feedback-discussion

[unborn smelt]

Obviously it's a rather low popularity thing to add - but i very much think one could find a niche for it

[humble quest]

That's not a new weakness and is already why knives are a minority of melees used

[unborn smelt]

I'm not sure i'd call knives a minority

Lot's of peeps like it for PvP and because it deals so well with anything thats not an immolator

[unborn smelt]

Also i never claimed it's a "new weakness" to beginn with...

If one would try to make it better vs high HP AI, like bosses or meatheads (becaise those don't die in pne hit to beginn with) it'd be absolutely fair to have some extra downsides over their "regular dmg" counterparts

[humble quest]

I simply don't believe they are able to differentiate it in a way that makes it useful, but also not an objectively better thing. If they slap poison on a knife, it's still just a better knife even if it takes 2 hits on a hive now (basically no reason it would because you're still meleeing and can kill them with a poison shot to the head)

[unborn smelt]

That could be less usegul against certain AI, more harsh stamina economy or less accessibility due to for example being a medium slot.

[unborn smelt]

They don't have to slap poison onto existing weapons

They could make fire andd poison new weapons, like the bonesaw and torch held by grunts

As shown in the pic

Would give em lots of wiggle room for balancing

Still - not believing crytek can do it in a meaningful way is a fair thing to critizise

[radiant river]

Poison melee would just be meta

If it works at all how poison ammo does

Torch melee would be cool though

[vital fractal]

I’m still asking for them to make damage adjustments based on barrel for the Winfield musket and Scottfield brawler/spitfire

Like most other guns have it, why don’t they

[radiant river]

Like what

[hot vigil]

Shorter barrel, less damage.

[hot vigil]

Also classic long ammo, that the Mosin Obrez doesn't get a damage reduction

But then again, spring doesn't either so what do I know

[vital fractal]

Match, Cyclone, all the Shorty rifles, etc

Mosin Obrez does have a damage reduction

[unborn smelt]

Outdated

Thats all there is to it i think

[vital fractal]

It’s by a little bit, but it has it like all the other shorty rifles + major stability issues which is fine

[hot vigil]

?

[unborn smelt]

The guns that don't have reduction are outdated

Some got updated when they added the logic - the rest got mostly left behind

[vital fractal]

But the Winfield musket doesn’t despite having the longest barrel of all winfields and the Scott field brawler/spitfire are basically base pistols with more hipfire inaccuracy- when it should be

Musket - More damage + accuracy/less sway

Scott field shorts - less damage + more sway/inaccuracy

[hot vigil]

Ah yeah, but that returns to Grogs statement that there needs to be a follow up done to it.

[unborn smelt]

Yeah, maybe

But they aren't popular to beginn with as far as i can tell so not sure if nerfing them is a good idea

[hot vigil]

Dunno if musket should have less sway, it is a longer gun and have metal stabby at the end, that adds weight to it in a unfavourable way.

[vital fractal]

I don’t think it’s a maybe, I think it’s a should

Why apply the principle to some guns but not all

[vital fractal]

Follows the trend, maybe people will pick it now

[unborn smelt]

Similarly, the big winnie has more precision and more ammo and a bayonet, not sure if it should have more dmg too

[vital fractal]

Spitfire is too prevalent, would be good

Brawler needs to be buffed to spitfire levels

[hot vigil]

Think tighter spread is fine, just not sway.

[unborn smelt]

Especially when the barrel doesn't put it in another weapon slot category

[vital fractal]

I’m talking in line with other weapons so like 3+ not a whole category above

Maybe 4+

Same for Scott field

Maybe 4- or 5-

But that rate of fire means it’ll be still a major killer vs normal

The stability changes would make sense too

[hot vigil]

If the weapons should get nerfed or the other buffed, doesn't matter, just as long it is equal for all weapons.

[vital fractal]

I mean, I don’t see how this could harm the game really- it’s just being fair

And consistent

And it’s easy to implement

So win win

[hot vigil]

Wouldn't mind if none of the short stock weapons didn't get a damage reduction.
The sway and hipfire is bad enough downside.

[vital fractal]

Nah, it matches

They are fine where they are

Except drilling hatchet

It has base rifle sway essentially

[unborn smelt]

It matching the logic doesn't make it good balance

[vital fractal]

It makes it fair and consistent

Why give some weapons a leg up for no reason?

[unborn smelt]

In my games short winnies are basicallly nonexistwnt to beginn with

[next yarrow]

Drilling Hatchet has less sway because Romero Hatchet has less sway. Romero Hatchet has less sway because the stock is longer, but Drilling hatchet has no stock

[unborn smelt]

Not sure if nerfing that even a bit is a good idea

[vital fractal]

Because uppercut exists lol

[next yarrow]

Doesn't make sense

[hot vigil]

Yeah, so why would it hurt to remove the damage penalty they have?

[vital fractal]

It already is

Winfield shorty is fine as is

[unborn smelt]

Because balance over logic imo

[next yarrow]

Buffing the 2 slot rifles to having around drilling hatchet sway with no attachments and more recoil would make sense to me

[vital fractal]

But it would be balanced, as it sits there’s no downside to a spitfire in 90% of situations

And no one chooses the musket at all

Patre is funny but like- that’s it

[unborn smelt]

In this one case - yeah - to a degree

[vital fractal]

Yeah a degree of 90% lol

[unborn smelt]

Spitfire is bad with fanning

[next yarrow]

The main issue with musket is the huge reduction in levering fire rate it gets for no reason at all

[unborn smelt]

And fanning is an incredibly popular perk

[vital fractal]

You don’t run spitfire with fanning though

[hot vigil]

Also Obrez doesn't get a damage reduction while the Vandal and Shorty does? That is also silly.

[vital fractal]

Obrez has one, of 3-

Like it should

The rifles all follow the same drop off too

[hot vigil]

Oh really, might look at some outdated data then not on my PC:)

[vital fractal]

Yeah 133 vs 136 I believe

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i though most of em have reduced dmg - theres just some that don't

Sparks pistol for example

[vital fractal]

Sparks is unique due to drop off change

[next yarrow]

Obrez specifically got tuned to be inline with the others at some point. I don't think Springfield Compact did since nobody remembered it exists

[hot vigil]

Oka, just recalled the obrez didn't get it, but most other compacts did

[vital fractal]

In that case I agree with it, for balancing reasons because it’s such a unique position for a pistol- but the logic still stands in a way- the drop off is DRAMATICALLY worse

[next yarrow]

Another weird inconsistency in design is that the pistols released after Early access take significantly longer to pull out than the original pistols

[vital fractal]

True

[next yarrow]

It's quicker to pull out a dolch than a base Scottfield lol

Would be a good thing to adjust for the dolch and uppercut honestly

[vital fractal]

Yeah upper cut = big = slow pull out

Dolch = big = slow pull out

Nagant = small = fast

[hot vigil]

Which is funny, bc I've always wanted a "gun handling" stat in Hunt, so a gun like the Uppercut is slower to pull out than a Nagant.

[unborn smelt]

Doubt they'll do that

They specifically scrapped that in EA

[next yarrow]

Well of course they'll never nerf the uppercut at all

It just wouldn't do

[vital fractal]

L

Yeah they won’t touch the uppercut

Why ruin the best medium rifle in the game

[next yarrow]

At least make it consistent across guns though

[unborn smelt]

It's not just the uppercut

[next yarrow]

There's no reason that the base Scottfield needs this as a balancing option

[unborn smelt]

In early access compact weapons across the board drew faster than medium which were still faster than long ammo

Was really cool IMO

[next yarrow]

I agree

[unborn smelt]

Even had diffrent animations

[next yarrow]

Either use it as a balancing option or make it consistent imo

[unborn smelt]

Where long ammo rifles were kinda "slung on the back" or revolvers twirled out of the holster

[hot vigil]

Also wish they removed reworked Stam-Shots (and antidote to a degree). Rn it is just too "free" and gives insane value in both sprinting and melee.

[unborn smelt]

I think thats just a matger of preferance tbh

Stamshots are great, but the duration is kinda low and they are a bit expensive

[hot vigil]

Being able to not think about stamina for a whole match is really strong.

[unborn smelt]

And most importantly they compete with the same slots as vit shots and frags

[hot vigil]

And only $200.

[unborn smelt]

Big one is what - 10 min ?

[hot vigil]

Two Stam, Two Vit, pack mule and 1 loot.

[next yarrow]

Why are weak shots still in the game?

[unborn smelt]

Yeah so you sacrifice consumable consistency and 400$

[hot vigil]

Most rounds is concluded in 20 min usually. Also you can be conservative and pop them when you find your first tool box.

[unborn smelt]

Sure you can - i personally still think two frags for a fraction of the price are far more value

[hot vigil]

400? And eh, you get two rolls and the worst you can get is a Chaos bomb.
Otherwise you just find another box and roll again.

[hot vigil]

Frags is as expensive as stams

[unborn smelt]

Yes bit that requires decent RNG, potentially multiple toolboxes, and the price of almost a mosin every round in consumables

[hot vigil]

Where you getting that price?!??!

[unborn smelt]

Are they - i keep forgetting they increased the price

Because i refuse to use some stuff on principle

Frags are on that list for example

Still think frags are more value tho

[hot vigil]

You get two Stam shots for 200, then you loot and if lucky, you get two frags, but even if you only get one frag, you can make sticky, bees, firebombs and dynamite sticks/bundles work. It is legit only antidote and chaos bombs that are bad pulls.

And antidote is still somewhat useful.

[unborn smelt]

Stickies are also kinda bad.

And i can still get those if i started with two guaranteed frags

[hot vigil]

They can area deny or burst down a boss. Otherwise you have big watch towers that gives a good chance of throwables.

Or all the marked pick up points.

With tool boxes.

[unborn smelt]

They can burst down a boss if you get the right one, and that foes require the boss not be dead already

[hot vigil]

Dunno, it's ofc not 100% frag all the time, but running stim and packmule a lot I can confirm you get a lot of frags.

[unborn smelt]

They are garbage area denial too

Liking the stims is not wtong at all

[hot vigil]

Sure not the best, but they have the utility.

[unborn smelt]

They are good

But i'd rather have the best wxplosive more often for PvP as thats more dangerous to me than dealing with some AI

[hot vigil]

Just saying that it is very little downside to run double stams bc you just gain throwables back very easy.
Sure you ain't 100% gonna get frag, but even a 75% is good odds.

[unborn smelt]

Yeah its not much of a downside - but the upside is also mostly QoL

Sure infinite melee stamina is amazing QoL - but it's not crazy powerful

[hot vigil]

You outrun any non-stam shot user.

You remove the whole stamina aspect of the game

[unborn smelt]

The increased movement is stronger - but in the vast majority of games i play it's not important at all either

[hot vigil]

For me the issue is mostly it a very boring tool that just feel like doing taxes to opt out to deal with a whole aspect of Hunt

[unborn smelt]

Yeah thats smth i can agree with

However the big question to me is, is it worth to make people interact with the system if they like it or not

[hot vigil]

And honestly feel we got a slight tweak the stamina system it would be fine.
Simply just don't stop stamina regen if you sprint/jump, just slow it down.

[unborn smelt]

The way i'd go about that is with a new status effect

IMO people running stams is fine

[hot vigil]

Ofc you still need not to sprint/jump/attack for a while to make it start regen.

[unborn smelt]

But one could make the rotjaw stuff it's own status effect

Would need tweaks ofc

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, stam shots also breaks bosses

[unborn smelt]

But maybe that could be used to temporariöy stop a stamshot

[unborn smelt]

Lots of things break bosses

[hot vigil]

Just think stam shots should be like regen shots, you just regen stamina constantly.
But if keep swinging, you'll run out.

Or if you sprint you'll take longer to reach the exhausted state.

[unborn smelt]

Being able to melee bosses fast is a great alternative to the big bundle OHK or sticky, or fire ammo vs spider / poison vs the rest

[unborn smelt]

Thats smth i'd disagree with

[hot vigil]

Sure but negating rotjaw first phase and stunlocking the assassin it a tad too much.

[unborn smelt]

Some melee weapons really need the stamina to be somewhat viable

However during movement i'd agree with the stamina running out

[unborn smelt]

I don't think so

With all the other stuff wehave to obliterate bosses it's entirely fine by me

[hot vigil]

I mean if it constant regen it would just mean when you hit zero stamina you need to wait for one tick.

[unborn smelt]

Well then it'd do nothing

It'd still be functionally full stamina

[hot vigil]

I guess yeah, except for one tick haha

Dunno, just trying to make it work without removing it all together. Bc I don't think Hunt should have so passive additions

[unborn smelt]

I get the frustration with it

[hot vigil]

Like antidote shots would be better if they didn't made complete immunity off the bat, but you had to use it when you got poisoned, but it would do a rapid healing effect until full hp and apply a poison immunity effect.

Just to make it a reactive tool

[unborn smelt]

I doubt that - because the only thing that makes poison kinda viable in my eyes is the option for it to be a onesided effect

[hot vigil]

Ofc that would poison traps haha

[unborn smelt]

I mean it'd ofc help poisonntraps do their thing - but the bomb would still be straight garbage

And posison ammo types are already fine against antidote

[hot vigil]

Bomb is just bad in general

[unborn smelt]

Now that they don't have the dmg reduction anymore

[hot vigil]

Mhm

[unborn smelt]

Yes and no...

In theory it has a decent place.

[hot vigil]

Dunno, once again like the stamshot, just want it to be an active factor of Hunt.

[vital fractal]

Well

Anything good in theory, but not in practice- is not good

[unborn smelt]

Concertina is great because it adds a physical barrier for area denial.

Fire is super dangerous due to hp loss and has dual purpose for burning downed hunters

Poison could be good, if it'd be one sided, as in you can be very sure you can pass just fine but the enemy can't

This require the option for immunity

[vital fractal]

Antidote shot but again that’s too much investment

[unborn smelt]

But if the immunity is so easy to achieve it again devalues it

[vital fractal]

Yeah, which is why I think poison should do 1 hp/s damage but no poison when immune

[unborn smelt]

as your enemies will often also nott be effected

[vital fractal]

So if someone is revived under poison, they’ll probably die BUT it’s not too much to run through with shot

[unborn smelt]

But then why not use fire or concertina to beginn with ?

[vital fractal]

So if necro they don’t know

[unborn smelt]

They won't

Resilience is a thing, you can choke away clouds of poison, or just tank it at 1 hp/sec dmg

[radiant river]

Do that many people run antidote

[unborn smelt]

Thats 50 sec staying in it until a fresh revoved dude dies

[unborn smelt]

Depends on current meta

During the last event - yeah tonns did

But the core issue is you don't need to have brought it

You can loot it entirely randomly

Because it's in hunters and toolboxes lootpool

Plus edgecases like magpie - which can also be randomly looted mid game

[unborn smelt]

The poison bomb also makes sound tho

[vital fractal]

If necro, you’d be surprised how little that matters at times

[unborn smelt]

And 1 dmg/sec is not enough to down a fresh revive at 50 hp

[vital fractal]

Fresh revive is not 50

It’s like 10-20?

[unborn smelt]

Tru - still 10 sec to get out of the cloud tho

Whoch is plenty of time

[vital fractal]

Fair I guess

[unborn smelt]

And well resilience is a thing

[vital fractal]

Resilience is fine

[unborn smelt]

I wish poison was better

[vital fractal]

Should make it safe to get out of non surveillance rezzes

And yeah, but like only poison bomb

Not actual poison effect

[unborn smelt]

But with it dealing no dmg its inherently so much worse than bleed or fire

Maybe removing poison resistance is fine if they rework poison to not be area denial to beginn with...

[vital fractal]

Enh, the dropping of heals is pretty strong imo

Maybe they could make it last longer? Or even reduce heals after a bit too

So it lasts as long as it does now, Then another 0.5 of duration where the heals are halted

Halved

But only on severe from bullets are really getting hit by spider

Or*

[unborn smelt]

Stopping heals is kinda strong - but fire also does that to a degree

[vital fractal]

To a degree

[unborn smelt]

IMO to a far more potent degree

[vital fractal]

Enh,

If you are set on fire

You’re supposed to use med kit anyways

It’s faster

[unborn smelt]

I'd pretty mich always take being poisoned over being on fire

[vital fractal]

Well that’s due to fire hp loss

[unborn smelt]

Not just that

[vital fractal]

And the need to stop it

[unborn smelt]

Fire forces a reaction

[vital fractal]

Poison is weaker

[unborn smelt]

Thats the main reason IMO

[vital fractal]

Yes but still

Maybe poison need vomit action

Throw it up, Feel better

E

X

Fuck

Z

[unborn smelt]

Poison blocking heals would be plenty strong if antidote wouldn't cause immunity

Still not nearly as good as fire or bleed - but far better

But poison bomb and poison bolts would still be trash for their intended use of area denial

[signal mural]

There are too many hard counters to poison. That choke bomb kills poison clouds is really too much IMO.

[vital fractal]

Maybe poison also acts as goop, slows people going through it always

[unborn smelt]

The bomb could be reworked to be an impact nade like a less obstructive flash

[vital fractal]

Recolor the Shadowleap pool green

Boom

Goop

[unborn smelt]

Like explodes on impact and applies the distorted vision and hearing but not blinding like a flash

Maybe even add a slow or stamina drain effect to poison ?

Then antidote as a reactive cure would be good

[signal mural]

Poison should give intermittent "bullet-punch" like chokes do....

[unborn smelt]

And mithridatist could remove the slow effect and instead of no healing, people would receive half healing instead

[unborn smelt]

That would also be a good debuff

[vital fractal]

Good mith buff

Half heals

[signal mural]

I'm fine with antidote shots as they are but being shot or walking through a poison cloud should drain the timer.

Or antidote should work like a weak Mithradist

Or they both allow poison to be applied but not to deal damage and when used together grant immunity.

[vital fractal]

IJUST FUCKING DID 146 DAMAGE TO HUNTER AT 1m WITH SLUG

FUCK

YOU CRYTEK

I don’t care what ammo it is, if you are within 3m of a shotgun blast- and all of it hits torso/arm- you should be dead

146 damage

Fuck you

Anyone who believes slugs to be overpowered, Exhibit fucking A

Right here

They’re not.

[brazen wave]

Aim better

[vital fractal]

Tried, keep trying- doesn’t remove the frustration of the process

[brazen wave]

Arm shots not killing, even that close, is pretty understandable

If it’s within 1 meter do a quick melee follow up if you hit the arm

[vital fractal]

I mean, not really- but like still

Hard to do when you’re dead

[brazen wave]

Do it before you’re dead

[vital fractal]

But skill issue ig

I’ll stop shooting arms

Just shoot head

At 346m with sparks

Every time

Don’t worry, crytek- still, applicable to any employee reading this

👁️👁️

That’s my message

[brazen wave]

there’s frustration to missing a one shot at that close but it’s really fully on the player tbh

[vital fractal]

Enh, slugs should one tap at that range tbh

3m isn’t a lot

But whatever they have the game

It happens

[brazen wave]

They do one tap at that range just not on arms like that

Just need to have good close range aim

[subtle lichen]

Or just join the buckshot crew

[vital fractal]

Buckshot on handcannons is garbage

Also why do I have tier 1 hunter options?

I’m rich

[brazen wave]

How many hunt dollars?

[vital fractal]

Enough

[brazen wave]

That doesn’t tell me anything

But iirc I think only free hunters get locked out when you have high enough hunt dollars

[vital fractal]

6*, 4*, 3* all in the same match

Bruh moment

[royal cosmos]

Ya know.. I have spent an awful lot of money on skins for hunters.
But at the moment they seem fairly pointless next too the random hunters you get due to their excess of skill points.
Are you guys going to be addressing this..
Feels like my legendary skin hunters keep going up against low level super soldiers in comparrison.

[queen jungle]

@orchid trench Your post in #game-ideas was removed due to not being a new feature suggestion and quite frankly low effort. Better suited for #feedback, though the low effort part still applies.

[orchid trench]

i realized that

[rotund obsidian]

@ruby laurel #game-ideas message just to be clear, incendiary rounds do NOT ignite bodies (dragonsbreath does, however) but yeah your point still stands

[vital fractal]

You the game is fucked when everyone ignores the bounties and just goes to gunfire

Like what’s the point

It’s 10 minutes left, no one knows where any of the bounties are

You still have to kill 2 more teams

What a waste of a game

[frigid folio]

@rose kestrel Im not sure if anyone has replied to your msg, but there is a toggle for ADSing atm (just wanted to let you know to help with the carpal 🙂 ) but I definitely think your timer idea on the toggle is a really good idea 🤔

Could even add it as a third setting called "Timed toggle" or something to not throw off the people who like toggle the way it is now

[small knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qXot_R2mSg

Good video and from the what I have seen on this forum a big part of the comunity share these views.

[small knoll]

In this video he points this out very well.

[royal cosmos]

Yeah.. ive seen it.

[dusky tapir]

@calm sinew #game-ideas message
I mean, why not incorporate special attacks for the 2slotters as part of Martialist? make them more desiderable with the perk

Though what the attacks could entail I don't know

[calm sinew]

i was thinking about it more and the hammer could use a block button (right click) to defend against other melee. but now we're playing maurdhau lol..

[queen jungle]

A lot of assumptions in the video that aren't based on any evidence, such as player numbers (of course a majority of his own bubble agrees with him while a the few who disagree get ridiculed). And some points, such as the weather, have been clarified by the devs in the past, but he doesn't seem to be aware ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh well

@opaque glen Your post was removed from #game-ideas as it better fits #feedback
Also, it should have a detailed description and possibly ideas on how to change things to improve them.

@thick flax Your post in #feedback was removed for violating the low effort rule.

[remote ore]

what was clarified by devs regarding the weather? curious about it

[small knoll]

I also don't agree with everything he said, but he made some good points, especially on recruitment of hunters. Legendary hunters suck at this point compared to tier2/3 hunters you can buy in recruitment. I still only play legendary as i bought the skins and love the look but it does put you at a disadvantage trait wise. Also the burning of bodies, it is BBBAAAAAADDDD!! Cant play solo anymore and taking necro has no point as you get instaburn as it is referred to. Weather, well it is what it is, bad weather does advantage certain loadouts as does good weather, on this topic I am like "you get what you get and you dont get upset". Maybe leave a few more centenials lying around if it is a bad weather map. I dont know

[signal mural]

PsychoGhost is pretty traumatized from the last event. But honestly rightly so...

[frozen berry]

Hey frustrated player here to let of some steam/criticism: Since the last update and the changes to the economy the only thing I see is meta-loadouts (Mosin,Shotguns with slugs etc.). I even get dodged in rnd 3s when I bring a Winfield to get my weekly challenges done. It feels even worse then before to complete them because I am putting myself at a now massive disadvantage to everyone else and their mothers who seem to have a factory of mosins with spitzer ammo lined up for every match. As a casual Hunt has become much worse then before at least that is how I feel.

[vital fractal]

The video psycho posted isn’t really crazy imo, I don’t agree with everything he said but it’s pretty rational

At least the positions taken

I can safely say these positions displayed in the video are at least a very common portion in this discord

[signal mural]

Yeah, I think he makes a lot of valid points.

[vital fractal]

The recruitment hunters being over tuned for the price + the burning I agree with the most-

As a side note, the flare weapons being used to burn bodies I believe is a side effect of them having no reason use otherwise- considering how light nighttime is, and how additional lighting in many, many circumstances is not that helpful (or is too short to be helpful)

The lamp is also exceptionally hindered by the fact that your player hunter can block the light to where it’s not useful at all to you

So- I feel that flares and lighting tools in general are tools that are in search of a use-

[hot vigil]

Let us ignite hunter by pointing our lamp at them for a very looooong time :V

[vital fractal]

Genuinely if our hunter didn’t block the lamp, and night was actually dark- it might become night meta

It’s genuinely good in super dark cqc fights but- you rarely get that

[teal parcel]

The video is very mild

[next yarrow]

I wouldn't want them to revert the flare gun change directly but would be fine with salveskin making it take 2 flares to start burning. I'd say add another choke, but they're already pretty good at area denial and can slow down fights.

Flares getting the resupply buff and the burn buff at about the same time was kind of wild

[radiant river]

Different burn speeds would be cool

[pale gorge]

#game-ideas message

I loooove this idea. The electric lamp has basically been derelict to me for a long time. Night maps are plenty bright to see without them, and the blinding effect isn't negligible but isn't worth a tool slot for me. With this change I would love to see night maps be darkened!!

[late quartz]

Different burn speeds subvert gamesense and don't really address the problem people are having. Burning creates pressure, the severity of that pressure does matter but only sort of. There's a big middle ground where it's not really that relevant how fast somebody's burning, rather the fact that their team has to make headway in order to stop it.

Unless the burn is so slow that there isn't enough pressure to encourage the team to make plays, it wont make a meaningful difference, and at that point the entire reason for burning is gone

[analog willow]

@dense venture #game-ideas message Love it!

[late quartz]

The problem isn't generally that once you go down you lose too many chunks to being instaburnt, moreso that it puts teammates in uncomfortable situations where they're likely to snowball and lose since the other team has a positional advantage.

In my experience most burns are put out almost immediately, whether it's by me or the enemy team. Requiring more flares or whatever doesn't really change very much since choke bombs last so long, if a fight is dragging out long enough to choke somebody twice and still have them set ablaze a third time I'm uhhhh... in favor of the team with a downed player being forced to make some sort of move.

The point of burning is ultimately to discourage passivity after a teammate has been killed, and if a team drains you of your chokes and you're still not making any progress I think it's fair enough that your teammate gets set on fire again.
It makes perfect sense that you get more flares than chokes, the game should lean towards downed players being burned, the utility economy should reflect that.

[rose kestrel]

Aye, I do use toggle ADS, but sometimes you don't always want the toggle in a fast-paced fight. Could even make it just a separate button also. Ty for the reply sir.

[radiant river]

There's definitely a middle ground. And also once the event is over and remedy is gone, being down bars from flare gun becomes infinitely more annoying

[late quartz]

It seems sort of unlikely that we're ever going to be in a state where we don't have increased access to regen at this point

For the last what, 7 or 8 months basically we've had nearly constant events with regen traits?

What exactly is the middle ground? It doesn't seem like people are upset that they get knocked down and then picked up at 75hp every time they get burned

People just complain about "instaburning" because, as far as I can tell, they find it annoying to be on fire or have their teammates be on fire

Not that it actually ends up taking too much HP

Also... Hunt gives you way way more second chances and retries than most similar games. In Tarkov you get killed and you're just deleted, in most BR's once you're knocked you can be fully killed in a matter of seconds without teammate pressure, the fact that in Hunt you have to sit around waiting for your teammates corpse to cook in order for them to actually lose their extra lives is extremely fucking generous.

Not saying Hunt is exactly like these other games, it obviously isn't, there are innumerable differences between Hunt and most shooters.
The fact remains tho that your ability to die and stand back up is pretty high by default.

[vital fractal]

I find it sucky that even after a decent fight of downing a few guys and then dying, I can know that they can loot me and 99% each time they’ll get a remedy and be just fine

[tiny pivot]

I believe they've confirmed somewhere that Martialist will get more eventually

I'm not 100% sure if it was actually in writing or an assumed-via-ommission type of thing, but I do believe it was mentioned somewhere

And also if they only kept it as a trait for the Katana that would continue to leave most medium slot weapons useless :B

[unborn dagger]

I just dont like that melee weapons need to rely on a trait to not be considered useless

[pale gorge]

#game-ideas message
@alpine gust
Left or right click during the reload animation will end the reload after reloading your current selection.

[tiny pivot]

#game-ideas message

On one hand this is not fortnite I loved the flood seasons. On the other, the idea of them adjusting water level and flooding some of the parts of the map would be neat, def give a bigger reason for perks like mariner and gator legs to exist more so than they already do

[queen jungle]

@wary linden @surreal meteor Please add more detailed descriptions to your suggestions to explain to others what exactly it is you want to see added to the game and why they should support your ideas.

[vocal ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqRX1NKIv7g what it this flickering i have massiv problem wiht how can fix that? is that hunt bug?

[rose kestrel]

If your resolution scale isn't 100% it might be that, or you might try turning off anti-aliasing?

[vocal ember]

scale 100 aa off

[rose kestrel]

I'm not too sure then. I can send a pic of my settings if that helps

[vocal ember]

ok

[vocal ember]

send nvidia setting to

[rose kestrel]

there you go bud. might be worth posting the problem in 'toubleshooting' if this doesn't help

[unborn gyro]

Start with turning effect quality off and trying htat. Many users have reproted turning EFFECT QUALITY in graphic settings to OFF greatly reduced flicker.

I had major flickering awhile back -- it was due to monitor being set to backlight strobe and not being able to pair up with the refresh rate. Make sure if you have backlight strobe (gaming super refresh rate shenanigans) that you can actually hit your target frame-rates. Game is not optimized and uses CPU even if GPU is available. It was not like this at launch .. something about a year in sent performance sideways.

[hot vigil]

@hidden smelt your feedback legit have me boogled, bc arm hits can deal a fair amount of damage depending on ammo and range

[queen jungle]

@abstract mauve Your post in #game-ideas was deleted since troll posts violate the channel-specific rules.

[abstract mauve]

It was no troll post. There are few other games which already did the same.

We may reach more stable servers for example with this.

[vital fractal]

@hidden smelt slugs only ohk to upper chest/head…

[hidden smelt]

I know, but in a game where slugs kill you at 15 meters range, an armshot with fmj point blank shouldn't do just shit for damage.

[junior sky]

si alguien tiene poder para hacerselo llegar a crytek que lo haga

[hidden smelt]

Point blank Dolch with FMJ doing 60 damage is NOT a fair amount of damage.

[hot vigil]

It is fastest firing gun in the game (bar Avto), feel like that is fair it """only"""" deal 60 damage to arms.

[steel comet]

#customer-support and report the video to YouTube if it's reportable. I'll remove the video since videos showcasing cheats is not allowed.

[vital fractal]

I understand, I’m just saying- arm shots with every gun kinda sucks except nitro normal- and that’s only with in 16m

[steel comet]

There's plenty of weapons that lets you double tap to arms.

[rotund obsidian]

You need at least a 123 to two-tap to arms, which is the centennial. FMJ only extends your dropoff, point blank damage is identical to base ammo.

[hot vigil]

@cloud shadow what weapons are you thinking about when you say they are made for longer lasting engagements? :)
Not that I think you are wrong, just curious

[grizzled dagger]

thas a sick hunter idea ngl

the one with the calvary saber

[violet sable]

When better Anticheat and better servers in Europe

[flat sandal]

arms can not be penetrated can they? if not they should be

anyway, anyone else playing non legendary a lot these days due to the traits? be nice to get hotfixes for these things, no point to look at it for this long^^

[wanton imp]

there is limb pen in the game so if you get hit by the side you'll take torso damage.

[flat sandal]

oh really? nice

[wanton imp]

except it only works for bullets so throwing axes don't have limb pen same with crossbow bolts.

[flat sandal]

makes sense

[cloud shadow]

@hot vigil balanced around this topic comes from two sides. Sparks weapons e.g. are balanced to guarantee one hit kills to the chest as soon as a hunter has been downed before.
On the other hand Centennial or Krag are balanced so they explicitly don't have that advantage. When everyone has 150 HP anyways, this balancing is meaningless.
Further down a Pax e.g. does more than 100 dmg to down players who lost 50 HP, Dolch does about 97 to the chest - so there is an actual downside to the Dolch because in a battle among 100 HP hunters the Pax becomes a OHK while the Dolch still needs to two tap unless you HS. So it's less likely to trade against a Dolch.

Just examples, the list goes on and on. Just take a look at DMG-values ingame. Often times it's not arbitrary that values are just shy of x HP bars or exceed them to make up for disadvantages. All irrelevant when everyone is 150 HP all the time.

[hot vigil]

Thanks for elaborating :)

[flat sandal]

I get what you say by irrelevant but it is still an advantage because on the same token it empties health bars accordingly so you have to spend more time healing and healing supplies. It doesn't sound like a lot but I think we all know the feeling, it kinda puts you on the back foot especially without healing traits or vitality shots

Also getting body shot by long ammo causes a lot of emotional damage

guys, I think I just saw a one star 😮

but they disappeared as soon as I saw

X-files music plays

[steel comet]

Damage numbers is more than just a way to potentially one tap charred hunters.
Like the dolch example, the reason why it has 97 damage is not so it can't one tap 100 health hunters but it's about the damage combinations you can do.
For example, pax can two tap with a stomach + arm shot. Dolch is semi auto, used to be able to do this but it was seen as too powerful and now it has 97 damage making aiming for center mass more important.

[teal parcel]

@gusty kindle Just in case you don't know, the fps in menu can be disabled with external software, like rivatuner.
Of course, there is no excuse its not built into the game.

[cloud shadow]

Balancing Dolch vs. Pax has other aspects like e.g. magazine capacity.
Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the topic of burned bars and regeneration.
Same as your remark on Dolch two tapping Hunters had nothing to do with burned bars and regeneration.
So you joined a conversation without contributing to it or maybe even reading up on what's the topic at hand - nice!
Not trying to antagonize here but maybe think about what it adds to the conversation before you join in. It's fine just to read along and appreciate that person A had feedback, person B had a question about said feedback and person A elaborated in a friendly exchange.

[hot vigil]

Like how dolch have bigger mag capacity and faster reload than pax???

[steel comet]

You discussed how these weapons were balanced around being able to one tap to chest if the target has 125hp, 149hp, 100hp etc. If you do not mean charred ("lost bars") then.. Most people are basically a two tap from fully healed anyway unless you hit other combinations. Unless you meant if the target just didn't heal for some reason and that's what you meant? Still the damage numbers isn't only about finishing people off when they have reduced health, which is why I pointed out the combinations of limb + torso or stomach if it results in a kill or not.

I agree that people that get downed should be punished by losing health bars, and maybe that the current event traits are too easy to get value of.. But at the same time it's nice for the people to not be punished by most long ammo for being downed once.

Thanks to the new restoration methods

[viscid frost]

@gusty kindle love the QoL suggestions. You can use the search bar in weapons for contraband by manually typing it in, if you didn't know. Having a quick filter option would be nice still though

@slow lintel Kinda like the regen buff aoe, and it could be a foundation to further elaborate on team based roles as some traits are somewhat targeted for. However, I am concerned that would start turning this into a more rpg oriented game and would extend (most) fights out longer than necessary

I have mixed feelings 😅

[hot vigil]

More like... Mixed Healing

:V

[viscid frost]

Imagine if Bulwark gave the whole team explosive explosive and flash resistance. Pick rate to the moon

[next yarrow]

I like the idea of an AoE buff tool but I'm not sure if regen is the best option for it.

Regarding the burned bars debate, I think it works best if regaining bars is very hard/impossible midfight but not as hard afterward. Otherwise you win one fight by the skin of your teeth and have to just leave rather than persuing the bounty.

Remedy is the most balanced restore option because of this, you can pull it off in a fight but you have to go down one member while they look for a trait spur

[slow lintel]

if i remember correctly the game advertised itself as an shooter-rpg. hence the perks.
so i would say this is actually a plus 🙂

[slim pollen]

Hunt advertises itself as a high-stakes tactical FPS, no? It doesn't even have rpg listed as one of its tags.

[viscid frost]

Not sure about advertising points outside of Steam off the top of my head, but I feel it's totally valid if they want to take it the direction of a role oriented team game

[slim pollen]

To add to the outside of steam bit, this is the description on Hunt's official website:

"Hunt: Showdown is a competitive first-person PvP bounty hunting game with heavy PvE elements"

[crystal plume]

Just FYI when looking at those tags

[slim pollen]

I'm aware they're user tags 👍

In fact I think that makes them more defining than developer tags, as user tags are more indicitve of how the playerbase views the game.

[dusky tapir]

user defined

users have plastered "psychological horror" over awful games

[slim pollen]

There's something to be said about scrolling down before restating things that have been said friend. I already responded to that.

[dusky tapir]

user defined

[slim pollen]

I don't want to be rude, but are you a bot, or am I missing something? I'm sorry I just genuinely don't understand.

I may just genuinely be missing something, the coffee still hasn't fully kicked in yet.

[dim heron]

I find users often don't even know what they want for breakfast let alone what a game is or what they want to see from that game

there's always 30 different takes for 1 thing

I also have no idea what the conversation was because I can't be bothered to read it. So just sharing my 2 cents on user decisions

[slim pollen]

Definitly not wrong there.

The conversation started in regards to Hunt being called an RPG.

[dim heron]

ah 😮

[slim pollen]

I'm of the opinion that Hunt isn't an RPG, at least not without taking the meaning of RPG so broadly that it can be applied to any game.

[dim heron]

Yea, I don't think it's technically an RPG. It does have RPG elements but I wouldn't hands down say it's an RPG.

that being said, if the Devs think it's an RPG then that's probably where the development is going to eventually lead to

but I didn't pick it up thinking it was an RPG

lol

[slim pollen]

That's fair lol

[viscid frost]

Jesse out here summarizing the IT / support career field perfectly

[dim heron]

.> work in it long enough you eventually figure out the rules lol

[viscid frost]

I think it maybe took me a month to figure out when I worked a support / call center role, so yea, "long enough" is certainly the right way of putting it

[dusky tapir]

user defined

[slim pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visible-confusion-confused-gif-14771834

[queen jungle]

@crude karma Sorry for the ping, just wanted to say I like your idea because it's something original, you clearly thought about how it may work and even included an image (as simple as it may be).
High-quality suggestion post!

[viscid frost]

That does sound pretty cool! Dunno if it would be the best balanced thing in game with the movement slowing, as rapid follow up shots to kill would probably be too easy, but I certainly like the concept

[exotic granite]

will there be some actions taken for the massive using of exploid "unlimited items"?
i already reported this guy 2 times (6 months and 9 months ago)
now he is prestige 10 rank 100 , 8000 hours in the game.....i dont know where else to go with this because reporting via support doesnt realy so anything. (met him again these days)

[queen jungle]

@north pier Legendary hunters are just fans skins and have always been that 🤔 You like a skin you play it, easy as that.

[slim pollen]

What they're pointing out is that currently there's no practical reason to use legendary hunter skins right now though. Not when non-legendary hunters are so much better options currently in regards to trait point values.

If legendary hunters got the same trait point values on purchase as non-legendary hunters got it would balance out a lot better. There's no reason legendary and non-legendary hunters need to be balanced so differently.

[vital fractal]

To say that in lieu of the current recruitment hunter status is just patently false, for the best results in terms of loadout for price/perk points- hands down tier 3 hunters are leagues ahead of Legendaries currently- which are about as good as a set of free hunters

Before, legendaries were on par or better

To act otherwise is to perpetuate a falsehood, which is sad to see a mod do

[crude karma]

thanks man 👍

[crude karma]

also thanks 👍

[weary fox]

#game-ideas message

Why isn't this resolved yet? I've had this happen to be already, I had to restart a game midmatch so I can play Hunt like a normal person as opposed to a blind man.

[tiny pivot]

#feedback message
A lot of these weapons either existed, nearly existed, or were prototyped during the time of this game. People always use this as an arguement and being real the Avto is the only real example and the Avto is an unweildy, almost crazy person of a weapon that basically requires your entire build to be made around to be effective for more than a single fight or two of just gutting people.
If this game was just bolt actions and single action revolvers I can guarantee you both the devs and the players would be bored. I'm not saying every gun should be automatic/semiautomatic, and I do think that the Avto is an objectively weird and bad gun that should maybe not be in the game, but realistically they're gonna run out of unique guns to add eventually and people need to realize that experimentation is okay.
Think about the cyclone, which came out and everyone FREAKED OUT like its the second coming of the avtomat and then now, an event or two later, I can't even think of the last time I've seen someone use a cyclone period. Maybe because it's not a good gun and it fits into a bad middle ground and most of the time, either doubling down and running an avto, or folding em and using a standard vetterli is better.
Crazy.

[warped dragon]

New to the Discord, but I was wondering if there was ever in thoughts to putting solo players in their own lobbies? Because it's super frustrating to be in duos and triples and just backdoored by a solo.

[unborn dagger]

It has been tried a while back and was met with negative criticism due to most players camping and waiting for one to go to the boss room

[warped dragon]

So what they do in the duos and trios lobbies anyway? lol So we're just suffered to have to constantly look for a single person creeping instead of a team that would be more visible in a team based lobby.

[vital fractal]

Usually solos third party and pick off people

Or, if it’s just them vs the team- it’s guerilla tactics

Or they push insanely aggressively- it’s true, sometimes pure aggression gets the job done with melee

[warped dragon]

Still ruins the team aspect of the game for me and multiple other people I've run into. It's like going into a team lobby game expecting a free for all. lol

[vital fractal]

I mean, just push with numbers and burn- easy

Never allow a 1v1, trust me- even with potato aim, numbers matter

[warped dragon]

But they get greater abilities and opportunities that no other team based player gets.

I shouldn't have to down someone multiple, multiple times to not have to worry about them again. lol

But hey it's not gonna change, it's just frustrating to try to understand the mentality of people that decide to see a team game and just be like: I'm gonna play solo! lol

[remote ore]

nobody owes you a playstyle. Hunt is not just a team game, it's more than that. Live with it!

[queen jungle]

One chooses a legendary hunter for its skin, not anything else.

[slim pollen]

Ok... and?

Why does that mean legendary hunters should be functionally worse than non- legendary hunters?

[queen jungle]

They've always been "worse" than taking a non-legendary hunter.
People should just stop caring about a couple measly trait points and play the skins they want to.

Trying to min-max just ruins the fun

[slim pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-dr-who-david-tennant-raised-eyebrow-pissed-gif-5390132

[rotund obsidian]

"worse" only by virtue of not revealing the rng beforehand

the solution to getting a bad rolled t3 was to just buy a legendary and take the odds of getting something less garbage

to be honest though, i don't really care much if legendaries are slightly disadvantaged. I do care that these fresh hunters get too many damn points

[slim pollen]

... nobody is trying to min-max legendary hunters..?
People are just pointing out that it would be nice if legendary hunters were closer in balance to regular hunters.

Whether that's by buffing legendary hunters or nerfing regular hunters or something else entirely.

[rotund obsidian]

when they added the refund, i was lucky to get around 4 points on a legendary. It's guaranteed now which is alright, but i'm also likely to get like, 15-20 on a recruit which I don't even really need to gamble for

[queen jungle]

Regular hunters have always had the advantage of knowing the loadout they come with, while legendary ones come with just three random traits and no gear.

The impact of this has even been lessened due to cutting legendary hunter cost by two thirds compared to the $300 of the past.

[slim pollen]

It kind of feels like you're not listening? Just repeatedly saying 'there is no problem, stop saying there is one'. Forgive me if I'm wrong in how I'm interpreting you.

[rotund obsidian]

i mean i definitely chose legendary hunters in the past because they were the best option for traits without putting myself in a hole by spending like 500+ per hunter on the random junk they came with plus my own loadouts

they were pretty much on par with t3s as far as traits went, for a fraction of the price

[slim pollen]

To add to tacomax's statements, just looking at the first T1 hunter to pop-up in my recruitment tab they cost 456$ and have;

a terminus handcannon, a nagant silencer, a knuckle knife, a healing kit, chokebombs, a stam shot, and a dynamite bundle all of which combine for a sell price of 429$ making the hunter themself only cost 27$. And on top of all that they come with bullet grubber and fanning which can be sold for 10 trait points.

Again that's just a T1 hunter.

Compare that to the average legendary hunter which rarely comes with more than 5-6 trait points in sell value and effectively costs more than a T1 hunter.

Respectfully, I think that either legendary hunters should be buffed to come with a higher minimum trait value or regular hunters should be nerfed to bring them in line with legendary hunters.

Personally I'd prefer the former but the latter could work to balance the issue just as well.

[queen jungle]

At some point, with experience and easy hunt dollars, all of that doesn't matter anymore since you just pick a hunter you like and equip it with gear you want to play.

My two cents, anyways

[slim pollen]

I don't disagree but it's disingenuous to act as though there isn't an imbalance here.

[queen jungle]

The imbalance is nothing new though

[slim pollen]

I can't say there was much of an imbalance before, but with the new changes just this past update there certainly is now.

Regular and legendary hunters used to be roughly on par, with legendarys often feeling behind just a bit. Now regular hunters are far and ahead the better option between the two.

It's not as though it would shake the foundation of hunt to rectify this new imbalance.

[rotund obsidian]

My complaint would be exactly this, though. Before, you could have unlimited hunt dollars and you'd still be trait capped on a new hunter by the random rolls you could get. Now, it's pretty much guaranteed you'll get like 2-4x the trait points.

[vital fractal]

That’s a lie lol

[unborn smelt]

No it's not?

Legendary hunters were always intentionally at least slightly undertuned, by one metric or another, so they're not P2W

[vital fractal]

On average they were on par

[unborn smelt]

When traits were more random, legendary hunters came with no gear, a decent base cost just, and the issue of not seeing stuff up front.

The gap just was not this big as it is now, or was in the very beginning

[weary fox]

Tbh, as much as I want Legendary Hunters to get buffed (I even suggested a change myself). At the end of the day, people really only buy/use Legendary Hunters because they look cool and feel cool. Being a tier below the current Hunters are ok since, you're only using the Hunter for their cool ass skin anyways.

There are more glaring issues that need changes (especially when it comes to centennial bleed).

Though, this take on legendary hunters will probably land me in hot waters with the general community of Hunt.

[vital fractal]

Exactly, most recruitment hunter gear were immediately sold off- all that was left was the perks for the most part

And both legendaries and Tier 3s sucked lol- which is good

Don’t need to die then instantly get a good hunter again

Now, Tier 3s are literal meta

Can easily get 10+ points every time to cover Necro, Bloodless, Salveskin

[radiant river]

interesting priority of traits

but yeah i agree it basically feels like dying is meaningless now

[unborn gyro]

Sucks to constantly get uptiered as random tier 4 -- each and every time tier 5 in random group. Sucks. Couple that with random groups going up against premades .. sucks even more.

[steel comet]

I kinda see it as irrelevant though since surviving one game most of the time leaves me with full or close to full traits.

The xp changes have made a huge impact, same as the trait spur spawns.

[hot vigil]

@prime ibex the heck are you on about, Nitro can shoot thru straight stone wall and you think the Explosive Nitro is bad bc it can """""only""""" 1-tap chest at 76m!?

[exotic granite]

seems like no mod is interested in reporting cheaters here, so i have to answer myself...lol what a shame 😄

[rancid pebble]

You’ve already had a response. They are most likely working on it. Hell, maybe it’s a visual bug. I don’t know. Go through the proper channels, not continuous posting on discord.

[hot vigil]

Ah no, it's a very real exploit

[steel comet]

Report them and move on. It should be really easy for support to catch those exploiters.

[exotic granite]

no need to be harsh, i am posting this for the first time and i got no answer, and i reported them 6 and 9 months before, so next step would be to bring it up. no its not a visual bug because the guy had unlimited amo boxes too.
so its a normal discussion here in the feedback forum if other channels dont work.

[exotic granite]

thx, i report this guy for the 3 rd time now in 9 months, i am sure THIS time it will help!

[rancid pebble]

I thought I’d seen this posted prior. My apologies if I was mistaken. :]

[steel comet]

Were they doing this exploit 9 months ago?

[exotic granite]

i met this guy again and again (i cant write infos here or i get banned for naming) and he sometimes uses it and sometimes not....but he did it like mid 2023 , end 2023 and now in start 2024....alle 3 guys in his team...all same country...they just kill other teams by unlimited bees....my question is: how would crytek support want to ban them if the name is just like "NULL" or a symbol (no its not there name its just an example)

[wind stream]

if you report them ingame they will have the player ids and the name doesnt matter. If you contact them via the website just stating the time of the match is enough, since they can see who played against you at that time

[exotic granite]

i just want to understand, when i write to the crytek support website i played on 29.01.2024 on Europe and the playername was "empty" they will find him? ...i dont believe this...i hope this is not naming by god...its not a name at all

[queen jungle]

@g_____man Please report bugs in the appropriate channels and keep #game-ideas for new feature suggestions only

[tidal grove]

Would you please correct the error in survivor mode when it says "something went wrong while I was trying to create a session" when clicking on search game?

[blissful jackal]

still lose money

[unborn gyro]

@gusty kindlegreat suggestions

[vocal ember]

thx dude

[vital fractal]

Win once and boom, that’s like 2-3 games worth of money- and then retire hunters for ez 3000

If you don’t ball out every game, (which is still really easy to do) it’s not hard to garner cash again

[vital fractal]

As since fucking when can Nitro one tap at 76m to chest with explosive…

I tried and it only did like 100 dmg at 76m, and most of that damage was the explosive portion meaning bulwark would get it down to like 50-60

[blissful jackal]

i run 1500$ loadouts every match plus rerolling legendary hunters like 3-4 times so probs closer to 2k average its easy to lose money if i have bad games. as for retiring hunters i guess i could start doing that i just run them till they die.

[vital fractal]

My guy, you are spending in the top 1% of players- probably closer to 0.1% + you’re using Legendary hunters which are garbage at the moment

And you don’t retire hunters

Like you’re doing everything to spend more money than necessary

And this is coming from a guy who runs nitro and avtos pretty often now, and I have stayed consistent despite losing a lot this past update

For most people this update is a goldmine for money reserves

[blissful jackal]

for wildcard you make bands but i only play normal bounty, it feels like you barely get money lmao

[vital fractal]

It’s only a few hundred difference, the game throws money at people

[blissful jackal]

wildcard is like 3x as much

[vital fractal]

Sometimes but once I get rid of the first extract bonus, it’s not that noticeable to me

Again, another reason to retire and get new hunters- that first extract bonus is so good

Now that stacking with wildcard is Bands

[cursive cypress]

@visual rune ...... wtf bro

[fossil tinsel]

I think he's onto something

[tiny pivot]

Dude might be on a bit of crack, but lets be real, mariner existing in the ASH BLOOM event and not the CONSTANT RAIN one is kinda. Silly

[cursive cypress]

fr

[tiny pivot]

Oh let me clarify, mariner was a thing in the rain event and it made sense and as someone who used it, it was good. It existing during THIS event makes no sense

[weary fox]

#game-ideas message

Can Jarate be added if this piss update ever went through?

[worn magnet]

Region ban chinese cheaters and invest in real anti cheat. Thank you

[bold valley]

this is some dare you enter my magical realm territory

[weary fox]

#game-ideas message

As much as I would like to see new additions added to Hunt, this is one of the few times I would personally contemplate adding. The issue with dum dum is because it's too oppressive when it comes into play, imo. And, adding a syringe to mitigate the issue isn't a good change, just like how bloodless is great against dum dum but let's be honest, you're not going to give up one of your 15 trait slots for countering an ammo type your foe may bring right?

This will also result in the same dilemma. Where, are you going to give up a consumable slot just so you can counter an ammo type your foe may bring? You can bring up the argument that poison also suffers from this. But, poison is not as oppressive as it's not immediately lethal, the only gun that can challenge this is Sparks poison. It would be a better idea to tackle the issue of dum dum being oppressive and readily available on most guns than to add another item/trait that counters it.

This is just my take on it though, I still think your suggestion is a interesting idea

@rocky heath

[frigid folio]

@jagged wagon this is actually a really common thing. I believe what causes it is one of the parties (either you or the person who shot you) had high ping, probably the person shooting. So when they shot you you were out in the open but by the time the server caught up to both of you, you'd moved behind the wall before the server could declare you dead. And it just takes your death from where your body ended up at the end and if that is through a wall it will say its a wall bang

[jagged wagon]

It doesn't even say its a wall bang.

[frigid folio]

Ahh sometimes it does for me and I just assumed it did here for you too my bad! 😅 the rest though I still believe is accurate to your situation. I hope it made sense 😅 and that it's accurate! I'm not 100% sure on it but that's how I believe it works?

[unborn smelt]

I'm fairly certain it comes down to this - altho i don't think it says its a wallbang if you were still in the open for the shooter when they shot you

Could just be smth with how the deathview is displayed.

Just a guess because afaik we don't have more technical infos, it could display the deathview based on your clients positional information (hence you seeing yourself seemingly behind the wall, while the hitreg is based on the shooters ingo, cross checked with the servers info - thus it not claiming it to be a wallbang)

That could potentially be done to reduce strain on the server

Just to make sure tho - I have no actual info, its just an educated guess

[frigid folio]

Yea I thought it was a bit weird to get wallbanged but when it was happening with like dumdum and poison i figured it must just be the server catching up sort of thing. Definitely helped with the frustration to think this way at least 😂

[teal parcel]

Or you crouched there with your head sticking outside (camera is at the chest level so it looks weird on the kill view)

[tulip tapir]

lol seems not even crytek mods know how to report nameless people XD

[crystal plume]

You can still report through the support site without the person's steam ID as long as you provide your own steam ID and the time it happened

They can figure it out from the logs

[normal horizon]

Ahorn did say that as well 🙂

[exotic granite]

ah ok , i first red it wrong, yeah that sound legit.

[tidal grove]

Hello. I have almost 9k hours in this game, I love your game, but it has very important flaws in the gameplay, not to mention in the lobby.

The maps should have less water in the corners or, to their benefit, fewer ducks or crows, it seriously hurts if a team is next to you because they have the complete advantage over you. Especially in survivor mode.

example - scupper lake

When you go out there the most likely thing is that you will arrive last to everything and the worst of all is that if you go out there, you will put birds and ducks everywhere, anyone who goes out in Port Reeker will kill you if they decide to defend that position by crossing the swamp through it. half.
Conclusion...the corners of the maps should be less infected by ducks and crows

[turbid hound]

#game-ideas message it's Horseless Headless Horseman. It's like Headless Horseman but without a horse.

[dusky tapir]

There's many ways to bait out soundtraps - the game even tells you how to

🤨

[tidal grove]

what answer is that? I don't understand your answer, sorry

[unborn smelt]

You can use them to your advantage. For example you could trigger them with a decoy which would lead the defenders to peek that direction, while you're somwhere else

You could also just avoid them entirely, crouch to reduce the range they aggro in, use beastface or approach from another angle. (In scupper, specifically the wooded hill in the west or thelandmass near the map border going from SE all the way to NW.
Or you kill the soundtraps, with for example poison bombs or bolts

There's plenty of ways to deal with soundtraps

[gilded dune]

I wish the "Toggle Weapon" is separated setting with the "toggle between lower the weapon and hipfire aim" just like for hunter mode but for player who uses Gunslinger mode has to HOLD the "Toggle Weapon" to lower their weapons which takes longer time than it should because you have to hold it to toggle it.

[warped sapphire]

since it got suggested countless times over the years (at least it got mentioned quite a bunch as i can see) i wanted to post this here instead of a new suggestion. The good old rangefinder, as many said the spyglass could be used for that but i wanted to mention we now have all the components already in the game for this. I would love to see a simple function like if you look through the spyglass and you ping something it shows the distance. I could think of a bunch of use cases for this, the obvious one being to check if you are in headshot range, to give players a better idea of how big an area is (example: you want to know if the big dynamite bundle would kill the enemy if you threw it at a certain place) this can be used in various ways, this functionality would also give the weapon stats that are displayed a meaning that can be understood even by new players.

[tidal grove]

In my opinion it is not good. I don't have to carry poison, and in survivor mode you go out without equipment. Flanking the lake from the right or left is wasting time. If you think that's okay, okay. But the one who appears in the corners is always the one harmed by this type of things. I have tried to cross through the middle of the lake and more than once they are killed because there is no cover. If you think that 50-100 meters of water without covers is great. It is clear that it is the first map and you did not think about that. In fact at the beginning it was much worse. After a patch it improved somewhat, but it is still difficult to cross there. Going into the water to avoid some ducks is death. I leave my opinion and then do what you want.

[humble quest]

If at any point you think to yourself that crossing open water is preferable to going around the edges, I think the fault comes back to you and not the design of the map

[tidal grove]

It's 9k hours spent crossing there, I say this from experience.

I'm not saying that it's preferable, I'm saying that it hurts whoever starts in that area because you always arrive last on the slopes, no one borders the map as soon as you start except in that area, I think what I'm saying is completely understood, another thing is that I want to risk crossing the lake

I don't care that they don't make changes, I just wanted to give my opinion on the experience obtained after 9000 hours of play, I say it with all the respect in the world

This is told to you by a player who loves the game and takes every little detail seriously.

They already modified that area once. For something serious, what I say is that it should be modified even more.

thanks

[unborn smelt]

Nothing wrong with stating one's opinion. Initially i just wanted to explain the answer you were given before

which was the baiting soundtraps part

[unborn smelt]

But if you make claims in the diswcussion channel, like claiming a high water compound is a disadvantgae if you have teams near you, you gotta expect people with other opinions to question such a statement

[vital fractal]

We need a weather mode where the water is just knee deep at minimum everywhere

[unborn smelt]

🤣

yes

just get Mariner then

[vital fractal]

I do wish the shooting range had options for weather + ai

And maps

I know “custom lobbies” are in the roadmap

So they are kinda working on it

But it would be helped to have access to a training facility to see how to interact with AI beyond the Tutorials

Or how weather affects certain gameplay elements and so on

As of right now, we can only mess around in three compounds at the moment- with 2 having no support for extended fights/resets (wolf’s head does have the innate arsenal with the chance of an custom ammo swap box to spawn- even in free roam fun fact)

[queen jungle]

Add a perk that let's me dive and swim around like Rotjaw

[faint inlet]

is the bug that prevents you from getting a legendary weapon/tool/consumable out of bank to your hunter's loadout without buying a new one has already been reported ?

like you have to manually switch the legendary to its default skin in order to put it in your loadout, THEN reswitch it to legendary

[humble quest]

It's reported yes. You can also just use the equip button.

[blissful jackal]

#feedback message this is facts

walking into compound and having to kill 3 tanks 4 hives 2 immos and 500 grunts be annoying af

[hot vigil]

I mean, you don't have to kill all the AI, if you don't sprint AI have quite short aggro range when you just walk.

[vivid totem]

what the hell is wrong with the servers

[manic plank]

Any feedback on my train boss idea. I like the idea but it may need tweaking

[queen jungle]

Ai is weaker than it has ever been and people still complain

[chilly nova]

Vaulting being inconsistent (not working randomly) gets me killed yet again. Any plans to finally address that, or are things like this just forgotten forever?

[vital fractal]

Exactly

AI are push overs

The only AI that has any form of threat at this point on average are dogs, and even then- it’s because you are not willing to shoot them or you ignored them for too long

AI needs a difficulty buff

[somber harbor]

this will literally just make everyone scurry away to hide more than they usually do bro 😭

[vital fractal]

People hide already, this might actually make fights more hectic and give people a reason to consider anti-AI elements in loadouts

[queen jungle]

Should be brought back to Early Access levels. More AI, that does more DMG and has more health. Want to take out an Armored with a knife? Better regen stamina in between

[vital fractal]

Literally I’m so down for this

Keep the current vulnerabilities like armoreds and fire

But if you choose basic equipment, you better know how to handle a special enemy without special equipment

Like, all PvE is now- is a sound trap

That’s it

There’s no more depth to them than that essentially to most players

[queen jungle]

Yep, it's a shame really

[vital fractal]

In return there should be a bit more xp given when killing them, to balance out some difficulty

[somber harbor]

I just want them to add assassin swarm bugs to bushes and shit

it's such an underutilised status effect

every other boss inflicts common status effects why not make assassin bugs swarm you for crouch walking too long or being stationary for too long

[chilly nova]

Making trades more common was one of your biggest mistakes and you stubbornly stick by it.

[queen jungle]

So you preferred the "shoot enemies but don't do any damage because on the other side you are already dead though the bullet hasn't killed you yet" from before? The one lots and lots and lots of people complained about?

[blissful jackal]

It's not about being weak it's about how annoying it is by shear volume

[queen jungle]

It's fine, maybe should even be increased a little to make it more of a threat again. Being able to handle PvE just as PvP is part of being a skilled hunter.

[blissful jackal]

Yeah let's make clearing ai take even more time as if teams don't take forever already

[queen jungle]

They... really don't take forever

Not sure about your experience, but I reach the boss within the first 20 minutes of the match, usually less

[blissful jackal]

uhh im usually at bounty at like 2-3 minutes i use stam shot every match

my complaint was theres just too much

to the point where its simply annoying

[somber harbor]

I mean

I've had a few questionable trades before

I do think the window could use some fine tuning

Like once I shot a dude inside blanchett, downed him, ran all the way across the building to the back window, died, assumed it was his teammate that downed me but when I returned to lobby it was the dude I downed lmaoo

trust that I was beyond furious cause I was solo and if it wasn't for that trade window I'd have been out with a bounty

[hot vigil]

@idle marlin Would be a cool trait, except that Uppercut is a small arm revolver, so it would just bring back quick swap meta.

[idle marlin]

that's true yeah, could just have it apply to small and/or medium ammo

[hot vigil]

Still think a Spitfire FMJ would be brutal.

Actually any gun, due to main issue is that quick swap just benefit long ammo rifles.

You tag with whatever long ammo and swap

[idle marlin]

i just suggest it cause i always run in with a single conversion in each slot with one loaded with dumdum and the other with fmj's lmao

[hot vigil]

Hahah, fun!

Would could be a cool trait for pistol only.

Call it pistoleer

[idle marlin]

that's actually a really good point

it'd bring out more pistol only loadouts

[hot vigil]

If you use any combo of non-precision/carbine pistols, you can get increase draw speed.

Bc dunno if it really helps making dualies and dualies more viable.

[rotund obsidian]

There's a middle ground, and it's the "shoot enemies but don't do any damage because on the SERVER side you are already dead though that hasn't reached your own pc yet"

[dry thistle]

This would break the "hunt" immersion. Part of the loop of this game is hunting other hunters. Being still. Standing off. etc.

[radiant river]

🐑

only AI i have a problem with is clues with a meathead hive and armored concertina on them

[tiny pivot]

In general I would definitely love more traits oriented to hyper specific playstyles like that

Like, the theoretical opposite of Quartermaster

Also unfortunately I've seen a couple posts and I don't think that Crytek is ever gonna go the directional facing flashbang route with the flash bomb. I actually do believe that it being omnipotent is a big factor in making it more useful and good compared to flashbangs in a lot of other games. But because of that, they hav eto adjust other parts of it, I definitely think it could still use a reduction in charge time tho. Or I would rather them add a fuse to it

[hot vigil]

Flashbangs in other games just have a skill floor to reach.
Flashbangs in Hunt (were) incredible free to use with little skill to use, to the point where the best flash counter was throwing your own flash.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, it is just hard to see it not just becoming people running two Uppercuts

[tiny pivot]

I actually just think that vision based flashes are so easy to just flick away from. Maybe that's a variety of skill expression, but I much prefer Hunt's, and any kind of buff/nerf of such, where if I throw the damn bomb it actually blinds people

I find it very frustrating to throw a flashbang, or multiple flashes in some games, to just. not blind anyone because they flicked their mouse in a 360

[hot vigil]

Well, that is where the skill celling is, you need to throw and time flashes in ways where they enter's the enemies vison in least amount of time before detonating to minimize counter reaction.

Flashes in hunt were (still is) "throw in general directions for free kills"

[tiny pivot]

That might just be a difference in opinion. And also my experience. Playing games growing up, I never really enjoyed or found use in such flashbangs in COD/CS/etc that I played growing up. But that's just me! I think a nice medium of usability would be fixing/changing the animation and giving it quite a fuse, so you have to airburst it and risk blinding yourself just as much as the target. But I'm not a game designer :P people are having the same problem with frag bombs so it might not be ideal.

[queen jungle]

If you are already dead any shots fired get invalidated by the server. Before, shots would get invalidated even if you were still alive but the killing shot at you had already been fired.

[rotund obsidian]

That's not true. I framecounted a few clips from rachta's high ping video and there were several instances where he fired and killed after his serverside death #feedback-discussion message

Shots sent are accepted by the server as long as you aren't dead on your own screen when you clicked.

[idle marlin]

hey does anyone know if the game will try to put two friends in the same game if they queue as solos?

[vital fractal]

Not actively try to, but if you’re in the same pool at the same time- it’ll be a chance, some people do it as means for nefarious purposes

[unborn dagger]

@fringe tundra I find it weird that bullet penetration doesnt apply to FMJ

If anything FMJ should have it over spitzer

[fringe tundra]

Yeah

Should make it feel more consistent

[idle marlin]

we wanna fight each other and other people and see how kills more and each othwr

[fringe tundra]

Then you just have to queue at the same time and get lucky

[vital fractal]

Over spitzer, not at all

With spitzer? Yes

With a damage penalty to base? 100% too

[unborn dagger]

Spitzer just simply shouldnt be a thing. If they want to give long ammo fmj that's fine, but spitzer is just a non sensical addition for long ammo.

[vital fractal]

How so, it’s pretty balanced imo

High MV, Lower Damage at most ranges (except the very very end where hs range is increased), and very good pen- like FMJ + rare collats

Special ammo on long too, very rough

[unborn dagger]

Because long ammo already has good enough penetration and muzzle velocity. The devs decide to be goofy and give it even more of that at the cost of a small damage loss. FMJ actually makes sense for long ammo because of it sacrificing muzzle velocity for extra pen.

[vital fractal]

Uh going from 136 -> 116 damage is not a small damage loss, that change alone can turn a 40m safety zone in long fights to being relatively safe to push with melee

The extra velocity is fine too since HV ammo isn’t really op any sense tbh, you still need to lead at long distances

Although sure closer ranges are technically “easier” to hit headshots with- but let’s be honest, hitting consistent headshots with any weapon is hard in this game so it’s not “unearned” like some people have said here before 👁👁

And the pen? Let’s be 100% here, no one but only the ultra sweatiest benefit from the pen buff, and that takes skill whether we like to admit it or not too

Also, it’s special- which means 2 per special box or you need a consumable to get 5 back and lose a slot

In fact I’d argue FMJ not having a damage penalty from base is actually the issue here since it is a direct upgrade from base ammo in almost every situation bar some Silenced Weapons + Sniping (and even then, Lemat marksmen is an exception here)

Spitzer is literally just YouTube clickbait for most players

[neon basalt]

Please fix your servers, since some days almost every match we got lag and bad ping in USA East-West doesn't matter...Im with a symetric 300MB internet connection in LAN. Please do something! This affects the PvP alot!

[rotund obsidian]

@fringe tundra #game-ideas message All bullet types can already penetrate limbs to hit torso, it just only counts the highest hit (can be head or torso or whatever)
My understanding of spitzer is that because the bullet can penetrate so well, it goes straight through hunters, and instead of all the energy being transferred into the hunter, some of it is retained, which is why it deals less damage.

[fringe tundra]

Ah i See, thanks!

Edited my suggestion so this will be displayed in the screen to make it more clear to the players

[hot vigil]

Sorry for the late asnwer, but yeah, in CS flashes and grenade throws in general, is a whole meta and skill set in iteself, to the point that Valve have built in grenade pathing for the spectators :)
In how you fix flash, I think the most easiest solution would have been to cut the blind timer in half so it is only 3 seconds.
Otherwise giving it a timer, so it needs to cook would be nice too, tho it might just render it useless.

[obsidian narwhal]

Lmfao @visual rune

Actual gold

[signal mural]

@static loom Your suggestion about Antidote shot is unclear and sounds like a weaker version of Bleed damage. Even within your suggestion you seem to realize that poison becoming a DoT would turn the Sparks into a 1 shot body tapper... and yet there's no clear suggested resolution to that issue. A Sparks body shot does 149... one tick of DoT would kill the target regardless of any reduction from traits, shots, or distance.

[manic plank]

@wanton imp but so is everyone else. Solo or not, if their down bars should they also have their mmr not go down as much. You also have the option to just leave and not worry about your mmr going down

[hot vigil]

Didn't even consider that

[idle marlin]

i still miss old alamo, imo it wasn't even op

[hot vigil]

What is "old alamo"?

[idle marlin]

when it came out

[hot vigil]

It is still the same

[idle marlin]

it just feels so much slower but maybe it's just the different animation

[hot vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXIKrCIwJ6s
Different animation, same speed :)

[idle marlin]

dayum really? it's all just been in my head i guess

in that case i'ma have to give another try

the old animation honestly felt quicker but if the cycle time is the same i'ma try it again

even if it is the same speed

[hot vigil]

Don't worry, it is a common thing in human psychology, in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, the whole community was complaining that the Thompson was stronger than the MP40, even tho those two guns had identical stats in the game.
But because the Thompson had a beefier sound to it, people had the perception it was stronger than the MP40, so the "fix" the devs did was simply to tweak the sound of the MP40 haha.

[signal mural]

I feel like the Alamo's rechambering speed is almost the same as reloading the breach loader. It's so slow you need to take evasive action if you don't OHK.

[idle marlin]

the fact the animation was switched to where the hunter doesn't close the romero until its cocked just feels so much slower but like damn if it's the same speed we might be back on "alamo my beloved" grindset

on a similar note

why isn't there a sparks talon yet?

[hot vigil]

Does the sparks need a talon?

[signal mural]

Ha! You're better off taking a Derringer...

You can finish the target with a riflestock slam.

[idle marlin]

no not really but i think it'd be a little funny maybe

[hot vigil]

Yeah it would for sure be one of those "non-issue" additions to Hunt, but dunno, would rather see fewer variants and weapons, but more intersting additions

Akin to the Drilling.

[idle marlin]

in that case, a medium ammo 1858 new army could be cool, the cylinder swap feature would make for another good addition to medium ammo

[signal mural]

At this point there's arsenal bloat. I would love to see more effort put into the AI costumes and environmental randomization.

[hot vigil]

Eh honestly rn you I would only want to see a new compact rifle, rn we only have the Winfield.
Would be interesting to see a 115 damage compact gun.

[latent geyser]

Wrong ping lmao
I mentioned it, you may have skipped it or I didn't word it well : you get less dmg from the poison shot, but the DoT afterward cannot go further the bullet dmg. At point blank a spark poison shot would, in that situation, deal less than 149 dmg but the DoT will stop once the total dmg gets to 149.

That's the idea I go with.

[idle marlin]

spencer carbine easily would fit the bill

[signal mural]

But then Sparks poison is totally useless.

[hot vigil]

With the new tutorial and shooting range I wish that upon match creating the map would shuffle every compound with a "b-side" version.
So a healing water church with the tower destroyed or Pearl Plantation with have the building crumbled even futher.

[idle marlin]

^

[latent geyser]

Such effect would only occur IF the hunter hit has a shot. Otherwise it's just regular poison. Antidote by itself procures an advantage, in this case you can still heal quickly, but you'll lose some hp even after being healed.

It's... quite complex I admit, but the point is to change a hard counter.

[signal mural]

Yeah, I would love more small map randomization. Locked doors, broken windows, boarded up windows, blocked bridge way...

[hot vigil]

Well, think it needs to be some kinda of clear visual from afar so people know they are entering a B-side compound and not getting killed bc they thought they could turn a corner but get faced with a cave-in blocking their path haha

[idle marlin]

small dynamic changes to the maps similar to battlefield could be cool like if you use enough dynamite on a bridge you can destroy it at least partially

[latent geyser]

Unsure if Hunt is a game that could have proper dynamic changes. It's all about positioning, destroying the environment would make some areas too risky to play in.

As cool as it sounds, Hunt is too different from a BF to have all this implemented.

[hot vigil]

Think the best way that should work is that there could be marked walls that can get destroyed with dynamite.

[signal mural]

I don't think its too complicated but the description feels rushed TBH. It sounds like you mean poison bullets should apply poison as non-lethal DoT equal to the damage they do. Which would essentially be like a non-healable & non-lethal DoT (bleed) effect that would be shortened by antidote shots & Mithradist.

[latent geyser]

I'm at work so yeah, kinda rushed 😅 but you get the idea.

[signal mural]

I agree that Poison is at a poor place in Hunt's gameplay. Here's my suggestion: #game-ideas message

There's stuff about fire & bleeding a few posts further down too.

[idle marlin]

man fighting spider is such a pain, not cause he's like super hard but he never wants to fight when i'm facing him

maybe i just never learned the boss properly but man

[hot vigil]

The spider shuffle is always a pain haha

[fringe tundra]

Feel you. I spent like half the fight searching for it, then raging about it moving the frame I throw a sticky

[idle marlin]

sure do love a boss that fights me

[idle marlin]

lmao

[hot vigil]

Like the Assassin, in my experience, the best way to fight the spider is to just stand still.

And for the assassin is all about not looking at him too

[idle marlin]

i honestly never had a big issue with assassin

i just stand in an entrance, wait with a sledge, and hope he doesn't spam his split move or whatever it's called

[fringe tundra]

Me neither, just sometimes with the last phase split move but that’s just bad luck then

[signal mural]

Yeah I meant smaller things that would be more an inconvenience than a full on dead end. But B-side compounds would be cool too... especially if it wasn't A or B for the whole map but that little tells would be there to signify which compound variant spawned. (If there's a boat on fire with burning bodies outside of Lockbay or if the waterwheel is turning or broken... Which flag is atop the mast at Fort?)

[idle marlin]

scrapbeak remains my favourite boss at the moment, i too feed birds and collect trash(trinkets)

plus it's a cool dynamic to keep all the supplies in the boss lair and covering it with concertina

no one will have a good time lmao

[fringe tundra]

Yeah I do love a scrappy fight - it’s more risky than the butcher and feels more challenging and the mechanic is great

[idle marlin]

i honestly never found big bird a hard fight

i just spam throwing axes and stabbing with the knuckle knife

takes me like 2 minutes max usually

[fringe tundra]

Yeah but he can f you up pretty good with some concertinas

[idle marlin]

lemme tell you though, first time i saw butcher i wanted to close the game and never touch it again cause of how spooked i was

[idle marlin]

yeah it can get a little harsh especially if he gets a good toss in and traps you

[fringe tundra]

Butcher actually was the least scary to me xD but then again I had a friend who insta choke-bombed him

[fringe tundra]

Yeah and you don’t get that with the butcher. Sometimes with the assassins and the spider

[hot vigil]

Yeah, missing church towers, could even go the other way and do "pre-destruction" crematorium, over-grown buildings and so on.

[idle marlin]

does anyone know how long the double tap Y (on xbox) brings out your melee has been in the game for?

cause my buddy and i just learned about it last week

we thought it was a rare input glitch

[idle marlin]

a pre-destruction crematorium could make for a possible above ground boss lair

[fringe tundra]

I mean having pre-scripted events where you can destroy a church tower with the big dynamite bundle might be nice - will have to be balanced though so people don’t spam it everytime

[hot vigil]

Naw don't want the map changes to be in the player's hand.

Just want the layouts being able to be remixed

Most destruction a player should be able to do is to use dynamite on pre-determined brittle walls.

[fringe tundra]

But i do think destroying a church tower sniper spot is kinda similar to creating a new opening with a brittle wall - depends on the wall of course but I would just argue about the sniper nests, nothing else

[viscid frost]

idk how long exactly, but I've seen it talked about in passing, namely in patchnotes for what feels like quite a while now

definitely willing to bet it's underused

[tiny pivot]

I honestly get the due concern because the newer animation (I presume is the one on the right, forgive me if I don't recognize) but the weapon does linger for a bit after finishing the reload+cock so it does feel a little odd

[tiny pivot]

Dont worry about late answers, it is all in due fun but also, pings help
And yeah, I definitely think both the omnipresent blind and the facing blind are options that they could use for the flash bomb. I do prefer the omnipotent blind as I think its infinitely more useful even in less perfect situations/players than the standard stun bombs but I would agree if the blind timer was that high to half it down and also buff/change the cooking animation in tow.
I think a cooking timer would be fine honestly - it just depends on how they treat the blind from it because it becomes much more important then. Definitely nerfing down the blind timer will be nice, and also it would probably be a pretty tight fit in terms of cooking a flash bomb so that it airbursts the enemy without also airbursting the hunter throwing it

[queen jungle]

Title: Shooting Range

Description: Add a matchmaking queue option for players with identical MMRs that want to practice in the shooting range.
PS: I don't know how to add the reactions for vote

[fringe tundra]

Wrong channel, you need to go to #game-ideas

[queen jungle]

PS: I don't know how to add the reactions for vote

[crystal plume]

They are added automatically

[queen jungle]

They did not

i tried posting it but the voting did not automatically place

[crystal plume]

Did you try more than once?

[queen jungle]

yes

3 times

[crystal plume]

Do you have @marsh garden blocked?

[queen jungle]

notifications silenced?

no i do not have it blocked

[crystal plume]

Weird

[queen jungle]

can you post it on my behalf?

or anyone....

[crystal plume]

Someone else can but I'd rather not as a moderator as it would technically make it stand out more due to the color of my name

[queen jungle]

yes i agree.

[tiny pivot]

#feedback message
I would definitely love if it stayed in its current state somehow, probably costing a handful of points
Its very nice to be able to level up weapons faster and more effectively and generally it doesn't effect pvp. Even the pve it doesnt affect very much, it does theoretically double your boss killing speed but there are so many variables to that and people can just use bomb lances or bdb anyway.

[faint inlet]

new bug today, Scrapbeak dropped some happy meal boxes that I could interact with DESPITE being full tools/consumables. When I loot them, I got nothing (of course, since I'm full), and can't loot them again the whole game...

[tidal grove]

XDXDXD

[tidal grove]

I will take a shot where you can never pass without being shot when it comes out in that area, since you cannot avoid the ducks without getting into the water.

3 times in a row error in survivor mode pfffffff

[vestal mica]

So many problems

never fixed

Spawns in trial are still terrible

[unborn smelt]

you can tho ? the way i understood you just don't want to take the neccessary detour to avoid ducks

even in scupper you can just stick to the landmass and approach from the top and left/ish side

[tidal grove]

That output is very bad. In port reeeker and in the church they don't have to dodge anything, just wait to kill you while crossing. I say this because there are already several times when they kill you crossing the pass between the two towns. Even if you decide to go into the water to scare away the ducks, someone could still come and kill you and in that area you are very vulnerable. I'm playing, when I get out there I'll send the screenshot and explain it better

[unborn smelt]

the thing for me is - if i think the area is too dangerous - i simply don't go there

there's plenty of ways to go around it, or one can take a risk, and do it anyway to be faster. decisions like those are what creates fun gameplay to me, where as readily available cover low risk pathways straight from A to B don't quite cut it for me

And it's absolutely fine to have a differing opinion from this - As people do enjoy diffrent kinds of things

Like if we look at scupper in it's current state

pretty much all the red marked areas have plenty of cover, at the very least visual but also hard cover and lots of dry land to pass without significant watery areas.

Only the green one is very risky as it's so open

but then again you don't really need to cross that green area, depending where you come from you can opt to either take the safe approach from Port Reeker, along the wooded hill in the west, or if you come from the Chapel area you can take the dry path to the east near the map border and either approach from the ruined houses, or rotate all the way to the north to approach from there.

[hearty glacier]

@tidal grove me too

[unborn smelt]

In Bounty hunt there's plenty of time to rotate and choose your route (or plenty of time to be gained if you took the gamble to cross the green area and won)

and in Quickplay (Sole survivor) you can take the risk without any repercussions as you don't loose anything if you don't win, unlike in Bounty hunt

[tidal grove]

friend. I'm talking about the experience and not about the game of a casual player. I have 9k hours, I know what you're talking about and I understand the way you see it. I know what you mean, the problem is that people are not going to complain because people don't care what you do. Because whatever we say is of no use in most cases. It may be fun for you and frustrating for others to have to go out in that area.

[unborn smelt]

yes absolutely. Never claimed anything diffrent.

[tidal grove]

Despite everything, I love your game, although in the last 3 years you have lost many veteran players due to the lack of content. A hug and I wish the best for the future

[unborn smelt]

I'm not a dev, just a volunteer mod - so not my game, and the game has changed a lot which also cost it some dedicated veterans.
Realistically there's only so much you can meaningfully add before people burn through the content

I know the feeling of having exhausted hunts content - been there, know many that been there too, still i too wish for Hunt to keep going strong even after the years it's managed to go through

I do wish you a great day still

👍

[frigid folio]

@pearl summit your team MMRs are the same. Meaning your MMR score (not stars the actual score) combined, averaged and then the modifier applied is the same MMR bracket as that team. Which that could mean is your 5 star is on the high MMR end of 5 star, where as both of theirs are 1 game off 4 star or your 4 star is close to 5 star, or anything along those lines really.

That teams MMR also had a modifier applied for being a team of randoms though. Random team mates get a modifier to vs slightly easier teams to make up for the fact they can't communicate any way other than through VoIP. You can tell by the little down arrow between the team # and team match mmr

[pearl summit]

Ya ya. Explain me more pls. I'm playing this game since beta. So pls...

[queen jungle]

And yet you don't seem to understand how matchmaking works. @frigid folio is correct and there is nothing wrong in your screenshot.

[pearl summit]

I understand how it works. But I will add about my feelings. Previously, SBMM worked better. Because now a very large number of players play at 4 and 5 stars. And considering that the system has not been updated for several years, it looks outdated and does not adapt to current realities.
Now in the game you need to have 10 stars, instead of 6, and reduce the amount of MMR that you gain or lose during PVP. I play at 5*, after losing a few fights I get dumped at 4* and I’m the only one playing against hunters with 3 or 4 stars. When playing a duo against a trio (at the moment) it feels like we are playing a trio against a trio. I have something to compare with. Those. the system seems to add us an invisible 4* player. And i.e. How is it possible, under the current system, to adequately match a duo of 4+5 against a trio of 4+5+5?

[radiant river]

The amount of stars doesn't matter, it's all based on a hidden MMR number in the background anyways. The stars are just a visual guideline

Sure the game could put you against a trio of three 4*s and then those people would die to you and complain they're being put up against 5 stars "abusing the duo MMR reduction'

I agree it's too volatile though I think everyone does

[unborn smelt]

I think it's hard to say if it's really to volatile, or if that's just a feeling people get because defeat and victory are weighted diffrently in how er percieve them

there's absolutely a good chance it's indeed to volatile, altho then again it being somewhat volatile is what makes the ELO style system more flexible and more accurate than for example KD

As for how our brains weigh victories and defeat diffrently, I've experioenced people regularly kill two out of three enemies, but feel like it was a big defeat if they got wiped by the last.

[radiant river]

Being able to go from the top to the bottom in a few hours is too volatile

Obviously that rarely happens but in theory it easily can

[unborn smelt]

after the last changes i tried that once

with intentional deranking

it took ages

and i skyrocketed straight back up when i stopped deranking on purpose because i was obviously overly skilled for the rank i was doing

Now ofc that doesn't meant it's definitevely like that all the time

that was just my experience when i tried it in the past

[radiant river]

A person's skill will almost never change as much as the current elo system allows their MMR to (relatively quickly)

Sure you'll go back up quickly after intentional or unintentional mass deranking, but I see no reason the game needs to be so volatile and allow that to happen

Like MMR is probably just better if it's slower to rank up or down

[unborn smelt]

Personally i had quite big diffrences, depending on things such as how much sleep i got or if i played a game with a diffrent sensitivity recently

the less volatile the less fast the system can adapt to changes like those - but it also makes intentional deranking, and unlucky/lucky spikes in MMR adjustments less "spikey"

For me it's hard to judge which of the two might be more important as i lack actual data - but i think a good case can be made for either side

[radiant river]

That's true but that's also a factor in other games and those don't have nearly as volatile ranks. But also Hunt's ranking isn't a real competitive ladder but just a number to base loose sbmm off of, so maybe it's fine

Like you can have huge rank swings but the sbmm is already not strict so you might barely notice any difference in who you're against

[unborn smelt]

Yeah i think really good cases can be made for either side

not even trying to saymaking it less volatile is an overall bad thing

Just kinda pointing out that people then need to expect the game to screw them over even more if they have a bad day

[radiant river]

Its current state makes it less of an overall skill indicator and more of a current skill indicator

[unborn smelt]

because i won't adjust down as fast as before for example

[unborn smelt]

That's exactly what it's supposed to be tho

Afaik it was never meant to be a ladderboard kind of thing like other games do have in ranked

the job of the system is to exclusively measure your performance in PvP, and match teams based on their "averaged out" PvP performance as fairly as it can with the limited ressources on each server

it's kinda like if ranked matchmaking in a game like dota didn't adjust based on win or loss, but on your last few games KDA

[limpid chasm]

except my MMR has gone up with zero kills on a solo bounty extract so thats not true, it is not strictly pvp based.

from 4-5

[unborn smelt]

yes it is

it however updates with a delay

so you most likely got the kills that ranked you up in one of the matched before

In the past there we're lots of ways to actually look at the exact MMR you had (the number that's behind the stars rating basically)

and that usually updated with a delay of "one game"

[limpid chasm]

ive dropped 7 kills gone up, then died once and the next game its back down, I dont think there is any reasoning to it really XD

[azure dune]

@vernal axle That spin happens on partial reloads that you animation cancelled. It is 100% within your control if it happens and when it happens. If you let the partial animation finish you would not need to spin it later.

The idea behind it is it's a fancier animation for repositioning the cylinder so all the live bullets are lined up instead of a mix of live and spent bullets.

[weary fox]

#game-ideas message

The spinning of the cylinder is to punish you when you do not let the revolver chamber the next shot after stopping at a reload where not all the rounds in the cylinder are swapped out for live rounds.

If you are 'rechambering' a new round like you're supposed to, the spinning won't happen once you pull the gun out of your holster again. Alternatively, if you don't want to face this issue, you can either, run chain fan instead of any gate loading revolver OR run a small shotgun instead of a pistol OR run a semi auto pistol ie, the Bornhiem or Dolch.

The spinning in there is a somewhat realistic way to line up the shots in the revolver so you won't have a random mix of live/spent rounds, unless you fancy playing Russian Roulette of course.

[blissful jackal]

must not be doing a good job

easy as hell

go throw solo games against lower stars and nec yourself a bunch

in terms of not throwing its still to volatile

when im 6 stars and die to a 4 star andy i already know theres a huge chance im deranking because you lose so much mmr

[blissful jackal]

i would also argue this system just straight up doesnt work

ill be triple 6 star stack and will see multiple teams with multiple 4 stars sometimes

based on average mmr of the teams but sometimes there is just simply a vast diffference

[radiant river]

Yeah but any serious ranked game won't have it work like that

Before you even get into whether the sbmm is enough, or the issues with matchmaking, you need to have a functional elo system that accurately determines skill

And it's by no means easy to do that but I see no benefit of the current volatility.

[blissful jackal]

#game-ideas message @weary fox burning faster and more often forces players to not sit in bushes unless they are willing to let their teamate die

also fuck traps the less traps the better

[weary fox]

Trappers already have it quite rough, I don't think it's really fair for them. You can quite literally jump over any tripwire, which idfk why it's in the game but I digress.

[blissful jackal]

or you can vault into a window and get bugged from the conc wire and die

[weary fox]

As for the burning, it's still not really fair for the other team. If you are the one inside there, downed and dead, you wouldn't want to see your body burnt immediately. And you can't generalize the entire community as sitting in a bush

[blissful jackal]

how is it not fair

[weary fox]

If I was your teammate and I've ran out of chokes due to extinguishing fire, you're dead unless I can get in

I can't really do much

[blissful jackal]

they died. its on them.

play more as a team? push and help him?

[weary fox]

So you're punishing the entire team because one person wasn't equipped to deal with the defenders properly?

[blissful jackal]

promotes more aggression rather than being passive

well no, your team is getting punished because a player on your team died

doesnt matter if he "wasnt equipped"

[weary fox]

Like I said, 1 man down is already quite heavy, imagine I basically get infinite lanterns on top of that, I can just keep throwing it onto your body

[blissful jackal]

choke it

[weary fox]

Out of chokes

[blissful jackal]

then you have more time

[rotund obsidian]

as much as i hate traps, i think the constant instaburning is worse

[weary fox]

Chokes come in a 2-3 package.

Fuses/flares comes in 3-4

[blissful jackal]

you are out of chokes (must have wasted them). okay, then push and help him

[weary fox]

I'm a riflemen and the defenders have 2 buckshot dispensing buddies

My buddy is the only shotgunner and he is burning away

[blissful jackal]

yeah so nothing changes

i run rifle exclusively and run into this problem all the time

[weary fox]

And I am extremely hesitant to push in if I was in your position

On top of this, bounties are supposed be the ones making the moves

[blissful jackal]

they did. they killed your teamate, and are burning him

forcing you to either let him die or push

[weary fox]

I still wouldn't push in because we lost our only shotgunner

[weary fox]

I'll honestly leave him for dead

[blissful jackal]

then thats the pinnacle of the argument, you disagree with the fact that flare gun makes you get punished for having your teamate dead

more so then the bounty taking 15 seconds to find a lantern and do the same thing

[weary fox]

That's why I said flares should not instant burn

You can't punish me because my buddy died

[rotund obsidian]

That 15 seconds is important, though. That's 15 extra seconds i have to stop my buddy from losing an extra bar

[weary fox]

It's unfair

[blissful jackal]

considering he chose not to push i think lil bro is going to burn out anyways

[weary fox]

My buddy already lost a bar, you're going to make me lose one because my buddy died?

[blissful jackal]

yes. thats how they win.. by making it unfair... by killing you..

[weary fox]

You do realize that shotgunners vs riflemen, 12g shells tend to be better at close range

[blissful jackal]

sounds like your buddy with the shotgun shouldnt have pushed in

[weary fox]

If I know that one of em moved to find a lantern, oh! He's in my sightline! Bang! He's dead

[blissful jackal]

if they have 2 shotguns they clearly have the advantage, and your buddy pushed in anyways, therefore your team was punished for it

[weary fox]

But with flares and fuses, oh! He's on my buddy body! Oh.. he's burning....

[rotund obsidian]

shotguns are just giga boring. fights either end nearly instantly or are dragged out until somebody gets bored

[blissful jackal]

you throw both items, grabbing a lantern isnt a right of passage into a free kill

[weary fox]

So... Our team is already punished for losing 1 man, making every fight a 2v3 now and my buddy who went down also lost a bar... You're going to punish me by making me waste resources trying to extinguish him?

[blissful jackal]

thats entirely what choke bombs were put in the game for

[weary fox]

It can potentially land you a kill, that's the difference, with flares and fuses... Yeah not so much

[rotund obsidian]

i think the focus with the flare debacle shouldn't be specific scenarios. the issue should be that you are now getting burned instantly in EVERY close to medium ranged scenario

[weary fox]

And then I run out of chokes, Oh! He still has flares! Damn!

[blissful jackal]

chokes last how long? 3 mins? sounds like that aggression i was talking about is starting to make sense..

[weary fox]

The flare burn from medium range is also quite frankly extremely stupid

[rotund obsidian]

the risk of my teammate getting downed inside compound and just repeatedly burned 8 times is even more reason not to push into shotguns lmao

[blissful jackal]

could also necro him while hes on fire

[weary fox]

How do you want to fight a team of pellet dispensers with 2 guys that are running pistols for close range?

[rotund obsidian]

guess we're playing more games out to the timer

[weary fox]

Necroing is also a coin flip at most. And if he does get up, he could potentially go down within seconds

[weary fox]

This right here

[blissful jackal]

shoot them in the head? this isnt about how to fight shotguns 101 its about fighting for your teamate or letting him die

[weary fox]

And you're confident you can 100% of the time shoot that man in the head? When he only has to body tap you

[blissful jackal]

no, but if my teamate is getting burned and im out of chokes im going to play aggro for his body

[rotund obsidian]

no thank you i won't push into certain doom if we're punished even harder for that first death guaranteed. I will wait outside for 40 minutes. This is the meta now i guess.

[blissful jackal]

true you should just alt f4 when you hear a shotgun

[weary fox]

Flares and fuses burn doesn't even change anything, you would still sit outside waiting out the entire match, because let's be honest, are you going to go in big balls when the other team has a unfunny 12 gauge pellet dispenser?

[weary fox]

That's quitting the game, he's still playing

[rotund obsidian]

no im gonna sit outside for 40 minutes to make it as unfun as possible for them too

[blissful jackal]

and how does that relate to flare gun

[rotund obsidian]

this isn't a game it's a waiting contest

[blissful jackal]

you guys are just complaining about shotguns at this point

[rotund obsidian]

i do hate shotguns, that's true

[weary fox]

Because flare/fuse burn doesn't add anything to the game? It just causes more unhappiness for the community as a whole

[rotund obsidian]

but instaburning is boring outside of compound fights too

[weary fox]

Even in compound fights, chances are, you're gonna just run out when you hear shotties

[rotund obsidian]

i don't think burning and chokes should be this back and forth chore for every down.

[weary fox]

Oh and this is why I bring small shotguns, so I can fight situations like these

Quartermaster is a lifesaver sometimes

[weary fox]

Even when throwing chokes, you need to expose yourself sometimes, chokes are the safer option, not the safest, which is also another punish for the team who needs to choke their dying teammate

This is ass, you punish the team who took a risk and paid the price already, now you're just kicking the dog when the dog is already on the floor crying

[opaque comet]

yeah but people can jsut sit inside with traps perma if one pushes out im instaburning i don't give a shit

it just speeds up fights

[radiant river]

yeah thats the problem

not the flare gun

its that shotguns are insanely advantaged if you dont have your own

i do think the flare gun could burn slower

[rotund obsidian]

I think not every fight needs to be sped up. If it's on the longer side, lanterns are usually an option, and firebombs exist. The fights that need to be sped up already can be.

In the same situations, at least (someone is downed)

[opaque comet]

i don't know about you but i don't want to waste a consumable slot just to not get turtled for 20 minutes

i'll just extract at that point

[rotund obsidian]

lanterns aren't consumable slots brother

[opaque comet]

not gambling on rng

[rotund obsidian]

firebombs are just a guarantee and a convenience

[opaque comet]

so is flare gun

[rotund obsidian]

that's literally the entire point. It's too convenient. You get too many burns too freely.

Using a consumable slot is the downside previously, and it was a fine one.

[radiant river]

if it had 1 shot would you still say that