💰┃merchants-guild

[split wave]

I think if you find the CF mechanics really fun, then just play CF. You will still be able to do all game content just fine. You can even change it up and play a different faction each cycle or have one char on each faction to experience both more regularly.

[novel geyser]

Trade/Self Found faction system praised by many to be the solution to trading problem in ARPG since forever

some random dude: "this is bad game design"

[peak niche]

It's never good to have players lose significant progress in a game built on progressing a character. You guys are really not thinking this through at all. It might seem like good game design from the perspective of someone with rose tinted glasses, sure, but from a practical implementation standpoint this is simply going to turn off a lot of players for the same reasons I've laid out. The longer you play the game, the more the rift between the two factions rips apart your character(s) if you ever switch. It's a terrible idea to punish people for playing the game, and it's an even worse idea to simply shut off a good chunk of the game for no reason whatsoever. And if it was explained to me from the beginning that Cof was meant only for people who want to know they found all their gear themselves, then I would've not spent hours on Cof from the get go. You guys are like, "sorry, didn't you read the fine print", like I said earlier, you're all just making excuses for an unnecessary downside. The Cof is super cool and already in the game, just let players use both factions, it's not rocket science ffs.

[solar trail]

you can just switch back to cof and not lose progress

[stuck furnace]

self-emposed challenges. thats all i can add to this discuss.

[dense hedge]

nah. I don't pity them personally. They're elitist in global chat and saying items are only impressive only if you loot them. not bought them from bazaar. lmao hahaha

[stoic briar]

that's... not the meaning of pity they were using

[solid prawn]

if i had access to CoF prophecies as MG char, I would mainly use it for getting rune of creations without having to dump a ton of gold into lightless and farm the meta items that r super expensive on the market, i can see how that can become a problem, even if ur not able to put those on market. i like the current system

[pearl walrus]

Man this guy is gonna be really annoyed when they make factions acct wide for cycles and dont let you swap

[normal schooner]

No dog in this fight but I see their point

They’re asking why it even had to be divided in the first place

The response being “the devs designed it this way” isn’t a real answer, because they are aware of that

They’re criticizing the philosophy itself which I can understand

[fervent schooner]

I mean if you are upset you are “losing potential progress” the devs could increase drop chances across the board by 10 times and you’ll be fully geared faster. Would that help?

It’s just a selfish position to have. Both factions have their advantages. Biggest advantages of MG are late game. Like the person above stated, if you are the sub 1% of players that reach end game where MG outweighs CoF then just reroll. You clearly have the time.

[normal schooner]

I mean I’m a CoFfline player except when with friends, so I don’t really care about the split

but I still see the point that they’re making

[fervent schooner]

I see their point as well. I just don’t think it’s relevant because they are the large minority.

[split wave]

That's not the response, the response is "so that people who don't want to trade aren't just totally shafted"

[novel geyser]

EHG never intended to have trade in the game

it's the community who called for it to be added

so they added it in

and to compensate for half of the community who voted against it

they added COF

they literally did it to cater to every player's need

and stil there are ppl who cry?

[peak niche]

Yes dude, because the way they've implemented it is a complete disaster.

[peak niche]

Yes but there are horrible unintended consequences of splitting the factions and making people choose one over the other. 1) You're missing out on a huge chunk of the game no matter what faction you choose. Whether or not you personally like the Cof is irrelevant, you are still missing out on something. If this was feature missing in your car for example, you'd be mad too. 2) Anyone who spends 100+ hours building their character on one faction then has to start over if they ever switch factions. This is just a disaster that's unnecessarily harsh on the players. Like I said before, I understand the "cannot be traded" clause, but why the hell can't I use the items I earned in the hundreds of hours I put into the game? It makes no sense at all and it doesn't add anything interesting to the game.

[novel geyser]

it's because the minority of players like you

who can never be satisfied no matter what

[peak niche]

Stop saying, minority or majority, it's a fact that no matter what faction you choose you miss out on something, end of story.

[novel geyser]

lol

[peak niche]

I was perfectly satisfied with the game until I had to start over with my gear that I earned before joining a faction

[novel geyser]

you know that before 1.0 there's not trade nor COF bonus right?

[peak niche]

I don't give a single F what happened before, I didn't play the game until its release. I'm speaking to how it exists today.

[novel geyser]

nvm why am i even sane enough to argue with you

not worth it

[strong hare]

Go play a different game. End of story

[pearl walrus]

the way they implemented it is perfectly fine, it's the execution in terms of balance that they goofed up

although we are seeing the differences in terms of balance now; COF is better than MG atm because the game has died down considerably

so trading is harder

[split wave]

1. This is an extreme exaggeration.
2. Just don't switch then.
   Why can you not use benefits of both factions at the same time? Because that's the same as not even having factions. Honestly, they probably should have just made faction choice permanent, then you wouldn't have to worry about this situation.

[blazing forum]

get gud.
i had no issues getting rank 10 in both very early in the season.

[low prawn]

This. And the devs are happy with it, as is the majority of the playerbase. Brother jut cant stand being unable to abuse both at the same time

You dont even need rank 10

for MG

to be able to bis yourself

CoF is designed to be the solo self found faction. MG is designed to be the " trade " faction. If you dont like that, or cant understand that its a CORE DESIGN CHOICE you maybe should consider finding a different game to play, or not interacting with either faction.

[low prawn]

And yet the arpg community as a whole has praised it as the best solution to SSF VS TRADE in all of arpg history.

[peak niche]

Go switch factions and come back to me with no gear and tell me you're gonna praise it. Give me a break, just because it's the best system to date doesn't mean it can't get better and the suggestion that I made is a really great suggestion because IT ALLOWS ALL PLAYERS TO PLAY ALL PARTS OF THE GAME, once they've earned the right to do so (by reaching Tier 10). That's an extremely easy solution to the main problem I have with this concept, throwing away hours of gameplay and loot collection because of this SSF notion is absurd. I (like most players) had absolutely no idea that hours and hours of progress would be wiped away if I wanted to switch factions. I would've never signed up to play Cof in the first place had I realized that from the beginning, but even now that I've switched factions I'm still missing a huge chunk of the game that was really fun and cool, and it's not exactly OP to be able to buy prophecies for your own usage. There is absolutely no advantage or nothing positive from keeping the factions separate as they exist today, it's unnecessarily stupid. Let players keep the gear they earned and there's no more issues.

[normal schooner]

Guys you’ve been going at it all day please give it a rest. Who even cares anymoreeeeeee. You’re both valid in your feelings, agree to disagree pleaseeeee

[peak niche]

People aren't going to complain about something they don't realize they're missing out on, and no matter which faction you choose, you're going to be leaving something out of the gameplay experience either way, which like I said is just like buying a car and being able to choose one or the other, do you want cup holders or a nice radio, you can't have both

[normal schooner]

You both make decent points come onnnnnnn it feels like there’s been arguing in every channel todayyyyyyy

[peak niche]

I agree, this is completely pointless. Everyone else here is just happy to leave things the way they are, which is just human nature

I've only typed in one channel

[normal schooner]

I meant the other channels have been having arguments toooo

It’s just so tiringggg

Idk what is so divisive about this game but come on we all are here to have funnnnnn

[peak niche]

Oh sorry, I hadn't realized that. Well yes, I agree, this is tiring and unnecessarily petty. I just don't like the fact that I've had to remove a big chunk of a great game for some stupid SSF bs

[low prawn]

I have swapped factions before and i could care two sh1ts less.

So have MANY other players

[peak niche]

Ok great, do it again

[low prawn]

you are like... 1% of people who cant stand the system

[peak niche]

See how much fun it is

[low prawn]

You do realize swapping back after the fact is even easier because you already have a gear set form the original faction right?

I thought youd played for 300+ hours

that statement alone shows the ignorance in your point of view

[dense hedge]

I have a handful amount of ascendance right now. Which should I aim for that's good for selling in bazaar?

[peak niche]

Yes, I do, but what i'm saying is that you're not going to like giving up what you have at any point

[low prawn]

wotn be doing much selling at all this late into cycle, but rings

[low prawn]

Give what up? takes all of 5 seconds to regear when swapping back to MG from being CoF for a time. Ive done it.

Literally went CoF to farm runes and glyphs

then swapped back to MG and had my bis build literally ready to go as soon as i swapped

[dense hedge]

idk which items you guys are selling but i'm pretty okay with what I'm selling right now. Made a couple of golds in just days

3x 2LP frostbite shackles (sold at 80m each)
1x 3LP Yulia's path (sold at 1.3b)

I don't see why everyone is saying that market is dead?

thanks for the suggestion! I'll spam rings on the ascendance.

[low prawn]

This entire " discussion " of yours is being argued from the point of view of only a handful of players. The rest of us are perfectly fine with the 2 faction system. And all we want are some fixes / minor tweaks and changes to how they function

And saying that you had to remove a chunk of the game, is disingenuous. Its still there, you are actively choosing to not use it.

[hollow cave]

what item were you unable to get in COF? Fireball helm?

[solar trail]

there's a suggestions-forum in this discord and in the official forums, go tell the devs your suggestion instead of arguing about it here

maybe they'll do a survey and implement it as faction-unrestricted mode if enough people are like you

[low prawn]

enough people are in fact, not like him

[stone violet]

Guys, do u lose ur ranking if u swap factions?

I need to make quick money from MG lol

[dense hedge]

no. just favors (and prophecies for CoF).

[stone violet]

Fantastic, so I can just do all prophecies and safely switch?

[unreal hatch]

But if anything drops while you're cof, it's not tradable

Iirc

[ancient cradle]

anyone got titan heart 4lp? pm

[pearl walrus]

Probably not. .00011% chance to drop before mods

[peak niche]

Yes, the +20 mana from fireball helm at T6 or T7, I haven't seen a single one drop for some reason. Ultimately MG is just a much better way of getting gear in the game, but I really enjoyed the COF system and I'm disappointed in the game developers for essentially removing that element of the game the way that they have, and it's pretty obvious by looking at the ladders that COF is just not nearly as competitive as MG, literally about 90% of the top players are on MG so clearly there's a huge advantage there. I absolutely hate having to run a fake ebay account in the game, but whatever, I'm stuck with it.

[ancient cradle]

haha ye ik

[fervent schooner]

Exalted skill helms be rough for CoF.

[dawn oriole]

is there somewhere i can look at a timeline for item prices? trying to get an idea of what prices will look like when the market isn't inflated because of the gold dupe

[fresh plover]

there wasnt just one dupe and we also had botters so it was screwed from day 1

[marsh jetty]

Believe it or not there are decent 0-1 LP items for 0 gold in MG. 2+ is where you start paying money

[dawn oriole]

that's so unfortunate lmao

[fervent schooner]

So how are people farming 1.5bil gold?

[rose sorrel]

You sell something also worth that lol

[blissful edge]

You can't farm that even with gold blessing
Fastest way is to find a rare item to sell like T6 or T7 level to frosclaw or 1LP Red ring or something and that's very unlikely

Just sell random T7 drops u get and unique with higher LP

It's like a freaking side business or something
The market keeps changing and inflation is crazy for some items

[eternal rose]

How is the bazaar lately? is it dead? worth giving it a try? currently playing CoF

[ancient cradle]

Even if u spam arb?

[hollow cave]

cof doesn't use arb, we have no gold.

[sleek arch]

Are the Cycle and Legacy market separate?

[low prawn]

of course.

[ancient cradle]

Hint, get a few mil with mg char, spam arb

[toxic hull]

Why isn’t there a “all in one class” character for me to play in? Why are the devs forcing me to pick 1 class. I’m missing out a huge chunk of gameplay! Why?!

[toxic hull]

As a rogue, I was perfectly satisfied with the game until I had to start over with my gear that I earn before joining Mage.

[peak niche]

No, That's an entirely different situation Aeon, different characters are different experiences because you can only play one at a time. You just like everyone else in this thread are missing the main point, I really enjoyed the CoF system but it effectively has been removed from the gameplay experience now which is incredibly discouraging for me and my group of friends who are all switching over to MG after spending 200-300 hours on the game not knowing that we would have to be putting our earned gear away in the closet basically never to be used again. And we all like the CoF system and now we just can't utilize it essentially. This system punishes players the longer they play in one faction.

I've suggested a perfectly good solution to this issue in a tier 10 reward that would actually be a great way to solve the issue I have, it would be allow players to wear (but not trade) all of the items they've earned. This would be way better than that stupid Set gear reward for example, who no one wants and it would be something that would reward players for staying in a single faction until they can get to T10, which is great, this rewards players rather than punishes them. The two faction rift system will turn off a lot of players when they find out what's in store for them and it can be really hard to go back to the corruption you were used to, I had a hard time at 200c

[toxic hull]

what? so what exactly is your foundation or basis?
You: The longer you play the more punishing it is when you want to switch?
Me: why is there even a reason to switch in the first place? you chose wrongly? YOU chose wrongly.

You: missing a huge chunk of gameplay no matter what faction you chose.
Me: im literally missing a huge chunk of gameplay when im forced to pick 1 class.

[peak niche]

Oh give me a break, you can't blame players for wanting to play one of the better parts of the game, and you also can't blame them for enjoying it and that's exactly what my group of friends did and they were the ones that got me into this game, all of us together spent hundreds of hours on CoF and I'm the most "hardcore" out of the group so that's why I switched, when I realized the vast majority of the best players are on MG and I needed to try a T6 or T7 fireball mana helmet, which I was trying to farm for 3-4 days and couldn't get a single one. This is not the same as picking one character

[toxic hull]

i dont get it. why are you shifting your goalpost at a whim.
i addressed your issue. i dont give 2 cent about how trash you are in the game or how hardcore you are among your friends.

you can't blame players for wanting to play one of the better parts of the game
so why cant i experience casting spell or summoning as a rogue?

i WANT to experience that.

[peak niche]

Shifting what goal post? Keep your trash talk in pocket dude, you don't know S about me and I've been playing ARPGs since 1997, I know exactly what I'm doing.

[toxic hull]

when I realized the vast majority of the best players are on MG
so you realize you wanna chase after the best? with that attitude of yours? unable to adapt?

[peak niche]

Shut up dude, you're just being pedantic. My points are valid, you're just a sad person.

I'm blocking you now

[toxic hull]

oh you know exactly what you're doing but somehow choosing CoF was a "wrong" move and wants to switch to MG because that's where the "best" players are...

better type up more of your resume.

[signal leaf]

ye at a Casuel lvl it looks like if you be playing from 1997. Exp players dont see your problem as a problem . is more a YOU problem. and Aeons point is same as your point tbh.

and you Can alwyes make a suggestion about it. Sitting for a few days argue in this channel wont make a diffrent

[noble tiger]

Wait, what’s happening with the factions? Is this a new cycle thing?

[strong hare]

Ngl I like this kinda drama. What we need since the population has significantly decreased. Lol

[split wave]

We really didn't need to necro that conversation lol

[fervent schooner]

You are all doo doo brains

[signal leaf]

The dodo (Raphus cucullatus) is an extinct flightless bird that was endemic to the island of Mauritius, which is east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean. The dodo's closest relative was the also-extinct and flightless

[nocturne prairie]

I'm going to remind everyone of #rules 1, thank you

[pearl walrus]

tbh i wouldn't mind being able to swap from COF to MG or vice versa as an MTX

🙂

[solid prawn]

Wtb 10atr 2lp Core of the Mountain

[fringe lark]

I too had no idea switching would brick most all my gear, and looking back I should have researched it more, but that is a harsh unexpected penalty, in my opinion. I banged my head against cof for another 100hrs and am realizing now if I want competitive gear I have to switch. I am waiting to see if they buff cof, or fix the issues with it, and I personally think there are a ton of problems, but I don't have a lot of hope. It has made me really just want to go back to d4 when the next season drops, at least for a while.

[peak niche]

Thank you, I know I'm not the only one, but this channel has been mostly telling me that. People will just get discouraged and stop playing, it's pretty clear that at the bare minimum players should be required to switch early on so that they're aware of the restrictions later on in the game. It's just an unnecessary annoyance as far as I'm concerned. Now that I'm T7 at least I can buy gear to play at 200c, but it took way too long for me to get to T7 cause I had hardly anything to wear while leveling.

[strong hare]

😱

[pearl walrus]

idk im still of the opinion that if they just balance and buff correctly, then make it account bound for the cycle

it'll be a good time

[hollow cave]

can't do this if you are SAF. Which I am, and most COF users are also i would think.

anyways, 3-4 days of not getting an item is nothing, how about 2 months of not getting a single t7 ward/sec experimental. if they are going to make cof viable, they need to fix the timeline boss/experimental situation, and from what they've said, they aren't doing that.

[peak niche]

Yea it was 3-4 days straight looking strictly for that helmet with prophecies after about a month of looking out for one and not seeing one amongst me or my friends, but that's certainly the benefit of MG, and fireball stuff is cheap thankfully. Also yea, I made 24 million on a belt almost immediately and now I'm rolling in the dough, at 200-300c the items dropping sell for a lot

[fringe lark]

Just switched and really wish there was a way to filter based on usable items. Finding what you can use in a crazy full hoarders stash is a major challenge.

And sadly like the dozen lp2 or better jelkhors I kept are all unusable, wish I had kept all the lp1s I had gotten. Now to figure out a build I can play with the gear I can use.

[sharp pawn]

So quick question, how do I sell an item to another player in person?

[solid prawn]

Right click on the person -> trade

[sharp pawn]

Great, thanks!

[ancient cradle]

What are ya selling

[sharp pawn]

Oh, I... honestly have a problem with getting too much stuff for my tabs and can't make gold fast enough to get more. So... lots.

[hearty mantle]

Where all the WHALERS at?

i need a sugar daddy

[hearty mantle]

@solid prawn thats all merchant guild is right? bunch of whalers? ruining the economy of the game?

[strong hare]

Don’t need a lot to profit in MG.

[hearty mantle]

like $20?

[solid prawn]

Blame the gold dupers

[blissful edge]

Nobody can use real money to get gold for items
To make gold u must sell the items you collect

Only cosmetics can be bought with real money

[hearty mantle]

umm.. @blissful edge im pretty sure people are buying in game gold using irl money

[dense hedge]

I agree with you. 200+ hours in CoF but when got tired because it is heavily reliant on RNG. Like come-on, I have never seen a 2LP Smoke Weaver during that time. But when I tried to change to MG, 90% of my equipment arent usable. I am so shocked Like wtf is this. So yeah, I have just endured the recreation of a new character on MG because I love the game. Honestly, if the gravity of punishment is like that, they should've just made the faction a mode during character creation. Having to see the "You can change factions anytime" info is kind of misleading (atleast for me). Like yeah I can change back and forth.... but why? lol I got an MG build and CoF build? what for?

Oh well, the one that I disagree with you is repeating this issue over and over. You've just had a heated argument of this same topic the other day(s). Hopefully you could bring this to suggestions channel and just wait for devs to answer this. Even if you're correct at all point and me being incorrect, there's no point arguing. We are both just players of the game. Cheers mate.

[peak niche]

I really was just responding to all the hate I was getting

[blissful edge]

Idk about the method
But that's against the game policy and can get u banned anytime

[nocturne prairie]

You would be right Makyaro! Should any players suspect or know of someone engaging in RMT to gain an in game advantage you can report them to us either through our Support Team or by DMing @clear tartan 😊

[zealous tendon]

The ability to rightclick > report gold spammer would be very nice

[nocturne prairie]

Not as easy to add as you might think but definitely on the teams list!

[peak niche]

Is it a known bug that the Two-Handed Spear search criteria in the market guild doesn't have "of acid" as a suffix to search for? I have a two handed spear with T7 "Chance to shred armour on hit" but it doesn't seem to exist in the search criteria for two handed spears

[fresh plover]

known

[vestal geyser]

favour caps out at 999999?

[ancient cradle]

Are u dumb? Or just trolling?

[ancient cradle]

Ye

[hearty mantle]

im dumb? thats not very community like of you to say

[ancient cradle]

Buhu

[hearty mantle]

mhmm people like you are why games like this flop...its ok man

[ancient cradle]

Haha yeah, go tell ur 3 viewers that on Twitch

[hearty mantle]

to deny the fact that people buy gold is nieve lol

11 actually

[ancient cradle]

I am not denying that at all

[hearty mantle]

its also 5 am

[ancient cradle]

Ur saying ”that’s all merchant guild is right? Bunch of whalers ruining the economy”

[hearty mantle]

i said all?

and is that a false statement? gold duping, gold buying, and item duping

[ancient cradle]

Lmao

[hearty mantle]

youre probably one of em 😄

[ancient cradle]

Its a small minority that does that

[ancient cradle]

If u say so buddy

[hearty mantle]

not your buddy

[ancient cradle]

Thank god

[hearty mantle]

yea im not buddys with punks behind keyboards

[ancient cradle]

Hahaha

Ur delusi

But its fine, keep it up

[hearty mantle]

im delusi? whats that mean?

dont know how to spell it so you shortened the word?

and the childish act of attacking my twitch channel? what do you have? drop the link...id love to see

[nocturne prairie]

@ancient cradle @hearty mantle - #rules 1, thank you

[hearty mantle]

thank you so much. i felt very much disrespected and bullied

[torn crag]

They certainly didn't suggest that you can switch without consequence. And, of course, this "penalty" is because they do not want it in any way to be beneficial to participate in both instead of one or the other. In other words, players shouldn't be incentivized to level up both for efficiency's sake. And if you could switch without penalty, it would be optimal to get gear from both places.

[fringe lark]

I'm not sure how it would be beneficial in any way to participate in both when one is clearly better than the other. I understand the logic, I just think the system is flawed. After having more experience with the game, I guess the answer is to get factions leveled with both and then use whichever is better, which right now is clearly mg. Maybe it is just me, but looking at an inventory that is half X gear is annoying. I guess it is a matter of more tabs which I already have way too many of lol.

[low prawn]

Having a CoF alt / swap set allows you to go farm runes and glyphs.

And affix shards

Runes and glyphs become aa pain in the ass when you start really min maxxing gear

so havign the ability to do prophs for them is a massive W for CoF

[blissful edge]

Finally Rank 10 after 24 days
Also Rank 10 in CoF

CoF is faster and way cheaper to get more items

MG takes some time and costs way more later on
It's 0 gold to buy base specific uniques with no LP which is faster to mak a specific build than CoF
but gets expensive the more LP
And takes time to price check and list things but feels good when u wake up and see sales lol

[fresh plover]

"CoF is faster and way cheaper to get more items" thats just not true tho, and what kind of items u are talking abt

more items for your build, or more items in general? cause COF drops like way more items, they are just useless for your build

[split wave]

Well sure, all items are cheaper in CF because they are 0 gold
Kinda a non-statement though...

[fresh plover]

[blissful edge]

@fresh plover @split wave
Obviously it wasn't about 0 gold items
"Faster and cheaper" i was talking about LP items
In CoF u get tons of LP items super fast literally for free but it's random

[fresh plover]

well by same logic u can buy tons of 1-2lp items on MG for like 0-100k

which is basically free

[blissful edge]

That's specifically targeting trash lp items
Irrelevant

[fresh plover]

what do u think 99% of lp drops in cof are

same trash that u can buy on mg which is irrelivant

[blissful edge]

Nah
Got tons of good items
It's mixed

[fresh plover]

what is true tho is that for any truly rare item its easier to find money on mg to get that item 100% without relying on rng

while in cof u can sit for months without luck

and after that u will miss your slam

[split wave]

Yep, trade is trade. RNG is cruel.

[fresh plover]

and wait for next cycle

[blissful edge]

Got my full cof build in one month of creating my first character
Not that long

A good MG build woth LP is faster if u have tons gold ready

[fresh plover]

oh there is no doubt that there are plenty of builds that can be decked out on cof nobody argues with that

but every single build is much easier to gear in mg

and whats more importantly no rng there

[split wave]

Both factions are completely fine for gearing up to do all content. Honestly don't even need a faction for that.

[blissful edge]

Nah not every build
I have some 2LP items in CoF which are crazy expansive in MG
Yeah not every build

[fresh plover]

thats the thing that LE by design has reliable gold sources

lightless arbor is one of examples

i stopped playing monoliths overall after 2 weeks and only played lighliess arbor after that for weeks

made billions by casually farming

[blissful edge]

Oh interesting

[fresh plover]

so gold is never an issue, its just overwhelming to new people who have no clue on how to make money

[blissful edge]

Never did that dungeon actually
I will tho

My max gold is 100M and I had to use a few millions
Never went above that
I guess it's time for lightless then

[fresh plover]

but in MG there will always be reliable gold farming strats, thats just how devs made the game

too many detersministic drops

and there will always be couple meta items among that loot

[blissful edge]

Yeah i'm trying to get some of that
That dungeon sounds interesting

[split wave]

tbf it does help to have metric tons of experience in the game to know the best ways to farm the things that are expensive, and to just know what stuff is generally good

[fresh plover]

i meaaannn

all it takes is to read this channel to know tbh

people talked abt strategies a lot

so ye u dont need to even know anything abt the game

[split wave]

kinda yeah, of course just being in this server means you're probably already in the top players

[blissful edge]

Technically all players are here
Discord link is in he game first page

[fresh plover]

naaah we have very few %

only 300k-350k memebers on disc iirc

and pretty sure we have 1.5m copies sold at least

[blissful edge]

Oh

[fresh plover]

if not more

[split wave]

and definitely only a small portion of that is active in the chat, probably most of those are just here to follow the news channel

[fresh plover]

truu

but ya gold in mg is basicaly: google occasionally all top meta builds, check all the boss/dungeon drops for those builds and then farm it

[blissful edge]

Yeah trying to farm meta items

[fresh plover]

idk if lightless arbor will stay relevant in the future without heavy rmt and botters

cause in 1.0 after getting 50 mil u could not only farm LA boss but also endlessly gambling and getting 50-100 exlats per run

but the dungeon should be still good just cause boots and helmet is needed for many builds

[blissful edge]

Time to use my keys then
Let the farm begin

[fresh plover]

hopefully they will nerf ward enough so at least itll be challenging in the future

i know a lot of newbies struggle in it if they dont play immortal builds

[blissful edge]

Hell no
It's a function not a bug
If they ever do that i will play the game on offline
I already have 1.0.5 game files saved just in case something happens

[fresh plover]

they already said ward gonne be heavily nerfed lol

question is how heavy

[blissful edge]

Runemasters will be furious

[fresh plover]

cause they want to balance HP vs WARD and well...hp builds get 4-5k with absolutely insane gear

and avarage hp andy runs on 2-3k

so yee ward is way ahead of that

[blissful edge]

Well i don't care
I already have the version i need anyway 😌
I will play nercomancer next

[fresh plover]

i mean if we are talking abt offline, you dont even need old versions, since u can always modify passives/items to get as much ward as u want

but need to know how to mod the game for that

[blissful edge]

That's easy bit boring when u can get anything u want instantly

I just want to keep playing like this

Nerfing something because it's good i can't stand that

[fresh plover]

well u also have to think abt overall picture

why would u ever play life build in 1.0 client?

or should immortal builds be in the game in the first place?

i mean to each their own but it feels like a cheat code now

[blissful edge]

LE is my first ARPG game actually
Started playing only because of the Frosclaw Runemaster build
It's literally immoral to a certain point

[fresh plover]

well thats not normal, but makes sense if its your first arpg

[blissful edge]

Well it's fun to play and makes the game cool

Wraithlord build will be my 2nd character

[strong hare]

Meta will change . We just need to adapt

[blissful edge]

Depends if it's a good meta or no

[fresh plover]

well for u and some players maybe, the huge downside of having builds with immortality or infinite damage is that it kills variety and creativity in game

which a lot of people enjoy

[blissful edge]

Exactly
That's what i need and nothing more for the moment

[fresh plover]

vast majority of people wont even bother playing builds like life melee sentinel or swipe bear after they played falconer ballista or frostclaw runemaster

[blissful edge]

Got tired of using blades in other games
So a mage is amazing

[fresh plover]

so its like they taste 1% of top builds that is 100x stronger than anything else, then try playing any normal build out of 99% remaning and it feels awful so they go back to their top build or some other broken meta untill get bored, seen it many times

[blissful edge]

Ouch

[fresh plover]

thats actually exactly what happened with 1.0, majority of playerbase played falconer and warlock, they got nerfed a lil and half of people switched to paladin and runemaster/necro then everyone switched to MM jelkor since got bored, so in total majority of people only played 6-7 builds out of hundreds possibilities

[blissful edge]

Yeah i did see videos about warlock getting nerfed
But it was kinda bugged to begin with
Well i will enjoy my runemaster as long as i can then switch to necromancer
If then nerf them i have my 1.0.5 ready

[fresh plover]

well all mentioned above builds are still top tier and 100x stronger than anything else even post nerfs sooo

we will see

[blissful edge]

Yeah
Unless they want to lose half of players
I don't think they will nerf them

[fresh plover]

oh they can definetly nerf it plenty and itll still feel way better than anything else, imo they need to nerf those a lil more and then buff everything else to come on par

[blissful edge]

What's with the nerfing and buffing O_O
Sounds like a recipe or something
Not polished at all

[fresh plover]

well cause they didnt polish at all, released version is a big mess

🤣

[blissful edge]

Yeah lol

[normal schooner]

Exaggeration of the century lmao

[blissful edge]

We will see about that if they do the nerf thing

[normal schooner]

It’s going to get nerfed

And half the players aren’t gonna quit lol

If anything, they’ve already left since they’re waiting for new update, and will most likely return in droves after the update

Also that insinuates that half the player base is meta abusing, which… yeah, maybe actually.

[blissful edge]

Nobody knows
It will be determined by the nerf level

[ancient cradle]

Nothing abusive to enjoy ”meta builds” generally ppl like strong builds/chars across any game, just how things work. Big numbers big smiles

Nothing wrong with it imo, can be a bit ”unethical” at the worst if its bug abusing to gain a upper hand on other players

Just my 0.02

[normal schooner]

Im not talking about those players then, lol

[fresh plover]

well that is true, at least according to statistics, iirc on first 2 weeks of the cycle over half of playerbase played trap ballista or bone curse ward abuse(combined)

[normal schooner]

Yeah not gonna lie man

This is the first ARPG I’ve actually interacted with the community

(I played D3 RoS way back on the PS4)

And I’ve come out of it with more negative than positive feelings for ARPG players man

[fresh plover]

well as long as i can get rich selling items to people playing meta i dont mind, but i highly dislike obviously broken builds

strong builds are fine they will always exist, but broken...no bueno

and all new players are absolutely clueless and dont even realize whats broken and whats strong

[novel geyser]

The biggest downside with having broken builds

Is that once ppl - especially casuals, who just follow build guides blindly get used to the standard created by those broken build

They wont be able to enjoy the other 99% of stuff that arent broken

They would feel so weak and useless

[split wave]

I think that ship is already sailed, unfortunately

hopefully they do reign things in in 1.1, and I hope they don't get too much hate for it

[novel geyser]

Yeah ship already sailed with 40% warlock and immortal falconer leading the charge

I personally know at least 5 ppl who quit the game because their warlocks only have 15k ward now instead of 150k

[normal schooner]

damn g

I just feel sorry for those people lol

[fresh plover]

yep absoluetly insane crowd

i tried talking to some of those, and like what do u even respond to "i keep dying after nerfs with only 60k ward"

[solid prawn]

Thats insane

[fresh plover]

imo they shouldve locked all classes until u get forge guard to lvl 100

maybe then people wouldve had more realistic views

[solid prawn]

You say “skill issue”

[fresh plover]

i actually responded that to one guy

u know what he said

"you've never been past 1k cor"

[solid prawn]

Lmaooooo

[fresh plover]

meanwhile i was there years before he even bought the game

[solid prawn]

Giga chad

[normal schooner]

That’s when you tell them, “reach it on another build bro bro”

[fresh plover]

so the reality of 1.0 is new player googling bugged or broken build, pushing it to 1-2k corruptions and then quitting cause it got nerfed and 30-60k ward isnt enough to facetank every single mechanic/enemy in the game on 2k cor

which btw is still enough so idk how they even died

maybe no armor

[normal schooner]

Maybe one shot mechanic

[fresh plover]

nah even orobus wont hit that hard outside of standing in his dot pools

maybe thats why

[normal schooner]

Orobyss be SLAPPING me sometimes

[solid prawn]

Prob no armor like u said, maybe even disregarding reses, no idea how DoT mit works etc

[fresh plover]

well i know that orobus meteor hits for 28-30k on 1.3k cor without any dr's except for armor

[normal schooner]

At 60k Ward I feel like armor barely even matters

[fresh plover]

and i dont think anything hits more than orobus meteor on high corruption

maybe dragon blast?

[fervent schooner]

orobyss meteor for sure, in echos those smoldering lithracs catch me off guard sometimes

[blissful edge]

Freaking deal of the century
Got it for 30 Millions just now
Cheapest one goes for at least 940 Millions
I'm thankful tho

[strong hare]

Gz

[honest cave]

Kekw. It was me and the whole conversation started by you saying 15k ward makes you immortal. (Which it clearly doesn't). But yeah, I haven't quitted. And prolly wont in a while. This is the first game which gives me D2 vibes and I blasted D2 for roughly 50k hours

[fresh plover]

firsly 30k, 15k is balanced and how it should be for top end builds, with some exceptions but ya we will see in 1.1 hopefully EHG wont f' up and put couple of immortal builds or builds with infinite dmg there, otherwise pinnacle boss hyped content will end up as a joke

[honest cave]

I agree with you on that. Healing hands pally doing 300k ward or the old torment lock doing 300k ward is just absurd. Or the DA MM doing 150k corruption orobyss kill in 4seconds. It's just giga unbalanced atm.

[fresh plover]

funny enough DA MM wasnt even the most broken build this patch, we had warlock doing 2.1 bill ticks of bleed from ghostflame for 2 weeks in the patch, essentially one shotting anything that is possible in the game since its the limit on how much hp mobs can have

[honest cave]

Yeah the negative dmg numbers hits?

[fresh plover]

ye it was displayed as -21931289312912912

[honest cave]

That got fixed pretty fast tho?

Yeah

[fresh plover]

not really, got fixed after people posted videos of it

before that naaa

[blissful edge]

So it was possible to tank everything in the past with 30k-60k ward ? Ecen shades meteor !!!!!
In which version did they nerf that ?

[fresh plover]

nerf? they didnt

plenty of builds still have that and more

[novel geyser]

you have to play the game with your legs or something

to get hit by shade meteor

[honest cave]

Shades meteor will oneshot you if you afk in it for sure

[novel geyser]

as long as you can take oneshot from stuff like piercing void, absoring meteor etc you should be fine

those could be hard to dodge especially with fps drop

[inland lagoon]

U shouldnt be tanking orobyss’s avoidable skills

[honest cave]

Yeah you shouldn't. Learned that the hard way. Been duo'ing with a m8 as HH pally having 300k ward, 8k armor, 200 allres and whatnot. Literally afk zooming through echoes @ 3k corruption thinking of being unkillable and almost falling asleep. Then afk'ing in shade and getting clapped and thinking "Oh, I guess that needs to be dodged"

[blissful edge]

For a minute i thought they did nerf it
As long as we have ward we will be safe
Ward is king

[fresh plover]

I like life builds way more, the only ward variation which is strong but not broken is vessel of strife setups now imo

[blissful edge]

Risky

[fresh plover]

risky? thats how game was intended to play, half a year ago we had like 2-3 builds max that could reach 20k ward at most

its like we had one game for 4 years then devs said F it and added 2 big pathes with absurd numbers on new classes

[blissful edge]

So it was boring then some smart dev made it cool luckily

[fresh plover]

depends whats boring for u, facetanking everything is super boring to me, dodging and moving fast is more fun

whats exiting abt ignoring everything that devs designed to be engaging

[blissful edge]

Also they lied about ward
In the game it says "ward has no cap"
Wrong !
It's freaking capped at 65k 😮‍💨

[fresh plover]

no its not

its visual glitch

[blissful edge]

Oh really 😲

Watch them next cycle they will fix it and make it 30k max 🤣

[fresh plover]

more like 15

[blissful edge]

Eww

[signal finch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/totemless-poison-nova-scorpion-beastmaster

[simple knoll]

Totemless Poison Nova Scorpion Beastmaster Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Release / 1.0

Class

Primalist / Beastmaster

Used skills

• Swipe
• Summon Scorpion
• Warcry
• Eterra's Blessing
• Fury Leap

Used unique items

None

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Beginner / SSF / Melee / Minions / DoT

Created by CookBook · May 26, 2023, 9:42 AM

[signal finch]

i don't understand the Endgame build part... why Cleaver solution is a good weapon for this build?

[toxic hull]

this seem very illogic.
1: if the owner had a typo mistake by one zero, that would be 300m but the cheapest goes for 940m.
2: and since the max price for any item is 1.5b but his starting digit is 3 and you cant go for 3000m.

[blissful edge]

Yeah very weird
Saw it 1 min after he/she listed it
I was like WTH am i seeing rn
Probably impossible to reach 940M this cycle
So 30M is a freaking dream in reality
Luckily i had enough gold to grab it fast

[solid prawn]

If you peek in the store often enough, ull come across gems like that once in a while

With that being said, haven’t seen a 10 atr 2lp CoM the past week so thats that

[strong hare]

Tbh something like that probably trade via RMT through face to face in-game interaction instead of AH

[spare bronze]

cleaver solution gives intelligence (int) for each point of strength (str). you stack str which becomes int, which gives you ward retention for lowlife ward setup

[blazing forum]

where did all the 1lp red rings go? just one bad one left for 1.5 bil. was there another gold problem? or just end of season, noone playing, everyone spending leftover gold?

[hidden widget]

probably not as many people playing rn

[ancient cradle]

^^

[solid prawn]

i was wondering about the same thing, the player base for the past 2.5 weeks has been pretty stable but clearly the items have been disappearing faster than the supply, it almost feels as if the drop rates were suddenly changed

[split wave]

They were not changed

[novel geyser]

ppl stop listing highend items due to price cap

[ancient cradle]

And less overall drops due to lower player base. That’s just how cycles/leagues work

[brazen jackal]

What is this LP you speak of for Red Rings? Never even seen a picture of it with that (lets google). Also what is this "bil" ? Yeah CoF twerp here. 😉

[blazing forum]

#⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[brazen jackal]

Oh sorry missed I was not allowed to post in merchant guild channel as cof. Thanks for pointing it out. 👍

[blissful edge]

Holy moly
4LP went from 420 Millions to over a Billion overnight 😲
People bought all under a billion ones
Crazy

[signal finch]

@spare bronze thank you! it is my first time following a guide in this game and the endgame part was just "here are the equips" and i've never seen them D:

[torn crow]

this may seem like a stupid question, But can you join both factions on one account (1character in 1 and another in the other)?

[strong hare]

Yes

[torn crow]

bless

[mighty kite]

But have in mind that all bought items can only used on your mg char while you can't sell the cof things.

Just mention it, if you are not already aware of it

[blissful edge]

Remove fireball, put frosclaw instead it will be your main skill in the future

4th place you can use flame ward for more defense
This will make it easier to level up

[normal schooner]

Bro is a booster lmao, bro who pays for a boost in Last Epoch 😭

Dude they boost for free if you just ask out here 😭

[blazing forum]

does frostcalw work for lvling? not too mana hungry?

[blissful edge]

While leveling you are limited to fewer skill points

You can still use it if you drop all red circles notes and get as much points in green nktr as possible
Hat should help with mana
Also get mana regen belt or ring if possible

• a wand that has mana regen u should be fine

[blazing forum]

not just use chain lightning for leveling and later swap to fc? don't even remember what i used for lvling back then 🤔 😅

[blissful edge]

Level up frostclaw and elemental nova as soon as possible (your main future skills)

U can always use them separately for now and later on with some gear frosclaw will trigger elemental nova by itself

[blazing forum]

you want to use ele nova separatly in a fc build? that starts to sound really weird.

[blissful edge]

Dude you said you're leveling up
You will drain your mana instantly if u trigger nova with fc early on

[blazing forum]

can you read? my RM is lvl 100 with a +4 heart for months

[blissful edge]

Why did you ask this then since your lvl 100
What's wrong with you 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hollow cave]

there's no mention of your +4 heart RM anywhere. why are you attacking this guy for trying to help

[peak niche]

Question, if I switch factions, do I lose all the items I have up for sale as well, or does that not change? I just want to switch factions to farm glyphs of despair

[slender venture]

Are there still a bunch of people buying gears?

[peak niche]

I've been selling an average of about 10 items per day on the market, making around 20-30 mil per day

[blissful edge]

That's what i asked a few weeks ago and nobody gave me an answer lol

Luckily i already tried it
All listings will remain and even can be sold while you're in there other faction
When you come back to MG you can claim the money

Ps: Favor will reset to 100 whenever u change factions

[peak niche]

Cool, thanks for the tips, I decided to just get glyphs from the lightless arbor, but I'm determined to beat at at T4 this time around (for the first time) and I'm on my 3rd attempt lol

[blissful edge]

You're welcome
And i thought you're selling T4 lightless arbor items
Then what r u selling instead ?

[peak niche]

most of the money I've made has been from idols, it's a pita to look up the price of each one and price yours accordingly, but that's unfortunately what has to be done it seems

[blissful edge]

Nice
Yeah my first week in MG i remember listing Evey single good Idol i got lol
Decent money on good rolls

[peak niche]

Finally beat him, woohoo, 3rd time's a charm I guess. Luckily the dungeons are like 2 minute activities once you're fully geared up, these red rings are so awesome

[blissful edge]

Congrats 👏🏻🎉

[marsh jetty]

For clarity, you don't lose any items but you do lose the ability to equip them. So if you go from MG to COF, anything you've purchased in MG will be unequippable.

[peak niche]

Yes, thank you Aracanthus, I really hated learning that the hard way coming from COF, me and my group of 3 friends (who started me on this game) didn't realize that lol, it was a tough pill to swallow but luckily I've rebuilt my character completely to be even better than before

[marsh jetty]

I'm in your boat. Didn't realize I'd be unable to equip my CoF items and it was rough for a minute

[peak niche]

And honestly I truly needed to switch because even with 300+ hours in the game I hadn't seen a single exalted fireball +20 mana helmet, and even after switching to MG I still haven't seen a single one

[marsh jetty]

There's a couple things I haven't seen come up either. Probably a rare item people actually use instead of get extras of

[solid prawn]

2 x 4lp enigmas listed atm

[tropic bridge]

there still bunch of affixes aren searchable at bazaar? or they fixed it?

[peak niche]

I've only discovered one not available, armor shred

[slender venture]

sweet! just got back playing and i'm on MG

[tropic bridge]

okay. still keeping bad rewiev than) thats basically thhe only thing that keeps me not playing this game)

[fresh plover]

Huh

A prime example why steam reviews are useless nowadays

[novel geyser]

what's aren't searchable in bazaar beside armor shred anw?

[fresh plover]

nothing

[low prawn]

wouldnt say that.

They jsut got sony, yknow, one of the great big multi billion dollar companies to revert a change that was gonig into effect.

[winter kraken]

I wouldn't say useless, the key is read a few bad reviews and see if they have any legit concerns. If I see "bad game" and nothing else, or overly stupid/silly things I just ignore the bad reviews.

[fervent schooner]

Y’all can read?

[distant fable]

Hey guys, any chance i could borrow from some1, just 630k gold? im missing to buy item for 14m...and i want to rush before disapair. I give back a 1m quick, when something get sold from me.

Can some1 please help me ? Im online now.

IGN: GAMBLERRR

sorrry if its offtopic

[hallow orchid]

lol feels like normal daily scam from stranger

[ancient cradle]

Why would someone ask for 630k as a scam xd, 630k is nothing rly

[blazing forum]

yea, even if he gets that from a bunch of ppl really

[fervent schooner]

If you too have been scammed by Toxicrain, you may be entitled to a settlement. Call now.

[ancient cradle]

Haha yeah thats a different story

Still i would never scam for less than 50m 😉

Luckily i am no broke dweeb

[distant fable]

wtf....never will ask in this channel again. Calling people scammer becuase ask for 630k. I will log in now to the game, im sure will have gold already from solded items, just item i want will dissapear for sure. Just back from swimming pool IRL. My main is on 1.5k corruption, got around idk 500-600h in game. wtf some people there...

[peak niche]

Yea, I can tell that the community has turned a bit sour as everyone awaits the new cycle and gets bored of grinding the same monos over and over. I've gotten some of that from others too on here and in the game

[winter kraken]

Let's be honest, it's one of the oldest scams in the book, "I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" for those old enough to understand that reference. That's why you typically ask friends for loans not random people 😛

[distant fable]

nobody is playing anymore this game, lol. Yeah scam, where my gear is worth couple bilions. Nvm.

[winter kraken]

The concept is lack of trust, if people don't believe you it doesn't matter what your justification why you wouldn't scam is. Also, even if you have bilions worth of gear, it doesn't stop some people from scamming anyways. A lot of scammers don't scam out of need, it's most often a compulsion for them.

[distant fable]

yeah scam 600k gold. Great logic, get banned on discord and game, for 600k gold, where is worth 0 in game, and 0 IRL, where botters, dupers was selling bilion gold for 2$. cool story bro. Scam for 0.00000000000001$

wtf....

[winter kraken]

you are assuming you would get banned. From discord unlikely unless mass reported, from game highly unlikely. Also as I said, it's a compulsion for some people, it's not about the worth but the act itself.

for the record i'm not accusing you directly of scamming, only that people being suspicous isn't completely unjustifed

[solid prawn]

I’ll gladly lend u that bro, dont mind the trolls, hit me up if ur still in need

[distant fable]

bought already item, thanks. Dont need it sir.

[rose sorrel]

Your gear is a couple of billion but you need 600k for a 14m item? Lol

Nothing against you or taking any sides but if you can farm a couple of billion then you could have farmed 600k in the time it took to find someone to lend it

[strong hare]

Idk why you are getting offended. You asked for gold and that allowed for others to respond to you however they want.

[tepid wedge]

Bro why does everyone list items for 0 gold

The trade economy is so broken lol

[novel geyser]

because that item is very easy to find and ppl just list it for the favor?

you never seen a giveaway before or what

[tepid wedge]

idk just seems dumb to me

Maybe I will get used to it

[peak niche]

Yea, I never understood that either, and it makes me not want to post things for like $10k

[pulsar latch]

Supply and demand. High supply high demand = reasonable price, high supply low demand = ppl either leave it on the ground or sell it for 0. Even then it might still take two weeks for you to sell it.

[fresh plover]

yep it wont make a difference if you post trash that nobody buys for 0 or not, but mostly people post for 0 cause of misinformation

[peak niche]

Misinformation, like they think they're gaining favor rather than spending it? They seem to post them a lot for $0, seems to be a very widespread thing

[solid prawn]

or some people do it cuz they just wana help new comers out

[normal schooner]

Wild that no one here even thought of that yet 😭

Tells ya what kinda people we’re dealing with here 😭

[novel geyser]

yeah idk why this guy freaked out over that

giving away low market value items for new players

getting some favor

absolute W-W

[normal schooner]

To some people, doing something out of the kindness of your heart is unthinkable smh my head

[fervent schooner]

All the items I list for 0 gold have a root hack virus attached.

[solid prawn]

honestly man, makes me sad sometimes

[solid prawn]

100%, manifest some good karma for your slams

[fierce obsidian]

Hey so I'm looking for 2 of these and I cant get them to drop anyone got them

[fresh plover]

buy them from market....thats kinda the whole point of mg

[torn crow]

does anyone have an ambitions of an erased acolyte I can have?

[tepid prism]

how much is 4lp Exsanguious going for?

[fresh plover]

it doesnt exist

[honest cave]

5ish bil

[fresh plover]

did we even have one this season? i havent seen one, and its 0.0066% chance of getting that lp

[honest cave]

There was at least 2 of them in the auction house in the 1st month

[fresh plover]

[honest cave]

They were both 1.5bil and sold in less than 30 minutes even before the prices went totally monkaS

[novel geyser]

yeah

i had money to buy one at around 400m in the 2nd week or something but hesitated

:sadge

[blissful edge]

I didn't play at the very beginning
Never saw one actually in online
I have 4 of them
All 4LP in offline tho with the best slams of course 😏

[torn crow]

does anyone have an ambitions of an erased acolyte I can have?

[brave cave]

Anyone ever seen a flesh of the woven 4lp?

[fierce obsidian]

@fresh plover yeah but they are sold for obscene amount

[solid prawn]

WTB 3LP Blood of the Exile boots

[nocturne prairie]

Lets not spread misinformation, thank you

[tulip vault]

Yeah, that's still the point of MG 😄 good 8-9% smite idols are quite rare if you're MG. I've farmed them with CoF where you can specifically farm for adorned idols, found 2 9% with good second affix out of around 3-400 adorned idols (around 8-10 8-9% with whatever other affixes in total). Now imagine how rare it is for MG where the only reliable source of idols is the echo reward which does not guarantee to even drop and adorned idol. It's rare and demand is high because the build is strong, so it's obscenely expensive.

[low prawn]

? that was obviously a joke

how anyone would think he was serious is beyond me

[winter kraken]

is there any way to search for unique modifer ranges, or do i have to scroll thru all 200+ pages to search for a decent one?

[craggy isle]

scroll

[nocturne prairie]

You'd be surprised and I have to cover all bases. It's also why I use a lot of emotes, the 😆 / 😅 / 🤣 do a lot of heavy lifting when I make jokes or be sarcastic 😊

[fervent schooner]

😆

[normal schooner]

😭

[solid prawn]

Been a month since a 3lp exiled boots were last listed, sad ass world

[normal schooner]

😔

[blissful edge]

Play offline
It's a happy 4LP world 😏

[fresh plover]

at that point u can play LEtools instead of LE 😏

[blissful edge]

Even after making full COF and MG rumemaster builds fully after wasting tons of hours from my life for a decent RNG slam and tons of uniques and exaults wasted

I can't handle the stress of losing a decent unique because of stupid rng slam anymore
At this point it's not fun it's just stress

Luckily i don't have to anymore 😌

[upper kraken]

been there done that in many offline games. Can u alter the corruption there using the said tools u have, kindly put 10kcor on ur rm and fight shade normally ith ur op mods but no god mode.

[blissful edge]

It's not about corruption lvl or God mode
It's about getting 4LP instead of wasting days from my life and never getting that
Also slamming and wasting uniques is dumb
That's why i just play normally but my uniques drop with 4LP instead

[solid prawn]

wtb 3lp exiled boots 😭

[distant fable]

I'm selling 4lp exiled boots. I accept 3 pairs 3lp for it 😂😂😂😅

[potent jetty]

Is merchant guild playable now?)

It was unbearable 2 months ago

[upper kraken]

cheapest 3lp laddle and 3lp enigma rn in mg if u make a char that uses laddle btw

[low prawn]

games dead

and newxt cyucle is two months out

so

[scenic pier]

Insanely slow dev time for a mid looking road map imo

[fresh plover]

they are just 2 weeks over 4 month period for cycle 2 and people make a fuss about it, ngl reading a lot of msges from such people in discord is a brain rot, also not sure what u expected from road map

looks like you are just complaining for a sake of complaining

[low prawn]

and they told us cycle 2 isnt coming until july, so yes, insanely slow dev time

thatll make it 5 months or so between cycles

that aint it chief

at all

4 months tops for a seasonal style content release

[fresh plover]

i think its fine, since its first two cycles

[low prawn]

and even that is pushing it

its not

lmfao

[fresh plover]

not like its a fully developed game, 1.0 was a big mess

[low prawn]

it is a fully released game tho.

[fresh plover]

with a lot of bugs

[low prawn]

cant say it isnt, or pretend its not

ok and?

[fresh plover]

and server issues

[low prawn]

they chose to go full release knowing full well it asnt ready

thats their fault

quit makin excuses for em 😂

[fresh plover]

sooo u cant expect the same standards as from poe with 12+years in development or d4 with 4000 emplyoees

[low prawn]

giving them a 10 month + long pass for the first 2 - 3 cycles is just sadge

Literalyl every game that does seasons, even new ones tht come out in 1.0 releases, all do 3 month rotations from the jump.

so yes, i will hold EHG to the same standard.

[fresh plover]

idk its alien to me cause i dont feel that way, when they announced july 9, all i felt is a lil dissapointment, but its nowhere near as big of a deal as people make it into

😅

[low prawn]

there is literally fk all to do after 3 months of palying

game just does not have enough content to sustain itself for longer than that

[fresh plover]

and thats ok, that wont change in months or even years lol

it takes time

just play as much as you feel like and get to other things to do in the life, devs will develop game more and more over the years

dont see an issue or how do u see any of that being resolved quickly

i just dont see a point of people coming in discord saying game dead, 5 month cycle OMEGALUL, 99% playerbase drop etc. To me it seems pointless childish and useless, its not like devs abandoned the game, they are working on it, even posted a clear plans for 1+year of development which looks promissing, like whats more do u want, as long as the game is getting better who cares abt those details

[split wave]

Yeah, I got plenty of games I want to get through, I don't want one game to try and monopolize my game time like Destiny or something lol

[fresh plover]

the meme..."its just a game bro" fits perfectly here

[scenic pier]

That is slow. 4 months for a minor update after receiving millions

[fresh plover]

Minor?

Where did u get that from

We are getting whole new endgame system, addition to monoliths similar to exile mages and skill overhaul how is that minor?

[scenic pier]

Fact is they rushed the game out and the game has barely changed in the past 3-4 years. It’s consistent slow dev time. I got that from reading their own road map. They are adding harbingers and bosses, and a dodge. That’s minuscule after 4 months. The game is heavily lacking and it’s barely improving after 4 cycles which is around 1.5 years

[fresh plover]

If its minuscule to u im kinda speechless thats way way more than what poe or d4 offers in new seasons

How is that small?

Also u cant say anything about 1.5 in the future cause you dont know the specifics of their roadmap plans and how much they will affect the game, it could be minor or could change the whole game

Just judging on your own baseless assumptions

[scenic pier]

Doesn’t come close to what POE adds in a season 😂

[fresh plover]

idk what to tell you, your takes sound really weird man

both poe and d4 usually add 1 seasonal mechanic per season, from what LE devs spoiled we already will be getting way more than that

updated old classes skills/passives, endgame mechanics(harbinger) and pinnacle bosses which is a whole new endgame system, on top of dodge roll and small things like new items etc

[low prawn]

d4 literally just redid everything for a season.

so hop off ehg

Like they fundamentally changed most of the game

[novel geyser]

So ugh

Play d4 then?

[low prawn]

See i would, but im currently not in the habit of supportibg blizz.

also the excuse of them not having a 4000 member dev team like d4, doesnt fly since tha majority of those just worked on the base games release. It has nowhere near that many dedicated to it now.

EHG just made 🏦 hand over fist off full release, and im assuming even with how limited they were / are, off the cosmetics too

that amount of money allows them to scale up, and shouldve enabled a decently fast new content release cycle.

[low prawn]

what theyve shown is is extremely minor yes. A handful of new bosses, and maybe a new story?

where is our main campaign ending at?

[tiny spire]

Its the last of epochs, mate.

[fresh plover]

ye...discord getting is more and more insane with the end of the season...good luck with your beliefs/opinions Kyo 🤣

[low prawn]

continue giving ehg that good good

instead of holding them to a reasonable standard

[fervent schooner]

Why aren’t you supporting blizz?

[torn crow]

#💰┃merchants-guild Hello everyone. Is anyone online who can help me out and either trade me or buy for me an ambitions of the erased acolyte? Im only rank 6 and cant buy them until rank 10 🙏

[split wave]

You can buy them if they haven't been used yet (still have all their original Weaver's Will). If you can't buy something on the Bazaar, you can't buy it in direct trading either, they have the exact same rules.

Just filter out to only see uniques and not legendaries

[torn crow]

ahhh true. Aight tY

[static knot]

bazaar is error and I don't get gold from sold page

[marsh jetty]

Exit game, verify files.

[tiny spire]

Excess plus one items, good and realisitic price iz? Zero golds? I dun mind, really...

[solid prawn]

it has been about 2 months since the last 3LP Exiled boots with 12 int was posted, dire times

[scenic pier]

2 months 🥲

[low prawn]

as stated, the game is dead

its in cryo atm

most people moved on til next cycle

and i doubt most even come back due to how long they are taking to release it

[solid prawn]

i really do hope they come back & more new people join as well

so we see those random 4LP items being posted for 1 mil gold type of things happen again

[hollow plank]

the first cycle is really really long it's crazy

2 months would be a good balance between people who grind the game every day for hours on end and the casuals

[low prawn]

cause we are in beta.

[hollow plank]

we aren't in beta

[low prawn]

thats all this cycle was.

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-dont-get-it-gif-8906259

[hollow plank]

ye mb didn't get the joke, there literally wasn't a pun imo

[low prawn]

if you cant see the joke there... i have bad news for you

[hollow plank]

again, why should there be bad news for me if I can't see the joke there

i honestly don't get it

if you know we aren't in beta and you tell me in beta, where's the joke?
you should rather say the game didn't come out fully fletched or something instead

[low prawn]

Thats literally the joke my dude. The fact that this entire cycle is a beta.

And to be perfectly honest, quite true.

The game shouldn't have gone 1.0, because it definitely was not ready

Communities been jokingly calling cycle 1 a beta since day one 😂 where you been

[hollow plank]

haven't heard it a single time

but i know that there are a lot problems

no endgame, skill rubberbanding, ward overtuned etc.

[low prawn]

wards not really overtuned

[hollow plank]

it is

[low prawn]

certyain itneractions with ward are

no.

[hollow plank]

it is

[low prawn]

Ward itself is fine.

[hollow plank]

nope

[low prawn]

Specific interactions are not.

Plenty of builds that cap out at around 10k ward. and thats not gonna do you very much

there are a handful of specific interactions that turbo buff / stack it

those need a looking at.

Ward itself doesnt.

[hollow plank]

ye look into every single interaction with ward

[low prawn]

No, just certain ones that enable turbo stack

most interactions with it are fine

[hollow plank]

everything that generates ward is at some point better than if you go hp only

[low prawn]

Not really? you can be perma immune to all damage wityh a dodge buil;d.

There's a mage in the server that literally cannot be hit.

that is more overtuned than ward.

[hollow plank]

how does that help against dots

[low prawn]

but nobody looks at it, because they expect it to be crap

[low prawn]

It literally allows you to dodge the crap that applies dots 😂

[hollow plank]

well you can't dodge a dot puddle3

[low prawn]

you dont just magically have a dot applied to you

[hollow plank]

because it's not a hit

[low prawn]

thatd be where end comes into play, or... just not being dumb and not standing in the pools...

wheres that old meme...

about deaths cause dps refused to move out of an aoe...

[hollow plank]

how does that guy with dodge doesn't get hit if dodge is capped at 80% tho?

[low prawn]

rng + DR pretty much. even if they do get hit, it does nothing

only thing even remotely capable of killing builds like that is stupidity, and crits

[hollow plank]

well so he literally is getting 1 shot every 5ish attacks or what

because that would be the rng

[low prawn]

no, thatd be probability.

[hollow plank]

you said he can't get hit

but he obv can

[low prawn]

rng means you have an 80% chance to not be hit, and a 20% chance to be hit. this does not mean you are actually getting hit every 1/5 attacks because that aint how rng works

[hollow plank]

ye and that means he will get hit

for sure

[low prawn]

who fkn cares? my point stands.

[hollow plank]

your point was he can't get hit

but he can get hit

[low prawn]

because he rarely fkn does get hit, and when he does, it does nothing.

[hollow plank]

20% isn't rarely

[low prawn]

... homie

again.

That isnt how rng works

[hollow plank]

if there are hundreds of attacks over 1 echo

[low prawn]

Im done

[hollow plank]

he would need to stack armour, hp and endurance on top

or he goes ward on top

[hollow plank]

i mean this is straight up wrong

you could call it a hyperbola of some sort, but he will die all the time on even 300 corruption if he only focuses on that crappy a55 dodge

[solid prawn]

Pretty sure that dodge build will get one shot at +1.5k arena wave, if it even can get there

Unless its stacking DR

[hollow plank]

my thoughts but was thinking more about monos than arena, but let's see what they change for 1.2 to stop the crazy corruption climb and all these crazy builds that get to arena wave 1k+

[wraith skiff]

i went circle of fortune when i played this game because apparently the trade interface is lacking a bit?

makes me realize that having a market to trade on is what makes this type of game relevant to me haha

next season i believe i'll try merchants

are they improving the market?

is it possible to trade your way up to the stuff you need? (by that i mean.. what's a path to trade your way up, what sells well?)

[solid prawn]

yup they confirmed that search functions will be improved thankfully

[solid prawn]

u can (t) resell things u already bought

[fresh plover]

Cant

[solid prawn]

have a nice loot filter with the meta items and sell those, farm lightless or soulfire, variety of ways to go about it

[solid prawn]

my bad typo

[fresh plover]

Missed out on free high lp items for any non meta build cause of lacking interface 😦

[pine sonnet]

sad 😦

[distant fable]

https://i.imgur.com/HjwWsmG.png

Just droped, how much is worth this crap?

[wraith skiff]

Yeah I see. Good tools are essential

[hollow plank]

about the maximum you can ask for

but people are still buying in mg? didn't most switch to cof anyways? 😂

[distant fable]

Hmm idk, 0 listed 1lp red rings in MG, dont exist.

[hollow plank]

what do you mean you don't know

it tells you the ring is rare

it's a red ring the most rare item in the game tied with ravenous voids

it even has 1lp and it's an absolute meta chase item

someone surely will buy it for 1.5b gold, but i'm not to sure if selling is the right option because you might not get another one so quckly yourself if you need it, and gold this cycle is worthless anyways + it will transfer to legacy that most people won't play. It's your call what to do with it

[distant fable]

hmm understand

im sad from 4/5 -4 att roll

i may listed u and keep it just like that...in other case...slamming it its like...gamba for 1.5b gold

LOL

to hit t7 lets say int / dex etc

universal ring for sure...

[potent jetty]

are you selling any rares/exalted? how do you understand what price should you list for?

[fresh plover]

i doubt anyone who has 1.5 b is still playing the game

[hollow plank]

ye i doubt that too, and if they have 1.5b + are playing the game, they likely got a couple red rings on them

[scenic pier]

can someone translate LE gold amounts into POE currency

eg a chaos, divine, mirror etc

is a billion an insane amount or not really

[fresh plover]

billion is something that doesnt exist in poe

since you can not realisitcally obtain that without gold hacks/bots hyperinflating economy

[timber wing]

Just got a 2LP Frostbite shackle drop! cheapest on the bazaar is 84mil.... are people actually paying that much??? what can I expect to realistically get for this thing?

[scenic pier]

so what is the equivalent amount, considering a mirror + 200 divine gets you the best items in the game, what's the cost of the equivalent in LE

[hollow plank]

1.5b is like a mirror honestly, because you can get every item that is up for sale, as 1.5b is the max amount you can sell an item for

mg (merchants guild) economy will change tho, rn it's screwed and not sure what next cycle will happen to it, I mean we get a fresh new economy but some crazy chase items should still cost hundreds of millions of gold, a couple weeks into the cycle

[scenic pier]

do you think they will allow items to be resold?

[hollow plank]

would be cool if they re-enable it, but I don't think they will

[scenic pier]

Pain. Hopefully they improve the general interface, searching of items etc at least, simple QoL stuff that shouldn't be controversial. one centralised vendor the whole market too would be nice. I'd prefer selling direct from stash too but doubt that'd happen, which is fair

[novel geyser]

no, at least in the near future

[scenic pier]

@novel geyser 🥲

[novel geyser]

if you want to get some kind of a feel for the LE's economy i think you can use rune of ascendency as a currency

because except for specific boss drop, the rarity of every items in the game can be translated intoa number of RoA

for example a red ring roll chance from a RoA is about 0.17%, so a red ring is equal around 600 RoA

red ring has around 6% to roll 1LP(2+LP chance is very low so i dont count it in), so a 1LP red ring should worth around 10000 RoA

you can do the same thing with boss drop, but use average echoes per drop as a currency instead of RoA

[hollow plank]

you can't really translate rune of ascendance into something that would be similar to poes currency.
First of all rune of ascendance only has a very limited amount of useful items and also a small loot table (exluding boss drops).
Secondly you can't even trade runes or glyphs, so it doesn't even make sense to take RoA as a currency.

[novel geyser]

i never said anything about POE currency. Where did you get this from
and "except for specific boss drop" - can you read this ???

i'm just putting out a base for ppl to estimate an item's relative worth

because obviously the only real currency of the game atm is gold

[hollow plank]

well you did tell him to get a feeling for the LE economy after he asked for a translation from gold into poe currency.
And you said RoA, which doesn't make sense, even if he is only supposed to get a feeling for the economy

the economy is gold, literally only gold and very good items,nothing else

[novel geyser]

🤷🏽‍♂️

whatever man

[hollow plank]

it's distracting people imo, if you tell someone to take RoA as a base currency or think about it like that it doesn't make sense

you could take RoA as a currency and calculate its worth, but you can't really do that in singeplayer economy, it simply is something completely different, cof has no economy (not a realistically working one) and mg has gold, that's literally it

[potent jetty]

are they planning on changing how MG works? maybe adding filters, price checking is really impossible

[fresh plover]

what do you find hard to price check? 😕

for exalts its easy just search for same tier of t6-t7 that you have, and you can add like 20-50% more price if you have gg base and a free prefix slot or smth, for lp items its even easier

[scenic pier]

The search needs to be as good as POE

That’s the standard

[blissful edge]

How's POE compared to LE ?
Is it also rng based system for equipment ?

[scenic pier]

@blissful edge there is RNG involved in crafting but numerous methods to maximise your odds, protect your item at certain stages of the process etc

[blissful edge]

Alright thanks

[low prawn]

POE is literally built off a fan made system 😂

It was even worse than this games market for a LOOOOOOOONG time

[scenic pier]

Doesn't matter, the system as of today is better, I have zero care for who made it, inspired it and if it was previously bad

[low prawn]

I g we just get to compare a system with 12 + years of improvements to one thats only existed for 5 months

Makes zero sense

Whats in LE is significantly better than what PoE started with.

Period.

[scenic pier]

If you want to advertise trading as a fundamental part of your game, trading needs to function well. Very basic concept. LE has been in development for a very long time too, it's not a new game. Just because they artibtarily decided to release 1.0 when the game was still semi complete

[low prawn]

Trading does function well tho.

And the MG literally did not exist pre 1.0.

so stop.

[scenic pier]

LE charged $30 for 5 years, POE was funded by a $10 beta and MTX. Time has also progressed about 12 years, standards change.

[scenic pier]

Never said it did exist, it was the marquee feature of 1.0, it should work well. The search is garbage

[low prawn]

Its infinitely better than PoE was.

and it needs minor changes and fixes

and its literally better than what 90% of game markets are.

[scenic pier]

It's not, it's extremely amateur.

[low prawn]

Okay bud. PoEs trading system was dogshit for years before it got a fan site for trading, which PoE made an official thing.

Into the box with you.

[peak niche]

I've never played PoE, but the merchant guild functions fine, sure it could use improvements and I'd much rather have an "auto seller" feature because it's tedious to set your own price for everything, but after a week of getting used to it, it's fine

And it certainly beats the CoF system for getting what you want or need for your character

[ancient loom]

I am still trying to figure out the worth of different pieces. The prices seem to be all over the place. Like how can I earn that many millions for a upgrade? If i put a loot filter from maxroll (Torment Warlock Merchant's Guild Filter) a body armor marked in red or something will occasionally drop. Does that mean it's good to sell or craft?

Also I always seem to brick my items I try to craft. Almost every time I try to remove something it will remove the very stat I would like to keep 😦

[split wave]

Well, I don't know anything about their filter, but the most efficient way to make money is selling stuff you find.
Definitely never use a removal rune for crafting unless it's the only way to improve. It's better for salvaging. Use chaos glyphs usually, and despair glyphs on 4 affix purple items if the mod you want removed is really low tier.

[steel skiff]

Anyone has a jade amulet with T6 physical damage and would like to sell?
I'm rank 5 only so I can't buy anything... All of them require rank 7...

The highest price I can give is 680,000

[split wave]

If you can't buy it on the bazaar, you can't buy it through direct trade, either - they have the same rank restrictions

[steel skiff]

Wait, the requirement of rank is decided by the system nor do it manually by players?

[peak niche]

Once you get to tier 7 in the merchant's guild, you can buy any exalted items, what tier are you? I'm actually just about to put up a jade amulet on the bazaar

There are a whole bunch of T6 amulets for $0 though

[steel skiff]

Alright...So I suppose to level up my rank by cof at first

I'd thought the limit from rank is setted by players but I never think it's EHG's idea

[split wave]

No, it has nothing to do with CF. The rank and favor costs are all completely dependent on the item. If it was player driven everyone would just set both to 0.

You can see when you unlock the ability to buy certain item types in the faction window.

[steel skiff]

More interesting and confusing lol

[glass stone]

Is merchant guild fixed these days? Or still exploits and crazy prices?

[orchid zealot]

game's dead so

not gonna find much on MG

[winter kraken]

well MG is still good for starting uniques, not so much for LP items. This late in the cycle not getting many new items on the MG, but still plent on there

[jaunty nymph]

When someone says the current market (cycle) is inflated due to exploit, just how much % are we talking about here? 5% more? 10, 20% maybe 25% more than what the items should be? Assuming those items are the meta builds

Related to Legacy, how's the market going on over there compared to Cycle1? What is everyone's expectations about Legacy's market once Cycle1 merges with it?

[river kernel]

No one can answer that for certain. But pages of 1.5b gold items were sold during the gold dupe exposed day, injecting trillions of golds into the economy and most aren't removed with the dupe bans, because most have gone to people who sold their items 'legitimately'. To be fair the trading in MG has always be more about 'value for value' due to lack of gold sink and the inflation is not as big of a deal as it looks. Gold you earn without trading has always been irrelevant even without the dupe fiasco.

[winter kraken]

unless you dump the gold into that dungeon for more chests

[fresh plover]

people dont play now so its hard to sell items

[fresh plover]

nobody cares about legacy market i think

its just a dump for leftovers

inflation after dupe was around 20-100x prices

it calmed down when a lot of people stopped playing

[peak niche]

I'm still playing and selling stuff, I get about 20 sales a day, usually averaging about $5 mill, so all those $1.5B things are way out of my reach since I joined MG after the ban and fix

[warm peak]

It's more like trading one for one. If you find some good gear, they also sell for a billion, and then you can buy whatever. Inflation just made it difficult to trade up from mediocre gear to good stuff.

[blazing sentinel]

Talking about that, I want to try MG next cycle since everything will reset but what are the chances of getting an over inflated market again, even if I know it was the gold dupe bug that made prices get to that

[peak niche]

It's really not something you need to worry about, the market functions very well as is

[split wave]

The market was going to inflate to matter what they way they designed it. There will be some changes though, so it's hard to say.

[blazing sentinel]

Changes as far as the upcoming patch? Or just changes in the economy

[split wave]

In the upcoming patch - they haven't revealed what changes exactly yet

[hearty mantle]

Whalers be Whalin

[mystic bear]

idk trading in this game feels so cheap to me compared to getting the gear on ur own. If i save the billions for a piece if gear it will 100% feel less good when using it compared to if it drops and i use it but thats me

[mystic atlas]

3LP exsang used to be 270m go check the price now 🙂

[tiny spire]

for the new cycle will your rank in the merchant guild get reset?

[novel geyser]

everything is fresh in new cycle

[vagrant onyx]

but since theres no difference between legacy and cycle realm in terms of exclusive content, i would play legacy

[upper kraken]

will do the same

[split wave]

Exclusive content, maybe not, but the economy will definitely be different in some way

[fresh plover]

legacy market

[urban panther]

It'll either be a straight up sandbox where everything is almost free or everything will be expensive af, honestly i feel like the prior is what's gonna happen since unlike poe there's no need to use a trillion of a crafting material (currency) to make a literally perfect item

[fresh plover]

i dont think itll be even alive much

[urban panther]

that's also fair

[fresh plover]

nobody gonna bother posting their cycle leftovers on legacy market in 2 days before next cycle+gold dupe

[urban panther]

true

[split wave]

It'll just completely depend on how many people decide to play legacy MG, and it'll probably still live and die by the cycle schedule

[novel geyser]

??

[autumn arch]

is there a recommended market loot filter?

[upper kraken]

here !enjoy !

[autumn arch]

thanks, seems nothing has been updated since March

[upper kraken]

yeah coz nothing change since launch..but if u want to sell high value in mg just make a lootfilter for t7 exalts and double t6 popular affixes and skills and craft/sell them

[peak shale]

why would someone ever buy this thing that got put to goldcap by mistake

i assume he missclicked without reading price while i double ctrl V the price in to end at goldcap

[novel geyser]

glitched gold

🤷🏽‍♂️

[cloud geyser]

sup! Is there anything new about trade mechanics in upcoming league? Dropped last one because of bad bazaar qol and unability to resell bought items. Are there some changes?

[peak shale]

I assume you will still have ruthless (0) drops as merchant guild user so the market will be dry as hell on the exalted department 😄 I’m not sure if they touch merchants guild much and I’m thinking about going merchant first 2 days and then drop to CoF for the first time day3 when I got better experience rates to just lvl that up quickly

Would help a lot if you could even scan by rolls or safe your searches or anything that helps reducing searching for 3 items from 1 hour to 5 minutes

I was looking for good rolled items for so many uncountable hours and there was no way to speed it up scanning 28 pages of the same item and searching for 90% good rolled mods

[cloud geyser]

and I would love to see something like awakenedpoetrade mechanic to instantly pricecheck item

[peak shale]

Any way to on the fly scan if it’s useful at all would help understand exalteds … I made all my money by blues and rares since exalteds anyway didn’t sell outside of the 10gg ones I found

And I know again if I want to play merchants guild and have pseudo unlimited buying power the first 2 days of the league I have to optimize my blues and rare filter and ignore having no real drops as merchant ^^

Biggest letdown to me was that I can’t sell legendary items so it was just buying buying buying buying and sell junk meanwhile to afford that

Same as at 1k + corruption there are still 0 good drops as merchant 😄

[novel geyser]

nah

the market was actually very good when ppl still active playing

you can almost find anything except maybe stuff like 2xt7 on rare prefixes

the glitched gold pretty much destroyed the entire MG market

ppl either stopped selling highend stuff(due to capped gold price)

or stopped playing altogether

[peak shale]

It had some flavor but getting a t7 helmet mod took me 4 days 😄 that was fun but the scarcity is extreme especially if you want some of the less played builds stuff

[novel geyser]

that's very extreme

unless you want some specific combination of affixes other than the t7 it shouldn't be that hard

[peak shale]

I wanted to buy an 4legy trash belt but 4 mil was to high for me so I went to sleep and next day 90mil the worst rolled ones 😄 that was the day I quit since also the other upgrades 10-50xed in price for some reason

[novel geyser]

very likely that was the day the glitched got surfaced

[peak shale]

Curse damage or cooldown while being transformed was an extreme example that took very long to get … curse because warlock meta and werebear because of the low playrate of the class and people dropping those mods 😄

[peak shale]

Could be ye

[novel geyser]

well there's your explanation

meta build demands

[ashen rain]

Oh ... is 1.5 billion really the gold cap ?

[split wave]

For a bazaar transaction, yes. You can hold up to the max value of a signed integer (~2B)

[crude hamlet]

Anything higher than 2,147,483,647 will overflow and cause errors and wraps back around to 0

Wonder why not use unsigned where the lowest value is 0 and in this game you don't go in debt and the max is 4.29B

[split wave]

I don't think they ever intended people to get anywhere close to 2B gold

[upper kraken]

so the max gold the inventory can hold is 2.1b? im curious btw, im cof

[split wave]

Yeah

[shut niche]

Is there any point choosing MG faction if I'm starting a new character now ? (other characters are all HC CoF)

not sure how bad the economy is with the duping and stuff. can I still get a baseline version of uniques (0LP) to make the builds function or do even those cost millions ?

[hollow plank]

people barely play the game at this point, no point going mg now

but ye, you can get still get 0LP items for sure on mg

[upper kraken]

since cycle 2 is 2weeks away from now, just equip ur char with 0lps...theres no point in farming favor/gold to buy items on mg and thats the same on cof too..cof requires more alot of farming time...if i were u ill just come back when cycle2 comes and make a char on cycle...esp if ur still not started ranking up ur mg or cof...the game is not worht it to play this time til cycle 2 imo.

[warm peak]

Almost all 0lp items are 0 gold. You can get whatever you want to trial lots of different builds quickly. MG is good for that.

[shut niche]

thanks! that's what I was wondering

[west rose]

How hard is it to get to lvl 8 mg?

I cant find any of the rare drops on my FG

Also what's the fastest way

[warm peak]

Easy. Just get HH and go to climb corruption in monoliths.

[west rose]

Hh?

[urban panther]

Healing hands

[obtuse pendant]

Any thoughts on how 1.1 with cycle chars moving to legacy will shake out? I’ve only played legacy server. Is the cycle economy still flush with billions of gold?

[verbal plume]

I believe the cycle starts anew, with no characters, thus no inventories, and no golds?

Everything gets moved to Legacy afterall

[obtuse pendant]

Yeah i mean the impact on legacy. If all the cycle chars are moved over, along with their billions of gold, legacy will feel it for sure

[verbal plume]

most certainly

But then, legacy has all the pre 1.0 gold in there as well

[rapid garnet]

hey does the bazaar still require lvling it up to unlock being able to buy

uniques?

[short jetty]

yes

[rapid garnet]

ah... i will back back a few months later hopefully it changes anyways thx for the info dude

[short jetty]

its couple days of playing

anyw nothing to do

so smart move

[peak shale]

how did you guys filter loot for idols ? the filter i adapted on had like 30-40 rules on idols only 😄 and thatsa bit harsh to put in other valuable rules

[gusty sparrow]

hey, "bazaar is temporarily disabled", is everyone have this error?

[mighty kite]

Yes

#news message

[peak shale]

Can’t even open the bazaar or my offline merchants guild character

[fervent comet]

@gusty sparrow just turned it back on 🙂

@peak shale

it was down for maint per the news post

[peak shale]

Was just Memeing about my offline char that joined merchants guild

[fervent comet]

ya no worries 🙂

just letting you all know its back online now

[queen veldt]

Anyone selling the scurry helm? I cant get it til lvl 8 bazaar

[peak shale]

dont you need the appropriate rank to buy it from players ?

[queen veldt]

lvl 3 says i can buy from other players, maybe im misreading it

[split wave]

If you don't have the rank to buy on bazaar, you don't have the rank to buy it.
Sounds like you just need to filter it to only show uniques with no LP which you should meet the rank to buy.

[mighty sun]

Did they make changes to the bazaar?

[peak shale]

yes those will be anounced soon but it will take a bit more time to " fix all issues " so we get some improvements and can give feedback from the new experience in 1.1

[warm peak]

Try the ones without any LP. You should be able to buy.

[peak niche]

No changes to the bazzar yet that I'm aware of

[fervent comet]

The downtime was to move the Bazaar to a new database in prep for Bazaar work coming during 1.1 (not at release of 1.1)
we're going to do a big overhaul on the affix searching, but 1.1 content took the higher priority of dev time

but the new DB puts as in a SUPER favorable spot for the work to come 🙂

No promises but I hope we'll end up implementing stuff like "I wasn Tier 5 Affix A, Tier 7 affix B, and any 2 of these 10 other affixes... oh and I also want them to all be 80%+ rolled in their tier ranges"

MG/game economy is my jam 🙂 and I won't stop advocating for improvements for it 🙂

[peak niche]

We should sticky that info so that everyone in merchant guild gets excited about the changes to come. I'm glad to hear it!

[covert breach]

Thanks Muffin! I can't explain how awful it felt trying to find a high rolled double health idol in the current system. But I'm sure you know that. I just mention it because it is/was the single biggest issue imo

[peak niche]

For me it's selling stuff, I really hope something new will help speed that up, I love merchant's guild but selling stuff feels like a chore so often.

[covert breach]

I'm hopeful (with a side of copium) that they can roll out the changes Muffin just mentioned within the first 3-4 weeks of the cycle. Otherwise, it'll feel too little too late as that'll be pushing the time when MG won't matter as much anymore.

[peak shale]

This is correct merchants guild is just active the first 2 weeks of a cycle then the item stock starts draining

I just assume many changes will be pushed to 1.2 and the late 1.1 changes will come when most active people left into new Poe Diablo seasons and stuff or swapped to cof already for mid/late cycle

So it’s either happening at the start of 1.1 to be useful or they can relax and put it live in 1.2

I guess there’s no rush on that since people will cry more when a rushed system gets in that doesn’t properly work

From my perspective there are 3 big problems in mg and that’s finding your item in 1420 pages of results, selling multiple stashes of items in less then 10 hours on the bazaar and third starting uneven due to Tuesday cycle start that doesn’t allow you to „compete on the market“ early invests are very time gated in price and availability while casuals cannot even buy that grade of item yet .. while cof can care less about start date since they are only removed from the competitive races if they work a job or have other business during the week

And fixing all 3 topics will take multiple cycles

It’s still one of the best markets I have seen in games just by item design and lp crafting while it is also enjoyable to just shop around everyday and see if your dream exalt item exists today 😄 or you find some fancy wierd stuff to craft and build around

[novel geyser]

and no flipping

😁

[peak shale]

Flipping is good and bad but I would say it is in general bad for the majority of players so it’s fine that it does not exist here

I was happy to pay the flippers an extra cut in Poe always so I don’t have to whisper 100 players 😄 but an good auction house also removes those needs completely

Reselling exalteds would help some parts of the market to not be empty

[hot cave]

whats the best way to lvl up fast this?

fast lvl 10 (ik it might not be fast but yk)

[peak shale]

You don’t waste too much time getting your perfect blessings you just get a semi decent one in each and then push corruption on 1 timeline only and push that one until you hit your rank 😄 after that you can hop around to finish other business

Blood and frost timeline as a pretty weak boss so that one can be easy to do or just whichever one you like

It will take forever in 100 corruption so jumping around a lot doesn’t help to get that stuff up

[peak niche]

Sweet 🙂

[peak niche]

Do we lose our gold when the new season starts?

[peak shale]

everything ofc

all start at 0 in the new cycle and i suppose you have the rest of your gold in legacy offline mode ? but that shouldnt matter when the market is always the fresh economy

[peak niche]

That seems odd to me since gold is account specific. Can anyone confirm? I've never played a seasonal game before

[vestal gate]

Gold you get in this cycle will not carry over to the next cycle. Nothing carries over from cycle to cycle, they are fresh starts.

[peak niche]

Where are you all getting this information from?

[peak shale]

It never would make sense in any game to keep anything in a cycle league model ? Why would it it would ruin everything the only way to afford anything would be going to goldsellers the inflation would go to unmanageable levels and the market will be filled with so many million of trash items exponentially increasing over time

[peak niche]

That wasn't the question

[peak shale]

Have you ever seen or heard of any game that keeps progress after wipes/cycle starts ?

If you know keep me updated I wanna know what happens on such economy’s and descisions in a game

[vestal gate]

EHG

[peak niche]

Where?!

[peak shale]

I don’t have information from them about this topic but you did describe a dead game and this is a successful and healthy game ^^ so no unfair advantages for anyone on cycle starts

[vestal gate]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[signal leaf]

yes but you Can play legacy and keep eavrything. only diffrent gona be the Big boss aint there from start

[peak shale]

You mean on the first day 😄

[pale shell]

Seasons/cycle/leagues in arpgs means a fresh start on any account it whippes characters,stash,gains etc. It has always been like this

[peak shale]

talking about boss dying on second day

[pale shell]

It prevents some bad things happening to game like bots and stuff and that probable the best part of it

Ohh I was replying to gold wipe sorry

Wrong reply

[peak shale]

there seem to be many new players that realy dont understand cycles and why its bad if you keep your gold ( since you will never be the richest while shady business exists in the background ^^)

day1 of cycle start with people keeping gold yay 1billion gold for the item i want how shall i ever afford that

but yes cycles are great and are the reason why many many men come back when it happens to compete in a fresh economy

[pale shell]

Yup that's a out it to sum it

[fervent schooner]

Let’s hope there isn’t game breaking builds ruining ladder, and being nerfed, this go around.

[peak shale]

ye i rather compete with evenly nerfed small pp builds

[fervent schooner]

I can cope at night knowing I beat the non nerfed builds on ladder kek

[covert breach]

Your character moves over to the "Legacy" realm when a fresh cycle starts. It retains its gold but cannot be played on the new seasonal server. You'll need to start a new character to engage with the cycle mechanics, but you can always just continue playing on your Legacy character if having early access to new content isn't a huge point of contention for you.

[fervent comet]

for 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 - there are no "cycle only" mechanics

just FYI 🙂

[kindred idol]

bro its just how seasons work???? Everything from this season goes to legacy, a new season starts, you start from level 1 all overagain, if this is not appealing, play offline or legacy

there is no where what you're asking for will be directly posted, its common knowledge

[inland smelt]

bros never played an arpg?

[peak shale]

The reactions are more about him not trusting any players that say it’s an economical reset / wipe

[inland smelt]

thats just even more wild

[peak niche]

I was simply looking for a clear answer, which I got from the devs and not from any of you, thanks. Just because other arpgs did something didn't mean LE would do the same thing. I just wanted to make sure before I went on a spending spree these last few days. And it does make sense given the gold duplication / inflation issue they had

[vestal gate]

Huh? I linked you directly where Mike said it lol.

[peak niche]

@vestal gate I appreciated that, but that didn't say anything about the gold for a player's account, which was the question I asked.

[peak niche]

I just placed two 3 LP -6 mana jelkhor's daggers in the bazaar if anyone is looking for good ones.

[upper kraken]

how much each? im curious coz -6mana is very rare..

[peak niche]

$200m

[shy pond]

how much would this be worth? it came as a 24

[upper kraken]

wow thats equivalent to 4lp rarity imo..but i ddnt see any build using this ring...still pretty good find

[long burrow]

Any shop to buy game gear?

[frozen jetty]

how long does it take to farm a 2LP legenadry that only from boss drops? If it takes forever i may switch to CoF idk

[peak niche]

Oh it could take months to get a 2 LP boss item, but CoF just means you have to farm it yourself, in merchants you can buy it from someone else. I've got almost 900 hours into the game and I've only ever seen one 2 LP Logi's Hunger drop and that's the mono that I grind the most

[peak shale]

ye looks like a 1 in 200 so with medicore rng you still need to drop 500 of those to see a 2lp one

[solid otter]

anyboy else not feeling the MG changes

rank 12 reward is useless imo

[peak shale]

There are no changes

[sacred thicket]

Culnivars Claim LP2, whats it worth?

[solid otter]

effectively, true

they staggered out and reordered the rewards

with the two extra levels