feedback-discussion

[rotund obsidian]

poison traps are in such a horrible spot. they do absolutely fuckall unless paired with the already best trap by a mile. really think conc and poison traps should be reworked

[trail carbon]

I think concertina traps should be reworked by removing them :)

Make a more interesting trap

Give it the concertine trap skins

Viola

[rotund obsidian]

and honestly i think the instakill trap combo isn't really balanced in any way. It's BARELY more visible than a single wire and it goes from a bit of damage and slow (just conc) to just straight up killing you with zero interaction.

and now that the melee attachments are in such a good spot, it's never been easier to just drop a melee tool entirely.

[trail carbon]

Like, on most levels I agree that "you don't owe anyone a playstyle" but like

At the same time

Maybe don't make everyone else's experience worse by throwing concertina everywhere

[median zephyr]

100% you shouldnt be foreced to play in a certain way, but if my idea of fun is MISERABLE for everyone else, maybe my way of play should be adjusted

and the traps definately need to be looked at, back in the day a concertina trap was a death sentence, theyd just peak you as you were stuck, and unless you were holding the angle and one shot them, nearly any gun one shots you to the body, ive always wished poison tripmines take a few seconds to activate, and them make a HUGE cloud for a good duration, making the person either leave the room, or stay stuck on the other side, obv im not sure this is a perfect solution, but the current traps are uninteresting and not as skillful as they should be

[tiny pivot]

can you link this sheet

I have always wondered what FMJ pen was like

[rotund obsidian]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/193PJptYUsa-62oUAv1kO9d4Yj69_kJItfjRSK383vl8/
It's from cornf, he has a video alongside it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfT52RilZtY

[median zephyr]

tons of good resources, he will help you understand mechanics you cant understand much without

[rotund obsidian]

Nitro shredder is outdated though, because that pen has been changed since

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message also completely agree with this, bomblance doesnt need the nerf and honestly should be fully accurate, and traits should be buffing yourself not nerfing others

[rotund obsidian]

I think reducing the inaccuracy heavily would definitely be the play, dunno about FULLY accurate, but it definitely wouldn't be gamebreaking by any means so it wouldnt really matter

but yeah fuck bulwark countering bomblance, its stupid

[median zephyr]

there is nothing a bomblance does that an explosive crossbow, or shotbolt dont do better, besides have a melee, fully accurate would be fine, even if they made it so you have to "ads"

like that projectile is so slow, if someone sticks you at that range, they deserve it, same with explosive crossbow

if this leads to more people running normal ammo, and bomblance in general, this would increase variety, and doesnt do anything another gun doesnt already do, its obv not game breaking it sucks, but i dont see why it should be THIS bad

[rotund obsidian]

The only reason I'm a bit hesitant is because the bomblance doesn't actually ADS so it has zero sway. Would crazy lineups exist for it then? probably. Would that be problematic in any way? almost definitely not. so I guess it's fine? but for consistency it'd probably be good to somehow change the aiming so it can have sway or something, it'd be weird for the bomblance of all things to have zero sway and be pinpoint accurate.

[median zephyr]

i wouldnt mind at all making it ads, literally 0 issue

but the fact you CANT ads makes it go from just bad, to atrocious

itd still be bad if you could ads, but at least itd be your skill aiming it and not the huge amount of rng

[rotund obsidian]

yeah that'd be the ideal case, but just cutting the random spread down to like, an almost negligible amount, would probably be a good enough bandaid.

[median zephyr]

like you can even look at the bow, that one shots crazy distance, and is much faster, and can hipfire like a champ, and can ads, they just want the bomblance to be bad

[rotund obsidian]

but like i said it really wouldnt matter if it was pinpoint accurate on hipfire anyway so whatever

[median zephyr]

sure, its not like highest priority, but i personally would prefer full accuracy, even if you need to ads, but i think even hipfiring would be ok

yea for sure

[chilly nova]

For real. This video is pretty much cementing my decision to not come back.

I'm watching the part where he says they've seen in tests a strat where people just go to the center and "fortify" it and see whether others are coming from.

It feels like they've seen my feedback on here and just designed the entire thing for me to dislike it.

They talk about making loadouts more specific to their style, fortifying, traps etc... They act like they set out to reduce stalemates. But I think it's just gonna be less quality gunfights, and more camping or running away.

[quaint cloak]

Yep, agree here

what exactly did he mean when he said "fortifying"? I missed something

[chilly nova]

Trapping, camping, and waiting

[rotund obsidian]

traps, mainly.

[quaint cloak]

...huh.....and they think that mostly happens at the center?

[chilly nova]

With the new map, they say they've seen that essentially because that's where the mines are

[quaint cloak]

oh ok, specific to the Gulch

[chilly nova]

I hope I'm wrong on all this, but it really sounds like the game director is highlighting all the things I dislike as positives.

I don't know that I'll be back to find out, but I do hope people enjoy it.

[quaint cloak]

I'm not sure, a lot of the talk sounded like buzzword salad, and focusing on problems that don't necessarily exist, as if they're big things that need to be solved

that may have been an in progress view of the map too, those mine tunnels look pretty empty....not many minecarts, rails, slag piles, boxes....

[thin remnant]

bro why does everyone keep liking their own posts stop its so annoying

[median zephyr]

i think you misunderstood what he was saying, he also talked about compounds being much harder to turtle up in, and the goal of 6ish "meaningful entrances" this philosophy means they want attackers to be able to enter, he was saying theres so many ways in, that if you dont fortify, itll be hard to defend

[unborn dagger]

It's to encourage people to upvote it

Stupid but ya

[thin remnant]

feels cheap and arrogant

comes across like that

if i see someone upvote their own post im less likely to upvote it XD

[unborn dagger]

Pretty much why I usually check who is upvoting it

[thin remnant]

same

and some people's opinions i hold in higher regard than others

[remote ore]

I don't care if people upvote their own idea or not, if the idea is good I upvote it, if it's bad I downvote it xD

[unborn dagger]

Same, same

[median zephyr]

for sure, even if its a person i disagree with 99% of the time, a good idea is a good idea

[thin remnant]

same but its annoying and doesnt make me more likely to upvote lol

but im not gonna downvote a good idea just cause i disagree with the individual's methods

[remote ore]

yeah it's a bit childish

[thin remnant]

about your suggestion to remove mmr, couldn't we just have like 2-3 mmr areas?

the kiddy pool, the pro pool

[median zephyr]

i dont think its particularly childish, theyre suggesting the idea, so obv theyre for it, its kinda like a president voting for themselves, its within their interest

[thin remnant]

or the kiddy pool for new players that get locked in 1*, the kiddy pool for people who have played for a while but still bad, and the good player pool

imo thats the best way to do it if they decide to rethink mmr system

[remote ore]

R6 Siege does something similar

ranked mode, unranked mode

everyone's happy

[median zephyr]

we dont have the playerbase for different modes though, this wouldnt work for us

[remote ore]

yeah that could be a problem

[thin remnant]

thats not what we're suggesting.

at least what i am.

I'm suggesting basically to rework the mmr system into 3 categories

[remote ore]

expand on your idea

[thin remnant]

New players continue to be matched against other new players. same as always right now.

[median zephyr]

yours is different, but we kinda already have this in the stars, theres trainee already (which is baby baby) then 1-3 stars and 4-6 stars

[thin remnant]

but bad players who aren't new are in their own category, similar to 1-3* in the current game

and good players 4-6* get their own category too

[thin remnant]

yeah basically

i feel like the system could be simplified.

and improved in that way

Kiddy, bad, good

3 categories for all kinds of players

[median zephyr]

but what is this changing? if you simplify the system, youll just have people complaining about skill difference even more

[thin remnant]

#feedback message

[median zephyr]

people want to feel like their matches are fair, at least a lot of people

[thin remnant]

this is the feedback i'm expanding on

[remote ore]

hiding MMR completely from players would help

[thin remnant]

that's already not the case with how matchmaking works though.

the system puts 3*s against 6s etc.

[median zephyr]

but making it worse, wouldnt help

[remote ore]

pretty sure people complain, no matter what you do xD

[thin remnant]

If there are only 3 categories but those 3 categories can't interact with eachother, 3s could not interact with 6s

[thin remnant]

yeah this is true xd

[median zephyr]

of course they could, one teammate is in the good pool, one isnt

now does the good player get dragged to the bad, can they not play together?

[thin remnant]

3s teams i suppose i should specify

[remote ore]

at some point it's a pvp game, players are playing against each other, sometimes players are stronger than you, sometimes they are weaker

[thin remnant]

but yeah that is a complication..

[remote ore]

it's just impossible to have a perfect match balance every single game

[median zephyr]

mmr was added for a reason, and while its not perfect you CANT make a perfect mmr, and doing this wouldnt help the issue

we used to all be thrown into a pool, people hated it, then there was skill based toggle, which i liked but that changed, now we all have skill based on, and people still complain about unfair matches, but i dont see a way to get more fair matches, esp full ones

[thin remnant]

skill based toggle was amazing

but the games playerbase couldnt handle it right?

[median zephyr]

i believe so

bc it split it

so any splits, we cant handle

[thin remnant]

thats why im against any kind of new deathmatch mode

[remote ore]

I've been playing multiplayer FPSes since Doom (ok boomer), for a long time matchmaking wasn't even a thing and people were happy xD

[median zephyr]

exactly, i have nothing against new modes itself, but i cant even get full matches in the afternoon

[thin remnant]

ok boomer

[thin remnant]

as an oce player i feel ya

[median zephyr]

this can happen, but nowadays, esp in compeetitive shooters, worse people WANT fair matches, a newer player vs a vet will feel so unfairly matched

[median zephyr]

my condolences

if what you want is to have more people in a pool so you can get matches, i 100% get your want

[remote ore]

that's correct, but I believe this is also an incentive to get better, to locate yourself* in the middle of the bell curve

[median zephyr]

however they already slightly do this, in OCE i believe it has the widest brackets

[remote ore]

never been for "carebearing" in pvp games; I like the math the do its own thing

[median zephyr]

yes, but people dont want to get better by getting demolished, they want to match with people similarly so it feels fair

i personally am good enough where i want full matches above all, but this is not the majority opinion

[remote ore]

yeah different people, different opinions I guess

I agree that everyone should be able to have fun

[median zephyr]

exactly, mmr is there to help these players feel happier

[remote ore]

my fun is when I get stomped because it motivates me to get better

[median zephyr]

thats fair, i wish our playerbase could sustain skill based toggle, so then both parties get what they want

i loved it for this reason, ill just have to hope aug 15th somehow ushers in so many people we can, i can dream

[wicked cairn]

I would like to express my opinion regarding the new matchmaking system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1ee0pab/fed_up_with_this_new_pairing/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/4517757613978273636/?tscn=1722065583

https://steamcommunity.com/id/estoico69/recommended/594650/

[unborn sandal]

Feel the same way

It’s absolute garbage

[fair lion]

Would it be a Problem to add a 15 min timeban in case of early disconnecting (and Not reconnecting)? Disconnecting is destroying random Matches

[final frigate]

when is reconnecting getting fixed i just lost 2 hunters due to not being able to do this shi

[hot vigil]

Less that and more that it basically only had one effect:

• Only high MMR players would use it
• New Players would think that it meant "casual mode" and get stomped by those High MMR players

[crystal plume]

SBMM toggle didn't have as extreme of an effect as people think, it still tried to first look for people around your skill so vast majority of matches were the same no matter if you had it on or off

It only had an effect if you had the matchmaking timer run out, only then would it check for others who also had it off

[bright plank]

https://www.twitch.tv/quinx/clip/ColorfulFriendlyRamenPunchTrees-IgD5UIfnQfYT9-ui?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

Little funy clip

[hot vigil]

@obsidian narwhal sorry to say, but weapon malfunctions mechanics is a VERY niche thing and even in single player games, very polarizing.
Simply losing a fight due to a bad streak of luck would be an awful experience in most players optics.

Same of losing to a person that have dirt ass weapon but still manage to get their shot off and kill you.

[queen jungle]

While personally I'd love malfunctions mechanics, I agree that most people would probably dislike such a feature.

[signal mural]

@civic widget I like Erron Black but I think you found the worst possible image of him.

This one might get more positive responses. He doesn't look like such a neo-techno cowboy here and the gunnie better proportioned.

[civic widget]

This is the MK11 one of him 😵‍💫 Thats why i used the MK10 version. I like his old style

[hybrid forum]

@obsidian narwhal please no more rng in hunt, If people wanted to have gun malfunctions they'd play tarkov

also here you spew out a singular bullet at a time, instead of a hail of bullets like in tarkov

each bullet here is worth so much more than in other games

denying the shot because of bad luck is just terrible

also it would just snowball each failure into a bigger failure. Every time you'd get killed, your gun would get dirtier, which in turn would get you killed more

it would be seriously hard to get out of that pit

even though I'm a gun nut and I'd kill for some more animations of hunters messing with their guns' mechanisms, this mechanic is, objectively, bad

and if you plan on putting gun oil in every compound 100% of the time, it would be so trivial to get rid off dirt that there's no point in having that mechanic

it would only punish people from fighting outside of compounds

[thin remnant]

Perhaps make dirty weapon sights visually thicker due to a layer of dirt?

So they're harder to aim at range but it's still technically only aesthetic

And no unfairness or RNG it'd just be a mild annoyance

@obsidian narwhal

[obsidian narwhal]

that's a possibility too, possibly less of a bother than RNG mechanics

[meager vessel]

Why is that when my team goes and takes a really good fight with another team and we get the bounty that then there is a a team outside the compound who have done nothing the whole game. Why do we have to face them. They are full health and full ammo and everything. Why does the game not spawn PVE on these people. Why is the meta to not have the bounty. The bounty has no power. Not enough seconds. It's not a good idea to pick the bounty up. It's not a good idea to fight the boss. It seems that you should just sit in a bush and do nothing until another team gets the bounty then kill them.

[obsidian narwhal]

i want more in-depth animations for gun inspection tbh, and i want that dirt effect to hae a real use

[hot vigil]

Well, if two team just shift w into each other ofc the other teams can benefit for waiting.
Hunt's openess just rewards that kind of play. Is there factors that makes it stronger, sure, but dunno you cannot remove that aspect of the game :)

[meager vessel]

Yeah it just seems like there is a lot of nothing that happens. Makes the game less fun. I am not looking for call of duty pace here but if there is people just watching netflix on another screen it's kinda silly.

[hot vigil]

Eh it is different paced games where setting up ambushes and navigating the map is a primary focus

[meager vessel]

Must just not be a game for me.

[median zephyr]

this meta is not fun youre right, but, there is literally no fix for this unless we make it like soul survivor and the bounty extracts after a time, which would be terrible, and would lead to even more concertina camping and doing nothing, maybe with bullet drop snipers will not be nearly as easy and people will come fight, we will have to wait and see

[meager vessel]

Could a fix be that we spawn meat heads on top of people who do nothing?

[median zephyr]

how do you determine who is "doing nothing" and as a veteran, a meathead would do nothing to me, not only easy to avoid, but also i can kill them easily with a few throws of a spear

this is the thing, obv it should be stopped, or at least made much less effective bc its not fun, but theres no easy fix solutions

my hope is bullet drop helps, maybe the new mines will help, i genuinely dont know but thats the best i can think of

[meager vessel]

Yeah I just think you throw non stop throw PVE at them till they die. Give them a warning system. The same thing happens at boss building. Extremally long stale mates. I hear what you're saying. I think there is more fundamental change needed. Or give the bounty more power. Make it so I get more seconds over time by just sitting there like the people who don't push the building. They aren't even in range but shooting us. Make it so the Bounty give me an overheal. There has to be something that can make the game more fun. It's in a sad state at the moment. IMO

[median zephyr]

no amount of pve will kill a good player, unless you spawn an IMMENSE amount of like hives, which just feels forced and strange, and yes i agree there needs to be changes somewhere, but even these changes i dont like, yes the meta is not to have the bounty, but seconds ARE strong, so with this method youd just make the bounty sit more, and im heavily against an overheal of any sort, this game is good bc guns are consistant, nobody has armor, if you are at a certain range, and know where you hit, you KNOW what happened to your enemy, the only confusion comes with people having bloodless, salveskin, bullwark etc. we both want similar things, but these are not the way to do it imo. and there still comes the issue of how do you determine who is doing nothing? bc if its moving at all stops the timer, people will just step once, if its not lenient itll punish people who play normally. its a thing that needs more complex base game changes

[meager vessel]

I hear you, there are thematic issues with my ideas and I don't disagree with you. That also doesn't mean it's impossible. I also think all hunters who don't leave with the bounty should have their hunter killed as soon as the bounty leaves. You can't just load into the lobby and sit there and if the bounty leaves then just say "Oh well I guess I will just load into the next game." Take their money for failing the mission. Punish people who make the game less fun. I wish there was a separate hunt playlist for these types of ideas because I think it would make the game more enjoyable to play. Playing for 40 minutes for one bounty just to have a long stale mate is just not doing it for me.

[median zephyr]

i dont think its impossible, im just saying its a lot lot harder then any of these like easy impliment solutions, and i dont like this idea either, the amount of times a bounty has been banished, and i get caught in a fight on the other side of the map, is numerous, not to mention getting engaged by another team while the bounty leaves, youre catching way too many normal players in this punishment, and stalemates do suck, but the new compound design, and burning changes, and necro changes, in theory will help this, it doesnt feel good to leave or just push an unfavorable thing, but imo its better then waiting 40 minutes, and id recommend that for now

[thin remnant]

Thing is, most people's counter to campers is to camp

[tribal wyvern]

@trail carbon
It gets whacky because Crytek doesn't know what "adjustment" means. They only know, either completly rework/nerf to oblivion or buff to the skies.

We wanted peoples mmr to not jump up/down so much, to be a bit less volatile. Their answere
"lets revamp the entire system, lets populate higher & lower mmr by 10x as many ppl & lets make it so dying doesn't remove any mmr at all."

[thin remnant]

It's a vicious cycle

[median zephyr]

well yea, if someone is in a concertinad up lair, you really CANT push, and if a sniper is 250m away through a field, you also cant push, well at least if you dont want to take a disadvantaged fight, and frankly you dont want to reward this playstyle either, it really does suck

[thin remnant]

Stalker beetle was meant to counter campers yes?

Feels like it does nothing for that

If they're sitting in a bush sniping the beetle literally can't reach them and wouldn't help if it could

In a concertina boss lair they just shake off the damage from it exploding and keep hiding

Only really helps for people camping in corners etc ig, but that's not an "advanced" camper

Eventually they just learn a better way to play how they do and disregard the mechanics made to punish their playstyle

[median zephyr]

there really isnt a way to counter "advanced" campers, but it does do some things, beetles are there to stop people sitting completely still, so you can find them without risking your hunter, and either make them move, or give you a slight amount of time to push, with the dmg and the poision, and beetles can often reach the common snipers, which can push them down for a few seconds while they heal, it obv doesnt fix the problem, but i cant think of a way for it to

[tribal wyvern]

Best way to beat campers is to do what they'll do in the new map. Add multiple ways inside the compound and bosslairs.

So that you can't just sit in a corner. You're never fully safe like you are now.

[median zephyr]

^

[thin remnant]

Yeah new map is hype

[tribal wyvern]

But i'd also make medkit baseline, so you can give another tool to counter camper aswell.

[thin remnant]

Sadly however the other maps still exist

[tribal wyvern]

Something like a choke, but maybe a smoke cloud or something

[median zephyr]

but this is only for concertina campers, which is a big step, but this doesnt help the 250m snipers, a lot of this comes down to map design

[thin remnant]

Is crytek reworking all maps completely? I surely doubt that

[median zephyr]

i do not want this, this just means more traps

[tribal wyvern]

bullet drop will help with that

[thin remnant]

Just a visual overhaul

[median zephyr]

they are changing, but they only said gameplay for lawson, but maybe theyll do more

[thin remnant]

If crytek nerfs Spitzer and hv a little I think

[median zephyr]

in theory yes, we will have to see, if they make spitzer, or like ceni high velocity with almost no drop, it wont help, i can hope it hurts snipers

[thin remnant]

Especially HV needs a real downside when it becomes an anti drop ammo type

[median zephyr]

might not need a nerf, we dont know how it drops

we gotta wait and see

[thin remnant]

At least HV.

I always wanted HV to receive a real downside

[median zephyr]

we only know how 2 guns at specific distances drop, got no info on the rest

[thin remnant]

Now with it getting another bonus, it really needs a downside

[unborn sandal]

They’ve only shown rifles

Pistol have it significantly worse

At least in the stats

[median zephyr]

id hope so, pistols shouldnt be no drop at 150m

[thin remnant]

I'm worried for pistols but we can't be sure

[thin remnant]

Shouldn't be noticeable until like 40m imo

[tribal wyvern]

Most likely it will affect plays over 80m.
Don't think bullet drop is here to affect compound battles

[median zephyr]

in a perfect world, the current headhsot range of most pistols, and some rifles should be about where they start significantly dropping, besides long ammo snipers

[thin remnant]

That's being conservative

Even 50m without it being really noticeable is fine imo

[unborn sandal]

As is if you’re lucky/a good shot you’re still at a disadvantage at mid-long with a pistol/shotgun loadout but you have a chance. I’m worried the update is going to make it so that you can’t do anything with a pistol

[thin remnant]

Well that's the hope

Uppercut fmj though

That Finna be a hand crossbow

[median zephyr]

well have to see, if nagant silencer falls by the wasteside to stop snipers, ill take that trade

[unborn sandal]

Most pistols start dropping at 10 meters

[median zephyr]

if compound fights see no affect, but sniping does, thats all i want

[median zephyr]

any hunt vet will tell you store stats mean nothing

[thin remnant]

Is it not 15

[median zephyr]

we have to wait and see

[tribal wyvern]

that stat doesnt say much if anything @unborn sandal without more testing or showcase

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I totally agree here. While, I don't think anyone owes you a playstyle... I also kinda do think that. People optimized the fun out of hunt, and that's how we got here

[thin remnant]

Lmao remember that sighted range thing

So useless

[median zephyr]

100% im not even saying run in and play call of duty, i just ask players do SOMETHING

[thin remnant]

Nobody owes you a playstyle, unless your playstyle is sucking the fun out of the game

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I like hunt because it isn't call of duty (well, that's one of the reasons), but methodical gameplay does not equal time wasting gameplay

[thin remnant]

The only camping I enjoy fighting against is the funny ones like Sayler.

[median zephyr]

yea exactly, sitting in a fully concertina lair, waiting for the timer to run down hoping the other person gets bored, is not methodical

[tribal wyvern]

Ye i stopped playing solo because teams just refuse to do shit anymore. in 6star mmr & stuck here forever. But you can get to a banished boss 15mins after & still no gunshots at all. And if you are visible 3 teams will shoot at you.

[trail carbon]

Sitting in a stalemate with a team inside the boss lair for 20 minutes isn't very fun

[thin remnant]

Like one time someone trapped me underground in this boobytrapped lair they were hiding in and called themselves jigsaw

You could call that camping but it was fun af

[median zephyr]

ok thats kinda funny

[trail carbon]

Not gonna lie, as much as I hate how volatile the mmr is, I'm so glad I lost a few games in a row to a 3 star, and got out of 6 star land. I hate it there

[tribal wyvern]

ye if i knew that change came, I would have dropped to 3 star first myself.

[trail carbon]

See, that's cool and fun though

[thin remnant]

I walk into one trap, bleed, turn a corner to stop bleeding, walk into a trolled barrel and die xd

I had self Necro too so it kept going

Didn't give up until I ran out of bars

[thin remnant]

Yeah exactly

[median zephyr]

this is at least like, you can get in and do stuff

[trail carbon]

Most people that use concertina just slow the game down though

[median zephyr]

the worst campers are ones who dont peak, who dont allow you to do stuff with concertina

[trail carbon]

I honestly believe they should just remove concertina at this point. I don't think it does anything besides harm to the game

Make a new, more interesting trap

[thin remnant]

Eh concertina is cool and so deeply ingrained in many of the games systems

Thing about scrapbeak, bow etc

[trail carbon]

At least let me break it with anything then

[thin remnant]

More ways to break conc perhaps

Yeah exactly what you said

[trail carbon]

Conc teaps are the worst

[thin remnant]

Can conc be penned?

[trail carbon]

Because it takes 2 consumables to safely get rid of it

[thin remnant]

If not that's a start

[trail carbon]

Only by long ammo :)

[thin remnant]

That's silly

[median zephyr]

i dont even mind concertina traps, by themselves anyways, ive always said make it so if you use an explosive on the trap, it shouldnt produce wire

[trail carbon]

Yeah, it shouldn't

[thin remnant]

Should be pen able by almost anything. Just like chicken wire.

[median zephyr]

it is silly that the wire is invincible on the spool, so you need to shoot it and hope your explosive destroys it

[thin remnant]

Disarmable trap wires are interesting

[median zephyr]

what does disarmable trap wires entail?

[thin remnant]

Make conc pen easier for other ammos. Make it so there's resource using ways to destroy the wire before it activates. Those are two good first steps

With all this though it might need another buff in a different direction

[median zephyr]

i dont think itd need a buff, but the issue isnt that things dont pen it

honestly if you let other things pen it that might make it better

[trail carbon]

Let me disarm traps with serpant + vigilant (I think that's what the trap seeing trait ia called)

[thin remnant]

I imagine things like explosives disarm it like you said

Basically breaking the trap

[median zephyr]

oh for sure, ive always been for this, you use a resource, you can go in there

[thin remnant]

For sure

[trail carbon]

Honestly, we could also nerf long ammo into the ground. It wouldn't make this specific issue go away, but it would make me feel better

[median zephyr]

i doubt thatll ever happen, its strong but it doesnt need to go into the ground

just need to mostly discourage sniping as much

[trail carbon]

I'm just tired of it

[median zephyr]

yea but then youll get tired of the next meta too im sure

[trail carbon]

After what, 5 years of long ammo meta

[median zephyr]

vetterli fmj, or god knows whats next, officer carbine, itll all get stale again

[trail carbon]

I'll take anything over getting shot at from 100+ meters every 3 seconds

(These shots do over half your health) :)

[median zephyr]

well this will hopefully be helped with bullet drop, although i hope 100m isnt

[trail carbon]

Hopefully. I really dislike sniping. Like sure, it's maybe fun for the sniper, but I challenge you to find me a single pvp fps where people like fighting snipers

[median zephyr]

for concertina, i think just maing explosives more effective against wire, and making it not let conc tripmines explode, would be a good start, could even add certain consumables around boss lairs, like an explosive with a long like 20 second fuse, with terrible throw range, to clear concertina

[thin remnant]

Titanfall 2

Kraber is chad

[trail carbon]

Oh yeah, you're right

[median zephyr]

if i have a sniper sniper fighting can be fun, and there is def games, but in this one, having most weapons unable to hurt them, if you even spot them, is bad

but next update at LEAST they die to a headhsot if you can somehow land it

[trail carbon]

To be fair, in Titanfall 2, you can just get to the sniper in a second though

[dusky tapir]

Poacher.

Distract the shotgun with a beetle or throwable

[median zephyr]

poacher doesnt help, you can hear anyone on wood at close range even crouching

but yes an explosive and the right lair can allow this to work

[thin remnant]

Can poacher disarm conc traps?

[median zephyr]

but if youre in range of the throwable you risk hurting yourself, or setting off the trap

[median zephyr]

it makes it quieter

[dusky tapir]

Poacher makes all trap sounds way quieter

And for bear traps it changes the disarm animation so that it doesnt clang

[thin remnant]

But concs are disarmable yes?

[median zephyr]

yes all traps are

[dusky tapir]

All tripmines are

[median zephyr]

you just need to be right up on it and hold interact

[thin remnant]

Imo the first course of action is make it more easily pennable

Something else too ofc

[median zephyr]

this would make it better in some ways, the issue is you cant go through it, not cant shoot through it

[thin remnant]

If you can shoot through and kill the guys it's easier

[thin remnant]

Yeah it needs smth else too

[median zephyr]

not really concertina campers dont peak unless they get a free kill, like they hear you meleeing the wire

[thin remnant]

Yes hmmmmm

[median zephyr]

its not an issue of they sit in your los and laugh, its they sit right beside the doorway and wait for a freebie

[thin remnant]

They're not resigning maps right

That limits that option as good as it may be

[median zephyr]

they are redisigning all maps looks wise, they only said gameplay for lawson so far

[thin remnant]

A start would be traps not working underwater.

That way it's harder to extract trap

And certain campy compounds

Could get certain entrances with water on the floor

[median zephyr]

traps working undewater doesnt really solve this issue, thats extract trapping

[thin remnant]

Oh wait they're making traps placeable on walls huh

[median zephyr]

yea

[thin remnant]

I feel like traps not working underwater is a net positive however

But may not be worth the effort

[median zephyr]

traps underwater is not an issue, you can see them and avoid them, now if someone concertinas a whole extract so you cant leave for a bit thats rough

probably yea, but not even all extracts are boats, its a nice but not really fixing much

frankly depending on map, putting the trap before extract is often better, if theres a predictable route

and people can just do that

[thin remnant]

Is something limiting trap placement an option do you reckon

Like if they must be nailed on the ground so you can't use them on stone or metal

But may just be annoying
But would make it so at least some entrances are available if map design worms with it

[median zephyr]

they def dont want to do this, they want traps to be more easily placed not less

[dusky tapir]

doors are gonna trigger tripmines with the aug patch

[median zephyr]

the issue is traps being too low skill for such high reward/ causing stalemates, most compounds dont have a full stone floor

[thin remnant]

So that means

[dusky tapir]

you'll probably see more cunning / different trap placement in compounds

[thin remnant]

The best option probs IS more easier ways to break it

[thin remnant]

Good change tbh

[median zephyr]

i doubt it, for years traps right at the door hasnt been the best, yet we still see it

[dusky tapir]

they touched on this - mammon's gulch compounds will require way more investment to trap ALL entrances, and the map updates are gonna help with this

[median zephyr]

yes 100% in theory anyway, but then theres still the old maps, the game doesnt stay only mammons

[thin remnant]

So the other maps are getting that love too?

Awesome

[dusky tapir]

that's what I inferred from the PC Gamer video

[median zephyr]

they didnt say that besides gameplay on lawson

[thin remnant]

Our discussion is on the theory that the old Maps stay as they are

[median zephyr]

they wouldve said gameplay for all maps, not just lawson

they COULD change old maps, and id love that, but not confirmed

[thin remnant]

Hrmmmmmmrmrmrmrmrmdmhmmhm

Yeah bayou needs some love lol

[median zephyr]

just more meaningful entrances and less open fields really, this helps you push snipers, and stops people turtling up so easy

not saying itd fix all, but itd be a step in the right direction

[thin remnant]

Yo about your explosive suggestion

Frags are rending yes

They're the meta explosive rn little reason to bring much else

If it was only explosive explosives that disarmed traps that'd give them more use over the frag bomb

[median zephyr]

yes 100%

which is a good thing imo

[thin remnant]

Yeah thatd be cool

Would work on all traps imo

[median zephyr]

if the whole community went over to dynamite bundles, thatd be a lot more healthy, and less concertina camping even if people only carry 1 or 2

[thin remnant]

I don't want all dyna bundles

But more diversity would be nice

Instead of all frags

I was thinking about a multiple use low damage explosive tool but not sure how bad that'd mess with the game

[median zephyr]

yea 100% there would still be frags

thats called decoy fuses

already in the game

[thin remnant]

Would be good with sparks in theory but low MV

[median zephyr]

good at clearing concertina actually

[thin remnant]

Oh ok so they do?

I asked before but dont think it was answered

Do they destroy a meaningful amount

[median zephyr]

do what?

[chrome oyster]

@median zephyr with the amount of people that job lob bombs into compounds you might as well remove traps ... no thanks

[median zephyr]

they cant explode every doorway, traps would still be good just cause less stalemates, nobody has that many dynamite sticks, and if they use them all to be able to enter, thats a resource use

[thin remnant]

Me and peri have discussed that frags would not work because rending but dynamite would

If that helps at all lol

Most people lob frags in there and that'd stop people from just frag arrows spamming it

[median zephyr]

for sure people lob frags, but my change doesnt change this, only explosive dmg

frags would still set it off like normal

[chrome oyster]

I play in the 3-4 bracket and there are tons of people that lob normal dynamite, waxed, and big/bundled dynamite ... at basically every door

you can't do it solo, but if you have a team ... oh yeah you can

[thin remnant]

They're wasting their resources then and idk why they'd do that

[median zephyr]

then get creative with your traps, if you put them right at the door and it gets destroyed, thats what the resource is for

[chrome oyster]

I was playing one match a few days ago and we were joking that it was the 4th of July

[median zephyr]

its not meant to eat a dynamite and then nobody can push you

[chrome oyster]

there's a HUGE blast radius on some of these bombs

[median zephyr]

no there isnt, i have the data of every bomb in the game, plus walls usually stop them, this doesnt explode the whole lair

[thin remnant]

And yet they don't curve around walls

Anyway when did peri say how far the traps could be exploded?

They might only be destroyed if they take 100+ explosion damage who knows

[chrome oyster]

... just open the door, shoot the trap, and then throw your bomb

we do not need "bombs beat traps everytime" to be the meta

that would SUCK

[median zephyr]

you can do this yes, if they place the trap poorly

but this would make it easier to get the ones below windows

and why do you think youre resource is more valuble then their dynamite? they use it to clear concertina, in the current game the bomb doesnt always clear it

[chrome oyster]

... throw a lantern? use a beetle? don't go through the window?

bombs are pretty reliable in clearing concertina in my experience

[median zephyr]

its not that theres NO way to get rid of these, but itd make it more seamless to disarm concertina

[thin remnant]

A dynamite is more valuable than a trap that comes in a pack of two imo

[median zephyr]

in my experience theyre not

[chrome oyster]

I don't want that

[median zephyr]

i do

[chrome oyster]

well, we're not going to agree

[median zephyr]

so we fundamentally disagree and thats ok

traps are already strong, its not fun gameplay for them to block off doors even if you use resources, this causes stalemates

not to mention most people are only reliably carrying one dynamite stick, unless they looted a bunch

[thin remnant]

We're right you're wrong :P/j

[chrome oyster]

... do you know how many times I've just pushed from a few different directions and disarmed traps?

it's not rocket science

[median zephyr]

i know youre joking but lets not do this please

[chrome oyster]

what you're proposing makes traps useless

[median zephyr]

not at all

and you can only disarm traps if the inside team is distracted or bad

[chrome oyster]

people are just going to predetonate their traps or bring concertina arrows

[median zephyr]

like you said earlier its soooooo easy to disarm them and blow the wire, so then wouldnt my change not hurt?

but it seems like you think this would heavily make them less reliable at stopping pushes, which is good

[thin remnant]

Imo if this suggestion is added traps should only disarm if taking a certain threshold of explosion damage

[median zephyr]

yes they can, which you cant do much about even now

[median zephyr]

100% not just one point, maybe within the kill range of the explosive

i havent worked out the numbers, but you should have to know theres a trap in the general area youre throwing

not just... throw and hope you get the trap

[thin remnant]

Btw peri just so you know it's generally frowned upon to upvote your own suggestions

[median zephyr]

it is? ah didnt know that, thought itd be obvious i supported my suggested thing

[thin remnant]

Yeah you're alg no way you could've known

[blissful jackal]

traps are cringe remove them from the game problem solved

[thin remnant]

It's just seen as trying to sway the votes in your favour, as of course you like your own suggestion

[median zephyr]

theyll never do this, i agree theyre too strong, for the amount of effort, but i think we just need to tone down what it does and consistancy

[chrome oyster]

it's not hard, but wha you're proposing makes it even easier. It encourages people to just predetonate the traps (which means disarming is now hard/unlikely), which means everyone's running bombs just like everyone is running chokes

[median zephyr]

back in my day a concertina was a heavy kill in your favor, now people dont even poke with the trap combo

[median zephyr]

disarming is already hard/ unlikely, and yes if people bring in a bomb to stop concertina, thats a good thing

adds variety and bombs are the counter to concertina, i dont see why this is an issue

[thin remnant]

Everything having counter play always is nice

[median zephyr]

it needs a more reliable counter, as concertina causes too many stalemates

and if youre gonna say everyone bringing chokes is bad, this is also a good thing

[thin remnant]

Well imo they should add low throw range world spawn sand bags that put out small fires

So chokes aren't absolute necessary

[median zephyr]

i dont agree, yes base game stuff is nice, but some things are good that people really want, bc a lot is "base kit"

[queen jungle]

IIRC it was said years ago by Crytek that they don't want this so death is more consequential. Around 2021-ish every suggestion was like "add water buckets to put out fire".

[median zephyr]

like medkit, vit shot, chokes, if these all had their own ingame thing or own slot, the game would kinda suck

[chrome oyster]

part of the problem is your counter is also a pretty effective player killer

like, you can use decoys to trigger a trap and then blow it up, even if it's in a window

[median zephyr]

i disagree, if theyre throwing it at the trap, you have 5 seconds to get away, thats more then enough time

[chrome oyster]

traps are supposed to be an area denial

[median zephyr]

not area denial no matter what they do, theyre using a resource to get rid of it

[chrome oyster]

not if they throw it from a distance with pitcher. I've definitely had some bombs come up on me cooked that caught me off guard. I'm not saying it's the norm, but it happens

[queen jungle]

Yes, choosing the right gear and ideally adjusting each team mate's gear so your team is set up as versatile as possible - as well as having to deal with an inconvenience if you lack something - is part of what makes the game even more fun.

[thin remnant]

Death is more consequential? Making chokes only put out fires does nothing for deaths bring consequential, it just means everyone brings chokes and can always put out fires reliably, making death less consequential

[median zephyr]

yea imagine infinate putting out fire, with another tool slot

[chrome oyster]

... or maybe they're just throwing bombs all over the building and wiping out most of the traps along with them

[median zephyr]

but you cant forever, youre gonna get 2 mins to do something, where water buckets would be forever

[queen jungle]

And if everybody brings chokes that means they cannot take some other tool that may come in handy.
Personally, I rarely bring chokes. They're useful but not a must-have.

[median zephyr]

100% i dont want everyone havign everything

[thin remnant]

That's actually interesting tbh

[median zephyr]

bombs arent this big, and walls often stop it, this is not an issue

[thin remnant]

I suppose when in a pre-made trio you can organise who has chokes for reviving

I may be biased

[chrome oyster]

you keep saying walls stop things ... there are so many compounds that have entrances that are right next to each other. One bomb in a relatively small area could kill off 3 sets of traps AND a player

[median zephyr]

this is rare, and if you trapped all 3 things right next to each other, that would be a good use of a bomb, they used a resource to open up a push

[thin remnant]

So what if traps need to take at least 150 damage to be disarmed

[median zephyr]

and if you stayed on the traps, thats on you, you can hear the fuse well in advance

[thin remnant]

I gtg goodbye

[chrome oyster]

then it's inconsistent to the point where you can't rely on it

[median zephyr]

i disagree, bomb kill ranges are v consistant, and this would be how it would work

[thin remnant]

If you used it to spam wildly not knowing where traps are, yes.

[median zephyr]

i dont want a 1dmg explosion to completely destroy a trap, they threw terribly

[thin remnant]

That's why it's encourage only using the bomb if you know where the trap is

[median zephyr]

it needs to be INTENTIONAL, like they know its even somewhere around the window

[thin remnant]

Which prevents the issue you speak of

[bright plank]

To be fair, the wire design of the draps we have in game (other than bear traps) is extremely fragile. Especially indoors any bit of debris or a shockwave would trigger them.

[median zephyr]

yes trigger, its fine if a glancing explosion still sets them off, im saying probably within bomb kill range

[thin remnant]

Perhaps a small amount of explosion damage activates it but 150 destroys it?

[chrome oyster]

maybe, maybe if it was a lot of damage to the trap and then that "killed" the trap

I'd rather it be "traps get triggered" and then the explosion mitigates X% of the concertina. So if you get it right on the trap, the trap still goes off, but then the concertina is destroyed too.

If you just lob into the room like a maniac, you just trigger all the traps and the room becomes porcupine city.

[median zephyr]

this is basically what im suggesting

[thin remnant]

Based

[median zephyr]

i dont want it to be RIGHT on the trap, but if you know the general are and get it near it should be destroyed

[thin remnant]

150+

[median zephyr]

you use a resource, you know youll be able to at least walk in that doorway/window/etc

[median zephyr]

^

[thin remnant]

Maybe edit the suggestion w the stuff we decided here in the discussion

[median zephyr]

isnt it kinda messed up to edit it once its voted on? that feels like tricking people

[chrome oyster]

... yeah I agree, I normally try to keep edits minor

[median zephyr]

like it needs to be more fleshed out, im not fully convinced on distance, dmg, etc, but if you know the trap is in an area, and use an explosive, it should not make conceritna

[thin remnant]

If it's just little elaborations people don't mind usually

Yeah keep it minor

As long as it's just elaborations you're good

[chrome oyster]

I changed my 👎 to a 🤔 ... best I can give ya on this one

[median zephyr]

i think my thing gets the point across mostly, id rather not try and change it

i mean hey if you dont like it you dont like it, im asking opinions not like, just agree with me lol

if everyone says its terrible then its terrible and thats how it is

[thin remnant]

Maybe edit it with notes if you want not necessary

Like "note: probably only works if the trap takes 150+ explosion damage"

But entirely up to you, your suggestion is already getting upvotes

[median zephyr]

done, hope that gets my point across

[chrome oyster]

... well, I try and keep an open mind ...

[median zephyr]

so do i, i want the game to be healthy and good, even if its against my own "interests"

like for instance i play solo, and necro is getting a blurf, but it def makes the game healthier

so even if it makes me worse, it is better for the game

[river zephyr]

@median zephyr just saw the suggestion myself and I like it too. What do you think if explosive rounds had the same affect of "killing" traps? I could see that as adding some much needed value to the ammo type by giving it a proper role as a seiging ammo.

@bold grotto the blow blowgun idea has been floated a lot and I still like it too but not unless they revert the poison nerf to Immolators

[median zephyr]

im unsure, i mean sure explosive ammo isnt great, and its kinda there to be the buster, maybe to a direct hit? idk this would have to be thought on

maybe it could be good, i dont think itd be too strong, but id rather air on the side of caution if im unsure, ill give it a solid maybe

[river zephyr]

Much the same way you argue it has to be intentional and not just a glancing shot, explosive ammo would likewise have to be fired at the ground or mechanism close by, even closer than regular explosives.

[median zephyr]

yea for sure, i wouldnt mind it if it had to be very close if not fully direct, this would solidify explosive ammo as the sieging ammo, im not certain and havent given it enough thought, but it could be good

id genuinely suggest it yourself, gives people food for thought

[river zephyr]

No problem if you're up for me piggy backing on your post.

[median zephyr]

i not only dont mind i encourage it! more opinions and flow of info is only good

like if someone suggests something bad, people will say why its bad, if its good, people will think its a good idea and maybe get it done, its a win no matter what

[chilly nova]

Sounds a lot like encouraging traps to be used.

[median zephyr]

well in a way maybe, but its also just harder to defend in general, so since people have traps, you cant balance compounds around no traps, its kinda like taking them into accountish

even people who only use bear traps need to setup, it just helps you out, its kinda the benefit of actually doing the boss, which isnt much

[chilly nova]

Disagreeing with their talking points and misunderstanding them are very different.

[median zephyr]

well of course, but i dont think there here saying like, trap up the whole place, but theyre def saying using traps makes you safer, which is just true

its harder to defend if you dont setup, this isnt even weather you like traps, theyre just good for you to setup

[analog jetty]

does reporting even work?

[crystal plume]

It does

[median zephyr]

they absolutely look at it, i have had multiple people banned, and theyve expressed frustration with "rage reporting"

im not gonna pretend im on the inside, i doubt they look at every one individually, but if enough people report a certain person, im sure they look at it

[blissful jackal]

report on the website 👍

[median zephyr]

Anyone else not see the voting available in the suggestions?

suggestions-ideas to be specific

[river zephyr]

I see a few posts missing it, yeah

[thin remnant]

@queen zinc no thanks. Custom ammo is already overinflated and it's a big problem imo.

Guns like the slate should have different ammo types to their competitors to seperate them.

If you want flechette, the slate just isn't for you.

The worst example of this are the scottfield and pax.

They used to be seperated competitors, with people wanting certain ammo types going for one or the other, usually the pax

But then the great special ammo apocalypse came and they have basically the same ammo now and way too much of it

[median zephyr]

i second this at least in general

however idm the pax having all these custom ammos, that shouldve been its thing, but guns kinda are losing their "thing"

[thin remnant]

Yeah

The Springfield can also have a bunch

Imo

But like, sparks and martini.

[median zephyr]

yea, take away ceni bleed too

[thin remnant]

Ye

Another example is dolch fmj

Even crytek admitted that was a bad move

[median zephyr]

yes, dolch custom ammo was one of the worst decisions they did in recent memmory

not bc it took away anothers nieche though

but bc the dolch was already strong, and fmj is just a huge buff

[thin remnant]

LMAO SCROLL UP I JUST REALIZED WE WERE GRADUALLY TAKING LETTERS AWAY FROM OUR YEAH

[median zephyr]

y

[thin remnant]

.

[median zephyr]

but yea some things are just too strong (dolch fmj) and some are stepping on others toes and making things less unique, like ceni bleed

like it didnt need it, heavy bleed on a repeating rifle is bad, it shouldve stayed for just the springy, and some pistols

[thin remnant]

Sparks dumdum

[median zephyr]

finally, the gun people have been asking for

along with removing the aperture on the nitro, again

or an m4, or new smg

next update mark my words

#game-ideas message also to respond to the "if you downvote youre probably a part of the problem", i havent sniped since desalle came out, i just dont like the idea

[unborn dagger]

I just downvote posts like those because they're basically asking for it lol

[median zephyr]

it feels like a "rage suggestion" not to fully discredit them, but when its like "i just died to a shotgun how do i nerf it" i agree snipers arent fun, but i dislike scope glint

[unborn dagger]

I dislike it as well and just feels like a crappy idea to nerf snipers

[river zephyr]

Easy fix. Smoke bombs.

[unborn dagger]

True

I hope they add that in soon

[queen zinc]

I disagree

Not every weapon needs a niche

In fact, I like being able to enjoy the appearance/sound/animations of all weapons, without being shoe-horned into a specific playstyle

And like I said, I will never touch Buckshot in this game because its given arcade treatment, where thowing knives have more effective range

[thin remnant]

This is like giving every single weapon every variant though

Are you in support of that

[queen zinc]

And why not?

Sure

Hell, id even love to see combined variants

Springfield Marksman + Bayonet

[thin remnant]

Creativity stems from limitations

[queen zinc]

Flavor is better

Limitations in gameplay

Not in options

And its not "creative" to have limited options for X

I personally dont see the issue with the current prevalence of custom ammo

They all have counters, limitations, etc

Some weapons dont need certain things, as it would make them OP

IE, vetterli + dum dum

But GENERALLY

[thin remnant]

Sure it is, with said limited options, you have to think about what weapons you want for your specific playstyle making your playstyle more unique and you have to build a Loadout around those limitations, handling them in your own way

[queen zinc]

Especially for shotguns, who all use THE EXACT SAME AMMO

.00 Buck

IRL

And are famous for their flexibility with ammo

Shotguns should have all ammo types availablwe

Hell, Romero Flechette cause, fuck it

[thin remnant]

Your suggestion to give slate flechette specifically comes off as a bit biased

[queen zinc]

Thats like saying "having fewer options on a menu is more creative"

No

Biased how?

I simply cant stand buckshot in this game

[thin remnant]

Suggesting to give this gun in particular this particular treatment because it fits your playstyle and wants

[queen zinc]

And would love to be able to play with the Slate for its animations, visuals, and audio

I play every style?

My most played weapon is actually the vetterli

But I run Spectre, C+K, Terminus, etc

Hell, Romero is the ONE shotgun with respectable range that I can stomach buckshot on

Caldwell

[thin remnant]

You just said you refused to run buckshot and only used flechette
Stop sending messages so fast btw pls

[queen zinc]

I like variety

[thin remnant]

But why not suggest this for all weapons?

[queen zinc]

SOME weapons would become OP with certain ammo types, this is true

[thin remnant]

Suggesting one specific ammo type for one specific weapon comes across biased as you want something specifically for yourself

Why not suggest flechette for all shotguns

[queen zinc]

Hence, i dont want to have a blanket "all weapons" response

I would like to be able to use the Slate, without suffering this game's horrible representation for Buckshot

I did?

[thin remnant]

This is in the discussion not the suggestion

[queen zinc]

AFAIK slate + romero are the ONLY two without flechette

[thin remnant]

Drilling and mat carbine too

[queen zinc]

I said slate because slate is more in need of it than Romero- Romero flechette, which fine, would be more of a gimmick than lethal

Same for those two- single shot shotties

But sure, flechette for all

[thin remnant]

Would be nice for split ammo

[queen zinc]

True

[thin remnant]

I mean I see where your opinion comes from and doubt we will sway each other

The whole custom ammo debate seems a very subjective thing

Some want more creativity in variety and more options for different players, some want more creativity in limitations and more tight weapon balancing overall.

[river zephyr]

In the meantime. Slate slugs goes hard

[empty oasis]

eh kinda? Its overshadowed by spectrer in range and by the CnK in range and cycle time

[thin remnant]

It'd overshadowed by the cnk in BOTH lmao

The only competitive slug picks are cnk and maybe rival

[river zephyr]

If the complaint that the slate buckshot doesn't have good range or too much rng then slugs fixes it quick. If you just like the slate that is

[empty oasis]

The slate is in no way bad, I'm just saying that it gets overshadowed a lot

[wicked cairn]

Crash and reconnect for nothing

One of several games in which the game crashes for no reason, and on the 3/4th attempt, I may or may not enter, and if I do it's for this... Hearing ambient sound, gunshots... but not being able to move or anything

The state of the game is rubbish, between this and the infected matchmaking you are showing off

Another high level hunter (44) with over a thousand bucks in weapons dead without firing a shot, thanks for nothing

Negative review and not one more € to fix this

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3298953562

[abstract crystal]

is anyone else aware of the strange audio occlusion bug?

three times tonight, me and my mates were COMPLETELY stalked up on by crouchwalkers. zero noise or ambient things happening, just holding down the bounty, suddenly someones inside?

like i get that happens in the fray, but lookng over the recordings there WAS NO SOUND, until the player was direct line of sight visible

one example, the player is only heard the moment they become line-of-sight visible to me the player

At roughly 12 seconds, although you can hear my friend saying "to your right" which might just be me not hearing them. Only to be seen immediately after walking around the cart, and only then the footsteps are hearable

[empty oasis]

I'm not sure what you have going on with your sound setup, but the shot from the tower sounds like its directly next to you. The footsteps on the other side of the wall are there but are drowned out by the teammate talking being so loud, the burning grunt, and the regen injection

[hazy quartz]

i can hear the enemy player quite clearly as soon the tower shot fades out

the tower shot sounds oddly close tho

[river juniper]

Honestly I think the gun jam mechanic sounds great

Maybe not 5%, max out at 3

But otherwise, yeah. Sounds great. Don't clean them when returning to lobby however just let it be a hunt dollar thing adjust the price on the worth of the gun

[dusky tapir]

you can hear her running up at 0:16 / 0:17, with all the noise going on it's unlikely you'd have been able to hear her footsteps normally

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message @quiet pebble Adding that to the game would be a good way to auto balance weapons. I don't get your title though.

@queen jungle That's already cofirmed, no?

Was that it for update videos btw? I was waiting on voice chat, chat and economy updates

[queen jungle]

Has it? If so i must have missed it but i hope so.

[flat sandal]

Like 95% certain

I forget were that was, maybe the first or second video?

[queen jungle]

Sweet

[thin remnant]

!plans

[marsh garden]

Confirmed to be coming on August 15th:
Cryengine 5.11 update (DX12, FSR, DLSS, Direct Storage, HDR)
New map called Mammon's Gulch, interview about it here
Complete UI overhaul
New Event
Recruitment and prestige changes
Game design changes (trait adjustments, stalemate prevention, bullet drop)
Audio improvements
Backend improvements
Other:
Server-side improvements
Team voice chat
Fair Play Task Force
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024

[thin remnant]

its not here but theres a lot of confirmed things they havent listed here

although that may fall into "game design changes" which is so loose it may as well not be on the list and just the things in the brackets next to it

[flat sandal]

anybody here who knows if and where it was mentioned that we'll be able to cue with one friend with a random third one added?

[hot vigil]

Think it was commented a while ago they wanna add it for the 15th August update

but cannot remember where

[vital drum]

It was in one of the roadmap videos, but date was not specified

[thin remnant]

@hybrid forum what would the grave zombie do, like, stick its head out and scream really loud

[hybrid forum]

yeah

hand, head, and maybe exit the grave

[thin remnant]

Cool I like

Imo it could partially emerge and scream

Then fully emerge revealing smth horrible

Like its lower body is completely mangled forcing it to crawl on all fours with twisted limbs or smth idk

But that's all extra

On a simple level I like the idea, could be cool

[tiny pivot]

i wish uppercut had a melee variant but i also realize how op that'd be

because the uppercut is already far and away the best for pvp

[thin remnant]

Dolch is the pick right now, but maybe try the pax claw fmj or HV?

Basically a uppercut melee variant at home

[tiny pivot]

Yeah it’s just wishful thinking. Pax claw fmj is what i already run.

[hot vigil]

@hybrid forum I think a more lore friendly version would be Grunts trapped in coffins

[hybrid forum]

well, yeah

anything that comes out of the ground/coffin/place of staying dead

[quiet pebble]

Depending on how often a gun is used or not used the price could inflate by like 200 or 300%, or deflate by 33%

[unborn dagger]

@paper belfry Everyone goes after meatheads when they're done with a fight or running to extraction with a bounty(Unless being chased that is) because they know it has a chance of dropping a trait. Having it be a guaranteed drop from Rotjaw is something I agree with since it gives more incentive to go after the boss(Especially when Rotjaw has nothing else going for it other than being an optional boss and being out in the open), I just disagree with all of the other suggestions.

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message there actually is a reason to downvote this, it would slow down people who want to reshuffle again, my advice is to be careful with your clicks

#game-ideas message new sound traps is a good idea, and i like some of these ideas, however i dont like the idea for gators, as there is lore reasons there isnt and gators would have to do LOTS of dmg, and the moving sound traps would be a nightmare, however the rest of these ideas like frogs, or the snake baskets are good!

specifically the negative soundtrap one is kinda cool, i worry the sound would be annoying (imagine loud cicadas right outside the building youre in) but if done right thats kinda cool!

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message while this idea sounds cool thematically, the gameplay it would bring would be bad, bosses already dont get done, so nobody would take a harder thing after, this would only be used after the server is dead to farm, which we shouldnt be incentivising.

[junior crane]

On the other hand if Rotjaw guarantees red trait drop everyone, whole server, will always run to it and it will attract huge firefights most of the time. And after that the only survivors will easily get the main boss. IMO

[junior crane]

I like the idea. The reward should be huge though. Imagine there are so much aggressive mobs that players are forced to team up with other teams to get through.
I just like an idea of having an intense PvE mode.

[tiny pivot]

tbh wouldn't be a terrible idea to add more incentives to rotjaw tho

don't think i've intentionally gone for rotjaw since she came out

and i'm an off meta for fun type player and it's just not worth it

money isn't great, bounty is fine, gotta run out in the open and likely die, heavily resistant to everything including melee EXCEPT the two things specifically designed to get rid of her, she basically asks to be ignored

like, if im bringing a bomb lance, im probably bringing steel ball for meta or i guess, if not that, then yeah waxed frag. but at that rate thats just replacing the default ammo type because waxed frags are virtually the same outside of costing hunt dollars extra. and dont get me started on the idea of actively intending on bringing a waxed dynamite stick when any of the other varieties of dynamite exist, OR just frag bombs

[sand kiln]

You can just kill Rotjaw easily with any world spawn, slot melee or weapon attachment. Not to mention spear is a thing. Rotjaw has less HP than normal bosses, banishes faster and has the same or more value than a small bounty just by killing a Gator while moving side to side and hitting.

A world axe can destroy her really quickly, so frag wax is not even needed. Stamina might be annoying if you don't know how to fight her tho, but mostly is one hit>get stamina depleted>wait a second and the first yellow you see>charge and hit again

Rotjaw may use a little more incentive surely, but that would be giving her more risk, because it's easy af

Open fights barely happens, because no one goes for her in early game unless they are missing bars. Haven't seen people while I'm fighting Rotjaw since Tide of Shadows

Phone giving me typos + sleepy eyes, mb

[queen jungle]

I really dislike fighting Rotjaw, only ever try to take it on if I have regen shots active

[sand kiln]

I enjoy fighting her😔

[thin remnant]

@fast forge I like the idea but have some ways I think it could be improved.

To avoid server and matchmaking issues and people stopping playing cancelling the bounty etc, and also to make it funner, I would follow the game design of "put it on the grid"
Basically this philosophy means making something an interactive part of the world and not just a button in the UI.

I would make these bounties pieces of paper that spawn in the world nailed to trees and buildings that show players in your current server who have won recently or fulfill certain requirements, and when interacted with show the username of the player and from then on, killing the player will grant the hunt dollar bonus.

You could also see the player's current skin on the texture of the paper, which wouldn't be possible as an in-menu queue option, and that can be used to further identify the target.

This would also give more use to the "username has picked up the bounty" or "username has started the banishment" popup to identify your target and where you need to go.

I would make these spawn more often near clues and lairs so they don't draw people away from the objective looking for player bounties.

This could also perhaps apply to teams being the bounties, with all usernames and skins showing and requiring a team wipe to get the bonus.

[median zephyr]

i dont really, this game is focused on pvp, if there were multiple modes and we had enough players to go for it sure, but this would be nearly never done, or if it was the matches would be boring for me

[median zephyr]

she absolutely is not a hard fight by herself, however she is always worth less than another boss (unless youre solo)

[median zephyr]

the hardness of rotjaw isnt her directly, its being out in the open water with other people around, especially if theyre sniping, and people not doing her and fighting over her shows she fails to be a boss (which is meant to attract fights)

[sand kiln]

Yeah she is a wild target, not a normal boss

That's why she has less xp, banishes faster and is worth like a small bounty

Sort of a mini boss if you wanna call it like that

[median zephyr]

i know, but then where does she fit into the game? she takes up a boss spot, so she should fit a purpouse

her purpouse should not be "boss a solo does to be left alone and leave" or "boss people get after server is dead"

[junior crane]

I suggested an only-PvE mode one time, people mostly disliked.

[median zephyr]

well yea, i wouldnt mind it if we had enough people for all modes, but im a pvp player, and the game is sadly a majority pvp focus, so we cant shift normal bounty hunt into a pve mode

the day we have enough people id love if everyone gets what they want

[crystal plume]

Current pve is way too basic for an interesting pve mode experience, and you can't just make the pve more complex and difficult to deal with as a whole as it would get more in the way of pvp. Honestly the only thing that makes sense imo would be to do a separate game with the Hunt IP that focuses on pve, it doesn't feel realistic to implement in current Hunt

[median zephyr]

yes exactly, if they made like bosses a threat by themselves, and all the ai much much more threatening, i could see a same universe but different co op mode

itd need a whole seperate mode, with much different mechanics, bc frankly actually dangerous by themselves ai, in the current game would be atrocious

like imagine you have to wipe the server, and you have a 90% chance to die to butcher

[crystal plume]

I was saying that it would have to be an entirely new game, not a mode 😄

It would be weird to have a mode that changes entirely how bosses and AI behave in the same game

[median zephyr]

were both saying the same thing, just different words, bc obv itd be WAY different then the game, it cant work otherwise

and it would be, but itd also be weird to have hunt: bayou cleansers with the same bosses that behave WILDLY different

its just kinda like "same world but completely different" so itll always be a bit odd

[meager vessel]

It's okay if the game changes though. because it sucks as it is.

[median zephyr]

i disagree, i love this game

if youre looking for a pve experience, its just not the game for you

and thats ok

sure there are some frustrating parts and its not perfect, like some unfun weapons or playstyles, but no game is perfect, that doesnt mean it sucks

[obsidian narwhal]

@vernal plank they're very often posted with a slight delay on the discord

[vernal plank]

but not everything. like yesterdays grizzly compound picture

or the pc gamer vid post

[median zephyr]

#game-ideas message i know its not a priority, but its really a shame we dont even have every weapon in the shooting range, i know you can bring your own, but i dont see why we shouldnt have literally every weapon in there, and the more tools we give the players to test stuff, the better

#game-ideas message i agree some weapons should have arm shots be less rewarding, but this is too far, imagine hitting someone square in the chest with a sparks, and then shooting someone infinate times in the arms, this will lead to confusion, and arm shots dont need to become THAT much worse

[queen jungle]

i agree with this. i often see players saying they’re just bored with the game and they want to fight... then proceed to jump head first into bullets. that’s more like CoD. but i understand the unique setup and weapons, yet it’s not the game to play to get a mouthful of action 🤷

[median zephyr]

its def not a game of immediate and constant action, theres often like 5 mins of running, getting clues, and either going to noise or the boss lair, then theres bursts of action, with some of the most engaging fights ive had in any game, so if youre looking for constant action, or no pvp, this game isnt for you

[queen jungle]

exactly

[median zephyr]

i get complaining if someone is doing nothing, and i dont mean rotation, but like sitting in a concertina lair not peaking waiting for the timer to go down

[grand agate]

I for real love that you guys took inspiration from my ideas and would love to know if it is what you did because that new map has a lot of scenery that resemble my AI generated image (Lotus 898762840) The open caves, the river banks, and the rocky terrain!

@zealous citrus

[crystal plume]

Please do not tag community managers or developers that aren't currently active in the chat

[grand agate]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-ok-ok-oh-ok-oh-okay-gif-18238573721271168162

[tiny pivot]

Bro pinged a CM over an AI image of a real world location

Crazy

[thin remnant]

#game-ideas message may I ask what caused so many dislikes for this suggestion? I'm especially confused about the suggestion it is based off of having a positive like ratio, so it must be something that I changed about it

[empty oasis]

@fast forge Your post "Title: Bounty Contracts on the Squad which won their last match AND seperate VOIP Channel for randoms to even the playing field with premade trios" has been removed due to Only one idea per post. If you'd like a copy of you post so that you can resubmit, please send me a dm

Also, the second part of your suggestion "seperate VOIP Channel for randoms to even the playing field" is already slated to be added to the game https://youtu.be/sxVu-IxiiIQ?si=-Z0VJraEdL0Eh5rr&t=228

[elder sparrow]

Why would I want scope and aim down sights toghther.. I thought you'd fixed this.

[unborn dagger]

Medium weapons

[unborn dagger]

@hollow cloak It's getting nerfed to where it is a non stackable burn trait. One use and that's all they get

[modern ferry]

Please for the love of all thats holy fix the servers

[flat sandal]

#game-ideas message @fast forge That should come as well

As in, it's planned already and I can't wait. How it is now was a nice idea but it very rarely actually does anything.

To your other idea. I think it would be nice to have more complexity. Things to do and to consider in a match. Not sure if it should be teams though as it can easily change from match to match. It could be the three most wanted or something. The highest level hunters in the lobby with the most amount of bounties and or kills. Then the could just grant lots of money to the first person looting them. There should be some variation in how much money you can loot from players anyway imo.

And it shouldn't depend on how much equipment you have either. That's something that has always bothered me as it makes you act weird in game 😄

[hot vigil]

@short silo nice chart for blunt force trauma by baton to argue for bullet damage :)

[short silo]

Bla bla bla this is just for indication purpose. Next time I remove the texte from the image

[hot vigil]

Man out here spreading misinformation :V

[thin remnant]

Im not really sure I understand your suggestion, are you saying that no matter how much health someone has you can shoot them 99999 times in the shoulder and they wouldn't die?

[dusky tapir]

some other games implement a similar system where non-lethal areas basically do not allow OHKs, whereas grazes to lethal / instant kill areas are current HUNT tier headshots

but those are mainly milsims

[dusky tapir]

also no, the suggestion is to cap potential damage to avoid instantkills to anything nonlethal

there's very few instances of OHK to the limbs in HUNT and tbh they all make sense for how the game works so far

[thin remnant]

If that's what the suggestion is it's even worse than I thought xd

Hunt is no milsim and certain weapons would feel awful

[dusky tapir]

some weapons already feel inconsistent because of this

so ye

[thin remnant]

I feel not much would change and what would change would be unnecessary

Unless they mean that rifles would ohk to the spine

But I don't think they said anything abt that

And that would be even worse

[untold sparrow]

Hello guys everyone. Please tell me the problem is this: some time ago the ping on the Europe server doubled, what should I do?

[median zephyr]

if it has been consistant id try to restart your game and router, if its the servers they usually calm down in a minute or two

#game-ideas message for this suggestion i do NOT want it to be just a one shot, like a better hand crossbow, but i think itd be cool to have it be a higher dmg, (124-130) with 2 ammo types, you can even make the reload long but have it be cheaper, thatd make it at least unique, compared to the sparks pistol, hand crossbow, and lemat with slugs

[thin remnant]

Would be hard to get implement without overshadowing or being overshadowed by sparks pistol

A flintlock wouldn't better the game in any meaningful way imo, just a fun little bit of fan service

But if it were to be added I'd say special ammo (balls) with different properties like bullet drop, damage dropoff or penetration compared to sparks pistol

But still wouldn't have too much of a place imo, sparks pistol fills this role already. Single shot high power pistol.

[median zephyr]

yes exactly, this is why i suggested more custom ammos/ it being cheaper, bc thats the only nieche it could fill

unless it does something completely different like you said

imo its ok if its overshadowed, id rather it not be, but thats better then constantly making stuff better and better so all the old stuff is overshadowed instead

[thin remnant]

Good old powercreep

I disagree with price and custom ammo being used as the only main balancing points.

With ammo there's then no point to bringing the gun with base ammo over sparks base ammo, and in a way different ammo types are a different gun in themselves, so that's like having one gun overshadowing another all over again

And price has no bearing on actual gameplay and imo having something be a straight upgrade, even if harder to access, is boring
Especially seeing as sparks pistol is already pretty cheap and high level players are real rich

[median zephyr]

i agree to an extent, however im not asking for it to be busted, but priced at 690 hunt dollars, or saying make it trash and make it cheap, itd be a respectable weapon, and cheaper bc obv if its worse, but the same price itd be nothing, kinda like a vetterli

[thin remnant]

I agree a flintlock would be cheaper than a sparks pistol, definitely needs something else however

[median zephyr]

like in reality, right now, why would you ever choose a vetterli? lower pen, muzzle velocity and dmg then long ammo, lower fire rate then all the compacts, who often can have fmj too, some guns are just not as good, but its still respectable as a weapon

[thin remnant]

If it had to get added I would probably give it special ball ammo, having it shoot cartridges would make no physical sense anyway

[median zephyr]

well if theres a whole new idea for what thatd do im all up for hearing it, i just like to suggest things i have a good idea about, bc we kinda cant give every new gun a whole new mechanic

[thin remnant]

Well vetterli's competition as a bolt action are at least very highly priced, sparks pistol is already a relatively "cheap" gun

[median zephyr]

but this is balancing by price again

i agree its bad, but sometimes its all you can do, i think smth like lebel vs mosin is good price balancing, where as smth like dolch vs officer is not

[thin remnant]

Tbh I disagree with it sort of lol

With bullet drop coming up vetterli will have another use

[median zephyr]

lebel is a bit worse, and as such is a bit cheaper

possibly, we havent seen how it drops, but there is a chance

[thin remnant]

Eh, lebel has higher velocity and ammo storage, I'd say lebel has a place outside of price

[median zephyr]

the velocity makes a difference in genuinely no shots, and the ammo storage is nothing, they get same amount of rounds, but mosin gets better cycle time, and reload, only thing lebel has is marksman scope vs sniper

besides sights it just does worse, which is ok, its still a VERY respectable weapon

[thin remnant]

Lebel doesn't have more ammo than mosin?

[median zephyr]

so making it slightly cheaper makes sense, otherwise itd only be there for sight preference

no both 15

[thin remnant]

Like in the gun, not reserve

[median zephyr]

yes in the gun

but total rounds, both get 1

5

lebel holds 10, but this doesnt really matter besides like, if you fire 5 continuous shots and need the 6th

otherwise mosin uses the stripper clip and heavily outspeeds it

[thin remnant]

So lebel holds double the rounds

[median zephyr]

yes, but then in the reload, and cycle time, it just ends up being slower

[thin remnant]

Reloading is slower than cycling the bolt last I checked :>

[rotund obsidian]

mosin full reloads in <4 seconds while the lebel takes almost 20

[thin remnant]

So in theory lebel has better continuous firerate but worse burst fire with reload

[median zephyr]

it doesnt in practice

[thin remnant]

Yes but mosin reload is slower than lebel cycle

[median zephyr]

like im sure at the 6th continuous bullet sure, but thats it

[median zephyr]

yes youre comparing a cycle to a reload, id hope it would be

it somehow loses the marathon, and the sprint

[thin remnant]

Hm yes, because by the time the 7th is shot mosin would have reloaded

In practice there's a reason mosin is meta xd

[median zephyr]

and like i said, it is not a bad weapon, it just is worse than the mosin

[thin remnant]

99% of the time yeah

Anyway right flintlock pistol
#feedback-discussion message

I go now goodbye

[median zephyr]

enjoy your day!

love to hear about the ball ammo suggestion at some point, but besides a new mechanic, which i wouldnt have any ideas for, i think i still like my idea the best

[sudden drum]

@unborn sandal u were just fighting hackers,anytime u see those names just extract ill say

[unborn sandal]

doesnt matter. I shouldnt be getting matched with them in the first place

[sudden drum]

agree,hunt got a small community on 5-6 starts u will keep finding them over and over,its just an advice,or go play on South America as i do sometimes

also im 5*,and i find them every week once or twice,they lower their mmr somehow but Crytek got love for them and has let them for years cheat in their game

[queen jungle]

@sudden drum Bounty was never that rewarding. Always 1 Hunt Dollar per bounty point (including clues, boni, etc). I'd have to look it up, but I'm reasonably sure the bounty is more rewarding now than ever before with the boni given e. g. for fighting solo/duo vs trios, extracting quickly, first extraction of the day, etc.

[median zephyr]

^ this is correct, maybe there is an argument to be made of bounties when it was only solo bounties, but they're as worth as theyve ever been

[sudden drum]

welp i know rn aint no way to make 3 mill,i used to make a lot of money in wildcard

[median zephyr]

I could make 3 mil, its absolutely possible, it would take a bit though, and yes wildcard was more money, but not having a wildcard isn't a "nerf" to the bounty, its returning to normal

[sudden drum]

i disagree,unless winning every match was a thing then yeah,some good nights i make around 20k but those bad days let my account crippling financially,still my point is the same,all my buddies with a long time got money to play meta loadout till they die

[median zephyr]

Well yea, if you slowly make more money and money, you worked for that, they didn't do some secret to get there, and well never agree then, I consistently, over a long period, accrue money, you do not need to win every match, as I have a WR of about 40%

[sudden drum]

they reduce also the 3k we used to receive,now retiring hunters is worthless

[median zephyr]

I feel like you're focusing on every way money has gone down and not up, for instance the amount of money you get discounted by buying a tier 1, 2, or 3 hunter, the fact legendaries now cost 100 instead of 333, the fact you get money from first daily extracts, and that you get random amounts of money from dark tribute

I'm not able to account for every single time the money goes up and down, but were in a similar spot, slightly less, slightly more, it is not impossible to make money

[sudden drum]

the diff is meaningless,i played with different hunters to get a first daily extract and tbh the diff isnt noticeable,hunters are slighty discounted thats true but once u get some money i keep getting a hunter with a pair of dolch with scope and avto for some damm reason,i never said its impossible to make money,its harder and forcing loadouts,isnt a bad thing if everyone had to do it,if i were running mosin and dolch every match ill have a way higher kd as some of my friends but i gotta budget

[median zephyr]

20% extra hunt dollars is absolutely not meaningless, if you get out with even a full small bounty, in 2v2 you will get 180 hunt dollars, that is literally worst case scenario, with 0 hunt dollars picked up, no kill bonus on the boss, no underdog bonus, no clues etc. if you go to the other extreme of solo into trio, picking up 3 clues, not even killing the boss yourself, and extracting you can get 1,080. thats not even the max you can get, but a very simple way to do it. for recruits, obv if you dont use the gun its not worth it, but thats still a way to save money. and i play budget, solo, typically into trios, its harder yes, but loadouts are by no means forced, there is a meta, but most guns are viable. money is not as hard to get as youre making it out to be

[empty oasis]

@hushed sage Your post "Title: MMR" has been removed due to No troll/low effort ideas are allowed.

[hushed sage]

Sorry you thought this was a joke or low effort. I probably put more effort into this than Crytek did to their MMR system.

[tiny pivot]

They didn’t even kill you

LOL

[blissful jackal]

wildcard money was goated

doing boss needs to give more money

@unborn sandal #game-ideas message yeah they made way to many people six star

i dont know how many players ive fought that are so bad and then i get to lobby and they are 6 star and then have also drug their low star friends into high lobbies because one friend is 6 star

i was all for making mmr less volatile but they way they did it, is not it.

[median zephyr]

it def was, it was a lot of money, just like the sealed cash registers in desolations wake

#game-ideas message this is a thing that really should happen, my requests are 1. it cannot be done midfight, the people who downed you DESERVE that advantage of possibly body tapping you. and 2. it needs to not be a single campable location.

the best ideas ive had, is when you loot a hunter, you get a currency, idk if you should need 2 or 3, but then you can bring those somewhere, and start some sort of mini banish that you have to stay there for a bit, i just really dont want it to be done midfight or from farming the map

bc frankly, other people benefitting from another team downing you, that happened AGES ago, or extracting bc you lost bars, only leads to dissatisfaction and emptier feeling lobbies

[thin remnant]

I disagree with everyone complaining about money being too hard to get.

If you're losing money when consistently bringing expensive loadouts then the system is working as intended.

There's a reason budget weapons exist, you aren't meant to play mosin dolch every time [but people still do anyways cause they got rich asf]

[median zephyr]

^

[thin remnant]

And if you're losing money when bringing cheapish loadouts [~600 and under] then you're probably just not very good

[median zephyr]

i wouldnt say that, no need to make it personal, but it is not hard to make money

even if you bring contraband, free hunters, you can pick up clues and engage in 0 pvp and make money, slowly yes, but there is no way to lose money with this

now obv if you want more, youre gonna have to do bosses and win with the bounty, so thats harder, but youll make much more

[thin remnant]

I thought I was running too low on money before, but then I started actually using my contraband and selling my excess items, and about doubled my money in about a few days.

It's not that hard if you stop fighting the system.

As well as using more base loadouts from recruits ofc

[median zephyr]

there is reason money exists, the goal isnt so everyone has infinate hunt dollars, the economy is in a decent spot rn, yes i know some people have nothing, and some have millions, but if we nerf or buff it to help them the vast majority of middle people will be pushed

[median zephyr]

100% you gotta use the tools youre given if youre having trouble

[thin remnant]

Money is already extremely forgiving in hunt imo.

[median zephyr]

and if your FAVORITE thing is mosin siper dolch, you cant use your fav loadout every match unless you stop dying

it is, 100%

i have not seen a single economy change ive liked, like rn yes some things are very expensive, but thats bc theyre very good, but almost every gun is viable

[thin remnant]

There's only a few things that I want made cheaper

Like drilling has no reason to be so expensive

[median zephyr]

slightly cheaper maybe, but nobody is going broke bc something like drilling is only 50 more expensive then it should be

drilling is GREAT, it does so much

[thin remnant]

also uppercut can get a price drop now that its getting nerfed to the ground

[tiny pivot]

It is really not that good

And I say this as a drilling enjoyer

[median zephyr]

no its not as good as the mosin, but one slug and the choice of high MV or the bleed makes it good at any range

[thin remnant]

then make the custom ammo expensive and not the weapon.

[median zephyr]

it struggles with multiple people, bc its low ammo without reloading, but thats a fine trade

[median zephyr]

base ammo has the high MV lol

[thin remnant]

i thought you meant it had hv XD

[median zephyr]

which is honestly the better version if youre good

[thin remnant]

but i've tried drilling before its not that amazing

[median zephyr]

compared to what? its very underrated, no its not a mosin sniper, but what is

[thin remnant]

like, if you're arguing it deserves its price because it has a shotgun and a rifle, look at lecarbine. that thing is cheap asf.

sure the shotgun is less reliable but with slugs it's still pretty good

[median zephyr]

lemat carbine is nowhere near as good, way worse slugs, no fast 2 tap, doesnt have the range of the drilling

[thin remnant]

how much is drilling? like 550?

[median zephyr]

its not good bc of one single thing, its the whole sum of its parts

yea ish

[thin remnant]

it should be like 350-400 imo

without any ammo

[median zephyr]

id say were in the same ballpark, but id say like 450

[thin remnant]

by the way, can we talk about how JANKY drilling's recoil is?

thing looks like it's being shot on the moon and played back at 0.25x speed

[median zephyr]

but this is only SLIGHTLY overpriced, everyone is acting like its crazy

like nobody says katana is wildly overpriced

[thin remnant]

well i think most people probably think drilling should be ~300

but a compromise is usually best

[median zephyr]

i think the issue is most weapons in hunt are UNDERPRICED

like the officer for 96

[thin remnant]

honestly i kind of agree

[median zephyr]

that is INSANE

[thin remnant]

things like the nagant pistol and springfield are pointless if everything else is cheap too

AND more effective [in practice]

[median zephyr]

yes, but thats the thing, i think drilling is close to being fairly priced, its just in comparison, everything else looks so cheap, bc it is

[thin remnant]

I'm fine with the economy right now though

[median zephyr]

like frankly things like officer, berthier, slate, tons of stuff should be a good chunk more

so am i, but im mostly saying this to say, drilling isnt that overpriced

[thin remnant]

forgiving enough for people who want infinite mosins, but clearly some people still struggle so that's good [that sounds bad lol]

[median zephyr]

i agree, the only things that are super expensive are deservingly so (although balancing by price alone is bad) but hey, id rather that then nitro being 200 or god knows what

[empty oasis]

@paper belfry Your post "Title: We need some way to restore all our bars ingame" has been removed as it was feedback. If you'd like to leave game feedback, please do so in the #feedback channel

[paper belfry]

Sometimes a sugestion and feedback line is quite blurry, for me...

[thin remnant]

100%, i thought that was pretty suggestion-y

I think it's because you didn't actually propose an exact feature, just that there has to be one.

[paper belfry]

Might just be it

[thin remnant]

i 100% agree with it, by the way

[paper belfry]

Yeah, peacekeeper is too easy to replenish but maybe just limiting it by repleneshing only 3 small bars per match might be a good start

[thin remnant]

maybe let us banish meatheads to gain back a single health bar?

idk lol

[rotund obsidian]

3 small bars a match is still insane

[thin remnant]

if you've lost more than 1 bar, you've probably really fucked up

gaining 1 bar back should be fine

and would also give more use to big bars

[rotund obsidian]

especially if it's still just "loot a body" cause then your whole trio can just get 3 bars each off of one fight

[paper belfry]

One thing that i think it's good enough is that you can replenish any amount of bars, but they come back 99% burned and go healing over time.

[paper belfry]

Yeah but is not always that you fight only one trio

And you usually don't fight the same trio only once

[thin remnant]

this is a cool idea i kinda like it

what do you think of banishing meatheads for a bootleg restoration

[rotund obsidian]

thats what im sayin, you can all die, then you ambush one guy and quick loot him and boom whole team's back to full hp. it's just too strong

[paper belfry]

Yeah but then thats a banish, we not talking bout a banish but bout you looting a body and your hunter gets a small bar back

[paper belfry]

That is, indeed, too strong

[thin remnant]

idk about this either

it should be something that cant really be done mid-fight.

[paper belfry]

Did yall played the tide of desolation event?

[thin remnant]

nah but i heard of it

[rotund obsidian]

yeah

[paper belfry]

Oh well, i was talking assuming yall knew what peacekeeper was

[thin remnant]

i still think getting a mini-banish from meatheads might be cool

[paper belfry]

That i think it's op

[rotund obsidian]

I know what peacekeeper was, and it was absurdly broken

not even including the fact you could redskull revive

[paper belfry]

Well, actually, maybe banishing a meathead giving a small bar back doesn't seem a bad idea

[rotund obsidian]

and peacekeeper was actually desolation's wake, wasn't it? not tide of deoslation

[thin remnant]

i think just a bar in general

[paper belfry]

Yeah redskull revive is quite bad

[thin remnant]

so if you have a big bar at the end you get that back too

big bars are a bit underpowered atm anyways

[paper belfry]

After august 15th they gon be op for solos

[rotund obsidian]

I think the best solution to buff big bars is to make them only cost one upgrade point (and factor this into the minimum points you get so rolling bigs isnt just a worse hunter)

[thin remnant]

well solos just wont have a reason not to use them

[paper belfry]

Yeah, but is quite game changer

[thin remnant]

i didnt like this idea at first but after thinking about it i like it

as a direct buff

[paper belfry]

Its, lets say, relaxing

[rotund obsidian]

so u can roll all smalls like most people do, or you can take bigs to get more points for traits

hell i'd probably still run all smalls tbh but like, it'd be cool

[thin remnant]

i personally run bsbs

[timber oracle]

Asia server down?

[thin remnant]

why are you asking that in https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/367785159933689857 xd

[turbid pecan]

wtf hunt?

Did they update their MMR system or just throw it in the waste? 😄

[unborn sandal]

the latter

to combat deranking we're gonna make everyone want to derank

[flat sandal]

what's the issue? looks fine to me^^

for real though. just stop looking at it or don't get upset. this is going to happen, there is nothing that you can do about it in low pop regions or at low pop times. those guys were probably waiting for a long time.

move on, stop posting this stuff. you are making things worse

[remote ore]

when I win it's because I'm good, when I lose it's because of MMR

[wary osprey]

what is this? (cross)

[hot vigil]

The area ain't greyed out by pick up the clue, but bc you picked it up in Blanchett, the cross indicate the boss cannot be there :)

[dusky tapir]

boss is not in that compound, but that area has not been cut out yet. Means you could still get visited by other players

[chrome oyster]

the boss can't be there but you might still be able to pick up a clue is what that actually means

[unborn sandal]

I don’t know why it’s so difficult for you all to admit there’s a problem but there’s a big problem. Just because it doesn’t affect you whether it be because of your region or your mmr, it is affecting tons of people and needs to be addressed. Also this isn’t just on low pop servers during dead times. I’ve been getting wildly unfair matchmaking at 5:00 on na east. These channels are for people to voice their problems, so don’t get butthurt when people use it for that

Radio silence and/or ignorance of the problem by crytek is only going to make people want to derank which isn’t good for anyone

[flat sandal]

do you really think they don't know that there are some people complaining about this here?

I'm just pointing out that there is a very simple reality behind it that you can't change. Do you disagree with that?

Do you think some rando on the internet knows better then a team of professional developers?

How do you propose a team of 6* should find a match?

those are not rhetorical questions, I'm waiting

[unborn sandal]

Whether or not they know should be officially addressed in my opinion

[flat sandal]

how often?

[unborn sandal]

I can’t change the mmr but I can derank which is not good for anyone so I would prefer crytek do something

[flat sandal]

I'm sorry dude but all the freaking time ppl post these things here.

cause they angry too

[unborn sandal]

I think many of the decisions that crytek has made in the past year are very poorly thought out and/or play tested. I’m not claiming to have all the answers but I’ll bet you there are people out there with actual solutions for the problems crytek has created

[flat sandal]

well you can be sure it ain't easy to do it. there are a lot of things to consider that we don't even know about

[unborn sandal]

I team of full 6 stars should be matched with other full 6 stars or maybe one 5 star in there. If they actually did increase the 6 star population this shouldn’t be that hard. In the case where it’s one 6 star and a few lower stars matchmaking should either try to find similar team comps or a team with the same average mmr as it used to do. It’s probably not a perfect solution but it’s the best I can think of

[flat sandal]

how do you increase the 6* population?

it's skill, you can't jsut make it

[unborn sandal]

I think if they officially said that they are working on fixing the matchmaking that would assuage a lot of people’s concerns. As far as I’m aware they haven’t chosen to say anything about it

[unborn sandal]

They said they increased it tenfold

[flat sandal]

but nothing about ppls actual skill has changed

should they address every silly thought ppl have about this?

[unborn sandal]

“Star brackets have also been refactored, resulting in a significant change: the 6-star population has increased from 0.2% to closer to 2% of the player base.”

If that’s the case why are 6 stars in lower mmr lobbies far more than ever before

They should have plenty of other 6 stars to match with

[patent barn]

It's not just 6*s though tbf. I'm a 2* and regularly being matched with whole lobbies of 4* and 5*, even at peak times

[flat sandal]

but do we really think it's because they are to incompetent to change that?

[patent barn]

Chosen not to I think is the more accurate term

[flat sandal]

they literelly just did change it

[patent barn]

I'm holding out for a refactor when hunt 2 comes out in a couple of weeks that may make it more balanced

[patent barn]

I was in balanced lobbies until they changed it

[flat sandal]

ppll complained about it then as well

after they changed they complained about cue times

[patent barn]

It will take tuning, it's just been a bit too tuned the wrong way with the last update

In the last week, I "won" 2 out of 29 games. In the week prior to the mmr rework a few weeks ago, I "won" 7 out of 31 games

[unborn sandal]

I’ve never had more unfair matches in my 3 years on hunt than post the mmr “fix”

[flat sandal]

but it's very simple. you have long waiting times or "unfair" matches

[unborn sandal]

Not before

Before wait times were fine and matchmaking was good enough imo

[flat sandal]

that's subjective