feedback-discussion

[median zephyr]

thats magical

little things like that just make you say why

[storm pendant]

First shot doesn't pen

"Oh, guess I missed?"

Second shot doesn't pen

"Oh, that isn't penning"

The fact that the guy wasn't even moving in reaction tells me it wasn't penetrating

[median zephyr]

like, roofs that are similar should all be equal, obv if they have different wood beams in the way 0 problem, but nothing like this should exist

[storm pendant]

if it were he'd have bailed as soon as I fired the first shot

[median zephyr]

the fact they didnt even move means they may be deaf though tbf

[storm pendant]

He knew I was down there, he tried to peek me

[median zephyr]

people dont often shoot without having an IDEA where you are

[storm pendant]

It was 100% getting caught on that thin metal sheet

[median zephyr]

yea, but standing still after being shot at, is just odd

not saying it didnt get caught, i just dont know why they wouldnt move even if it was getting caught

[storm pendant]

False confidence, I guess

"haha you can't hit me"

[median zephyr]

its like the people who dont move when you cook, assuming you dont know theyre there

[storm pendant]

This one always gets me. I killed a SIX STAR with a sticky bomb

He just jumped off the side of the roof at salter's and expected me not to lob the sticky off the side at him

Lo and behold, I hit right next to his feet and he died

[median zephyr]

this is so funny, literally nobody should be dying to a sticky if theyre good, barring silent nades, or a sticky on spider who runs at light speed into you last second

people are notouriously bad at fighting throwables, this is why people fish for kills with frag bombs in lairs

[storm pendant]

I have seen people misjudge the fuse time and try to go for a cheeky shotgun kill, that's *kind of * understandable, in the heat of the moment after you've realized it's a sticky you probably don't have an exct count on the fuse

[storm pendant]

tbf youcan get insta killed by a dynamite at 13m through a wall so I don't always blame people for dying to them thinking they're safe

[median zephyr]

i suppose, but you play against all throwables the same, even if you know they have decoys, you assume worst case, so dynamite bundle or frag

[median zephyr]

not 13m, but no matter what you get somewhere as safe as possible, be wary of any stairs, or 2nd stories of compounds as theyre the most likely to go through

[storm pendant]

I always take bulwark just to reduce the chance of any stair related incidents, for whatever reason being near stairs and ladders majorly fucks w/ dynamite hit detection

[median zephyr]

i get if someone cooks, and theyre above you and you cant get away, but im talking about there is very easy ways out, and you sit or dont run

[storm pendant]

Frag bombs can go through the graves at healing waters and first testimonial, but only when they feel like it

I once tossed a frag behind a tree someone was bandaging behind and hit behind the stone graves. Not only did it not do ANY damage to him, it penned through his tree and my cover to deal 128 damage to ME

I won't lie, I was mad

[median zephyr]

no explosive is coded to pen, but due to bugs, bad collision, bad meshing, it happens sometimes

we love explosives

consistant as always

[storm pendant]

Oh I know, but after that day I thought I'd never touch a frag bomb again

He was standing maybe 5m away from it, standing still

I was behind 3 objects and still got shredded

[median zephyr]

the ONLY time explosives "pen" intentionally, is doors or windows, they ALWAYS blow through those

yea, thats not fun, im not saying they shouldve died, bc its not supposed to pen, but you shouldve been safe too

[storm pendant]

That was a couple years ago, though.

[median zephyr]

not likely, but hoping it will be fixed with the new engine, i can dream

[storm pendant]

I've occasionally been fragged through wood surfaces but not anywhere near to that extent

[median zephyr]

yea for sure, just decided it didnt like you that day

[storm pendant]

Usually only a couple frags doing like 20-something damage

That was literally my first ever frag bomb throw btw

I'm sure you can imagine my position on the frag bomb after that "incident"

I was flabbergasted

[median zephyr]

if that was me i wouldve went "wow frags pen a lot they must be good!"

when i throw it in a room itll cleave through every wall, it went through a whole tree

[storm pendant]

I had a similar thought but my thought process was more "Wow that guy was 5m away and it didn't kill him but it pens through walls, I'm never touching that shit again"

Then the next few times I used it, it didn't murder me and I figured out that it wasn't supposed to do that

[median zephyr]

hey well, mightve been a bad situation, but it taught you smth important

knowlege for a hunter, kinda worth

[storm pendant]

Tbh I don't like frag bombs that much

They're objectively good but I get more kils with dynamite

less friendly fire too

That said I also like soft-balling people in the face with pitcher and dynamites so that probably plays a part

[median zephyr]

huh interesting, i wonder if its luck, or maybe bc you use them more?

maybe smth to do with the sound catching enemies off gaurd, or letting you hear their steps more?

maybe its just a confidence thing, could be a lot

[storm pendant]

I think it's probably just that dynamite is easier to find in a match

And I bring cheap loadouts even when I'm loaded, so I don't often grab frags

[median zephyr]

that was my thoughts, with the use more idea

[storm pendant]

Idk my philosophy is go in with cheap gun, come out with other people's guns

[median zephyr]

this def works, i do the same, its more rewarding to win, and you can be excited when someone else has an expensive gun

[storm pendant]

I fucking love waxed dynamite softballing. Nobody expects to get hit with a limp sausage and explode

[median zephyr]

like if i bring a nitro, theres 1 gun i can get for more value, if i use a winnie, i can pick up MOST things

[median zephyr]

getting kills with a small dynamite >>>>

[storm pendant]

Peeking people with dynamite works more than you'd expect, even in higher tier lobbies. People don't expect you to actually to turn the corner and throw it directly at them

There is always the risk of someone being ready for it but that goes for everything

[median zephyr]

it never really works for me, as they typically one shot me as im walking slow, but hey! whatever works for ya!

[storm pendant]

Jump and turn your viewmodel a bit off to a side as you peek, then flick back at them and smack them in the face with it

DOesn't work 100% of the time, but sometimes they'll catch your arm if they shoot at you, or miss entirely

Bring bulwark in case of "accidents"

[median zephyr]

you for sure, can, but when im that slow they typically still hit the head, plus i try not to do jump peaking shenanigans

its very good, but i think it looks dumb, so i try not to use it

[storm pendant]

I learned that trick from Rust where it's more of a "do whatever is necessary no matter how cheesy" kind of environment

You can toss grenades during the apex of your jump in Rust, which is stupid funny in a game that doesn't let you jump and shoot

[median zephyr]

fair, i do not but most people do

for sure! if you time it well itll make it so you cook a little less while still airbursting

[storm pendant]

I don't jump peek with guns except for maybe shotguns

It seems like my bullet just doesn't go where I'm aiming when doing so, so I avoid it

[median zephyr]

i used to play rust, its def very interesting, although i never saw many frags

[median zephyr]

this is by design, which is a good thing imo

[storm pendant]

Grenades are more of a niche rat strat, they're good when used right but they're more for flushing people out than actually killing

[storm pendant]

Yea, I always feel a litle suspicious whenever someone triple head shots my team mid air

[median zephyr]

for sure, if i ever saw smth like that, it was beancans

[storm pendant]

Beancans are too expensive to toss at people, but sometimes you get lucky with a short fuse and airburst someone. Just not worth the risk

[median zephyr]

yea, depending on when it happened, jumping used to not have rng as long as youre not falling yet

so idk when

oh def not good, but people never used throwables against me really

[storm pendant]

It got more popular after they started being sold at outpost

grenades were just too rare to find and not worth researching and crafting

[storm pendant]

Hey how do you link to a message in a way that it'll show the channel name?

I've just been @-ing the person I was replying to

Are you deleting your messages or is that a mod culling?

[median zephyr]

ok so if you click on the buttons on the top right of a message

itll say "copy message text i bleive

copy message LINK my bad

#feedback-discussion message like so

and i deleted, i felt a bit bad

[storm pendant]

Ah okay, I was breaking it by <>ing

[median zephyr]

i like to give the mods less possible work, or random people less annoyance, they all got enough going on

[storm pendant]

I definitely do not think so positively of mods but that's respectable

I doubt they'd delete it since we changed topic on our own but you never know

#game-ideas message @near citrus I honestly think we don't need any new traits, we already have a ton of traits that just do not give you any feedback on when they're used (such as bulwark/hornskin/relentless) and I'd be more interested in seeing indicators of that sort of stuff added before new traits

[median zephyr]

i think mods help keep this place nicer, i havent seen much mod abuse at least in this discourd

bc they spend their free time, to help keep things nice, thats honrable

[storm pendant]

Eh, the way I see it is that most mods do it for the power over others, or they quickly transition to that line of thinking after receiving said power even if they join with noble intentions. Some people might call me a "commie" for that htough

[karmic ivy]

I think you are selling them short. Iv been here for over three years and the mods here are very good. Iv not seen a single case of "abuse".
Best I can guess when people accuse them of it is they expected to get away with being disrespecful to others and got muted or a ban.
Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Follow the simple rules and you will be respected and treated as you should.

Is there some partucular event that gave you a poor opinion of them?

[median zephyr]

^

[thin remnant]

^

This server has great mods

[median zephyr]

i dont think every mod is power hungry, yes they exist, but i think we got a lucky roll, or it seems that way anyway

[storm pendant]

Never met the mods of this server and hope it stays that way. (sorry for poor phrasing)

[thin remnant]

https://tenor.com/bZmrS.gif

[storm pendant]

That wasn't meant personally, meant hope that I never have a reason to have to interact w/ moderation

[thin remnant]

ah ok

well that's too bad, the mods here are actually very active with the server

most like to join in on the debates and conversations casually

[tawny meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[empty oasis]

@prime geyser Your post "Title: Add trios queing for duos" has been removed due to Make sure your idea is not already in the game or on the roadmap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxVu-IxiiIQ&t=220s

[sonic goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[storm pendant]

I phrased it poorly

it's kind of like managers at work, they're around when you need them but you hope not to have to

idk if that's a better explanation

[sonic goblet]

I get the mindset for sure. Moderation can easily be compared to HR

If it gives you some perspective, I just wanted to help out in the community I love being a part of. Easy to let power go to your head in many scenarios but our team is constantly checking eachother and the actions we take.

Genuinely, we just care about the community. Rules are necessary, especially since we’re a partnered server

The same cannot be said about every Discord server

[thin remnant]

response

[paper belfry]

@storm pendant i don't know why dislike this, would be amazing that each prestige 100 reset you get 1000 BB or more

[storm pendant]

Okay maybe not bloodbonds

I really just want to keep prestiging because I like doing it, I'm really sad about not being able to keep doing it after 100

[paper belfry]

For reseting prestige 100? 100% should it be BB

[storm pendant]

Devs are trying to cut down on how many BBs they give out, I don't like it but they would never spring for that

[paper belfry]

Being able to pick 2 skins of your chosing is a good way too

[storm pendant]

They could massively improve the bloodbond inflation issue if they made a way to buy past event skins with BBs like I proposed here: #game-ideas message

And it would be a way to get cheaper skins out to players who can't afford a ton of BBs

[thin remnant]

@storm pendant i think its disliked because people think it would take away from the achievement of getting to prestige 100, the "max prestige"

[storm pendant]

I don't see how, you'd still have the achievement clearly marked for other people

You just get to do it again

[thin remnant]

people probably want to be able to say "I'm max prestige"

at least thats my theory as to why its disliked

[storm pendant]

Shrug they could just not reset

Feels like a weird reason but I want someone who downvoted it to weigh in

[thin remnant]

but they're not "the max" anymore

[thin remnant]

well, I've seen a similar/the same suggestion before and the people said this exact thing

[storm pendant]

That's fair, I guess. I just never want to stop prestiging, I'm gonna be really bummed when I hit 100 and then I just have to sit on my hunt dollars and do fuck all when I hit bloodline 100

[thin remnant]

maybe you get to reset but it doesnt make number go up idk

[storm pendant]

I've been trying to do quad dolch runs at the start of every prestige or something equally frivolous every run and it's been great fun, still doesn't make a dent in my bank account but yknow

I spend more money rerolling hunters trying to get specific variants of guns I don't have unlocked yet than I ever have on actual gear.

The only way I can even make my bank account approach being at risk is by blowing thousands on rerolls

[thin remnant]

yeah idk how people run out of money

its like theyre either dying every game or running mosin dolch every game

[storm pendant]

I have a friend who until recently was pretty bad, and he brought a long ammo rifle pretty much every game. He's gotten way better in the last couple months but still brings expensive guns every single round

[storm pendant]

Tbf when I'm solo I usually go like 5 or 6 games before a W but my guns are so cheap that I break even off one win

That's just me though

Solo is just rough in general

[thin remnant]

solos do get like 999999x the money

[storm pendant]

If you ever want to feel like the best and worst player alive at the same time, solo is a great way to do that.

[storm pendant]

It's only 2.5x against duos I think, it's a lot but unless you go huge it's not all that much more than you'd make with a duo bringing out 2 tokens

[thin remnant]

as a solo it's best to do trios.

more money and it's actually easier

because you're unlikely to be third partied [you can do the third partying yourself]

[storm pendant]

I hate trio v solo, even when the players you're fighting are worse if they're aggressive you just keep getting backed off forever and it's harder to hold bodies. I prefer the chaos of duos

[storm pendant]

Also, in duos third partying can often be a benefit because you can take advantage of the chaos to self rez.

[thin remnant]

eh i guess its subjective

im just regurgitating what rachta said lol

[storm pendant]

Trio v solo is an exercise in futility in my experience, I kill 1, then immediately get pushed off the body by two people two-prong pushing me and then it's back up to 3

Rachta is literally the top 5% of players, though, it's a bit different for him

I'm just a scrub

Can't all be rachta 😦

[thin remnant]

i personally find trios easier

it's not that some are better, it's that we have different skillsets

i dont want to be rachta, having your own skillset and playstyle is fun [and i dont like trying too hard]

[chrome oyster]

@storm pendant on the ammo thing, that should be covered by the August 15th update more or less ... all custom ammo will be unlocked immediately when you unlock the gun. So it might still be nice to not buy it sometimes, but it will no longer be impossible to buy it if you can buy the gun.

[storm pendant]

Oh shit, you right

I forgot about that

I need to go watch the insights again

[chrome oyster]

🙂

[rotund obsidian]

@storm pendant #game-ideas message shit i would like this for the sole purpose of getting the "kill ... with poison" challenges even if it functioned the exact same ingame lmao. fuckin sucks having to take poison bullets for those. traps and poison bombs are atrocious at killing hellhounds, they just run straight through.

[storm pendant]

I'm glad you like it

[storm pendant]

An upvote would help :)

[rotund obsidian]

while I do think throwing knives need a buff, i'd settle for just heavily reducing the movement inaccuracy. absolutely absurd that it'll miss on either side of a lamp 10 meters away just because i wasn't standing still.

meanwhile you can throw a spear while SPRINTING then split it with a second one at like 50 meters away lmao

[storm pendant]

I didn't know it had that, but I do still think knives need slight touch up, and a light poison coating that buffs damage against some AI while not crossing the threshhold for the ones that axes are suited for is the best way in my opinion

Simple, rrrrrefined, elegant

Poison throwing knives are also just cool

[rotund obsidian]

my only concern would be that it doesn't make them any more effective against hives since they're immune to poison

[storm pendant]

Sure but it still only takes one well placed knife anyway

Poison arrows aren't any better against hives but still one tap them

Poison bullets don't do less damage to hives, they just don't do extra

[rotund obsidian]

well placed is the key word there lmao, the spread is ABSURD

[storm pendant]

I haven't had much trouble hitting their heads personally, I didn't even know they had movement inaccuracy in all honesty

[rotund obsidian]

the main reason i stopped taking them. nothing worse than walking straight at a zombie, throwing a knife that goes left of their head, then the second goes right.

[storm pendant]

There, added an addendum to the assailant+sprint post

Assailant in my proposed change would now reduce the movement innacuracy of the throwing axe and knives

[rotund obsidian]

any throwable without the aim prediction line has inaccuracy, but to varying degrees. spear has basically zero, axe and knife are both enough to be annoying but at least axe will still kill stuff to the body

hang on im sure ive taken a rage clip at some point cause of knives

this one hit

this one did not hit

[storm pendant]

Damn dude

[rotund obsidian]

like my aim isnt PERFECT but that little horizontal variance makes going for headshots or lanterns past like 10-15m so annoying. i dont wanna stand still and crouch for every knife throw

you're one pixel too far left and the game knows it so the knife comes out as far left as possible lmao

https://medal.tv/games/hunt-showdown/clips/iglYqDB7nanWqaHly/d1337W0KUbgX?invite=cr-MSxGakQsMTk4ODM1MTE5LA

[rotund obsidian]

like i wasnt even moving for this one and it still threw that far left of center

[storm pendant]

That crunchy render resolution reminds me of when I played on a 1050ti

[storm pendant]

I never noticed, honestly

Added it to the assailant suggestion because that is bullshit, literally some of the hardest to use weapons in Hunt it doesn't need more handicaps

[civic ledge]

Is there a logical reason why big crossbow bolt types and bomblance bolt types have not been made interchangeable so far? Like is there something in the way of those 2 weapons sharing ammo types?
(Genuinely asking)

[storm pendant]

Massive difference in projectile size, the bomb lance's launching mechanism wouldn't fire a bolt accurately

The crossbow wouldn't fire the bomb lance projectile at all

Also, there's presumably some kind of mechanism in the bomb lance that arms the shells, whether it be frags, explosive harpoons, or steel ball

[civic ledge]

i see. ok. I always thought they looked the same size but i guess i didnt see properly

[storm pendant]

@mighty knot Did you just downvote my suggestion becasue I downvoted yours lol? That was almost immediate

[mighty knot]

?

Tf you on about, why would you even check for that

Besides, i also downvoted my own suggestion as well

[quartz iris]

https://prnt.sc/6raWZR3akH2P

Tell me how I am supposed to be ok with this? Go on. This is on the EU server at 7-8 PM which is within the active (if not peak) hours.

I really want to hear from the resident Crytek white knight how this is acceptable in some back-alley way and I should be understanding of the developer and Their difficulties. You know, those people whose thought process usually ends at "It's not easy to make a fair system" and "If you don't like it, don't play" who realistically don't even understand or value balance but always butt into conversations about it. Those people who label most everything as "crying" because its hard to process anything over 3 sentences long and scary to engage in thought provoking communication. I'm listening.

It is not due to lack of players - this is on one of the most populated servers during peak hours.

It is not due to modifiers, because all 4 groups are Trio Random (which by the way... How do you pair a 5 and a 2 and a 6 and a 3 with random player searches?!?). And if it's not true (because I think there might be a glitch showing Trio Random on premades) that's even WORSE because we would have a stronger modifier due to being randoms which would put us even further away from lobbies with 5s and 6s who are in premade groups.

It is not due to us being on the brink of ranking up and them on the brink of ranking down because that would require literally every person on my team and Team 2 to be that way and I know I'm not - and EVEN THEN, this is not enough to make up the difference.

And I cannot for the life of me think of other reasons how this could possibly be justified...! It's just completely incompetent and inadequate.

How do you work for a big gaming corporation, make good money as a developer/balance team member and produce a system which fails at BASIC ARITHMETIC?!? How is the team matchmaking rating 2.5 for a 3, a 5 and a 6? Their average is 4.6!!! 4.6 against 2.5 That is over 2 full stars of rating being lost in translation somewhere... It's just embarrassing at that point... How are you getting in front of a camera and speaking to the people that funded your salary about the product you've pushed out and not feel shame?

Mind you, for a PvP FPS game, the SECOND thing you do after structuring the game's mechanics and basics is to implement a way to match players against each other. The Very Next Thing after the bedrock... And we're discussing a 6 year old release here which is valued at 30 Euro a pop. It does not have the "new game" excuse because this is an issue that you can have within the first year or MAX on the second year of your release but no way on year 6... It does not have the "free game" excuse because you are asking people for good money in exchange for your product and then it's this... It's just so incompetent and so insulting to the customer.

This is not an isolated example. This happens daily. This is how you drive players away. This is how the gaming community labels a gaming company - Sales, expansions and skins over balance. At least Blizzard and Bethesda got big and rich first...

I am a player who fell in love with Hunt, who has been playing almost daily for the last year and who has every single day 2 Twitch tabs of Hunt open, supporting the content on every platform. I have influenced at least 5 other people to purchase the game and advertised it to others too. I acted as free advertisement and support for the popularity of the project on top of my own purchases and you can work out the spread from there if every one that learned of the game from me, told about it to a few people themselves (which I know they did). And I am at the end of my rope here, all but ready to quit and not return. I do not write this thinking I am some loss to be cried over, I write it knowing I am one of many who are walking away from a project which is based on a gold-vein type of an idea which was just executed in an embarrassingly inadequate way. Pity...

[chrome oyster]

@quartz iris I'm reserving judgement until the update on the 15th ... part of me wonders if it's a visual glitch. My matches haven't felt insane but they've definitely looked insane post match.

my other thought is maybe there's been a back end change that needs the new client to work properly ... so we're getting worse results than we will after the full launch because something isn't in the client right now

like we're kind of in a limbo state between the old system and the new

... but very speculative, definitely frustrating as a player to see in the post match "how the heck did that person get into this match??" stuff

[mortal granite]

I've also been getting CRAZY unbalanced games it seems. I trend between High 4 and 5 depending on the day, and most of my games as a (solo) are squads of 5 and 6 stars, but, the match MMR is apparently only 3? I thought solos were supposed to have modifiers to reduce this?

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message i physically cannot understand why people dont like this, if people think prestiging actually makes you stronger somehow, sure you get some money if you were out, but you wont have most of the good traits (besides like doctor) you wont have any long ammo snipers, no uppercut, no good throwables, no big vit shot, prestiging would make the player weaker 100% so this change would not hurt anyone.

#game-ideas message all weeklys will be the same for people next update, so its coming :)

#game-ideas message i dont hate this, however i think throwing knives and axes should be near pinpoint accurate by default if not fully, if youre hitting people with the SLOWEST projectile in the game, with immediate drop, you deserve the kill, and if youre sniping kennels by mortaring it, thats a skill that you should be rewarded for

#game-ideas message this isnt a bad idea, i personally dont think throwing knives need this kind of buff, but id def be for it, the only things i worry about is this making them worse against hives/ spider, bc it absolutely doesnt need a nerf, esp with hives, and if itd kill meatheads too quick

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message custom ammo in general is fixed next update bc its all unlocked by default, however, you should be able to click any individual cell to disable it (say you have 3 of the 4 tools unlocked you can click on the 4th to disable it)

[tiny pivot]

I wonder why they’re doing that with custom ammo

[sand kiln]

Giving people less stuff to complain about prestiging

[median zephyr]

making prestieging easier/ making it so weeklys arent held back if you prestiege

youll always have the custom ammo needed for the challenges

#game-ideas message i love this idea for most things, the only thing i dont want to see is items being given to everyone, where you actually did something special, no im not talking about "hey i was here for this event" im talking about something like the benefactor, for playing in early access

[sand kiln]

Yeah stuff like that should be ok to keep

Viper Phase 4 is a good example of this too, only 10% of the community got them (at least on PC)

Idk if the Leaderboard also counted console

It was a grind fr

[tiny pivot]

As much as I agree, the pessimist in me wants to remind that Halo has done all this for like 4 years now but nothing really has come of it in mainstream gaming

But let’s hope a titan like Fortnite can make some actual change

[sand kiln]

Helldivers 2 also did a good move on this

[median zephyr]

only 10% of players got this skin?? total percent, or like acitve players? bc thats wild

[sand kiln]

Players that played that event iirc

[median zephyr]

like i get not getting the bonus charms or whatever they gave out, but i didnt expect the legendary hunter to be that low

huh, learn smth new every day i suppose!

[storm pendant]

@sand kiln #game-ideas message :)

[sand kiln]

Would be nice if it weren't being removed next patch

[storm pendant]

That’s kinda the point of my suggestion yeah. It seems so obvious to me but I guess not lol (using the black market I mean)

[sand kiln]

I know, but I doubt they will go back on their choice of removing it

But I like they idea of giving it a new purpose, but also all that can just be done in the normal store

So would be back to the point of "we can just do that on the normal store"

[storm pendant]

I doubt they’ll ever mitigate the FOMO mechanic even given a good monetary incentive to do so but hey, it’s still worth a shot

[sand kiln]

Which is why Black Market will be replaced with more discounts

They already started they going away from FOMO

[storm pendant]

Not really?

[sand kiln]

They started by making some purchasable hunters coming with events just staying as regular legendaries

[storm pendant]

Twitch drops and battlepasses are still very much going strong

[sand kiln]

They started doing this during Tide of corruption

[storm pendant]

That’s not reaallly moving away from FONO though. None of the pass skins are effected

[sand kiln]

During past event there would be 1000-1500 BB legendary skins

They would be gone after the event is done too

Just like Cardinal Rain and Fang guy from Tide of Shadows

And the pickle Wax dynamite skin

They got rid of this FOMO practice in that aspect, while not perfect still a nice detail

And suggestion and ideas about how to remove FOMO would help devs to keep going nice and healthy path for everyone

Also profitable

[storm pendant]

I agree, but if the price per pass skin is any more than like, 250 blood bonds I would be pretty annoyed

[sand kiln]

They keep bringing back Twitch drops skins time to time, I started playing during Traitors moon, and thanks to all the Twitch drops they have done, I'm just missing the bow skin now

[storm pendant]

The reason I suggest the black market is because of its rotating stock function

[sand kiln]

As events they only confirmed as the crow flies stuff won't returning in a 90% chance if you want to take it like that

But we could see stuff from like Traitors Moon coming back, for example

[sand kiln]

That's why buying the BP would be more worthy than individually buying the skins

[storm pendant]

250 BBs would still add up to be more than the cost of the pass and wouldn’t net any bloodbond return like completing the pass does.

[sand kiln]

Just like stuff from past holidays event are expensive

[sand kiln]

Then you just buy the BP and complete it

Or just buy the stuff you want separately

[storm pendant]

Yes that is my point. Not everyone wants the full pass or to grind to complete it

[sand kiln]

There you give a nice incentive for people to buy BPs and the option for those who missed it to buy the Cosmetics

Either way it would reduce FOMO in a huge way

[median zephyr]

i agree with some of this, however pricing these skins at 250 bbs would be WAY underpricing them, idm if theyre fairly priced, as theyre just cosmetics, and should be a good bit depending on the skin

the only people who suffer from reducing fomo is people who want to feel special and exclusive, i wouldnt even mind if you got a little star or smth on the skin for getting it when it came out and not buying it, but it leads to more skin variety, more things to buy, and more money for the game, everyone wins

[chrome oyster]

@sand kiln I generally agree about the FOMO thing ... I do think exclusive stuff per event is still cool though. What I'd prefer is that any passes you purchase you have as long as you want to finish. You just pick which pass is "active" (and one is automatically made active if none is selected and you have an incomplete one)

like it's neat to have at least a couple "I was here for X" skins

[median zephyr]

this doesnt really help fomo stuff at all, you basically said "i agree about the fomo thing. but i dont want you to be able to get event stuff" which is the only things that are fomo right now

[chrome oyster]

... it helps a lot

[median zephyr]

in what way?

[chrome oyster]

the biggest thing with FOMO is that you have a fixed time finish something

if you can say "I reserve a ticket for this", there's no FOMO

you have your ticket, just finish it whenever

[median zephyr]

youre assuming everyone was there

[sand kiln]

So just like in Helldivers 2?

[median zephyr]

if a player joined after the event happened, youre just screwed forever

[chrome oyster]

yeah (I think)

[chrome oyster]

yeah, and I'm fine with that

I have accept I will probably never get the Plague Doctor

oh well

[sand kiln]

The issue with this, Hunt moves along events, with new BPs and changes

[median zephyr]

i believe you are suggesting a seperate thing, to basically allow infinate time, not so much to help newer players

[sand kiln]

So Helldivers 2 method of Warbonds wouldn't fix that much

Fortnite's fix more since it shares that "season" feeling per event

[chrome oyster]

new players don't have FOMO, they couldn't possibly fear missing something they didn't know about

[median zephyr]

fomo is kinda a catch all term, if saying unreturning items helps more, thats more what were referring to

[chrome oyster]

nothing says you can't just let players gain "points" on the old passes though... like you could just give challenges "pass points" if you have any passes

[sand kiln]

I'm a collectionist in the game

Only stuff I'm missing are past event stuff and a bow skin from Twitch drops

I felt bad when I knew Plague Doctor stuff wouldn't come back again

[chrome oyster]

I'm kinda the same way, but ... I also think it's cool for players that have been playing from the start to have some unique stuff

[sand kiln]

But have faith light the shadow will return

[chrome oyster]

I say that as someone that's only started playing like ... 1-2 years ago(?)

[sand kiln]

I did too

I started in Traitor's Moon.

[chrome oyster]

I think Serpent Moon was my first event

[sand kiln]

And as someone that love this game I would love to own everything I can

[median zephyr]

i was there since beta, these players didnt really do much special to earn these items, plus selling them again would make crytek money, so the only people this hurts is people who want to feel special by having something others cant

[sand kiln]

I'm just that invested

[median zephyr]

theyve had it for years, that was their reward, they wont have to pay extra to buy it, i dont even care if they get a special star to show they were there

[chrome oyster]

well ... like RuneScape back in the day had holiday items (they still have them, but that stuff was done even before Jagex got money hungry). I don't see it as much different than that, something to show for your participation in XYZ event from ZYK year

[sand kiln]

Fortnite won't be adding back old BPs to their ítem shop, just the new ones after the announcement, If Crytek do at least that

I would be happy

Just a step to a better direction

Is not like it really about me, I will grind every event like a crazy boy

But mostly new hunters missing good stuff because they started in a later time

[median zephyr]

theyre already kinda leaning twords this

[chrome oyster]

there will be new good stuff though 🙂

[median zephyr]

most skins are staying, which is a good thing, they either come back around the event or are there forever like santa

[sand kiln]

Yeah they removed the event BBs exclusive skins

Good move

[median zephyr]

i dont get why things need to be seasonal, if event skins are a bit expenisve, thats cost enough

but ig "this goes away in a month" rakes in more money

[chrome oyster]

I wouldn't hate it if "everything" was up for grabs ... but I just think it's nice to have some stuff to show "oh dang that person has been playing for years!!" (if they're aware enough to know the history of the skin)

[sand kiln]

Seasons are a nice way to categorize content

Bring content, thematics

[chrome oyster]

you'll never have that if you're allowed to collect "everything", even a "sticker" or profile background or something people would want to collect

[sand kiln]

Etc, so I'm not really against them

[median zephyr]

its neat in a way, but for instance i never see plague doctor, i never see most event skins, which sucks bc theyre cool

[chrome oyster]

maybe "event badges" would be a better way to do it

like when you view a profile, just like KDR you can see their event badges and what rank they got

[median zephyr]

i wouldnt mind someone who was there getting something to say "i was there"

literally 0 issue

[chrome oyster]

I think CSGO does something like that actually

[median zephyr]

it just sucks that theres so many skins nobody can get, and i say that as someone with all the event skins

like i said a star on the skin, or a badge like you said, literally anything

[chrome oyster]

yeah, profile badges could be fun

like merit badges

[median zephyr]

even just like giving players that page that says how many EP they got, what pact they signed up to for, anything

[chrome oyster]

"oh wow they've got 32 badges!"

[median zephyr]

yea that could be sick

i doubt theyd do it bc thats a lot of work, and idk if it can be like, backtraced, but id like it, esp if you can like showcase them

[chrome oyster]

depends what data they have on the backend

might have deleted it, might not have

you could also do it going forward only

or estimate based on skins that are unlocked

[median zephyr]

im not a dev so idk how complicated that would be, but itd be very cool, can def be done going forward

but the main thing i want is past event skins to add some more variety and make people happier

[chrome oyster]

I am a dev (just not for this game) 😛 It could be easy, could be hard ... wish I could tell which case it is lol

[median zephyr]

like the people who would be upset, vs the many who would be happier its well worth it

yea for sure, i more meant a dev on this game lol

idk what data they keep, or throw or who knows

[thin remnant]

@sly fjord i might like this, only if its a seperate thing you need to purposefully do or very precise.

otherwise people will ping common spots when entering an area or ping something they think may be a trap but can't tell, then see if it's a trap or not

or you need to be extremely close to the trap for it to work, or it only works on friendly traps

idk

[fluid osprey]

Another bonified classic hunt showdown matchmaking moment
4 star trio vs trios of double6s and5s

Worst part is I headshot one of these dudes so now my elo went up

Get me out of here

[marble moon]

@sand kiln so many abreviations in your suggestion i don't understand a single thing you're saying

[queen jungle]

@keen minnow Crytek tried solo bounty hunt in the past and it was an awful experience through and through. That's why we got Quickplay/Soul Survivor as Hunt's dedicated solo mode.

[empty oasis]

@waxen merlin #game-ideas message

You basically described poison ammo

[waxen merlin]

Poison ammo doesn't work against spider

[empty oasis]

There are only 3 and they're all common
Quality of Life
Fear of Missing Out
Battle Pass

[empty oasis]

But it does for all the other bosses and ai you mentioned
Edit: aside from hive

You'd essentially be making poison ammo+

[waxen merlin]

I mostly use special ammo types such as bleed, burn, poison for enemy hunters, but I'd like something specific for monster killers.

I understand what you mean is that it would be extremely situational vs certain enemies, but I would like to see silver as it's a common usage against unholy in old folklore and a lot of modern fiction.

Like burn and poison can be be nulled by the pig, spider, and hive, but silver is specific for monster hunting with no counter

[thin remnant]

@keen minnow soul survivor might work for you, i know its not the same tho

[thin remnant]

dealing regular bullet damage on hunters is a bit much dont you think

like what realistic downside do they get

[keen minnow]

Oh i think i joined after this was removed . I wish i could've experienced it myself. What was the awful experience exactly? The fact that hunters could make their own builds? I'm curious 🙂

[mortal granite]

Feedback: Matchmaking--Will this likely be fixed with the new update?

I trend between 4 and 5 (because solo versus Trio) and it seems that the modifier really doesn't adjust the players I get. I have a little over 300 hours and I'm prestige 4, and I'm constantly facing Prestige 20+ with players with THOUSANDS of hours

[waxen merlin]

Cost more to purchase.
Special ammo type so harder to find more

[thin remnant]

Special ammo is barely a downside, we've seen that before from game experience, and having cost be the only real downside is sucky. Look at all the special ammo types in the game, they have downsides.

Well, hv has a very miniscule downside but it's still a downside, and I personally think it should have more of a downside

and what the other guy said, it's basically poison ammo v2. most people only use poison against AI and its the popular belief that it sucks against enemy hunters.

[thin remnant]

in fact, special ammo can even be an upside, if you're running a regular ammo rifle, you sometimes want a special ammo pistol so you can refill from all ammo crates.

[keen minnow]

I have tried Soul Survivor but the most frustrating i was put with random weapons, and got spawned close to people with better weapons for those moments. Example: I started off with a bow and arrow and my enemy was there with a winfield vandal.. and it was a open field haha. These sorts of things happened to me too much to enjoy soul survivor.
I play bounty hunting because i can customize my hunter as i please. I play alone and with friends, but was just wondering about that suggestion. But if it already has been tried.. it is what it is i guess 😛

[thin remnant]

Yeah well, it would be nice if the player base was infinite and could afford experimenting with all these game modes, but sadly not

I respect you for taking responses respectfully

I didn't play much if at all when it was a thing, so I don't know why it was a bad experience, but I'll take their word for it

[keen minnow]

I should adjust the suggestion, saying that there must be a new game mode for soul survivor where people can customize their weapons sets. Then i'll most likely play it a lot when my friends are not online. In Regards, solo bounty hunting is just using different strategies. But it can become boring at some point.

[thin remnant]

@sharp shell "Extract burnt teammates"

This suggestion seems unfinished. It would require an entirely new body dragging system, why not just suggest that and add the extract thing as a feature of it?

And if the suggestion is finished, it'd be so wacky only being able to carry redskulls, and then could you drop them? Could you drag them to a safer place to bounty revive?

By the way it's frowned upon to upvote your own suggestions

[queen jungle]

It was pretty much ten players playing super carefully, since any mistake could get you killed. Sometimes you had people all sitting outside the boss compound because nobody wanted to put themselves at a disadvantage and engage the boss first.
So it turned into a game of waiting for somebody to make a mistake that gets them killed and hopefully for you to survive until the end so you could then kill the boss.

[chrome oyster]

I feel like that's still how solo play goes. More often than not when I queue solo I get matched almost exclusively against solos ... and the other solos all want to play sneaky

[karmic ivy]

I play solo fairly often and I get a mix of both solos and duos. Iv only seen a small handful of games be exclusively solos. It is rare in my experience.

How often do you see this?

[chrome oyster]

It feels like it's been a fairly regular occurrence when I've tried solos in recent memory... but it's admittedly been a bit. I kind of got tired of getting shot in the back, and then corpse camped (if I happened to have necro)...

[queen jungle]

Playing sneaky as solo is smart since you don't have anybody to rescue you if you die.
But if everybody is solo, it becomes a test of patience to see who makes a mistake first.

[chrome oyster]

Yeah, it's smart but I don't find it particularly enjoyable. I wish the game had a better solo activity that didn't require "playing sneaky and slow" for success

[tribal wyvern]

Pure fire event, you burn faster, chokes last shorter.
What could be the winning pact this time? Hmmm mmmhmmmm i wonder, man what a difficult choice. Could be LAWFUL THE ONLY PACT THAT CAN RESTORE HEALTH CHUNKS.

Why would anyone give a shit about some speedboost or sprint while using a consum or not scaring birds/breaking branches. When you can literally get all your hp back.

"We've learned from past events"
The fuck you have.

Which pact won every single time before?
Either some batshit broken one that can kill anything , like shadowleap, because there already existed an option to restore healthbars. OR the one pact that allowed to restore burnt bars

Also PC Gamer most have paid a good price to get pretty much exclusive behind the scene info

Maybe they add many more ways to add bars back, but at that point, why even have a pact for it then?

[karmic ivy]

BTW Freddie, did you figure out that you can report players with hidden stats yet?

[tribal wyvern]

no, how?

[karmic ivy]

In the after game screen that shows the players in the match with you.

[tribal wyvern]

Ye where do i click there? Because clicking the names doesnt do anything

It doesnt open anything

[karmic ivy]

It does when I click it

[tribal wyvern]

not when i do it, thats kinda why i reported it

[karmic ivy]

get a screen shot next time and we can probably show you.

Ill see if I can get one. im ingame and just finished a match.

[tribal wyvern]

Even better is that if you turn off the game after a match, last match button is gone

I mean i got 3.8k hours in the game, i'm not new to it. But clicking on them doesn't do shit anyway. Only if i have hidden off before the game starts.

Even if i turn off "hide stats" & then go back to the last match, i see names but still cannot click em

[karmic ivy]

all I did was click the name.

[tribal wyvern]

Doesn't work for me, which i just said.

[karmic ivy]

can you get a screen shot?

[tribal wyvern]

No because the game removes last match if you turn off the game

And i won't be playing it today

Got other stuff todo 😛

[karmic ivy]

Sure, just wanted to let you know it works.

[tribal wyvern]

You do realise that a "it works for me" is not really proving anything

[karmic ivy]

Im not trying to "prove" anything.

Just FYI

[tribal wyvern]

But it does not work for me regardless if it does for you

[karmic ivy]

And I am sure there are reasons. Just letting you know it works for myself and everyone else Iv encounted who wanted to report someone.

maybe it will help you figure it out.

[tribal wyvern]

Well im happy for you. But it's not functional for me, whatever the reason may be. But this example is the same as if someone calls in that their tv is broken and you turns your on and goes "well mine works, my friends works to, you must be doing something wrong."

Theres plenty of bugs reported here that i never see, doesn't mean they don't exist

[karmic ivy]

TVs are not games with steam verified files. BTW have you verified your files?

[tribal wyvern]

The comparison is not tv and videogames, the comparison is checking if it works on your side when i'm reporting an issue on my side.

[karmic ivy]

That is true, I don't think anyone would seriously claim they don't exsist because they have not experienced it personally.

[karmic ivy]

Information is good for troubleshooting. knowing it works for others helps you figure out where your situation is different than theirs.

[tribal wyvern]

Information like "it works for me" is not helpful.
Comparing situations is useful in cases if i had said "my game looks really bad, the trees justs pops in" and its fine for u, in which we'd compare settings for example.

[karmic ivy]

Its helped me in the past. I think it is helpful. Good luck. I would reccomend you verify your files and ask crytek support if they have encountered any other players with a similar issue.

[dusky tapir]

@solemn vector #game-ideas message Keep in mind all deployables and world loot ( including the portable medical kit ) are changing so that every player in the lobby can use them once

[solemn vector]

Ohh sorry, I didn't know that applied to the consumable version as well. I suppose that would make it somewhat better than it currently is.

[thin remnant]

@solemn vector you're basically suggesting to make the first aid kit a worse toolbox

(also you mixed up physician and doctor)

[solemn vector]

In my thinking it seems like it wouldn't be worse. You'd still get the 100 HP, but in the form of first aid charges that can be used anywhere at anytime, instead of right then and there. I thought it was a good idea

[thin remnant]

What if you didn't bring medkits? You just can't use it?

Also it would no longer be able to heal you fast and without using any med charges, as I assume you need an empty med charge to refill (if not it'd be broken) you can no longer use it to heal with all your charges still remaining, and it's much slower.

Anyway, I said a worse toolbox, not a worse first aid kit.
There is another item in the game called "tool box" it is also a consumable, like the first aid kit, and it basically does what you are suggesting; refills your medkits. But it also refills your other tools and consumables.

Medkits are already extremely high on the priority, if not the top iirc, to refill when using toolboxes, so this idea you're suggesting is basically a worse toolbox.
A toolbox that only restores medkits.

[solemn vector]

I suppose I was looking at it from the viewpoint of the medical kit being used outside of combat to reliably restore the first aid kit charges used in combat. I always bring a first aid kit and use it in combat, so I reckon I couldn't imagine anyone not bringing one. And in my mind, something that only gives first aid charges sounds pretty nice. If I'm out of charges I don't really want to "roll the dice" on a toolbox and hope that I get first aid charges. This is just my opinion and thought processes.

[thin remnant]

Iirc but I may be wrong, a toolbox will always give you at least one medkit if one is missing, so IF I'm remembering correctly, the only use for this is if you're missing more than one medkit AND you don't have doctor (single medkits restore would be useless in the face of toolbox, meaning there's no reason to use with toolbox), and at that point it's just so niche and they're far too similar

Usually missing multiple medkits means you only have 1 or 0 left, unless frontiersman

[storm pendant]

#game-ideas message

A downside could be less total ammo. Cost alone isn’t really a strong enough balancing factor and we have enough ammo that just doesn’t pen. Being special ammo is easy to circumvent

[solemn vector]

I almost never get first aid charges, but I've never paid much attention to whether my first aid charges were full or not at the time, so you may be correct about that and if so then I suppose that could be a reliable enough source, making my suggestion less than ideal. I maybe haven't looked at this from all angles and gameplay elements, but I figured I'd throw it out there and people could discuss it and maybe make it more viable through said discussion. So, thanks for your feedback.

[thin remnant]

No problem thx for being chill, I'm fairly certain but as I said, not fully 100% sure, I'll have to test eventually

[chrome oyster]

@storm cairn you lost me at #4

[storm pendant]

Nah it’s still chance based but it does appear to prioritize med kit charges

[thin remnant]

Cool thanks, yeah it definitely prioritises it

Although my argument isn't as strong now that that's confirmed

I'm glad to know now tho

[solemn vector]

Another part of my thought process was that if the Medical kit consumable was strictly a first aid kit resupply, then that could also make the toolbox strictly for other stuff, so you could reliably get explosives and such when you need them instead of maybe getting a first aid charge when you don't exactly need it right then, if that makes sense.

[storm cairn]

Why?

[thin remnant]

This actually could be interesting maybe

Eliminates some of that chance and makes for more strong choices in loadouts

[storm pendant]

The worst feeling in tbe world is desperately needing a medkit, not having pack mule, and getting a fusee or something

[thin remnant]

Packmule S tier

[solemn vector]

Exactly my thoughts!

[storm pendant]

I frequently take it over necro when short on points I think it’s that good. Also necro is cheesy af

[thin remnant]

Also I must've mixed it up, it's looting a downed hunter where you ALWAYS get a medkit if you have an empty charge.

I didn't realise hunter looting and tool boxes worked so differently

[chrome oyster]

Because if melee attachments are weak they're not worth bringing. You're better off using a scope or just saving some money on iron sights.

I think they can be higher stamina cost than a dedicated tool or weapon, but I don't think they should be weaker

[storm pendant]

That is news to me tbh

[chrome oyster]

IIRC the melee attachments actually used to be fairly weak and they buffed them to get more players to use them

[thin remnant]

This might actually just be with packmule idk lol

I'm 99.9% sure this time

[storm pendant]

Yessir. The bayonets took 2 melees to chest. They were… fine?

[thin remnant]

I think it's the case even without packmule

[solemn vector]

I hadn't really thought about that either actually.

[storm pendant]

Talons were much slower, cost more stamina, and did less damage

[thin remnant]

And bayos got more sway

[storm pendant]

I think that’s still a thing

[thin remnant]

They either removed it or are removing it

But it might be the case atm idk

They said on a dev insight

[storm cairn]

Well, being less stamina efficient makes them weaker. As i wrote, a Bayonet would absolutely make sense to be more effective in pvp than a normal knife for example. However they somehow need to be weaker somehow otherwisse the dedicated ones become obsolete

[storm pendant]

Neat. Idk why but neat

[chrome oyster]

I don't think they become obsolete ... it's just a matter of picking guns to put attachments on where the gun itself is kind of a tradeoff

like the romero talon ... that's inherently a tradeoff vs some better shotgun or even better variant of the romero

even now, normally when I pick a talon weapon (or something of that ilk) ... my dusters/knife slot becomes a throwing knife/axe slot or something like that

[storm pendant]

@waxen merlin Alright for your silver bullet suggestion, I think it needs a downside other than cost as I said earlier. Cost is not really the strongest balancing factor and only impacts newer players or less experienced ones. Even if you’re losing most games you should still pretty easily be able to stay in the green.

Obv like I said less total ammo, but perhaps it could be limited to guns like the Martini Henry, which has lower chamber pressure than the bigger rifles, and select compact/medium ammo guns. (I was thinking Marathon, for example) Silver realistically would deform and not be very effective if shot out of something large, that’s why it’s not ever used in modern firearms, higher chamber pressure. This also means that the guns effected by it could still have a decent ammo pool even after taking a hit, preventing them from just being paperweights after a few shots. I would say no 1-slot it 2-slot capable guns, though, that would just be kind of broken.

[storm cairn]

True, generally i think the melee attachments aren't in bad spot and need a lot (if any) rework anyway. I just wanted to list them aswell for the sake of completion.

[solemn vector]

So, after further discussion do you think it could be a viable idea, maybe with some tweaks?

[storm pendant]

Not really solely because I like the medkit the way it is. fantastic team play healing if you know where to place it.

I think a better suggestion would be to make placed toolboxes guarantee a medkit instead. You can either take better, near instant heal for 2 people on your team or a toolbox which gives you a slower, usually worse heal without doctor.

You kind of miss the point when you call it “inflexible, expensive and only good for a single heal” because it isn’t a single heal, it’s currently two, and soon to be more

Although they said that they’re changing medkits and toolboxes to be usable by everyone

[solemn vector]

I guess that's maybe part of my issue with the medical kit, just haven't learned the best way and times to use it yet. As for your toolbox suggestion, are you implying like, guaranteed first aid charge and a tool, or just guaranteed first aid charge if your low on them?

[storm pendant]

I could see an argument for buffing deployable medkits like making them heal 125 and/or deploy a little faster so that toolbox+packmule doesn’t overshadow it as hard, though.

[storm pendant]

That would depend on whether or not you have packmule I think

[solemn vector]

I mean, I would maybe even go for a buff that would make the deployable Medical kit heal all your health and poison effects but at a slightly slower speed, on par with a first aid kit, that way it balances out between healing amount and healing time. If that makes sense. And maybe restore alittle burnt out health?

[storm pendant]

@sharp shell I really like your idea at first glance, but thinking about it, especially in lower star lobbies, I see the potential for the same abuse as peacemaker. Letting the homie burn out while you sit in a bush and leaving with them on your back. Granted it’s not AS bad as peacemaker because you can’t just reup your bars and get back in the game, but might lead to some frustrating passive play.

[storm pendant]

It’d be interesting to see deployable medkit override poison but poison already has a hard and soft counter

No burnt health restore. Burning bars is an important mechanic to incentivize fighting bounty over camping

Other teams in a fight also wouldn’t be able to know you did it or counterplay until after they hit you and it’s already too late

[solemn vector]

This is true. I was just thinking it's a whole medical kit with much more supplies in it and therefore could restore more health and help with some negative effects like poison. And I'm not talking like restoring a fully burnt out bar, but rather a partially burnt bar, or perhaps speed up the restoration of partially burnt bars, but I suppose that could even be alittle overpowered.

[storm pendant]

I’m not opposed to it resetting partial burn.

[solemn vector]

Good deal 🙂 I mean, medical kits, in real life atleast, generally are stocked with alot of supplies for various injuries, like things to treat stings and mild burns, and from a "game logical" standpoint, it's not unreasonable I don't think, to have a large well stocked medical kit that restores more health and helps negative effects that a simple bandage couldn't heal.

[queen zinc]

I am very concerned about sprinting and healing

That can be very broken- looking at Warzone

[waxen merlin]

Copy that.
I've added those to the list of possible downsides.

I appreciate the feedback as I'm unsure myself on how to balance it without making it over powered or obsolete.

[storm pendant]

Yep yep

@unborn sandal Your suggestion might get more traction with more neutral language. Totally get where you’re coming from but it does come off as a little aggressive

[sharp shell]

Passive play it's a big issue. I think it deserves it's own solution and I totally agree with you.

[unborn sandal]

I don’t care whether people like it or not. It’s the truth

[storm pendant]

Oke doke

@paper belfry As a dragonsbreath lover absolutely bloody not. Did you know terminus levering can burn an entire bar off in one shot? It might even be able to get two, though tbh I’m not sure if he just fired twice and I missed it.

Regardless, it’s already really frustrating on the terminus, multiple bars gone before they’ve even done 100 true damage to you at decent range. Crown definitely doesn’t need more ammo types and I’d rather not see more dragonsbreath, there’s already plenty.

Also upvoting your own suggestion is kinda poor form

Remember that custom ammos are a big part of a weapon’s identity. At least, they were

[storm pendant]

Look man I get that but the devs aren’t likely to take feedback that’s implying that they’re stupid or never think anything through, even if it’s true that they have lapses in judgement

Ultimately, suggestions are kind of like a sales pitch. If you insult your customers, they’re not gonna want to listen to you

[unborn sandal]

I’m not gonna grovel for upvotes. If people agree, cool. If people don’t, I really don’t care. I’m sick of seeing this in the pact traits so I made a post. The devs really don’t care either way so it’s an exercise in futility

[storm pendant]

I’m not saying grovel for upvotes man, I’m saying don’t insult the people you’re trying to appeal to

Even if that’s how you feel they won’t listen if you insult them. The CMs regularly come in to scoop suggestions they like and are doing well, they probably won’t take it if you’re implying the devs are idiots.

Constructive language is always your best chance at getting results

[unborn sandal]

And if people are too fragile to handle seeing a post that isn’t sugarcoated then so be it

And they don’t know how to make it reasonable

[tribal wyvern]

Making deployable stuff even more useless. Who doesn't wanna add tools/Medkits for my enemies....

Stuff found in the world, eehh i guess, but deployable should not be limitless.

[storm pendant]

Honestly I just think they should change charges based on team size. Duos gives two trios gives 3. I really don’t like the idea of having to hide this stuff so enemies don’t stumble across it in a fight.

[paper belfry]

Ty!

[waxen merlin]

I also added a downside for less bullet speed and more bullet drop whenever bullet drop is implemented, based on what I read when it comes to silver density .

Not sure if it's true though, I need to watch a video demonstration later to confirm it

[storm pendant]

Hmm. Sounds good enough to me if it’s dedicated PvE ammo. I do like the idea, but feel it wouldn’t be picked much if it offered nothing against hunters.

Maybe it could disable token carrier’s darksight boost for a short time or something related to hunter’s supernatural abilities.

[waxen merlin]

Damn that's actually a pretty creative pvp effect.
Could even be a counter for someone trying to pull off a quick necromancer on a teammate or scouting with beetle due to their dark vision usage.

[storm pendant]

Yeah that'd be interesting.

Still extremely situational but if it's dedicated PvE ammo it doesn't need to be too crazy

[lean estuary]

Silver coin shot or slugs would be an interesting shotgun ammo for sure (if it’s the only variety of Silver ammo you don’t even need to address the inertia/drop/range of a silver rifle bullet, since the shotgun ammo can only travel 6 feet haha)

Maybe a silver pellet shotshell would act more like flechettes though, longer range at low damage

It is tough to figure out a suitable use, given the current monster roster

[oak meadow]

Can we PLEASE get a RESPONSE from a DEVELOPER on whether we can expect; a fps cap when game window is out of focus AND when at lobby?

Viewing Discord while game is running at 130+ fps, when my hunter is downed, is unnecessary

[storm pendant]

Problem is pennyshot exists which IS the dedicated PvE ammo for shotguns. It would be identical functionally speaking. Silver bullets seem like the rifle equivalent, not a replacement for pennyshoy

[lean estuary]

I didn’t know pennyshot is considered the PVE shot ammo, how much more powerful is it? Slugs still seem like a good option

[storm pendant]

Pennyshot is insanely powerful against boss targets. 2 romero shots to enrage pretty much all, 6-7 shots to kill.

I don’t like the idea of shotguns having two boss ammos, it’s just plain unnecessary honestly, and we definitely do not need more slugs. They’re already fairly ocertuned as is. How would you balance them against regular slugs?

[median zephyr]

i see your point, but lots has changed, we now have necro self res, which will make it so you getting headshot isnt GAURENTEED death, i get we dont have enough people to split up the playerbase, but 1. itd be an opt in thing, so if you hate it you just dont, and 2 there has been changes since it was in the game. i think theres a shot some people could like it

[lean estuary]

Since silver ones wouldn’t have the same inertia as a lead slug, (and we’re talking in a game-balancing-brained context) probably reduced damage to players and higher damage falloff

[median zephyr]

for instance we head infinate headhsot range too, but it just became fast weapon spam like the bornheim, so they removed it, now theyre adding it back in WITH bullet drop, so like before a previously bad thing, is getting some changes before it is readded, so it might be good now!

#game-ideas message the IDEA of this is interesting, but it needs more of a downside, im not gonna say itll overtake fmj or anything, but youre almost making fmj lite, where its not really any downsides, but not as much upside as fmj, so you just take it

#game-ideas message this is just base game peacekeeper (except you have to extract) burning is in this game for a reason, you either fight to put them out, get the bounty to get them back, or they die, i absolutely never want to see this idea

[lean estuary]

He didn’t mention it, but I think it would also have very poor or zero penetration

[waxen merlin]

I'll add that to the downsides list

[median zephyr]

id def like to hear it from the suggestor, but this could be a fair downide, the only thing i worry about is, as always, why would poision ammo exist? it does pve worse, it CAN be useful in pvp but is considered one of if not the worst, besides like explosive, and this just kinda overshadows it

#game-ideas message i agree the spear is too strong, but there is 0 reason to nerf all the bayonettes, the knives, the throwing axes or throwing knives, theyre all fine as it is, its the spear thats the issue

[lean estuary]

Poison ammo is so weird as the little glass capsule on the end of a bullet, maybe they should only have poison fletchette shotshells, xbow darts, arrows, etc, anyway

Or a weird big cup slug with poison resin in it (like the arrows…) idfk

[median zephyr]

i dont think poison is so problomatic it needs to be removed, at worst its currently just bad, but itd be cool to make it even an ok option

[storm pendant]

Right, but why? Why does shotgun need 2 bossing ammos?

[storm pendant]

It’s not bad it’s just obnoxious to fight against and is easily countered, and now one of its biggest advantages no longer exists

[median zephyr]

it is pretty bad, the fact that it can be countered, means youre using special ammo, that has no pen, and no benefit in pvp, even if its not countered 100% of the time that makes it easily the worst of your options in rifles and pistols

[lean estuary]

I didn’t think it needs to be removed, it’s just weird as a handgun/rifle bullet….the art shows it as a little glass capsule on a bullet…that thing would pulverize right outside the muzzle haha. I’m just saying it might be neat to have it be exclusive to weapons where it follows at least a little logic

[median zephyr]

obv its usable, it does damage all the same, but losing pen is a HUGE downside for possibly no upside

[storm pendant]

Tbh I think antidote shots should get the boot but unfortunately they’ve already sold skins for it so their hands are tied

[median zephyr]

sure maybe its not the most realistic, but hunt never really has been, were running around using magic to see clues, rip our partners souls from the land of the dead, and fighting an assasian made of bugs

[lean estuary]

Who cares?

[median zephyr]

i agree 100% i wish it was never added

traits and consumables that stop peoples weapons from working are bad, traits should buff you not hinder others (although not buff you too much like double dmg bullets)

[storm pendant]

That is quite possibly the worst reasoning you could have possibly given me for why it should be a slug instead of a bullet

[lean estuary]

Not this argument! Hahaha

[storm pendant]

That’s how I feel when people say “but it’s realistic” as an argument. Gameplay>Realism always.

[lean estuary]

I was just answering your “why do shotguns need two boss ammos” question

[storm pendant]

And that’s an unsatisfactory answer

[lean estuary]

This is wrong! This depends on the TONE of the game

[median zephyr]

nah, id always prefer gameplay

if game is not fun, why would i play

[lean estuary]

Personal preference?

[storm pendant]

Okay, in that case why don’t we make all bullets kill hunters, since realistically they’d die of infections. Also, no revives. Oh and forget infinite sprinting.

[storm pendant]

No my guy you’re just wrong

[median zephyr]

it is personal preference, but why are we trying to change things, that make the game worse for the sake of realism?

obv this is bad

[lean estuary]

You sound familiar my guy…

[lean estuary]

You don’t have to go that far! This is incredible thing about tone and style….it’s a subtle scale!

[storm pendant]

Oh and how about we remove Darksight. Real people can’t do that. And traits! Oh and while we’re at it, zombies are unrealistic too. Let’s remove the bosses and monsters.

[lean estuary]

It’s unfortunate that many players are tone deaf

[storm pendant]

Hunt is about grounded fantasy. It is not a simulator, this isn’t ARMA. Realism plays absolutely no part in actual balancing and gameplay decisions

[median zephyr]

i think hunts tone and style are perfectly fine, i dont want them to spend time and effort on something so small

[lean estuary]

Hahah

[median zephyr]

like for instance you cant fan the scottfield irl, so it shouldnt be able to realistically

[waxen merlin]

[median zephyr]

but for gameplay, its a good thing

[lean estuary]

Taking it too far again to force a point

[storm pendant]

But I’m really not. I’m just meeting you at your level

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message as a db enjoyer, no more, esp not for the crown, db is frustrating to fight where even if you win you still lose, and giving anything to the crown is a mistake

[median zephyr]

theyre not saying make the whole game realistic, just one particular thing. you are going to far

[lean estuary]

No you’re exaggerating what I said hahaha jfc

[median zephyr]

i dont even agree with them, but i disagree with their reasoning, not an extrapolation of the logical extreme

[storm pendant]

My point is that realism is a bad reason to change something, if you miss the point that’s on you

[median zephyr]

no youre going to a logical extreme like i said

if you miss that point thats on you

[lean estuary]

This is an exaggeration, all i said was that the little poison capsule seems weird. That’s it!

[storm pendant]

Could we not say the same about changing poison ammo for realism’s sake? I think it’s a genuinely ridiculous argument

[median zephyr]

yes i agree this is bad this is what ive been saying

i agree with you, just not the way youre going about proving it

[storm pendant]

And yet now you’re his hype man when I’m saying the same thing

[lean estuary]

I didn’t even say “get rid of poison ammo” hahaha

[median zephyr]

if you think im his "hype man" for reasoning with you and saying why the logic is bad, then yorue beyond help

this isnt a club, im not on any of yours team

this is a discussion of why things are wrong, were here to hold each other accountable and to try to logically explain things

this change is bad bc 1 its unimportant, and 2 the little poison capsule perfectly fits hunt, we dont need everything to be realistic

[lean estuary]

We don’t even have to hold eachother accountable, this is a discord for a piece of entertainment media

[storm pendant]

Realism is always a bad argument, full stop

Hunt is not a simulator.

[lean estuary]

I don’t know why you’re that absolute about it

[lean estuary]

True!

[storm pendant]

Because it’s true. Hunt isn’t a simulator game and it was never trying to be

[lean estuary]

You’re being reeeeeeally slippery

[storm pendant]

And that means?

I think I’m being pretty firm, my stance hasn’t changed.

[median zephyr]

i dont think its always a bad argument, if lets say a gun could not eject another round irl, by reloading when they cycle a bolt, and that gets added to the game thats cool

[storm pendant]

But obtusely criticizing fantasy elements for being fantasy is not.

[lean estuary]

Is any entertainment media ever Simulation OR full fantasy? There are countless degrees…

[median zephyr]

however ONLY realying on realism is bad, gameplay comes first

[median zephyr]

yea for sure

[median zephyr]

no we dont, but id like to think were all here to discuss, or else why would we be here

[lean estuary]

Yes

[lean estuary]

I will say again it does not “perfectly fit Hunt”, haha. It’s a little silly, a little unbelievable. We don’t have hard rules for how poison works in the states it has in game (vapor, solid resin, liquid?) but most of us know how glass and explosions behave

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message it should not cost money, but all items being in there would be a start

[median zephyr]

it 100% does, hunt has a lot of "fantasy weapons that seem like they COULDVE existed"

like the bomblance, the shotbolt etc

[storm pendant]

You know that glass bullets DO exist, right? They’re called shatters. They’re an alternative to HP, and they absolutely can survive leaving the barrel

[median zephyr]

it fits PERFECTLY, you may not like it, but thats a seperate thing

the shotbolt would not have a directed pellet spread like it does in game irl, but its a game, its believable that it would work that way, and its grounded in semi realism

[unborn dagger]

You do know they're implementing bullet drop that is not at all realistic in the way that it works right?

[lean estuary]

I do!

It’s weird!

[median zephyr]

and gameplay wise im happy its not realistic

[lean estuary]

Are they hollow?

[median zephyr]

as i am with most other things

[storm pendant]

They can be

[median zephyr]

hunt is semi realistic, always has been

[unborn dagger]

Because they're prioritizing balance and fun over realism.

[median zephyr]

it gives them more freedom for gameplay, which i like, i dont want a fully realistic game, thats boring or less balanced

[lean estuary]

Oh yeah I understand the reasoning

[waxen merlin]

Antidotes honestly last a long ass time.
To make poison better, they should nerf how long they last.
Poison damage should stay the same but the blurriness, should last a little longer after it stops damaging you before gradually clearing

[storm pendant]

Honestly dude? They should remove them and refund people for skins

[lean estuary]

You guys are like the Ultimate Universal Game Masters, you can immediately re-simulate a different game configuration in your mind and immediately judge if it is absolutely balanced or not haha

[median zephyr]

i dont think this fixes the issue, someone being able to counter youre bullet by bringing smth, or even just finding them/ having magpie is dumb

[wanton imp]

agreed

[median zephyr]

well considering were thinking about realism, taken to the extreme it wouldnt be balanced, hope this helps :)

like i know youre getting a kick out of annoying people, but at least try to hide it

[storm pendant]

Lots of experience and at least in my case, I am actually a game designer and I specialize in balance. Bot everything translates from theory to practice but in general if something seems bonkers it is probably bonkers

[wanton imp]

Should make antidote shot weaker against poison generated by player methods. meaning antidote always blocks hive poison whilst not 100% removing poison from poison ammo

[median zephyr]

people disagree with your idea, and your reasoning, simple as

[unborn dagger]

I mean the main problem with poison is antidote because it cancels out an entire build. They should remove antidote which will make something like mithradist more appealing

[median zephyr]

i wouldnt mind hunter ammo being different, hell if they do that, buff up the antidote, idc if it stops all ai poison

[lean estuary]

But are you the Ultimate judge of fun? Do you know precisely how much realism is fun, and for who?

Whats the recipe

[median zephyr]

no, im stating my opinion like everyone, i never said everyone has to share it

[storm pendant]

Also taking realism to the logical extreme earlier I was trying to point out how silly it is to try to extrapolate realism from obvious fantasy

[wanton imp]

or just removing poison ammo entirely and adding in a "vemon ammo type" which does the same thing but having minor differences.

[median zephyr]

if this game being more realistic makes you happy awesome! i still dont want it

[lean estuary]

I swear I am not trying to annoy anyone, I just criticized the poison bullet art hahaha

[median zephyr]

i get this, but before they were just saying the one poison ammo thing, but now its moving to "how do you know realism is bad" so im explaining why

[median zephyr]

at the start, but youve moved past it now

[median zephyr]

YES this would be perfect

[lean estuary]

Taking it to an extreme turns it i to a “straw man” argument, i wasn’t arguing for extremes!

[median zephyr]

idc if antidote is strong against all ai poison, i dont want it to harm player bullets, thats all

[lean estuary]

What?

[wanton imp]

also venom makes more sense because poison requires it to be swallowed to have a effect. venom just works if you get bit.

[median zephyr]

you were just saying how we couldnt possibly know realism wouldnt be balanced

[waxen merlin]

You still take damage from hives without the poison effect

[median zephyr]

^

[median zephyr]

i know!

im just saying idc about this, buffing yourself vs ai is fine, poison ammo should just be more consistant, if it turns out its busted when theres no antidotes, it should be nerfed

[lean estuary]

??

[waxen merlin]

Maybe if antidote was like the first aid kit.
You get 3 squeezes then you're out completely

[median zephyr]

#feedback-discussion message this was when we were talking about realism (shotbolt, weapons and etc)

[waxen merlin]

And it goes away on a poison

[median zephyr]

i dont entirely know what you mean, are you suggesting a kind of "this stops poison once" or a "inject after getting hit to clear"

[waxen merlin]

Inject after getting hit

[storm pendant]

As in antidote instantly dispels poison instead of being immunity

[median zephyr]

i see what youre saying, but i dont think this fixes it, it helps for sure, but id rather the "venom bullets who dont get affected by antidote" and then we can buff antidote to help vs ai

bc the issue is a whole type of ammo gets fully countered, which is dumb

"bringing logic and disagreeing with an explination = 14yos"

[lean estuary]

Jfc

[waxen merlin]

Lol this logic

[lean estuary]

For the balancing-minded, I’m also thinking that (hypothetically) if you kept poison exclusive to shotguns and xbows only would make Grunts and Immos feel a little more dangerous again, since you don’t get a huge pool of poison bullets with those weapons, like you do with handguns and rifles

Or the range, for that matter

And poison arrows too i guess, the reusable poison ammo is kinda fun. Those poison throwing knives sound interesting

[median zephyr]

i think rn the poison bullets real only benefit is this (minus immos now bc they nerfed it) so its already nerfing one of the weakest ammo types

[waxen merlin]

I think it would be cool if all poison ammo left a cloud behind like the hand crossbow effect.

Also, I wouldn't ever want antidote to be taken out completely, because I actually have a poison bug build.
The strategy is to antidote myself and shoot poison clouds throughout a buildings dark corners to try and get an enemy out of hiding.

[lean estuary]

I don’t know, getting slammed with Sparks poison sucks a lot

It has some PVP benefit

[unborn dagger]

Yeah but burn does it better tbh.

[lean estuary]

You don’t get that audio visual interference though…

[blissful jackal]

no heals for 15 seconds is insane pressure

[lean estuary]

Burn? How long does poison last?

[blissful jackal]

no i mean poision

[lean estuary]

Oh oh

[blissful jackal]

burn will just last until you extinguish which takes however long to use a medkit

[lean estuary]

Right

[unborn dagger]

Yes, but with everyone bringing antidote is just not worth it imo

[lean estuary]

It’s a gamble for sure

[blissful jackal]

i dont bring antidote

[lean estuary]

You heard it, folks

[blissful jackal]

idk how many people do, but id recon on average it will yeild more pressur over time

[unborn dagger]

I always do just because of death traps alone

[lean estuary]

I always do, i hate it when i slip up taking out a hive and get a face-full of wasps

[unborn dagger]

Incredibly annoying lol

[lean estuary]

Stupid mistakes will kill you, gotta love that realistic aspect of Hunt!

[unborn dagger]

Makes it worse when your melee doesnt land because the wasps are somehow blocking the hive's face

[lean estuary]

Haha

[storm pendant]

I have become Redshirt, destroyer sweats

[lean estuary]

Did you lose a bet?

[storm pendant]

No I just wanted to have a PFP and the thousand yard stare redshirt was funny

Redshirt is best legendary

[lean estuary]

Haha i’m just kidding (the redshirt character lost a bet, I thought)

[median zephyr]

for sure, but if its strong sometimes, but completely countered others, this is bad design, if its too strong with no antidote, then it should be nerfed

[storm pendant]

No no he took a bet

[lean estuary]

Right, that’s it

[median zephyr]

for sure, idm poison cloud staying the same, im mainly talking bullets

[storm pendant]

If he could bring home a bounty with a literal target on his back he would get a parcel of fertile land

[median zephyr]

this is untrue, you stay charred, so you are a one tap for a long time too

[unborn dagger]

^

[lean estuary]

I don’t know about nerfed, but I do think antidote shouldn’t negate it completely…maybe you could still heal but you have 75% of the visual aura, whatever

[median zephyr]

i just think its bad design to be able to counter other peoples guns, like if there was a trait to make it so fmj doesnt keep its dmg dropoff for you

its only against fmj, and it still does dmg, so in theory this would be ok

but this leads to ammo types being inconsistant, and this example frankly would be less strong, bc it still pens, and fmj is stronger

[blissful jackal]

if you are under 40m or whatever

[median zephyr]

any distance you get char, just depends on how much

[lean estuary]

I see what you’re saying, that’s why i’m saying antidote could soften the poison effect, but doesnt ignore it

[blissful jackal]

yes but im saying the followup shots arent always another guarenteed 1shot from the char

[median zephyr]

i see what youre saying too, i just dont think this goes far enough

[blissful jackal]

it typically does need to make the cahrred player play way safer which is pressure

but posioned player at 1hp basically cant peek

[median zephyr]

id genuiinely rather buff antidote against ai, or duration or whatever, but make it so it messes with the bullets significantly less

[median zephyr]

it doesnt need to be gaurenteed, the poison ammo isnt always in the chest, or in range, or against an antidote either

[lean estuary]

I like it the way it is, you never know if they have it or don’t, it’s a gamble…AND antidote wears off

[median zephyr]

its that the char cant be countered only lessened, and does what poison does but better

[median zephyr]

thats fair. but i absolutely do not, bullets should be consistant, like almost all of them are

[lean estuary]

Drew a bad card, huh?

[median zephyr]

char, outside of range, from a sparks, takes 27 seconds to go away, that is worst case scenario, so you beome a body shot for 27 seconds, compared to the possible 18 from poison

now sure, the poison makes it so other guns one tap to anywhere (from a good sparks shot) but can be completely negated where fire cannot, and this isnt even counting being in ignite range, and getting caught on fire

[median zephyr]

wym?

[lean estuary]

Well look on the bright side, your target still took some straight damage, even if they didn’t get poisoned

[median zephyr]

its true, its not that antidote players are unkillable, its just that no other ammos get this downside

and its upside isnt that amazing on most weapons

[lean estuary]

You can get creative to finish them off, it’s not MTG, you’re not locked into a slap fight with numbers

[lean estuary]

Call me crazy but I wish you could split your ammo pools on any gun

Let me take 10 poison and 20 regular rounds, whatever

[median zephyr]

It's not about them being unkillable, it's that I took poison ammo to use it, and it's the only fully countered one

And I think thatd be cool, but I believe it's a technical limitation

[unborn dagger]

Certainly not a technical limitation, it is just for balance reasons. That would make the one shot weapons really pointless and make split ammo types such as the Berthier even more useless. This is why they have custom ammo boxes in the map.

[storm pendant]

Nah it's not, the bomb lance was easily split into 2 ammo slots from 1. Berthier also has 2 ammo slots

It's a deliberate decision to give specific weapons identity, namely single shots and the berthi

[median zephyr]

They specifically said it was technical, because then itd have to keep track of the different bullets you reload, like if I say, did 2 poison 4 fmj

The single shots don't have this problem, bc theres only ever 1 bullet, and it gives them something unique (this is also why the berthier has to fully unload the clip)

[storm pendant]

Gonna need a source on that

Also, the berthier doesn't have this problem, it's not a single shot

You can't load 2 ammo types in the same clip of the berthier, you toggle between them

@median zephyr

[unborn sandal]

Well the berthier only reloads by a clip

You can’t load single bullets like the mosin can

If you reload you eject everything and put in a new clip

[storm pendant]

I'm still reasonably sure that it's not a technical limitation and it's intentional

The berthier having 2 ammo types seems like a very deliberate balancing measure, and phazing still hasn't shown me where they said it was a technical limitation

[lean estuary]

It could be technical, it is absolutely also for balancing reasons, and it’s also definitely an awkward game design limitation poking through the immersion - I can’t keep a handful of poison rounds in a pocket to pop into my chamber if I see an immolator? Why not??

[storm pendant]

I don't know how that could possibly impact your immersion

It's the same reason you can only keep a few loaded clips of 7.62x54R, sure in real life you'd carry more, but you have to be able to suspend your disbelief at least a ittle

[storm pendant]

Also, poison no longer does extra damage to immolators, might even do less but I haven't tested it

[thin remnant]

It sucks 😔

[unborn dagger]

Once again balancing prioritizes realism

[thin remnant]

Wtf this phone

I didn't type that emoji what

[storm pendant]

Yeah I don't know why they made it so instead of just... making the new wild target immune to poison

[unborn dagger]

That certainly would have been better

[storm pendant]

The only thing I can think of was there was a bug they couldn't patch so they just went "oh shit nerf poison quick"

[lean estuary]

Oh, you could do both

[unborn dagger]

No you can't

[storm pendant]

I mean, not in this instance. If they want to use separate ammo types as a balancing tool, then applying it to any gun because it's "realistic" directly contradicts that goal

[thin remnant]

Can too!

[storm pendant]

Heavy I'm starting to feel like you're trolling ngl

[unborn dagger]

Seriously

Imagine if this game was actually realistic, we wouldn't need dum dum ammo because bullets in real life can make you bleed when shot

[thin remnant]

I mean dumdum would be much more severe

[lean estuary]

No, I think you guys just like excusing any design choice, and for some reason always go to the extremes ends of any spectrum?

[storm pendant]

Dumdum is just modern day crowned hollow point

But yea

[unborn dagger]

Okay troll whatever you say

[storm pendant]

I care much more about the grounded fantasy elements staying than ultra hardcore adherence to realism. If you want realism, go play Tarkov.

Or ARMA, or Squad

Even those games have gameplay concessions

IRL you can't eat a magazine of 5.56 just because you have heavy plate on, your organs would rupture and you'd keel over on the spot

[lean estuary]

Haha I am not trolling, I promise

[unborn dagger]

Sure

[storm pendant]

If you were you wouldn't tell us

[lean estuary]

Uh

[storm pendant]

Also, most of the elements that you've pointed out thus far really aren't all that unbelievable, like glass bullets. For 1895 sure but also they didn't have any of this shit in 1895 so it's kind of a moot point

It's alt-history, with fantasy elements and I can suspend my disbelief to say they've figured out hardened glass by this point

[lean estuary]

I mean a hollow glass bullet?

[storm pendant]

Yes.

There are glass capsule bullets with snakeshot in them, in fact

They shatter on impact and the shotballs hit the target

[lean estuary]

How many alt accounts do you guys have jfc

[median zephyr]

im aware, this is ok bc you cant load seperate ammos into it at once

[storm pendant]

You accused me of that earlier too.

[lean estuary]

I think the capsule explodes there, and launches the pellets, like a sabot, it doesnt deliver the pellets to the target

[median zephyr]

it was sometime around when single shots got 2 ammos, im 100% sure of it but am not searching hours of streams to find it

[lean estuary]

Oh sorry Tosh i didn’t see you changed your name, my bad

[storm pendant]

There's both, one is just a hollow casing that shoots the shot straight out, the other shatters on impact and the shotballs hit the target

[storm pendant]

No offense but... source: trust me bro isn't gonna convince me

[lean estuary]

What sorta range are we talking??

[median zephyr]

i dont care if you believe me, i said what it was, so you can take the rest up with crytek

[storm pendant]

Like 20-30m before it starts to become inaccurate

[median zephyr]

im here to inform not convince

[storm pendant]

Even if that were the case they've definitely reconsidered their approach, because it's clear they can implement 2 ammo types at a time, they only give it to specific weapons. I don't think they'd ever allow you to alternate load and would make you eject your rounds beforehand regardless of whether or not they could

[median zephyr]

yes of course they can impliment two, my entire point was you cannot load multiple different rounds at the same time, youd have to unload the whole gun, because its a technical limitation

you cant have a berthier with spitzer, then normal, then spitzer, this isnt coded to keep track of rounds like this

[lean estuary]

You have a link? ( is this a troll?)

[storm pendant]

Hold on I didn't see anyone else asking about that, heavy knife was just saying he wanted to have two kinds of ammo available for everything

[median zephyr]

its what i said in my first post

#feedback-discussion message

[unborn dagger]

You sure are just trying to get a rise out of people, huh?

[storm pendant]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frangible_bullethttps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-n4bxxn9gA&t=2s

Glass bullets, and shatter slugs. Big ol glss slug that shatters and delivers the payload straight into its target

[median zephyr]

the game isnt coded to keep track of SPECIFIC bullets, it just goes "this shoots this round, there is 5 in the gun"

as cool as it would be to be able to pick the AMOUNT of each ammo you bring in, the gun would always have to be empty before you switch, unless they refactored the whole thing

[storm pendant]

I see what you mean now

could you imagine having to unload the lebel

Oh apparently a synonym for clumsy and tiresome is blocked

[median zephyr]

sorry if i explained it poorly, happens sometimes

[storm pendant]

clumbersome

Ahh okay it's because it thinks i'm saying a naughty work

[median zephyr]

and yea thatd be... a time

plus you already know the only way this would be used is to have spitzer and normal ammo, so you can have the best of both worlds

so if you want that, guess youre gonna have to learn to snipe with the berthier

[storm pendant]

Yeah, I think it's moved past technical limitation onto being a balance decision

Imagine alternate loading slugs and buck

At far range hit with slug, finish with buck, shoot slug again

Slug is already busted

[median zephyr]

the technical limitation is having multiple different kinds of rounds in a gun

[storm pendant]

I know, I'm saying I think they've moved past that and have gone with using it as a balancing mechanic

[median zephyr]

the giving them one ammo choice, is partically a balancing factor, but also bc they dont have the systems in place to empty all guns

[lean estuary]

Yeah there you go! I was talking about poison slug ammo for shotguns..where’s the snakeshot that explodes on impact?

[unborn dagger]

Imagine having two ammo types for a chained pistol lol

[median zephyr]

i think it always was a balancing mechanic, but for instance i wouldnt mind if the berthier could have multiple types of rounds loaded

thatd be kinda sick

[storm pendant]

It's on the same channel, the glass slug is essentially the same concept but bigger. Just a big glass payload that shatters and those little prongs and shit on the inside shred the target's insides along with broken glass

[storm pendant]

Please god no

[median zephyr]

emptying the chain pistol so you can perfectly craft your lineup

single bleed first, fmj the rest

[lean estuary]

It’s ALL (solid)glass though, correct?

[storm pendant]

No

You can see the stuff on the inside there

Taoflatermaus has a ton of crazy custom ammo, check out their lineup if you want to see the kind of wild shit that's possible

[lean estuary]

Ohh yeah, its got nails and shit. I wonder if a hollow glass .44 filled with poison gas would survive the blast

[storm pendant]

I can suspend my disbelief and say that because of its alternate history they figured out hardened glass before we did

I mean, there are several guns in Hunt that weren't around for years after the game takes place, like the mosin avto's take on the pederson device

They deal with supernatural shit all the time, it wouldn't shock me that they accelerated firearms development

[lean estuary]

You don’t have to go all that long way, I was only ever saying the art could be modified, or the ammo availability changed

I bet it could be something else instead of glass

Definitely would work better in the shotgun world

[queen zinc]

Slugs are honestly not op- its only “busted” in high rof shotguns

Nobody complains about Spectre or Terminus slug, or Romero Slug

Its the caldwell, for rapid 2-taps AND 1-tap ability

Its the C and K

And to a lesser degree, the slate

[median zephyr]

slugs are one of the strongest things in the game, but op isnt something id use to describe most weapons

at most theyre typically unfun, even strong stuff, like the uppercut, isnt particularly unfun to fight, so its not as bad as some other things

[storm pendant]

I really don't mind the uppercut, I just hate getting out of shotgun range and still being punished by getting 1 tapped because of something I couldn't have possib;y known they had equipped until it was too late

or like, getting slugged through 2 wood walls where buckshot would have gotten caught on thick wood or the second beam at the very least before I was even aware they had it

It just doesn't feel nice and it's hard to extrapolate a lesson because like.. I saw they had a shotgun, took proper cover/distancing, and still got punished anyway

What am I supposed to learn from this?

[median zephyr]

the uppercut is either first or second best pistol, but my point was it conventionally fires, so its less annoying then say the dolch, but enxt update its getting nerfed FINALLY so im partying

[median zephyr]

youre supposed to learn to be even farther away, you think im joking, but thats the only lesson

[storm pendant]

That just feels like shit to me

It's not "OP" but it doesn't feel good.

[median zephyr]

if youre over 25m it cant one tap you, you literally have to play farther, hope theyre bad, or smth equally strong

yes, this is the issue with lots of things sadly

like for instance dragons breath, not op at all, its not even the best ammo for shotguns

[storm pendant]

I can reasonably see a corssbow and go "Oh I need to scooch back" but I see the shotgun, scooch out of shotgun range, get 1 tapped anyway. It just feels cheap

[median zephyr]

but you killing someone, and losing a bar, just feels bad

[median zephyr]

its just an even farther shotgun, just sadly gotta assume people have it, and the devs like it so its not getting changed anytime soon

[thin remnant]

real problem is the cnk tbh

let's take a look at another semi-auto gun..
The cyclone?
The cyclone has strong downsides in losing its 125 damage and only holding 4 rounds at once.

[storm pendant]

I do hope that we get some form of bar restoration mid match again like the shops we had in the last event. The only problem with the shops was their combo with peacekeeper and ratty solos, but the next update will have neither of those as a factor

[thin remnant]

The crown? It has more firepower than half of the non-semi shotguns

[storm pendant]

The cyclone loses dmg?

Are you sure?

[thin remnant]

yep

124

[storm pendant]

That's news to me

[thin remnant]

im glad it does xd

[median zephyr]

yes it does

[thin remnant]

but the crown doesnt thats the point

[storm pendant]

I think C&K slugs got nerfed, the other day I hit someone 15m 144 to upper chest

[median zephyr]

in exchange it fires very fast

[thin remnant]

the crown has some of the best damage in shotguns [ESPECIALLY WITH SLUGS IT IS THE BEST]

[median zephyr]

slugs never make you lose fire rate, and the devs like that

[thin remnant]

and has a ton of ammo

AND semi-auto

[median zephyr]

it is just the best slug shotgun

[thin remnant]

i'm talking cnk in general

not just slugs

[storm pendant]

CNK is best shotgun in general yea, but it's supposed to be

[thin remnant]

the cnk is poorly balanced

[median zephyr]

i didnt like the shop, but i want a way to get bars, not midfight, but after one

[median zephyr]

c&k is not the best shotgun without slugs

with slugs it is, it makes a big difference

[storm pendant]

I don't mind it, technically speaking terminus levering has an advantage on it, similar OHK range without slugs and more max shots loaded

[thin remnant]

slugs are the main problem, yes.

but it is still absurd without slugs

[storm pendant]

I loved the shop tbh, it'd be cool to see like a moving shop so that it couldn't be camped, say a horse carriage that stops when you get close

[median zephyr]

nah, the levering is trait reliant, and locks you into an animation, its worse

[median zephyr]

its guninely not great without slugs, its buckshot is bad, a spectre or slate with buckshot is better

its that it FEELS cheap

bc its spammy

[storm pendant]

I one hit killed 2 people at 11 meters yesterday, specter is better slate objectively has worse buck spread

[thin remnant]

I disagree, I think the buckshot feels weak because the slugs are just that busted.

[median zephyr]

part of the issue was its campability, but this wouldnt fix it, people would just follow, but it was also way too easy to restore bars, you can farm the map and get a restore without killing 1 person

[thin remnant]

honestly slug range should vary outside of barrel length.

[storm pendant]

Slate is... not my favorite. I get that it's meta but it feels like a dice roll between whether I'll 1 shot everyone or hit some guy 4 times and not kill him

[thin remnant]

a romero should not have the same slug range as a crown

its ridiculous

[storm pendant]

Right but people couldn't just trap it

[median zephyr]

as a person who has extensively tested the buckshot, no, its significantly worse then the good buckshots

[storm pendant]

And if it were a moving carriage horses could go nuts if several people were near

[thin remnant]

although i still stand by what i said about the cyclone

[median zephyr]

its a 2 tap shotgun, like the rival

[storm pendant]

I mean in theory but you aren't gonna need to restore bars in that case?

[thin remnant]

but with a much better ohk range [right?]

[median zephyr]

itd def help, but now the horses go through a field, so it gets sniped

[thin remnant]

i agree the main problem comes from slugs tho

[storm pendant]

You could say that about literally anything in this game, if it moved people would have to constantly follow it which is a lot harder and leaves them open to being caught out, if the horses went nuts when people were close, it'd stop people from sitting in the treeline nearby undetected. It already had the little totem things to glow red so I don't see how it's an issue

[median zephyr]

no lol, both have the same distance, 10.5m gaurenteed

[thin remnant]

thats pretty decent

not as overpowered as slugs tho

[median zephyr]

no of course you couldnt say this about anything in the game, boss lairs are harder to snipe in bc theyre indoors, making something roam, adds other issues, traps you can see and avoid, sniping it is much harder to counter

that is BAD

one of the worst shotguns, especially 3 slot

[storm pendant]

Which shotgun

[median zephyr]

for ohk range*

crown and king

people for some reason think the crown has good buckshot

its literally the lowest for a 3 slot in a 3 way tie

[storm pendant]

According to stats slate and crown has identical OHK range

[median zephyr]

any hunt vet will tell you you cant believe the store stats of shotguns

same with shotgun crosshairs

[thin remnant]

i think ive made a thought

one of the reasons cnk buckshot is so annoying

aim punch

[median zephyr]

the power of the crown is that it doesnt stop, its a 2 tap shotgun like the rival

[thin remnant]

aim punch should scale with damage

taking 1 damage from a single shotgun pellet should not punch your aim as much as a sparks

this is the same reason terminus levering is so annoying at range

you're stuck in an endless loop of aimpunch

[median zephyr]

aim punch is annoying yes, but in a 1v1, crown and rival are gonna kill you about the same range, the rival will do it faster, but need to reload

annoying isnt strong thouhg

yes i agree crown busckshot is VERY annoying

[thin remnant]

but it gives off the illusion

[storm pendant]

@median zephyr You are objectively incorrect

[median zephyr]

but tis buckshot is bad

[median zephyr]

so youre showing me a crosshair pictire with them being wrong, to prove the crosshairs are right?

[storm pendant]

No, I'm showing you a picture of the actual spread compared side by side

[median zephyr]

did you misread my messge

[storm pendant]

Jesus christ dude

[median zephyr]

yes i said you cant trust crosshairs

#feedback-discussion message

[storm pendant]

You also said Crown's spread was the worst in a 3 way tie which isn't true

[median zephyr]

not spread

ohk range

you compleatly didnt listen to me

and i didnt say that either, i said of the 3 slots

[storm pendant]

Which is all still wrong

[median zephyr]

its tied with the terminus, and rival

how so?

you gonna cite store stats?

[storm pendant]

So what was that about wanting to have good faith discussion earlier? Clearly you don't follow your own rule

[median zephyr]

youre literally telling me im wrong with 0 evidence

[thin remnant]

🍿

[median zephyr]

i have tested this extensively, there are people who have done many shots to tell kill ranges of shotguns

[storm pendant]

You've showed no evidence other than 'trust me bro', I showed you a chart of shotgun spread

[median zephyr]

shotgun spread isnt dmg dropoff

[storm pendant]

I'm not interested in discussing this further with you though

You're being extremely rude

[median zephyr]

and your spread doesnt mean anything

showing a shotgun at 12m, how does that mean it kills?

bc youre being ignorant

i willl link you proof

[storm pendant]

And I'm blocking you, you're consistently rude /:

[median zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_AZyy16z0

ok bye

not gonna harp on it but if anyone genuinely thinks im constantly rude please tell me, obv its hard to judge yourself, but i feel like im as civil as civil gets

[empty oasis]

Those are very old

[storm pendant]

In shooting range rn, able to get crown to consistently 1 tap at 12m

[empty oasis]

These are updated

[storm pendant]

Posting vid soon

[median zephyr]

ah i was just gonna link that

its in the video i shared actually

[empty oasis]

Well, those charts are mine but it was based on Cornf's vid. I did it to include changes from after his vid

[storm pendant]

Its damage is about the same at 12m as slate, they both do 150 most shots and about 130-144 occasionally\

[median zephyr]

like the drilling i assume?

[empty oasis]

Drilling and LeMat

[median zephyr]

yea makes sense, i believe he updated his too, but always nice to get more data

nice work on them, edited nicely!

[storm pendant]

Those charts are pretty consistent with what I'm finding in shooting range, crown and slate are doing about the same damage at the same distances, using davinci resolve to cut it together

Both are having some oddball shots where they're doing way less damage but that's likely user error

[empty oasis]

*Drilling is outdated and incorrect. It's now on par with Romero

From Cornf's vid

[storm pendant]

That does still back up my point that crown and king is objectively not the worst OHK range shotgun then

Shit I don't even need to post the video people have already done all the hard work for me

[empty oasis]

I was never arguing with you. I was just giving you updated spread charts

[storm pendant]

Oh no I know

I'm just patting myself on the back

[empty oasis]