feedback-discussion

[frosty garnet]

@coral dust, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

Please feel free to re-post your idea using the correct format:
Matched regex in message in #game-ideas (#suggestions-ideas, 524577494863708180):

I was going to suggest adding egg sacs that spawn throughout the map and can be triggered by being hit or close proximity once destroyed spiders come out and attack players, would be a cool game mechanic. New AI would refresh the game```

[coral dust]

Why can i not post something in the ideas and suggestions tab it keeps timing me out for 10 mins

[pallid idol]

You need to format your message like that :

Title : xxx
Details : yyy
You can press ctrl + enter on discord to go to the next line without splitting your message into two (which would be caught by the bot)

[coral dust]

@pallid idol thx

[inland ravine]

This game needs a long bared gun that is chambered for shotgun and rifle ammo.

[dense sapphire]

No thanks. The only real downside of rifles is they're not great in CQC. Give them shotgun ammo and that's gone.

[latent bobcat]

It’s called the Romeo with slugs as one of its special ammo slots

[wraith pecan]

I encountered 5 in one game using the ignore wall bug, I MMR 6 stars, died 3 times and did not kill a single person.

One game, 5

One game, 5 players

One game, 5 players using the ignore wall bug

@young steeple@thin blaze@candid maple@proper pelicanWhat do you think about this? How should players respond to this situation?

[latent bobcat]

Jeez man you don’t need to @ the dev team, maybe it’s just cause I’m new here but I’m sure someone will see this message

[wraith pecan]

You simply do not know their attitude, except for the design to money, other bug fixes are basically do not care. Reconnect save Hunter BUG has existed for half a year. Now it has not been fixed.

[latent bobcat]

Game development is hard

@wind thistle them is just gonna stall their work

[radiant river]

I don't believe you 🙂

[wraith pecan]

Golden Cash Register BUG fixed in a few days. Always releasing new DLC. But BUG, always on, the server, has been unstable, new BUG, more and more. Frame rate, getting lower and lower.

[latent bobcat]

Who tf made their name ing lol

[wraith pecan]

I think it's outrageous too, but it's the truth.

[latent bobcat]

Now you see
DLC is probably easier to make than fixing server issues
Imagine what would happen to the player base if there was no content at all for months while they work on a fix

Hell let loose is a mess on console because of this very situation
The devs aren’t releasing updates for the game so they can fix issues

And it’s been 146 days

[wraith pecan]

The bug is left unfixed, and the number of people who take advantage of it will only increase. Don't say what fixing bugs is difficult, fixing bugs is fixing bugs. Why don't other companies have bugs that can't be fixed for months?

[latent bobcat]

Do you want this same thing happening to this game?
Give them time

Game development is hard

They are probably tired after a long day

Let them rest

Crytek might actually care about their employees as supposed to most companies
Making updates and fixes a tad bit rarer than in your cods and your gtas and stuff where the company really just does not care about their employees

[wraith pecan]

I admire your logic, ignoring walls + reconnecting to save hunters has the same effect as cheating software. I can encounter 5 cheaters in one game, and you tell me that DLC matters?

[latent bobcat]

If anything they probably they probably have 2 teams
1 for fixes the other for updates

[wraith pecan]

1. no company will bug for months to fix bad.
2. ignore the wall is very, very serious bugs.

[latent bobcat]

And since the updates are easier to make because your not fixing core network issues there will inevitably be more updates than fixes

[latent bobcat]

Have you ever tried patching server issues?

I haven’t but maybe you have

I’m not criticizing them

Because I haven’t done their work

[wraith pecan]

How long did it take to fix the Golden Cash Register bug? (a few days)
How long did it take to fix the reconnect save hunter bug? (6 months, still not fixed)

I don't even know what you're "licking".

舔狗一条

[latent bobcat]

Somethings are easier to fix than others

I ask again

Have you fixed server issues before

[wraith pecan]

Is the difficulty of fixing a bug a reason for not fixing it well for months? Do you think it's funny?

yes

[latent bobcat]

I doubt they haven’t been working on it

[wraith pecan]

We encountered a serious server issue, spent half an hour discussing a solution, spent 2 hours writing the fix code, tested it and updated it to the global server the same day.

This is why I think Crytek is very, very crap.

[latent bobcat]

This is your own experience?
If so you make a fine point

But @wind thistle the devs isn’t gonna do shit

[wraith pecan]

Now the situation is to ignore the wall bug has made the game can not be played properly. So I would like to get a direct reply from the developer.

It is my own experience, but of course the core reason is also because the bug is related to money.

[latent bobcat]

I still believe that the devs are working on a fix

[wraith pecan]

But our other bugs are also very fast to fix, and there will not be some bugs that seriously affect users for months without fixing. The server is not enough to increase the situation.

[wraith pecan]

I don't believe so, because it doesn't take long to fix these kinds of bugs, add some logic, and if you really want to fix it, you can do it in a week or two at most.

[latent bobcat]

The truth is we don’t actually know how much of a mess the code might be
It might take a while to figure out exactly what’s wrong as a whole

[wraith pecan]

For example, add one that does not allow climbing ladders for half a second after a jump.

[native lodge]

movement related bugs are actually not an easy fix

[wraith pecan]

There is no reason to explain why the reconnect save hunter bug has not been fixed for months.

Any reason is an excuse.

[radiant river]

You already can't get on a ladder while jumping

[wraith pecan]

The same goes for ignoring wall bugs. I think they will still not be able to get it right for a few months. This situation is catastrophic for the average player.

[latent bobcat]

Maybe oh idk
The server bugs and the ladder shit are getting in the way of fixing something that will be fixed when the servers get fixed anyways

[latent bobcat]

It’s good to see people coming to my side

[latent bobcat]

Thanks for the help

[wraith pecan]

I have not used this bug. But I know it is through the continuous climbing ladders and jumping these two movements to take advantage of this bug.

[radiant river]

Did you watch the devstream today

[latent bobcat]

I haven’t
What did they say

[radiant river]

They talked about ladder bug and addressed most of the things this guy is complaining about

[inland ravine]

there are ways to balance it. make the single round only a medium. and make the gun expensive, give it a long reload time. make the shotgun low damage and the rifle have bad damage fall off.

[wraith pecan]

Then why no update?

[eager widget]

Cause it's not that simple to get out quickly. I assume they're trying to figure out how to prevent it.

[radiant river]

They said ladders are one of the oldest systems in the game and in order to properly fix the bug they have to change a lot of stuff

[latent bobcat]

THEY ARE WORKING ON A PROBABLY COMPLICATED SERVER FIX

sorry about getting mad

Sorry

Sorry

How old is this engine again?

At least 10

Probably more

[wraith pecan]

hunt is a good game. But Crytek has become the most crap game company in my mind.

[latent bobcat]

See how that could make things difficult? An old engine and a old mechanic

[latent bobcat]

They are trying
And remember Activision, Ubisoft and EA exist

[wraith pecan]

A few months can not fix a bug has become a consensus in the minds of players.

[brittle glacier]

@clear nacelle would this be a trait?

[clear nacelle]

@brittle glacier , yeah similar. It would work like Poison Sense. Trait would be something like Bloodhound where you can sense bleeding hunters.

[brittle glacier]

Oh gotcha, that makes sense. It seemed like you were stating it would be a base game thing. Maybe add that to your suggestion to make it more clear that its a trait? @clear nacelle

[dense burrow]

Anyone know the amount of upvotes needed for them to look at it? Dm or ping me if you know plz

[random quartz]

Getting killed by players using the ladder exploit is ruining the experience. About to just de-rank so I don't have to deal with so many cheating losers...

[jovial flint]

Anyone had a bug that thinks you are on fire but not take any damage?

But it will burn anything coming into contact with me even when I am dead

[unborn dagger]

I agree that there should be a choice to not be revived by necro cause randoms do stupid things

[vague patio]

only the chinese, huh?!

how do you even know

[modern tree]

teammates were talking about it in game chat

[random quartz]

Another game dealing with the ladder exploit. About to be done with Hunt until it's fixed. 5 and 6 star players are apparently so pathetic they can't keep rank without cheating.

[modern tree]

and they mostly used the vpn exploit at the same time

[timber spade]

Ikr, at this point, its not worth keeping being 5-6 stars as it'll just hurt you more

[rocky orchid]

well for the most of the compound there are already the designs in the game.. so it is just the mechanic wish can be implemented.. and this is a thing, that surely can be implemented time-by-time.. I am totally agree, that the whole year it should be about bugfixes.. but if you saw the "advertise".. eh.. "devstream" yesterday.. you know.. it is all about monetazation

[plush ledge]

I don't get why you care . They could just leave the mission when the match starts and would keep their hunter and when they DC mid fight you get the kill when you kill them in the time they're waiting to cancel reconnect

[lucid orbit]

Crytek has always seemed to have its head in the sand when it comes to US West. That cluster is the Mos Eisley of Hunt. Lotta sketch stuff happens there.

[modern tree]

imagine when everyone using this exploit, nobody will use cheap loadouts

[ripe basalt]

[modern tree]

nitro express rifle + C96 all the time

get it now?

[plush ledge]

I barely see anyone with cheap loadouts anyway , wouldn't make a difference for me

yeah you describe my normal match dude

[ripe basalt]

Exploits are exploits and should be fixed. However, claiming that entire region of players are solely responsible is entirely incorrect and is not tolerated by the community.

[lucid orbit]

Yes, this community will rise up with its pitch forks and torches. Your unpopular opinion is unpopular. 😄

[plush ledge]

outside of low elo nobody cares about money anyway , right now I sit on 200k and I'm considered broke by my mates

[modern tree]

if you are offended by my post I am sorry. Just want to let dev knows whats happening

[vague patio]

not an apology

[rocky orchid]

well.. i never had any issue to reconnect.. so that being said.. that make things maybe that hard.. you have all the time issue.. i never had issues..

[lucid orbit]

My statement of any actual (worthy) contribution to this is to simply state that your experience in hunt isn't necessarily the same as my experience. We do tend to have a few folks jump to defend the game even when there are glaring issues. I mean anyone can setup a VPN and even the "leave before the red text leaves the screen" doesn't actually do anything right now even though they said it would. You can leave the match and not lose anything. I mean we're talking about a company that would rather just get rid (edit: severely reduce frequency) of night maps than be punitive toward folks who leave people before the match even starts. Like night maps? Screw you. It's like we cherry pick who to cater to. So yeah plenty of blame to go around.

This game is very much a long ammo paradise. Grab your sparks sniper, enjoy your wide, open, sunny map. 😄

[rocky orchid]

i mean.. you can revive your team partner for tactical purpose.. i done that many times.. you revive.. the enemy peaks.. you peak the second you revived your partner and shoot the gun in the head.. so you win even if he killed your team partner again..

[wraith pecan]

Reconnect save hunter bug : After the hunter died, you can keep the hunter and equipment through this bug.

[lucid orbit]

So yeah ... I'd love to see fixed maps come back and it should always be a night or fog with rotating map. If it's "Always Sunny in the Bayou" well then let me play the game the way it was meant to be play - slow, stealthy, and can't see a damn thing.

[rocky orchid]

ah.. sorry.. i misunderstood you.. so where is your issue with that.. actually it is a bug, like the golden cash register, where people benefit from 😛

[modern tree]

they even have tutorial for this

[rocky orchid]

i know ;).. so i dont care about that bug.. there are many major bugs which should be fixed before this

[plush ledge]

Was it meant to be played slow and stealthy or was it just played slow and stealthy back then because everyone was new and bad at the game? tbh when I see someone play slow and stealthy for me it's a sign of a bad player . I'm pretty sure when the people in EA or on release had the same experience they have right now the game would be played way faster , it happens naturally tho , you get better at the game and start to push the limits . Or you keep crouching in a bush afraid of pvp for 4k hours ^^

[lucid orbit]

I somethings think you like to argue for the sake or argument. If the thick sarcasm wasn't obvious I'm sorry. I'll try harder next time. 😄

[rocky orchid]

well in the beginning the AI/PVE was way more deadly and with 100hp hunters it was a tactical strategy to be stealthy and slow.. in a trio there is no real reason to play stealthy and even slow.. for solos it makes sense to not just blindly running into a shotgun.. if you play silencer or sniper it also make sense to play stealth (which does not mean slow).
nowadays it is even impossible to play stealth with all the soundtraps in the game

[plush ledge]

sorry when I got you wrong there but most people writing here have 50-100h , no clue what they're doing and think crossing the map in 10 minutes in playing fast

[lucid orbit]

The Hunt experience is not unique to me/you. It's different for different folks - some people actually have trouble making money in the game. Some people actually like night maps. A lot of "old timers" think the TTK is too fast now (spam down) but the reality is they want to sit on their pedestals and click heads and semi-gloat about it. To each their own, eh? I'll take my dual conversions and try my luck.

[plush ledge]

the ttk is the same back then with QS or now with spam , the difference is you needed aim for QS while for spam you only need rng luck . That's why many look down on spam

[lucid orbit]

.. and yeah, I was actually referring to that E3 video they shared. It was so fricken dark the graphics were also amped up for demo purposes. That creepy, scary, almost horror-like experience is what I like the most in the game.

Hunters are the icing on the cake. I'm one of those weirdos. If I were here for gunfights I'd probably be playing another shooter. There are better shooters out there but nothing beats the atmosphere and soundscape of this game.

[plush ledge]

I mean I destroyed the immersion of the game for some new guys in their first 2h . One told me he's way better at pvp and the game now but the way I tought him the game killed the horror atmosphere for him

[modern tree]

I don't think slow and stealthy = bad. Everyone can enjoy their own playstyles and nobody should be able to judge it. Hunt is literally a hide and seek game you can see the importance of noise canceling in game mechanic. If you want a fast pace shooter its probably not for you

[lucid orbit]

nod

[rocky orchid]

i mean the game is "too fast" to be any near realisitc in movement and so on..
also yes.. the E3 video was all about investigation and all videos the video team around nixa are doing is about stealthy and slower gameplay.. but this not representing the game in general..

the game nowadays is all about throwing frag and flash bombs around and spam dual wield and long ammo until someone dies

[wraith pecan]

While you are discussing how the game is, we are on the verge of not being able to play because of too many vicious bugs.

I encountered 5 in one game using the ignore wall bug, I MMR 6 stars, died 3 times and did not kill a single person.
One game, 5
One game, 5 players
One game, 5 players using the ignore wall bug

[outer jungle]

yet ... devs talk about anti camping mechanics

[modern tree]

slow and stealthy is not = camping

[lucid orbit]

Low ELO = shotgun king, High ELO = long ammo king

[plush ledge]

slow and stealthy = bad because the guys playing like this are the ones hiding in a bush while you fight a 1v3 and the game is perfect for me . At least when it's played fast and for pvp , I love this game

[lucid orbit]

I'm a bit skeptical of this anti-camper. A lot of people who complain are the people standing outside the building with their mosins asking the shotgunners to walk into their bullets.

[outer jungle]

I'm confused ... i need to see what mechanics devs are planning

[lucid orbit]

Also seems there is a fair number of high ELO players that can only stay high ELO by being SUPER CAUTIOUS .. as in .. do nothing until they have the perfect shot. I've been in a few 6 star matches and regularly there is a person in a bush.

[outer jungle]

with the new grunts .. i think the plan is not to make you succeed on that 😂

[lucid orbit]

So there is plenty of camping going on not related to boss lairs.

The best Hunt experience is 4 star ELO. You can't convince me otherwise. 😄

Thanks for the lively chat. Here is to many more years of Hunt.

[modern tree]

yes in 6 stars matches many solo players used sniper mosin and extracted when they got 1 kill.

[wraith pecan]

Aren't you here to give feedback on bugs?

[plush ledge]

what have the new grunts to do with playing fast or slow ?

[modern tree]

#bug-reports-pc message

[outer jungle]

new grunts + oil + yellow barrel ... i think explosions will be common

[modern tree]

I post it in bug reports I did what I can and I have nothing more to do

[ionic wing]

the current meta of the game does not incentivize killing boss

@outer jungle you might be able to snipe the old torch grunts and blow up barrels from afar :^)

[wraith pecan]

This bug has existed for half a year and Crytek has not been able to fix it.

[outer jungle]

lets say on console 2 boss will be banished without the server hear a single gun shot is too common now

[wraith pecan]

I think ignoring wall bugs is more serious than that.

[plush ledge]

it's a soundtrap yeah like any AI in this game what has this to do with playing slow ? You can be fast and quiet and even if you need to make sound do you think I care about shooting or an explosion?

[outer jungle]

hitting any grunt will make it drop its weapon ..

now if grunt holding something with fire 🔥

[ionic wing]

They said there will be a radius on the dropped torches so

depending on the size you might be able to consistently get barrels

[outer jungle]

what about if grunts miss the hit and hit another grunt ? will that activate a chain reaction 😂

what I'm saying .. devs talked about anti camping .. devs didn't pin point what camping

devs adding more sound traps .

[queen jungle]

Soon bounty teams won't have to worry about long ammo players camping outside the lair anymore.

[wraith pecan]

When are the ignore wall bug and the reconnect save hunter bug scheduled to be fixed?

I encountered 5 in one game using the ignore wall bug, I MMR 6 stars, died 3 times and did not kill a single person.
One game, 5 players using the ignore wall bug

[plush ledge]

You mean they change low settings again so you can't derender half the boss lair from 80m anymore? I'm all in for that change

[outer jungle]

immolator dogs ?

🤭

[wraith pecan]

I asked a BUG when can be fixed, he was too scared to talk ？？？？？？

[rocky orchid]

immolator hive dogs

with an avtomat on their back

[outer jungle]

you monster

[rocky orchid]

[wraith pecan]

This is probably Crytek's attitude towards bugs.

[rocky orchid]

exactly

all in one

[modern tree]

lul

[rocky orchid]

including getting insta-shot by the dog, because of the avto on the back

[modern tree]

elden ring Old West version

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[rocky orchid]

i should stop with those kind of ideas

[cursive lava]

This “definition” of xenophobia that mods have is so dangerous to the health of the game. There are a handful of mods that need to learn that when players say cheating is rampant in X region, that is not xenophobia. That is highlighting a region where issues persist. It’s like highlighting a region of code and saying there are issues here. They aren’t saying everyone in that region is bad, they’re saying you should focus on understanding why these issues exist in a specific cluster, and what can be done to eradicate the issues in a targeted approach. Use a bit of discretion and common sense.

[wraith pecan]

When are the ignore wall bug and the reconnect save hunter bug scheduled to be fixed?
I encountered 5 in one game using the ignore wall bug, I MMR 6 stars, died 3 times and did not kill a single person.
One game, 5 players using the ignore wall bug

[rocky orchid]

dude.. how often you want to repost the same shit over and over again? we got it.. you posted this already 5 times.. people here can't help you with your questions.. all you do is getting people mad here who want to discuss about ideas and other feedback stuff..

go over to huntshowdown.com and ask your question via ticket.. tell us what you outcome was, but stop the spam

[cursive lava]

Mods will consider this xenophobia and you’ll get warned for sure. Good luck friend.

[wraith pecan]

Who would send a problem report over and over and over again if they could play the game normally?
You might as well ask Crytek staff why they can't even answer the question of when a bug will be fixed.

[urban ferry]

There's nothing wrong with what he said. There's a difference between saying cheating is rampant in a region and that saying an entire region of players are solely responsible for a problem. The subject of both statements are different. You've misunderstood him.

[rocky orchid]

i dont even know what xenophobia means..haha.. is this a new "woke" word ? - i am old

[cursive lava]

When someone says an entire region of players are solely responsible, they don’t mean it in a literal sense. They’re over exaggerating and are demonstrating the level of frustration they are feeling. Maybe it’s time mods and devs listened to that frustration.

[cursive lava]

Effectively racism, though not quite

[urban ferry]

So being upset and frustrated justifies someone taking it out against an entire region of people regardless of whether they were responsible or not? Sounds a lot like xenophobia, doesn't it?

[rocky orchid]

ah ok.. well i dont see racism in any word you wrote, nor mine..

we all can agree.. we need the region lock fast.. to get the game in a better state

if the region lock could be so strict, that you even can't use VPN, i am fine with it

[urban ferry]

Mods and devs should listen to the frustration, sure. There is definitely a problem causing the frustration. But that doesn't mean that the delivery is necessarily correct, right?

[cursive lava]

Maybe stop taking words by their literal definition and read the emotion in it? No one is flawless in delivery of emotions 100% of the time.

[wraith pecan]

Then why don't you let Crytek fix the bugs.

[queen jungle]

It's Greek, so certainly older than you

​a strong feeling of dislike or fear of people from other countries

[wraith pecan]

The root of everything is the hunt reconnect save hunter bug.

[urban ferry]

Just because someone is upset doesn't give him a right to justify delivering his frustration in inappropriate ways. Maybe grow up a little?

[rocky orchid]

they do? but it takes longer.. crytek is not the only game development which have bugs in the game for long time

the only thing which make these bugs so frustrating, that hunt is living on the "PVP"-planet.. would it be pve only .. no one would actually care 😛

[cursive lava]

Mate, you need to redirect your frustration here. I’m not complaining about anything, well except your “holier than thou” attitude, but I can’t change you. Time to jog on

[urban ferry]

Everyone gets upset. Learn to get a handle of your emotions and deliver it appropriately. No one owes anyone the benefit of tolerating their crappy emotions just because they're frustrated

[rocky orchid]

point for you 😛

[wraith pecan]

No reason is an excuse when you can't fix it for months. Fixing it is the highest priority should be done.

And ignore the wall bug is more serious than the reconnect save hunter bug.

[rocky orchid]

i agree.. but as they said, if you listend to the stream yesterday, the wall ladder exploit is because of an animation issue.. so they have to implement a new animation.. which need to be coded first..

[urban ferry]

I'm not frustrated, I'm simply telling you that Ivo's statement isn't wrong. If you want your crticism of someone to be taken credibly, you should be ready to take criticism of your own statements. Jogging along now.

[wind stream]

Read #general-announcements instead of claiming they ignore it

Or watch the dev stream

[rocky orchid]

^

[queen jungle]

If you are referring to the ladder glitch, it is being worked on at the highest priority. However, as stated during yesterday's dev stream, the issue is very complex an thus needs time to get fixed.

[cursive lava]

Oh Lordy, everyone’s favorite “xenophobia” cop is here. Prepare yourself @rocky orchid

[vague patio]

or look at their social media

[rocky orchid]

[cursive lava]

Guys, it’s also really important to remember that the community mods here have all the same information that is available to you. Don’t expect them to have answers, they’ve proven time and time again they don’t.

[wraith pecan]

And while you're thinking of blocking the Asian servers, you may not have considered that it was an American named {YS} Robobubbz who advertised the ignore wall bug in the Chinese community (with about 50,000 plays). This led to a lot of people on Asian servers using the ignore wall bug. This led to many people running to other servers to play.

[wind stream]

Refrain from spreading misinformation

[wraith pecan]

Reconnecting to save the hunter bug does not require an animation, ignoring the wall bug does.

[vague patio]

oh god, looked a bit into the convo, fuck this

[cursive lava]

Prove me wrong

[queen jungle]

I really wonder what caused you to develop such a dislike for us

[wind stream]

I rather uphold my NDA

[rocky orchid]

dude.. you dont wanna understand that they ARE NOT IGNORING things? don't you? how often you wanna write this here in chat?

[cursive lava]

Riiiight. So you want me to stop spreading misinformation, but you can’t prove that it’s misinformation. Seems convenient…

[wind stream]

Yes

[cursive lava]

Literally watching you, and Ahorn deal with shit here.

[wind stream]

Ty

[rocky orchid]

they just seem not to have the "right amount" of manpower to solve all issues asap.. thats all

[little carbon]

First of all, it's not the crytek employees job to answer that question to everyone asking on feedback personally. They give answers through their official media like the devstream yesterday.

Secondary, with the ladder bug in particular they found, that a simple fix would probably only be a bandaid fix and instead opted to rework and modernize an old system.
And anyone with some programming experience knows that replacing a core system in a big project takes time, especially on a critical system where you really need to make sure nothing breaks.

Lastly the reconnect to save hunter bug is kinda low priority. It's a benevolent bug as it does not hinder anyone's enjoyment of playing the game, therefore nothing critical to be fixed

[cursive lava]

I’ll rephrase. I theorize that community mods have all the same information available to us as hunters and know nothing more than us, and therefore cannot provide any answers we don’t already have. This is not misinformation. This is a theory and I’m willing to be proven wrong.

[wraith pecan]

The reality we see is that a bug takes a very, very long time to fix.

In fact, I do not understand why you can not add an emergency fix patch first to ignore the wall bug to fix. And must wait for the animation to be done before starting to fix.
From the animation to do, Crytek's efficiency, this bug will torture everyone for months.

[shy glacier]

add this thing to the game

it was confiscated in a police raid

[cursive lava]

This theory is based on their continuous inability provide any tangible value or communicate with the player base.

[rocky orchid]

put this to #game-ideas not #feedback-discussion 😉

[shy glacier]

idk how to put images in there without getting auto deleted

they very strict in there and its annoying

[rocky orchid]

you just need to read the pinned comment/rules..

put in..

title: "add a title"
description "add a descripition"
and add the pictures..

there you go

nothing "strict".. just rules

[wraith pecan]

Say it's a "merciful" bug when you get hit by a full-auto Mosin gun.
There can be 7-8 people using full-auto Mosin guns in 15 players.
But my friend and I thought it was cheating to use it, so we didn't use it.
In this case, "mercy"?

[modern tree]

the reconnect to save hunter bug is not a small issue, you can see multiple super expensive loadouts in one match and the worst thing is when you have a random teammate using this bug, he will just disconnect immediately when he dies and make comeback clutch almost impossible.

[wraith pecan]

Have you really paid attention to the players' opinions or not?
The most common complaint I hear is about the "reconnect save hunter" bug.
As for ignoring the wall bug, it is already a form of cheating. Not quickly fixed, but also slow to do animation and then fixed? It really is. I don't know how to evaluate it.
But I just know that during the time you fix it, I will encounter very many players who take advantage of this bug. And I, basically, have no room to resist.

[rocky orchid]

if you can't handle your frustration and keep ignoring what everyone now told you here.. just lay the game down for 2-4 weeks/months and come back

[queen jungle]

Make sure to report any people you see abusing the exploit. They will have their accounts banned for doing so.

[rocky orchid]

WE ALL facing people who exploiting this.. but just report them and move forward.. in the end.. "it is just a video game"

[modern tree]

few days if first offense

imo its too soft

[wraith pecan]

Many people use the Reconnect Ignore Wall bug and the Reconnect Save Hunter bug together.

[queen jungle]

First offenders will get a temporary ban, repeated offenders permanent.

[rocky orchid]

if they would perma ban all of them.. there would be nearly no playerbase anymore where they can sell DLCs 😛

[modern tree]

create a good gaming environment can actually attract more legit and passionate player base into this game

[wraith pecan]

That's another point I'd like to make. Can you include everyone's ID when watching the game or replaying it? After all, nicknames change.

[little carbon]

I never called the ladder bug benevolent, just the reconnect bug, please reread my post.

Yes, while it's being fixed, people will encounter the bug, that's normal. Only thing that can be done is making fixing that bug the highest priority and banning anyone using it. Crytek is doing both.

As for adding s bandaid fix in the meantime. Could work, but might be a bad idea. Takes a good chunk of dev time for an obsolete fix that just delays the actual rework and is fiddling with s core system, so either needs a lot of testing (slow) or might break something even worse.

Little nitpick: matches have 12 players, not 15

[rocky orchid]

hunt is a niche product.. will always be..

[wraith pecan]

I'm saying the same thing. There can be 7-8 people using full-auto Mosin guns in 15 players.

[rocky orchid]

just stop.. he will not listen to what you writing either

[modern tree]

[queen jungle]

Steam accounts have unique IDs, so I assume that shouldn't be an issue.

I'm not a representative of Crytek's customer support, so I do not k ow the exact criteria applied by them.

[little carbon]

That's why I'm saying low priority. All loadouts can be dealt with and you can run into expensive lobbies even without the bug, so it does not create a new gameplay state, just shifts probabilities.

And randoms disconnect often enough when dying anyways. Even long before that bug existed. That's something that i hope will be addressed generally at some point

[wraith pecan]

ok，I suggest informing everyone about this on twiter. Also I will tell my friends about this.

[modern tree]

but in game name can be changed, there is a famous toxic player called luckykitty too so......

[cursive lava]

U toxic bruh?

[modern tree]

fr?

[queen jungle]

Yes, multiple people may have the same Steam name, but there's still unique identifiers that easily make it possible to tell accounts apart.

[modern tree]

the ingame function to hide the steam profile make it pointless

[wraith pecan]

Many people will hide information.

[queen jungle]

That just hides information from other players, certainly not from Crytek's customer support.

[wraith pecan]

I need to be sure where I should feed back to, is there documentation?

[modern tree]

create a ticket in official website maybe

[queen jungle]

What kind of documentation are you looking for? If you want to contact Crytek's customer support, check #customer-support for instructions.

It was announced that people a using the issue will be banned.

[wraith pecan]

I still suggest you go to twitter and announce this news, so it's a solution.

[wind stream]

#feedback-discussion message

[vague patio]

theres a difference between "asians are hacking" and "on asia servers is a hacking problem"

ugh

fuck it

i shouldnt start this shit

[urban ferry]

That's exactly what I'm saying. And you're right. Except that I think they were referring to the Chinese rather than Asians in general. The post got deleted so I can't be sure

[vague patio]

i know

its just

as if someone tries to learn this crap

all the same

but good that some people here are adamant to defend the fucked position and try to rationalize it as facts /s

fucking, this server...

[urban ferry]

The former is a blanket statement about a group of people and the latter is describing an issue in a region. But I guess his point is if I'm mad, I can exaggerate and just approximate the former to the latter regardless of whether I'm smearing an entire group of people

[bronze granite]

Devs want to Add Zombies with Mosin Automatic ? Armed zombies looks bad.

[cursive lava]

Fuck me. First, I’m not the one that made the original statement. I’m simply saying that mods need to learn the difference between xenophobia and statements of frustration that may not have perfect delivery.

Also correct my if I’m wrong, but I don’t think anyone has blankety said “Asians/Chinese are all hackers”.

[wind stream]

It doesn't matter, if you are frustrated or generally xenophobic. Even if you are frustrated you still have to adhere to the rules of the server and xenophobia won't be tolerated.
That said this convo has no place in here. If you have issues with the moderation feel free to message ModMail.

[echo dome]

I prefer to remove all fast shooting weapons and traits and make the game more about skill than spraying again. But i guess Crytek wants the CS, COD and Fortnite playerbase.

[cursive lava]

You should be the last person to comment on what is and isn’t xenophobic. You’re definition is so warped simply to fit whatever narrative you construct.
Still, I will respect you decision to not carry on this discussion. I’d rather not argue with fools anyway.

[vague patio]

lol

@clever prawn googling cheats "game name" will always give you results, doesnt mean theres a general problem

cheat makers and devs are always one upping each other, there will never be an end to cheats

well, if the game is down ...

[clever prawn]

oh yeah just dont do anything then got it

might as well disable the anticheat

[vague patio]

lol, if you want to interpret is as that

[clever prawn]

maybe produce cheats for everyone

[vague patio]

🧂

[clever prawn]

the point is, that its way easier to track the vulnerable part in the anticheat if you know what software is being used

takes less time and for a few bucks you got the software

[wraith pecan]

I also have a suggestion about ignoring the wall bug.
Because of the serious impact of this bug, you can start with a simple fix, and then redo the animation later to completely fix. Simple repair program: It is not allowed to climb the ladder until 1 second after jumping operation. @queen jungle

[queen jungle]

I'm not sure if that would be any simpler to do. In any case, Crytek has already made the decision to do a complete fix instead of a bandaid first.

[clever prawn]

yeah but that complete fix will probably implement multiple new bugs

at least if they do not take their time to program it properly

[queen jungle]

That's why they should take their time to do it properly

[wraith pecan]

Of course, this is just my suggestion, it depends on you. If it were me, I would choose a band-aid first, and then go for a complete repair.

[wraith pecan]

Simple is good. The simple solution I gave is simple to fix, and basically does not cause too many bugs . I'm a developer myself, using Go, Python, Javascript. So I'm not giving advice as an amateur.

Today's communication was good, at least I have a way to deal with players who use bugs.

[slow valve]

Simple question is ther a way to knew an suggestion has been accepted ?

[queen jungle]

The only way to know is if it shows up in the game, which a lot of suggestions have over the years. But there is no direct feedback by the devs, no.

[slow valve]

rip

ty for ur time

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[queen quail]

ar ethe servers shitting them selves at the moment

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[latent bobcat]

Fine

@dapper bridge you can already knock down barred doors with melee attacks

[dapper bridge]

I thought, a sneakier option might add something. For example in Fishermans, where half the door is under water or something like that.

[warm zephyr]

@dull prawn hear hear

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[queen jungle]

Seeing all these suggestions today, I think we don't really need more long ammo guns atm

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Sound traps could be spilled popcorn that crunches, A fortune teller machine, Doves, a pipe organ and dead caged lions n tigers and an elephant with a broken leg?
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Maybe a rainy day weather effect?```

[tidal pier]

Not sure why everyone complains about MMR yet play with skill based off, why do they get surprised meeting a 6 stars ingame and later complain about how broken MMR is. 🤣

Haven't met a higher or lower star with skill based on but same MMR as me.

[clever prawn]

we dont need any guns atm

we need no bugs

or less game breaking once

[fluid locust]

They used to have a channel where they responded to suggestions and highlighted ones with a lot of upvotes. However they got rid of that channel (I believe it's still archived) because people assumed that they would automatically be put in the game which a lot of them weren't.

Also with the amount of stupid suggestions put in nowadays (not to mention waste of space troll posts) I'd honestly be surprised if they even checked there anymore

[slow valve]

rip

[latent bobcat]

@queen jungle a swift krag could work too
There was a speed loader designed for the krag

[rocky orchid]

true.. we dont need any new guns in my opinion.. nor we need new fancy skins or hunter skins.. what we need is a better UI expierience in the menu.. less clicking, fast selecting, a.s.o. not clicking thru 9 slides of legendary hunters.. give us just the "headslots" like in the overview.. we need more bug fixes and server improvements. Also we need new merch stuff.. i dont care for 1224023 skins.. just give me cool looking t-shirts, hoodies, pants.. something cozy i can wear when go shopping or play the game

[queen jungle]

Entirely different teams 😉
I was specifically referring to long ammo, as we have the largest variety of guns in that category.

[round maple]

There is such a thing as budget allocation. While they are different teams they clearly aren't putting the money into the development team that they are into the digital art team as there are bugs that remain unfixed for years with no timeline of a fix. It's a red herring to say it's different teams... just put more money into the dev team and fix the servers / game. It's in the worst state in a long time. Phase through wall bug, snake bug (fixed), no damage bug, mags unloading bug, server issues with hit reg and desync, delayed shot on click bug, I have videos of one person shooting and unloading another persons gun, bug where you can see other teams just before loading into a match, de-rendering of compounds with low object qual.... etc etc etc trading I could go on.

[rocky orchid]

thats what i mean.. maybe this should happen.. skins can be made by freelancers, who you pay for just a project or some work you give them. Dont need multiple people on monthly payroll fixed for this kind of work.

i am not sure about that, but that one girl who made this awesome "arts" about new trait pictures. i guess she is a freelancer, i mean i guess i heard someone saying that she isnt a fixed part of crytek, maybe i am wrong. But that should be the case.. i also guess there a lot of people in the community who would nearly work for free to make skins. (which than could bring some money)

BUT, the "real" developers, coders, people who sit all day long in their "bunker" and writing the code, analyzing bugs, a.s.o. are heavily needed.

Maybe trade some devs from other projects to hunt project and put the digital artists for this time to other projects... something like that.

but @round maple is right.. it seems that the real "issue fixer guys" are too less people

[queen jungle]

During yesterday's livestream they admitted to pushing 1.8 too soon and committed to more time for testing and fixes.
All those bugs you talk off, make sure to report them in #bug-reports-pc if you haven't done so yet.

[rocky orchid]

i heard all of that.. 5 minutes of talking about bugs and servers with some weird apologize.. followed up by 45 minutes ksenia monetazation talk.. i was very upset about this stream i have to say

[round maple]

It's not just 1.8 bro. It's bugs that have been in the game for years that haven't been addressed. The answer is always the same with this crap. "We are working on it." With no timeline of a fix.

[rocky orchid]

and dont get me wrong.. i am a hardcore hunt player since early access.. so i guess i am more in love into the game since others

[round maple]

Same here it's just getting really old hearing the same thing month after month with no actual fixes.

[queen jungle]

Artists are not "lesser" parts of the development team than programmers or designers.
Crytek has a huge list of all kinds of open positions on their career page, mane of those specifically for Hunt. They are actively looking for additional people to work on the game.

[round maple]

I wonder if they even know about the VPN bug that allows you to not lose your hunter when you die. Also don't gain a death it's a full reset as if the previous match didn't happen.

[rocky orchid]

and this is where the "hatred" and all people with pitchforks and torches start...

fool the community once.. shame on you!
fool the community twice.. you better apologize!
fool the community a third one.. you will get into trouble

[queen jungle]

That is unfortunate, especially since you were given quite detailed information on the current situation.

[rocky orchid]

yes.. maybe i cant give ksenia a fair chance.. because she came out of nowhere and first thing she introduce was Lootbox-chary, which i still hate and think, that at on point the lootbox mechanic will get out of hand.. but thats just me..

i just have a real issue with all these "monetazation experts" who coming from mobile games and think it is a good idea to fuck up pc games.. no offense against her in person.. i am just talking from my personal experience..

and i wish they would have talked more about the issues... together with rick (ic3man2k) and maybe dennis, but yes he is on vacation

[queen jungle]

Things get fixed all the time, saying that nothing is being done is simply wrong.

[queen jungle]

She was on quite a few streams in the past, ever since the first event in 2020 IIRC

[rocky orchid]

i didn't not "downvoted" them.. i just saying.. the real hard job and the job people need to be done, are "real developers" which in germany are the "coders" all others are artists.. I was laughing since violet said yesterday she is part of the dev team in chat.. which she is not by definition of her job as OPS Manager.. i am myself being OPS Manager.. and we are manager.. not part of a dev team.. we are management..

[round maple]

I didn't say nothing is done. I am saying the big things never get fixed. There are multiple bugs that have been in the game for years.

[rocky orchid]

cough poison bug cough

[plush ledge]

We watch the streams as a group and once they started with the marketing talk like we know about the problems, we are working on it and so on we were like yeah it's fairy tale time again . They say every stream the same , then they fix some bugs and bring back others or create new ones so it feels like the game stays at the same bad state . There are some bugs which are years old but got patched in and out a few times

and yeah sadly we reach a new low point regarding bugs, glitches , performance , server performance

[queen jungle]

You claimed there are "no actual fixes".
Take a look at any game and you will find issues that have been present for a long time. With games becoming more and more complex, it is essentially unavoidable to have bugs and other issues, so developers need to prioritise.

[round maple]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1 up from Finall This 100%. So many bugs that get fixed and make their way back. How long has the delayed fire bug of the sparks been in the game? It happens with other weapons but seems more so with Sparks.

By actual fixed I mean they fix something and inevitably it comes back or another bug pops up.

[plush ledge]

you can ignore some and learn to live with them but when you get all at the same time AND they start implementing new ways of IG sales you get a very bad taste

[rocky orchid]

and this is the point where i say.. put more people in the dev team.. less in the artist or even in the "cm" part

[queen jungle]

Plenty of bugs are "actually fixed", it is just the few that return (and are very annoying, I admit) that we keep thinking off - not the dozens of bugs that get fixed permanently.

[plush ledge]

We want to believe in Crytek but they do everything they can so you it feels like they're lying in your face

you know the story about the boy calling wolf ? that's how it feels when crytek says we're working on bugs and performance

now you guys can delete this because I said bad things about crytek

[round maple]

Or like when they "fixed" hit-reg by introducing trading. The way I have died in close combat when someone is already on the ground feels like they didn't impliment it correctly and the server isn't invaliding shots from a client where the hutner was already dead on the server.

Funny when they get on the dev stream and the shotgun guy trades 3 times in a row :).

[queen jungle]

There are always new bugs and there will always be bugs. That is a simple fact for any modern game, as the complexity of such games constantly increases. Take a look at all the previous patch notes, every (major) patch usually has several dozen fixes.

[queen jungle]

You have been around long enough to know that we don't delete criticism as long as it doesn't violate the #discord-rules

[plush ledge]

I've been around long enough to notice several things that's for sure

[round maple]

I beg to differ. I have seen my friends get several things deleted that don't violate the rules on both here and reddit.

Like reporting of the phase through wall bug without explaining how it's done or witching hunting and it still gets removed.

[queen jungle]

If your friends feel like they have been treated unjustly, they should contact @muted zealot and appeal to the moderator's actions.

[rocky orchid]

lets end this with a little bit of sacrasm.. every crytek dev stream they talk about bug fixes i get "blizzard remember vibes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmkHAlhCvWg
it is like the same thing with the hunt community

in the end we all want the game in a way better state, which it clearly deserves

and not getting overflooded by microtransactions and multiple "click here, click there"-ads in the main menu, which is normal for f2p mobile games

[queen jungle]

In any case, I'm sorry you perceive the situation in such a negative way.

[round maple]

All this is just a wind up to Hunt Showdown Mobile?

[queen jungle]

Well judging by how many people seem to have performance issues, I don't think there is a phone capable of running Hunt
Although CryEngine's mobile SDK is in closed testing IIRC.

[rocky orchid]

no but if we all be very serious about what is going on with the game, which "mechanics" get slightly implemented, all this could end up like diablo and blizzard..

this is what i am worried about.. because most of the time it feels that the devs just failed to be in touch with the community... like politicians who think they are talking for the people but just there to grab the money from goverment and dont care at all what all the people constantly saying..

we all should make sure that the game goes exactly how we all want it and anyone can benefit from it

[queen jungle]

@thorn edge 12 players is already 20% more than what the game was originally designed for. It was also mentioned by the devs in the past that more players would require design changes considering lootables, etc. and PvP encounters in Hunt are supposed to be somewhat rare but more intense than in other FPS where you just shoot opponent after opponent.

Also, the next possible number would be 18 - a 50% increase over what we have now and 80% over how the game was originally designed.

[fluid locust]

I mean they could adjust according to the game mode. Make it 15 for trios and like 14 or 16 for duos.

[queen jungle]

Theoretically, even a trios match can be all duos. So you always need to adjust for all team sizes.

[mint copper]

@thorn edge I don't think that increasing the total players that can be in a match if you're experiencing empty servers is the solution to the problem. It's a lack of players issue.

[hard chasm]

this is totally off topic from what yall are talking about, but what would you guys think about having 'hand cross bow syringe ammo types'? You could literally use it as instead of another means to inflict damage but instead a means to keep your whole team going

[mint copper]

^ I imagine getting shot with a syringe from long distance would hurt in real life.

[hard chasm]

same as inflicting it yourself I would assume haha

[mint copper]

But there are other games (cough cough Overwatch) that has a projectile syringe mechanic and it seems to work there.

[queen jungle]

Only if the syringes stick to the hunter for the rest of the match and awkwardly wobble up and down

[hard chasm]

lmao that would be great

[latent bobcat]

@unborn smelt I didn’t say it would
I said it could

This shits happening with a game I enjoy called insurgency sandstorm

[unborn smelt]

counter idea:
Bad fortnite shit can also not happen.
And if it doesn't, tying it to weapon leads to more variety and options - as well as legendaries already kind of having that in their unique animations when recruited or on the deathscreen

sry didn't realize it's in feedback

[latent bobcat]

I don’t want it happening to this one too

[latent bobcat]

^

[unborn smelt]

well sure i can understand that fear - but i personally made more bad experiences with people being scared of smth leading to cool stuff not happening

especially in Hunt's history

[latent bobcat]

Yeah fair

[unborn smelt]

I do however agree that it shouldn't and up in overly cartoonish and unfitting animations

[latent bobcat]

I mean in 3rd person some of the revolvers do flip

Like the nagant

[unborn smelt]

however some gambling / magic tricks (think magnificent sever - joshua farady style), some typical gunslinger animations like revolver twirling, or terminator reload for lever actions, more tacticool ones like checking the guns chamber, or cleaning a part could be fitting

[unborn smelt]

they used to do on draw in early acess too - and it looked cool af

but it made the draw animation pretty long

[latent bobcat]

They should be perk based

[fluid locust]

wait there's quests to kill shit with DLC weapons? wtf. I hope those don't show if you don't own the DLC. otherwise that's kinda lame

[latent bobcat]

Like equipping a gun when you have fanning will flip it when you pull it out

[unborn smelt]

I mean increasing drawtime (because animation takes longer - that's why they were removed) is an issue

I don't think they need to be BB or DLC purchases - but i could for example see such "emotes or weapon animations" (for lack of a better word) be unlocked when mastering the gun

and have it be an "emote or more specifically an action not tied to draw time" to not fuck up balance

[latent bobcat]

Gun flips
There’s a word

[unborn smelt]

as such i think animations like those would be pretty fitting in lore too, reflecting how people that mastered a gun for example actually are profficient enough / familiar enough with it to do some tricks

[latent bobcat]

Yeah

[hard chasm]

I totally agree, just simple trick animations to add some more flare to the gameplay experience is something I thought would be a nice addition. yes it could end up getting a little sloppy as with any game honestly. But if hunt can do it right I think weapons tricks could be a very nice addon... but this is just feedback and nothing more than that right now

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[rocky steeple]

yoooo, just found a guy using the ladder exploit. one of his teammate also tried the same. i did report ingame, but its hard to distinguish as they have squares in their names. the thing is i was prepared for this and they both died anyways.

i do have the clip

[devout crag]

what even is the ladder exploit? is it the shooting while on it?

cause i thought that was patched

[rocky steeple]

sorry i m not allowed to elaborate on this. as i dont want a ban or mute.

its just ladder exploit

and no its not patched

[half stag]

essentially, you phase into the wall and get free kills through it

[devout crag]

well that sounds fun

[half stag]

its so fun - not

[terse elm]

@queen jungle It'd be pretty annoying losing health bars or dying to the dice rolls of gunslinging grunts.

[rocky steeple]

gunslinging grunt cannot shoot

they melee you with the butt of the gun

[queen jungle]

Make the damage as low as the regular blunt hit

Besides, there's already so much in the game that can be considered annoying that this addition won't make it any worse

Just make pve more interesting imo

[vague patio]

@queen jungle obvious from the last sentence that youd love that addition,but itsa bad idea asyoud just create an basically unavoidable soundtrap

[queen jungle]

What do you mean unavoidable?

[vague patio]

they notice you they shoot

[queen jungle]

Dogs hear you they bark

Fire dude sees you he loses his shit

[vague patio]

the fact that ai isnt very clear on when they "notice" you or might spawn in late,they just alert the whole map

without the player doingmuch of amistake

especially cause its basically impossible to kill them silent, as if you melee they atack already loud

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[queen jungle]

You can misclick yourself by mistake and shoot in the air

[vague patio]

and it would be frustrating always to be forced to just take a silencedweapon

[tall merlin]

Any chances of getting dx12 implemented?

[queen jungle]

Sneak behind them and stab stab

[vague patio]

^

[queen jungle]

do mobs spawn in front of you in game?

what do you mean late?

[vague patio]

it happens sometimes that enemy spawn basically right in front of you

like 10 meters

[queen jungle]

over 200 hours and that never happened to me

anyway, that shouldn't be a deterrent for inclusion of a feature

it's a glitch that should be fixed

[half stag]

they are updating cryengine to its latest version, which does have dx12 (they announced it in their latest gameplay stream)

[vague patio]

still

[vital drum]

Did they announce it?

[half stag]

yea, they did (I can't find the specific timestamp, you're gonna have to ask @rocky orchid for that since he watched it)

[vital drum]

I mean Cryengine is getting this support, but did they actually say Hunt is getting it?

[half stag]

ah, in that case unsure, but it's probable

[vital drum]

Next version is gonna be significantly different from the current one most likely, since it will be a new major release in quite a few years

And it likely will come out in quite some time

[half stag]

they've meant to add it too for a while if you saw their old roadmaps which includes dx12 and vulkan support

[vital drum]

I'd be surprised if Hunt is ported to the next CE version though

It will likely be a massive change

[half stag]

does make sense tho, given the statement that they want to support Hunt for years to come. would make it easier to fix major issues and potentially, easier to add content without dealing with spaghetti code

[vital drum]

Porting it likely would be a huge source of issues itself though

We'll see I guess, but the next engine version hasn't even been properly detailed yet, so it's some time away

[queen jungle]

And looking at Crytek's past, it's likely that Crysis 4 will serve to showcase the features of the next major CryEngine version

[vital drum]

Releasing the engine earlier than that would be a smart move though

[rocky orchid]

yes

or more they said that they are working on it.. whatever this means

[terse elm]

😫

[queen jungle]

that's just sad

I mean that's just ssd

not working properly 😏

[rocky orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F30rq1tjH2k
around 30:00-35:00min

or you just ask ari or bence 😛

[queen jungle]

What do you guys expect from the engine update?

[half stag]

desync fix please

[queen jungle]

isn't that on servers?

@terse elm do you have a video of desync? never had that either, would like to see

[rocky steeple]

another ladder glitch abuser in asia server. everything trapped, but this one guy just appeared out of nowhere

does this look like a joke to you?

[queen jungle]

yes

very much

[rocky steeple]

come play on asia server in 5-6 stars.

[queen jungle]

no thanks

[wraith oak]

report him then and stop complaining in a off topic channel

[rocky steeple]

then stop making fun of a serious issue which you have no idea about. thanks

[wraith oak]

"serious issue" lmao

[rocky steeple]

moving on. i hope something is done about this issue soon. thanks for addressing it in twitch last night, but its very close to unplayable on the number of this glitch abusers present on the asia server. what makes it particularly worse is they all have squares in their names which make it quite difficult to pinpoint which one was the real culprit.

[queen jungle]

come play on Russia and forget about this bs

[rocky steeple]

interesting that, avoiding and ignoring a problem seems more logical to you, rather than rectifying it. and i dont like playing with weird pings.

[queen jungle]

that problem is already solved and the fix will be deployed in the next update

[visual leaf]

curious why you downvoted my idea @rocky orchid ? Why wouldn't you like QP duos?

[rocky orchid]

first... i don't like QP at all.. second.. even in teams it would be an absolute shitshow. Because it would be a sitdown.. Also i am not sure how this should work on a technical point of view.. if the timers runs down and one of the duo gets downed.. then what?! timer stops? timer runs down and teammate dies? That could be an absolute campfest, more than bounty hunt..

but right now i always downvoting anything which i dont see any benefit for the game (right now), because the list of bugfixes and just "simple improvements" (UI, etc.) is even that long that the dev team will take a while.. and even with that being said.. i know that they mostly care implementing new skins and paywall mechanics.. sadly..

[visual leaf]

oh well if you just downvote anything not a bug fix then I get it

[rocky orchid]

what i would like to see instead.. even instead of trials and all this kind of bullshit would be a "duo" shooting range, where you can feel free to test things and shoot your partner for training pupose

[visual leaf]

well I've always said a deathmatch mode would be great

because overall I think QP is pretty meh

but the game does need a good casual mode

[frosty garnet]

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Could there be a practise mode for only Two players , who could choose a compound and play against each other...it would be like a Realplayer Shooting range... So you could try out different movements and hiding options or helping new Hunt players to improve there play...```

[rocky orchid]

that would not be good i guess, because deathmatch/team deathmatch is good for games where a death is nothing more than a number.. in hunt it has a little bit more consequences.. i mean they soften it up.. so nowadays the death isnt anymore a thing.. but

i dont know.. deathmatch could be implemented if the playerbase would be around 50-75K

[rocky orchid]

why you think it "needs" it?.. i mean.. hunt is not a casual shooter, was never one,... will (hopefully) never be on..

not even a trashy f2p title like entlisted, warthunder, etc.

[queen jungle]

I read it like "the game does need to become what is isn't to attract players that don't like it"

"Dark Souls needs easy difficulty to be more successful"

"WoW needs a raid finder to make it easier"

[visual leaf]

I really don't follow either of your logic, but that's ok. gl out there

[rain pier]

I thought of getting rid of trials all together and moving those rewards to a full PVE game mode

Maybe like a horde type system

You get a star for every 5 hordes you last

Thought it would be a great way for players to learn the game without being absolutely destroyed constantly

[round maple]

#feedback message
The reason this is happening is because the same people that have done it since day 1 have still been doing it with either a short ban or nothing. they are still doing it. Nobody is going to care about a 3 day ban for 50 + easy kills spamming it all day.

[rain pier]

That or they'll just immediately hop on one of their alt accounts and do it there

Big reason why hunt needs to ip/console ban ppl right there

[frosty garnet]

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[rain pier]

I actually really like that idea^^

[warm sable]

@halcyon kettle Add to this the fact that during Dusk players are even more invisible.... Skins in this game are generally horrible in terms of camo. They do look amazing on their own, but in terms of camouflage it's all about camping

[halcyon kettle]

i just wanna play the game. Its insulting that my specs exceed the requirements and i cant get above 60 fps on low settings. And even when i do the FPS counter is a lie. Not to mention the devs say they fixed it. IN WHAT WAY?

[late badger]

@MetaBruce#8495

[mild tartan]

@hasty scarab Commenting on your dark offering consumable idea- Why would the AHA pay you extra for creating your own problem, and then fixing said problem?

[bronze quail]

I knew a guy who was abusing the bug for more than one month every single match but nobody had concrete proves. He killed a little streamer that i know, then came on stream admitting what he did and that he was using the bug everyday. We massively reported him on the hunt website and after 4 days he was banned
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For 3 days.

This is bullshit. I can understand banning for a couple of days a guy who used the bug one or 2 times only to get a couple of kills, but a guy who uses it every match and everyday deserves a permaban.

[hasty scarab]

@mild tartan was editing my previous post but for some reason it was removed as a result.

either way, was thinking it was tied to the cult faction with the Seer guys, as some sort of expertiment, which maybe allows them to further research.

[coral dust]

@glacial moss loved your idea about the players being able to buy non legendary hunters with bb so you csn always play your favorite. Mine is Greenshirt guy

[outer jungle]

death match will be like an arrow to the game knee

[vital drum]

Yeah they never mention moving Hunt to the next engine version, just that it has DLSS support natively, but adding DLSS support to the current version of Hunt is a challenge.

[smoky hull]

Ya but Fsr support?

[vital drum]

FSR shouldn't be difficult to implement, although it is a fairly basic system

They probably just want to add both at once if I had to guess

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[jovial lodge]

@torn cliff there is both a hold to interact setting and also a force reload option

If you would like to force reload, just bring up weapon wheel before reloading

[torn cliff]

where is the hold to interact setting

[jovial lodge]

I don't recall, but I can post it when I get home

[torn cliff]

ok thanks

[jovial lodge]

I feel like you kinda need a claw grip or something to take full advantage but maybe it'll work well for you. The one downside is that it's tough to open crank doors without immediately closing them again

Gotta be pretty precise with when you release

Or look away so the interact option isn't triggered

[torn cliff]

it is "auto interact" to where you hold constantly to auto interact

that is not what we need. We need the interact and reload separated with a simple press to reload, hold to interact

the option you mentioned will not do anything to fix this issue

i don't want to auto interact with everything by holding

[jovial lodge]

But the weapon wheel force reload does

[torn cliff]

who in their right mind would want to bring up a weapon wheel obscuring their view in the middle of a fight???

the suggestion on the setting change would be much more efficient and done right

[jovial lodge]

I have no issue reloading, practically ever

Using force reload

It solves the exact issue you are having

[torn cliff]

It's a simple fix that would help a lot of us. Just because that's fine for you doesn't mean it's the solution

[jovial lodge]

You don't have to hold it open for the entire reload

[torn cliff]

reload and interact are separated in pretty well every game

the tap x to reload and hold to interact is a common setting amongst games and it would really help

[jovial lodge]

Yea, any game that doesn't have a hunter control scheme has the button for it

Because crouch is R3

[torn cliff]

call of duty has press x to reload and hold to open doors

it's a common setting

i use gunslinger

r3 is melee for me

[jovial lodge]

Sure but they already have a solution

[torn cliff]

to me, not a proper solution

so I suggested it.

[jovial lodge]

The extra functionality would be nice but there are things I'd prefer they give controllers, like remapping and deadzones

[torn cliff]

I agree with that also

there's no reason why this and that can't be implemented in a future update both

[jovial lodge]

Very true

But if you haven't given the force reload a proper try, I'd encourage you to! It's really handy and I have stopped going around the boss lair breaking every single damn lamp just so I can reload later

[torn cliff]

also, I reload with a 3rd finger while moving and aiming both with X... if I were to use the forementioned weapon wheel thing it would select something else inadvertently and cause a whole new problem

[late wind]

So does long ammo penetrate concertina or doesn't it? Because wire just blocked a martini shot on a stationary hunter.

[torn cliff]

I don't think any ammo penetrates concertina

[jovial lodge]

No, it breaks the wire but stops the bullet

[late wind]

That is profoundly bad. The wire is thinner than metal sheets which can be penetrated. Who came up with this?

[half stag]

@spiral jay maybe you dreamed of an alternate reality where we actually got that feature lol(it was planned during the early access stages of hunt) https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Roadmap_(10.10.2018)

[spiral jay]

i was unaware lol, i only recently purchased the game. like right after the light the shadows event

[half stag]

would be a very cool addition imo, if they are still willing to do it that is

[spiral jay]

i think it would be a massive benefit because they can balance it and tweak it in a variety of ways

[sick anvil]

Hop in to #troubleshooting maybe the guys there can help you squeeze out a bit more FPS out of your pc than what you are getting out of it . Keep in mind i helped a guy fixing his issue with hunt and it required a heatsink change . if you go there drop your full PC specs CPU , Ram kit ideally the whole info . MB . GPU . storage drive . monitor resolution and also the CPU cooler and ideally the case

[lavish grove]

Ima be real chief, 9/10 ideas are doo doo

Including my own.

[vague patio]

"i dont care"
proceeds to post shit in suggestions, saying go fuck yourself

lol found the suggestion and isnt even that downvoted

[rocky orchid]

@sick anvil that is by far the best idea i ever mentioned!!! in the #feedback ... if people use the ladder exploit.. ban them.. afterwards set their death to 10.000.000 and kills and assists of 0, so they will be forever marked as ppl with small pp.. i mean... you could reach a positive kda at some point.. but.. on top of this you could visiualy "burn" their stars in the menu.. make them "rusty" or something like that 😛

[sick anvil]

Id say all it takes leave their deaths as they are . gives chance for redemption if they do it second time double that death count. and after that the third time should be permanent ban anyways

course it is not a ultimate solution because for new accounts this punishment will not offset them bad enough but any one up there high enough with over 1000 deaths it is punishing enough to make them think twice least I think of course it will not defer those who get pleasured by ruining any one else experiences by cheating exploiting .

[mild tartan]

@ionic wing I tried to message you back to explain my downvote further, but discord says you’re only accepting messages from friends right now. If you want to talk more about why I downvoted your idea, I will, but there’s no reason to get butt hurt and start making accusations just because someone doesn’t like your idea.

[queen jungle]

@bronze quail Where did you get the info of 3 day bans from? Genuinely curious

[vague patio]

probably echoing what other people say

heard it a lot from people, but never a source or from any dev/mod

and yo, btw, generally can people just discuss suggestions feedback etc here. its just weird to get into someone's dms

especially cause its a place the mods cant look

[bronze quail]

From the guy who was banned, he was a guy from our community and he told us

[queen jungle]

imo a better solution would be to make double bounty matches more common. This way, it'd take more time for all bounty to be acquired and it's more likely that at least one lair will be closer to you.

Spawning close to a boss is just RNG and if someone manages to get the bounty and extract without anybody catching up, that's their luck

[steady prism]

honestly... if it was me id make it so that when there is less than 5 teams in game (trios) you fight for one boss and when theres more (duos, solos) you fight for two bosses

since duos for one boss are just massive clusterfuck

and trios for two bosses are just an empty lobby... unless you spawn at Davant ranch

but when i suggested this last time, community had a MASSIVE outcry

[urban ferry]

I agree with him that this is a huge problem. To utilise the exploit, the player has to be pretty deliberate in making use of it. It practically gives the person a free wallhack. A temp ban is simply not good enough. It should be treated just as wallhacks and aimhacks and given a perm ban.

A temp ban is just a minor slap on the wrist that just does not work. Seeing as there are significant no. of people using the hack still. I've reported 5 people accompanied with video evidence of exploit use in the past 2 days alone. The current punishment regime to stave off the exploit use while they fix the bug is simply not working.

[vague patio]

tells you how many teams there are

really feels like, people dont know if they want objective based gameplay or pvp

[queen jungle]

tbh it's likely just different people wanting different things

[vague patio]

any way, i dont think its good as it will encourage meta gameplay waiting for certain times etc

if banish times were in core random, then fine

[vague patio]

dont lie

everyone wants more bugs

[queen jungle]

Well ys of course

But you talked about objective vs PvP

[vague patio]

no, its just weird how people always point there own view of the game as the pinnacle of what it is

its just the point of no matter what new addition will be shit on

like, theres both, "i hate empty lobbys" and "my lobbies are full with sweats"

its just what can be

[queen jungle]

I agree that this is quite unfortunate and doesn't help trying to have constructive debates

[vague patio]

also like 10 minutes is too long

[clever prawn]

@rocky orchid , you wanna match higher so you get a bigger challenge but playing 1v2 or 1v3 is not a challenge big enough? Maybe get better yourself before going higher 😂

[rocky orchid]

1vs2 is not often an issue.. but 1vs3 close range with trades is nonsense.. and yes i wanna go higher.. i dont need random teammates who die always to the first shot

[clever prawn]

Get better than if that's the teammates you get matched with. Or go look for people who are better and stop playing randoms. Likely that if they wanna sweat for mmr like you they don't wanna go though

[bronze quail]

@rocky orchid trust a 6 stars player, you dont want to get into 6 stars lobbyes

if you think that 3 stars are made of coruchwalker you still have to see what is the true six star experience

[spice topaz]

For some going from 2 stars to 6 stars goes a full cycle

[eager widget]

Ah yes. Headshot masters, bushwookies, and people with more patience than you.

Being a High 5-6 star player. Not fun.

[vague patio]

they are "fixing the game" just takes time

promote explotiong and cheating??thats just blantantly untrue

[rocky orchid]

most people i normally play with (was about 20 different) have quitted the game because of all these issues... but i am in love/hate relationship with the game

[vague patio]

camping maybe,but it depends on what yopu define camping as, ambush can seem like camping, but it isnt. PLus,they are literaly working on an anticampmechanic

your post probably got deletedcause you werent respectful enough, and how you acuse the devs of some thing, i can see why

[clever prawn]

Find new people

[thick wave]

Newsflash, you will find those at any MMR

[rocky orchid]

yes.. because the playerbase is that big, that you find enough people you are have the "right feeling" while playing.. dont you think i had 1000s of partners the last 4 years? i needed long to get people who play similiar like me and have a understanding how to play aggressive, intelligent and serious

[queen jungle]

Those people are rare tbh, I once had a group like this for a few weeks and it was great

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. currently i have two people.. i dont need to say anything while playing.. there is just communication so good that you feel it even without saying sometimes something

[clever prawn]

well dont cry then

put effort in it or dont

but randoms is usually not the way to go

but getting higher mmr mates doesnt guarantee you having smart people cuz the mmr system is shit

[rocky orchid]

thank you... take your opinion and have a nice day..

[fluid locust]

I mean 12 minutes is pretty obnoxious. As is 10. I think if they made it so the boss can never spawn on an extract that might help a bit. Or fucking nerf stickies. Kinda ridiculous you can basically have a single cheap sometimes free consumable and just insta kill the boss with no effort.

Like I'm okay with bomb lance being good for killing boss and nitro. Because that's a main weapon. And big dynamite bundle. Because it takes a lot of practice to time it right for certain bosses and it's more expensive. But stickies require minimum effort and skill

[steady prism]

ye i got no idea what is it rn

[steady prism]

i think stickies are fine... you pay 60 dollars to skip boss fight which is fine imo

and you cant really disable bosses spawning near exits, since that narrows possible boss spawns a lot...

this is like the only possible thing they can do

or maybe increase the boss health

but then again... you just throw another sticky

so i think that banish times that take account gametime would be the best solution

[rocky orchid]

3 minutes

[steady prism]

just 3 minutes?

damn i overshot hard

i thought its about 5

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. it is enough time to run from one site of the map to another, without fighting or killing any AI on the way

[steady prism]

3 minutes?

without any perks?

with all the water around filled with water devils

[rocky orchid]

i will stop the timer next time.. but i am sure it is around 3 minutes.. not sure if it is exact 3, but i remember i heard that at some point

[steady prism]

i mean i bet that there are some gods who can actually do that

[rocky orchid]

just hold "W"

[steady prism]

well imma rewrite the timetable then...

[rocky orchid]

yeah.. 12 is way too long.. i guess it is perfectly fine if you go full banish 5 minutes..

[steady prism]

ye something like that

not much higher than what we have now

[rocky orchid]

12 would be a perfect world for bush wookie cain who crouch walks the whole map

...with his avtomat

[steady prism]

true

[fossil frost]

I've had to do it before in a gun fight with another team and the bounty extracted ran from brickworks to blanc was the closest we made it out with about a minute to spare(had to revive and stuff before we could make our run)

[pure goblet]

@rocky orchid the issue I have with your suggestion, is I don't like the changes to the legendary hunters, but do agree with free hunters getting a medkit and melee by default. a few suggestions rolled into one just leads me to not vote on it or vote down because I only like one of three of the suggestions

[queen jungle]

@strong tapir Reporting cheaters was never useless since they were always getting banned. You can read a long statement of our Senior Community Manager on the topic here: #hunt-general message

[vague patio]

but i dont believe it, so it isnt true

[hexed dawn]

Is anybody else having problems with the filter for consumables

[sharp veldt]

this is a known bug, try to clear filters from tools and weapons as well. sometimes they get "stuck" kinda

[hexed dawn]

Thanks for the reply 🙂

[bronze quail]

You can do it even without traits, is not that hard if you don't crouch walk. But almost never you spawn on Alain and the boss is on catfish. 90% of the time you are never on the opposite side of the baanish, and most of the times when this happens there is already someone fighting there and making the bounty waste time.

[latent bobcat]

@cold tulip proximity chat is part of the fun tho

And it’s possible to actually negotiate with enemy players

I have done it before

[cold tulip]

I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive. Prox chat is a great thing by itself. However, limiting rando queue to only prox chat borders on cruel.

[latent bobcat]

Eh that’s fair

I guess

[wind stream]

@strong tapir #hunt-general message

[modest axle]

are the EU servers dying, packet loss every game

[queen jungle]

Any mods on rn

The devs have stated that legendaries from previous events will return eventually, but considering the Circada was just released in the Traitor's Moon event, I assume it'll be a while until we see it again.

[spiral jay]

@steady prism ima be honest, im all for any feature that makes the game more consistent. Even if the changes to the timer were very small and situational, there seems to be too much randomness, luck, and RNG in the game rn that determines how your game will go for you lol. Teams spawn on bounty, you spawn as far as possible from them, you dont get there in time. You spawn on boss, everyone is nearby now youre in a fight from start to finish with the entire lobby. That is only one example of the problem i mentioned but it is one that really represents the core of the game and youre trying to address it which i respect

[steady prism]

its basically double edged sword i agree...

but the main goal for that is to slightly delay the time when you can get first bounty

e.g. run away with first bounty

[spiral jay]

other examples of randomness, luck, and RNG that currently make the game borderline unenjoyable (when all compiled together, i wouldnt mind some of these but rn there's just too many ways to get screwed by mere chance) are dual pistols oneshotting you by luck at BS ranges, getting shot by dead bodies due to insane trade times which almost make melee attacks suicide, teleporting and desyncing in the random overgrown roots of the woods during a gunfight, whether the enemy has a flashbomb or not (i mean really, blind for 5 seconds??? why is there no option for counterplay at all? you cant choke bomb, dauntless, turn around, and theres no perk to reduce effect), and also guns have been glitching a lot lately lol, like the Romero is still permanently glitched rn, guns have been becoming irretrievable from the floor, the hammer on pistols and winfields get stuck in the "fired" position so it blocks the iron sight, and the bow has been randomly appearing sideways when i pull it out every now and then which makes aiming it actually impossible

theres more things regarding luck but theyre kinda just features of the game and have counteractions and stuff you can take

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[unborn smelt]

the counterplay to flashbombs is good situational awareness and very quick reactions.

flashbombs detonate on impact, which means if you push agressively the thrower may need to blind themselves too effectively negating and advantage.
If that's not an option there's the option to turn tails and run, or get an obstacle between where you guess it's gonna hit and you.
Should all of that fail and you get flashed - you can still run away, but need to do it from memory / mapknowlege, you can. have teammates covering you, or if all else fails you can try and blindfire by sound if they push you.

essentially all skills other than aiming can save your ass from flashbombs...
positioning - allows you to put obstacles between you and the flash
gamesense - allows you to better read the situation and prepare
communication - may get teammates to help you very effectively
map knowlege - allows you to still run away blinded, and react faster in deciding where to hide behind.

Most importantly tho - you gotta be quick - hesitate and the flash gets you easy.

[spiral jay]

yeah i understand... and i have done these things. ive proven i can navigate compounds and get from graves in First Testimonial through 2 gates around a corner and into the middle of compound while blind, it still requires some stars to align lol. im not saying they are 100% a free kill every time but the design philosophy is kinda whack. Generally in FPS games, skill is rewarded, right? like this thing can be REALLY good at killing people if YOU are really good at using it. Like snipers in every game ever. Yeah they can one shot but they need crazy good aim. Or shotguns in a far less mechanically demanding sense. You need to watch your positioning and situational awareness. But flashbombs are reverse?? like why do you need to be very good to survive it while it takes no skill to use? average/casual players cannot perfectly navigate terrain behind them. Maybe if rushing forward where they were looking was an option, they could rely on that brain's imprinted image but idk. Flashbombs take no skill in any sense to use them because you can throw them over rocks, hills, walls, through stairs and windows and guarantee that they hit. And if youre in like a 3 star lobby or even a 4 star, you have an incredible chance at turning the corner to find an enemy running hopelessly away, stuck in a corner, or plain given up like ive seen.

Again, youre right, i know. Those are options. But its not always realistic for everyone.

[spiral jay]

^

i would just rather flashbombs blind for like 1-1.5 seconds and leave you deaf for 5-7

[left prawn]

trash game fix skins and make them easier to see. bad work by art team and devs get your shit together

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i'm gonna disagree on quite a few things here.

yes skill is usually rewarded - but by far not always nor always the same skills.
As for snipers - they are usually pretty easy as in many games they have the privilege of having such high dmg that you can get easy oneshots even to the body... Which is why i'll heavily disagree on the sniper part.

as for the flashes - yes i see no issue in needing skills to survive them. I do very much welcome them working diffrently than most other throwables, which almost all require pretty little skill to use... That's just in the nature of explosives that you yeet and forget is almost every game ever.

flashbombs that only flash for 1.5 sec would be hilariously bad... We know that for a fact because flashbombs in the past used to be way weaker, and it was a death sentence if you only flashed for a reduced duration and went to push them

that's the reason they are the way they are now

[spiral jay]

👎 disagree, i dont want fortnite skins

[spiral jay]

ok

explosives offer far more counterplay lmao. extinguishable fuse, detonation time, multitude of perks

something that requires no intelligence or skill shouldnt offer so much reward is all i ask. idc if theres a change as small as a higher charge up time by like half a second but i desperately think there should be a change

[unborn smelt]

But they also offer way higher rewards - instant kill or dmg, bigger range AOE, more utility.
I've seen how bad flashes performed in the past - to the point using them was essentially suicide, as not only did they do very little - they made you get in the open in front of a waiting barrel while doing almost nothing, so you were better off with no flash at all. And while the flash is pretts good rn - from my experience it can't even hold a candle to how strong and popular frags are.

[spiral jay]

i agree frags are more powerful and wouldnt hate if bulwark had effect on them but almost everything you said about flash bombs holds true to frags. except they offer even more counterplay lol. theyre just more suppressive and aggressive. idk, my point still stands. Explosives are good but there is a tradeoff. There is none with flashbombs rn

[unborn smelt]

well suppressive is way weaker than straight up oneshot, and a disabilitating DoT if not

the effect a flash has while not weak - is not nearly as devastating asn any of the actual explosives - which outright kill, where a flash only sets up a potential kill

[left prawn]

what fortnite skins? are you cain and headsman abuser? nothing wrong with making them visible im not saying change them. the game is already unbalanced and small community and we all know crytek cant afford losing more ppl cuz of their bad work

a skin giving you huge advantage shouldnt be a thing, if you play tier 1 hunters you are visible to everyone and easier to locate unlike the other skins. this is a fact and they need to start thinking about it. if was a matter of weapon diff or skill diff then sure but its a skin and it shouldnt be so much rewarding to play different skins. thats unbalanced and crytek is doing things that can be considered stupid

[unborn smelt]

can be considered stupid.
You may - others may not take issue in that. Hunt has had diffrent visibility for skins since day one. Most notably diffrence of T1 to T3. Its a part of the game.

I personally dont wanna sacrifice athmosphere, in favor of "competetiveness" which is ultimately not particularly "competetive" because so many core mechanics rely on RNG

[spiral jay]

Thats not what i thought you meant lol

i thought you were complaining about them not being flashy

[left prawn]

it doesnt matter if it had that since day one, why would someone with a skin have an advantage over someone without a skin? again im not saying change the skins but they should be made in a way where ppl dont have advantage bcz of a skin. in that case hunt would turn into a pay to win game and die someday.

[fluid locust]

"very quick" ah yes casually dodge something at close range that instantly goes off lol. something that blinds you for so long shouldn't be impact based. like if frag bombs were impact based people would be pissed too. even hellfires have more chance to dodge because they take longer to throw (and have less throw range) but flashes are almost instant and are an extremely light throwable

and of course hellfires actually have a perk counter and they're not a free kill like flashes are

[jovial flint]

@spring citrus

It’s a good idea,
Basically we can get to chose any cadet variants of any bolt action rifle since these training rifles are small Caliber

@spring citrus

But this one is single shot tho

[burnt mulch]

@tacit kiln but they are different.
You don’t see the skull or remaining health on their body or in the map.
And their icon on the map turns into a gray marker.

[spiral jay]

@unborn smeltthnx for dealin with us nerdz

i stand by all i said but still lol

respect and good advice btw on my first message

[tacit kiln]

The absence of something is not the same as a notification. A new player wouldn't bat an eye at it being gone. When you are close to a bounty you can see it visible there so logic would follow if you are far from a body you may get less details. And grey is not that different then white, I have never noticed the change on the map personally. and it it already changes that makes it way easier to implement something easier to tell for us dumb folks that fight over a corpse for a good chunk of our games.

[spiral jay]

ima be real i didnt even know that

its hard to spot i guess

[queen jungle]

@past maple Night maps are already incredibly bright since too many people were afraid of the original dark nights.

@pearl summit Please keep #game-ideas for feature suggestions only and make sure to report bugs in the appropriate channels.

[spiral jay]

@zinc solstice they should give us throwing hammers

or maybe a bag of rocks lol

[zinc solstice]

a ranged blunt attack is an excellent idea

prank those immolators and spiders

[spiral jay]

indeed

[slow valve]

#game-ideas message

obviously yess

[vague patio]

"players will optimize the fun put of the game"

"camo" slins arent that much of an issue tbh

its more if some design quirks make them weird to shoot

like cains skulls making his head harder to see

lowkey wish cain never came with the boner bag

@celest solstice lol no. you just missed with your uppercut

[celest solstice]

@vague patio no, I hit the chain. Dead on the player. His hit the chain to, you can see the sparks but still go through it. It’s the hit detection and servers 100% but it’s really V making the game unenjoyable

[vague patio]

sure

[ruby magnet]

Much counter instantly vaporising a 25 hp bar and then get bodied by a long ammo weapon or vetterli.
And in before you say just get big bars lol: randomized bars remember?

[fluid locust]

salveskin prevents you from instantly losing a bar lol

[fluid locust]

not to mention you have way more reaction time with hellfires than flashes. and they take longer to throw and have less (throwing) range.

[vague patio]

but you still badically need to react immediately, putting you more in danger of the long ammo shot

its truly only helpful with immos

i really wonder how people suffer so bad from flashes, i literaly cant recall ever dxing to it

they are still inconsistent indoors with random stuff laying around

and yea, can hear equip and throw. its not as unexpected as people say it is

[zinc solstice]

i think it's when people throw it from inside to outside a building, so theres no cover for the receiving party

[wind stream]

I think flashes are really strong if utilized well, you need to be able to reach them fast after throwing it. It's usually something like fights around a mound where they really shine

[frosty garnet]

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Shouldn't be a 1 hit kill though, maybe 100HP ish and a bleed?```

[zinc solstice]

#game-ideas message those numbers just make it spitfire with less rpm and 3 more damage for 42 more huntdollars

aka: a worse option

[vague patio]

pax has better muzzle and bleed ammo

and probably better handling as thered be no snub nose

[zinc solstice]

also faster reload (unless they're empty, in which case scottfield is a little faster)

[zinc solstice]

and better sights imo

i like the tall tongs with lots of open space around them for a big picture whiel aiming

[vague patio]

sights are always subjective

i think the big problem with the idea is

do we need another double action revolver

at least with 60 rpm it would play more unique

theres that big derringer idea which could work better for that

also

pax really needs something cool

maybe treatment like the nagants where one gets a precision and the other a carbine

especially with the idea of long barrel pax it would be fitting

[outer jungle]

great lets nerf flash and make it a tool in a forgotten items like fusses & flares

[zinc solstice]

ngl i forget about it anyways

just make flashbombs ignite barrels and enemies and i'll be happy

[outer jungle]

ignite dead enemies .. and i will bring them instead of chock bombs 👉🏻👈🏻

[eager widget]

Chokebombs are a tool slot tho, and flashbombs are a consumable slot

[outer jungle]

i meant the flares , fusses 😣

[eager widget]

Ahhhhhh

[vague patio]

burning is currently too strong for that

plus youd have 3 flare or fuses against 2 chokes

[frosty garnet]

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My idea: New map

I love playing Hunt Showdown its fun in so many ways but it would be so fun if there was some more diffent maps  for example a new snowy map where you can see footprints, gliding on the ice etc 

I Think it would be very fun with some more “diffent” maps and maybe even some fun bosses that fits to the map like snowy bear Or maybe a yetti Or something… i really hope that this Will come ingame someday 

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[outer jungle]

small burning won't hurt anyone .. its not like the bodies going to explode in a hell fire 🔥 bomb like .

plus burning bodies with these light 🕯️ items will alert everyone around that someone is burning after it becomes meta .

not mentioning you loose your loot on these overcooked players

hell there is even a legendary red fusses .. sadly its no where to be seen 😑

[unborn smelt]

bodies all burn at the same rate

no diffrence if light medium or intense, nor hellfire or normal lantern

[outer jungle]

not rate ... the radius of fire 🔥 ..

like killing someone with dragon breath 🔥 🐲 .. body will keep burning but any teammate can just interact with it for revive to stop the fire .

[unborn smelt]

I mean having to tap out a partner is a huge risk

while burning rn is not a problem - IMO it's still a super lazy low risk high reward play - which is why i don't wanna see it be more accessible or easy as long as there isn't more countermeasures to be found during a match, like lanterns, rather than having to be brought

[unborn smelt]

And yes - light items are nowhere to be seen because light as a mechanic has vanished, with people just cranking up gamma and crytek reducing darkness to a minimum on popular demand

[vague patio]

light rn is moreof a nuancence mechanic

it think they should rework night a lot, make it even possiblya new gamemode

rn night is just bad

night has always been a problem for me,caue its terrible to see any thing in the bushes

and now the joke is you can flatoutcrank gamme to sun levels

dusk is somuch nicer

[warm zephyr]

@keen bolt faster rof at most.

[vague patio]

faster rof is the only think the cent needs

[warm zephyr]

i’m thinking better levering acc, better rof overall, and maybe even 10+20 ammo

but definitely not damage

[vague patio]

"needs"as in if they want to tweak it

[warm zephyr]

they should

imo dw a cheap gun

[outer jungle]

make them burn dead bodies like armored .. and you will see it in every lobby

and night maps will be Disco lights

[warm zephyr]

i want a good gun

[unborn smelt]

exactly and that's smth i don't wanna see

[outer jungle]

oh ok .

[unborn smelt]

the everybody having it to burn bodies part - not the people bringing fusees part

what i think would be cool is if fuzees apply light burn to people that step on them.

would give them additional area denial capabilities

[crystal plume]

That sounds like it would just be annoying tbh

[outer jungle]

its less effective than poison or constenenentina wire bomb if someone want to revive or necro

[crystal plume]

Imagine fighting in a already well lit area and there's a random fuse that you step on and boom you're one shot to his sparks

[unborn smelt]

well yes - watch your step then

fusees do give out an audio and visual warning while active so it wouldn't be that bad i think

you can choke and shoot them out too

[crystal plume]

That would be fair if we weren't comparing it to something like a beartrap or a tripmine when it comes to both visibility and ease of disarming/shooting

[unborn smelt]

beartraps make no sound nor do they emit bright light

[crystal plume]

The fusees don't even have a full hitbox, the hitbox is very small and only on the burning end of the fuse

[unborn smelt]

I mean that's smth that could be fixed

[crystal plume]

In my opinion there's no need to give them a "nuisance" feature that will still barely give them a purpose

It's ok for tools to be situational

[vague patio]

fuses makinglight fire,would just be a worse trip mine tho

[crystal plume]

Fusees can be useful in dark areas and on night maps, I wouldn't bring them myself but when others use them they have affected fights I've taken part in

[unborn smelt]

well - i wouldn't take away their other uses of lighting and burning stuff

[crystal plume]

If anything I'd buff the flare pistol more to have the projectile fall down slower and also live longer

[vague patio]

the poeple ive seen try to use em just die because of those

[unborn smelt]

it'd be more like throw it into a hallway to soft block it for a short time

[vague patio]

yea, i know. It was just in part to diibas comment

tripmine aremore hidden and have the same effect with the sparks

plus they areloud, alert the other player and makes you hear less

[unborn smelt]

I'd love to see that (pus diffrent colors pls) But then again with reduced night and added gamma there really is no use for light items

other than yeet on ai to burn them

[vague patio]

full color spectrum 😎

[outer jungle]

bring them to a night map ..

problem # 1 if that map is a night map .

[warm zephyr]

@lethal silo you posted that before

[lethal silo]

yes and I'm going to keep going what is it to you

[unborn smelt]

yeah no reposting or we'll delete and eventually bonk

[warm zephyr]

read the pinned post lol

[vague patio]

we dont need long ammo rifles

[warm zephyr]

i personally want the krag. no bulletgrubber is a feature i like

[outer jungle]

i think we still need long ammo rifles

[lethal silo]

obviously people's opinion change first time I posted it the post got around 30 upvotes and 15 think about and 10 dislikes the second time I posted the post it got 12 upvotes and 14 think about and 24 dislikes

[outer jungle]

totally removing long ammo is a bit harsh

[warm zephyr]

id like splitzer on martini

[warm zephyr]

lol

if people like them

there’re be no short of posts

[unborn smelt]

doesn't change the fact that continuously reposting own ideas is against the rules.

[outer jungle]

opinions change after we saw grunts with guns ... nothing impossible

[lethal silo]

I'm curious to see what people are awake and sees the suggested when it gets suggested because we all have different time zones

[warm zephyr]

if they see it they see it

you’re not the only one with ideas

it’s not like posting a picture again to see if you get more likes this time

[lethal silo]

dude if it's about the same text because I have it saved I will just change one word and it's a new suggestion that way it does not violate the rules

[warm zephyr]

bruhhh

why can’t you just follow the rules like everyone else?

[vague patio]

its about the idea

[lethal silo]

I'm not going to rewrite it suggestion which have over 1000 words every time I want to suggest the same weapon because that is not worth it because there are some people on discord who will dislike suggestions without even looking at them

I have found 5 people who keeps disliking any weapon suggestion no matter what type of weapon and when I asked them they said it is because they don't want any more weapons

[warm zephyr]

don’t keep suggesting the same weapons problem fixed

you posted your opinions and people reacted to it as they should

your suggestions aren’t special and neither are you so follow the rules

[vague patio]

thats like legit a acceptable reason to dislike a post

[lethal silo]

time wise it's not worth it to make a long suggestion with a lot of detail

[warm zephyr]

it doesn’t matter if people understood it the first time you post it

[lethal silo]

I wish (and this was a suggestion I saw someone else posted) we had more options when it comes to opinions in a suggestion instead of just 3 because some suggestions you might like some part of it and not like another one part of it

[warm zephyr]

that’s what this channel is for

[latent bobcat]

@vague patio what do you have against being able to use nagant skins on the officer?
Just curious

Lookin for feedback for my suggestion

[lethal silo]

which one of you gave me a warning I have never broken any rules on this discord stand up right now who f****** gave me it

because I'm going to report you for not following the rules and giving an unjustified warning

[latent bobcat]

Jeez
Saying that is just gonna get you a justified warning

Talk about a overreaction

How did you get this warning anyways

[lethal silo]

this is literally the third time I have ever reposted a suggestion

[warm zephyr]

third

[latent bobcat]

You post a suggestion ONCE

That’s it

Once

[lethal silo]

[latent bobcat]

Maybe twice if it’s at a inconvenient time of day

But that’s it

[vague patio]

internally they arent the same, and it would muddy up which skins are what gun. It would just be confusing especialy when those would be the only ones

[latent bobcat]

Anymore and it’s unnecessary clutter

[vague patio]

id rather have dedicated skins for each weapon

[latent bobcat]

Fair
But there’s just no reason to use a base nagant skin
And am sad because copperhead is so good

[vague patio]

twice when first one got removed due to an error

[warm zephyr]

actually, yeah being able to know which is which at a glance is pretty important in a gunfight

[vague patio]

thats why i think they should buff base nagant in a meaningful way

[native lodge]

@keen bolt buffing then cent like that would make it actually broken

[latent bobcat]

That is true

[unborn smelt]

yeah no. The cent is pretty far from actually broken and 130 dmg wouldn't change that

[native lodge]

cent gets fmj

130+ fmj

[unborn smelt]

yes ?

[vague patio]

it would kill its identity

[native lodge]

490 mv

[unborn smelt]

yes - so worse long ammo

[native lodge]

thats long ammo lite

with a lot more ammo

[vague patio]

long ammo still better

refilling long ammo is easier

[latent bobcat]

An idea would be to just give it the same ROF as the vetterli or slightly less
Then it’s worth the price

[native lodge]

ROF buff would be fine

[latent bobcat]

It’s damage is fine

[native lodge]

but a damage buff would make the gun nutty

[latent bobcat]

It just fires too slow

[unborn smelt]

I don't wanna see a dmg increase because i like that it plays unique - it's kind of hunts DMR

not quite as slow and punchy as a sniper

[little knot]

Have they ever mentioned the possibility of making a campaign? I love the world they've created and would really like to explore it more in a story driven setting

[vague patio]

not enough resources for that. else theyd do it

[unborn smelt]

and not quite as fast, as a CQC oriented rifle

nor as much expendable ammo

I think the only real issue it has is that it's more expensive than a vetterli

[little knot]

A shame, id love me a fps western horror game

[warm zephyr]

id rather the cent be a compact winfield+

less damage, high mv good fire rate

[lethal silo]

yes what the f*** are you talking about you can post as many times as you want a day read the rules

Do not repost your own ideas. If you would like to add something to your idea, quote it and specify the additions, while still following the correct format.

Only one idea per post. Voting can not be done correctly if your idea is not clear and concise.

the first one do "not repost your own idea" is technically true but if you technically changed the writing you used then it is a new suggestion

the second one I technically violated but I don't in my suggestion suggest all 3 weapons the suggestion itself is "title: a new long Ammo rifle"

[warm zephyr]

and good levering

[native lodge]

fmj makes the cent a fair bit better, damage was buffed to be the vett damage would give it 89m 2 tap

and take players out missing 25hp

[warm zephyr]

@lethal silo is this conversation too difficult for you to understand?

you reposted ideas

[lethal silo]

then I use an example the 3 weapons in this suggestion itself

[warm zephyr]

which is against the rules

[lethal silo]

no because the second time I didn't use the videos and the third time I didn't use pictures either

so it's technically a new suggestion if we were fighting and caught I would win right now

[warm zephyr]

I see, have a good growing up.

[vague patio]

"Do not repost your own ideas" Ideas! Not the paragraph of text, but the thing the paragraph describes

[unborn smelt]

yes which is still pitiful compared to long ammos 150m 2 tap, base 600 velocity taking 125 HP players out.

It would be a very good gun - no doubt

[vague patio]

didnt you just get a warning?

[unborn smelt]

but far from broken

[native lodge]

it would out compete everything its supposed to be compared to

no it wouldn't replace long ammo

[lethal silo]

ok i remember that for now I will use also each individual serial number of the weapon I suggest and we can go from one to infinitely do you want to keep going

[warm zephyr]

warning can’t stop her if she can’t read

[lethal silo]

then it is a new weapon

[unborn smelt]

yeah it kind of would - but then again it's the most expensive of those too

vetterli, springfield, sparks, martini and winnie are all cheaper and do perfectly fine without special ammo

[frosty garnet]

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S.P. Cottrell & son .22 rf flashlight revolver (1920)
Why choose between a flashlight and a derringer when you can have both.
Positives: 6 shots. blind and shoot your enemies at the same time. Focused beam delivers stronger blinding effect than headlamp.
Cons: slow reload, no sights, hipfire only.
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[lethal silo]

yes and whoever gave me that warning instead of just giving me a warning talk to me like a person instead of sending warning

[unborn smelt]

I dont wanna see 125+ dmg cent because imo it makes the gun feel far less unique - and just makes it winnie but slower and more punchy, or vetterli but faster and less punchy

[lethal silo]

I literally for a few days ago so people post memes on suggestions they also get a warning

[unborn smelt]

which is a trend in Hunts balancing that's pretty boring to me

[latent bobcat]

I will not listen to you if you can not be polite about how you say it
You need to make a constructive argument
Rethink how you could phrase your 1st paragraph then I’ll listen

[unborn smelt]

Dude stop it will ya

[warm zephyr]

i personally wish to see the long ammo winfield so 125+ dmg is 😳

[unborn smelt]

if we're malichious thats another bonk

[lethal silo]

I think one of the Post it's still up it's about adding a assault rifle to the game

[warm zephyr]

we have a assault rifle it’s the winfield

[lethal silo]

no look someone suggested a modern firearm we talking a machine gun not even an old one

[native lodge]

they do fine yes, but they all have some strengths and weaknesses to them. I think giving it 130 damage would make the gun all around too good. Maybe broken is the wrong word for it, but compared to its counter parts, it would be hitting well above its grade, on top of stacking with a scotty spitfire or duelies regular or swift. I really think thats just a bit much for the price point

ROF buff would be fine

also levering

[unborn smelt]

I agree that i don't wanna see 125+ dmg cent

[lethal silo]

I cannot read and write at the same time I'm using speak to text I have to go to my device speak into a device it rise right rights writes what I'm saying and then I have to add it and then post it all of this to respond to what people are writing One screen to do all this and this is on a date on edit so I can see how it ends up

[unborn smelt]

But i don't think it'd be too strong

[native lodge]

hmm I can describe it a different way

was the prenerf dolch to strong?

[unborn smelt]

it'd just be the same more dmg - less Rof - or the reverse less dmg more rof that is present with so many guns

[lethal silo]

I wanted to talk before any of this got this phone far but people all of you just moved so fast one of you even said he had not respond and then I had to change when I already have Road to that

can you see how bad autocorrect is on my text-to-speech device is literally wrote phone

[unborn smelt]

What i think the cent needs is to be cheaper than a vetterli - and maybe a smol RoF increase

[lethal silo]

[native lodge]

Cent I think could be on par with vett price or on par firerate atleast

ROF being less on a lever gun than bolt action is a bit odd tbh

[unborn smelt]

But generally the low dmg, low ammo, slow-ish rof and bad levering make it a rifle that needs a lot of skill because it can't compensate with high dmg or volume of fire

[warm zephyr]

speech to text….why?

[unborn smelt]

I mean lever action mechanisms aren't super fast by default

[lethal silo]

because I cannot write🤔

[unborn smelt]

a lot about how fast and smooth they cycle depends on the dimension of the bullet

[lethal silo]

I can read but I don't know how to write

[unborn smelt]

which is why it makes perfect sense imo that a terminus cycles sluggishly slow

[lethal silo]

have an voice call be more comfortable having a discussion over voice call instead of riding all this

[warm zephyr]

is it a disability or unwillingness to learn?

[native lodge]

neither are bolts, but bolt actions were better for reasons that can't be replicated in this game, they were only marginally slower rof for a fair bit more reliability and and the were easier to maintain. but the speed of cycling rounds will in general be faster on lever actions

[lethal silo]

I have tried to learn to write but it took me just 7 years to learn to read

and it took me another 5 years to learn to read English

[unborn smelt]

I'd say ther's too much variance IRL to generalize it like that and then try and apply it to a videogame

[native lodge]

like don't get me wrong bolt actions were the go to for a reason

imo I don't think its a stretch to say most lever actions cycle faster

[warm zephyr]

Id say you tried your best. but suggestions are just suggestions.

[unborn smelt]

there is very smooth bolt actions and very finnicky lever actions. A far as i know the longer the cartrige the worse it is for the lever actions speed

[native lodge]

thats another reason they picked bolt actions

[lethal silo]

but I sure wish I could write

[unborn smelt]

am stoopid i missread

[native lodge]

all good

but having cycled more than a few bolt actions and lever actions myself I am fairly confident in my assertion that levers will more often than not cycle faster

but I sure as hell wouldn't want to clean one in or even after combat

or have to replace parts in one

[warm zephyr]

i think the cent needs better levering accuracy.

[native lodge]

yeah

[warm zephyr]

but more violent sway when you work the lever because of the longer casing it needs to eject

[native lodge]

yeah something

[unborn smelt]

after the crouch levering nerf it might need a buff

[native lodge]

rof,levering, and price is what I would change about the cent

unless they make some change to fmj in the future

[warm zephyr]

i think crouch acc for rng weapons needs dynamic acc bomus instead of none at all