⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[solid garden]

Pro tip: don't corrupt your first 1lp one 🥀

[rustic grotto]

Uncomfy Confy Mentioned wanting either the int corruption or lightning/spell damage.
Hitting the corruption pool is 1 in 2, hitting int is 1 in 10 then its 2 in 7 to hit max int for a total of 1 in 70.
Hitting the normal affix pool that can hit t7 is 1 in 5, then it is 1 in 31.55 to hit either lightning or spell damage, then it is 2 in 7 to hit t6/t7 for a 1 in 552.

Combined, that gives a 1 in 62 to hit. With 60 attempts, that still a ~38% chance to fail.

[steep trellis]

Sp what you ar saying this is a crappy corruption system got it

[rustic grotto]

Yeah... I am not a fan of it

[steep trellis]

Idk why we gotta do all the tier affix on corruption since it should feel amazing hitting the one you want

[rustic grotto]

Oh, I forgot the 3 in 4 for positive outcome....

[umbral kelp]

and twice for the lower tier affix lol

I can't believe we got one result for random from tier 1-7

[steep trellis]

I know its weighted on more positive than negative outcomes but i have corrupted like 20 1 lp horizon and gotten 0 useful corruption

[umbral kelp]

and an extra set just for 1-3

[steep trellis]

If at least the aoe one was like t7 maybe I could accept that one but no had to roll t2

[distant leaf]

Maybe if you're trying to hit one specific affix you are interacting with the corruption system in an unhealthy way

That's just not the design intention

[steep trellis]

Have you ever corrupted anything in any arpg

You corrupt for stuff useful for you

And some stuff is bis

Like frenzy on relic for example warpath

I couldn't care less about any other mod since I need that one ,not even trying for 2 lp corrupt on some items just 1lp

You may like it and thats ok but its as bad for the player as it gets

Cause you gotta factor all the qol that we lack to make the crafts

[distant leaf]

The idea that the only thing your build can make use of is T7 int is just silly to me, and its your own requirements and expectations setting up this frustration

[steep trellis]

I hit once a t3 melee void on horizon if it was t7 maybe could try with erasing strike since I am interested on hit with t3 yeah nah crap

[steep trellis]

Nope have you ever seing at tier affix corruption outhere

Do you know why doesnt exist

Cause is crap

But hey let's defend that

[distant leaf]

T3 melee void is better than not having anything

I don't know. We just don't see the system the same way

For people where only BiS of acceptable, LE's creating is frustrating

2 LP must be filled with perfect 2T7

[umbral kelp]

I mean, some stuff are enabled only by a specific corrupted affix

[distant leaf]

Corrupt must be perfect affix at t7

[umbral kelp]

so that doesn't seem right either

[distant leaf]

What stuff?

[umbral kelp]

like if you're trying a corrupted attribute build, if you don't get the right corrupted affix on the amulet, you can't even get started

[distant leaf]

I think its good to have builds like that

But at a player you only attempt builds like that AFTER you have the item

[umbral kelp]

so if you want to play it

you try to get it

[distant leaf]

Again, this is a player expectation problem

And that is a design problem too

But having those in the game makes corrupts more interesting because you can have a piece of loot turn out a certain way and react to it, and imagine a new character around iy

It*

And I really like that

But obviously if you set out ti play a certain build and then chase a 1 in 1000 chance to even be able to do it you're gonna have a bad time

I think Last Epochs gearing system is mostly great. I definitely have complaints, mostly about the progression curve

But I have little sympathy for people who imagine their perfect item, fully understanding its a 1 in 1,000,000,000, and then grow frustrated with the game for not making that item more accessible

[umbral kelp]

on the other hand if you make a whole new system and the only real good thing you can expect from it is a 1:1mil, maybe it wasn't very great design

[distant leaf]

I think this is just objectively false

I've had many upgrades and good outcomes

This is only the case if you're imagining the perfect outcome on a perfect item

Its you being absurdly picky for no good reason

[steep trellis]

I what world a t3 melee void corr allows me to test horizon for es

Some stuff needs ro be t7 or at least t6

Like you can like the system but I wont blame the players

Poe 2 had an awful temple season like the loot was awful ,(that's the fault of the devs same here BTW) so nobody run it,so why did they do with it well buff it way too much but who cares people were actually engaging with the system now, I would stop blaming people for the shortcomings of the activities we do in this game

[umbral kelp]

I'm only using your example

[steep trellis]

This corruption loot is bad straight unless you tell me you are gonna spend 5 month grabbing 99% idols and omens that are mostly useless

[distant leaf]

No, you're saying that my example is "the only good thing you can expect", which is the false part

In fact, the center of my argument that going in with a "only a t7 result of one specific affix is an acceptable outcome" mindset is the fundamental problem

[umbral kelp]

first of all, I thought the argument was a specific affix, not a t7 of a specific affix

and for some cases, the only good thing you can expect is a specific affix if that's the only thing letting you do what you want

corruption's pool is honestly a bit too large, tho I don't know what can be done about it

it's basically all the affix you can normally get on it, which is already a huge list

then an extra pool of corruption only affix

some of which will completely brick your build if you're unlucky

and you get double weight on T123

[steep trellis]

They just dont get this

I am sure I dont have like 70 possible corruption outcomes in poe 2 on a chest

Nothing can be done about it its made this big for a reason,same way it has tiers . Since they just want you to spam 1t7 and corrupt and not play your character past that,you just gotta take the L

After 1 lp everything its even worse cause now you have ro factor in julra rng bricking most of your slams ,thus leaving you with less stuff to corrupt

[umbral kelp]

in terms of tier, the result being at least T6 often kinda matters because otherwise, that's just the same as doing a T7T5 slam on LP2

at least T7T5 has 33% chance of hitting the one you want

[frosty pelican]

+1 was like 1 in 25 iirc based on weights to hit t7t5 is now 1 in 75 because julra eats 2/3rds

In additional to needing 75 2lp unstables

[steep trellis]

Call me entitled if you may but I would have felt 100 times better if I could have corrupted like 50% of what I threw at julra this season or at least just pass the slam for some of them,so far all my 2 lps corrupts have not giving me any op corruption i wanted.

[steep trellis]

I should have imprinted this stuff before 🥲 so much and red rings at this point not sure i am getting a 2lp slammed on unstable got like 14 rerolls ready for it from bricks

[fluid copper]

GL

on your brick/OP gear

[peak pulsar]

TBH I don't really know why we need two layers of RNG as the final crafting step instead of just one

Julra RNG kinda stopped making sense to me when they added Rune of Corruption

Also, unrelated but I don't think I'm ever going to try crafting primordial exalted weapons again without massive changes to how this works

by far the worst experience I've ever had in LE

primordial uniques are so much easier to get in a good state it's not even funny

[steep trellis]

Do you think its bad for the game if players could just pick what t8 they want

I had amazing exalts that just bricked because of it,like I also agree its godawful feeling experience in general not sure why players cannot get a W in there

[peak pulsar]

I think Rune of Evolution should cost zero forging potential (or hell maybe even add like +10 forging potential), and specific weapon bases should be an order of magnitude easier to target farm

I am convinced the devs responsible for balancing rune of evolution have literally never tried to craft a primordial exalted weapon even once

[steep trellis]

This right here 100% same can be said for many stuff, like for sure they didn't even play their own endgame corruption omen mechanics

Or players just gotta suffer cause arpg players are like that, which i dont think thats fair to us the player base

[peak pulsar]

maybe someone verified it works by spawning in an item using dev tools, give it 250 forging potential and double t7 on the correct base

[steep trellis]

I also think they doing offline testing way more than online

[peak pulsar]

under those conditions sure, seems fine 👍

[steep trellis]

Like the only thing worth doing in group play this league is the omen content and it doesn't give resonance and barely any favor like who tested this or its just cof having to take a L

Meanwhile 1.3 troves imprint mega hard,favor mega gain,spend it on prophecies get 3 lp boots and so on rinse repeat

[peak pulsar]

resonance is definitely an afterthought at best

I did notice some omen stuff spawning exp tomes which technically is favor I guess, weird approach though

not sure why they can't just make omen mobs work normally

[steep trellis]

Yeah thats how you get little favor if it wasn't for it almost 0 but still tomes are severely nerfed from what they were

[steep trellis]

Answer i got its because they work differently from arena mobs or beacon mobs , which is kinda sad for the players,since its basically same thing mobs spawned out of air

[peak pulsar]

I hate answers like that tbh

[steep trellis]

To not have exploits,ok who in mg cares about that this is just bad for cof

[peak pulsar]

like it's your game, you made the mobs work that way, find a solution

don't just shrug and act like it's the weather or something you can't control, lmao

[steep trellis]

The answer before to my questions was to avoid exploit,or we forgot🤣 ty Mike appreciate that

[peak pulsar]

if they think people are going to exploit omen mobs somehow, just make them stop giving exp and resonance after a certain amount of time

don't make that the default and punish everybody preemptively

[peak pulsar]

like I could see how it would be exploited, it's just such a bad fix

[steep trellis]

Here i found it

Yeah but its cof not mg even if exploit not like it does anything

[peak pulsar]

you'd just keep spawning omen mobs forever by dipping in and out of the circle

making the omen mobs stop giving exp or resonance after like 60 seconds of combat would kill that potential exploit without punishing normal gameplay

[steep trellis]

The beacon meta was way worse than the trove meta way more boring as well

[peak pulsar]

maybe a bit longer for omen's veil or whatever

[steep trellis]

Like they have solutions for it ,its just they never did anything about it and never will mostlikely

[peak pulsar]

I don't even necessarily mind them preemptively nerfing exploits like that, but you can't half-ass it

especially not when it's the first season in nearly 8 months

do the work and implement the proper fix, not the 10 minute hack job

idk, maybe they're just betting on most players not noticing or not caring

[steep trellis]

Probably but even casuals after a while start seing the problems

Honestly thats how it feels nowdays half -ass work ,let me kill imprints but do nothing else to improve the loot

Omen dropping multi exalts corrupted that cant be slammed its just evil

[fluid copper]

You sound really invested, but chill out. I see you're interested in the game that they offer. And yes it doesn't actually deliver

But please chill out

Your point of view is interesting to read and see. A good critic. I don't think then can fix it in 10 minutes. LE has been always junky/clunly/broken and i don't think it will ever move from that place

[peak pulsar]

it's called using hyperbole? and idk what you think a chill conversation looks like, I just replied to some stuff I had thoughts on while bored on my phone

[rancid shore]

class idol prophecies aren't weighted to your current class right?

they just poop out a ton of idols of whatever type the prophecy was for and that's it?

[peak pulsar]

regular idol drops are weighted and will be for your class more frequently than other classes, idol prophecies aren't weighted for some reason

might change next season with the CoF rework, could be worth posting a suggestion just to make sure it's on their radar

[opal berry]

you can make your own build and generally get to 300 corruption, real fun, wierd builds

[exotic sable]

Can you elaborate? I'm heading into endgame and want to farm stuff this week

[exotic sable]

So your grand wisdom is the devs are inept and we should just accept it.
That's how the game dies. Your concern trolling is way worse than hyperbolic but valid criticism/feedback

[rustic grotto]

They used to be, was changed together with idol affix weightings in 1.2. Neither was mentioned in the patch notes.

[exotic sable]

For some reason the devs suddenly think this game is PoE.
If I want friction and shitty rng and a game that never gives me anything good I can just play PoE.

Right now I'm having okay fun. But 1) I didn't play last cycle
2) Anurok frogs is fun to play

But I already see the vast amount of problems we have now. They made imprints worse, crafting is getting worse and the corruption mechanic is just as bad I thought initially because too many layers.

They did the exact same thing that PoE does as well, where they use outliers for marketing their new mechanic. They show you corruption results that you will never ever even get.

I'm most likely going to slam some 1LP items and try to kill endgame bosses this time around.

But I'm really concerned about where this goes.

If I can't have a good solo self found experience there is no reason for me to play this over other alternatives. It boils down to that.

So hopefully they stop "balancing" their game to death.

For starters corruption outcomes shouldn't roll tiers as well. Or alternatively scale somehow.

If I corrupt my high level unique with a t7 slam on it and get tier3 health Regen or whatever then let's be frank, your system sucks ass.

[steep trellis]

Before because imprints were so good and allowed to basically try any build that peak your interest at will,and then min max any of them you would set up unclaimed troves echoes with folly around it basically 5 unclaimed per 1 folly affecting it,this gave insane loot and favor in general so was amazing for progression and Loot, now since imprints are useless there is no really a point to run that anymore ,maybe temples plus folly, i for sure aint spamming exile mages exho and resetting for favor gain

Party play was a lot fun in 1.3, party play in 1.4 its pretty much done for 💀 ty to EHG vision of the game

Omen give no resonance,and barely any favor thus making it a kinda bad endgame activity,paired with corrupted exalts and corrupted uniques they dropped means loot is worse

[steep trellis]

Ssf its a lot worse this league unless you care about 1 lp corrupt, since i enjoy certain builds more than other and want to min max them a bit for progression of said character,this season is more like forger about playing your character after a certain point. Cof and mg too also a lot worse .knowing ehg next league maybe they do something about it for now its bugfixes and thats it until next season

[exotic sable]

Yeah I did that strat, not even that much but it's really sad how downgraded loot is now.
I was going to try the primal beast woven echos and buying amber bags self-sustaining strat for a while and then probably quite after doing some 1LP slams into bad corruptions.

Items just shouldn't be all that rare and the more rng you put in the less rare they should be actually.
Last time I played a really good 2LP slam would have been the reasonable ceiling to go for, now it's less because you wanna corrupt as well. 3LP and 4LP basically don't exist.
If I can't print red rings or exalted bases then I can't get BiS items, ever.
Which is dumb, it's a seasonal game. Let me "finish" the game during a season I'll be back next season just put in new stuff

[sage hearth]

fun police said no

2t7 should be super rare!!!

then it drops with 35FP GOOD LUCK CRAFTING ANYTHING WITH IT!!!

then face the true end game boss Julra!

and when u still hit, use our new shitty mechanic to have a 99% chance of getting jack shit

[opal berry]

duede 2t7 dropped in my non empowerd mono, 2t6 drops all the time...im not sure if i found a glitch

[opal berry]

play legacy, there is no reson not to

[rancid shore]

I thought so and wanted to double check. I was using it to look for idols for another class

[subtle sleet]

Legacy just means you are bumming off your prior seasons good drops

When it was aplenty

[exotic sable]

yeah I don't get how that's a solution. If it was meant as a "gocha" it's regarded.
there's a reason seaons and 'classic servers' are popular. the reset + fresh economy + changes + new things + seasonal mechanic are a huge draw

[tired saffron]

currently farming julra for the equips. Just to make the most of it, is there a lens combination so that all prophecies would give "Kill Julra" ?

[livid spruce]

No, there's not. You can do the lens combo that gets rid of most area-specific conditions (disable all non-mono, disable all mono). Also you may want to consider the "Warden's Echo" Weaver tree node that puts dungeon packs in the monolith; with that, you'll sometimes see packs of temporal hunters - if you come across any in an echo, full clear that echo, they can drop Julra's drops.

[frosty pelican]

You wont get much favor while farming Julra anyway so you dont have to worry about reaching limit. Temporal also has no corruption so no LP bonus for uniques.

Additional, out of the 80 some prophecy conditions available only a handful are for Julra vs many for monos.

Basically dont target dungeon prophecies. Just wait until you are doing monoliths again and take those prophs. Life will be much easier, or just take both when you see either

[tough storm]

can anyone port me to cof to join on new character?

[near sundial]

you can get weaver weapons form prophecy's?

[umbral saffron]

yes, the non-boss ones

[halcyon marten]

been switching to COF and I really like T7 Drop bonus and Boss specific reward bonus, had dropped 3 Harbinger and Abberoth Unique 4 piece at once

and drop some expensive unqiue that can sell a lot in MG but have to remind myself that if I'm MG then it won't drop in the first place lol

btw, been MG for a while but never check, Can't we buy Rune in MG right? only COF that have increase Rune drop?

[gritty creek]

you can't buy runes in mg

[exotic sable]

bruh when does the third lense slot unlock? http://puu.sh/KLJDu/cbdc5f430e.jpg

[mild sonnet]

The imprint nerf feels so bad man

[delicate cloak]

Rank 9.

[blazing narwhal]

How to farm Rune of Havocs

[sage hearth]

low corr -> Rampant coast/abberoth/ubberoth
high corr 1000+ -> just running monoliths i drop 1-2 by just clearing the bare minimum mobs i run into , havocing like every remotely good drop nowadays and i still have over 300 of em, they eventually become a resource u can waste however u want

low corr havocs/redemptions are asspain tho

[halcyon marten]

I watch this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ5Pxcwi0QI

[fluid copper]

spec your tree for it or do prophecies if you're CoF

something like that https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdKWz2M

[oblique flax]

Primalist, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 1,112, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 106.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 3 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 2% / 2%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 222

Used skills:

None

[fluid copper]

then beast, or whatever

[steep trellis]

You are missing fury and fortune for rune drops

[fluid copper]

yeah i did fix that

beasts are also a good call for havoc

[steep trellis]

If you can kill uber,its the best source of havocs in thr game

[umbral kelp]

@frosty pelican do you think trying for multi-exalt imprints is still worth if using the seal method

oh... that video was released before 1.4, I thought it was with 1.4 data 😭

[mild sonnet]

yeah. generally, i migrate to play on legacy ccof after the first 3 weeks of season. but with this nerfs... rough

[frosty pelican]

the nerf logic happens after the seal so

its slightly better than dogshit but still dogshit xd

[umbral kelp]

💀 😭

how much worse is it again?

[mild sonnet]

yes, man. we still cant believe they did that to our beloved imprints

[steep trellis]

Likr he said crap

Just imprint uniques or the exalt your really need for your corrupt 1lp unique and call it a day

Idk man I am grinding omen veils and fractured prison and I gotta say the drop rate of exulis its pretty low,the actual affix random tier its really bad like idk what logic it follows but its very low

They said they didn't like degenerate gameplay thus spamming of troves ,but idol/altar grind is even more degenerate,its gonna take me like 600 omen veils and fractured prison each to maybe have 1 build idols done while 99.9% of the drops are just garbage like idk what they are thinking

[sage hearth]

good numbers

ive done 400+ omen veils now

one, singular

mid rolled

[steep trellis]

Haha

[sage hearth]

idol for my build

[steep trellis]

So more like what 800 each

[sage hearth]

maxrolled normal idol would have better stats

[mild sonnet]

they have to allow the imprinting of idols. and thos will now resolve the problem

[steep trellis]

Let me change it

For real man this idol grind is 🤮

[sage hearth]

they removed one degen method

new one spawned

[steep trellis]

Same map no loot kudos to ehg endgame

[sage hearth]

i just corrupt set items till i hit max win instead

[steep trellis]

They put the multi exalts buff in them👍

[sage hearth]

yep

ive hit 6 T7 ring a couple of times now 😂

shame it was useless stats to me

welp back to mindlessly grinding more omen veils and degen gamble on oculus rings and set items

[steep trellis]

Well i guess ill corrupt all those oculis surely one will be good

[sage hearth]

was almost there

t7 int and t7 added int with t5 spell dmg

got greedy to roll for better stuff

both ints got rolled away and then it bricked xD

[steep trellis]

Yeah greedy hasn't worked for me so far

[umbral kelp]

yeah exu is pretty

like only ~10% base chance iirc?

and so many corrupted stats permutation, completely random regular affix from super wide pool, and just add wide unique rolls range on top

[steep trellis]

I love all the stun chance,stun avoidance idols and bow corruption on Sentinel

[umbral kelp]

at most I'll try to get the right corrupted attribute combo and pray for highroll

[livid spruce]

Bow corruption on literally any class other than rogue

[halcyon marten]

I never play COF before so I really need to ask that Is it normal that I got too many T7 stuff till the point I don't have stash tab for it?

[umbral kelp]

single T7?

[steep trellis]

Of course

[steep trellis]

Definitely yes single t7 and t6s you named it a plenty

[umbral kelp]

even t7t6 is rather common tbh

[steep trellis]

It is

I am kinda past that though

Anyway idol cof grind is godawful this league no wonder noobzor doing so much stuff in mg or offline scenarios

[sage hearth]

yea im happy i got ´´lucky´´ for half decent idols

but im missing a crapton of possible dmg on idols

[frosty pelican]

I also went MG

😉

If you cant beat em, join em

The fact that COF still has basically 0 real idol targeting is really sad

[umbral kelp]

time to make spreadsheets about market

[frosty pelican]

My Uber oneshot sorc only cost me like 10m gold to slap together lmao

[steep trellis]

I look at noobzor idols and I ma like yeah at this rate maybe if I do 100 each a day for a month I ll get those idols🤣

[safe sparrow]

my manaflay lich was only 2M!

even if sales are not great - you can still reliably grind gold for items on the market

[umbral kelp]

bruh that's so cheap

[frosty pelican]

Thats cheap lmao. The only reason mine cost 10m was unstable core. I needed the +1 corrupt which meant I needed a shit load of 1LP unstable, which is a meta item

Always sucks when off meta build needs some meta items

I also still want a +1 corrupt amulet, ideally on the +1 base with the invoker set and T7 ele dot, ideally also with fire res, fire pen, and ele res

But thats probably never happening

[forest wharf]

That's true. This was kind of an MG favored season. Last couple seasons I felt favored CoF more.

[frosty pelican]

I'd still give MG the edge on S3

didn't see many COF dudes with 2T7 RRs lol

some insane MG characters

3LP stardial actually somewhat achievable

etc

[distant leaf]

I really think unstable core is a problem. I hate when one unique is BiS for a huge swath of builds, because it just provides very generic power.

Like...150% ele damage, 120 mana, +1-3 to skills...what competes with that for mage?

[sage hearth]

Nothing, core is just the goat

[steep trellis]

Core can stay ,first get rid of the damm laddle 100% more damage than a super jacked 2 hand staff

[frosty pelican]

Naw dont say that. We dont need more nerfs lmao.

But seriously its like that a lot. Titan Heart is also a similar issue.

I think a big balance of unstable core is the big roll ranges but you can kinda fudge that with imprints

[distant leaf]

Yeah imprints are still really effective with certain items

You still get showered in things like erased relics

[floral inlet]

Does the double rewards lens stack on top of the last rank reward of CoF?

[frosty pelican]

Yes

8x items total for R12 plus wealth plus rhyme

[floral inlet]

Oh cool. I always forgot there is another lens 😂 Thanks for the info!

[hallow plume]

Once the game has more unique items this is hopefully less of an issue.

[frosty pelican]

Some of the existing ones could use some updates too. A lot of the stats they gave when designed are abundant elsewhere now, making many of them not really special

[steep trellis]

We need rebalance of the ones we have,like buff all the ones that ain't used identify ways that make them competitive,we dont need more uniques ,we need competitive uniques

[hallow plume]

Yeah; just doing a big unique update where older items are modernized, and over tuned ones are brought more in line

[steep trellis]

Humming bee tier S sword cycle 0.1 ward nerf completely destroyed the item nothing was ever done to bring it back a touch to its effects would make it comeback i rather not have hundreds of uniques useless for endgame

[hallow plume]

Also I'm not a massive fan of uniques that are meant for leveling and have no place in the endgame. They really just feel like filler.

[distant leaf]

Bringing things up so that builds that currently take unstable core will prefer something else is gonna take a lot of power creep

[hallow plume]

Darkstrides are a low level unique that feels really good even in the end game. Has a very clear role both early and late.

[frosty pelican]

Idk about just "buffs" as in more stats but I'd like to see more uniques that do special things

like convert something to something else or give a new scaling vector

most uniques just give several stats that you can get elsewhere

[hallow plume]

I would like to see both, I don't mind items that do similar things as long as they do it in different slots.

Because that provides a choice of where you're solving a potential problem, be it damage or defense.

I just think the game needs a lot more unique items to have enough choices in how a build scales and how problems like defense are being solved.

[distant leaf]

This is the actual problem I have with unstable core. It provides something interesting to ele nova, but no one uses it because ele nova is terrible

[distant leaf]

Even with THREE dedicated uniques

[sage hearth]

The thing is, on paper, unstable core is not even anything special, it's just there is nothing better to use for most mage builds lmao

Titan heart on the other hand is clearly overloaded, not that I want them to nerf it

[umbral kelp]

We've received and read a lot of feedback about the imprint changes in Season 4 and it's being discussed internally. I don't have anything concrete to share but I do want to let folks know it's a big topic we're aware of.
Hopefully something comes out of this

[steep trellis]

Where you see this cause I watched the dev stream and basically speaking something to be done this season its like very far fetched maybe next one but according to Mike to him that stuff is like almost right how it is

Meanwhile also points out most feedback about the imprints is that they went overboard with the changes

[umbral kelp]

derrick posted that on reddit

[steep trellis]

He is the pr guy dont take it too much into consideration

You should see some of the responses on reddit

Like forging potential having too high cost and he is like ,I am gonna pass this stuff to dev team,like it has been like this since forever but now they gonna look into it 😅 like bruh.

[umbral kelp]

ah well, i don't expect anything to change this season anyway

we'll see in 6 months

[steep trellis]

Yeah anyway d4 for the people that like it coming big soon,and for me its poe 2 0.5 grind with my cof buds of this game so ,I hope they get their stuff together in 6 months

Krafton money doesn't last forever

[fresh ermine]

Ditto. I did 3x COF seasons and this one was my first MG-starter. Definitely feels like I lucked out.

[hallow plume]

D4 is looking wild with the new crafting stuff they previewed yesterday.

[frosty pelican]

Same, MG is GIGA opop. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bjqdz3D5 was like ~10M gold and only because of unstable core lmao

COF I'd still be prayging for an idol drop

[oblique flax]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (62) / Spellblade (16) / Runemaster (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,326, Regen: 44/s
▸ Mana: 429.02, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 160%, Regen: 104/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 10 Dex / 80 Int / 18 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 1159% / 247% / 318% / 24% / 42% / 42% / 42%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 265
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (638)

Used skills:

Enchant Weapon / Meteor / Arcane Ascendance / Black Hole / Frost Wall

[fresh ermine]

Same, I have a setup for my chars that is very close to BIS and the money for it was all approachable and fun to participate in the economy for. Cca. 20mil

That said, last season I'd have disagreed with how many more T7T7T7's and T7t7T6s I was farming with CoF and imprints.

But with imprints in their current state I see no reason to play CoF much.

The added "quality" in the exalts compounds only through re-dropping and fixing the base via imprinting. With that out of the loop, the baseline increase in quality doesn't get close to the choice that MG provides (as long as MG remains reasonably priced, which it is right now).

[steep trellis]

Devs seems ro be pretty bias since all we get as cof is same mg but worse since we are solo and cof nerfs 👍

Only way to fight this is group play and have a ton of people,if season wasn't this bad all those people would still play the game and help with idols grind

[fresh ermine]

Yeah last season CoF + imprints + Group plays definitely blew MG out of the water.

[steep trellis]

Yep was amazing it actually made the grind fun,

[frosty pelican]

imprints last season were just as strong on MG though, we determined that the COF exalt bonus didn't actually work for imprint affix tiers

MG and COF player imprint 3T7 gets same # of 3T7

+/- like 1%

Difference is that MG minmaxers were getting 3T7 stardials, 2T7 RRs, etc.

[glacial wharf]

@frosty pelican soooo are you an MG guy now huh?👀

[frosty pelican]

I am a minmaxer, I pick whats best

was tired of picking the inferior faction 😄

[glacial wharf]

I've been feeling like going MG recently but since making the jump to HC i figured i'll sit in COF longer but now im very tempted after dying way too many times

[frosty pelican]

MG hc probably sucks

A lot of HC players pick SCF anyway

[glacial wharf]

after dying couple times the past few days, i couldn't think of anything worse lol! i thought the hc bug hit me, but if i die again on a build i love, that takes time to get to, im speedrunning it so fast back to sc LUL

[fresh ermine]

Fair, I wasn't implying the contrary. The fantasy of CoF is that your drops will be better "in general", so on average the un-imprinted drops should be more bountiful for a CoF player than an MG player in S3, and that's the advantage for momentum compared to the momentum of earning money to be able to afford the drops that would be of lower quality (all pre-impt ofc).

Anyway, go team MG!

[steep trellis]

Maybe if we stopped dropping so much t6 trash then cof would win someday but as it stands you have however many people farming for you and thus buying all the gear you need

Its insane how little the exalt bonuses actually help in the long run

[frosty pelican]

The problem was that in S3 unimprinted drops were basically irrelevant lol

[frosty pelican]

COF targeting is just really ass in general, the more independently rolled RNG components that are added to an item in each patch, the more distribution of outcomes for any individual.

Basically as items get more complex, with more steps and whatever, the more law of large numbers benefits MG

[steep trellis]

This is why I complain generally like some may find it tiresome or whatever but being able to target farm progression exalts helps too much in this game .

I need leonine for me build but right now its impossible to progress so whatever I didn't do in 1.3 is impossible for me now and that feels bad and ass for the players

I got a decent one but need more like it to corrupt or improve and I cant do that now

[fresh ermine]

Yeah T6 is totally a dead affix.

Especially with T7's having so wide rolls, they do little to extend or create impact on overall gearing.

[fresh ermine]

It would help if the prophecies guaranteed drops to be T6 and T7 for target-farming.

Or at least skew it significantly, the way nemesis does.

[umbral kelp]

T6T7 is also just so so much harder to work with than a 2T7, to get the right affixes in the right position

I'd almost just give up and do T5T7

[frosty pelican]

For imprints I agreed 100%, but in the current environment I take what I can get

Got more havocs than I do items to use it on so why not

[rain lion]

That’s got to be a SC issue 😅

[sly iris]

I have to say I do enjoy working with T7T5 + corrupt way more this season compared to the 2T7 meta in S3.

Crafting more often with less LP + excitement of crazy corruption outcomes or ripping x items in a row ...

[distant leaf]

I agree with that, but im also not as far along as I was in season 2

I just really didn't like the imprint gameplay. I want progressive target farming to be possible, I just hated imprints as the solution to that problem

CoF should be the solution to that problem

[steep trellis]

Maybe season 5 that happens

[distant leaf]

I know they're reworking it. Im hoping against hope that we get imprint results without imprint gameplay

[steep trellis]

Yeah I am a doomer on this its just that I hope the rework its actually pretty good cof has gotten almost no changes and nerfs mostly

As much as I love cof if they dont address its ranks you are still gonna drop crap exalts ,prophecies included

The imprint nerf /💀 is bad for both factions but worse for cof straight up,idol farming needs huge improvement as well for cof like its pain incarnated trying to get the ones you need.

[halcyon marten]

oh they are reworking the COF next season? that's great new, I mean I just play COF for the first time and at early I feel like it was so cool that I drop so many double T6+ exalted compared to MG

but lately, I realized that this 2T6+ is trash for slam 2LP gear

the Prophecies' on Unique gloves that I wish I can target farm Expensive gloves in MG which I can't afford give me so much hope

but the reallity is it never drop

salt the wound unique gloves to be clear

[livid spruce]

People use those gloves? I assumed you were talking ravs

[halcyon marten]

IDK tbh lol I just saw its drop rate and assume it's expensive

[compact folio]

in 7 months probly when they do next update... meanwhile they leave this version a disaster.

I hope they actually adress what needs to be done. Yes they did add some QOL of life, ill give EHG credit, they did listen to me on letting me filter rune drops. I appreciate it. But they left horrible prophecy rolling and nerfed imprints and nerfed prophecy by reducing all the new content not giving favor.

then proceeded to increase RNG of crafting items and making it worse to craft with no additional aids to guarantee crafting.

[sage hearth]

Both crafting and CoF needs massive overhaul

It's crazy to me they added so much shit to crafting since pre-release and never changed FP levels or FP costs

[steep trellis]

They need to do like grim dawn ,been waiting for a expansion since a long time and we still get massive hotfixes and improvements to the game every year 👍

[sage hearth]

My old trash MMO RPG that's being run by 2 dudes in a basement (Metin 2 private modded server), still gets updates and new stuff and bugs fixed pretty much within couple of days 😂

And when they do something people really don't like, they collect info , actually read it, and adjust stuff

Games like what, 20 years old now?

22 years actually now, damn I'm so old, just dig up a hole for me

[umbral kelp]

nice for items with not too big roll ranges, but oh boi for those with big ranges, I get drained just rerolling the bases 💀

it takes so much effort just preparing them for slam + corruption

[wicked berry]

what are ppl refering to when they speak of imprinting ?

The slots in the weaven tree ?

[umbral kelp]

yes

[umbral kelp]

lol got a 2T7T6, immediately bricked it

FP needs a rework man

[frosty pelican]

Rngesus giveth, rngesus taketh

[distant leaf]

I have a LOT of feelings about crafting:

1. I dont think FP needs a rework, it just needs to be balanced with the rarity of items. Which is to say that items felt possible last season with imprints. Having a 90% chance to brick a 2T7T6 wouldnt feel so bad if it wasn't the only one you were ever going to see

2. Crafting for slamming is relatively easy. Crafting for equipping is HARD. Especially making a primordial exalted.

Right base, right affixes, high tier, t7 on correct affix, seal away, add new affix upgrade that.

Primordial exalteds are definitely a case of "how the hell is anyone gonna have enough FP.

They should SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the cost of Crafting that only matters if youre going to equip the item (envy and evolution, for example)

[frosty pelican]

huge on the craft for equip yep, been saying that for ages. I don't know how you could fix this, maybe like a special one time craft that makes an item unslammable, but increases FP. idk

evo also is big painge since you basically need glyph of order too

[distant leaf]

I tend to make posts about things like this that get downvoted on reddit, and then you come around and say the same thing and everyone goes "Oh Frozen said it must be true" 😭

[distant leaf]

I think this is a good idea. There are other solutions that are simple from a design perspective but maybe not from an implementation perspective.

The most annoying thing to me is how this REALLY affects game perception and build strength just based on how many uniques it can utilize. Builds that have poor unique coverage are really difficult to itemize for because crafting to equip is so much harder than crafting to slam

[steep trellis]

Whole crafting needs a huge rebalance change ,they keep adding stuff but never improving their flawed system

The whole fp system is way too flawed needs like half cost on everything you do its insane that 3 clicks can brick a 60 fp item

Like you would be surprised with imprints how bad this felt still like dropping more items doesn't fix the shitty fp system

[frosty pelican]

I think minmaxers will have a better understanding of utilizing non uniques properly, since its not trivial to acquire good ones at all.

Part of the issue is also how easy getting a good 1LP T7 is now with guaranteed slams and so many ways to fix uniques. (Strife, turtle, nemesis, etc.)

As a more casual player I have a really good chance at getting 1LP T7s on all but the most rare uniques, but almost nil of making an equivalently powerful exalt

Back when 1LP was 1 in 4 the balance of early exalt vs 1T7 was closer

Now as soon as I hit empowered Im rushing 1t7s

[steep trellis]

Also glyph of envy feels like crap just let me grab whatever base I need ,?rune of evolution let me grab whatever affix I want to upgrade instead of rng crap,like ehg does not want you to have any deterministic way to craft your items

[frosty pelican]

I also think exalts are hard to go from that 1 or 2 good affix state to 3 or 4.

Most exalts drop with 3 or 4 affixes on them already which means for a slam you'll eventually get one that requires minimal big gamba crafts and ezpz.

For exalt you almost always need at least one removal and probably seal a bad affix for even a 7555

[frosty pelican]

Yea I've seen this happen lol

[steep trellis]

Min maxers have a million solutions to many if not most big problems with the game,problem is we dont get listened enough or our opinions dont matter as much as casuals I guess which is stupid but hey I aint the devs

Like for example game desperately needs more than 1 egg for nemesis ,but like people that dont kill uber or mass grind specific item doesn't know this

[frosty pelican]

More casual opinions are important though, not necessarily their suggestions on how to fix the problems specifically, but the feelings they experience and actions they take when engaging with systems in aggregate will tell a lot. Especially about friction

[steep trellis]

I saw what Mike said for 1.5 cof rework and it doesn't look like its gonna be changed much ,just let us get rid of the rerolls and maybe a bit crappy ui like this is not the solution and neither does enough for cof

I hope is not what he said yesterday fully

[steep trellis]

Here is an easy one for both groups and specially casual where are the prophecy for havocs like they dont want to add them and this point they don't care or lazyness

[distant leaf]

Can you link something? Earlier he said they were taking it down to the studs, which suggests big changes

[steep trellis]

People complain about imprint busted but imprint are only considered to be busted cause all the exalts acquisition in game suck and are bad

So anything is busted if you compare to what we have right now

[distant leaf]

I personally like the FP system and think a moderate to high chance of failure on a craft is a good thing

[steep trellis]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[distant leaf]

When the craft you're going for makes a very powerful item

[frosty pelican]

Sauce?

[steep trellis]

Go read let me know

[distant leaf]

This seems like pretty good changes to me

Reading between the lines its a lens rework and a reroll/roll rework

[frosty pelican]

Prophecy for havoc completely trivialize all other methods for optimal play, you'll instead roll cof even as MG, assuming there is a need for a lot of havocs still

[steep trellis]

Well i min max i imprint a lot if nothing gets changed and I drop a million t6 that doesnt do anything for me

[frosty pelican]

Either the cost is too high and its not worth, or its low enough to be mandatory

If it was a COF only bonus somehow id agree

[steep trellis]

The optimal way to play is roll a rogue and one shot uber for havocs

[frosty pelican]

Lmao

[steep trellis]

So not sure how much you say its gonna do something

[frosty pelican]

For now, but I dont think thats part of the intended gameplay loop

So its not really relevant to future balance

At least I hope ehg doesnt think thats okay

[steep trellis]

Actual changes need to happen to cof crafting as a whole with no exalts acquisition is not good imo

Julra included

[distant leaf]

I think the imprints are extremely flawed and wish players didn't just like things because they were powerful. Same goes for havoc prophecies, same goes for FP changes

[frosty pelican]

Yep cof exalt acquisition is bad, at least nemesis is kinda decent but thats even more boring to farm than troves imo

[steep trellis]

Idk a million sub 40 seconds uber and done shots seems pretty balanced to me

Ehg doesn't care about balance

Should havr mid balance changes

Not wait 6 months for s poll they did 2 years ago

[frosty pelican]

Also at least nemesis gives you seals and a lot of FP.

My suggestions is to allow you to use the egg to target specific exalts. Eg. Let us put rare items into the egg

[steep trellis]

Can disagree what you want state of game is not good imo

[distant leaf]

I do think they care about balance, I just think theyre too afraid of the community and so don't do large enough change

[steep trellis]

Just roll mg forget about nay problems get your bis idols

[frosty pelican]

I didnt say state of game is good, just said I dont think this is intended

Overall i think current state is healthier but we need more improvements to really fine tune it

The slam corrupt loop is also not amazing for minmax

[distant leaf]

I agree with that

[steep trellis]

Well after idk how long this game has existed in early access and launch the state its in its the fault of people who make the game

[distant leaf]

Im definitely an odd one in this conversation becayse I dont play nearly as much as you two

[steep trellis]

An actual balance change would do something

[distant leaf]

No one is contesting whose fault it is

[steep trellis]

Cause waiting for 6 months on feedback is not good imo

[distant leaf]

But going "they dont care about balance" is just childish. Its just hard. Making a game is hard, listening to vocal, contradictory feedback and trying to implement changes is hard

Getting changes out quickly while trying to build out and develop new stuff is hard

[steep trellis]

Like I hate new I.print change thats my opinion right ,they say like ok yeah most feedback is negative about that ok,but likr nothing happens ,its like wait for 6 months and just maybe they touch on the feedback suggestion or they dont and go wait another 6 months

[distant leaf]

The reason its not perfect is because its hard to do all of this perfectly

Right, because their solution is not revert imprints

[steep trellis]

If it was 3 months seasons maybe wouldn't feel this bad but imo 2 season per year like okay

[distant leaf]

Thats not what they're gonna do

I dont know. All I can say is that this just comes off as entitled

[steep trellis]

Its the same opinion all casuals have oh you feel entitled to this and that

[distant leaf]

Calling me a casual is a bit of a stretch

[steep trellis]

Imagine feeling entitled about a crafting system that lets you deterministic crafting the stuff you need cause I am sure 24 fp cost for a small change are meant to be and ideal

[distant leaf]

I...thats just a nonsequitur

Thats just a thing you dont like

[steep trellis]

Thats 1

Pick you have plenty

[distant leaf]

But saying "people dont like this change it back now" is entitled

[sage hearth]

give imprints as CoF mechanic, and most issues are solved instantly

there is really no point in playing CoF whatsoever as it is now

[steep trellis]

But let me keep saying they se doing great the devs,?probably nothing will ever get done

[sage hearth]

just roll MG buy everything u need and done

[steep trellis]

Yeah basically why would I play cof now

[distant leaf]

I disagree, because the issue of imprints being an unintuitive system that results in shitty gameplay will not be solved

[sage hearth]

its actually sad how useless this faction is

[steep trellis]

And spamming omen veil and fractured is a better system like its a lot worse/boring rofl

[distant leaf]

Ugh. This conversation has gotten too moany for me. Later

[steep trellis]

Like you do 400 of each and still not a perfect idol

[distant leaf]

Then stop

[steep trellis]

Good later

[sage hearth]

lets introduce new system to the game!!!!

[steep trellis]

Stop playing the new mechanic kekl

[sage hearth]

woops we made it totally useless

tehee

maybe in 6 months we will fix it

[steep trellis]

Man I cant with this casuals

[sage hearth]

they just dont understand anything 😂

[steep trellis]

Yeah man

Go look into suggestion channel,go look at noobzor suggestion maybe idk you would understand a bit better how bad this balance changes wait 6 month is for the game

[distant leaf]

Heaven forbid someone design a game not meant to be played for 10 hours per day. Go do something else with your life.

Not everything needs to be perfectable. "Why cant i get a perfect idol". You're not supposed to. It was designed that way. Its you stacking your broken expectations with a system trying to show you at every turn that you cant do the thing youre trying to do and getting mad at it. Its so silly.

I dont understand anything but youre running 600 omen veils trying to get a perfect idol 😂

[sage hearth]

this is the issue we have

perfectly embodied by the casual

why punish minmaxers?

when casuals dont interact with the grind at all?

jesus christ

[distant leaf]

We...do?

[sage hearth]

actually clueles holy sike

yes, you are clearly clueless

[distant leaf]

They tried to make a game that would not compel people do best their head against a wall for 3 weeks but yalls heads to thick you tried it anyway

[steep trellis]

@distant leaf Whole resonance system is godawful and should not exist any takes on that?

Btw I thought you were done

[distant leaf]

Lol good point I suck at that

[steep trellis]

Haha

[distant leaf]

What do you mean? People should be able to freely trade?

Its not a system I interact with

[steep trellis]

Like in any other arpg yes

[distant leaf]

I hate trade. Its why I play last epoch. I think trade makes these games completely unbearable from a design perspective

[steep trellis]

This right here is the answer to a lot of answers ,people like saying many things but never kill uber etc gotta interact with everything to have a good fair opinion at the end

[distant leaf]

This is the first time youve been talking about a system I dont regularly interact with

[steep trellis]

Thats fine but it exist and makes sense you dont wanna trade even on cof to exist you can play a single player arpg no problems with that

[distant leaf]

I think EHGs justification for restricting trade and locking trade behind partying are sound

[sage hearth]

maybe

[distant leaf]

No, I play multiplayer all the tjme

[sage hearth]

but not when u make it absolutely attrocious

[steep trellis]

But wholse system has never been touched at all and feels godawful

[distant leaf]

I would be fine with removing resonances and restricting trade to party play only

I'm sure that's what you mean

[steep trellis]

I have gone 13 gold reso before obsidian soI can gift an item any of my buddys want , this is 5 to 8 hours of playing together for 1 item

[sage hearth]

u wanna give someone something? good luck, gotta play together for like 12 hours nonstop to ´´maybe´´ get the obsidian resonance , and oh? u missed the fact it dropped? cos there is no fking notification about it doing so ? (instead of it automatically getting added to inventory?) go back to another 12 hours buddy, tough luck

like jesus christ

[steep trellis]

In poe 2 I just share my wealth and make friend along the way pretty sick helping others in campaign with gear tou gotten no need token for that

[distant leaf]

Yeah, cool. I think EHGs reasons for restricting that are sound and think open markets and unrestricted trade are specifically why I stopped playing poe

[sage hearth]

see,

clearly dont interact with the system

clueless just how bad it is

[steep trellis]

This is very bad cause people have different timezones , I had to sacrifice sleep one day just to help one of our Asian friends

[sage hearth]

the party play is not even the main issue

its the fact they made it useless

constant bugs, constant DCs, nobody but the host drops shite for items and favor

like man how bad do u want to make it?

[steep trellis]

Ehg likes restricting many stuff when it does nothing to the game,party play is amazing and makes playing a shit ton more fun imo you dont do it you can't really tell , like let me limit your favor gain in omens and resonance but let us allow all the unbalance for 6 months👍

[sage hearth]

this is just a magical loop of shit the casuals dont understand that ties one thing into another, but since they dont care/never do those things to begin with, they will sing praises to EHG

who do nothing but make the game worse and worse each season

[steep trellis]

Yeah man this is why we still got nothing done to any old systems every season

[distant leaf]

I just wish you would leave so I didn't have to listen to your moaning

[steep trellis]

I gotta lover my tier corruption thing

[steep trellis]

I would rather you actually learn more about thr game but hey we can teach you if you want

I dont sugarcoat what it isn't done well

[distant leaf]

The fact that you dont think I already know these things and simply disagree with you...

So entitled, so egotistical. So obnoxious

[steep trellis]

But you don't you say you dont do them

How can you know something is problematic without doing it

[sage hearth]

perfect self description when u disregarded everything we stated with ´´i am right, EHG is right, you are wrong´´

just call the curtains, season 5 will be the end of this game

[steep trellis]

I love the old imprint we're op ,so did you use them ,no no i dont do them /use them, then why your opinion matters more lol

[sage hearth]

nothing is done, EHG doesnt listen to the people who put the most time into their game, and instead just cater to casuals who say something and then quit 2 days later to never be seen again

and they clearly and blatantly favor some classes over the others as well, but thats a whole different can of worms im not willing to talk about

[distant leaf]

I understand the the resonances may be too infrequent, but I dont even think resonances are necessary. As I said, id be fine if they were removed entirely. I understand YOU dont want that, but I also can follow EHGs argument for why trade is restricted

[steep trellis]

Its party play its supposed to exist ,just remove thay if you dont want to be able to do player to player trade

It exists on every game like you can do market and also trade with friends

I cannot and anyone that actually does any party play will tell you its not a good system it doesn't work even half of the time right

If resonance obsidian didn't have rng and was forced ro drop after 3 golden or max 5 golden the whole system would improve by a ton but since a player and this has happened to me multiple times can go 14 golden no obsidian its absolutely ridiculous,you have to play so much so long with the other person when this happens for just 1 item and in general it takes too long.

@distant leaf ggg put towers in poe 2 and that was one of the most annoying systems in arpg ,so boring so not worth doing players were extremely against this,and they basically phase them out after a couple of patches and patches are 4 months apart ,not because they put something in place with a logic in mind means its any good and should just be kept until the end of time.

[distant leaf]

Party play DOES exist and trading for party play is unrestricted. If things arent working, bugs should be addressed

But what youre talking about, resonances, are not for party play

They are for trading things with friends when you weren't doing party play

[steep trellis]

@distant leaf my guy is you are clueless thats ok we can accept that ,resonance is the whole party play tradesystem

You cant trade without it

[umbral kelp]

weren't you able to trade if it drops when you're playing together?

[steep trellis]

Golden are useful for idols and if you drop something while you both were together in the same area when it dropped

Obsidian which is the one that matters most by a long shot ,allows you to gift anything basically dont need to be when you dropped it in the same area

[steep trellis]

Golden allows this but ,I have an exalted i dropped from conquered tower lets say an di wan tro give it to you we need obsidian for this,slammed unique too and so on,since you aint party playing always and lets say you make a new friend an you wanna gift them a 3t7 exalt you dropped so he can imprint that ,either you get obsidian or you can't do that.

[umbral kelp]

yeah it's a pain in general

[sage hearth]

god bless Pzyko for going trough the trouble to give me his 3LP Twisted Heart

[umbral kelp]

I think someone suggested making it a permanent account resonance for the whole season

sounds like a somewhat reasonable solution imho

play with someone for xx hour, ok established friend, free trade for the rest of the season

[steep trellis]

You can skip the whole resonance if you are together but like many stuff drops when you are not

[sage hearth]

this would be a fine fix ngl

but its EHG its never going to happen

[umbral kelp]

this sounds exactly like what I've seen in reddit

[sage hearth]

no fun allowed in this game after all

[steep trellis]

I have a 3 lp splitter and you have a 4 lp boots and we want to trade likr either we get obsidian or we aint trading

[umbral kelp]

the ones who defended the changes were <300c players who honestly sounded like they don't even know exactly how imprints work

[steep trellis]

I am glad at least idols only need golden resonance

[umbral kelp]

got the ones who said you imprint boss drops

[distant leaf]

This is just untrue? Why are you lying to me?

[steep trellis]

Like idk if you saw a 4lp post of cof drops

[umbral kelp]

or triple exalts raining and how OP it is, like they never tried how many exalts it takes to craft something you can slam

[sage hearth]

what this season did is basically punish all the minmaxers u still had playing the game for no reasont at all while nothing changed for the casuals who didnt grind troves to begin with

[distant leaf]

Resonances are for trading items when you weren't in the same zone when the item dropped

[steep trellis]

In party drops sure ,if you aint same area when it drop its not

[distant leaf]

?!?!?!?!?!??!??!

[sage hearth]

you can be in a party

[steep trellis]

Do you go farm rayeh with your buddy all season or something

[sage hearth]

person left echo too early

[distant leaf]

Absolute 🤡

[sage hearth]

u dropped something

GG, its now untradable

[umbral kelp]

I saw 4 LP of offline rr drop 😄

[steep trellis]

I think someone never done thus

[distant leaf]

To me, party play is being in the same zone doing the same content

[sage hearth]

just ignore him at this point its pointless

[steep trellis]

I am sure 👍

Ysah

[distant leaf]

Thsts what I do when I play with friends, and that trade is unrestricted

[umbral kelp]

it was funny on the showcase channel

[distant leaf]

Imagine saying something this stupid when im objectively right

[umbral kelp]

also guys panda doesn't do party play

but he does do the other stuff

[distant leaf]

I do party play with friends, but I've never used a resonance

[umbral kelp]

oh mb

[steep trellis]

Let me give you best example debris made a discord server more people would join ,we would play together this people dont have 3t7/4t7 gear so the only way I can gift them specific stuff they need its an obsidian that drops whenever it wants

Unless you want any stuff dropped

Saying that you dont need resonances for trade and party play it comes from someone who has never done none

[distant leaf]

Yeah? Working as intended. I get it, you dont like it. You dont want it to work that way. But EHG has been perfectly clear about why it works this way and their reasoning is perfectly sound

You need resonances to trade non-party-play items with people in your party

[sage hearth]

@steep trellis lmao the guy blocked me

[distant leaf]

You do not need resonances to trade party play items with members of your party

[steep trellis]

If you never done any resonance then you have played co op for what 2 hours 🤣

[steep trellis]

I bet some people are like that

Guy is a very vivid ehg defender nothing can be done

[distant leaf]

I dont understand why you think that. Ive never used a resonance because I've only traded items with them thst we dropped while playing together

[sage hearth]

i bet he will defend them even if they broke both his legs and arms and paywalled all the drops

[distant leaf]

Ive been criticizing EHG this whole time about other shit

[steep trellis]

Sadly if you think this trade player based system is any good you can cope like that

No you say if its how its designed its how it should be not same

Bla bla keep insulting thats what men do👍

[umbral kelp]

chill guys

[steep trellis]

This exactly is what I think never bored crafting a 3 lp item or even better get the slam on it, its so hard many times.

[umbral kelp]

and the more exalted affix there is the harder it is to craft too, less wiggle room for removal/redemption/sealing

[steep trellis]

Yeah also the base is huge I dont have leonines cause my 4t7 were other base i should have scammed my buddy one piece

So now I am at the mercy of glyph of envy and let's say it disappoints me all the time

[umbral kelp]

I've been really frustrated sometimes since we really differ in opinion at times, but Panda's definitely criticizing EHG a lot too

[steep trellis]

Oh he does but same time its very pro them

I rather they fix their stuff someday

[umbral kelp]

man bases are awful

[umbral kelp]

alas, we know how long it takes

[steep trellis]

Losing my hope at this point ,this season is funny but incredibly more buggy ,less rewarding ,and way less balanced, if you go mg it gets better though

[umbral kelp]

yeah I dunno how they're gonna balance stuff next season

feels like there's tons of stuff that inevitably needs to get nerfed from this season

[steep trellis]

Frenzy belt will die for sure and rampancy will get nerfed as well the value most likely,strength should stay as it is to be fair

[umbral kelp]

at the same time frenzy doesn't feel super broken by itself

[steep trellis]

Umbrals will get touched but idk if i trust ehg with rogue anymore rofl

[umbral kelp]

like the brutality+rampancy combo is giga strong but feels like alone they're fine

[steep trellis]

No frenzy is fine and good imo should not get touched just adjust the values

[umbral kelp]

for rampancy solo only like, rive look giga strong

[steep trellis]

Skipping brutality at least lets you map

[steep trellis]

Flame reave too giga

[umbral kelp]

oh yeah it got frenzied flame

the AoE clear is insane too

[steep trellis]

Because this combo doesn't let you map it doesn't feel as cheap ,vs some other bs that can do everything and one shot still

I gotta try noobzor void cleave this season

[umbral kelp]

they'll need to nerf a lot of stuff or make new uber even more giga bullshit

since by now so many builds just trivialize uber already

[steep trellis]

You think is gonna be stronger, or think what it cannot happen is that new boss is easier and faster to kill/ do that a woven echo,for example you need to finish omen veils to get new boss and omen veil feels much stronger

[umbral kelp]

urgh

i haven't even done fractured prison more than 10 times

since omen veil just kills my fps

[steep trellis]

Yeah its not great unless you have insane aoe i swapped from lich to erasing strike for this

Like so many mobs bad fps

Funny part mana flay kills new boss like in no time but it doesn't do well in omen veil 🥲 for me

[umbral kelp]

yeah haha

the AoE clear is just not as good as some other stuff

I actually have an AoE effect corrupt on my weapon atm, gonna miss it when it's time to swap out

[steep trellis]

I think for whatever they add next a cheaper price needs to be done for new echo you gotta buy if its like this one also let people buy fractured prison or whatever next one is having to do anothe echo for this doesn't feel good,like how normal Abby needs to be done to do uber i can kill uber Abby in 6 seconds now vs idk 1-2 minutes aberroth rofl

[umbral kelp]

takes longer to kill normal abby with his monologue 😛

[steep trellis]

That guy gotta be a Shakespeare at this point

[ebon ivy]

Never seen a game power creep as hard as LE

LE has seen barely any updates since it's full release and yet the "power creep" hasn't really crept at all

[fresh ermine]

S4 was quite a rollercoaster

But tbh D3 powercreep after expansion was insane too

[ebon ivy]

Don't really remember D3 very much as I was way too deep in PoE back then XD

I do think it is generally a non issue though because D3 didn't really have any pinnacle boss encounters, the entire endgame was effectively pushing corruption for a ladder position in LE

Did D3 have any pinnacle bosses? I don't think so right?

But yeah it's been over 2 years since LE fully released, in that time we have had only 4 patches and in those patches player power has escalated astronomically

[fresh ermine]

Yeah it did

But the incentives were really bad

[errant cliff]

Any suggestions for target farming the first of stupidly rare belts like the Jungle Queen Chaps? It has a terrible chance from Ascend runes...

[steep trellis]

Spam belt prophecy as much as you can imprint whatever jungle belt you drop,there is no target farm you just gotta get lucky and you should drop some after some prophecies

[ornate abyss]

Is it possible to farm weaver idols via prophecies? humble or grand ones?

[rain lion]

I was farming ”small weaver idol”-prophecies last season

[ornate abyss]

So weaver idols can drop outside of tombs and cemeteries then? if I do grand x5 prophecies say

[rain lion]

You just need to pay attention to the exact text in the prophecy

[rain lion]

I was specifically farming a prophecy called ”small weaver idol”
Not small idol
Not idol

[ornate abyss]

for eg I want to farm these idols https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/IIwBgTAnCIGzSQ & https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/IIwBgTAnCKtQ

[rain lion]

Don’t think those generic ones can drop weaver ones

Not sure what that first link is. But the second one is not a weaver idol

It’s just a generic grand idol. Farmed those too last season with grand idol prophecies

[livid spruce]

Those are just grand idols, so regular grand idol prophecy will work.
Weaver idols have specific Weaver idol prophecies and will not drop from other prophecies, but Weaver idols only exist as 1 and 2 slot size

[ornate abyss]

but Weaver idols only exist as 1 and 2 slot size -> you mean weaver idol prophecies

[umbral kelp]

no, weaver idols

3 and 4 slot size idols are just regular idols, not weaver ones

[halcyon marten]

hmm, It is very boring reroll for runes x 11 and try to spend all the favor for it at once

Is it worth doing for the havoc farming?

[umbral kelp]

I'd just get havoc from beasts, personally

[distant leaf]

Yeah, I get more than enough havocs from beasts

Rune prophecies are the worst thing cof has to offer, gameplay wise

[halcyon marten]

oh I see, thanks it would save so much of my time

[distant leaf]

To be clear, just always select rune and especially rare rune when you evolve the beast

[ornate abyss]

Use 2x lens on it, 22x runes per prophecy fulfilled

[round river]

I need a good altar. Are there lens for that?

[umbral kelp]

no

[round river]

😭

[gloomy cave]

I thought altars and omen idols are only from the circle fights

[livid spruce]

They drop from wandering omens, too

[proven fable]

Anyone noticed if there's a bug with 1-h sword prophecies ?

[sage hearth]

that does what u feel like is wrong?

[proven fable]

I mean, I can of course be wrong, but I feel like quite a many times now, I've received 2h swords, instead of 1h swords

[sage hearth]

it will never be the blessings u want 😂

sometimes i roll upwards for 20+ times to see something i want

even worse when i ignore half the timeline bosses cos i just dont wanna go out of my way to do them

[proven fable]

Sorry, I think maybe we're talking past each other - I am talking about the reward I gain isn't the same, as in the prophecies I picked

[sage hearth]

There is multiple prophecies with the same item icon, you really need to read what it says

There is unique sword prophecy (both 2hand and 1hand) then there is unique one hand sword prophecy (just 1 hand)

Then there is unique 1 hand weapon

Can give you axes and everything else

[compact folio]

It's an easy fix if they ever do it.

just make it so each item for prophecy is 100% chance guaranteed and nothing else shows up.

I dont get it why they have to layer so much RNG on everything, and make it painful

if I all I saw was say 1 handed swords, then i could pick the conditions I like best.

unfortunetaly... so many QOL fixes were never done and I got no idea why.

[sudden raptor]

Asking here because greedy bastards people in trade have advanced knowledge on that topic.

#👑┃item-showcase message

Like what I said in that post. Is that, technically, an usually rare drop, for those circumstances?
Well, I probably have other weights/understandings because all I have as reference is my own drop experience, not the market.

[sage hearth]

Completely even below average omen drop

Those items are 99.9% of the time quite useless and anything hand crafted will be better

They also require high level so when you can equip them by that point you most likely have something way better to begin with

[sudden raptor]

Thank you.

Yeah true, I kind of forgot they aren't craftable anymore. Last time I played was before the wild hunt season.

I did drop 2 one hand weapons with my rogue on a very low level, both with physical melee damage XX+ though. Like, second and third Omen. Still using them after 40 levels. My first char this season/since then.

[tiny sluice]

@frosty pelican you playing this league?

anyone remembers the 3 lens combo for COF for mono drops only?

[distant leaf]

You only need 1 lens to make things mono only. If you use both mono lens and no mono lens you get a really small prophecy pool

Then you add a target farming lens or a double reward lens depending on your interest in efficiency and your tolerance for rerolling

[distant leaf]

Do CoF bonuses apply to altar/omen idol drops? Are those items readable on MG?

[frosty pelican]

doesn't seem like it

[distant leaf]

To both questions?

[frosty pelican]

I don't know what "readable on MG" means, so to the first

[distant leaf]

Lol, typo

Tradeable

[frosty pelican]

Having played both factions a lot this season it was significantly easier to get decent omen / altar as MG

I've 100+ hours into my SSF character and still haven't found a prefix/suffix omen for my build, let alone one with better rolls than the regular class ones.

and that's doing every omen window I see, and doing veils, etc

Even the observer boss drops mostly non class idols

[distant leaf]

But MG can trade for them, right?

[quiet radish]

yep, once again another system that mg gets inherent benefit to (trade) while cof sees little to no benefit 😊 many such cases

[steep trellis]

Yeah mg can trade both

I got a couple stun avoidance idols if any of you want to trade as cof

[distant leaf]

Im soooooo annoyed by that

[steep trellis]

If any of the stun chance builds would be op if you stacked enough i wouldn't mind it but man i have a guy on my group that its called the stun guy all he gets rofl

[livid spruce]

The bonuses like higher chance for T7s probably work, but it's nowhere close to enough imo

[distant leaf]

I didn't consider that. So its like CoF for exalteds without prophecies

[distant leaf]

I haven't looked into this sort of thing, @frosty pelican , but are the mixed prophecies really efficient? At a glance, the jewelry prophecies seem WAY more efficient than amulet prophecies if you're interested at all in finding a ring here and there

[mild steeple]

What is the best way to get Naal's tooth?

[steep trellis]

Prophecy one handed sword unique,then after you get one imprint that one,the one with highest lp you have if possible if you are interested in farming that item

[frosty pelican]

Yes generally

My sheet shows favor per item

[mild steeple]

Thanks

[dusk briar]

Highest LP or highest rolls? I thought LP imprint doesn't matter

[umbral kelp]

LP imprint does matter

[steep trellis]

Oh the lp is more important for me than the rolls I can reroll later

[dusk briar]

Sure but imprinting high LP doesn't affect LP drops

[steep trellis]

It does

Every lp the item gets is half a reroll so a 4 lp item can reroll 3 times and picks best lp in those 3 rolls ,normally items do this once and thats it

A 3 lp item is 2 rerolls and 50% chance for a third

[dusk briar]

Thanks I didn't know that