feedback-discussion

[vocal cradle]

they knew people hate this kinda ui

[lean estuary]

I guess not

[vocal cradle]

there not gonna undo the ui

[spice trout]

Have you tried using VRR?

[lean estuary]

I really thought if they ever changed the UI it would be a cool in world thing, like the Hunters Desk…never thought they’d do this

[spice trout]

Hunters desk would actually be really awesome 👍

[raw vessel]

what is that?

[bronze dirge]

do you still get a bonus for first extract of the day?

[spice trout]

It dynamically changes your monitors refresh rate to that of the games fps.

[bronze dirge]

for each character

[raw vessel]

@spice trout uh never heard of it, but if its my only hope ....

[spice trout]

Trust me it's a game changer

Can be tricky to setup

[raw vessel]

where do I get it from

[junior pasture]

Love the new map and even the wild target but the UI/UX is actually shockingly bad 😆

[nova geyser]

Every game I have ever played that the devs try to cater the game to Console from PC always ends up dieing a fast death. I hope this game isnt next.

You can tell they really tried to make the UI for console players

[spice trout]

Go to display settings inside windows, go to the bottom of the window to graphics settings, enable variable refresh rate. Most monitors support it now but you might run into issues if you're using an HDMI cable and not display port

[hot vigil]

I mean, the devs said it themselves lol

[raw vessel]

@spice trout

[hot vigil]

Sorry to butt in on this topic, but what monitor do you use? :)
I might be able to help a little too

[nova geyser]

Has a dev even commented on the amount of UI complaints yet?

[raw vessel]

I cant find such a setting ~

[craggy oxide]

console players were unhappy)

[formal hatch]

Console players want the old UI

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil good question,it says iiyama on it

[hot vigil]

naw they german, they eepy, they gonna wake up in 3 hours have a meeting and look at data, if we lucky we'll get a statement later today, otherwise on monday

[nova geyser]

regardless of what console players feel im just saying, in my years of gaming every game that goes from PC and try to cater towards console the game ends up just dieing. I just hope history doesnt show to be true with this game

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil supposedly a gaming monitor, but with only 67 khz / 60 hz refresh rate

[formal hatch]

I feel like they just used console as a scapegoat.

There are lots of different UIs on console that are leagues beyond what they released, UIs that work great on both PC and console

[hot vigil]

Oh Never heard about that haha well...
Right click desktop -> Display setting -> Scroll down -> click "Advance Display Settings" -> what does it say under "Refresh rate"

[stiff valley]

Since day one when they announced that they had crunched the numbers and knew they were going to leave behind a decent size of the player base I wondered why and who is this for?

[raw vessel]

it says 60 hz

no other option

[hot vigil]

oka oka
Before we try anything crazy, one of those "home remedy" of solving desync is to run the game in borderless window.

[nova geyser]

they ever going to let us ready up with a random 3rd player?

[amber stirrup]

This is honestly the most difficult UI I've ever seen in any game. The old way was way easier and simpler. Adding and removing items is painful.

[craggy oxide]

Is it really impossible to turn on VSync through the control panel Invidia/Adrenaline from AMD in Hunt?

[velvet grotto]

I'm hoping by tmrw they put something out, bc today alone their game took a major hit. I've never seen so many negative reviews

[hot vigil]

I'd rather try to see if either borderlees or borderless + triple buffer works

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil I tried well, you know lowered the resolution as well, still the same - I really need vsync and with hunt it worked just fine before

[hot vigil]

Resolution shouldn't really do anything.

[formal hatch]

@stiff valley new players with no old UI to compare with = new money,
Notice how the single largest button in the game is a fat BB Ad

Notice how almost all things that could generate BB's from just playing the game have been slowly removed

[hot vigil]

or affect anyting

[amber stirrup]

the high ping I don't hold against them. I know that can happen on the first day of a new map. But this UI disaster was intentional.

[chrome gust]

Please add Legacy UI option for PC players this new UI is genuinely so confusing and it feels really cumbersome to navigate it

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil oh, then you havent struggled with cheap gpu-s before, back in the days playing on low resolution was easy fps booster

[hot vigil]

What gpu do you use?

[velvet grotto]

I don't understand the engine change to begin with. was it really needed? @raw vessel

[formal hatch]

I have a genuine question to pc players, if you find the UI cumbersome how do you think it will be an ounce less cumbersome on console?

[thin remnant]

wtf youre right

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil gtx 1070 bought gpu upgrades twice in the past 4 years just because of my passion for hunt, and it seems like I need to spend more for new monitor too

[thin remnant]

its so inconsistent but it burns at 40m now what

[craggy oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[hot vigil]

Not to GPU shame you, but sounds like you need a real GPU upgrade

[craggy oxide]

I won't even name my model 💀

[raw vessel]

no, I need better monitor because of screen tearing

[velvet grotto]

Remember the days when Crytek actually put things out on a test server for the community to test to see if their work would be compadable with our pc's?

[hot vigil]

Ma'am, 1070 is like one summer day from frying with Hunt :V

[raw vessel]

hunt is poor shaming us right now

@hot vigil it worked fine for me >:d

[velvet grotto]

@raw vessel i have a 2080 super and mine is barely keeping tabs with Hunt now

[hot vigil]

Okay, find the Nvidia logo in the corner of your desktop -> Click Control Panel

[raw vessel]

okay

[formal hatch]

Gtx1070 is not a bad GPU, it is like what, only 15% behind a 3050 in performance?
Although newer gpus have better support for DLSS if you like to upscale your games and pretend they look nice

[hot vigil]

Then under "manage 3D settings" you should find Triple Buffering, turn that on

[chrome gust]

Seriously this new UI is horrible

[raw vessel]

well okay

[craggy oxide]

hmm, my friend plays on 1060, and he has a stable 60 fps. Unless, of course, he hasn't secretly updated his PC. True, he can use FSR, although I don’t think so.

[hot vigil]

Running Borderless AND triple buffering might fix it :)

[raw vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc5-gif-14000810

[velvet grotto]

@formal hatch If that was the case than Hunt is set for those only running 4070 for top settings assuming a 1070 is in comparison with the 3050

[hot vigil]

And ofc run vsync off in the game then.

Hope it helps :)

[formal hatch]

Of course newer gpus should outperform older ones but that is not always the case, it all depens on how they are used

[distant snow]

mine is running like garbage and I think its cpu limited, and unfortunely almost none of the settings actually help the cpu at all

[formal hatch]

If you dont use DLSS then you dont have any benefit in getting hardware that supports DLSS, for example

[hot vigil]

My 2070/5600x setup is not handling hunt well, but I do plan to upgrade my GPU soon

[hexed creek]

this was a bigger shange than I thought it would be... I can see why the UI change but make it an option to tirn it off or on if its going to be so drastic

[hardy verge]

Oh god, all i wanted from new UI is hunters presets with items, perks and healthbars. I wanted to search new game with just few clicks.

Now im really afraid to die, cause i feel nothing but fear to this ui. Pure nightmare, i cant equip what i want without 20 extra clicks and 2 minutes.

AND I DONT WANT TO GET USED TO THIS DOGSHIT. im done

[mint star]

truth being spit rn

but there is no getting used to it, it's objectively a bad UI design

[hot vigil]

@raw vessel did it work? :>

[craggy oxide]

I tried my best to avoid the last sentence when describing the new interface, but you did it for me 😄

[raw vessel]

@hot vigil I'm trying to launch a match but I disconnected during the loading in and doesnt let me reconnect - then I just spammed escape, but nothing happened, so I closed the game and when re-opened it, then my small brain realized the game asking me to confirm if I really want to escape the match and because I spammed escape, it closed the dialogue and asked me again

didnt fix it btw

[hot vigil]

Aw shucks, then I'll send you to #troubleshooting

Best of luck and sorry I couldn't be of help!

[raw vessel]

I let a player kill me cause I entered without guns

[reef crane]

Update is legit good. UI is probably the worst functional thing i've ever encountered in my entire life. it actually fights you at every turn, every window has less information than previously and is twice the size. Lists do not work on the horizontal. Just the absolute worst

[nova geyser]

whats with the event traits just randomly disapearing from the traits?

[hardy verge]

i feel physical pain and discomfort from this ui, worst i ever seen.

[nova geyser]

like in the list of traits sometimes they are there and sometimes they are gone so random. I know i cant buy them but it moves the location of the traits

[spice trout]

This UI is awful. Menus inside menus. I'll take a spreadsheet over this.

[pearl ridge]

Nah.

[craggy oxide]

It would be better to have an excel table, but all the information would be in one window, than what we have now...

[reef crane]

also when buying a hunter it switches to the previous hunter for some reason, Esc should never toggle between 2 useless windows in a loop of disfunction, saving trait sorting by price doesn't save so you load a separate window just to do that every time... get outa here with this garbage and revert it

[mint star]

it's about 19 menus to launch the game, go to your hunters, pick one you already owned, build your full load out and go into a match

[nova geyser]

I bet the one dev that said this UI was dog shit got fired. Tomorrow they are going to send him an email asking him to come back.

[spice trout]

And another menu to select the weapon skin...all that to show you extra weapons skin so you can buy them...by going into another menu to purchase a dlc.

[mint star]

yep

[reef crane]

If i created this UI at work i'd fire myself

[mint star]

you can easily get about 30 menus and who even knows how many clicks to get back into a match with a fresh hunter. And that's if you don't make a mistake going to the wrong menu

just doing normal shit you would do

[spice trout]

Whatever man, I hope it was worth the redesign for a barely existing console player base.

[gritty light]

Next stop Overwhelmingly negative

[hybrid patrol]

Do we have hard numbers for the average/concurrent console player count? I'm curious

[raw vessel]

@spice trout couldnt fix problem

[mint star]

it's not even for console. this is mobile game UI design

[spice trout]

Nope but I can tell you no one on my friends list on PSN doesn't play hunt

[hybrid patrol]

It makes sense if it was for console. Pressing F and X and Backspace in menus would be easy controller inputs, and the BIG icons are for someone looking at a TV screen ten feet away. Why some things are inconsistently tiny is beyond me, but this clearly was designed for people on TVs.

[mint star]

they don't get a cursor, and the button to change hunter, and to start the match is the same button

and they have just as many menus. It's terrible on console too

[distant snow]

I love the new map but it is unplayably laggy for me, it gets down to what feels like 14 fps in some bases

[hybrid patrol]

This is what happens when you get a techbro / software engineer / "professional UX designer" who chases trends and """modern design""" as if it's an indicator of usability or quality. I remember back years ago we had this mindset that "we NEED to incorporate [some ux feature] even if 1: it wasn't needed in the app and 2: it would actively make the app harder to use. "It's modern." "everyone else is using it, so we have to" are legitimate mindsets these people have and it's mind numbing.

[mint star]

def could use some optimization . I gotta play on all low 1440p, with a 5800X3D 32gb of B Die ram, and a 3070, just to get 130fps, and i get frequen frame drops to about 90-100

[distant snow]

mine sits at around 120 then in some bases just jumps off a cliff to as low as reported 24 but if feels like 5

[sick parrot]

cant view last mission details?

[pearl ridge]

I went to bed yesterday and I had hoped that this was some sort of bad dream. Turns out - it wasn’t.

[dense pasture]

idk, the UI really isn't that bad.

[mint star]

that is wild

[pearl ridge]

Bam. Statement.

[lean estuary]

TY for saying

[edgy raven]

I can´t ping in game, and sometimes when I open map my game crash.

[storm pendant]

I'm having so much fun running around interviewing people instead of fighting

[edgy raven]

Frs looks like sht, all pixel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416983158534307845/1273836442430210048/image.png?ex=66c01022&is=66bebea2&hm=bebeb5c0f3c32d06aaefbeaa401529cf14171fd05b49ed25eb5c1eca2732df24&

[hot vigil]

"Isn't that bad" is still an admittance it is bad.
And even if it "isn't that bad" it is still worse than what we had.

[empty oasis]

@frail lynx #game-ideas message
Are you talking about the modern stainless 1895 that was introduced in 2009?

[mint star]

these UI issues were brought up 2 months ago and it still launched like this

[hot vigil]

You can get some feedback from my friend on console (which it was made for):

It’s like a bad NES game where it looks bad to control, but if you don’t have the controller in your hand, you have no fucking idea

[storm pendant]

This is fair but unless we can figure out crossplay it'll be hard to use that in the video

[hot vigil]

That is true haha
Just thought it was very funny way of describing the wonkyness of the UI

[dense pasture]

let me illustrate: your right, it's bad. but honestly so was the other one. after fucking around with these menus for about 10 minutes I cannot find anything that makes me go "GOLLY I WANT THE OLD ONE BACK". Could they make improvements? sure. will this work just as well? absolutely

[storm pendant]

So far every single person I've asked has said they hated the UI

[spice trout]

Are you using dlss or FSR?

[hybrid patrol]

See my comment above. Arrogant techbros don't care about end users. They chase trends.

[storm pendant]

Wanna help me conduct interviews?

[hot vigil]

I'll take the old one any day, it just needed easy bar respec, legendary hunters in grib view and drag and drop. Then you could do everything with the mouse only.
The amount of screenspace given up for nothing with the new system is staggering and the amount of menu-in-menu is also wasted with the new system.

[hybrid patrol]

That sounds pretty fun ngl

[hot vigil]

Sorry I am eepy

[hybrid patrol]

I love how they actually made respecing bars harder somehow. instead of being able to spam click to quickly remove or add bars (albeit on different screens) they added in a weird delay to it.

[mint star]

just spam q and e, it's the simplest way to do it

[rose cedar]

Guys, you REALLY need to bring back somehow the old UI. Now we can barely see the PRESTIGE badge (which look really nice). We can't see the enemies/friends KD (which is awful), the screen where we got the hunters is really bad. And please, fix the graphics. They are either blur or granular sparkling (with anti aliasing off) which seems to be a bug that needs to be fixed in the same way last patch we had to add the command in the steam to fix it.

[storm pendant]

Wouldn't mind having a cameraman/bodyguard

[hybrid patrol]

add me on steam/disc

[edgy raven]

my 1080 ti cant use dlss it get off automatically, i use noone, when i use Frs it looks pixel and very bad

[hybrid patrol]

Actually I need to hit the hay soon, i've got work in the AM

[edgy raven]

that image was frs on

[storm pendant]

Awww, nw man

[hybrid patrol]

tomorrow tho

lmk

[mint star]

they implemented really old versions of DLSS and FSR

DLSS is 2.3.1 version, the latest DLSS is 3.7

[thin remnant]

Is anyone else constantly getting disconnected?

[edgy storm]

well, at least u can play a game, unlike me and my friends

[broken tinsel]

i like the UI now

[mint star]

I'm waiting on my friends 😭

[spice trout]

Did you try messing with the antialiasing? Also you can go to the Nvidia control panel and setup sharpening. That's what I had to do, setting it to 7% did the trick.

[edgy storm]

we tried to play yesterday on release, both getting kicked out of the lobby before even getting to the loading screen

[storm pendant]

While you're waiting, wanna conduct some interviews with the incredibly savoury and not-at-all violent population of Hunt?

[mint star]

Yeah i've seen some screen shots of EU players suuuffering. having every error in match and like 50k ping

[edgy storm]

no, we don't even get to that point

[edgy raven]

i will try messing antialiasing? My pc is on spanish can do you explain me a bit about sharpening please ?

[mint star]

Don't think i'll have time before they get on for all thatlol

[storm pendant]

Nw man

[edgy storm]

it goes like this: we ready up, 5 second countdown finishes, 10-15 seconds until match found, failure to matchmake and getting kicked out of the lobby

[mint star]

thats annoying af

[edgy raven]

what number should i put there?

(it is an image from internet not my pc)

[spice trout]

Sharpen to 7%

[edgy raven]

thx you

[sick parrot]

can you not see last match statistics

[edgy raven]

i will try

[spice trout]

Hope it works, good luck

[sick parrot]

i cant

[spice trout]

Are you hitting escape?

It's in the main main menu

[unborn sandal]

@frail lynx how would the marlin be functionally any different than any of the lever actions we currently have. Most new weapons are supposed to have a niche of some sort

[modern trail]

Cant Look in Game what my Traits does on console because of leck of the Cursor.

[unique hedge]

the new UI is making me actually dizzy from just 2hrs of playing

[thin remnant]

text chat is so hard to read now i dislike it

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bKzYE.gif

[edgy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/you-better-get-used-to-it-guinan-star-trek-the-next-generation-deal-with-it-gif-23455374

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bKzYE.gif

wr?

[mint star]

lmao

[spice trout]

That is actually hilarious 😆

[mint star]

Know what else is funny? If you're grouped up and one of the other 2 players are in the menus where it shows your stats while you're in the trait screen... everytime you pick a trait it kicks them out of their menu

W UI update

[modern trail]

Bug reported?

[mint star]

I haven't reported it yet no. Don't wanna overloard em, they have enough of a task on their hands as it is

[modern trail]

@mint star do IT. IT will get in the list. Maybe Not Prior...

[mint star]

that bug could stay in the game forever if it meant their focus would be UI improvements, its an inconsquential bug like 90% of the time cause who wants to go through all the menus to get to their stats, that don't even show player kills anymore

[thin remnant]

WAIT HOLY SHIT THEY BUFFED MEDIUM AMMO?

FINALLY

[pearl ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-accordion-gif-8064266313078423585

[mint star]

Spencer carbine is a medium ammo lever action rifle that does 145 damage

do what you will with this information

[thin remnant]

yeah its balanced imo. slow reload and extremely slow velocity

it feels amazing though i love it

[pearl ridge]

What in the name of Jesus Christ.

[thin remnant]

#feedback-discussion message

[mint star]

huuuuuh

[thin remnant]

its more balanced than youd think

it has like, 300m/s velocity

and bad drop

[pearl ridge]

Ahh okay.

[thin remnant]

well, the reload is fast from empty, but its slow to reload a small amount of ammo due to the wonky mechanism. pretty cool and unique imo.

[mint star]

still tho. it absolutely doinks chests

[thin remnant]

yeah its epic

[mint star]

i mean i love the gun but

[lean estuary]

Yeah, check out videos of a real spencer, that tracks…fat 50 cal, slow bullet

[thin remnant]

its good for people who know how to lead, mosin spitzer users..? not so much

[mint star]

why What about Springfield 1866, or Martini Henry

[thin remnant]

martini henry is long ammo.

and two ammo slots.

same with springfield having two ammo slots

although springfield always sucked xd

and both have MUCH faster velocity [and reload if the 1895 isnt empty, then spring and martini are much faster]

[mint star]

spencer is completely stepping on both of their toes

[lean estuary]

The real ones are also all swifts…you just use extra ammo sleeves to refill the butt mag

[thin remnant]

read my messages

[mint star]

i mean yea but it still seems a bit much

and at $70

[thin remnant]

use it in-game first

pretty sure its not unlocked until event right

or is it already

[thin remnant]

#feedback-discussion message

[mint star]

i did

[thin remnant]

ah okay

maybe youre just really good at leading lol

[mint star]

its pretty fuckin nasty

[thin remnant]

or play close range

[mint star]

i mean not always but like in compound distanced

[thin remnant]

nasty sure, but i wouldnt say overpowered.

[mint star]

like around 30-60 meters

[thin remnant]

look at the cycle time, what is it, 1.8 seconds?

[mint star]

it's an absolute animal

[thin remnant]

martini reload is like, 2 seconds

[mint star]

yeah thats the same as single shot pistols

matini is 3.5

[thin remnant]

is it?

[mint star]

yeah

[thin remnant]

are you reload cancelling

[mint star]

i am now

how tf do i do that

[thin remnant]

just before the reload animation ends when the ammo icon in the bottom right becomes white, switch weapon then switch back

im pretty sure they didnt remove it in engine update but they mightve

[mint star]

gameplay exp +200

[thin remnant]

lol

some weapons dont need it though

good to learn what weapons are faster with it and what arent

[mint star]

im a single shot boy and have been living in the dark ages apparently

[thin remnant]

tell me if they patched it out <3

but its a well known technique from the devs so not an exploit or anything

[mint star]

i rock springfield, sparks, and martini like 70% of the time

[thin remnant]

lol that explains your worry about the 1895 XD

as a fellow single shot enjoyer, i think its balanced

it doesnt get levering either p sure

[mint star]

i'll have to learn to implement reload cancelling

[pearl ridge]

I now know what the UI reminds me of. It’s the red dead online game selection screen.

[pearl ridge]

That is sooooo useful.

[sick parrot]

statistics are just greyed out for me

[mint star]

are you in a group already? deuce should be getting on soon

[thin remnant]

im testing right now idk if it helps on the martini

[mint star]

😭

[thin remnant]

i think it makes it slower on martini D;

okay they didnt patch it out tho

let me send an example on a gun that it works on

[sick parrot]

i am

[mint star]

aight

[thin remnant]

@mint star

[mint star]

will def be doin this

[thin remnant]

make sure to figure out what guns it works with though xd
it really helps on certain ones but on some it hurts

[lean estuary]

Innnnterestingggg

[spring bridge]

Answering super late, but sometimes even as a developer you go "hey this might be bad" and whoever is in charge goes "I know more" and thats where it ends until the players have a chance to actualy try it

[pearl ridge]

Well, I question: Does the rarity of the skins change anything or is it just some tag and color?

[near citrus]

this ui developer must be kicked from ctyket

[sick parrot]

anyone have this problem? last match stats is not available, it wont pop up or anything. i was able to before, but now i cant

[weary rain]

UI looks cool and updated. However, adding equipment to a hunter is way worse. I can only add one item for one category at a time. Once I select an item it takes me back to my hunter overview. Then i have to click on an empty slot to add another item. and the item menu has reset (all filters are removed). Terrible hunter building experience

[sick parrot]

you have to go through a miminum of 8 tabs to make a bare bones character

[chilly canopy]

The best short term solution is to update the UI and downscale everything for PC. Make everything smaller and that will help a lot in navigating it

[sick parrot]

they can take out andrework about 2/3 of the tabs

condence it and make it simpler

[thin remnant]

shotguns got overbuffed man

just got sniped by a slate like 30m away [exaggeration but yknow]

[chrome oyster]

"Change hunter -> recruit -> all hunters -> change hunter (probably because bug) to select new hunter -> use loadout -> return to lobby" ~6 by my count

It's actually pretty fast if you use keyboard shortcuts and have a loadout that does 90% of the work for you. Definitely not great for equiping consumables/customized loadouts though 😦

[chrome oyster]

yeah, I think the loss of context is the biggest problem ... flashing between the screens is problematic

[thin remnant]

overall i think the new update is a definete upgrade

[chrome oyster]

it would maybe be better if each "row" got its own screen, so you could add/remove consumables more similar to the traits screen(?)

[thin remnant]

game is so much funner now imo

[chrome oyster]

I think it's got potential

I'd call it relatively a stalemate with the old UI currently

like it's a "new bad" vs an "old bad"

and I think it could be a "new good" ... but they do need to make more changes

at a minimum I'd like to see these things: #game-ideas message

[thin remnant]

can we talk about how much better respeccing bars is now

literally just q-q-e-r-e

its like a rhythm game

[chrome oyster]

oh for sure

[thin remnant]

kind of fun now dare i say

[chrome oyster]

lots of stuff is pretty good if you use the keyboard

[thin remnant]

theres for sure improvements to be made

[chrome oyster]

it's just like ... a few things are unnecessarily clunky

[thin remnant]

for sure

[flat swan]

Idk how people are raging out over the UI which sure, isn’t the best, but u can get used to it^^ the real problem that kills the game is the instability of it when ur in a round 9/10 the game will crash or freeze at some point and that’s bad af

[chrome oyster]

I haven't experienced anything like that

agree that the UI change is not worth killing the game with review bombing over

[flat swan]

Then consider urself lucky, already verified a lot of people having this issue and it’s not my pc can tell u that^^ I got a cutting edge gaming pc

[chrome oyster]

I played with 3 people tonight for ~7 hours, 0 crashes from any of us

... not saying your experience isn't valid but ... it doesn't seem to be super common either

[regal gulch]

It's not, but crytek showed that they do not listen to feedback, every do it's the only recurse customers have. Self made problem.

[flat swan]

Gimme ur luck man :/ i crash once per round when i open the map after a banish

[steady needle]

People are not talking enough about the weapon/tool skin selection screen.
It's not just bad, it's straight up malicious, predatory design. If you manage to find your way to the skin page, it will show you not just skins you own, but "suggested" skins, mixed in randomly with yours. I almost purchased a 500BB skin because I thought I owned it through the battlepass or something, but no, it was just sandwiched between 2 skins I owned with a price tag.

[tribal wyvern]

The UI is my nr1 priority. My rig needs a few upgrades, which is fine. I also run a 2560x1440 monitor so it takes a bigger toll. I get that my performance will be worse.

But the UI is so fucking horrible.

[chrome oyster]

oof ... a couple of us were even playing on Linux and not having crashing issues ... so I'm really not sure 😦

[tribal wyvern]

Almost did the same to, but fortunately i did not have enough BB 😄

[chrome oyster]

maybe some folks in #troubleshooting would have suggestions

or reddit might be a good place to look...

[weary rain]

totally. in the original UI, you reamined on the same screen when selecting equipment. so you can see what you have already selected

[flat swan]

That is insane

[tribal wyvern]

And why is WInfield renamed

Can we discuss this crytek

What the fuck was wrong with winfield?

[chrome oyster]

I mean, I don't agree, I think they've been fairly responsive to feedback personally. Like what change have they made that's gotten widely negative feeedback and they've just kept going with it?

[tribal wyvern]

Bullet drop was pretty critiqued, not even discussed with the community, just forced on us.

We didnt even get to test it

[chrome oyster]

probably because there were so many of them people would say "I've got a winfield challenge" and you'd have to ask them "okay but which one" ... definitely caused confusion for some friends and I before

[regal gulch]

The first reveal for the UI got all negative feedback from all channels. They went ahead. And it's horrid.

[chrome oyster]

they introduce new changes sure, but it doesn't mean they keep them if they're received negatively. A lot of people are actually liking the bullet drop (myself included)

you can see in suggestions the "remove bullet drop" thing also has more down votes than up

[regal gulch]

Ui reveal: Reddit hated it, discord hated it, twitch hated it, YouTube hated it.

[tribal wyvern]

There was 2 winfield families, Winni C & Winnie without C, whats the issue?
And if marksman or normal one or bayonet, krag/mosin/lebel or vetterli has that issue to then?

[chrome oyster]

that's for content that wasn't released yet

like ... both of these things bullet drop and the UI just came out today

what has Crytek released, got feedback on that was negative, and then not done something about?

[regal gulch]

When you do a preview,you can look for sentiment.

[chrome oyster]

there was also the centennial

[tribal wyvern]

Spear 😄

[tribal wyvern]

ye but you call it centennial, you do not call it winfield

And change centennials name then to only Centennial

problem solved

[chrome oyster]

... maybe you do, not my newbie friends

and "C" vs non-C was very subtle

[chrome oyster]

you also have to weigh that over "we're not going to ship our new map, boss, or anything else because folks don't think they're going to like the new UI"

[tribal wyvern]

Why not release this shit to us early on test servers?
The UI is pretty good to have tested as we will spend quite some time in there

[chrome oyster]

clearly folks didn't end up liking the new UI but I mean ... Crytek has done plenty over the years, health bar respect, challenge system changes, battle pass changes, balancing changes, etc based on community feedback

it's not like they've been a totally absent minded developer that's said "fuck you guys"

[tribal wyvern]

BB change was heavily critiqued.

And they keep increasing prices by insane amounts

[chrome oyster]

because then everything comes out as spoilers and people don't get to experience the maps, new boss, etc, "raw"?

[tribal wyvern]

Hunter skin going from 400 to 1200 in like 2 years

[tribal wyvern]

The UI is what im thinking bout. The map obviously not...

[chrome oyster]

I'll give you that one, but that's also a monetiziation decision, it had very little impact on gameplay (like literally none since they made everything you can spend bloodbonds on cosmetic)

[tribal wyvern]

Still

[chrome oyster]

if that's the best example you've got of them not listening, I'd reconsider your position that "they absolutely will not listen without being review bombed"

this isn't Activision

[tribal wyvern]

Where did i say any of that, you got the wrong guy

[chrome oyster]

or Jagex (as a scorned RuneScape player)

[chrome oyster]

fair enough

[tribal wyvern]

I was just looking for changes they had made refusing to listen to the community

[chrome oyster]

I don't mean to be a "shill" either, I just hate to see people being so dramatic about something Crytek really hasn't had a chance to react to

chances are the UI update was bound to everything else (I say that as a developer) so all these "revert the UI things" can't happen

and the new event, map, boss, etc wouldn't have come out without shipping this UI

is the new UI bad enough to block content for another 3-6 months while they make it better internally without feedback, or do you ship it and get the feedback?

I'm sure they didn't expect this

they should have ... because gamers react like this ... especially when you promote things they can buy as part of those changes

but ... I mean I'd cut them slack ... it's IMO really not that bad; it works (and it does some things really well or almost really well)

[tribal wyvern]

It does alot bad.

[chrome oyster]

bad enough you don't want the new map, boss, or anything else they released today?

because for me, that's "no"

[true holly]

They did not conduct any play tests, surveys, or anything. They just wanted to force sales and microtransactions under the guise of a better UI. How would they know or care if they didn't want to receive feedback beforehand? This "update" is that bad (besides the map) and they knew this would happen because they didn't care to test it or ask. They just wanted us to mindlessly clap and buy some charms.

[chrome oyster]

... based on your tinfoil hat?

[tribal wyvern]

The "modify" Hunter, is just confusing which consum/tool slot is nr1 or 2.
Change hunter is pretty much the same UI but actually better.

You need 20 screen changes to equip your hunter. Another 10 maybe if you wanna change the skin on those.

The only way to go back to the lobby is through "Ctrl" on bottom left, why cant i just click "back" & end up there? No instead i end up on their news.

It's a mess

[tribal wyvern]

I'd be fine waiting to be honest. I had alot of fun playing with my friend anyway before. There was no rush for us.

[chrome oyster]

the ctrl thing is actually really fast though

[true holly]

if you took yours off, you could tell they did these to try to increase sales. It's not that hard to comprehend shill

[tribal wyvern]

So my unnecessary button is fast, nice. I'll add it to the pro list ...

[chrome oyster]

keyboard driven UI is nice

you can move so much faster than mouse driven UI if it's done well

not all of it is, but that part actually works really nicely

[timber star]

Don't worry guys! Dennis, the guy with no game design experience, UX design experience, brains, common sense, or anything else vital to game making is gonna take care of it

[chrome oyster]

so you're just going to ignore the years of negative feedback about the hunt UI?

or the fact that it was based on ActionScript a language made for Adobe Flash?

they didn't just do this to raise profits

sure, they made some things easier to get to but to say that's the only reason they did it and fuck what players think is just ridiculously bad faith

and they do need to revert the charms thing, that was dumb

[true holly]

Hey, how can you use people's complaints about the old UI to defend the new one when it's even worse? There's nothing better-looking or easier to navigate about it. Even before this "update," I liked the old UI. Are you going to tell me the updated UI, with six different battle pass tabs, charms, and hunter skins, was not made solely for a higher chance of someone buying something? If you're not testing it or asking for feedback before a major update, it shows that you don't care about the players. If you don't care about the players, then it leaves only the money to care about.
If it were a free-to-play game, I wouldn't mind, but since we've already paid for it, we should be able to play without having to dodge pop-up windows.

[thin remnant]

that combined with the rarity system..

its a shame

[spice trout]

Bro nobody wants a COD like UI, not even people that play COD. It's just bad. A menu inside another menu is terrible design. And why TF would I want to navigate anything with a keyboard?

[chrome oyster]

Because it does actually fix some complaints.

• There are no longer two rows of tabs, that was a complaint.
• There are now consistently favorite options across basically everything, that was a complaint.
• There is now a high density grid view on several things, that was a complaint.
• There are improved keyboard shortcuts, that was a complaint.
• There are fewer overall menus, that was a complaint.

There aren't popup windows ... other than the "you just started up the game for the first time in a while and there's an event stuff"

which they had before

[true holly]

Cap and a half for half of that; there are way more overall menus. Liar! And now I know you cannot be trusted.

[thin remnant]

favourite options are amazing, so are keyboard shortcuts, and respeccing health bars has never been better

but there are flaws for sure

[chrome oyster]

now i know you can not be trusted
cool, whatever

[chrome oyster]

... because it's fast. Literally, easy answer.

[thin remnant]

everything he said is objectively the truth xd you cant just say "nuh uh"

[true holly]

it's not fast crazy liar

[spice trout]

Explain how having more menus is faster?

[chrome oyster]

KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS != NUMBER OF MENUS

[thin remnant]

just get used to it man. its slower because you're still learning it.

[true holly]

The dude is a sellout shill and is proven

[spice trout]

As opposed to literally selecting the items?

[thin remnant]

you can do either now

[thin remnant]

give us reasoning

[spice trout]

Okie buddy 😂

[thin remnant]

sure the ui is cluttered and flawed, but its not as bad as people say

and everything dark_arc says is true

[chrome oyster]

https://blog.superhuman.com/keyboard-vs-mouse/

[thin remnant]

cool article but why are there bulls xd

[chrome oyster]

... no idea

[spice trout]

Cause it's bullshit

[true holly]

bro said there were fewer windows and all-around tabs in the new UI Bro is nuts

[chrome oyster]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14544874

FollowSteph3

If you really want to see the advantage of keyboard hotkeys just look at the top Starcraft players. Yes they still use their mouse but they need hotkeys to even be able to compete at that level. They actually measure the number of actions they can execute per minute! There's no way it can be done only with either just the mouse or keyboardI thin...

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[thin remnant]

heard of counting

[true holly]

you think hunt players and counsel players who play are pro starcraft rts gamers

[chrome oyster]

I think keyboard shortcuts are faster (because it's objectively true)

that's it

stop arguing with facts

[true holly]

no crap but you used to just have to click one button

[chrome oyster]

you don't like the new UI, great, whatever

[spice trout]

Yeah in Blender...or pro tools...or reaper or any other program. This isn't that. This is some mobile UI probably thought up in some consulting firms office as to how to get a higher revenue from active users.

[thin remnant]

@wispy lion more voices could be nice, but adding too many would mess with audio perception. I think there should be 4:

Young male
Old male
Young female
Old female

@lavish drift Pretty sure the health bar thing is planned.

[timid sage]

People really out here trying to excuse that monstrosity of an AI that basically rips the fun out of the hunt experience and goes counter to the devs intent of selling more games, because you’re literally making the experience extra confusing for new players AS WELL as old players. When something of this magnitude happens, it goes beyond ‘just get used to it bro’, it’s plain and simple bad. No, wait, not just bad, it’s an advanced sort of bad because it actively discourages people from playing the game

[true holly]

It's not just the new UI, it's the fact that they did not conduct any play tests for the connectivity issues, nor did they carry out any surveys or attempt to gauge how this update would be received. They could have just released the new map and event, and people would have been so happy to play with friends and enjoy the game. But they did not do any of that; instead, they pushed a really bad update under the guise of it being to help console players, even though they may hate it even more than PC players. This was a non-user-friendly update and a strong push for microtransactions. You cannot deny that the "charms" thing really makes it look like a mobile gacha game now. I feel like that's what most people are upset about. In the past couple of years, game developers and companies have been run by people who don't even play the game they are working on, and they make decisions solely based on how much money they can get from people. Just look at how many skins they release every month; it's absolutely nuts. The Hunt developers were thought to be a bit different, but this is a wake-up call that they also care more about maximizing sales than about feedback and fan satisfaction.

[timid sage]

Someone on reddit said it best, now trying to play hunt is the equivalent of trying to cancel your gym membership and I’ve never seen it better put

[true holly]

10000%

[thin remnant]

@keen wraith they removed jumping without vaulting??

[queen jungle]

They definitely didn't.

[pearl ridge]

The UI honestly isn’t my biggest problem with the update. It’s getting hit in the face with micro transactions in literally every single corner, on the start screen and also when I startet the game for the first time after the update.

Like the UI is bad, but the micro transactions push is worse.

[chrome oyster]

I just started the game back up and the home screen banner is gone

[pearl ridge]

?

[chrome oyster]

no news section

just game modes

[pearl ridge]

lol?

[true holly]

I agree like i said it really does feel like a mobile Gocha game now where they are forcing you to navigate through micro-transactions to even play and I could understand if the game was free to play but it wasn't we the players have already spent good money on this game for them to be trying to dive into our pockets to get every cent

[queen jungle]

I'll be honest I haven't noticed this...but I think that's because I've been so confused by the UI that I'm not seeing it :p

[true holly]

that is a good start

[chrome oyster]

I think it probably just shows up when there's something new you haven't seen (or maybe not, my friend who just started the game up for the first time since the update doesn't see it either)

[pearl ridge]

Nah you just get blinded by the overwhelming amount of UI elements blasting into your face.

[chrome oyster]

maybe they did a server side update to turn it off

[true holly]

can we also all agree that we miss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvd5Mrjq3jc

[queen jungle]

Well, yeah, that's what's so confusing

I just wanna pick my hunter with the good abilities p_p

Why you gotta show me all this extra stuff p_p

[pearl ridge]

Mucho button = Mucho fun

[timid sage]

Why is this gone lol

[true holly]

They really just need to have an option of running the old UI. I don't think people will ever take it for granted again. I miss just choosing a hunter and picking a loadout and hitting play.

[tribal wyvern]

Legit, I did personally not dislike the entire UI that much it needed an overhaul.
I wanted more favorite options for traits, hunters etc.

But I did not ask for nor need this.

[true holly]

No one really did. They just used the little complaints as a reason to try to push more shops on you.

[timid sage]

Pretty much this. I never really heard people complain about the old UI. And while a UI redesign makes sense with a relaunch like this, this is simply not it. It’s so far from it, it’s on a different planet

[tribal wyvern]

But the UI reminds me more of R6 siege tbh.

The top right "party UI" is identical.

[dreamy tartan]

this UI is straight bananas

[fiery wren]

I'm pretty sure they didn't test this for UX nor bugs since my party and I found quite a few of them even before getting into a match. These things would've come out from even 1 competent tester.

[dreamy tartan]

its more like cod UI or even fortnites, which idk why these boring box huds are the go to thing these days

[timid sage]

I don’t wanna choose a movie on Netflix, I wanna play the damn game

[dreamy tartan]

literally

[fiery wren]

There's also the problem of UI elements being obnoxiously huge, taking up way too much screen retail. This only backs up that the UI was designed for TV and a person sitting on a couch.

[tribal wyvern]

@queen jungle Won't happen. Because people want it to be casual, any region can play with any region with any mmr differences. If you have a group of 3 star, 4 star & 6 star, it is absolutely impossible to balance that. Theres no combination of opponent they can face unless identical, that would be balanced.

So either you restrict which star & region can play with eachother and make it like a ranked mmr or you keep it as is. Theres no inbetween.

[unreal vigil]

The irony is that I even tried to take my Xbox controller on PC for the UI to navigate and it was STILL bad. I'm so disappointed 😦

[queen jungle]

I'm talking about solos here by the way.

Why do I, a 4 star solo have to go up against a 6 star solo?

Does that make any sense to you?

[dreamy tartan]

it just looks like a mobile game now

[tribal wyvern]

Ye 4star solo vs 6 star obviously should not happen.

As solos as your teammr is not even the same

[queen jungle]

It's not.

My team mmr is 3.

That guy's team mmr is 5

How does that happen?

[tribal wyvern]

Why you ask me

I don't know, i don't work there

[queen jungle]

I'm asking the devs, obviously

[tribal wyvern]

Well i don't think they're even here, i would not be as a developer for any company 😄

I'd uninstal any communication app as a dev

But point stands, that the mmr cannot be truly balanced. Until they restrict. So you'll face weird teams with a 5 star and 2 3 star for example. And as a 4 star that might be to overwhelming.

The other solo should not be there. But teams will never be balanced.

[scenic lark]

Yeah, I'm 5-6* was playing with a 3* and a 4* and we got lobbies of mostly 6* players.....

[tribal wyvern]

Just look atR6 siege, a while ago that i played it. But in casual mode, I could enter a game & face a bronze, a gold, a diamond & 2 silver. While myself being gold.
There it just goes "eh i gave it a shot to balance but whatever."

And same goes here. The wide range of mmr you're allowed to play with as any star fucks it up entirely.

The mmr won't be fair

[tribal wyvern]

Thats because it chooses whichever is the highests mmr. It's a way to make sure you cant use said friends to face easy enemies

The people you face, did not choose to play vs a 6 star & they don't want to. Your friends did by queueing with you

[timid sage]

From Hunt: Showdown to Hunt: Gradedown

[scenic lark]

The UI is giving me some serious trauma. I'm hoping I will get used to it and hate it less eventually.

[scenic lark]

Eh I mean all that makes sense to some extent but just the average MMR of team should be what they use not the highest person.

If our average is 4* then we shouldn't face higher than teams that are average 4-5* IMO.

Facing entire 6* teams is dumb when you have a 3* and 4* and one 6*

[tribal wyvern]

Well they can't do that. Because your teams mmr might match a full 4 star team, they don't wanna face a 6 star

They'll complain you are there

They'll say "why is a 6star in my game? We are all 4 star"

[scenic lark]

EZ answer.....average of the team.

[tribal wyvern]

Okey
(3+4+6)/3 = 4.3
(4+4+4)/3 = 4

Again, why is it fair for 4 stars to face you as a 6 star?

Your idea doesn't work here either

People wanna face other people around their same rank.
You standing out by 2 stars doesn't fall within that

[scenic lark]

Nah I think it does. The team average makes way more sense than just pulling up the lower folks to make them face mostly higher folks. If your team average is below a 5 there is no reason to face a team average that is 6.

[tribal wyvern]

You just wanna use ur buddies to face easier enemies to carry them, got it.

[scenic lark]

Lol no...I am sick of them dying immediately and then me dying after 1 or 2 kills

What I"m suggesting is more balanced.

And makes more sense

[tribal wyvern]

So you wanna steamroll bad players?

[scenic lark]

Idk why you are arguing with me. Your argument sucks.

[tribal wyvern]

Sure buddy

You've yet to argue why a 6 star vs 4 star is balanced

[prisma vector]

UI is horrible, its like 3-4 menus to do anything, NOT at all intuitive

[scenic lark]

Everyone always says this it's a dumb argument and besides the point. I explained myself...you disagree. Ok cool.

I already pointed out the team average makes more sense than just lifting up 3 and 4* ppl to fight a team with an average of 6*. That is stupid.

Your position would require a team with a 4.3* average to face teams with a 6* average which is just stupid. If you wanna stick to that for the reasons you gave ok fine....GG's

[scenic lark]

Yup. Complete trash and full of redundencies.

[tribal wyvern]

Yes because you're a waaaay to big outlier.
In any game with matchmaking, you would not be allowed to queue with those 2.
Because it's impossible to make it fair.

However people constantly complain that they as 4 or 3 star can fight the teammates, like yours. But the 6 star just 1v3 them. They don't wanna face anyone with that rank as it makes it unfair.
Any 6 star that isn't a sniping bushy camper, will have no issues 1v3 4 stars. And with 2 more on ur team is waaaay easier.

Quite frank, if you don't want ur teammates to be insta killed, don't queue with them or make a smurf account.

Because while you might improve ur teammates gameplay by landing in 4 star lobbies, you're ruining others

[scenic lark]

Completely fair no, more fair yes. The current system makes it virtually impossible to play with IRL friends.

[tribal wyvern]

It's not "more fair" to the enemies you face

[scenic lark]

They hate playing with me cause we run into 6* average teams which is stupid.

[tribal wyvern]

And other players in the 4 star lobbies hate playing vs you

Do you not understand?

[scenic lark]

At minimum they should cap the team average to 5* range if your team average is below a 5*

Pretty simple.

[tribal wyvern]

They'd be stomped by the 5 star to at 3 star mmr

3star mmr is pretty much crouchpotato

[frank cloud]

How do we feel about no MMR at all

[scenic lark]

I would be down for that.

[tribal wyvern]

Open the crygates

[scenic lark]

I mean right now it's basically no MMR since you can't even see it until after the round.

So you have no idea who you are random Queing with

Trust the algo they say

It will match you perfectly!

[tribal wyvern]

Who said that?

[clever tree]

I mean im a 6* and i get shot in the head by 3* all the same

[tribal wyvern]

Crytek has only said they'll attempt to match you based on your team mmr & if the time rruns to the end it will use a wider range and lower populated servers gets worse matchmaking

[scenic lark]

Indeed.....I am 6* mostly now and if I rank down to 3* I don't just wipe everyone...it's not that easy. This game is complicated.

[tribal wyvern]

But they have not specified how the new mmr works really

[tribal wyvern]

Lol

[scenic lark]

Bruh u just wanna argue.

BYEEE

[tribal wyvern]

o7

[scenic lark]

That guy is annoying sheesh.

[clever tree]

Now for actual feedback since this is the place - for the love of all that is holy please remove item rarity backgrounds. For the life of me i can't tell what im equipping with icons being this small, it takes ages to divine if its regen shot, health shot, big small uuuuuuurgh.

[tribal wyvern]

Anything but a yes man to this guy is annoying apparently.
But it is a running theme to cry & if people be like "well thats not good either."
Then it's like "Omg you so annoying reeee stop arguing reeee just agree man, why do you have to challenge what i say? You suck."

Only thing you ever added was "your argument sucks, this is more fair." Why is it more fair?
Just refusing to elaborate, then say "you only wanna argue."

[unborn dagger]

The item rarities serve absolutely no purpose other than manipulation tactics to get people to buy an item because it has the "LEGENDARY" status on it

[tribal wyvern]

It's so they can pump up the prices even more.
Look at the shiny

Hunter prices have gone from like 400 or 600? To 1200+ now

And even weapons are like 1000

[clever tree]

Obviously that's the case and to be honest i don't even care, just an option to turn this off would be amazing

[tribal wyvern]

Marketing says no

😄

[unborn dagger]

^

[clever tree]

then on the other hand thats another toggle that fogets it was toggled in 5 seconds, in a menu thats already so complicated that warzone hides in shame

i seriously feel ilke i have opened netflix or something when starting hunt now

[thin remnant]

anyone else loving the new graphics?

[upper fractal]

so is there still no fix for the black screen of death

[tribal wyvern]

Besides it burning up my gpu because my rig is a bit outdated to run it on a 2560 monitor, ye sure.

[thin remnant]

use fsr <3

[tribal wyvern]

fsr?

[thin remnant]

im using fsr balanced mode with low graphics atm and it still looks great

[frank cloud]

I am not a fan of 1865 carbine

[thin remnant]

yeah, go into graphics settings and scroll down to super resolution.

you can then change fsr or the nvidia thing

performance mode, balanced mode, quality mode etc

[tribal wyvern]

Ah

[thin remnant]

why not? feels great to me and the velocity is a massive downside [especially with bullet drop now in the game]
[and a slow partial reload]
do you think its overpowered or underpowered cause i like it
its a close range beast for sure though, but doesnt hold up at longer ranges

[tribal wyvern]

Aight i'll try that

[frank cloud]

Slow bullet,slow cycle, slow reload and I'm not really sure what niche it's supposed to fill

[clever tree]

What gpu and resolution do you use?

[thin remnant]

oh, you think its underpowered?

dude it does martini damage in a repeating weapon.

[upper fractal]

just nothing its BLACK

[tribal wyvern]

He means what hardware you have for your graphics card & settings

[thin remnant]

its whole thing is massive damage repeater

have you looked at the stats

[upper fractal]

to be fair idk

like the one in my computer?
its a GEFORCE RTX

[tribal wyvern]

yes, it should follow with a 4 numbers, like 2080 or 3080, 1070 etc

[mighty plover]

How do I precisely change my sens

[static moth]

Is it just me or is there like a massive contrast filter over everything now? Shadows are pitch black

[mighty plover]

I hav pressed everything on this controller and can't figure out how to change sens 1 num at a time instead of 5

[clever tree]

@upper fractal when you right click your desktop then go in to screen settings, what does it say under screen resolution tab?

[mighty plover]

Ye most of indoors is black

[timid sage]

If you have a partner that sucks as much as this UI does, marry them

[upper fractal]

display resolution is 2560 x 1440

[clever tree]

Try changing that to 1920x1080 and reinstalling Hunt

Seems to be helping some people out

[upper fractal]

thats gonna take 8 hours due to aussie wifi but what other choice do i got

[clever tree]

Ooofff, sorry to hear that

[upper fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/small-thornse-small-coffee-sip-plague-doctor-gif-24233274

ah well i still got ultrakill

[clever tree]

actually to save you some time

[covert barn]

#feedback message
@fervent bane good point that Play should be it's own tab at the top. Wouldn't fix the UI, but will make life easier. The fact that you should click Home and then scroll to find play is absurd.

[clever tree]

@upper fractal try to right click Hunt in steam library, select properties and then in launch options field try pasting this -screen-width 1920 -screen-height 1080

[upper fractal]

thats linux

im on windows

[signal elbow]

i assume gear is more prominent than play ist because this is where you can buy skins. And skins are paying the developers.

[fervent bane]

Was the first thing I said when I was exploring the menu, it feels there was 0 real thought process when it came to the the layout. recruiting a Hunter is also super annoying like when you hire a hunter it doesn't even equip that hunter and you still have to go in and equip them

[clever tree]

@upper fractal it works on windows too : P

just forces resolution on game launch

[upper fractal]

im prob just gonna wait and see if cryteck does anything

also no it dosent because i dont even show it

[fervent bane]

Also when you are equiping weapons it shouldn't be backing me out every time I equip something like, WTF

[clever tree]

It's a deeper issue

notice that when you inspect teammates gear

every time they change something that screen switches off

[formal meteor]

was the amd pitch black shadows fixed?

[fervent bane]

Yes, there was also no explanation on how to inspect team mates gear!? It wasn't until a team mate was randomly right clicking around the lobby screen that popped up, like why hide it?

[covert barn]

Fair I guess 😄
On that note - not having skins you don't own shown in weapon skins selection menu or in hunter recruitment menu as form of promotion feels like a missed opportunity.

[fervent bane]

Thats in store, Gear is essesntially Arsenal

[covert barn]

Yeah... If you want to equip 4 different consumables from scratch - you have to click 12 times

[clever tree]

O btw, kda is out of the game right?

[fervent bane]

Nah

[covert barn]

You can see yours, but not enemy's

[clever tree]

Where?XD

[signal elbow]

From a company pov: You want to get people to the CTA (Buy button) as often as you can get them there.

It would not bother us if we could keep the filter and ui setting we make. like hiding skins i do not own or using the grid in the hunters view.

[fervent bane]

Its in a super hidden tab on the home screen lmao

[clever tree]

i didn't find it hahahaha

[covert barn]

Home -> scroll down to Progression -> then scroll right to Statistics

[fervent bane]

under progression go all the way to the riht and statistics

[covert barn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-design-is-very-human-china-chinese-kq-gif-14259687401122459293

[clever tree]

👍 another win for user friendly ui

[cursive wasp]

Also if people didn’t know might be a bug or just not seen don’t know but the drop distance for the bow and crossbow is 0 what it basically says is it comes out and falls immediately so you don’t know how far you can shoot

[fervent bane]

I mean Bow and Crossbow don't have a drop range, its how its always been they have an arc naturally

[cursive wasp]

Fair just don’t but it at 0 ya know

That to me saying it flys infinitely

[clever tree]

btw when you go into battlepass screen and count how many times it says battlepass

[frank cloud]

Wasn't doctor an 8 point trait?

[regal gulch]

9 points

[regal gulch]

So equipping a hunter with a full set of gear is 30 clicks for 14 items. Doesn't include custom ammo, or finding a gun in the chaos that is the new gun selection screen.

About double of the old "bad" UI.

[tiny pivot]

I think there are small things that can be fixed but I see the intent with the new UI

I recommend anyone who has problems getting lost or finding something to look at the keybinds in the bottom left, it has really helped me get used to it

My biggest qualm is what the person above me said, they really need to reduce the amount of clicks in a loadout. Also an overall downsize of the UI would be great because it feels so large and in your face (but the design is fine!)

Lastly, it really sucks we got a whole new UI and it doesn't have Ultrawide support. It could come later and I still take much love and pride in the fact that Hunt has Ultrawide in game at all, but so much of that screen space could be helped but instead it's just black bars

Also why the hell does the Beetle have black bars too now?

Anyway, that's my relatively positive feedback. Cheers

[regal gulch]

At least the UW isn't grey bars at the sides now, but black bars. Much less ugly. Still awful

The buttons are really the size of my whole phone. If I had a touchscreen I could probably use the new UI with my feet. But that's not really something I need.

[tiny pivot]

Uhh, okay, hold on wtf is this lol

You're telling me all the lovely charms I used to have on every weapon I can't just use lol

[clever tree]

But you can buy EPIC skin for chain pistol thats NEW IN STORE

good tradeoff

[tiny pivot]

I genuinely just don't get this change because there's not enough charms for every gun and/or skin

And they release battle pass charms that are themed after the weapons in the pass, which tends to have two or three weapon skins per theme

[clever tree]

It's not a change, it's an oversight

you cant buy those in multiples

[frozen escarp]

why is the UI more of a hassle then it was before

[tiny pivot]

It absolutely is and it seems intentional so I hope they revert it or realize it's redundant

[clever tree]

someone just straight up didn't think about it

[signal mural]

@feral mason You realize that rarity status is trivial and completely irrelevant to the actual "value" put on the character model, right?
Play whatever character models you enjoy; buy models you like because the are for your personal taste a pleasing aesthetic that supports the continued longevity of the game.
No one is going to be impressed because you're playing a "Legendary" skin - especially not if it is always readily available.

[tiny pivot]

yeah rarity status is kinda a joke, arguably rarity is already determined by availability and its pretty standard and known that the rarest skins are the twitch drop skins (even still) and the old event skins that havent come back

[feral mason]

Thats your personal idea but people love to play with legendary skins or better skins. If you don’t care that doesn’t mean nobody else cares. We do care and we want the legendary status skins back because real money was involved. It leads to scam if they sell skins as legendary and later make them rare or epic rarity.

[clever tree]

Which skin did they sell as legendary before this update?

[feral mason]

All dlc skins per legendary.

[clever tree]

I mean was there any visible tiering other than this one is slightly cool so we are gonna sell it for more money?

Cause i didnt notice in 1k+ hours

[feral mason]

Well i will wait till 21 August if they don’t change it back to legendary then i will think about legal action or they can refund all the DLCs that they sold on the name of legendary hunters and skins.

[signal mural]

Exactly - Plague Doctor will remain one of the rarest along with Cardinal Rain, Fang Shearer, Wayfarer, Croc's Apprentice, & the Skinned. I don't need to check their rarity quality to know that they are not frequently owned or played and therefore actually more "rare".

[tiny pivot]

lmfao

sorry, going to be blunt, you are delusional

hunt rarity has nothing to do with the idea of "legendary" hunters and legendary hunters are nothing but a name

the dlc hunters are dlc still

if anything you got your moneys worth and they now properly categorize the lesser quality skins as lesser

idgaf if its "legendary" or "pooshit fart 20", the first like 5-10 dlc skins are total jokes compared to anything released in the last year

and we, you, i, etc, still paid money for them

what an idiot, so much idiocy in the hunt community with this update its not even funny. bro wants to threaten legal action he most definitely wont follow up on because of a name change.

[clever tree]

i still love my fav bale of hay, i mean daughter of decay even if it doesn't say UBERLENGED 6969 in all colors of rainbow next to her name

[feral mason]

You are delusional all DLCS weapons were claimed as legendary weapons.

[signal mural]

They are Legendary because of in-game Lore. They always were Legends of the Bayou and they remain as such... The quality ranking is just for sorting them somehow.

[tiny pivot]

legendary hunters still function in the exact same way as they did before with literally 0 changes other than having a rarity system that DOES NOT MATTER because they COST THE EXACT SAME THEY DID UPON RELEASE

i will not be elaborating, gonna go play the game, thx

[upbeat slate]

That's why I said it would be a wild card contract

[feral mason]

In long term it is thier loss players will not buy legendary hunters anymore because devs will change them back to epic or rare. . It doesn’t matters if they still function same but they are not legendary anymore.

[feral mason]

Sorry for being rude earlier but legendary weapons should stay legendary or they will lose charm to play with. I can understand if you don’t care but many other cares and only play with legendary skins they had. Even i bought the skins first for the weapons i wanted to play with.

[signal mural]

People will buy whatever skins they think look cool or whatever fits their role-play fantasy inside the Hunt universe.

I bet most players couldn't tell you the trivial rarity that's been assigned to their favorite Hunters & weapons.

[opaque harness]

New UI is the worst shit ever. And new map is not hunt any more. Its tarkow look alike. i hawe playd the new one fore like 4 houers and i realy want all 3 old maps back

[somber cipher]

Crytek casually scamming players who bought charms before update, thinking they would have unlimited uses

very cool

[lime yoke]

the rarity is such a stupid change, what is this, fortnite?

who tf needed that

[waxen cosmos]

I'm alright with the map, i like its verticality. Ui I'd bullshit

Is*

[clever tree]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[somber cipher]

even fortnite doesn't really have skin rarity anymore, as they finally figured out its dumb

[lime yoke]

lol really

that is even funnier

[lime yoke]

what the fuck???

[somber cipher]

yea, crytek still catching up to latest trend: see their streaming service UI

[lime yoke]

are you for real?

[somber cipher]

Its real unfortunately. They made charms limited after a whole year (if not longer) of them being unlimited

[wet saffron]

My expectations were already low, but oh boi...

[somber cipher]

such an awesome change 🤡

[obsidian sorrel]

So, I've lost like 3 hunters to random disconnects. Kind of garbage, not going to lie. Its not been 48hrs since the games been downgraded.

[lime yoke]

thats insane

[agile crypt]

Where is ping lock?? Chinese ping abusers on eu server again

[lime yoke]

like sure they can argue they think the ui looks better, but that change is just evil lol

they are so thirsty for money

[frank hedge]

My monitor is HDR. I've tested it both on and off and it's still the same.

[stone flame]

you can literally just change them? it's not like they're forever chained to one weapon.

Like what are you guys afraid of, clicking a button twice?

[simple nymph]

You are exactly the kind of customer the games industry loves. They can do what they want and you just accept it

[south umbra]

Did they add like randomness to the down sights?

[loud ledge]

God forbid I speak out when a shitty change is made

[pure badger]

yea slugs and nitros are not 100% accurate in long range anymore

[south umbra]

Nice!

bullet drop wasnt enough :(

[thin remnant]

@cosmic remnant pretty sure this is already in the game??

[thin remnant]

cap

[exotic ore]

So why are people freaking out about this update when it's literally the same hunt showdown but with much prettier graphics, a well made new map but with some minor adjustments to gameplay and unpopular UI that simply gets you from a to b.

It's literally the same game

[thin remnant]

because people like nitpicking about the little things.

new update is an overall upgrade

[exotic ore]

Yeah but people going on like you this game is unplayable now or something

It's literally the same game. Who actually gives that much of a crap about UI as long as it's not permanent and you can get into a hunt and build a loadout.

[pure badger]

https://youtu.be/m_l6lApolD8?si=O82b1UcBd7PFmZ4S&t=512

8:32

[stone flame]

Yeah, no lmao :D But instead of only whining around, I look for aspects that I dislike and try to give them constructive criticism. I'm not saying it's perfect but it can and will be improved. And most people are acting as if the whole game is broken now that UI isn't to their liking which is just childish

[thin remnant]

what the fuck

[floral sun]

to be fair you interact with a dogshit UI quite often, when you start the game and after every match

its not like the UI is a once in a blue moon thing to interact with

[thin remnant]

its not that bad

the old ui was just as bad you just got used to it
use keyboard shortcuts

[floral sun]

so what happened to secondary region then

why is that not a thing anymore

[thin remnant]

is this relevant

[floral sun]

yeah it is

its part of the UI

region is now behind settings -> game settings -> region

instead of just the globe icon in the bounty hunt main screen

[peak rain]

I am just amazed that they made a bad UI even worse. That they should get a achievement medal for.

[thin remnant]

mate how often are you changing your region lmao

[floral sun]

i have friends who live in US east

[thin remnant]

its one of those things that can be free to be locked further in the settings tbh

[floral sun]

cant join their party unless i diverge to US east

im us west

[thin remnant]

okay so you're a rare case.

[floral sun]

how is that rare

[thin remnant]

you recognize how little region change is used by the majority?

[floral sun]

id say thats pretty common

[exotic ore]

Real talk everyone who's flapping about the UI have probably done everything they needed to do like on the old hunt but maybe about 15 seconds slower due to getting used to the new layout.

[floral sun]

not all steam friends live in the same region

[exotic ore]

Oh no 15 seconds longer to make my unga Bunga loadout, oh noooooo

[stone flame]

sure, I'm definitely with you on that one and I do understand that the new UI has issues. But nonetheless the game is still playable and you can get used to it.
When I first started playing Hunt the old UI was just as confusing to me tho. It just takes some time of getting used to it, giving them constructive criticism and giving the team time to fix certain aspects that might be improved

[thin remnant]

"not all" =/= "not most"

[exotic ore]

Games ruined

[floral sun]

right but its a baffling change because before you could have a primary and secondary region

[thin remnant]

lmfao this

[floral sun]

if primary didnt work it just went to secondary

so i had us west as primary and us east as secondary

[thin remnant]

have they not elaborated on why they removed secondaries

[floral sun]

genuinely i do not remember their reasoning

[peak rain]

I think they will change stuff in the future. Just have to have that base set, and then move forward. Unfortunatly you can only launch a game once, and if it poorly or even sluggish to begin with, people will just remember that.

[floral sun]

yeah

bad launches are pt fatal, pushing UI aside there is def something going on regarding optimization

its what concerns me the most

[stone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[floral sun]

yeah gameplay is good as usual but also when people are running the game like asscheeks the gameplay dwindles, and it seems really variable

with gpus rn

troubleshooting is probably a nightmare

i havent had any issues personally aside from like 2 crashes but my pc is a nuclear sub so i cant really speak out on performance

[peak rain]

Gameplay is good, I even got more FPS with this update. Even tho people have issues that makes it worse.

But the menu (which seems to be a copy paste template), makes the experience bad. What people want is to play, you dont need that many menus to do something.

[west grail]

Honestly, I really don't understand why people are being THAT negative about the UI. I remember when I started playing hunt, the old UI was so freaking hard to navigate as well. This one is just different, but I'd say that, in a nutshell, it's basically the same thing. I think, objectively, besides of some things being too big UwU and other poor visual decisions making, convenience/user friendliness wise, the only 3 changes they need to make with the new UI is the trait window (tbh it's not even that bad, just make it less clicks to discard the traits), the tools/consumables window (make it so it doesnt close the window upon equipping a tool/consumable), and the hunter recruitement window (just make it less clicks to buy a free/not free hunter).
Other than that, as long as you are using the shortcuts, it's much better than the previous UI.

***The game has simply become much better overall as well. ***

First and formost the netcode actually works now. You kill something or someone and they die instantly, no delay, no nothing, regardless of your ping. Thats huge. The audio is just 10 times better now. It actually freaking works. You can hear exactly where people are. I've had so many kills today just by simply relying on hearing and peaking for a split second just to click their heads. The way chalanges work is also better, since we all share the same weeklies and it is possible to complete them in literally 2 hours. What else... I mean. The new freaking map. Bro, its fenomenal. There's just so much stuff EVERYWHERE. All the other maps, they force you into all these compound fights and every time you're caught off guard in the middle of nowhere it's either a bushcamping sesh, getting fucked in the ass real hard and fast, or a tedious long range bullshit while being flanked by other teams. Here on the other hand most fights I've had were outside the compounds and the were phenomenal. lol

[peak rain]

Double post?

[floral sun]

i think the poison blur bug finally got fixed which is crazy

i waited years for that fix

[peak rain]

Yea that is gone

[floral sun]

my friend was fucking shellshocked

“CRYTEK FIXED THE 3 YEAR OLD BUG???”

[west grail]

tripple

[west grail]

i mean, they just got rid of the poison blur entirely, not sure if that counts as a fix though lmao

[peak rain]

Cant imagine how difficult it is to rework spaghetti code, however I am happy with them actually closing some bugs.

[floral sun]

a fix is a fix no matter the method

rest in piece electric lamp

[brave crown]

people just don't like change, it's not that bad, but there are some things that are objectively worse. Like so many unnecessary menus within menus. And the having to click and scroll through the entire item 'shop' list every time you want one item. That's just what I've seen in my half hour of being on lol

[peak rain]

The Ui is what people see first. Naturally its what people will complain about if there is change. However the old Ui was bad, but this is even worse. Its a copy paste template. What I dont understand is; Who said: "This is fine, Print!"? They must have understood that a even worse menu will make discord/reddit go haywire?

[lethal shoal]

wat, dont we have less menues? its just layered differently. But you got hunters, loadouts and wepon/tool/cons. decision. Its not that different

[west grail]

yeah, the item menu sucks, bit menues in menues could be easily avoided with shortcut key, u can always see them on your bottom left

[ornate cargo]

I think most can agree that the UI is less than optimal for PC, and it's reasonable to react to this as a user of the product. If there is no reaction, the developers are unlikely to prioritize improving it. Let's not argue about whether or not to argue about it lol

[west grail]

Not necessarily. After putting over 12 hours into it, and actually learning my ways around it, it's better. Just like that.

[brave crown]

technically the amount of 'end' menus is the same, but there's a lot of unnecessary in-between clicks. One that I thought was funny was these three steps when trying to quit the game 😂

[ornate cargo]

That's been my way of dealing with it too, just thinking I'll get used to it. Only played a few hours last night, so haven't had too much time yet

[brave crown]

and the settings thing next to that, why do you force me to select a settings section first when I can do that within the settings? Just genuine unnecessary clicks

[peak rain]

The overall style is okay. Just less menus.

[ornate cargo]

I do however think that the devs made a mistake in not involving users enough during the design process. It's a well known killer of projects refreshing old software products. If the product was only UI and not the means to access a game beneath, like some web app, this would not look well for crytek.

[brave crown]

definitely cannot avoid menus within menus any way I can see tbh, but you shouldn't have to avoid them anyways - they shouldn't be there xD

[next slate]

The UI looks like it's designed to be viewed either on a small smartphone screen or on a big TV (reminds me of steams big picture mode). Maybe it makes sense for some setups, I don't know. But I'd assume the main player base is sitting in front of a PC screen with a mouse in their hand so how about an option to chose between this Windows 8 big picture layout for the people who like it (if there are any outside of Crytek) and a more simplified list version with a smaller font so that you don't have to scroll ages just to find the stuff you're looking for?
After mission screen with the players could just fit into the screen with proper list size and the sideways scrolling loadout presets are horrible!

And I don't understand how they put everything in it's own sub menu but when it comes to the important stuff like checking the loadouts of the hunters in your roster that box is so tiny that you're struggling to identify the ammo type just to make space for the unnecessary portraits of the hunters below...

[thin remnant]

I have sad news boys, infinite headshot does not apply to starshell :(

[celest horizon]

My game is pitch black like this in the shadow areas. Does anyone found a fix for that?

[ornate cargo]

What GPU do you have? Some ppl in #troubleshooting and #bug-reports-pc report this issue with AMD I think

[cosmic remnant]

Nope. You just clip right through stuff.

[thin remnant]

@cosmic remnant not bushes, bushes move when you go through them

[celest horizon]

Yeah I am using amd graphics card.

[thin remnant]

at least on client side.. pretty sure this happens from the enemy's perspective too

but are you saying you want this for short grass and shrubbery?

[ornate cargo]

Probably check through those channels then, see if anyone has a quick fix. Otherwise I would just wait for Crytek unfortunately..

[thin remnant]

I FOUND A USE FOR STARSHELL

bring starshell and 4 ammo boxes, then spam all of them on your enemy's position until their frames die or their games crash, then push and win

ez

[shadow arrow]

why dont i have the shade:drifter unlocked? I bought the battlepass and am level 9? it unlocks right away no? it doesnt show up in my hunter list and doesnt show up in store? is it bugged?

[storm pendant]

The old UI wasn’t terrible but it was clunky.

Honestly man the old UI was mostly fine it just needed some QoL features and some fat trimming.

[abstract crystal]

https://old.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1etgbz4/current_reviews_are_mostly_negative_at_37_for/lid2gf6/

[abstract crystal]

its a permalinked comment

[carmine oar]

Sorry but the new UI is just absolutely bad. It costs so much time to prep for a new round and everything is clunky af. Pleas rework this bad UI ASAP, Hunt is no fun like this. But the new Map is awesome atleast one good thing i guess.

[cosmic remnant]

I moved through a bush to test this and make sure I wasn't misremembering.

[cosmic remnant]

I'm saying I want this for grass (short and tall), shrubbery, and pine branches that the player is able to walk through.

Should be able to make nice shaders for this

[indigo garden]

New UI is currently the main issue for me, other than that I would say everything is an improvement. I did not have any server issues that people claim to have in the matches I played. Game definitely does look a lot better ( although seems to be quite heavy on GPU but I rather have it heavy on GPU than have it downgraded, of course this depends on optimization for older hardware also ).

For the most part stutters are also fixed, I am sure there are some less optimized areas on the map that I have not seen yet but overall it's quite good.

I had an issue where I was stuck in blackscreen on launch, updating my older Win10 build fixed that. I just hope UI can be reworked to work better with PC or I would even be happy having a toggle to be able to use old UI for PC.

Or adjust UI more for PC and give us a toggle between multiple UI layouts so we can choose what works for us. Currently as mouse and keyboard user I really dislike new UI.

[hot bronze]

Just curious how is 'everything else an improvement' when half or more of the playerbase can barely play the game above 40-60fps now?

if the player base disappears, I don't see how that's good for anyone. Obviously, they should optimize in future, but this is Crytek, not known for good optimisation... so we can't rely on that. lol

[grim saddle]

Did we get an offical statement about the UI situation yet?
I will not play or recommend the gamy to any friend until they rolled back this new UI.

[thin remnant]

yeah, need optimization for sure

im struggling to get fps [without fsr ultra performance mode but just dump water on your screen at that point]

[hot bronze]

why didn't they keep this in Beta for longer? I just don't get it. 1000 beta testers would have loudly told them the UI sucked. who was t esting it, if anyone?

and they would have got wide ranging performance feedback too

[thin remnant]

@white oasis press backspace

[peak rain]

We are the testers

[grim saddle]

So they will give us the old UI back then?

[peak rain]

Eh no

[grim saddle]

I will just quit playing this game then. Like CoD and all the other junk games

[peak rain]

Yea, well. It will probably get better, but not before a very long time. See you soon

[thin remnant]

quitting a game over the menu ui is crazy

[grim saddle]

No, I don't think so.
Now I'm spending more time in the menu than inside the game. And I get frustrated when I have to use this UI.
I don't even want to change my hunter loadout or do anything in this UI. It's just time wasting and frustrating. The UI makes me not want to play the game anymore.
Try to reset the bullet type after you put it to your loadout. It's unbelievable.

[peak rain]

I can see your frusteration, however the game is great. Nothing like it on the market either. I think its mostly about getting used to the menus, eventually it will suck less, even tho it sucks now.

[thin remnant]

my biggest problem is the inconsistency between custom ammo types and regular ammo types.

regular ammo is displayed by a simplified and more visible icon, while custom ammo shows a tiny image of the actual bullet in full realism

[grim saddle]

The game is great, yes. I like the new map and graphics. But you can't get used to an obvious trash UI. It will be always complicated with 100 sub menus and windows. They have to redesign the whole menu again. It will take years again. Easy, just give us a button where you can choose between old and new UI. Like the crosshair. Let the console player use the new UI, but even they want the old one back.

[peak rain]

The old Ui was trash also. So anything is possible to like in the longterm

[grim saddle]

100% it was not perfect but now I guess everyone would be happy to get this one back.

[peak rain]

Dont disagree there, but I think quitting a game just because of the menu is hasty.

[rigid orbit]

I just wish they had focused a bit more on the user journey through the new UI. To me its most obvious when quitting, why does a single option sub-menu ever need to exist?

Theres definately things that compared to the old UI takes more clicks/menu's to get the same desired end result.

[grim saddle]

Just check Reddit posts or Steam reviews. With a big update they always fuck something up, but this time.. nah, it's to much.
And it's not new. Even on the Dev Videos 2 month ago, where they showed the new UI, EVERYONE was telling them, that it's gonna be shit.
And they made it even worse until the update. How can you tell you listen to your community and then put something like that on live server.

[peak rain]

I agree. If the relaunch was meant to bring new players onboard, you need a menu that is intuitive and straight forward. Easy to get into

[rigid orbit]

However we arent new people, so its hard for us to judge how intuitive this is to newer players

[peak rain]

True that

[rigid orbit]

Because we come with bias and old menu muscle memory

I do wish it would remember filter options too, that i found really frustrating when trying to work out the new menu last night

[grim saddle]

It's not about memory, it's just simply how they build it up. It's like CoD. And even there everyone was upset with the UI. And it was a news released game then.

[peak rain]

But from a general point of view, the menu is clunky. Nothing is really "logic" about it.

[rigid orbit]

i definately not a fan of it "forgetting" options ive set and expect it to remember (because old one did)

Its like the IKEA experience, you have to walk all the way through the store following the arrows, when the thing you want is "just over there" 🙂

[grim saddle]

Let's see. If Crytek really listening to his player base, who were playing this game for years and paying the money, they should roll back to the old UI, at least until they made huge improvements to the new UI, and then maybe try it again. But if they plan to just leave it like it is, and maybe do some work over the next years on it, I guess they will lose most of their loyal player base. Just my opinion.

[brazen geyser]

i think my problem with the UI is that with all these tabs most of them are entirely useless until i need them and when i need them they arent all in one place, nothing is together x-x

[pearl ridge]

Everybody says “Just get used to it, it sucks but you’ll get used to it.” - Nah. It shouldn’t suck in the first place.

[peak rain]

I like that terminology. Hunt Showdown 1896: The IKEA Experience

[rigid orbit]

It will never be perrfect because what some people consider good, others wont think is good enough

[peak rain]

I think everyone agrees that this game is something special about. And its not like any others. Thats why Ui hits hard when they relaunch a game that is so high expectations of in the first place.

[rigid orbit]

It is certainly not an ideal experience right now, there will definately be aspects that are "ok" that certainly will be fine to say "get used to it" but i think there is a lot of room for improvement here. Again my thing will always be about UX journey, there is too many clicks, menu's, tabs and sub-menus to navigate. It's not streamlined and consistent enough.

[hot bronze]

OK - I have to post an update as I have complained a lot:

I finally found the 'DLSS' setting people were talking about (Partly my fault partly the fact that it isn't called DLSS its called 'super scaling'

I am not tech savvy but the 3060ti supports it, once I turned this onto performance mode , I am finally getting acceptable FPS with relatively low graphics settings on 1440p.

For anyone having issues, if your card supports DLSS, try putting it on the performance mode. It has helped my fps go from about 60-70 back up to 120+ ish. Still got a lot of tests to run but thankfully seems not as bad I thought

[grim saddle]

Maybe not perfect, but right now, they get a huge shitstorm, and it's sad, because the gameplay acutally is still really good. But you see, also small details, like UI can fuck ab the whole game experience

[brazen geyser]

or even smaller details, like, where the ever loving heck do you see what pact hunters are pledged to now..

[rigid orbit]

Absolutely, however im not going to quit playing my preferred extraction shooter over it. I will simply have to suck it up for now. And by the end of the evening last night picking a new hunter and equipment wasn't THAT onerous. Still not OK though, this isn't me endorsing it just saying id rather play the game then not.

To the left of the upgrade points if its pledged. On the main "play" screen

A better example

[peak rain]

Yea quitting the game of just some menus are silly. Yes it is not ideal, but the game is great and should be focused on.

[rigid orbit]

That hunter is demented pack (however hovering over the icon wont tell you that)

Well, its their choice. If the experience of trying to use the UI is so frustrating it makes you want to quit before you hit play (one of our friends was having major trouble after booting it up he couldnt figure shit out, he nearly quit for the night because he was getting frustrated)

[peak rain]

I dont blame him, but it is a bit dramatic to quit over something that is not going to change.

[cold umbra]

overall, the map feels great, gunplay good. the downs.. - UI, and idk about the rest of you but i feel that with the burning of hunters, the reduction in necro, and shortness of chokebombs.. feels too heavy handed and speeds up the firefights a little too much

[brazen geyser]

not dramatic necessarily. when two people are bad for eachother its best to split lol.

[peak rain]

Its a balance for sure. I feel it clears up the stalemate, however it does feel like it is a bit too speedy

[vast geyser]

Just give me items that spawn in the world to put out fires...

[rotund obsidian]

theres no way they set automod to flag the toolbox speedrun gif....

LMFAOO

[iron bloom]

What is causing the micro stutters?? Game is unplayable rn

GPU Tessellation ?

[lone carbon]

I think the current burn speed would be fine, if only firebombs could burn Hunters.
So new speed but old tools.

[iron bloom]

Anyone else facing micro stutters ?

Rubberbanding etc

[rotund obsidian]

I don't mind the current speed at which players burn OUT but it's really frustrating to get flaregunned and your teammates have about four whole seconds to start cooking a chokebomb in order to prevent you from losing an extra bar

[hardy coral]

idk why burning needed to be made so fast.

Now salveskin goes from a great trait to a must have, not fun also.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah and for some reason, salveskin now reduced body burning speed by around 33% instead of 25%, so it's even better in comparison. but also it's bugged and doesnt work at all for alert tripmines (and maybe firebeetles? not sure). you still lose a bar to a single alert tripmine when you have salveskin

[hardy coral]

Really salveskin should be reworked to not lower the burn rate since it's way too good vs the fire tools now (not buring a bar at all is nuts when these items are meant to burn one). Salveskin should instead be a burn trait that lets you recover one burned bar with a 7-10 second heal.

[mighty cairn]

Sad. 90% of those reviews are completely unusable by the devs

[hardy coral]

So in longer fights you can recover your burned bars but if someones using fire ammo or a hellfire bomb to push it's still as effective as usual.

[iron bloom]

UI is garbage, completely fixable

Also please bring back teammate KDS and MMRS pre lobby

[carmine needle]

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[dense tendon]

one thing i have to say

[distant valley]

can cry all u want, never have so many ppl played Hunt on steam

i know UI is bad, but this is peak player hypocrysy behaviour...

bad review

but have 2k hours and is playing RN

LMAO

[hardy coral]

The update is still very messed up, loads of people can't even play due to performance problems and strange graphical problems that should've been caught in basic testing.

Review bombing is silly, mostly childish, but the way the game is broken is just mind boggling.

Who thought this new UI was good? How does AMD (no matter the driver) have completely borked shadows?

[thin remnant]

performance is my biggest issue with the update

i want my frames back

[iron bloom]

Not to forget micro stutters even on nvidia GPU's

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bH7iF.gif

[hardy coral]

I think it's fine to expect a little performance drop but the stutters are awful.

[thin remnant]

the update is very clearly unoptomized.

and amd fsr makes things so hard to look at

[iron bloom]

Rubberbanding/Lag spikes/ Stutters, you name it

[hardy coral]

It just seems weirdly amateur. Did they release it too early?

Did they release a wrong version? What is this.

[mighty cairn]

It's fixable if the people crying about it give constructive feedback. The steam reviews are absolutely rammed with people screaming "THE UI IS BAD" without telling them why.

[thin remnant]

i think the idea is release early so people can test it

[hardy coral]

That's hardly the message they gave

[dense tendon]

this has not been player tested, swapping guns don't render them in time, while moving the texture in front of you still renders, my friend keeps getting random crashes. The option of seeing your mates loadouts is bad. 2 extra steps for nothing, the menu and loadout are atrocious, the favorite have not been kept, you gotta add items one be one. the old system was intuitive, fast and convenient

[hardy coral]

They release it with a new battle pass and people can't even play.

[distant valley]

because EVERYTHING about it is bad

[mighty cairn]

Lag spikes are probably expected but regarding stuttering have you run the game with your task manager open to see if anything like your CPU is being rammed?

[hardy coral]

It's hard to say exactly what's wrong with the new UI when every aspect is horrible.

Worst I've ever seen

[thin remnant]

this isnt true lol

[mighty cairn]

This of course is nonsense, most of it is fully functional, just poorly laid out. But again, just whining like a baby in discord, and not taking a screenshot and posting it in the feedback channel with suggestions, you're just another whining baby who isn't actually helping anyone.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah as much as I hate the new UI, it definitely COULD be a big improvement with some relatively minor tweaks (minor compared to making a whole new one, at least)

[thin remnant]

respeccing health is better than ever

[iron bloom]

I have top of the line CPU. Shouldnt be an issue imo

[rotund obsidian]

theres just a lot of nested menus that could be fused, and a lot of shortcuts that need to be changed. not sure how they missed both 'sell item' and the filter button being the same, but having anything on "enter" or "backspace" is fucking dogshit when everything else is on the left side of the keyboard

also i never want to see that dumbass homescreen ever again, i just want to go back to the bounty hunt screen

literally pointless homescreen

[mighty cairn]

I'm all for shouting at devs, so many devs do not care about their community one bit, they treat them like cash cows. But these devs over the course of the time i've played this game since it was in closed testing have been fantastic.They've made glaring mistakes along the way as every team does, but there is no doubt that the game in 2024 (before this update) was more polished than it's ever been.

Once they sort out the graphical bugs and make the UI more logical, it will be at it's best state ever.
This game has a better dev team than most of the AAA teams out there.

[rotund obsidian]

I assume this one is a bug, but it opens the hunter details page for the previous hunter when you recruit a new one. (instead of the one you just recruited)

[mighty cairn]

Yeah that's fine then, might be worth testing though just to see if the game is being funny with your system so you can report it to them. It could just be a single setting that your PC doesn't like, or it could be something bigger, hard to tell without testing

[iron bloom]

Also hotkey binds/num keys are non existent in the HUD. Do we now have to remember our keyboard shortcuts for tools and conusmables ?

[thin remnant]

have you guys talking also about performance issues dropped feedback about it?

if they see a lot of feedback of it they might consider optomization

[rotund obsidian]

There are also some really stupid balance changes, mainly fire-related. fire beetles and alerts are fucking busted, and the body burn speed is... questionable. At the very least, killtraps seems to be nerfed so i'll take that as a MASSIVE W.

[mighty cairn]

I'm not sure what you mean by this? you mean when in a match?

[iron bloom]

Yeah

1,2,3,4,5 etc

[rotund obsidian]

Yeah a lot of ppl use custom bindings for tools/consumables and those just dont show up ingame now in the equipment menu under the stuff. which yknow, isnt the end of the world, but its weird they removed that

[hazy kestrel]

Uhhh, the new interface in menus, wtf, why even change it?

[mighty cairn]

Oh so you mean for example if you picked up a random consumable from another player, you don't know which slot it's in

[iron bloom]

That plus loadouts yes

[mighty cairn]

Friend, please don't. You're the 999 millionth person

[mighty cairn]

I haven't noticed yet I've only checked out the menu until I play later, so can't comment

[hazy kestrel]

But its a mess, They deserve to hear it as they removed something functional and well known.

[mighty cairn]

They are hearing it. Crying players are review boming the game with precisely zero useable feedback, which will take them months to recover from on steam reviews

Over a fucking UI

Yes, the UI is shit. We know. Give them feedback they can actually use ffs

[iron bloom]

Also teammate K/D stats and MMR during pre lobby

Thye removed those

[mighty cairn]

Just saying "i don't like the UI" doesn't help them,

[hazy kestrel]

Weird!

Well, what are you supposed to say then?

If not the UI is bad.

[thin remnant]

okay well thats kinda nice tho

whats the point of seeing teammates stats outside of being toxic and queue dodging?

[hazy kestrel]

Why not seeing them? Seeing your friends KD, comparing, see who is good at what.

[mighty cairn]

Tell them what part of it is bad, for example you don't like how the layout is or the keybinds, or you maybe you think that they should return to having a single vertical list of weapons.

[hazy kestrel]

I dont see the issue.

[thin remnant]

if its your friend, just ask.

"being toxic and queue dodging?"

i just said the issue

[hazy kestrel]

Or, we can simply look at the screen and compare.

People will be t oxic anyway

[mighty cairn]

Tbh I'm probably part of this problem, but having a 1.7kd, if I get someone that has 0.4kd I'm queue skipping

[thin remnant]

no you cant cause they removed it

[velvet grotto]

@mighty cairn Saying the UI is bad is plenty of information considering the games reviews are at a all time low and the majority of the community are saying it's bad. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it's bad for obvious reasons

[iron bloom]

You cant now seem to identify good and bad players from hackers or newbies. Thats my biggest concern

[hazy kestrel]

Yeah, thats what im saying.

[thin remnant]

ik

[mighty cairn]

Fml, they know the community think it's bad. But nobody is telling them how to improve it.

[hazy kestrel]

Overall its confusing and much more cluttered than the last, Heck, even the music is lame.

[thin remnant]

okay you cant attack the music like that

its a banger

[velvet grotto]

@mighty cairn they have, I've seen hundreds ask for it to be reverted to it's original UI. It was a change the minority asked for not the majority

[hardy coral]

Why has nobody thanked me yet for the deadeye change

[upbeat sequoia]

I'd rather just use an excel sheet to build my hunters.

I'm struggling with how long it takes to build a hunter you'd like to take in.

[hazy kestrel]

I say its a mess, conveluted, Hard to get a good oversight right now.

[mighty cairn]

They made it very clear when they revealed the concept of the UI that they were taking in hundreds of data points of how players were interacting with the previous menu and they wnted to try to make a new menu that would make it better for everyone, they failed, but just saying "It's bad" doesn't help.

They didn't change the UI because a minority wanted it, they changed the UI because they wanted to evolve and improve the game.

[iron bloom]

Also you cant view temmate loadouts pre lobby. Imagine a newbie with kd 0.1 (100 kills/1000 deaths) runing a sniper in trio, just saying

So messed up tbh

[mighty cairn]

The old UI was absolutely awful in itself anyway.

[cerulean pasture]

Pre update patchnotes "streamlined"

[mighty cairn]

yep, don't like this. I do prefer being able to queue skip players who I think are trolling or new, but I can understand why the devs don't want me to queue skip lol

[velvet grotto]

@mighty cairn based off that info we can agree that less is more when it comes to UI changes

[upbeat sequoia]

To expand on my previous point. I think the true issue is "Clicks to play"

Fortnite might have a similar menu, but if you want to just play the game all you need to do is click the game mode you want to play.

This UI would be like if you had to change every skin you were using in Fortnite every match

[hazy kestrel]

Ah, so the university educated suits that got some kind of data made it, excellent. Stats does not make something good always.

[mighty cairn]

I completely agree with that.

[iron bloom]

UI rn is quantity over quality (Trash)

[mighty cairn]

Right, but again, so far you've added absolutely nothing that the devs can work on.
Let's pretend the university suits are now sat in the office saying "oh god, we got this wrong, let's try to make it better based on what the community is saying" then they read your comment saying "it's bad" how is that going to help?

[iron bloom]

Also basic features/stats got deleted to please console players

[mighty cairn]

Funnily enough I played Fortnite a few weeks ago for the first time in years, and I was astounded by how complicated their UI is now, it's mad

[hazy kestrel]

Simple solution, Bring back the old menu systems that we all know.

[upbeat sequoia]

Considering how long the LeMat bug went on, I doubt there's a rollback option

[hazy kestrel]

And dont follow "stats from data" thats obviosuly not working well enough.

[keen wraith]

keybind downgrade,,,,, this is so stupid, no longer jumping without vaulting

[mighty cairn]

But they wanted to make a better system. The old UI was awful also. Probably better than this one, but the old UI needed a revamp.

[mighty cairn]

You can't know if it isn't working until you try it.

[hazy kestrel]

Its not better and the whole "knowing how it is" is better than this new one that needs to be "relearned".

[keen wraith]

It really didn't

just acouple tweaks not an overhaul

[mighty cairn]

WE FUCKING KNOW IT'S NOT BETTER. Jesus christ how old are you?

You have the reading comprehension of a child.