3 new ones for rift beasts

[outer hearth]

those gloves might be very strong with bleed heartseeker

but only for fast clear

but clearing temples fast generates alot of redrings still

[glass pendant]

feels like bleed will be stronger on falconer, hs will have a lot of ignite support since burning daggers also proc it 100% base

[compact dawn]

Hydra arc turning bow users to D4 spiritborn dodge spam build

[strong thunder]

Hi, I would like to ask about the new season... Does anyone know if the content from the second season will remain and content from the third season will be added? Because the Woven Echoes islands were fun and it would be a shame if they were no longer in the game.

[outer hearth]

falconer doesn't have heartseeker tho

[glass pendant]

They are all baseline

[glass pendant]

yeah bleed, not bleed hs

All the trees have bleed tech

The problem is not enough multipliers

[outer hearth]

idk how fast falconer is at clear speed

[glass pendant]

Bleed falconer? Ehh

Not the best

[visual notch]

is snapshotting fixed in new season?

[outer hearth]

then its dumb

[glass pendant]

We'll see what tech this season unlocks

[outer hearth]

the 1st build I play is clearspeed then with the gold I made from red rings

I build my 2nd char

[glass pendant]

Warlock might have giga clear for temples

[strong thunder]

Do you guys have some specific method to fast level to lvl 90 so you can actually start end game build? Is it doable for example in the 1st 5 hours?

[outer hearth]

never played warlock

I doubt many can compare to the clear of heartseeker

[glass pendant]

clear wise warpath should be king

[outer hearth]

hell nah

when those lizards spawn

u gotta kill them super fast

otherwise u are wasting alot of time

with warpath u gotta be close to the enemy

[glass pendant]

You might be underestimating just how hard void warpath hits lol

[outer hearth]

also its about gearing

i am not sure what level of gear u need for void warpath

[compact dawn]

even forged weapon warpath has good clear speed

[pulsar geyser]

so that unique for frog companions anyone think of murlocs from WoW?

or am i just weird lol

[pulsar geyser]

yes!!! xD

[main frigate]

@severe socket which build will you play as the first build in 1.3?

[inner finch]

oddly enough, there's already an ARPG with this companion

Murkgoblin Blizzcon 2015 ticket pet

[spark gorge]

is there a list of the released new uniques somewhere?

[inner finch]

pinned comment

[heady bough]

have we seen the frogs anywhere?

[broken siren]

im so hyped for LE season 3 I'm not sure what to do in the meantime

[steep river]

I don't believe so. edit: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[modest elbow]

does summon volatile zombies count as a fire skill since the zombies have the fire tag?

[reef socket]

cant wait for the usual hours of complaining about not being able to connect on thursday ;-;

[grave hornet]

any rogue enjoyer out there? with theorycraft (i only see lich and necro builds on twitch and youtube xd)

[south moat]

Pretty much anything rogue currently should work
outside of specific falconeer stuff

[tall otter]

clean, laundry, dishes, stock up on snacks and stuff, clean up PC desk or wherever you play, build a poop bucket

[night marten]

yeah...lich and necro and bm are the flavors of the month. they got all the new stuff. you could also try down in #🔪┃rogue

[broken siren]

thanks but im playing some clair obscur: expedition 33 now

[night marten]

thats a good answer

[wet mauve]

We have, it was shown in ask the devs.
They chonky

[steep river]

Thanks! Found it

[steep river]

@heady bough #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[severe socket]

No idea.

I might not even play at all, all things IRL considered.

Sorry for the late reply; I'm a puddle of a given-up goo at this point.

Thanks for asking though. You're the only person in here who has me on their radar, it seems.

[elfin wadi]

any twitch drops for the new season?

[acoustic palm]

we will see in a few days i guess

[main frigate]

I planned to play necromancer again. Shaman not reach the max level and max gears yet so I go on playing him too. Another masteries... No idea.

But I have a long list for collecting primordial unique

[willow sentinel]

Yeah, they have been announced on the forum

[elfin wadi]

can i get a link please? or is there a channel that lead to it

[wet mauve]

cool staff and cool swipe mtx

[elfin wadi]

not sure what are those but im planning to come back with the new season

[willow sentinel]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/season-3-twitch-drop-and-support-a-creator-campaign/78568

[elfin wadi]

thank you

[main frigate]

Too many noises here. I'm trying to seek the familiar ones from the turmoil

[severe socket]

🙏 😔

[wet mauve]

what happened if you don't mind me asking

[severe socket]

Just one word. Parenting.

[wet mauve]

ahhh, say no more.
Stay strong man.

[fresh tiger]

Well I gotta ask do you mean your kids or your parents?

[severe socket]

Barely hanging in there.

[wet mauve]

we're arpg players, the average age here is bound to be 30+

[severe socket]

Kid, natch. A 4.5yo tactical nuke of a boy.

Approaching strategic grade fast.

[fresh tiger]

Yeah, thats pretty understandable

[main frigate]

😂 The most active age, curious about everything on this world and want to ask what are they, make sense.

[severe socket]

My only purpose as a parent is keeping him alive...

He's already been in cast twice so far. Different body parts too.

Keeping my SO's and my own sanity is off the table by default, both of us are literally hanging by a thread.

So... yeah. LE is off the table as well.

Thank goodness I have a somehow-actually-working safe mode inside my head somewhere, otherwise I would've been a goner long ago.

[meager locust]

What faction is best merchant or circle fortune ?

[inner finch]

You wanna start a war here

[surreal onyx]

anyone know if there is new nodes on the weaver tree to boost the new mechanic?

[wet mauve]

I think they said no, but there is 3 new weaver echoes related to it.

[surreal onyx]

fair eneugh

[wet mauve]

from what I understand CoF is best if you don't plan to keep up with the market.
MG is good for league starters. But less so for legacy play.

[steep river]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-beneath-ancient-skies-patch-notes/78635/6#the-woven-12

Added four new nodes to the Weaver Tree:

• Age of Beasts: Increased Rift Beast spawn rate.
• Riven Gateway: Rift Beasts from Rifts are accompanied by other Ancient Era enemies.
• Crystal Growth: Increased chance for Rift Beasts to have Crystallized Hearts.
• Primordial Ambush: Adds a chance to be ambushed by randomly Evolved Rift Beasts.

[steep river]

You can also see where the new nodes are located on things like the LE Tools build planner.

[wet mauve]

corrected again, thanks!

[steep river]

There are also 3x new woven echoes that you mentioned.
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-beneath-ancient-skies-patch-notes/78635/3#monolith-3

Added three new Woven Echoes based around the new Rift Beast:

• Rampant Coast: Slay a rampantly evolved Rift Beast with a crystallized heart to unlock the ability to evolve your own rift beast Lineages beyond the normal limit.
• Bloodline Glade: Slay a pack of randomly evolved Rift Beast Champions to retrieve the Primordial Exalted Items they guard, each of which has a Primordial Champion Affix.
• Nesting Grove: Protect the Rift Beast Nests to spread Rift Beast encounters to surrounding echoes. Cannot add Rift Beast Encounters to Arena Echoes, Woven Echoes, or Cemeteries of the Erased. Only applies to the first attempt at each echo.

[main frigate]

oh don't know this part

[worldly venture]

how do i change my mastery again?

[steep river]

Mastery Respec. Open up the map, M key, and select End of Time in the upper right. Then Travel to The End of Time town and talk to the NPC down at the bottom, Chronomancer Lerinne. Use the "Respecialize Mastery" option to change your Mastery and reset all of your passive points.

The listed gold cost includes all of the passive points as well. No passive points are lost, but you will need to reassign them. Remember that you need at least 20 points in your base class tree to put points into any of the Mastery trees, including your selected Mastery. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/844008172640403496/1372932839896645642/image.png?ex=682dd8d8&is=682c8758&hm=d4e6eb882215427a1b917ff1fde9f9013b645d4e1ca09b119cf5b5e0cfb6e2f8&

[worldly venture]

ok

i dont get the option

[steep river]

Have you not selected a Mastery yet? If you head to the North West part of End of Time, there's a ramp that leads to the upper area where you can initially select your Mastery.

[worldly venture]

im lvl 99

[steep river]

Huh

[worldly venture]

i can only change my passive points there

[tender sparrow]

Wait is there going to be mire hype week stuff?

[night marten]

So there isnt 2 dialog options when you speak to her? One does passive, one does mastery

[steep river]

I don't know why you wouldn't be getting this option at your level.

[worldly venture]

nope

only points 4me

[night marten]

Take a SS and post it in #❔┃ask-the-community
And what build you are on

[steep river]

build should be listed in upper left corner

[azure yacht]

Go to the champions arena. Should have it there

[shut shard]

ze fuq is that abomination

[surreal onyx]

ty

[night marten]

The anuroks. The frog things from the new helm

[shut shard]

no I can read but wtf is that model

[bitter stump]

ugly ass frog

[heady bough]

beeg boi

And we can get 10 of these? I might start this lol

[steep river]

If you're not at max companions, it fills in with the Anuroks. https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwVgbALAzMQ I'm not sure about getting to 10 of them, that would be a lot of +Maximum Companion, although that item does give +2.

edit: ok 10 should be do able. Base 1, Chorus of the Anurok +2, Land Before +4 as Anuroks are minions and not companions, Beast Master +1, Nature's Embrace +1, Exemplar +1.

[wet mauve]

the item gives +2, the idol gives another +4, I think you can get another +1 or 2 from champion affixes, so that's 7 or 8 there.
Any other sources of + max companion?

[steep river]

River Champions affix is also on a Helmet. As is Artor's Legacy Helmet.

[steep river]

The Land Before idol should work, as it specifies companions and the Anuroks are minions, not companions.

[hushed kiln]

hey guys i was wondering about the new legendary executioners tithe saying 50% of all melee dmg is added as spell dmg, does this include "fire melee damage" or "frost melee damage" or any of the melee damages and if so isn't like a double t7 melee dmg roll on that dual wielded gonna be absolutely insane? if anyone can answer this or wants to discuss this build please msg me

[wet mauve]

Yeah, and with beastmaster you get 2 as a start. So with the helm and idol that's 8.

[wet mauve]

exemplar and nature's embrace passives.
That's 10 companions

[steep river]

There you go!

[keen ravine]

If aura of decay is converted to cold or phys, do the vulnerability and fume weaver nodes reduce cold or phys resist?

if so it could be insane for hit builds

[rancid pulsar]

"All if its effects related to poison (...) are converted to [type]" so absolutely yes

[keen ravine]

that 100% seems unintentional

[rancid pulsar]

idk about insane but it's definitely a tool in your toolkit

I wouldn't say that

[stoic frigate]

That reads as literally the most intentional you can get?

[keen ravine]

i mean all the other effects are dot specific

giving that much shred to hit builds is a massive multiplier

[rancid pulsar]

the spicy one also debuffs yourself, and unlike poison resistance you can't really get away with not capping phys or cold resistance

[stoic frigate]

^

[rancid pulsar]

so you're spending more suffixes and stuff

[stoic frigate]

Opportunity cost

[keen ravine]

I see

i am gonna hit the planner

[rancid pulsar]

definitely seems good though

[keen ravine]

i think this is way stronger than they intended

[rancid pulsar]

I think that when I look at every new thing lich got hahah

we'll see

[stoic frigate]

Personally I think you're overestimating, phys and cold aren't exactly the best damage types in the game lately

[willow sentinel]

Deias !!!

Planned a starter already ?

[wet mauve]

we gotta know

[keen ravine]

Yeah I was working on a mana stacker

planning to go necrotic obviously

[willow sentinel]

Got mine I think

[keen ravine]

but then I saw that AOD can give you 100% cold or phys pen essentially

[wet mauve]

I'm doing str armor stacker on my lich

[keen ravine]

and im like wtf

really

[stoic frigate]

Proooobably. Got a few options, I can hit you and Rocket up in DMs to share if you're interested, they're funny

[keen ravine]

how do you scale dmg with str?

cleaver?

[willow sentinel]

Sure !!

[wet mauve]

either trex or you don't.
And yeah I'm doing cleaver for the int

[strange umbra]

<4 days - cant wait!

[keen ravine]

oh minion build

that makes sense

[stoic frigate]

Just waiting on food in the oven, so gimme like 10 minutes

[keen ravine]

why lich instead of necro then

[strange umbra]

minions all day every day wooo

[rancid pulsar]

banana!

[wet mauve]

I'm doing the opposite, Going bleed actually.
I don't think damage will scale but the tankiness will be there.

It'll be a bit like playing shield bash on FG

[willow sentinel]

🦂 🌩️

[rancid pulsar]

those I am pretty interested in

but not brave enough for a starter

[wet mauve]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/mt8o20gm
If you want to take a look at my ideas so far.

I'm trying to figure out dmg rn.

[keen ravine]

heres my mana stacker

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEpKmeRQ

[slow cloud]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (65) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,480, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,513.81, Regen: 19.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 153%, Regen: 37/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 5 Dex / 27 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 63% / 63% / 84% / 39% / 143% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 798
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (20)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,037)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Reaper Form

[keen ravine]

i dont think mana stacker works with phys or cold though, so much of the flat damage comes from the necrotic affixes

maybe i will switch to melee cold or phys for this aura thing

[wet mauve]

that looks fun and in line with what a couple other people are doing on the acolyte channel.
Nice work

[keen ravine]

idols gonna be such a pain to get though

[wet mauve]

saaame

[keen ravine]

i really wish they gave mage's increased mana stuff to acolyte

they have big idols with %increased mana

which would make gearing far easier

also we dont get %dmg to mana

like they do

so defenses are worse

[wet mauve]

I'm just glad acolyte has increased healing effectiness idols. and they're not getting nerfed.
It's gonna help turn aura of decay into a healing strat.

[rancid pulsar]

mage has the worse end of that deal, they can't use %mana prefixes on equipment

though they do have some good implicit bases

[keen ravine]

oh thats sentinel and rogue

yeah so acolyte gets neither

lol

[rancid pulsar]

oof

didn't know that lol

well at least you can... get mana per int? that's 1:1 though right, barely anything

[keen ravine]

yeah its basically nothing

we can get max 10% from each of two font of the erased, max 12% from nihilis, some more from spirit battery on the new axe

but its mostly just flat

hence 20 1x1 idols

XD

this may be trash but its interesting at least

[ripe sun]

that's what I'm liking about watching a lot of Lich theorycrafting recently in contrast to theorycrafting from past seasons. A lot of stuff from past seasons seemed pretty solved. A lot of Lich stuff right now is looking like beautiful houses of cards. Fantastic conceptual numbers and possible ceilings, but immense deficits to work through, like mana 😂

[thorn bane]

If hybrid flat spell/mel affix was more than just necrotic, it could open some more doors

Cuz that's 70 necrotic spell at T7 with the unique axe per weapon

[keen ravine]

doesnt stack

oh wait ur rght

60/2

yeah

[thorn bane]

Half melee yup

[keen ravine]

yeah i was looking at aura of decay shredding cold or phys res for hit builts

but i dont think it will work with chaos bolts

because necrotic flat dmg is so efficient

[thorn bane]

Yea unfortunate unless you used flat mel cold but that's only 30 spell

[keen ravine]

probably best for melee builds

you can get +2 melee per dex of any type you want

so weapons dont rly matter

but then you have to stack both dex and int and make up for a ton of missing cold or phys res

[thorn bane]

They did some heavy math crunching in acolyte ch and the chaos bolt dmg is just way more dmg even on dex stack

[keen ravine]

yeah i assumed so

[thorn bane]

On mana/int* stack necrotic it's even crazier

[keen ravine]

no reason to int stack since it barely gives any mana and aura of decay cant shred necrotic

[thorn bane]

This isn't using aura and I guess it's more than just int. Mana is the first priority then int

[keen ravine]

yeah

my current mana stacker planner only has like 30 int, idk why i would need much

[thorn bane]

It's %dmg and ward ret, some mana from passive

Also rip blood proc on cb tree and others I'm probably forgetting

[rancid pulsar]

Attribute stacking shall continue until morale improves

[keen ravine]

its just so much gear demand to stack a good amount of int on top of the mana while still having reasonable defenses

[thorn bane]

Mostly comes from passive and red ring with T7 int

With passives looks like you can hit 60 alone

So i mean that's pretty much a T7 mana right there at 100int

[willow sentinel]

OO New Art

[viral marsh]

Look at last abyss!

[willow sentinel]

I dont see the difference

OO

I might like the old one more

[stoic frigate]

Same. The new one is kinda goofy.

[wet mauve]

old one is illustrated the ingame model is bad.

[stoic frigate]

Also stupid nitpick, I hate how straight this one is, I want it tilted

[wet mauve]

I like the old one's art better, but the new one has a better in game model.

[wet mauve]

:v were you ever able to take a look at my lich build idea I dmed ya?
Struggling to get any feedback on it.

[stoic frigate]

Agh. Shit. Totally slipped my mind (I'm out of ADHD meds atm, been having a hard time with that).

[wet mauve]

oh no, I'm gonna be dealing with that soon myself. Just lost part of my health insurance

[glass pendant]

Getting soul calibur vibes

[pastel raven]

Guys i have seen so many different responses to this on like reddit, youtube, streams etc, so i'd appreciate if someone who knows this could answer this, how much of the campaign can you skip on your first characters while getting all the skillpoints/idol slots? Could you hop into monos at like level 20-25'ish if your character is strong enough, stay there til you get julrah key then finish the rest by yourself after killing her?

[inner finch]

I wish one of the future season themes will be some major middle ages warfare stuff. I wanna see a whole new arsenal of crazy shields, weapons, and armor spiked with castle combat fantasy

[stoic frigate]

Yeaaaah, I've got concerns on that front as well. This time is at least just my own fault (I forgot to put in for a refill lol) so I'm gonna be without em til next weekend.

[steel mesa]

yes that is what many people do, as soon as you reach end of time you can do monoliths if you want

[pastel raven]

Thats the place where you unlock your class mastery right?

[steel mesa]

ye

[inner finch]

There are particular runs showing exactly how to do that. Usually the cutoff is Act 7

[pastel raven]

But if you have like an s-tier build that could do monoliths at like lvl 25 (i believe i was playing one like last league and i rushed it) is there anything holding you back from doing it? any massive downsides or anything like that?

If the intent was to spend as little time in the campaign as possible, even if its not fully time efficient

[steel mesa]

The only downside I see is not getting your faction asap

[late plank]

After 3 runs in 2 days ive come to the conclusion that the mastery respec cost around lvl 30 is too costy. anyone else coming to that conclusion?

[tribal estuary]

why are you respeccing at lvl 30?

[glass pendant]

Such isssues usually arise from the two outlier cases

Either someone extremely new to the game or someone hyper minmaxing leveling down to the seconds

[late plank]

^ this

Using the current best route has us going to monos after oracle abode in act 5

[brittle jay]

been out all weekend...will falconer be usable? nerfs seem harsh 🙁

[thorn bane]

What's the cost

[steel mesa]

harsh? falconer was ridiculously busted. I'm sure people will still find good builds because it was that strong

[late plank]

around 38k with mastery and passives. around 28k bankroll without spending by that point

[thorn bane]

Yes that's alot that early

[glass pendant]

there's talks about bleed popping and traps

still too early

wouldn't be surprised if comfy pulls out a 100 billion dps build out of nowhere

[inner finch]

Things will break, everywhere

But i think that's a part of the fun of such open ended buildcrafting

end to end combat and theorycrafting predictability makes boring ARPGs

[steel mesa]

yea I really won't be surprised if there's still a build or 2 that shreds uber

[glass pendant]

bear sounds like a strong contender but I'm not touching minions

[ruby pine]

Abom

probably Saber too

[glass pendant]

abom has the 3sec cd on pew pew

which makes it meh

[ruby pine]

unless you summon 17 archers and stack cdr idols

then many pews are had

[glass pendant]

was also wondering how far you can push it

but I think eq bear looks the strongest

[steel mesa]

I refuse to play minions

[glass pendant]

the clear is just meh

pretty sure trap falconer can still zoom temples at 1k like it's nothing, even if single target is mid

[ruby pine]

can also just Warpath at 1k

the turbo builds are still gonna be broken

[glass pendant]

not sure if I wanna commit to the most boring thing on earth

[steel mesa]

It might be slightly clunkier due to the longer cooldown on mana refund

But yeah

Will still be strong

[glass pendant]

yeah the mana nerf might be a problem

[ruby pine]

it wont be completely free without gear anymore

[glass pendant]

especially with how costly traps are

[ruby pine]

with gear is still gg just gotta get there

[glass pendant]

warpath might get brickwalled by how easy or hard it is to farm timeline bosses now

the envy replacement doesn't look too hot to me

[steel mesa]

I'm probably starting with vilatria lightning blast, I wanted to do flay but it needs investment to be a real build

[flint crypt]

Is there a way to see all new uniques in S3?

[glass pendant]

tbh a set build is also an investment

[glass pendant]

hop on tunk

[steel mesa]

lightning blast is still good without the ring tho

[glass pendant]

has a separate tab

[ruby pine]

LB will cruise zero problems as soon as you find an Enigma

[glass pendant]

you also gotta pull a good ladle, which isn't that hard but it's meh until you get one

[flint crypt]

tunk?

[ruby pine]

tunklabs

[flint crypt]

ty

[glass pendant]

you can find an enigma with your hands tied

ladle is the painful early game piece

unless you've locked in on mg

[steel mesa]

CB Flay will def be my second build, hopefully it has good uber dps

if it doesn't then I might just play lightning blast for a week, get my uber clear and go do something else

[glass pendant]

I'm on the fence on a lot of things

there was suspiciously zero info about any imprint/woven echo changes

[steel mesa]

The amount of time I play depends on if poe2 is actually fun in 0.3

[glass pendant]

and given how things were already missing from the patch, like the healing affix nerf

I wouldn't be too shocked to open a trove map containing 3 troves

[steel mesa]

This patch was very heavily minion focused so as a non-minion player it doesn't feel like there's much to explore

[glass pendant]

there's some pretty promising non minion stuff. those exang clone primordial body armors looked fun

the crit multi amulet would go hard on hs which is multi starved

then there's that bow...

vendor item with 3-33 flat ranges

😭

why does EHG hate bow builds

[steel mesa]

I've been asking the same thing for over a year

[inner finch]

EHG hates other weapon types quite a bit more

Most things hybrid damage were a complete waste of time

[willow sentinel]

for Mace

[glass pendant]

people aren't too hot on flay, nothing on the tree indicates it'll scale well

average dmg even with cold glass cannon

idk about dot builds

[inner finch]

Flay will slay

believe in it

[steel mesa]

Flay is good as an engine for chaos bolts spam

That's it really

[glass pendant]

I dislike how there's the melee to spell flat conversion tech but no way to scale it other than mourningfrosts

they added melee necrotic

but that's just 2 slams

[steel mesa]

It's a bad melee skill

Unfortunately

[glass pendant]

and don't get me wrong melee necrotic was long overdue

but cold simply scales better

[steel mesa]

Like don't get me wrong triggering spells with melee skills is awesome but it would've been nice for them to also give it better melee scaling

[sharp hedge]

wonder what classes are getting an overhaul next season if any

[glass pendant]

mike said bd and shaman are high priority

they're missing skills

[steel mesa]

marksman should be high priority smh

[round turtle]

LE is the best of this genre, to me, from what I have played. Diablo 3/4 are fun but I’ve played a lot of them and there isn’t anything overly intriguing about building in that game. POE 1 and 2 always feel slow and clunky. I also don’t need an art project for passive skills. Grim dawn is great but a bit too old graphically for me. Dragonkin has potential but it’s rough. Diablo immortal is mindless fun but not the full experience. UNDECEMBER I liked so far but haven’t played it much.

So my hot take is the ease of build and general accessibility of LE is what makes it golden

[willow sentinel]

Dont think they will be overhauled or reworked
But they should be getting a new skill and probably a bit more passives trees changes than the rest
(Trying to manage expectations)

[steel mesa]

poe1? slow? uwot

[glass pendant]

I mean falconer did get overhauled this season

and got 0 new skills

[surreal onyx]

'diablo imortal is mindless fun' thats a crazy sentence

[round turtle]

It helped when i was bored and up laying in bed at midnight during Christmas holiday while the fam was all asleep lol.

[surreal onyx]

fair eneugh, a p2w game could never be fun to me

[glass pendant]

I justify diablo immortal being mindless fun more than I justify finding poe1 slow

[round turtle]

The POEs are just not clicking with me is I guess my point.

Yeah I didn’t play enough to need to pay for anything but I generally don’t

Slow may be the wrong word. It doesn’t feel very fun to play?

[steel mesa]

I just did a double take because poe1 is probably the fastest game in the genre

[surreal onyx]

true

[glass pendant]

chronicon might just be faster lmao

[steel mesa]

although it can DEFINITELY feel clunky in early campaign

[round turtle]

Really? I feel like it’s taking me forever to level a ranger. I’m
Just following a build guide

Oh yeah maybe clunky is the best way to put it

[inner finch]

PoE1 is the fastest clear ARPG people play today

[surreal onyx]

but i do agree that LE is smoother than poe1 but thats just bcs its an older game i guesse, i love poe1 tho, poe2 not so much

[inner finch]

very quickly combat turns from micro to macro

[round turtle]

First character still in act 1 or 2

[steel mesa]

yeah that's not enough time to enjoy poe1

[round turtle]

I do so far like Poe 1 more than 2

[surreal onyx]

the camapign is like the entry fee to play poe 1 tbh

[steel mesa]

I try to be unbiased but I truly hate poe2 in it's current state... it's just not a fun game

Praying that 0.3 is huge

[glass pendant]

I think poe2's campaign is really good, it skillchecked every streamer under ther sun

[round turtle]

lol. I
Must be the only person who likes the campaign in these games

[rustic bluff]

I just wanna play season 3 man. Four days feels like so long

[steel mesa]

I certainly don't play arpgs for the campaign experience

[surreal onyx]

im sure its gonna be an amazing game eventually but right now yhe i agree poe2 is fancy but the gameplay is just not it

[steel mesa]

I play to blast endgame

[glass pendant]

I'm a mix of both because I'm d2 pilled

[inner finch]

LE does something very very right - it plays into the power fantasy

[glass pendant]

LE campaign is irrelevant

but grim dawn is peak

[steel mesa]

I'm diablo 3 and poe1 pilled

[inner finch]

LE is not afraid giving you incredible power through items and skills and do it quick

Fun is the endgoal

[steel mesa]

I'm very happy that LE has gotten much faster in the last year or so

[glass pendant]

the merit of LE's campaign is how mindlessly easy it is

but at the same time that's also the downside in a sense

[round turtle]

LE is gonna be my go to for the foreseeable future.

[surreal onyx]

i also think le is doing an amazing job with the uniques now, really changing how a skill works or is played, unlike just making an item with just more power

[glass pendant]

we still a few ways to go

scaling is lackluster for some archetypes

[round turtle]

I’d love a game of this style but with the scope of Skyrim plus the classic “endgame” content

[surreal onyx]

ye for sure but its nice to see they dare to make some crazy items

[steel mesa]

LE is my second favorite arpg atm but if they can expand the endgame more it could overtake poe1 as my go to game

[glass pendant]

I genuinely hope it keeps going down the path it's currently going

I think this season's balance changes was an indication they take balancing more seriously now

some of it was too much but this is an experimental season

[surreal onyx]

le and poe1 are about the same fun for me atm, but im sure eventully with more content LE will take over the poe1 players for the most part and poe2 will be the main game for GGG

[steel mesa]

Lol yeah. They caught me off guard with the complete takedown of Falconer's infinite scaling.

[glass pendant]

infinite scaling of almost everything tbh

there's like a couple of uncapped interactions still untouched left

[round turtle]

My conspiracy theory is nerfing is how devs make players try other things

I think they enjoy us breaking their games

[steel mesa]

GGG almost acts scared of players having fun

[round turtle]

I may keep trucking on POE1 but only as my exhausting season 3 of LE

[glass pendant]

the good thing about GGG though is that itemization allows for complete bonkers scaling compared to LE so far

the crafting system has a ceiling

[steel mesa]

Absolutely

[wet mauve]

I dont think poe1 is gonna go away, but it is gonna focus more on veteran players.

Poe2 is a new market foe ggg, which means theyre expanding their playerbase instead of migrating it over. Theyll probably support both games for ages.

I hope LE manages to shine tho as it does good to have competition.

[surreal onyx]

i think they will overtune the power level a bit in 0,3 to make players happy again after the 0,2 incident

[glass pendant]

did they talk about a movement speed baseline buff yet

[round turtle]

How do you mean?

[surreal onyx]

yhe im not saying poe1 will die but i do think LE is simulair to poe1 and has better systems overall so might become like the new poe1 in a couple of years from now, that doesnt mean poe1 will die tho

[glass pendant]

when you reach multi mirror tier gear, the items you can achieve (streamer cults and their mirror printing circles mostly) can blow out of proportion

[surreal onyx]

not sure, will see the 20th on the stream i guesse

[glass pendant]

also party synergy in poe is like 100x stronger than LE to say the least

[round turtle]

I play solo unless I need a true baller to help me with a boss or something

[surreal onyx]

ngl playing in a party is shit in poe1 i played a bunch of seasons with my friend and it was the worst experiance ever

[wet mauve]

Maybe, while I think le is better in a lot of ways im less certain of ehg's ability to monetize and sustain last epoch.

And the new parent company adds further concern to this whereas ggg has a pretty handsoff parent company and over a decade of faith built up with their playerbase.

[steel mesa]

poe1 and LE are pretty different games, in LE class identity is far more important whereas in poe1 you can use any skill on any ascendancy and play however you want

[glass pendant]

a good party can make or break a game in every game, was the case ever since the big mmo era

[steel mesa]

So I don't think LE will replace poe1 or anything

[glass pendant]

I don't think anything should replace another thing in general

I also like how there's solid non seasonal arpgs existing

[round turtle]

When I’m Elon Rich I’m just gonna merge them all into one MetaRPG

[wet mauve]

Honestly there's room for both especially if le or ggg shifts the seasonal schedule.

[steel mesa]

I really enjoy the freedom of poe1 and how much content there is, hoping LE can get to that point but they've been pretty slow at it so far

[surreal onyx]

unless you are playing party like snap and empyrian do with all the prep and min maxing its really not worth it do do party play

[night marten]

Making builds take so long. Ugh. Literally like all day

[glass pendant]

yeah content has been slow

[wet mauve]

grind all day for 20minutes of fun when it all comes together

[glass pendant]

you don't have to build an empy autoattack aurabot support oneshot delve 3million gigaboss one button clicker to run a solid party

[round turtle]

I think LE just didn’t have the money to move fast. Whatever else may be the issue with the company, hopefully krafton money can help?

[night marten]

Eh. I like seeing the CCs take their time. The stuff thaey have out now is either dumb op or undercooked

[night marten]

Facts

[glass pendant]

in my opinion season 4 will be pivotal

it has to deliver

[wet mauve]

My experience in party play in poe2 is having my frames destroyed by my friends fire minion build.

[glass pendant]

this season is like an intermission

[steel mesa]

tbh right now it seems like LE is competing with PoE2 more than PoE1... GGG keeps undercutting with their release dates

[glass pendant]

tbh that's the arpg experience, I destroyed my friend's gpu with tal rasha meteor in diablo 3

[surreal onyx]

yes you can still do decent with normal party but solo will always be more effecient for farming currency, wich is fine btw but party play is quite buggy in my experiance i prefer le party play then poe1

[steel mesa]

I've had the opposite experience, when you're blasting juiced maps co-op is OP in poe

[wet mauve]

Ive never done le party play

[night marten]

Eh. It was more just a series of unfortunate events on both sides that caused them to sync. Mike did say they are looking to get a little more cushion

[surreal onyx]

there is not much synergy you can do but its quite fun

[steel mesa]

co-op in LE is annoying as hell with how monolith progression works imo. I've never liked it.

[round turtle]

So what game of this genre does co op best?

[wet mauve]

I just wish item trading was more forgiving.

[wet mauve]

Diablo 2 i think

[inner finch]

I cant play much coop because the visual noise kills the experience. One day EHG should consider doing something with letting us have knobs on visual clarity

[round turtle]

I’ve never played D2

Perhaps I will sometime

[surreal onyx]

mmm yes and no, if it was easyer then you have the problem of more RMT'ing

[glass pendant]

parties in LE are incredibly strong but they need communication, pre setup and a lot of trust between players. it's not something you can do with complete strangers if you wanna take advantage of a triple or quadruple loot pool. you need premade multi-filters, and you need people to care being aware of who needs what drop which makes it a big brain high reward type of gameplay

[wet mauve]

Neither have i but i hear people rave about it

[glass pendant]

a good party will minmax very fast but it needs the right combination of people

[steel mesa]

D3 was my first arpg then I played poe1 so I was never able to enjoy D2 when I tried it. felt too dated.

[round turtle]

I found one dude in chat we ended up playing together a bit. 400c monos. But very casual goals

[wet mauve]

dinner or le supporter pack.
Decisions decisions.

[glass pendant]

you can just go full degen jank and play pd2

it has double corruption mechanics

[surreal onyx]

yhe ive done it a bunch with my best friend and its pretty good, also the loot is seperate wich is nice imo

[glass pendant]

you enjoy bricking something after a successful slam? play pd2

double vaaling baby

[steel mesa]

uh

project diablo 2?

[glass pendant]

yeah

[surreal onyx]

you can dubble vaal in Poe1 aswell

[wet mauve]

I would like to see weaver affixes foe legendaries at some point. Kinda like the stuff on enchanted idols.

[steel mesa]

"an end game Mapping system inspired by Path of Exile" this is all I needed to read

I'll try it sometime

[glass pendant]

was talking about an older game with similar mechanics

[surreal onyx]

oh okay my bad

[round turtle]

What game?

[glass pendant]

a mod for diablo 2 LoD

[round turtle]

Gotcha

[steel mesa]

I find it hard to enjoy arpgs that don't have mapping endgames lul

poe1 has ruined me

[glass pendant]

(completely legal and blizzard approved btw)

[steel mesa]

I'm really not sure how they made such an incredible endgame in poe1 and then created the mess that is poe2

[surreal onyx]

1 concern i have with season 3 thats comming up is that we are not gonna have eneugh FP to build a 6 stat item with the new T8 mechanic, i really hope they add some mechanic in the future (that is not to overpowerd ofcourse) where you can boost the FP for a bit on a single item

[glass pendant]

imo they're in the mechanic borrowing era. first they tried to make an atlas that looks like monoliths, then they slapped mercs in poe1

with varying success

[steel mesa]

mercs were a huge success tbf

[inner finch]

Everyone is taking ideas from everyone else today

[glass pendant]

I'm not saying it's a bad thing

but experimentation can net varying results

[steel mesa]

people are like "I want mercs to be core!" but no, you really don't. They're too OP.

[wet mauve]

Not me im a strong independent thinker.
Thats why my ideas are bad.

[inner finch]

EHG is just given less credit from what the big dogs took from it

[round turtle]

I’m also an avid table top gamer and I’ve been driving myself crazy trying to imagine how to recreate the arpg experience on tabletop.

[inner finch]

but sure, nothing personal

[glass pendant]

generally speaking I do believe that the game would benefit from some good league mechs to become core here and there

[surreal onyx]

talking about what i typed above? if so thats funny i havent seen this suggestiopn anywhere yet

[glass pendant]

we're past the "too complex" point anyway

what's an extra system gonna do

[steel mesa]

well ye but

a mechanic that lets you have a free doryanis shouldn't go core

[wet mauve]

I mean stealing ideas is why competition is great.

Forces everyone to improve.

[inner finch]

Some feel less forced than others

[glass pendant]

what was that league that you would summon this spirit crafting table thing out of nowhere that bypassed like 3 different orbs in the crafting process

gigachad league

[surreal onyx]

complexity is not a bad thing if it is given to you piece by piece the further you get into the game

[steel mesa]

I think the only idea that's been a mixed bag so far in this game is trade, everything else has been incredible

[round turtle]

MG drives me nuts I couldn’t do it, though it’s more
My jam as a player

[surreal onyx]

honnestly this is a hot take but if they would have some kind of currency system like poe the trading would be 100 times better

[glass pendant]

the nemesis/turtle/imprint/gauntlet loop is pretty intuitive

[wet mauve]

Complexity is great. Most people want depth.

A high barrier to entry is what makes complexity feel bad.

E.g. take portal, hugely indepth game that has a low barrier to entry because the whole game is basically a tutorial.

[steel mesa]

the gold and item only economy is honestly a failure at this point

[surreal onyx]

yhea just having gold is just not really working

[inner finch]

I like games that let you pick how chill an activity you can do to progress something in is

granted, its mostly an MMO thing

[surreal onyx]

they could technicly make runes, glyfs and everything else tradable but not sure how good that would be

[inner finch]

With LE there's less chill activities

At least until fishing is introduced

[wet mauve]

Omg fishing would be great

[steel mesa]

I've decided to just not do trade until they make big changes, it doesn't feel great

[wet mauve]

Man i miss playing fate.

[round turtle]

Institute some price controls on items

[steel mesa]

imprinting with CoF is pretty insane anyway

[south moat]

If fishing becomes a thing that's all i'll do

[inner finch]

Prepare your lure

[round turtle]

I always wondered who did fishing in these games…

[surreal onyx]

yhe the problem is that a big reason i play these games is for the economy, like i cant play CoF, if i drop something amazing thats not for my build there is just 0 exeitement

[glass pendant]

actually why doesn't grim dawn have fishing

[wet mauve]

4lp trash unique vibe.

[round turtle]

The world
Is too grim for fishing

Alas dawn is an ideal fishing time

[steel mesa]

I feel that heavy, I really love playing the economy in these games but it's just not good in LE rn

[round turtle]

Agreed

[glass pendant]

I'd feel more strongly about the economy if work didn't keep me away from my pc during prime hour

[round turtle]

Oh, LE is the only game
I’ve managed to play mouse only for the most part which I love.

[wet mauve]

Just replace mg with fishing.

This message brought to you by the cult of cof.

[surreal onyx]

yhe MG is reletivly fun for the first 2 weeks after that you have billions and everything is just market cap priced, thats usually when i quit playing

[glass pendant]

don't switch to anything else, you're nerfing yourself

[steel mesa]

Although it could be argued it's also not great in poe1 rn with how TFT controls everything

so meh

[round turtle]

Other game you
Mean?

[surreal onyx]

yhe see poe1 has a better economy system but the way to trade is much more horrible then in LE its like give and take

[glass pendant]

I mean controller

or the deck or whatver people are trying to make an arpg work on

[round turtle]

Oh. I don’t with LE. Diablo works fine for controller for me and POE 1 wasn’t too bad

[steel mesa]

it was so hard going back to poe1 after using wasd in LE and poe1

lmao

actually painful

[surreal onyx]

i will say faustus was the best thing they ever put into the game now they need faustus 2,0 for gear haha

[glass pendant]

wasd is bad for me as well becuase it takes up my usual hotkey area

[steel mesa]

oh yes faustus increased the enjoyment of the game by 100000%

[round turtle]

On pc I use a Tartarus instead of wasd so I can still have stick movement but keyboard functions

[wet mauve]

I just do 1 or two button builds with wasd.
Three if i'm pushing it.

[glass pendant]

born sentinel

[surreal onyx]

you use wasd in LE? i should maybe try it this season, i am a bit of a click to move enjoyer tho

[steel mesa]

yeah I enjoy it

I hated it when I tried it on rogue tho

[wet mauve]

how'd you know

[surreal onyx]

like in poe2 its amazing but thats bcs you can move and attack

[glass pendant]

sentinels give off this

aura

you can smell the unga bunga in the atmosphere

[steel mesa]

damn george said you don't shower

you gonna take that?

[wet mauve]

I'm making an unga bunga armor stacker lich this season to take a break from my armor stacker sentinels.

[steel mesa]

(I like sentinel so I actually feel insulted)

[glass pendant]

bonking is fine

I played warrior in WoW

[steel mesa]

Smite is probably my second most used skill lol

[glass pendant]

then I decided I wanted to play real classes

[surreal onyx]

i wonna play an off meta build but probbly gonna end up with a meta build anyways haha

[wet mauve]

I did bonk witch in poe2, with the default mace strike attack.
Actually made it to the end of end game with it despite my dps being crap xD

[steel mesa]

Lightning Blast and Smite are things I play basically every season

[stoic frigate]

Hey, hey, give me some credit for making my stuff as unique as I can at least.

[glass pendant]

how much did frozen clock lb at? something like 50 mill?

[steel mesa]

45m+

[surreal onyx]

LB is gonna be giga strong this season

[glass pendant]

man time rot probably still gonna be stronger lol

sadge

[steel mesa]

he killed uber in like 90 seconds

[wet mauve]

Look if a build isn't Legendary is it even worth using?
Doesn't even have LP smh my head my head

[glass pendant]

yeah timerot will go under a min

[surreal onyx]

you talking about the frozensentinel build right?

[steel mesa]

which is great for mage I think

yes

vilatria lightning blast

[stoic frigate]

I try to avoid making all leggy planners, I find it boring

[surreal onyx]

yes he makes some great stuff

[wet mauve]

oh no I was joking about the build itself being unique.

[inner finch]

A fishing season. each era includes a hierarchy if increasingly rare types of fish we can collect using a bunch of specially crafted rods. EHG, hire me, fishing season is going to make you billions

[glass pendant]

lb doesn't abuse wall snapshotting right?

[surreal onyx]

his frost claw build was the most fun build ive ever played in any arpg no gonna lie

[stoic frigate]

I do think they undercooked primordial exalts slightly, the primordial uniques are almost all way, way more interesting to mess with

[inner finch]

Frost Claw Elemental Nova is fun, but performance and visuals make me sad

[steel mesa]

I'm not interested in most of the primordial uniques really

[surreal onyx]

yhea i was talking about the frost claw spark chage version

[stoic frigate]

Some day I will make self-cast Nova usable

[steel mesa]

I wanna know who thought Reliquary Nest was a good idea though

[glass pendant]

the new attack speed boots are love

[surreal onyx]

tbh some of them are really sick, gonna be some crazy stuff found with them i think

[night marten]

Agree

[stoic frigate]

Me being me I find the Frenzy belt absolutely hilarious and will make something with it even if it's the squishiest thing imaginable

[stoic frigate]

Any you're particularly interested in, Birdman?

[steel mesa]

and well ofc Legends Entwined is insane and will only become more powerful when they buff sets or add new ones

That one is gonna age like fine wine

[surreal onyx]

yhea

[night marten]

Self cast nova and gaspars with the set ring so i dont have to use a friggin sceptre

[glass pendant]

that ring is probably the direct answer to rr being in 90% builds

that said rr is probably still the second slot

[night marten]

Prim unique or exalt?

[glass pendant]

unless set ring

[stoic frigate]

Prim unique

[inner finch]

Primal Exalts a real problem yes

[night marten]

Primal candence with forged weapons is my starter

[surreal onyx]

coll thing is that that ring is gonna have new applications every time they add more set items its such a smart design

[glass pendant]

at the very least t8 channel is mandatory for warpath now so there's one application

[stoic frigate]

Based?? More FW builds need to happen

[steel mesa]

fangs of the berserker is gonna enable a lot of uber oneshot kills this season

I guarantee it

[night marten]

That overkill splash is so interesting. Clear gonna be thru the roof

[surreal onyx]

i think the blood theter skill will also become an uber abby 1 shotter skill

[steel mesa]

agree

[surreal onyx]

unless they completly undertune it

[steel mesa]

infinitely scaling damage is good

[stoic frigate]

I have made planners for every version of DoT Vengeance because they gave us ways to solve clear for it on bleed and ignite now lol

[surreal onyx]

yhea and there is so many insane ways to stack bleed stacks + bleed stacks are infinite

[steel mesa]

it's not hard to get 1000% more damage so the only way it won't be good is if it's severely undercooked

[south moat]

Who needs clear anyway

[night marten]

Lmao. You using the cerata shield?

I did decent phalanx/jav/vengenge ignite last season. But ya clear was meh

[stoic frigate]

Nah. Even more 5head. Bleed pop gloves for bleed version, Wildfire for ignite, and Time Rot just has it built in via VK

[steel mesa]

butcher's crown is kinda interesting for high mana cost builds I think

[night marten]

The bleed pop gloves look interesting. But there was a cap on the bleed stacks it spread iirc? Wasnt a huge fan o that

I made a fireball wildfire build i have high hopes for

[stoic frigate]

20 stacks top, should be fine for clear though

Especially since nothing stops you from only doing that one time per enemy, presumably if things get hit by multiple pops its multiple stacks of 20 applying

[night marten]

I guess if you aim for the whites yeah should be alright

True

[steel mesa]

I wonder how good wildfire ignite heartseeker could be... might actually cook with that after lightning blast and flay

[glass pendant]

iirc trikster is testing it on launch

the single target specifically

[steel mesa]

single target is what matters

[night marten]

Thats another one that looks interesting with wildfire

[gilded juniper]

is 1.5 million dps considered good?

[stoic frigate]

I am also curious on the mana stack staff, I'm tempted to mess with it on Shaman

[night marten]

Eh

Its not bad

[steel mesa]

depends on what you're trying to do

[gilded juniper]

using that new staff for smite

attunement stacker

[night marten]

Oh, xylem was it? Yeah that looks interesting for shaman

[steel mesa]

They capped the mana scaling for storm bolts right?

[stoic frigate]

Yeah my brain is starting to grind so I just opened LETools to see if I can make it interesting

[glass pendant]

if hs ends up working best with hydra bow, I'm not seeing myself farming something with 80lpl and a flat range between 9 and 99

[night marten]

Gathering storm/storm bolts?

[stoic frigate]

That's the cookie cutter idea yeah, but I wanna check other things for fun first

[gilded juniper]

dose the base crit multi on a skill get added to your characters crit multi?

[stoic frigate]

Yes

[gilded juniper]

so if smite has 200 base crit multi, and you also have 200 crit multi, that's 400?

[stoic frigate]

Yep

[gilded juniper]

ok nice

[willow sentinel]

In the tree, Smite only get 100% Cm

So you will be at 300%

Before investing in other stuff

[gilded juniper]

gotcha thanks

that brings my smite dmg closer to 2 million dps

[steel mesa]

dang, storm bolts stop scaling at 1000 mana

sad

[surreal onyx]

2 mil dps is not that great tbh will maybe get you to 300-500 corrupt

[stoic frigate]

Shhhhit. The health/mana per attune on the staff isn't showing up in LETools yet.

[willow sentinel]

Devotion?

[stoic frigate]

it will get far more? It's not Uber tier, but you can play 1.5mil in 1000c, I've literally done worse than that

You need like, 100k to run 300c lol

[gilded juniper]

yep, the extra mana is crazy for dmg

[willow sentinel]

Fissure or Crit?

[surreal onyx]

you mean hitting for 1.5 mil dps as the number you see on screen, or raw dps aka on the dummy?

[gilded juniper]

both

not including fissure, if fissure is added, probably a little more dmg

[willow sentinel]

Oo

[gilded juniper]

fissure is just for mob clearing

but i do have a heart of ukieros with t7 smite lvl

[stoic frigate]

Let me put it this way, I've played in 1300c with my best damage being 100k bleed ticks.

People really really overestimate how hard corruption is. It's not hard. It's just boring.

[gilded juniper]

oh wait, i forgot to divide by 10 for lvl 100 content....

[surreal onyx]

i mean yhea you can do it but you wont be blasting trough maps

[gilded juniper]

so i'm going to be doing 200k dps after reduction ....

[night marten]

Rip

[gilded juniper]

it's showing up for mana, just not HP

[stoic frigate]

It isn't showin on mana for me

[gilded juniper]

which will be insane then, i already got 4k hp atm, so casting heart of ukieros will be netting crazy ward

[stoic frigate]

Or health actually

66 attunement rn, mana pool of 302, breakdown is 101 from base stats, 70 from implicit, 132 from attunement. Attunement by default is 2 flat mana per point, 66 * 2 = 132. It ain't workin.

[shell wadi]

I hope this season come strong raptor builds.

[gilded juniper]

lets hope its just the planner that's not working, and not actually the game lol

i find that usually whenever something is broken in the planner, it's also broken in game because it uses the data from the game

[stoic frigate]

Imma just @stark canopy we gots a planner bug with Spirit Xylem!

[willow sentinel]

Poor Dammit 😅

[stoic frigate]

Look I'm not in that server this is the best I can do

[ripe sun]

Is

[willow sentinel]

Got 25 new uniques doing crazy weird stuff to implement

[ripe sun]

Is Lucine bullying ppl again?

[stoic frigate]

Always, it's my favorite pastime

[willow sentinel]

Nah
I am just sorry for Dammit

[gilded juniper]

oof i'm only at 250k dps after an 87% endgame reduction

no longer motivated for smite 🙁

[willow sentinel]

He got a lot of stuff to do and very little time before patch

[stoic frigate]

What I'd give to have the damage to mana affixes of Mage

[willow sentinel]

Take the new ring 😏

[stoic frigate]

You mean the one that's primordial

Sobbing

[willow sentinel]

😏😏

[ruby sedge]

Have LE HQ/servers moved to DST time? Season 3 release is at 2am for me (Melbourne), I think last time it was 3am.

[glass pendant]

vlad will u be a timerot gamer now that timerot will allow uber to use a skill or two before it dies

[strange umbra]

the US is indeed under DST atm

[ruby sedge]

Well, 2 am it is xD

[glass pendant]

explains why the bot showed mike's stream an hour earlier (missed it because of that, had to watch the replay)

[strange umbra]

The release is at Aug 21s 11am GMT-5

[dreamy hedge]

Man, I'm getting too excited for the new season. Idk what to do with myself

[ruby sedge]

Yeah I just went by the countdown on the website and calculated my local time

[strange umbra]

the post in Discord also does that too FWIW

(the news post not mine above)

[ruby sedge]

Yeah that's how I initially realised my original calendar event at 3 am was wrong lol Discord timer

[willow sentinel]

Maybe after 🦂 🌩️

[glass pendant]

dammit I can't send a mortal kombat scorpion gif

sad times

[willow sentinel]

But ❄️ 🦂 might be second

[median perch]

🫡

[willow sentinel]

Or ♻️ 🔥

[strange umbra]

or 🐻

[glass pendant]

proliferation does sound swaggy but we'll see how it scales

[stoic frigate]

So SB might be fine but GS generation is off the table, no melee speed affix on staff

[glass pendant]

as always with bouncing effects, the main concern is single target

[primal island]

Why is mantle of the pale ox op? I see a lot of people using it but dont know why its so good

[stoic frigate]

It's not OP, it's just a great item for minion builds

[glass pendant]

very desirable stats. even without a minion build 30% health and 10% movement speed are enough to justify a 2lp ox over a purple chest or even other unique chests

[stoic frigate]

Where are you getting 30%?

[willow sentinel]

• lvl to minion
  Str
  % hp
  Dr (with dmg redirect to minion)

Ms

[ruby sedge]

Back to solo-deving, thx for the info Muffin

[willow sentinel]

All very good stats

[glass pendant]

no way did it get nerfed...

[median perch]

Simply put, they don't have a better choice, and it's also easy to find

[stoic frigate]

It's 18% tops now, and I'm pretty sure it was like 24% before

[primal island]

Yeah but i see it beeing used on builds that dont scale str and dont have minions

[stoic frigate]

Actually no srry, always has been 18% tops

[stoic frigate]

Everyone likes strength, it's an armor scaler.

[glass pendant]

#👑┃item-showcase message

[stoic frigate]

Hm. Alright, well, it's 18% now, but ig some notes are missing on LETools again

[glass pendant]

unless I'm blind it's not in the patch notes either

[south moat]

Got to have that protein for strength building

[glass pendant]

Oh wow that's an insane nerf

no wonder nobody's talking about this

it's not in the notes

[median perch]

LEtool back to 1.1?

[wet mauve]

what are we talking about?

[glass pendant]

pale ox got stealth nerfed

rip 30%

[ruby pine]

they snuck it into a comment on reddit

[wet mauve]

oh damn

[glass pendant]

😭

that's so on brand

[ruby pine]

ye lol

[glass pendant]

that's such a big nerf hooly

rip one of my favorite body armors

[stoic frigate]

I still believe in Null supremacy

[glass pendant]

things like this make me worry about the suspicious lack of info about woven echo balancing/imprints

"we made a whoopsie guys, troves now have 2 caches"

[wet mauve]

this is part of why I'm farming for gear now.

[glass pendant]

if only I cared about standard as much as you do

[ruby pine]

sir, farming for gear before season is illegal

[viral spoke]

Can you do COF in completely offline mode?

[wet mauve]

I love playing seasonal don't get me wrong, but LE doesn't really have anything to get me to play seasonal.

[short vessel]

Eh, probably deserved, that effect was insane

[glass pendant]

the nerf was, but 12 minroll?

idk

[ruby pine]

yes

[short vessel]

Yes. Compare it to titan heart

[wet mauve]

I really wish LE had some cycle exclusive content.

[ruby pine]

why are you minrolling things smh

[glass pendant]

could never be me I'm afraid 😏

[glass pendant]

pre nerf or right now? because right now it's very debatable

[ruby pine]

still pretty gg for BM with skills. necro sad tho 🙁

[short vessel]

Pre nerf

[glass pendant]

probaby eq bear bis

[short vessel]

It's prolly still BiS for a lot of primalist builds

[glass pendant]

that's why I'm not debating the nerf as a move but how far down it dropped rather

15-20% would be fine

[stoic frigate]

Nah, not with how many benefits it has in one item

Titan Heart is a good comparison because it has a pretty noticeable downside to it and for best use locks you to 2H, which can also be seen as a downside. This thing doesn't really have any opportunity cost to it unless you reeeeeally wanna spin missing some flat armor as a cost

[stark canopy]

I added support only for Legends Entwined cause it was easy to do. Support for the rest of uniques will be added later today.

[stoic frigate]

Gotcha, understood

[wet mauve]

your work is appreciated.

[plush socket]

Some challenges for cosmetics would go a long way in this regard

[deft bobcat]

Finished Grim Dawn too quickly

[wet mauve]

Getting a new dlc with end game in q1 next year

[wet mauve]

For real man. I always clear my atlas in poe. Its challenging enough and keeps me playing til the end.

[steel mesa]

Seasonal challenges would go a long way towards keeping me playing longer than a week

[wet mauve]

Yeah, it doesn't have to be much.
Like clear abberoth or all monos or smth.

[steel mesa]

Last season was an outlier because of how massive it was but most of the time I find it hard to stay interested very long

altho I'm sure a part of that is I've been playing since 0.8 so most skills I've already played with

[strange umbra]

sounds like an excuse to make a Reap Lich 🙂

[steel mesa]

I'm gonna play Flay! We'll see after that

I think bleed Rip Blood is also pretty interesting

[south moat]

Nah
I've got excuse to play Bearquake

The excuse is just "bearquake"

[steel mesa]

fair, sadly I'm not a minion enjoyer

aside from flame wraiths but... that's barely a minion build

[south moat]

Flame Wraiths are neat

[steel mesa]

#makeflamewraithsgreatagain

I want my fire turrets back

[median perch]

Minion Era

[tiny jacinth]

guys, what's best build? Gonna copy pasta

[deft dragon]

default attack sentinel

[deft walrus]

Bears. Beats. Battlequake. Galactica.

[split reef]

i am so hipped

hyped*

[urban rivet]

i am liking the new supporter packs

[strange umbra]

https://tenor.com/9eYb.gif

[strange umbra]

saaaaaaaaaame lol

cant wait to be playing and hanging out with players in-game