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[cerulean wraith]

The fear is JUSTIFIED.

[rocky orchid]

ok.. so we should sit back.. enjoy the path down the road.. and see the game we love dying? yes?

[native lake]

They haven't even gotten a chance to talk more about it and people are jumping down their throats

Crytek has been rather receptive to feedback in the past

[sick anvil]

Look at this way replace Cryek with Michael Myers he is 40 meters from you walking towards you , at what time will you send the tactical nuke in ?

[native lake]

hell even Nixatek asked for clarification earlier

[sick anvil]

We know crytek wants more money

[rocky orchid]

because once you ruin the "view" on the game.. by a lootbox.. the game will never heal of that again

[sick anvil]

we know they are testing the waters waht can pass and what cant

[native lake]

do you know how stoked I am to get rewarded for my playtime? it's pretty nice. You guys should be upset @ gutting of item sale prices and of the price of FOMO Event Rewards

don't be upset @ the entire chary system, focus it @ the BB costs

get them to remove that and disallow boosting of Xp for the chary stuff

The system has a good base, you just want to stop it from becoming predatory

[sick anvil]

Rule number 1 of Barter is Ask for everything and only settle at exactly what you want

You cant let the other side inch more and more out of you

[native lake]

yeah well that's a good way to lose a bunch of shit in stuff like this

[eager widget]

I am pretty stoked too It's mostly why I don't agree with the removal. I get the fears. But we aren't there. And I'm only focusing on the payment part. They refuse to accept it, and that's why they are getting downvoted. I'm done here tonight, I wish you all a good night.
And please, do keep it civil guys. Insults aren't needed to get your point across, it just paints you in a worse light.
Good night guys, ima go Rock and Stone

[native lake]

The line should be drawn @ increased monitization

[rocky orchid]

i dont need more progression bars.. more things "to do in the main menu".. etc. click this.. click that.. bullshit..

i am not playing entlisted, ring of elysium or something like that..

it is hunt.. i want to spend my time IN the game.. not on the main menu

[cerulean wraith]

Look, this is a live service, we know that. It's a very active live service and we get content all the time.

We know Crytek needs money to keep it up.

I just don't want them to even consider going down the lootbox route when much better and morally superior options exist.

They don't need the bad publicity and community outrage when the make Chary's rewards into actual lootboxes. It would hurt the playerbase very badly and possibly damage it beyond repair, destroying the live service altogether.

That's the issue

[native lake]

You are literally being rewarded for playing hunt??? Like.

[rocky orchid]

dude.. really.. stop playing dumb.. FOR NOW...

you really dont wanna understand it

[native lake]

This is the second time I have had to ask you to stop insulting me

[native lake]

I agree with your take that we shouldn't go down the road of lootboxes.

[cerulean wraith]

Saying you're playing dumb isn't an insult, he's not saying you're dumb, stop deflecting.

[sick anvil]

Rule of barter i as Buyer are asking for removal of the loot box making it clear to the seller i will not be willing to pay for it , the sellers wants to sell at price x in this case the middle ground is we want it gone they think its cool it stays with out BB
in the case we be asking to remove the BB part they will be like F U , we just crank the XP requirements 10x instead of 2500xp it be 25000 XP and 100000xp they lets us put 10BB on the speed up

We want to make clear its not cool to speed up at any cost

[rocky orchid]

exactly

[native lake]

I haven't deflected shit, I have directly answered his concerns and presented my own opinions

[eager widget]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I think this argument should be dropped, honestly. It's one of those ones that aren't going to go no where and aggression's just going to go on the rise.

[native lake]

yeah gunna not engage anymore

[eager widget]

The community's made their choice on liking Dark Tribute, and you guys are just going to have to live with it. People have also made their voice known that they don't want money involved in it. Simple as that.
I think the argument should be dropped now, and you guys should play your game and enjoy it It's not worth getting hotheaded over it currently.

[sick anvil]

If the game is not selling enough BBs here is a simple way to deal with it instead of bundling them in nonsensical bundles set a fix value of example 100bb = 1united states doll hair / 1 European pessos , and i can dial in the BBS i want to buy , and lets say you get a bonus of X bb if you dial in a specific number ie 100 bb on top of every 1K started

why cuz simple if i want to buy one skin for 700bb and i will buy the skin at 7 bucks but if i have to spend 9.99 and get 1k bb i will opt to not to go for it

Also i think if hunter skins would be 5 bucks and guns 2 -3 bucks it would bring more sales

Companies reaction it does not sell , make it more expensive then discount it to the original price .
Buyer i am pretty sure the regular price a week ago was exactly the same .

[cerulean wraith]

Oops wrong channel

[vague patio]

cain discussion is a joke

[cerulean wraith]

Agreed 200%

[vague patio]

no matter what the devs do, its will be shit on

making harder makes em cry, doing nothing same, changing design makes the sweats who "realy" on the "invisibility" cry

[cerulean wraith]

People will literally blaim everything except themselves for losing

But it's good that Cain is getting a bit of a rework imo

His desaturated color pallet and skull backpack did allegedly cause problems. Idk I never saw him (ba-dum-tss)

[vague patio]

@cerulean wraith @rocky orchid ima be real with you two, you dont seem to understand entirely what is the problem. especially considering production costs and the actual profit, the hard truth is, most people dont care about the game enough to make any of those "real life" options realliable. andmonthly pay is even more icky (also love the sneaky requirement on cryteks part, get new serversblah)
Point is, it needs to be something in game. Its not even so much about monetisations in at least something to do. Constantly dying in hunter having bare success is problem for hunt. Thats something that at least a bit shuffed with those things, motivating you for at least something.
especially as it stands right now, the way they implemented it is more fine. Only the last step of the dark thing is in any way tied to money. An the expected value is.... not worth it at all, except maybe the hunter
Not saying worry is displaced, cause yea noone wants that stuff to go out of hand, but to doom about it and make a point that they will make it tied to real coin is just toomuch

[vague patio]

back pack is a problem

i dont even know ifit was like that before the shower dropped

[vague patio]

just in the same way dolch and dual wieldnerfs are good, cause peoplereally get down bad with it

[cerulean wraith]

I'm just questioning the methodology here. I know they need the money but there are still better ways of going about it than what I fear they'll do - gimp progression for boosters and dailies, increase the reward thresholds and add paid skips to them

We could at least have gotten an in depth explanation on why this is needed rather than the blind hype they tried creating the the 1.7.2 dev stream

Especially when the external monetisation is so woefully underutilized

[steady prism]

@undone pike @hexed snow oh yes please... i didnt even knew i wanted this so bad 😄

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[cerulean wraith]

Just got a reply. 113 packs. With zero advertisement.

[hexed snow]

what?

[cerulean wraith]

The trait UI rework

[steady prism]

^^

[cerulean wraith]

Lol

They're lit

[grand island]

who the fuck thinks the tribute is gonna turn into lootboxes

[cerulean wraith]

Everyone with some knowledge of games industry trends

it's called we do a little advertising

[grand island]

more like people who know only the end results

[crystal plume]

How about we don't do that

[grand island]

hunt is not a game that lends itself to aggressive monetisation

you don't need to pay a single cent to play it properly

and the game already had daily and weekly progress

that did give you the same or worse rewards

the tribute and daily extract bonus are the same thing except they don't force you to go out of your way to do annoying shit for three waxed dynamite sticks

instead rewarding you simply for doing the most basic game objective

the 100 blood bond boost to the last tribute is likely gonna be used by absolutely nobody

because the xp cost is easy to get with a few hours of play and the blood bond cost is never worth what you get

if anything it looks like whoever put it there did so to appease some greasy spineless corporate fuck who wants more ways to squeeze money out of players for his third yacht

because those vermin can't spell game design, much less understand it well enough to realise nobody is buying blood bonds to complete that last tribute

[lime tree]

Me talking about Battlefield in 2010

[cerulean wraith]

Every game lends itself to aggressive monetization. It's just that most die if it's implemented.

And I don't want that

[grand island]

except it doesn't lend itself because it will die if it's implemented

it's already established dlcs as a means to sell overpriced shiny garbage

[cerulean wraith]

Doesn't matter to the execs and shareholders. They don't give a shit until the game dies. Then they blame everyone except themselves and move on.

Why would I, you sick bastard?

[grand island]

i refuse to further throw arguments at a wall only to be responded to with "The rich!"

[cerulean wraith]

You think I'd kill someone over a game

Fucking cringe

Nice deflection, anyway

Lootbox bad

Indisputable

Pls delet

[grand island]

the features are added to increase player numbers, not get more money

[orchid tendon]

bro, check yourself

[grand island]

it's such an obvious design decision it may as well glow in the dark

[orchid tendon]

this aint okay

[cerulean wraith]

And you're a monetisation lead at Crytek to know that?

[orchid tendon]

take a step back

[grand island]

and you're a fucking game design course graduate?

[cerulean wraith]

The dailies and mr chary's rewards are transparent mobile game tactics, incentives to play 20 fucking games every day or miss out on rewards

[grand island]

are you a slave to the number on the screen?

[cerulean wraith]

I've played enough mobile and Facebook trash to spot this shit on sight

[grand island]

apparently yes

[crystal plume]

So you don't want the game to die, but you also don't want mechanics that encourage player retention

[cerulean wraith]

And the last of charys rewards can be purchased, IE its a lootbox, IE child gambling IE should be illegal

[grand island]

are you kidding me

[cerulean wraith]

There are better ways to do that.

[crystal plume]

It's literally just to skip 3k xp

It's such a bad idea to spend BBs on it

[grand island]

you have to play like 4 games at least to even get to that point

[crystal plume]

That you are ridiculous if you do so

[grand island]

then spend 100 blood bonds on something you can get for free

[crystal plume]

It's less worth it than spending 25BB on hunter rerolls

[grand island]

to get 180 hunt dollars

[crystal plume]

And that was already worthless

[grand island]

even a toddler could figure out it's not worth it

[cerulean wraith]

Just wait till they add a 0 to those requirements, start selling boosters and introduce the option to buy every tier. Then it'll be too late.

That's the issue

[crystal plume]

Yeah that's a slippery slope argument

[cerulean wraith]

And it's absolutely true when it comes to teh games industry

[grand island]

"yeah guys the thing they added is fine now but they will make it worse just to make more money"

[cerulean wraith]

That is an indisputable fact

[crystal plume]

Sorry to say but you cannot see the future, even if you try to use other games that have fucked up with monetization as proof

[grand island]

well can you please pull your head out of your own ass and check what games do it

[crystal plume]

They are not going to step over the line, ever

[grand island]

do you know what those games have in common

mass appeal

hunt is not played as much as all the cookie cutter AAA games that get shit out on a yearly basis

it's not getting a sequel

it's not getting plastered on public transport

or being displayed on youtube ads

it's a game with a following that was built over time

[orchid tendon]

why wouldnt it get a sequel?

[grand island]

most people who pick the game up don't like it

[grand island]

because unless they kill the servers arbitrarily, who would buy it?

this isn't some serial title

[orchid tendon]

because this game would be a lot better in a better engine

[crystal plume]

They are not going to change engine

They're crytek

They will use cryengine

[grand island]

crytek can't just slap lootboxes in, wait for the player counts to dip from the millions to the thousands, and release a new one while promising it's gonna be better than last time

[crystal plume]

And hunt is live service, it will continue to get updates for the foreseeable future, not a sequel

[orchid tendon]

thats not what i said

[grand island]

hunt doesn't have the numbers for that

[orchid tendon]

the engine is the thing that pisses me off the most

[grand island]

and if they try, it's gonna fail miserably

[cerulean wraith]

The problem here is that you two are arguing "they will never change the current systems to squeeze more money out of the players" while I'm arguing "they will absolutely do that if given half a chance, therefore we must push back against these systems NOW while they aren't implemented yet so they know what to expect if they add them."

They already experimented with kneecapping progression and selling boosters with the events. Don't you see that they can just as easily do the same with Bloodline and Chary's reward progression for the same reasons?

The system for monetizing Mr. Chary's rewards exists in the game now. How can you say for certain that they will not add BB tier skips to the other 3 rewards? How?

You are arguing that it is impossible for crytek to fuck everything up with overmonetisation. I point to the already extant systems and trends standing in stark defiance of your unsubstantiable claims.

That's the issue

[orchid tendon]

who the fuck would pay 100bb to skip measly 3k exp

lol

[crystal plume]

Boosters were a thing since the first event, what do you mean

And the latest version of the boosters were literally more fair than any of the previous ones

[grand island]

the event boosters have been changed from a per match basis to a fixed time frame, which isn't perfect, but is still way better than dying in a spawnfight

[orchid tendon]

boosters where actually good tho

[cerulean wraith]

You might if they, say, increased the progression requirement from 10k to 100k xp.

[crystal plume]

As it was enabled for you for X amount of time instead of having to consume it for a single match in the fear of dying early and losing out on the points

[grand island]

per day?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpWkVDtUUAAxNPa.jpg

100k xp per day

[cerulean wraith]

Or something else ridiculous

Like 50k

[grand island]

yes see here's the thing

that defeats the purpose for a daily

and who the fuck in their right fucking mind would pay 100 blood bonds

for 90 hunt dollars

[cerulean wraith]

The purpose isnt the daily at that point. It's the money

[grand island]

unless the rewards get increased by an absurd amount nobody will spend their money on it

[cerulean wraith]

That's exactly it

You are so, so close to getting it

[orchid tendon]

yeah so what if they change those rewards then, you want that?

[grand island]

THE TRIBUTE REWARDS

[cerulean wraith]

Lootboxes.

[vast kiln]

No

[cerulean wraith]

YES

[vast kiln]

Literally no

[cerulean wraith]

Literally yes

[vast kiln]

You've been wrong about so much and stretching to so many conclusions

[cerulean wraith]

The 4th chary reward is a lootbox by definition as it can be paid for with real money.

[vast kiln]

You're not a weapons expert, economics expert, and a game developer, you're just loud.

So don't pay for it

Go scream at a cloud somewhere else, old man

[cerulean wraith]

Debunked 2009 argument that never held any water

I don't know how else to put it but "inch and a mile"

[crystal plume]

Still, for the time being you are essentially scared of a boogeyman that doesn't exist yet

You don't know what they will do

You are just assuming

[cerulean wraith]

It exists, just not here. YET.

[crystal plume]

If you know the future that well can you also tell me tomorrow's lottery numbers

[vast kiln]

@cerulean wraith do you wear a tin foil hat all day, for fear that the mathematical assured aliens are gonna show up?

[cerulean wraith]

How hard is it to understand that my rage at the current systems is an attempt to spur sentiment that any further monetisation of the existing system would be bad for the game?

[meager grove]

Why my FPS drop almost every update

[cerulean wraith]

It's to send the message that they've taken an inch, but take another and they won't have a playerbase to run the mile over.

[crystal plume]

"Any further" you literally suggested to remove the things they added in 1.7.2

[cerulean wraith]

That is my opinion too, because I think it's a bad system and a waste of time

That could have been spent better

In the first place

[crystal plume]

I enjoy it

More free stuff for just playing

[vast kiln]

@cerulean wraith no one cares about your one loony sentiment. You've thrown all your "opinions" around as if they are complete fact and you're the be all, end all for all discussions. If you don't want to pay for something, don't pay for it. If you don't like how a game is changing, don't play it. Adults understand this

[cerulean wraith]

Doesn't it seem weird to you that they'd increase progression and rewards with no downside?

Because that downside may come later?

[crystal plume]

No

Because I realize they did it for player retention

[normal horizon]

there are a lot of players with not a lot of money that struggle

these things just help those players a bit

[unborn smelt]

To be fair i dont think so

[cerulean wraith]

They could have done that much better in other ways, but no, let's add a fucking lootbox and an avenue to leverage daily rewards to later gimp progression and fuck over everyone who isn't playing for 4 hours straight every day

[unborn smelt]

The selling price decreases hit those that loose a lot way more as they rely more on selling rewards and loadouts on hunters

[crystal plume]

I'm tempted to photoshop lootbox glasses but too lazy

[vast kiln]

Here we go again with the "Old Man Yells at Cloud" trope

[unborn smelt]

And they gain less than the good ones from the new mechanic as they get less bounty to beginn with

[normal horizon]

getting something extra for just playing the game doesnt help players that don't have a lot of game money? the increase for succesful bounty extract is also just an increase for those players that maybe extract once a day succesfully

[cerulean wraith]

The selling price decrease is the first downside to the new system. More may come, and that's what I fear

[normal horizon]

not sure why it wouldn't help those players

[cerulean wraith]

Also really nice to see the whole mod team simp for monetization daddy. I know it's your job but okay

Mic drop

[unborn smelt]

The few of the chaity do help

But the bonus for first win per hunter and selling decreases both widen the gap to rich players more

[vast kiln]

@cerulean wraith lmao has to add his own mic drop because he's the only person on his side of the argument

[crystal plume]

The amount I make from selling gear in hunt is probably only like 1% of the hunt dollar income I get, there's multiple other better ways of getting money

[unborn smelt]

So i guess its an overall downgrade for those that already struggle with money

[normal horizon]

successful players win more with a single hunter than not as good players do

[cerulean wraith]

At least someone gets it

[unborn smelt]

Says who

[normal horizon]

so i dont agree with your point, successfull players getting more from it doesnt mean less good players dont benefit from it

thats a moot point imo

[unborn smelt]

I made a lot lately just winning with a lot of diffrent hunters

[normal horizon]

it helps those lesser players either way when they do extract

[crystal plume]

One quick way to ruin your entire argument, trying to lie about us having to say X thing

We're under NDA, not under dictatorship lol

[unborn smelt]

Its not just first win of the day - you can get that bonus as much as you like or as much as you have hunter slots

[vast kiln]

How do people struggle with money in this game? You take q dump and camp in a bush and make money. I don't need 150k hunt bucks, but I guess that's what I'll have since Crytek just throws coins at everyone for opening the game

[cerulean wraith]

I've already said everything that needs to be said, and a few things that really didn't need to be. But I'll be laughing at all of these defenses when those downsides arrive. If this won't age like fine milk I'm the goddamn pope.

[unborn smelt]

Play agressive and loose

[vital drum]

Neon, you've already alienated most people, who would even agree with some of your points, with your aggressive conversation strategy Going after us personally doesn't help your case.

[unborn smelt]

Playing safe is very strong economically

[vast kiln]

I almost exclusively run a Romero and an uppercut

[unborn smelt]

But if you loose a hunter you get what 200$ max back

[cerulean wraith]

Sorry, I see red when it comes to this crap. And then I see most of the mods flat out defending it, what else am I supposed to think?

[unborn smelt]

So if your loadout cost more you loose money

[cerulean wraith]

This is giving me Division flashbacks.

[solar monolith]

How dare someone not have the same opinion as you. They should be buried under the prison

[normal horizon]

by just playing what you want instead of just looking at the price. plenty people I know including myself are often close to broke at times

[crystal plume]

"I've already said everything that needs to be said" I hope this means we won't see "No "lootboxes" suggestion part XVIII -III page VI"

[native lodge]

I have literally done nothing but gain stuff for free

[crystal plume]

With a image for attention grabbing

[native lodge]

this isn't a loot box system

if I get everything free without changing a single thing about what I do

[normal horizon]

getting an x amount of xp and money extra for a succesful bounty just means it helps me play what i like for a game or 2 more since i got more money and xp

[cerulean wraith]

You won't because it's not a complex issue with multiple possible solutions like the Night fix

The answer to the lootbox question is always very simple. DELET.

[vast kiln]

So I'm guessing no one plays quickplay and no one makes it out of bounty hunt alive in this thread, so I'll leave the money thing alone

[normal horizon]

I get out with bounties plenty, but that 1.5/2k dollars is 2 loadouts

[native lodge]

I have more money now then I know what to do with

[normal horizon]

so dying twice means i am back to square one

[solar monolith]

I had a string of like 7 loses last week and still made it all back after winning 2 games

[vast kiln]

Again, I will hold my tongue, as people clearly never play quickplay and almost never make it out of bounty hunt alive lol

[solar monolith]

Also, if money is an issue, run a cheap load out. I never exceed $400 per load out

[normal horizon]

quickplay is a whole different game mode not everyone enjoys so yeah not everyone plays quickplay

and no in a match most teams dont make it out alive with the bounty

that is the game

[cerulean wraith]

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[normal horizon]

i dont always want to run cheap loadouts. i want to run what i want to run. i can take free hunters non stop and get tons of money

that isnt always what i enjoy doing tho

[noble harbor]

confrimed dolch main

[cerulean wraith]

Running Avto dual uppies is fun

[native lodge]

I have 200, 400, and 600 dollar loadout saved

[normal horizon]

and that is just from my side there are plenty people that might not be good enough to even get money with free hunters

this extract boost per hunter just helps them when they do win a round

[native lodge]

its not like its a whole lot of money either

I mean I got money for all my rewards but thats just rng

[solar monolith]

I just like weapon variety. Buy hunters around $300 with whatever they have and run with it. Granted I never have more than 8k because I prestige when I can.

[vast kiln]

@normal horizon if you won't play quickplay, you can't complain about being broke. It's free money for no risk. And if you get dumpstered in bounty hunt, it's fine, it happens to everyone (screw Mosin sniper shit bucket carriers) but you shouldn't lose so much that you can't make money. You should examine your playstyle because maybe it isn't conducive to your load out or whatever.

[normal horizon]

I never said i dont play quickplay

[vast kiln]

@normal horizon ah yes, the 1984 doublespeak

[native lodge]

[normal horizon]

I have entire streams of me playing quickplay for hours

so not sure why you assume i dont

I just dont always want to so sometimes i dont for weeks

im also not complaining about being broke

[vast kiln]

@normal horizon sad you think so highly of yourself that you'd think we've all seen your stream lol

[normal horizon]

that is also not what i am saying

[solar monolith]

You angy

[crystal plume]

Quickplay is solo only, it will never be a "solution" to people that have issues with hunt dollars

I play the game for the social aspect, I would never play QP even if I ran out of hunt dollars

[normal horizon]

I was only making a point about the extract boost helping less skilled players which ragnarok disagreed with, using my personal point of view on "money making tactics"

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[normal horizon]

not always wanting to play quickplay or running free hunters to make money is not the same as never doing it 🙂

It doesn't hurt to have more ways of helping people out here and there

[solar monolith]

How dare

[vast kiln]

@solar monolith I merely tire of people complaining about everything but they're the real problem

[jaunty badge]

Title: New Boss- Serpent
Description: New boss that is a huge boa constrictor that has of course a hunt showdown art style 🙂 scary and would be very neat- i understand the hit box might make it a bit hard to make consistent.

[vast kiln]

@jaunty badge does it get a cowboy hat?

[jaunty badge]

i can

like from djano

[solar monolith]

So you attack the guys character? Come on man. He was simply providing evidence that he did indeed play quickplay

[jaunty badge]

and an eye patch

[jaunty badge]

yes sir

[vast kiln]

Yes, that's what came to mind@jaunty badge

[normal horizon]

I mean I was also not complaining so it was attacking the wrong person entirely

[jaunty badge]

would be so cool! i know they would make it look amazin

[jaunty badge]

[prime orchid]

I'm glad that multiple people are talking about it, there is no need to add to the idea, the discouragement only laments that the idea be forgotten, sometimes things need to be brought up time and time again, thanks for your input, it means someone is looking at my suggestion.

[noble harbor]

is there a page with the list of all known bugs in the game?

[cerulean wraith]

Pretty sure there is, I just don't know where

[crystal plume]

Not all of them

There's known issues lists in patch notes usually

But those are usually just the currently prevalent ones

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[cerulean wraith]

@devout raptor "kane"

[devout raptor]

INDEED

[twin compass]

lol i knew u faucks would delete it

fuck this game and its community

Peace out

[crystal plume]

!report

[marsh garden]

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[native lake]

sometimes when I open this chat, I get whiplash

That's my feedback on #feedback-discussion

[cerulean wraith]

It do be like that sometimes

[grizzled sedge]

teh extract boost just makes cowards be more cowardly

[hardy cliff]

yeah theres no action anymore, all dual bounties are just grab and extract.. they designed it so every map has the extract next to the boss.. kinda lame.

[vague patio]

🤔

they didnt

its random

[pseudo shadow]

@digital nacelle Regarding your idea for a Cain emoji, there is one already ---->

[digital nacelle]

lmao

[cerulean wraith]

Kek

[unborn smelt]

@hardy cliff changing the hellfire is completely unnecessary

the aim helper (dotted line that tells you where you throw) tells you if you will burn/hurt yourself

It turns red instead of white if you're in the AOE of the thing you're about to throw

[verbal jetty]

Fix knifes if someone can 1 hit me everything should be a 1 hit

[jovial lodge]

Knives kill in one hit to the head

Same with all melee tools besides the rare knuckle duster case where it can be survived with hornskin

[unborn smelt]

that would also make for terrible balance

[azure talon]

Can we please disable the newsfeed pop up? Atleast keep it to just when the game start? Having it pop up after every single match is really annoying.

OR, at the very least, have it possible to disable in the options menu.

[crystal plume]

@round vapor It helps to not shoot at the legs, although the first shot was out of your control as you got aimpunched

The second shot though

[normal vine]

heh

[round vapor]

yea the first shot I get. however he was crouched on my first shot. and then took both shells?

[grizzled sedge]

second shot was halfway off

[crystal plume]

The image I posted is 1 frame before the second shot

[round vapor]

its a shotgun. both shells

that doesnt include direct knife in the back yesterday i got pictures of that too no bleed 3 direct shots no hit marker and kills me after running away from the knife in his back. Sparks hit with a follow up conversion shot yesterday at mid range no death. fail and broken

plus rival has the most spread of all shotguns

[vague patio]

terminus has worse spread

[round vapor]

I forget about the terminus sometimes.

Thanks everyone for your response

[calm hawk]

@rocky orchid you peeked to your right , more of your body is visible when you peek right

vice versa for left

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[ionic dove]

I know it's intended that way that Scottfield Swift ejects all bullets and reloads a full clip, but on DW it skips the reason to run Ambidextrous, which enables clip reloads on Bornheim and Dolch. Feels a bit cheesy.

I played it, cause a free hunter came with it, that's why the thought.

[cerulean wraith]

@fossil quest there will be a Cain rework in 1.8

[grizzled sedge]

Sounds like someones bad at shotguns

[rugged hull]

How is Cain gonna be re worked

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[hushed vortex]

Stop the newsletter from spamming me i feel like im playing a dumb free to play mobile game!

[zealous scarab]

Since the new patch, have noticed on multiple occasions hunters taking no splash damage from explosive bolts that are fired at close proximity to the hunter. I have a video where i am aiming up a staircase, hunter is looking directly down the staircase in a narrow passage with no room to backup. I shoot, bolt magically misses hunter, even if it misses it should hit the wall directly behind him, nothing. Instead hunter is able to snap me off in the next second with a headshot ,so he hadn't moved from his position. Either there is a weird de-sync issue where my shot didnt register or the impact of the cross bolt isn't registering correctly.

[shy herald]

News Feed pop always after a match, that annoying, we wont buy your 15$ skin lol

[queen jungle]

Matchmaker just keeps getting worse. It was broken at patch time and it's still broken. 4/4/5 vs. 6/6/5 is a bullshit matchup. Bullshit.

[unborn dagger]

Made me realize how bad Apex felt.

[grizzled mural]

While I agree on the problem I don't agree on the solution. I think an inertia system similar to the one Tarkov just implemented would do Hunt good. That and inaccuracy tied to movement. This game does not play like the pitched fantasy at a high level with kb+m players. Strafe and jump spam are cheesy, it feels like quake.

I think hunt's "movement tech" should be positioning, map knowledge, and mastery of silent / unnoticed movement.

High level gameplay should look like Lukan, not Gunsmack.

(although if you're reading this Gun, ❤️ you)

[pallid idol]

I agree
ADing and that weird half-life-like midair spin both feels out-of-place in hunt
I don't think all shooters need some movement tech, or techs at all to give players an edge to compete on

[grizzled mural]

Its the only thing keeping you from being instantly headshot by a large section of the playerbase... so that's what me and every other player is doing, and while it might increase the "skill", it feels like a weird thing to be skilling up in when you're in the bayou hunting demons with cowboy guns.

[unborn smelt]

I'm not saying we need inertia, but tapping adad is not increasing the skill ceiling

I'd even say it lowers it because it makes people get away with bad positioning

[grizzled mural]

Slow moving bullets + mario style air control just feels like an awkward combo for Hunt's motif.

[unborn smelt]

Now to be fair, i think lowering the skill in positioning is intended to not further incentivise stationary gameplay and not discourage moving a lot.

[grizzled mural]

people still play tarkov /shrug

I want to play hunt for the feelings / experience only it can give, not for the coat of paint

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[grizzled mural]

the part where me and another hunter jump and wiggle around while taking shots and trying not to anger the anti-cheese detector is NOT the part of hunt that I think makes it worthwhile

[steady prism]

Agreed there should be a mechanic for ADing

Lets say by doing AD in quick succession decreases the actual distance you move so after like 5 ADs you are moving just few cms instead of usual meter...

So its usable at first but spamming that in long range fight is ineffective

Cuz i think its useful to have a little tool to play around when you rush someone with shotgun, especially when you sprint towards the enemy....

But it gets anoying when im shooting at someone whos standing in the middle of field 100m away and i cant hit him cuz boolet too slow

And he just wiggles like R6 Ashe

[unborn smelt]

It really aint that deep with AD...
you need to spawm it very fast for it to be ineffective, and while ineffective it's still movement that makes aiming harder than if you didn't do it.
for it to be toos low you really really need to do it very slow.
the most important thing is as random as possible - but that int that hard either you literally just press a A,D or SPACE is a pretty random pattern.

Compared to the skill of actually good positioning it's a joke what amount of skill AD wiggling needs.

[plush ledge]

yeah lets take movement completely out of Hunt imagine everyone has to stand still for 10 seconds to shoot . When you want to farm bots lower your rating to 4 stars

[unborn smelt]

Now that is something i do agree with, however i don't think there's an objectively right answer as to it being good or bad.

[steady prism]

People complain about there being too much RNG oriented weapons.... Proceed to AD when fighting at long range, effectively creating more RNG situations...

[unborn smelt]

For people that seek a mechanically more hardcore experience it's definetly worse becuase movement even after an inertia increase is still very arcadishly fast with very little inertia, which gives a great sense of control, but severely decreses the importance of positioning as a skill and makes it so you don't need to commit nearly as much to a decision you did, like pushing or changing cover under fire.

[plush ledge]

nerfing movement only helps bad players change my mind

[steady prism]

I mean idrc.... Its the main reason why i never even bother using long range weaponry in hunt...

They dont have to change it, at least i can play my CQB loadouts and not worry about getting hit by a sniper

[unborn smelt]

On the other hand a more realistic movement system, high in inertia, would feel slow and unresponsive to many players and would propably discourage taking an active role for many out of fear of loosing.

[steady prism]

It just feels unrewarding to carry along a sniper/marksman rifle

[steady prism]

That is true

[unborn smelt]

I don't think one is better than the other - it really depends on what kind of feel you are going for.

[steady prism]

Ye

[plush ledge]

dude that's your skill issue then and not the games fault and now imagine when they nerf movement this way . what happens ? exactly those guys who were able to hit you pre nerf at 130m will now insta click you . congratulations you just fucked yourself

[steady prism]

Yes thats exactly what will happen

[unborn smelt]

That doesn't change the fact that what little skill there is to AD is nothing compared to what skill is needed for actual good positioning

[steady prism]

Rn when fighting at long range you have 2 options

1. Ambush someone and HS him on first shot
2. Shoot as fast as possible into his AD without actually aiming on him, just in his general direction and hope one of the rounds will hit, after which he will disengage and heal

[unborn smelt]

I'm not saying a movement system thats heavy on inertia is good or bad for hunt

[steady prism]

Which is ok.... But there are simply too many options to get health back

[plush ledge]

true and good aim . but when I look at his complains he's lacking aim the most

[steady prism]

So these fights can take months

[unborn smelt]

all i'm saying is they serve 2 diffrent purposes and need to be utilized accordingly

[steady prism]

That is a solution as well... Am i willing to pay 900 dollars for a rifle? No...

[plush ledge]

I've pretty average aim and I'm able to hit with irons at 100m my headshots pretty reliable but I guess it's a different story when you struggle to hit bodyshots at 30m

[steady prism]

Sniper variants are rather meh imo.... You can see other dimension in that massive scope

I admit lebel marksman wirks pretty well

But it costs twice the price of normal loadout... Just to be more effective at bit more range....

Never seen that before.... U got a video?

I legit wanna see how that looks like

[unborn smelt]

snipers are some of the best weapons if utilized correctly

[steady prism]

Oh... And anyone noticed how bugged the traps are lately?

[unborn smelt]

they really don't need a buff.

[steady prism]

Sad i wanted to see that

What exactly does it do

[steady prism]

Hell no im not saying they should get buffed.... Its just the scope is an overkill for hunt

Oh

That matters only with bow and xbow tho

If theres a head behind the limb u still get headshot

True its harder

Anyway pvp melee is quite sad currently...

[unborn smelt]

that's smth inertia could fix tho the melee spin thing...

I personally find the constant AD wiggling not hard, but very very boring and kind of out of place too.
the fact that spinning just spins your character in place as fast as you look around introduces very much movement with barely any skill to it.

And i'd say the fact that almost all people use AD wiggle instead of cover in the open and the spin trick if they are forced to sit still is testimony to that.

[steady prism]

How do you counter AD wiggle

Oh i see

[unborn smelt]

the spin thing would need some work, but you'd likely need to change the movement system a bit. But for most stuff you could get away with making the head face roughly the way they are looking and keep the body hitbox stationary or rotating slower, essentially mimicing turning your head

As for the AD wiggle sure it's pretty subjective who likes what, i think it looks stoopid and is quite boring to play at times, as 90% of ranged fights revolve around wiggling left to right and periodically jumping in between, rather than cover and good positioning. And it does feel out of place to me in a game claiming to be a hardcore shooter while it's smth i'd expect of games like halo for example.

Yeah i'm not saying one can't do that, i'm saying it feel like a cheap "get outta jail free" card for bad positioning and reminds me more of an arcade or arena shooter rather than smth that claims to be a hardcore game.

I don't think hunt needs or should have inertia to tarkov levels for example

But i personally think a smol increase wouldn't hurt the hardcore aspect

[grizzled mural]

totally agreed with both comments above

would love for the game to play more like the e3 reveal trailer, but every change they make takes it further in the opposite direction

[dim heron]

@edgy dome read the info from the Elo command to get a better idea of how matchmaking and Elo works

!matchmaking

[marsh garden]

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[grizzled mural]

that's okay, i've played about 1000 hours of hunt and loved it

[dim heron]

U right, ty

Mid sleep brain completely forgot

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Ty

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[soft pilot]

Wow

It was a legitimate request. But whatever

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Simply asking for more skins for a specific weapon is not a detailed enough request for #game-ideas, which is intended for serious, high-quality suggestions. If you have an idea for a skin or otherwise something else to add to such a request, that would absolutely be welcomed! Sorry to remove, just upholding the rules

[soft pilot]

Whatever it takes to flex your mod muscle. Have a great day 😉

[jovial lodge]

you too

[vague patio]

1984

[deft dune]

I have to click it away every match 3 TIMES
Show it to me ONCE A DAY

Im not gonna buy it cuz of that

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[pearl girder]

But how can I elaborate an idea for a map theme more than that? 😛

[jovial lodge]

The bot auto-deleted your suggestion because it didn't follow the formatting rules

A bit more detail wouldn't hurt though! How would you like to see the snow function in terms of visibility, footprints, etc?

Why are you interested in that kind of map?

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[edgy dome]

Oh it doesnt work that way? Is that your answer? Ignorance instead of talking about the underlying issue? Matchmaking is a constant complaint in this discord and everytime some smartass comes along and thinks that "iT dOesNt wOrk tHiS wAy" is a good enough excuse. Maybe the matchmaking SHOULD work this way, so situations like this don't happen.

[queen jungle]

@lime tree can you please add to your iron devastator suggestion that the trait should be unlocked once a hunter can buy the specter? it comes way too late.

[lime tree]

That's a good idea.

[somber harbor]

not to mention it's like double the price of the vetterli too

it was one of my fav guns but crytek have killed the poor thing

same issue with the pax, the scottfield is too similar in stats, cheaper, and now has far better variants than the pax

but if you look at all of the compact ammo pistols, they serve different purposes and needs

[grim anchor]

Is there a bug where the News Feed is popping up every single time a match is over and the game brings me back to the main menu? Cuz its getting really annoying and is chipping away at my enjoyment of the game.

[grim anchor]

any word on it being hotfixed?

[atomic cipher]

@pearl bolt yep, it was indeed a pretty weak "nerf" Still crazy accurate even at longer distances. But I doubt they will no anything else

[steady vapor]

this game not launching with a proper smaller map mode is such a huuge blunder, who knows how many more players we would have retained if new people didn't have to spend 50 hours (minimum?) learning the massive maps and getting shot at from people they never even saw. Inb4 haters suggest that a proper small mode to help people practice aim would ruin the game. QP is irrelevant.

I've had so many boring rounds the past week, expecting most new people to stick through that and the tremendous learning curve is a losing bet if you ever want to have a big enough playerbase. Just give people a mode to actually practice shooting real people. Anyone who suggests you can just go shoot AI grunts who don't use AD movement is just proving my point for me 😂

[late wind]

Dude Crytek needs to fire their monetization expert and use that money to pay for more server space and server maintenance.

Because while I don't spend a lot on a game that works, I spend nothing by going and playing something else that does.

[unborn dagger]

Didn't they say that they couldn't add in a snow map cause of processing issues or something?

[solar monolith]

Crytek servers are a toaster powered by a strung out, dying, aged hamster

[jovial lodge]

Yes, they have given some info about the limitations of the engine

As it pertains to snow & rain

[unborn dagger]

So does this mean that they'd need to make a new game or just modify the engine if they even can?

[zealous scarab]

im not sure how the audio works for compounds that have basements. I was up in the bell tower at Healing Waters and the noise that hunters were making in the basement sounded like it is was directly below me rather than in the basement. Same goes for compounds like pitching. Yet from a distance shots fired from the basement get muffled. Sounds coming from the basement should be faint at best and easily discernable from noise at the ground level.

[unborn dagger]

Basement sound effects are kinda messed up in this game

[vital drum]

Are you sure about that?

Cryengine has support for both rain and snow, I mean hell, we had a snowy scene in the menu in Hunt

I think they even mentioned trying rain at some point, but it obviously reduced the value of audio, so it got canned

I hate rain in games where audio is important

But yeah, of course there are Cryengine games with rain, Kingdom Come Deliverance is a more recent example

And funnily enough, there's a game called SNOW

Which is about winter sports and it's all covered in snow hehe

It's more of a question of should than could of course

[steady prism]

You had your nerf... now shut it...

just because there is a weapon thats not been nerfed to hell and back, doesnt mean this has to keep going on and on...

[unborn smelt]

I think one could make a very good rain setting in hunt, but it'd likely be very taxing on performance and would be a tonn, like a fuck tonn of work

What i would have in mind is instead of the rain drowning out sound - it could essentially invert which areas/surfaces are louder and which are quieter. like small pitter patter on metal and water surfaces drown out steps on those surfaces to a degree, but muddy steps are very loud in comparison.

however that would also mean all of the sounds would need to be changed/remade just for that one weather effect which is just too much

[tardy wharf]

I also think high quality rain (as you would expect from Hunt) would just be a performance nightmare (especially on consoles)

[somber harbor]

yeah hunt has enough performance issues on console rn

especially desalle

a snow map would be nice though

not having active snow but just having snow that's on the ground

[queen jungle]

with consoles it’s not so much a performance issue as it is a hardware issue

[tardy wharf]

Yeah, just snowy terrain would be enough, doesn't need to be a weather effect.

[tardy wharf]

Which is pretty much the same thing

[somber harbor]

really what I want is for the other times of day to be increased

I know they changed them because of people using filters and stuff but god it's so annoying having the same daytime all night most of the time since the others are a far lower chance

also feel like half of it was just players having bad mindsets towards the thought of getting ambushed on a night map

idk how a filter could affect a fog map though

[tardy wharf]

i can't get behind it either, nighttime is the best time imo

[somber harbor]

also is it even possible to get desalle nighttime? I've never seen it before

I'd actually like the map better if I could get it on nighttime

[tardy wharf]

It's not even just filters, on my monitor the game is way brighter at night than on my friends monitor.
When setting it up i just chose a preset i liked (way before i played hunt) and see there, it's apparently too bright to be fair

[somber harbor]

yeah my tv is always at max brightness because I play with my window open

my pal had to adjust his brightness because he wasn't seeing stuff we were seeing and we had a joke of him needing to go get his eyes checked

but yeah just change your monitor settings lmao

night and fog maps add a nice break up of the gameplay though

sometimes you'd get them when you decided to use a scope or something and you'd have to adjust to the situation

which is nice

it's stuff like these maps that makes me think KDA needs to go because one of my mates hates them because he dies on them and his KDA goes down

[tardy wharf]

It's a weird problem hunt is having here. I mean, as PC gamers, we changed the brightness or gamme up since multiplayer games were invented. and now it's an issue in Hunt. I mean the game looks still super cool on my screen and i still can't really use scopes.

[somber harbor]

doesn't care if he dies normally, just that his KDA decreases

even on console we change our settings to be ideal for performance

idk why people are just so afraid of night maps when they can just do what they need to make them brighter

cause tbh, anyone who regularly plays hunt no longer plays for the "atmosphere" of the game

[tardy wharf]

true

[somber harbor]

same goes for any pvp game

[tardy wharf]

i like the randomness of it all, adapt to the situation. if i'd play sniper every game, sure extracting makes sense at night. but that's kind of boring.
And the game giving in to these one-tricks is kind of disheartening

[jovial lodge]

I think it was less "we can't" and more "this would be very taxing for the engine" but I can dig it up when I've got some time.

[somber harbor]

yeah I don't like how devs end up catering to people like this, reminds me of when overwatch was focusing only on esports and killed the fun of the game due to it

I mean hell, bringing in shotguns and getting a night or fog map is the best feeling as well

and even then they weren't all too common before they decreased the chances of them spawning so idk why they changed them at all

[tardy wharf]

yeah, and these people will still dodge night games, reducing the chances of getting into one won't change that

[maiden pelican]

@swift dagger it already works like that for melee

[swift dagger]

so why is it so easy to not 1shot someone with a 150dmg heavy

[somber harbor]

Hell actually they should add a reward for actually extracting with the bounty on a night or fog map just do encourage people to do it

[swift dagger]

i dont use it too much but iv seen my friend bayonet charge a lot and sometimes he hits dead centre and they dont die

[maiden pelican]

What weapon?

[swift dagger]

musket martini mosin baynet

[somber harbor]

like just add an extra incentive to get people to not dodge the game

[swift dagger]

sabre

[maiden pelican]

If your hitbox hits the chest or head they die, even if it goes through their legs/arms from the sidd

Now if the hitbox only hits the arms or gut

[swift dagger]

gut melee doesnt kill?

[maiden pelican]

For saber and Bayonet nope

167 damage to chest, the store damage required for a gutshot to kill is 185 or higher

So bomblance light attack wil almost instant kill to the gut

[swift dagger]

hm i feel like it should kill but whatever, ill look out for the limb piercing mechanic next time

[maiden pelican]

Hey bayonets used to not even kill to the chest

[swift dagger]

yikes, would make winfield musket so bad, ur basically doubling the reload time of a swift to get a pointy stick

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Quads mode

Description: 4 player bounty hunt mode

4 people could easily lock down a compound so it would be best to make 4 player que single bounty only so that the group holding compound has to deal with many hunters should they want to lock down the boss compound

Max player amount should be upped in this particular mode to 16 people so that you can have 4 full squads on the map at a given time (like with 12 player trios)

pros: bigger fights more often with more people
cons: likely would be stressful on the servers and has no real place atm in the lore of the game afaik```

[silk steeple]

When you play the training mode game runs perfect, bo stutter, no fps drop , no texture bug, but once you are online conected to a critek server the performance is horrible, why cant you guys put good servers in the game and solve the problems, most of the issues are all server related. 2 years of perfomance dropping and still the same shit servers in the game.

[near wadi]

i assume it's for preventing bait and switch messages

[jovial lodge]

(To my knowledge) it's not related to edits, the bot just occasionally fails to add reactions. I added them manually for ya

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I think it was just a coincidence, I can edit my posts in the channel fine without losing the reactions

It's a known issue that the bot occasionally doesn't add reactions though

[pearl bolt]

@mellow nebula why would someone want an item wheel? It's for consoles. In fact GTA and RDR2 have it because it's a console game. No serious shooter has it. And we don't need it.

[empty oasis]

It also would be way slower than just getting used to scrolling or tapping num keys

[pallid idol]

A weapon wheel as an option could be useful for people more used to controllers

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[finite sapphire]

Because it makes selecting items easier. If you don't need it, don't use it.

[finite sapphire]

Scrolling is much slower and more imprecise than a quick select wheel. Keys are ideal, but have fun finding enough keys around WASD while still allowing full movement.

No clue why this idea got so many downvotes, seems like a no brainer, especially for accessibility and the fact that it already exists.

[crystal plume]

"No serious shooter has it"

Made this edit a while ago although it was pointless as console has it already anyways

I wouldn't mind it as a optional thing

[unborn dagger]

I don't even know why PC doesn't have it exactly where as consoles do

[noble harbor]

most mouse have two side buttons nowadays, u can reach to atleast the number 5 with your index finger. use t,c,z for consumables 1-3, mouse wheel up from primary weapon for the 4th consumable

i don't really care whether they add it or not, because it's simply not as efficient as having keybinds

[crystal plume]

I think it's way more efficient to have it where you hold one key for tools, another for consumables and then just swipe with a mouse and let go

Instead of having to fill up so many keybinds that could be used for other things

I have my discord mute and ingame voice chat on my mouse side buttons

[noble harbor]

how is it more efficient if it takes longer to equip something

[crystal plume]

I don't think it would

[grizzled mural]

think about how quickly people flickshot... that's how fast you can use a weapon wheel 😄

[crystal plume]

It's the same argument as hunter vs gunslinger aiming essentially, having to do an extra input =/= the action is slower

[grizzled mural]

I was just thinking about this today, I'd definitely give the weapon wheel a try

I think I've lost more than a few fights because I was fumbling with the scroll select delay looking for a frag or a vit shot

haven't built up the muscle memory for consumables binds yet

[noble harbor]

maybe i'm imagining this feature the wrong way. aren't you supposed to press a button to make the circular thing show up, then choose an item?

[grizzled mural]

esp hard given the uncontrollable order of items

hold key, weapon wheel instantly overlays, direction is calculated by single frame mouse movement delta, release to confirm, boom

you can hold the key and take a look at stuff if you're not sure, but if you know where things are you could do it very quickly

[noble harbor]

yea that's slower than just press t for vitality shots (comsumable 1), etc

atleast the way i'm imagining it

[grizzled mural]

nobody said it was faster than a keybind

[noble harbor]

but like i said no harm in implementing it

diiba was

[grizzled mural]

nah, he said he'd rather save the keybind real-estate

[noble harbor]

^

[crystal plume]

Imagine if apex legends had only the option to bind all healing items on different keys instead of the wheel

It's much more fast paced and the wheel works great on it

I'm sure it wouldn't be slower on hunt either

And I said it would be more efficient, not faster

[unborn dagger]

If only they would fix the issue with the weapon wheel where it for whatever reason decides to not choose the thing you're clearly pushing your left stick to.

[noble harbor]

u did refute it'd be slower but whatever. even if they decide to add it, doesn't take anything from keybind users

[grizzled mural]

hunt do be buggy

[unborn dagger]

Indeed

[grizzled mural]

esp the ui

i feel bad for them, its gotta be such a spaghetti mess of c++

[unborn dagger]

The UI is just begging to be like Destiny 2s

Also where is my controller mapping at Crytek?...

[opaque moss]

Please devs, activate proton compatibility for EAC:
#game-ideas message

[crystal plume]

@queen jungle Crytek does care https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/3191364956938130750/

[queen jungle]

Well I shared the details. I say they don't care because this is a chronic issue just like with server just like with stutter just like with frame rate. Game is full of problems and they keep adding crap. Fix the game.

Can't even place a darn bear trap right now. Seriously.

Fix the game, Crytek.

If they cared they'd do something about it. Posting about it and just breaking it over and over means nothing to me.

[crystal plume]

They can't do anything about it if there's not enough data to show what should be done or if anything needs to be done, hence why they posted that steam discussions post

[queen jungle]

I will stop ranting now. It would not be so frustrating if it wasn't just constant trash talk and stuff .. I mean seriously now. This game is not fun right now in this moment.

[crystal plume]

And the beartrap bug came in the last update which has been out for only 3-4 days

They will hotfix it when they have it ready

[queen jungle]

More bugs, more bugs, more bugs.

[vague patio]

they shouldnt update hunt anymore

[glass fable]

@trail plume About your 3 videos, the first one you simply have intense bleeding (there is 3 stage of bleeding) got shot from the left side while you stopping it, see no problem there. Second video you have 11-12 health and you march into barb wire.. don't know what you expected, but barb does dmg and bleeding. and Third video it was not a Dsync, you simply have a light knife. Even on headshot with this knife on a full health player, it does not kill him. only the hvy knife does. I had this happen to me multiple time and i switch to hvy knife and never had it anymore for over 6month. Sorry you had a bad time in the Bayou. Its a harsh world out there.

[unborn smelt]

You're right about the first one, the second one They did start stopping the bleed which should stop the dmg, however the 60 Ping alone meight be enough to get them killed there or even system latency.
And the third one, your info is plain wrong. All melee tools kill to the head with a heavy attack, the dusters are the only ones that can fail if the enemy has hornskin.

So no you don't need a heavy knife to OHK to head

But it's still a perfectly normal trade, no desync there

[glass fable]

The funny part is that i have been grinding the library of guns latelly, took a while then i started to prestige again and was stuck using the light knife again. I am use to kill with knife i got at least 1 every 2 or 3 game. never had any problem with the hvy one and 2 days ago, twice with the light knife it did not killed the player, same shot as i always do with the hvy and that always killed. So maybe review the OHK on the light one because it almost never OHK unless the other player if heavily dmg first. Always had that issue before and just remember it when i started to use it again because of prestige.

Also as you mention it when he hit stop bleeding, i never saw it, the video cut so fast. I see it now.

[crystal plume]

@unreal bane Was it long ammo? Because that can pen metal sheets even without fmj

[leaden compass]

Hunt dollar boost is OP

[crude mica]

Is there no hard counter to concertina bombs? I don't think dynamitesticks destroy it anymore

[crystal plume]

They do

Slash type melee attacks and real explosives are the only way

Or well, can also shoot with long ammo to break them but that's not exactly a viable method

[sullen zephyr]

@empty oasis why would you be against performance boosting updates ???

[crystal plume]

I see no point in suggesting it as optimization attempts are part of pretty much every update

DLSS I'd welcome but that's a separate thing

[sick anvil]

That might be true but optimization on every patch does not seem to work that well either , it would definitely not hurt the game to have one patch dedicated to bring up the FPS back to at least the state of 1.3 / 1.4 as the game FPS for me AVG dropped from over 160 to 120 on the same system

[trail plume]

@glass fable in the first video i gues yall both miss the part where im behind the tombstone then teleport backwards back out into the open to get shot... My deaths were about server delay/ping issues. I wasnt questioning my deaths. Im calling out the server not taking data inputs correctly. The 2nd video is by the least offending of the 3. The first one the server literally puts me back out in the open to get shot even though im behind cover prior. The 3rd video again the person DIED to my swing but we traded. My issue is that trading shouldn't be a thing. Espscially if you swing first. Unless the server can prove you swing at the same time. In the video you can clearly see that i swing get a hit marker. My hp hasnt appeared meaning i havent received damage yet then boom we both die. The grace period for damage input after actions is way to high. Please engage with the topic at hand not calling out the death. Im aware of how one tapping with tools work. I understand bleeding then getting shoot kills you...

[sick anvil]

and driver also have not been updated since 456.71 ( October 2020)

[digital nacelle]

you can also shoot them with fmj

which is actually extremely viable with pistol pairs which give you boatloads of ammo

[unborn smelt]

Well rewatching the first one - you're right. you got teleported back there

on the second one however it's a completely regular trade, that always was like that in Hunt, since way before trades were this big with firearms.
That they die alone doesn't mean you can't die to their attack in return, thus not preventing a trade

As for the tool part i told this to the guy that answered to you claiming they don't OHK to head

that response was not meant for you

[trail plume]

I knew it wasnt i was just explaining all and tagged you both. Instead of two messages. But my point still stands the grace period for trading is way to high and needs to be toned down.

[unborn smelt]

"Please engage with the topic at hand not calling out the death."

Regarding this specifically - i did engage in that quite a lot, lemme try to explain what i think why melee trades are so common, and always have been.
If you initiate a melee attack there is a noticable delay between the input and the attack finally connecting - you can see that easiest with the out of stamina attack of for example an axe becuse there the delay is so high it's very noticable. So what i think happens with melee trades is attacks the server has already received the input of continue to be executed even if you die mid swing.

Now, disclaimer i do not have the needed insider knowlege so i can only guess

[trail plume]

Yeah... thats my issue. Id rather lose the knife fight than trade out because the grace period for server delay is to high. If you have high ping which im almost sure as to why the time frame is so high you should just kinda have to deal. Trading feels sooo fucken bad in this game. Especially when on your end its looking like you are swinging first. Or its covering for bad netcode. Which is a whole other issue if its the case.

[trail plume]

Also sorry if my message towards you came across more intense than intended. It was a catch all for both of you. On my phone so figured one message was easier than two plus hunt discord likes to not be open minded. So its easy to be defensive. Since everything is just lol git gud hunt is perfect no changes.

[unborn smelt]

the thing is according to all the info we got, it's not high ping that's the cause. Now to a degree ping is always a part of it but if the invalidation works correctly, which it seems to do as far as we know.
However it's easy for people to always balme it on high ping and that crytek doesn't care about high ping. In the second video with the concertina there could be a multitude of issues, as it's a pretty small time frame so it could be your own 60 ping and/or system latency, or a small amount of packet loss, because we don't know if the channeling animation is serverside or clientside, so you could see the channel animation already but in the short time the info travels to the server the first dmg tick already registered. So it's not necessarily on cryteks side. Now don't get me wrong Hunt is not perfect, it's even in a pretty buggy state rn and the feedback that stuff feels bad is definetly important.

As for melee it's the same, we don't know how exactly it come to the trading, and claiming high ping is easy. But we also know that the trades in melee happen against regular opponents that don't have high ping, especially in melee combat

Also no offense taken - and i do understand the typical, "hunt perfect git gud" isn't helping anyone either. So yes the first one where you're teleported back is valid critizism ofc. the second one with the concertina there could have gone a lot of stuff wrong, it's good it's there, however there is also the chance for it to be legit that the 50 ping was enough for you to pull the short straw there. The third one, saying trading sucks is again valid critizism crytek needs to hear - but again we lack the insider knowlege to actually find the problem, if there is one or why it's implemented the way it is

[queen jungle]

@tardy coyote MMR exists to provide better info about matchmaking, it is not a progression "goal" or anything like that. It's an informative rating, not a ranking where the top X% should earn exclusive stuff.

[tardy coyote]

then add ranks ?

pretty please

[queen jungle]

We already have a leaderboard, although KD is admittedly not a good value for that. Something like [Total bounty extracted]/[total matches played] would be better imo.

[lime tree]

Progression is the bloodline rank, then after that your prestige, or to some MMR. I don't exactly know how additional progress bars would improve the game or the experience.

[unborn smelt]

well smth that could be cool is a faction system that allows you to grind themed cosmetics, or ranks with a faction.

Lore wise factions for Hunt could be the AHA with more "clean" looking skins poslished and engraved weapons and Hunter skins that look clean like hardin for example.
the cult of the night seer could be a second one, more religious skins like night acolyte or bonedoc, and guns with more ritualistic engravings like the night terrors or blasted heath.

and i'm sure there could be even more factions in the lore.

[unborn dagger]

How is there people out there that are against cross progression lol

[lime tree]

Now that would be cool. Numbers and ranks and stuff don't do it for me, though. They feel very arbitrary.

[lime tree]

@rugged wigeon Redskull Revive got nerfed in the most recent update. Deals 50 damage to the one doing the revive, and you'll know that the other is on 25 or 50 HP at most because they've lost all other health chunks. I feel like that's enough, TBH.

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Weapon: Spear
2 or 3 slot, really not sure
Light melee: wide swing like martini riposte
Heavy melee: thrust like bayonet
ADS: thrown ability, retrievable```

[tropic pebble]

is it supposed to burn so much hp with a romero dragon's breath single shot?
https://youtu.be/5rlHJ0msj-E?t=32

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[grand umbra]

Linux support please

[hardy cliff]

25 WHOLE BLOOD BONDS, for 5 days of consecutive work, oh thanks cryteck you're sooooooo generous.

[lime tree]

uh.. I mean... work? is it really? Its certainly not a lot of BB, and I dont like daily rewards as a thing because they're used to create FOMO, but... work?

[hardy cliff]

.. participation.

[digital nacelle]

I mean honestly it’s free bb I wasn’t getting before

so I don’t mind

[hardy cliff]

i could give you free insults if youd like

[vague patio]

cool

[lime tree]

chad

[hardy cliff]

Richard

[vague patio]

@keen violet yea, nagant is in a bad place. Literaly just the gun to take and replace.
There are some fine things, like the unlock tree, bigger ammo pool, and hv. But they are really weak, as they either never come to play or can be replaced.
rof and accuracy are the two most obvious options.
id prefer they do an accuracy buff, cause that doesnt effect the other weapon in the unlock tree (mainly silencer); Rof would also have an effect on silencer

[keen violet]

and for those "fine things i can answer you"
. unlock tree (scottfield. and romero are base unlocked and pretty fucking great)
. bigger ammo pool (but that should be compared to caldwell conv. or even lemat which both have very serviceable pools themselves
. HV ammo (well if your taking THIS just to carry more HV for your winfield. it makes the gun a glorified ammo box. and thus not really being used for what the GUN itself is

so i mean i know you agree
but what i want to argue is. that EVEN with those "points" in mind. i still feel that the nagant doesnt really succed IN those either

(ps. and thats not really taking in account most people dont prestige that much. AND even if they do free hunter often come with other secondaries that are usually better like scottfield. or conv)

[vague patio]

silencer and precision i menat with unlock tree, they have theirplace

but yea,you such said what i mean

usually you dont even run out of ammo either way

[keen violet]

oh i see. and i do agree. they are both pretty damn great as they are in fact. precision is one of my favorites for QM loadouts.
but that falls back to. just cause its got. good. .. options AFTER unlocking doesnt really make itself great

[digital nacelle]

how is that relevant

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[unborn dagger]

Lol

[ionic valve]

The reason I'm getting desync is cause there's too much pve taking up memory

This is bs I should had at least 3 kills earlier..but noo mfs just teleport

Tone the pve down so I can pvp proper

[sick anvil]

What does getting stuck on objects count as ? desync ?

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[vague patio]

prime example of people spitting theories as factsdespite not knowing anything

[steady prism]

Theres so much salt in #feedback that really is a dark zone 😅

[vague patio]

lots of reasons

why should they stay?

thats more of a question

[plush ledge]

When you fail to block them that's your fault

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Its more like a race between you and another team, maybe a third, to get the bounty, fight, and if you win snd keep bounty, either maybe go for other boss or gtfo.```

[burnt cairn]

:(

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[burnt cairn]

Yeah ik, and i have before

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[burnt cairn]

Didn't realise other messages got deleted tho

[steady prism]

We mostly do it like this... Go towards nearest boss, banish it, wait for a while if someone comes and then go to extract or towards the second boss if it hasnt been banished yet...

Idrc about players that smack their asses between us and nearest exit and wait there....

You want the bounty then you come and get it...

Id much rather reset, get da cash and queue for another game than chase a band of chickens around the map.... Especially when i have the bounty already

[brave bison]

2-50 not updating kills

[crystal plume]

If that is the meathead one then you need to kill them with melee

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It just occurred to me that a Barber character would be pretty cool.. Especially seen as during the time period Hunt Showdown is set in they were referred to as Barber-Surgeons and performed all manor of grizzly medical tasks. His melee weapon could be a cut throat blade / straight razor. And considering the classic Barber aesthetic and colour scheme I'd say the game is ripe for it.```Attachments:
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[uneven steppe]

Have we had any Dev feedback on how this update missed the mark for so many and what's going to be done?

[grizzled mural]

I just hope that they review their development practices so that the posted changelogs more accurately represent the changes made to the game. That, and I hope that they test the builds a little more thoroughly... just play a few rounds. I apologize if this already happens consistently, but help me understand how the work associated with the 1.7.2 changelog resulted in beartrap placement failing 80% of the time... or how the ai population seems to have doubled.

[acoustic hawk]

hello together. Is it discussed (i think so) to have footprints in areas where it makes sense, and which go away after a time. Like in muddy ground or river border?

[unborn smelt]

@fair oyster They already make a very distinct sound when thrown

[vague patio]

except with wishpersmith

[unborn smelt]

you can hear the "tensioning" of the spring when thrown

[unborn smelt]

wispersmith shouldn't silence the throw sounds

[vague patio]

yea, i meant the selecting when the hunter get the bomb in their hands

not the actual throwinh

misread

[agile heron]

Why on earth has no relevant hunt dlc still not been on sale for console players ? Mods keep blaming Sony, and that may be true, but to what degree ? It's been 4 or 5 months. Your PC dlc is literally constantly and completely on sale. Console gets the first 3 dlc discounted once in a blue moon, and once a year we may get a relevant sale for veteran players. I'll keep logging in for your events, and then maybe down the road you can cater to console players a little bit.

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I’m sure this has been suggested before, but I’m new, and would like to see a peek/lean feature in the game, this adds a more tactical element to games, and I feel it would fit nicely within hunt showdown, also would be nice to see a prone feature added as well, there could be some kind of mechanic added to the lean, and the prone to make it more “hunt showdown style” and a little different compared to other games, like a cooldown or something like that. Could also make it so you could hitch your weapon objects, these mechanics would be a great addition to this amazing game, if done properly of course, Is there any possibility of these mechanics being added?```

[rugged wigeon]

its not enough at all, it should not be in the game, if people are bad enough to die 3-5 times why the fuck should they still get infinite revives?

[meager hound]

because their teammate at least is doing good,

[grizzled mural]

Secure the body, they can only revive by sitting still on top it. If you can down the one being rezzed, why can't you down the others?

If they're dying 3-5 times to someone complaining about redskull, that says less about them and more about you.

If you want to play long, reposition and get them when they're in the open.

[tribal wyvern]

@cunning shuttle
Well it wasn't a left peek, so it wasn't a peekers advantage. Possibly that you were showing to much of your upper body, so he saw your head.

[grizzled mural]

I think that's his point. He thought he was safe behind cover because all he could see was hay bale, but in reality his head was sticking up.

[tribal wyvern]

Doesn't look like it's behind the haybale

The skull

[grizzled mural]

I don't really know how to read it, that's just my guess. It'd be nice if the kill view showed where the player model was according to the server rather than the abstract icon.

[cunning shuttle]

@tribal wyvern i din't write peak, there are tons of places where one can't see the other but the other can see you because of the weird camera positioning, this is not the first time i die because of this, and no i realy don1t mention here the peak it is the same problem with the camera position but these are two different things

[tribal wyvern]

I never said you did either, can you quote where i did?

[tacit mortar]

without any harm or hate, just a question: Isn't it funny that almost all the times I (you probably too) got kill by a Weapon, its was most likely a headshot? Of cause most kills a deliver by weapon (pistol, gun, Rifle, ..) are headshots too. Funny is, other times my aim so poor, I can't hit a barn from the inside... Is it just me or is headshot the "normal" dead? No other cause valid in the bayou? just saying... kinda funny.

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[uneven steppe]

so that's a fat NO then

[steady vapor]

a lot of sweaty people here hate fun, prime example just look whenever someone mentions arena mode so they can practice aiming and actually experience the gunplay

[noble harbor]

nvm :d

boss showed up couldnt swear

[normal horizon]

Might be able to answer had you given more info about what you meant by what you said. What missed the mark on what :)

Being specific is often helpful to get an answer

[noble harbor]

[grizzled mural]

If me and the homies have been getting dominated all night, have the bounty, scan, and see an easy out, we're going to take it.

If we've been crushing it, we're probably going to be pushing for double bounties every single time.

As much as I love the weapons in Hunt, I play it for all the things outside of the gunfights, for the things that make it unique. I like that not every match ends in a wipe. If you want more combat, i'd argue make some noise to draw people to your location, play quickplay, or play another game entirely.

[uneven steppe]

The bear traps don't work, the Chary donation is an empty waste and a trap to waste money on while, the daily and weekly targets for specific bosses are still there when you are unable to select the contract, the huge sellback reduction devaluing Legendaries, the dual nerf too much, the dragon breath too little, the fanning and levering nerf too much, adding more pistols means you get more often dual wielding hunters which are worse than ever, being shot through rock. I've been specific before but it has not got a response, but I was asking if there was an update / acknowledgement.

[normal horizon]

Most of this is just changes that need to settle for a bit. I'm unsure what you want to have acknowledged about it since it takes some time to let changes settle and gather info about it then.

Beartraps not working consistently is known tho 🙂

[grizzled mural]

I guess you misunderstood me and that's fair. I just think, the objective of the game is to get the bounty. If you can get out without wiping the server, I think that's exciting. I like that matches can play out differently every time. If every match ends up in a wipe, trekking the bounty to the extract is just a chore.

I like that wipes are not the only resolution to a match. I love that moment when you're surrounded and you realize the other teams are distracted with eachother, and you can sneak out. I love the ensuing chase, and the potential to flip from flight to fight and back when circumstances change.

I plan ambushes, I storm compounds, but if I have the bounty and nobody is in position to stop me, I think that's on them. I'm not always going to put the bounty at risk for the sake of a kill.

I enjoy the gunfights immensely, but the reason I play Hunt instead of some other shooter is because of everything else going on in the game.

[uneven steppe]

Most of this is just changes that need to settle for a bit. 😕

[grizzled mural]

Its too early to judge whether balance changes have had the intended effects. Some subset of the community will always be upset about buffs or nerfs because its a natural emotional reaction, but its not always in line with reality. The developers collect metrics about what players are doing in-game, and so with time they will collect enough to say whether or not their changes went too far or not enough.

Hearing some players getting angry a few days after the patch is a lot different than seeing that dualie kills have gone down 50%.

[uneven steppe]

if it were just balance changes i wouldn't be asking

[grizzled mural]

It goes the same for any change, the initial emotional reaction from players doesn't necessarily match up with reality. Whatever their goals were with the daily rewards etc, you can imagine that they're watching metrics and tracking success. If everyone stopped playing the game, that'd be a very different signal for them than some comments on the discord.

Its simple to say, the majority of us hate free to play, lootbox, behavioural manipulation layers on top of games, but the metrics say they're doing their job, and players continue to play /shrug

Line go up.

[tribal wyvern]

@ruby harbor
Wtf is that argument?
Beedyboy can't play other games?? Hes only allowed to play Hunt?

O.o

[uneven steppe]

metric on chary, existing daily / weekly bounties, being shot through rock, hunters available excessively dual wield...

[unborn dagger]

Cause Hunt is life

[grizzled mural]

Getting shot through a rock definitely seems unintended and I've never seen it happen myself in 800 hours, so I'd recommend gathering some evidence to help them diagnose and reproduce the issue. If I had to guess, its the camera position / character posture mismatch problem where you thought you were behind cover but your head was sticking out. It's something they're working on. That or lag.

Regarding free hunters having dualies too often, I agree with you, I'd love to see more variety. That's subjective though and the devs might not see it as an issue.

Regarding existing daily / weekly bounties, those definitely feel out of place without the contracts system, but it sounds like they plan to revisit at some point, just not their #1 priority.

[uneven steppe]

i did provide evidence...

[grizzled mural]

If I had to guess, its the camera position / character posture mismatch problem where you thought you were behind cover but your head was sticking out. It's something they're working on. That or lag.

That position you're in looks mighty dicey on account of the de-sync problems. I wouldn't trust anything about that situation haha. I get where you're coming from, its really frustrating.

[smoky edge]

When? Harry Beast has a point. Evidence will help.

[uneven steppe]

@smoky edge search if you really care

[smoky edge]

I did

There is none

That's why I asked

[uneven steppe]

Hairy found it.

[grizzled mural]

its true, he put it in #bug-reports-pc

[smoky edge]

That's weird my search isn't picking it up

Oh well

[grizzled mural]

its because you're using bing

[smoky edge]

lol

[uneven steppe]

rofl

[steady prism]

@keen osprey agreed... Bornheim uses smallest cartridge of all compact weapons and yet hunter can carry the least of ammo for it... should be buffed

especially since it tends to use a lot of boolets in process of killing someone

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[keen osprey]

My thoughts exactly. With my experience, it seems like 1 clip nets you roughly 1 kill. Which means the weapon has pretty terrible value consider its current ammo capacity

[steady prism]

ye more or less true

[keen osprey]

You should check out the poll on the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/si4zkv/should_the_bornheim_and_the_bornheim_match_get_an/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

It seems like many members of the community share our sentiment

[steady prism]

with match its a bit easier to get kills, since its more accurate and deals more damage... but still... one clip per enemy is usually how it goes

[keen osprey]

Hopefully the devs take note

My problem with the match is that you pay a ton of money, you use 2 slots, and then you're given very little ammo

I think at least 1 more clip for the match would be nice, imo (given the price) 2 extra clips would be ideal

[queen quail]

fix thye sound bug.... fix the trap bug...

[lime tree]

My Crossbow Deadeye suggestion was removed... is it because its a spoiler for next update, or so bad it needed to be removed 🤔

[steady prism]

I like it simply bcs standart xbow sights are worse than shiet

[lime tree]

they really are

[steady prism]

Btw, if it was deleted instantly after you wrote it, its possible that it got removed by rudebot... Theres this kinda dumb feature on this discord that if you write a word thats considered as swearing, it removes your post without telling you why...

[lime tree]

It wasn't instantly removed

[steady prism]

Then mods should explain why it was taken down

Or at least they do so afaik

[lime tree]

🤞 its spoilers for planned content

[steady prism]

Hopefully

@late wind i genuinly think that they should remove or at least severely limit the oneshot capability of frags

Its insanely op

It already deals heavy bleed and has huge range, which is fine... But it shouldnt ohk 150hp dude at 15 meters

Dmg should be capped to 149 at the closest point, so you take dmg and get killed by first tick of bleed, if it lands underneath ur feet

But it shouldnt instakill, there are dynamites that should do so instead

[late wind]

Unpopular opinion, apparently. People are desperate for any kind of OHK that doesn't require them to expose themselves. Easier than learning to aim I guess.

[bronze quail]

Nah is not that op

And most of the times is really easy to avoid explosives imo

Make it deal 149hp + bleed would make it useless

[late wind]

How can you avoid it when it wraps around or goes through all your cover?

[bronze quail]

Run

The only way to avoid frag is by running without stopping

You just keep running until explodes.

And most of the times it works.
And if you still die that means that you would have died even with another explosive imo

[late wind]

That's not the case with any other explosive. You can protect yourself from everything else with cover.

[bronze quail]

Frag is not like any other explosives. Why they should be all the same?

If someone throws a bundle at me i get in cover, if someone throws a frag i start running.

[late wind]

Because frags shouldn't be that strong. Full stop.

[bronze quail]

Nah. Full stop.

[queen jungle]

Pls, change the thing where hunters can kill each other, this is so wrong and happens to often to be fun, this should not happen at all, maybe once in hundred times would be realistic

[unborn dagger]

Frag is a bleed type of explosive. It definitely shouldn't ohk like the frag arrows

[ionic kernel]

i think being close enough to a frag grenade to be damaged by both the explosion and the shrapnel that's at terminal velocity should kill you instantly

[unborn dagger]

It should just be a bleed type of consumable not an explosive that can kill you instantly

Either that or raise the price on frags to be the same like Big Dynamite

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[fading tusk]

for @whole tendon's suggestion, maybe not highlight but add the small white glow that dark sight used to give to dead bodies by default

[elder elm]

i agree maybe like blade seer or the one that shows traps

[normal vine]

dynamite go through walls brr

[whole tendon]

ya i don't care what the visual is. Just need a way of tracking dead bodies.. Vulture makes perfect sense, and gives that trait a bit of a buff outside of events, especially when paired with packmule

[unborn dagger]

True

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[cerulean wraith]

I am back and ready to rage against lootboxes

Prepare ur butts

[queen jungle]

what loot boxes

[late wind]

Are y'all just ready to admit you don't like Cain because he killed your voodoo waifu without pants on?

[cerulean wraith]

The 4th Mr. Chary reward

We had a verbal melee over this on the 30th of january

[wooden pawn]

you guys are just wasting time here giving feedbacks and shit. You think that the devs are going to listen to you? Probably the most adamant and least receptive devs here. spend your time better

[cerulean wraith]

No.

I love this game

And I don't want to see it go down the shitty monetisation route

I won't stop.

So don't don't bother asking me to.

[late wind]

I'd buy 100 lootboxes if they went full ham on the mechanical/historical accuracy of the weapons in game.

[cerulean wraith]

You know what?

I will buy 1 pack of blood bonds

If they FIX NIGHT (day 18 of asking)

[pliant wren]

Do you mean fix night by making it more common?

[cerulean wraith]

I have like 7 different suggestions in #game-ideas

Search "in:suggestions-ideas night fix"

Night has issues. Just increasing its chance or making it a separate contract would be suboptimal

Ther are other potential fixes for making it fairer

[pliant wren]

If it were my choice I'd make player render opacity be linked primarily to light level and distance during night maps. Good luck throwing on a filter to see things that literally aren't rendered.

[cerulean wraith]

What

I don't follow

[pliant wren]

As in, if you're more than 120 meters away from another player in darkness, your model is not rendered by their video card. If you're in low light, your model is rendered at 20% opacity, meaning you're basically a shadow. No graphics card filter would be able to work around that.

[cerulean wraith]

I don't think that's a good solution

[pliant wren]

It would make fuzees, flair guns, and star shot useful.

[cerulean wraith]

It primarily affects play at range which is already difficult enough

And wouldn't do anything to dissuade camping

Which is the main issue players seem to have with night

[pliant wren]

The complaints I've always seen are 'people just use filters to turn night to day.'

[cerulean wraith]

In fact this would only make camping stronger by making already camouflaged players invisible

Exacerbating the problem

Yeah no

I much prefer the "subtle rim lighting" solution

[pliant wren]

I don't think it would encourage camping because it works both ways, but to each his own. Besides, if they didn't want people camping they'd have nerfed long ammo and slugs.

[cerulean wraith]

I have no problems with either

Long ammo in particular has never been more balanced

[pliant wren]

Well, yeah, it's balanced for camping.

[cerulean wraith]

No, it's balanced for optimal ballistics at range

[pliant wren]

Which you need when camping.

[cerulean wraith]

Depends.

Plus long ammo interacts with the health system in a particular way. Getting downed once makes you an almost guaranteed long ammo one shot.

[pliant wren]

I don't see camping as an invalid tactic, I mean, your target can go the opposite direction most of the time, then you have to be on the chase.

[cerulean wraith]

But on the other hand, long ammo rifles have poor DPS up close and are expensive as fu-

I would go on but I just realized this is meaningless, seeing how Crytek has, in their infinite wisdom, flooded the system with stupid daily rewards, random rewards and lootboxes

Unless you die every game there is no reason not to run mosin almost every match from a financial standpoint

for now.

And we've come full circle.

Speaking of, Crytek has said in a recent interview that they are considering night fixes

I dunno what to believe anymore seeing as I've lost all trust and respect for most of the people involved in the management of this game and community

But I hope they get to it

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[sick anvil]

As far I know NVidia filters were disabled . so that argument does not stand thought having a better monitor that has some sort of black correction and or white correction built in can help making visibility on night maps better

on the other hand preventing software tools to effectively do changes is one thing you can not prevent HW to do so

Thus having night in general will create a divide between those who will use tweaks to gain an advantage vs those who are purists or did not find the button on their monitor

[queen jungle]

I think you are being hypernegative and it’s kind of unwarranted

[cerulean wraith]

Of course I'm being hyper negative

The devs who made my favorite game were probably forced to add in lootboxes 5 years after launch by management

And the CMs I had so much respect for hyped it up

It's absolutely warranted because much better avenues for monetization exist and are underused

But fucking lootboxes? Yeah, let's add that in the gaming disaster of a year that is 2022

[queen jungle]

So if you couldn’t pay 100 bbs for the last reward from mr chary it’d be fine to you

[cerulean wraith]

Yes.

But I'd still prefer the system to not exist, along with daily rewards in their current form.

[queen jungle]

why is that? I’ve been enjoying the free rewards

[cerulean wraith]

Because they flood the already worthless economy

[queen jungle]

the economy was already irrelevant if you didn’t prestige

[cerulean wraith]

And are a pipeline for further monetization and/or progression/money earning getting kneecapped

The economy being irrelevant isn't to be taken lightly either. It's a failure of balancing and an artificial issue that can and likely will be "solved" in the worst way.

[queen jungle]

you just advocated for thinking we earn too much money...

and then you complain that it might get kneecapped

I don’t quite follow your logic

[cerulean wraith]

I'm saying that they may kneecap progression in the future to force you to engage with Mr. Chary and the daily system just to scrape by

Possibly by increasing the grind and adding tier skips to the rest of the rewards, making them bona-fide lootboxes

[sick anvil]

The only thing that is against the mr.charry is the facts it is a slippery slope although the devs have said in past dev streams early 2022 they will bring out a transparent statement about monetization of Hunt , yet month has passed second one is on its way and no statement no clarification on that , new semi monetization mechanic is introduced and we still not have heard the transparent message. thus there is lack of trust that the slipery slope will not tilt further and it becomes Jar jar bings Bingo emporeum where they add in DLC at 0.0001. chance to unlock stuffs and inifinite BB rolls

[cerulean wraith]

When someone at at AAA studio says "wE wIlL bE tRaNsPaReNt" in 2022, I immediately lose hope because they won't be.

[sick anvil]

well hunt aint no Triple A

[cerulean wraith]

This exactly.

[sick anvil]

at best quadruple F

[cerulean wraith]

Gaming in general, really. It's full of lies

All the way down to indie in some cases

[queen jungle]

I think the new daily bonus extraction and weekly streak is less invasive than the daily and weekly challenges that already existed

[cerulean wraith]

Aside from it fucking the economy even more

I'd rather they'd made the existing systems better and focused on important shit like drag&drop instead if creating a whole new pointless UI to serve as the future lootbox store

[sick anvil]

what economy there is none , do not prestige and youll be sitting at 80 90 K hunt bucks even before these updates

[queen jungle]

I think if the daily and weekly challenges where what just released and the extraction bonus and streak had already existed you guys would be complaining that these challenges would break the flow of your gameplay and were annoying and such

[sick anvil]

i have been at nearly 100k for the past 600 hours

[cerulean wraith]

Mmr*?

[queen jungle]

the economy is balanced around prestiging, really

[sick anvil]

even before MMR i was at 80K

[queen jungle]

if you’re a great player who wins a lot it’s going to be hard to substantially nerf the economy for you without hurting worse players a lot more

[sick anvil]

Buy Free hunters , have a go to loadout , a money saving one , and you are golden

[cerulean wraith]

The only people who aren't sitting on literal millions (if we adjust hunt bucks for inflation lol) are probably 1-2*

Yeah the econ if fucked, I miss how it used to be

And dread how they're going to "fix" it

[queen jungle]

it’s difficult to balance without doing regular wipes like tarkov

[cerulean wraith]

It can be done thougj

It used to be better

[queen jungle]

got any suggestions?

[cerulean wraith]

Revert to previous patches, remove daily awards, daily multiplier, Mr. Chary

Simple shit really

[queen jungle]

even without these things it was still not hard to make money

[cerulean wraith]

It was better.

It's a start

[queen jungle]

have you considered that perhaps you were a worse player then and therefore had less money?

[cerulean wraith]

I have been decent for quite a while

I'd say I got gud a bit before 1.6, maybe around 1.5

[sick anvil]

if i think about before 1.5 i have burned trough estimated 480 000 hunt dollars from prestige 0-12 because once i hit rank 100 i started to run nitro games only

[queen jungle]

apart from daily missions, all of those things are quite new

[sick anvil]

add in all the money i burned iin prestige 12 that adds up to nearly another quarter of a million

[queen jungle]

before this mr chary/daily extraction bonus was adding it was still not difficult to make money

[sick anvil]

nope my bad that ads up to 1 750 000 hunt bucks

[queen jungle]

well, the economy is clearly made with prestige in mind

[cerulean wraith]

Well I guess I should thank Ksenia and her hairebrained scheme, I can pretty much run Avtomat every game now, thx

Lol

Seriously, last time I played I lost like 6 hunters, won 2 games and still had more money than when I started

[sick anvil]

it was possible to do it well before mr charry

[queen jungle]

that’s what I’m saying

it seems like it’s always been possible to make money easily

[cerulean wraith]

I mean sure but these new rewards aren't helping matters

[sick anvil]

if i do a rough mat on how much hunt dollars i have spent in game since i started playing with the loadouts i have been running ant the rough number of matches 0-12 450 000 + 1 750 000 hunt bucks ,

that makes 2.2Million hunt dollars

and not once have i felt like i am hurting for hunt dollars

if i wanted to have a ridiculous amount of hunt bucks all need to do is run Winnie C and conversion pistol and boom loadout is less than picking up 3 clues

grab 3 clues and loot 1 or 2 hunters for money get out do not even have to banish and extract

[pliant wren]

Pack a Machete, a vitality shot, and a small stam shot and just clue rush for cash. Pick up a gun from a tower once the stam shot runs out. There you go, quick money and contraband weapons.

[sick anvil]

and free hunters if you run them as is only add medkit you can run solo grind all day once the hunter is 25 retire for bloodline and you rack up the rank 100 money on top

[cerulean wraith]

It's a bit ridiculous

[pliant wren]

Well, it's a rather ridiculous way to play too though, crackhead with a shortsword as I call it. You're probably not getting a bounty, though that's not the point.

[sick anvil]

even more ridiculous is playing prime time EU on OCE with a bomb lance and sweeping bounties its booring AF but money

or any low pop server in the middle of the office hours of that region

and before they turned off contracts it was even easier

[queen jungle]

@cerulean wraith I think your idea would lead to a lot worse player retention and new players quitting quickly

[cerulean wraith]

The real problem with player retention isn't the economy, it's the absolute shite player onboarding

The game explains literally nothing

And the tutorial is almost worthless

[queen jungle]

I think you will quit quickly if you have no access to gear and can’t even afford medkits

[silent tartan]

Tutorial is going to be reworked again

[cerulean wraith]

Well that's nice

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[cerulean wraith]

Oh look, someone replying in a channel where replies aren't allowed. Wonder if they'll get muted for 3 days too.

Probably not

[digital nacelle]

we’re adjusting hunt bucks for inflation now? LOL

[queen jungle]

had that trait idea the other day

[cerulean wraith]

If the game explains how to play in a decent manner, that shouldn't happen. And if it still somehow does, it's probably a skill issue.

[digital nacelle]

jokes aside I like the way it is

keep the money flowing

[cerulean wraith]

'Twas a joke

[digital nacelle]

at this rate I’ll hit $1mil in 4 months

[queen jungle]

you shouldn’t punish bad players so much that they cannot even afford basic gear that’s just mean

[cerulean wraith]

SBMM exists. It's a big help for bad players.

So I'm not too concerned

Even when I had a 0.1 K/D I was still retaining 17k

[queen jungle]

but what happens if your nerf the economy

[digital nacelle]

hunt recession

[cerulean wraith]

I was a 0.1 before 1.5.

[queen jungle]

bruh I thought I was bad back with an 0.9 as a new player

[digital nacelle]

big deal you don’t like havin money

I like seeing number go up

:(

[cerulean wraith]

And you can't really run out of money. Even losing gives you enough money to buy essentials and a free hunter.

[digital nacelle]

right now I profit $3000/day running $450 loadouts

yum

[cerulean wraith]

This is exactly what the problem is

[digital nacelle]

oh and a legendary hunter

plague doc always ofc

[queen jungle]

well you’re never stopping people from profiting if they’re winning

[digital nacelle]

problem I get to have fun and see number for up? how that a problem?

[cerulean wraith]

. . .

[pliant wren]

So, is what you're saying "I want new/bad players to be restricted on what they can and can't use, based on money" ?

[cerulean wraith]

No.

The issue is

"The economy is so fucked I can run the most expensive and "meta" guns all time and still make money"

It's causing weapon balance issue.

[queen jungle]

if you’re running an avto every game you have to be winning

[cerulean wraith]

Because there is no point in making a budget loadout and being careful with money, just buy mosin every game

[queen jungle]

to not be losing money

the max you can get from dying is what, 225?

[digital nacelle]

how so lol

[queen jungle]

or 2x for both bosses and then dying

[digital nacelle]

game is balanced badly if u need price