feedback-discussion

[tardy rapids]

This is the only clip I have for now

[median zephyr]

gigachad not using dumdum

[tardy rapids]

I prefer subsonic

[median zephyr]

it do make it stealthy, and is 100x more fun to fight

[rotund obsidian]

whats the mv with/without subsonic on the maynard silencer (and base maynard)

[tardy rapids]

Without subsonic it is roughly as fast as the spark

[median zephyr]

560 base normal maynard, i dont remember the others

[rustic timber]

It could have had a bit of pen actually.. with a velocity slower then we can walk, it could afford a pen . 😉

[rotund obsidian]

is the silencer 560 too without subsonic wtf

or is it like 500ish

[median zephyr]

it shouldnt be, idk what it is tbh its too new to be in my head

[tardy rapids]

Listen remove dum dum off the maynard and give it explosive trust

[median zephyr]

i fucking WISH

[tardy rapids]

Explosive suppressed sniper

[rotund obsidian]

476 is a lot but i guess its reasonable. what does subsonic knock it down to?

[median zephyr]

thatd be hilarious and id have 0 issue with the maynard

[tardy rapids]

Yeah so subsonic makes it almost trash

[grave iris]

Maynard without dumdum is not competetive at all.
Maynard is what makes the weapon viable and it is still heavily outperformed by other close range weapons.

[median zephyr]

better to have something perfectly usable and fun to fight but "competitive" and unfun

than*

[rotund obsidian]

289 is low but i think its perfectly reasonable for a silenced sniper rifle

[tardy rapids]

yes

[tardy rapids]

Explosive sniper sounds more fun

Then shotgun sniper

Dum dum on maynard just makes it a shotgun

[median zephyr]

fun > competitiveness or balance

[rustic timber]

It facinates me so much this dumdum issue for some players. I see hunters get hit by poison ammo.. The go immidately to cover, and stays down.. dumdum.. they fight a bit, then tries to stop it, annoyed as hell.

[tardy rapids]

If i want a shotgun sniper

I'll use lemat carbine scoped

Speaking of which

Can we get flechette on the lemat please?

[median zephyr]

thatd be sick

[rotund obsidian]

i get hit by sparks poison, i just need to not get hit again for a while. i get hit by maynard dumdum and i just die

(unless i pass the trait check and have bloodless)

[median zephyr]

youre telling me you cant get to cover in 1.34 seconds and hit the button or alwyas have blooless? for shame

[tardy rapids]

blooless moment

[median zephyr]

wrong person reply

[tardy rapids]

Dam bro got deleted out of existence

[rotund obsidian]

1.33 seconds without bloodless

[grave iris]

Maynard is far from being a shotgun. Shotgun instakills.
With the Maynard you need a followup and a bad followup makes you dead.
You need an upper body shot (up to 30M time to die: 1,5 sec upper body, 4 sec upper body with Bloodless; 9 sec lower body, 14 sec arm shot without Bloodless!) to be able to apply a lot of pressure. Landing that is not an easy task either. If you quickscope, they kill you in the process. If you hipfire, it is a gamble to land an upper body hit, unless you are very close. If you hit a non upper body shot and you push they kill you, because the dot is not strong enough. And it is always a gamble to push, because you never know what body part you hit and that they have Bloodless or not. Regardless of what body part you hit, a push is always risky, or not possible at all.
Not to mention you only have one shot, a 5 second reload! and a forced scope (even Springfield dumdum is ironsight, 2 sec reload with trait) against instakill or low TTK, lot more forgiving, multi-shot, fast firerate, ironsight weapons.
In close range (even in small and medium slot, compared to a large slot weapon!) almost all the time, there is a lot better and more reliable alternative.

[rustic timber]

1.34? With the damage droppoff? I seem to always have time for it myself. It can't be 1.34 sec..

[grave iris]

From 20M It is 1.5. The bullet travels.

[tardy rapids]

That same logic applies to a bow

[median zephyr]

it is, heavy bleed is 4.5 per second

[grave iris]

Bow one shots to arm up to 10M with the trait.

[rotund obsidian]

It deals 4.5 damage per second and it's 6 hp it has to bleed

[median zephyr]

not saying time with bullet travel, time from hit, to dead

[tardy rapids]

15*

[median zephyr]

its 1,34, thats math

1.34 seconds

in 30 meters to upper body

[grave iris]

You are not using it point blank. It is closer to 1.5 in reality.

[rustic timber]

Maybe my reaction speed is godly, in which case I apoligize for not giving more sympati to this. I iust didn't realise I was amazing!

[median zephyr]

doesnt matter if im using it from 30m, im counting time hit, to time dead

not trigger pulled to dead

[grave iris]

Time to die to a bleed from 20M is 1.5.
Because the bullet travels.

[median zephyr]

thats like saying the crossbow shotbolt doesnt insta kill you, bc the shotbolt has to fly

[grave iris]

We are talking about two different things.

[median zephyr]

bullet travel has 0 to do with damage delt

[rotund obsidian]

it absolutely does, what are YOU talking about bro 😭

[median zephyr]

ok lets do an excersize

point blank, 0 meters to travel

[rotund obsidian]

we don't include bullet travel time for how fast something kills you. a nitro to the head is an instant kill.

[median zephyr]

how fast do you die from bleed from maynard

[grave iris]

1.34

[median zephyr]

correct, and this is the number im saying, body hit, to person dead

[rotund obsidian]

You are tagged from a maynard at 30 meters. how long does it take to bleed out.

[rustic timber]

Is there any difference based on what limb thT gets hit?

[grave iris]

From the point of the start of the shot, 1.5.

[rustic timber]

In the amount of bleed one gets?

[tardy rapids]

Man I'm playing hunt not math word problems

[median zephyr]

im not saying once you pull the trigger, they die in 1.34 seconds, but once it hits, they have 1.34 seconds, if you are in range and hit the right spot

[rotund obsidian]

that wasn't the question

[median zephyr]

its complicated, i honestly need to test it more

[rotund obsidian]

the scenario is that youve been tagged

[grave iris]

up to 30M time to die: 1,34 sec upper body, 4 sec upper body with Bloodless; 9 sec lower body, 14 sec arm shot without Bloodless!

[median zephyr]

the pistols used to heavy bleed to chest, and lower to the arms/ with range, like officer bleed

[rotund obsidian]

used to?? when? unless you mean like, years ago, pretty sure they all did medium bleed to any point on the body, and still do within the range where intensity drops off

[rustic timber]

Heavy bleed? Really? I always felt the pax didn't really give tbatpunch I hoped for with dumdum.

Lets just say I got so happy when it got fmj.

[grave iris]

Pistols apply medium bleed up to 40M.
Pistols apply light bleed 40M+

Rifle applies heavy bleed up to 60M.
Rifle applies medium bleed 60M+

[median zephyr]

whenever i last tested, but a lot of bleed has been reworked, and its a complex system, but yes range is def a factor

a lot harder to test range stuff when the shooting range was broken for months, plus bullet drop so you cant confirm where your shot goes alone

[rotund obsidian]

I'm pretty sure the dummies are STILL bugged, and have been for ages, to not reset their bleed intensity when they die, so using the same dummy multiple times will always do intense bleed

[grave iris]

I tested it without hitting dummes multiple times. Because I'm aware of the bug.

[median zephyr]

id assume so, they dont fix bugs like that much

most things in this game arent light bleed, thats reserved for like, concertina strands, far shots, and the new vines

[rotund obsidian]

I thought all dumdum was nerfed down to 40 meters for one intensity drop, 80 for the second, but i think they tweaked it at some point to be different for different guns so i'd believe 60

they all used to be 80 meters for 1 intensity drop

[grave iris]

Yes, they changed it.

Now it is damage dropoff X2.

So pistol 20X2, rifle 30X2

[rotund obsidian]

that makes sense, I figured it was tied to the damage dropoff but i honestly gave up on testing it at the time i figured that out and then forgor 💀

[rustic timber]

A limit to not bleeding out could be interresting for cent and officer.. keep dumdum as is for single action. I am aboard with that,

[grave iris]

Dumdum is worse on silencers as well.
The damage dropoff starts from 20M instead of 30M on the Maynard.

[rotund obsidian]

I believe the cent shorty silencer dumdum doesn't do intense bleed at all, as well.

[grave iris]

Yes, it applies medium.

The Maynard Silencer still applies intense bleeding, but the damage dropoff is worse.

[rotund obsidian]

at the end of the day, im still takin bloodless because during a gunfight i'm not always gonna be able to realize i'm tagged by maynard dumdum, get to safety, and either start patching/start using medkit all in 1.33 seconds

[rustic timber]

Fair enough.. I mean. Bleeding seems to a thing this event... with springfield and fast fingers aswell.. oh my..

[rotund obsidian]

yea i was just about to say, now we got springfield to worry about too. i doubt it'll really replace cent dumdum but its still a gimmick i'd rather not engage with

[grave iris]

Springfield's reload time is half of the Maynard's. And you are having an ironsight as well. Only the bleeding takes more time to die to.

[rustic timber]

Bleed dot? What u mean?

[rotund obsidian]

It's the same dot, just less upfront damage so it's a longer bleedout time

DoT = damage over time

[grave iris]

Yes, I meant it takes more time to die to it.

[rotund obsidian]

4 seconds is still pretty solid pressure but it's far from an instant death gimmick

[rustic timber]

I thought the sprigfield could actually one shoot at certain distances with dumdum.. atleast dennis said that on twitch,

[grave iris]

It is easier to land an upper torso hit with the Sprinfgield ironsight. It is a lot more consistent.
With the Maynard if you quickscope, they kill you in the process. If you hipfire, it is a gamble to land an upper body hit, unless you are very close. If you hit a non upper body shot or they have Bloodless and you push they kill you, because the bleeding is not strong enough.
And you can't tell what body part you hit, so pushing is always a gamble.

Without body shot, the Maynard is a lot weaker than a Springfield body shot.

[rotund obsidian]

to the head a bodyshot within dmg dropoff range does 132 with a bleed of 4.5 damage per second

[rustic timber]

But now their is no limit to hs.,

[rotund obsidian]

that is true, a bullet (not a buckshot pellet or flechette or penny) to the head will always kill.

[grave iris]

People often underestimate the ironsight's advantage over the scope in close range combat.

The Springfield's ironsight makes it a lot better at close range over the Maynard's scope.
And the hipfire does not guarantee an upper body shot, sometimes you even miss entirely.

[rustic timber]

• it has a bayonette now, I seem to recall.

[grave iris]

Yes, a variant.

Also you can pick dumdum\explosive with Springfield.
You tag them with the dumdum and kill them with the aoe of the explosive when they are behind cover and trying to stop the bleed.

[rustic timber]

What I like with dumdum, and hope other ammo can replicate is this.. When a teammate is down, I can push the enemy, and revive my fallen comrade by hitting everyone on that team. Long ammo players and snipers on roofs, can be pushed, if you hit, and closes the distance. If a campers ambush, and I get a hit, it is difficult for that man to hide with the noise. So confrantation is choosen for us. More stand offs is what I want.

Brb

[grave iris]

AND you know what is the biggest advantage of the Springfield?

You can do that dumdum strategy with the Springfield Shorty. With an ironsight. With half the reload time. A MEDIUM slot weapon.

With the new trait, 2 sec reload time.

You can have the same strategy with a medium Springfield AND you can have another 3 slot weapon.

How is the Maynard even close to that?

[rustic timber]

Gotta be honest.. have yet to be killed to a maynard.. Still a virgin in that area.

[rotund obsidian]

because the bleedout timer is a third as long 👍

even less than a third compared to the springfield shorty, since that one has a lower base dmg

[grave iris]

It is still 4,5 seconds. And it is a lot more reliable to hit upper body with Springfield, than with the Maynard.
And without an upper body, Maynard is a lot worse.

[rotund obsidian]

springfield compact deals less damage than the base springfield so it's slightly longer

4.44 second bleedout

[rustic timber]

I think the poison ammo needs a buff.. I would like if it took all the stamina out of a player.

[rotund obsidian]

maynard = 1.33s,
springfield = 4s
springfield compact = 4.44s

[grave iris]

Not much of a difference.
Having it on a medium instead of a large slot is a LOT bigger advantage.

[median zephyr]

point is, bleeding out in 1.34 seconds is unfun, idc if its op, its unfun, over 4 seconds i dont mind at all, esp from a springfield

[grave iris]

It opens up a 3 slot weapon.

[rustic timber]

It is unfun for you phaz. We can't declare it unfun for the whole world.. and it is a common game thing to have bleed in shooting games. Hunt is not first.

[grave iris]

What do you mean by especially from a Springield? It is ironsight, half the reload time. Lot more consistently hit upper body.

[median zephyr]

its a single shot, as apposed to a repeating rifle, like a centennial

[rotund obsidian]

bleed is one thing but 1.33s bleedout can be, and often is, death with no counterplay

[rustic timber]

Fast finger trait boys?

Wanna make a single shot feel like .. let's say four shots.

[grave iris]

Dumdum is what makes the Maynard viable. Not op. Opens up a strategy.
They should consider to adjust the dumdum on it, if it is needed. Taking away the dumdum from it might not be a good solution.

[median zephyr]

and what im saying is idc about viability, i care about fun, dying in 1.34 seconds from a bleed from a rifle is never fun, so it needs adjusting in some way

[rustic timber]

I still like my split point idea.. Would have been fun.. The cent should be a reliable two shot.. No idea why that is not a thing already on it.

[grave iris]

Is it more fun to die to an instakill weapon or to a semi auto or high fire rate weapon in a blink of an eye instead with zero counterplay?

[rotund obsidian]

they are both not very fun 👍

[grave iris]

Not to mention you only have one shot, a 5 second reload! and a forced scope (even Springfield dumdum is ironsight, 2 sec reload with trait) against instakill or low TTK, lot more forgiving, multi-shot, fast firerate, ironsight weapons.

Maynard is a lot less reliable as well and a lot less forgiving.

[rotund obsidian]

less forgiving, you mean?

[grave iris]

You shoot once and if you miss or not hit upper body you can't really push further.
Other multishot weapons just shoot you again until you die.

They kill you even if you tag them.

[rotund obsidian]

sure it sucks to miss but it might as well be a one-shot to body

[rustic timber]

Here is what happends in practise.. You take away what works close range.. Means that people with those weapons don't come close.. It is that easy..

You get rifles outside, shotguns inside.. snipers further away... Waiting for the timer to force an action.

[rotund obsidian]

I mean it doesn't help that they gigabuffed the fuck out of shotguns

[rustic timber]

Agreed Taco!

The reason we now has 45 m, instead of an hour is because this became such an issue..

[rotund obsidian]

crytek's been super focused on making the game revolve around effective oneshots or spam weapons, and I'm not really a fan of it.

[rustic timber]

which spam weapons do you currently feel really shakes the game flow?

[rotund obsidian]

cyclone buffed yet again, dolch p is still a monster

levering is... obnoxious, although i can't say its too strong. just feels annoyingly viable more than anything else.

[rustic timber]

the cyclone got buffed through the mistake of upgrading everything not used by the player base.. This idea that everything should have the same amount of players using it, is a strange idea. Dumdum is the victim of that, more then it being OP. The dolch.. That thing kicks like a horse, and they nerfed it to the point that I don't see it that often. With fmj and dumdum it got a bit of a buff.. Now that is scarce.

[grave iris]

Crossbow is a lot more reliable one tap weapon as well with the Steel Bolt.
It makes the bolt as fast as a New Army bullet.

[rotund obsidian]

I genuinely don't believe cyclone's pickrate was that low, I see it reasonably often

[rustic timber]

Now I see it often.. Not that much before.

I play it 6 star lobby do.. Most I see is krag and dolch..

NOW I see that do.. Which I think has something to do with people storing fmj and dumdum on dolch

and wanna use it now.

[rotund obsidian]

i still see dolch precision pretty often, it's by no means rare.

[rustic timber]

Really? I used to collect them.. Never using them.. I have this throphy thing going on with my contrabands. Never get to pick them up do.. krag on the other.. The roads are paved with them.

And ofcourse.. Shotguns.. Medium slot once.. Every hunter has them.

[grave iris]

That is the other thing. Maynard takes up a large slot.
And even some small and medium slot weapons are more deadlier and more reliable in close range.
And you can have any other large slot weapon with them.

[rustic timber]

I figured you like maynard.. I know how it is.. I have the centennial.. Since it first came, and got declared shitty by the community.. I still used it. It took around 3 shots to get a hunter down with the droppoff.. The firerate was hell.. Then they fixed that.. Then dumdum came, and it became part of my fmj/hv/dd loadout.. Now poison ammo got nerfed.. HV lost 5 % damage and 50 m velocity.. FMJ got recoil + 5 %.. and my dumdum ammo is locked behind bars.. It has been a rough year for it, to say the least..

[median zephyr]

this is whataboutism, both are terrible and unfun, both are bad, idc what is worse theyre both trash

[grave iris]

They are having their own effective ranges and their own advantages and disadvantages.
Maynard is worse than other close range options in most of the situations.
But you can even play around those better close range weapons as well.

[rustic timber]

And you like using it, and it feels good.

I think crytek is wrong with the idea that every player, should play all guns. People find the gun that fits their style, that is it.. Instead of supporting that.. Crytek believes if you just tried the other guns.. You would love them all.

[tardy rapids]

No they are trying to shift the meta

Not mosin dolch or cent dum dum every game

And tbh meta spammers aren't fun

[rustic timber]

You call it meta.. I didn't see it so much as apperantly the rest of you. Long ammo has been the king, and still is the one on top for the past 6 years.. This hasn't changed a bit.. Infact I bleed more often now because of drilling, arrows and shredd, then I ever did before.

I feel sorry for that poor uppercut do.. My god, what a beating that one took this year..

[median zephyr]

never said it was about strength, pros cons, its unfun, that is all

[rustic timber]

Unfun for you.. I still think it is important the differ between your own opinion and the community.. I personally never felt bad dying to bleed. But there is something in this "how people react to it". Frag bombs too had this issue in the beginning, where people simply died from the bleed.. Not noticing it.

Maybe they need a red overlay or something..

[quartz owl]

Buff uppercut
Two options.
1.buff to 126 dmg keeping the 6/6 ammo keeping the price
2.buff to 6/9 ammo Lower price to 270
Nerfing it below 125 (can’t 1 tap a bar down) then nerfing it to 6/6 is wild

[rustic timber]

Agreed

[median zephyr]

i never said it was unfun for everyone, every single thing i say is my opinion, and obv im not alone in it

[rustic timber]

I do think it's a loud minority.. One that won't be happy before the map is 1 x 1 m, and the only gun allowed is conversion pistol.

[lean estuary]

Yeah I think a faded red edge to your vision that pulses with an audible heartbeat would be good

[untold saffron]

Balancing via price does nothing in high elo, just makes it worse for new players/ppl casually playing. They should never have made uppercut or drilling so stupid expensive

[grave iris]

Balancing via price might be the least effective way of balancing in lower elos as well, considering the current state of the economy.

[median zephyr]

i dont think there is an overlap, i love most guns, and seeing as most people hate cenni bleed, because it was unfun, and the devs agreed it was too much, this is no minority

[quartz owl]

I agree but they also balance of price

[rustic timber]

No no.. they agree that to many uses it. They already nerfed it during the summer, to make you guys happy.

[quartz owl]

I agree but with balancing off price current uppercut should cost around 200 it’s not any better than trueshot

[untold saffron]

yeah it should be lowered/undo the previous balancing via price and actually balance the weapon

[rustic timber]

Once again.. I agree.. 250 sounds good to me for it in current state.

It still gives ammo to long ammo weapons.. that is worth a lot.

[median zephyr]

all weapons should be balanced, price is last resort, like the lebel should always be cheaper then mosin

barring some crazy buff

[quartz owl]

I agree
And the uppercut is not balanced and extremely underpowered not even regarding price

(For long ammo/what the uppercut is)

[median zephyr]

it was balanced when it was 6/9, its not worth the price yes, it should be a high end pistol, but not too high like it was

[rustic timber]

But that is a gun crytek knows their playerbase likes.. I even liked it.. It felt cool! Is it to give more room to the haymaker?

[quartz owl]

It needs a buff to 6/9 (or even 6/12)
Or
126 dmg

[rustic timber]

Like I have already said.. Crytek has this idea that their should be the same % player on all their weapons.. The only reason to nerfe it, in my eyes.. Is if you have a goal of making other pistols.. Like spark pistol and haymaker more popular.

[median zephyr]

it was nerfed from 126dmg for good reason, no one slot should be downing downed hunters so easy, ever again

[quartz owl]

I agree but as a 6/6 I personally think it’d be balanced on 126 6/6 of make the uppercut p 126

[rustic timber]

I disagree.. You have died once.. That makes you a target to be killed by one shot weapons. Bring a restore bar shot if you wanna avoid it.

[tribal sleet]

STOP CHANGING HOTKEYS CRYTEK FFS

[rustic timber]

Which one was it now?

[tribal sleet]

Beetle

[median zephyr]

i dont, its unfun even if its 6/6, its just badly designed, 6/9 and price reduction is fine

[rustic timber]

It is very unfun for you to die.. Two tap is the great way to die?

Qapla?

[quartz owl]

“Badly designed”
“Unfun”
Doltch and all variants
Krag
Auto
Silencers (specifically how stuipd Krag silenced is and how underpowered others are)
Necro (how badly designed it is)
Sharpshooter (it’s broken)
Dum dum (I’m salty/too opressive)
Fire ammo
Frag arrows (I’m salty)
Mosin orbrez
Spear (for way too long thank god it’s nerfed now)
Quartermaster

[rustic timber]

"If only the map could be 1 x 1 m, and only conversion pistols was allowed.. "

[grave iris]

A tool that one shots with a light attack to body, heavy attack one shots to any body part.
Having a great range.
You were able to run meanwhile you were holding it ready to throw.
The throw one shot to any body part with a faster projectile.
What was your problem with the Spear?

[median zephyr]

never complained about dying, but if you cant see that a one slot, one tapping you once downed, and why it was the meta for years, was busted, then i cant help you

[median zephyr]

many on this list are unfun, this is true

[quartz owl]

??? Exactly what you pointed out?? It’s bad game design

[rustic timber]

I will add to that list NOT_THE_ALT:
Avtomats
Double ranged shotguns
poison ammo (nerfed to hell)
HV (-5% and less ammo)
FMJ - 5% + on the recoil for rifles?
Assassin takes to long time
Rotjaw - to litte incentive to do it.
Quickswap gone.. not even a trait option
To little "breakers" in stand still fights.. so the timer has to be waited out (boring).
Flash bomb - nerfed to oblivion
Spear - lost the range.. that was it's impressive feature

[rustic timber]

But it was the "kick - recoil" revolver with long ammo. Ofcourse should it have damage.. The moment the uppercut becomes a two tapper, it is simply not that gun anymore.. Why not choose the fast two tapper, sense they are both two tappers now..

[median zephyr]

it can have more dmg then most pistols, as it still does, why not make it 150, its supposed to be the big kick recoil revolver its only fair

and recoil means 0 for most weapons in this game, barring fast firing stuff

[quartz owl]

There is NO statistical (not including money) to run uppercut OVER the trueshot currently that is my main problem
Also yes I’d love that doltch meta is cancer

[median zephyr]

it has farther 2 tap range, better pen, and gives ammo to your long ammo guns, thats multiple reasons

you may like trueshot more, it does some stuff better, but not everything

[quartz owl]

2m longer 2 tap range
Pen is broken currently

[rustic timber]

But it is a two tapper on full health.. One tap, only when you have been downed.. That should be fine. I am not asking 150.. I am saying 125 made it stand out.. Now a trueshot and a uppercut has to be judged on very special scenarios.. One that the fmj on trueshot will settle easier then the uppercut.

[median zephyr]

pen got fixed this patch, it works again

[quartz owl]

W

[median zephyr]

i just disagree that in order for it to "stand out" it needs to be the busted thing its been since launch, count me out

[rustic timber]

With bulletdrop aswell, the uppercut has taken one more hit.. Now I like bulletdrop as a whole.. But it did not do uppercut any favors..

Busted thing.. For taking down a downed hunter.. a downed hunter should be more easy to take down.. Specially now that there are so many way to get that bar back.

[quartz owl]

It doesn’t need to be busted it just needs to not be complete ass
Eg: back to 6/9 (even 6/12)

[median zephyr]

ive repeatedly said it should be 6/9, and price reduced, please read my messages

[rustic timber]

That he did.. I am the one that argues that it got nerfed to give room for other pistols.. and that it has lost its base.. It has just been given to others.. Spark pistol can do 149 damage.. takes 3 seconds to reload..

Cheaper too.. Comes now even in silent form..

[median zephyr]

#feedback-discussion message i said this earlier, so yes i agree with going back up in ammo, but not with a dmg increase

[rustic timber]

Here is why I think cryteks approach to "%" equal on all weapons fail. It fails because they keep upgrading what people don't use.. Right now we have rexnor killing everything out there on half draw bow, and pull tactic.. Why does that work? Because the bow wasn't used as much as crytek thought it should be.. So they buffed it to now be a one shot weapon. It was fine before.. Even rexnor that uses the bow was surprised that happend.. Same thing in reverse with uppercut...This equality for weapons, is such a sinking grave to land on. Instead of overflowing the game with options, and see where players land.. May they fall where they may.. Open up for calculating what is liked, or not.. We instead get this attempt of.. not balancing the weapon itself.. But the popularity.. It seems so weird to me..

[median zephyr]

its a terrible philosophy yes, you need to look at specific weapons and see what needs to be done, like the winnie isnt meta, but is perfectly usable and fine

same with balancing by price, alone its terrible

[rustic timber]

Agreed.. The compact ammo weapons... Is the only one I feel they have managed perfectly. Even the marathon feels right.. Love it..

All do.. Recently people will disagree, as they want some reality to the bullet drop. Where the compact suddently has become a bit.. better at range I suppose.

[median zephyr]

idc about "reality" i care about gameplay, the bullet drop changes were good, barring a few outliars

[rustic timber]

It did change the long ammo meta a bit.. Which I do love!

For me personally.. If the engine could handle it.. If I could blow up walls with dynamites of certain sizes.. Creating my own entrances, and thereby changing the approach for each turn.. Would love that! That would be a gamechanger.. That.. and I want most ammo to pen! Pen shots is a skill.. We need more of it to change the dynamic of bunker down.

[proven pasture]

Man, what a crapshow. Probably the worst video I've seen in the gimmicky spam slop era of Hunt Showdown.

#feedback message

[rustic timber]

I still don't get why people can't combat it a bit more. It is not that strong.. Maybe the frag one do.

[quartz owl]

It’s basically a full auto 40mm that bounces off walls and explodes when it gets within 2m of someone your not beating it

[median zephyr]

ive killed multiple, its not unkillable, no weapon is, its just low skill and spammy and unfun

problem is its strong, and unfun, not unkillable

[rustic timber]

I find it an interresting challenge.. People seem to spam it uneccessary much.. The velocity is a bit slow, so unpredictable movement.. and any cover works! Even the smallest table stops that thing..

[tawdry flame]

Same. Luckily I haven't queued against anyone competently wielding it though, because every one I've seen has been quickly dispatched. I'd have to agree with the overall sentiment that spammy guns are bad for the game though.

[median zephyr]

yea, ive killed people that had it, but no trio squad who brought it all in yet, and yea its unfun, but!! heres to the next 2 months

[rustic timber]

Hunt has the least spammy guns I have seen in most shooting game. I think the balance is pretty good, considering that one could take more liberty with these weapons if one wants. Specially because many of these are much faster IRL. Yet, Crytek has been kind, and stuck to their guns so to speak.

[lean epoch]

holiday twitch drop are going to happen or what???most popular games do it around this time of the year wondering if anyone knows how to get the word over to whoever is in charge of that part?!?! or is this not a official discord?

[rustic timber]

It is.. But.. I don't know.. We all got what does twitch drops has to give at current state..

[median zephyr]

its not about number of them, its game design, if a gun has all full autos, semi autos are not an issue, in a game of lever actions and bolt actions, one full auto can ruin everything

[rustic timber]

So now the crown and king is also an issue? It never ends really.. Custom servers I think is the solution, so u guys can go in melee...

[median zephyr]

yes actually crown and king has been unfun and spammy since launch, go play cod if you like spam and full autos

[rustic timber]

Clearly does devs disagree with you. I believe their exist a game called War of Rights that would be perfect for you! 😉

It got everything you could love!!!! 😄 This is the game for you my man!!!!

[median zephyr]

this patch sure, but a lot of the community agrees with me as well, we like this game for the slower guns not the spam fest

[grave iris]

How can you tell what does the majority of the community likes in the game?
Isn't the discord community and the reddit community are minorities compared to the whole playerbase?
Why would Crytek go into a certain direction if the majority of the playerbase does not like it?

[pure turtle]

idk this isnt very fun though. with bulwark btw

[rustic timber]

"Oh yes.. that overpowerd new army, and officer.. and levering and fanning.. If only the game could be a spark, and lemat.. Then the world would be perfect.. ".. Again.. Custom server is a good idea.. What if we could have a couple of rules to your matches, so u get what u want. I think my solution is a win-win for everyone.

[median zephyr]

never said op, and i never named those weapons, i said unfun, these are two different things

[rustic timber]

So u say new army and officer is not spammy?

[median zephyr]

its impossible to tell, obv im not saying everyone agrees, but im not alone in this

[median zephyr]

they are, but i dont mind them, theyre aimed shots and slow enough and low enough dmg that i dont mind much

fanning is weaker, but more spammy for example

[rustic timber]

I been using fanning with trueshot.. My enemies will disagree in it being weaker. But sure.. You want hunt to take place roughly right after the civil war, and stay there. 1896 was a bit to many years.

[median zephyr]

idc what your enemies think, aimed shots will always beat rng in the hands of a good player, and yes, this game is unique in its slower weapons, its not meant to be modern and all fast firing, but if thats what you want thats fair, i never will

[rustic timber]

the avtomats was there almost from the begining.. I am just saying that hunt has never marketed itself to you, as a game that never would have double acton and semi auto... or even auto..

Also the fanning in the begining, was pretty much better that what ever auto pistol exist today.. My god was it fast and stable..

[median zephyr]

the avtomat, dolch, officer, and bornheim were there from the start, the devs have repeatedly nerfed them, and have commented on it being unfun, theyre not on your side like you think they are

[rustic timber]

So the idea that hunt was a slow game before, and now has gone spammy.. I think that is nostalgia speaking.. It had weapons with extreme firerate..

NO again! They noticed you guys where having issues with them, and tried to help. Using the idea of how many used them, to see if they where popular.. Which they where.. Their consept of balanze by "%" did the change for u.

Not what they felt was balanced..

[pure turtle]

I whole heartedly agree with you. The game has just gone overboard with all the spam and explosive spam in the last couple years. I still love the game but not the way I used to. there isnt really any turning back from the direction the devs are headed. once you add this stuff people like Erlend will be really upset if they removed it and understandabley so. Gone are the days of fun long firefights. now fights are over in 30 seconds and who ever has the most explosives and faster fire rate wins.

[median zephyr]

weve added the spitfire, the new army, the officer carbine, the cyclone, and chu ko nu and to a lesser extent many things like krag, slate, drilling, etc, and buffed many things that spam, and speed up the gunplay the game HAS gotten faster, its not nostalgia thats factual

[rustic timber]

So no one here remembers that hunters, hunted down others with avto, and dolch.. sniping people with them.. while having 15 seconds of vision each from the bounty.. Slow fights.. Nostalgia has changed facts!

[median zephyr]

everyone does have a dolch, but thats the thing is things can be nerfed, not removed, but nerfed, the devs wont do it though, this game is faster and faster and they wont be turning back

[rustic timber]

Things went quick aswell back then.. Slow fights.. The only thing was that ranked weapons made a difference.. Making new people not having medkits before lv 10.. stuck to romero, winfield c and springfield for so many levels.. constantly dying to those that had unloced better long ammo weapons.

No mmr either.. so the best met the worst.. 2000 players we where total. Fights whent quick!!!

[median zephyr]

i played since beta, and the game was not like this, if you look at the shredder, and crackshot this event, and think old hunt was like this, youre the one with nostalgia

[rustic timber]

Seriosuly.. The avtomat and nitro was king!!!!

The avto had so much bullets, and it was no special.. ammo boxes where plenty.. This is a bunch of bull that it was slow fights.. Maybe if you meet one that was in the same progress ranking as you with weapons.. But.. Check those clips from back then. Dying slow is not a thing..

and camping was amazingly prevelant.. Extraction points had people waiting on them, for you to show up.. Ladders where camped, because u got trapped in animation when you climbed them...

Maybe because people where scared of the ai in the begining, that hunters where slower in going into compounds. But that just made that difference between new and old players that much more noticebal..

Because of the lack of cover on the map aswell.. It just became worse.. Snipers ruled plains and waters.. Most of the map was open.. I remember alain& son being hell.. So many corpses just spread around it.. Why? Because it was it's own island.. and the long ammo had so much fun taking us fools that tried to run through water towards it. There was no other way.. We had to sit it out, and wait for them to extract out of the compound.. Alain was so horrible..

And the quickswap.. OMG! Under a second you could do it.. two uppercut shot, with 0.2 second between them.. Instant kill.. Spark with the animation bug to.. Quickswap again, get two spark shots.. It was a crazy time!

The slow game u guys remember, is that waiting time that lasted forever.. Us staring at that timer, hoping something would happend.. For an hour each round...

[rustic timber]

You should start consider relocating a bit.. Standing still is what gets u killed like that..

[pure turtle]

Definitely got myself stuck out in the open but not used to having six explosive saw blades launched at me. The whole team was using them to boot lol.

[rustic timber]

Fair enough.. The shredder with frag seems a bit strong.. Specially if all three has it.

[pure turtle]

3 days ago unless i get head shot, there is such a low chance of dying in that position, and i can just run behind cover.

[rustic timber]

Could be done something there absolutely.. Bulwark and surefot is our defense while we wait for that fix.. It may not come before the event is done do..

But to my water point.. Look at this shit.. and it was so much of this all over the map:

I wonder where hunters will come from here.. mhmmm...

I hated this so much...

We walked so slow through this.. and we got sniped 200 m away by silenced nagant, because their where no headshot limit..

This was a meta for a long time:

I hate being the only one that remembers this!

[hybrid pecan]

Why did you guys get rid of bleed on the centennial? Now its a useless weapon, no medium weapons with bleed except the drilling and single shots LAME

[rustic timber]

Hey.. my centennial is beautiful! Test it with fmj and hv.. It is wonderful.. But you are right that it's mainstream popularity was that the dumdum ammo gave people a chance to hold or push hunters.. True..

All do.. a new trait called fast fingers, has made springfield a four shot weapon basically.. So.. Enjoy yourself. It cost only four points.

[hybrid pecan]

Lol i have to learn how to play all over again

none of my loadouts even equip now i was so bleed reliant haha

officer brawler and centenial all the way!

back to the krag i guess

[rustic timber]

For me it is centennial for long - medium distance, spitfire for medium - close... Derringer Pennyshot for close. Regular, FMJ or HV. I love it! 🙂

[hybrid pecan]

I loved that silenced centenial shorty with bleed tho

that was my go to

as a solo

with a terminus shorty

agh

[rustic timber]

It did help to give the time needed for movements.. and both you and I know it wasn't op. But apparently some people don't know know how to reach to mild stress..

[hybrid pecan]

maybe ill run around the map until i find bleed ammo every time before i actually play haha

[rustic timber]

That is true commitment.. But the odds of it spawning are very low..

[hybrid pecan]

haha well i think a better solution would have been to make bloodless cheaper or something

anyone complaining should just stfu and get bloodless if they hate bleed ammo

im biased tho haha

[rustic timber]

It will come back do.. All do.. If you asked some of these people, anything even closely to light bleed would be to much on the centennial.. Apperantly it was the end of hunt for some..

Me too! I liked being able to help my deaf teammates hear where hunters were by tagging them.

[night tree]

People aren't taking Bloodless as their first trait?

Madness.

[hot hound]

v

[vast geyser]

@frosty vapor royal Phantom is not gonna be fixed. This was based on Rachtas feedback that a syringe can't be injected into a prosthetic, so for "his" skin it changed.

[flat sandal]

I completely forgot to pay attention to the 75ms window thing. Anyone notice a difference in trades and ping "abuser" frequency?

@fleet flax what do you mean by stockpile them? For each time you take one out, you can take one in, not more, not less. Regardless if you choose not to take it and "stockpile" it.

@raw forum Totally want them to do that as well. Same with Inferno. It should have some worthwhile stuff though, like scare traits, the bear could stay as well and give a trait and mass XP. Maybe it shouldn't be on the map and you only know about it because the clown grunts are in town,

and maybe enven the baloons in which case you could also collect some points for the fortune teller

so everything minus the event specific pledge traits 😄

[fleet flax]

The issue I'm visualizing, and has already been seen is in the form of dedicated trios having them in their back pockets for use as a set whenever they want.

The stockpiling isn't ultimately as much of an issue as being able to have multiple in a single match, which is really what my suggestion seeks to resolve.

[flat sandal]

yeah maybe that is an issue, Idk, but many people also think that beetle spam is an issue. I haven experienced either much, just one beetle spam and it was kinda funny

[untold fjord]

Why would crytek think it was a good idea to add blademancer, make it instant to kill through walls whenever you are hit by any boy at anytime..? Garbage

bow*

[flat sandal]

the shredder is homeing?

Oh I see 😄 Ratchas video broke the community despite the disclaimer just like Huuges did with the revive bolt (without disclaimer of course^^)

It's basically a rocked launcher though, kinda crazy

[slow rampart]

At the moment I’m forced to be Chinese because my ping is so bad on my native Europe servers I can’t do anything about it

[quartz owl]

It’s basically a full auto 40mm that bounces off walls and explodes within 2m of Someone

[obsidian sparrow]

So far I’m really enjoying the event and I’m pleased with the general update. Couple of things I’m not too keen on like the shredder but overall the game feels a lot better than it has been of late. 👍 to CRYTEK this time.

[wanton valve]

i love how the menu keeps getting worse and worse with every update 😂

crytek top 3 most incompetent devs of all time lmao

[crystal plume]

How has it gotten worse this update?

[tardy rapids]

They are complaining to complain

[brazen geyser]

hear me out, poltergeist lets you voip through beetle

[brazen geyser]

well, pushing the hot key to return to lobby doesnt work on every menu anymore for one..

[charred sorrel]

just played a bounty clash match with 46/50 hunter and wanted to retire afterwards, enemy team left with bounty token, no warnings, one minute passed after they left and mission timer just ran out and hunter died, "good job" in conveying information to the player that mission is about to end

[crystal plume]

They changed bounty clash to end after 1 minute after the bounty leaves the match

Was mentioned in the patch notes

Correction, 90 seconds rather than a minute

[charred sorrel]

i don't think everyone have time to read those long patch notes, there is should be some kind of red text count down on screen

[crystal plume]

I'm pretty sure there's popups indicating how much time is left?

Like one at 1 minute left and such

[charred sorrel]

i think so, but it's same as before and i didn't even notice it says one minute left, i thought it's 5 minutes as always, so that's why i was confused

anyways thank you for pointing out a patch note, there are so many posts in steam, i searched a few by keywords, but didn't find one, atleast now i know it was mentioned somewhere lol

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message idk if you mean unnerf the uppercut by making it do 126 again, or just give it back its spare ammo, but if its the ammo I 100% agree with this and thank you for summing up my feelings

[crystal plume]

@pseudo stream Your post was removed as it was feedback rather than a suggestion/game idea

[pseudo stream]

i know that dAvid fifield told you to do that

[crystal plume]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[flat sandal]

don't unnerf the uppercut. We need more nerfs not less imo. Don't really care what gets nerfed, on average it should go a bit down across the board. We have too many buffs. Also hope there was a good data based reason for nerfing it and that is wasn't the green type of data.

[tardy rapids]

Just no.

[flat sandal]

just no what?

[tardy rapids]

Not even an explaination just no.

"Nerf the already shit weapons"

"We need to nerf more"

[crystal plume]

I already didn't even see that many uppercuts anymore before this update

No idea why they went after that rather than dolch

[tardy rapids]

^^^ Not even in 5* for me

[crystal plume]

And no just making it's special ammo scarce was not a nerf to it really

[flat sandal]

yes the point it everything compares to some type of average and that average kept going up in strength

does with every buff

I would like to know why the uppercut though

maybe the skin sals have fallen off and sparks pistol and haymaker sales need a buff^^

[flat sandal]

so mate, if you want to argue with me you'd have to argue with that point not your strawman there

[tardy rapids]

Stop watching fallacy youtube videos. Second the argument simple nerfing everything is not a good argument.

[median zephyr]

nerfing everything until it is in the ground isnt good, yes i agree some things need nerfs, but this is not one of them

[flat sandal]

so you don't think that things usually get cheaper and stronger?

[median zephyr]

the krag being added added to power creep, the uppercut being buffed in this way wouldnt

new additions yes, but then you shouldnt add/ nerf those, not nerf everything

why dont we nerf the nagant? thatll stop the dolch power creep

[flat sandal]

I'm talking about averages. the overall direction things go over time

[tardy rapids]

Then specify

[median zephyr]

yes, but buffs/nerfs cant be based on "averages" its specific cases

[tardy rapids]

A game where you nerf everything isn't a good game

[flat sandal]

it is simply a way to look at things

[median zephyr]

we look at what needs a nerf and what needs a buff, not just never buff

[tardy rapids]

You need to buff/balance to make a balanced game.

[flat sandal]

power creep leads to faster fights

[median zephyr]

this... isnt power creep

[flat sandal]

what isn't

I don't think you get what I am trying to say

[median zephyr]

the uppercut getting 3 bullets back

maybe i dont, im willing to understand

[flat sandal]

it could, I donÄt care. I just think we shouldnt be too unhappy about nerfs

there are enough guns to play with

who cares if one gets nerfed to a place that is too weak

[median zephyr]

this is bad logic, we want as many guns to be competitive, and fun to fight as possible, obv fun comes first, but with this logic, why not nerf the nagant? we have enough guns to play with

nobody plays it anyway so not even much lost right?

[flat sandal]

that's a too complicated interpretation of the simple point I was trying to make

[median zephyr]

your simple point is flawed is what im saying

i agree id rather smth be too weak then busted, but saying "just nerf it we have enough never buff" isnt good for the health of the game

[flat sandal]

so again, you don't think that it has been going up with every patch in terms of weapon strength?

[median zephyr]

i do, but you cant say "they buffed the spectre we gotta nerf all other guns!!!"

you should say "this buff was unwarranted, revet it"

"this addition was bad, we need to nerf it"

[flat sandal]

it's better at this point to bring some weapons down and adjust accordingly downwards more imo

[median zephyr]

if you think the uppercut was one of the problem weapons post 1896, i dont think well ever agree

[tardy rapids]

So not nerfing everything

And buffing/nerfing weapons

[median zephyr]

your focusing on the wrong things imo

[flat sandal]

that is thinking about balancing based on individual guns, which is fine. I#m talking more about a philosophy

[tardy rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/fml-sylvester-cat-annoyed-headbang-gif-7605980029532191439

Please elaborate.

[flat sandal]

again?

[median zephyr]

theyre saying power creep is real, which i agree with

[tardy rapids]

Ok thank you that summarizes it

[flat sandal]

thanks for your input, it has been invaluable

[median zephyr]

however im specifically targeting your "never buff" or "only nerf sentiment" im not saying 0 things deserve nerfs

[tardy rapids]

Yes power creep exists but nerfing everything doesn't fix the philosophy of power creep.

[median zephyr]

if anything nerfing lower things makes power creep worse

[flat sandal]

that's not the sentiment

[median zephyr]

bc nerfing the lower stuff, means the busted stuff is even higher then the rest

[flat sandal]

simply, bring things down a nothc on avarage

and I'm not mad about buffs even if they are stron

I'm mad about nerfs

sorry

the other way around^^

[flat sandal]

not but nerfing more and buffing less doesn?

[median zephyr]

i think i just dont get it, it feels like your mad at the idea of power creep, when the whole thing this stemmed from was you saying "dont unnerf the uppercut, we need more nerfs not less imo"

[flat sandal]

what is power creep in your mind?

I think about it as balancing upward

[median zephyr]

guns getting stronger on average, then they were before/ new additions that completely outclass old ones

however, nerfing things that arent busted doesnt fix this

[flat sandal]

not but it doesn't hurt either

[median zephyr]

it literally does

powercreep is worse, when the lows are lower and highs are higher

making that gap more makes power creep worse

[flat sandal]

I think of power creep as balancing upwards over time

I can look it and say weapon x underperforms so I buff it or I nerf weapon y instead

[median zephyr]

which is what were doing that youre disagreeing with yes

[flat sandal]

that all doesnt have much to do with the uppercut nerf, I don't know why they did that

[median zephyr]

if your whole point was "powercreep exists and they should nerf the busted stuff/ revert the bad buffs" then 100%

[flat sandal]

btw I wasn't really replying to your suggestion, I think it's fine. A lot of people questioned the uppercut nerf. I'm just saying, maybe don't be too mad about a nerf. Is all^^

also completely fine for the weapon balance nerds to complain about it

[median zephyr]

ill be mad about bad nerfs, yes its not as bad as a bad buff, but bad change is bad, it shows the devs have 0 idea whats a problem and whats not

like them buffing spectre, which they just did which was just tone deaf

[flat sandal]

I really do would like to know why they decided to do that

[median zephyr]

i physically cant explain it

they go "everyone is using crown, so gotta buff the others"

THATS powercreep

[flat sandal]

exactly

[median zephyr]

spectre was 100% fine and needed no changes, literally 0

[tardy rapids]

Nah it needs one change

Make the ironsight better

[median zephyr]

im not gonna argue this one one way or the other, they work for me but if people think that fine

but not a ROF buff

[tardy rapids]

This depends on meta, the game, and more in question.

[flat sandal]

for a shotgun? it doesnt have spread

[tardy rapids]

For hunt they need to buff/balance certain ammo types and guns a lot not nerf everything to expect everything to be balanced.

[median zephyr]

wym?

[flat sandal]

like, what do you need ironsights for?

[somber harbor]

the issue is that they do nothing to actually make price matter tbh

[median zephyr]

slugs

[flat sandal]

hipfire is just as accurate

fair

never use them ever

[median zephyr]

price cant matter, and balancing by price is trash, but they just do it to say "this is busted just make it crazy expensive problem solved"

[somber harbor]

like the crown should be fucking good cause it costs much more than the other shotguns, but now p much everyone who doesn't prestige or isn't new can bring them in quite often due to having a hoard of money

[median zephyr]

which just doesnt work

[somber harbor]

cap the money

people should not be having over like 40k

[median zephyr]

all weapons that are unfun, overpriced, etc, should be balanced, and price brought down

cant really do that, people work for their money and items, not to mention theyll just put the money into assets and store them

[somber harbor]

"people work for their money" yeah but this is a video game mate

money should have a reasonable cap, it's a resource

[flat sandal]

I'm for individual hunter money of sorts

[somber harbor]

you should not be able to invalidate a system like that by being a hoarder

[median zephyr]

yes but if you cant earn money now, why go for bounty? why do lots of things

so people will still not care

[somber harbor]

just make it so you can't have more than one of each bought

[somber harbor]

people already don't go for bounty

bounty is the least reliable source of income in the game nowadays

[median zephyr]

not as much as if they physically cant earn money

always has been

people just get smarter and realize whats worth and not when they sweat

your idea works in a vaccum, but has too many problems to actually work, what we need is actual balance so it doesnt matter if someone has 100000000 dollars, even the best stuff isnt too good

[flat sandal]

an economy where weapon prices change based on "consumption" could also do something or based on performance

[somber harbor]

fr though

[flat sandal]

or both

[somber harbor]

add stock issues to the game

supply and demand

[median zephyr]

this is also what they try and do, its why mosin is 600, but it still doesnt deter people

[somber harbor]

if the people want to run a mosin every match, make them pay even more than the base price

[somber harbor]

nah like adjust the prices daily/weekly

[flat sandal]

then plus money for individual hunter

[median zephyr]

adjust it to what though? we gotta make all the long ammo like over 1k? it can only get so expensive

[flat sandal]

would be interesting to see where prices would end up

it would autobalance though

[somber harbor]

like they updated the backend to adjust stuff without the need for a patch but they do nothing that makes it worth upgrading

[dreamy lotus]

GUYS HEAR ME OUT MAN, we just got the unlockable tier versions of hunters but my favorite variant isnt even added to the game can we please push this out man i need this i was geeking out abt this update like crazy for weeks

[median zephyr]

balancing by price is bad, it should be a last resort, like lebel being cheaper then mosin, but just going "this is the best make it cost an arm and a leg" is lazy

[flat sandal]

only if you tell us which one it is^^

[somber harbor]

balancing by price would genuinely work if they just forced people to lose money though

[flat sandal]

only because it's not fair because ppl have so vastly different amount of money

[somber harbor]

like the hoards exist, people have over like 300k

they should not be able to attain that

[median zephyr]

its lazy no matter if it works or not, if someone can only play the busted thing sometimes, it doesnt make it any less busted

balance the busted thing, then who cares if its always

[flat sandal]

so what do you think about the idea that you start every hunter with the same amount of money and have to earn your stuff

[somber harbor]

the issue is you can only balance a thing so much before it becomes not worth bringing

like the crown I find to be inconsistent

[dreamy lotus]

these 2 man i legit saved whole arsenals of these from soul survivor just to main

[somber harbor]

so I never use it

[dreamy lotus]

just those 2 is all i wanted in the update

[median zephyr]

i think the idea of money in the game is fine, but some things need to be toned down, bc with this system, someone who lives longer is more likely to live, so youll be stuck with garbage, and theyll have the busted stuff

[flat sandal]

yeah you have to claw your way up

but the "bad" stuff is still competetive tbh

I run it all the time

[median zephyr]

it is, but you were just complaining about power creep

this would make power creep so much worse

[flat sandal]

nah, I don't follow there

probs still different interpretations of power creep 😄

[median zephyr]

if players are stuck with the worse weapons, and the people who live have the busted stuff, how is that now making power creep much much worse in game

not*

[flat sandal]

aww man. Suggest it and I upvote 😄

[flat sandal]

I'm not mad about power variation, just the average going up over time

[median zephyr]

so youre just mad at the idea of power creep, not the effects it has in game

fair enough

[flat sandal]

I struggle to explain it

but no 😄

anyway, gonna play some rounds^^

[long dew]

Another day of VOIP being broken?

[cold umbra]

weekly challenges suck. change back to the old way. random. This everyone has the same challenge it's bland, everyone is running the same weapons. no variety. Killing teams left and right whom are armed with carbines.

[flat sandal]

same issue

[vague basalt]

Does anyone know what the number in the top right in the red circle is about?

[vague basalt]

I like that the challenges are the same because if you have friends you are all working together. Having items that you cannot do in Quick Play is very annoying. Some of the specific guns should just be renamed "Unicorn" and balloons/bear which are not even in QP ever, is disappointing.

[crystal plume]

@paper belfry That would honestly make the trait useless since most people swap to their secondary for a followup shot after landing a hit as it's still faster than even reloading with the fast fingers trait

There would be basically no point in having the extra rounds loaded if they didn't stay after swapping

[mint pollen]

Anyone know why u have to be able to kiss someone on the mouth to be in range to hit someone with a railroad hammer?

That weapon feels way too off

[flat sandal]

@pseudo stream #game-ideas message there are so many skins that I like for variants of weapons I play, that I don't play. Would be nice and bump the value of skins quite a bit and the now useless iron sight skins I have of weapons with melee attachment would be useful again.

wait, no lore? what's up with that stone then?

[little jackal]

I really wish they would implement this soon. It would only help to foster ongoing teamplay in a game session.

[lean estuary]

That’s it. Magic stone

Thanks @hybrid forum for taking the time to write out a reasonable suggestion covering much of the BS #game-ideas message

[prime patrol]

Honestly I can't wait for the event to be over. Its insane how you can have 3 different squads who have never interacted with each other all have darksight. The amount of matches I have had where one team got a roaming bounty, one team got the Circus Bounty, and another got the actual bounty is insane. Game was a lot better when Dark sight wasn't something that could be obtained easily within 5 minutes of the match

[median zephyr]

yea, its the worst patch theyve ever done imo, i wouldve had more fun with no event

[unborn dagger]

Just saying... a no event mode would be heaven rn

[median zephyr]

the thing is we shouldnt need a no event mode, they should be balanced and fun, and when theyre not they should be tweaked mid event, but were in a perfect storm of the worst decisions ever, refusing to balance stuff, and forcing it on everyone

but if there was a no event mode, id be in there 24/7

[carmine thistle]

@median zephyr sounds like you died a lot for awhile... hahaha hunt is fun if you are the one killing and irritating when you are the one being hunted. KDA was requested wayback for this game, yet it is the one tha destroys the "fun" part of it. They should introduce a Monthly Reset.

[median zephyr]

No I actually am doing well, its just not fun, it's not winning or losing, it's "was what I vsd fun to fight"

[carmine thistle]

which mode are you playing?

[median zephyr]

Mostly bounty hunt, a little bounty clash

[carmine thistle]

dont you like the bounty clash

[median zephyr]

Depends what you mean

[carmine thistle]

it is never boring

but it is irritating again if you are being hunted

[median zephyr]

I've had people sit around and do nothing in bounty clash, that's not true

Afraid to push a solo with no giga close range weapon, or traps, they may not sweat as hard, but they still sweat

[carmine thistle]

maybe you need to apply pressure or have something that can irritate the one camping

in 15 minutes all will die

bounty clash is fun. and not boring. if they can just somehow add 2 more teams in the bounty hunt that will be awesome

[grave iris]

Are the new additions from the event are present in Soul Survivor as well?
If not, playing the game mode might provide an experience similar to the game without an event.

[carmine thistle]

team based soul survivor as well will be good. but whatever is good, crytek just won't do it

they still think the game is suspense where actually past 500 hours it is not. 4 teams of 3 is predictable.

[median zephyr]

All I can do for this is bring some type of spam to just wallbang, or beetles or something, its not about winning its about fun, and bounty clash I don't enjoy as much as bounty hunt

[carmine thistle]

what is fun to you?

[median zephyr]

Most aren't present actually, I just enjoy bounty hunt, but I may start playing soul survivor

But it almost feels at that point, is it even worth it to play hunt

[median zephyr]

No singular explanation or factor can explain fun, but I know anyone sitting still in a boss lair for an extended period of time isn't

[carmine thistle]

the fact that you say it means your still playing it. i think burn out. or died so many times recently hahaha without a vengeance.

there is nothing like hunt out there

atleast for now

you should make it a mission, if you hate players that camp, to open the door with explosive ammos, dynamites. thats is the most uneasy thing for a camper

[median zephyr]

For now yes, doesnt mean it is a good update, and no like I said I'm not dying a lot, and even if I was I usually say "dang" as apposed to "this update sucks" and good campers don't care if you blow open doors, may take out their trap but they're behind a corner with a shotgun anyway

[carmine thistle]

its actually a good update IMO. the perks, remote trigger to open doors/windows distrurb crows(this probably you should do)

[median zephyr]

I'm happy you like it! Please enjoy

[carmine thistle]

they shoudn't remove this circus in town thing after update. it adds something in the midddle before clash or a point of clash area.

[median zephyr]

And yes poltergeist is the perk I've been taking, it's not good though

[viral moth]

I think all of the content is super cool but I really dont like how the shredder is exclusive to the event. I think it would be so much better if it was rebalanced and then added to the standard weapon roster.

[carmine thistle]

so what is Good in hunt? my assessment is that you are burned out. things don't go the way you want it to be. you are killed before your vision of Fun is accomplished. You are prey to the hunter. hahahaha I know the feeling.

[median zephyr]

Your assessment lacks any analysis or details, but you can think whatever you want!

[carmine thistle]

lol but you can't even define Fun. but you can medidate on it. maybe it is you who needs some break. or change tactic.
usually, once your are fed up, you quit without saying. anything if you are still here, its just rest that you need.

[delicate wind]

new servers are hit or miss event is 🔥

[lean estuary]

“lol but you can’t even define Fun. but you can medidate on it…”

[carmine thistle]

"prey"

[median zephyr]

no, fun doesnt have a "definition" its not like "if i hit 2 headshots i had fun" and im still here because i love the game and hate to see the direction its going, if you only care about winning thats fine, but other people arent like that

[lean estuary]

They should remove the circus, “Vibe Terrorism” is the new term

[carmine thistle]

its probably as simple as the game title... hunt.. being a hunter is fun, geing hunted sucks. lol

[carmine thistle]

you died a lot in the "circus in town" area?

[carmine thistle]

they shoudn't IMO

[median zephyr]

no, not at all, however i can tell your brain can only think "if not having fun, must be dying" no matter what i say this will never change, so im gonna stop responding to this in good faith, enjoy the event "hunter"

[carmine thistle]

sure.. hope you transform from Prey to hunter..it is more fun that way.
maybe you have to let go of looting after all players are out.

[viral moth]

Who thought the current shredder was a good idea? Its beyond fucking busted

[unborn dagger]

The devs that have no idea what hunt is

[hybrid forum]

Someone had to do it, crytek has to know we're displeased with it

[unborn dagger]

This is really something we really need to start screaming at Crytek about. Especially if they're doing a stream. Every time it's like we're talking to a brickwall about this shit.

[flat sandal]

screaming ones opinion isn't really the way to go imo

is crackshot and the shredder a mojor problem in 6* lobbies or something?

or lvering and dualies for that matter?

don't get me wrong, I'm also for the general sentiment. I just don't see those issues myself at all tbh

@dreamy lotus

look what I found

[hybrid forum]

All of my recent deaths are either from shredder, or levering/dualies spam from 30+ meters, so yes

[flat sandal]

in 6*?

in 4-5 it is business as usual for me, had a couple of fights against shredder but without death

[carmine thistle]

i killed a shredder user using sparks and stole the shredder.

[hybrid forum]

@eternal idol just because it has a hunt logo doesn't mean it's official. It's a fan art

[grizzled harbor]

If im on xbox how do i play with ps

[white plover]

@dim meadow if you hit the action button while in your arsenal you should be able to filter out contraband but I’ll have to double check when I can

@deep bramble iirc the reason subsonic ammo is quieter is due to the decreased amount of gunpowder resulting in a slower MV whereas FMJ has the usual amount of gunpowder so same noise

[dim meadow]

Like the first interact will show only contraband then the second interact will hide all? Because it hasn't done that with any of the filters

[white plover]

I could be wrong I’ll have to double check, I could just be thinking of the turning on prioritize contraband for loadouts

[hybrid forum]

That's the neat part, you dont

You can encounter ps players in your matches, but you cant queue up with them

[white plover]

@flat sandal your post on #game-ideas has been removed due to not being an idea for the game really

[hybrid forum]

It's a game so not everything will work in real life, but sub sonic ammo is quieter because it doesn't break the sound barrier (340 meters per second). If hunt was realistic, most revolvers would already be sub sonic (Scottfield, nagant, etc), and especially fmj revolvers. Also fmj having lesser velocity could be because the metal jacket adds to the mass, therefore lowers the velocity

Also despite being named sub sonic ammunition, it doesn't make guns sub sonic

If you put this ammo on a krag it's still above 340 iirc

[karmic stag]

any chance we could just bring back the old UI as an option for people? This new UI is just so utterly awful and atrociously built, it completely baffles me why Crytek have so little respect for themselves by allowing this to remain in the production build of the game

[flat sandal]

aww, I didn't even get to see the result

[median zephyr]

we appreciate it, and seeing as its heavily upvoted, it makes me happy

[median zephyr]

it doesnt matter how much its seen, its unfun, and badly designed, i see almost no nitros, but its still unfun, i do however see a couple shredders

[hybrid forum]

I was half expecting to be split with upvotes and downvotes, considering how much toxic positivity this community has

[median zephyr]

i see so many people say how much the update, so i was suprised too, its not so much toxic positivity, but some people balance for vibes, (people who like night, the shredder etc) and other balance for balance/fun (the people who dislike things like that) so i was pleasantly suprised

[deep bramble]

There are 2 main things that contribute to a firearms audibility, the explosive release of gasses from the muzzle (which is counteracted by a number of baffles in the suppressor), and the audible crack that happens the moment the bullet exceeds the sound barrier (which is counteacted by loading the cartridge so light that it never exceeds the sound barrier)

Hunt doesnt simulate the sound of the "crack" too well on much other than spitzer ammo, but the way they've implemented subsonic ammo implies: slower ammo=quieter shot, which falls short for FMJ ammo.

[rustic timber]

These last two days have been weird. I see the cyclone and silent krag. But the schredder and chu ku nun... Nope.. Why ain't they been used right now? Am I just having bad luck in my matches? Or good luck, depending on if you hate shredd and chu ku.

[white plover]

@quartz owl your post in #game-ideas has been removed due to not being a game idea really. Feel free to use the thumbs up emoji for ideas you agree with 👍

[feral timber]

Genuinely WHO EVER fucking decided to have the "Leave Party" button replace the place of the "Change Hunter" button on the lobby screen needs to be fucking dragged out into the street and shot like the fucking dog they are.

[flat sandal]

I think it's fun most of the times so far. you can hear when someone has it. everyone is aware. I feel like that helps. Sorry but I just didnt have ANY bad experiences so far.

probably got killed more by every singel other weapon since it's been released

still when I hgear it it's kinda like, OH SHIT

[rustic timber]

I gotta warn you. If this guy got everything he finds unfun removed from the game. The game would be around 52 mb large in size. The fact that he stays is truly loyalty at its finest. Their is something he deeply loves with the matches. But most he talks about is nostalgia fantasy of the good ol days when we apperantly where slow fighting, and how the game now is a trip to spam-a-lot. However, these events is a chance to try out new and wild stuff. Shake it up a bit. If they sometimes missteps, then that is fine.. I am up for a bit of testing new ideas, and hopefully land in a more interactable enviroment.

[flat sandal]

I think the event is really good. Did just get killed by the shredder though^^

[rustic timber]

Lucky you. I wanna fight it more. Last two days, haven't meet one,

[flat sandal]

I just don't get it. Sometimes I think I'm taking crazy pills here. I simply don't have any of these big issues

yeah same really

that's the thing, it's pretty rare

is it homeing though? ppl claim that but never confirm it.

so I'm not sure if some ppl just parrot it back

[rustic timber]

Seems odd to me. People have been missing me a lot with the schredder. But the frag one goes of in proximity to a player. Perhaps that feels like homing.

[flat sandal]

what are you on about, toxic positivity?

where is that at?

[rustic timber]

I think these discord guys here became a bit conservative with the game as the years passed. They keep talking about a game where no spammy weapons existed. Even do, back in 2017, the dolch, and a super buffed avtomat was the trailer footage for this game. Which absolutely was reflected in the game aswell. The best players had dolch, and avto and nitro. The rest that was scared to lose money had winfield c, and died in a map that was 50 % more water, with less cover then it is today. Change can be very good. Have no doubt about that.

[hybrid forum]

"uhh, people are complaining about the game, they should enjoy it as it is or quit"

"I see no problems, I enjoy hunt so why don't you"

[flat sandal]

I literelly never see anyone write anything like that here ever at all

[hybrid forum]

This discord was torn between complainers and glazers during the ghostface fiasco

[flat sandal]

it more like I'm supposed to hate stuff

[hybrid forum]

And the discourse pops up once in a while

It's the most visible on reddit, both sides are at each other's throats

[flat sandal]

that's jsut having different opinions, trouble is, the game can only go in one direction

[flat sandal]

yeah it feels pretty conservative often times

can't tell you how often got shouted down for wanting to talk about bold change^^

[hybrid forum]

Imho the glory days of hunt were in 2021. Before that we had no inertia, nagant firing faster than current officer, and the game was in a limbo state of wanting to be slow paced but being a twitch shooter anyways. Then the game slowed down in 2021, but now it goes back to spam, but while having stark differences between non spammy and spammy shit. Also I heavily dislike the buffs levering received, and the whole concept of revive bolt

[hybrid forum]

To be fair I'm often optimistic about changes in hunt. I was laughing when people said that beetle would kill hunt

Or Regen shot

Or any other random change

But this time it's different

[rustic timber]

I can't remember anytime this group didn't have fights for the strangest reasons. Back in the day, there was a spark animation bug, that could be used to fire it faster. It got fixed, and this community argued that was unfair to the veteran players, that spent so much time in the game, to learn stuff like that. Why could they just not be rewarded for their attention to details.

[flat sandal]

yeah so we are on one side or the othr sometimes

beeing gloomy like that is always cringe though

[hybrid forum]

I don't think veterans complaining about fixing a bug is comparable to a good chunk of community complaining about game losing its identity

At this point I don't even mean balance

They literally took out lore and don't want to add it back

The narrative director of hunt left

And the OGs behind hunt's story are gone too

[flat sandal]

there is a "problem" with that I think, for me personally it has a long time ago with all these waako skins but I axcept it. A lot of ppl seem to like it

but all the good stuff that has been added too

[rustic timber]

Before that we had quickswap that made you fire an uppercut with 0.2 seconds firerate. We had a dolch that ruled the world. And avtomat that could be used for sniping. No hs limit, so silenced nagant was used to snipe people... great times.

[hybrid forum]

That's why I'm saying that the times of EA weren't perfect, and that 2021 was peak

Because it lived up to the idea of hunt

[flat sandal]

tbh ppl don't even play the spammy stuff much, do they?

how can it break the game?

[hybrid forum]

Right now levering Winfield with crackshot is like an assault rifle from cod

Dead accurate and spammy

[flat sandal]

I find shotguns waaay worse and I will die on that hill 😄

[hybrid forum]

And the saw blade launcher is literally better than mosin at any ranges except sniping

• you can spam around corners without seeing people and blow them up

[flat sandal]

it just another thing I dont come accross for some reason then

[hybrid forum]

I wish I was playing on your servers

All of my recent deaths are either from Winfield levering / dual wielding from 30+ meters or shredder shenanigans

[flat sandal]

like really?

[hybrid forum]

Except for that one time my friend accidentally blew me up while fighting the bear

Otherwise every death is that

[flat sandal]

not saying it's not true. I just find it hard to believe

you are sceletor after all^^

[rustic timber]

Here the balance issue as I see it. Every gun has to work a bit on every distance (long, close and medium). Otherwise we get 2019 again... shotguns inside, rifles outside, sniper further away.. All waiting an hour for stuff to happend. No one wanted to meet each other.

[flat sandal]

what MMR?

[hybrid forum]

Also I've been only playing 6 hours of this event, so maybe I didn't get to see a normal death yet

[hybrid forum]

5*

[rustic timber]

6* here.

[hybrid forum]

One of their best changes is making shotguns 2 tap at outside-1tap ranges

[flat sandal]

cause I sucked so hard today, I'm down to 3 atm^^

[hybrid forum]

Before the pellets disappeared after 12 meters

[rustic timber]

True.. So we have the shotguns moving. What we need now is the rifles to run indoors aswell.

[hybrid forum]

Though a gun shouldn't outshine other guns at 80% of the ranges. If you learn the drop you can still snipe with shredder (hornet did a 120 meter snipe with it recently)

[flat sandal]

there was tons and tons of bs, now a lot is back because the game hasnt fully arrived in the engine yet. btw, I dont notice a big difference with the 75ms thing. do you?

[hybrid forum]

If we put shredder on a gun tier list it would be S, and the second most powerful gun would be B in comparison

That's how good it is

[rustic timber]

It happends, specially with teammates having revive bolt and you as their response in fights.

[hybrid forum]

I'm certainly getting a lot less trades in cqc scenarios, but rarely I'm getting the ghost bullets because of latency

[rustic timber]

Maybe with the frag shot version. But the regular one.. I don't know. People are missing a lot with it.

[hybrid forum]

But very rarely

[flat sandal]

they claimed bullets wouldnt disappear

[hybrid forum]

Remember that explosions don't experience falloff. 3 hits at any range means a kill

[hybrid forum]

Then maybe it's just me I guess

[rustic timber]

I have less trades aswell. But then again.. I am a centennial fmj + spitfire fmj guy. Trade didn't happend that often to begin with.

[flat sandal]

yeah same. I wonder if ppl play with high ping less often now

[median zephyr]

if it makes you happy im glad, and yes people arent using it much, esp lower down, but its busted and the lowest skill weapon ever added

[rustic timber]

Haven't faced the frag version in fights yet. It is annoying.. I see it on youtube. Never meets it. No first hand experience. :/

[flat sandal]

I think ppls heads just blew up when they saw ratchas video and there is so much complain inertia due to the messed up upgrade still^^

[hybrid forum]

You saw that rachta video about it where he runs explosive shredder in a trio? I had several experiences like that. Guys just shot at my general direction, at the windows, holes in the roof, doors, and I died in seconds. There is no way to fight back against a semi auto 1 hit kill, ricocheting, homing and exploding gun

[rustic timber]

I was there when the bow was declared the ruiner of this game, for it being OP. It has been buffed three time sense that declaration. This commumity is a beware-type of gang,

[flat sandal]

I think it could use a slight nerf but I won't be mad if the event is like that all the way

[hybrid forum]

But fragbow is like a coughing baby compared to the hydrogen bomb that is the shredder

And tbh the bow wasn't strong

[rustic timber]

Seen the flick.. It seems op. I think I have heard fights going on with it. But the ammo pool might be small, for I meet often a guy just using his sidearm when I arrive.

[hybrid forum]

Even at release

[median zephyr]

the community calls things op when they see it a lot, most mid mmr players consider "i see this and die to it must be op"

[hybrid forum]

If a trio runs 3 ammo boxes then it's no problem

[median zephyr]

however this thing IS op, and unfun, and people arent seeing it, so its not mid mmr players just whining

[hybrid forum]

And then they undeservedly nerfed the bow

[median zephyr]

bc crytek just listens to people that whine, its like how they buffed the krag

[rustic timber]

Amen to that brother!

[flat sandal]

I tried stocking ammo for it up in the shooting range, it didnt work

thought it was intentional

[median zephyr]

no its bugged in the range

[flat sandal]

I see

[median zephyr]

either way, its low skill at best, and completely busted at worst

[flat sandal]

that could be an appropriate nerf

[hybrid forum]

Crytek in general just doesn't play the game and instead buffs based on usage statistics. Who in their right mind would make specter as fast as slate? Or buff the cyclone again? Both arent used as often because they're hard to use, but good nonetheless.

[flat sandal]

the way I see it, it cant be busted if you encounter it quite rarely. it works like intended then

[hybrid forum]

When they want to add a strong weapon to bridge the gap between low skill players and high skill players, they don't realize that 6 stars can also get their hands on it

[median zephyr]

they used to do so good on patches though, usually with a few stinkers (like the throwing knife buff) but this patch is the worst theyve ever done

[hybrid forum]

Also what the fuck have they done to the uppercut

[median zephyr]

i dont think they care, if its balanced for mid mmr, the "vibes" based players will giggle at spamming and bein a cowboy, so if its busted with good players, whatever

[median zephyr]

mustve been destroying mid mmr :)

[flat sandal]

I came to think that it's an experiment

[hybrid forum]

I'd like if these experiments were short, not damn 2 months long

[rustic timber]

I am one that likes the throwing knife buff do. I want it to be the fast silent pve weapon. The spear the long range throwing weapon... and the thowing axe the hard hitting weapon, 1/3 on the way for now.

[flat sandal]

possibly to see if we can get a slower more methodical game back 😄

[hybrid forum]

I'd be fine with this broken shredder if we only had it for a week or 2

[median zephyr]

theyre stuck in their old ways, they made mosin giga expensive, when krag is better, they made dolch cheaper, once uppercut was balanced, they have no fucking idea what theyre doing

[flat sandal]

but don't forget that they have to balance for every skill level in a one size fits all manner

[rustic timber]

I honestly think variation is the key here to break this. Every gun with a define role. A role players can find, and use the advantage that their style can bring to it.

[flat sandal]

that is the case I think, sort of

[median zephyr]

mid mmr players are fine no matter how things are, thats why theyve always been ok with the dolch and etc, so they need to make it not unfun or busted at the top, the mid players are happy running around and cowboy shooting

[flat sandal]

a lot comes down to map design for balacing then

[flat sandal]

tbh I'm not sure what they are thinkig with the dolch. it should just get the uppercut treatment for one patch to see what happens

[median zephyr]

they wont nerf the dolch more, its their baby and they want its pickrate to go up

[flat sandal]

it's been up there for long enough

[median zephyr]

its fine at mid mmr so its ok :)

[flat sandal]

yeah it should go for a bit. mid MMR doesnt need "access" to everything

[rustic timber]

6 stars like cowboy action too nerding. I am a six star and eccentric in my style. I feel good if it is a lever action rifle, and a revolver. Only uses ranger, centenniel or mako, with either conversion pistol, pax or schofield. That is it.. and it works fine for me.

[flat sandal]

I dont watch streams much but it's also what I see there. But ppl told me so many times that all they see is mosin dolch

[rustic timber]

It is a lot of that aswell.. many of them are swimming in money.

[flat sandal]

I would probably just trust the ppl with all the data, we are basically blind telling the seeing what things look like^^

[flat sandal]

so many problems^^

[rustic timber]

Ofcourse... it is the mosin and dolch we remember getting killed by. Players are emotional. Trusting us completely would be an issue.

[flat sandal]

it gets worse as well when ppl are as angry as they are atm

[rustic timber]

Love and hate goes hand in hand.

[flat sandal]

amen

I honestly think it would get better if hunters could live longer and level slower or longer

[rustic timber]

They complain out of a love to this game. And the hope that they will be heard. Crytek lisens a lot. Which makes it more dissappointing when what they want, is ignored,..

[flat sandal]

if you had a chance to get them back but ppl here hate that so much

[rustic timber]

I like the perma death. Adds to the atmosphere of harsh reality.

Now with us getting 10 trait points to begin with, it is even better for variation.

[flat sandal]

absolutely, but we could live longer. I#m less mad when I have death cheat. not that it is the only solution

my ideas are really out there tbh

[rustic timber]

I fear it would loose the death fright if we didn't loose the hunter. But death cheat was very popular during the other events.

[flat sandal]

I think the death fright is almost gone since we have most we need from the start. If you would upgrade for longer but could get the hunter back until you fuck up completely, I think it would actually be more frightening again.

but I would have to spell out all my thoughts to explain that^^

[rustic timber]

I think making the ai more scarier is key there. I would like mmr scaling in ai's damage. We six stars could meet grunts that two hits you. We would be fine, and have a slower pace awell.

That bear proves they could do the world a bit more frightning if they want. xD

[flat sandal]

yeah I was thinking about harder contracts basically. Or three tiers or so and based on MMR you are excluded from the easier ones

it splits the player base but in a way it's split already

afk

one more round

[lean estuary]

The character skins started to take a weird turn in 2022…which skins are wacko?

[flat sandal]

If you ask me most of the ones that arent cowboys or maybe voodoo ppl or jsut sort of nomal ppl. The ones where you wouldn't say " what the hell are you wearing your weirdo"

[alpine sphinx]

The new battle pass skins

Having a clown running around 3 months from now is gonna be stupid

[steel coral]

Is it impossible for this company to fix their god forsaken servers? This is the worst spaghetti coding unstable laggy bullsh*t i've ever had to play on.

[lapis raft]

I can't buy the battle pass 🤣 the button is unresponsive

Hunt, take my money, geez

[latent geyser]

Hold space.

[native prawn]

No bountyclash for me anymore. Just shredders all around. What a dumb idea.

[neon basalt]

im getting this with a 4080, doesnt matter if i set: low-mid-high-super high settings...low fps fest everywhere plus the lag you mentioned

[foggy herald]

so bounty clash theres no more 5 minutes after the bounty has been extracted? wtf?!?

[foggy herald]

same thing with purchasing hunters, cant do it

[vagrant plank]

why cant i put steam clips into bug report?

imma put this here cuz it wont let me put in in bug reports, but this needs to be seen

[steel coral]

Your gpu has nothing to do with it, it’s their servers

[lean estuary]

Only 90 seconds I think

[alpine sphinx]

Probably because people would camp on the outskirts with witness and vulture and once bounty extracts just loot everyone and get like 1.5k plus guns

[spice trout]

Hey is there any way to rebind the action for exploding the beetle?

[slow rampart]

For the entire duration of this update I have been unable to hear other people’s voice chat despite the icon for chat being used showing up over their names, and the fact that I had explained my situation to them before the match and they typed in the text box that they understood. I’ve tried tweaking my settings but nothing works, and as of today the text chat box no longer displays to me what my teammates have said and just sits there as a translucent rectangle. This is fucking unacceptable in a teamwork game and an absolutely catastrophic bug.

[queen jungle]

Anyone else experiencing server issues in EU?

[noble depot]

Title: Beetle rebind
Description: We need a possible rebind for the beetle explosion! On F you can't properly steer the beetle while exploding.

Title: Revive Bolts nerf
Description: On a hit with a revive bolt, play a 1 ~ 2 second sound before the revived person gets up. A slightly magical sounding inhale or exhale would fit.
So the revive is slightly delayed and you have the chance to hear the revive even if there is some noise, so the revive is brought closer to the necro and normal revive.

[carmine needle]

Did you mean to put these in #game-ideas ?

[noble depot]

hm. I don't know for me it was more like feedback xD But when you say it is more fitting there...

[carmine needle]

Mostly assumed you meant it to be in either Feedback or ideas, since you set it up for those channels

[noble depot]

I just posted it here as well so one could talk about it.

[flat sandal]

every now and then, yesterday a server had a stroke for 5 minutes and I tried to rubberband back to extract

[noble depot]

The revive beetle is interesting. I first thought it should have a small explosion radius like the fire beetle but I think it would be so weak that you can just give it the "normal" explosion radius.
You can hear the beetle, see the explosion. And even if it gets the revive through the enemy gets alarmed so even if they don't guard the revived person, they would most likely be able to kill him again. I think the beetle should be cheaper than the normal beetle and should be able to be found in the wild. Consumable slots are highly contested so I don't think it is op or even strong. Much better balanced than the current revive bolts. Ah and make it a blue glowing beetle ! :D

[carmine needle]

Yep

I dont want to nerf it into pointlessness

but i think its a pretty happy medium from the bolts

[noble depot]

Yeah. But I also think with just a bit of tweaking the revive bolts could be much less obnoxious. For me the problem that it is INSTANT revive on hit. And when there is just a bit of noise you can't hear him stand up.
Necro and normal revive makes a lot of sound , and revive bolts don't. So when they give it just a 1 to a maximum of 2 second delay while playing a sound that peaks in loudness the moment he stands up I think revive bolts would be fine.

[carmine needle]

I think there are plenty of ways to do it- limit the number of bolts you get to 1-1, (2 total), make it more audible (hunter grunts on the impact or something)

or remove it entirely but i doubt that is going to happen

[noble depot]

yeah. I hope they will do something about the revive bolts just anything. :'D Anyway revive beetle is a very cool idea.
And please give me a way to rebind the beetle explosion :( F is really a bad place for it.

[carmine needle]

I'd say remove the explo unless you make it so it can revive more than 1

you'd have to actually hit your player with it

revive wasp

[noble depot]

I mean again with revive bolts... I have seen vids where someone get revived so fast the opponent wouldn't even have time to repeat his Mosin that's just stupid.

You are up again before the fall down animation has played... 🤷‍♂️

[rustic timber]

I have a bug. I can't remove charms from guns.. Anyone know a solution?

[astral socket]

Is this shit with bows and OP traits gonna get hotfixed, or are we going to play Hunt Medieval Showdown for next 60 days?

[unborn dagger]

The latter.

They do not care to balance anything mid event

[fringe hollow]

Hunt players who stopped playing the game a few years back wouldn't recognize the game today. It's a complete shit show of broken mechanics, terrible matchmaking, garbage ranking systems, objectively bad UI and bugs/glitches/crashes galore.

[unborn dagger]

Just sad seeing the state it's in. Really miss old hunt

[crimson steeple]

HELP PLEASE my voip to ALL isnt working its keyyin up at the bottom for me but they cant hear me, BUT if i voip to team they hear me any ideas???????

[astral socket]

I like the game a lot, been 6 star since forever, but like, they keep releasing mechanics that none tested. Every game I play it is Crossy/Bow lobby

[fringe hollow]

I totally agree. It's in the worst state that I've seen it. Crytek is trying, I have to believe that. But it's simply not able to get the game in a solid state. With every "fix" 10 more things break or go wrong. They're too small a team to keep up.

[fringe hollow]

Yup that's the new meta with the new event traits. Unavoidable.

[unborn dagger]

Why is it crossbow btw? Is it because of crackshot or the new explosive bullshit

[median zephyr]

if people wanna read #feedback message and give me any feedback id love to hear it! im gonna be gone for a bit but im sure people in here are happy theyre doing a balance patch mid event!

[rigid heath]

Title: Crossplay invite system
Description: Its simple really. You dont need an in game friends system. Instead give every lobby a random generated code and then xbox players can tell there playstation friends (vice versa) the code and boom you can join eachother.

[icy pike]

Is it correct, that team voice chat only works, if you are alive?

[flat sandal]

do we know the exact range of dark sight boost and the light version where the boarder is just orange?

is it the same range?

[flat sandal]

nope

dead or alive

[rotund obsidian]

150m and 75m

[grave iris]

I'm very glad an upcoming balance change is coming.
Currently the Shredder's projectile is RIDICULOUSLY SLOW and half the time the homing bounce does NOT EVEN HIT the players!
And should I mention that EVEN a bow one shots further and it's a medium slot.
What a joke of a weapon. Currently, I rather use a Nagant Silencer (small slot!) with subsonic rounds. It's HV is still more than 2X of that garbage Shredder. AND you can fan it as well (faster!).
Oh and the Nagant Silencer is COMPLETELY silent, meanwhile the Shredder is a buzzing piece of crap that you can hear from miles away!
Who in their right mind would spend 5 of their hard earned points to get that junk, when you can unlock the Nagant Silencer and you can buy it ALL THE TIME for 32 (yes, subsonic rounds included!) Hunt Dollars.

!!!!DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THIS POST IS A JOKE!!!!!

[tardy rapids]

Wait wait you think the shredder is balanced?

@median zephyr Wdym steel bolts everthing else is fine but idk about the steel bolts that's nah too much

The steel bolts needed the buff

[rotund obsidian]

nah that clearly says its underpowered. buff shredder ong

[tardy rapids]

Aight he was being sarcastic thank god.

[flat sandal]

cheers. I only just really realised that we basically have that trait back that lets you know if ppl are near without a bounty

[hot vigil]

Steel Bolts are now just a strict upgrade.
Literally the the worst kind of design for custom ammo.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah idk wtf crytek was thinking. just another buff to a weapon that's designed to oneshot to add to the pile, i suppose

[hot vigil]

The wildest aspect is that they LITERALLY just nerfed HV so was less of a "strictly better" situation

[flat sandal]

UHHHHH, I wonder what it's gonna be. If they don't nerf the shredder somewhat, I'm not sure what's gonna happen. Perhaps the fire rate is even a bug or something, at least it doesn't really make mechanical sense^^

it's really nice and surprising that they have a fast response time and don't let it fester

[rotund obsidian]

"currently preparing" leaves it kinda vague though. we got the UI video like day two of the first 1896 event and didn't see most of those changes till months later

[flat sandal]

probably mid event

[tardy rapids]

Oh shit right my b

[hot vigil]

I mean... the million dollar brand deal "biggest event to date" is barely doing better than harvest of ghosts, think Crytek is at Defcon 1 atm.

[flat sandal]

they should get better at hot fixing though

[tardy rapids]

Yeah no they should nerf the damage on it but keep the trajectory

[hot vigil]

Yeah wouldn't mind that version.

[flat sandal]

yeah it's the engine upgrade still

it is what it is. Just gonna take time

wait, 140 for the recovery shot?

[hot vigil]

It is strong

[flat sandal]

yeah but the costs is the slot it takes in my books

[hot vigil]

Just another "meta loadout cost 400 in consumables alone" addition

[flat sandal]

it's hard to judge how strong it actually is. for sure stronger between events

and I wager in most matches the vitality shot comes in clutch more often

[unborn dagger]

I'm not expecting anything big considering it's only 3 or 4 days into the event but it is something

[hot vigil]

As someone who doesn't run big vitality anymore I can't agree with that statement.
Vitality shots can come clutch for sure, but often you can surefoot medkit away while a regen shot is running to more or less the same result.
So my "sweat meta" would be 2x Big Regen, 1x Restore, 1x Ammo box, tho that is kinda the wild card spot

[flat sandal]

that's a lot of shots

I usually take a vitality shot in the first match and ditch it later

[hot vigil]

Well, they have immense value

I do miss pre-regen shot hunt

Albiet long ammo was much better then too

[flat sandal]

I never use them, but I plan to try them one day

surefoot is actually a really good defensive perk, I think that's a good thing but I'm not sure^^

[hot vigil]

Another "didn't think it belong, yet here we are" trait for me

[flat sandal]

don't get me started on "crouch walk without making ANY NOISE"

that is the worst thing in the game imo

though I have to say it did get me a surprisingly low amount of times. I thought solos would be pushing into compounds left and right

I think soon I will finally get one of the native skins and try the bow solo, with fast noisless crouch walk

never played the bow after 1.3k h

[trail carbon]

I wanna go back to the days before custom ammo. Those were the days.

There was like a perfect year between when they nerfed quick swap and when custom ammo got added

Long ammo was definitely an issue then, but it always has been. If I could go back to then, I would in a heartbeat

[hot vigil]

Yeah, like, old hunt had issues, but they felt to be very easily solved with some numbers tweaking.
All my issues with Hunt now are intentional design decisions and that just makes the game not for me

[trail carbon]

Yeah

Looking forward to Hunger, it just got announced

But my hope for the future of hunt dwindles with each passing day

It makes me really sad actually

Hunt was like my favorite game for years

[unborn sandal]

Couldn’t agree more. Also I think fast fingers is a little strong currently. The Springfield is basically the new centennial dumdum

[hot vigil]

Same, I'm not playing this event which is the first one I've skipped consciously

[trail carbon]

I skipped the last one like halfway through, and the Post Malone (TM) event just puts a sour taste in my mouth. Even if he is a cool guy that likes hunt, it's still indicatative of the direction hunt is going

[median zephyr]

Custom ammo should be side grades, the steel bolts as of now are just strict upgrades, which is bad design, I'm ok with some buff, but not just a strict upgrade

[trail carbon]

A lot of custom ammo had had this issue since it's inception

[unborn sandal]

Not really

The only one I can think of that was a straight upgrade in most situations is nitro shredder

[hot vigil]

Yeah seeing weapons skins that have 14 "P.M." initials was the killer for me, like even if was the initials of a non-brand deal character, those skins are just bad

[trail carbon]

Slugs, FMJ, HV, DumDum, and some others

[median zephyr]

Maybe I'm shooting too high that's for sure, I just tried to find simple solutions to the biggest issues imo, but you may be right that it's not simple enough

[trail carbon]

I don't think it's asking too much. It is however, expecting too much.

[median zephyr]

This is something I haven't tested, but I thought this was possible, I just have no desire to test bc I'm planning on quitting, do you have the cycle time on anything?

[hot vigil]

Dum dum only really came to light with the medium ammo heavy bleed update tho.
But I agree, Slugs were busted on release and FMJ/HV quickly got figured out.

[trail carbon]

Oh, and spitzer

[median zephyr]

It's true, but I thought they'd learned with the 1896 update, nerfing hv and fmj to not be strict upgrades, but looks like they didn't

[hot vigil]

@median zephyr ^^

[median zephyr]

Maybe fair, I really really tried hard to make it just number changes, and to make it as easy as possible, but I should expect less

[trail carbon]

I was really hoping that 1896 was going to be a turning point for Hunt. But unfortunately, I don't think Fifield had pur best interests in mind.

[unborn sandal]

You should expect the bare minimum from crytek

[median zephyr]

Ty!

[unborn sandal]

They only care about money now

[median zephyr]

I feel like the bare minimum was not releasing this terrible update, but maybe I held some hope they'd fix at least a little bad stuff

[unborn sandal]

I realize making a profit is the goal of the company but they used to seem to have the community’s interests in mind

[trail carbon]

I really dislike that they pushed Dennis to the side and put Fifield in charge. I think Fifield is trying to turn this game into COD because COD makes a ridiculous amount of money

The UI literally looks like COD's verbatim

[unborn sandal]

I suspect all they’ll do is nerf shredder frag in some insignificant way and then fuck off till the end of the event

[median zephyr]

I weirdly enough saw so many good things with the update, like general compound philosophy, bullet drop for sniping, a lot of really good balance changes and stuff, but it feels like this update was done by a completely different dev team, idk who made the decisions but its terrible

[trail carbon]

Yep

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I really liked bullet drop and the new compound designs actually

But the other changes are just boneheaded

[trail carbon]

They literally hired David Fifield (A director from Activision who made decisions for COD) to make these choices. Fifield is the reason that COD looks like it does and you can play as Niki Minaj

[grave iris]

The Springfield's cycle time with Fast Fingers is the double of the Centennial with Iron Eye.
You have 4 faster shots with the Springfield and there is a lengthy animation to fill up your hand.
Centennial mag capacity is 10 rounds and you can lever it as well.

[median zephyr]

That'll be the nail in the coffin for me, this is their last chance to pull me back in

[hot vigil]

The insane buffs to all two slots is hurting for me, it made 90% of 1-slot pistol so awful to run now.

[trail carbon]

Yeah, definitely felt that

[median zephyr]

^this is also bad, I just tried to make it short and sweet

[hot vigil]

Worst thing is how stockless 2-slot rifles have less recoil than even a compact pistol

[median zephyr]

Idk how much power he has, but if hes the one who did this last update, itd add up

[trail carbon]

There's just so many issues I have with the game right now on top of the many many bugs

[trail carbon]

I mean, it's what they hired him for

[hot vigil]

Literally no reason to not at least not run a winnie vandal over any other 1-slot pistol in the game.
Dolch is Dolch ofc

[median zephyr]

You forgot revive bolts :)

[trail carbon]

Don't even get me started

[median zephyr]

But tbh, 2 slots SHOULD be stronger then 1 slots, but shouldn't be so close to 3 slots they're basically the same

[trail carbon]

My issue is they nerfed 1 slots too hard with bullet drop

[median zephyr]

Bc they cost a trait, its like how 3 slots should be better then 1 slots, bc you can only have one

[trail carbon]

Just bring 2 2 slots

[median zephyr]

100% obv besides dolch or revive bolts they can use some less drop

[hot vigil]

That is not a pistol :V

[median zephyr]

For sure, I'm just mentioning them bc were talking about busted 1 slots

Not trying to insult or anything, needed a hunt face

[hot vigil]

I slightly disagree, it should give you the fire power of 3-slot, but have the sway and recoil penalty.

[trail carbon]

My list of things I want are so big at this point it's basically just: "Remove 70% of the garbage from the past year" and give me back old night time

[median zephyr]

Def a very good thing to run rn, medium slots are often then same as 3 slots, besides a few

[median zephyr]

But then aren't the shotguns fine? they do this already

[median zephyr]

Theres been a lot of bad additions for sure, but they never remove stuff, we can dream though

[trail carbon]

I think the 2 slot shotguns shouldn't be reliable or effective. They all look like fallout guns and are cobbled together

[trail carbon]

They removed the flashlight for no reason

[hot vigil]

Issue is that a 2-slot shotgun is almost as good as a 3-slot shotgun.
Like 2-slot shotguns was in a fine position before the buffs, not too good, but it was an option if you wanted to CQC with your sniper 3-slot.
But now it is so good that the meta is mostly shotgun CQC, which in turns means pistols takes a hit too.

[median zephyr]

I think lore wise that makes sense, but making unreliable guns isn't good design, but they need a bit less range

[hot vigil]

Just needed to be old 2-shot shotguns

[trail carbon]

I don't mean possibility to jam or anything, I just mean less range and or damage

Like how they were

[grave iris]

You were able to blind people with the Electric Lamp in night time matches.
You were barely able to see the person in front of you with a turned on Electric Lamp.

[trail carbon]

There were things that needed buffs, and they certainly weren't it

[hot vigil]

I can live if 2-slot rifles got a slight sway and/or recoil buff, but the insane amount of spread reduction the vandal have now also makes it good enough to run as your "spam pistol" alternative

[median zephyr]

I disagree, the old 2 slot shotguns were really really bad, but they're too strong rn, they need less range for sure

[trail carbon]

Yeah, it was fun and useful, why was it removed?

[median zephyr]

Oh I 100% agree it needs to be less, it just makes sense, your 2 slot shotgun shouldn't be SO close to the 3 slot, that's game design 101

[grave iris]

The Electric Lamp being able to achieve it might not be healthy for the game from a balance perspective.

[median zephyr]

I had 0 issue seeing people ever, especially cqc when you're typically shotgunning anyway

[hot vigil]

Eh, they were the one where you could run some interesting custom ammo on them.
Slugs/Flechette for rival Handcannon, romero handcannon with buck/slugs/penny was fine too.
Issue was Specter handcannon was just bad and still is bc it gets a slower cycle speed than its 3-slot variant.

And well Clown & Cringe Handcannon is just bad new Hunt design, so can't comment much on that.

[median zephyr]

Custom ammo could've been good yea, but the buckshot was ass, and custom ammo reliance is still bad

And yes, gotta have the high tier weapons to entice new players :)

[median zephyr]

And don't tell me they forgot to buff the handcannon

Honestly good less work to undo, if they actually revert it

Also very random but the fact we all basically agree is something special, we almost never agree in here, I really didn't expect it

[hot vigil]

Think at this point, if we want the Hunt we want, Crytek needs to give us modding tools and private server hosting options.

[median zephyr]

If they can't even release a patch with no bugs and unfinished stuff, itd be a cold day in hell, I wish though

[hot vigil]

Well, balance talk have gone from "what change could make the game move in a healthier state" to "what needs to be be reverted to get back on the right track".

[median zephyr]

I suppose that's true, just really not used to everyone being so agreeable, that's all

Was a pleasant suprise

[trail carbon]

I'm just sad that I can't play the game I loved for years

Because this is not the same

It doesn't feel right. (When it doesn't crash or have 27 bugs at once)

[median zephyr]

Considering many people on here have quit/ are considering it, you're not alone

[trail carbon]

I uninstalled the other day

[unborn dagger]

We do still have fusees which does have the ability to blind players, but I really do want the lamp back and put on everyone's hunter

[grave iris]

There are a lot more options in cqc outside of a shotgun and not everybody having access\would like to use to a shotgun either.
Shotguns and other semi autos are already having a massive advantage against other slower firing, non-instakill weapons in close range.
The flashing effect made it significantly harder in close range to precisely hit a specific body part, especially the head.
The Electric Lamp's effect just further increased the strength of these weapons, because it made it harder for other weapons to land a precise, deadly hit (especially a headshot).

[median zephyr]

This patch was made by a completely new player who has no idea what made hunt fun, it's the worst one since launch

[trail carbon]

The only reason I'm still interacting in here is because I still have hope

[grave iris]

You were able to wield the flashing effect on you.

[trail carbon]

I dunno, I've never heard of anyone claiming the lamp was strong

[median zephyr]

Nah, every load out can fit a shotgun, fast firing weapon, and close range option nowadays, the lamp was bad it did not attribute to power creep