feedback-discussion

[regal hazel]

i think you should have gotten your answer when you suggested a trans character for pridemonth lol

[queen jungle]

@torpid galleon you’re probably trolling but in the off chance you’re not, we already have LGBT in Hunt

Lulu is a Lesbian

[torpid galleon]

We need trans

[hot vigil]

Well, any Hunter can be trans if you want to 🙂

While I get the sentiment for wanting such, I also don't like companies commercialize LGTB representation, so it is not something I want Crytek to add unless they actually put in the legwork for it.

[late wind]

@slender crane just burst with fanning/levering?

[zinc solstice]

@slender crane i hate to tell you this, but

that already exists

[slender crane]

burst with reduce firerate, replace levering mechanism with a hammer?

make it whacky as in some real psuedo modding of the gun

[zinc solstice]

i believe lever action rifles already have a hammer

[slender crane]

like the avtomat considering in reality its super whacky

if i see a mosin like that irl id wouldnt even know its a mosin

[wraith pecan]

Does anyone know this information?
How is the hunt mouse EDI calculated?
DPI 600, Mouse speed 46, What is EDPI?
My normal FOV is 100, what is the ADS FOV?

[zinc solstice]

i hate to tell you this

but it is irl

it isnt converted from a mosin, tho

its some canadian service rifle thingy that never got the greenlight for military use

[slender crane]

jesus christ

thats pretty sick

big ass rounds

i just want some sort of change in the mechanics of the game

something real whack

[zinc solstice]

it competed with replacing the lewis gun i think, either that or the it and the lewis were competing against eachother

[slender crane]

i was thinking of a whip the other day but no one liked that idea either

damn yeah thats a cool gun

[hot vigil]

While I get the desire for change, I don't think adding more rapid fire options to Hunt is healthy for the game.

[slender crane]

im sure some balancing to the mechanic can create an opportunity to add something unique to the game

idk

[hot vigil]

Again, whacky stuff would be cool, just not more rapid fire options.
Dualies is breaking the game enough as it is.

[slender crane]

i mean u can make the burst load slower like a 1.5s per burst. but i understand

getting spammed and hipfire headshot gets old quick

[hot vigil]

Yeah, that seems really deadly when only 1-2 bullets needs to connect for killing.

[slender crane]

high recoil and need practice maybe?

like pass 40 meters u really gotta get lucky or something

[hot vigil]

@spare pollen That is basically what the Pax is based on.

[spare pollen]

Yes, yes buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut. The 1851 looks cool, and actually uses balls. Idk, could be an option. We need more pistols in the game, and having unique ones would be amazing.

[hot vigil]

I think it is just smart to look how nerfed they needed to make the Avtomat to see how many restriction is needed for a weapon to be remotely balanced in this kind of game.
As the Dev said themselves about them struggling to balance the Dolch: it is simply just a modern gun existing in a game that usually doesn't have these kind of options and the nature of sending bullets down at a fast rate makes them leagues better.

[hot vigil]

Personally I don't like to add weapons for the sake of adding weapons, they need to serve an identity to the pool of weapons we already got.
Moreso, the Pax needs love more than we need other weapons :b

[slender crane]

i understand

[spare pollen]

Some guns need to serve worse then others, otherwise what's the point in having different guns when they'd all just practically be the same. Giving love to guns that aren't performing better then others are performing worse for a reason.

[hot vigil]

I -think- a double barrel hunting rifle (medium ammo) might be a healthier solution, tho I can see how that is deadly too.

[slender crane]

oh yeah thatd be really cool. yeah but i just thought since its a "whacky modded" gun the devs can be more creative with how they want to balance the gun

double barrel springfield? LOL

[hot vigil]

There is a difference between serving a niche and being flat out better or worse.
Think making sure every gun have an identity is important. Like Bornheim ain't top pick, but it have an identity for be a rather precise fast peashooter.
Moreso I'll argue that adding more guns would further blur out the identity of the current pool of guns. Like how the New Army just is a worse Officer, not adding much to the pool of weapons, but sure ereases the identity of the Officer.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, that is why I'm very weary with that thought :b
Well, whacky can be other prerimiters than fire rate, would be cool to see some "monster slaying" weapons.

[slender crane]

i just believe that with creativity the devs can make some really unique gameplay, and even counter meta options in someway by bringing the lower tier guns more versatile; even if they have to go outside the box of reality they built around the arsenal

[spare pollen]

The New Army is a two shot compared to the Officer at the cost of bullet velocity. It's a definite pick for people who want to shoot fast and kill quick, but don't want or have the hunt dollars for the c96/ Dolch. Or doesn't have the trait points for quarter master to take on a shotgun for up close encounters. Their balancing is so far not too bad. Obviously there needs to be some balancing like the machete which is overwhelmingly only used for starters.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, would be cool with some cool "set up weapons", like something that launches a cloud that makes you cough like choke bomb, but it is flammable and the weapon also comes with a dragonbreath shot.

[slender crane]

yeah exactlyyyyyyyyyyy, i find utility would be a good way to counter with the "strong" weapons in hunt

the custom ammo could be more versatile rather than adding to the strength of the gun

[hot vigil]

The Officer is also a two shot.
It is literally just a worse Officer.

[hot vigil]

Big agree, Slugs were a mistake, they are mostly just straight upgrades.

[zinc solstice]

simply replace your idea with the savage navy revolver or the dragoon/walker

[slender crane]

yeah LOL every gun feels like ones weaker than that one and one stronger than the other one

[zinc solstice]

and then just add "conversion" to the name

[slender crane]

thats why i think the bow and crossbow variants are so cool

i mean more like the convertina arrow and shotbolt LOL

[spare pollen]

Both look cool

[zinc solstice]

walker and dragoon are basically the same as the navy, the savage navy is a little different tho

[hot vigil]

Think there is some good trade off with most of the special ammo, add bleed or burning, removes pen or Penny Shot is bigger damage per. pellet, but more random spread.
But then you just have Slugs and HV bullets that feels like a straight upgrade.

[cursive lava]

@split swift imagine what it’s like for those of us on Asian servers having to deal with players from certain countries that have to use VPNs therefore ping abuse, as well as using highly obvious cheats

We need a South East Asia server

[slender crane]

imagine even more stuff like smoke small flash

[hot vigil]

Well, they can start by removing recoil from dragonsbreath, like that doesn't makes a like of sense.

[zinc solstice]

flash bullets when???

id love to make myself invincible

[hot vigil]

Noise bullets

[zinc solstice]

thats just a bullet

[slender crane]

LOL

make it creative

fuck it

[hot vigil]

Noiser bullets

[zinc solstice]

also there are chaos bolts

[slender crane]

like we have a flash bomb that shit makes no sense back then

[zinc solstice]

thats a noise projectile

[hot vigil]

exactly!

[zinc solstice]

nono, the sculptor made them

so its ok

[slender crane]

LOL really

thats insane haha

[zinc solstice]

no

im just BSin you

[slender crane]

oh bruh

still tho u dont think creativity would serve well in a game like that

[zinc solstice]

flashbombs are just them going a little past their realistic equipment territory

for the worst

[slender crane]

nah i like flash bomb

the fact u can hear them is real nice

[zinc solstice]

i like flashbombs when theyre used on people who arent me

[hot vigil]

I don't mind flashbombs as a concept, but the implementation in this game makes me >:c

[zinc solstice]

hearing them doesnt help cause if it just hits within 10m and youre not behind cover you _will get 10 second blindness

[hot vigil]

eyup

get outplayed :))))))

[zinc solstice]

idk if its 10s, but its long enough for someone to walk at you and slap you death

tbh if they just made it take longer to ready and made it more audible from a distance, that'd make it better for me

[slender crane]

yeah is pretty op at times LOL

maybe less blind time more concussion-y effects??

[hot vigil]

wouldn't mind it be akin to the CS flashbang, flash, but it is more the frozen picture that distorts.

[zinc solstice]

it should just not 10s blind if it lands behind you

should be the shorter effect

[slender crane]

yeah still tho im just suggesting that creativity can go far if the devs do decide to take that path

[hot vigil]

Think a lot of people play Hunt for the "grounded" nature of the game

[zinc solstice]

problem is that creativity goes stale quick in the competitive scene

there will always be a better option that makes the user less prone to malding, thus making it even more enticing

chaos bolts exist, nobody uses them

[hot vigil]

Chaos Bolts is not used bc they make chaos bomb sounds, which is easy to identify as false.

Same with Starlight Shells, I would use on my Romero if: I got more than 4, the didn't last for like 30 seconds and weren't loud as shotgun shots.

[slender crane]

i dont think creativity goes stale quick in a game if all players have the option to acquire that tool

like cs go where everyone can access almost all of the options on both side

[zinc solstice]

i see people use the same group of guns in csgo everytime

[hot vigil]

Not sure what "creativity" means in this context.

[zinc solstice]

like theres no reason to not try to grind to awp since corner camping at point with awp is the most optimal way to win

[slender crane]

like how both teams can buy smoke and flashes and all the other tools to make creative plays

and its fair in a way since both teams can buy it

if all players can access the tools available then i think the creativity can fair well in a gaming environment without having the competition be boring

[zinc solstice]

they can

just takes time

[jovial flint]

@cursive lava
True
China should have their own server,
It’s so hard to find fellow SEA players that I can communicate with during matches as most CN players don’t even bother to check if you speak Mandarin Chinese

[fluid locust]

Yeah I think if it was more like a stun grenade it'd be better. I'd straight up rather have the op ass stuns from warzone than the bullshit we have now.

Maybe more like concussion mines/nades from siege would work better or something idk

Even if it slows your movement I'd prefer that over completely defenseless forever

I mean realistically they could do that if they wanted. Just change it to a different look of being poisoned where your screen is tunnel visioned and then give you the tinnitus effect from shooting too much

[floral vapor]

The flash is definitely way too long , but concussion sounds like it would be awful

Even at the absolute edge of the flash's effective range you lose vision for 2 seconds if it's on your screen

Doesn't sound like much but that's a lot

[unborn smelt]

2 sec are only a lot if you fuck up bigtime or arecaught totally offguard

Because whoever threw the flash needs to make it to you in time to take advantage. Thatd easy if the flashed target is stationary, but of they have a good reachtion or good map knowlege they can move away totally blinded until the flash wears off

[vague patio]

the worst thing you could do as a flashed target is not move

[cursive lava]

There are also other implications for separating servers. Cheating for example.

[unborn smelt]

Flashes undoubtedly are good - but they do have ecounterplay.
But that counterplay is all about anticipation, and fastreactions

[radiant river]

counterplay is just having a teammate save you while you spaz your mouse around

theres no counterplay to getting hit if the opponent knows how to use them

unless youre going to never push within range, but that doesnt really count

[floral vapor]

Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian

@silk summit Hey the game is presently not designed around leaning, it's the same issue with having left handed viewmodels

It's not that it would never be added, though I'd prefer if it weren't, but that even if it were it'd require a lot of design and balance work to make sure it A: Doesn't break anything, B: Isn't easily abuseable, and C: Doesn't cause any unexpected angles players shouldn't be able to shoot from.

[unborn smelt]

No.
Thats how you survive flashes.
They dont limit mobility for a reason - you're free to navigate from memory or give your best shot at randomly wighle to be harder to hit

[queen jungle]

The devs have stated im the past that they actively decided against movement options such as leaning or going prone to force more direct encounters.

[floral vapor]

good

that makes me happy

[unborn smelt]

• try to anticipate the flash,if they play overly agressive for no reason a flash is likely.

• if you let them this close, you can either try and get an obstacle between you and where you think the flash will hit. You can push them very agressively so the impact detonation hits either none or both of you because youre so close, you can even try to hide altho thats unlikely to work.

• once you get flashed you can navigate by memory or if you reacted fast enough you got 0.5 to 1sec to memotize your surrounding and plan an escape once flashed.
  If you know theyre a melee user you can go for blind melee swings at the direction of footsteps or shoot the direction of footsteps.
  Those ladt ones have a rather low chance of success but they're also your last ditch effort after all previous options

[clever prawn]

In addition to this,

Flashes have a very very distinctive sound, jump through windows, run straight back or maybe even push to kill as they will either flash them self with you or throw it over you and you can surprise kill them.

Alot of hunters are not prepared to be pushed aggressively after they throw something

[floral vapor]

In higher level lobbies you can take advantage of people trying to capitalize on a throw by tossing it just at the corner of where they would peak out and backing up, then aiming down sights

If they push they get turned into chunky salsa, if they don't then congrats, you've stalled a push

[clever prawn]

also works

theres alot you can do against flash bombs

ppl just dont wanna know

white screen op

if youre in the area of a flashbomb and somebody throws concertina ur instantly dead

so flash not op lmao

[floral vapor]

@warm zephyr I don't think the pax is gas sealed, might want to specify m odified gas-sealed variant

People are gonna REEE at you if you don't

[warm zephyr]

why gas sealed

might not be very lore friendly tho. isn’t gas seal very rare?

[floral vapor]

Because long ammo in a revolver without a gas seal will actually burn your arms through your heavy coat

That's a BIG bullet to have hot gas and powder shredding your arm with

Also, we have a load of silenced guns, silencers weren't formally recognized as being invented until 1905 in Germany, and popularized by an individual in the US from a mechanic shop, I believe in 1916. He was a mechanic and saw how mufflers worked and thought "Why can't we do that with guns too?"

Hunt definitely has some alt-history going on, and the AHA modifying their guns is already something we see a lot of with the silencers and talons

Not unreasonable to believe they could modify a revolver so that it doesn't shred your arm like a hot dog when used as a carbine

Also, a long barrel on a revolver adds very little if the cylinder gap is present, at that point it's just to keep recoil marginally easier to handle

[warm zephyr]

this actually…. well the uppercut seems to work ok

i would think the haymaker uses necked down uppercut cartridges

[floral vapor]

You were suggesting a carbine, yeah?

[warm zephyr]

no, a revolver.

pistol i mean

[floral vapor]

Ah

I see

[warm zephyr]

was it unclear from my wording?

[floral vapor]

In that case nevermind. I was u der the impression you wanted a necked down uppercut carbine

Nah I just misunderstood

You’re all good

[warm zephyr]

may work as a carbine tho

my thought process was that pax with a long barrel probably isn’t what the pax needs, instead it just needs hv ammo

if you want to have a long barrel pax, might as well make it a uppercut competitor

[tribal wyvern]

@obtuse rock
Like the idea of tieing the game & show together, but perhaps not have dead char as zombies, a bit spoiling.

[floral vapor]

I don't love the idea of a Hunt show, I feel like it's gonna be another classic "video game show that everybody retcons from the lore"

Is it animated or live action?

I'd be more open to it if it wee animated, usually animated adaptations put a lot more thought and care into it because every frame has to be painstakingly handcrafted, live actions can be shat out in 8 months (like the halo show)

Think for example, Castlevania vs Halo

[wind stream]

@surreal mirage you mean 3 bosses on one map?

[surreal mirage]

Yes

[steady prism]

was that even a tthing?

[wind stream]

no

it was never a thing

[surreal mirage]

Well how come in my stats page i have a stat for 3 bounty tokens extracted?

[steady prism]

bounty tokens

[surreal mirage]

I've done it 4 times

[steady prism]

that means your team return with 3 bounties

[surreal mirage]

If it was bounty token specific then there would be a stat for 4 tokens

but there isnt

[steady prism]

i see

mby bug then?

[surreal mirage]

I havent seen 3 bountys in so long it doesnt surprise me nobody even remembers its a thing

[wind stream]

there is a stat for that

[steady prism]

i thought so

cuz afaik there were only 2 bosses at launch

[wind stream]

you are right

[steady prism]

so u couldnt have 3 aat the saame time

i ve seen some pictures from hunt wwith cei-rigotti

tho

[surreal mirage]

I guess I'm remembering things then. I could have swore i remember 3, and my buddies do too but its possible that it was just because of me suggesting it was a thing

[wind stream]

our brains are weird 😆

[steady prism]

u were there at the early stages of development?

[wind stream]

I was not

[steady prism]

oh

cuz ive heard that hunt wwas supposed to be much more ambitious

[wind stream]

hunt was supposed to be an entirely different game

[steady prism]

ye

[wind stream]

you can find some horros of the gilded age stuff

Im glad they went with the PvP experience we got

[steady prism]

is there some kind of materials about what and how it was supposed to look like?

[wind stream]

I dont think so

[steady prism]

😦

[wind stream]

just some E3 glimpses at horros iirc

[steady prism]

oh i see

[wind stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxdDovzO1g&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=IGN

[steady prism]

i was kinda hoping that someone would still have any old documentation or media like concept art...

[wind stream]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Hunt:_Horrors_of_the_Gilded_Age#Track_Evil_Together

this is all I know of

[steady prism]

oh i see

this is very interesting and thats exacttly what i wanted to know about 😄

i wonder what happened with this... since it looks pretty well polished

[wind stream]

afaik it turned into remnant from the ashes

[steady prism]

i see

i dontt really like third person games

[wind stream]

same

[steady prism]

butt it looks quite well done imho

[wind stream]

rockstar games are some of the few I enjoyed

I tolerated it in the witcher

[steady prism]

like... im also glad that they switched towards what we have in hunt now

but theres also a LOT of things i like about this video...

for example animations are simply amazing compared to whats in hunt now

[tawny meadow]

@surreal mirage 3 bounties was never a thing. Maximum is 2 bounties.

[wind stream]

#feedback-discussion message

too slow

[tawny meadow]

!jumbo

[floral vapor]

@slow valve I am genuinely not sure what your suggestion is supposed to mean

You mean like a hidden extract kinda like dead by daylight's hatches?

[slow valve]

Like in qwicplay restock dont show up on map unles u find them and see them

Same withe 1 extract , but when bounty is taken then everybody can see it on the map even if they didn't directly saw it

And the 3 other extract still work as normal

@floral vapor

[keen bolt]

@floral vapor I like the Idea but kinda random ngl

[floral vapor]

Wym random?

[keen bolt]

Randomly generated

Meaning not all player know about it

Some team might actually gets an advantage for that xd

[floral vapor]

Yeah it's not supposed to be something people can rely on

Just a random event that occasionally appears

[keen bolt]

I mean it's still a good idea

[floral vapor]

We need more "random server event" type things

[keen bolt]

True

It's stale af rn lol

[rigid basalt]

@keen bolt i think in terms of looks its to close to a nagant cause it literaly is a nagant with a swingput cylinder interms of how it handls i would out it as a nagant swift instead

[floral vapor]

Hunt never gets old for me, but some neat things to spice up the usual would be welcome

[keen bolt]

Well it's a Piper Carbine system and this one is all about range

Not the spammy kind

[rigid basalt]

i know but most people would jsut see a speedy nagant in there

[keen bolt]

Hmmm tbh it wasn't the first thing I want people to look at 😅

So I failed at that I suppose

[floral vapor]

It really does look like the nagant, I thought it was a suggestion for a nagant skin when I saw the gold inlayed reference image

[keen bolt]

Well tbh I would delete and repost with the side picture

But that would be a Repost

Sadly

And that's reportable

[rigid basalt]

yup me too but rhen i realised itbwas the steya it was produced about 70km from my home

[keen bolt]

Yup!

Imma repost

[floral vapor]

There's definitely some leeway if you do it shortly after posting to edit details

I've never gotten reported or talked to about mods for pulling a post down to re-work it

[keen bolt]

Since it didn't accumulate any significant like or dislike I hope people don't say I'm like fishing now lol

[floral vapor]

I think that mostly means when you keep posting the same suggestion

Or pull one down after it's too far up for most people to find

[keen bolt]

I see

[floral vapor]

Do you see, banana man?

Hopping over on the white hot sand?

Here he come, with some for me, freshly taken from banana tree

Alright I'm good, just had to get it out of my system

[keen bolt]

Lollll

[floral vapor]

Idk if you've heard of it, Banana Man by Tally Hall. My all-time favorite song, but the music video is cursed

[keen bolt]

Man

I'll have to watch it now

[floral vapor]

The utter confusion, horror, and intrigue that come from watching the music video for the first time is pretty fun

[keen bolt]

Yup

Weird af

Vibe tho

[floral vapor]

It's a dope song, I've listened to it probably thousands of times and it's a bop every time

[warm zephyr]

@keen bolt i think the stats should be on par with the nagant

[frosty garnet]

@low valve, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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[floral vapor]

@low valve Hey it's
Title:

Description:

Example: is optional

[keen bolt]

But....Why

I make it a ranged revolver xd

[floral vapor]

@warm zephyr Then it's just another nagant

Do we really need another nagant variant?

[floral vapor]

@warm zephyr You can remove the thing about burning your hands, I was under the impression that you were referring to a carbine, but the MV thing holds true, long barrels on revolvers don't do a whole lot without a gas seal system. Granted, long barrels still help a bit without one, just not very much

[chilly marlin]

have they silently increased nighttime and fog odds? they definitely don't feel like a 4% anymore

[floral vapor]

It's possible, I've been getting more in the last couple days

[jagged wagon]

Played a full days worth hunt yesterday and in total had more night and fog maps than dusk or one of the day times. Could have just been bad luck, but I still believe there should be an option to opt out of night in particular, it’s not kind on older straining eyes.

[floral vapor]

Bad luck? I love night maps

@low jolt Wtf ew

Who asks to be scammed

[low jolt]

they are walking a terrible path, i'm trying to move the monetization away from things i care about.

[floral vapor]

You don't fix a problem by creating another problem

Gameplay BB purchases are indeed bullshit, but a subscription fee would be awful

[warm zephyr]

Unless I'm mistaken... Its just a better nagant?

[floral vapor]

It's basically a scam, pay monthly to not own any of the hunters

[warm zephyr]

@low jolt ....

No please

Don't encourage it

[low jolt]

pay monthly to not worry about which you have and which you don't. kind of like gamepasses and such

[floral vapor]

Right that's kinda the problem though

It's a gamepass model in a game I paid money for, and it doesn't allow me to own any of those skins, it would be cheaper just to get them on sale in the long run

So say if I stopped paying the sub fee, and wanted to buy some hunters, then I had wasted a bunch of money

[warm zephyr]

Keep game passes out of this game

[low jolt]

i'm thinking of having both models. allow people to purchase whatever skins they want, and for the casual give the option to have them all

[warm zephyr]

NO

You'll just open the floodgates to more subscriptions

[floral vapor]

NO

The sub would be a noob trap, waste of money

[little carbon]

What skins should that entail? All of them. Or just DLC + BB Skins?

[floral vapor]

It's also a fucking gamepass model in a game I paid $40 for

[keen bolt]

It's 50 rpm

Not the 120

[warm zephyr]

It's better than the base nagant in every way

[floral vapor]

Idk there's a couple obselete revolvers, nagant base is one of them

Not that there should be, but it's how it goes

[warm zephyr]

For a compact it's pretty strong

[floral vapor]

We don't need another straight upgrade revolver

It's not bad, but the officer is just objectively better

Recoil on relatively slow firing weapons doesn't mean much

Even the double actions are pretty easy to control

[keen bolt]

This one is basically 50 rpm compact revolver

Which isn't really fast

If we're comparing it to other double actions

[floral vapor]

If it's double action with 50RPM it has equivalent firing speed to a lot of the single-actions

[keen bolt]

Yup!

And it has the damage to boot

At 105

[floral vapor]

Then why not make it a single action

[keen bolt]

With good velocity

And huge ammo pool

[floral vapor]

Double actions function similarly to semi-autos, as fast as you can pull the trigger back is how fast you can shoot it

may as well be a single-action

Maybe if it was a really heavy trigger

[tame trellis]

Nice game with stupid cheaters and those devs don't do shit. Headshot trough the wall

[keen bolt]

Basically it has VERY heavy one

[floral vapor]

Wallbangs aren't super uncommon, were you sitting still and/or making noise?

[keen bolt]

Due to gas seal and giving it too much rpm would overshadow a lot of revolvers

[tame trellis]

Nope, i don't do any noise.

[floral vapor]

If it's got a ridiculously heavy trigger it wouldn't be much of a luxry revolver, and it would make your aim unstable

[floral vapor]

So you didn't switch weapons, turn quickly, activate darksight or anything of that nature?

[tame trellis]

Just sitting still and he gave me headshot trough the wall.

Nope

[floral vapor]

Would be more helpful if you had a vid

BTW, devs don't deal with banning cheaters, EAC does. EAC is pretty efficient, but there will always be people who don't get caught immediately

[little carbon]

Did you change your aim state. ADS, Shoulder aim, etc?

[floral vapor]

Report them through the last match screen, find their name in team details

[keen bolt]

Then how much would be okay

The rpm I mean

[floral vapor]

Bottom column on the play screen, far right side

[keen bolt]

I mean since it's very possible to have a swift

[tame trellis]

I report him. But there are a lot of fking cheaters in this game. Or abusing glitches

[floral vapor]

Honestly you probably need to rework it from the ground up, it's also got a startlingly similar profile to the Nagant, would be confusing

[floral vapor]

There really aren't that many fam, I see a cheater maybe once every couple days, often longer

[little carbon]

There are actually not a lot of cheaters. Most accusations made in this discord about cheating can be explained by good plays

[floral vapor]

I do think a wallbang headshot if you weren't making any noise is a bit weird, especially if they weren't around to hear you. Crouch walking DOES make noise, though

But if you had been sitting there before you were in earshot it's definitely questionable

[keen bolt]

Changed a bit

[keen bolt]

Changed a bit there

[little carbon]

Again, if he changed aimstate, that can be heard. If the enemy had bounty it was easy. If they had friends in coms they might have seen them from the side and called it out. Might have also heard him approach before and then not leave, therefore shot by memory. It being a headshot instead of a bodyshot can just be attributed to luck. One in many wallbang hits is just gonna be a headshot

[floral vapor]

I mean, maybe, but in general when making suggestions give "estimates" or just a general overview (I.E, low handling, high damage, high ammo count, so on so forth) when you give specific stat metrics it opens the door for nitpicking

[floral vapor]

Yeah we don't have enough info

[low jolt]

took me a while to understand what you are asking. just dlc + bb. not including events and twitch drops

[floral vapor]

@low jolt General rule of thumb, if you can hear it, so can the enemies, even something as small as shouldering a gun or ADSing with it

[keen bolt]

True that but I'm a statistics guy when it comes to weapon ideas XD

[floral vapor]

Oops

Wrong ping

Sorry pickle

[floral vapor]

General rule of thumb, if you can hear something so can your enemies, even something as small as turning too quickly or changing aimstates (lowered to shouldered, shouldered to lowered, shouldered to aiming etc etc)

[warm zephyr]

If it's a heavy da trigger... More of a reason to make it sa

[keen bolt]

Especially I had to state it since it's so similar to nagant in terms of appearance i mean it's 1893 and nagant 95 so guess who got 'inspired'😂

[warm zephyr]

Hi, i play in asia server and i disagree with you

[little carbon]

That might be, cant say a lot about the asian servers. Dont play there, rarely see clips from there

[warm zephyr]

You'd be surprised that a lot of cheaters are using soft hacks

[keen bolt]

+1😂

[floral vapor]

Cheating is seen as a bit of a passtime in some countries. Dell sells laptops with free copies of some games in Korea and pre-installed with cheats for those games

And I believe in China as well, but I don't know for sure on that one

[keen bolt]

And got called a ping abuser when play in other server lol

[floral vapor]

Ping abuse may as well not be existent. Whatever peekers advantage it could give you is offset hundredfold by the disadvantages

[keen bolt]

Yeah some people don't care

[low jolt]

it's not enough for the ping to not object, the ping needs to enthusiastically cooperate

[keen bolt]

And just left a 'meaningful comment about race' on the profile

[floral vapor]

Sure you get to peek people a tiny bit before they see you, but then you can't end that peek swiftly, people see you for longer, trade windows become much, MUCH larger, and your shots may just not register at all

Not to mention rubberbanding

At the point where your ping is high enough to give you milliseconds of peeker's advantage you're at a huge disadvantage

[keen bolt]

China has 'must win' mentality that's why cheating is not frowned upon there

Win by any means necessary

[floral vapor]

Idk why Korea has those laptops, honestly. I don't think the culture is quite the same there

[keen bolt]

Same in Korea just look at 'cram schools there'

[floral vapor]

Ah

[keen bolt]

They really get 1 shot at life

Teacher can even slap pupil if they are failing

[floral vapor]

In Rust it was just a meme in the community that cheating zergs were comprised of mostly koreans, because often times the big 20-50 person clan (AKA zergs) that had a cheater that'd just keep coming back after being banned all had korean names and profiles

[keen bolt]

I still have 'disciplinary' scar for that

[floral vapor]

Damn bro

Sorry to hear that

US schools are pretty bad but there's no physical abuse like that except in isolated incidents

[keen bolt]

Yeah

Well tbh if anything getting a bad grade means I'm dead

[warm zephyr]

@queen jungle i think what we need is rework of using the melee of those 2 pistols

Instead of a band aid solution

Or its just an option

Double melee pistols get unique animation

[pure quest]

@elfin citrus wow, that is the most dedicated kd farming story I've ever heard, I'm impressed. But why farm kd if you hide your stats?! 😅
But I dont think this has any solution though. Getting in a lobby together is quite easy, just be in a chat group together and have a countdown when to ready up.
Did you consider they weren't in a team, but just farming kd so always letting a dude revive, knowing they have you pinned down anyway 🤷‍♂️

[floral vapor]

@sonic goblet Hey man can you add the proper reactions to my recent suggestion? The bot missed it and the channel is on slowmode

nvm cooldown is about to expire

@queen jungle Thanks bro

[primal grove]

@surreal mirage I've been playing for about 2 years now and have never seen a 3 bounty map. did these used to be thing? it sounds amazing.

[vague patio]

no

[round maple]

The third bounty is hunter kills. The more the merrier.

On the real though dualies, trading, SBMM have all been contributors to killing this game. So many people I used to have fun playing with just no long even boot up. Big sad.

Crytek sold out to the masses and casual crowd who puts in 20 hours complains and quits.

[sharp veldt]

There is no 3 bounty maps. There are just 1 bounty and 2 bounty targets possible right now 🙂

[rain spruce]

its really hilarious seeing the same QoL blatantly easy updates they could make to the game suggested in the "suggestion-ideas" tab, that just get fully ignored. shit that gets brought up constantly, that would be easy to implement, but never does.

[rain spruce]

it's funny cause I don't know if you are complaining about dualies being nerfed and sucking a lot now, or dualies being OP 🤔

dualies definitely are not OP anymore, hardly any are good now. dual conversation fmj is all that's left and it still pales to pre-nerf the same gun, or pre nerf dual pax

i agree hard. trading is awful for a long time, and SBMM complaints is a fight you'll never win. it helps noob player retention in all games. unfortunately it's here to stay, and hunts sucks a lot

[radiant river]

I haven't seen a single person using dualies since the nerf let alone died to them

[hot vigil]

what rank and servers do you play on? Bc I wanna be there too

[little carbon]

Dualies are not that good, especially after the nerf.
Trading is not a problem. Removing the current trading system would just hurt people with high ping unfairly. (Who are still at a disadvantage, since, if they didn't have high ping, the fight would have resulted in only them getting a kill).
From Person experience, playing with high ping sucks. I'm usually at below 20, but I had to play with around 90 for a few days after moving, and it really was a worse experience.
Lastly SBMM had improved matches massively. Before it was implemented it often felt like you would get matched against less skilled players way too often once you are at a certain skill level.

Lastly, while it might apply to your crowd, i don't think veterans are generally leaving. In my experience, most veterans i talk to are relatively happy with the games recent updates

[radiant river]

5 star USE. But there's spitzer snipers there instead.

Also before trading was a thing people complained about dying to people they shot on their screen

[little carbon]

6 Europe you rarely see dualies

Like maybe one per lobby

[radiant river]

When you consider similar games like tarkov don't have any sbmm hunts is pretty good

Even though there's ELO and ranks this game isn't very competitive

[little carbon]

It's definitely more competitive then Tarkov, just by the fact that Tarkov is way more gear/grind based then skill based. Hunt is mostly skill, gear doesn't matter a lot

[hot vigil]

Ah so trading dualies for long ammo sweat.

[rain spruce]

dolche precision is better than any dualie right now. in most situations id rather have an officer or a spitfire than dualies

[floral vapor]

I don’t see them very often. They really aren’t any worse than fanning

Functionally extremely similar to fanning but with more rounds and without the potential to fight mid range in ADS

[digital nacelle]

it was a token nerf

barely did anything

dualies are still super strong

if people aren't using them, hey, more free kills for me

[round maple]

Yall have to be kidding about the dualies nerf right? It was a nerf to accuracy while crouching ONLY. YOu can still ads them and you can still headshot people easily from 40 meters with dual conversions. They have almost 3 times the fire rate of a normal pistol....

[queen jungle]

@karmic pulsar Please add a more detailed description to your suggestion to people know what exactly it is you are suggesting.

[karmic pulsar]

idk i think its pretty obvious no?

game has an unfair matchmaking system

[queen jungle]

It's not really obvious. Also, please keep the suggestion rules in mind:

No troll/low effort ideas are allowed. Please add as much detail as possible to your idea within the channel text limit.

[wind stream]

in what way?

[karmic pulsar]

players get put in servers with people much much higher ranks than them

[wind stream]

can you elaborate?

[karmic pulsar]

lol

funny

[little carbon]

MMR is relatively fair. Remember that stars =/= bracket

[karmic pulsar]

how is it fair though? when you have prestige 10s in lobbies with prestige 0s

[wind stream]

!elo

[marsh garden]

Blogpost about matchmaking from 1.5.1: https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/update-on-matchmaking-improvements
QnA about 1.5.1 changes: https://youtu.be/Xt3ZeTBCMCI
Video about 1.6 star system and team details screen: https://youtu.be/JGF2VPQXfSw
Report unfair matchmaking here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/3191364956938130750/

[wind stream]

if you want some info on how it works

[karmic pulsar]

ok thanks

[little carbon]

Prestige is not a rank. It means nothing in the context of player skill. You can get efficiently to p100 by avoiding pvp. Or you can just never prestige, since it's not necessary at all

[karmic pulsar]

but it means experience no?

[sharp veldt]

Not really. There are people with 1000 hours that are prestige 0, or people with 3000 hours that are prestige 10. Prestige is basically meaningless after you reach that first rank 100

[little carbon]

Not really, one of the most efficient methods of gaining prestige for example is to play in low player count regions at off hours to just farm bounties on empty servers. You get playtime and prestige but no experience.
SBMM works in the way that every player has a (somewhat hidden) skill rating. Depending on their performance that rating is adjusted.

[austere maple]

it doesnt matter how many times u will prestige

[karmic pulsar]

Ok

[digital nacelle]

ikr?

[rain spruce]

that's far from the only nerf they got. swapping to them has increased sway, and they also have much more recoil per shot. dualies were nerfed significantly, which is why you don't see them EVERYWHERE like you used to

[digital nacelle]

sway doesn’t really matter at all on dual wielding…recoil difference is minimal. they’re not common because people think they’re significantly worse but that’s really not the case

[elfin citrus]

@pure quest it'd be incredibly easy to tell that they are doing this on purpose. The lack of communication over voip, the bee-lining towards each other, the coordinated loadouts, being the only 6-stars in a 4-star lobby. But even if they didn't know each other and actually used voip to make a deal about farming me and the other random, that's still toxic gameplay, since the two of us don't know these people and didn't agree to be farmed.. there isn't really a way to explain it away. They also were literally walking up and and huddling around my body when my teammate went for a 2nd revive on me, one of them walked up and meleed me, and then I caught a glimpse of my teammate once again starting a revive with the other team huddling around my body before exiting. Like I said, I left as soon as I knew what they were doing, but I saw enough. Keep in mind that the farmer on my team was a 6-star, and not just some panicked insta-reviver. But yeah it wasn't just getting farmed, and I should have made that clear- they were literally turning it into a coordinated process, without any voip communication between parties. It's worth this much effort complaining about because this is a literal group of people actively ruining lobbies, rather than one isolated hacker that you might never run into. This has to stop, and it's possible that knowledge of this happening will send a message to crytek about the way leaderboards negatively impact the game's meta, which is something most prominent members of the community have been aware of for a long time.

If someone at crytek saw any game where these guys did this, the solution would be a ban, plain and simple lol. It's not a grey area in the rules by any means. You aren't actually supposed to queue up with intention to team, and systematically farming randoms is pretty obviously a bannable offense.

For future reference- the "hide stats" option can be turned off and on.

[pure quest]

My suggestion would be, leaderboards and kda stats on people. Just last it be visible for you alone

[frosty garnet]

@dense lake, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

any plans to lower the amount of legendary hunters that come with bow related perks? that 1 item gets a perk slot for almost every legendary i buy even tho its the least used```

[rain spruce]

You can move the goal posts, but dualies were nerfed multiple times. and all those nerfs do have an effect, especially at range (the range where dualies are continuously complained about). you saying the nerfs have no real effect is no different than me just saying that dualies are completely worthless now - aka we are arguing a difference of opinion. I had been using dualies in the majority of my loadouts since they were released, the dual pax especially so. in my opinion, the nerfs made a huge impact, and i pretty much no longer use dualies as a result. i still use them often enough in quickplay, and I can feel the nerfs, it's not a jedi mind trick

[digital nacelle]

unless you're literally using them as a primary weapon beyond 50m there's no need to crouch and they're fine

[lucid vigil]

Is there any possability to disable the keybind/console prompts? "Press F/X to open a door" for example!?

If not, it would be nice if you could deactivate them or at least set the transparency. I personally don't like the colour indications, e.g. "F" or even worse "xbox prompts" (cause fat and ugly).

[rain spruce]

was talking about the other two nerfs. unless you are point blank, dualies are way less accurate than before. sure you can spam away and get a lucky headshot, but i can 2 shot you with a spitfire or officer much quicker, and more accurately. if you are close enough that the dualies are an advantage over those 2 weapons, you are close enough that now shotguns and slugs will be your undoing. dualies used to be versatile and accurate, now they just spammy and hope for the best

[digital nacelle]

I definitely disagree

[pure quest]

If you space out your shots, they're still quite accurate up to 30-40m. But basically like any light/medium rifle when you just stand still and space out your shots

[rain spruce]

hence my other point, we are arguing opinions. i feel they were nerfed a lot and no longer a very strong pick, you feel the opposite 🤷

you also disagree with dualies being objectively less used as a sign that they are in fact nerfed a lot - soooo yeah, nobody is gonna convince the other

[round maple]

I still see dualies every match I don't know where you are getting your evidence from but they are still widely used. And yes you can still quite easily two / three tap someone within 50 meters

[radiant river]

what elo

[frosty garnet]

@fair veldt, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62vxhfgA9Ko gimme these fire rates.```

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[digital nacelle]

as someone in mid 5, I also see them quite often - maybe not every game but at least every other game

[steep echo]

#game-ideas message
Dolch vs new army in a one v one wins
the new army is a good gun but no where comparable to the dolch
The fmjs turn the muzzle velo down to 200 mps
The dolch has 440 mps and 50 more rate of fire than the new army
@late wind

[rain spruce]

I'm not saying you don't see dualies, but you see it much less than pre nerf

which speaks to a shift in meta, and a reduction in weapon strength etc. etc.

i still see and use crossbow at 5-6 star elos - that doesn't mean it's meta or a super strong pick.

[hot vigil]

Still see dualies and still, dying to dualies feels bad to me.
Its a weapon (loadout) that just leans into luck too much.

[late wind]

Obviously the dolch is better 1v1, but not by nearly enough to justify its 750$ pricetag. And in terms of RoF sure it might shoot faster on paper, but when you take its insane recoil and sway into account, you can land the same amount of aimed, accurate fire faster with the new army due to its near lack of recoil.

And in pistol range, where the two are competing, 200ms is just as easy to land hits with as 440. Plus again, you could buy like 7 new army pistols plus FMJ ammo for the price of one dolch.

So if you give most people the choice between two special ammo pistols; one that's 750$, with a slow reload, needing bulletgrubber, and near uncontrollable, versus a 130$(iirc) pistol with a faster reload, and basically no recoil or sway, I think most people will choose the later. For farily obvious reasons.

[steep echo]

sounds like you have a skill issue with aiming

[late wind]

Wait. A six shot, 200m/s gun in pistol range is bad to you... And you're saying my aim is bad?

Jesus. Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

I mean, every metric the game collects/records disagrees but go on I guess.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Find inner peace then, whatever.

[floral vapor]

I mean you can try but you definitely won’t be able to avoid pvp for 100 ranks

[hot vigil]

True, but beyond the initial 50-100h prestige means nothing.

[floral vapor]

Yeah once you hit prestige 10 there’s no reason to keep doing it unless you enjoy going through progression again

I’ll never understand the people saying Hunt is “becoming more like CoD”.

They’re making a lot of weapons like dualies HARDER to use

[spice topaz]

They were still introduced. 100 steps towards pew pew, ten back

[hot vigil]

Simply by adding: Bornheim, Specter, Dualies, New Army & Slate.

Literally, the Devs said: People are complaining about the spammy nature about C&K and Dolch, so we've added Bornheim and Specter.

[floral vapor]

Shrug

I haven't ever had much of an issue with them, they're mostly balanced

Dolch's maybe not as much

[hot vigil]

It is more than balance, it is the feel and experience of the game man! :b
Personally I think Hunt was fun when we didn't have those options (besides C&K and Dolch, which were too good and should have been removed even back then) + we didn't have scopes.

[floral vapor]

I don't really think their mere existence takes away from the game, if you don't like how they feel, don't use em. I rarely see them in game, and when I do, I usually beat them.

[hot vigil]

I don't use them, but frankly it does affect my game when someone just jumps in with Clown & Kings me or Dualie spams me.
Bc it doesn't feel like my opponent and I was playing the same game.

[floral vapor]

Crown and King is really similar to Terminus levering, I assume you also have an issue with that? Dualies have been in the game for a long time, and have been adjusted repeatedly, right now they're basically just fanning with a larger capacity

[hot vigil]

I would say so yeah.
And just because things have been in the game for a long time, doesn't makes it less of a valid target for criticism.

[floral vapor]

I think ultimately this is a matter of opinion, there's only a select few individuals still complaining about them , most people have no issues with them being in game, especially as they rarely come up

I don't think they're any more overpowered or much different at all to fanning, and fanning can often actually be better

So, let's agree to disagree, because arguing in circles gets us nowhere fast.

[sick anvil]

How far back was it that the game did not have scopes

[hot vigil]

Like I wouldn't mind all these weapons if there existed two queues where I can choose to play a more deliberate and methodical game.
I will even go so far and agree that these weapons ain't breaking the game, but they do take away what made Hunt special. And we keep seeing the pool of rapid fire options getting added.

[floral vapor]

Levering and fanning have been in the game from very early, even before scopes, and you haven't mentioned either of those

It seems like you're cherry-picking

[hot vigil]

First: That was really early in the early access. Can't remember exact date.

[sick anvil]

Well Levering and fanning definitely had its fair share of hate upon introduction but DW overshadows them both because of high rof still strong accuracy and double the ammo

[hot vigil]

Second: @floral vapor

• You arguing with "only few people" and "a lot of people", I would refrain from as we don't have anything to back those claims up with.
• On the subject of Fanning/Levering, yes I haven't mentioned those yet, but mostly because they are usually tied to compact weapons (ofc you can effectively fan with Pax, but that would be the only thing going on for that gun at this point), but more so, they have a perk investment to them.
  Levering got added later and I do think 3 perk points is dirt cheap for the volume of fire power it brings and wouldn't mind it being removed or at least increased in perk cost.

Heck I would even be more incline to accept dualies if they too were a 5 perk point buy-in.

[sick anvil]

DW needs to be reworked that it requires ADS to hit anything beyond 5 meters and by ads i mean one guns sights at a time

[floral vapor]

Yes, these arguments are pretty evident if you look at any suggestion in #game-ideas , or the subreddit, that get downvoted when complaining about these weapons

[hot vigil]

Just add bloom to the crosshair when shooting the dualies.

[floral vapor]

That's already how dualies work? Rapidly firing them is less accurate

[sick anvil]

The issue is rng

[hot vigil]

I can see that, but then the next question is if I trust people actually understanding game design.

[floral vapor]

The real question is why should we trust you?

[hot vigil]

That is factually wrong, dualies crosshair does not expand if you keep firing.

[hot vigil]

Well, I do have a background of 1.5 years of studying game design.
But not anything I would call impressive. But hopefully that is the point of this conversation we are having right now, I elaborate, explain and present viewpoints.

[floral vapor]

I've got a lifetime of it, doesn't make our opinions any more valid or invalid

[hot vigil]

I gives us understanding and insight.

Anyways, doesn't seem like anything of value gonna be added from this point on.

[floral vapor]

@spare pollen While I don't have the seething hatred some people do for the semi-autos, I don't think we need more of them

[spare pollen]

its a classic though, haters man. I getchu though, funny cause they added a double action revolver.

[floral vapor]

I'm not really a big supporter of those either

We've already got plenty of DAs and semi autos

Would rather they added more unique variants/experimental designs

[late wind]

@spare pollen Why ask for the Luger when the Borchardt C93 both existed at the time of the game and has a better guilded age vibe?

[unborn smelt]

Why not...

Luger is more popular, more iconic and being 9mm diffrent gameplay capabilities

[spare pollen]

That's why I suggested the 1851 Navy Revolver. Ball and cao

[spare pollen]

Iconic

[spare pollen]

Yes

[late wind]

The C93 just makes more sense. And it's way more unique/experimental. Which is something you've said you want more of.

[spare pollen]

I mean yah it could be. I don't have a problem. But I just prefer the luger 9mm.

[floral vapor]

Luger is more often associated with WW2 era, even though yes it was invented before WW1

I really don't think we need more semi-autos, we've already got 2+2 double actions, and 3 if you consider the avtomat even though it's full auto

[late wind]

I'm also like 90% confident that 9x19 luger is substantially more powerful than 7.63x25. So it being less powerful than the dolch doesn't make lot of sense. But someone would have to fact check that.

But while I want more interesting and cooky guns, I know both Crytek and this community will work tirelessly to ensure their meme status if they were to be added. So honestly it wouldn't be worth it to add, because nobody would use it.

[hot vigil]

Well, what version of the C98 is the Dolch based on? the 7.63x25?

[spare pollen]

Just a suggestion

[spare pollen]

You mean c96?

[hot vigil]

Derp, yes.

[spare pollen]

LMAO, all good

[hot vigil]

C96, it came in many variations. But I guess based on the initial medium ammo, it would be either 7.63x25mm Mauser or .45 ACP.

Okay upon closer inspection, it is most likely based on the 7.63x25mm model as they share same muzzle velocity of 440m/s.

[late wind]

Chinese Mausers were .45. Made during the boxer rebellion.

9mm is a straight walled cartridge.

By process of elimination that only leave us with 7.63x25mm. The bottlenecked cartridge plus not being Chinese pretty much confirms it.

[hot vigil]

The Luger used either 7.65x21mm Parabellum or 9x19mm Parabellum.
The stats of the 7.65x21mm Parabellum is: 370m/s with the energy of 412 J.
The stats for the 9x19mm Parabellum depends on which version it was.

Compared to the Mauser:

[late wind]

The people above said 9. So I went with that assumption. Instead of 7.65

[hot vigil]

Just weighing all the stats.
So bc if it were 7.65x21mm Parabellum it would be a clear "weaker shot" compare to the Dolch.
But by going 9x19mm, it can either be weaker, but also stronger.

[late wind]

Just by the fact that bascially every country on earth sans Spain, Russia, and China use 9mm luger, I'll hedge my bets and say it's a stronger/better cartridge than 7.63 Mauser.

Now if it's an orignal 7.65 luger then it could be argued as weaker...

But at that point, go with the Borchardt. Because that was the gun to use it first. And again, both fits the time and has a stronger Hunt vibe.

[hot vigil]

Whoops, lemme re-draft that one.

So what I'm saying, in real life many other factors why a gun is chosen. A guy shot with a weaker gun would usually still be out for the count after all.
In the case of the Luger, it was more accurate, lighter and reliable than the Mauser C96. But it did get upgraded to 9mm later bc they wanted more power to the shots.

[late wind]

At the behest of Americans at first. Then the rest of the world caught on. And 9x19 became the world standard for handguns.

Interesting side note, the reason for Americans demanded bigger and bigger cartridges stems from the fact that at the time the Army tested weapons on cattle corpses, not human cadavers like European nations.

So while yes, bigger/more potent cartridges aren't necessarily better, the philosophy at the time was that a bigger wound was outright more likely to kill, even if a vital organ wasn't struck.

But all those factors aside, the Luger is generally speaking, a better gun than the C96 Mauser. So making it a worse gun in Hunt not only wouldn't make sense historically, but it'd be bad gameplay wise. Because at that point it's just an even more expensive bornhien.

[hot vigil]

I can only agree with all that.

Also ew more semi-autos

[floral vapor]

I don't even have the same vitriolic hatred for them you do and I still think more semi autos is a bad idea

It's fine to have them as a minority of weapons, makes them unique from the rest of the roster, that definitely doesn't mean we should be pining to add more

[hot vigil]

Eyup, think the weapon pool is diversity is good right not, Pax could use some love and variations. Otherwise, new weapons should just be weird "monster hunting" weapons like the bomblance.

[late wind]

I'd actually be down with more semi autos. But why ever use them when DA revolvers are better? And the uppercut still exists...

[hot vigil]

DA?

[late wind]

The only thing that'll get people to put down the pocket rifle is the Titanfall smart pistol.

[late wind]

Double Action.

[hot vigil]

Ah yeah.
Well, still don't want more rapid fire options. There is plenty atm.

Especially bc it seems like the design space of making "fair" semi autos gets smaller and smaller, so either we get too strong or useless.

[late wind]

Strange that this design philosophy only seems to apply to semi auto pistols. Every other absurdly strong option in this game remains untouched.

Or gets a placebo nerf.

[hot vigil]

I mean, still think the long ammo syndicate is behind Semi-autos, using them as a scapegoat.

But -most- long ammo still gives a window to fire back if people miss. My issue with semi-auto options is that it can make bad plays into winnable ones.

[late wind]

You could make that same argument about dualies, slugs, frags, redskull, and a whole host of other stuff though.

While I agree the dolch was on the strong side, I don't think the idea of a semi auto is some game breaking thing.

[hot vigil]

I also have issue with duealie, slugs, and frags.

Redskull should just have some tweaking, just make it a long channel of 30 sec, like banishing the boss.

[late wind]

My bad. I just default assume people are defending OP stuff because they do.

[hot vigil]

Np, I should make a list of all the weapons/game mechanics I have issue with and pin it to my profile description at this point :b

[floral vapor]

Bomblance, hatchet, talons etc

[hot vigil]

Eyup.

[slim blade]

@humble knoll Two of the teams on your screenshot have skill-based matchmaking off - there is no scales icon next to their team's number. One team has the icon. Check your team for that icon? If it's not there, it's possible that you've experienced a pretty common bug (well, it's common on PC in any case): you start Hunt up and it disables SBMM on startup so your first match is with SBMM off (i.e. you can run into monsters like you did) and then the game just reactivates SBMM after the match, making people confused because it looks like it was on all along...
Solution: just make sure SBMM is on before your first match. Before every match, actually.

Now, it's also possible that you're playing in a region with low population or at a weird time of the day / night and there are too few people to match you with players of your skill... No solution to that.

[steady prism]

Luger discussion already ended?

[little carbon]

@late wind Hunt is neither tho and doesn't want to become either.
Hunt is something unique. Being a hardcore (in the sense of impact of player mistakes) shooter, while most of those tend to care about realism a lot, Hunt is primarily about balance, realism is only an aspect if it doesn't disrupt the games balance. The general importance of strategy and the amount of information you can gain by observing is also something you won't find in other games a lot.
Both of the crowds you describe are mostly people who see some aspect of Hunt that they like and are thinking that they would enjoy the game more if it were more like their favourite games. But rather then asking Hunt to change, it's better to accept it's identity and ask oneself whether you are playing the right game

[steady prism]

Lemme just add... That you ve just groupped R6 siege AND eft

Wtf is realistic about R6... Rn i cant think of more arcade game than that

I think that rn hunt offers good compromise between both sides... Most of the stuff that happens is well balanced and explained by unnatural theme of hunt (people shrugging of buckshot)

Its aesthetics are top notch and gunplay feels crisp and fun...

Its only disadvantages are
bad optimalization (friend has better gpu than me but its AMD and crashes 0-4 times per GAME)
Very basic mechanics and AI
And lack of content (it gets added in veeery slowly)

[unborn dagger]

No way is R6 realistic and especially when they add in stupid cross over skins like Yakuza of all things

[steady prism]

R6 is not playable for people older than 15ys old

It has nonexistent recoil and time to kill

[floral vapor]

Idk about that but it's definitely not fun

[steady prism]

So no boomer can realistically compete against methed out youngsters running around with kriss v that kills 30 people on one mag

[pure quest]

lack of content? ehhh its fine. It's just a very simple game in the battleground royale subgenre

[steady prism]

Its the definition of arcade to me

[pure quest]

'more content!' wont really improve this game

unless they add specific coop or singleplayer missions or something

[steady prism]

Well yes we have some hunters and even reasonable amount of weaponry... But mechanics behind those is lackluster... You actually dont have much options

[pure quest]

a new map would be fun though

its a shooter, guns shoot, thats about as deep as it gets

[steady prism]

Yes but you dont really have much ways to outsmart your oponent

[unborn dagger]

Ngl I really don't care for maps. I honestly want more bosses.

[pure quest]

like what, going prone? playing traps? using a camoflage tent

[steady prism]

You can either shoot him with pew, pew or shoot him with PEW or throw a frag bomb in his general direction

[pure quest]

well you can flank, fake retreat, place traps

[floral vapor]

What

[steady prism]

Traps are good but thats the only way to fight with brains

[pure quest]

its honestly no different than any other shooter i've played

[floral vapor]

Are we even playing the same video game

[steady prism]

I agree that most shooters are fine with just blast em lol... But those kinds of games are fast to stop bringing enjoyment

[pure quest]

i'm not sure what kind of extra depth you want though

[steady prism]

I like the bonkers stuff... Like bomb lance

[pure quest]

hunt has a little thrill, as its intense but slightly slower paced, or used to be. I'm not expecting any new mechanics though for 'depth', or what can reasonably be put in 😄

[steady prism]

Something that forces you to use the brains a lot... And hunt is the game that offers this more than standart shooters

[pure quest]

like what?

[steady prism]

Which is great

But lets add more!

[pure quest]

bomblance is a leeeroy jenkins weapon

what brainpower does that use 😄

[steady prism]

U think that

[pure quest]

or its crouching around a corner/bush waiting for someone to pass by

[steady prism]

But its hard to actually pull it out

[pure quest]

but i dont see that being relevant to 'adding depth/mechanics'

[steady prism]

• it brings satisfaction if you manage to score a kill with that

[pure quest]

i find it satisfying no matter what i kill with 😄

[steady prism]

I usually dont

[pure quest]

(it doesnt happen that often for me)

crossbow i think is the most satisfying for me 😄

[steady prism]

I just call minus and keep on going

[steady prism]

Ye something like crossbow

U get it boi

[pure quest]

well, not really since i still dont know what you're expecting in terms of more mechanics

[steady prism]

Something thats like oh shit i maced a guy with this!

[pure quest]

its still just gun/weapon variations

you want more meme-ish weapons? 🤔

[steady prism]

Ye also theres tool and consumables

[steady prism]

Something like that

Or something like caldwell chain

[pure quest]

well plenty suggestions going around usually

[steady prism]

Something thats fitting the aesthetics of hunt

When i first launched hunt i was like WOW

[pure quest]

I've suggested the doctor zombie as a weak heavy knife, that causes poison instead of a bleed effect, or a torch as melee weapon. Light people/zombies on fire with some blunt damage added

[steady prism]

It just looks so cool and evil and epic...

[pure quest]

in general, people will jus downvote anything memey anyway

[steady prism]

Ye that sounds cool af

[pure quest]

walking around with a torch, esp at night, "is too stupid anyway"

role-playing as a zombie sounds cool to me :d

[steady prism]

Nowadays i see just bad ai and people running same weapon over and over

Everyone tries to push hunt into this serious, hardcore pvp kind of game...

But look at eft

It offers so much cool mechanics... Be it building your gun or just handling it with all the misfires and different types of ammo...

Id like hunt to be a bit like that as well... Not exactly adding misfires and shit... But expand on variants... Expand on custom boolets... Expand on traits

Thats the stuff that gibes hunt its identity among other games

And all of it feels poorly done...

Like special ammo for example feels meh at best

Most of it is almost useless and the rest is compulsory... Like fmj on compact

Or slugs

[unborn smelt]

Well last time i touched eft ammo was also just take the best ammo available

[steady prism]

Sort of you are right...

[unborn smelt]

Altho admittedly that was quite long ago

[steady prism]

As soon as you reach certain status u just take the highest pen and lose money on every shot

But id like that expanded as well... In hunt

Rn theres just compact medium long buck and special

But if they make fir example special ammo unobtainable / limited

Or add a economy similar to eft

[unborn smelt]

I think hunt would greatly benefit of at least light customisation

[steady prism]

We have something that works but its just very basic and bcs if that its pretty unimportant to everyone

[steady prism]

Definitely

Id like ingame crafting system....

At least very basic one

So the houses would actually contain loot that you can pick and either sell or use to build scrap like gadgets

Something like that....

[unborn smelt]

I understand that they dont wanna enable stuff like sniper sparks silenced tho

[steady prism]

Rn hunt is JUST shooter

[steady prism]

Id be happy if you could equip and unequip variants

So you bzy a gun and fit it with a bayonet... Or scope... Or silencer

[unborn smelt]

But smth like visual customisations on guns would be cool - unlock new animations (for example consistent teeminator reload on terminus hc) diffrent ironsights if makes sense, or even smol trinkets showing stuff like earned over x kills

[steady prism]

Also id like bigger pool of variants... Maybe even combinations if them...

[unborn smelt]

Kind of like a prestige badge for yozr gun but visible

[steady prism]

Exactly nothing really gamechanging but it would allow you to play with your loadout more

Big part of eft is equipping for a round... In hunt its just a nuisance

[unborn smelt]

I think limited for actual stats would be cool too.

[steady prism]

I like the idea of carves in stock

So that your gun accumulates kills

And if someone picks it up it lives on

Stuff like that

Sonething that makes you want to actively loot other corpses

[unborn smelt]

I think of it more likea trinket - because carvings might have issues with legendaries

[steady prism]

Ye thats right

[floral vapor]

@prime ibex Wanna try that in English

[ruby magnet]

That is English though...

[little carbon]

Without wanting to attack you here, this is kind exactly what i meant with my previous statement about people wanting Hunt to change. If you think Hunt needs these things, then maybe Tarkov is the better game for you.
And i heavily disagree with you about the depth of Hunt. Hunt has way more depth then games like Tarkov for example, but most of that comes directly from the way you play and how you interact with information, not some arbitrary mechanics. Almost every decision you make in Hunt is meaningful. The relatively small arsenal is a good thing in that context, because it forces you to take certain downsides with your loadout.
Mechanics =/= complexity, they can, but they are mostly bloat, Tarkov is a good example here.
And i dont know any other shooter where so much of your victory (in higher ELOs) depends on brain instead of just aim. If you play smart in Hunt your chances of winning go up drastically.

[ruby magnet]

I agree for the most part... but saying smaller arsenal means you need to take weaknesses for granted and work with it falls a little flat when it comes down to long ammo vs shotgun

Because let's be honest that's all that'll be played on higher elo

But thats me having a gripe with how more powerfull ammo types give waaaaaaay more wiggle room (and thus lessen weaknesses) than weaker ammo does, while the downside to bringing more powerful ammo comes down to investment price

[little carbon]

That would make weapons feel less unique. You can cover too many different things with a single gun if you can combine variants. Also not having all variants on all weapons is a balance point. Take for example Marksman scopes, which are probably the most versatile scopes on long ammo. You either have to take a martini and accept bad muzzle velocity or take a lebel and live with bad ammo economy

[little carbon]

Yes, but the advantage gained from long ammo is not crushing, you can compete with other weapons, in some cases even with an advantage. You are in no way forced to play long ammo in high ELO, Winfield for example is still a very strong weapon. Another downside is ammo economy. with a winfield you will have easily twice or more bullets then with a mosin. You can alleviate that by adding in an uppercut, but that means effectively removing the second weapon slot in your loadout, since using the long ammo rifle is just strictly better then using the uppercut. And you can do the same with other guns, like adding a nagant s. to your winfield for a gigantic amount of ammo and probably more utility value.
And yes, you might see a lot of long ammo (shotguns not that much) in high ELO, but you also see other weapons.

[floral vapor]

I wouldn't say Hunt has more depth than Tarkov, in terms of mechanical complexity Tarkov is way more complex, and as far as gameplay options they do generally offer about the same amount of flexibility. That being said Hunt is actually fun

[ruby magnet]

Yeah sorry, but saying ammo economy is bad on long ammo vs compact ammo is such a lie. The ONLY long ammo gun that actually has bad long ammo economy is the Lebel.
And it's that point in particular that chaps me badly, the ammo economy is aparantly so good every average joe mosin user freely wallbangs because of long ammo's pen power and has no worries for the ammo he sports.

And before people say for compact ammo: Just slap FMJ on it lul... that's such a shit excuse because we all know FMJ on smaller caliber arms is as borderline to a straight upgrade as it'll ever be

[little carbon]

Again, thats mostly through the addition of an uppercut which comes with its own downsides again. I am not saying long ammo is bad, its probably the most efficient ammo to take, but its not as overtuned as people often make it out to be. And ammo enonomy is also just the fact of how often you have to find an ammo box to resupply.
And i dont think people freely wallbang, unless its againts people camping in a lair, but in that circumstance you have virtually infinite ammo. Else people normally only wallbang if they at least have some info and even then i rarely see anyone just emptying their whole mosin into the wall

[ruby magnet]

Had it happen plenty of times. And on a base mosin with no Uppercut backup, getting a chest resupply is 3-4 bullets... of your 15 total shots. 20% of your shots refilled by a chest. And especially in compound fights there's bound to be a box around somewhere. Packs giving 2 to 3 bullets of a round that ignores most cover, speedy, packs a punch and keeps that punch for that much distance?

I'm not saying it's overpowered, but I dont think it can be used as an excuse to say it's a downside to long ammo... because in practise it sure isn't.

[little carbon]

I think the packs could use a rework, maybe only giving 1 - 2 long ammo bullets, but independent of the gun

Boxes are fine i think

[ruby magnet]

Ammo eco on long ammo can be used as a drawback on only the Lebel with no uppercut. The rest is completely fine and is flush for ammo.

And yes, in that sense I do feel that if theres ever going to be the call to lower long ammo's total ammo supply I'd be an advocate to do that for ALL the guns, compact ammo included.
After all people complain about hunt SPAMDOWN so why not address all bases.

now that I think of it a couple of guns already have that down pat. Bornheim, Centennial, chain pistol all feel decent on ammo, not a lot, but you can get a reload out and just have to be more careful with placing shots.

They're not starved for ammo, but not flooded in them either like the martini henri or the winfield c

[little carbon]

Not a good idea, that will slow down the game significantly and people fearing for missing their shots will incentivice camping. A better solution is to reduce the amount of ammo recovery on the map. Same effect in long engagements, but doesnt make people more frightened to take an engagement

[steady prism]

I agree that it would make weapons less unique but i dont see problem with that... Rn you already take most weapons by preference

And i dont mean expand variants by adding existing ones... I meant it more like lets add something crazy hunt-ish to all of them

Rn the most bonkers variant you can get on most weapons is talon

Something like an avtomat... Thing thats shoddy and properly homemade

[ruby magnet]

That might be the better idea yes. Makes little sense that there's RE4 levels of ammo everywhere on regular farm locations.

[steady prism]

Tbh its americ...

In 19th century.... Theres bound to be crapton of ammo everywhere

[ruby magnet]

even around 1890?

[steady prism]

Especially aroun 1890

Everyone had multiple guns at home then

Conflicts with natives... Racism... Just after civil war... Monsters appearing everywhere...

[little carbon]

A lot of the mechanics in Tarkov are fake complexity though. They are layers of checkboxes but not meaningful choices. Its often: Do I have it? Yes, so i have an advantage. Same with a lot of progression, you get a lot of straight up better things, instead of more specialised things. Take the skill system for example. Its just a straight getting better thing. If instead you had a capped level and got a skill point every level, you suddenly would have a meaningful choice in which skill to specialise, since you will miss out on the others.
Guns and armor feel the same. There is often just a "best" version that offers you significant advantages. I dont know how many fights i won in Tarkov just through "my gear was better". Weapon modding goes in the right direction, but there are often parts where the attribute sum just makes it the best in slot. Couple that with the fact that Tarkovs economy has an actual high end problem, because money makes you money.

Not saying that Tarkov has no depth, it does, but i think its way less then one would assume from looking at it. I do think it has a lot of potential as a game, but it probably needs some work.

[unborn smelt]

"Money makes you money"
well yes that's how games with economies, and even economies outside games work. That's not an issue by itself

The issue arises when there's no diversity at the top because there's only 1-2 things in that top price class (like the Dolch in Hunt used to be) if there's sufficient choice of high end gear it doesn't need to boil down to the same 2 things over and over, and then the economy's intention would work better by putting more on the line, so the higher up you are the bigger the risk you take

[steady prism]

Exactly right

[tawny meadow]

@valid mango deleted troll suggestion

[valid mango]

why troll?

every company ban russian

why not crytec?

[tawny meadow]

Let's not get political, ok?

[valid mango]

sure 🤡

[warm zephyr]

it's not like it's the russian's fault

also @queen jungle there's also less ammo pickup

unless we're talking about slugs... custom ammo is super cool as is

[unborn smelt]

Or because we don't discriminate people...

[floral vapor]

Why are they a clown

Kinda rude bruv

[chilly salmon]

Russia is kinda rude bruv

[queen jungle]

what i think is the problem, if im not mistaken Crytek once said that CustomAmmo will allways have a downsight. but thats almost gone. i dont have a problem with ALL CustomAmmo types. but Slugs are so strong that 90% of the time i die to a shotgun its Slug. and FMJ is a bit of a problem in my oppinion. even before we had FMJ people used to shoot through walls way too much. and now with FMJ its even a bigger problem. take a Winfield with levering and FMJ and youre good to go. i dont think that it is a lot of skill if you just shoot through walls, in my oppinion. its not good in a gameplay perspective i think

[chilly salmon]

Especially considering Crytek has/had an office in Kyiv

[wispy folio]

You mean Kiev?

[warm zephyr]

wallbangs are a part of the game. also ammo scarcity is real.

you run like an elephant and get wallbanged it's on you

[queen jungle]

its not only when you run like an elephant. its too much. and to say wallbangs are a prat of the game. yes they are. but does that mean its good for the gameplay? and FMJ has no downsight compared to standart ammo. so why even have normal ammo in the game? if nobody uses normal ammo anymore.

[late wind]

Dude ammo scarcity hasn't existed for a long time. I'm up to my knees in spare ammo.

[warm zephyr]

yes.
slower mv and unable to replenish from ammo boxes are balanced enough for me

[warm zephyr]

actually yeah i kinda take that back. when you start hitting your shots it's actually plentiful enough. I guess at some point we just have to accept that the current fmj works fine and to strictly stick to the "sidegrade philosophy" would get us nowhere fun

[queen jungle]

@static storm Sorry but in my opinion - Region Lock is a must have, Iam tired of ping abusers that play and somehow it work better for them than for players thar have normal ping. i mean example: Die few seconds later to someone who is already killed (by you), and things like that...

[vague patio]

thats still not how any of that works

[shrewd flare]

@humble knoll If your match mmr was 4.5 stars then that means you are in the top elo bracket

If this was changed then 6 stars would have nobody to play against

[humble knoll]

Oh

It's still not fair tryhards vs people that suck

[lavish grove]

That joker guy isnt even that good

[floral vapor]

Ping abuse isn’t real. Playing on bad ping is a thousand times more difficult than playing against it. Even at just 200-250 ping on my NATIVE SERVERS I get killed by corpses. Stop making excuses for why you die.

We get it you’ve never had to deal with bad ping or tried playing internationally before. It’s not pleasant, and is basically unplayable above ~160 ping

[sick anvil]

You obviously never went on oceania to farm hunt dollhairs

[floral vapor]

You mean going to low pop servers for empty lobbies

[sick anvil]

nope

[floral vapor]

Yup

[sick anvil]

go play on oce for 300 ping

[floral vapor]

Boy I play on ping like that on my native server

It’s not playable

It’s a joke that you clowns think that gives you an advantage

Middle/upper kids who got born into an area that gets good connection

Full circus

[sick anvil]

Okay i am out if you both can not have a conversation with out handing out diagnoses and dealing in insults

[floral vapor]

😘🤷‍♂️

[shy rock]

@spare pollen I thought the caldwell conversion was the colt navy? And not that it matters but i think black powder with cap and ball is weaker than gunpowder, with the exception of the walker/dragoon cannon which i belived was the uppercut. But it would make a nice skin at least.

[half stag]

the conversion is a super bastardized version of a colt navy conversion (the fluted cylinder is not supposed to be there and the sights should still be on the hammer)

there's a skin that converts it into a colt open top as well

[spare pollen]

Totally different. Also a ball would do more damage cause it doesn't pass through and would do more damage internally.

[half stag]

In addition, most of the load data we have today is from underpowered loads. Back in the day, the powder was hotter and would often let cap and ball match modern guns in terms of muzzle energy (.36 caliber was equivalent to 9 mm)

https://youtu.be/tz8zpTeHxII

[shy rock]

would be cool with a cap and ball revolver in the game either way. 6 shots and then reload for what must feel like an eternity. cool reload animation required

[queen jungle]

@floral basin Please make sure to add a detailed description to your suggestion to avoid it being removed due to low effort.

[spare pollen]

yeye!

[shy rock]

@surreal mirage 3 bounties has never been a thing in hunt

[queen jungle]

Please do not add regional lock, there is hardly anyone playing in Oceana server if you don’t want to reck the game do not do this!! You want people to play don’t you

[frosty garnet]

@queen jungle, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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Please do not add regional lock, there is hardly anyone playing in Oceana server if you don’t want to reck the game do not do this!! You want people to play don’t you```

@queen jungle, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
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[native lodge]

mmm I mean I do want know how high this ping limit is going to be

[warm zephyr]

@shy rock fmj is fine as is

[digital nacelle]

it’s not lol

especially on pistols it’s just a straight upgrade

[jovial lodge]

@shy rock Looks like you may have posted a suggestion in the #feedback channel -- I've removed it from there but here is the text body in case you want to make the post in #game-ideas 🤠

Title: Ammo Rework

Description: FMJ should have less damage, slighly more speed and penetration than regular ammo, should still retain its reduced damage for longer distances. Like a "Spitzer light" ammo - which it really is. It only makes sense as a regular led projectile is almost as bad as dumdum to get shot from. And led being a lot heavier than anything other people will cover their bullets in should increase velocity when they trade some of the led away. FMJ today is really a pure upgrade, at least for handguns. Also FMJ, Spitzer and High Velocity should take a severe damage penalty to the limbs making regular ammo the best overall choice and special ammo for people who can and want to utilize it.

[fluid locust]

So what's with everyone crying about the region lock thing all of the sudden? Was there some info on that recently?

[sick anvil]

Twitter post . that 1.9 brings ping limit / region lock

[fluid locust]

what's the ping limit? anyone know?

[sick anvil]

No info

dooms day calling

[fluid locust]

hope it's not something stupid like 100 lol

servers are ass and I get 60-100 on west/east depending on how the servers wanna be

even with good internet

[sick anvil]

Well we find out when they finally give us exact. info about it

i do not think it will be a hard number limit

[sick anvil]

Technically servers are not the issue .
The issue is the outdated network infrastructure in the US and the distance from coast to coast.
majority of the US backbone network is still copper wires
even if all cables in the US would be replaced with fiber the coast to coast latency would be quite high

and course US Hunt servers are one data center on each coast

[chilly salmon]

No i mean Kyiv

[wispy folio]

Do you also call Brussels Bruxelles and Moscow Moskva?🤣

The English spelling is Kiev.

[chilly salmon]

Cool

Either way Russia should be shadow banned

[wispy folio]

Ah so now we have to spell it differently to spite Russia?

[chilly salmon]

Idk what to tell you bud but were both correct

Can DM me if youd like or gg

[fluid locust]

@obtuse rock tbh even if it worked with clues it'd still only be worth one point imo. the only good all rounder thing you can get from magpie is a stamina shot. and it only lasts 2 minutes as opposed to the 5 minute weak one. antidote and regen are very situational.

[deep kernel]

@lucid orbit i dont get your point with the trading. its kinda obvious that trading happens more when you have a game with older weapons. thats just right as the bullet speed is often way lower than with modern weapons.

[valid mango]

hahahhahaahha

[queen jungle]

I'm glad you're having an enjoyable experience, but ping limits were announced a while ago.

[valid mango]

i know'

[queen jungle]

No news except it seems to be coming closer to release.

[valid mango]

Yay, no more □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ players on EU !

[queen jungle]

I am certain there will still be ways to play with people from other regions. the community is way too interconnected these days so just cut everyone off.

Also, region lock doesn't necessarily mean everybody will get locked to their own regions. Just the other day there was a suggestion asking for more players on OCE

[valid mango]

:sadge:

[deep kernel]

waiting to get locked on oceania to play with 400 ping

[queen jungle]

Think of it as going on vacation. Just a lot cheaper.

[deep kernel]

now im imagining myself somewhere in australia rubberbanding through sidney

https://tenor.com/view/elvis-elvis-dancing-elvis-dance-dancing-dance-gif-23242591

so maybe this was just a high ping

[frigid folio]

as an OCE player, it would be nice to see more than just the same 10 people in games xD

[vague patio]

1.9 really has the potential to be the worst update

such a mistake from the devs to listen to a part of the community that doesnt know what they are talking about

feeding their narative, and making the experience worse for actual players

at least im fglad to see the poeple now stand up against that ping limit/region lock

[crystal plume]

I don't really care about it as long as it still enables me to play with friends from around the world, and that much is basically confirmed since they obviously know how many people have and play with friends from other parts of the world

[vague patio]

i mean, for how i play same.

but its really about the message they send

they are willing to sacrifice the experience from normal players, to appease people who dont have a point in the first place and just get mad.

they double down on that now

[crystal plume]

I mean as long as it's not super intrusive, I don't see how it's sacrificing the experience from normal players

You don't even know entirely how the system will function

It's all speculation at this point

We don't know the hard limit or such

And who said that there will be no choice at all anymore

Again, all speculation

If the choice is removed from just being able to play on a server from another side of the world for example, I don't think anyone will genuinely suffer from that in any way

Let's say the limit is a theoretical 200 ping

I can still play basically everywhere except OCE from where I am from

And I'm definitely not at the center of the world

[deep kernel]

not sure yet

https://tenor.com/view/johntron-i-have-several-questions-gif-9543284

but i guess ill just wait to see what happens and maybe bitch later then if its bad

[vague patio]

heres the thing then, whats the point?

if they dont actually region lock you, still giving you choice, then it literaly did nothing

and the same people will still cry ping abuse and shit

[deep kernel]

people are crying all the time

[vague patio]

well, both are announced

[crystal plume]

All in all I just think it's pointless to complain before we have even received any real info on how the system will function, they are aware of people with cross continent friends, they are aware of OCE, save your complaints for after you even know how it will function if there is a need to complain at that point

[vague patio]

^

[queen jungle]

People will be unhappy either way because they all have their own ideas of what supposedly needs to happen.

[crystal plume]

From what I understand the goal is to make the experience more consistent, not remove "ping abuse"

[vague patio]

usually id agree, but thats not the case with this situation. As the choice to do something with a "fairer" gameplay narrative, is already a signal

[vague patio]

sure, why are they not saying that but build on "fairer" gameplay

it 100% sounds like they want to appease the people who cry ping abuse

[crystal plume]

As I said before as well, I don't think there's ping abuse either and ping goes both ways, but dying behind cover can be frustrating even if it's not a real advantage to the shooter

And them wanting to reduce that happening is fair imo

Or at least shaving off the extreme cases

[vague patio]

thats something i agree on, but i think they should then be very clear about that

[crystal plume]

I agree, the wording when they first teased it should've been more clear

But it was a live stream with only pre planned talking points, not a pre planned script, so it's understandable if something said is not always the best

[pure quest]

Ah I just saw a reddit post "finally!" Eith region lock and ping limits

Is it clear yet how the region lock will work?

Europeans can no longer play US east?

Or other way around

[queen jungle]

There is no detailed info yet. But I doubt they would make it impossible to play with people from other continents. The community is way too interconnected, cutting friends off from each other would be extremely unpopular.

[pure quest]

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well

Half my buddies are from americas

And the ping limit will just kick you out of a game when your ping goes above a certain point?

What if my wife opens up a stream while I'm playing, or what if I'm playing on a bad server. I have plenty bad games with high pings/packetloss when it's on cryteks side of things (like anyone else seems to have 50% of the games).

I dunno, it seems like a good idea because people are hating on the delayed trading and desyncs, but in practice I have little hope for it

@floral vapor why wouldn't it be possible? 33m isnt far and the first shot is always quite accurate.

[normal horizon]

it's not

first shot can still go anywhere in the crosshair

[queen jungle]

No idea why people think first shot would be different to any other in Hunt. It's usually the case in games with full-auto guns, but except for the Avto guns are single-shot.

[ruby magnet]

People just really mad at other people winning the lottery on their first try.

[vague patio]

@proud helm looks a bit like the old testament centennial

[still moss]

anyone here have the G7 Samsung 32 inhc monitor?

[pure quest]

Then my luck runs out after the first shot, consistent. But I find the dualies quite accurate, it's not hard hitting people at 33 m. The headshot is unlucky though, but just a hit in general isnt hard

[outer jungle]

new ping limit system ? 😬 ... bye bye oceana

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so I've seen a crab boss being mentioned but never in suggestion, so if it was already done I'm sorry.

Meet love death & robots, a Netflix series of short episodes, each with a different story and artstyle. Good show all in all, but I wanna focus on S3E2: Bad travelling. A sailing ship is attacked by a giant crab monster, and the crew tries to fight against it. 
In that episode, we get literally everything we need for a boss.
First of all, it moves a bit like the spider, it can climb on walls and the ceiling and stuff, though it would be much slower and heavier.
That weight comes partly from its thick shell, any piercing or slashing attack would be basically useless against this behemoth. Only heavy blunt attacks, explosives and fire would be its weak spot. I think it would also be interesting if sticky bombs didn't stick on its shell, since realistically they couldn't. Additionally it would also have a soft spot on its mouth, just like the spider.
As a special attack, I believe it could have a grab attack. similar to how the spider jumps on you, it could pin you down to the floor with a claw, and deal massive damage if its not staggered in time (could just be a hit from the before mentioned weaknesses)
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[late wind]

So I'm pretty sure death by AI doesn't affect MMR or kd. Does suicide?

[lucid orbit]

Old guns? Muzzle velocity? I'm talking about the grace period that allows someone to return fire after being reduced to 0 hitpoints. It's ridiculous. It happens primarily with shotguns so any points about muzzle velocity are invalid. We're talking can reach out and slap you range.

[late wind]

That explains that then.

[little carbon]

There are many different ways to implement a region lock. A relatively fair way would be to just limit everyones region select to their 3 best regions (not touching international play at all. You could still invite someone from one of the locked regions, but it makes sure the host cant choose the worst option while still having some options).
Either way, since Crytek seems to be aware that ping abuse is not a thing, i dont think we'll have to worry too muc, we can just wait and see. Nontheless, in theory i dont think regionlock is needed, but i also dont think its going to hurt too much

I just hope it wont do automatic region select for cross region play. Cause i kinda want to be able to play on my closest server even when playing with discord randoms

@shy rock Balancing by use rate is a very bad idea.
And generally, no one is forcing any loadout on you. But if someone else only wants to play a single loadout, let them

[hot vigil]

I see the term that "ping abuse ain't a thing" thrown around lately, just curious from where people are quoting that?

[little carbon]

I am pretty sure there was a document/video explaining how ping in Hunt works, that the mods sometimes pull up. Maybe a mod can link it here.
I mostly take my information regarding ping from my own knowledge

[unborn smelt]

It's the answeer to people complaining about ping abuse

[little carbon]

And the important thing here to note is that it is not meant as an "people are not doing it" but as an "high ping offers no advantage to be abused"

[native lodge]

ping abuse implys there is an advantage in having high ping,

there isn't an advantage though

but

it is janky as shit, and over all a less smooth experience for everyone

[little carbon]

(You could maybe "ping abuse" by rapidly increasing/decreasing your ping by massive amounts at the right moments, but that is a completely different matter than constant high ping) maybe being a word here, because that should be catched by EAC

But that would be an actual cheat

[unborn smelt]

lag switching proovably has advantages

hence why it's bannable like cheating

because if you induce the lag and remove it when needed you get the advantages without the delay that eats up the advantages again in the case of constant high ping

[little carbon]

Since we have client side hitreg you could probably squeeze a few extra "out of cover" frames out of an opponent by upping the delay as soon as they peek. Not infinite of course, since validation is a thing

[unborn smelt]

usuallly the other way around

you induce packet loss / ping - you peek and shot the guy

[hot vigil]

That is fair, just see videos fluxating both in favour and against the ping abuse argument, but all from non-crytek sources, which makes them second hand at best.
Tho in the Crytek article about Hit Registration the go a little into some of the work behind it and -theoretically- there could be ping abuse tho this line is important:
In some ways, this means that we allow you to slightly re-write the servers' world state history if your client's claim is deemed valid. The bigger your latency to the server, the further back in time those rewrites can go—though we do have a hard cap set at 800 milliseconds.
So to my understanding a ping abuser can only "abuse the system" up to teh 800 millisecond cap before his shots stops registers?
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-state-of-hit-registration-in-hunt

[little carbon]

Works as well, rule of thumb, inducing lag at state changes can give you an advantage

[hot vigil]

That I get, but I don't like people throwing vague statements around as facts unless there is some backing up to it.

[unborn smelt]

It's not even abuse before the 800ms

the 800 ms is the "last line" after which it doesn't matter at all anymore

[hot vigil]

Cool, where did they say that?

[unborn smelt]

before the other systems that stop high ping advantage - most notably serverside validation still work

[hot vigil]

I understand, but it was just hammer home that there is already a system in place to stop people if the intend to "abuse".

[unborn smelt]

yes that works perfectly fine

high ping is no advantage because your peek has a delay - but your shots after rounding the corner have the same delay

[hot vigil]

That is fair, I'll just dig deeper a little, I have the same kind of issue remembering where what is said with Crytek bc they have so many channels of communication and not everything is said on all of them :b

[little carbon]

Thats already not an abuse. The most common argument made for "ping abuse" is that with high ping you have more time to shoot someone since they are out of cover longer on the enemies screen.
But thats not a thing. Ping is a delay, so it doesnt generate nor reduce time.
That means there are n+1 differently shifted but not elongated or shortened timelines (1 per client, 1 server).
The rewriting is a mechanic that makes it fair for timelines that are behind the server. Because you made a play, but the server didnt yet see it you can rewrite the serverstate to have that play exist.
But the important part is that you need to make that play in your local timeline fair and square

This is a short and crude explanation, but it gives some insight in how networks like this one are built

[unborn smelt]

with a lagswitch you induce delay for the peek gaining extra time to aim - and stop inducing it before shooting, which means you teleport in their face (as the packets containing the position after rounding thee corner and aiming aren't delayed) and kill them nearly instantly

this function of a lagswitch, to induce ping /packetloss on purpose is what is abusable

but not if it's regular ass high ping

[hot vigil]

So what issues does a high ping then bring if not that?

[little carbon]

But lagswitches have nothing to do with region or base ping, because they only care for the difference between their low and high ping setting. Basically a 10/100 lagswitch does the same as a 110/200

[unborn smelt]

Issues - it makes the game feel off a bit like seemingly dying in cover etc.

[hot vigil]

Ah yeah, that is usually what I see people talking about when they make their case for ping abuse.

"I died behind cover"

[little carbon]

Trades are an issue stemming from high ping. But not in the way people think. They are usually in favour of the low ping player. Because they kill earlier in global time, but later in local time, resulting in both being dead. If the exchange would have happened at equal ping, only the high ping player would have gotten a kill

They are pretty easy to detect, would be kinda sad if EAC wouldnt catch them

[hot vigil]

Interesting, thanks for the insight

[unborn smelt]

Tbh i don't think we have enough info to say if or if it's not suceptible to it

that's just me generally explaining why ping abuse in the sense of high ping gets advantage by default is bs

[pure quest]

But, what about the high pings already on the current server people are having, even in their own region

People getting kicked for high ping because servers are messy

[little carbon]

No worries, its always good if someone wants to learn and i'm happy to help

[pure quest]

Well that'll be good news for ping limit then

Sarcastic

That crytek implementing a ping limit will probably result in people constantly getting kicked from games

As servers already are very unstable at times

[crimson veldt]

SEA players getting matched everyday with wallhackers and aimbotters with new accounts in ASIA servers. I've been playing since before launch and while there was little players before it was still playable. Now with the marketing and all I'm happy hunt is getting enough traction and popularity. But with that Mainlanders have invaded and put in every possible hack there is. Everyone is running Nitros and dolch's headshotting and wall banging when it's not even possible. Ilove the game and I've seen it grow, and I've shared the game with friends as well, they love it. But we're slowly falling out of love with it.

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[shy rock]

@forest sail serious sam type handheld shipcannon! with custom ammo

[late wind]

@forest sail while handheld might be a little too nuts, it'd be hilarious to find a punt gun on a boat, only to be shot back 25 feet up the stream under recoil.

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[forest sail]

Well it's a big shotgun-like weapon that is very much deadly

The analogy of the Nitro is probably the best comparison for ease of understanding

Plus Nitro is peak big hunting

So something like that but bigger gets the point across better than "like a big romero"

Also there plenty of weapons that are generalised into one weapon, Derringer as an example

[spice topaz]

Wow I guess I haven't ran into dragon's breath that much. It really ignites people at 24 meters now. Much fun, very wow.

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[dense sapphire]

Flechette and Dragonsbreath transform your shotgun into a very potent chip weapon that can function as a proper shotgun in a pinch.

If you're trying to play them exactly like buckshot, you're not using them optimally

[dense sapphire]

It's certainly not

I almost exclusively use it in trios

[late wind]

Make it better. Make it cheaper. I don't care. There's no reason a seven point combat trait should be outperformed in its niche this hard.

[atomic cipher]

@blissful pewter Lol... Just like disconnects are gone, hit reg issues are solved, side peeking is rewarked, "invisible" skins are no more. And all the rest of problems. Yes sure, the devs do amazing job fixing stuff in Hunt.

[blissful pewter]

its going to come out in the next update bozo

literally says in update 1.9

[atomic cipher]

you missed the point. oh well

[blissful pewter]

well its not in the game yet so you cant really judge it like that

[late wind]

So if ping abuse isn't real and can't be used to gain an unfair advantage then what exactly are the devs fixing?

Or rather, why didn't they just come out and say: "it's not real so we're not doing anything."?

I'm genuienly asking here.

[lucid orbit]

Because it is a thing? Isn't that why the trading window is so stupidly high?

There was a popular streamer while back playing on US West from EU and they were just clowning. I think the high ping increases the margin of error that seems to benefit the shooter. The server tries to rewind to figure things out ... maybe it's a resource thing. Who knows. They're not doing it for no reason .. you'd think, right?

I look forward to any change that attempts to address the poor performance of the game.

[late wind]

I'm aware lag can be an advantage. Sometimes. Anyone who's ever played a video game ever has been killed by that guy who kills you before you've even seen him. Only to have him blip onto your screen a full second later. And in some cases, this advantage can be recreated.

So why are so many people so adamant that it simply doesn't exist?

I understand lag or high ping isn't always an advantage. And sometimes it's disadvantage. But shouldn't making that advantage harder to get be better for everyone? Especially in a game like Hunt.

[maiden pelican]

Specifically they made bullets not disappear when you died

You can't fire when down on your side, only on the server side. It used to be invalidated when you were dead serverside

Clip? The animation starts after you fire your bullets, since there is no double action delay

Ahh, tried a lot of things already I assume?

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Cut down the amount of AI by 30-40%. 

Income the downvotes```

[dense sapphire]

I think the wind down is significantly less impactful when you've killed the guy

[tranquil lichen]

Cut down the amount of AI by 30-40% in towns... It's ridiculously stupid to be interrupted by a meat head, immolator, dogs, etc CONSTANTLY in hardcore based duel.

Income the downvotes.

Break the echo chamber.

🤔🤔🤔

[dense sapphire]

In +90% of circumstances, a reduced windup is significantly more impactful than the recovery

[tranquil lichen]

So, comment on my suggestion? LOL

Meanwhile you belittle me for literally not my suggestion 🤣🤣🤣🤣

A few ai sprinkled here and there is fine. But having multiple swarm ladies, meat heads, an immolator, hell hounds, and etc all in one compound is counter intuitive to the "hardcore" pvp duels this game wants to promote.

It's like the devs can't decide on whether they want the game to be pvp or pve.

Doesn't mean it's good design.