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calm hawk
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also in case of rifle being your primary i dont think upper makes for a good sidearm. i think people overstate its effectiveness in that scenario.

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cold dune
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long rifle + uppercut feels a bit redundant yeah

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calm hawk
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if i was in a situation that i wanted to win no matter what and my primary rifle is id not take upper

cold dune
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I'd rather have something that covers a closer range band than an uppercut

calm hawk
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yes it is

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i do sometimes take uppercut as secondary with rifles

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but i dont take it because i want more ammo or its a good sidearm

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i take it beacuse it kicks up and feels good

cold dune
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ok but there has to be an advantage to running a rifle because a rifle is a 3 slot item and a pistol is a one slot

calm hawk
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i never take it if i have a team that cant cover me if i get pushed

cold dune
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and sure atm rifles generally have better recoil and less sway

ruby magnet
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Wouldn't the tedium serve as a brake of opting to take the uppercut without directly touching its performance? And instead take an obrez?

cold dune
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but is that good enough to justify the size increase

calm hawk
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and i dont even think pickrate is that good of an argument because different people take upper to fill different roles

ruby magnet
calm hawk
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i wanna hear more detailed stats

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what percentage of that is shotgun users

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what percentage is avtomat

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what percentage is rifle

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that overall pickup rate made sense for dolch becuse dolch does the same thing even if you take a shotty (click heads at mid range and cqc strength at close range)

ruby magnet
calm hawk
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upper fills different roles depending on a primary

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which is why i find the whole pickrate argument meaningless

ruby magnet
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Well... that said you have a point. Separating the pickrates would reveal more.

calm hawk
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yeah when i see those numbers ill think about it but rifle plus upper isnt something id take to be competitive

cold dune
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I'm going to log off because sleep but my general opinion is that right now there's too many guns and not enough identities to go around, especially in the pistols. A definitive "single handguns are viable primaries/primaries in a pinch but good secondaries/secondaries only" probably needs to be decided on from a top down perspective.

ruby magnet
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My complaint isn't so much with the uppercut itself... but the power of long ammo itself and the abundance of long ammo you can find on the map.
Again. Price is a shitty way of balancing.

calm hawk
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im okay with the abundance and personally if the two tap range is the same but dmg was reduced it wont change my playstyle much. against equally skilled opponents fights always go one way , click heads or die no matter the weapon

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if people have a issue with the medkit eating potential of long ammo i get that

ruby magnet
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Lol for the longest time I had a giant gripe against the 149 damage of the sparks LRR. You stub your toe, get flashed, dip the edge of your coat in fire and that thing just deletes you with a cheat shot.

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It's not the damage itself thats the issue... its that it feels absolutely lame to be punished for taking THAT minute amount of damage.

calm hawk
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would it be fair to say that the thing ppl hate about long ammo is how hard the one shot hits, leading to fights where people deplete your medkids and push at the end to win an ez one tap fight , or you die because you tool a small amount of dmg,

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because their two tap ttk isnt much to write home about and all rifles can click heads

ruby magnet
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I dont know if that it's medkit depleting power is the main thing people dislike long ammo for. It is however one of the many reasons the doctor trait is so strong as it is.
However losing a 25 bar in a match where all you hear is long ammo going off does feel oppressive and 100 health is just a death sentence.

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My main gripe is that it's power+penetration+liberal use of of it. As mentioned by Kolchak you literally see people just snap off shots through walls because with long ammo the pen power is high enough to ignore almost any wall.

cold dune
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Honestly maybe just an overall drop to damage numbers

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Bornheim stays at 74, compact goes to 80-90, medium 110 or so, long 124-130

calm hawk
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yuck boolet sponge gameplay

cold dune
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Primary emphasis is on getting rid of the 125 breakpoint at long range

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So then long generally two shots at range, medium two shots at range but at reduced velocity, compact two shots up close and otherwise 3 shots

calm hawk
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if they can do that without changing the two tap range and hs range then its alright

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some guns do need to hit hard to be viable tho

cold dune
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So then 125 is less of a death sentence at range making healing that last little chunk less critical

calm hawk
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like why would anyone play sparks if it wasnt for that heavy dmg

cold dune
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Idk what to do about the sparks but this general framework

opaque reef
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@jaunty sun I would much rather just a hard cap on money, or have server resets like tarkov.

cold dune
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Long oneshots 125 up close and twoshots everywhere else, medium two shots, compact two shots up close and 3 at range

opaque reef
calm hawk
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for this limb multipliers will have to be reworked too

cold dune
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Which leaves more room for guns to break the rules, makes 125 less critical, etc

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Exact numbers tuned however but broad strokes

opaque reef
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rather than reducing the damage long ammo does, they need to make getting health chunks back easier.

calm hawk
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personally for me its hard to discuss balance when the game seems to have players playing two different kinds of objectives

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half the players are playing for bh other half are playing to get kills and avoid death as much as possible

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meanwhile devs balance the game expecting everyone to play for bounty

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its really hard to discuss balance in such a state

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you change something and it may reduce a weapons effectiveness at "passively farm kills" playstyle

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but it may hurt its viablity at playing the main objective of the game

opaque reef
calm hawk
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it would be okay if the main goal for them was to get the bounty

opaque reef
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hell, even the other 25% is massively weak outside of 150

opaque reef
calm hawk
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its not hard to fight players playing ranged when they want the bounty , its annoying as hell to play against players that dont care about the objective but want a kill , theyd do anything to not die to a player

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thats where the game kinda breaks

opaque reef
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plenty of teams do this and still walk out with the bounty. just keep way back and pelt them from so far away they can't fight back.

calm hawk
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closing distance in hunt isnt hard there is a lot of cover and concealment

opaque reef
opaque reef
calm hawk
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there is

opaque reef
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long ammo bois will run and run.

calm hawk
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have you ever played any other game that has THIS much cover and concealment

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i for one havent

opaque reef
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you'll likely never get close enough to get them

calm hawk
opaque reef
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when you have the bounty and they don't staying away from you is easy

calm hawk
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and you can catch up if they want the same goal as you they are in a way tethered to you , since you carry the objective

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its impossible if all the want is that one kill

opaque reef
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nah, they just already decided that it isn't worth dying for.

calm hawk
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yeah because they arent playing for the bounty, its a nice bonus if they can get it

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they are playing for kill and doing their best to avoid death

opaque reef
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some people just don't have pvp boners. they just like to vibe in the bayou

pliant wren
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If you have the bounty, it's provably easier to run from you than it is for you to catch up to them.

calm hawk
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and thats okay tbh

opaque reef
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you lose them, but they know where you are at all times.

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you can't put the bounty down, so you have a huge target on your back at all times.

calm hawk
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i mean yeah its a bounty,its literally a beacon for pvp

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it was always intended to be this way , back in the day you didnt even have darksight

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tho ill admit that 10s darksight was nice

opaque reef
calm hawk
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200m pvp isnt dangerous unless you are running in open

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if you are well, you take that gamble

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like the open field beteween healing water and slaughter , lets say extract is at slaughter . you can either go runnin in the open or just go piching

pliant wren
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You're 20 meters from them. You sprint at them, they hear you, they turn and run. You're 18 meters from them, but your stamina is 10 lower and it drains at the same speed. You will stop running before they do, so you're back at 20 meters. The only way you catch up is if they stop running.

calm hawk
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if you take the woods in pitching you are unsnipeable

calm hawk
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person ahead has to clear more ai

opaque reef
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the way guns are set up in this game are what cause shotgun players/long ammo players to play how they do.

pliant wren
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Why would you clear AI when you can lose it through pathing? And you hear it long before you run into it.

calm hawk
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i mean what do you suggest , everything working at every range?

pliant wren
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The only way you're definitely catching someone is if you have Greyhound and they don't or you have a Stam shot and they don't.

cold dune
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why would you ever take either last resort perk?

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neither helps you avoid dying, last breath is kinda useful in duos/trios to give out info for an additional 5s but even then not really and I can see the drop an explosive one as being actively harmful

maiden pelican
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@late wind I think the white outline is only for traps you or your teamates place

late wind
maiden pelican
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I definitely have seen enemy traps that never glow

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Maybe they do after being near them for a certain time

late wind
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I have. They get the white outline same as doors and the like because they can be interacted with.

burnt mulch
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@oblique laurel disconnected teammates dont have a skull on their body and are grayed out on the map

sharp arrow
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@austere stone That’s a great spot to put a vaulting spot. It’s vulnerable to run outs, but you can get into the roof safer.

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I basically never use the ladder there unless I know there are concertina traps set up

austere stone
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All gotta do is swap the box on the right to the left

sharp arrow
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I believe you can get on the roof from the railing near the tall tower. But it would be nice to have an area you can climb up from that you aren’t as vulnerable to third parties

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elder elm
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@oblique laurel
Title: Notification for downed teammates who have left/disconnected

i thought there was something like this already it no longer displays the white revive symbol

plush ledge
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The skull icon disappears yeah almost like it's already in the game

normal horizon
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@rocky orchid 50 ways to die numbers are just numbers in no particular order of the 50 possible ways to die we show

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No ranking

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It's not top 50 ways to die

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It's just a selection of 50 possible ways you can die in no particular order

calm hawk
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which one is your fav nixa

normal horizon
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Way to die or way to kill someone?

calm hawk
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either or

normal horizon
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Also from what I recorded or what happened to me in game

calm hawk
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from that video in particular

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mine was frag bouncing back cus the dude shut the window

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10/10 outplay

normal horizon
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I enjoyed the frag on teammate

rocky orchid
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normal horizon
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You can watch the video to see if it is or not

rocky orchid
eager widget
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@normal horizon I like the irony of killing someone with an ammo box when they click (Out of ammo)

rocky orchid
sick anvil
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the video is nice but there is a small error sparks sniper kill past 347 meters how ?

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expect of the obvious cheating

unborn smelt
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A sparks HS at 487m still deals 75 dmg

sick anvil
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so pretty much a one in a gorilion shot

unborn smelt
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Yes

sick anvil
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any idea what is the exact range from pelican top floor tower to king snake back where the metal fence that is blocking the large metal thingie on top is ?

unborn smelt
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Maybe a bit more or less + the diffrence in height

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sick anvil
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Do hunters derender at 500 meters ?

unborn smelt
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I'm actually not sure

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Butt i know for a fact i had unrendered Hunters way below 300m on lowest settings

sick anvil
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cause when i was lucky enough to get a headshot on that exact spot they were showing up and disappearing

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native mulch
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Ah my b

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# native mulch Ah my b

As much as I'd -LOVE- the ambience and change that rain would bring to this game (it'd probably look gorgeous as well), I cannot see that being implemented without massive performance problems.

stuck nexus
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how many times need to report the fps dropping? How could be so hard to find a solution to this problem? this is the only game what can't hold the fix fps. All bigger game run easily, but the hunt showdown..no matter what is the graphics setting, all the time is dropping. u think it is normal that sometimes my fps is 40 and other time it is 90? 😄 and lot of my friend and random guys said that report that problem,but no changing for a while.....shame

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burnt mulch
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@worn niche The problem is, we should be incentivizing the use of resources to fight, especially the bounty.
In order to maximize the payout, you're incentivized to avoid using dsb, the only real benefit to having bounty in the first place. Therefore what this change would really incentivize is not picking up the bounty, clearing the server, and extracting with full dsb.

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which is already sort of troublesome.

fierce iron
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Cain in a Nutshell, it's too much, what's the ETA on the change guys... please

pliant wren
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Went frame by frame, you didn't see anything cause the awning blocked your view of him, he wasn't standing on the basin, he was behind it, so it had nothing to do with how he looks.

surreal orbit
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he just has an angle in a dark room

vague patio
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yea, i think the skin wasnt at fault. Any other skin wouldve done the same

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ruby magnet
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Dark skin, dark room, fog on the outside.

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# ruby magnet Dark skin, dark room, fog on the outside.

I honestly think the dark skin didn't matter too much in there. Just the fact that it was a dark room with his upper torso being the only thing over the pot while there was fox. Could have been a white shirt and I could see it going about the same way. That's a really nice peak that I never thought existed, gunna definitely be using that now.

fierce iron
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@vague patio @surreal orbit Cain def accuentuate the problem : Same grey value, same color, silhouette because of the dumb backpack etc, if you put the video on an editing software and tune the contrast/gamma etc. the player is not behind the awning @pliant wren he is upper left of my crosshair.

And it's maybe not the best example here. But I'm tired to see games with 2/3 of the player as Cain and bush camping and/or trying to sneak and crouch walking to be invisible, it's just too much and the 'fix' is too long to come, why not disabling the thing that is considered a problem ? A lot of dev do that. If it's problematic and you need time to fix it, disable it.

vague patio
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cause its not a problem really

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people just love to complain about anything

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camo has always been a part of the game

pliant wren
# fierce iron <@!348545674733682708> <@!212966024822128640> Cain def accuentuate the problem ...

I don't have software like that, so I'll take your word for it.

There's three main reasons they haven't done it.

  1. People bought Cain based on his image from the DLC page in the store. If they drastically change him, they have to redo all the marketing for that DLC, every image with him, and offer refunds to those who don't like the new version, or it opens them up to legal issues. (Bait and switch laws in the UK are particularly vague.)
  2. Because that's just the start. First they make Cain more visible, then people will start complaining about the Reptilian, so then they ruin that skin, then it's Felis or Black Coat, so they ruin those skins, and so on and so forth until every skin is a bright yellow mess like Carter, or they have a giant reflective "kill me" light on them like the arcane archeologist, or they have some prop that cannot possibly blend in with nature like the researcher, or they've got blonde hair over a black vest over white sleeves. The endgame is instead of having good skins mixed in with mediocre and bad skins, you get nothing but mediocre and bad skins.
  3. Because the point is to make something people want to buy. Guess who are the best selling skins when no sales are going on? Cain, Reptillian, and the Bone Doctor. Guess which skins nobody buys unless they're heavily discounted? The Researcher, the Rat, Llorona's Heir, and The Revenant.
vague patio
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weve really seen it, its every skin that vaguely is camod that gets the hate

fierce iron
pliant wren
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And they "changed" him months ago as well and nobody stopped complaining.

fierce iron
fierce iron
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pliant wren
fierce iron
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And not only for color blind, I can assure you

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yeah, depends what do you mean about drastic on a skin, but they have to change it, starting to remove the stupid backpack obstructing the view from behind & breaking the silhouette

pliant wren
fierce iron
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I agree, i'm maybe too drastic, because i'm tired of this freaking skin, but yeah ^^

pliant wren
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Not only that, I have no doubt that all the complaining about Cain is why they screwed the pooch so hard on the Witch Hunter. I don't know if anyone noticed, but she's made to contrast everything. From the side, you're going to see a bright white stripe on a back blackground, from an elevated position Yellow on black. There is no angle without massive contrast on this model. And not only that, when your hunter runs with a rifle, they hold it in front of them, arms swinging left and right. Which with her means she's going to have two bright stripes crossing against a black background. That's right, a Witch Hunter sprinting at you will literally be a strobe light.

fierce iron
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to me, it's not fair that it's only one skin that has that level of greyscale & a backpack, I'm still conviced that the backpack should be removed

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the main problem of Cain is the lack of contrast, that's what i'm saying, it's blending too perfectly, even the other 'camo' skin are not that effective, and it's a problem with a paid DLC. They even said that the DLC are pure cosmetic, so they should not affect gameplay this hard.

queen jungle
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literally no point in having this argument when the devs already announced they’re changing him

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and have changed the way they go about making skins to take visibility more into account

fierce iron
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yeah and why not temporary disable it then. it's been so many month now and no ETA.

queen jungle
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because it’s not that much of an issue

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there’s plenty of tier 3s that can camo very well

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it’s not even something really unique to Cain

fierce iron
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That level of Camo IS unique to Cain Imo but whatever

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Looking forward to see 1.8 ^^

queen jungle
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no it isn’t

pliant wren
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Tier 3s are basically the same shade as Cain.

queen jungle
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you don’t even know if the devs have implemented the ability to disable certain skins yet demand it

fierce iron
queen jungle
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it’d be a weird thing to implement since skins don’t really have many mechanics that can break - which is what those kinds of features are reserved for, something literally mechanically broken

fierce iron
queen jungle
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read up on camo theory lol

fierce iron
queen jungle
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broken as in literally bugged and does not work

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not broken as in you think it’s too strong

fierce iron
# queen jungle one single colour is not good for camouflage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE54LY21nt4

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I asked my non-hunt friends to find Cain

Hello!

This was not made with the intent to make a video so it's a very organic reaction by them.

Cain is pain.

Cain is a very cool hunter with a cracked appearance but the association that has been made with him is a lil tilting for me. The homies thankfully listened and entertained me with this great conversation, thank you gamers :)

I can...

▶ Play video
queen jungle
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please actually learn what words mean before you use them

fierce iron
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english is not my native language, sorry for that🙂

queen jungle
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broken is not interchangeable with overpowered

pliant wren
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Yeah, and linking a single instance doesn't prove he's invisible, I can link an entire video of Psychoghost downing Cain after Cain.

fierce iron
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yeah I know, but the feature would benefit both broken things and OP things

pliant wren
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It was the theme of the video.

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It's not broken though, do you even know why he's that shade, why he's got the backpack?

fierce iron
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?

pliant wren
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Those are the bones of his dead family, and he's covered in their ashes.

fierce iron
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Lol, do you even know how to think and what are the steps to make a game ? Especially an FPS, you think about the balance and AFTER you think about the lore, not the opposite,
I don't care about the lore if the game as stupid design decisions...

pliant wren
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Yeah, it's obvious you don't care.

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So if he's not grey anymore, what's his new lore going to be?

fierce iron
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wow ok, you don't even think as a developper pov. you don't know the job of a game designer.
And If you make a mistake you fix it. the lore comes after all of that. It will be modified, or tweaked with little changes that's all.

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lore is not an excuse to not fix the mistakes 😄

pliant wren
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No, I think as a developer making the spooky swamp game named 'HUNT,' i'd listen to people who want it to be Call of Duty Swamp Edition as little as possible. See, I have a better solution than nerfing Cain and making all the skins super visible so you can get your 360 no-scopes. As a dev, I would think the legendary hunters have a tiny bit of common sense and come to a hunting grounds wearing something to blend in.

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Don't nerf Cain, buff the other legendaries. Make them all competitive. Then you have balance.

fierce iron
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I don't want Cain to be 'super visible' I want it to be more in line with other, it's not the same.
Always drastic about interpreting other peoples words eh ?

fierce iron
pliant wren
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You literally posted a video where you were upset that you weren't able to shoot a cain with your sniper rifle a second after seeing him.

unborn smelt
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I'd say more in line with other is very subjective

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Cain is pretty in line with other T3 hunters

pliant wren
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^ this

unborn smelt
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And many legendaries are T2 at best and many dont get played because they're essentially a T1 or even worse than T1 hunters

fierce iron
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"I would think the legendary hunters have a tiny bit of common sense and come to a hunting grounds wearing something to blend in."
once more, "lore" before game design ^^ you don't even listen what i'm trying to say here, game designers are not thinking that way man

unborn smelt
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Looking at revenant, night seer and acolyte and phantom

pliant wren
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unborn smelt
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Hence me saying its very subjective

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I dont mind them reworking some aspects of him

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But the P2W accusations and OP discussions are just scapegoats why it wasnt their own fault, imo.

Because i'm 100% certain more often than not they wouldnt see a stationary T3 either

fierce iron
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fierce iron
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whatever, i'm looking forward to see the fix, even tiny that can make a difference.

queen jungle
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if they wanted to go p2w then there wouldn't be hunters like phantom who stick out like a sore thumb
and the devs don't seem that desperate to get people to spend another 5 bucks for cain...

fierce iron
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queen jungle
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they've already said they're fixing cain

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and that they've used what they learned from cain for each new skin release

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like devils advocate having the brighter leather straps and red facemask

fierce iron
queen jungle
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i personally don't really think he's a problem and i don't have difficulty seeing him

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but others do and they're changing him based off so many people complaining

crystal plume
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Other people have made me dislike Cain purely because of so many people thinking it makes them invisible and just spamming that hunter, but still I have no issues seeing him

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So it's less about me hating Cain and more about disliking people who use Cain HuntRee

fierce iron
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there is definitely this with me too, but I still think it's not in line with others

crystal plume
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Reptilian and headsman are harder to see especially in darker areas

queen jungle
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the ghillie tier 3s can be harder to see in certain situations too

fierce iron
#

my clip was just here to take out my frustration & maybe have and ETA on 1.8 because i'm tired of the skin ^^

pliant wren
#

I'd add Gunslinger to that list for dark rooms as well.

fierce iron
queen jungle
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its more that he's become known as that plus its easy to get him every game

fierce iron
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true

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that said, thanks for the conversation guys 😄 Looking forward to 1.8
sorry if I sounded tilted

pliant wren
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No worries, have a good night/day.

fierce iron
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thanks !

unborn smelt
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See ya have a great time

fierce iron
pliant wren
#

@unborn panther The suggestion is a little confusing. Do you mean it would work exclusively like a sound trap, or that it would just make you fire, giving away your position? Cause I'd be for a sort of Tier 2 AI that comes out after a set amount of time as long as they gave appropriately increased XP.

calm hawk
#

its also possible that one different monitors different hunters are harder to see

unborn smelt
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Lower resolution os bad, choppy fps is worse

calm hawk
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yeah but i kinda assume everyone plays on low everything + medium obj or high

unborn smelt
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And if you get screentear goodluck seeing anything

calm hawk
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👀 i get screen tear sometimes

unborn smelt
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On my old rig i had screentear, making it so not evwn movement gives away hunters, and stuttery fps on low settings

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I didnt see the fucking revenant

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New rig and i can spot just about any cain with a bit of patience and rather easy if they move

calm hawk
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i cant spot cain in screenshots

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but in game i can spot him

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i just have trouble seeing his head because of his backpack from some angles

pure quest
hasty birch
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@rapid wren both cases are valid issues

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had the ping spam issue several times

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and had a lot of cases where the ping marker was completely invisible

unborn smelt
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you want T3 - reach hunter lvl 30

pure quest
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I don't know what exactly, but i'm in favor of making either all skins of a similar shade, either light or dark/brown colored

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there's an issue with visibility of some skins, especially in the new map

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not exclusive to cain though, although he is slightly worse than others

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but i have just as much trouble spotting that Reptile dude or the Hangman or whatever their names are

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the legendaries overal seem to be slightly worse in visibility then the T3 ones, mainly because its also not RNG which skin you will get

surreal orbit
# calm hawk but in game i can spot him

in game he’s usually moving, making sound, and plus you’re more aware of your surroundings and you’re able to move around and move your camera

in the “find the cain” bullshit screenshots it’s an EXTREMELY cherry picked frame in which 99% of the time Cain is heavily blurred due to them selecting a single frame out of a video, and he’s in a place where any regular hunter would have killed you anyways

calm hawk
#

with that said the time i take to spot him is far longer than other hunters, likewise for headsman and reptilian situationally

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i can imagine someone who has a worse monitor or something may not see him at all

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or someone who didnt tweak their monitor setting/ game settings

royal wraith
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bundle discounts are not available for all regions, did they forget to put it everywhere else or they did it in purpose?

queen jungle
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Hacker infested

unborn panther
hoary mortar
burnt mulch
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@late wind the uppercut stands out because it fills multiple niches in a way that is unmatched by any other gun.
The combination of flexible utility and lack of competition from other sidearms is why it's so popular, not pure power.

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also, you decided to make bold statements as if they are true without supporting them properly.

late wind
late wind
burnt mulch
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a trait is not a solution to game design.

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by that logic, why do clues glow red if serpent exists?

unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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I'm not saying it's a current problem, but there are a lot of "problems" that exist that aren't manifested due to the playerbase.

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if everyone was playing optimally, this game would be a dumpster fire.

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"players will optimize the fun out of a game if they are allowed to" it's the job of a game designer to create a system in which that can't happen

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and I never said that it was a problem I said that it's small pp lmao. you're the one putting words in my mouth.

#

I don't think token camping is healthy

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anyway we're getting derailed

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please refrain from attacking my character while trying to defend your point.

unborn smelt
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So lets set a few things straight here.

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The Dolch afaik had more than 2% playrate at a whole 4% overall playrate. The Uppercut has had over 50% playrate in top ELO at that point in time the info was given out. Which was in the livestream with the Dolch nerf IIRC.

burnt mulch
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and if the hope was a revolving-door strategy like Path of Exile does, playrate would be a sole reason for a nerf.

unborn smelt
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So while the 2 aren't directly comparable - the base of what Stag was saying still holds true, Dolch was never the scource of high elo lobbies as people claimed, more than half the people played Uppercut and the dolch didn't have exceptionally high lethality either

burnt mulch
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the "problem" with the uppercut's playrate is that nothing else comes close to what the uppercut does, not that the uppercut is so strong that it dominates.

unborn smelt
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Next @late wind you'r not the one to tell people to get out of a specific channel - however @burnt mulch i can't see him "attack your character" in any way either...

burnt mulch
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Dude you said token camping is a problem when serpent exists. Get out of here.
he's trying to invalidate my point by telling me that my opinion on this topic is invalid because of something completely unrelated.

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call that what you want

unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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the dolch is not competition to the uppercut.

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they fulfil completely different roles

unborn smelt
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It was - now it's not anymore

burnt mulch
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no

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they have different purposes

unborn smelt
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they are both top choices for high end pistols

burnt mulch
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that's too general of a statement

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you need to think about use case and niches

unborn smelt
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yes they don't serve the same role but that alone doesn't mean they don't compete

burnt mulch
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it means that if I'm considering an uppercut, I'm not going to just consider a dolch as a replacement.

unborn smelt
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We know for a fact that long ammo rifles are more common than pretty much any other category

burnt mulch
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when I build a loadout for an uppercut, I'm not thinking bout whether I should bring a dolch instead.

unborn smelt
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so if the niche thing is right the Dolch should have head a way higehr playrate then the upper

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yet it never had

burnt mulch
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because long ammo is still dominant and the dolch is expensive.

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if something is that expensive it's not going to get played often, that's how price balancing works

unborn smelt
pliant wren
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Obrez is the closest thing to a competitor to the uppercut, and you need a perk to bring it with another large weapon.

burnt mulch
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you're twisting my words.

unborn smelt
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people can sit there and defend the Uppercut as much as they want - but all actual facts point to it being to strong and definetly deserving of a nerf

burnt mulch
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please show me these "actual facts" that make it deserving of a nerf instead of indicating a power vacuum in the midrange niche of the uppercut.
because all you've said is playrate and that's open to interpretation.

burnt mulch
unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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I don't have to, because I'm not defending the dolch nerf.

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you're the one who assumed that

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I haven't said anything about the dolch

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you're gonna have to tell me why I have to defend that because as far as I can see, this is more derailment.

unborn smelt
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As for facts regarding the Uppercut needing a smol bonk - while playrate alone isn't enough even in my opinion over 50% in top elo is so far from balanced it warrants a nerf. Maybe not only a nerf but also not no nerf at all.
then if we start comparing it to it's closest counterparts, the other 6 shooters, it deals abnormally much dmg (104 to 110 and then a huge gap to 130) it has abnormally much ammo (18 spare compact, 12 spare medium but the uppercut retained the outdated 9 spare thats a remnant of the times long ammo had 15 rounds total) It's the only handgun to deal over 130 dmg, all that while being a 6 round repeating firearm and it's quite literally a pocket vetterli

burnt mulch
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it's a pocket vetterli at close range. damage falloff for long ammo is harsh.

unborn smelt
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many of the same resons that led to the Dolch nerf - apply the same or even more to the uppercut. It's abnormally strong for the price, slot size and performance in general. and it undercuts a lot of other weapons niches like some rifles and essentially all medium slot rifles

burnt mulch
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alright I see where you're going at with the dolch comparison now

unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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the problem with the dolch being too powerful is the dolch creates a niche that the developers do not want to promote in the game, which is precise spam fire at range.

unborn smelt
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But it gets access to fanning, it's a smol slot it gets nmore base pen

burnt mulch
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the uppercut does not have such niches.

steady vapor
burnt mulch
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the vetterli is also just.. a worse mosin.

unborn smelt
pliant wren
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Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a long ammo carbine that started as a medium weapon and had a variant that was cut down to a small.

unborn smelt
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The devs backed down after people cried for years

burnt mulch
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what, dualies?

steady vapor
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I think buffing medium ammo damage dropoff slightly ~15 meters would be more immedietely needed than uppercut nerf

unborn smelt
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and they made clear that originally they wanted the Dolch in the top spot, and that according to usage data it was not an issue

burnt mulch
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the dolch is still disproportionately powerful, but long ammo rifles is better.

unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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nothing is stronger than the ability to invalidate your opponents combined with the ability to choose your fights.

steady vapor
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Nothing really brutal about disagreeing, I think 10 meter medium ammo inc effective range before dropoff would be very reasonable

unborn smelt
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The Uppercut is the single most imbalanced thing in hunt rn. And the last stats we were shown are proof.
How to tackle the issue can be diffrent it doesn't have to be nerf it into the ground like the Dolch was nerfed.

burnt mulch
#

you've still not actually supported that statement

unborn smelt
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Oh i have.

burnt mulch
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list them clearly then.

pliant wren
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He posted an entire paragraph that did and you ignored it.

unborn smelt
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the playrate alone is enough to support the fact it's damn imbalanced in the current state

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I've not supported the fact it needs massive nerfs, because i don#t think it should be nerfed massively

burnt mulch
unborn smelt
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that's what i said in the sentence "how to tackle the issue can differ"

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you can introduce new stuff - yes

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you can buff the competition

pliant wren
burnt mulch
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lmao

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let me just wildly claim shit all over and if you don't refute some of them I can claim I won?

unborn smelt
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But no matter what you do the fact you have to to do something means the Upper is not in a balanced state right now

burnt mulch
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please.

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a buff to the competition isn't a nerf to the uppercut, it's a nerf to the uppercut's playrate.

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only a buff to the uppercut's counters (whatever form that might take) is a nerf to the uppercut.

pliant wren
unborn smelt
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I'm not saying it needs a nerf

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but i say it would definetly deserve one

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It would "need" a nerf if compensation buffs aren't enough alone

burnt mulch
steady vapor
#

Anyone know when next update is

unborn smelt
#

"deserving" a nerf can mean it's way to popular for good variety and one of the possible solutions is a nerf

burnt mulch
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that's just semantics

unborn smelt
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I personally would love to see a mix of nerfs and new competition.
bring it in line with the other 6 shooters, for example cut down the ammo reserve to 6 spare

pliant wren
#

Popular semantics

burnt mulch
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you're saying that '"deserving" a nerf' means that it doesn't necessarily warrant a nerf as a solution.

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twisty semantics.

unborn smelt
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Because i don't think adding tonns of equally OP sidearms and then needing to buff everything else to compensate is good

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ANd while generally i'm always on the side of buff over nerfs

burnt mulch
#

that's just fearmongering over a slippery slope.

unborn smelt
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it doesn't get any more obvious than over 50% playrates in top elo, that this gun in it's current state is not just slightly out of tune

burnt mulch
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and, like I said, the gun is used because it's flexible.
shotguns use it for long range capability
long ammo uses it for ammo
but do shotguns use it for ammo, and do long ammo use it for long range capability?

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each niche that the uppercut fills is not problematic in and of itself

unborn smelt
burnt mulch
#

is this just variety for the sake of variety?

unborn smelt
#

you'd either make all other sidearms potent enough to get playrates somewhat in check for all of them or you bonk the Uppercut to make it not so good at everything

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or you do a combination of both which is my favorite

burnt mulch
#

... look.

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if I had, theoretically, two different pistols that filled the uppercut's niches, a gun good at long range and a gun that can hold ammo
and I replaced the uppercut with those two pistols today

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would that change anything?

unborn smelt
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like we have what 19 weapon families as competition to the uppercut so we'd roughly want 5% playrate on each weapon family

burnt mulch
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now that is variety for the sake of variety.

unborn smelt
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maybe some go up to 10% some down to 1% that's ofc fine

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But the Uppercut beats all others combined in top ELO

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that's neither good for balance nor variety

burnt mulch
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that has nothing to do with balance

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that's literally just variety

unborn smelt
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Well yes it has to do with variety

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and with balance

burnt mulch
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you literally just talked about playrate and nothing else

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that's just variety

unborn smelt
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because it's not balanced if it's this dominant in the Meta

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unborn smelt
burnt mulch
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it's an indicator, and I gave the reason why it's an indicator and not a bloody cause and effect.

unborn smelt
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your arguments boil down to don't nerf it because you can add new stuff or buff existing stuff.

which is fine and all, and yes that's possibly a way to balance it without nerfing it

burnt mulch
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dude

unborn smelt
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But you have to do balance changes to get the upper in line with the rest

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that in itself means it's as of right now imbalanced

burnt mulch
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I'm literally done. you barely acknowledge anything that I say in favor of an imaginary strawman.

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and drive on with statement after statement without allowing me to talk

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and twist both my words and your own to appear on top after everything is done

unborn smelt
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Well you literally just say no i disagree

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how is that not balance

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what is the purpose of game balance

burnt mulch
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to keep things fair and fun.

unborn smelt
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well it fails at that

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the many people that started complaining about the uppercut loose a lot of fun when going against more than 6 uppercuts each match

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they get really bored of it

burnt mulch
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the problem is that you're moving the goalposts.

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redefining your statements so that you're correct in the end isn't winning a goddamn argument

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"the uppercut is deserving of a nerf" is a completely different statement than "the uppercut is too prevalent and I would like to see more variety"

unborn smelt
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My statements stayed the exact same

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"the uppercut is too prevalent and I would like to see more variety" This is the cause for me saying "the uppercut is deserving of a nerf" this

burnt mulch
#

and yet in your definition of "deserving a nerf" you also say that "a nerf is not necessarily the solution"

unborn smelt
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The uppercut is, as factually prooven by the info the devs gave out, too opressive on the variety and by extention of the resons given for the Dolch nerfs (supposed too high playrates) it's not good for the Meta

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thus it would be deserving of a nerf

burnt mulch
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nah I'm done. you can go define statements in the dictionary.

unborn smelt
#

And i'm not saying all they should do is nerf the uppercut - that's where my argument differs. I'm saying while adding new stuff they should also nerf the uppercut slightly

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That's literally what i've been saying from the very beginning

burnt mulch
#

then you've done a real poor job of it.

rocky orchid
#

the best nerf for the uppercut and not to completly fuck it up is that you decrease the "zoom" when you ADS so it makes it way harder to aim with it at longer distances

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good players could still use it, because people like archie shoot no scope anyways and are playing on another level as most people, like me and others

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if you touch the ammo pool it wouldnt fit the long ammo (15 ammo cap)

burnt mulch
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@thorn relic sorry dude but if you did a search for "alofs" or literally exactly the url that you posted you'd find a pile of the same suggestion. people are tired of it.

rocky orchid
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if you touch damage, people would complain

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you could also maybe increase the recoil even more or get it way more sway..

unborn smelt
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to be fair if they touch the uppercut at all people will complain

rocky orchid
eager widget
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Uppercut's the prized pistol of Hunt Showdown.

burnt mulch
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if they touch anything people will complain.

unborn smelt
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when they incresed reload time people wen't mental and said it was dead

rocky orchid
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at one point but it should be touched

unborn smelt
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turns sout it still had over 50% in top elo

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As much as i used to hate the uppercut

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i hate the trend of nerfing everything in the ground even more

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And if the Uppercut is the first gun to change that recent trend then so be it

rocky orchid
#

honestly i am bad at aiming and shooting with dolch (before and after nerf), BUT.. what they did to the dolch is insane.. they fucked it completly up

unborn smelt
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They did - but i'm not mad either

rocky orchid
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like i always say.. the reload animation looks like a 90 year old granny is realoading it with athrosis..

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the sway of dolch alone had been enough for it

unborn smelt
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while i never thought the Dolch was Actually OP - the fact the next best contender was so much cheaper at less than half the price, and all others were about a seventh or even less of the price i think it deserved to be toned down to reduce the frustration

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but then the price etc should have dropped accordingly too

rocky orchid
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so i guess.

uppercut less some on ads and slower reload.. that should be enough.. even increase the price to 400

rocky orchid
#

i never got that why all people complaining about it.. sure.,.. i also hated it to get two tapped from it..

BUT.. it is way more stressful to get two tapped by fucking rng dualies or even one tap headshot at 70m.. instead of get killed by dolch or bornheim

unborn smelt
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i think the best way to describe what i mean is the frustration of fighting the Dolch was feeling like you run into a 750 Hunt-dollar paywall

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and to a degree i think it's the same for the Uppercut right now

pliant wren
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I just hate seeing it all the time. In my opinion if there's a problem with it, it's that it's the most effective way of upping the ammo pool on a large long ammo primary. Need another small long ammo option.

late wind
sacred sparrow
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it's funny to see that the attitude in gaming in general went from "oh my god he's doing something crazy, I want to learn how to do that" to "oh my god he's doing something crazy, let's make sure that's not possible anymore"

late wind
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Nah. The attitude went to: "Let's make sure everyone can do equal or greater without any effort."

sacred sparrow
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Yes, that as well. "Skill gap" became a dirty term right? God forbid people getting an advantage because of practice and experience.

late wind
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Better put in a gun, gadget, or other ability that ensures even a mediocre player can match or outperform someone who put time in.

Surely they won't get abused by sweats.

sacred sparrow
#

Ah well. Let's drop the subject 😄 the pitchforks are about to come out for sure. Games change, Crytek chose the desired direction and audience. The original playerbase is disappearing because what drew them to Hunt has largely disappeared from the game too. It's all good. Just looking forward to a game that can offer what Hunt did in the beginning. Playing EFT more and more, it doesn't have the same atmosphere or audio quality, but there's many upsides as well.

steady vapor
# sacred sparrow Ah well. Let's drop the subject 😄 the pitchforks are about to come out for sure...

They've recently nerfed the dolch, dualies, fanning, levering, explosive crossbow, explosives in general no longer do reduced teammate damage. Idk what kinda fantasy land circlejerk you are on about lowering the skill ceiling. Because money is easier to come by? Not a fan myself but surely nobody who played the game at the level you are jerking yourself off over never had issues with money to begin with

sacred sparrow
#

Wow, you must be a treasure to have at parties. Big mouth on the internet straight out the gate 😄 I'll just ignore you and let you enjoy seeing yourself type.

burnt mulch
#

enters the chat
lowkey insults the "attitude of gamers nowadays"
takes the high ground when someone disagrees

late wind
# steady vapor They've recently nerfed the dolch, dualies, fanning, levering, explosive crossbo...

The dolch nerf was a meme because it was already useless. Explosives are still exvellent. You just can't be totally brainless anymore. The dualies recoil nerf did basically nothing, as you can still easily keep shots on target. And the fanning/levering nerf actually improved standing accuracy, since they compromised between standing and crouching accuracy as a fixed value that makes crouched hipfire less accurate and standing hipfire more accurate.

steady vapor
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the fun at parties thing is a tired reddit cliche and would be more apt pointed at those who want to nerf everything into oblivion until we are left with combat axes

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Levering fanning and shotguns are part of the game idk what to tell you guys

stoic vapor
#

@vernal magnet you are a masochist if you want that cerberus boss

maiden pelican
#

By far and away

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if there were a $120 (price negotiable) small slot martini or something I think people would jump all over it

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The most they should do to the uppercut is put it to 124 damage

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Would stop it from 2 shotting everything except leg+leg within 20 meters

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though I would argue give long ammo pistols dropoff starting at 30 meters

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so the new pistol could techincally 2 shot within that to the leg

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by doing 140 damage

spice topaz
#

It is funny that as someone who never buys an uppercut I don't see a problem here. Sure you find them lying around every match on dead corpses. As Nibblewerfer stated, add another long ammo revolver and whoops there goes the playrate. Sure a small damage reduction wouldn't hurt but why? To me Dolch deserved to be nerfed because it just doesn't fit the game and regardless of any nerfs it is still the fastest (aimed) double tap. I do wonder if anyone honestly feels more frustrated by getting killed by an uppercut than by dualie pew pew pew. Bring back the Pax, there's a goal for sidearm changes.

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Reduce the sway on obrez? Even though that kind of an abomination should have some sway.

vague patio
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regarding that uppercut got nerfed twice already, i guess yes

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problem is, new pistol wouldnt do anything. except maybe make the ammopool problem worse

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the uppercut is just consistently too good

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it does give any space for other sidearms

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its either almost every sidearm needs buffs or upper needs slight rework

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124 damage and better range shouldve always been the solution

queen jungle
#

@tardy prairie Please use the bug report channels to report weapons falling through the floor and keep #game-ideas for new features only

waxen elm
#

I would have talked to the wrong group because of all my problems in the game, my headshots don't count and some opponents don't want to die, they eat too much and more

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Sorry wrong videos the second one should be it

wind stream
#

^

waxen elm
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Then the round made me one shot with the same gun with normal ammunition from 15 m

rocky orchid
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dude you shooting metal there.. without fmj there is no penetration, even with long ammo

waxen elm
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I think the supply truck should be hidden on the map and the ammo box is only one. It's annoying how much spitzal muni can take with you

wind stream
rocky orchid
#

the issue of all these clips is.. you "think" that they should had all hit.. you aim is just bad in every clip and you dont hit your shots..

thats the main reason.. get better aim.. and you hit your targets..

and i am not saying that my aim is even better

wind stream
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if anything its showing how precise the hitboxes are imo

waxen elm
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Ok thanks for teaching me one thing better

wind stream
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I had tons of moments where I was confused, but when I watched the clips it usually makes sense

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but it wont hurt to check and if you ever have a clip of a hitreg issue make sure to report that

rocky orchid
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yeah... i cant count the many situations where i was.. DUDE what the fuck.. that was a clear hit... no.. i was just sloppy at the shot

waxen elm
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Ok

waxen elm
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What about the clip because it was head or not?

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Unfortunately no, I have to ask colleagues if he can send it to me

pearl echo
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was reading the suggestions and noticed the springfield bayonet. thatd really give the Springfield some versatility

rocky orchid
# waxen elm

dude.. honestly.. feedback discussion is not their to analyse every missed shot from you.. also the video is captured by a zoomed smartphone camera?! what we are suppossed to see with this ?!

oak quartz
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"Make Both game modes the same MMR but keep KD Separate."

Ahm... What? Both mods have same MMR and different KD.

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@naive oriole

naive oriole
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Bah I'm dyslexic my bad

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You know what I ment..

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unborn smelt
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And where do you take the info from that it's this model

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As opposed to a Montgomery "Texas Ranger" as shown in the vid i sent

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I mean the barrel markings are also remarkably similar to what i sent

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You're right that they didn't model an extractor, however the pictures indicate it's the shotgun i sent ( hammer above not below as on the Model 37, diffrent handguard and exposed hinge mechanism)

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Or it's a fictional firearm loosely based off the examples where it's also perfectly valid to have an automatic extractor

native lodge
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Nitro, rival, and romero, can have ejectors, but ejectors just don't fling hot shells and or brass out of the barrel they just make it easier to grab the end to pull them out

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so I kinda see both sides of this here

unborn smelt
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And i'd rather prefer they model an extractor (or don#t waste time on this right now) rather than change the entire reload animation

unborn smelt
native lodge
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yes my mistake most would have an extractor

unborn smelt
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sry mistake in english

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ejector is the one that spits out

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extractor is the one that just makes it easier

native lodge
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yeah and I pretty certain extractors are much more common, as it makes it easier to unload a shell you never used

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and not have fling out on to the ground

unborn smelt
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Oh yeah that is propably right

native lodge
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that being said int he case of the romero, you could break and twist it just right and the shell would fall out if a bit awkwardly

unborn smelt
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But since the romero is either based of the shotgun i sent or fully fictional it's perfectly valid to be an ejector rather than extractor

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you even hear the springloaded ejector pretty clearly in the vid

native lodge
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but it would be a weird animation and I don't see the point in changing it now

native lodge
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ConcernedFrogeHat just so I don't confuse anyone

unborn smelt
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If it were accurate i wouldn't mind a changed animation TBH

native lodge
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well you could point a shotgun like a romero at the sky and shake the shell out if you really need to quickly clear the chamber

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honestly pretty easy on something like a romero, where the nitro you probably would just want to pull them out by hand

naive oriole
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@tough topaz I feel like the people that disagree with our ideas are the ping abusers themselves haha

tough topaz
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One would think its a given..

naive oriole
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@queen jungle just like none of the revolvers in the game. Apparently don't have any extractors either

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Not in the game haha

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@queen jungle yeah exactly, and the "ramero" would have An extractor, Not ejector. But meh I guess the devs have no idea

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@native lodge They had extractors, Not throwing empty hulls out, just popping them out of the chamber enough to grab them. Ejectors are the ones that toss them

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I feel like the Terminus or 1887 lever shot gun should have a drop 2 option on empty, I own one of these shotguns, It's super easy to stack 2 shells on top of each other pushing them straight down in the action, The bottom one goes into the magazine the top one sits in the chamber mouth. When you close the lever, You have around in the chamber and one in the tube. Would be a cool feature

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Would have to be different animations I suppose, I don't think the Crown and king needs this though haha

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Really hard to make out in this low resolution.

sacred sparrow
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That's a clear miss. He's moving to the right, and you even shoot left of his head and slightly above. Even if you aimed straight on him, him moving to the right would have made you miss

queen jungle
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He stands 5 feet away from me, still, I have my 6 shooter pax with me with fanning, I rhythmically began fanning my revolver, the crosshair never leaving him. Not a single shot hits him.
I am so close to just uninstalling.

sacred sparrow
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Clip? 😉

queen jungle
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"This is hunt, our cowboy game, but god forbid you think of it that way, cause it's actually a 1909 civil war simulator."

pliant wren
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They nerfed fanning, levering, and dual wield, they're next to useless now.

smoky mica
sacred sparrow
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LOL, hook me up as well, cause the nerf hardly did anything 😄 😄 😄

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Maybe Crytek is paying him to say that, has to be

pliant wren
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Explained it a while back, did testing with lanterns above dog pens, the majority of the time, bullets will hit on the outer half of the reticle. It typically takes 4-7 shots to hit a lantern that takes up the center 50% of the reticle while dual wielding now. It's basic probability, like betting on black on roulette. It should happen in the first 2 shots, 3rd if you're unlucky, 4th if you're insanely unlucky, 5th is near impossible without some kind of interference, beyond that and the roulette game is rigged enough to be prosecuted under most state's gambling laws. Go ahead, go try it yourself. Put the lantern in the center about 15 meters out. I've done it 3 times since the nerf, searching out 3 lanterns each time, none of them popped in the first two shots the way they should.

late wind
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@queen jungle @naive oriole I love that dual loading idea. It could also work on the lebel as well.

naive oriole
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@late wind You're completely right

late wind
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The 1887 and the Lebel currently need all the help they can get lmao.

rocky orchid
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@little scroll we should start a petition on your idea.. i absolutly agree on this!

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the links are different lol

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But they do play for fun when they run avtomat, nobody would use this rng gun when they want to sweat

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2: shortbow, faster arrow draw. less damage. Can still sprint with the arrow primed (hip fire).```
vague patio
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everyone's a sweat but me

little scroll
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i see, thats a new viewpoint for me tho

plush ledge
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First of all we would have to agree on a definition for sweaty try hard. For many guys you're already on this level when you don't run a silencer pair and walk over the map like a brain afk monke

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I play this game for pvp only and go active for it, also I want to win the match does this make me already a try hard?

austere stone
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I'm a 4/5 star that uses whatever the legendary hunter dictates

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Iron repeater? Cool. Winfield time!

sacred sparrow
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I just always go with sparks (sniper) upper lately. most satisfying to me

austere stone
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Winny marksman has been sweet for me for absolutely no reason.

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As of recent.

little scroll
austere stone
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Quartermaster bow + Marksman is yum

plush ledge
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What I think it's funny is that you most of the time can tell the elo rating by just looking at the loadout

sacred sparrow
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well, there's people sitting doing nothing and actively moving in each mmr

plush ledge
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That's true I guess what he meant was more that people in 3 or 4 stars like to crouch around in the open confused what happens around them and their first reaction when they get shot at is to stop moving and crouch behind something to stay there and do nothing at all

sacred sparrow
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that's definitely true

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plush wraith
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can you please make sure Cain is as visible at least as the other characters? It is very annoying...

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thanks

vague patio
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LITERALYthe patchnotes

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bad example btw

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Is there any roadmap or official statement about upgrading servers from 30HZ to 40HZ or 60HZ? I consider this issue extremely important to keep the hunt fair and fun. I truly appreciate any feedback on this, so we can know what to expect in the short term, or maybe there are no plans into giving us a better server performance because the high costs of it? Thanks in advance for kind response!```Attachments:
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The sound of the winfield slate is cool but it makes it very hard to hear what is going on around you, regardless of how far away the shot is. The echo is so loud that it can be difficult to pinpoint where the shot came from. Toning it down would likely help with clarity.

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ew

ionic kernel
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another typo here, can't post in #feedback due to the 30min timeout

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that’s a fair point. but the officer brawler is also a direct upgrade to the base officer no?

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the maybe add sway to the spitfire brawler?

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hmm i would imagine placing the middle finger on the first knuckle loop? might be less comfortable but possible?

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Just joined this discord, and I'm sure it's been brought up before... but I am here to say that REGION LOCK needs to happen.  Or at least an OPTION to play region locked matches.  I don't mind waiting longer for a match to know that it will be a quality match.  There are two obvious reasons:```
warm zephyr
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@covert bloom it's confirmed literally a few hours ago

covert bloom
warm zephyr
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dev stream

plush ledge
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When this hits live you need to find a new excuse why you lost, I guess from there it will be hackers everywhere?

covert bloom
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No, almost all the hackers are from other regions as well. So it's 2 birds with one stone 🙂

plush ledge
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I'm still curious what the excuses from those guys crying ping abuse will be from now on. It's kinda hilarious when you see guys like Dela claim your mates being from the other end of the world and ping abusers while they play with a ping below 10. Almost like the whole ping abuse topic is pure BS and crytek only did something so the people don't cry about it anymore

covert bloom
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I don't know about ping abuse or whatever else you're talking about. What I know is that myself and my friends who live near me can call with 100% accuracy when we are fighting someone from another region. The high ping means you have to change your point of aim because they are not where they appear to be. This is something everyone who's been playing for enough hours can confirm. If you weren't getting an advantage from playing in other people's servers, then why are you doing it? Why not just stay in your own region.

plush ledge
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You realize that the hit reg in hunt is client side right? You don't need to lead extra for high ping players it just takes longer for you to get a hit marker aka server side hit validation. When you lead more when you think a guy has high ping its no wonder why you miss

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Advantage for peeking is real tho but that works both ways, the guy actively peeking has the advantage

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Sadly many guys believe in this BS with high ping equals advantage but it's only a very lame excuse why they lost the match

vague patio
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really think that ""ping abuse"" complains gets out of hand, and dont understand why the devs actually listened to that

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so much bad faith and ignorance

calm hawk
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the trade window shit led to an increase in those complaints

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as for devs , well they make most of their profit from na and eu

plush ledge
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It's easier to please those guys who cry about it with some placebo than explain it to them and hope they understand what you're talking about especially with streamers like Delacroix spreading this BS

calm hawk
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streamers are a big factor tooo, at this point if populat streamers with dedicated fanbase ask for anything it just simply gets done

plush ledge
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I wouldn't be surprised when they end up with blocking you from the server when you have above 200 or 300 ping

vague patio
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fuck peoplewith bad connections i guess

calm hawk
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i wonder if its gonna be spike based

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cus none of us ever have ping spikes am i right

plush ledge
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I doubt they come up with only below 80 ping due to how fucked up hunt servers are they would block half the players from their original region

vague patio
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ima be real curious how they want to do it. Got a friend from eu who plays on eu who got a ok-ish ping,which by people here have been stated would be conisder bad or downright ping abuse

plush ledge
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Right now I would be blocked from EU servers while playing from Germany, I've a 250 ping from Germany to servers in Germany for some reason and play Russia with 60 instead

calm hawk
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damn ping abuser

vague patio
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hacker

plush ledge
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Say my name!

calm hawk
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well this stream has kinda confirmed a trend that has been going on for a while

distant trench
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I am quitting if EU and NA cant play together anymore

vague patio
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listen to whats loud

calm hawk
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devs cave to whining , they something is alright first and later change their statements

calm hawk
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if its some shit like you need a freind in the region to be able to que together then i dont care

vague patio
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like honestly,there were so many things, also cain change which i thinkare questionable at best but its fine. That thing has me first timeworried

plush ledge
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You don't play with me Buffed am I nothing to you?

calm hawk
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apperently we cant be friends cus we arent in the same region

distant trench
calm hawk
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i totally understand your position

plush ledge
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We could play on Russia together

vague patio
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i dont think they will stop amking cross region invites

calm hawk
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ye its gonna be you me and all the ai

vague patio
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that wuld hurtthe game a ton

calm hawk
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they might

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it probably wont hurt na and eu

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where most of their profits come from

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rest of us are probably not priority

distant trench
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complain loudly and daily

vague patio
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create a bot

plush ledge
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Just wait for them to announce how high your ping needs to be to be blocked

distant trench
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half the time ppl think I am ping abusing on American servers as an American because I have region set to japan for hate mail fun

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ping abuse is a meme

vague patio
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exactly

calm hawk
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yeah its usually like that

plush ledge
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Set your steam region to China and enjoy the salt

calm hawk
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set it to chinese in russia or russian in china

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next level salt farm

plush ledge
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That's overkill

calm hawk
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unbeatable combo

cunning shuttle
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realy that efin 3 min shit

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first shot.....

plush ledge
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Someone got lucky af

vague patio
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you cant balance luck

plush ledge
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I would try the same just for the luls

calm hawk
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man the update had so much cool stuff but that region lock shit completely poofed my enthusiasm in hunt, whats the point of content if you cant enjoy it with friends

distant trench
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then slapped in the face with region lock

plush ledge
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Didn't we just established that we both don't have friends buffed?

calm hawk
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frenemies*

distant trench
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nvr will be able to play with our Australian friend again lel

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fuck the ping whiners

calm hawk
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oh yeah

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the aussies

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the aussies and south Africans will probably suffer the most

covert bloom
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They specifically said there will be a universal server for people who want to play with far away friends.

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If you don't consider high ping an issue, then such a server is fine for you.

distant trench
covert bloom
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That's clearly not what they said. He said, and I quote "We want to make sure that one region is available to everybody."

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That means obviously that if you partner with people from other places, that region is available. Because you are everybody.

burnt mulch
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that's..

cunning shuttle
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lebel goes through here? we are joking right now i hope

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burnt mulch
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if I have NA available and my friend has EU available, then we both have one region available to us

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therefore "one region" is available to everybody, it's just not the same region.

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english my dude.

covert bloom
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That's not what he meant, obviously.

burnt mulch
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"obviously"

covert bloom
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Obviously

burnt mulch
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w/e you can keep your weird speculation until they release it.

covert bloom
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Wanna make a bet

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lol

burnt mulch
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sure.

distant trench
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that says nothing about cross region play

whole ridge
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Probably need to tone down the fire rate for the new pistol for dualies anyway

covert bloom
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I think you're wrong but it doesn't really matter. I'm thrilled not to play with far away laggy boys. I reckon that's what matters.

distant trench
covert bloom
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Let me guess, you don't play in your own region?

distant trench
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scroll up, I do

covert bloom
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n o

distant trench
covert bloom
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Well the developers and most of the community agree with me, so

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suck it?

distant trench
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yikes

burnt mulch
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"most of the community" where bro

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"developers" where bro

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ah fuck it no point

covert bloom
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The developers are adding region lock

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lol

whole ridge
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can you guys fight in DMs?

calm hawk
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the louder ones count more

covert bloom
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obviously

burnt mulch
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we're talking bout your "one universal server" thing

covert bloom
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we moved on

burnt mulch
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I'll just @ you when they release it and they just connect you to the nearest server.

covert bloom
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sorry bud

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I hope they do

distant trench
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the ping whiners are loud and so devs are catering to them. They are the same people that blame their team when they die

covert bloom
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I hope all the chinese and russian and brazillian cheaters have to stay in their own servers and fight 90% other cheaters too lol

distant trench
covert bloom
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it's a big part of it

calm hawk
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interesting

covert bloom
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For me, in any case. It's a big win

burnt mulch
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I feel like you're talking about something different than we are when you say "region lock"

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cuz they said nothing about region locking

covert bloom
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LOL

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It said REGION LOCK in all caps, bold, and red on the top of the slide

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and they used the term several times

burnt mulch
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it's not a hard region lock it's a ping lock.

covert bloom
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Sure

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so?

vague patio
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"i wantr region lock, because it hink peoplefrom that region are cheating and shouldnt be matched with me"

cold tulip
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@brave ginkgo

I have no doubt. High ping leads to an advantage. But as an EU player who only has friends from the US to play with. I hope you go the ping lock route. And not the flat out region lock. My ping differs by 15-30 ms between the two server regions. I dont think this warrants me being barred from playing with my friends and vice versa in our respective regions.
Go play on OCE (or whichever server gives you the highest ping) for a week. See how well you do. Pay attention to how smooth it feels, how much fun it is, how your pings work & how well you'll do in combat. Maybe you'll see the crybaby excuse that ping abuse is.

Also, your specific scenario that enables you with your friends only gives you slightly high ping, so it's all fine, since it doesn't affect you. There's other people in the community though. OCE has a very small playerbase. Locking them in according to what you seem to imply will kill that community except for peeps that want to play between 5 & 11 PM local time. Friends being able to play together is more important than the fragile ego of players that grasp at any excuse for dying.

I cant see how this rumoured 5th region would fix anything either, as players from south america, Asia and africa dont have local servers as it stands,

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covert bloom
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Well there's no denying that the majority of cheaters are from particular regions

brave ginkgo
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What did I do o.O

burnt mulch
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you're getting real close to "despite being x% of the population, black people..."

vague patio
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fuckin proof it

covert bloom
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go play in the chinese region lol

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die right away and spectate

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100% of matches have at least one team cheating

calm hawk
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i did play on asia

burnt mulch
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yeah this is no longer productive.

crystal plume
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This topic seems to be getting a bit too sensitive

cold tulip
calm hawk
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actually had a good time

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it was normal hunt just ppl playing hunt

covert bloom
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Have you ever seen the chinese servers for Apex legends?

calm hawk
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heck id say i had more fun there

distant trench
calm hawk
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i dont care about apex

covert bloom
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they are 60% bots selling hacks, and 39% hackers haha

brave ginkgo
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Right. Sorry. I didnt see they added thos regions and the point is moot and I apologise. I still think a ping lock is more reasonable. And when did I say it was a cry baby excuse

covert bloom
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Yeah I think ping lock is fine

calm hawk
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hah these are the kinda ppl that complain about this shit

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what can you fucking expect

covert bloom
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I've certainly played with some Europeans who were fine

crystal plume
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I don't really care whichever type of lock they go with or don't go with at all as long as it doesn't prevent anyone from playing with friends from anywhere

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And I'm sure they realize how important that is as well

covert bloom
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Yeah I think they do, which is why they'll have some sort of no-ping-limit region

distant trench
covert bloom
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so you can quarantine the laggos

cold tulip
brave ginkgo
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I dont have an issue with ping lick. Since that doesnt screw me over just because others dont have as decent a connection as me. Us Europe is a hella big, so me in the uk will have a better ping than someone in Germany or someone further east in europe

burnt mulch
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they literally didn't say they will but ok.

covert bloom
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They will

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probably...

brave ginkgo
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Its called being 30. I was just here wooden carving before suddenly being pinged in this hellscape of a discord xD

cold tulip
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xD

crystal plume
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One thing I am worried about is late hours and region populations with any kind of a lock, but those could also be worked around by making it dynamically unlock regions depending on population or such

brave ginkgo
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All I meant was I wont be playing the game if my option is solo or a universal region that would be flooded with high ping. I said I had no doubt. High ping with a server side hit registration (please correct me if the terminology is wrong. Remember I'm 30, I'm getting old as dirt) from my understanding leads to this situation. Sadly without a huge revamp at the base level of the way the game was built and implemented, it will always be an issue

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Again correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going off what others have told me

burnt mulch
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hunt has client side hit reg

brave ginkgo
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@cold tulip you think I'm joking. I legit was carving wood xD

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Hence my confusion xD

distant trench
brave ginkgo
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Ahhh okay my bad

covert bloom
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yeah it's not really client side

brave ginkgo
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Well I'm taking my usual approach. Hope for the best expect the worst. Its crytek after all

burnt mulch
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I am expecting them to lock you out of servers that your ping is too high on, and allow you to play on any other servers that your ping is within an acceptable range.
If your connection is hot garbage, they'll probably let you play on the one that has the lowest ping.

distant trench
brave ginkgo
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As long as o can have the similar experience jow playing with my friends. I'm okay with changes. That's the only thing I care about. If I cant play with my friends theres no reason for me to play I anymore

burnt mulch
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which will probably be your closest region

covert bloom
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Hmmm I wonder if they will be able to spoof higher pings in other regions and still manage to infiltrate NA with that system

brave ginkgo
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Again, I'm 30. I have real shit to worry about than video games. Pardon my bluntness I've been working all day and I'm hella tired xD

calm hawk
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id hope they wont lock regions which are low in pop, na and eu players have been asking for this

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let folks from those regions que in ours

burnt mulch
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I'm worried about queueing with invited friends, how group ping is calculated, and low population or off-hours gameplay.

calm hawk
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imagine how matchmaking will be with that

brave ginkgo
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That's another good point. I cant see regions like oceania having much luck. It's a very small user base as far as I can tell. Then divide that by the 6 mmr ranks. Things get real thing

calm hawk
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they cant even get the contracts working with that

brave ginkgo
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But all we have had is a brief mention of it being a thig in the future. For all we know crytek could come up with the pioneering solution to solve all these issues without it screwing over people. That was hard typing with a straight face xD

calm hawk
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well i guess time will tell

burnt mulch
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kek.

brave ginkgo
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But hopefully they nail it. And I still have the enjoyable experience I have now with my friends. Because god knows I still get my head one tapped most games in US xD

bronze quail
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they said that they are not going to lock people on only one region

calm hawk
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definitely doesnt make me wanna get any dlcs in the meanwhile for a game that i may not even play

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they didnt clarify what they are gonna do

bronze quail
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so i cant understand why everybody is so scared

calm hawk
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i asked them will we still be able to play with friends

covert bloom
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I understand people in Australia being scared, but other than that everyone should be way better off.

calm hawk
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they did not reply

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so everything is on the table

bronze quail
brave ginkgo
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All I believe they said was "everyone will have at least one region" which is vague and could be interpreted a number of ways. Again correct me if I'm wrong. I really couldnt watch it closely and only caught the tail end of that particular slide before having to go out

calm hawk
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youre right

covert bloom
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The way he said it was "One region will be available to everybody." That is more vague than it should be, I give you that. But to me, it means one region that is available to everybody, not everybody will have one region

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Time will tell

brave ginkgo
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See to me it could mean that or "everyone will have at least one region to play on" which could hint towards ping lock. Or "everyone will have one server to play on" which sounds a but more region lock. Basically, like most things, they dont have a clue right now here some new guns and bugs

covert bloom
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lol I'll take it

brave ginkgo
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I'm just playing it by ear. I'm on a hunt break anyway. I just saw my friends freaking out

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I'll take the guns but if I have that trippy out of body experience glitch that could only be fixed by climbing a ladder again I think I'll cry xD

covert bloom
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As long as they don't remove the glitch that sends me flying 60ft in the air so I can get a good look around before teleporting safely back to the surface...

brave ginkgo
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I have to say. This has to be the most civil discussion on a hot topic I've seen in this cesspool of a server xD

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That glitch admittedly is hillarious. If triggering my fear of heights unexpectedly xD

covert bloom
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I've been waiting to actually spot someone when that happens, and get an ambush because of it or something. One day...

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narrow narwhal
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I think I’d have preferred her without a hat as a lot of the recent hunters all have that similar silhouette now, definitely a cool addition though especially as she’s not tied to a paid dlc. (New Legendary Hunter NUN)

thick widget
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Everyone is bitching about the new shotgun being a better Spector like it's costs more of course it's better what we should be asking is why is the terminus so shit

pliant wren
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I called it so hard. The Cain "changes" was sprinkling some flour on his forehead and chest. The same people who didn't see him before won't see him now. They're going to complain just as much, and the fact that he's been tweaked twice will never matter to them. Crytek could take the target off Red Shirt and put it on Cain, and they'd still complain that he blends in too much.
And I'm gonna call it again, it's going to be two weeks or less after the changes drop that someone will have a staged video/picture of a place where he blends in well and people will start throwing it around as proof that he's still OP.

cold dune
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I wish his skulls weren't so high up on his back

sick anvil
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Did devs mention anything about region lock in the stream ?

undone epoch
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it will be taken up later this year

pliant wren
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Something about "one region will be available to everybody" So, either region lock (which will basically kill the game in alot of places) or a single centralized server (which will be very interesting to see how they pull it off if they implement ping limits like they say they're looking into.)

undone epoch
pliant wren
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Depends, there's no good answer to this problem. If they region lock, then places that have low player counts will seem empty all the time and people will stop playing. If they do a centralized server, then ping for anyone who can't afford good internet and lives far from that server will be high, possibly too high to even play the game if they do the ping limits.

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So, it may actually come down to which will lose them the least amount of money.

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This is the reason that the matchmaking and servers have been this way, it's the most cost effective and casts the widest net.

sick anvil
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What a centralized server means . you do not choose . you get put on a server with the best connection . the locations will remain the same in the datacenters of leaseweb spread out across the world

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it is a placebo fix you can not cry region lock XYZ if region does not exist

pliant wren
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Except what you're describing is region locking, not centralized servers. Plenty of games feature actual centralized servers, just most of them also allow private servers to be hosted as well.

sick anvil
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Because i can damn well guarantee you that it is not possible to have a server sitting in the US and having the same ping for a person being 100km from the server and being 7000KM from the server even with the fastest internet you can pay for

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plus Crytek has the servers with lease web signed for 5 years so i doubt they would kick a 5M USD contact and buy new servers for another 5 MIL no suit in the corporation would allow that they would rather kick out the whole studio

pliant wren
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First question: EvE online
And for the rest of that, yeah it's not a good idea, but it's only marginally worse than region locking. As I said before, region locking will cut player count, which will push people away from the game, and will lead to most of the smaller servers being taken offline.

sick anvil
pliant wren
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Oh and it would be a massive oversight in whatever agreement they have for them to not have a provision for adding and removing servers from it as player engagement dictates. So no, they probably could shut down all the servers in all but one country and get more there.

pliant wren
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Keep in mind, this is also based on when they said "One region will be available to everybody" in the dev stream. They may have misspoken, but if they didn't, there's not that many other ways to interpret it.

sick anvil
# pliant wren Keep in mind, this is also based on when they said "One region will be available...

Eh , what i am trying to say , to make one region instead of have it split in to pieces does not mean the servers will be located in place .
The psychical location of servers will either be expanded or remain the same. and the whole thing will be based on Qeueing logic .
example : Trio
1 located in US EAST. group creator
2 US EAST
3 EU
group will be playing on server located in US EAST cause group creator pings best to given server .
This prevents a full team of people from a different region to queue up in a different region but still allows friends to play cross region and where you land depends on who invites

pliant wren
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Ahh, I was speaking more on what they were saying in the stream. That wouldn't be a bad idea as long as during the lightest hours people were able to get into neighboring regions to keep player counts up.

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Though there are alot of PC players who are very dogmatic about having server lists.

vague crag
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So im from RSA and have to play on 200 ping and sometimes higher depending on my bad internet im worried about the region lock or ping cap cause we dont have our own servers so if something like that has to happen i guess RIP our hunt days

sick anvil
plush ledge
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My guess is that they might cap at 300-400 ping and even that is optimistic as long as the servers are a shit show.

sick anvil
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You can do ping bracekts .
0-50MS
50-100MS
100-150MS
150-200MS
and dumpseter fire
And drop players in the buckets

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if you do not ping bellow 200ms you get thrown in to the dumpster fire location where all people with more than 200ms will be sitting

rocky orchid
sick anvil
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well you can put every one who pings over 200 to OCE let em have 600-6000ms ping

vague crag
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anything above 250 is a nightmare to play so yeah i dunno putting everyone in a server with high ping should be something

sick anvil
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well i played bomb lance on OCE it was not that bad ping was about 350ms

vague crag
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what if you get ping spikes while in a bracket does the server just kick you cause that will happen a lot

pliant wren
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I dunno if they want to do that. Imagine the gaming websites with the story titled "Crytek creates ping ghetto in Hunt for low income players who can't afford a good internet connection."

sick anvil
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Well the bracketing would be done the standard Cisco ping rule .
10 pings on each datacenter before selecting and then bracketing

vague crag
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im guessing your internet is good cause low internet causes lag spikes packet los even on 200 ping sometimes it gets unplayable my internet is not contestant unfortunately

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either way we will se what they come up with

sick anvil
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Well i am sitting on the main optical transit line for EUrope from East to west .

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meaning i get under 30ms ping to any location within europe

pliant wren
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In rural parts of the US, getting 300 ping trying to connect to the next state is considered a good day.

sick anvil
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from central Europe to West coast LA my ping is 165ms

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the only connection that is bad for me is australia

pliant wren
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You're very lucky.

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That's a better connection than most people, I'd say.

sick anvil
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well yes that is the benefit of literally being directly connected to the main line of interent east to west Europe

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that transit line is fully optical

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I seen the mapping of US networking and sitting of a branch of the main line is a awfull

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you better of having satelite connection from Alaska

pliant wren
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In the US, unstable latency is just considered part of the deal. Latency isn't mentioned in most internet contracts, they focus on transfer rates, and not very good ones. It sucks alot.

sick anvil
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at lest you do not have dial up

pliant wren
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Lol, I used to. Still remember the modem screech and getting disconnected when someone called the house.

sick anvil
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Before i used to have something worse than dial up

calm hawk
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they shouldnt really have these ristrictions on low pop servers , its mostly na and some eu folks asking for it. they should keep the low population servers open to everyone

sick anvil
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my first internet was 256kbps metered GPRS USB dongle

calm hawk
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lock eu and na whatever , this would let people still play with their friends , they would just be playing in their regions

sick anvil
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Tehcnially you can even syphon the low pop regions in to EU or US if you implement the bracketing . which would just give a reasonable bracket lets say the swing would be 50 or 100ms where people get matched based on that

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it is not the ultimate fix , because 60ms and 60 ms is not the same

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what I am aiming at is simple ,
user 1 has stable 60ms means this has a 10 unit difference of 0ms
user 2 has jittery 60ms means this has a 10 unit difference 90ms
that means user 1 has an average ping of 60ms and min max of 60ms
user two has a avg ping of 60ms but his min is 30 max 150ms
User 2 does not see the difference when playing against user 1
for user 1 user 2 looks like he is lagging AF

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And since I am in the bucket of User 1 my jitter of ping is usually very low .
i much rather have a player i go against that has lets say 150ms ping but his ping has similar low jitter than going against a user with 60ms but the jitter is 120ms

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This is also the case why many people from the EU perceive that certain East bound players that have their own region are ping abusing , due to the two regions exchange servers are bottlenecked by content filtering creating the aforementioned jitter
Where westbound exchange servers are less bottlenecking thus creating far less jitter

sick anvil
pliant wren
sick anvil
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You got a point not like that person writing would do any research anyways

pliant wren
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@austere stone that's a really good idea. The devs need input, it'd give players a reason to give that input.

vague patio
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way back they did that

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dunno why they stopped

clever prawn
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@rocky orchid , u hold your bow like that when ur charged and not ADS'ing.

Bow recently got a damage buff against AI, take the trait hundred hands for 10% extra damage at full charge. bow and crossbow still easily oneshot. they dont need buffs in pvp

rocky orchid
clever prawn
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take a scotfield precision with you

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swap after u hit a shot and u can finish them off without trouble

rocky orchid
clever prawn
rocky orchid
# clever prawn yeah well thats your choice man

yeah actually i would like to see an increase of damage and a little buff.. but getting bow back to a 3-slot weapon.. actually the bow is big and arrows are not comfortable to transport.. so this could be changed

clever prawn
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yeah but its not what the player base wants

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at least, not for this hunting bow

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there can be added bow variants, for example a Longbow with more range and damage but slower charge time, which makes hundred hands more useful as well, or a deadeye bow

pliant wren
unborn smelt
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They can't heal immediatly - but they can still treat the bleed

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and stopping the at max medium bleed of the bow doesn't take longer than a medkit charge either afaik

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As for AI regular arrows are nearly equally as effective and you get more of them, so loosing some for a hive on a rooftop or just glitching through the floor isn't nearly as bad

pliant wren
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Huh, I've always seen them try to get behind cover and about 2 seconds later keel over.

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Assumed it was the bleed.

runic bloom
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DO NOT region lock the game

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many of us have friends from other continents, if you restrict the ability for people to play regardless of ping your already small pop game will get smaller

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it is fun to be able to play on other regions, not every game has that - tarkov - you cannot play this with people from australia

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regardless of whatever peoples frustrations and blaming of them sucking at the game/dying, hunt will go down a notch in my mind and I will play less if it is region locked

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a positive right now is the ability to play with anyone, anywhere on hunt, change the game for the worse at your own demise for some semblance of 'fairness'

calm hawk
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at least keep the low pop regions open to everyone

runic bloom
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people cry cheating/ping abuse when they die even if it's not true, people are crybabies/salty kids no matter what

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DO NOT kill south america or asia by region locking, use your brain

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I will stop recommending the game to friends to buy, may stop playing entirely if this dev team ruins one of the actual positives of their game currently

calm hawk
runic bloom
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sure I will copy paste all of it there for fun

pliant wren
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If you want them to see it you should.

calm hawk
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in general this channel is for discussing the feedback the #feedback is for feedback

pliant wren
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Yeah or talking about suggestions.

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I feel you though, not a fan of region locking

runic bloom
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ah yea I was just venting, I thought dev team was smart enough to not implement a region lock, say goodbye to significant portion of your playerbase if you region lock, you are not tarkov, you will suffer even more

calm hawk
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na and eu is where most of their profits come from

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makes sense that they dont wanna upset them

pliant wren
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Server lists are one of the few things PC titles typically have over console and I hate losing it for some nebulous 'match maker'.

calm hawk
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its a general trend in hunt community if big ish streamer of make videos on some topic or reddit post get traction ppl start complaining

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and then the said change is implemented

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sometimes they are good changes sometimes they are bad

runic bloom
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all I can say to dennis is ya made some good changes, don't make another shitty one that has way more macro implications than his shotgun camping ass realizes

calm hawk
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hes more of a centennial sniper guy

rocky orchid
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how about to just see what they exactly will implement than start complaining this much?

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bronze quail
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Have you even listened what they said on live or are you just crying about nothing?

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1-devs said that they are not going to lock players into one single region
2-devs said that they will not prohibit playing with friends from other regions

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So where is the problem?

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calm hawk
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i dont recall them saying anything about #2 if they confirm that then who cares if you cant que by yourself in other regions

bronze quail
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I'm pretty sure about that, but correct me if im wrong obviously

calm hawk
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i asked them 2x they didnt reply

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which probably means its not concrete yet so they cannot say

bronze quail
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But anyway #1 is more than enough to not get in panic

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Imo

calm hawk
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#2 is a big deal imo

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but there are easy ways of allowing ppl to do that

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for instance they can leave low pop regions like sa oce asia and ru open to all

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they can make it so that you need to have a friend in the region to play there

bronze quail
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Ru is low pop only cause everybody plays in eu btw

bronze quail
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I mean, i think that they want to limit full premade lobbyes to play on a totally different region or something like that

calm hawk
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yeah basically

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that would be fine

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calm hawk
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no sane person would be upset with that

queen jungle
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Please invest in a better anticheat and ping lock system.

alpine gust
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I died from a shotgun at full life at this distance. This slug bullet need some work

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unborn smelt
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@alpine gust 125 is not full hp...

alpine gust
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I have .25 missing and thats a headshot at that distance

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Really that far? Strong weapon. Can camp can fight mid range?

plush ledge
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25m headshot range und yeah around 60m 2 tap to the body

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with only 125 hp it would've killed you even on 30m with a headshot

covert bloom
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Uhh yeah anything would headshot kill you at that distance. Headshots are valuable bro.

alpine gust
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I know, but im talking about distance here for a shotgun to make a headshot even for slug.

plush ledge
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full slugs 25m head , 15m body . small slugs even the Lemat 15m head and 10m body onetap

unborn smelt
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even tho i think the slugs we got are almost the least skillful implementation we could have gotten, a 25m HS range is definetly not the or a issue

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even the derringer kills to the head at 60m.

still citrus
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guys, out of the blue im getting the msg that hunt servers are down and cant recconect, but in eu chat everyone sayiong its up......

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anyone have any ideas?

late wind
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So the Dolch, officer, and bornhiem got nerfed into useless tier for being "too spammy" and now we have the spitfire, swift, and New Army which are just as spammy, but now in medium ammo.

What?