feedback-discussion

[queen jungle]

@stark prawn absolutely agree, ptfo should be the only thing that matters and not kills

[crystal plume]

I agree with removing KD, but not the over dramatization of the game dying if it doesn't happen 😄

If anything points like that undervalue the core idea

[queen jungle]

Yes of course that's over the top. But I think I've just stopped seeing that part because of how many things were/are supposedly killing the game and it kept growing

[stray echo]

remove or reduce the amount of tripwires you can use

shits making the game more campy than it already was

[crystal plume]

I'm fine with traps by themselves, I just hate the idea of being able to combine 2 specific ones for an almost guaranteed kill combo

[teal parcel]

Let the fire melt concertina

[queen jungle]

@teal parcel Please add a detailed description to your post in #game-ideas explaining what exactly it is you would like to see added to the game and why others should support your idea.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah, I bring in antidote every time because Id run into one way too frequently.

I dont know what they could do to nerf that because it's going to mess up the balancing for either one

[crystal plume]

I feel like they could just make it so that you can only place another trap in a X radius away from another one

And then focus on balancing them individually

[signal mural]

Personally I don't think removing K/D would change much, other than forcing people to sign up for a tracking app if those stats matter to them.

If they remove the post-game wrap up kill stats then the ability to report players is thrown out the window. I think just not allowing people to see other players' KDA would be enough.

Traps are too easily avoided and countered as is... I don't see a reason for a nerf.

[stray echo]

this what im saying

team of 3 with bounty just camping with shotguns and every enterance trapped

basically every game i get into at this point

[tardy quartz]

it's quite the investment (loudout-wise) to run two traps - and it significantly reduces recovery after a fight, restocking on tools/looting - I second the suggestion about running antidote shots. If you spot them, you can shoot them - poison cloud from trap dissipates very quickly now and wire can be blown up, shot or smashed. there's also Vigilance (if you do find traps very problematic) - also, no one is forcing you to push into a lair you don't want to push into. Disengage and intercept somewhere else

[crystal plume]

I'm afraid it's never that simple

But I'll just agree to disagree

[stray echo]

its meta for a reason tho. Yes its counterable but its still an incredibly boring meta to play against

[tardy quartz]

it not being simple is what keeps the game fun ... to me, at least

and it's not meta either (at least not in the matches i get into) - I see a concertina'd lair maybe once in a dozen games

[stray echo]

90 percent of my games i see a team running double trips

[tardy quartz]

"a team"? so one player among 12? - that's the opposite of "meta"

[stray echo]

in a 1 bounty game obviously only the team that kills the boss is going to be trappng the building

they get bounty and just wait in a dark corner until they hear their traps get disarmed or set off

makes playing as a solo infuriating

boring ass play style

[tardy quartz]

I'm sorry to hear most of your games turn out that way - that's not how it tends to unfold for me, neither in trio nor duo matches

[teal parcel]

Good

[stray echo]

tripwire user detected

[crystal plume]

@onyx lodge Just FYI your plan will be considered spam so I'd advice against it

Reach out to #customer-support regarding your issue if you haven't yet

[tall peak]

@queen jungle seems like Crytek fixijg issues in the game is low effort too.

[queen jungle]

If you think so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson dirge]

I love that the mods and devs just egg it on. they don't actually care, they just enjoy arguing about it

@flat owl what is the instaburn thing? I have heard this term but I don't understand what it means.

[tawny meadow]

It's when someone get downed and instantly set on fire by any means - lantern, flare and such

[onyx lodge]

I’m sorry if this comes over as threatening, but if you and/or the company you work for prevent me from talking about this issue that I and so many others are dealing with then I will contact the Stiftung Warentest and have them force Crytek to fix this issue. I am so sick and tired of not being able to play the game I paid 40 bucks for, just because Crytek refuses to fix this game breaking bug.

[crimson dirge]

is that new?

[tall peak]

at least they do a better job on the discord than the devs do on the game 🤷

[tawny meadow]

The term itself is as old as the game, and back in the days it was considered not polite to instaburn people since there were no choke bomb to prevent burning, you could only stop your teammate from burning by pressing F on the top of the body. Nowadays we have choke but we have a lot of stuff to set people on fire too and some could use a little tuning

[crimson dirge]

ahh okay. I have just heard it a lot recently. I thought maybe it was some new mechanic where you were somehow on fire faster than before. I assume people are just talking about it more because of flare

[tawny meadow]

yeah i guess so

[crystal plume]

I do not work for Crytek, I simply enforce the rules we have in place here that you have also agreed to by joining the server

[crimson dirge]

@oblique laurel really interesting point. I'd love to see gun and ammo utilization data if they collect it. I would wager there are guns that almost never get used anymore with the new economy. I know my personal arsenal has narrowed a lot since I don't have to think about hunt dollars anymore.

[vital fractal]

Not gunna lie, there’s no reason for most players to force themselves onto ultra budget economy loadouts with the recent changes

Free hunters are pretty easy find with loadouts that’d be around $350-450 HD normally

And then we have the huge discounts on loadouts that include avtos, nitros, dolches

[queen jungle]

@onyx lodge Please use #troubleshooting if you experience issues with your game client. #game-ideas is for new feature suggestions only.

[vital fractal]

In fact, the more expensive the loadout, the better the discount is- which is kinda weird

And I know that’s how percentages work but like

[crimson dirge]

@vital fractal my loadouts average over 1000 and I die a lot. My money just keeps going up.

[vital fractal]

Same, before I never brought in Avto or nitro

[crimson dirge]

what is this about discounts?

[vital fractal]

Now I am sure I’ve supplied half the players in the game with one and still am net positive

[vital fractal]

The hunters have a %25? Discount over the cost of the loadout

The recruitment*

[crimson dirge]

ohh, got it okay

[vital fractal]

Yeah, its really made the economy actually have no value

Which is unfortunate, what they need to do is undo the price changes to the lower class weapons they did a while back

Give lower tier hunters a better discount over the higher tier hunters, and make the free tier/tier 1 hunters have very limited options (no more free hunters with Lebels, come on) to provide an incentive to actually save up some money and use it on tier 3 hunters with better perks as well

Like free hunter no perks, tier 1 1 etc etc

Something needs to change because honestly, there’s no reason to NOT pick a tier 3 hunter at the moment

Or, controversial change, get rid of the economy and institute another form of loadout restrictions….

[crystal plume]

@prime ibex As you said yourself, less likely to happen, not impossible to happen 😄

You should always pay attention to your surroundings, especially when spawning in

[prime ibex]

I did. Nothing happened until I got to the clue. Then the clue went red and 2 other teams we're turning me and my teammate into a man sandwich.

[flat sandal]

nooooo, more economy 😄 one that is less forgiving but can largely be ignored. Sounds weird but that was the case with a really old B game named Crimecraft Gang Wars. Can't help but thinking that the whole way it works would fit super nice for Hunt. I played the game for 100h before starting to get interested in all the stuff it had to offer. You could just play all the game modes just like in Hunt now but could also go way deeper, form Gangs, hang out with ya peeps, grind to upgrade your hideout, find stuff, sell or auction it etc. etc. Best thing was daily and weekly Gang wars (turnaments) with a ranking and rewards and all. A gang could even "own" a map location, defend or conquer it and what not.

[manic plank]

But the game is not building up a gang and hide out. It’s hunting monsters

[flat sandal]

the core of that game wasnt either

[flat sandal]

what's your point exactly?

[manic plank]

Ok saying this isn’t that type of game. You don’t make clams and houses you hunt and kill

[flat sandal]

what's wrong with having a kind of social hub in hunt with players you are kinda associated with in game, in some sort of group?

if you are not forced to

and if that existed, why not have a system to compete against other groups?

or we have an endless stream of skins until the game withers and dies 😄

and 100 guns to choose from

[manic plank]

There nothing working with it it’s just not for this game

[flat sandal]

my point is, at some point something else has to come otherwise it doesn't go anywhere

[manic plank]

We can still get new maps and bosses

[flat sandal]

why not tho?

[manic plank]

How would it fit the lore, what reason does it have

To be there

[flat sandal]

of you played the game long enough the adrenaline rish is just gone correct?

[manic plank]

I’ve played over 1000 hrs and my heart still race sehen I get into a fight

[flat sandal]

compete against another group in brinfgs that back

[crystal plume]

I personally don't think it would be worth the resources to develop

[manic plank]

Compete in what way

[crystal plume]

Would be cool, but not really needed

[flat sandal]

so same old forever?

[manic plank]

We already compete with each other in the base game

[flat sandal]

it would fit the lore easily

not gangs of course

but factions exist

[manic plank]

But compete with each other in what way

[flat sandal]

I mean I could probably brainstorm 100 ideas but that would have to be fleshed out of course

[manic plank]

But give me a specific example. Bc we already compete with each other in the base game

[flat sandal]

to start with something basic based on the existing modes

if it's supposed to be lore friendly just imagine what would happen in this world with hunters from across the world streaming into the region, idk

[manic plank]

You still haven’t answered my question

[flat sandal]

which one?

compete how?

[manic plank]

Yes

[flat sandal]

is this a fight? couse it isn't allowed :;D

I am responding to it

[manic plank]

I don’t want to fight but I do want to chat about this idea and if there is a way to implement it. But I can’t critique it if you don’t answer, compete how?

[flat sandal]

would have to be a sort of turnament over several rounds wrapped in lore^^

[manic plank]

Tournament where you do what

[flat sandal]

with bounty hunt it's hard but can perhaps be done

worst case you play 5 rounds with the same ppl and the winner is the one with the highest bounty

or all three maps all three bossed

[manic plank]

We actually have esports hunt showdown

[flat sandal]

esports hunt?

never heard of it

[manic plank]

Yup

https://escharts.com/tournaments/other/bayou-bowl-iv-hunt-showdown

[flat sandal]

well now imagine everyone would see that ingame

[manic plank]

You can just watch that though

[flat sandal]

and hunters yould be renowned^^

[manic plank]

You want to mix apex legends and hunt

[crystal plume]

Are we making the argument that watching something is same as playing it yourself?

[manic plank]

You can enter the tournament if you want l

There is nothing stopping you

[crystal plume]

Bayou Bowl also plays in a very different way, at least with the latest ones

[flat sandal]

I will have a look, just wondering how it's done.

[crystal plume]

Since they have to work around the game's lack of built in support for tournaments or such

[manic plank]

I don’t know how it works but it’s there. There is esports hunt

[vital fractal]

Esports is not a healthy effect on gameplay tbh

Things start to get balanced for the benefit for higher ranked players and for competition/tournaments

Rather than actual enjoyment of gameplay

see: Rainbow Six Siege< 👁👁

God what a waste

[flat sandal]

I don't think hunt is esports material

[manic plank]

I never said it was good. Needing out wanted to know if there was tournament like thing already and I was trying to support my claim that there was

Nerding*

[flat sandal]

well, still convinced something along those line would be a great fit. always felt that way since there is an economy already, it's just really boring

[manic plank]

Just wondering, you want an in game lore tournament. Not esports

Like the apex death games

[flat sandal]

sometimes I don't understand why so many people don't like their favourite game to evolve into something greater^^ I already build in the caviat that one can ignore it 😄

[manic plank]

We like the game for what it is not what it could be

[flat sandal]

what I actually want is an aha sim^^

[manic plank]

What is that

[flat sandal]

the aha?

[manic plank]

Yes

[flat sandal]

the american hunters association

lore and stuff

[manic plank]

I don’t read the lore

[flat sandal]

me neither

not the event ones anyway

[manic plank]

I don’t read any

[flat sandal]

how did you know that it wouldnt fit the lore? 😄

[manic plank]

Well all I know is that the aha hires mercenaries to hunt the monsters. The problem is that how would you make it a tournament

[flat sandal]

idk, it would just nice if the actual gameplay would mean more by what you do in between

forget the word tunament

[manic plank]

Well what do you mean then.

[flat sandal]

they compete, call it a competition^^

[manic plank]

But it’s a battle Royale game, it basically is a tournament

[flat sandal]

there are factions within and outside the aha afaik

[manic plank]

You know each other out of the running by killing each other

Well I’m saying is it’s not a competition it’s a job

[flat sandal]

not sure I wanna go there^^

there are factions, they compete

[manic plank]

The faction compete not the hunters

[flat sandal]

point is, you would go into a match against ppl that you potentially have history with

I mean you would need some sort of leagues as well otherwise it's just for the uber players

it's just a thought^^

[manic plank]

Then just rewrite the lore to make you have history with other hunters, not make a whole new mode that would be expensive

[flat sandal]

so let's talk about my question^^ is it just new cosmetics, guns and maybe 2 more maps and that's it, forever?

[manic plank]

New bosses

[flat sandal]

in that case I might as well stop playing now

oh and bossed

[manic plank]

I would t be opposed to that

[flat sandal]

really?

[manic plank]

When you start adding new modes it start to be come other hands

Games

We play hunt for what it is now, a gory extraction battle Royale

[flat sandal]

nah, go big or go home

[manic plank]

If you change it’s base genre of game it not hunt any more it’s something new that I didn’t buy this game for

[flat sandal]

also, you can still do that

the core gameplay of the game is too good to be wasted on just that

[manic plank]

Then instead of adding to this game just make a whole new game, call it hunt: (new name)

[flat sandal]

and why not have hunt: showdown exist within my new game?^^

[manic plank]

Bc it’s already too big

To many gigs, when a game is more that 70 gigs it’s too big

[flat sandal]

different folks different strokes I guess

that's awefully limiting

[manic plank]

Well I don’t have infinite storage

[flat sandal]

remember the size of games 15 years ago

[manic plank]

I’m 16 I do t

[flat sandal]

imagine ppl would have said this then^^

[manic plank]

Don’t

[flat sandal]

well then let me tell ya^^

[manic plank]

Well assuming the new game is also 57 gigs it would be 114 which is way to big

Cod mw2 was over 110 and took up 1/3 of my storage

I don’t want that again

[flat sandal]

oh okay

[manic plank]

So I I downloaded it

Un*

I’m not opposed to the new game, it’s when it doesn’t fit the base genre why is it in the game then. Just make it a new game and build off of that

[flat sandal]

I mean having the option to form groups and compete as a bare minimum isn't exactly super crazy

[manic plank]

So you want to add clans to the game

[flat sandal]

the menu needs a reeeealy big overhaul anyway

it's a bunch of features

sort of

[manic plank]

They announce their doing a ui overhaul

[flat sandal]

and custom games

half way there then^^

[manic plank]

All ui btw

[flat sandal]

actually, a bounty hunt with just two groups would be cool

[manic plank]

Custom games could work, but lore wise probably not unless you make a new map just for practice and make it have a captured boss or something

[flat sandal]

like 6v6 or more idk

[manic plank]

I like the idea of big team@battles

10v10

[flat sandal]

just for the competition to not further cause issues though

see, there we have it. Done^^

[manic plank]

No money reward just for fun

[flat sandal]

it's a playerbase problem though

[manic plank]

How do

So

[flat sandal]

it's a problem for match making

[manic plank]

To many people to look for is that the problem

[flat sandal]

like, if you add a 10v10 mode. it splits the players further.

MM seems already be at it's limit if you can believe the reports

and it competes with things like custom contracts and stuff

[manic plank]

Mmr sucks kind of

[flat sandal]

not for me

[manic plank]

I said kind of

[flat sandal]

I never ever, ever have a problem ever^^

[manic plank]

It’s a nice idea it’s just finicky, add more stars to make it more specialized per person would fix it

[flat sandal]

stars are meaningless afaik

the matchmaking works with elo rating brackets I think

so you have more then 6 already

MM is just hard to do with a game like hunt

also, there are ppl whose job it is to deal with that stuff. I always assume that they know way better then me 😄

[manic plank]

Elo in theory works but it’s people who circumvent the system that makes it not work

And there will always be those people

[flat sandal]

yeah things could be done on that front

but first the engine update^^

anyway

heading to bed

good talk 😄

[manic plank]

Good night

Anybody else want to debate on anything

[plucky plover]

Stop the flipping burning hinters thing i am struggling to get dollars one kill burn, sit and shoot me when i try to get up if zero mmr is available this is where i am heading . Its ruining the game for average players.

[manic plank]

We burn you to force you to get up and to also kill you

If we didn’t burn y out we’d sit there the whole game

Also maybe don’t get up

[crystal plume]

@plush mesa If your performance doesn't improve from lowering your settings then you are probably cpu limited

[plush mesa]

ı did everying with nvidia settings, xbox gamebar, steam , even windows graphic settings

i dont know in hunt ı dont use gpu limit i use even %90 of my gpu even dosent change anything

@crystal plume

[hot vigil]

@prime ibex I know I'm being pedantic, but minimize ain't equal to removed it all together.

[teal parcel]

The obvious MMR fixes aka not reducing MMR for chain death necro spam and separating MMR in different game modes have not been implemented in years, hence nobody cares.

[fossil tinsel]

@ashen silo appreciate the helping efforts of trying to get the flour bomb a thing

[signal mural]

@weary fox I actually think the Legendary Hunters having special intros or stances with their Legendary weapons is a pretty great idea. Even from Crytek's perspective it would be a good investment because it would create an additional incentive to buy the Legendary counterparts.

With the increase in Inspection animations I think it'd be funny to hear (client-side only, as to not give audio clues as to where you are) a grunt of appreciation - when they inspect their treasured weapon of choice.

[hot vigil]

@weary fox
The issue ain't that determination is too weak. The issue is that stamina shots are too good.
Why spend a trait slot for a trait that improves stamina regen when you can just buy two stamshots and not worry about, stamina regen + having max running speed forever + infinite melee.

[signal mural]

Because when running some loadouts using 1-2 consumable slots on Stamina shots isn't worth it compared to the other options. I honestly just don't want to have the trait cost increased for then having to pay for Vigor which I never use...

[hot vigil]

I mean, you get packmule, then the first lunchbox you find gives you 2 consumables.
Sure you can roll bad and get two alarmbombs. But in my experience your odds for getting a frag or something else useful is quite high.

[signal mural]

@prime ibex Spawn fights were never promised to be removed. There's always gonna be a potential for a 2-3 team spawn fight. Especially if people go looking for them. My mate always checks a neighboring spawn. They are better balanced in terms of placement - not perfect but I don't think they can be without creating overly generic load-in locations.

[signal mural]

All I'm saying is it's loadout and playstyle dependent. I don't sprint or melee a lot unless I'm running CQC loadouts. Determination gives me consumable spots to take C. bombs or Hive bombs... Stuff for traffic-control and self-revive denial.

[hot vigil]

Mjah, honestly, think that most throwables is very optional.
You can work with whatever you get handed from the loot pool.
Like worst pull (imo) would be like a chaos bomb and antidote shot.

[signal mural]

That being said Determination is rarely a top pick Trait, actually often refunded unless I'm running something bayonet/talon.

[hot vigil]

Same, and if I wanna melee I'll just pick 2 stam shots as I said haha.
Bc it is just better to roll two random throwables for the upside of infinite stamina.

[flat sandal]

then I want a creepy moan from the kid when instecting ash and ember 😄

[signal mural]

If only we had unique Legendary Hunter vocal pitches... 😂

[flat sandal]

yeah

want the granny

[signal mural]

To be fair we have at least two other long-range choke options that most players just ignore: choke beetle and choke bolt.

[flat sandal]

I love the choke beetle

it has so much utility

I am weird, I'm running choke beetle and chaos bomb every game atm^^ it's actually pretty good and fun

I'm burning right now 😦 and my team mate is super scared

[signal mural]

He needs a choke beetle 🪲

[flat sandal]

indeed

it's good for that, scouting and I imagine would be good to help your shotgun buddy push in some cases. also it's reusable

and can zone

also agroing monsters and ratteling chains^^

scaring crows

🐞

[ashen silo]

Np man , its actually a great idea . Idk why i hasn’t been released yet

[flat sandal]

after the engine upgrade^^

some say it's too much of a performance hit but we actually kinda have that already with the poison cloud and the black smoke from dynamite

and also the choke cloud.

[crystal plume]

Most of the things that people claim to be engine limitations are not

People just love to spread that narrative

[flat sandal]

yeah figures^^

on the other hand, there is hoping that there will be more performance head room. I guess currently it would be a bad idea to add ever more stuff.

like, proper new stuff

they also mentioned to show of the new tech with the new map so there has to be some truth to it if that would currently not be possible

[ashen silo]

Exactly. They used to say the rain weather is too much for the engine too , but here we are

[crystal plume]

We had rain already back in crysis

[ashen silo]

Ikr

[crystal plume]

So I have no idea how people came to that conclusion

[ashen silo]

On console , even the new gen , game needs optimization and graphics upgrade .

Sux half the times

Like pixelated grains and veggies or textures not loading on stuff

Its looking awefull

[flat sandal]

but keep in mind that in a semi competitive game you really have to make sure that the performance in as good as possible so a lot of trade offs have to be made

just for ppl to play the game as ugly as possible anyways

hope there will be a prettier minimum with no option to reduce render distance

cause, at least for me, hunt is a lot about the atmosphere but if you have to make it ugly to compete, it sucks

[signal mural]

I thought the only thing that was strictly limited by system capacity was players per match and AI density. But maybe that too was all hearsay...

[flat sandal]

what do you mean by system capacity?

those things sound like server but idk

in that case, you couldnt crank it up a lot as the gunplay would start to suck

so the netcode will hopefully be improved a lot

[signal mural]

Engine or server... or rather both... I think in low-populated servers you can actually see higher AI density spawns sometimes. It's not something to assess the probability of a PvP encounter on but yeah...

[flat sandal]

I doubt that they programed something like adaptive ai density in but it would be kinda neat

[flat sandal]

that sounds actually right to me. nice smoke clouds would probably be mainly client side, they could cause a lot of issues with individual client settings though (just guessing here). So what everyone sees could vastly differ, getting that right may or may not depend on an engine upgrade

anyways^^...

remember the rain on amd issue^^

[signal mural]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Inferno Wildcard was their first stress-test for balanced performance on new environment assets and they did actually optimize some elements to make it possible, opening up the possibility of future environmental effects (Rain, Ash Bloom, etc).

[queen jungle]

@flat sandal #feedback-discussion refers to the name of the section, not just #feedback 🙂

[flat sandal]

gotcha

change the section name then 😛

[queen jungle]

@visual shadow You can report playes in QP in the post-match screen just like in Bounty Hunt

Look what you made me do to check this

[flat sandal]

@signal mural that wasnt 100% intentional, if i emember correctly it was when cheat death got used basically. it helped though

[tawny meadow]

Good point

[signal mural]

True it might have been DeathCheat. Does the new burn trait Death Cheat do that now?

[flat sandal]

no I think tokens were used up back then, that's what made the sound

[signal mural]

#game-ideas message

Is the idea unclear or did this suggestion just get buried that no one's voting on it?

[inner smelt]

do not delete my massage, i didnt not break anyrules. this is feedback channel right. we should able to talk and tell our opinions. if you guys are too worried abut it then do something about it

[inner smelt]

just keep players their own region and servers, we dont care how much player they have, is that enough or not. if there is not enough player thats their problem. dont allown they to ruin our games

[signal mural]

You're posting in #feedback-discussion not in #feedback, where your feedback belongs. You also need to follow the guidelines for posting Feedback, ie: using a "Title:" and "Description:" header to the applicable parts.

[inner smelt]

fck it what ever, i am already pissoff

[manic plank]

If there is nobody on their servers where are they supposed to play

[signal mural]

Not me, because my ping (40s) is decent on RU servers and has no issues but on my local servers I have a fluctuating ping (15-30) and a laggy, poor, experience that can sometimes just choose to turn into a rubberbanding hell.

[reef violet]

@hidden smelt I’m interested to know why you dislike the current availability on body burning?

[hidden smelt]

It's just too much. Beforehand you had to search for a lamp or bring a firebomb. Even fine with the Firebeetle. But now you just take a flaregun and you are golden. Burn three times on distance, go to a ammo box and do it all over again. I think it's just too much. "But now the flares and flareguns are used at least" i hear you say. Tell that to the spyglass. 😉

[reef violet]

Yea, I personally think it’s a good thing because it forces action by the remaining team members if they want to save their tm8. Also adding uses to tool that didn’t have any before is not detracted because there are still tools that aren’t used.

If anything I feel like it increases tension and adds more impact to team mates going down

[hidden smelt]

Sure, but before, the team that burns had to do a bit of action too. Now they can just sit and camp the dude even more until the burned dudes team used all their chokes. I hadn't the feeling it needed even more ways to burn people.

[plucky plover]

Driving me mad got a £1000 left and evertime you fall they cook me on the barbecue

[inner smelt]

dont care not my problem, and coz of connection and their ping my game fun get rip off, guy was trade with me while his character on the ground ? so its better to keep them away from other servers

[manic plank]

They bought a $40 game and not play it. Don’t keep them on their servers make the servers better.

[inner smelt]

that the thing crytek must care about, but they dont them or us as always

[manic plank]

You seem to be xenophobic

[inner smelt]

dude i am get rid off it, dont wanna payback their own shtt thats it, those guys trade with us while their body on the ground so what do you want me to feel. pls stop unnecessery argue, have a nice night

[manic plank]

Why, that’s crytek’s fault not theirs

Also please use Grammar I can’t understand you

[inner smelt]

i dont care and pls stfu.

i didnt say anything on them i am talking at official dc. so why you are so serious about it?

attention guy??

[manic plank]

What, you wanted me to stfu. Do you want me to shut up or not

[inner smelt]

shut up pls. this is not about you and i dont care your opinion. i just mention my problem on official thats it

[queen jungle]

Alright, let's remain civil.

Everybody is entitled to comment on any feedback given by other players.

You could just not engage in a discussion if somebody comments on your posts.

[manic plank]

I agree but he’s being aggressive

[inner smelt]

i just mention my problem didnt ask any thing to any body so, he just answer me back so thats why i am anger, but alright i am done with it

[manic plank]

So your angry that I responded

[inner smelt]

i am angry to your respond way. coz you dont know what was the chat before it was deleted. as i said what ever pls leave it

[manic plank]

Does anybody think that there is too much ai in the game. I headshot one guy then I was about to kill his team mate but two zombies got in the way and he got the chance after panicking to kill me.

[queen jungle]

Nah, AI is already less than it used to be

If anything I'd want the old spawn rates and the old, stronger AI back so it has more of an impact

[weary fox]

Why are trade windows even a thing in Hunt? Is there some inside joke I'm not getting? There have been many times where I shot the guy, I see his body start to physically fall but his shotgun also fired and I get a full dose of 12g buckshot.

[weary fox]

Thanks for your feedback :)

[queen jungle]

A shot only affects you if it was fire before your bulled hit the other player. This is determined and validated by the server.

[weary fox]

Strange. Since usually they fall but the shot still comes out of their gun. This is especially common with people running Shotbolt or ball lance. Shotguns are less common and infrequent but still occur. And when they do, I tend to get confused.

[weary fox]

Thx, I just thought Legendary Hunters despite looking cool should be more than just... Looking cool so

[hot vigil]

Most games have it.
Just more noticeable in Hunt due to a couple of reasons:

• Hunt have very slow firing, high damage weapons, so it is more noticeable as you can basically track every bullet. Compared to am FPS where we hose down 30 bullets in 1.5 second.
• Hunt's hit reg is client side (ofc confirmed by the server side), so if you shoot at a high ping player, they might shoot you back before the server have sent the information that they are dead. Usually most games have server side hit reg, which means that a high ping player would get their bullet deleted as the server always sees them as dead before they fire their shot, even tho on their screen they were still alive.

[weary fox]

I'm still quite salty over the dude falling over and dying but his gun is somehow able to fire

I love it when I'm pumping the Specter's next shot but oops, he had shotbolt and I see a face full of pellets flying into my face

[hot vigil]

For sure, the game also have quite the large window of 800m/s.
The issue was a lot of people complained that they would see them hit a guy square in the chest, but the game wouldn't give a hit marker.
So Crytek increased the window.

If the game had server side hit reg, then it would lessen the trade somewhat and severely punish people who plays high ping.

[weary fox]

I've been hearing about cheaters from the Asia region moving over to NA West or some other region, maybe the server side hit reg can punish them? But then again, they're probably using ESP or Aimbot

[hot vigil]

Well, there is myriad of issues with long distance play. But cheaters will be cheaters no matter what you do.

So not sure if that would affect them anyways.

[weary fox]

Cheaters are scumbags that ruin the game for other players

If cheaters didn't exist then there wouldn't be a need for companies to invest in an Anti Cheat, that money can be put into other issues LIKE THE SERVERS

[hot vigil]

Well, no matter how good servers we have it doesn't matter if Crytek have their hit reg system and their willingness for high ping player be able to play.

That said, to my knowledge, the servers are quite low tick-rate, which also affects some situations where you'd get information delayed and people will shoot you as they falling on their arse.

[weary fox]

Crytek moments

[hot vigil]

Again, have had a hard time to confirm it myself, so be a little weary about it.

[unborn dagger]

Honestly Crytek genuinely should add in match intros like Chivalry 2 and Modern Warfare 2019. Nothing that special just having our hunters leave a horse carriage, get out of one of the boats, or just walking in.

[tropic plinth]

They give (If my maths is correct) 6 levels.

6 levels a week?

thats is without battle pass

which only gives you a bonus of 1 extra level

The problem is I shouldn't (No one should) have to spend 5 hours a day to rank up twice, especially if you are on certain servers such as Oceania which has no body playing it

[hot vigil]

This very much an issue I have with the challenges too.
If you just face bad luck it can take forever to complete challenges.
I'm not even talking about bad luck such as getting killed or rolling a harder challenge such as melee damage.
More the fact is that some rounds you just kinda don't see any people to do your PvP challenges, which pays out the most (4 points a round if you do both).
Sure you can do the PvE challenges too, but they pay out half the amount and can SUPER rng reliant and I've sessions where I've had the same PvE challenge for 8+ rounds because I couldn't manage to run into latern grunts or even worse, the boss getting banished before I could even be near the bosslair to either banish or locate the bosslair.

It is insane how swingy challenges can be, some weeks I get them done in like 5-6 hours other weeks 12-16 hours.

[vital fractal]

So shot bolt can pen a metal sheet but shredder nitro can’t?

And it does more damage than base nitro?

What the fuck crytek

I need to know the name of the exact employees coding the Pen of each weapon, so I can discuss why this is wrong

[steel comet]

Nitro shredder is op, they decided to Nerf the pen since it had everything to be a straight upgrade from base ammo.

[vital fractal]

It can’t pen a single sheet of metal

That’s a bit much

Even base nitro does 72 to the chest point blank through 1 metal sheet

That’s ridiculous for such a large cartridge no?

[steel comet]

I think the benefit of an absurd onetap range is more than enough

The recent nerf to shredder wallbang was needed. You could get easy one taps through brick walls when someone revived a bounty holder.

It was weird it had better damage retention through walls than base nitro.

[steel comet]

Most people don't even notice that since everyone's running the straight upgrade, shredder ammo.

Uppercut deals full damage through a metal sheet while base nitro loses most of its damage

[hot vigil]

Shredder is stupid and still being the only Dum Dum that can pen is already good enough.

Even if it cannot pen metal

[steel comet]

Well they finally fixed it, can only pen wood now

The pen damage on nitro shredder was insane, you could one tap people through brick walls

I wouldn't mind if all nitro ammo was just 40m one tap (upperchest, remove the stomach one tap). Make people focus on double taps or headshots instead of cheap kills.

[vital fractal]

I mean come on, what’s the point of nitro penning brick though if it just tickles the person it hits?

[hot vigil]

That it can?

[vital fractal]

You seriously believe that means it’s ok?

A metal sheet is more cover against a nitro vs a FMJ Lemat

Or a basic long ammo

[steel comet]

It's quite frustrating to feel safe behind hard cover that no weapon in the game can penetrate and someone happens to wallbang you with shredder.

[vital fractal]

That’s the thing, it doesn’t

[steel comet]

That's basically why it got merged

Nerfed

[vital fractal]

Good luck wall banging beyond a small wooden wall with shredder

And base nitro is pathetic with its pen damage

[steel comet]

No it's been like that until they recently nerfed it

[rotund obsidian]

#game-ideas message @flat sandal do you mean like this?

[vital fractal]

Yeah, I get that for shredder but for base

It should be better than long

And it honestly isn’t

[rotund obsidian]

wasnt shredder just bugged to pen metal better than normal for some reason

[steel comet]

I looked back at the nitro dumdum patch notes (when it was released) and the idea was base nitro = pve
Dumdum (now shredder) = PvP

[vital fractal]

But now we have explosive Nitro

Which is the PvE ammo now

[steel comet]

No it was bugged, when they nerfed it, it still had the same pen values as before until this event started.

[vital fractal]

So, that leaves base nitro as antiquated as it sits

And explosive ammo even more obsolete

[steel comet]

Base nitro is still considered the boss killer, not the explosive one

[vital fractal]

Say that to the butcher

And the spider

2 shots

Compared to 4

[steel comet]

Well in reality every bounty is a free kill by just meleeing it

[vital fractal]

Exactly, so having base nitro so limited because it’s “PvE” is not correct any more

The pen is just

Abysmal

[steel comet]

There are still design choices where some stuff does better in pve.

[vital fractal]

Still, don’t see why the nitro pen is actual garbage

Like we have explosive ammo which has been ignored and forgotten forever- but at least on nitro it does good for PvE

Why not have Nitro Base be the FMJ of nitro and shredder as nitro Dum Dum as it sits?

[hot vigil]

Ah I might have misunderstood the point you were trying to make

[steel comet]

Right now and ever since it was added, there really isn't a reason to run anything besides shredder on the nitro.

[vital fractal]

Sure, but now that shredder pen is abysmal- maybe base pen can be actually useful allowing a good choice

[steel comet]

But nitro is such a weird weapon. Long distance one tap kills isn't really a fun gameplay mechanic

[vital fractal]

I mean no one likes getting headshot either from 100m but, it’s here

So either way, making Base nitro pen well wouldn’t be long distance one tap

[hot vigil]

Think Nitro, like dolch, Avto, is just one of those weaposn we cannot have being true to its nature for the sake of balance.

[vital fractal]

It’d be within 42m, and even less since pen would reduce the damage a little bit

Avto Pens better than nitro lol

And even then I hold nitro as the better rifle

I’m just saying, Base Nitro should have better pen

Way better pen

I’m not saying go through 5 brick walls

[steel comet]

It's more forgiving than that since it one taps on both stomach and upper chest.

[rotund obsidian]

doesnt it already pen pretty much everything but metal pretty well?

[vital fractal]

Within 42m, and no object blocking it

[vital fractal]

But doesn’t do damage beyond them

Sure it can pen a brick wall, but how much damage does it do?

Hell, a single metal sheet- 72. At point blank.

What’s the point

[rotund obsidian]

I guess it matters more at further ranges, since iirc it can oneshot through anything but metal, and up to 3 walls if it's wood

[vital fractal]

Let’s say a nitro can pen 1000 brick walls

What’s cool about that if it only does 1 damage after the first wall?

[rotund obsidian]

it still oneshots through a brick wall at close range, doesnt it?

[vital fractal]

Id have to test again, but I don’t think it does

After I saw the metal results- I put away the base ammo

[rotund obsidian]

yeah idk why the pen is so horrible against metal, but i think it pens everything else just fine

[vital fractal]

See that’s the thing though

Most material is metal or wood

[hot vigil]

72 damage thru metal sheet up close :)

[rotund obsidian]

i just opened the cornf spreadsheet which is outdated now for shredder but it shows lethal through 3 wood walls and thick brick

[vital fractal]

Less than literally any FMJ or long by a mile

[rotund obsidian]

but loses most of its damage through a single metal sheet

[hot vigil]

To be fair, FMJ is also overtuned and busted

[steel comet]

That's fine then tbh

[vital fractal]

That’s actual garbage lmao

[vital fractal]

And true

FMJ needs a rework

It’s a straight upgrade on compact

[rotund obsidian]

idk about busted but yeah its kinda stupid

[vital fractal]

Especially Lemat now 👁👁

[steel comet]

If it has good damage on everything but metal, let that be it's niche

[vital fractal]

How is that a niche

That’s just an egregious oversight

Considering wood+metal is a very common cover

[steel comet]

Idk, nitro shredder is basically without pen.

And why let something have everything

That's what made nitro shredder broken

[vital fractal]

Because its presented as such, and no that isn’t

The 72m ohk did

[rotund obsidian]

I wish we'd get some of the details from crytek about penetration. I'm pretty sure the ability to pen is affected by the range (at least, in some cases), but i'm not sure if it affects the damage loss through the surface or stuff like that

[vital fractal]

And even then, Enh- wasn’t that common in my lobbies

[vital fractal]

It is, no pen for shredder at 40?m

[steel comet]

Yeah they added that with the nerf

[rotund obsidian]

not just for nitro, but for pen in general

[vital fractal]

Yes, I’m just saying in relation to the gun at hand

[steel comet]

Base compact loses pen pretty early

[vital fractal]

So, if they could- make base nitro not suck against some of the most common material cover in the game- that’d be nice

I’m not saying make it ohk further, make it cheaper, or give it more ammo

[steel comet]

I think fmj is fine when it comes to penetration values. That's what it was basically made for when they added it to this game

[rotund obsidian]

I think WITH the increased falloff, the pen is a little nuts though

[steel comet]

Well what's nuts is the increased falloff innit?

[vital fractal]

FMJ adds overtly the best pen, damage drop off resistance, and slightly lowers MV for those guns that benefit the most from it

[steel comet]

No one touched fmj when it only increased the pen

[hot vigil]

Making compact go from compact pen to better than long ammo pen is kinda busted haha

[vital fractal]

A good side grade as it should’ve been

[rotund obsidian]

Is compact fmj overtuned, or is base compact just garbage? same with medium

[steel comet]

Well I'm saying is that fmj giving better pen values shouldn't be removed. That's it's original purpose

[vital fractal]

Now there’s no reason to have base compact 👁👁 sounds like the nitro argument no?

[rotund obsidian]

i mean yeah its overtuned but also base is garbage

[vital fractal]

No one is saying FMJ shouldn’t have better pen than base

[steel comet]

The fall off being better is weird

The velocity is slower

[rotund obsidian]

I think the pen should've been reduced slightly when they gave it better falloff

[steel comet]

Why not the other way

[vital fractal]

FMJ should pen better than base, and slower mv

[rotund obsidian]

?

[vital fractal]

That’s all

[steel comet]

Or rather was fall off buff needed

Yeah like grog said

[vital fractal]

Personally though

That’s not enough imo

If someone chooses FMJ

[hot vigil]

Mjah, compact is compact, is suppose the worst quality ammo.
Not to say Long Ammo could use a little overhaul, but in general I think compact is in a good place, just long ammo that makes it downside felt way more.

[vital fractal]

It’s for pen right?

So instead of making it a straight buff to compact

[steel comet]

I think honestly it's for the increased fall off + better pen

[rotund obsidian]

I take it for the falloff, pen is just a bonus

[vital fractal]

Make it due slightly less damage before pen, but quite a bit more after pen (compared to base) due to lack of deformation before pen- like spitzer logic

[steel comet]

Also if fmj gets hit everyone will probably only use HV since that one is strictly a straight upgrade. There's no downside

[vital fractal]

Exactly, which is why it shouldn’t be there

[vital fractal]

HV should get a small nerf to pen, not like dum dum but less than base

Lighter projectile and all (I know I know speed is what makes pen but it’s a game)

To make all ammos have good ups and downs

[rotund obsidian]

Compact loses no damage through a single wood wall, so i'm not sure how that would work. You want a bullet to gain damage by penetrating a wall instead of losing it?

[steel comet]

Right now, fmj benefits body taps greatly and HV gives good velocities at the cost of nothing

[vital fractal]

No comparing damage of base pen and FMJ pen

[hot vigil]

The increase in recoil can affect some guns, but it ain't too much of an issue for sure.
But HV was also a mistake to add to hunt so there is that.

[rotund obsidian]

Yeah so base and fmj both lose 0% damage through a single wooden wall.

[vital fractal]

So like

Base 91 (wall) 75
FMJ 83 (wall) 83

[rotund obsidian]

Base 100 --(wall)--> still 100

[steel comet]

Most weapons in the game resets recoil before you can fire again.
HV could probably work if it had a real downside

[hot vigil]

As I said, "can affect some guns".
Like I sometimes don't pick it for the Officer Carbine or Nagant P, bc the fire-rate is high enough to be affected :)

But giving HV to Springfield was silly

[steel comet]

Officer carbine and dolch are "semi autos" so you can go in and out of irons to combat recoil.

There's stuff in the game that just lets you have the benefits without any downsides.

[hot vigil]

For sure for sure

As I said, HV was a mistake

FMJ needs to just upgrade the pen/fall-off profile to the bullet above.
So compact becomes Medium and Medium becomes Long.

Ofc with MV reduction.

[rotund obsidian]

mfw compact fmj is upgraded to medium falloff (no change ) and medium penetration (also very minimal change lmao)

that reminds me why is medium pen so atrocious

[vital fractal]

Yeah it shouldn’t

[rotund obsidian]

nerf compact fr

[hot vigil]

Medium falloff is different than Compact falloff :)

[rotund obsidian]

by a pretty miserable amount

[hot vigil]

No, it is quite the difference :)
You retain way more damage from 20m to 40m compared to compact :)

[rotund obsidian]

Those are.... either outdated or just rounded to a pretty insane degree

[hot vigil]

Nope

Pax at 45m

Winfield at 45m

[steel comet]

This is correct

[rotund obsidian]

I'm comparing a springfield to a winnie and winfield 0.5 is at 60m, and springfield 0.5 is at 74m

[steel comet]

Though pistol have different retentions to rifles

[hot vigil]

Yeah, but it was the only two that share the same base damage haha

[steel comet]

About pax though

They need to fix headshot damage, the only fixed uppercut since people only complained about conversion Vs uppercut

Pax and true shot fmj got less headshot range than conversion fmj

[rotund obsidian]

At 40m, winnie is at around a 0.72 and at 40m springfield is at a 0.8ish

[steel comet]

It's basically the uppercut problem

[hot vigil]

Sorry what are you on about?

[rotund obsidian]

The multipliers for damage at certain ranges? Did I miscalculate?

[hot vigil]

Medium has 0.9 modifier at 40m

[rotund obsidian]

I'm questioning the accuracy of the graph, so if that's where you're getting that from, that would be why

[hot vigil]

Remember that base damage displayed in with a 1.1 modifier

As it damage dealt at 10m to the chest.

[rotund obsidian]

Ah. Well, the graph uses 1, so.

[hot vigil]

Ah yeah true

But yeah they did buff compact damage drop off once

So this graph might be slightly incorrect.

But nevertheless, you do retain more damage over distance with medium ammo.

No matter if you think it is enough or not :P

[rotund obsidian]

i mean yeah im just sayin that graph is HELLA exaggerating it

the range where you deal half of normal is 60m on winnie and about 74m on medium

As much as I love fmj, it's only because of how weak the dropoff is on compact/medium anyhow. If base ammo falloff for compact/medium got buffed to match current fmj, I would probably still take FMJ just for pen though.

or if fmj got reverted to only buff pen, same situation. I take it mainly for falloff, but pen is still worth the mv drop in most cases imo

[hot vigil]

The difference between the graph and my own calucations is that the Winfield deals 7 more damage at 40m :)

[rotund obsidian]

it doesnt help that the graph looks rounded to the nearest 10 meter interval for most of the breakpoints instead of just being an actual graph of the numbers

but putting that aside, even some of those are wrong, like the 0.5 for compact being at 50m instead of 60m

[hot vigil]

Again, compact got a buff a couple of years ago

That said, medium drops to 0.8 and not 0.9 at 40m

[steel comet]

Do you think it's from when Winfield dealt 80 damage to upper torso?

Or which compact buff

[rotund obsidian]

Yknow what, I'm wrong about the dropoff at least. Compact fmj dropoff would probably feel pretty much the same if it were just matching base medium

Although the change in pen would be atrocious

[steel comet]

I think most pen is atrocious when compared to long ammo.

[rotund obsidian]

Medium is like, worse than I thought. And i thought it was pretty bad

[steel comet]

Being able to reliably pen in most situations with long ammo makes the rest look like wet noodles.

[rotund obsidian]

It's literally the same as compact, except it loses less damage through a second wood wall

[steel comet]

Medium ammo fmj got bonkers pen.

[rotund obsidian]

Compact drops to 40% after 2nd pen, medium only drops to 80%. Medium fails to pen a 3rd wall still though

medium fmj pen is honestly still pretty similar to compact fmj though

pens the same surfaces with moderately better damage retention on later pens

[hot vigil]

That is why the 30m meme is real haha

[steel comet]

Medium fmj pens more than long ammo

And compact fmj is similar to long ammo

[rotund obsidian]

compact fmj pens slightly better than long, at least close up

still goin by cornf's chart here

[steel comet]

I've gone for double metal sheets wallbangs with medium fmj with good success

I've had weird builds like krag + pax fmj before trueshot was released

And used my pax to pen people over the krag

[vital fractal]

Where are the player numbers for console

I need to know

[rotund obsidian]

Seven

[vital fractal]

I don’t know why crytek doesn’t release them

Would be a useful statistic

How hard would it be honestly

If halo 3 could do it

Hunt can

[hot vigil]

Little to gain except if they are stupid huge

[steel comet]

Does Sony/Xbox show player numbers like steam does?

[vital fractal]

No

It doesn’t

Or at least from what I’ve been told

3rd party sites says

15k as of a hour ago

On the proper platform

BRUH I SEARCH IT UP AND IT FINALLY MATCHMAKES

It knows, It KNOWS it has no excuse

[steel comet]

Are you queueing for a game?

[slim wedge]

Flares doing a full burn to dead hunters is BS. Fire ammo doesnt do any! Hunt needs to change Flares to half burn and slow

[hot vigil]

Doesn't dragons breath burn too now?

[rotund obsidian]

I'm curious as to why you think a full burn is BS? What impact on gameplay would you be looking for with a half burn or a slower burn?

[frozen crater]

@obsidian sun #feedback message You think the hunting bow needs a nerf?

lmfao

AND you think the crossbow as a whole needs to be removed??

[rotund obsidian]

bro thinks the bow oneshots at 60 meters thats crazy

Anyone know the actual range? I'd say offhandedly that it's like 25-30 to upper chest at full charge but i could be way off

[obsidian sun]

Just the explosive have no problem with the rest of it.

[hot vigil]

I mean that is what makes it well.. explosive haha

[obsidian sun]

@hot vigil wow you bring so much to the conversation.

[hot vigil]

Well, nothing much to add with such silly takes.

You can find issue with the expo-bow, fine and fair, but stating they "ain't good for the game" is just too unuanced and doesn't really show great confident in why and so you think such.

[signal mural]

It's 10 pips of 750... which means 7,500pts from weeklies per week alone. Between the daily Dark Tribute bonus of 200pts and just points from the in-game grind, Signee, & Select Legends you can easily make 10k per week. You need 50k to complete the event, 65k if you want the bonus trinket. That means most players can easily finish the Event in 5 weeks of play, while the Event runs 8 weeks. That's excluding double event point Community boosts which I believe we've had 3 of now.

If Oceania servers are as dead as you claim then it would be exceedingly easy to grind thousands of points, especially during double points events.

[obsidian sun]

@hot vigil your friends from this game under 5k? No, make a friend instead of smart ass remarks. This is a single projectile shooting game. Here's a weapon that you don't need to aim and doesn't seem to have any drawbacks. If that needs explanation then you are to dumb for this and should see yourself out

[hot vigil]

Ah yes, that is why we have the rampant explosive Crossbow meta.
Explosive Crossbow have plenty of drawbacks.
Not quite what your point is about 5k friends.

Also technically most shooters are single projectile games.

But I assume you talk about low fire rate.

[rotund obsidian]

I think explo crossbow can be frustrating to play against, but is it overpowered? no. Do I think it should get nerfed? yeah lol fuck that thing

at best, i'd make bolt thrower not work on it tbh. I could see that applying to all crossbow special types though, not just explo

[frozen crater]

Ok that clarifies it a lot

Explosive crossbow is so poorly designed but it doesnt warrant the crossbow to be removed

I completely disagree with you on the bow though, that thing deserves 0 nerfs whatsoever.

[rotund obsidian]

bow is fine i agree

[weary fox]

"Nerf the Bow".
Crown & King Slugs: Am I a joke to you?

[rotund obsidian]

yea that shit is crazy. I wouldn't mind a pass over all the slugs, it's dumb that it's just barrel length and nothing else

[hot vigil]

Honestly don't really care for slugs on the Cringe.

Do love penny

[weary fox]

I've gotten my ass handed to me from ~30m when the guy decided to tap me twice with clown slugs. Not fun.

[weary fox]

Slugs in general kinda need to be revised, it's a scam on certain guns while absolutely needed on others. That's my take though

[hot vigil]

For sure it is part of the major ammo update I would wish for.

• Medium Ammo
• Long Ammo
• Custom Ammo
• Slugs

Yes slugs is custom ammo, but they are in a league of their own

[weary fox]

Medium ammo? You mean the neglected middle child

[rotund obsidian]

47 meter two tap range btw

[hot vigil]

Yes hahah

[weary fox]

HAHAHAHA. SHOOTS FASTER THAN A KRAG

WHAT

[vital fractal]

I mean you get

9 shots

and spend

[weary fox]

Brings ammo boxes

[vital fractal]

$730 HD

[weary fox]

Money isn't an issue after the most recent Hunt update imo

[vital fractal]

For a two tap rate that a carbine can give you

[weary fox]

I can lose and still make money, no joke

[vital fractal]

It’s literally mimicking the performance of an officer carbine, just that it one taps at 14.5m to upper chest

But only has 9 shots

[rotund obsidian]

I mean yeah but it's a shotgun that can oneshot to 15 meters. Even if it dropped off incredibly steeply and only twoshotted to like <25ish it'd still be viable as a oneshot machine. the 47m twotap is just a bonus to the versatility

[weary fox]

You get a, OHK at close range, something a Carbine can't do unless you're aiming for head, and a THK at longer ranges, where carbine needs 3 due to fall off

[vital fractal]

Yes but you’re spending $730 to get a SHOTGUN that can be decently versatile at medium range (which is the purpose of a slug) but with the huge downside of

Only 9 slugs, and custom ammo

[weary fox]

You can, compete with shotgunners and reliably push into areas you can't with a Carbine, and compete with those rifles when you see fit. Yeah slugs on clown isn't that... Well thought out

[vital fractal]

Also, a TTK outside of that 14.5m that’s similar to an Officer carbine…

Yes, the long barrel shotgun with slugs can ohk short range I don’t see an issue with that

[weary fox]

Sadly boss, the ammo shortage is mitigated by, you bringing an ammo box, your teammates assisting you in ammo boxes, Scrapbeak.

[rotund obsidian]

I'm spending $130 to upgrade my spam shotgun into a monster that can doubletap at almost 3x the range of normal with a minor ammo penalty

[vital fractal]

3x of what ammo? Buckshot

[rotund obsidian]

yeah

[vital fractal]

The same ammo you SHOULDNT BE using outside of effective range??

[rotund obsidian]

yep

[vital fractal]

That’s like complaining Pennyshot is too erratic

[rotund obsidian]

? I'm not complaining that buckshot is too weak

[vital fractal]

No you’re saying slugs are overtuned essentially

[weary fox]

Yeah, let's give a shotgun the ability to compete with rifles, seems balanced!

No wait...

That doesn't seem right

[unborn gyro]

PSA (reading through feedback) - VPNs do not allow people to get around ping lock. If VPN lowered ping we'd all be on VPN.

[rotund obsidian]

yep. It turns a shotgun into a shotgun that works past the effective range

[vital fractal]

Compete with rifles? That’s taking it a bit too far, it’s a worse performing rifle

[unborn gyro]

That said -- ping limits in this game are far too high. They need to be lowered.

[weary fox]

Still a rifle

2 taps at 40+ meters

Vetterli, Winny series, any long ammo rifle

[vital fractal]

Guess flechette makes the Drilling a 1 shot rifle 💀

And a 2 shot rifle

All in one

[rotund obsidian]

It performs better than rifles within 15m

[weary fox]

You do realize the difference between the cycle rates of Crown vs Drilling right?

[vital fractal]

Because it’s a shotgun, with a long barrel

[hot vigil]

Think it does help circumvent ping limit tho, bc the game reads you are on closer server that have the right ping.
But I am unsure.

[weary fox]

For $130 upgrade, I get a rifle that can OHK at shotgun range and 2 tap up to 40m

[frozen crater]

Since the shotgun barrel length update/shotgun resupply nerfs I think slugs are fine except in the sole case of the crown and king. Absolutely stupid that the fastest firing long barrel shotgun gets access to a 5 slug magazine with the only hinderance being its 133 sway and cost

[vital fractal]

You realize how insane it is to think that because the crown and king can two tap out to 47 (again with well placed shots) with only 9 that it’s overtuned

[rotund obsidian]

Yes, it is not a rifle. It will not perform as well as a rifle. It is a shotgun. Slugs shouldn't make the gun viable that far outside of the normal effective range is all im sayin

[unborn gyro]

The only way that works is if the game allows a server based on stated proximity and not ping. The two can be very different.

[weary fox]

The issue is, one is a shotgun, not a rifle.

[vital fractal]

But is it really that bad though? No- it really isn’t, the handicaps are so noticeable

[hot vigil]

Yeah and I recall it does that

[weary fox]

A shotgun, get this, is supposed to be effective at close ranges only

[unborn gyro]

Then yeah that needs to change.

[weary fox]

I know it's quite hard to grasp but, a shotgun isn't supposed to compete at rifles at rifle range

[vital fractal]

And they are

[vital fractal]

Didn’t realize I was using my CnK for 100m

[rotund obsidian]

It has handicaps but I don't think they outweigh tripling the range you can use it at AND extending the oneshot range

[weary fox]

Oh but wait! Crown slugs CAN compete with rifles at 40m

[vital fractal]

The one shot range is actually set, it’s just RNG

[weary fox]

DAMN! Crytek buff Buckshot to OHK up to 40m RIGHT NOW

[vital fractal]

I mean, if they want to- it’s not like shotguns can’t do that irl-

But nice strawman

[weary fox]

This is a game sadly

[vital fractal]

Exactly

[rotund obsidian]

It just mitigates the weakness that shotguns are supposed to have too hard, with not nearly as much of a drawback as it should have

[vital fractal]

As such their performance in game is acceptable

A crown and king with slugs has a bunch of downsides already after the slug nerf that make it fine

I get how on paper it sounds scary

[frozen crater]

?

[vital fractal]

But in practice it’s not that bad

[weary fox]

Crown slugs need changing because you can compete with a rifle at medium ranges while retaining the benefits of a traditional shotgun for the minor downsides of, lower ammo pool (can be mitigated by ammo boxes) and a slightly worse rifle

[rotund obsidian]

I don't think it's AS much of a problem as i'm making it out to be, but that doesn't mean it's balanced

[vital fractal]

Slightly worse? My guy it’s worse in every way except rate of fire

[weary fox]

Cycle rate*

[vital fractal]

And the top off mechanism

[frozen crater]

I think crown slugs is really cheesy. I think if it were to have a nerf, it should be rated as a medium barrel shotgun rather than removing slugs on it. The gun is just way too forgiving with a gun that can 1 shot 5 times over in 3 seconds.

[vital fractal]

If you are shooting that fast, you aren’t hitting anything with slugs

[frozen crater]

I dont think its range is a huge problem, as most people dont use it after 30m or so (unless youre uber confident).

[vital fractal]

Unless you’re so good, then it isn’t the slugs that are working

[rotund obsidian]

I think slugs should just be reworked on a gun-by-gun basis, there's no reason crown should inherit romero slug stats

[frozen crater]

How does this make sense?

[weary fox]

It doesn't?

[frozen crater]

You can absolutely hit many shots while firing at full firerate. Especially in trios, when you're surrounded by more enemies and need that extra fire rat

[vital fractal]

Shooting something as fast as it possible can shoot doesn’t mean all the shots will connect or that the accuracy will support that “cycle rate”

So how heavily it factors in is in question

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, yeah shooting max speed crown with slugs is hard as shit outside of the oneshot range especially

[vital fractal]

Otherwise it’d be considered higher fire rate = always better

[frozen crater]

Exactly, most players use it within the one shot range

Of course you wouldnt be firing it quickly in rifle/pistol ranges

[rotund obsidian]

that recoil downside doesnt fuck around, but it's really only relevant at ranges where the buckshot would be weakened anyway

[vital fractal]

And that is about 2-3m outside of buckshot at max usually

[weary fox]

Ok the only defence you can bring up is Cyclone, but Cyclone is because of the recoil pattern taking longer to readjust than the cycle rate, Crown probably has an extremely minor case of this too but it's not that much of an issue to completely disregard the cycle rate in Crown's case

[frozen crater]

And when youre within typical shotgun range, visible recoil isnt as much as a problem since youre much closer to your enemies.

[frozen crater]

hmm I need to test this because I was sure crown buckshot was really shoddyu

[vital fractal]

If you’re dead on, I manage well 10-12m

Slug 14m on range

At 13m buckshot I start to lose consistency

But the spread is huge, so that’s why

It performs similar to a slate

[rotund obsidian]

Slug is 15.5m aint it? i know theres some shooting range fuckery with rounding and whatnot

[vital fractal]

14.5 is what I’ve been told stats and it seems to reflect that

[rotund obsidian]

really wish that the shooting range would show tenths of a meter

[frozen crater]

I test a 11m consistent 1 hit kill range with buckshot, and a 15m 1 hit kill range with slugs

[vital fractal]

15m and I start getting 140s

Hmm, strange- and I try to edge my way to 15m

[frozen crater]

crown buckshot cant reliable 1 shot above 11m

slugs deliver almost a 30% 1 hit tap range

oh sorry almost a 50%

upgrade from base buckshot

[vital fractal]

36% by your numbers

[frozen crater]

no youre right

[vital fractal]

But it’s in line with other long barrels because… they are all the same slugs

[frozen crater]

36%

[frozen crater]

except the crown is semi auto and has 5 shots lol

and doesnt need bulletgrubber

[vital fractal]

And you pay for that…

[frozen crater]

youre using hunt bucks as an argument

lol

[vital fractal]

You pay for it also in how you only get 9 shots

And have horrible recoil

[weary fox]

Mitigated by ammo boxes

[frozen crater]

Using hunt bucks is a good argument to temper a guns popularity, not its efficacy

[rotund obsidian]

Other shotguns get a similar slug ammo penalty though

It's just bizarre that the crown gets much more of a benefit.

[vital fractal]

If a gun needs external support, maybe that’s fine? And even shows that, that portion is a weakness?

[frozen crater]

Especially with 1.15 giving everyone boatloads of cash, hunt bucks are pouring into the economy

[rotund obsidian]

Slug range should reflect the buckshot range, not the barrel length.

[weary fox]

It's a pretty shitty way of balancing, price changes are the last resort imo. I mean being honest, the high price only affects newbies and prestiging players and people who lose 70% of their matches.

[frozen crater]

Crown slugs are absolutely busted right now, but Im much more vehement about spitzer rounds needing a nerf

[vital fractal]

Spitzer is fine tf?

And crown slugs are not busted- you push a shotgun with slugs of course you’ll get one tapped

Oh you’re within 47m? How often are players two tapping with a crown from 47m?

[frozen crater]

or at least an adjacent nerf that addresses the stupidity of spitzer/sniper spam from 100m away

LOL

[vital fractal]

Seriously, how often is that occurring?

What’s wrong with spitzer too?

[frozen crater]

Dude I dont know what to say

Thinking both crown slugs AND spitzer are balanced

[obsidian sun]

I haven't been running in to Spitzer at all lately. Crown and king have been popular

[vital fractal]

What’s wrong with spitzer

Literally just say it

[rotund obsidian]

spitzer rewards playing at such extreme ranges where most of the weapon roster just can't effectively fight back

which is just boring tbh

[weary fox]

And shitty

[vital fractal]

Ok you don’t like snipers, that’s not an ammo problem

That’s a you issue

[obsidian sun]

@rotund obsidian vary true

[weary fox]

You're going to punish players because they don't have a sniper of their own?

[vital fractal]

How are you punishing them?

Snipers have an advantage at long range wow

[weary fox]

You can't fight back, it's literally a bullying session

[frozen crater]

It objectively lowers the skill ceiling by making headshotting easier while nerfing its base damage. It also encourages a playstyle of sitting very far from an engagement where counterplay is near impossible without spitzer/long ammo being used by your enemies.

[vital fractal]

Don’t have a weapon for the job, and it doesn’t work? WOW

that’s a crazy concept

Maybe I’ll take my CnK slug to take out the sniper

[wanton imp]

snipers are supposed to be at range

[weary fox]

So you are punishing players for not having a sniper on their team when they encounter an enemy sniper

Well, my friends dead, FUCK HIM!

[vital fractal]

It’s a punishment when the game doesn’t allow a player to cover every single possibility?

[frozen crater]

Spitzer is an omega crutch that doesnt fit the spirit of learning how to lead shots and trades off damage for being able to baby its user

[weary fox]

250m Mosin sniper with spitzer ammo, oops no guns to compete him with, leave him for the dead

[vital fractal]

Headshots are crutches?

[rotund obsidian]

Crazy idea: fair gunfights are fun and engaging, but other playings forcing engagements at certain ranges with such major advantages at those ranges is less fun.

With shotguns it's mitigated by the fact that there are a lot of weapons that can at least somewhat contest them at close range, and with snipers it's mitigated by just running away.

[vital fractal]

Unironically yes, don’t engage- especially at 250m like what

Hell, I can’t even remember the last engagement I had over 150m and I’m in 6* lobbies atm

[frozen crater]

the crutch comes in the form of being able to hit headshots without earning them, i. e. learning how to lead a headshot from a distance

[vital fractal]

You can’t be serious

[weary fox]

That's another factor to everyone running spitzer when they have a sniper

[frozen crater]

Thats exactly what i said when I saw your opinions on crown slugs and spitzer lmfao

[obsidian sun]

@frozen crater how can you say that and defend explosive crossbow. You don't need to aim at all

[frozen crater]

I bet you think nitro shredder is balanced too.

[frozen crater]

reread what i said I hate that thing.

[vital fractal]

With the shit pen it has? Hell yes it is

[frozen crater]

LOL

[weary fox]

You do realize that you need to hit directly on the Hunter to OHK right?

[vital fractal]

After nerf, good position

[frozen crater]

So its ability to one tap a full health hunter up to 60m away isnt cheesy to you?

[vital fractal]

60m?

[rotund obsidian]

It's in a better spot than before but the oneshot range makes it still frustrating to play against, and still seems too much of a buff over normal nitro

[vital fractal]

It’s not 60 anymore

[frozen crater]

It actively rewards body taps and discourages headshots

54m?

[rotund obsidian]

It's about 56m now, right?

[frozen crater]

Sure 56m, my argument stands

[vital fractal]

52 I believe? Either way 52-56 and 6 shots, with the shittiest sights

[weary fox]

4m difference, damn!

[vital fractal]

Clearly 4m is a lot to you

[weary fox]

Clearly you don't know what's sarcasm

[vital fractal]

Nor you.

[frozen crater]

I dont have the energy

[vital fractal]

Good call

[hot vigil]

Think this is best way I can visualize the issue with Spitzer.
Ofc there is +/- scenarios and whatnot.

[frozen crater]

obvious issues that need to be explained simply makes my brain hurt

[vital fractal]

I don’t either, especially after using my CnK slug to snipe the spitzer sniper that wiped the lobby from 400m

That’s the thing though, who the hell is pushing a sniper through clear sight line from over 100m away?

[frozen crater]

now youre just talking in bad faith lmao

[weary fox]

I'm not the one who's defending giving a shotgun the capability to still be effective at 47m via 2 tapping, which every rifle needs to do to drop someone mind you (excluding headshots) . And I'm also not the person defending a 1 shot kill gun that rewards tapping bodies up to 55~m

[vital fractal]

A shotgun that only has 9 shots, horrible recoil, high cost, 5 rounds in the mag, and that between 14.5m-47m acts like a compact officer carbine

[weary fox]

Carbine can't OHK at close ranges unless it's a headshot

Crown slugs can

[vital fractal]

I bet you guys are fine with the uppercut being the best medium ammo rifle essentially

[rotund obsidian]

ammocount is not as huge of a downside as you're making it out to be, especially in a gun that is typically used to oneshot

[vital fractal]

So a shotgun being used within 14.5m?

[rotund obsidian]

yeah

[vital fractal]

I got a meeting with Fifield in a few hours, I’ll bring these points up for you fellas

[rotund obsidian]

9 shots is not a small amount for a shotgun. How many slugs does a romero fully loaded get?

[obsidian sun]

Both slots?

[frozen crater]

Done with nitro testing, it immediately 1 shot a hunter up to 56m away and you can still kill at 58m since the server tickrate is too slow to register you stopping its bleed in time before you lose that last 1 health

[vital fractal]

9, and in a fight when you shoot something that slow of course it feels like a lot

But unless you’re hitting 100% of your shots, 9 isn’t a lot

The Avto 15 in the mag is more than enough by that measure

But people still bring more ammo via sparks and ammo boxes

[wanton imp]

slugs also have terrible resupply

2 slugs per special ammo box. or 5 slugs per ammo box.

[vital fractal]

Why? Because 15 isn’t enough in that gun

[rotund obsidian]

I'd say the avto is a slightly unique case because it is impossible to expend 1 at a time

so really it only gets 5 shots

[rotund obsidian]

that's the normal shotgun resupply

[vital fractal]

Ok, so 5- where all trigger pulls should “ohk” at how far?

And even then

It’s still not

Enough

So, again

The gun itself determines what’s a lot and what isn’t

[rotund obsidian]

romero alamo with slugs only gets 7 💀

[vital fractal]

Romero with 9 slugs? Yeah it’s a lot, because you shoot so slowly- it’ll last

A crown and king with 9? Yeah, unless you’re John wick- you’ll miss, and when you do- it’ll be a dear cost

[vital fractal]

Don’t know why sadly

[rotund obsidian]

alamo kinda is just shafted in general

[vital fractal]

It’s garbage

I wanted to like it

But it’s garbage

[wanton imp]

well it does have romero range

slug shouldn't be used with it though.

you're better off using a specter with slugs

[obsidian sun]

Romero has the same range as cnk or slate or specter

[weary fox]

But has 1 shot and needs to reload after each shot

[rancid pebble]

Nah, the clown and cringe is quite a bit shorter in my experience. Maybe I just got lucky, but that doesn’t seem right.

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, romero and crown both have the same slug range, so theoretically you can be just as lethal, but the firerate allows you to deplete your supply faster. That's entirely your choice to do so, though, where the romero offers you no such choice.

[rotund obsidian]

We were talking about slugs, although jerry's wrong on the slate, that's a medium barrel which gets a lower slug range

Romero, specter, and crown all have identical slug damage ranges

[rancid pebble]

Ahh, thanks for the explanation lol

I didn’t see the prior conversation. Sorry! :]

[desert grotto]

why the hell when i got dc there is no sound after reconnect

[jagged wagon]

Sadly the reconnect feature is extremely flawed, and since it’s “beta” launch I don’t think they have said anything about plans to improve or fix it. A partner dc’d the other day and it took them 20mins and 5 attempts to reconnect, the match was basically over, just had enough time to head to extract and save the Hunter. Sometimes you have no sound, sometimes it fails to reconnect at all, sometimes the character is bouncing around on the spot, walls not spawning in, reconnecting but unable to move ect… suffice to say, the feature is broken.

[dusky tapir]

curious, as I ran into something similar. Did your partner completely shut down and restart HUNT? or were they kicked to the main menu without closing the game, then reconnected

[jagged wagon]

They tried both, and even a full pc restart, I can’t remember exactly what they did different each time, but they did eventually reconnect, almost at exactly the same time that the last bounty team extracted.

[dusky tapir]

I see. Not sure if there is a pattern but it seems like trying to reconnect without completely restarting HUNT is a lost cause

[jagged wagon]

It was strange in their case that as soon as the server emptied, he was able to join again. Almost like the server did not have the capacity for the 12 players. He had been kicked out around 30 secs into the start of the match. It could of course be coincidence, but the timing was crazy.

[queen jungle]

@karmic kettle If the profile is inaccessible, you just say as much. In any case, while additional evidence is nice, reporting players via the report button is usually sufficient.

[humble quest]

@tiny pivot lmao "wouldn't amount to more than a few hundred" there are people who finish the pass week 2. 10 bb per level would be an insane amount of BB for people who play consistently

[tiny pivot]

I appreciate your input and that’s a consideration I’ll have to think about if I bring the suggestion again but I literally refuse to believe that anyone is traditionally finishing the pass week 2 considering it’s 50 levels, and I believe you get 4 or 5 through challenges each week, that’s an absolutely absurd amount of Hunt and I’d love to see some documentation of someone actually no lifing it :P

[humble quest]

They did a double exp weekend like the first week after release. If you bought 15 levels, did two weeks of dailies (14 levels) got 200 from charry every day (1400) you were easily nearly done without even considering what you gained during the matches themselves

With your system they would easily recoup the additional cost of the upgraded pass for those 15 levels

And it's 7000 you get from challenges, 5.5 if you don't buy the pass

[tiny pivot]

Well hey, that’s fair, I didn’t realize those numbers when making my suggestion. I still think my idea could be fine if they adjusted the numbers but I did not realize it could be done that fast, thanks. I think everyone wants more BB in the game but it has to be realistic to Crytek not going bankrupt :P

[humble quest]

They made it clear in a video about the financial situation for why they removed accolades. Those same grinders making tons of bbs from them would be gaining huge amounts from this system and still perpetuates the sea of difference between average player vs grinder

The challenge system plenty of people hate, but it at least makes it so your average player can get their weekly bbs and event stuff in a more equal way

[manic plank]

I like that Banshee idea on the suggestion forum

[vital fractal]

People leaving trios just because the bar is taking a bit to fill up is so annoying

If the bar takes more than 5 seconds to go to “match found” it’s ok to be a little patient

I’m literally stuck

On a fence and a roof thing

By Godard

I can’t move

Fix

Fuck

[vital fractal]

Also, hidden stats shouldn’t be a thing

Why are they a thing now?

What’s wrong with seeing certain stats of a player?

😃

[teal parcel]

Don't want to show my 0.35 kda

[unborn smelt]

People were being very focused on, all the way to downright toxic about them - especially in random matchmaking.

[brazen wave]

Sometimes people just don’t want their stats being seen

[flat sandal]

how can you hide it?

[brazen wave]

Settings

[unborn smelt]

They likely didnt want stats to be overly important to people, and reduce the toxicity surrounding them

[brazen wave]

Yea

[flat sandal]

nice, will do that out of princible^^

boycott stats!!! 😛

[vital fractal]

If they didn’t want that, they can just- not have them at all

But since they are in, let them be shown

[brazen wave]

Some people want to view stats and some people don’t, having an option to hide it is a good compromise

[vital fractal]

What is there to hide?

It’s just a number

Show it, I wanna see it

[brazen wave]

People are very toxic about kda in pubs a lot of times

[vital fractal]

Then why have it in the game anyways?

[brazen wave]

Because some people like to see stats

[vital fractal]

Well they can view their own stats

Just a weird vestigial setting imo

Should show everyone’s stats, or no one’s

[brazen wave]

And some people don’t mind people viewing their stats

[brazen wave]

Why?

I don’t really see the fuss over an option

[vital fractal]

Just odd to have some hidden some not

Doesn’t sit right with me

I don’t think it would hurt, considering people are still toxic over other stats such as prestige or loadout yet those don’t get hidden

[brazen wave]

But why is it odd?

[vital fractal]

That statement is the reasoning

Besides, players are still toxic to other stats- so hiding the player card stats isn’t that effective clearly

Why not make it uniform

All, or nothing

[brazen wave]

Idk I feel like I get less people bitching when I have it hidden

And I have positive kd, so it’s prolly worse for people without positive kd

[vital fractal]

I feel like it hasn’t affected anyone I know, since I haven’t gotten a single message or comment about my low stats in pubs

And I don’t have a positive K/D

[brazen wave]

Idk I guess I mostly just don’t see why it’s a big issue to have that option

[flat sandal]

ah it doesn't hide it from me though. I really want it gone to see what it feels like

most of these metrics are pointless anyway

i think seeing ones own kda actually influences how one plays quite a bit for the wrong reasons probably for the worse

I, for example, go way harder for a kill while others probably go way harder on avoiding death, idk

[unborn smelt]

Why not let people hide their stats ?

[flat sandal]

seems divisive 😄

[unborn smelt]

Noone forcing you to play with people who hide em, and many people, me included really don't like to show stats, just as a principle

[flat sandal]

the only reason I can think of is that it makes ppl more paranoid if someone hides their stats.

[unborn smelt]

Yeah it does to a degree

[flat sandal]

like the deranker debate would get worse probably

as it is I actually don't see many outliers regarding the kda in a certain mmr

you would expect to see high kda players in 3* games, I think

[vital fractal]

On the flip side, why let them?

Toxicity? Still exists in tangible amounts, so that reason is null

Principles? What principles, it’s a game-

Either way, it should be all or none- otherwise it’s just a weird pointless option

Besides, hiding stats benefits a certain population more than others

[flat sandal]

principle cause I want them gone completely^^

[vital fractal]

But we don’t talk about them because they don’t exist 😃

[flat sandal]

otherwise why debate here at all^^

the only good thing is that I know that I plateaued now. Just can't crack my current kda somehow

[teal parcel]

You can't see others stats if you have yours disabled BTW, so its a, tradeoff

[flat sandal]

it's oddly stable

the option should be to opt out for like a month or so^^

this stupid number, honestly

[late quartz]

PvP games will always have some form of toxicity. If you play enough of them for long enough to see changes like this occur, the drop in toxicity is pretty friggin' obvious.

Hiding stats did not fix toxicity or prevent any form of flaming or insults, but it reduces the frequency and prevalence of it.
Handing people free ammunition to make split second judgements about another person feeds into peoples' worst instincts. Reducing access to stigmatized or easily misunderstood information about other players means that players have to work harder to find a reason to be toxic, where as when it's sitting right there the toxicity can come out purely as kneejerk reaction.

If you don't feel that having your stats causes you issues... fine... letting players who'd rather not deal with that possibility opt out of public stats does nobody any harm.

Sort of like saying everybody should be forced to use voice chat or nobody should be able to.
If you're a 20 something white dude with a masculine voice often you wont think twice about using VC. If you're a woman or have a foreign accent for the region or just a high pitched voice your chance of being flamed goes up instantly just for opening your mouth.

Giving strangers online personally identifiable information that singles you out isn't worth it for a lot of people.

Stats are the same way. You don't *get anything *for having your stats visible expect for bragging rights if they're good. If they're mid or even below average all you get is more negativity in your free time.

[vital fractal]

Enh, I disagree- especially with vc since that’s actually comms, there’s hardware reasons to not have comms and such beyond just a simple button

And if giving online strangers personally identifiable info isn’t worth it, why have it all though-

All these negatives, for what amounts to be- just one positive, bragging rights

So either all these negatives aren’t really that bad, or they are

I’m just saying, it’s a controversial take I get it- but still

When crytek has many other problems they can deal with

It probably isn’t the most urgent thing to consider

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especially with vc since that’s actually comms, there’s hardware reasons to not have comms and such beyond just a simple button
Kinda missing the entire point lmao

And if giving online strangers personally identifiable info isn’t worth it, why have it all though-
Some people don't mind having it, and that's fine I suppose. Some people want to show stats, some don't. I don't see why this is all or nothing.

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It’s not missing the point, I’m saying it’s not equivalent

I mean I guess we can expand that to, why let people choose their loadouts when we can all play the same thing?

[late quartz]

You are absolutely missing the point yes. Giving people ammunition to flame you sucks, and so people choose to avoid exposing potentially vulnerable details about themselves

Having a .8 k/d is ammunition. Not being Joe Schmoe gamerman is ammunition.
People get attacked for both as a gut reaction

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I like circuit racing but these are too many circles