feedback-discussion

[queen jungle]

could have a 10% chance of the carriage spawning too. Breaks the usual style of gameplay.

[lethal oyster]

Actually tho, wanting money is fine. Still the new method of monetization seems stingy and makes me salty

[unborn smelt]

that is absolutely to be expected and i felt the same in the beginning

[lethal oyster]

So what changed?

[unborn smelt]

Well first off one needs to understand the psycholigical concept of loss aversion

in essence people will dislike the loss of something about twice as much as they appreciate gaining something of equal value

this was bound to be a problem when reducing the amounts of BB's vavailable and the only realistic way to circumvent it would be huge price increases to all BB purchases which also would feel very bad, or never having been that generous to beginn with

the next thing is just comparing it to other games on the market and how they monetize their stuff, They charge higher prices up front, usually at least 50% more, they often monetize content Updates alongside skins in paid DLC or "expansions", and some games even monetize playing multiplayer, the amount of servers you play on or are a straight up monthly subsciption.

Hunt, while admittedly heavy on skins and DLC, never monetized actual gameplay additions like new guns, or maps, and purchases have always been transparent as in you know what you get up front, no "surprise mechanics" aka lootboxes or smth with similar function

[vague patio]

about the endcards im just pissed that both 3 clues and entering bosslair dont give any bbs

the increase of pvp kills is fine, even tho weird

its kinda shit that it caps at all

andone death dont give any bb

the pve being harder to get was to be expected, also fine

only other thing i felt a bit cheaped out was the last bb event skin, but said that in feedback moreprecisely

id be more fine if they actuallyraised prices of upcoming legendaries

[vague patio]

@pearl summit impretty sure it is like that, so people can get there in time. it gets postedon socialmedia etc, for people who forgot or missed it

[lethal oyster]

@grim pendant winfield is also quite cheap and powerful. You could also consider it spammy too since it shoots really fast even without levering and it's very accurate from the hip too. So Winfield is okay but dualies aren't. Please clarify.

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[late wind]

So since a Cain nerf was confirmed, will they address harder hunters to see?

[digital nacelle]

@grim pendant they just did nerf duals no need to rub it in

[solar monolith]

Like Gator boy and cougar woman

[wispy snow]

Cougar Woman's not too bad, about as annoying as Bone Doctor. I think headsman and gatorman could use some touching up, headsman especially. I'm hopeful since they mentioned being conscious of camo skins going forward.

[late wind]

The point is they're all as hard or harder to see than Cain. A bright white mostly naked weirdo. So really I guess I'm asking for consistency.

[vague patio]

@woeful ridge they should do that

[unborn smelt]

I mean even tho i never though they were close to P2W or OP - i do appreciate them touching up on cain

[vague patio]

agree

[unborn smelt]

Most stuff seems to be great - i'm just a bit dissappointed by the Bow changes

[vague patio]

first reason to stop seeing people constantly complain, second so his head isnt as obscured

[vague patio]

wasnt that a buff for bow?

[unborn smelt]

It was but propably the weakest one possible

[vague patio]

i mean

they said its in a good place

i dont think the bow needs nerfs or buffs now

[unborn smelt]

it's not like min draw shots are good in PvP anyway and the bow already dealt with AI very good

[unborn smelt]

to be fair they said that about Dolch etc in the past too

[vague patio]

yea, talked about that once before, no one uses the bow to spam or anything

[unborn smelt]

I'd even go further, essentially noone uses the bow period

[vague patio]

so much to its op

what you think about the spitfire and fmj winnie

[unborn smelt]

FMJ winnie has potential to be problematic but i'm definetly up to give it a try

[solar monolith]

Yea, the greatest offender is Gator Boy by far. Boy don't even have eyes.

[unborn smelt]

I could see it end up being a source of complaint on the iron sight winnies

But i think it's a cool thing for the marksman Winnie

As for the spitfire i think we really need to se how it plays

[keen violet]

lol new reward system gives you 161 hunt dollars for 10k XP.. lol
it will be just like the daily reward

kill 11 hives with a gun
get a machete

at least its a reward i guess

[vague patio]

really wish the winny didnt get fmj

even tho i want a compact fmj rfle/carbine

if lemat wouldve gotten the carbine that woukdve been much better, giving itdumdum and fmj, without giving the winfield penpower and 2spamability2

[left rose]

HV still better on winnie

[vague patio]

really unsatisfied how they deal with special ammo

[late wind]

Also. With the Berthier deadeye being cheaper than an iron sight lebel, it's obvious the Lebel needs something done.

[unborn smelt]

I think the deadeye Lebel Berthier is overrated

[vague patio]

berthier*

[unborn smelt]

I'd be more concerned for the bayonett or possibly riposte Berthier

[vague patio]

why they forgot that one lol

[vague patio]

you mean in relation to lebel?

[unborn smelt]

main reason i think the deadeye is overrated is you suffer the scoped variant downsides, most noticable half the movement speed when starfing compared to ironsight

while the deadeye only adds very very limited zoom

[keen violet]

berthier as a gun is cool
nuff said

[steady prism]

So Explosive crossbow is getting nerfed to the ground.... Thanks console...

[left rose]

wait wat
you have reduced movement speed in scoped ads vs iron sights ads?

[unborn smelt]

I mean to the ground ?

really ?

[steady prism]

But those schofield variants are sick af

[unborn smelt]

it looses aimpunch

or at least a big part of it

[steady prism]

I mean decreasing aimpunch is worst nerf possible

[keen violet]

just worried about Spitfire duallies...

no need to even use special ammo to pen walls

[unborn smelt]

It's still as deadly as before tho

[steady prism]

Same as officer imho

[steady prism]

Its not really deadly on pc tho

[keen violet]

officer doesnt pierce walls

[unborn smelt]

absolutely is

[left rose]

spitfire dualies will be bad, not accurate enough

[steady prism]

True but it will have much worse recoil

[unborn smelt]

takes some effort as aiming a rifle is so easy on PC

[keen violet]

all i can say is i "HOPE" thats the case

[steady prism]

Exactly

[unborn smelt]

But it's still deadly with significant AOE

[steady prism]

Its just a tool on pc

[vague patio]

main thing with explow is getting people behind cover when they heal

[steady prism]

And now it gets less ammo and decreased aimpunch

[unborn smelt]

Is it tho

[keen violet]

its a damn nice mortar imo hehe

[unborn smelt]

It's a very good finisher

[steady prism]

I mean idrc i dont play it anyway 🤣

And i never will now

I love the little things about it

Like opening up doors and stuff

[vague patio]

good finisher weapon, for your uppercut main loadout

[steady prism]

Or clearing out concertina

[unborn smelt]

With all the buffs the Crossbow received an X-bow with half explosive and half shotbolt/regular is exeptionally deadly

[keen violet]

xbow ALONE is already impressive deadly

[steady prism]

I mean its better to shoot standart bolts against pepol

[unborn smelt]

Oh post buffs definetly

It's in a really good spot rn

[steady prism]

Xplosives are just that weird pricey thing that makes xbow worse

[unborn smelt]

With the intent to directly hit yes - with the intent of getting an easy finisher or idirect fire no

[steady prism]

Cuz ballistics go to hell and you cant ohk with splash, giving up the best about xbow

[unborn smelt]

it's not supposed to be a spammable noob tube

[steady prism]

It has immense reload time... It never really was spammable

[unborn smelt]

it's supposed to be a complementary ammotype to regular or shotbolts as well as other possible secondaries

and it does that rather well i'd say

[steady prism]

Id say uppercut xplosive + fanning is spammable

[unborn smelt]

alone no - in groups absolutely

[steady prism]

True

[unborn smelt]

and with the trait it is too

you get 2 indirect hits faster than they can heal

[steady prism]

But i it will be exactly the same deadly in group

[unborn smelt]

ofc not spammable like dualies or semi autos

[steady prism]

Aimpunch is pretty bad tho

[unborn smelt]

yes that's what i said

it doesn't loose actual deadliness

[steady prism]

That was your only way out if caught out of position

[unborn smelt]

which is good IMO

[steady prism]

But now when i think about it ....

Ye it maybe is

🤔

[unborn smelt]

if you already get this potent AOE dmg it's fine to be punished hard if out of position

Like yes explosive X-bow was never as powerful as other actual meta stuff on PC

[steady prism]

I mean i would never play xplosive xbow before and i certainly wont now.... But imma less pissed now when i think about it

[unborn smelt]

I'm more sad about bow having gotten the most weak buff i can think off

[steady prism]

That is true... You sir have convinced me

[steady prism]

I dont think that bow was in bad position before tho

Sure u get slow when you prepare to fire

But its perfect ambush weapon

[unborn smelt]

I mean everything it can the X-bow can better in PvP

[steady prism]

Its just not as universal as silenced vetterli

[unborn smelt]

nor is it as good as an X-bow

[steady prism]

Xbow is horribly slow tho

Thats basically high risk high reward weapon

[unborn smelt]

so is the bow if you need it on max draw for pvp

[steady prism]

While bow is silenced 2-slot bolt action

[unborn smelt]

With severe dmg drop, no limb pen and drop in general

[steady prism]

Cuz it definitely shoots faster than singleshots

Ye that is true.... But you get bleeding for free

[unborn smelt]

yeah it does shoot faster than single shots - true

but it's also pretty damn inconsistent

for the same reasons people didn't like base X-bow before the buffs

[steady prism]

It is inconsistent... Thats my biggest issue with bow

[unborn smelt]

and unlike the X-bow it also has 0 options to get limb pen

[steady prism]

Sometimes i wasnt able to kill hunter at 10m in chest bcs i hit his hand in front of chest

Or more like hand hitbox

[unborn smelt]

Imean i have essentially mained the bow in the last months

since before the Christmas event

And while i like challanging myself with stuff like that - jesus the bow cost me sooooo many games due to it's overall weaknesses

be that being easily headshot when being slow while drawing, if failing to kill because of limb shots, the kind of bad custom ammo (compared to rifles and X-bow)

[steady prism]

Ye custom ammo is a bit weird

I would personally replace poison arrow with flaming arrow

That couldnt ohk body but set hunters on fire

[unborn smelt]

I mean the idea of poison arrows is great

[steady prism]

They are quite meh tho

[unborn smelt]

they are just either way too view for the money and their upsides are only what the bow is already good at

dealing with AI

Which now even got buffed

[steady prism]

Ye

Can it ohk immolators?

Like poison hand xbow?

[unborn smelt]

to head - yes

immolators require a bit of aim

[steady prism]

I see

[unborn smelt]

and they explode - but they also do with poison arrows

because poison arrows still deal bleed

[steady prism]

Oh

Well that would be big reason to pick poison arrows

To get rid of immolators easily

[unborn smelt]

so realistically poison arrows only help with silently killing armoreds (which tomahawks also do very well)

[steady prism]

And you can kill meatheds pretty fast

I think like 3 headshots

[unborn smelt]

they don't have heads

[steady prism]

They do

[unborn smelt]

i know for a fact they don't have a weak spot

[steady prism]

Well maybe not head but definitely they do have head hitbox and modifier

[unborn smelt]

because it was a myth for a long time that they do

[steady prism]

We tried shooting them with arrows and got varying results

[unborn smelt]

but the devs did specifically say they don't

[steady prism]

Thats odd tho

[unborn smelt]

oh yes - they do have limb hitboxes and arrows drop in dmg very fast

[steady prism]

Maybe thats it

[unborn smelt]

But they ironically miss the head hitbox/weakspot hitbox

you deal max dmg when hitting upper torso

[steady prism]

I know that i sometimes couldnt kill meathead with nitro

[left rose]

armoreds give the headshot sound tho

[unborn smelt]

armoreds have heads

meatheads dont

[left rose]

oh oops, meatheads 😅

ye meatheads don't have a head

[steady prism]

Anyway... I dont think that poison arrows are really needed

Just like frags

[unborn smelt]

needed no

[steady prism]

I do like the idea of concertina arrows tho

[unborn smelt]

But i do like the idea of em in general

[steady prism]

They are amazing

[unborn smelt]

It would help if poison wasn't so ass tho

I'm really looking forward to the new scottfield versions

[steady prism]

Just like i said... If they made flaming arrows instead of poison, it would definitely be more useful and interesting

[steady prism]

Oh yes

They are supercool

[unborn smelt]

maybe imma trade my bow for those

[steady prism]

All of them are amazing

I was always sad that there is no effective long range medium slot

[unborn smelt]

I'm interested to see why i should use the precision if i can use the spitfire tho

[steady prism]

Since obrez sways and is too late in bloodline and i prestige asap

And its better to use revolvers than cutdown rifles at range bcs of sway

And nagant precision is cool, but its very weak on 80+ meters

[unborn smelt]

maybe merging the precision variant with the base variant could actually be good for balance

[steady prism]

So hopefully schofield will hit a bit harder while having nonexistent sway so i can hit things with my poor aim 😏

[unborn smelt]

at least on both nagant and scottfield

both the base scottfield and nagant are in kind of weird spots

[steady prism]

Ye true

[unborn smelt]

where they are basically only good for their variants

[steady prism]

Exactly

Dont get me wrong nagant variants are amazing

[unborn smelt]

but if you could attach and detach the buttstock by presing x - that could be fun

[peak bay]

Carbine best gun in the game

[steady prism]

But standart nagant is almost pointless

[steady prism]

I mean kind of... The only bonus i see here is using fanning in a pinch

Which is not bad

[gentle condor]

Rangorok

[unborn smelt]

yes

[gentle condor]

tell old mate devs to remove dusk and dawn please

[steady prism]

?

[gentle condor]

i had an anurysm

everytime i play it

[unborn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[gentle condor]

now im hospitalized

[steady prism]

🤣👌

[unborn smelt]

You have put in in feedback so they'll read it

[gentle condor]

HAHAHA

[unborn smelt]

But i personally love that ToD

[steady prism]

Mod != Dev

[gentle condor]

xD

[steady prism]

He has no power over the game

[gentle condor]

can't see

it gives me old man eyes

big sad

[steady prism]

Sadly? 🤔😏

[unborn dagger]

I was hoping the schofield would at least get a buff to its velocity....

280 just sucks ass

[unborn smelt]

I mean is it tho ?

a conversion is only 300

which is what a couple of frames diffrent max

a pax is 330

[unborn dagger]

300 is better than 280

Especially when it doesn't feel as hard hitting as it looks

[unborn smelt]

Is it better - yes

but how much

at 50m that's a diffrence of barely 30ms travel time

so were looking at 2 frames diffrence at 60 FPS

from pax to scottfield BTW

so 280 to 330

at 50m A scottfield has a traveltime of 50m / 280m/s = 178.5ms

a pax at 50m has 50m / 330m/s = 151.5ms

[unkempt ravine]

@digital nacelle the mace suggestion was good but it would not work on the rival because there would be no good way to hold it

[tranquil swallow]

Really not a fan of the fanning crouch nerf.. it's 7 points which was somewhat already unreliable now it's even worse to use with this change.. every other high point trait is very reliable but fanning just isn't.

[pearl bolt]

@woeful ridge Big troll right there

[bronze quail]

Well, stop using it then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe now we can learn how to aim, or just buy an officer

[tranquil swallow]

I don't use it because it's 7 points.. that's my point.. and now it's even worse than previous.. but if you think the balance is fine.. then cool enjoy wallbanging with ur fmj conversion dualies kid.

[blissful hazel]

The developers really should implement selling weapons you pick up off hunters YOU have killed.

[late wind]

My suggestion doesn't allow upvotes now? 😒

[hot vigil]

So saw the changes to dualies/levering, no crouch bonus eh?
Well, is the centennial gonna get something in return just so it have -something- going for it?

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[ruby magnet]

@gentle condor the creature feature idea is in no way going to be balanced. People consider it nonskilled when sitting in a bush with ambush weapons/close range weapons.
But what about your tier3/super camo'd hunter sitting in a bush with his sparkssniper? That'd a camper too.
The thing is you want to have battles like call of duty and aim fight people. This is hunt showdown. You make noise, you can expect to be ambushed and thats often done with shotguns.

@unborn dagger the nerf is to make dualwielding even more inconsistent to some. Meaning people are discouraged from running it.
Dualwielding in my opinion needed a nerf. The long distance cone while crouched and adsed was ludicrously small. This nerf is a small step yes. I feel they have been mild on the nerf, but that is to not immediately nerf it into the ground.

Will you still get headshotted? Yes. Will it happen more often? Not when you're fighting a crouch shooting dualwielder.
There's simply no pleasing people when it comes to RNG. Make the cones larger and then dying to a lucky headshot becomes more of a bullshit feeling than it already was since the likelihood went down.
The only way people complaining about RNG in dualwielding will be satisfied is if the mechanic got an entire overhaul.

[unborn dagger]

If that's the case then take it out of the game.

But I guess discouraging people from using it will piss people off less

[ruby magnet]

Like the devs said it has a place in the game. Long range you get outclassed by a accurate rifle shooter.
Close range you're probably dying to a shotgunner.

Dualwielding is for that in-between. And people don't tend to stop to think about how they got headshotted at 70 meters by a dualwielding hunter

That was often because they got ambushed or shot by a 2nd or 3rd enemy who had the luxury to sit still in crouch and aim at you.

Again.. this change was a mild change, but a needed one. Duals will still be called 'unskilled' or RNG heavy, but at least it's not gotten the Machette treatment.

[hot vigil]

Biggest issue is that dualies kinda shits on single pistol users.
Also another huge factor of dualies is the sheer amount of bullets you can churn out.

Also it kinda sorta takes some of the winfields turf, but it ain't the worst.

[ruby magnet]

The second point is something they did try to address but has to be playtested first. The recoil bounces around a bit more meaning your spam is less accurate without prior aiming.

I do agree the Winfield is not the greatest compared to dualwielding but it at least gives the option for a pinpoint shot compared to the small cone of dualwielding

[hot vigil]

Yeah, I agree, I welcome the change, dualies will be put down a notch, tho I kinda just hoped they'd gate them behind a perk buy.

[ruby magnet]

That's probably more effort to code in. You have to manipulate the slot to become malleable to hold a 2nd pistol under circumstances of a perk. Though something similar happens when running quarter master since that enlarges one slot to 1 tier higher (small to medium). It still is a restriction you place that gates its use.

And I see a potential bug where hunters loaded into the game will have their pistol bugged into a dualwield mode even though they don't have the perk to use 2 pistols in 1 slot because the game is confused or wrongly loaded in

Meaning you can't pinpoint aim with that pistol anymore

[hot vigil]

Yeah, it is most likely so. But I would appreciate if crytek could endure that pain for us :b

[ruby magnet]

They are enduring plenty of hurt to keep the game engaging. Like the performance issues since 1.7 it's a constant struggle and fight to keep everything nice and tidy.

It's just that dualwielding is a very polarizing topic in the community.

Reading the twitch chat when the change was announced was proof of that.

Lot of people were gratefully for the nerf... but almost equal amount of people didn't want this nerf at all.

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah I am sure of that. Not saying it is "just flip the switch" change, but nevertheless would be a nice way to balance it.
And yeah, I do not get the people who can't see the issue with dualies, but I hold no ill against them, sometimes people just find a certain aspect of a game really fun, even tho it can be unhealthy for the overall game.

I get it, I sometimes run dual chain with FMJ bc of the fun of it, tho I feel that is different than the dual conversion that seemed to be really precise with crouch aiming.

[ruby magnet]

I do feel that upon closer inspection of the current system there are pairs that are more troublesome toward 'too strong' than others. Those are often times the CCP, Scottfield and arguably the pax. While the scottfield is marred by its slower rof and the pax by it's cost. Price value wise the CCP in FMJ is incredibly strong

I like to run dual lemat, because it's fun. But it's far inferior to using a dual ccp and that's for even a fraction of the price.

The system itself needed some addressing first. if that is nto enough to dissuade people from running it all the time, harder sanctions could be taken or specific paired weapons could be looked into

[hot vigil]

God you just reminded me I have to run dual lemat dragonbreath again, I need to get another kill now you can actually kill people with dragonsbreath. . .

[ruby magnet]

You're welcome I think? however I think the DB buff wont make it any more usefull. having a one shot range helps for those bomblance ranges, but you can still actively sidestep the shot the moment you see the enemy shoot you.

[hot vigil]

Think it is kinda a Dolch case where many people love this game for the low fire rate gameplay and these guns/loadouts just is an anti-thesis to that.

Two very clashing gamedesigns

[ruby magnet]

low rate of fire enforces accuracy, but people incredibly swing to every other gun firing faster as being less skillfull

and accuracy you learn through practice

a lot of 'skilled' players are therefor feeling cheated that they did get that practice in, but are getting rolled by a player with 'less skill' just because of the weapons they chosen.

[hot vigil]

I always say that dualies is a loadout that learns people bad habits as they can really give some leeway when they get caught in bad position, compare to many other guns.

[ruby magnet]

that is true, but that depends on the situation and if it really is that a bad situation that asumed

fighting inside compounds (and I dont mean in 1 building) from one end to the other is in some cases rather close ranged so they should be strong there.

out in the fields around healing waters church however... that's a bad situation for a dualwielder to get into.

[hot vigil]

They are ofc not a "get out of jail free-card, but they can do magic in close quarters and if lucky do some stupid headshots long range. Where if you get stuck with a shotgun in a unfavourable position there ain't much to do.

[ruby magnet]

which is why they have their own place. It's just that people play incredibly aggressive with their rifles even though their gun is geared towards longer ranged fights. I dont want to call them out for being dumb, but they are actively walking into dualwielding strongfield and get mad when they got spammed down in that range.

yes, your vetterli, mosin, lebel can be shot mid range, sometimes you dont have a choice, but if youre actively walking into dualwield effective range then you're opening yourself to get killed more reliably

[spice topaz]

And then we have people shouting long ammo larrys when one doesn't want to get into that range of dualwield barrage.

[hot vigil]

I still think the zone of operation for dualies is a little too good, they really undermine single revolvers (except for uppercut, but that is the uppercut) and also takes some of the winfield identity away + making the shotguns playspace smaller, tho I'm not sure if that is truly bad.

Also like the Dolch were before, I would say Dualies is now the scapegoat, so long ammo can do their awful agenda.

[ruby magnet]

well @spice topaz they dont have to. if the dualwielder has the bounty, then if they want a profit they need to get out. Hunt is a sandbox shooter at core, you have 1 hour to make your profit and no one owes anyone any playstyle.

Shotguns bit back on that range with slugs though... claiming longer one hit ranges compared to buckshot.

the winfield is still a precision weapon, but in a heated firefight you might get outpaced.. but that's rarely with iron repeater. the danger is being 2 tapped.

[spice topaz]

They don't have to and shouldn't. I guess I've played too long to enjoy the waiting game any more though and tend to fight at the same ranges no matter what loadout I am bringing in except for the shotguns. Another thing is the map design especially in DeSalle's case as it often encourages mid to close range combat. But I've always played for fun and not to win at any cost.

[ruby magnet]

Thsts a good mentality to have for playing the game. Desalle is a split map. On the far northwest you have incredibly long sight lines and ranges to fight on with riffles.

The more southeast you go the denser the foliage and will encourage closerange combat.

Arguably Lawson delta is one of the most open maps. While the stillwaterbayou has similar spots of dense foliage and open fields but feel more randomly placed.

If you step into the east part of desalle you notice open fields EVERYWHERE with your shotgun. With your rifle... everything feels crowded when you're in the east end

It's a clearer split in the map compared to the bayou

[spice topaz]

Well put

[ruby magnet]

Personally I feel Lawson delta is a more combat oriented map because cover is done in ways of dirt mounds and not really that much foliage. There are also a lot more boxes or small walls to hide behind. But you're having a lot more open fields between these cover points making it feel like you're shooting from cover, across a field, to other players in cover.

With bayou and desalle you're more actively dealing with the terrain to have a good fighting position. Trees get in the way more often, bushes block line of sight more for close and long range, hills and even mountains actually become a challenge to work around with to get a suitable firing position. These are more ambush type of maps so sound becomes incredibly important.

That's not to say desalle does not habe some serious flaws. Especially on the spawnlocation end it could use a bit of work since teams are literally within 20 meters of each other and cover can be incredibly scarce at spawn. Not to mention aggressive a.i. like hives hounds or immolators targeting you when you're stuck in the waiting for players state

[atomic cipher]

Hmm, I wonder what all the defenders of Cain and Dualies are gonna say now. After devs themselves admitted they are not balanced.

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Extra BB bonus should be from looted HUNTERS, not extractions with bounty. Why? Its fckin multiplayer, battle royale game. There is only 12 people on map and sometimes its very hard to find someone (cause someone got boss on 1st spot with extracion when u are on the other edge of map). By that moves you only reward people who run, for me - thats not a point of this game, but shooting SHOULD be.```

[sick anvil]

My crystal ball has shown me the future . i quote the future " Devs are wrong , DW needs to be buffed the nerf made it useless it is now to weak it was weak to start with , and Cain needs to be fixed its broken now i constantly get killed in a bush crouching . " end of quote

[atomic cipher]

Daamn... your crystal ball is for real!

[queen jungle]

simple: the devs are caving to whiners who couldn’t deal with things that are fine

[atomic cipher]

Wait wait Kayot... Could you move or jump a bit. I can't see your Cain in the bushes. I can only hear you reloading dualies

[queen jungle]

i don't play cain you nasty racist

[eager widget]

Keep it civil

[spice topaz]

If only they would listen to the whining about red skull revive then.

[eager widget]

They did? They nerfed it

[spice topaz]

Well then I am missing something

[eager widget]

Instead of losing 25, you now lose 50 HP when rezzing.

[sick anvil]

when did that happen ?

[eager widget]

This update

I'm curious on where Psychoghost got this though, as I don't remember seeing it in the stream. He must have inside knowledge or something

[sick anvil]

i am pretty sure i watched the whole dev stream and have not heard it said

[eager widget]

https://youtu.be/HaaiQJQs3xU?t=748

[sick anvil]

but even if they did not nerf redskull give it time to adjust DW it took since 1.4.4 till now

[eager widget]

I don't think it was said in the dev stream. I think Mike might have slipped it up through his own knowledge of the patch notes

[spice topaz]

Yeah I guess. This is a bubblegum fix on a bubblegum fix.

[cerulean wraith]

I have several balance concerns with 1.7.2, namely:

• Winfield FMJ (+ammo sharing with FMJ duallies)
• Scottfield Spitfire (will probably need a RoF nerf)
• Scottfield Swift (will probably need a reload speed nerf)

The skins are very neat tho

[sick anvil]

is compact fmj not pen like medium ?

[wind stream]

^

[sick anvil]

that sounds like a massive oversight

[wind stream]

compact FMJ having better pen than long ammo is intended

[cerulean wraith]

Why?

That doesn't make much sense

[wind stream]

I dont know why

[sick anvil]

which is nonsense 2 wet phone books stop a modern 9mm FMJ which is 3x all round

[cerulean wraith]

So yeah, Winnie fmj new meta, get ready you fucks

[wind stream]

but it was explicitly mentioned on stream when they introduced FMJ

I still expect a lot of HV since headclicking is a lot easier with it

but FMJ is very good too

[cerulean wraith]

I swear, custom ammo introduced more problems than it fixed

[spice topaz]

I agree on the first two. Not sure about the third point. I can see winnie replacing dualies as a relentless wallbanger without sacrificing accuracy on longer ranges.

[sick anvil]

and i wish they would change the FMJ visual to actually look like a FMJ not a lead hard cast

[wind stream]

I dont think custom ammo was supposed to fix anything, it was introduced for more variety and it managed to do that imo

[cerulean wraith]

It did fix the Crossbow, hand Crossbow especially

Anyway compact FMJ nerf pls

[sick anvil]

but i guess i am the only person bothered that the FMJ bullets in game have no mettal jacket they are exposed lead projectiles from a harder lead alloy

[eager widget]

I don't think any of the things listed are problems. :) And we shouldn't opt to nerf things without playing them

Imagine if we didn't have officer and we introduced it in this update, people would freak out and think it was the end of dual wielding

[cerulean wraith]

It's a bit weird yes

[cerulean wraith]

Probably yeah but given how strong duallies FMJ are I am having a hard time imagining what it'd be like to get them on the winnie

[inland kelp]

I'm ok with aim punch and accuracy nerf of the explosive crossbow, but the reduced ammo? No way. It's dead.

[cerulean wraith]

That would make a lot of sense

With every step forward...

[eager widget]

Dualies FMJ has the fire rate on their side and massive amounts of ammo. Ambidextrous also helps. While, yes, the winfield has levering, I don't think it's going to be stronger than dualies. And at the ranges FMJ would have increased damage, you're also dealing with significantly reduced MV.

[cerulean wraith]

I swear

[cerulean wraith]

There is also ammo sharing, don't forget

[eager widget]

Ye, but you can also do that with a regular pistol or with another set of dualies.

One big thing is that you're also forgetting it's still compact FMJ and still has drop off quite significantly, and a significant loss in MV to make shooting at ranges harder.

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah but it's headclick range is still massive

[eager widget]

It is versatile, yeah. But so is a pistol with FMJ and fanning, which I'd argue is stronger.

You don't know this. It's not a pistol weapon, and there's no other weapons besides medium and long to compare it to.

Try the things out before you claim OP.

Get your thoughts on it, and then come back with how you feel.

[cerulean wraith]

There will be complaints, I'll tell you that much right now

[eager widget]

There's always going to be complaints.

Ammo type, for a rifle compact, which is entirely different from pistol compact.

[cerulean wraith]

I am dreading the day when this drops, guys, I really am. I don't like most of these changes at all.

[eager widget]

I like the changes. I can't wait to see them and even be able to play silenced FMJ winfield c.

Going to be a hell of a lot of fun trying to hit things with that

But I can't, since Derringer doesn't even pen a piece of paper.

[cerulean wraith]

I'm calling it right now, Winnie FMJ is gonna be the new meta and it's gonna be the cringest thing

@jagged spruce you're flat out wrong, this game isn't a battle royale, it's an extraction royale

There is a pretty big difference there

The bounty should be the main incentive

Because presumably, that's what your Hunter is there for.

Unless they're a psycho

[sick anvil]

it caps out at 4BB past 8 kills

i checked my historical records anything from 8 and up up to 16 gave only 4BB

[cerulean wraith]

That's good imo. Wouldn't want to overshadow the bounty

[sick anvil]

before 16th of november it was 3 bb for gold hunter kill card

this is from before 16th of November

September is same 3bb

July 2021

I keep match records since April 2021

[cerulean wraith]

Anyone know how much damage the LeMat shotgun does? It's not listed in the 1.7 updated damage spreadsheet

[sick anvil]

The damage is Yes.yes @ yes meters to the yes

[cerulean wraith]

Ah yes

Undestandable

Have a day.

[sick anvil]

no clue not sure if it even lists the damage in game at all

[eager widget]

It's the same as rival handcannon. IDk how true that reigns anymore since the shotgun consistency changes

[cerulean wraith]

It's got very bad spread compared to the handcannon though

Misclick

[cerulean wraith]

Alright, everything wrong with 1.7.2 (pre-release version)

1. the new monetization is literally just FOMO and FB games tactics. Play 20 fucking games every day like a good little doggy or get fucked on rewards. Just wait till they kneecap progression to force you to buy boosters. And Mr. Chary's rewards are just straight up lootboxes. And you can pay to get the last one. We're frogs and the monetization lead is boiling us alive.

2. Scottfield Spitfire is a Dolch with 2x the ammo (without sharing!) for 1/5th of the price, with the only downside being that it only has 6 shots.

3. Scottfield Speedloader's reload is essentially instant, and the loss of ammo doesn't matter if paired with everyone's favorite Betterli (and ammo boxes are also everywhere)

4. Winfield FMJ is monumentally stupid. Welcome to the new meta of Winnies and dual conversions with basically unlimited ammo spamming trough entire compounds with pen better than long ammo

5. the new legendary is literally a reskin on an existing legendary. At least it's not camo.

In short, thanks for the bug fixes but FML

[pallid idol]

Agreed on the fomo, I just want to see how the new weapons play out
I share your fear on Winfield FMJ though, I've always felt like compact FMJ were too strong for what they gave

[pseudo shadow]

I main Winfield in every match with no reason to change already

FMJ is scary

but who knows what is going to happen, there are alot of balance changes.
I feel like theyre mostly justified tho and im already curious how the meta will change.

[cerulean wraith]

Winfield FMJ. There ya go

[pseudo shadow]

Scottfield is also scary, maybe i will have a reason to not use silenced nagant purely for utility.

@cerulean wraith yeah sorry, some almost didnt get that.

[spice topaz]

For me it is somewhat cool to be able to get a different version of my favourite legendary hunter but if it isn't good and it is the main attraction of that gamble mechanism then there is no FOMO. This will of course get more fleshed out if people are actually willing to spend BBs for lottery.

[vital drum]

I'm not sure how these new mechanics are based on FOMO, you're not missing out on any exclusive rewards by not playing for a month or a year, the game is still the same and the same rewards are there to earn by playing.

That's like saying Hunt is based on FOMO, because if you don't play, you're not levelling up, you're not gaining Hunt dollars and bloodbonds

[cerulean wraith]

If you don't play all the new bullshit you get way slower reward progression. And if you don't get 10000xp in a day you aren't getting your 4 chances on the slot machine (which is bullshit by itslef). Just wait until they weaponize that shit

It just struck me

How many games would you need to play to get those 4 Chary lootboxes?

[vital drum]

Playing new bullshit, as in gain experience and extract bounties?

Not a wildly different thing, if you ask me

[cerulean wraith]

It's a goddamn sneaky lootbox

It's way different.

[vital drum]

It can be called a lootbox if you like, sure. But you have to gain 7000xp to even get a chance to buy one per day

And the alternative is playing a couple of matches to get the same thing

[cerulean wraith]

THATS THE ISSUE EXACTLY

ITS A FUCKING LOOTBOX

AND YOU CAN BUY IT WITH REAL MONEY!

[vital drum]

That sure sounds dramatic 😄

[cerulean wraith]

I AM BEING DRAMATJC BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE!

I won't tolerate this gambling shit in my vidya

[vital drum]

For me the only thing this adds is an incentive to jump on and play a bit

Which tbh dailies and weeklies were supposed to do, but they ended up being pretty underwhelming as a feature

[cerulean wraith]

Lootboxes are an incentive for you? Having fun playing the game is an incentive for me

[cerulean wraith]

Then fix those, not add fucking lootboxes!

[vital drum]

A progression with nice potential rewards does

The issue with dailies is that their rewards are set

[cerulean wraith]

Again, fix those and don't add lootboxes to my beloved Hunt!

[vital drum]

So you can't really put a legendary in that pool, because people will always focus on those and get every legendary out of them

The solution to that would be giving random rewards at the end of a daily..

[solar monolith]

Are the loot boxes only RMT?

[vital drum]

But that can be called a lootbox too

[vital drum]

Well, you can get 4 blood offerings per day, all of them can be achieved by playing. First three can only be achieved by playing and getting 7000xp, the last one you either get 3000xp more or pay 100bb

[cerulean wraith]

That they have the gall to not even list the % chances of getting shit in those lootboxes is astounding in [current year]

Fucking mobile games did that 4 years ago!

Needless to say I am pissed

[solar monolith]

If it’s gained through playing the game, that’s fine. If you HAD to pay money, I’d be pissed. Loot boxes are a sickness that must be purged, but it makes money so no company will do away with it

[vital drum]

There are 4 thresholds of XP that the player needs to reach:

Players can "offer the blood" after earning 2500 XP
Players can "offer the blood" after earning 5000 XP
Players can "offer the blood" after earning 7000 XP
Players can "offer the blood" after earning 10000 XP or by paying 100 BBs

From the patch notes

[cerulean wraith]

You can get the last one by paying money, and that's the issue. Fuck that lame shit

Also again

How many games would it take a player to reach those numbers?

[normal horizon]

you can buy legendaries by playing or by paying aswell

[solar monolith]

Like… 4 or 5 good games

[cerulean wraith]

Those aren't random rewards. I'm fine with those

Mostly

[normal horizon]

but they are the same principle no? in the time you get those 10000xp you are close to having gotten 100bb by playing anyway

[storm cairn]

So, are there 'better' rewards at 10000 xp compared to 2500 xp? Or are there the same chances to get an expensive skin?

[cerulean wraith]

Can yall pls stop pretending that these aren't lootboxes that you can buy with real money? That last tier was specifically made for that.

[normal horizon]

I'm not pretending anything I am trying to understand what exactly you're having issue with

[solar monolith]

Sure but you can get that amount of exp super easily

[cerulean wraith]

I'm not giving a single inch because I know what miles are taken after those little ins

[solar monolith]

The point is that you don’t have to spend money to get them. You can, yes, but you can attain them easily without spending a dime

[cerulean wraith]

The issue is that they implemented a lootbox system into my beloved Hunt.

[cerulean wraith]

Debunked argument for 2009

[vital drum]

Well, you not only can play, you have to play and get 7000xp first 😄

And then either 3k more or 100bb

[vital drum]

iirc all gates are the same

[solar monolith]

As long as I don’t HAVE to spend money to get something, that’s totally fine. If Jim bob wants to spend money to get his, whatever, his loss.

[cerulean wraith]

It's those 100BBs that I have a problem with because YOU KNOW they will add that tier skip to the rest of the tiers soon enough.

[solar monolith]

Probably, but you don’t have to do it

[storm cairn]

Then i don't see an issue at all. As i understood this 'event' is open ended aand if you can get even only a single free reward in your gaming session that's nothing to complain about...

[cerulean wraith]

"It's optional" is the argument from when lootboxes were first introduced to aaa gaming. It didn't hold any water then and it doesn't now either.

[nova elbow]

Shiiiit

[vital drum]

Yeah, it's not really an event, just a new game mechanic

[nova elbow]

My bad

[solar monolith]

How does it not hold water? No one is forcing you to spend money.

[digital nacelle]

it came at a cost 😞

[cerulean wraith]

Until they are. You'll see what I mean if you look through the history of gaming monetization.

[storm cairn]

Time will tell. For now there is absolutely no reason to complain. The system as is right now is totally fair

[cerulean wraith]

It always starts the same way. "Oh the lootboxes are cosmetic, they won't contain pay to win" then they inevitably turn around and add pay to win shit into them.

It always goes that way and I DESPERATELY DONT WANT IT TO.

[vital drum]

The reason why they even said that is because everyone thought it was a straight up event, since Kseniia only did events on stream before. It's a result of a misunderstanding, not them implying that this mechanic is temporary or somehow can be considered an event

[cerulean wraith]

Wouldn't be surprised tbh

All the noob friendly spam shit and fmj fit with the narrative

[solar monolith]

There are plenty of games with loot box mechanics that aren’t pay to win. Siege, Apex Legends, Overwatch. It’s all cosmetic.

[vital drum]

Games go F2P either from the start or when they start struggling, there isn't a lot of incentive to make a game F2P when it costs money and grows

[cerulean wraith]

Those are the exception to the rule. Don't welcome this shit

[solar monolith]

No, they aren’t, but they are not likely to fade away. It’s money for a company

[cerulean wraith]

Hunt isn't struggling, it's stable

[vital drum]

Hunt isn't stable, it's growing every year

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah, all the more reason to NOT make it f2p

[vital drum]

Exactly, so I don't think expecting Hunt to go F2P any time soon is reasonable

[solar monolith]

As someone living in America, I can say for certain, they won’t be outlawed. Ever lol

At least not here

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah because America is Africa Deluxe

[digital nacelle]

games being paid reduces cheaters

[cerulean wraith]

Yeah

[solar monolith]

Just because they are German doesn’t mean they won’t capitalize on American market

[wind stream]

with the constant free content updated for hunt I see no reason to fear that they put actual content or advantages behind a paid progression

[vital drum]

Monetisation and engagement mechanics aren't from a F2P book anymore. A live service game model requires effective monetisation, Hunt is nearing on being 4 years old

[cerulean wraith]

Never underestimate corporate greed

[wind stream]

so far all DLCs were purely cosmetic and I dont see that changing

[wind stream]

but I dont want to sit here raging against a hypothetical scenario

[cerulean wraith]

I want to rage against the hypothetical. I've seen it happen too many times and I don't want my favorite game to get fucked by it.

[wind stream]

they listen to the concerns and are updating cain

I dont see the issue

[solar monolith]

Hot take: Cain is easy to see being stark white and naked

[rocky orchid]

i hope they will reorganise the arsenal UI anywhere near soon.. because with more and more stuff it is getting ridiculous messy in the arsenal and roster screen

[eager widget]

1.8, read the new patch notes.

[wind stream]

which only further shows that they are willing to correct things if necessary

[eager widget]

They are working on figuring out how to best do it.

[wind stream]

you can criticize current or announced decisions all you want, but arguing against hypothetical scenarios is just a waste of time
and the argument of other companies did this is not that convincing when Crytek has a history of not doing it

[solar monolith]

At least Crytek seems to listen to criticism and not banning you for it like BHVR

[normal horizon]

you mean we are too late and shouldnt do it anymore? 😄

[vague patio]

literalymake him harder

i guess, the talk is about cain

no, actuallymy serious suggestion about that is, add another hunter like that but for 700 bbs

[eager widget]

Yes, keep him the way he is. Leave my mud-boy alone

I like my dirty naked man

[wind stream]

@rocky orchid Keep replies out of #feedback and make sure to follow the channel specific rules

[tawny meadow]

[eager widget]

Don't you judge me, Amon

[rocky orchid]

oops you are right.. i thought i would be still in the #feedback-discussion my bad 😄

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[vague patio]

ahh, i hope now some certain people can finally shut the fuck up

[sick anvil]

No

[cerulean wraith]

Thank fuck at least they're going something right

[cerulean wraith]

We've all seen companies fall from grace. Think of CDPR for example. They were the paragon of gaming excellence, now they're vile corpos.

[tawny meadow]

Still an hypothetical scenario.

[inland kelp]

Can I read some feedback about my suggestion to buffing tools of light? #game-ideas message

I just hate having nearly useless stuff in this game. As we see devs make steps in a right direction with the current changes to decoys and traps, one only can hope tools of light will get the same treatment

[cerulean wraith]

It's definitely interesting

Lighting items were far more useful when night was still super dark

They could use a buff, the headlight especially

The headlight should randomly spawn on your head or either of the shoulders to make it harder to predict exactly where the head is in the dark

[inland kelp]

[pearl bolt]

@jagged spruce Extracting a bounty token is the objective in bounty hunt, why should we loot BB from Hunters? It's a PvPvE extraction shooter, not a PvP battle royal. If you want battle royal feel free to play an actual battle royal.

[digital nacelle]

like quick play for example

[pearl bolt]

I wrote bounty hunt

Please, read first before you write such comments

[digital nacelle]

I know you did

I am suggesting quick play is a more “true” battle royal for this person to play

[pearl bolt]

Ok, sorry. Didn't saw it like a suggestion. Yes he can play battle royal, still why should he be able to loot BB from Hunters?

[digital nacelle]

I’m not saying he should

just that he can play quick play if he wants that battle royal type game

[uneven steppe]

akimbo over nerfed, gets headshot by hip fire jumping bunny, smh

[queen jungle]

@jagged spruce Extracting with the bounty is the objective of the game. PvP is a central and fun element of the game, but killing other players is not a necessity. Extracting the bounty is the goal of any match, as evidenced by the fact that most rewards are only accessible through extracting with a bounty token.

[inland kelp]

I wish more people understood that.

[pearl bolt]

And the fact that he has 5 minutes to leave the map if all bounties extracted before his hunter dies.

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[eager widget]

@weak bramble Sorry, I stole your post since you didn't do what the pinned message tells you to do. But I, as a fellow console player, wish for this too.

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[eager widget]

@uneven steppe Thumbs up if you agree with the suggestion, thumbs down if you don't.

The suggestion suggests removing the monetization of lootbox, if you like that suggestion, upvote it.

[uneven steppe]

double negative will confuse

[spice topaz]

@nimble spindle Meant to be that way according to dev stream

[crystal plume]

The fact that you can skip just 3k bloodline xp for the last reward in the blood tribute thing is so miniscule that it amazes me that people are taking it so seriously I will never waste BBs on it, I see it as something as pointless as rerolling hunter recruits with BBs

[vague patio]

i played two quickplay rounds and almost got to the first goal

should be like 5 bbs at the end lol

[crystal plume]

Yeah and bounty hunt will give even more bloodline xp

[vague patio]

wonder if theres a chance to get bbs with the dark tribute

[vital drum]

There is

[vague patio]

like a substantial amount or just 1 to 3 bbs?

like seeing that 161 dollars was a price, i really dont know what to expect

really wondering if hunt has reach the point of no matter what they do it get controversial

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Optimize the ingame limiter to 117, 141, 162, 167 etc or give us a free adjustable limiter like in the control panels.```

[vague patio]

when i look at the feedback, it all just seems pointless, its just getting crushed either way

even when something good arrives, people will say it shouldve come sooner or not even give it any attention

[vital drum]

I don't think they've mentioned how much

[vague patio]

i legit thought those would be harder, didnt now it was globally for all hunters

actually think the 5 bounties in a row isnt bad either, more bbs!

just have to get behind what happens after the fifth day, does it reset or keep going and you get for each additional first bounty game 25bbs

[rocky orchid]

@lethal oyster just we all agree.. we dont want hunt to be another Star Wars Battlefront II

no one like loot boxes.. no one supports game developers who try to implement loot boxes..

[lethal oyster]

i don't think we have to worry about it that much. I'm just saying that while it's an okay feature it does have a certain stale taste as well

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[sick anvil]

As said in Dev stream , first Extract with bounty per day gives boost , 5 days in row 25 bb then consecutive days bonus resets to 0

[uneven steppe]

horses (let you know your near sound not the agro sound) seems broken and now way too loud

[crystal plume]

@trim ingot Keep in mind that the damage shown in stats is the upper chest damage value at 10m

So you need to first remove the upper chest multiplier

!calculator

[marsh garden]

Damage calculator: https://nixatek.com/DamageCalculator.html

[sick anvil]

is this calculator related to the older one that had the hunter model you dragged on the bottom of the screen ?

yes it is

[wind stream]

it is, it's just updated now

[sick anvil]

neat

[lethal oyster]

@trim ingot your question probably belongs into the #game-questions channel

[steady prism]

To all of you dualie haters.... You ve did it! Dualies are getting nerfed Yay!

[trim ingot]

thx 🙂 I was blind

[steady prism]

If i see someone complaining about dualies in suggestions imma get mad.... You got what you wanted now piss off...

[digital nacelle]

@steel comet tested it and its major effects are on medium pistols anyway lmao. conversions still gonna blast

dual wield gang stay strong we still op

[steel comet]

Conversion pistol is still legit, barely have to have recoil management

[digital nacelle]

[steady prism]

I am happy with how they did that actually

[digital nacelle]

[steady prism]

It means no change whatsover so it actually is just like i suggested

Placebo nerf to shut the community up

[digital nacelle]

[sick anvil]

@digital nacelle the nagant revolver and nagant officer are mechanically two separate firearms ,
Nagant revolver is a Single action revolver meaning it requires manually cocking the hammer before shooting.
The Nagant officer a DA/SA meaning when the hammer rests on an empty chamber by pulling the trigger with a heavier trigger pull you are cocking the hammer until it breaks and shoots again , with a SA revolver you can not do that as it does not contain those mechanical parts

[digital nacelle]

I mean they’re both nagants

[steady prism]

Which is honestly the best solution for nonexisting problem 🤣

[digital nacelle]

they look similar they sound the same

[sick anvil]

They shoot the same cartridge of course they sound the same , they are two versions of the same gun which are internally different

[digital nacelle]

I guess

[sick anvil]

as an example same as Iphone 8 and Iphone SE 21

same externals different guts

SA version was introduced because the simpler internal mechanics allowed to make them at cheaper costs so they could be distributed in greater quantities where the officer is slightly more expensive to make thus they were only distributed to officers

And also NERF DW

[digital nacelle]

they already did, very balanced now, leave me alone

[trim ingot]

thx mate

[cerulean wraith]

I'm happy with the spam nerfs too

They're not excessive

[lethal oyster]

But adding the spitfire lol. Weird decision for sure

[cerulean wraith]

True

I wonder if it has the rapid fire sway increase like the other spam guns

Probably does

[lethal oyster]

I find it weird that the spitfire RoF is on par with the officer. makes no sense to me. Finger guard or not, it's still a double action, thus should be slower than a single action. I don't understand the logic behind that

[steady prism]

Its slower

[cerulean wraith]

You meant "it's single action so it should be slower than a double action"

You have it the wrong way around

[digital nacelle]

I mean it isn’t

77 rpm for spitfire
100 rpm for officer

[steady prism]

Ye

[cerulean wraith]

seems a bit too fast for a single action anyway

[steady prism]

Its just faster than other SA

[digital nacelle]

yeah

[lethal oyster]

idk i've only seen it in the stream this far. it seems a bit too quick to me but i may be dumb as well 😄

[steady prism]

Nah ull see

[cerulean wraith]

I'd made it as fast as the precision

[lethal oyster]

yea

[steady prism]

Its like 10 rpm faster than precision tho

Not that much

[steel comet]

Precision is 52 rpm

[digital nacelle]

25

[lethal oyster]

and make precision slightly slower. I'm a bit biased against the scottfield admittedly but i'm a bit worried it'll just make the nagant p onsolete

[digital nacelle]

[steady prism]

Mb

[steel comet]

Precision wasn't super fast

But I like it

[digital nacelle]

nagant p has higher velocity

[steel comet]

Its still fast

[steady prism]

It wont

[digital nacelle]

especially with hv

[lethal oyster]

oof

[steady prism]

They both serve different purpose

[digital nacelle]

and it has almost double the reserve ammo

it’s still the best headclicker

[steady prism]

Yes

While schofield is more of a "hit farther for more dmg" kinda thing

[digital nacelle]

with hv nagant p has 210 m/s higher velocity lmfao

[rocky orchid]

le mat carbine.. have to be the next

[lethal oyster]

ikr

[cerulean wraith]

Unlikely at this point imo

[steel comet]

Pax needs love first

[steady prism]

Honestly you shouldnt be afraid to make nagant precision obsolete.... Bcs instead it will make obsolete all of the 2-slot rifles....

[digital nacelle]

also no cause velocity

[lethal oyster]

to me velocity is prob the least relevant stat of them all so i don't really mind that at all

[cerulean wraith]

The lemat definitely needs love

[digital nacelle]

then yes, nagant p is now essentially irrelevant for you

[steady prism]

Idrc about velocity i want to hit things first

[digital nacelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steady prism]

And you cant hit anything with compact / obrez sway

[digital nacelle]

yes I can

[steady prism]

I mean mb some people can....

[digital nacelle]

admittedly beyond 80 meters it gets hard

[steady prism]

But definitely not me and LOTS of lower skilled players

[native lodge]

obrez away isn't as bad as people think\

[digital nacelle]

but beyond 80 meters I won’t hit anything with 250 m/s anyway

[cerulean wraith]

If ur God at sway management ye

[digital nacelle]

unless standing still

[steady prism]

Thats just steaming pile of turd

[digital nacelle]

obrez isn’t that bad

y’all cappin

[native lodge]

its sway pattern is just differnt

[steady prism]

Id much rather play uppercut than that

[native lodge]

have you compared the uppercut sway to the mosin?

obrez

[steady prism]

Especially for that price tag

[digital nacelle]

uppercut basically has the same price tag

[steady prism]

But is much more useful

[native lodge]

the difference isn't huge but the pattern it sways is just differnt

[digital nacelle]

not at all

[steady prism]

I wouldnt mind massive recoil

[digital nacelle]

obrez has rifle dropoff

upper has pistol dropoff

[steady prism]

But that sway is just too much

[cerulean wraith]

I know which one is more useful for me when I run Avto >:)

[digital nacelle]

obrez can two tap farther than uppercut can headshot

[rocky orchid]

officer variant? you mean the officer carbine, which got nerfed into the ground?

[native lodge]

the sway isn't that much more than the uppercut

[digital nacelle]

what

[native lodge]

obrez

nothing to do with the officer

[rocky orchid]

i am talking about your suggestion

there is a officer variant in the game with the carbine and carbine deadeye

and brawler

[digital nacelle]

oh the suggestion

yah I think that should be combined into nagant unlock line

[rocky orchid]

wouldnt that do more harm than use? to grind through all of the nagant variants?

[steady prism]

Anyway... Lets not bog down to who is able to use obrez and who cant.... Im just happy that there is new seemingly viable 2-slot ranged option :3

Looking forward to try it with shorty terminus 😏

[cerulean wraith]

"come with me if you want to live to die another day"

GET TO DA ARMORED CART!

Arnold noises

[queen jungle]

why is crytek afraid of this image?

[wind stream]

@keen violet please keep bug reports to the bug channels and there is no need to spam the same message in different channels

[keen violet]

as stated idk if thats a bug actually

cause it seems to be intentional since it works with guns

[wind stream]

if you think something might be a bug you can post it in the bug channel

[keen violet]

i see

[atomic cipher]

@lethal oyster ye, would like to see more variants for sure

[cerulean wraith]

@gleaming patio something like this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x5-Q0DpWsIvoJAsYYx3FdyG3AdJkYCVA/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=117645929647063177019&rtpof=true&sd=true

[inland kelp]

@lethal oyster pax claw?

[lethal oyster]

O right forgot about that ha

[uneven steppe]

bear traps bug when placed (sometimes) and stay white during place but then pop up unplaced in a different position

hand crossbow, bolts disappear when fired sometimes

[cerulean wraith]

go to #bug-reports-pc

[uneven steppe]

pointless without vod

[cerulean wraith]

go there anyway

this channel is for discussing #game-ideas and #feedback

[uneven steppe]

this is feedback

[cerulean wraith]

that is a bug report

[tawny meadow]

Bug report is for bug report, feedback is for feedback that are not bug

[tribal wyvern]

Berthier deadeye dude?
Ew, thats disgusting.
Immediate sell on that shit

Why they add deadeye anyway'

[crystal plume]

Because there's no other deadeye long ammo rifles?

For variety?

[uneven steppe]

er again?

martini over here

[odd cosmos]

no one plays the martini, poor little guy, so easily forgotten 😔

[crystal plume]

Oh yeah I completely forgot about martini deadeye

Shows how much people use it

[tribal wyvern]

So pointless to use deadeye tho, your iron sight has the same distance, easily

Must be some blind ass mofos that need deadeye to see 50meters

[crystal plume]

It adds a fisheye effect

Which means bigger heads

Also a scope crosshair can offer better sight than iron sight

[cerulean wraith]

high FoV will do that. also I hear people play below native resolution and scopes help with the reduced image clarity. but honetly I have no clue how anyone can play like that

[tribal wyvern]

But it barely adds anything and you're crippling your closerange

[cerulean wraith]

not as much as you might think. this is comping from a call o' duty console scrub quickscoper

I can't do that for shit in Hunt but when you get used to it, its allegedly not that bad.

[tribal wyvern]

ye i'd rather not cripple my own vision with that bulk of a scope.
Marksman/sniper i can get behind for sure.
But Deadeye i just never understood how anyone makes it work.

[grizzled sedge]

deadeye is pure garbage

[fossil frost]

Deadly has got to be my favorite scope
Deadly vetterli hands down favorite rifle I'm to garbage for longer ranges
And I always have a lemat for close encounters

[crystal plume]

@glass fable They didn't call it a nerf directly so there's no reason to claim that they did, in fact on stream they said that dualies have their place in the game and they are supposed to be a better choice for a certain range like most weapons

And I assume the amount of dualies you are seeing atm is because of the new scottfield variants

Which is just natural, it'll die down in a week or so

[glass fable]

Nice to assume 100% of the player watch the live stream LOL
A patch note is enough to know what the update it. an increase in recoil is a nerf to a gun. But i can assure you i got hit as much as before with dual, not less, which was suppose to be the point of increasing the recoil. I never said Dual have no place in the game, you said that. i only believe they should not be as precise as they are right now. but instead of adjusting the accuracy, you guys decided to increase recoil.....

[crystal plume]

@fluid widget Removed your post as it was not a suggestion, you can post feedback in #feedback 🤠

[fluid widget]

Fair. 🤣Thanks!

[unborn dagger]

@pallid idol Problem I have with this daily system is that it's encouraging more sweatlords.

[late wind]

Can we get a laughing emoji for suggestions?

[pallid idol]

I personally don't really mind a token extraction/day, it's the goal of the game after all
Forcing it once every day to prevent the loss of a potential reward is definitely going to be annoying

[unborn dagger]

I agree with that as well

Also did they actually change the redskull revive to 50hp?

[unborn dagger]

Thank you!

[bold beacon]

pls make the MM more accurate? i am not a good a player and i am working hard to hold my 1er kd but most of the time i got ppl with 0,5 kda...and thats how they play...

[vague patio]

@storm cargo doesnt even sound like teaming, just gotflanked by another team.Happens all the time,"thirdaprtying"

[bold beacon]

so pls

so sad

[storm cargo]

No, we spectated after and both teams were looting our bodies...

together

[rain pier]

Maybe they decided to team in the game, who knows. You cant really get rid of teaming because...there isnt a valid way. I've met people in game and made a truce, probably what happend there.

The only way to get rid of ppl teaming is if you have solid evidence they were teaming before the match even started. (Parties and what not).

[storm cargo]

It should be banned ingame. If you have evidence and names, they should get warned.

[rain pier]

Again, it has to be very solid for that to happen

Basically recorded evidence of seeing them all in a party or friends group or something.

To situational to be met with head on.

[crude nova]

you're allowed to decide that you just dont want to fight a certain team. and if that team also doesnt want to fight you, then nobody can force them to shoot each other

i've truced before over a bounty, split it 1 token each team cus we were all low on medkits. its rare that you find someone who doesnt want to fill your face with long ammo, but its a thing

[vague patio]

same

its actualyfun to meet people who dont just immediatlygun you down

[zinc jetty]

honestly, them teaming up like that is one of the rare fun things that can happen. grats to them

[obsidian garden]

Hello. I personally don't have better FPS after patch before like 90-140 now just 55-90. I just reporting my feedback after patch )

[rain pier]

Same

[rocky orchid]

so... this is all we get? some lame hunt dollars? you sure about that?

[queen jungle]

you have 3 more rolls to go buddy

you've only used 1 of 4

[devout axle]

Plus it’s free lol

That’s our pre cursor to loot boxes

[jovial lodge]

@queen jungle Your post in #game-ideas was removed because it was not a suggestion, you can post feedback in #feedback

[cerulean wraith]

@bold pilot AI counting towards KD would make KD completely meaningless

[jovial lodge]

No need to be rude and unwelcoming just because you disagree, thanks.

[bold pilot]

No it would show an indicator of how good you are at playing the game and objective and now how good you are with long ammo

[cerulean wraith]

there's no skill in killing grunts lmao

there is already a bosses killed counter

[devout axle]

Gavin there is already a boss kill counter?

Like unless an ai could one tap you I feel like having a kd for it would just be bad

Cause they aren’t actual threats at all so it makes no sense to include them in a kill to death ratio

Now a different stat that would maybe track all the different kinds of things you kill in total would be interesting

[cerulean wraith]

I agree there

[steady prism]

so you are trying to say... that if you spend your time running around cleaning every compound from AI makes you "better player" than those who try to dodge AI when possible to not give away their position and overall be more effective?

[inland kelp]

He's trolling, guys

Just got one-tapped by long ammo, decided to make himself feel good by posting this

Stop feeding him

[steady prism]

i dont think i ever managed to die on AI since we play premade only... so we help each other out if someone runs out of stamina or gets attacked by dogos...

[uneven steppe]

congrats on devaluation all legendary items... reducing sell back dollars, means im less likely to sell to use leg.

[cerulean wraith]

i havent died to AI in a year lol

[steady prism]

i mean... im not even flexing... AI is impossibly weak in Hunt

[fringe herald]

This wouldn't show you how "skillful" you are. You can EASILY cheese this and farm AI's in grey zones. It's a ridiculous idea. Anyone can kill AI's and Bosses much much MUCH easier than killing other hunters

[cerulean wraith]

a pack of dogs would absolutely shred you in the beta

now theyre a joke

even the dogs

[steady prism]

they look dangerous, but you mostly leave the fight with them with missing bar or two...

[cerulean wraith]

25hp bars there, mind you XD

[steady prism]

unless ofc you get shot at... but thats not death by AI but death by player who used his chance

[cerulean wraith]

skill issue

[bold pilot]

Anyone can farm kd with long ammo right now and it has nothing to do with objective

[real oxide]

what

[bold pilot]

Kd first stat but not actual objective

Should include more objective related stuff

[real oxide]

ever

[bold pilot]

Everyone should agree

[rocky orchid]

yes, you are right.. it is kinda stupid, that i have to click for times and he dont auto-archieve all of them at once

i dont like wasting my time in the lobby or menu screen.. Maybe this russian dev girl could implement next time also a little Tetris game into the menu so we can have more to do instead to play the actual game /sarcamn

but guess what i got from the rest 3 ?
131 dollars
161 dollars
10 BB

i get more by just play the game.. no need to implement such things an bind dev ressources/money which could be spend in better projects, like bug fixes.. i mean.. i more and more get the feeling crytek is acting like our government here in germany.. spending money/taxes for useless shit, instead of things people actually need or asking for 😄

but not everything is bad to be honest.. the new scottfields are quite fun

[cerulean wraith]

@steady prism remember when we were talking about the .22 M1903?

[queen jungle]

I don’t really see the complaint about extra rewards on top of what you already get for playing

[rocky orchid]

i do.. because this is a slightly try to implement lootboxes.. like some other companies did that.. the will never do that full force.. always step by step.. and if people let this go to far without saying.. "not with us" you will see how it ends

[cerulean wraith]

@steady prism here is your bornheim carbine lol

[steady prism]

i see 😄

[cerulean wraith]

need a deadeye?

name 1 attachment an ill make it

[keen violet]

snapfire sparks

[cerulean wraith]

I meant for the bullshit creation I just made but

What is a snapfire

[keen violet]

like the schofield snapfire

[cerulean wraith]

What is a snapfire

[keen violet]

humm for this one. sniper scope...
or the underbarrel saw thing "like the vandal have"

[cerulean wraith]

You know what?

Sledgehammer.

[keen violet]

NICE idea

also you can add the ext mag

[cerulean wraith]

🤔

[sick anvil]

that is too good

[cerulean wraith]

dont have time to make the Bornheim Carbine Bludgeon right now so I made that

good night lol

@keen violet

[odd cosmos]

Why, why is it so glorious yet horrible ?

[cerulean wraith]

I have one better

actually no hold up

[keen violet]

heheheheeh thats as good as ! honestly have a good night mate!!! thanks for the art too btw

[cerulean wraith]

@odd cosmos

[odd cosmos]

[cerulean wraith]

handling 0%

[bold pilot]

#game-ideas message Any feedback would be great!

[cerulean wraith]

I already said my piece

and again

NO.

there is no skill in killing grunts

and there is already a "bosses killed" counter

and dying to AI already lowers your K/D

frankly playing againt people is the ultimate skill test

you can cheese the boss,

you cant cheese players

(most of the time, or that easily)

[native lodge]

you are joking right?

[cerulean wraith]

he's asked for feedback twice, he's either salty or a troll

[native lodge]

hmmmm

[cerulean wraith]

he's asking for a removal of "players killed" stats

bro shut lol

[flint dirge]

He has almost 2k hrs, very obvious bait gentlemen

[native lodge]

thats what I figured

[cerulean wraith]

I hope his mosin jams

which is a real bug that can happen in this game

(more of a misfire actually)

@storm cargo are you sure you gor teamed? Not just sandwiched between two independent teams?

[storm cargo]

Did you not read what i said???? we spectated them after and watched them come together to loot our bodies and run off together

[cerulean wraith]

That's a team then

Idk it's possible they got together ingame via diplomacy

Idk how you'd plan teaming otherwise

If they made friends that way, they honestly deserve to reap the rewards of it

It almost never happens

[winged skiff]

no idea why they found it necessary to decrease the accuracy of dual wielding PLUS increase the recoil... horrible decision IMO

[native lodge]

eh not everyone is going to be happy with the crutch canon nerf

some think its to much, some think its to little

so we got the happy middle ground

[bold pilot]

I just think that people shouldn’t be rewarded for playing long ammo all the time and should play objective more

[keen violet]

aahhh thats better. "now it ust needs the mace end hehehehelol

[cerulean wraith]

A bit too late

[steady prism]

almost no real change ig tho

but it will shut this enormous outcry about dualies

hopefully

[cerulean wraith]

Hopefully

[frosty garnet]

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[cerulean wraith]

Perfectly valid way of playing, as you should know with your 2k hours if Wix is to be believed

[wet peak]

Hey question about the doors and windows not rendering in weather players are near ore where near them recently as long as you are too far away to render them in yourself.... does this mean that snipers will see players through windows and doors???

[winged skiff]

the people who were complaining about it were absolute cry babies, there was nothing OP about them at all. They were perfectly balanced. Now there's ZERO reason to pay the extra price in money and skill points, just take an officer pistol.

changes like these kill the motivation to keep playing for me... finally had some nice fun and balanced load outs, and them suddenly they nerf them out of nowhere because of a few but very loud cry babies who can't get over they were killed

also FMJ for the normal winnie now... well RIP centennial, now there's ZERO reason to ever pick it

absolutely clueless update

[worldly scaffold]

so can someone explain what the reward for dark tribute "max hunt dollars" is? or max blood bonds.

[cerulean wraith]

It used to be that windows and doors (as well as crows, horses etc) didn't render in if players weren't nearby. You could use that to tell where players are across the map. This has now been fixed, doors and windows will always render now afaik.

[steady prism]

honestly i have no idea why they made levering on centennial so awful

that could have been amazing alternative to standart winnies

[noble harbor]

60m 2 tap range

[steady prism]

i mean you are levering on like 20 meters

even standart winnie can 2 tap on that range

[wet peak]

thats confusing so does this mean that if I look at the window from afar the game knows that theirs one their and will render it in for me?
what if its open. will it render it open?

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[steady prism]

and standart winnie would still be much better up close, since it levers faster

its just... having a levering on centennial is straight downgrade...

its default hipfire accuracy is very good

[steady prism]

i agree... i dont really like nagant, since i am mostly hipfiring my CQB option so i prefer bornheim but its true that bringing dualies is a dedication... you waste 2 slots on them

[cerulean wraith]

If it's open it will probably render open. That's my guess

It should render as it would up close

[steady prism]

so it should behave like 2 slot weapon and be a better alternative to 1 slots

@odd cosmos agreed

honestly... some decent melee variant sounds cool

and i wouldnt mind something like spitfire but for centennial

[cerulean wraith]

Centennial bludgeon when

[odd cosmos]

Bonking people with a big rifle = fun

[steady prism]

shorter barrel so worse accuracy and stuff but better levering

[steady prism]

amen

[cerulean wraith]

Maybe if they just buff levering on it a little bit

[steady prism]

i mean its just sad

its literally making me sad seeing that crosshair

[cerulean wraith]

I got a levering kill once with th 76, guess I got lucky

[winged skiff]

Centennial should shoot faster than the Vetterli, since it does less damage (by an important amount, 123 is just shy of being able to one shot a once downed hunter), anything else makes no sense.

[steady prism]

nitro has better hipfire than levering centennial 😄

[odd cosmos]

"Nitro is an oversized shotgun if you're close enough."
- Sun Tzu, the art of War

[steady prism]

😄

oversized shotgun that will hit arm 😉

[cerulean wraith]

Basically a slug rival

[steady prism]

https://tenor.com/view/failure-steven-he-gif-21298141

[wet peak]

thanks mate. fingers crossed this works out. I wasn't oposed to the way it was before. I felt it made little impact and made the little spieglass worth carying for helping with better tacktical desisions. I was however worried the change would build a false feeling of safety for those near closed windows and doors making them think they won't be seen through them by snipers. cheers for the reply.

[cerulean wraith]

No worries

[steady prism]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-bruh-moment-funny-gif-24202171

[cerulean wraith]

I think that's enough failure for today

[steady prism]

yes 😄

[cerulean wraith]

Good night folks

[steady prism]

gn

[odd cosmos]

gn 👋

[winged skiff]

Yeah just got destroyed in a 1v1 dual wielded Scofield vs Officer pistol...

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** Title: A Curse for the red skull player **


** Description : If there's a red skull player less than 50m of you, use your dark sight for 10s to curse the body of the red skull player. **


** What does the curse do? ** 
Remove the ability to revive red skull player with the bounty.


** How the curse can be removed? ** 
If they kill the player who put on the curse (Or if the player that curse the red skull man move 50m away from the body.)


** Why you it be a good idea?** 
To avoid infinite red skill revive during the battle.


** Why would it be a bad idea?** 
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[winged skiff]

man I really hope they roll back the senseless nerf to dual wielding, fanning and levering ASAP. Otherwise I think I'm done, as it shows they're willing to listen to the few over the many.

spending more money and trait points should be worthwhile, not pointless like it is now.

[steady prism]

btw... for those too worried about schofield precision...

White = Nagant
Red = Schofield

same for Spitfire x Officer

i think this is more than OK...

[winged skiff]

I mean all it shows is now all power lies with single wielding, dual wielding is no longer a viable option

[steady prism]

nah i think dualies are fine

[winged skiff]

Single wielding schofield spitfire or officer pistol is king of side arms now

[steady prism]

always has been 😉

i much more often see officer than dualies imho

[winged skiff]

nah, dual wield was a fair match up before

[steady prism]

its just more universal to go officer...

but i dont like it as much

[winged skiff]

now duals are useless for the extra money & exp

just had a 15m duel with an officer wielding guy with my 2x schofields, and I got absolutely destroyed... I would've killed the guy with an officer pistol, he took ages to hit me, but it didn't matter cuz I couldn't hit him with my dualies despite centermass aim everytime

would've been better off with a single schofield

In short, you're now left with ONE reason only to dual wield, and that is to have extra ammo for your main gun. The devs really didn't think this one through, but neither did they when they gave the Winnie 73 FMJ, and still didn't increase the centennials RoF to above that of the Vetterli.

I really wish they would make a poll next time they decide to make balance changes...

anyway that was my rage of the day.... had to get it out, cuz this is just such a step back

https://tenor.com/view/chi-gif-4373114

[eager widget]

@cerulean wraith @queen jungle So, what do you guys think of the winfield FMJ? Think it's still busted?

[jovial lodge]

Interesting perspective! One thing that sticks out for me though is that you seem to believe the rng of dw was worsened, but it wasn't changed at all besides removing the ability to get tighter hipfire when crouched. The dw change was just a bit of an increase to recoil, which wouldn't affect whether you hit someone while aiming center mass at 15m

[carmine radish]

Dw works better when you aim at lower torso/groin area

[steady prism]

exactly the same like before...

im not complaining 😉

[grizzled sedge]

Placebo nerf be like

[austere stone]

@clever prawn

I want a winfield competitor
Mom: we have winfield competitor at home
Winfield competitor at home:

[marsh pelican]

I do welcome the changes they did to dual wielding, although I havent noticed them having a big impact. But I dont see why they had to nerf fanning. It was already very RNG heavy depending on the gun you were using, but taking away the crouch bonus kinda renders the perk useless... just my two cents

[somber glade]

@marsh pelican it renders it useless outside of shotgun range, but I’m pretty sure it was intended only to be competitive in that range in the first place, fanning needed/ still needs nerfs.

[hexed whale]

Yeah fanning never felt OP in any situation. If anything it sometimes felt like a handicap but occasionally came in clutch in those ohshit moments

[marsh pelican]

Shotgunrange? Well obviosly I was rarely that lucky with the rng. personally I think it was fine. Dual wields were a much bigger problem and still are

[marsh pelican]

yes. I feel the same way. If anything they could have buffed it IMO. Decrease RNG Increase recoil

[hexed whale]

Like with chain pistol? Forget it that thing is so bad and now youre going to make it worse? I think youll be lucky to hit 2 out of 17

[somber glade]

@marsh pelican I won’t receive the update until next week, but certain side arms can fan a man at 20+ meters and have some rounds left over currently.

[hexed whale]

Can not do. And how often does that actually happen? Very rarely lets be honest. The dually problem was far more prevalent which is why it rightfully is getting nerfed. But i havent seen any conplaints over fanning really and dont understand why its being nerfed

[somber glade]

If you’re unsure, I’m talking about conversion and Scott field

@hexed whale may not be prevalent, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t doable with some level of consistency, I would argue it doesn’t get noticed because when you have fanning, at least for me, it’s there to compliment and long range weapon, therefore I have no reason to use it outside of 10/15m, however when someone brings dualies, the whole idea is that it will likely be used as the primary.

[marsh pelican]

well the rng gods must really favor you then. very rarely in my 1800 hours have I seen someone get a kill on someone full hp more then 10 meters away.

[somber glade]

@marsh pelican with fanning? You on Oceania LOL

[marsh pelican]

the dual wield issue was way way dominat then the fanning one if there is even a fanning problem. As I said, IMO it could be slightly buffed. Its and expensive perk. But dualies are a cheap headshot "hack". But well... Internet discussions..

[marsh pelican]

no mate... EU

[somber glade]

@marsh pelican prevalence aside, buffing fanning is ludicrous.

[frosty garnet]

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[marsh pelican]

Well like @hexed whale said, fanning never really felt overpowered, for it being such an expensive perk a little underpowered at times. But apparently you had different experiences either because you are either really skilled or really lucky. But I have never met anyone saying fanning couldnt use a slight buff... but well... enough arguing from my side...

[eager widget]

I just think fanning shouldn't be that expensive, but that's just me

[somber glade]

It’s expensive because it is good, that is how the game is balanced, I used fanning as a noob because I needed a crutch, I laugh at fanning now because I don’t need it and it is a hindrance, I didn’t want fanning nerfed alongside DW but I don’t mind the idea, I am (and most people are) strongly opposed to it getting any kind of buff, reducing cost, recoil, accuracy any of it would be as bad as explosive bolt or DW itself and you would see rats running around with two separate pistols, that would kill the game for me and everyone I know and play with regularly.

[rancid jay]

Before the update came, I was playing 100-120fps. After the update, the game performance became very bad. I'm playing games at 30fps. My computer is crashing unbelievably. and stuttering happens. my monitor has ultra wide screen. 3440x1440 pixels. I am playing the game in window mode 1920x1080 pixels. Performance drops a lot when playing full screen. so i'm playing in windowed mode. I want to show performance indicators with a visual. dual scene rendering and dual light calculation are turned off. Even though I turned these options off, the performance is very, very low. I don't think I can play the game that way. The update is very bad. Instead of getting better, it gets worse. I am incredibly unhappy.

MSI B150M BAZOOKA, Intel Core i7 6700, Zotac GTX 980 Ti, Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit

[steady prism]

Btw... for those wondering how much of a nerf levering got... notice that i instinctively crouched throughout the whole thing...

[unborn dagger]

So not that much

[steady prism]

no it feels exactly the same to me

i fucked that up a bit, but thankfully adversaries were much worse than i anticipated so...

[unborn dagger]

Yeah they didn't hit you once lol

[steady prism]

no diea how tho