feedback-discussion

[hexed gulch]

i am blocked from using the skin i paid money for, and it unavailable ?

[next yarrow]

It's bugged since it was added to a different weapon progression tree, but the other weapons in that tree are part of the current battle pass. It will get fixed or if you just bought it you can reach out to crytek support and they'll probably refund you the BB, they did when I bought a skin by accident once.

[dusky tapir]

Slugs with the hipfire changes feel far more "fair" as an ammo type, seeing as they behave like a standard weapon now ( where moving and jumping decreases accuracy )

Buckshot becoming much better makes them much less grating as well IMO

[trail carbon]

I feel like the buckshot changes were needed without considering slugs, I just don't think thag slugs should be as good as they are. It's incredibly frustrating to play against

[radiant river]

buffing shotguns just encourages more stalemates

[next yarrow]

Nitro is in kind of a weird spot right now, I do think it deserved a nerf but I don't think deviation made sense for it. I'm fine with deviation on slugs, still is a range buff for them overall tbh.

[trail carbon]

I dunno, I think shotguns only being effective within 15 meters ecourages camping in a building with them. I still think they encourage that with the new changes, but whatever

[radiant river]

Nerfing their 1 shot distance but increasing the 2/3 tap range would've been better

[next yarrow]

Buckshot wasn't buffed that much outside of handcannons tbh. The game just lies to you less.

The only shotguns that got a significant 1 tap range increase where the handcannons, and 2 slot rifles got a similar buff. It's pretty easy to construct a loadout that lets you compete at range while you have a shotgun now tbh

[somber ermine]

performance on this is genuinely fucking shocking

so so bad

[unborn sandal]

@lucid bear bear traps got their damage buffed, it’s not a bug

[river zephyr]

#game-ideas message would kill for a silenced bornheim carbine variant

[queen jungle]

@hushed sage the thing in charge of matchmaking is called "Servers" and if they fired those there would be no game

[hushed sage]

yeah not quite what im talking bout bud, use that lil noggin of yours and think, matchmaking in this game has always been bad, 6 stars in 3 star lobbies, you know what i meant

[queen jungle]

I didn't insult you, you don't need to insult me.

But yes it's been bad

Id like to just assume it's because there aren't enough 6 stars to fill lobbies. Only the top of the top try for 6 stars. I'm 5 stars and I don't even wanna be here.

The MMR system in any game has always been broken, Preds in new players lobbies in Apex, don't get me started on Fortnite, and "Max prestige alpha gamers" on call of duty plagues everyone. This isn't new to hunt.

[hushed sage]

my bad then, your comment seemed to be coming off snarky. i apologize. Its not new to Hunt at all, just a lot more punishing, stopping many of my friends from wanting to play

[queen jungle]

MMR is a system that on paper, seems great but in practice no one knows how to do it. Games like XDefiant claim they're MMR free "For the experience" but it's Ubisoft. Everyone knows they don't wanna deal with the hassle they already get on Siege.

In reality it's so simple but with how For Honor does it it makes it very clear how these systems work. When you start matchmaking you have a time frame where you are being matched with your own people, the longer that goes on they expand that search wider and wider until eventually you've got one melting pot of a match.

[stark fulcrum]

I'll preface by saying I play all ranges. That said, the flip side of what you're saying is the meta outside of the interior of a building is by and far long ammo. Camping can happen in a compound or on a cliff or bush. Its situational. If you're playing a rifle play like you're using a rifle. Shotgun slugs doing slug things aren't any more op than Spitzer doing Spitzer things.

[stark fulcrum]

Yeah for some reason I went in as a 3 star solo and ended up fighting 5 star trios 😆

I havent played in awhile so I've fallen off

[hushed sage]

have experienced this wayy too many times, im a 4 and sometimes a 5, but my 3 star buddy having to fight the two 6* and his prestige 100 5* friend is not an awesome experience

[winged skiff]

Im 6* star and play on EU servers, and since the update I've hardly ever see any long ammo guns besides the Krag now, whilst 90% of matches are dominated by spammy compact rifles and shotguns. Even snipers are primarily using compact rifles now

[stark fulcrum]

Bc its what ratchz is using atm lol

[orchid violet]

slate slug is worse then spectre slug

[stark fulcrum]

Long ammo is still king

[orchid violet]

compact and medium ammo are in a worse spot then hunt 1.0

they are actually in an unviable state

[stark fulcrum]

Medium feels weird

[orchid violet]

when compared to the buffed long ammo

[stark fulcrum]

And that new Spencer rifle i wanted to love so much, I cant

[orchid violet]

krag got buffed again when literally noone asked for it

[stark fulcrum]

Dude I feel like krag beats mosin easy now

[trail carbon]

To be fair, I think spitzer should be removed

[orchid violet]

yeah cause mosin shoots like 50% slower then krag

[stark fulcrum]

Exactly

[orchid violet]

mosin is only better at bodying people from further away missing a bar

krag is 345 dollar????

why

[winged skiff]

I would've agreed if they hadn't given long ammo extra drop vs medium and compact, as that was both unnecessary and bad for balance. Adding logical drop (i.e. based just on velocity), and infinite HS range wouldve been enough. The shotgun buffs were also entirely unnecessary, as they were already good enough that they dominated CQB

[stark fulcrum]

I always felt like medium should have the highest damage in its range, compact be faster firing and long having better range and pen

[orchid violet]

i mean no shotgun buff makes them actually dominate in close unlike before

[stark fulcrum]

But thats just me

[orchid violet]

yeah thats what it should be

but its not

[winged skiff]

No, it has been like that since first days of update for me

[rotund obsidian]

long ammo type has a steeper drop curve but that's counteracted by giving the long rifles insane drop start ranges for some fuckin reason

lebel is double the lemat carbine, for example

[orchid violet]

also giving them the highest bul vel

and nerfing high vel

all the nerfs to high vel are crazy

[winged skiff]

They already dominated cqb before, so much so people didn't dare push compounds if they heard shotties inside and didn't have one themselves

[trail carbon]

I mean, I think long ammo definitely needed the nerf honestly. It is significantly stronger than the other two ammo types (in my opinion of course), and I think the shotgun changes would've been really cool if they reduced the ohko range. I understand that a lot of people think that would diminish shotguns' "identity" but I personally think their identity as a glorified melee weapon sucks anyways

[orchid violet]

well thats the long ammo problem, people just refuse to push with long ammo

[stark fulcrum]

I mean its the same if you hear a hoard of long ammo outside.

[orchid violet]

because they cannot hit a headshot/are too scared and in 6 star

[stark fulcrum]

Shotguns do what shotguns do same with rifles or double actions etc

[orchid violet]

you get to 6 star by being good or sitting there for 30 mins waiting for them to misposition and give you a free kill

6 star lobbies if you havent played in them are hell holes

where noone pushes

unless they have shotguns

[stark fulcrum]

The hate shotguns get stems from people bum rushing compounds with a winnie lol. Play your role and its fine

[rotund obsidian]

"play your role" which is just waiting for 30 minutes for timer LMAOOO

[orchid violet]

thats what most games atr 6* are like now anyway lol

[stark fulcrum]

Or rush out into long ammo fire from 150 meters away

[orchid violet]

long ammo plague

people dont push

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I don't like the "role" of shotguns in hunt, they currently encourage camping heavily

[orchid violet]

thats not shotguns

its playing effective range

[winged skiff]

Bullet drop in itself is the nerf that was needed, as it prevents those 200+ bushcamper sniper shots from happening too often. Giving long ammo MORE drop than medium and compact was NOT needed however, esp. when infinite HS range was added, the lack of which really was the medium & compact guns biggest disadvantage, esp. at 6* where peoples aim are on point even at long range

[stark fulcrum]

And rats don't exist?

[orchid violet]

shotguns are the only guns people actually push with

[trail carbon]

I mean, it finally gives long ammo an actual downside

[orchid violet]

so many games when i play agressive with a officer carbine or whatever in 6 * end with me just leaving with the bounty despire a team of long ammo users because they just refuse to push

[winged skiff]

Yup

[rotund obsidian]

Yeah everyone has a fucking shotgun now, which would be less of a pain in the ass if trading wasn't so frequent

[stark fulcrum]

I think its partly this new map as well. The compounds are like mini towns lol

[orchid violet]

BUT THE PROBLEM IS COMPACT AND MEDIUM GOT NERFED INTO THE FLOOR WITH HIGH VEL CHANGES so long ammo 'nerf' which is hardly a nerf and affects the low velo guns the most ironically as they have the quickest fall off generally and retain the least damage over range whilst dealing the least damage

sure long ammo got slightly harder to use at range

btu compact and medium got significantly worse at every range other then close

[stark fulcrum]

Like the other maps were born for long ammo but the new map seems to be ambush and cqc ready

But point still stands overall la still best overall

[orchid violet]

and long ammo is still by a mile the best ammo type

[stark fulcrum]

I just need my medium ammo to make sense

[orchid violet]

there are 0 downsides to long ammo

[winged skiff]

You dont consider their way slower ROF, lower capacity (incl. getting almost no ammo from crates either) and higher price on top downsides? In a shooter ROF counts as much as dmg, esp. if a headshot is instakill irrespective of range

[rotund obsidian]

the other maps are barren wastelands and fortified lairs, yes people are gonna rat inside/outside based on their guns. its like 90% a compound design issue

[trail carbon]

Oh, yeah, for sure long ammo is still king, which sucks, but I just said it was a step in the right direction

[orchid violet]

especially after a lot of the guns got reserve size buffs

[stark fulcrum]

And make Spencer rifle bullets not slow as a slingshot

[orchid violet]

literally a 1 step forward 2 steps back

[rotund obsidian]

medium ammo got gigabuffed bro

[trail carbon]

Not that bad, more like 3 steps forward, 1 step back

[rotund obsidian]

vetterli went from like a 65m two tap to like, 91m

[trail carbon]

It's much better than it was

[stark fulcrum]

While we're talking about ammo, does anyone feel like the high velo ammo pools nerfs were a bit much on some guns? Like why does my poor pax have 9 reserve ammo now....

Its a freaking pax

[winged skiff]

It makes perfect sense now with a 30m instead of 20 m dmg drop off range

[stark fulcrum]

@winged skiff not what I meant but yes 30m is nice

[orchid violet]

heatshots are 1 shots high vel gets nerfed in eveyr way

[rotund obsidian]

high vel nerfs were justified, although making it a flat global percentage change hit certain guns harder than others (vetterli hv is dead af)

[orchid violet]

they should have picked the velo ammo or damage nerf on it tbh

[stark fulcrum]

That was my take as well. Like why across the board?

[winged skiff]

Strongly disagree, I pick compact or medium (or shotgun) now if I wanna succeed at 6*, long ammo is a stupid choice as far as Im concerned.

[trail carbon]

I think HV ammo should just go away :)

[stark fulcrum]

@trail carbon you hate everything though 😆

[orchid violet]

what does medium or compact do that long doesnt (my fav gun is officer deadeye btw)

[winged skiff]

Dont understand then, as the Centennial is now legit one of the best guns

[rotund obsidian]

It was a triple whammy, which might've been a tad of an overshoot, but I still see it often enough and velocity is still nuts on a lot of guns so I don't think HV is useless by any means

[trail carbon]

Nah, just slugs, hv, spitzer, the Clown and Cringe shotgun, bulwark/hornskin, and long ammo

[stark fulcrum]

@trail carbon i do hate cnk as well, bulwark is a must though. Until they get rid of xbows

[orchid violet]

cent has always been one of the best cheap rifles especially the 2 slot versions as they have insane velo for a 2 slot/suppressed

[trail carbon]

I just want bulwark to not affect the bomblance, its so dumb

[orchid violet]

but why run a cent over a mosin obrez drum

0 reason other then price

[winged skiff]

Shoot way faster and for longer, hence why 6* games are basically just higj ROF compactor medium rifles and/shotgun fests

[median zephyr]

i think hv is in a good spot rn, it has downsides, and long ammo is in the most balanced spot it ever has been, and slugs can be ok with some changes

[orchid violet]

nearly every person in 6* uses long

[stark fulcrum]

@trail carbon steel balls and frags

[orchid violet]

people tried with levering realised it was still an rng fest

[rotund obsidian]

I'm a bit conflicted with the two-slot weapon buffs. The short shotguns are fucking crazy now, and the short rifles are also like, barely a downgrade from the full sized ones. While I think that's mostly a good thing, now we just need to remove quartermaster lole

[trail carbon]

Yeah, but why does the base ammo deserve to suck?

[median zephyr]

im 6* and ive seen a huge variety, a lot of cent snipers with high velo

[rotund obsidian]

I've seen so many fucking people running crown+obrez(often drum) and its actually stupid

[median zephyr]

the medium rifles were always like this, its the shotguns that got buffed

[orchid violet]

ive literally not seen a single cent sniper since the update

[stark fulcrum]

Hv on some guns is. But again it should not have been an across the board nerf to ammo pools. Pax hv is never going to be meta nor are many others

[orchid violet]

most common shotgun loadout rn

[rotund obsidian]

no the rifles got gigabuffed, sway was MASSIVELY reduced

obrez is fucking insane now

[orchid violet]

obrez drum has 25 FUCKING ROUNDS

25

[rotund obsidian]

PLUS obrez drum gets 25

[trail carbon]

I get that HV has downsides, I just feel like it isn't enough, and though long ammo is "the most balanced it's ever been" it is still very strong in comparison

[median zephyr]

pax trueshot HV is scarrily fast, thats one of the best velocity pistols now

[winged skiff]

Difference is now it two taps further out, and theres no HS range limit (yes Ive lost plenty of kills to previous 180m HS limit range with cent), which makes it crazy at 6* where people have very good aim

[orchid violet]

0 reason to use a cent over a krag though

especially as krag got buffed again for some reason

[winged skiff]

Krag is the only long ammo gun I see now

[stark fulcrum]

@median zephyr but again its not that scary as to nerf an already low pool even further. Officer carbine hv is scarier

[median zephyr]

the fact some people here are saying long ammo op, and others are saying compact and medium are op, is kinda showing that its decently balanced

[orchid violet]

i see lebel a lot more now still a shit ton of mosin half the lobby using krag

dolch is super common since the event too

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I don't get why they buffed the krag

[rotund obsidian]

I still need explosive crossbow removed from the game though. Please Nerf

[winged skiff]

Krag never shouldve gotten 126 damage, it was fine at 124

[orchid violet]

useless at 124 broken at 126

[trail carbon]

Why? It doesn't kill unless you direct hit

[orchid violet]

well tbf it wasnt useless it was a long ammo 2 tap

[stark fulcrum]

This is the truest comment today. Someone dies to a shotty its op, sniper, its op, etc

[winged skiff]

Useless? Mate it was one of my fav guns before 126 dmg update, after that it became OP af

[rotund obsidian]

it doesn't kill in ONE SHOT unless you direct hit*

but it still fucking deletes most of your health for someone sneezing in your general direction

[orchid violet]

only reason people used krag pre buff was for it being long and quickest 2 tap of a long ammo which was probably fine tbh

but everyone just used mosin

at least cyclone got buffed

that gun being more expensive then a mosin was criminal

[winged skiff]

Yeah, I used it for the basically infinite HS range + fast two tap at range

[trail carbon]

I think snipers are just not fun to play against, unless you also have one. This goes for every FPS game actually. I don't like fighting pixel art

[stark fulcrum]

But the thing is, and we all know this deep down, if they had a tournament today on hunt the most used loadoat would be mosin/krag and dolch.

[orchid violet]

dolch is horrid to play against

[median zephyr]

obrez has always been insaine, it was about 128 and went to 100, its something, but thats not that much, the drum got a huge buff yes

[orchid violet]

0 recoil spam machine

[trail carbon]

I hate the dolch

[orchid violet]

dolch p is the best medium range weapon in the game change my midn

[winged skiff]

Thing is at 6* peoples aim is overall so good, that ROF is more important than dmg most the time, esp. now that a HS is a instakill irrespective of range

[median zephyr]

it does have benefits, its main thing was "im 250m away im impervious to your gun" which no longer exists

[stark fulcrum]

@trail carbon i would hate to like work at a restaurant and you come in to eat. You hate everything 🤣. Not being mean its just funny

[orchid violet]

disagree as people will pick the guns that are easiest to headshot with which is the ones with the lowest drop range and highest velo

which is why everyone uses long

[rotund obsidian]

ignore the number, the sway is basically nonexistent lmfao. It said 128 just like the other short rifles but it had its own pattern which was enormous and nerfed the fuck out of that gun.

[orchid violet]

people might have changed over to compact/medium sometimes if high vel didnt get gutted

[median zephyr]

youre comparing one of the better 3 slots with a 1 slot pistol, yes its scarrier but thats not a fair comparison

[trail carbon]

I actually feel like I'm a pretty kind person. I've just been critical of these things for a long time so it's honestly pretty frustrating

[rotund obsidian]

balanced weapon btw

[orchid violet]

same velo as a spear btw

[trail carbon]

I mean, who is standing crowded up like that? I've never seen people do that. I'd honestly rather have a real weapon

[orchid violet]

expo cross bow is unironicalyl only good if you quartermaster with a mosin or use a sparks pistol

[stark fulcrum]

@median zephyr trushot is on no ones list of s tier guns. Lets not pretend it is and the broader issue is that it was an across the board unnecessary nerf to a lot of guns that didn't warrant it.

[winged skiff]

I got my highest kill count ever ingame 2 days after the patch, using a Winnie. It was a headclicking spamfest and I was called a cheater by three people...

Simply lovely

[orchid violet]

highest bl vel pistol thats cheap as uppercut doesnt 126 you anymore

[rotund obsidian]

my point is that the aoe is fucking gigantic and it goes off on impact brother

[trail carbon]

I think the spear is a bit overtuned honestly

[orchid violet]

they nearly trippled the price so its probably fine

still the best melee in the entire game thoguh

[median zephyr]

it doesnt need to be s tier its very underrated, its better then uppercut at headshotting, and it being cheap helps a ton, im a trueshot lover myself and i know it sucks to have a thing you like nerfed, but hv ammo def deserved it

[stark fulcrum]

@orchid violet again, my point was it wasn't warranted across the board on every gun

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I guess, but like, you have to direct hit to kill, and you can heal/run away before they're even finished reloading

[stark fulcrum]

You guys keep honong in on pax

I'm saying it shouldn't have been every gun, I just used pax as my example

[orchid violet]

pax is fine

[stark fulcrum]

Dear lord

[orchid violet]

its not op but it just has the best stats that people care baout

bul vel

[median zephyr]

this is true, but good players didnt care about it really, medium slot rifles have always been disgustingly good

[orchid violet]

easiest pistol to headshot with at range now

so its going to be the best

unless you want to fan

then conversion/default pax

[median zephyr]

then let me ask, what gun didnt warrant it?

[winged skiff]

Fact is, if youre choosing any long ammo gun other than the Krag right now, you're sandbagging yourself. That atleast is the objective truth as Ive experienced it at 6 and 5 star since 1896 release

[stark fulcrum]

Dude they did it to every single gun with hv. You're telling me it was needed? On every one?

[rotund obsidian]

I think the reduced ammo is fine on every gun but the damage reduction should've been balanced per-gun, vet losing 125 is criminal

[median zephyr]

its really are you using spitzer, or at a very specific range, otherwise krag is the play

[orchid violet]

depends the range youre playing at if youre playing like 60m then mosin will out perform krag since further bodyshot range on a 125

[stark fulcrum]

Was the bullet drop factor really gonna make hv meta on a lot of these otherwise meh guns?

[median zephyr]

hv is still amazing, i cant think of a single one who really didnt deserve it besides like, normal nagant, but thats a gun nobody plays anyway

[orchid violet]

most of the guns that use high vel are shit and high vel makes them useabel

[stark fulcrum]

Bullet drop doesn't even affect us most of the time bc we aren't shooting 100 meters usually

[stark fulcrum]

@orchid violet exactly, that's what I'm saying

[median zephyr]

then hv isnt for you, its for range and headhsots, thats its nieche

[orchid violet]

yeah which is why i agree they should not have gutted it as it just removed so many guns from being actually competative

lowkey though

[winged skiff]

There's just no point to any of the other long ammo guns in light of the much faster and higher capacity compact & medium ammo rifles now, atleast not if your aim is good. Infinite HS range coupled with more more bullets fired in less time and with less drop is just king at high tier

[stark fulcrum]

I go fmj 9 times out of 10 but thought I'd try hv today and noticed all the pools

[orchid violet]

lemat shotgun may need a nerf

11m 1 shots from a 1 slot shotgun is wild

consistent 10m

is also wild

[stark fulcrum]

On the pistol?

[orchid violet]

yes

[stark fulcrum]

Dang

[orchid violet]

people have not caught on yet

go try it in the range

[winged skiff]

Speak for yourself

[orchid violet]

lemat and trueshot are probably 2 best pistols in the game right nwo

[median zephyr]

i see mostly long ammo at top tier, yes guns with high velocity like the centennial headshots better, but most guns dont get to long ammo velocity, and esp not dmg

[orchid violet]

that are not a dolch

and 1 slot

[stark fulcrum]

@winged skiff my man you're catching the ass end of conversations and inserting yourself lol. Context

[winged skiff]

Mako is downright shit now because of stupidly short 115m drop

[stark fulcrum]

Haven't tried mako lately

[orchid violet]

also krag is just a better version of what the gun is trying to do

[winged skiff]

Dmg is irrelevant when clicking heads though

[median zephyr]

ive been using the mako and its amazing, the levering on it is insaine

[median zephyr]

yes, but MV is not

[stark fulcrum]

Levering is low key beastly atm. I dont see many people talking about it

[winged skiff]

Yeah, if the Mako had the same 145m drop it would be fine

[orchid violet]

which is why people go for bul vel aka long

also 1 shotting downed hunters is kinda broken

they should totally keep the event perks that lets you loot bars bac

[median zephyr]

i just completely disagree long ammo is bad, nothing about it is bad, other guns just have benefits, which they should

[orchid violet]

but they dont is the problem

6* lobbies like half the guns fights are over on the 1st shot

people will pick the guns that are easiest to headshot with

highest bul vel

long ammo

[median zephyr]

i dont want this one, you getting downed should be a downisde, i wouldnt mind a way to get bars back AFTER a fight though

[winged skiff]

Just go HV with compact, dont need higher velocity than 500ish, hech even 400 works great for me. All the 2nd chances you get with such a fast RoF also is the real killer

[median zephyr]

the centennial also

[orchid violet]

reduced ammo count lower damage more recoil

[median zephyr]

just bc it works for you doesnt mean its better, the other guns absolutely have a place

[orchid violet]

i mostly use officer deadeye which has 330

but they dont is the problem

they are wose at everythign other then cycle tinme

long ammo downsides got lowered

[median zephyr]

compact has least drop, but terrible dmg and not the best velocity, cenni gets good drop good velocity, and long gets best velocity, penning multiple people with spitzer, and the worst drop

[winged skiff]

You still get nowhere near the same recoil as long ammo, and still more ammo - esp. in terms of actual internal capacity

[orchid violet]

compact and medium upsides got reduced

[orchid violet]

its relevant on officer

very on officer

[winged skiff]

Which is such a damn odd relationship

[orchid violet]

people run centenial due to the velo

[median zephyr]

its a meta change, they all have a nieche, which is ok

[orchid violet]

2 slot with like 500 ms is kinda crazy

[median zephyr]

well its the velo and the drop, its a mix of both

[winged skiff]

Problem is it doesn't make any logical sense as far as Im concerned. Would strongly prefer it if the weapons behaved inline with logic, esp. since they'd be perfectly balanced that way as well.

[rotund obsidian]

a lot of compact ammo weapons have shittier drop than a lot of long ammo weapons, let's not pretend like compact is just blanket better in terms of drop at all ranges. compact really only starts to be any better at like, 150-200m+

[median zephyr]

if youre talking realism vs gameplay, this wouldnt be perfectly balanced, i just fully disagree, theyre changed due to gameplay which is what games should be balanced for

[rotund obsidian]

lemat carbine with base ammo has a listed drop range of 135, and lebel base ammo has a listed drop range of 140

[median zephyr]

depends what you have in it, it just fully drops the least if you have a HV infintry, which is ok

[median zephyr]

well thats lemat carbine, thats the worst dropping compact besides officer carbine, there is much better

(obv 3 slots)

[winged skiff]

Im talking for both balance and immersion. Im not looking for milsim realism or anything, I just like the guns to behave logically consistent

[median zephyr]

i dont want this, its made for gameplay, it works well, otherwise long ammo is how it was, guns barely drop, it wouldnt work at all

[orchid violet]

i just want guns to actually perform the best in their role rather then long just shitting on absolutly everything other then shotguns in class

[median zephyr]

they still do, i think youre both on opposite sides, long ammo cant be op and obsolete

[rotund obsidian]

infantry is 150 and marathon is 145, both of which actually START dropping earlier than lebel

[orchid violet]

it should be the best at range

it should not be the best at medium and close

maybe if you lowered damage of all below 125 there would actually be a reason to run compact/medium but that will never happen

[median zephyr]

it doesnt really matter when they start, its by how much, bc if its a couple pixels down, you dont lose any shots unless it was like WAY too low on the head

[orchid violet]

unless everything was lowered and emphasis was really put on headshots more so then now

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, you can say that, but when lematc starts at 35 and lebel starts at 70, you'll start to notice on the lemat way earlier, even if the listed one-head range isn't too far off from each other.

[median zephyr]

i mean if youre using long ammo you dont really benefit from HS range, its mostly 200+ meters for medium or 150ish for compact rifles anyway

[orchid violet]

i mean most of the compact and medium ammo guns dont benifit from it either

[median zephyr]

for sure, but the lemat C is meant to be used within like 100, its bad at sniping and thats ok

[orchid violet]

i can probabyl cound on both hands the amount of tiems a headshot hasnt killed in hunt 1.0

[rotund obsidian]

the infantry also starts earlier than the mosin or lebel, i'm just using lematc as an example because I use that gun

[median zephyr]

depends the range youre firing at, ive killed some over 200m snipers with vetterli HV recently, its the fact you can always kill, not can only kill 95% of the time

[orchid violet]

its very rare though

its like the shit close range guns where it matters or like when youre fucking around with then nagant p deadeye

[median zephyr]

this is ok, your gun is better at some and worse at others, if the infantry is worse at 40, but better at 160, thats not a bad thing

[winged skiff]

I am not looking for no drop, I think if a long ammo rifle drops at 140-150m thats fine, and then medium rifle at 130-140 and compact 120-130m for example. That would be the general trend if drop was just based on velocity, and it would be perfectly balanced when there is infinite HS range as well. It prevents the long range OHK from bush snipers from being common, whilst also making sure long ammo guns still actually make sense in light of their cons such as low ROF, low capacity, ammo count and price.

[median zephyr]

it just bridges the gap, no sniper is fully safe unless you have like a shotgun

[orchid violet]

yes but the overall point is that the bullet drop change was advertised to harm long ammo the most when realistically it just harms every ammo type other then long ammo in 90% of gun fights

[winged skiff]

sadly right now, long ammo guns other than the Krag just dont make sense

[median zephyr]

long ammo rifles still win on velocity, i get its weird realism wise, but compact ammo doesnt need a nerf

[orchid violet]

it didnt need the high vel ner

[rotund obsidian]

meanwhile at 150m even if you fuck up the drop, mosin is still gonna two tap to chest LMAO

[median zephyr]

it was meant to harm long ammo snipers, which it succeds in, a krag at 275 is HARD to hit, now maybe spitzer at 200 isnt so bad, but the winnies can possibly fight back now, it def targeted long ammo rifles the most

[winged skiff]

Well that wouldnt really be a nerf would it? esp. since they got HV ammo as well.

[median zephyr]

this is also why long ammo has a place, no compact does this or even medium

[winged skiff]

could give compact ammo HV back its 600 m/s velocity even

[rotund obsidian]

of course long ammo has a place its still the best ammo in the game. I see a bit more variety now but the teams shitting on everyone are still pretty much just running mosins and lebels 💀

[median zephyr]

of course it is, youre literally asking for more drop on compact that is a nerf yes

[rotund obsidian]

yeah im sorry but asking for them to like, reverse drop so long ammo drops the least is actually insane please get help

[orchid violet]

but it doesnt affect them the most is the point

[median zephyr]

there will always be a meta, but the fact ive seen so many people even today say "compact op the new sniper has less drop" shows theres reasons for other ones

[orchid violet]

compact if you gave it the reserve ammo back it would probably be useabel

or maybe removed the damage pen

[winged skiff]

try the Mosin out at the shooting range, even at 126m if you aim at the middle of the head, it will hit the chest. At 150m good luck consistently hitting the head, esp.on a moving target, as your sight is litterally obscuring the target

Mosin aint worth it, go Krag if you wanna go long

[median zephyr]

look i just dont think were ever gonna agree if you think compact is too good rn, it may be "weird" it has less drop, but gameplay wise it bridges the gap and thats a good thing

[orchid violet]

most of those people i can say for sure are not good at the game as on paper and in practice where peopel can actually aim long is always king as its the easiest to headshot with

[rotund obsidian]

have you played the game since the update dawg or are you still theorycrafting based on videos and shooting range clips. ive had my head taken off by mosins plenty since the update

[median zephyr]

depends on the range, cenni HV gets the velocity and less drop, but spitzer still doesnt drop much

[orchid violet]

cent is kinda outlier though

[median zephyr]

but it being an outliar still means it exists, its a meta shift, which is good

[orchid violet]

has crazy high velo for med ammo

[winged skiff]

thats fine, but IMO it is long ammo having too much (as in extra) drop that is the problem, not compact being OP. Inshort compact & medium is dominating now only because long generally just sucks, esp. with ammo economy and price in mind as well.

[orchid violet]

and people only really use the 2 slot versions

cent shorty has 540 velo

[winged skiff]

in other words, I dont wanna nerf compact or medium ammo at all

[orchid violet]

which is near long ammo and higher then some long

a lot of long actually

[rotund obsidian]

on what planet is compact and medium dominating

[winged skiff]

I just want to make long ammo actually viable by removing the extra drop modifier it gets

[median zephyr]

i just dont agree long ammo sucks, its still very good and has a very strong place, its not even nieche

[winged skiff]

in 6 star on EU servers its all I see along with shotguns and the Krag, its a head clicking spamfest 90% of the time

[median zephyr]

krag is very good yes, but thats long ammo

[orchid violet]

i mean youre just wrong though long ammo is still the best because it has the most upsides and is the easiest to headshot with

[winged skiff]

no, its because it shoots fast and has sensible drop

the other long ammo guns are pointless

[orchid violet]

some compact guns have cycle times over but that doesnt matter when most fights end instantly anyway

[median zephyr]

two people telling me long ammo is the best and long ammo is the worst

[rotund obsidian]

"thats long ammo" "no" ❓

[median zephyr]

yall, i love you but youre killing me

[winged skiff]

as in him suggesting its because its long ammo, which isnt why its good

[median zephyr]

it is absolutely why it is good

[winged skiff]

nope

[median zephyr]

if it was compact, it wouldnt be nearly as good

well aagree to disagree then, bc this is going nowhere

[winged skiff]

a gun is a combination of things, it being long ammo alone is not what makes it good, hence why the other long ammo guns objectively suck

[median zephyr]

no gun is just a single thing, but saying its not godd bc its long ammo is just false

thats a big component of why its good, high ROF and long ammo is its thing

[winged skiff]

if all the long ammo guns had same 145 m drop, no issues, but they dont

[orchid violet]

the only gun that would unironically be better if it wasnt long ammo is the mako as its just a worse krag with no ammo

[rotund obsidian]

I think with the double levering buff mako almost sorta kinda has a niche, it's still bad but at least it does something else half-decently

[orchid violet]

the problem is

[median zephyr]

you use the mako for levering basically, or to have fun

[orchid violet]

these are the 2 relevant stats

[winged skiff]

You're much better off picking a compact or medium rifle most the time, esp. at 6 star, thats just fact as far as Im concerned

[orchid violet]

but its shit with levering

so there is no reason for it to exist

especially when it comes with 14 rounds in a spam gun

[median zephyr]

you havent used it recently, its so low spread and high ROF

[winged skiff]

levering with Mako is useless

[rotund obsidian]

yeah ive seen mako levering put in some serious work ngl

[median zephyr]

as someone whos been using it in 6 star, its not useless

[winged skiff]

definitely not low spread

[median zephyr]

but you can have your opinion

[orchid violet]

maybe ill try it then but also levering

gets rng headshot

or gets headshot

[winged skiff]

you will be either HS by a compact rifle or pummeled with a shotgun at 6 star, I can almost guarantee it

[orchid violet]

replace compact by dolch or krag mosin lebel

[winged skiff]

lol not on EU 😛 They be compact and medium slinging headhunters there

[orchid violet]

im on eu

every game is nearly 100% long

my squad is usually the only squad bringing compact or medium

everyone else is long

maybe you see a shotgun

why would you use compact over long

[winged skiff]

what star are you?? I litterally almost never see long on eu 6 star, atleast not in daytime hours

[orchid violet]

when long is easier to headshot with

6*

europe

[winged skiff]

cant be

[orchid violet]

have been 6 * for literally ever

the only long gun you dont see really now is uppercut

[winged skiff]

Same, played since 2018, but I never see long anymore besides Krag

[orchid violet]

because it deservedly got lowered below 125

peopel were 100% trying compact mainly winfield

because levering buffs

but everyone has just gone back to long

cyclone ive seen a few times

btu its rare

[winged skiff]

I played yesterday, still just compact and medium headspamming in three consecutive matches, not counting the shotguns

[orchid violet]

i wish for those games

[winged skiff]

got bored of it then, and just left

[orchid violet]

krag fire is probably the most common thing

krag fire dolch fmj

hyper original loadout

only shotguns i really see are 2 slot ones

[winged skiff]

HS used to be one of my favorite passtimes since 2018, but ever since the update it has quickly gotten stale for me. Its too spammy for my liking now

[orchid violet]

or 3 slot with quartermaster and a 2 slot long ammo rifle/cent silenced/shorty

never played on release

sadly

bought the game in like 2018

played 2 hours of it

came back to it like 3 years later

actually stuck with ti

[median zephyr]

i just tested this, at 126 it hits the head, and 150 you need to aim slightly above the head, normal mosin not even spitzer

[orchid violet]

wild

almost like bul drop on long ammo isnt really a thing

unless youre literally over a compound away

[median zephyr]

levering mako has somewhere around 30-35 spread, along with it two tapping to arms, its levering is very good

[orchid violet]

see how broken lemat pistol is now

whilst youre at it

that thing is probably going to need a nerf

im not even fucking wiht you

[median zephyr]

i did, i mean it shares one barrel of the medium slot rival, so it makes sense

i didnt do extensive testing, id need a lot more shots

[orchid violet]

consistent 10m kills

[median zephyr]

i typically do 100 shots to test how consistant something is but im not doing that rn

[orchid violet]

quite often kill at 111

[median zephyr]

youre just describing short barrel shotguns this update basically, theyre much much much better

[orchid violet]

yeah i know but its a 1 slot

[median zephyr]

typically only losing 1-3m of thieir long slots

[orchid violet]

and a pistol

[median zephyr]

yes, thats what shotguns do

[orchid violet]

yeah but at 10m consistently its kinda broken

old lemat shotgun was basically a derringer pennyshot but worse tbf though

[median zephyr]

if youre expecting shotguns to be as bad as penny derringer, youre in for a rude awakening

thats basically as bad as it gets besides never 1 shotting

[orchid violet]

nah old lemat basically was as bad as it

current lemat is insane for a 1 slot

[median zephyr]

nah no shot, i used the lemat all the time, i trusted it more

[orchid violet]

it was so bad

unless you used slugs

[median zephyr]

and penny derringer, i run these more then i run traps

[orchid violet]

then it was mediocure

[median zephyr]

never

it was a "more consistant 3-5m melee"

thats where it wasish, i dont trust penny derringer at 5

[orchid violet]

tbf there was 1 game i got 1 shot by a penny shot at 5

literally could not recreate that

[median zephyr]

it CAN happen, its about consistancy

[orchid violet]

slot machined on the edge of max range probbaly

[median zephyr]

if they hit a 10% shot, they got lucky

[orchid violet]

consistnent 2 shot with penny shot at 5 mi

i shot like 200 shots and couldnt get it

so it was probably like 5.00m on the dot

or whatever the near theoretical max 1 shot range of that thing is

terminus is kinda busted as well

that thing might be better then the crown

gonna be honest

[median zephyr]

depends if you run slugs

[orchid violet]

slugs are meh tbh

[median zephyr]

slugs cant do levering but with buckshot is prob is

i heavily disagree, but thats ok

[orchid violet]

would rather just use a rifle over slugs

confident in aim

or officer revo or something at slug range

they shoudl proabbyl look to change how slug range is calculated though

crown and romero having same 1 shot range is wild

not that romero slug is good at all anymore

[median zephyr]

you can headshot yes, but its just easier to body tap

[orchid violet]

not that it was ever really good

[median zephyr]

and yes ive been saying this for a while, but i dont think they ever will

[orchid violet]

probably not worth the man a hours

like how the ejection rods on the pistols will never actually be used and instead you just kinda rub the barrel

regardless they got bigger issues to be dealing with

[median zephyr]

for sure, theyre functioning, but the dolch is functioning too

[thin remnant]

stripperclip

[turbid bane]

is there anyone who knows if the new corrupted Skins in the Shop are Event Restricted ? the Event icon gives that impression and so far nobody here could help me

[median zephyr]

we never know until it ends, esp with the new shop ui not having them in like an event tab, no clue

[turbid bane]

comon, there are Community Managers here and they cannot tell us this ?

we have to wait until its over to know this ?

and since they are quiet about it, someone could come to a conclusion

that this is wanted

[crystal plume]

Only seasonal event skins as well as twitch drop skins have returned in the past

[median zephyr]

i mean community managers arent able to read every. single. message, esp in the feedback discussion channel

[crystal plume]

So the skins in this event likely won't come back either

[turbid bane]

the buyable skins in the shop ?

[median zephyr]

possible, but coal bearer is permanent, and hes literally santa

im just saying its not exactly always clear

[turbid bane]

im not talking about event stuff im talking about the Weapons in the store with an Event icon in thew background

nowhere it says that they are event only

[crystal plume]

I mean it is, he's from seasonal event so he's back on christmas

This is a standalone event so the skins won't come back

[median zephyr]

no hes permanant in the store 24/7 not just christmas

[crystal plume]

Also mythic rarity skins are confirmed to never be available again IIRC

[crystal plume]

Ah right

[median zephyr]

you see what im saying with it being confusing though yea?

[crystal plume]

I mean not really

But could be because I am more familiar with the system

[turbid bane]

no ? where does it say anything how long they are available ?

[median zephyr]

well we KNOW theyre available for this event, if you want them get them sooner rather then later

[crystal plume]

Wait by corrupted skins do you mean the BB ones? Like the 2 hunters and 2 weapon skins

[turbid bane]

...

of course

[median zephyr]

i believe they do but im not gonna put words in their mouth

[turbid bane]

that was my question to begin with

[crystal plume]

No need for the attitude, they aren't marked as "corrupted" anywhere as far as I can see

Those should stay as they are just BB skins

[grizzled iron]

if the server drops me and I can't reconnect, do I lose my hunter?

[median zephyr]

they may stay but im not sure this is good reasoning, widows bounty was BB and its gone, skinflint was sold for BBS and its gone

[crystal plume]

Yeah that was back then

[turbid bane]

ahj ok sorry, when im getting lecturered but you, just didnt read my question

[crystal plume]

Before they changed their approach and now all BB skins that come with events are not event exclusive

As we've had for the last 5 events or so

[turbid bane]

im wasting my time here, by thinking im in the wrong only to be told " oh the ones you asked from the beginning" sorry that im a LITTLE unhappy

[median zephyr]

this is true, that would make sense as long as its consistant

[grizzled iron]

So I can't reconnect, I can't start a new game and I lose my hunter because the game wont let me connect. Never had this horseshit on the previous game.

[median zephyr]

wasnt that one choke bomb skin event exclusive? and wasnt it within the last 5? its hard to remember it all

[turbid bane]

so now, the BB items in the shop with the event icon in the background are event only or will they be available after the event ? Thank you. (is it clear now what i mean ?)

[empty oasis]

The Cicada? That was Traitors Moon

[empty oasis]

The bb shop event skins will remain available in the shop after the event is over

[turbid bane]

Thank you, very much. ❤️

[median zephyr]

for sure, its just hard to remember, esp with desolations wake kinda breaking up the trilogy formula

[empty oasis]

Iirc, they stopped the timed exclusive bb skins after the Moon trilogy, so yeah, 6 events ago

[median zephyr]

thats a good change, i have noticed things staying, it is just a shift im not used to

[empty oasis]

You can tell they're not timed anymore because the timed ones had a countdown timer on them in the store

[median zephyr]

it is true, but now there isnt an event store spot, so i could absolutely see that being a UI oversight

it would be cool to see what just came out with the most recent update, i know theres a "new" filter, but it doesnt work

and i do have it sorted by most recent, but itd just be nice to more easily see

[spiral moon]

Seeing the suggestions here makes Me a little sad

You all very well know that no one who works for CT is looking in them.

None of them will ever be purposely implemented.

And yet here they all are, it’s like looking at one big list of abandoned hopes, that don’t care that they have indeed been abandoned.

[median zephyr]

i get why you feel that way, but they absolutely look at them, otherwise they wouldnt know what issues to comment on, im not gonna say an exact number, bc i forget but david speciafically has said a certain percent of stuff they see comes from the discourd

im not gonna say every crytek member combs through every single message, idk how the heirarchy works, but they definately look in some way

[empty oasis]

They do indeed look at them

[median zephyr]

the fact on reddit they had a list of known issues and complaints, shows they look, otherwise they absolutely wouldnt know about all the feedback

[idle folio]

Just in this newest update, three big additions that came primarily from community suggestions was the spyglass gaining a rangefinder feature, the shotgun reticle being reduced to more accurate reflect their true spread, and tiered hunters being able to be bought as skins.

[stark fulcrum]

@empty oasis hey did you get my dm? Just wondering on what happened is all.

[median zephyr]

^ there was prob even more like medium dropoff starting at 30, a lot of things they do are based on feedback, sometimes too much so

[empty oasis]

@sweet sequoia Your post "Title: ping limit" was removed as it was feedback. If you'd like to leave game feedback, please do so in the #feedback channel

[signal mural]

Adding to Rai's list: Miiddle Cache & Sealed Rewards was a community suggestion, Necromancer's changes, a Gator monster, trait consolidation... Etc etc

[median zephyr]

for sure, if people dont think they take it into consideration at all, they dont know this game, unless they assume they impliment suggestions by pure chance

[copper harbor]

New update so laggy, get fps drop

[worn owl]

so please excuse me. but someone who can show such a profile is in my eyes not an MMR2......what's wrong with it....
I'm really not the best, but something like this makes me suspicious.
his team-mate too.
What's wrong with this MMR system? No wonder so many people are put off

[median zephyr]

This is an incredibly tame profile, they don't have much bounty, max hunter, duos wiped, anything, I don't see why you think this person is much better based on these stats

[empty oasis]

@tardy prairie Your post "Title: adjustments to burn/shotguns" has been removed as it was feeedback. If you'd like to leave game feedback, please do so in the #feedback channel.

[visual fjord]

its impossible to see dlc skins on night maps. I just had a Monroe which is entirely grey headshot the whole team while being 10 meters away from us with silent crouch surefoot. Its generally way too dark I had a mountain man which is light brown mix into the big black spot that makes up half my peeks. what did they change about night maps exactly since last time they took them off regular rotation? its far too hard to see my monitor brightness is up at 70% my in game gamma is also 1.25 and its still rough.

[median zephyr]

I mean the new engine makes things look different, but its same old night

[visual fjord]

I feel like they took the same old night off the normal rotation and into the weather effects category for a reason

[signal mural]

It has nothing to do with being DLC or not. Some skins are just harder to see in certain terrains.

[visual fjord]

very true

[quaint swan]

@shadow arrow Just know that if not Crytek, at least I am, looking forward to your next bugs you find and post in feedback channel

[signal mural]

@deep slate BB bags yes; golden register not yet. I only know a few spawns for registers on the new map. Watch towers were always good to check on the old maps, usually right after coming inside under the table in the corner - figure it would be the same on MM's Gulch. I think Sealed Registers have their own spawn sites but maybe inhibit regular spawns by proximity... just a hypothetical though.

[unborn dagger]

When night makes things harder to see 🤯🤯🤯

[signal mural]

No one uses the flare pistol as intended in these circumstances either... bizarre.

[unborn dagger]

I would certainly like flareguns to work more that way but unfortunately burning takes priority:/

[signal mural]

Sorry I mean the Corpse-Cremator5000.

[unborn dagger]

Exactly lmao

Also agreed with your feedback about totems being gone, makes it feel more like regular hunt

[signal mural]

Yeah, I'm so glad they're not around. I made quite a few suggestions about them over the years. If they came up with something again like the snakes from Serpent Moon that might be interesting for awhile again but I think people didn't like the PvP point stealing element of that event scenario.

[unborn sandal]

@deep slate I’ve seen plenty of blood bond bags. You’re just getting unlucky

[mighty eagle]

@pure badger I'm with you on that one buddy. The fact that the spear is hit-scan and the throwing axes are slower than nerf bullets is pretty dumb. I don't think the axes need to go the speed of light like the spear does, but it definitely needs tweaking

[empty oasis]

@mighty eagle Your post "Title: spear op" has been removed as it was feedback. If you'd like to leave game feedback, please do so in the #feedback channel

[crude wadi]

awesome, 3 game in 5, we have a laggy server

[river zephyr]

@hybrid forum been waiting for other weapons besides katana to get martialist for a while myself. Seems like no reason to use anything else besides katana and spear lately.

I'd especially like machete to get some actual love if possible. Your duel wielding idea would be cool if we didn't have to use 2-slots for it perhaps. I also had an idea that maybe the heavy bleed on it could affect monsters and bosses with the martialist trait. Essentially you could bleed 'em and leave 'em to take up defensive positions if you were willing to wait out the bleed to finish them off, or simply have it as a means to apply constant damage and help finish them off faster. Machete then becomes to PvE what the katana has been to PvP

[hybrid forum]

Ooh that bleed against monsters is a really good idea! Especially considering that you can't really make them bleed per se, dum dum ammo against AI doesn't do anything extra, and if you slash a limb of a grunt, or flechette a meathead, they will have blood particles running out of them but won't actually take damage.

Though it's hard to make it any useful, since if you have a katana + martialist or a bomblance you melt bosses anyway. Maybe the dual wielding would increase the attack speed or something? But even that wouldn't be too useful since you only hit someone once with melee

[rain spruce]

idk if fast burn is so much a problem as fusees and especially flare pistol being able to burn bodies is too OP. force people to bring fire consumables if you want to insta burn

[vale swift]

Feedback for Weekly Quests: There are a lot of Quests you are going forward nearly each game and that is nice. But then you have this one quest you can play hours without any progress. for example banish a boss. after all quests this week and maby 5 hours for finish them, i had zero progress on that quest... im by the way a player who play only randoms because i dont like to add people always just for a game and after never write again... so maby you die befor find boss. others find the boss first. or there is just one boss because of the new mini event boss what makes everything more difficult. because of work and other games i try to finish the battlepass i dont have time to spend years on a quest... so to be honest crytec but people like me you force me to go try hard just for boss, doesnt matter what the team mates are going to do. it helped. i finished it now. but i feel antisocial because i have to ignore my mates and anything else, when they get shoot on the way for example and other things. find bosses maby is ok. to kill them also this week i had without try hard not one banish... its just luck if you get progress in that quest and i hate that. go for quests the people can for shure get progress step by step and not go try hard for something...

[peak rain]

I wish they actually called it Weekly Quests not Challenges. I find it ironic to call it Challenges, when every single of them is something that just happens while you play. But I do agree with you, this quest criteria sucks. I am with a group, and we find it just tedious as its RNG. If they actually wanted to make it a challenge, they have succeeded there for sure. We clear the "weekly" within 3 hours usually.

[unborn sandal]

I just don’t like the weapon based quests where 75% of the lobby is using the same weapon for the first few days after weekly challenges come out

[vale swift]

well sorry for my english, weekly quests was the word what was coming in my mind. yes, challenges sorry. but some kind of challenges stress very hard. so far i didnt get a challenge to kill enemy by meele. to use some special ammo is ok but force the people to go meele sucks. but i dont know if they changed the challenge rotation. if there will be coming quests like that. or it would be good if you can change a challenge once per week and choose one of 3 other challenges if you dont like one. sometimes befor i used this joker to change a challenge and the new one was worst then befor.

[peak rain]

Yea I wish it would be random for everyone like the old system. Was a lot more challenging than now.

[unborn sandal]

I don’t mind the more “difficult” ones like banish bosses because you’ll eventually get them done and they don’t go away at the end of the week

[vale swift]

i didnt know this, i was thinking if you dont finish a challenge in the week it wont be awayable in the upcoming anymore so you loose event points for to earn

[peak rain]

No I agree with you there. Its just that its tedious rng. Usually we get it because we spawn next to the boss lair. Otherwise its just random luck

[unborn sandal]

No they stay now probably until the end of the event

[vale swift]

so in the last week i can do all challenges from the hole event? in one way i feel now like a idiot way i dont wait with playing...

[unborn sandal]

Yes

[peak rain]

Yea there is no time limit (as far as I know) to the weekly "challenges".

[vale swift]

in fact of that, if you have this much time for a challenge it doesnt matter so much if you have to banish a boss. in one day you will do it, but anyway, i dont like this random chance to do a quest... i dont like the factor to have : luck in a game even many times in this game you have to have, luck... im out, have a good night mates

[peak rain]

I sort of wish they kept the questlines and did bring those challenges into there each week of the event. Something more to do instead of this weekly quest stuff

[vale swift]

and last but not least sorry i forget but i would wish a only 1 player max bounty hunting. i heared that it existed one time and the people just camped like hell... but for that mode crytec just to have change the rouls. reward the people for moving, kill monster, do stuff. give them a reason to move so they are not afraid so hard to die without getting hunt dollars. give them motivation to not camp and also a solo hunter bounty hunting can be successful

*rules sorry...

because random players can suck so hard and sometimes i wish to play alone bountyhunting without playing solo against 2 or 3

[unborn sandal]

@restive kraken chokes have a wider radius that they can put out fire beyond the cloud. That’s how it’s always been. You can reignite a body that isn’t within the cloud

[minor ermine]

Did they take away the ability to save loadouts? Or did they tuck it away in a sub menu of a submenu that I am not seeing?

[wary oak]

Its a button in the loadout screen, it says it in small letters at the bottom of the menu

depends on how you equip the hunter too, sometimes loadouts is above your main weapon in bold text, other times it tells you to press x

[minor ermine]

Yeah mine says My Loadout above my Primary weapon. I click that but see no option to save that as a preset loadout.

Just figured out. I had to delete a preset loadout in order to save my current. Thanks.

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message i love this, im already of the opinion the mako is heavily underrated, and id love to give it a little more uniqueness

[white plover]

@paper belfry how would you feel about a Mako brawler considering how the other Mako melee is a claw?

[median zephyr]

def a very cool idea, i just wonder how itd work, is it a light punch heavy dmg duster? itd be almost like the obrez mace

[white plover]

I think it’d be similar to the claw with the light being the blunt damage and having that increased damage due to a higher gun weight like the mako claw has in comparison to pistol claws as you mentioned

[median zephyr]

depending on the numbers could be cool, thatd give the mako 3 unique things which is awesome

[white plover]

Would definitely be a interesting thing to see and definitely possibly considering how the claw came to the rifle itself

[median zephyr]

100% im all for it, the mako already has levering going for it, but with this itd be pretty good with dealing with AI as well

[paper belfry]

Also a good option, my main interest is to have more blunt variants of every possible weapon

being able to clean up a tool slot for traps is such a glimmer for me

[storm pendant]

But that makes those variants and by extension those weapons less special

[median zephyr]

i like some more guns having unique variants, to give them something special, but every gun getting every variant would make the game worse, its like the custom ammo situation were in, if everything has it, nothing is special with it anymore, its like if they make a mosin and krag claw, riposte, trauma, etc, there would be no reason to like bring the newly suggested mako trauma

[paper belfry]

I think i didnt express myself right, i would like to have blunt variants for every weapon possible that does not have any other melee variant

Drilling trauma, mako trauma or brawler

mako brawler does makes more sense

[median zephyr]

i think thats more fair, i dont think i agree with it being a hardstop rule, but i like guns that dont have much special going for them getting an interesting blunt variant

like for instance i dont particularly want a sparks trauma, or a crown trauma

[paper belfry]

I would love a crown trauma, i don't think that would be OP in any way, just more "comfort"

Marathon Trauma also is a fine addition

[median zephyr]

its not so much about it being op, not much in this game is, its giving one of the strongest things more and making them even better

its like hey, why dont we give the uppercut, nitro, mosin and all variants, dolch, and crown all attatchments, theyre the things people use most

like did dolch claw suddenly make it significantly better? no, but it was already one of the strongest guns in the game, and making it slightly better in pvp, or even just utility to take in more tools, was a bad decision

[paper belfry]

I think giving more to the strong weapons is fine if you still give some for the weaker weapons, but between one or the other i think you're right

[median zephyr]

i think its better to give it to the weaker to bridge the gap, like a romero trauma? awesome addition, this gives it something, however small, over the other shotguns, but if you give it to the crown, or slate, or spectre etc, it doesnt matter that the romero has it bc its kinda in the same situation, except both are better

[paper belfry]

Yeah bt romero already have the talon, i don't thnk they will give two melee variants to the same weapon, although i'm not against about it

[median zephyr]

this may be true, but they should, this would make the unique thing about the shotgun its melee variants, where if you want a better gun like a spectre or crown, you dont get the cool attatchment

[paper belfry]

Agreed

[rain spruce]

spear is too good. frontiersman invalidates its only real weakness (the potential of losing your melee tool). the MINIMUM we should be looking at for nerfs is making assailant necessary to give it it's current power. past that im not sure what you can do without gutting entirely. increase cost? reduce damage to bosses? make it take up two tool slots? make frontiersman not give you 2 spears? any or all (and probably more) are needed to get this thing a little more balanced. right now it's just way too damn good

[median zephyr]

i mean you never lose your melee unless you choose to throw it, and assialant is so cheap itd still invalidate, it needs its numbers heavily nerfed, or to be moved to a weapon slot

its just very overtuned, its the strength of a weapon slot in a tool slot, its nutty

[rain spruce]

but then you have a throwable weapon slot with all the interactions that entails. I don't think that's on the table

[median zephyr]

i dont either, but then the other option is reducing its numbers, even if its melee is a bayonet heavy, and the light gets its speed WAY toned down, and less than a knife so its not just a non martialist katana and better knife, thatd help a lot

the throw should be its main thing, thats what makes it interesting, rn its in amazing melee, boss killer, and a panic one shotbolt against hunters

[sick fern]

question does anyone else find the HV nerf to be a bit extreme?

[median zephyr]

maybe in some cases, like nagant HV, but overall not really, HV is still amazing and deserved it 100%

[rain spruce]

agreed, but it would need a whole rework to match the throwing aspect. it should be a stronger tomahawk, not a better bomb lance

[median zephyr]

yes this is basically my thoughts, idk why they thought releasing it in this state was fine

[rain spruce]

which is why my initial point was about assailant, don't really see a reason it's not reliant on assailant to be powerful, doesn't really make sense that throwing spear + assailant shouldn't interact

[median zephyr]

i mean if its just the same as it is, but you need a trait, that doesnt really fix the issue, assailant is super cheap and it wouldnt really make much of a difference, id rather an overall nerf and no trait reliance

[sick fern]

I kinda just felt like it was fine the way it was. Like the Vetteril HV was a ton of fun to use now it really got kicked in the nuts. I just don't think the nerf to the damage was neccessary at all

[median zephyr]

i think its fine, vetterli HV is actually what ive been using most since the update, with medium dropping off at 30m, it feels very similar, you just cant down a hunter missing a bar, but thats teh tradeoff for better long range

the problem was previously HV had no downsides, so now that you have to actually consider it, it feels bad

[sick fern]

I guess, just feels like they gave it too many downsides

[median zephyr]

but it honestly SHOULDVE been like this from the start, all custom ammo should have downsides

[sick fern]

like FMJ is also very powerful but it doesn't have 4 downsides stacked ontop of it

you don't lose your dmg

just more bullet drop and a slower bullet

[median zephyr]

no, but it drops much more, just bc fmj doesnt have the same amount of downsides, doesnt mean HV doesnt deserve it

[river zephyr]

sorry for such a delayed reply. Long day. Anyway, I'd argue a bleed would be plenty useful though not as fast, of course. Therein lies the balance, imo. You slash them and leave them to bleed out while the whole team can now take up defensive positions against hunters. With a katana, it would be faster but one person still has to be working on the boss actively, but with this it frees everyone up if they're willing to wait it out a little longer.

I see this as incredibly valuable for solos too who could bleed them and then overwatch especially since they don't have backup. Also valuable as a team anytime to bleed and leave them when that icon goes red and you know you have a fight on hand now. Boss gets taken care of but everyone is available to fight now. As soon as it dies someone rushes inside to banish instead of staying inside to fight the boss.

Not to mention it would make another way to quietly kill off meatheads if someone was willing to hang out long enough for them to die.

[sick fern]

I disagree with that sentiment personally

[sand kiln]

@river zephyr your post has been deleted due to "trolling". Please keep the channel serious as stated in the guidelines pinned in #game-ideas

[median zephyr]

thats fair, but i think both the HV nerf and fmj nerf were justified, with maybe some outliars but i dont mind it at all

[river zephyr]

Touche. Hope you chuckled at least though

[sick fern]

I just don't think HV should've had its DMG touched

like it doesn't really make sense to me

[median zephyr]

idm its dmg touch, bc if it didnt, youd lose some ammo, thats absolutely nothing, its a longer range ammo that is better for headshots, not closer range body shots

[sick fern]

why you stack a grillion downsides to it

[median zephyr]

bc it was too strong and needed more of a downside

[vale cedar]

HV is fine too imo

[sick fern]

you could still give it downsides without crippling it

[median zephyr]

its not crippled at all

[vale cedar]

i think the best custom ammo is dum dum or spitzer

[median zephyr]

if you think HV is bad, i just will never agree, ive been using it a ton since the update

it just went from no brainer, to actual ups and downs

[sick fern]

I don't think its bad

I just don't think it needed so many nerfs

like shredding the actual High Velocity aspect of the round for guns like the Vetterli or Winnie

[median zephyr]

wym?

[sick fern]

the nerf to the actual muzzle velocity buff you got with HV

vetterli used to be on the same level as the Krag

now its like on par with the Mosin obrez

[median zephyr]

yea, but i dont think this is an issue, it was kinda crazy how much faster your bullets went, its still a considerable amount, and with bullet drop its nice

[rain spruce]

nowhere did i say assailant should be the only change. i said it should be the first they do, adding its power to a perk is good thing, because even if it's cheap, thats one less "good" perk you can take. there are more good perks than there are slots. its not remotely enough of a nerf, but it can help

[sick fern]

I mean it kinda is an issue when you consider all the other nerfs it got stacked ontop of it imo

[median zephyr]

i just dont agree its the way to nerf it, trait reliance is just kinda an eh way to balance things, id rather just nerf the numbers until its balanced with no trait reliance

[sick fern]

HV was just overnerfed imo. Leave the damage and recoil alone and it would've been fine

[median zephyr]

nah i just fully disagree, if it had the same dmg, just more velocity, wed be back to it just being a strict upgrade again, losing a few bullets and being custom ammo is nothing, and all custom ammo should have a downside, its a deliberate choice to take not "well id take normal anyway might as well HV"

[sick fern]

atleast bump up the actual velocity benefit

or give it back its old ammo reserve

you already farted on a lot of aspects on HV

atleast giving it some actual benefits would be nice

[median zephyr]

it does have a lot of benefits thats the thing, its a longer range ammo, that helps you land shots, less drop and more MV, which is still significant even if its not as much as it once was, is more than enough of an upside

and losing 4-5ish bullets on even things that carry TONS, is nearly nothing

[sick fern]

it barely changes drop and MV

especially for guns like the vetterli

or Winnie

doesn't it only help increase bullet drop off range by like 15m at most?

[sick fern]

scratch this btw Vetterli HV has worse MV than the Centennial Shorty

that's pretty ridiculous if you ask me

[median zephyr]

if you dont think an extra 100+ meters a second is significant, i just cant agree, this brings a gun like the vetterli, on par with the drilling, the sparks, and the mako, which are all considered VERY fast bullet wise

[median zephyr]

centennial is known for its HV, thats what it does

[sick fern]

still think a vetterli with HV should be atleast on par with the shorty

at the very least touch up the HV ammo types like on the nagant to be less crippling

[empty oasis]

this brings a gun like the vetterli, on par with the drilling, the sparks, and the mako, which are all considered VERY fast bullet wise

What?

[median zephyr]

if youre complaining about a difference is 30m/s in velocity, i think its a little overreacting, that 30m/s wont do much, and youre comparing it to one of the higher velocity guns, the vetterli normally is low, it helps it a lot

[median zephyr]

MV wise is what im talking about

vetterli HV, brings it to about there

only things that get faster is like some long ammos, spitzer, and cenni HV

which are obv the top eschelon of MV, but something being like 550 for example, is a fast bullet

[sick fern]

I guess that's fair

still stand by the fact that certain guns with HV got nerfed to harshly imo

[empty oasis]

No, 550 is a slow long ammo bullet, a quick but not astounding med bullet, and slightly better than a compact hv

[median zephyr]

yes when you compare it to long, they typically go 600, but that is still a fast bullet, overall

if you compare it only to its group, then obv its weird, theres not much medium guns, but were talking MV overall

[empty oasis]

with around 600m/s being long standard and 800+ being very fast, 550 is slow, but not very slow (looking at you martini)

[median zephyr]

550 is not that far off of 600, yes its worse, but its like the difference between lebel and mosin, its not much

of course if you compare your medium ammo gun to long, it looks bad, but its medium ammo, it helps it be a bit better

[empty oasis]

Difference in lebel and mosin is 15m/s

[median zephyr]

i know

[thin remnant]

hv did also get indirectly buffed with bullet drop keep in mind

[thin remnant]

martini is pretty much average if you look at the rest of the guns and not just meta, the slow ones are like, narmy

[empty oasis]

Look, I absolutely love the vet. I prefer it over anything else med tbh, but vet hv is the slowest med hv there is. Its not even remotely considered fast

[sick fern]

REAL

it should be bumped imo

[median zephyr]

yes it is, but i consider 510m/s to be fast, if you think only spitzer or 600m/s is fast thats fine, but my cutoff is usually around 500ish

bc people absolutely say the sparks is fast, and thats 533

[thin remnant]

510 is pretty fast, people are just used to long ammo bolt action and spitzer.
Meta isn't everything and not everything has to be meta

[empty oasis]

If you look at the entire range of mv then 500m/s is pretty much middle of the pack

[median zephyr]

400 is an eh bullet, its not trash but not good, 500 is fast, 600 is very fast, and 800 ish the fastest

[thin remnant]

show us ur source then
no genuinely im curious

[median zephyr]

the MV only goes up so high, no youe not competing with spitzer, but not many guns can

if were counting all guns, itll trend lower, most pistols are 300ish, besides the fast ones

[thin remnant]

so did you look through every gun in the game and put them into a calculator to get the average

i just think there may be some bias here from someone that only really uses/pays attention to high mv guns, but im not sure. im honestly curious here not trying to be rude

[empty oasis]

I dont think ive ever seen someone say that

[median zephyr]

i absolutely have, people have loved the sparks for eons

bc its fast high powered bullet, prob with some nice audio design in there

fast =/= fastest ever, im not saying its the fastest bullet

[empty oasis]

I didnt say they didnt love it, but since long ammo mv stopped being the same, sparks has been one of the slowest long ammo

[thin remnant]

#feedback-discussion message

[median zephyr]

you keep comparing it to only long, when most long is so fast, yes that makes it sound bad, but if you compare it to every gun, 533 is still fast

[empty oasis]

No, its still mid. Cenny hv completely leaves it in the dust, as does drilling, and even springfield is 615 or so

[thin remnant]

Those are fast too 😭

Compared to other fast options, sure it's mid
Is that a problem? maybe

[empty oasis]

It's fast compared to compact, compact hv, and normal med, sure, but all told its not a fast mv

[median zephyr]

yes when you compare it to one of the fastest guns obv its faster, thats like saying well mosin spitzer is way fatser then mosin, so mosin is slow

mosin is fast too, even without spitzer

[thin remnant]

does someone have the time to dig up the average mv

[median zephyr]

this all depends what kinda thing youre doing, itd prob be most fair to compare it to 3 slots, bc pistols will just skew it way down

[thin remnant]

yeah, do we count crossy and lance?

[median zephyr]

but at this point were arguing on semantics on when a bullet is suddenly fast, its not really a pointful argument

like if you think only 800 is fast, thats something, if you think 600 is fast thats something too

[sick fern]

I honestly would just bump up the Vetterli HV to Cenntenial levels or atleast Drilling levels of MV

[median zephyr]

its very close to drilling thats the thing

its 20m/s faster, thats nothing at this velocity

[empty oasis]

Vet hv is close to base drilling

[sick fern]

ok then it shouldn't be much of a balance problem to bump up the MV to the drilling

[median zephyr]

if it makes you feel better sure, its negligable

but if the difference in it feeling good is 20m/s for you, the downside is mostly mental and this is a feel good measure

[sick fern]

frankly I just think the nerf to the Vetterli's HV MV gain was too harsh

I don't think it would be a balance issue to bump it to base Cenntenial levels

[median zephyr]

an extra 90m/s is a big increase in this range, i think its fine as it is

would it be busted? no, but i dont think it needs it

[sick fern]

Personally I just think it would make sense

as a 3 slot rifle

if every other 3 slot medium ammo gun can have much faster bullets with HV then the Vetterli should too

especially since the Vetterli received the same HV nerfs all the other guns did

[median zephyr]

i get that, the vetterli is slower compared to its medium ammo cousins, but i dont think thats inherrently a bad thing, it makes differences, and maybe if youre looking for velocity, youd just enjoy a drilling or centennial more

[sick fern]

I use p much all guns in the game

[median zephyr]

bc lets say it did, why would i take a centennial now? for levering?

[sick fern]

I like the vetterli

[median zephyr]

same here

its my fav gun besides maybe lemat carbine

[sick fern]

and I like it having good HV ammo

[median zephyr]

thats the thing it is good, but youre trying to make a vetterli beat out things that are just faster, the vetterlis only real low point is its MV

[sick fern]

I don't see the Vetterli getting a MV closer to the centennial would somehow magically make the latter inferior

[median zephyr]

of course it would, the vetterli does more dmg, even keeping its 2 tap to arms unlike the centennial, if they both get the same velocity of 600- 725 with HV, i dont have much reason to take the centennial

unless i like the sniper scope, or levering

[thin remnant]

calculating the stats right now on wiki, but what is the actual mv of vetterli silenced? it says here both vetterli and vetterli silenced are 410 but that cant be right

[median zephyr]

280? hold on let me check dont quote me

but the vetterli doesnt even get mistreated from HV, most medium ammo guns get roughly 23% increase, which is about gets

[empty oasis]

wiki is outdated iirc and hasnt included the update changes

[thin remnant]

rules are no counting lance, crossbow or shotguns [and no special ammo cause im lazy and fmj and hv would probably just counteract eachother especially with dumdum]

[median zephyr]

yea our wiki is atrocious, if you REALLY want me to get an average ill do it later

[thin remnant]

welllllll damn

[median zephyr]

just time consuming for not much point

[thin remnant]

how much different will it be tho?

im not counting special ammo

have they really changed the actual mv of guns themselves

[median zephyr]

yea its 280

you cant trust the wiki period

just trust me

not saying NOTHING on there is right

its just a grab bag of when is the last time its been updated

for the longest time dolch still had 110dmg, and that was over 3 years after it was changed

[sick fern]

????

with HV it would do less dmg than base Cenntenial

[thin remnant]

wiki says the average is 471.05882352941 but it also says centennial has 600mv which im not sure about and that vetterli silencer has 410mv same as vetterli normal xd

but uh technically less than 500 ig? idk man i need a better source apparently

[sick fern]

not to mention you don't really need HV for the Cenntenial

so you get better ammo economy instead of trying to rely on finding special ammo boxes

[median zephyr]

what i did was take all the 3 slot rifles, and didnt do variants that didnt change mv (so no deadeyes bayonets etc) i completely didnt include medium slots, and the average MV is 459

if you include pistols, medium rifles, etc, this average will get worse

[thin remnant]

did you include special ammo

[median zephyr]

ahh so youre saying you want vetterli HV to match normal cenni, the way you worded it i thought you were saying the MV should just match the cenni with and without HV

[sick fern]

noooo

that would be mad stupid

[median zephyr]

no

[sick fern]

just make it match base cenntenial's MV (Vetterli with HV)

[median zephyr]

bc then i gotta count 1 vetterli, vetterli with HV, silencer, silencer with hv

[thin remnant]

thx bro

i mean that technically rounds up to 500 if youre rounding 50s so 🤷‍♂️
although i originally wasnt thinking only rifles, i see how thats fair

[median zephyr]

and then fmj and more and itd just be annoying

but i feel like i gave it a GENEROUS reading

no shotguns, all 3 slots, only rifles, not counting scopes and stuff

[thin remnant]

definetely a generous reading
i wonder if dumdum and fmj would move average down more than hv up?

[median zephyr]

if you include not rifles it goes into the dirt lmao

[thin remnant]

ye

new army alone ruins it

[median zephyr]

this is a good question, id assume not, but im not sure

[sick fern]

btw did the Vetterli's iron sights get any work done on them? Or was it only the silencers, Centennial, and Lebel?

my pc is p old so I can't really tell

[median zephyr]

i am not gonna say for certain, but the side posts look more silver, maybe thicker, however i KNOW it got an animation redo

its hard id have to compare it to a video pre update

[severe shell]

why is my suggestion about nerfing flare guns getting so many down votes? who the heck is out there advocating that flare pistol/fuses insta burning downed hunters is a good thing? no one liked it when they first made that change and its even worse now with the fire rework. its way to easy to erase hunters after they are knocked now, even when you knock from far away you can still insta burn with flare for no cost or risk to you

[thin remnant]

the one about making salveskin negate fuse and flare burning?

if thats the one: some people [including me, but i dont think i downvoted it], don't really like just making things trait reliant and causing inconsistency without actually fixing the core issue

[severe shell]

so maybe its the use of the trait that alot of the downvoters are disagreeing with? I can see where they are coming from, it would make slaveskin pretty much mandatory in duos and trios.

I really think flares and fuses should just loose the ability to light downed hunters completely, but I thought I'd make a more compromising and nuanced suggestion when I posted it. Should have stuck with my original wishes for the suggestion instead of sugar coating it lol

bottom line hunters shouldnt be able to smoke another player at 40-50 meters then immediately instaburn with a flare pistol, its bad gameplay and not what burning hunters was meant to accomplish in the first place.

[thin remnant]

yeah i absolutely agree

[unborn dagger]

It's genuinely not fitting for hunt either. It requires less risk, dedication, and choice making.

[queen jungle]

Bro hunt was one hell of a game to play with friends...
Shame can't play it no more 😭

[signal mural]

@restive kraken The initial blast radius for chokes can extinguish farther than the cloud radius which makes sense.

I had a funny experience where my body was laying between a fire patch & a billowing choke cloud... I got ignited & extinguished every few seconds. Crazy irritating for my teammate who threw the choke but funny to experience.

[signal mural]

You're not going to upgrade your rig?

[queen jungle]

It is upgraded bro it's a ps5 but since the update all I get is errors

Can't even get in the game

[signal mural]

Ah ok, I thought console users would all have access since there's little to no specifications.
Is it a well known issue in the PSN?

[queen jungle]

I don't know maybe it's servers ...
But I just deleted it for now
It's sad because the same thing happened with fallout 4 ps5 upgrade and I had to buy the game again .
Because nothing worked

[signal mural]

Sorry to hear. Hopefully they will sort it out soon.

[cloud monolith]

Fellow Hunters,

Sick of Crytek’s silence on crossplay invites? So am I.

It’s time to make them listen. I’m sending a formal letter demanding they update us on the crossplay invite system and addressing their potential violation of our rights under European law.

You can join me—sending the letter takes just 5 minutes. Let’s unite and force Crytek to give us what we’ve been waiting for.

Here’s the letter --> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TW2Cf-NkVczlyEnv8bJ_T7kkcCQq1R6cegLiHYd6B-4

[signal mural]

You all realize that's a change that takes time and isn't alone under Crytek's control, right?

[cloud monolith]

Yes.

[crystal plume]

Turning a request for a feature into some kind of legal issue sure is one way of going about it I guess

[undone crypt]

You do know this under no way remotely falls under your consumer protections and you are purely talking out your ass right?

[cloud monolith]

Thanks for the update, attorney

[tawny meadow]

Well, i mean, they are not wrong.

[knotty oak]

Dude have you ever thought about one thing? Maybe not really everyone wants things you hardly want?!?! I do not get it why people cry for Crossplay... In many shooter games before Hunt: Showdown this brought many new problems into these games. So it is valid to say: Shooter genres are not the best genres for crossplay. They even can harm a game a lot! I personally do not want this game to be ever crossplay but who am I to dictate Crytek...

[undone crypt]

Any time boi.

[thin remnant]

@primal maple you never really actually made a suggestion xd

[undone crypt]

I think he's asking for it to not be a burn trait. But yeah, he doesn't give a clear answer what his idea for the change is.

[thin remnant]

That could entail a lot of things.

Is it restored after banish or at the end of a match, for instance
Cause they did say they liked it being single use
But maybe they're saying they like single use but want it reverted anyway
Idk

But I get the rough idea I suppose
I'm not opposed to it

Probably refill after a match

[crystal plume]

I wouldn't be opposed to making necro rechargeable from looting hunters or such

[thin remnant]

It'd be fine

Imo a banish recharge would be interesting for sure

That way if you lose a Necro in early-mid game you're more incentivised to keep playing for banish instead of just leaving

[crystal plume]

Banish is too inconsistent, someone can spawn next to the boss and be done with it in the first minute of the match

[undone crypt]

I mean making it just single use instead of burn would be fine, wouldn't change the function at all, just not tax teams/solos for using it. And it would be pulled out of the Hellborn's drop pool since he only drops burn traits.

[crystal plume]

Which is why I also hated it being the only source of getting bars back originally

[thin remnant]

I think that's a whole other problem in itself xd

And as you said bar regain makes that even weirder

[crystal plume]

Burn traits and middle point help but honestly I'm not the biggest fan of how those play out either

[thin remnant]

A hunter loot refill could be interesting as long as the trait didn't get too strong again

[thin remnant]

Hell yeah get that out of his drop pool lmao

That's the biggest upside imo

[undone crypt]

Hunter loot refill might be a bit much, as a bush wookie could fight, get downed, loot one person out of a team, and be ready to get downed again.

[thin remnant]

Yeah if it's hunter refill caution would have to be taken

[undone crypt]

agreed, Necro should not be in his loot pool.

[thin remnant]

Hopefully rotty drops scarce traits when she comes back

[crystal plume]

I mean with these burn speed changes it would hardly be an issue even if solos also were able to refill necro by looting a hunter

[undone crypt]

Hunter refill is just too powerful, but I could see banish/restore being viable for restoring it, as those are harder to do.

[crystal plume]

Banish isn't hard, it's just luck

Do you or do you not spawn on the boss

Pretty much what it comes down to

[thin remnant]

Imo they should make boss spawns on the edge of the map less likely, so it's a rare occurrence that sometimes spices up gameplay.

Should not be as common as it is right now

[crystal plume]

That would just change people's playstyles to rush middle compounds first

So not really an ideal solution either

[thin remnant]

I think bosses should spawn more commonly near the middle but not so much that rushing the centre of the map is always the most viable option

[undone crypt]

well if you spawn on the boss, banish isn't going to mean a refill as you shouldn't have been downed yet, and linking it to restore gives use to the cache and remedy traits.

[thin remnant]

I want that in general tbh, not just for Necro refill XD

[crystal plume]

Cache is event exclusive and linking necro recharging to other traits is also gimmicky

[thin remnant]

Like just a tad not so extreme that it's a bumrush to the middle

I feel like 60-70% of bounties spawn on the edge but that may just be me

[crystal plume]

I don't think looting recharging it would be too strong at all in combination with the burn speed changes and such, if a solo messes up even once they are likely to be taken out of the match in under a minute unless they have salveskin

And even then it will be extremely quick

[thin remnant]

That's true

[crystal plume]

Only times when solos clutch those situations is when the teams mess up badly or are distracted by other teams anyways

[undone crypt]

necro was kind of linked to other traits before with salve skin and resilience not to mention relentless

[crystal plume]

Compatible rather than linked I'd say

[undone crypt]

It's more a Solo can trade, get up, loot, recharge, and go out seeking to trade again right away

exciting for the solo, might be a bit BS for everyone else.

[crystal plume]

So you are basing the argument entirely around trading instead?

[undone crypt]

I'm picturing how this change would play out in matches

[crystal plume]

Like come on, sure trading is annoying and can sometimes feel too common but it's not the norm in average gameplay

[thin remnant]

In this scenario we are keeping the full restore thing yes

[undone crypt]

It's not eht norm cause trading isn't always rewarded, you die after all, but this change would heavily reward solos for trading

[thin remnant]

Some people would like to disagree with you (not me)

I think they're saying it would be, because the solo would look to trade? Idk

[undone crypt]

though that might be preferable over them only being rewarded for bush sniping.

hard to say actually. I just see it as something that could face heavy abuse

not to mention dragging out big team fights as people keep getting remote revived endlessly, which I thought the change to necro and burn was trying to avoid.

[crystal plume]

And how often in those big fights do you have all of the bodies accessible to you or an enemy isn't watching the person you are trying to necro leading you to wasting it or not having the range to do so if they died too far and you're being held up by enemies or anything else

[bold quarry]

Just make it refill after the match

[crystal plume]

The fights are rarely as black and white in Hunt as you make it sound like

Hence why I don't think that even in the case of bad actors trying to abuse it it would be too strong

As the amount of times it would work in their favor are miniscule

[undone crypt]

I disagree on the amount being "miniscule" but I'm not claiming it would be constant either.

I'm just pointing out things that could potentially become problems.

Plus recharge on loot would lead to the anti-solo brigade screaming like a stuck pig endlessly till it was changed anyway.

I mean hell, it could be taken in steps, start with refill on restoration and adjust from there as needed

Honestly if they want people to play more aggressively, one change I've seen suggested is make Death Cheat a cost 6 trait. Without people being scared of losing their hunter people would be far less likely to run or hide all the time.

[bold quarry]

How about setting the revives to 2 instead of 1 for solos?

After 2 revives, it still burns out?

[undone crypt]

No, then teams got to killo a solo, watch him burn, kill him when he stands at the last second, and then watch him burn all over again just to wait to kill him again.

[bold quarry]

So back to pre-update?

Nice. That was a good time

[undone crypt]

Worse cause pre update their bars stayed burned

[bold quarry]

Roasting marshmellows over a triple killed solo

[undone crypt]

exactly, boring, lets not do that.

[bold quarry]

So keep the 1 revive but maybe not make it a burn trait. Just one that refills after surviving the round?

[undone crypt]

that was the first idea.

and that one I think could be approved with the least amount of people whining about it after

[bold quarry]

Refilling it during the match just sounds like a hassle. And if a solo gets killed, teams will start camping them again

[undone crypt]

plus people using it to derank MMR

[bold quarry]

Since you never know if they died once already or not

[bold quarry]

Don't wanna get this shit again.

Little fckers deranked to my 2 lobby only to serve headshots after headshot

[undone crypt]

exactly, lets leave it at one, just remove the burn part, since that also pulls it out of Hellborn's drop table

Little fuckers with endless headshots I also wonder about aim bots.

[bold quarry]

possible

[undone crypt]

Like a guy getting three headshots in a row with nitro through wheat and two walls, yes I watched it happen before.

Obvious cheats are obvious

Not that Crytek bothers to do much about cheaters.

[crystal plume]

[undone crypt]

Like why hide player names if they aren't trying to support cheaters?

That's a real question, I want any legit reason for the player names to be hidden.

[crystal plume]

Just don't hide them yourself then?

It's an option

[undone crypt]

I have show player names selected in the setting, but they are still hidden unless I hit tab, and even then I only see names of players I killed/killed by or that picked up a bounty or extracted. And again, WHY WERE THEY HIDDEN AT ALL? What legit reason do they have for hiding the names. that's still the question.

[crystal plume]

It's ideal for streamers, and some people prefer the anonymity in general over seeing [DEATH]Xx_HardcoreHunter_xX pick up the bounty

[undone crypt]

Scenario that happened to me. I fought a player who had a chain pistol he could rabid fire the crowbows dragon bolts with and since he didn't kill me and I didn't kill him, I couldn't find out his name.

[crystal plume]

That doesn't stop you from reporting them

!report

[marsh garden]

If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab in your Last Mission section on the home page. Select the player -> Open Profile -> Report. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can find out how to reach out to official support here: #customer-support

Please note that you can still report people even if you don't have their SteamID by providing your own SteamID, time of the incident with a time zone and region. Hiding statistics/profiles does not prevent reporting.

[crystal plume]

As outlined in the text in bold

And I would also love to see a clip of this rapid fire dragon bolt incident considering an exploit like that was found and reported by my friend already like 3 years ago and was patched back then, haven't seen a single instance of similar cases since then

Walls and aimbots still exists as always but outright changing projectiles that your weapon shoots hasn't been seen in years

[undone crypt]

Happened over a month ago so before the update.
I don't record my games so I don't have a video.

I do remember they were on the hunter black coat, but that hardly helps for shit.

I still think all players names should be visible at the end of matches though.

Not just the ones who touched bounties or kill/death

[idle shuttle]

Hi, I have a problem with "hunt" when I launch the game, I have just a black screen and sound but nothing else

[dusky tapir]

@flat fog terminus handcannon. That's where you saw it

[flat fog]

yes! is it one of those "1% chance to see" animations?

[dusky tapir]

nah, I think it's either all partial reloads or partial reload from empty

there's a way to trigger it consistently I just don't remember which

[flat fog]

oh yeah, explains some to me then. im very economic with reloads when it comes to shotguns thats why i never saw it

i'd rather walk the map than lose a shell

[pearl adder]

they fix problems whi amd or no?

[neat meadow]

Since normal buckshot got buffed (and slugs) what about other off meta shotgun ammo, sure penny shot is more of a pve/funi amuniton, but how about flechete there is no point picking it over normal ammo heck even it was nerfed with less bleeding

[flat fog]

nope, still cant play

i guess it takes time fixing cuz they said theyre aware

But yeah doesnt change that we're barred away until its gone and unfortunately the steam review 🙃

[urban night]

2 bear traps and I'm dead

like wtf?

new update or wtf is this

80 dmg for 1 beartrap?

[remote ore]

yes it's the new trap "meta"

[urban night]

jesus

[cloud monolith]

Time to get you new glasses buddy. I never said anything about the lack of crossplay. My letter is regarding the lack of an invite system for console players (xbox and ps5)

Maybe actually read before shit talking

[hot vigil]

@flat fog that animation is already in the game ;)

[primal maple]

@obsidian sparrow this is probably just due to them reworking the hunter to the new engine, I'd wait until they have release a statement

[torn quiver]

@paper belfry I was using lawful and Demented pacts only because i saw restore and berserker more worth but after using surefoot i fell in love with it too. would love to see it stay in game but maybe not as strong as it is now

[sand kiln]

@obsidian sparrow

[onyx steppe]

In Dark Tribute, when will they fix the bug that gives only half of Bloodborne?

[crystal plume]

Afaik it's not a bug of them only giving half but rather the game showing the double of what you are supposed to get UI wise

[chilly nova]

@buoyant dust It's funny. Every now and then I come back here to see how things are going since I quit.

The burn speed (and flare spamming) is one that I warned everyone about, and gave loads of feedback on. Now that they've made this change, people are finding out I was 100% right about that being a bad change. It sounds just like what I said: campers camp more and just abuse burning instead of having good gunfights.

[hybrid forum]

btw spooky, do you know when's the next hotfix releasing? thursday like usual?

[sand kiln]

No idea

Sadly no ETA for the time being

[signal mural]

The developer video blogs seem to be less frequent and less concretely informative. It'd be nice to see them make a resurgence.

[hybrid forum]

they were only there to tease us the engine upgrade and break the silence between the updates

[signal mural]

I figured but now more then ever it would be encouraging to hear less hype and more details about anticipated features returning to the game.

[thin remnant]

This isn't the first time you've come in here to say "I told you so" xd
And yeah I've had the same opinion since a long time I agree

[hot vigil]

A classic, thought the exactly same, even left a feedback about "increased speed is fine, but then remove burn back to firebombs/laterns only".
Yet here we are.
Just like the Sparks Pistol announcement.

[spice trout]

I just don't understand why these things aren't tested on the test server anymore. I personally don't have a problem with the burn rate but a lot of people just don't like it.

[hot vigil]

Bc weapons, pacts and custom ammo became "content" for the battlepass.
So we cannot spoil it for the masses.
That said, test servers are still used from time to time as far I understand.

[spice trout]

Ok so don't add that to the server just change the numbers on the burn rate? I haven't seen the test server used in a looonng time

[hot vigil]

Think it is tested more internally now, like streamers gets invited and whatnot.

[spice trout]

Ah yes a smaller pool of higher tier MMR people testing usually is a good thing.

[hot vigil]

Streamers comes in many different skill levels :)
But yeah it is a limited pool and if you hear streamers like RachtaZ I don't think they are affecting a lot of things that goes live haha

Bc he doesn't seem to enjoy high level "meta", yet it is the same ol' for like 6 years now

[west hill]

I think Crytek should fuck up the game even more

[tepid geode]

If you dont finish weekly challenges for one week can you go back and complete them for the rewards later?

[carmine needle]

yes

[tiny pivot]

can confirm yes you can because i haven't done them and i'm still getting rewards late

[storm pendant]

#game-ideas message

I like it but bleed does nit need any assistance. It’s already super strong

@flat fog The flip-action is reserved for empty reloads on the terminus

[random iron]

Are the dangling sound traps supposed to have hitboxes? Ive had my spear and crossbow cucked by them

I don't remember this happening in earlier versions

[hot vigil]

Yes :)

[random iron]

cringe

[tepid geode]

Thank you for the info!

[storm pendant]

Idk if it’s intentional but they do have them. Deagonsbreath gets massively screwed overby ut

[tame hemlock]

fuck your shit game, tired of disconnecting and dropping out from freeze crashing

[heavy crescent]

Is there any way you guys are going to add a in game friends system so I can invite my friends on other console the only way me and my friends can play is to randomly search

[rotund obsidian]

@celest spindle #feedback message There's nothing wrong with that? It's a distinction being made, you aren't revived "to full hp" since you're limited by missing bars in most cases when revived. However, you can be revived with full hp if you happen to have all your bars (through relentless or some sort of banish happening while you're downed) so in some cases, it is up to full hp.

[celest spindle]

"up to" is supposed to be used for instances where amounts are clarified, for example: "up to 50 damage" or "up to 125 HP". but i guess in your case of missing healthbars it makes sense, but it would still mean the same thing - since even with 1 healthbar less, that would be your full (current) HP nonetheless

[rotund obsidian]

I believe 'full' is being used as 150 here

I think it used to say 'up to 100 health' back before it got buffed

[mossy fractal]

guys i literally got infinite poison

[empty oasis]

Multiple posts have been removed as they were feedback. If you'd like to give game feedback, please do so in the ⁠#feedback channel

If you have an idea for the game and you'd like to leave feedback, then post the idea in ⁠#game-ideas and the feedback in ⁠#feedback. Don't combine them into your idea.

Add as many details to your ideas as you can, but leave the extra opinions off so that the ideas are easily digestible and can be voted on accurately

[thin remnant]

i think having another effect other than just seeing through walls would be more interesting to differentiate it from poison sense

like it amplifies the bleeding sound or smth, idk
you can see their bloody footsteps in darksight maybe [but that sounds kinda weak]

@wild verge so you want a pitchfork skin for the throwing spear?

[unborn dagger]

Nah, stuff like bleed shouldn't get anything like that. They're already good at giving pressure.

[thin remnant]

I do agree

thought id give my take if it had to be a thing anyway xd

[coral monolith]

Feedback... right

so let's began with a feedback from a player that barely plays 1 hour a day... that Hunt Showdown was a fun game to relax after a hard work day. Now.. for no reason other than populate the lobbies of 6 star pro players, they shoved us there as a meat grinder to please the 6 star niche. Last 5 games I played I saw 3 5 stars and that's it. And also the burning time. If the excuse was to speed up the game, congratulations. The partner doesn't have time to plan the rescue, he just have to rush to the body and get headshot from the 6 star that instaburn and sit watching the body. And I'm not even touch the UI.. it's laughable.

[unborn sandal]

@tardy prairie the only major buff to shotguns was the two slot handcannons which got slight range buffs. The reticle getting smaller on all shotguns was just a graphical thing. The spread has always been that tight and was misrepresented pre update

[coral monolith]

So they ruined the game for the average player and the frustration is enormous, because it was a game that I enjoyed.. but it's not playable for me anymore.. I don't have the time to invest 3 to 4 hours a day to try to compete with a loby that I wasn't suppose to be playing at.

[median zephyr]

id also like to add the terminus with levering but for the other 3 slots yea

[unborn sandal]

Levering was a separate buff though

[rotund obsidian]

still a buff to a shotgun at the end of the day (assuming it actually affects terminus, which idk i havent tried it)

[median zephyr]

^ this is my point, yes it wasnt an overall buff to all shotguns, but terminus is still a shotgun

[unborn sandal]

Yeah but the guy didn’t say the terminus spread is too tight he’s saying they buffed shotguns as a whole: #game-ideas message

[median zephyr]

yes, but you said the only major update to shotguns was to the 2 slots, which youre correct about, just wanted to add the terminus levering buff is also significant

im just adding more context to the shotgun buffs, obv im not saying all shotguns got their spread reduced by about 50%

[rotund obsidian]

they did buff shotguns as a whole, even the three-slots