⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[runic trout]

Seems like an echoed belief, its not just sharoon

[jolly trail]

boss uniques can have cof tag so something has been done to it. must be the lp perk

[livid spruce]

yeah, lots of people like to believe stuff like this, and it's almost always confirmation bias

[hallow plume]

if i really wanted to blow his mind i would tell him exile mages aren't effected by corruption

[livid spruce]

it's why I asked for some sort of source, like an easy way to prove would be like a dev answer

[livid spruce]

pretty sure I was the one telling people that not very long ago lol

[hallow plume]

yeah i've seen that but there tagged rank 5 look at the rank 5 perk

[livid spruce]

when everyone was saying corruption doesn't work, but they were testing on exiled mage drops only without knowing

[livid spruce]

That's the max

[jolly trail]

i didn't know the rank req had anything to do with how you got it. i have some r6 stuff but those were from proph

i wouldn't be surprised if they made cof do nothing for boss drops. without any game testing or confirmation it's just speculation

[hallow plume]

it would be weird if it didn't no?

i may be wrong on that one since that is just my assumption

on the rank tag

[hallow plume]

there is math out there if you wanna go find it

[livid spruce]

Originally they said it would be your current rank minus 1 or 2 or something, max 5

patch notes only say max 5 and no indication of what decides rank req

stuff above 5 is just bugged

[hallow plume]

makes sense to me

[honest wyvern]

I like the boss drops as is. It would ruin the game if they made it easier.

[hallow plume]

though it is weird it should just line up with what proc'd it

that way you could easily tell what proc'd what and where

[livid spruce]

agreed, and if multiple things proc at once on an item, apply the highest

[hallow plume]

yeah

[celest swift]

Do you get a decent number of T7 or T7+T6 exalts at 2000c?

I’m curious if corruption effects drop rates for T7s

[hallow plume]

uhh my filter is very strict so i don't see a ton of anything because what i need so so specific

[livid spruce]

Not directly, no

[foggy shell]

I mean it does, because corruption increases rarity, so you'd get more exalted rolls which means you'd roll more t6 and t7's by pure quantity.

[lone lotus]

Can i use my gold made from MG if i convert my character to Cof?

[native isle]

gold is account-wide

not faction specific

[foggy shell]

Well, more like cycle, or stash wide.

[native isle]

your stash is account-wide

not faction specific

[foggy shell]

Yes but if you try a SCF Or SAF they are not the same as regular cycle.

They get their own stash and faction rep

[native isle]

yes, but that's not what he was asking

[foggy shell]

Heh, true!

[lone lotus]

Thank you

[smoky wigeon]

🍦

[lone lotus]

Yeah i just cant imagine running LA as Cof with 1b

[tame basin]

thats alot of stash tabs 😛

[empty fern]

same with lp?

[foggy shell]

For LP all we have is that corruption slightly increases LP chance (from ingame guide about LP\corruption)

[livid spruce]

Corruption gives rarity, which means more uniques and more LP rolls. Corruption directly increases the LP rolls as well, like 15%ish at high corruption.

[empty fern]

oh okay thank you

[finite charm]

Was playing with @real palm last night for a few hours at 1.5k to 1.8k corruption.... It's a pretty wild ride. The loot and favor are insane. Def goals.

@celest swift you get a lot more loot, so in that sense, it affects it but not directly.

Basically more loot, higher chance at something super busted

[finite charm]

There's stuff that can one shot you even at 30k ward at 1.5 to 1.8k corruption. But ward does help a lot.

[gaunt sleet]

I'd love to join for some runs aswell haha

[finite charm]

Imo, if we start doing parties in CoF, we can start our own kind of trade system if a small group get resonance with each other. Plus we can all share loot with each other from runs together. Not everyone may get what they need but the chances increase for sure

This is something most CoF players aren't doing, and it can help progression immensely

[gaunt sleet]

Definitely down to gearshare, my character is pretty much maxrolled for high corruption, just can't see myself pushing it that much to get there. Don't have that much time haha

[real palm]

Yes, gimme my items

[finite charm]

100% when that resonance drops that wand is coming your way homie.

It sucks it didn't drop when we were playing together

Also, I added the stuff you are looking for to my loot filter

If I get it I'll save it

[real palm]

I farmed rings for like 1h longer and nothing so idk 500k spend probably today but killed gaze so now its 1942 corruption i think, if wonder i drop it before 2,5k

[gaunt sleet]

If you're looking for more players to farm up with, hit me up 🙂

[real palm]

Tmrw why not, i dont think so big difference in moobs hp between 2 ppl and 3

[gaunt sleet]

Awesome, I'll add you up and send you a message tomorrow when I am on

[real palm]

np

[finite charm]

Add me too brother

[gaunt sleet]

🤝

[celest swift]

On an auto or just on a telegraph that you can avoid?

[solemn lagoon]

CoF chads unite!!

[finite charm]

Both lol. Depends on the monster. At that high corruption you have to play smart no matter how strong your build

[finite charm]

💪💪👊👊

I got some slammin to do before my next runs for sure though

[sick ocean]

is shield a "Weapon or armour" ? 😅 for the lenses

[finite charm]

It's in the weapon telescope I think?

I'm not sure though

[sick ocean]

its colored red like rest of weapons so i guess? 😄

yeah it was in weapons telescope

[violet talon]

Is there an extremely fast way to farm for reputation that I may not know about? I don't see how people are saying they get over 100k+ favor an hour when I'm only getting maybe 1.5k favor/rep per monolith at 250corruption in all my islands empowered. That would tell me they're doing 100 monoliths an hour which I know isn't right. lol I'm rank 9 and with 1.3m to push is it just push as high as I can for corruption to earn more xp and do monoliths and grind / spend favor? There's no fast way to do it just grind it out? It's hard to compare it to streamers who play 9 hours a day and make an alt and are rank 10 within a few days but maybe they know something I don't? I'm not sure. I've looked up videos and most just say do xp book monoliths and that's the most but xp books only give me like 400 favor each at 250c. Sorry for the long message.

[sick ocean]

higher corruption > more exp gained > more favor gained i belive. my main lich is on like 434 atm and its a noticeable increase from when i was in 200s

[solemn lagoon]

I’m wondering the exact same thing

[sick ocean]

and because alot of builds across classes/builds (that are meta) are in the 1k+ corruption area i guess they swim in favor

[solemn lagoon]

I have 150ish corruption. How the hell are people getting so high in corruption?

[sick ocean]

also while still going for R10 exp node echos are still viable after the fix i think (the one that fixed exp tomes doubbling)

[violet talon]

That's what I figured. Just push high corruption and tag xp tomes along the way as I see them. They do give that little bit at the end per tome which always helps get an extra like 1.5k ish favor at the end of the monolith for me but them not doubling anymore hurt a little bit. I appreciate the info!

[finite charm]

Higher corruption, and also, switch your blessing from unique drop rate to experience

[real palm]

I never pay attention to that but i think at like 1,8k im getting easy 100k per hour or more but like i said i never pay attention, for sure before each boss i have like 50k

Also depends how many arenas you have, if there is exp shrine etc

[finite charm]

True

But in general, higher corruptions give you higher exp gains, exp translates directly to favor, so if you put your blessing on fall of the outcasts to the exp one, you'll get more favor just by clearing

[violet talon]

I do have the 9% increase exp blessing thankfully I got that one pretty quick. hah. I've also noticed that Exiled Mages give a ton more favor for the 1 kill of him compared to other things. As I'm sure so do certain rares and such but I'll get maybe 100-300 favor for an Exiled Mage. What is your Corruption level Mixerios?

[finite charm]

Hes 2k corruption

[violet talon]

Ohh okay that's what he meant at 1.8k I thought that's what he was getting per monolith.

I'll probably hit rank 10 before I hit 1.8k corruption but good to know all the info!

[finite charm]

Yeah, that's natural progression.

[real palm]

• i think it depends on build, with wraith lord you usually kill a lot of moobs when you port from spot to spot

[finite charm]

Yeah, that build looks fun. My legacy char is a necro and I might do something like that eventually for it

[real palm]

But then compare to ppl clearing at 3k+ is nothing, only if pushing higher wasnt so slow xd

[violet talon]

I've been running the Blast Rain build on Marksman which is pretty fun but will probably switch to the newer Detonating arrow build for just how much more powerful it seems to be but even at 250c I'm still just blasting through these monoliths so it's not like I'm strugging yet but know I will when I get higher. hah

Getting some of my Blessings were well.. not a blessing in RNG. So I didn't get to push that high right away.

[real palm]

detonating arrow for sure its very good for end game but min maxing can be frustrating

[potent current]

Where is circle of fortune guild at

[silver axle]

is the only way in CoF to farm dungeon boss drops to keep doing it over again? theres no prophecies that can help?

[native isle]

yep, nothing helps boss drops

just have to keep repeating it

[finite charm]

Yeah, it's the main feels bad part of CoF. World drops are easier to farm though

[native isle]

oof, just hit 500 corruption.. still haven't seen an omnis amulet yet

[finite charm]

Pushed to 800 and me either. My brother hit some at 200 :S

luckily he gave me one of the ones that dropped for him

[native isle]

quite fortunate for you

I'm 6 keys from a completely full stash tab of keys

alternating rows, with two rows of keys of memories

[ruby linden]

I just sell mine now lol

And I managed to get an omnis from a 220 orobyss, I've been swapping it around between characters lmao

The respeccing thing makes it super annoying

[whole inlet]

well just got my mourning frost boots from emp boss no LP tho. anyway back to the grind

[small meadow]

Does the unique armor prohecies contain offhand catalysts

[whole inlet]

yes believe so

[small meadow]

Ok thanks.

[solid seal]

"Unique Armour" drops Helmets, Body Armour, Belts, Gloves, Boots, and Shields. Off-hand Catalysts only seem to drop from "Unique (1 Legendary Potential)" and "Unique Off-hand Catalyst".

[tame flame]

No it is in the weapon telescope for prophecies

It only really shows up if you buy a lens for them

[heady spear]

which lens should i invest in

[finite charm]

#⭕┃circle-of-fortune message

[heady spear]

this is COF

oh mb i see thanks sm

[small meadow]

Thanks

[small meadow]

Thank you

[solemn lagoon]

How do you use lenses

[solid seal]

Open a telescope. The bottom left corner has 3 slots (each unlock at rank 2, 5, and 9). Put the lens you want in a slot. Everytime you roll a new constellation, the lenses will affect it. You can buy a prophecy to reroll the constellation. You can pay 320 favor to reroll the constellation.

[heady spear]

how long do lens last

[solid seal]

as long as you are in CoF.

they are regular items

[heady spear]

so if i have smth w 4lp and i slam an item on it will it just put all 4 of the mods onto it

the 2 prefix and 2 suffix

[smoky wigeon]

yes

[heady spear]

i see i see

[lucid pawn]

best place to find immortal eyes in Monos guys?? anyone have a clue? looked online but not enough info

[solid seal]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/ImmortalEye

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/bestiary is your friend.

[lucid pawn]

been doing fall of dragons for over an hour and none have shown up

[smoky wigeon]

you mean fall of the empire? or reign of the dragons?
I did some spirits of fire and reign of dragons timelines and they showed up pretty frequently

[solid seal]

"Yes."

[lucid pawn]

RNG be annoying me then,.. none so far

i dont think they spawn in Fall of dragons timeline at all. ive been in like 40-50 echoes not a single one

[solid seal]

just had an echo full of them in reign of dragons. https://imgur.com/8WykUr6

[lucid pawn]

Wheel of torment. Its... im not farming this thing anymore. Never seen one with 2LP or more and the only ones that drop with good rolls are all 0lp and if 1lp they have crap rolls

[solid seal]

Put it on the board! Another item you aren't farming anymore!

[smoky wigeon]

feel bad for the person who said he was looking for a jungle queens chaps of holding for 400 hours and after his only LP1 one that he found bricked, mate I was on for like 10min and got a LP2, ain't that rare tbf 😂

[solid seal]

a couple days ago, there was someone complaining about not seeing giant scorpions and had a prophecy active for a month

had they asked any time in the last month and I was around, I would have pointed them to "The Magma Caverns" quest echo in Spirits of Fire. Always has scorpions and you can repeat it as long as you don't complete the objective (3 of the 6 monsters the objective has you kill are also bosses)

[umbral pebble]

anyone know where to farm void horrors?

[solid seal]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/VoidHorror - Black Sun, Fall of the Empire, Last Ruin timelines

both last ruin optional quest echoes will spawn like 1-4 and can be repeated if you don't complete the objective

horrors from beacons don't count. they are a different type of monster https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/BeaconVoidHorror

[umbral pebble]

thank you

[heady spear]

Is it worth it to target farm at 100c or should I work on raising c levels

[finite charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208530865525882920/1224293289562472529/Screenshot_from_2024-04-01_02-44-15.png?ex=661cf6fa&is=660a81fa&hm=d8a9d9a17216f932dbf782bd714136141e625c08b08cc35f10b74d52fa386f0d&

CoF FTW

[lucid pawn]

Ohhhh he got one with LP

[finite charm]

Yessir

[lucid pawn]

Im looking for a 2lp ashes of mortality and 2lp versions of barbute exsang and Ladle. Ugh the ladle is a pain tho

[finite charm]

For the ladle you need to set up a farm

i got a crapton of LP2 ladles now

barbute it's best to use the helmet fortunes

i have like 6 LP2s of that now too

[light finch]

Even if third party. A prophecy tracker would be sick, it couple as simple as “kill list” but even more complex as a quest tracker

[nocturne oar]

what would make my rep go from 150k to 80k in less than 1 hour? (i'm doing 172 corr)

do prophecies give you rep?

[finite charm]

rep?

[nocturne oar]

yea rank reputation for cof

i checked it like an hour or hour and a half ago and it was at like 150k , usually it takes a long time to gain

eh.. maybe i misread it

[finite charm]

Likely misread it, the only thing that will make it go down is rerolling prophecies and actually buying up prophecies

[nocturne oar]

and killing mobs too right :P.... annd thanks your right i did splurge on a crap ton of prophecies literally less than an hour ago lol thats it

damn thats good to know

[finite charm]

and killing mobs too right :P.
That makes it go up 😉

[nocturne oar]

oh i was talking about this one https://i.imgur.com/ZrDvwjO.png

[finite charm]

Oh -- then no, reputation doesn't go down afaik

I mean -- reputation gained doesn't go down

but it is a count-down to the next level

[nocturne oar]

mobs make it go down sooooooo slow

so buying prophecies is the shortcut

ive been farming XP tome echos to help

[finite charm]

Yeah, spending favor gets you reputation

at double the favor spent

[nocturne oar]

oh damn no wonder it went down a bunch ive been also using that 80% more cost lens

[solid seal]

If you are reading the "Reputation" value on the perks screen, then that value represents "Reputation until next rank". So it'll naturally go to 0 until you hit the next rank. Every 750 experience gained = 1 favor earned = 2 faction rep earned. Additionally, every favor you spend = 2 faction rep earned. So 1 favor = 4 rep earned in total. "Spending" includes buying prophecies from the telescopes, rerolling constellations on the telescopes, buying lenses from the vendor, and gambling for items from the vendor.

[nocturne oar]

oh wow thanks for the breakdown i was always curious how it specifically counts down

ill definitely be doing more prophecy buying i need to get to the 90% lens

[finite charm]

Btw, I did about 50 runes of ascendance into about 87 CoF rings. Out of that. I got 2 oceareon, 1 with 1 LP. Shortly after the red ring dropped from a reward chest with 1 LP (rngeesus blessed me for Easter)

Save rings you don't need with CoF tags. Even oceareon is a chase ring and hitting 1 LP on it with ascendance is def possible

(I got other jank rings with even 3 LP from the runes)

[nocturne oar]

oooh , nice test, i have about 25 ascendance runes i'll start collecting rings now 😁

[finite charm]

I got the idea from @frosty pelican but he had much better results than I did.

Still, a couple of oceareons is nothing to sneeze at

[heady spear]

I need ocearon so bad

I’m on 100c only n lack of right gear making me feel like my build startin to fall apart 💀

cause most of the uniques needed for my frost claw build are unique drops from bosses

and then the rest is exalted 💀

[kindred moth]

I feel this pain!

[heady spear]

not only that , I need 2 for my build 😭

idk if imma be able to kill the boss on 100c

[kindred moth]

I switched to farming for gear for that build with my falconer. Explosive ballista for the win!

[velvet tide]

anyone trying to farm the frost lich ?

[silver marsh]

at some point

what is your question?

[velvet tide]

just looking for a group to make this hunt for the gauntlets faster 😠

[crystal sigil]

Grouping doesn't really speed things up.

[velvet tide]

more ppl = more drops

[jolly trail]

ive found people in here for LA that don't need the same pieces as me. i was able to get my lp1 chest doing it

[crystal sigil]

Dealing with group mechanics means that people are just following you for little to no benefit, or you need to spread the mono progression around which will greatly slow things down.

[jolly trail]

LA is def faster with 2

[subtle jacinth]

did anyone else experience a bug where they had a boss specific body armour lp 1 prophecy and then get a lp 1 belt instead.

[hallow plume]

you sure it was body armor and not "armor" cause the icon is the same

[kindred moth]

This. Bit me more times than I care to remember.

[hallow plume]

also they don't give boss loot

[white narwhal]

Hi, can someone open me a portal to observatory?

[ember trout]

if i take a prophecy is there any way for me to see what it is if i dont remember? and does it have a time limit?

[hallow plume]

hit y

[ember trout]

great ty

[jolly trail]

do u still have 1 left on the proph take a look at it. liekly just isn't what you were expecting

[hasty crescent]

if trying to get a certain armor (exsang) would it be beneficial to join the circle of fortune over the merchant's guild for that purpose?

[jolly trail]

everyones saying mg has fallen apart due to duping/rmt and player base dropping off. mg would be much easier at the start of a season. exsang is something you can target with proph so that's a plus.

[silver marsh]

however a 0lp exsang is probably widely available and super cheap in mg

[hasty crescent]

negative, nowhere to be seen

at least nothing i could realistically afford if i could find one in MG

[silver marsh]

oh... wow.. i ve gotten like 3 exang in easily 500k favor spent on unique chests.. one of it had 2lp

[hasty crescent]

but i havent done COF yet, i have 3 chars and they're all merchants guild, i'll switch over tonight and see if i have any luck

[silver marsh]

exsang can be found using rune of ascendance. a good use for that rune

[hasty crescent]

im an idiot, i have a bunch of those

[jolly trail]

COF is a ton hours for a full build. even the easiest cof builds take forever to get

[silver marsh]

keep your expectations low. it does have a computer to brain interface, so you never get what u re looking for

[hasty crescent]

its just the last piece of the build that i need before grinding out for buying an LP version of it, i'll try anything at this rate lol

[silver marsh]

i d second that.. u will find a lot of people that got lucky and are super happy with CoF.. unlikely im gonna go cof next cycle if its not improved

[jolly trail]

using a 25% drop rate on frostbites i estimated 32 hours per LP2. to get two specific ones you would need 4 of those on avg. doesn't even factor in low rolling implicits which for some other pieces are very important.

id like to put estimates for every unique up if i can get my hands on the data. you could see how meme your build is going to be.

[silver marsh]

32h per lp2 is a no go

[jolly trail]

it wouldn't be too hard to make a planner that also told you the time to farm your uniques out

*add to a planner

[silver marsh]

either way.. i ll admit I had a lot of fun over the last 4 weeks.. it was a fun ride.. I played a lot of classes, most were super fun. but the endgame and item chase is kinda meh.. it felt absolutely unrewarding to push corruption.. once I had the base uniques i didn't really feel the need to farm 2 or 3lp, just to do the same stuff just on higher corruption. like higher corruption didnt feel rewarding enough

[jolly trail]

above 1k i guess the drops aren't changing much. the favor per hour probably scales up

idk how exactly people arrived at this conclusion. the only way to really test that is offline with mods and simulations

[silver marsh]

didnt get up to 1k.. stopped at like 700.. as i said, didnt feel like it was worth it. I was bored out of my mind

more prophecies for more useless loot doesnt sound very exciting either

[foggy shell]

Take a break, come back next season. No one expects people to play the game for months on end IMO. Once you've had your fun, cash out 🙂

[silver marsh]

but i m aware we're beta testing

[jolly trail]

i still haven't hit LP3 jelks

im swimming in the other dagger with acid

i even have a lp4 of that one if only i could of gotten that same luck with jelks

[silver marsh]

i'm maxxed cof.. didnt find a single lp4... i have a bunch of useless lp3

[jolly trail]

i found 2 pretty meh lp4 and nearly all useless items lol

[silver marsh]

then again.. if u play a broken build it doesnt matter much 🙂

[finite charm]

Weird. I've been finding random LP4s for a while

[velvet tide]

when i set my loot filter to look for exalted gold rings, why doesnt it ever find any?

[finite charm]

I would probably ask in #❔┃ask-the-community to help you with the correct settings

[jolly trail]

if you put a specific t6 or t7 affix on it then its going to be pretty rare to find

[finite charm]

Yeah, assuming this is what you did, you can't expect to hit it right away, but target farming can only help

[smoky wigeon]

ain't that common, also double check if you don't have hide exalted above it, and my tip is change the show option to recolor i for some reason have massive problems with the show option

[pearl cairn]

I do both MG and COF and R10 in both. When you are using one you just wish to be in the other one 😅 I wish higher corruption was rewarding and we could target farm better with Cof instead of completely random stuff but just more of the random stuff

[finite charm]

You can target farm with CoF. All you can't target are boss drops

[pearl cairn]

How do you target farm the exalted bases that you want ?

You just farm random rings let’s say or chest pieces for all classes

I don’t call this target farm 😅

[smoky wigeon]

lets say you want a one handed sword, pick the prophecy for one handed exalted swords, you might not get the exact base that you want, but I guess that's the best you could do atm

[finite charm]

80% lense, 90% lense, + unique lense or specific item lense

higher corruption -> more favor -> more prophecies

[pearl cairn]

What these 90% lenses have to do with target farming ?

[finite charm]

[pearl cairn]

I do play on night corruption

[jolly trail]

push your corruption up to the point where you're slowing down before you do other stuff

[pearl cairn]

Lenses only narrow the prophecies you choose

[smoky wigeon]

guess they add to your chance of getting your base by doubling your rewards

[finite charm]

Nope.

[pearl cairn]

They don’t narrow the loot to target farm

[jolly trail]

favor per hour goes up a lot

[finite charm]

Read what the 90% and 80% lenses do.

[pearl cairn]

I don’t play on 3k but I do play on 1.5

[pearl cairn]

I did 😄

[finite charm]

Ok, then let me explain it to you

[pearl cairn]

I don’t understand what you mean at all

[finite charm]

if a prophecy would give you 5 exalted or unique item as a reward, the lense would give you 10x instead.

[pearl cairn]

That’s obvious

[jolly trail]

did u swap from mg to cof? idk how u got to 1.5k without figuring out the proph system lol

[finite charm]

the other lense would let you do it more than once

[finite charm]

Right!?

I think the dude is trolling

[pearl cairn]

I was first in Cof up to 1450 corruption

You don’t read what I wrote actually about target farming

You are giving a solution to get more random drops of the item type

I was talking about more narrow and proper target farming

[finite charm]

Right, more drops from a specific type = more chances to get what you want...

that's called farming

[pearl cairn]

It’s not a specific type

[jolly trail]

favor per hour and more proph is all you can do....

[pearl cairn]

There’s many masteries and classes plus stats

[finite charm]

dude.

[pearl cairn]

I agree with that

[finite charm]

you're either being deliberately obtuse or trolling

[pearl cairn]

ATM this is what we have

[smoky wigeon]

Ye there isn't anything that helps you with getting your exact base without simply multiplying your rewards, I mean there are rare prophecies for like specific boot or amulet bases, but sadly not everything, and it's rare too so not really useful (exalted often better)

[pearl cairn]

I’ve expressed how I see things and that I wish we could target farm better

[jolly trail]

the blessings can help with random drops but just slamming proph for the item u need is all you got really

[finite charm]

You said there was no way to target farm

there is

you can't target a specific base

only a specific type of item

more loot = more chances to get the base you want

[pearl cairn]

That’s not target farm

It’s too broad to be called that

[finite charm]

um... you're targetting a specific item type, right??

cause you want a base within that item type

yes?

[pearl cairn]

Ofc I agree with that

[pearl cairn]

We can’t even class specific target farm. It’s just the item type

Not complaining or arguing with you what you are saying about the system

[finite charm]

if you're suggesting that prophecies should be broken down into item bases

[jolly trail]

the rares can be specific bases. they are never any of the higher lvl ones tho

[finite charm]

like, exalted sapphire rings as a prophecy for example

[pearl cairn]

That’s too technical to become reality for all the bases yes

[finite charm]

then that is probably best as a suggestion to EHG

[smoky wigeon]

if you want a specific base couldn't you do the rare prophecies that give specific base item types?
If there is one ofc for your base
with the cof effect of turning 25% rare items into exalted it could work out, if that actually works

[pearl cairn]

At least per class ?

[jolly trail]

it works great for legendaries but the bases are never the good ones

[pearl cairn]

I can get 1 mil favour for one Sunday and get nothing from it to upgrade my gear

[smoky wigeon]

ye i figured they don't have all the bases

[pearl cairn]

That’s what is pushing me to wish more specific target farming

[finite charm]

If you're really pushing 1.5k, you're basically trying to target T7s of very specific affixes on very specific item bases

ofc you're gonna have a hard time landing those

[jolly trail]

cof is a pretty big time sink. exalted are the least of my worries

[pearl cairn]

That why I have 2 characters in MG and one in CoF

[jolly trail]

ive yet to see the perfect oracle neck since i started for my build

my double exalts are always trash too

[pearl cairn]

Ultimately if I had crazy amount of playtime I’ll probably get what I need with prophecies

[finite charm]

@jolly trail yeah exalteds are the least i worry about

i have a decent catalyst equipped right now.... would i like a better one, damn right, but this one will do for now

[pearl cairn]

We need good exalteds to keep slamming

[finite charm]

I agree -- having multiple T6s or T7 and T6 on a single item is the best for slamming

but it's not something i'm sweating yet

that's super high corruption stuff to worry about

[pearl cairn]

We can have fun at our own pace and the gameplay we enjoy

[finite charm]

i mean, i just got this 1LP red ring, and I would love to have a ring with multiple T6s and all the right affixes to slam into it

but i don't

so it's either gonna sit until I collect better exalted rings, or eventually i'll lose patience and slam it with something with just a single T7 and hopefully not whiff

[pearl cairn]

I usually loose patience and slam 😂

[jolly trail]

cof needs its own lfg. you actually benefit from coop with gifting but i dont feel like it's very common

[pearl cairn]

Sometimes it works first try and sometimes it doesn’t at all

[finite charm]

It isn't. I've actually been playing with people here now though

so i'm trying to make it more common

and you do get double the loot

[jolly trail]

its hard to find people at the same cor lvl

[pearl cairn]

I played hours with a friend and we traded very usefull drops

[finite charm]

which makes things easier to farm

[pearl cairn]

But they need to improve coop play

So we push both corruptions

[finite charm]

COOP is indeed buggy

it's not even that

playing for about 3 hours

i had to restart the client twice or 3 times

[jolly trail]

marks lags crazy bad in coop

[finite charm]

so does ghost flame

[pearl cairn]

Sometimes we both had to restart many times

[finite charm]

So, it's possible, and fun to do coop -- i still think it's worth it

but they need to address those bugs for sure

[pearl cairn]

100%

[finite charm]

Looks like some MG peeps are starting to see ban hammers

[pearl cairn]

Playing with friends it’s always fun until we start having problems 😅

[finite charm]

Lol yeah, even less ideal when it's playing with strangers

[dreamy beacon]

@finite charm Dressing Appropriatly for MG I see ;3

[finite charm]

I'm not MG, but today, in solidarity, I shall wear this clown costume 😂

[young marlin]

How upset is everyone else at the rank 9 CoF reward, who uses set items at rank 9 when you can have multiple characters at 80+

[finite charm]

It's not the best

No one uses set items at high levels. They said they will buff them, but we'd rather have a level that gives us better boss unique drop rates or something

[dreamy beacon]

C2 Will be set only meta and everyone will be crying they have no sets

;3

[young marlin]

Oh yeah absolutely, adding it back in when they get set items where they are actually competitive is cool. Having it in now when we have to run a boss 20 times to get our required drop since there are no boss drop buffs (neither from tier or prophecies) sucks.

[finite charm]

😂 Could be. If they leave level 9 that way and sets become more powerful than legendaries then CoF will be king

Right now a crap ton of set items drop for me even though I'm never looking for them

[dreamy beacon]

Yeahhhh.

[young marlin]

Sadly as a pure CoF player I don't think even that will make CoF king, our drop tables just can't compete with the thousands of players worth of drops available to MG players unless we are given better targeted drop tuning. The stats are still too random, and getting to target unique boots is great until you realize the pool size and rarity of the pari you want.

[dreamy beacon]

IDk

I think CoF can compete if you juice the proffs.

only time MG is better is IF and only IF you get a good Drop.

Otherwise if you only get lp2' and below its kinda Bleh

I have toons on both. I geared my CoF faster

[young marlin]

Yes, CoF can compete. Once it is tuned to better help us target farm rather than just dump more drops on us.

[dreamy beacon]

yeah if we can target target sure

but even the loot dump

[young marlin]

I almost think exalteds from prophecies should always have T7 stat lines for example.

[dreamy beacon]

is better than hoping for a 12% of a 6% drop

as a CoF main I have no shortage of T7 stats

NGL

when it comes to HP% and Hybird or even Prime stat and so on.

[young marlin]

But are they the T7 stats you need?

[dreamy beacon]

Alot of them yes

HP for chest, HP For Head or Dagger Equided Crit chance

and a few Double t6

and triple t6's

I had my loot filter set up a long time ago

and I have quite a few stuff for not just my main

but Necro Wraith lord

and Lich

and Balista

[finite charm]

I don't have problems farming world uniques, the problem is boss ones

[dreamy beacon]

for Exmp

Yeah Boss'es are teh hardest part of it all.

[young marlin]

I do agree that bosses are currently the worst part, but still better tuning of prophecies is needed. As we push better gear in each slot and our filters show less there just isn't a signficant way to improve the quality of the drops.

[dreamy beacon]

Well CoF Is ment to a numbers game

not Quality but I understand.

the best thing you can do with COF is just loot Vomit and as long you have a good loot filter you should only see what you want.

I just want better filters for Uniques

Cuz yeah that is butt. xD checking every single one.

[jolly trail]

You mean any filter lol

[young marlin]

It's supposed to improve the fortune of players who like grinding their own gear. I'm not asking to just be handed BiS but I would like to feel like I have a little more control over getting better gear

[jolly trail]

Every unique proph that pops I risk my life to loot

[dreamy beacon]

lol

I know that feeling

[young marlin]

Proph's should dump in invy as long as you have room. although that would quickly overwhelm, prophs should dump anything that passes your loot filter into your invy as long as you have room. Also with better filters

[dreamy beacon]

its lIKE Oh SHII Shiny.

[young marlin]

Or better yet a CoF vendor that you go to collect your proph rewards with sorting and filtering. Once you're done a sell button to sell anything you didn't take.

No more dieing trying to collect my rewards in the middle of a rift please

[dreamy beacon]

Something like that would be nice for QoL. but.

I understand why they wont do this.

the game already has a bad problem with gold. End game and this will just Futher speedup the problem

[young marlin]

fine, throw them away then. loot isn't supposed to be collected to get gold anyway. I just want QoL for getting items from prophs, all other item drops as is is perfectly fine.

[dreamy beacon]

yeah but depending on loot filter that might still be kidna bad

unless they increase inventory size

cuz if I picked up everything my proffs that was "Red" (ImportantItems)

I will be full in about 20 mins

I normally pick up craft

if craft gets botched

move on.

[young marlin]

Thats why I prefer the vender option with a button click required to destroy everything there

[dreamy beacon]

For this to work maybe just double inventory size

[young marlin]

why do you need a bigger inventory if you are going back to CoF headquarters to recieve your rewards

[dreamy beacon]

I would perfer not go back to HQ to get my loot since my normal cycle is

get 200k Favor

Spend > Looot > 200k Favor and Repeat

[jolly trail]

my filters are only set for the handful of specs im playing on 2 classes. so stuff doesn't drop often that is an upgrade

[dreamy beacon]

if I had to go back to HQ in the middle of this would be kinda a Meh feeling

yeah my loot filter RN is for 4 classes since I wanna make more than a few classes

[jolly trail]

getting items for runes of ascension without a cof req filter is a pain. the runes are just not worth the effort in general

[young marlin]

I do get the love of picking up items as they are available, I feel long term being able to bulk run prophs then go sort through all the rewards when setting up the next set would end up feeling better in the long run. I also think it would be faster

[livid spruce]

The meta for that is grabbing a proph for your desired item type and slamming those

[dreamy beacon]

Man 4 more t7 Daggers. 2 Crit Strike 2 Lighting damage xD welp time to farm more Jelkors

[finite charm]

Hard disagree

LP1 Oceareon, LP3 of other rando rings, Oceareon no LP, and so on

[jolly trail]

much better off buying the ring prophs in my opinion

[finite charm]

it takes a while, but if you hit like 50 runes and you use them on CoF tagged rings, you'll end up being able to ascend like 80+ items

[finite charm]

Do both

takes all of like, 5 minutes to ascend 100 rings

if that

vendor the junk, keep the good stuff

[jolly trail]

runes vs ring proph is similar cost per unique. the runes nerf the lp to the ground is it's much worse not to mention all the inventory work dealing with them.

[finite charm]

I got LP1 oceareon with runes

shortly after, a red ring dropped with LP for me from a reward chest

i'm saying

use all the avenues available to you

[jolly trail]

the developers mentioned the lp rates are lowered on them. so it's really a no contest

[finite charm]

they are

that's for sure

i'm saying given enough items, like 100 rings

you're gonna get something decent.

[jolly trail]

more work and lesser value

[finite charm]

How is it more work?

it's rings that you wouldn't keep anyways

they're tagged CoF

takes all of a few minutes

[jolly trail]

u have to loot rings to use for them and do all this 1by1 vs just looking at what dropped on a ring proph

[finite charm]

i mean...if you think that's too much work, debating that is purely opinion so nothing i can do to convince you otherwise

shift + right click with forge open is not too much work for me

but if it is for you, that's fine i guess

[jolly trail]

my main argument is lesser value since the price is similar but the lp rate is nerfed

[finite charm]

price?? dude, you get random runes of ascendance and cof tagged rings randomly

no need to spend favor on that

not sure what you mean at all

[jolly trail]

now you're just arguing non-sense lol

"much better off buying the ring prophs in my opinion"

[finite charm]

um, i buy ring unique prophs, and do ascendance from looting

if i'm targetting specific unique rings

how tf is that nonsense??

[jolly trail]

because buying != looting

[finite charm]

I very clearly said do both.

#⭕┃circle-of-fortune message

[jolly trail]

yes and i made a clear case as to why you shouldn't ever buy runes

[finite charm]

i meant buy ring prophs

and use runes you find

[jolly trail]

lol

[finite charm]

not buy rune prophs...

where did you even get that from what i said? lol

i guess we werent even having the same discussion this whole time

[jolly trail]

hense the non-sense comment

[dreamy beacon]

Time to buy runes and tilt people ;3

[finite charm]

You were arguing against a straw man though cause i never said that

Would you agree that using found runes of ascendance on random CoF tagged rings is not nonsense??

i don't get it.

[jolly trail]

a statistical probability is a strawman?

[finite charm]

statistical probability that I said buy runes of ascendance? wtf are you saying

lol

i farmed 50 runes, just randomly playing, have never bought those prophs. Not sure what you're talking about man

[dreamy beacon]

bRoss you are missing the point. Phd is saying use all avenues to get to the end.
Buy Ring Proffs.
Use Runes On Trash Rings (Runes Found just playing the game not Prof runes)
Profit.

[finite charm]

This.

Seems other people understand what i'm saying.

[dreamy beacon]

Reading is hard dont worry I did it for him

[finite charm]

😂

[jolly trail]

the only point i made was to not buy runes....

[dreamy beacon]

and Hence Him saying

you and him were talking to a wall and having a moot agrument since both were thinking X and he was thinking Y

At then end you are right Rune Profffs bad.
Ring Profs good.
Use Extra runes on bad rings.

[jolly trail]

i guess it comes down to what "do both" meant. considering it was replying to a comment saying to only buy ring proph

[finite charm]

#⭕┃circle-of-fortune message

you said using runes of ascendance ("they weren't worth the pain in general" specifically)

not buying

that's why i said what i said

or at least, that's how it seemed to me

i don't go out of my way to buy those rune prophs. But i will buy unique ring prophs

and use junk CoF tagged rings that i found in loot with looted runes to also try to get unique rings

you then said that it was a waste of time to do that

hence this whole debate

so do both meant use looted runes on looted rings, and buy ring prophs

IMO using runes on rings is the only item it's worth using them on -- the other items take too much space in inventory it would require too many stash "trips"

Hope that clears that up

[vast pawn]

If i have a prophecy for t3 arena, will it also count if doing that requirement on t4?

[jolly trail]

yes but there are different arena bosses. i think they come out on different days similar to how dungeons have schedules. let me see if i can find the link about it

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/resources/arena-of-champions

in this it says the arena champion is random

so yes you can just do 4. it might take a lot longer than you expected tho since you won't always fight the champion you need.

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/arena

this does show you the daily rotation on mods

[finite charm]

Huh til

I thought t3 prophs didn't get fulfilled by higher tiers

Good to know

[dreamy beacon]

I am pretty sure they dont

atleast for Dungons they dont.

[solid seal]

Just adding my 2 cents

• Rune of Ascendance on an item type can generate any unique or set item of that item type, so the number of items in the drop pool will be much larger compared to a "Unique <item type>" reward. In the pool of rings are 3 set rings, 2 of which have common drop rates and the third having an uncommon drop rate. The chance of getting LP is around 60% less than what you would get from a level random drop in a level 100 area. Prophecy rewards are unaffected by area level and corruption scaling. If you have runes laying around, sure, use them. But if you are spending favor, avoid the runes of ascendance and target the actual item type prophecy.
• Each prophecy reward will apply a fixed rank faction requirement to its rewards. Equipped lenses are ignored. The base prophecy reward (before lenses) "Exalted Ring x7" applies a rank 7 faction requirement to all of its rewards. "Unique Armour (8 Weaver's Will) will apply a rank 2 faction requirement to all of its rewards. "Unique Armour (16 Weaver's Will)" will apply a rank 6 faction requirement to all of its rewards. This includes items that fail to convert to the appropriate reward. A rank 5 faction requirement is applied to any item that benefits from CoF and doesn't already have a CoF faction requirement on the item. So if a boss drops one of its fixed drop items and something on the item benefited from CoF (e.g. gained its LP by rank 6 benefit of double LP chance), then the item would get a rank 5 faction requirement. Extra idols, extra set items, exalted items that upgraded from rare or had an affix upgraded. Any item that isn't a prophecy reward and dodges the CoF benefits will drop without a faction requirement. Crafting materials (runes, shards, glyphs) and keys do not get a faction requirement. I think Rank 1 and 5 benefits do not apply a faction requirement at all as well.

The rank 10 benefit will copy the existing faction requirement applied by the prophecy to its reward.

[finite charm]

Rune of Ascendance on an item type can generate any unique or set item of that item type, so the number of items in the drop pool will be much larger compared to a "Unique <item type>" reward
What?

[solid seal]

Tier/Corruption requirements on conditions are minimums. You can complete them in higher difficulties. Arena can spawn one of 3 bosses on its final wave (wave 90 on endless). There is also a boss (not final boss "Arena Champion") that can spawn in trash.

[finite charm]

It's the same, you just get more of them in the rewrad

[jolly trail]

i only do dungeon 4. mine get completed

[dreamy beacon]

Musta been a recent change cuz When someone did some testing on this earlier it did not complete.

i can test later. but this is nice to know

[finite charm]

If you have runes laying around, sure, use them. But if you are spending favor, avoid the runes of ascendance and target the actual item type prophecy.
I mean yeah, buying rune prophs is not good

[solid seal]

"Unique Ring" prophecies only reward unique rings. There are 13 of them. Using Rune of Ascendance on a ring can generate any of those 13 in addition to the 3 set rings.

[jolly trail]

right below that i mentioned they are random according to the maxroll article. i think it's only the daily reward that rotates

[finite charm]

Yeah, i meant TIL about the T3 being fulfilled by the T4

that's good to know

i'll try it out, see if it works

[dreamy beacon]

Yep

I have alot of favor to spend

[solid seal]

Arena also counts for "Any Dungeon" btw, even though it has its own activity blocking lens

[finite charm]

So yeah, not buying rune prophs, but using looted runes as an additional avenue is what i recommended so i think we agree there

and TBH, rings are the only ones i'd do that on like i said

other stuff is less worth it

[solid seal]

rune of creation is useful if you don't have any

[finite charm]

That's true

[solid seal]

removals for endgame

[finite charm]

Failing a slam is bad

[finite charm]

Those are plentyful though

glyphs of despair are less common - and more useful for crafting, runes of removal are good for farming affixes

at least, in my experience

but it's all RNG so YMMV

[solid seal]

i need research runes for more insights

[finite charm]

Set up a mage farm

i have like 40 of those things (the glyphs of insight)

the problem with that is crafting T5 health loss on gloves is damn near impossible

after 40, i stopped using the rune to get the glyph

@solid seal https://imgur.com/a/OsLJ1qt

[solid seal]

I just do sanctum. 2+ practically every run.

but if I were farming spoons or cuckoo's, that would be useful

[dreamy beacon]

what is Cuckoos good for

I assume they have a RNG chance to become whatever but I assume that is it?

[smoky wigeon]

you could get some pretty nice off hand catalysts with it, but its random af, good thing is that the implicit is pretty useful (haste after traversal skill)

[odd palm]

T7 prefix, T2 prefix, T5 suffix, T5 suffix, T2 sealed affix will get you T5 health loss

[finite charm]

Oh wow, that's easier than the other way

nice

[odd palm]

what's the other way? lol

yea it's pretty easy to get T5. you just need to try getting all the bonuses to boos the exp affix

you can swap the T7 affix to prefix too

o nvm, you have to keep the T7 affix. youll probably have to find another combination for it to work tho

[finite charm]

right on

[odd palm]

T7 prefix*

[tame basin]

does the exp blessing from abomination effect favor gain?

[solid seal]

Yes.

[native isle]

call me crazy, but I switched from Age of Winter to Reign of Dragons, and I think I'm seeing noticeably more melee weapons drop now

I have a loot filter rule for things that should be worth selling

[finite gust]

why would you collect those things if you're CoF?

[tame basin]

tunklab has a list of the possible spawns per timeline. There are distinct differences, like some timelines not having Embermages, some not having Ogres

so its possible

more melee dropping mobs are in reign of dragons?

[finite gust]

do different trash and elites drop different items?

[tame basin]

im to lazy to check

[native isle]

because I like going to the vault

and seeing all the stuff drop

costs gold

[finite gust]

yeah, but why would you collect stuff to sell when you can't sell things?

[native isle]

uhhh why can't I sell stuff to vendors?

every 200g+ item

[finite gust]

ah, you mean vendor. Yeah, I pick up uniques and set items to sell, but I don't need any elabrate loot filter for that. I thought you meant selling on the bazaar.

[native isle]

nope

anything that's worth 200+ is the same as selling a key

and jewelry (rings and amulets) easy can sell for 400+ apiece

[finite gust]

yeah, pretty much. I will vendor the exalted items I that don't pass manual checks, but having a rule that lets them through intentionally sounds like a headache. 500+ is good enough.

[native isle]

I've sold plenty of amulets worth 1000+

I wish there was a rule condition for sell value

[finite gust]

I wish there were a rule condition for shard count, and multiple affix conditions on one rule.

I want to have a rule like: exalted affix from this list of 4, and then 2 other affixes from this list of 10

[native isle]

prior to release, someone scoffed at me when I suggested a sell value rule condition

they assured me that at end-game, gold drops were so high that the sell value of loot would be drops in the bucket

[finite gust]

I got 20k from the reward chest on the right last night in an echo

[native isle]

I wish it dropped more

[finite gust]

I'm not even 400 corruption yet, so I expect it will drop a lot more

[native isle]

ehh

the most I've seen it drop is 30kish

usually it's under 20k, and that's in my 460+ timeline

[finite gust]

and that's not enough?

[tame basin]

im getting like 150k per echo at 1100

[finite gust]

^

[tame basin]

more if i find a gold shrine

[native isle]

my current melee detonating arrow build won't get that high

without some of the final gearing upgrades, I'm about as far as it'll go

getting one-shot too often

[tame basin]

i think eventually every build is locked into diverting into low health ward builds at some point

some builds can go hhigher without it tho

[jolly trail]

did you get your LA gear slammed with hp?

i brought my health from 1800 to 3400 from slamming my t7 hp chest, hybrid hp boots, and i got crit multi on the vit neck

i dont run fast but i dont die clearing

id like to get t7 threshold boots and hybrid hp

[native isle]

I don't have stuff slammable yet

either I have the LP (have two daggers LP2) items or I have exalt options, but not both

[jolly trail]

la runs at 5min per is pretty big value

[native isle]

missing LP for the titan drops

yeah, that's on my list of things to do

I'm really close to CoF 10, though

[jolly trail]

getting good implicit rolls too

[native isle]

like, 300k favor from 10

[jolly trail]

need to make sure to get 60% endurance off it and good all stats

[native isle]

I have my endurance capped by the feet of the mountain procs

[jolly trail]

whats your hp now?

[native isle]

but I need to find helm and chest with the right LP and exalts to slam

1800

[jolly trail]

yeah i had issues around 700 with that low hp

[native isle]

I'm missing crit multiplier, as well

[jolly trail]

now with 3400hp i can do 1400 fine just dont have my personal cor pushed that high

[native isle]

I have an LP3 siphon ring I could use, provided I find a good exalt for it

[jolly trail]

you should only need the 1 +hp on melee hit

[native isle]

I'm using a Time Glass amulet for the survivability

[jolly trail]

that's probably the most important part of the build

[hazy elm]

what are u playing?

[jolly trail]

marksman

[hazy elm]

ah jelkors?

[jolly trail]

yeah

[jolly trail]

do u have 1 frailty source? thats 18% dr

[native isle]

uhhh

nope

I do have over 100% crit damage reduction, so there's that

[jolly trail]

in mattj latest builds he's got hp/thres on most of the t7s

[native isle]

that's cute

I don't get paid to farm all day

and frankly, with the drop rates being what they are, I really don't think I have the grinding necessary in me

[jolly trail]

idk how many la runs ive done but it's a lot

i still dont have lp2 boots. i got one but it's low rolled

[native isle]

I'm using an LP2 Ucenui's Sphere

don't have an exalt for it yet

there's all sorts of room for improvement, but at the same time, I also fear slams ruining gear and having to find new versions

I love the concept of slamming exalteds onto uniques, but the randomness of it is god awful

[jolly trail]

yeah there's no way around it. just have to throw hours at it. i do think the new build focusing more hp/thres is better.

its hard to get it all and its a lot of little things that add up

[celest swift]

i'm convinced deft does not exist on exalted daggers lol

[jolly trail]

frailty is tricky pretty much sealing on gloves or belt is the only two options that are good

[native isle]

yeah, my build is at a threshold for where it can go right now

I have all the important damage bases covered, but the survivability is lacking to push much further

[jolly trail]

i think the chest alone gave me 600

i did a lot of my la runs in coop

[native isle]

and I really don't think I'll be able to spend another full 24 hours farming

I'll either start another toon or just play something else

[jolly trail]

support sent is easy to gear for high corrption. you would have to play with a high dps class tho.

[native isle]

ew

why would I bother building a support toon when the game isn't better played with other people?

[jolly trail]

the gear requirement for that setup is very easy. even another cof dps could do it

[finite gust]

the best support is frostbite mage. ranged cc is king.

[native isle]

how easy it is to gear such a toon is irrelevant

the best defense is overwhelming offense

LE isn't a game designed around people playing together

[finite gust]

a thing that mage has in spades

[native isle]

yeah, I'm starting to build up the corruption in Reign of Dragons now to try to farm corrupted hearts

[jolly trail]

idk it works well and there's big synergy

[finite gust]

it kind of is. It needs more, but it has design for playing with people.

[jolly trail]

the time to gear for 2k with this setup is probably around 1/4

[finite gust]

if you have friends you play with and obtain obsidian essenses, you can do CoF and trade between each other to socialize the process of getting boss drops.

solves a weakness in CoF gameplay.

[native isle]

no, the game isn't designed around multiplayer

by virtue of corruption only progressing on one player

there's no aggro mechanics

[finite gust]

there are aggro mechanics

[native isle]

LE isn't designed around classes/roles

[jolly trail]

yeah the corruption pushing sucks but a support sent can't do anything by themselves so it doesn't matter too much

[finite gust]

and fixing corruption in multiplayer is not a hard problem to solve

[native isle]

you don't get it

[finite gust]

you don't get it

[native isle]

it's not about how hard or easy it is

but the fact that it wasn't done

sure, they'll change it going forwards

but that's only after the community has relentlessly pointed out the flaw in their vision

[finite gust]

those are just implementation details. they're not important

[native isle]

...

[jolly trail]

im just trying to mention some alternatives to solo grind

[native isle]

implementation details are important

[jolly trail]

coop works fine

[finite gust]

design != implementation

it's designed to work multiplayer, but the implementation leaves much to be desired

[native isle]

you aren't making a point

regardless

[jolly trail]

my point is coop support is 1/4 the time to gear for high cor

[native isle]

and until such time that LE has proper coop progression and I have a steady/regular coop buddy, it's out of the question

[finite gust]

the biggest problem I've had with coop is that sometimes it simply doesn't work. Some nights, the game just refuses to let us kill enemies.

they stay around with 0 hp and never complete the objective

[native isle]

that's called an "implementation detail"

[finite gust]

yep

[native isle]

the kind that "doesn't matter"

🙂

[finite gust]

it's not a part of the design

[native isle]

this?

[finite gust]

yeah, the game was designed to work. it just doesn't.

[native isle]

anywho

[jolly trail]

people say stuff doesn't work all the time but it's more like rarely doesn't work... people pushed 3k coop like week 2

[finite gust]

I don't know what's up with the mobs not dying bug. It's not an always broken thing.

[jolly trail]

ive not personally had that one happen and im probably 80 hours in on coop

[twilit jetty]

do you still keep ability to wear your gear if you switch from CoF to MG?'

if I switch back to CoF, do I keep rank 10?

[native isle]

you keep the ranks you've earned

[finite gust]

I believe any favor you have gets wiped

which is weird, cause it's shared between all characters

[native isle]

past the highest rank, was my understanding

[finite gust]

well, I mean the favor for buying prophecies

it's shared between characters, but if you have one character leave CoF, it gets wiped for everyone who's still in it.

so make sure you spend it all on any characters you have that are staying CoF before switching

[finite charm]

Anyone else having problems with soulfire bastion right now? Just did 4 runs in a row at T4 and got zero uniques, dude is only dropping rares...

dafuq

[jolly trail]

Not all the gear you find has cof req. You won't be able to wear any of that

[finite charm]

horrible april fools joke if it's not a bug

[jolly trail]

I've had a bug where the filter breaks and hides everything. You have to relog to fix it. It's easy to test by just toggling it.

[native isle]

huh... exiled mages count as bosses

[finite charm]

no, if i toggle tooltips i can see the rares

[pearl cairn]

That’s how boses are

[finite charm]

it's just nothing else dropping at all

[pearl cairn]

Just do more runs

[finite charm]

4 times in a row, not a single unique

that's insane

at level 4

[finite gust]

it's not a bug. You're pressing alt-z and disabling tooltips completely. You can press the keybind to reenable them.

[pearl cairn]

That’s normal for LE

I had a few drops in 13 runs

🤣

[finite charm]

Oof, i mean, i've always had at least 1 unique drop, even without LP

[pearl cairn]

This dungeon boss seems to do that

He dies very fast at least

[finite charm]

Yeah, he dies fast that's true

[jolly trail]

Could have been the tooltip thing. I couldn't loot anything with no filter on.

[finite gust]

yep, that's what happens. try pressing alt-z right now with something on the floor to see if it's the same thing you got before.

[jolly trail]

I just logged off

[celest swift]

Every 3rd mono i have to teleport out b/c Flurry doesn't work. There are definitely broken unpatched parts to the game.

[cursive scarab]

Is there a particular good place to farm for the Oceeanrion ring?

[native isle]

alright, I've won Last Epoch

https://imgur.com/a/WBELYxd

no need to continue playing.

[solid seal]

Bazaar > Prophecies > Rune of Ascendance >= Age of Winter "Unique or Set Ring" Echo Rewards > Random drop from killing.

[native isle]

I really wouldn't bother with focusing on Age of Winter

the drop rates for the "featured" items aren't higher in the random unique echos, and the "unique or set ring" is not anywhere near as frequent as it should be to be a target farm

best bet is to just keep doing ring prophecies

[cursive scarab]

Fair enough, figured I'd ask

[solid seal]

the fixed loot on bosses aren't shared drop tables. Each item rolls independently so its possible to get no items or all four.

[finite charm]

Fair enough. Apprently there is a bug with boss drop rates though

that devs are looking into (mod mentioned that)

[solid seal]

Yea, Exiled Mage, Shade of Orobyss, the 5 guardian statues in the corruption reset echo, the 4 soul vessels you have to kill before Abomination, the Mountain Beneath (boss before the heart in Arbor) are all bosses that will trigger "death of boss" prophecies. Like 95% of the monsters with the boss health bar at the top of the screen qualify.

[native isle]

oh ho, finally got a contender for my relic upgrade

I really wish exalteds didn't have to have 4 properties

[solid seal]

seal and pray?

[native isle]

it has 3

crit strik multi and lightning damage

only t6 and t5, but at this point I'm not being picky

going to add fraily to it

well, got t5 frailty on it

shame I don't have an LP3 ucenui sphere

time to go brick it in the eternity cache

[solid seal]

glhfggnore

[native isle]

I should stock up on dungeon prophecies before I do this

why is the 1 LP prophecy so damn much?

LP1 isn't impressive

[gleaming ridge]

The lp1 is not worth doing. Better off with the regular ones

[smoky wigeon]

+1

[pearl cairn]

The lp1 just means it starts to roll from 1 already

[gleaming ridge]

yeah I know but the price is just to high

[native isle]

the price is ridiculous

[toxic prawn]

What's a great build to do COF on?

[native isle]

uh

any?

CoF isn't build-specific

[toxic prawn]

I mean what scales into high corruption without significant gear barriers?

[native isle]

of course it slammed the two properties I didn't want

this is ridiculous

[finite charm]

There's lots of builds running half exalted stuff

At high corruption

Check out LE tools site

[smoky wigeon]

had some 25% brick chances on lp1s, these p111ssed me off 😂

[native isle]

it doesn't feel good to spend all that time finding the items just for RNG to brick it

I like random drops

I don't like random results of me specifically doing something that takes time investment

[smoky wigeon]

well it's at least not like late game 1% success rate lost ark crafting

[native isle]

that is also stupid

[smoky wigeon]

yup

[native isle]

the problem as I see it could be fixed just by allowing an exalted of the same item type with any number of affixes on it to be combined with the unique

give us agency

let the risk be crafting the exalted item

not the eternity cache

[smoky wigeon]

i think they don't want to allow you to guarantee success on a roll, otherwise it would get to easy to remove affixes you dont want to have on your lp2 or lp3

[native isle]

can you imagine if in D2, runewords had a 50% chance of just failing to apply and being used up?

nah, removing affixes isn't that easy

the problem is the drop rates for LP2/3 end-game gear is atrociously low

if you're relying on 100k players to find gear, that's one thing

[smoky wigeon]

well prefixes are very easy to remove with insight glyph and glyph of despair

if they aren't t5

[smoky wigeon]

i guess we'll see what they change for the next cycle

[smoky wigeon]

oh hell no, get this guy out of here someone

thanks mods

[frozen pebble]

For a prophecy that says 120 corruption, do you have to run that monolith at exactly 120 corruption or anything above also works?

[smoky wigeon]

120 or more

[frozen pebble]

So as long as your above the required corruption it still works?

[smoky wigeon]

yup 120,121,122...9000

[frozen pebble]

sweet. Thanks

[solid seal]

all conditional requirements are minimums

[nocturne oar]

thats not the same for arena prophecy tiers tho right?

if it says tier 2 does it have to be exactly 2?

[smoky wigeon]

i believe so, had a couple t1 t2 t3 with the same objective did it on t3 and only got the t3 reward

it's a little weird, there should be a tooltip to give some info on that, also for dungeons, not entirely clear

[nocturne oar]

ah okay... i dont like doing arenas so i dont want to be in there more than i have to 😅

[smoky wigeon]

but i can't give concise info on arena or dungeons especially if it's about prophecies that are linked to them, I do them pretty rarely 😂

[nocturne oar]

lol same i try to reroll them as much as i can

[solid seal]

yes, tier on arena is a minimum. Just keep in mind that arena has three bosses of which only 1 spawns per run.

"Death of Arena Champion" is the event that will progress on any arena boss kill

You can also progress "Any Dungeon" conditions in arena

[hallow plume]

do you have a link to the post by chance?

[sharp chasm]

Whats the best way to farm Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros in CoF, prophecies seem to drop the same stuff every time. Draining my energy away... even a 0lp one would do

[hearty star]

prophecies can not drop boss items

[livid spruce]

The only way is farming the boss, prophecies don't help at all

run in empowered, highest corruption you can comfortably speed through

[silk lichen]

0lp is fairly common just keep grinding empowered

[sharp chasm]

ohh soo prophecies can't drop those, I see 😂 makes sense now
thank you!

[supple halo]

with CoF you have better chances for boss items to have LP potential right?

[gleaming dagger]

no

[livid spruce]

yes

at least, I haven't seen any solid dev answer on it

now that the channel is back open again, we can ask

[heady spear]

frozen eyes of formosus is legit 50% common and somehow i got the dookie uncommon boots

[blazing stratus]

quick question about CoF: Can I get dungeon bosses and monolith bosses from profecies? For exemple, if I get a unique relic profecy (in a dungeon), are the relics from monolith bosses in the loot table?

[hearty star]

you cant get boss items from prophecies

if you want to know if you can get a item use last epoch tools item database if the item says "random drop" then it can drop from them

but yes you can get dugeon boss kills and mono boss as the goal of the prophecies

[blazing stratus]

thank you! that clarifies it

[hearty star]

it wont help you get the boss unqiue drop tho

[blazing stratus]

was about to as that xD

[warped spruce]

but still it is twice likly to get lp right?

[livid spruce]

The boots are equally common, and also generally way more useful than the amulet

[jolly trail]

does anyone have a calc for drop rates on boss items with corruption?

[whole hornet]

is there any way random fortune member can send to me apatys maw axe ?

[jolly trail]

a 0 lp unique only needs a golden reso

exalted items and lp uniques need obsidian which can take 8 hrs to get

[whole hornet]

i mean like can someone who never playd with me 😄 ?

[jolly trail]

nope you have to have a reso with someone

if something drops in the same run you can gift anything with no reso

when i was farming maw i got anyone i could join me on shade to get it

[whole hornet]

im lbl 67 i try to make my run to corruption 50 then is % boss drop it

[jolly trail]

are u vk?

[whole hornet]

yea

[jolly trail]

dont even mess around in normal it takes ages to push normal to 50

[whole hornet]

i make lvl 100 monolith

[jolly trail]

go straight up the right side and do the 3 lvl 90 mono to unlock empowered

empowered starts you at 100

[livid spruce]

Yes

[jolly trail]

you need 120 to get the belt to drop

[whole hornet]

i cant even make normal echo run died first one like 4 time now xD

[jolly trail]

autobomber is much easier to gear out early

[whole hornet]

i just try get xp and some loot to survive it first

[jolly trail]

you only need like half your exalted with the right stats and you can get to 500 cor

[whole hornet]

missing relic and weapon only in build and levels

[jolly trail]

id highly recommend making your filters look for various vk builds like autobomber, rive, several warpath builds

[whole hornet]

i have warpath build

[jolly trail]

find them all and make sure you are picking up the loot

[whole hornet]

filter all done but no good weapon jumps out

[jolly trail]

with cof you're finding loot for every build out there at once

[whole hornet]

just quited from market

its now take to level up again

[jolly trail]

cof is much much more grindy than mg

it gets better with higher cor and r10

[whole hornet]

made 160hour almost to get 200m on market xD

[jolly trail]

warpath is a very difficult build to grind

[whole hornet]

and now simple items prices is like 500m+

[jolly trail]

all the mg people switching dont know what they're getting themselves into lol

[whole hornet]

market prices like now we have

feels fortune cool

[young marlin]

quite honestly this, if you can get a group of 4 together 4x your chances

[jolly trail]

i still have never seen a 2lp maw. i only got several 1lp

i have a couple 2 lp rings, 1lp belts, and 1 lp maws

shade is by far the worst boss in the game to farm

[whole hornet]

sold lp2 before when im in market xD

[jolly trail]

ive heard you can buy warpath stuff cheap on mg

[whole hornet]

playd with someone with lvl 100 who killed boss

[jolly trail]

it's horrible to farm the shade build

[whole hornet]

nothing in cheap in market now

[jolly trail]

id strongly suggest another build for cof. hh builds you get 10k hp with basic gear

sent is just weak though. other classes can blow past it

[whole hornet]

10 k hp ?

[jolly trail]

10k ward

[whole hornet]

seen today video about paladin ward build

dam it was so dam stupid one click to 5k ward xD

[jolly trail]

divine bolt is strong but i think it's pretty specific and difficult to gear

divine bolt is like 150k ward

in bis gear

its also like 6min boss kills at 2k

[whole hornet]

is there any point to go 2k ?

[jolly trail]

u do get more favor per hour if u are actually clearing the same speed. builds like divine bolt do not clear faster

none of the sent builds scale dps like the meta dps builds

several builds can clear 600-800c with good speed

[whole hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8KF6QdN6w

[jolly trail]

929% is probably around 800-850c

[whole hornet]

i want to be weak hp build axe user xD

ward thing make it like play game with bug and have fun

[jolly trail]

runemaster frostclaw is op. i dont much about gearing that

marks is also very strong and fast

none of the gear is too difficult to get

[whole hornet]

every build what use ward is good

without ward they sucks

[jolly trail]

the actual loot dropping isn't much better after 1k. idk how this was tested tho

[whole hornet]

but favor is better ?

[jolly trail]

yes from a speed farming perspective

if you clear 2k half as fast as 1k then they are equal speed farm wise

the 1k would be going more bosses and getting more rewards too

so really only equal favor wise

i dont think many builds speed farm faster than marks and frostclaw

[upbeat hatch]

marks...man?

[jolly trail]

yeah jelkhor setup

its the highest drop rate dagger and you can get it from proph

1k on marks is still a lot of hours on cof

80 hour time commitment minimum

pushing cor up is a big time commitment in itself. ill take fast at 1k over pushing to 2k

[young marlin]

which frostclaw? that's what I've been building up but I don't feel super fast

[jolly trail]

runemaster

[jolly trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IInVp-phqAU

just the first video ive found

you should be able to dig up ton on it. it's very popular

[young marlin]

there's currently 2 runemaster frostclaw builds

but just from the pause on that video I can tell it's the one I'mn running

my friend hates running with me because he's on the mark build and can never see things he needs to dodge

[jolly trail]

yeah it fills the screen

marks isn't much better in that regard tho

marks lags pretty bad

[young marlin]

Oh I have a different build I'm running though, my helm is crest of unity so each nova is all 3 overlapped

[jolly trail]

i play marks so idk a lot about gearing frostclaw

id guess either build needs fairly perfect pieces to get 2k

[young marlin]

probably

[jolly trail]

i got my marks to 3.2k hp and i can do 1400 pretty well

i dont have my 3lp jelks yet. i really need the lightning dmg to kill things faster

[young marlin]

Both me and my friend have waffeld a bit on what we wanted to play so we are just starting to hit the right gear pieces and push for LP.

[jolly trail]

if u both play together mostly sent support is strong

60-100k ward and dmg increases. perma stun on boss

[young marlin]

Once I've got all my slots a little closer on tuning I'll see how far I can push but on my main I'm only up to 300 or so

yeah he was running sent for a bit

[jolly trail]

vk support is really good.

[young marlin]

300 isn't my max, it's just how far I've unlocked one mono. had a couple weeks of new games that stole my epoch grind time

[jolly trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRa0sE1MF6U&t=818s

snap hit high arena and high cor early playing with sent supports

[young marlin]

I know I can reset skill trees instantly with an exp run but I really hate the work that needs to be put in to try out testing and tweaking builds. I want instant respec in towns so I can just go build then try a couple rifts

[jolly trail]

double dps is going to be stronger for speed farming at 1k if you have already started gearing it. sent support builds really only shine in the very high cor ranges

[young marlin]

I don't even know how high I'll end up pushing since it's not like higher corruption really improves drop rates or quality

[jolly trail]

yeah i agree. im tuning my marks to go as fast as possible at 1-1.5k range

[ruby linden]

It does though?

[young marlin]

How much? Enough to warrant the slow down on run speed? is 2k or more corruption going to significantly help me get 4lp drops that I need?

[finite charm]

#❔┃ask-the-community message

[ruby linden]

I think they said 1000 corruption is a ~15% increased chance at higher LP? Don't quote me. It's in the 1.0 patch notes

"Average legendary potential and weaver’s will now also scale up slightly with corruption. For example, Uniques have around a 5% higher chance for 1+ LP at 100 corruption, 10% at 300 corruption, and 14% at 600 corruption."

[jolly trail]

I wonder if that only means 1lp

Or is it every tier gets that boost

[young marlin]

With some looking around it appears players have noticed no increase after 600 LP, so again why bother pushing 2k corruption and the like

[jolly trail]

The favor gain does scale

[young marlin]

That's just increase in exp earned, favor gain directly corelates to exp gain, not 1 to 1 but x%. Higher corruption = more exp however if your clear speed drops too much then it drops your per hour gain

[jolly trail]

There's certainly builds that speed clear 1k+ like I mentioned earlier. Marks is very strong at that range

[young marlin]

Yeah and I do agree with pushing your corruption to what you can sustain speed wise, however there is no reason to keep pushing once your clear speed starts dropping.

[jolly trail]

Yeah it can really scale. The super bis marks can do 2k at the same speed

Still killing shade in a few seconds

[ruby linden]

That's fair. I don't think they expected us to hit the insane corruption levels we're reaching. I couldn't get a response from mike though. I'll try again another time

[finite gust]

with regard to reaching insane corruption levels, he's confirmed that 4-digit corruption is higher than they were expecting, but they aren't ready to talk about how they'll address that.

[ruby linden]

Word

Did he say anything about Forge Guard?

[finite gust]

the only relevent thing I can think of is, we shouldn't expect a huge number of skill changes in 1.1. They're focussing on other things first.

[ruby linden]

Fair

I can wait a little longer for him lol

[finite gust]

the ask the devs channel is taking questions right now. Why are you waiting?

[young marlin]

Where was that confirmed? I've seen old posts of his saying it takes too long to get to 4-digit corruption and they don't currently have a corruption cap planned.

[finite gust]

yesterday: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

and scroll down to find him restating the sentiment that 4-digit corruption is a result of balance mistakes

[young marlin]

reading his comments it more of sounds like it takes longer than it should to hit 4 digit corruption, not that it shouldn't be hit at all.

[young marlin]

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