feedback-discussion

[gloomy mantle]

I am good I see how you 3v1 players play all scared

[crystal plume]

It's not about being scared lmao

[gloomy mantle]

Yes it is

[crystal plume]

It's more akin to not wanting an annoying fly to come back after swatting it once

[grave wraith]

@crystal plume #feedback-discussion message

we should probably give up

[gloomy mantle]

No you still dont understand

[grave wraith]

explain it then

[crystal plume]

I'm just killing time until my internship teams call in 20 minutes

[willow hedge]

You probably should. Your ability to explain has surpassed their ability to understand a long time ago

[gloomy mantle]

I have but you all say skill issue

[grave wraith]

fair enough. we love meaningless arguments on the internet

[hot vigil]

You the one dead and burnt out tho?

[grave wraith]

I think you're the only one who has said that

[gloomy mantle]

Not every time I’ve beaten multiple 3v1 I am just saying full burnt with necro catalyst should be able to res as if you had a bounty token I’ll wait till end game so if you wait with me I guess indie twice

[willow hedge]

To be fair, I said git gud

[gloomy mantle]

Witch correlates to skill issue your so ignorant lack of common sense

[hot vigil]

What does that add to the game?

[gloomy mantle]

Means you won’t camp and you’ll move on to the next place

It’s like puppy guarding

You like that if not but you do it your a hypocrite

You wanna be a hypocrite then go for it

[grave wraith]

but it means that solos will camp in their death screen for 30 minutes then leave to completely surcumvent the game's permadeath system.

you're just moving the camping somewhere else. not stopping it

[crystal plume]

Waiting for a body to burn is not camping either way

[gloomy mantle]

Yes it is puppy guarding

[grave wraith]

it's an intended counterplay

[gloomy mantle]

So instead of camping you can’t win a gun fight twice

[crystal plume]

People do it because they have to as an intended game mechanic, you burn to prevent reviving, you wait for the burn to finish to guarantee they won't be able to revive

[hot vigil]

So back when solo could necro multiple times, people would trap solos instead.
That is just what gonna happen.
People gonna burn you out and then trap your body and you'll still not get up.

[gloomy mantle]

But you get the bounty after I kill your teammate and he gets to live

Not fair

[inland forge]

Solos are typically matched against players less skilled than them. And you get a free full revive you can pop whenever. You mfers are fine. Just keep ratting if you don't got the skill to compete against teams in a real fight.

[gloomy mantle]

False once full burnt i can not

[crystal plume]

Then either kill them before they can or if you are already dead then it shouldn't matter to you anymore

[hot vigil]

Well, I mean... you choose to play solo in a game balanced around teams

[grave wraith]

because you can actually stop that revive by tracking down and killing the bounty carrier. a solo cannot be killed after already being dead [unless burned], so there would be no counterplay to this redskull solo revive.

[inland forge]

If you're burning just get up.

[gloomy mantle]

You cannot keep up if your far enough the solo will not catch you

Oh then you get insta shot by campers

See you all missing what I’m saying it’s sad

[grave wraith]

The issue is that they will revive then extract, thus skipping the permadeath thing the whole game is built off of. not to mention solos would be encouraged to just scroll social media after dying

[inland forge]

Everyone stands the risk of getting blasted when Necromancer is in play. That's just how it works.

[gloomy mantle]

But you get to live cause your teammate got a token

Unjust logic

Like I said you get necro catalyst and it works as if you got res with a token so your down 50hp

[inland forge]

Nobody wants you to be able to get a free full revive AND I-Frames so you can pull a 180 crazy headshot. I swear these mfers go up 2mmr ranks when reviving.

[grave wraith]

You're going in circles here, again, the teammate with a token can be killed and counterplayed. They even have a marker on their location to kill them. You cannot do this with a solo, you would have no way of preventing the revive. With a bounty team, you do. Please actually counter this point instead of responding again with "The solo wouldn't be able to catch up after reviving" because that's not relevant to the point I make.

[gloomy mantle]

If you went camping you wouldn’t need to worry about 180 shot

[inland forge]

Nah that's cap. "Bro just let them get up and reposition."

[gloomy mantle]

You kill a solo you get a second to see no one run away extract

You fight invalidating points that I’ve already hit and then say back at square one only cause you bring it there

[grave wraith]

what? I don't understand this amalgamation of words

can you use commas maybe? it could be an issue there

[gloomy mantle]

You Havnt understood anything

[inland forge]

Solos always find reason to complain even when they're feasting LOL. I remember when they had infinite revives and someone in this discord unironically argued the point of just letting them get up. Game in the best health it's been in yet.

[crystal plume]

This whole argument boils down to two main issues, 1. You don't understand what camping in reality is and 2. You don't understand the amount of risk and effort it takes for a teammate to be able to get that token and come back to revive a person compared to a solo watching their death screen with no risk involved

[willow hedge]

To quote the scholar known as Blade: "Some MFs are always trying to ice-skate uphill."

[gloomy mantle]

I’m not complaining I’m saying make it how it is when a team has a bounty token

[hot vigil]

This whole convo

[willow hedge]

Can we get grampa back on his meds?

[grave wraith]

i like how all the memes posted here just get a cowboy hat slapped on

[gloomy mantle]

Can I talk to a person with common sense who understands English

[inland forge]

You wont find them looking in a mirror.

[flat sandal]

is this still about solo redskull necro? That should quite obviously never be a thing, sry to say 😄 if you have a bounty token as the solo maybe but why?

[crystal plume]

If you mean finding someone else in your bubble, good luck with that

[gloomy mantle]

I’m saying with catalyst so you need two traits

[hot vigil]

I think we should allow solos to redskull revive if they have a bounty on them

[gloomy mantle]

Or catalyst

[grave wraith]

not even if you have the token, because it can't be stopped. solos could sit for 30 minutes on their death screen and have no counterplay to getting up and extracting. Please don't fuel them with partial-agreement.

[hot vigil]

You missed the joke.

[gloomy mantle]

So you get red skulled and teammate gets bounty and you keep your hunter CAP

[flat sandal]

they would need the luck that no one takes the token, but it's not really worth contemplating

[gloomy mantle]

Same with a solo wanting to wait the time to red skull res

So why is it so hard for it to be contemplated

[crystal plume]

I'm willing to maybe budge on solos being able to revive from redskull if every time they need to provide video proof of doing a backflip irl so that there's at least some effort involved ||/s||

[flat sandal]

it would make you next to immortal

[hot vigil]

Again, fair rules for all, solo should also be able to redskull revive with a bounty token.

[gloomy mantle]

No

[grave wraith]

a solo waiting to red skull res cannot be stopped. A teammate with a massive target on their back, carrying the main objective of the game and marked for all to see, running over to the body to stand still and revive it is very stoppable.

[willow hedge]

I suggest we go the Bethesda road and demand a one page essay about why the player deserves a redskull revive in that particular situation

[gloomy mantle]

Again you only see one part of it

[hot vigil]

We see the part that people are gonna abuse lol

[grave wraith]

and if that part of it is gonna suck then it'll be a problem

[flat sandal]

99% of the time team redskull is just to avoid the sad scenario of leaving your mate behind after a win

[hot vigil]

Bc it basically reads: Solo Necro Catalyst, you have death cheat.

[gloomy mantle]

If I wait till it says 5 min to extract I’m red skull 💀 have necro and I have catalyst I will not get you and I get to extract what are you guys going to on about

No it does not read that

[hot vigil]

But why the do you deserve to just walk off scott free in a game about perma death!?

[gloomy mantle]

Death cheat is for the ones who die a second time

[willow hedge]

You die but you not only get to keep your loadout but also whatever you found during the match (money, bbs etc.). It's even better than death cheat

[gloomy mantle]

Cause catalyst gives a bonus to traits so you need to find a rare trait

[grave wraith]

yes exactly. you get to extract and suffer no consequences after being killed. something that fundamentally goes against the design of the game, especially seeing as you need to afk for half an hour to do so which is not fun for anyone

[gloomy mantle]

False you lose health bar

[grave wraith]

oh no! the humble trait point:

that you get like 30 of per game now:

[gloomy mantle]

Instated full red you lose 50hp just like if you’re your teammate

[hot vigil]

Okay, so now solos can find two different instances of death cheat

Like

Can you not see the issue with that whatsoever?

[gloomy mantle]

It’s on instance still

One

[hot vigil]

Doesn't matter, at no point should solo have death cheat just because

[flat sandal]

apart from this kind of being out of the question for 99.9% of people. Imagine the camping being exchanged for having to trap the shit out of solos

[willow hedge]

At this point I am unsure if this is trolling or a lack of processing power...

[gloomy mantle]

This how I know you all bad at 3v1 you have to fight so hard

[grave wraith]

I hate to be that guy but, have we considered that this is bait?

[willow hedge]

First

[gloomy mantle]

Trap and run away but you trap and burn and camp

[inland forge]

Honestly you should be able to trade a token for death cheat. The bounty payout is pretty weak compared to a couple cash registers.

[gloomy mantle]

You should be able to purchase death cheat 10points

[grave wraith]

are u joking this time

[willow hedge]

Absolutely the fuck not

[gloomy mantle]

Bruh I don’t use that trash so yes lmfao

I’m buy death cheat but it’s worth 20 lol

[flat sandal]

maybe not buy but reliably aquire over 3 ish games imo

by playing the main objective

[grave wraith]

but you're fine with using a solo death cheat knockoff? what's with that then?

[willow hedge]

This has to be trolling.

[grave wraith]

i am starting to believe so

[gloomy mantle]

Death cheat isn’t even good or bad your all so in on you have to lose your hunter go against the system let everyone keep there hunter

[hot vigil]

Someone is not prestiging lol

[gloomy mantle]

It’s not death cheat knock off if a solo is willing to wait to res till end game

[flat sandal]

more longevity, yes, imo. Immortal, hard pass.

[willow hedge]

And now we have reached the 'Hunt would be better if it were not Hunt'-argument. Let's close this and get back to actually interesting things

[grave wraith]

so it's fine because it wastes people's time? I don't see how that makes it better.

people have jobs and stuff u know

disadvantaging the people who can't wait 30 minutes for death cheat is not good design @gloomy mantle

[gloomy mantle]

Cause if your willing to waste your time camping I’m willing to wait and keep a hunter

[flat sandal]

We have all argued for a lost cause before mate. It's fine, time to let it go 🙂

❤️

[gloomy mantle]

It’s never lost cause.

[flat sandal]

that one really is

[gloomy mantle]

Cause you missed the second part where salve skin should be burn proof with catalyst

No it’s not it’ll happen one day when more solos play

[grave wraith]

no, we saw that part, just that it's also just as bad.

because it effectively does the same thing.

except with teams as well

[gloomy mantle]

yea it makes it harder for me as a solo and I still want it implanted

[crystal plume]

And we don't even want it as teams for teams

[willow hedge]

Well and I want restoration to be gone. Guess we all want something we can't get. Live with it

[carmine needle]

Hey @plain sundial , I've removed your post as it's virtually identical to several previous posts you've made, which is feedback spam 😅

[plain sundial]

kk, all good then.

[carmine needle]

Hey @remote pasture I've removed your post as it's virtually identical to several previous posts you've made and therefore is feedback spam.

[unborn sandal]

@forest inlet the recent PvP event one of the rewards was a berth riposte skin but crytek did a really bad job of balancing the hunter skins on each team so there was no way it was ever going to win. Crytek hates the berthier riposte

[muted rain]

Permadeath cheat removes one of the core Hunt mechanics and it would rather create more stalemates

Beyond useless idea, move on

[lapis notch]

You basically want blazeborn back, right?

[signal mural]

How do people actually feel about the tarot cards? I was kind of surprised that the Community was open to having them remain in the game past the Web of the Empress. It sounds like 'the Devil' is seen as overpowered.

[grave wraith]

The Devil is fine outside of a few weapons imo. Its effect seems completely abitrary depending on the weapon, like I don't think it has a reason to affect the nitro as much as it does. That interaction can definetely get a nerf.

Me personally, I voted to keep them because I like the general idea of them being in the game. I don't necessarily think their current implementation is perfect.

@fiery hare you mean a lancaster pistol?

[zinc turret]

I saw Neenoh's video on dual pistols + devil, I too think the card needs removal/nerf.

[grave wraith]

it barely effects most dualies, what pair was he using specifically

some interactions seem to arbitrarily give more of a spread bonus than others

which i think does need a change

[zinc turret]

silcenced nagants

[signal mural]

Ah yeah, that would clarify why I have seen that multiple times this event.

[signal mural]

I voted for them, the tarot cards, to return in some future event but for them to experiment with different cards and effects. They are interesting and some could remain around, but they shouldn't be purchasable and most could use a tweak.

[fiery hare]

yes! couldnt find the name on my quick research xD

[grave wraith]

would love one of those in the game.

[fiery hare]

and it wouldnt be to strong. 2 bullets less then the spitfire, but the other stats a bit better

[proper moss]

Neenoh is also a high level player. The majority of the playerbase won't play like he plays

[hot vigil]

<@&357256267087085568>

Thx

It is funny, we seem to be in full season of people suggesting Muzzleloaded rifles and Vulcanic Pistols again.
Wonder why tho

[unborn dagger]

Volcanic pistol is cool

[hot vigil]

And shit, like... real bad

[unborn dagger]

I've heard but what are the issues that cant be removed when put into the game?

[hot vigil]

Well mostly the era Hunt is set in.
It basically fires Derringer strength bullets.
If Hunt was set in 1850's it would be more relevant of weapon.

And the lever-action was not very pratical to use for pistol.

[unborn dagger]

I figured as much, it seemed like a thing mainly done to look cool?

[hot vigil]

That said, I WISHED that Hunt was set in 1850's

Maybe 1860's

Heck would even settle for 1885

[grand sentinel]

I think the problem with judging a weapon based on what it was like in real life is an inherent flaw with a lot of people's reasoning when it comes to NOT wanting weapons in this game.

Lemat, as an example, wouldn't exist as it was used very sparingly and often blew up. The avtomat as well, shouldn't exist, neither should the bomb lance, etc.

[grave wraith]

The lemat we have in game isn't even a real model iirc

It's like a weird amalgamation of the old one and the one they use in movies

[proper moss]

Avto isn't even an avto in real life either. It was a Canadian gun, the Huot Automatic Rifle, it never even hit production

[grave wraith]

Yeah
Gameplay over realism fr

Although some realism needs to be maintained for the sake of intuitiveness

[proper moss]

Oh for sure

I'm willing to bend the rules of realism for fun, like with games and movies

[grave wraith]

Bullet drop was fine to add imo but it could've been done in a much more intuitive way. I know they wanted to nerf long ammo with it but I don't think it was the way to nerf long anyway. Better to just nerf it directly.
I'm fine with it being in the game to begin with but it's very unintuitive rn

Although it doesn't bother me too much cause I don't tend to use many guns that suffer from it

[grave wraith]

Imagine every game was completely grounded in reality

Would kinda suck

[proper moss]

and in all honesty, bullet drop you get use to pretty fast in my opinion

[grave wraith]

I'm only used to the weapons I use a lot, but other weapons my brain activates real physics mode again

[proper moss]

Yeah same. I do get use to most weapons now in a couple matches if I haven't used them a whole lot or recently.

though getting use to =/= being good at

[hot vigil]

Depends on the game, Hunt since day one have had some very consistent "rules" on how it stat weapons.
Ofc there are touches made for balance, but in general most the guns performs based on factors of their real-life counter part.
Yes the past 1-2 years we have seen more breaking of such convention with weapons like 1865 and Maynard, but there is an upper limit of how much you can stretch it before the bubble burst and the illusion break.
I will say it is COMPLETELY valid to not care about such things and just want weapons to be a general gesture to their real life counter-parts and just wanting to go for the "rule of cool", but a lot of the core-crowd was drawn to Hunt due to the authenticity and detail like that.

[grand sentinel]

but a lot of that authenticity hasn't existed for a long time. Like, the idea of most of these guns being catridge isn't realistic

You also get the problem of people wanting new content while having a limited pool of weapons to draw from if you're looking at "only SUPER HYPER REALISM" (despite the fact that half our roster is cap/ball)

[hot vigil]

Most the guns in-game that have converted to cartridge actually also have real life counter-parts :)
But it feels more believable that people modernize out-dated designs into better ones vs. people using a gun (muzzle-loaded musket) that is at the point of Hunt's timeline is have largely been out-phased 36 years ago.

inb4 "whatabout bows/crossbows?!"
Those are specialized tools for dealing with the infected, once again, believable that a Hunter would outfit themselves with a cheap and silent option to not attract the attention of every monster in the bayou.

[muted rain]

Trolling, but with nitro/proper dualis it can become problematic

Some cards just break balance

But since a huge chunk of the playerbase just wants to hipfire 24/7 it gets accepted

until the complains come of how busted it is (gunrunner flashbacks) and gets removed

Again with the ELO stuff, dude, when there is a problem its fine to call it out

But it was already explained to you once

2.5 (solo) isnt a populated bracket, since you would need to find trios outside of the begginner pool that are in the same bracket as you (2.0, 2.5) which is basically hard af, since there arent players

You complain about "unfair matches" but you dont realize what you are asking for

A premade of 2-3* stars (or even lower, if one of them is "high" enough, but whatever, it doesnt matter) that needs to be 2.5 match mmr but outside begginer pool (its even hard to think off)

Nowdays you get out of the beg pool, kill a few people and become 3* instantly solo, by yourself

And you are asking for trios to be put on 2.5, as if they were a chunk of actual playerbase. Whole matches of trios that are somehow not begginners but they match-mmr is 2.5 (how???)

You are asking to be put with literally the worst players possible outside begginers pool. It is simply not populated, despite what you might argue.

A trio that somehow gets teamscore of 2.0/2.5 outside begginer pool, basically impossible unless deranking intentionally (as in very fucking rare, if any, lol) or chronically bad (we all are, but not to that extent). Worse scenario on duos where there is simply less playerbase, which adds even more to your case.

We talked about this already. You want "fair" matches, play on duos or trios, get a bit more of teamscore mmr (3, 3.5 ,4) and then play solo. You have the solution at hand.

Nightime wednesday isnt either "prime time" for hunt, so you know; adds again more icing to the cake of you not-finding-players on your elo.

[jaunty copper]

why do people think It might be bad to be able to drop gear? sometimes someone in my party wants to trade something?

[grave wraith]

The reason is because it could be used to drop weapons in glitched or invisible spots, then pick up an enemy's weapons and then they have literally no weapons when they get back up.

Sure you can already empty someone's ammo, but that's long and loud and they can still get ammo pretty easily if they get revived.

If it's just dropping consumables I'd be fine with it.

[zinc turret]

Yeah @wet swan , I'm afraid people love their instant ez win buttons too much.

[wet swan]

gen so sad that people dont see an issue with having a one tap, semi auto, get out of jail free card in their loadout next to a long range rifle lmao

[signal mural]

Yeah, guns specifically designed for close quarters evisceration shouldn't do their job so that other guns can easily dominate in any range... real shame there.

[zinc turret]

Nobody is saying shotguns should do zero damage.

[signal mural]

Yeah but the OHK kill range for the Auto-4 appears to be his issue, not all shotguns.

[zinc turret]

the entire concept of Auto-4 is broken. I'm talking about salvegable shotguns, actually

[signal mural]

Shotguns under 10M that hit center mass should kill generally. I don't find them unbalanced ATM. Considering the lethality of most the arsenal, if Hunters are dying to OHK shotguns then it would sound like they aren't playing to their Loadouts' strengths or are slow on the trigger.

[zinc turret]

Why? Besides Nitro and bow (which is basically broken as well), are there any other guns that can one tap?

[signal mural]

Crossbow, hand crossbow, many melee weapons, bomb lance, headshot on anything but non-slug shotguns

Yeah the bow outperforms every shotgun on range, RoF for most, & cost efficiency

Plus many range weapons that don't have the OHK at close range, still have highly suppressive ammo types

[zinc turret]

So all of them are either melee or painfully slow weapons. An equivalent of maybe the Romero. And no, you know very well I'm not talking about headshots. btw I think the hand crossobow one tapping is ridiculous as well

[grave wraith]

i agree. but for most shotguns it's 13-14 m right now

iirc crown is 13

[wet swan]

having a long ammo rifle and then a shotgun in your pocket should not be as easily available as it is

spectre shorty, auto/5 shorty, rival shorty

like what

[signal mural]

Why?

A player can easily take an Oberez/Bow and be deadlier still

[wet swan]

what

how is obrez gonna benefit you when u got a rifle and a shotgun in ur loadout

how do you not see the problems with having a multiple round shotgun and a rifle in the same loadout

when one of the two can be a 3 slot

[signal mural]

An Oberez is a rifle sawn off but still a rifle and a bow is silent, high rof, & farther OHK kill range than an Auto-4

[wet swan]

im talking about the scenario when a person runs a long ammo rifle (3 slot) with a 2 slot shotgun being unbalanced

a 2 slot rifle and a 3 slot rifle in a loadout doesn't give anything other than spare ammo

and bow got gutted and is arguably easier to fight against (its less common in these loadouts)

[signal mural]

Just because a player spent more money on a spammier Loadout doesn't mean I'm helpless to kill them or make the same Loadout or one nearly as effective or more versatile

So your issue is with Quartermaster & not shotguns?

[wet swan]

yeah but if every single team in 5 star match mmr is running the loadout may one say its considered meta and should be nerfed?

[wet swan]

yeah you could say that

but like im fine with shotguns and 3 slot rifle but the shotguns being so good even in shorty form is just ugh

• shotguns in general are frustrating to play against

its one thing to get one tapped by a mosin and acknowledge the skill but when you get one tapped into your thorso by a camping shotgun player it just feels frustrating

[signal mural]

Then don't over-push if you don't run a shotgun.

[wet swan]

yeah overpush when they sit behind a wall and you get one tapped from 20m by a romero

idk man

frustrating gunplay

im fine with them onetapping close range but its hard to say close range is the only viable way to play them anymore lol

idk maybe im overexaggerating it but at my mmr every single death and loss comes to the enemy team having shotguns in their pocket (like geunuenly happeens so often its not even funny)

[hot vigil]

Romero deals like... 70 damage at 20m.

Okay, maybe 100

Need to adjust for 2.0 numbers

But I will say that the meta rn is demanding shotguns too much.
Just due to the fact of how effective 2-slot shotguns are.

[signal mural]

After Twitch drops every MMR sees a lot of expensive stuff being played regardless.

If it's not a shotgun, it's a dolch, or a bow... or whatever - RNG dualies... I've played a lot of Hunt from low 3s to high 5s as solo, duo, & trios. Strange, questionable, & frustrating deaths happen in all forms - if you play Meta then it's to be expected that the increase of OHK rises -or- spamfire weaponry...

Just play what you enjoy and with a little bad luck you might slump down to 4* and enjoy the mix more.

[muted rain]

You wont get one tapped by a "romero" by 20m unless they headshot you with an slug, which in that case, you deserve it

At least they dogged you with a 1 shell shotgun, not spam bs

[hot vigil]

@mild abyss how is your suggestionn not just: Springfield but worse and more expensive?

[mild abyss]

Tbh I forgot the price of Springfield. Adjusted description.

Also memes

[manic burrow]

Shotguns, especially shorties, need a nerf for sure. It’s not quartermasters fault that shotguns are overpowered. Quartermaster was great when dual pistols were viable, but the buff they gave shotguns killed the rest of close range

[muted rain]

Dual pistols are still viable

And long shotguns + long ammo is a thing too, so it goes both ways

Even without QM, C&K + Uppercut has been a thing for years

[grave wraith]

Much less problematic though, because it could be engaged at range and have a disadvantage

[grave wraith]

If we nerf shorties then people will just run full shotguns and obrez drum because that also got overbuffed.

[muted rain]

Obrez drum didnt need any sort of buff, it just needed the sway removal

Now sadly its used with QM to boost avto capabilities

[grave wraith]

i dont think it even needed the sway removal

maybe a little decrease

[muted rain]

Yes it needed the sway removal. Obrez variants were trash and underutilized

[hot vigil]

Next question is this just not just becoming a scopeless Maynard?

[hot vigil]

@grave wraith sorry, but I don't see how that gonna fix anything as long we have deployable ammo boxes

[grave wraith]

of course we assume that they're gonna nerf them right because they are

right

https://tenor.com/bVKzX.gif

[hot vigil]

Then next issue, rn the most used weapons doesn't really need a whole lot of ammo as they are 1-tappers.
People were fine with 4 shots of pennyringer, so people will be fine with 6 shots of a Romero HC.

Also also, 2-slots shotguns already come with (slightly) less ammo.

[burnt ice]

MMR mismatching is killing this game. Out of our group of 25 that played the game regularly, there are only a few of us that try to play before the MMR mismatches are so bad. Your numbers are WAY down, new players won't stick around because of it. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET YOU TO WAKE UP?!! This was an amazing game. You are killing it.

[hot vigil]

Well issue is more that there is not enough players to support good match making.
Just the downside of a niche game

[grave wraith]

hence why I leave it vague just how much the reserve ammo is decreased

it would have to strike a line between meaningful and making it useless

[muted rain]

Not enough players, simply, as others have stated, both scenarios might happen if you are a vet or if you are "new" to the game: doesnt matter

Ill put myself as an example, im a "low" 6 star at the moment

If I were to play solo vs trios (which I just did)

you encounter scenarios like this

Me being 4.5 alone, trios modifier should apply: despite that, im even playing against trios that are higher rated (5) and sometimes even 5.5 or 6, as if I was playing full trio vs trio

This is not "matchmaking being broken" (as me for example playing against a trio of 5.5 or 6 would be skipping brackets)

There is simply no players my man

[hot vigil]

Again as I said, medium shotguns already gets less reserver ammo

[muted rain]

Devs cannot do anything regarding this, besides bumping ELO for players that shouldnt be there to begin with, which would create more problems, which already is an issue for 6, where the difference is so abysmal you need to learn which of your randoms is a 4* in disguise and who is actually a 6

[grave wraith]

ik
even less with qm is the idea

[hot vigil]

As I see it is not gonna fix it and just hurt weapons like Vandal and bomblauncher

[grave wraith]

fair enough

[muted rain]

(which are already niche af)

[hot vigil]

Eyup, 99% of the time a nerf to QM is a nerf to 2-slots that are fine

[muted rain]

I agree

[hot vigil]

Once again, just nerf the weapons that are the problem

[muted rain]

Add rival HC spread to auto4 and watch that shit dissapear

Recoil at this point doesnt even matter cause hipfiring is what is common, it would feel too forced, but idk

And ammo nerfs just splashes the weapons that are already niche or underutilized (rival hc xd)

(2/4 slugs?) (yeah whatever that shi dead)

Ill just assume it, doesnt seem to be a change that will be coming out anytime soon

[grave wraith]

i forget, when you say this, do you include 2 slot rifles? because if only 2 slot shotguns were nerfed, people would just go 3 slot shotgun + obrez

[grave wraith]

yea rival really needs more reserve ammo

especially hc

[hot vigil]

Some more than others, but 2-slot rifles getting MUCH better sway (133->100) and recoil, surely contributed to killing pistols.
Pistols used to have slight edge of 128 sway, which weren't a lot, but it did mean that people choosed either or based on preference.

[grave wraith]

I can agree that 2 slots being nerfed [rifles and shotguns and bow] and keeping QM as is would be better than what we have right now, although I personally would like to see more viability in 2+2 slot loadouts

and i think it would be hard to make 2 slots balanced and solve the fundamental issues with quartermaster with those nerfs without making those 2+2 loadouts entirely useless

[grave wraith]

I just thought, it's already been proven that less ammo reserves can hit a small shotgun really hard. Rival HC is the perfect example there

[hot vigil]

Dunno man, I never feel like I have ammo issues with Rival HC, might be because it just fail to kill with two shots and I get 1-tapped back and die lmao

[grave wraith]

maybe so, I and everyone else I've talked to have found its ammo difficulties really limiting

[hot vigil]

Think letting, what ultimately is a very niche playstyle die is not an issue for the overall health for the game.
That was what we did with fragarrow.

[hot vigil]

Dunno, ammo box gives it 5 shells

Maybe without the ammo box sure

But like... as long you have that option, your consumables should included when needed

[grave wraith]

we can agree on our hatred for ammo box lol

basically removes an important balancing point for multiple things from the game

[hot vigil]

And ultimately I dislike balance around low ammo count.
Bc that just add the "oh I guess I was the unlucky one to meet them first while they still had ammo" issue.

[grave wraith]

That's fair but the idea is more that if you are the first to meet them, you can strategically drain that ammo during your fight

[hot vigil]

I usually don't wanna gamble if my opponent has good aim or not especially not in shotgun range lol

[grave wraith]

"gambling whether your opponent has good aim or not" is every single fight in the game. It's all a matter of precisely how good their aim is

If you can't bait their shots at all but they have perfect aim otherwise, there's no way you're winning no matter whether you actively try to bait shots or not

[hot vigil]

Dunno man, I don't think "strategically drain that ammo" is a good strat.

[grave wraith]

It's not at the moment because ammo reserves and replenishment are so generous

[hot vigil]

Just in general vs shotguns where if they shoot they will be in 1-tap range

[grave wraith]

And there is the side effect of people with qm secondaries being less willing to make use of them, so overall they'd be more encouraged to play into the actual specialisation of their Loadout

[hot vigil]

Can see it more in context of 50m fights

[grave wraith]

So the issue is with trying to bait shots without getting one shot killed?

[hot vigil]

Basically, the fail/success rate is very black/white.
Wheras at longer ranges, you have headshots as smaller chance and various degress of damage.

[glad zealot]

-All shotguns are way too powerful.
-Shotguns: Same rule as sniper rifles, nothing should one-shot except the head.
-The game isn't niche... between 22k and 32k players every day. That's not what a niche game is...

[latent geyser]

For a live service, it kinda is.

[grave wraith]

Long range encounters are either headshot or quick two tap atm

The various degrees of damage are meaningless when recov and regen shot exist

[flat sandal]

was is always possible to get special ammo from the small special ammo boxes if the type matches? just found out by accident

[brittle forum]

yes

[hot vigil]

That is a very fair and valid point, but still, not the die/survive dynamic compared to shotguns.
Especially considering long shots usually have lower overall hit-rate than up-close shotguns

[proper moss]

Vandal and bomb launcher, my beloveds

Honestly if it weren't for QM, I probably would never run shorty variants

Or 2 slot stuff

QM also enabled dualies to be more viable in loadouts because they count as a medium slot iirc

People get too tunnel visioned on QM because of high rank players running shotgun + Nagant or something. It's a frequency bias

[hot vigil]

Well, to be fair and balanced, having CQC be "Oops! All shotguns!" grows old real fast.
I miss being able to bring a pistol or heck, even a CQC rifle like Martini Henry.
Strong shotgun meta kills 1-slot pistols, melee and short/medium range 3-slots.

[proper moss]

I don't bring shotguns all the time and I'm doing fine

Nothing says you can't bring a pistol

Shotgun is just a lazy and easy solution to CQC

With pistols you can still move about in and out of cqc without having to swap weapons

[hot vigil]

Dying endless times in CQC bc everyone is running shotguns is the meta's way of saying I cannot bring shotguns.

Like I don't do it all the time, but it feels like a legit handicap

[muted rain]

It had more, but when big rival was nerfed (because it was strong af, either with buck/slug pre desalle and stuff, or even with it came out) the ammo pool was reduced

and it affected the HC more than others

[muted rain]

22k players is nothing

If shotguns were unable to OHK long rifles would dominate the meta more than they already do

And no, not "all shotguns" are way too powerful

This is just a big skill issue

[unborn sandal]

Hunt is in the top 100 games on all of steam for daily active users. Considering how many hundreds of thousands of games there are on steam I wouldn’t say that’s nothing and that doesn’t even include people playing on console

[crystal plume]

Also the peak playercounts don't mean much as they don't reflect the total amount of unique players that played during the day

[glad zealot]

Hello Diiba, For my information, do you have the statistics for the number of unique players? The maximum number for the last quarter?

[crystal plume]

No, they rarely share those numbers publicly

Only time I remember was this

From 2021

[glad zealot]

I think you're wrong, but hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion. The Hunt is still consistently in the top 100 most played games on Steam.

I've been encountering a lot more shotguns than snipers lately, even worse, a sniper rifle and a shotgun together xD

You're right, not all of them are overpowered, but we keep running into the same ones.

Skill issue: I don't really like that answer.. You don't have the right to speak if you're a Average player ? I hope you don't apply that rule to your daily life ^^
If all the unskilled players like you said quit a game, you'll end up being the bad one unless you're in the 1%
Even a 1-star player with a 0.22 KDA can get a lucky kill with certain shotguns; I don't call that skill. But again, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

22k to 36k players for a 12-player max match is more than enough... We should have the choice between a quick match with flexible MMR and a longer match that respects skill levels.

Unlike many other multiplayer games I play, which are really niche with 10 times fewer players than Hunt and are still well-known games like Warhammer 40k and Darktide, yet it works 🙂

[proper moss]

Wtf is a medium player?

Also you mention lucky kill with shotguns. Anyone can get a lucky kill with anything.

Darkside is also purely PVE

[glad zealot]

Too much regularity with shotguns these days.

Average player, sorry.

It's a niche game with a really small community, and the first one that came to mind.

[grave wraith]

Personally I'd still run them all the time, they would still allow for versatility that other loadouts couldn't, but I don't think reduced qm reserves would kill Vandal or bomb launcher. Vandal is compact ammo, tons of ammo reserve and refills, and bomb launcher has infinite retrievable ammo

Obrez drum would be a problem though. But hopefully they undo the ammo buff to that anyway

@left vortex were you by chance playing in the fog weather condition?

[muted rain]

You can get lucky and kill with a thrown hammer, what is your point?

If you gonna make an argument do it right

If you are "lucky" you can hipfire while jumping and get kills with a pistol

The problem is that there are clearly stronger shotguns than others based on a monetary system that doesnt work at all

which is the core of what you complain about

That shotguns are "seen" is true since the earlier days, not sure about what you want to say here

I dont know how you compare a weird battle royale (Hunt) to an entirely PvE game (Darktide) and an strategy game (Warhammer)

Nothing to do regarding one another

Why I dont have a chance to speak if im an average player? I dont get your logic

Ofc you will see shotguns and scopes (among other things) if you climb up on elo, idk what you are talking about

its common sense

[proper moss]

It's funny because average players are the majority of the playerbase and the majority of the playerbase is really all that matters in any gane

[muted rain]

Literally, lol

Majority of players is what they tend to listen/catter on, like it or not

I really dont get his point

"oh spam shotguns are too strong"

Yes dude we know

Xd

[proper moss]

That's why when I see people use people like neenoh as an example I always think about how 90% of the playerbase aren't close to Neenoh's skill level

90% ofc being an arbitrary number to use as an example

[muted rain]

Yeah, course

[proper moss]

I'm glad Crytek isn't just listening to the top percent of players for the most part

[muted rain]

They did and the game was a shitfest with all the solo buffs so streamers could run around farming 4* stars

[muted rain]

This event was grindy af, im still somehow "sad" that I didnt get the hunter

Got everything minus the bomb lance (meh) and the hunter skin

[muted rain]

(literally always been a thing in top brackets). What shotgun do you see? Specter, C&K, Auto4, Slate, some rivals

I dont know if "lucky kills" are getting in 14m

to be spammed

I hate the auto4 as much as you my man

However claiming that all shotguns are similar its simply dumb

If I get tapped by a romero, dude hit his single shot, props to him

Now we cant compare that to getting spammed at 30m because you got C&K from behind

[unborn dagger]

@left vortex They already increased visibility with fog maps. At that point just leave the map and find a different one.

[left vortex]

So we aren’t reading.

[glad zealot]

English isn't my first language, and I see there are some misunderstandings because we agree on quite a few things.

That's precisely why I'm saying that the average player community should be listened to more, not an elite who just enjoy steamrolling other teams.

I am indeed talking about automatic rifles. The Romero is part of the game, and it doesn't happen to me that often. Otherwise, I'd say bravo to the guy on the other team for managing his fight.

And my main point remains the MMR, which is poorly calculated. Exemple : I have a 0.5 K/D ratio, only luckily killing a high-level 6-star, so I become a 5-star... WTF?

[muted rain]

Show match MMR and I will explain to you why you encounter X or Y scenario

English is also not my first tongue (its like the 5th)

Automatic rifles, there is only the avto

[glad zealot]

I was MMR 3*, I went up to 4*, and only after a few matches did I reach 5*.

And now I don't understand the game at all :/

[muted rain]

Semis are things like the borheim match or the cyclone

Your personal MMR tell us little, we dont know what mode you play in, if premade or not, if random or not

There are many factors

And yes PLAYERS are indeed an issue

already sent this screenshot as proof before

Im currently a low 6*, so if I try to play solo vs trios I should be in the 4.5 bracket (when i took this screenshot, today im back at 5 match mmr alone)

However there arent many players at the time, and I can be facing 5, 5.5 or even 6 (match mmr) premades, as if i were playing as a whole trio

This is not "mmr working bad"

There arent enough players to fill in a proper match

I can jump on trios and all the teams will be 6*

but there are some scenarios where players arent there and just puts us against 5.5 (which is normal) or 5 (which shouldnt), despite us being 6

Your individual MMR tell us little about what happened or how that relates to the problem you are complaining about

[proper moss]

Yeah true I forgot about that

[glad zealot]

I play on random teams most of the time.

I win very rarely, I'd say less than 10% of my games.

I say it's not working because I consider myself very average, and the game ranks me between 4* and 5*.

I have friends who play a lot of Bounty Brawls but remain at 3* even though they dominate the lobbies.

I personally encounter a lot of 6-star characters in 3-4 star lobbies who are destroying the map, weird.

[muted rain]

Duos, trios, match mmr?

That is where the important stuff lies

TImezone, specially too on EU

Many factors you are just omitting casually

[grand meadow]

We should have 7 optional region locked servers. Maybe they could even have optional PC/Console crossplay.

[glad zealot]

I have a K/D ratio below 1
KDA slightly above 1.10
In 3-star games
and now I find myself being labeled a bot against 5-star and 6-star players

[muted rain]

Brother

Lets get this outta the way

I didnt ask nor do i care (respecfully) of your KDA

KDA doesnt matter in matchmaking

Do you understand that?

The game does not care if you have 0.90, 1.30, 1.70 or 2

It cares about your own numeric thingy each one of us has (numeric MMR) than then gets through a couple of filters (randoms o premade, gamemodes etc) and then you get put onto x y z lobby

[unborn dagger]

Not we, you. They've increased map visibility with fog in one of the recent patches.

[muted rain]

You are playing on europe at 23:20 (london time), so its very probable that you wont find adecuate matches

But seeing as you (again, 0 offense intended) you dont understand MMR, your matches could be perfectly fine and you are just looking at the wrong thing

[glad zealot]

Trio
During the day when I can, and mainly in the evening
To reflect a person's skill level, a K/D of 1 shows that you play on average against people of your skill level.

[muted rain]

No

I find people that have 1.20 KD in high 6* stars, and they have been there since MMR is a thing

That doesnt mean that they are bad, or that im better in any sense

That also doesnt mean they are "average", or that the 3* stars with 1.60 kd is better than them (not by a long shot, lmao)

[left vortex]

I am talking about all of them not just fog maps. There is no reason why inside a building should be full of fog and mist. What happened to everyone hating skins that blend in? Well every dark skin is practically invisible in a building.

[muted rain]

And I still dont know why you bring KDA. I have put it there several times and like it or not, its how the game works

KDA doesnt matter, it isnt a factor when joining onto lobbies

(at all, literally the game doesnt take it into consideration)

[glad zealot]

Yes but 1.20 KDA against 3* and 6* does not have the same value, I am unable to maintain it against such players.
The 6* person with a KDA of 1.20 who has been 6* for years is pretty good.

The example concerns me in 1.20 in MMR 3*.
I'm past 5 and 6* MM, I'm collapsing and I'm no longer of any use.

[grave wraith]

I have never experienced this.

[unborn dagger]

They fixed that issue specifically where there was fog inside the building. I havent had that experience

[glad zealot]

I'm here to give feedback and I'm just saying that I find this MMR unfair ^^

[muted rain]

The first paragraph is exactly what Ive told you twice by now

And if you find yourself being useless in 5* and 6* (which still doesnt tell us much cause there are worlds of difference), its probably (as you say!) because you dont fit just yet on there. Stars dont equal brackets.

There will be a time where you will, or even if you dont never, its irrelevant given the case

It still doesnt matter: the game doesnt care about KDA

You could find this MMR unfair and still have the same match mmr as the other team

so basically arguing against a wall, while this "thing" is working as intended

Censure yourself if you want privacy (i wont search you, I dont care, pinky promise) and send your unfair matches, and lets check for match mmr

[glad zealot]

The team MMR is fine i agree, but like in my last game, I put one 6-star and two 3-star players on each team.

That's almost 4 players and 8 bots. The difference in gameplay is HUGE.

And of course, it can happen from time to time, but it's literally been happening in 80% of my games for almost 15 days now.

Okay, I'll take screenshots of the next parts that shock me.

[muted rain]

You dont get to decide that, it is mathed down that those 6 stars are very low and share a similar teamscore to the other team (that could be 3*, 4* 5* etc)

It can be confusing because MMR changes were done in the past

and you see somebody that is 5* or 6* and you think that they dont belong in your games

but actually they do, there is math behind

Just search for an explanation of how stars (individual stars, for example) dont represent your bracket

Ill use an old Hunt example so it becomes easy to understand

If you were (solo) 5* star, you could be 3.0, 3.5 or 4

Once you reached 4.5, you became 6* star

So, if you were a (solo) 5* star, you could play in 5* star matches, but depending on your match MMR you get paired in different matches

A low 5 star (3.0) will never encounter a high five star (4) unless some mismatches happened (like not enough players due to region, timezone etc)

And again, KDA has NOTHING to do regarding this

The game (for good or for worse) ignores it (im of the one that thinks that they should remove it entirely, as it serves no actual purpose)

Now I dont get how this unites with your complain against auto rifles you said (?

[glad zealot]

I won't elaborate on this, but for me, no.

It's like saying in CS2 that World Elite can play against Silver I and that it's normal.

And I don't find that fun. Can someone explain it to me? Well, that's just how it is, you don't have a choice.

Okay, no problem, I won't stay on the game like many other players.

I'll remind you that I'm not very good; I'm not asking to have amazing games. But to be relegated to the rank of bot, that doesn't sit well with me.

And I understand that KDA doesn't matter, but after getting destroyed so often, shouldn't we be lowered in rank?

[muted rain]

It doesnt sit well with you because you have a big ego

If you are "bad" and getting dogged in the game constantly, its clear as day you dont fit yet in those elos

there is nothing bad about being 3* or 4* etc

Literally nothing at all

You are playing a game, which it is by nature & definition, for ludic purposes (aka, to have fun)

But you are more interesting in colliding to the wall of circlejerking after finding out here you arent as good as you expected

And no, CS2 has numeric numbers that you can easily see and doesnt matchmake similar as Hunt, terrible example

[lone oxide]

u want more players in hunt but make solo unplayable gj

[muted rain]

Simply lack of players, it happens to me too or anybody who is 6* and plays solo

The devs cannot do anything besides bumping certain people onto more ELO for some regions (for the sake of having a match), but they cant invent players just yet

[grave wraith]

Solo is easier now than ever

[muted rain]

Yeah I also dont agree with his statement

You have 37 cards that benefit you

• free catalyst from empress

But I understand, its frustrating in those levels because those players are from your skill level

[grave wraith]

U mean traits?

Or?

[muted rain]

and they become tilted they cannot stomp on 4*s

[glad zealot]

But that's completely irrelevant xD
Wanting to have fun isn't an ego thing.
I'd like to contribute to my team from time to time instead of being a burden. But you're set on that.
No matter how much I explain, you're sticking to your opinion.

[muted rain]

but you chose to fight trios

[muted rain]

Cards, tarot cards

Resetting necro etc

[muted rain]

That is not what you wanted

You literally said

[grave wraith]

There's not even 37 cards in the game tho

[muted rain]

"I'll remind you that I'm not very good; I'm not asking to have amazing games. But to be relegated to the rank of bot, that doesn't sit well with me"

This is a total ego problem

[muted rain]

Bro, its a random number used as an example

It is not literal

its clear as the sky

[glad zealot]

Not wanting to be worse than a bot is an ego problem for you?
OMG, I understand some of the responses better now ^^

[muted rain]

You think you are good, get up in the ranks, you get steamrolled and they put you on "rank of bot" (your words) and that doesnt sit well with you (again, your words)

[muted rain]

W-what?

Dude read again

slowly

We cleared for you some misconceptions (that KDA plays a factor, stars dont equal bracket and so on) but you refuse to tell us what the issue is specifically

"mmr doesnt work" yet you share the same teamscore as them

[lone oxide]

yes playing vs 3 players on discord with mosin dolch is fair vs just me il try arc maybe they can balance a game properly

[glad zealot]

I don't think I'm good; on the contrary, I'm aware of my shortcomings.

But the MMR clearly disagrees.

[muted rain]

Same situation, 6* solo sucks because there isnt enough playerbase

and you are fighting against the same pool, as if you were a whole trio

[lone oxide]

they can put in me vs 4 stars

that would even be hard for me

[muted rain]

Only when you are low 6 (4.5)

[lone oxide]

if they all push me im dead

[muted rain]

Once you get to 5, or in an specific timezone

you will get put in 5, 5.5 or 6

[muted rain]

Ik man

Its life for 6 xd

nothing we can do as players

[lone oxide]

we can give feedback

i tell crytek yo this is unplayable

my kd went from 2.2 to 1.9

and im an aggresive player

[muted rain]

And what will crytek do if that was true

bump more people who arent really 6 into 6, like they already did?

You dont get the core of the problem

There are no players, bro

[lone oxide]

there is 4 stars playing right now

even 5 im fine with

[muted rain]

If you are 6 you cant play with 4* teammscore unless some anomaly happens

[lone oxide]

fighting 3 5stars as just on solo i will lose but i can have a shot

ye they need to fix this

[muted rain]

3.5 stars for example is the lowest as 6 right now

which wasnt true before

That is not broken, you are fluctuating between brackets my guy

You kill, you go up from 3.5 to 4 or 4.5

where the pool becomes problematic

[lone oxide]

my mmr dont change much

is legit unplayable

[muted rain]

You dont know that, you only know if your teammscore fluctuates, not your actual (numeric) MMR (of course that is indeed your numeric mmr changing, dont get me wrong)

And that "much" becomes problematic for 6* stars particulary

where 1 star difference can make the game put you in the top bracket

despite you being solo

It happens all the time if you play being 5 or 5.5 (matchmmr)

You will get put in the same lobbies as if you were playing full trios

[grave wraith]

You know that solo is MEANT to be difficult? That's sort of the point? If you don't want to be an underdog, then just play teams??

[muted rain]

High KD also indicates overblown playstyle and not a real measurable skill level

but im assuming he doesnt wanna hear that either

"aggresive players" with 2KD, last to enter and first one to ditch teams

[proper moss]

MMR and SBMM are inherently flawed and imperfect but nobody has come up with a better system. It'll also never please everyone.

There is no perfect way to measure skill in a game.

[muted rain]

No one is claiming that

All im doing is making sure some misunderstandings dont go all the way

"stars = brackets" "KDA MMR" etc

[grave wraith]

Particularly one where winning or losing isn't black and white

[muted rain]

just false

[proper moss]

Ah

[lone oxide]

even vs 3 4 stars is difficult this is unplayable man

[proper moss]

Hard to keep up with all the convos

[muted rain]

You pick to play solo vs trios

[proper moss]

Yeah nobody forces you to go against trios

[muted rain]

You know you have high match MMR, and because of how it works you will be placed +4.5

you literally chose it

[proper moss]

When I do solo I go into duos

[lone oxide]

randoms is even more unfair you get matched vs premade 6 star teams

only thing u can do is join premade team and stomp randoms

[muted rain]

Depends on the bracket you are

If you are 6 all your games will be six either way

[lone oxide]

idc fighting 6 star randoms

but its 90% premade teams at 6 stars

1/2 randoms dont even voip

[muted rain]

That is a random problem, nothing the game devs can fix

if your teammate is from another region and doesnt speak english

or doesnt bother to open chat

nothing you can do

its sucks, yeah

[lone oxide]

maybe let randoms play vs other randoms or exclude premade 6 star teams

easy

[muted rain]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

See how you dont understand the core problem

We are talking about absence of players

and you think dividing those will make it better

[lone oxide]

imagine in league of legends queuing solo q and fighting a premade team

[muted rain]

brother, it is hard already having to find a lobby

[lone oxide]

THIS IS THE REASON OF ABSENSE

[muted rain]

No? XD

You are comparing this to league, one of the most played games ever (currently ofc)

[lone oxide]

or any other game

XD

who can balance MMR

[muted rain]

"or any other game with actual high elo playerbase"

fixed it for you

[lone oxide]

well you guys are the reason this game is dying actualy

legit defending the mmr in hunt

[muted rain]

Good

[muted rain]

MMR has nothing to do, your lack of understanding has

and the lack of playerbase also plays a huge factor

[steel comet]

Remember to keep it respectful

Between one another. You can continue the discussion

[muted rain]

@dense ivy Idk if I can talk about it in this channel but thank god you are bringing this up. This has been a thing since knuckle knife came out, leading to misconceptions about people saying that the knuckle knife couldnt OHK hunters in the head

I have like tons of captures about that shi, annoying af bug that was never fixed

[hot vigil]

@grand canyon I am a bit confused about your game idea, what do you think the Nitro is?

[grave wraith]

what are people's thoughts on giving terminus more ammo reserve

[unborn dagger]

With the ability to spam a lever action shotgun I don't know if I'd like that.

[grave wraith]

I don't really see how it could be any worse than crown, which has longer range and no sprint removal

[hot vigil]

In general I want less ammo not more in Hunt

Rn it is:
Long:
Romero: 13 total
Specter: 15 total
Auto5: 11 total
Medium:
Slate: 12 total
Terminus: 15 total
Rival: 10 total

All these shotguns are listed from highest to lowest damage in their respected category.
Dunno if the system is to make better reaching shotgun (high damage/longer barrel) have less ammo than shorter and lower damage ones.
But then again, that means Auto5 should have more ammo than a Romero which is... yikes

[smoky egret]

why does the rival have the least ammo

[hot vigil]

Otherwise it should be base on action style, so breakaction getr most (Romero/Rival) and semi auto gets worst (Auto5).

Rival used to be menace

Early Hunt only had romero, rival and Auto5

[grave wraith]

I agree in general, but I do think it could be a nice balancing point when it comes to some undertuned/overtuned options
especially if ammo box gets nerfs PWETTY PWEASE

[hot vigil]

Honestly think Terminus is in a mostly fine spot rn, the biggest issue is that levering got hit back when the post malony banlony show came out.
Going from 4 to 7 trait points means that terminus is now an insane investment to even field.

Think for the 3-slots shotguns balanceI would start with:
Rival: Vertical Recoil 20 -> 15, Cycle time 0.3s -> 0.4s.
Lower recoil is scary due to the faster follow up shot, but it is the shotgun with biggest spread and lowest damage, tho giving it a little more cycle time just to ensure it doesn't become too beastly.
Terminus: Damage 186 -> 190
Slight damage boost, just to make it a tad more consistent, still have worse spread then the Auto5 and the worst recoil of all shotguns. So think it will be fine. Also Slate will still be the highest damage medium barrel shotgun.
Specter: Cycle time 1s -> 1.3s (revert change)
Not much to say, always thought the Specter was a great shotgun, especially after the 2.0 patch. If it falls too hard, I could see it get bumped to 1.2s cycle time.

I know it is weird that I don't wanna touch the Auto5, but no matter how I approach it, if I nerf any aspect in conjuction with my Terminus buffs, it basically gonna be like the current slate/specter situation where one feels strictly better than the other.

[unborn sandal]

Good changes. Specter buff was always baffling to me as well

[grave wraith]

terminus would kinda just be a worse slate/auto 5 even with these changes

[unborn sandal]

Let’s be real who is using terminus without levering

That’s its identity and everyone knows it

There’s no way to balance it to be useable without levering without making it way too strong with it

[grave wraith]

i disagree

levering is literally a partial downgrade on it

[latent forge]

With slugs 🤔 ?

[grave wraith]

me

I just like the sights and the way it feels

not much of a tangible advantage over specter slugs. it just feels better to me

although the specter sights are awful because of that huge lump on its side, almost like how the martini ironside blocks your vision.

so maybe there is a tangible advantage to it

[hot vigil]

I will remind you that Terminus have the fastest, even faster than Auto5, RoF when you levering it.

[white plover]

Levering was understandably nerfed though, Fast Fingers caught a stray and then that got reverted which was good

and Terminus does have the RoF, it just comes at the cost of movement

[muted rain]

It doesnt need more ammo, lol

[muted rain]

This. Terminus puts you in a walking animation when you lever, which isnt true for the C&K, making the last vastly superior

Plus better spread, if thats a thing you are worried about

[grave wraith]

as others said, that's pretty pointless with its reduced range and extreme movement penalty.

[muted rain]

Reduced range gets compensated by being the fastest ROF shotgun

it means you spam and potentially do more damage

than any other shotgun

[grave wraith]

at a range where it one shots, firerate doesnt matter. past that range, crown is often still better because it has a further two tap range as well

plus if you're taking multiple shots to kill, with that movement penalty, you probably aren't winning that anyway.

[muted rain]

The enemy is being aimpunched and spammed, what you talking about

at close to medium is still very strong provided you have the traits

Terminus is perfectly fine where its at

we dont need more buffs thank you

[hot vigil]

Hence why the damage buff, more consistent 2-tapping

Also something FMJ touched upon; remember that aim punch is distance agnostic, levering spamming someone with a terminus at 15m still gonna chain aimpunch them too the sky.

And also also, as I said, in the beginning, biggest issue with the Terminus is that levering got nerfed from 4 points to 7.

[grave wraith]

that's true, I just don't like something being an invalid option when not combined with another option or trait. The way I see it, bringing it with levering and without levering are effectively two completely different weapons.

[muted rain]

All of the contrary, with shotguns whenever you pump the second shot is most important than the OHK

If the case you describe was true, at the time people would be running the specter over the slate because "1m" and superior firerate

Which was simply not the case

[grave wraith]

uh, well, they do though?

[muted rain]

Now that is buffed

[grave wraith]

wdym?

[muted rain]

Read

Mane

😭

[hot vigil]

It is still the shotgun with the biggest mag size too.

[muted rain]

"At the time"

[grave wraith]

yea that's my bad it's 2am

[hot vigil]

And well, Terminus still 1-tap at 12m, that is the same as rival and auto5.

[grave wraith]

yeah ig i agree with you both that it's fine as is, I think it's just a personal issue with me regarding weapons being balanced around one specific synergy. but that's clearly not how the game is designed.

Though I don't think the 1 extra bullet really matters seeing as its firerate without levering is low enough that you can't realistically expel it before having time to reload

[muted rain]

I mean slugs are pretty busted on any shotgun if you can aim, but I wouldnt run them on terminus lmao

And the point of having poor ammo is because slugs are balanced that way

The reasoning is you have less, pretty much

1 extra bullet you will throw away if you dont have bulletgrubber so why would it matter

[grave wraith]

we are talking about slugs now?

[muted rain]

Werent you talking about how you prefered this over other shotguns cause "iron sights"?

[hot vigil]

Sure mag-size is one of the lesser attribute that a gun can have, but still one.
But dunno, the Terminus 1-tap the same distance as an auto5 atm, so it ain't all bad.

[grave wraith]

oh yea, i personally enjoy terminus slugs just cause it feels really cool. wasnt really related to the feedback discussion tho

[muted rain]

So... that is my point... why one more extra bullet would matter

If you arent running it properly you will lose it either way

[muted rain]

Cause it has a cheap meta weapon with slugs (or without) and was the 2nd better shotgun, so they nerfed ad infinitum (specter was clunky, slate/terminus didnt exist and C&K was the meta)

It was very strong even with buckshot, now its pretty meh

[latent forge]

Specter wit lumb on the side what ? Do u mean the alamo ?

[grave wraith]

Nope, try aiming down sights with the specter. It has a little hump on the left-hand side of the sights that gets in the way

[latent forge]

u mean this little bumb ?that is nothing

[grave wraith]

Yep

[grave wraith]

The sights are also way too thick and short for me. It's hard to see your opponent or line up a headshot behind them

[latent forge]

that is the specter bayonet

skin tartufai

[amber stirrup]

@glad oriole They used to have an exploration mode where you could walk around the map and learn it without being in a competitive dangerous game. I couldn't believe they removed it because I found it valuable.

[glad oriole]

Ah! That would be so useful! 😩 Yea for me trying to learn it during combat, like that is just not going to happen LOL

[muted rain]

Yup, they were called trials and were in the roadmap for desalle (3rd map), but it never came to be

Now we are in the 4th map (mamon gulch) and it doesnt seem like it will come back

It sucks because as you said it was precisely a good way to learn movement or familiarize with the compounds

[glad oriole]

@muted rain Yea and like sure, there's other things you could do to give people more control over the map selection, like map voting, but I specifically think doing it the way I mentioned, is perfect that it does not impact the PvP at all.

I remember having the trials, can't remember if that was only a specific map and then yea it was removed. I think it needs to be a shooting range.

[muted rain]

Yeah, they were on 2 maps (the first 2, stillwater and lawson)

I think (tinfoil moment) that they removed it partially because at the time they were reworking compounds, and sometimes such updates didnt go into the trials themselves

so you could be playing on an non-actualized compounds and suddenly on matches "ah now there is an entrance there" "oh a new window" etc

they just couldnt keep up and moved on to other things, desalle trials were getting moved on and on and on and never came to be (only a placeholder was located)

(im not saying that was the reason they removed it entirely ofc): the devs had other priorities at the time

the challenges were gimmicky but you could learn a lot

Sad that the rewards went into prestige too instead of the bb pool, but whatever, that is another topic

[real grove]

broken ranking on console

**
Hunt is completely broken for a casual player on console. I am the worst hunt player of all time and yet I’m 6 stars and get to meet players with thousands upon thousands of hours of gametime in the bag.

It is absolutely tedious to lose every game without even getting a kill and still being on 6 stars.

Is it because there are few players on console? Release the game on PS+ at least if that’s the case.

Why is it like this? I love the game but the resistance is absolutely enormous.**

I don’t even know how to submit feedback about this, I have no idea how discord works. Could anyone help me contact crytek about this?

[glad oriole]

@muted rain Ah yea idk I have very limited knowledge on dev stuff, but I would imagine with the maps, you could just duplicate the asset files, before importing them into the game engine? Not 100% sure on that though.

[glad oriole]

They do have a recent roadmap released as well as a recent survey that was put out, which included questions regarding cross play and how people felt about that. It could have to do with limited player base on console, but if they do cross play, on the positive side, there would be a bigger player base.

[real grove]

I believe crossplay is active right now? People either have a PS logo on their profile or a gamepad symbol, indicating other systems

It’s just so unbelievably frustrating

It makes the game unplayable for me

[glad oriole]

Cross play as in console to PC and vice versa. Not console to console.

[real grove]

Oh, that would probably make it worse but I guess it would be fine if I could get a proper 2 stars rank at least

[glad oriole]

Hoping if it's implemented there will be an opt in opt out option, but this is all maybes and hopes at this point I believe.

[real grove]

I just need to meet players in my skill range

[glad oriole]

Define worse? Cross play would help the issue of possibly suffering from not large enough player base. Now, it might make PvP more challenging, yes, if that's what you mean, but unfortunately, if someone doesn't want to be in lobbies with PC players, then they might just kind of have to deal with low player base. It's pick your battles at that point ya know?

[real grove]

Yeah I guess I’m done with hunt then

Sadly

[swift portal]

@mild abyss I really like the idea of the muzzleloader and I saw this other muzzleloader with a “swivel” barrel where there are two barrels and when one barrel is shot, you would rotate to the other barrel. I think that this would be interesting as a variant, it would have two shots, but with a VERY lengthy reload.

[grave wraith]

@gusty vapor looks to me like the hip inaccuracy made the bullet fly between their torso and right arm

[gusty vapor]

Look the impact at the end, it can't be. when i shoot, the space is in the leaf, but the hit is in the dirt behind him, not in leaf

[grave wraith]

to me it looks like it went through the leaf then hit the dirt. but definetely looks weird

[gusty vapor]

Red dot is the impact.

[rotund obsidian]

i also agree that it looks like it went between the torso and the arm

as you move right you can see how low it impacted the dirt behind

[gusty vapor]

If I take your screen, that's the impact, and the screen is before the shot. He jump after the shot, and the shot seems lower

[rotund obsidian]

i mean there's some parallax at play here since you move to the right for the background shot but yeah that looks about armpit level. those big frills aren't part of the hitbox. sure your dot is on the body but it's inches away from a gap and it's a rough approximation based on the background smoke which has already started moving compared to foliage that is closer. This looks like a completely feasible miss idk. very unlucky but it happens with hipfire.

[glad oriole]

@dusky steppe is there not already an FPS limiter on the menu?

[dusky steppe]

no

And it's use more of my GPU than in game

Because crytek thinks: ''ooh, it's a very nice idea to put a entire MAP to render in menu''

if i click in ''career'' for example

it's turn to 40% of gpu

[glad oriole]

Click the cog wheel, top right.

[glad oriole]

That’s also not how that works.

But if you click the cog wheel at the top right, and go to the video tab, there is an FPS limiter.

[dusky steppe]

Oh yes

So every time I go to the menu I'll limit my FPS.

[glad oriole]

No.

You set it once; apply it, and it should stay.

[dusky steppe]

Is that what you're trying to tell me?

Menu

60fps

When i'm start a match

go to the config

and put 144 again

Go to menu

put 60fps again

..

[glad oriole]

No. You only have to set it once. Just make sure you “apply” it so it saves.

[dusky steppe]

Oh, yes

So

I'm gonna play in 60 fps

bcause I need 60 on menu?

[glad oriole]

If it ever changes, it might happen after an nvidia update or something but I’ve not experienced that

There’s other options other than 60

[dusky steppe]

There's only one general setting, and you expect me to be constantly switching between them?

[glad oriole]

No?

[dusky steppe]

Man

Talk to you is literally the same as talk to a door

[glad oriole]

Okay figure it out yourself then. Good luck.

[grave wraith]

their problem is not the lack of an fps limiter at all, they want to limit their fps specifically in the menu without limiting it in a match as well.

[glad oriole]

It is already limited in the menu 🤦🏼‍♀️

[dusky steppe]

OOOH YEAH

in 144

because I PLAY in 144

[grave wraith]

Michael wants a lower fps limit in the menu than in a match, because there is no need to have as much fps in a menu than in a match and the high fps in the menu puts unecessary strain on their computer.

[dusky steppe]

Thanks bro

I'm bad on english

[glad oriole]

Seriously, it’s already limited to 60 in the menu is what I’m saying.

[dusky steppe]

Are you a magician?

[glad oriole]

I have uncapped FPS and it’s 60FPS in the menu

[dusky steppe]

Bcause I have basically 6k hours and never see a config like this

[glad oriole]

I’m sure you’ll figure it out

[grave wraith]

not mine

[glad oriole]

Okay if you don’t believe lemme crawl out of bed real quick launch the game to take a screen shot 🤦🏼‍♀️

[grave wraith]

I'm not saying it doesn't limit at 60 for you

but it doesn't for us

is there a setting you have enabled that does it?

[glad oriole]

Idk what to tell ya then, but as soon as someone responds telling me I’m like talking to a door, they can kick rocks.

[glad oriole]

Not to my knowledge. I’ll show my settings one sec.

I never use an FPS cap because I have it capped in Nvidia control panel.

In a map I get around 230 FPS

[grave wraith]

well there you go, your nvidia control panel is probably dynamically capping it for you?

[glad oriole]

Not at 60. It's capped at 238

[grave wraith]

but perhaps is recognizes certain game menus and caps it lower

[glad oriole]

The game is capping it at 60 in the menu. If Nvidia capped it at 60, I would not get 230 in a map

I also just tested all of the different window modes and not a single one is going over 60 FPS.

[glad oriole]

That's not how it works.

Ok. Turned on Vsync and now it's 237

In the menu

That is the only setting that made it go above 60

Mind you, there's many different things that could be going on. They could have free sync, variable refresh rate, g-sync, or whatever else on, that I don't have on, but it's not the game.

I'm like 95% sure of that

[empty oasis]

@dusky steppe The FPS setting >9000 limits the menu fps to 60

Afaik, the other options do not

Dunno why they went that way though

[unborn dagger]

@sterile sentinel Bro you have spitzer, why do you want fmj?

[sterile sentinel]

because FMJ can 1 tap a downed hunter

and is less restrictive with ammo reserve

not a spitzer fan personally

[unborn dagger]

I suppose, I've never liked spitzer either

[sterile sentinel]

Spitzer is good but like idk the downsides arent worth it for me

I like FMJ cuz of the increased damage through walls

makes it more consistent

[unborn dagger]

That's fair and makes sense due to Crytek decreasing the penetration damage

[grave wraith]

then don't use lebel

[sterile sentinel]

well if I want long ammo FMJ on a rifle my only options are Krag and Mako unless I wanna run a single shot like Martini/Sparks but thats kinda a different category of long ammo rifles

I just wanna see FMJ branch out to some of the other Long Ammo repeaters for the sake of loadout diversity

I suggest lebel cuz it has a high base velocity so I can see FMJ being a great pick on that gun instead of being a niche pick that no one uses

[grave wraith]

FMJ has already been made a valid pick on long because it allows you to deal 125 damage through a wall on some long guns.

You could use mako or krag but martini henry ironside is also an option.

I don't think it would increase loadout diversity, I think it would do the opposite, because it would just mean everyone who wants long FMJ would run the Lebel instead of having a choice between other long fmj guns.

[grave wraith]

another issue is precisely that it would be such a great pick. Nobody wants to get shot with that huge amount of ammo capacity with extreme penetration and damage and still some of the best velocity in the game

[carmine needle]

@modest shale hunt used to have a leaderboard and all it really did was make everything toxic

[fading plover]

stuck this page cannot ESC or click on ESC

[mild abyss]

V based. Tbh I get why people are mixed on these being added… to them it likely seems like a useless addition…but i think they could be really unique, something for broke ass players, and honestly funny af.

Some guy using avto getting taken out by something like this would just be comedy gold.

[glad oriole]

Thank you! It was the middle of the night and didn't think to test the actual FPS cap.

[rotund obsidian]

@fading osprey #feedback message instantly fix it is a bit of an exaggeration, it was busted for like a month or two

[fading osprey]

They fixed the eternal perk in a month. This is the second time this problem has persisted.

[modest shale]

Yeah but i feel like ranked would give you smth to work for instead of the mmr which is really easy to get stars now

[real plover]

Hi! Does anyone know if the Bloodshed Bileweavers skins are permanently exclusive, with no chance of returning?
I wasn’t able to redeem the Stage 1 skin, and I can’t believe it’s already unavailable... especially since the event isn’t even over yet!

[unborn dagger]

I'm fairly sure MMR was just something they gave to be more transparent with matchmaking. It's why they even took away seeing our current MMR and only allow us to see what it was during the match.

[modest shale]

yeah but pretty much what im saying with a ranked mode is js like give it a more comp edge and give players something more to work for if that makes sense

[unborn dagger]

I get ya, but I don't really think that's healthy for the game. For one it will just split the game further and then two it just makes the community more toxic than it needs to be. There is the player expression addition that crytek has on their roadmap which is an alternative I think.

[modest shale]

yeah the toxicity it makes sense its js smth i would like because i'm a big fan of comp in games like ranked and it makes it much more enjoyable

[muted rain]

There is no "comp" edge in this game, on EU everyone is already treating the matches as it were life-death scenarios IRL

Besides you cant make a competitive game due to many factors (client sided registration, lack of proper matchmaking, balancing etc), plus it would divide the playerbase even more

That removing the obvious, that a new gamemode would need to be created because the bounty itself isnt an incentive on higher brackets, but rather the pvp itself (or the kills you can potentially get)

Nobody gives a single F about the clues, the bounty or the money, as everyone is already rich on that ELOs. Even after wiping the lobby is not rare at all to see your teammates ignoring wild targets and just extracting

[turbid portal]

adding more people when the servers shit the bed every 3 games doesnt seem like a great idea

[iron trench]

@dusky steppe i'm pretty sure it's limited to 60, no?

[dusky steppe]

No

[dusky steppe]

look

rivaturner, up left

[iron trench]

Use this option:

[dusky steppe]

but i dont want to uncap my fps

[iron trench]

that's the only way right now

[dusky steppe]

Ye

And that's precisely why I'm here.

[unborn dagger]

@iron trench You do know the only thing Lightfoot removes for audio is just mantling, climbing ladders, dropping from any height that doesn't cause damage, and making sound of walking through cans and broken glass silent right? You can still hear walking, sprinting, and crouchwalking which is what you mostly do.

[muted rain]

Surefoot is much more broken that lightfoot but I dont see enough people talking about that

Lightfoot on 2025 is just an skill issue, tbh

I could understand when it granted silent bhops, or where solos could true stealth crouch*

but not now, lol

[rotund obsidian]

surefoot gotta get removed ong

[grave wraith]

This. U can suggest it if you haven't already btw :)

[unborn dagger]

I definitely agree surefoot is really busted, but I really want them to try and nerf some of the items that are so problematic because of bleed like frag ammo.

[unborn sandal]

They just made it scarce

[glad oriole]

You’re correct, but apparently some people don’t cap their FPS in Nvidia Control Panel 🤷🏼‍♀️

[grave wraith]

id be fine with surefoot if it just let you sprint at reduced speed with primed tools/consumables

maybe overcomplicating tho

[unborn dagger]

That doesn't necessarily fix the issue if there is a time where you will have to deal with it. Also the possibility of the devs rotating it back into being buyable.

[unborn dagger]

I wouldn't think that's overcomplicating it, but would definitely have to specify that in the description of the trait.

[flat sandal]

c'mon, give me one fun idea 😛

[flat sandal]

what do you mean exactly? Is there a way to cap it in the options and cap it via the control panel in the menu separately or something?

[inland forge]

I love surefoot. Makes me feel like a ninja with throwing knives.

[grave wraith]

sure but you gotta recognize that it's not good for the game as a whole

[muted rain]

That is not problematic, its the mobility (which I like, doesn mean it isnt broken/busted) on fights, "charguing" OHK lances as you run, trivializes explosives usage etc

Its like saying long ammo isnt problematic because I enjoy quickswapping specter with sparks pistol. Like that is not an issue with long ammo (same scenario with "oh but I love throwing knives") but rather what you can actually do with the perk seriously

@tranquil vapor totally agree. HUD exploiters should be permabanned as stated in the ToS & EULA. However there you seem em. Prestige 100 with thousand of hours on steam while playing Hunt. What a coincidence! 🙂

[grave wraith]

It's not really the easiest thing to detect. Even if software is all detected, people can attach something to their screen or have something built into their monitor

[inland forge]

I think it's fine.

[grave wraith]

Why

[inland forge]

Never had a problem with it.

[steel axle]

surefoot is strong but there are still an insane amount of people i meet that never even buy it because to them "much better" traits exist

if they nerfed it i rather they pick a specific thing you cant sprint while doing instead of something dumb like reduced movement

id stop buying surefoot entirely though tbh if it let me sprint with tool throwables by default

[glad oriole]

Well yes. If you cap your FPS in Nvidia control panel, and use that as your global setting, there is no reason to cap the FPS in game. So leaving the cap in game at >9000, you FPS will still be limited by the control panel so you're FPS won't actually be at >9000, but that option limits the FPS to 60 in the lobby apparently. The only thing you need for the cap for Nvidia control panel, is knowing what your monitors framerate is and having a gpu that can keep up with whatever frame cap you're setting it at.

@flat sandal For example, my monitor's frame rate is 240hz, so I cap it in control panel at 237 frames.

[muted rain]

Yeah I dont care. They are cheating and the game itself tells you so.

Their problem if they cannot detect it. This is like making wallhack legal because its "hard to detect" as an excuse. No.

You cannot use any 3rd party software to gain any sort of advantage, that is not a justification

[glad oriole]

I would have to disagree with that. I had someone literally jog around a crate right in front of me and shoot me in the face because I never heard them and I just got myself some nice sennheisers

[flat sandal]

okay got it thx, never messed much with the nvidia settings. allways had some side effects so far

[glad oriole]

Side effects?

[flat sandal]

yeah like, weird stuff happened elsewhere after. not sure, never really looked into it and it's a while ago 😄 put me off but I will try this some time

[muted rain]

Whether you care or not its irrelevant. Its a violation of the game code, like it or not. When you hit "accept" you "accept" a live service scenario with certain conditions and agreements. You are violating the agreement, which is stated that can lead to a permaban (as it should). This is nothing "new" or Hunt specific, many online games (and live services) have similar conditions. The fact that it hasnt splashed your way and hence you dont care (while in reality, it is a huge issue that exploiters abuse) only speaks volumes about what you do not know.

[steel axle]

i just cap my fps at 90, my screen and stuff goes higher but idk if thats a bad thing or not lol

[glad oriole]

If anything, just leave everything default and only change FPS cap. Idk what gpu you are running though so if you have like a 2070 or something and trying to run 240hz monitor to it's full capacity, not entirely sure how well that would go.

[flat sandal]

Depends if the little gain in performance is worth the energy costs, don't think it is

it's a 12gb 3080. capping it to refresh rate of 144hz, not sure about ingame setting but I usually don't hit 144 frames

[glad oriole]

but even if your monitor has high hz, doesn't necessarily mean you have to use it too. If your monitors cap for example is 144hz, you could try capping at 141 fps or even lower. You can always go lower, just not higher.

[flat sandal]

seems all good though usually

I just want an oled for hunt, that must look so much better

[muted rain]

Lightfoot only applies if there was some sort of "sound trap" (broken glass, haging bottles, chains etc) in designated locations that are prefixed

[glad oriole]

it's okay if you don't get full 144 frames because of a gpu the only thing that might happen is screen tearing or stuttering so that's why I was suggesting going lower if you needed. Too much variation if frame rates can cause instability.

[muted rain]

In 2025 its a pretty niche perk that is expensive for what it does and not many people run it, unlike lets say, surefoot or witness which are strong

[glad oriole]

That cannot be true? So is it bugged? Because I can confirm I've had multiple occasions where someone's steps don't make a sound on the surface.

[muted rain]

It is literally what lightfoot does

It is not bugged

If you didnt hear the guy its an audio issue, a sound bug in that case, not related to lightfoot

[glad oriole]

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I'm thinking it also must change how they sound on surfaces as well, not just glass or something

Or ladders

[muted rain]

Yeah, it makes climbing ladders silent easily

[flat sandal]

it seems to be bugged sometimes and for a while now, not sure if thats still true

[muted rain]

That can be done without the perk too, albeit much slower

hence why it doesnt see actual use on higher elos

[glad oriole]

Nah I generally hear people crouch walking let alone jogging

[muted rain]

It does not change sound of surface. Is a guy is running on wood you will hear him the same

The only thing that can trick you is managing distances since prefixed sound traps will become much more quieter

thats it

[flat sandal]

I think it shouldn't, maybe they messed something up when it was possible for solos to be quieter

[glad oriole]

I'm just so surprised because after getting my new headphones it's definitely the best audio I've ever had in that game.

My only issue with distance now is everything sounds closer than it is LOL

[flat sandal]

weird, to me it sounds further away then what it is

or is it closer?

hmm^^

I think it deos sound closer but the brain adapts which is confusing me rn 😄

[glad oriole]

Idk dude that's crazy though. I just assumed it was all surfaces since that was my experience. Like, how can I hear one person climb a ladder from like 60 metres and then suddenly one person from 10-20 metres doesn't make a peep?

[glad oriole]

so this was what I struggled with with my steelseries headset ngl.

but after getting my sennheisers everything is much clearer

[flat sandal]

sounds like yet one more time where one size fits all doesnt exists^^

[inland forge]

Are you stupid? Surefoot is not a violation of the game's code or any agreement I've signed.

[glad oriole]

How do you mean?

Omg

[flat sandal]

like, you can't set it right for everyone plus their irl gear

[muted rain]

Im not talking about surefoot, read properly the message tagged

Im talking about external HUDs

[glad oriole]

Oh yea for sure!

[muted rain]

talking about a guy who feedbacked that

[inland forge]

I most certainly wasn't. Why did you @ me with that tangent?

[muted rain]

It would be good if you actually read first instead of calling someone else stupid

[muted rain]

.

And then I was talking to QM

[glad oriole]

Is this a new way of communicating these days? My goodness.

[muted rain]

Just a misunderstanding, tagged you wrong it seems

Thats pretty much it

[inland forge]

Aigh

[flat sandal]

you are new on the internet I see 😄

[glad oriole]

Not exactly @flat sandal but I avoid toxicity as much as possible.

[flat sandal]

it's always being freshly replenished

[glad oriole]

Apparently

[flat sandal]

the circle of life on the net 😄

[glad oriole]

That it is I guess lol

[flat sandal]

it's usually quite calm here though

[muted rain]

@sacred musk You are right, but sadly many things dont count for challenges; as an example, the new added mini barrel (powder keg or whatever) wont count neither for the "do x damage with traps" (despite you blowing them up with alert trip mines, for example) or the explosive challenges (do x damage with consumables, as is not technically a consumable). Dark satchel is one of those things as you say, too. It is a consumable but it just doesnt count. I dont speak russian but I think your mission is for tools (deal damage with traps or consumables), so it might be confusing in that sense

[muted rain]

It is, just tagged him wrong, as a force of habit, since there are some creatures that actually defend the use of 3rd party programs like HUDs that plague Hunt. Just move on, it was just a misunderstanding from us both (and more mine than his, tbf), nothing else to see.

[rotund obsidian]

@spare sphinx #game-ideas message
When we still had the rule of two (two interactions per item maximum), a single interaction would partially open/close ammoboxes and medkits, and a second use (the last one) would fully open/close them, to show that they were empty.
They both still reach the partially open/closed state after one use, but they stay there no matter how many times they are used now.

[carmine needle]

Oop

Came here to say that

You do see if it's been used

[unborn sandal]

@sacred musk dark dynamite isn’t a tool. It’s a consumable. You need to get tool damage

[grave wraith]

No it's not, because wallhacks come strictly from programs that interact with the game.

[rotund obsidian]

what about those AI aimbots that just view the screen output and dont interact with the game?

[grave wraith]

Pretty sure the whole reason they do that is precisely so the anticheat doesn't detect them

Are you talking about the one that physically moves the mouse

[grave wraith]

This is still easier to detect though because you can tell suspicious crosshair movements and aiming

[rotund obsidian]

trying to understand your stance on this. do you think it should be allowed just because it's impossible to detect? or

[grave wraith]

If what fmj states is true, the game already says that it's not allowed. It just doesn't get banned because of not being able to detect it

They can say it's banned all they want but rules need to be enforced

[rotund obsidian]

crytek has been very hesitant to ever take a solid stance on it. they've done so but it's constantly referred to as a "gray area" by everyone

[grave wraith]

Probably because they know they can't enforce it

[rotund obsidian]

hell, we've even got mods in this discord admitting to using it

even if it's practically unenforcable, simply being direct and consistently saying "hey this isn't allowed" would at least be a step in the right direction

[grave wraith]

At the same time, introducing a rule that they can't enforce will get people spreading the fact they can't enforce it to others and could snowball into a newfound confidence for cheaters

[rotund obsidian]

they already dont enforce it, its in the code of conduct as "do not use third party programs". https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnG6GNVwTXhtAJhLxPkHUuTSUV4qTEx19?si=EfGpeUvYjBg-XtzD

quite frankly i think they just should add a permanent crosshair to the game as an option because right now its fuckin dumb that its basically just allowed via third party software

[muted rain]

Yeah, it is their problem if they cannot detect their cheats. As an user, you agreed to certain things beforehand. That is no excuse whatsoever, lol.

And we are not even talking about some obscure forms of cheating/exploiting things, but the average use of things like crosshairx that can be easily punished

[muted rain]

Not only on a video, its on ToS and EULA too

Even community managers will give you a regular response: it gives you an upper hand (no matter how slim) and actions may fall upon you.

[grave wraith]

Their problem if they can't detect a built in monitor crosshair or a piece of tape on the monitor?

[muted rain]

We are not talking about that

[grave wraith]

That is clearly the alternative that people would take immediately.

[muted rain]

We are talking about WELL KNOWN 3rd party programs used

[muted rain]

"Cheaters gonna cheat so therefore we might as well not take any action"

Your response is simply vague

[grave wraith]

Strawman

[muted rain]

No, that is not an strawman at all. Its your stance. "If people are gonna use alternatives when punished, why bother at all"?

Id only like to see all those people that use 3rd party programs punished as it was accorded beforehand

There is little to discuss; these people are violating both EULA and ToS, which the game itself tells you its reason enough for a permanent ban (ending user agreement). Im not inventing this out of thin air. The game LITERALLY tells you so, and you agreed to those terms.

And the guy who feedbacked that (which I pinged, if I recall) is probably just tired of seeing people run X Y Z stuff above Hunt just to get an extra edge, no matter how slim it is. Not intended and against the rules. Not to mention some of them arent simply "haha crosshairs so you dont get motion sickness" but rather can do other things too that are not intended at all. There is simply no way outta this one.

And no wonder the guy is probably tired af, since its not rare at all to see on upper brackets people exploiting things like this or just straight up using burner accounts. Something with a firm hand has to be done about this, and the best thing is that nobody can deny it, since its clearly stated by the official rules of the game. So like it or not, it is what is.

Crosshair X (just to put a popular, known, and subtle example) is for example the result of not applying such firm hand as it is promised in the user agreement. You have to report them with video proof (using while playing Hunt for thousand of hours) to their official website, individually, and maybe, just maybe, they get an slap on the wrist? 24h without playing? A week? (if you are lucky? xd) And then they get back to using that again and again and again. For thousands of hours. Its rare enough already finding players that are willing to go outta their way to report properly. So def an (ongoing) issue that will persist.

And the video linked is from 3 years ago, imagine. This is not anything new, but the result of not punishing players that constantly break the rules. The code has been there since the game launched.

[rotund obsidian]

ive literally never heard of someone getting even a warning for using crosshair x when reported for it lol

[muted rain]

I never have, also

Even when reported properly, you just never know

But assuming how major things are (people with vac bans, game bans, even multiple) or teamkill warnings are a joke, something as "subtle" as an overlay would be nothing

Its funny when they say stuff like that "oh but its not easy to detect!" and the guy has a burner level 2 steam account with 3 games, one F2P, Hunt, and the overlay. Cmon, dude. At least be original. Been on here quite some time already.

[rotund obsidian]

u could link their twitch where they livestream with a crosshair and nothing would happen lole

[muted rain]

Yeah, that is also something that unironically happens too. People streaming with crosshair X lmao

that would be like the easiest ban on the planet

cause you are simply dumb to stream how you cheat (by games own definition, whether the individual likes it or not)

"Here is a case of X guy clearly breaking user agreement" (undeniable, live streamed, recorded)

And nothing ever happens 😄

Check on him again, playing like nothing (and indeed, because nothing has been done)

[sacred musk]

The quest conditions require to deal damage to hunters using traps from tools or any consumables that deal damage. Is dark dynamite a consumable item? Yes. Does it deal damage to hunters when detonated? Yes.

[rotund obsidian]

Was it an alert tripmine + dark dynamite? I've heard that breaks the challenge

[sacred musk]

No. I pretended to be a bad solo player, took damage, and ran away from them to the prepared dynamite. They all ran after me, and I blew them up with a single stick.

[idle frost]

It's just a bug, doesn't count damage from satchel to the quest

[muted rain]

Its like i told you, its not actualized yet to include it as a "consumable". Had the same mission on last event.

[idle frost]

@dry cosmos oh hell no

[unborn dagger]

@spare sphinx That how it already works for Medkits, it will show being partially closed and half of the meds inside used.

[tawny prawn]

theyve confirmed multiple times over the years that crosshairs are alright if you ask the support team on their website, specifically cause it cant be reasonably enforced

adding built in crosshair would be a positive for the game for ease of use and all that, we already have the darksight crosshair and thats honestly unobtrusive enough and very very powerful in a game with visibility this annoying

but thematically, a lot of diehards arent gonna be a fan of that cause now you "gotta" use it for the big advantage it gives

people might be used to centered crosshair existing as a general upgrade, doesnt mean they like the fact that it exists. lowered crosshair was one of those "haha, you havent played as long as i have" things that always hurt newer players used to more traditional centered

[muted rain]

Need proof, as evidence points the other way (videos already posted up and the game user agreement, to begin with). And even if they did (entirely hypothetical), its irrelevant, as if it is against the EULA and the ToS. Nothing has been changed about the agreement regarding this. So it wont matter at all.

They can choir to the priest, it literally doesnt matter, as the game itself tells you so when you first agreed upon installation to use their services.

Nobody denies that a "built-in" crosshair would be a good QoL. This is totally a different topic you are bringing here. However, using 3rd party programs (no matter how subtle they might be) its against the own game code.