feedback-discussion

[verbal marsh]

This guy doesn’t want people to have a second chance after they made a mistake or got cucked by the game being the unbalanced mess it is at the moment

[rotund obsidian]

i kinda hate the idea of a timer forcing a solo to rez but i dont hate the idea of just locking out selfnecro if you die immediately after a rez. like give it a cooldown and if you die before x time has passed, you can't revive again

[verbal marsh]

So we have decided to prevent duo players from reviving their teammates

Have you ever actually even played solo

Or are you just talking purely from your one sided perspective

[slim pollen]

I wouldn't mind it if there was a trait or base kit option to go up to a corpse and spend 20 seconds or so interacting with them so necro can't be used to rez them.

[hot vigil]

( and @rotund obsidian ) Well, I think the smoothest solution is that solo necro only works if you haven't been looted.
And I guess that flag starts as soon the looting animation starts.

[verbal marsh]

I would be all for that if things like crown and king and Avto and fanning and levering didn’t exist

But they do

[hot vigil]

Sounds like a skill issue

[rotund obsidian]

That's a bit too steep, I like the dynamic of someone standing up minutes after a fight has concluded seeking revenge, but only if they weren't clocked as a solo to begin with.

[remote ore]

Now that would be hardcore. Where do we sign

[verbal marsh]

Ah yes, this thing that is entirely skill dependant. Buy big gun. Unga bunga.

[rotund obsidian]

if it were nullified by looting, you'd really only see solo snipers

[verbal marsh]

Yeah

[hot vigil]

But that is the exact issue people have with solo-necro tho.

[hot vigil]

I mean, is much different than people instant burning/trapping you?
You just minimize time wasted

[verbal marsh]

Which is EXACTLY why the game gives you multiple ways to play around it

[slim pollen]

Nobody thinks that's an issue, they just hate waiting to make sure it can't happen.

[verbal marsh]

The issue isn’t that it exists, the issue is that you personally don’t want to interact with the in game mechanics that already exist to prevent it from happening

[hot vigil]

As I said, want to minimize time wasted killing a corpse

[verbal marsh]

Get over yourself, frankly

[rotund obsidian]

The issue they have with it is realizing someone's a solo and being forced to watch them burn out to completion (including selfrezzing at the end of a bar just to self-extinguish and force you to burn again)

[verbal marsh]

Like there’s already so many things you can do to prevent someone from getting back up again that require actual neuron activation

[verbal marsh]

That’s not nearly a requirement though

[hot vigil]

People burn because they wanna eliminate competition, they wanna ensure they don't get shot in the head down the line.
We wouldn't burn a fully looted corpse normally, but the dynamic of solo necro makes it needed to ensure they are dead.

[verbal marsh]

It’s only a requirement if you don’t actually want to play around it

[verbal marsh]

Same reason people use Avto. Does that make it good for the game?

[rotund obsidian]

i mean yeah but if you realize someone's a solo, anyone with a functioning brain isn't just gonna leave em be for no reason.

[slim pollen]

People burn some corpses to make sure nobody else can loot them or take the ammo from the guns.

[hot vigil]

Apples to oranges.
I hate the avto, I think there is issues, but it ain't relevant for this.,

[hot vigil]

Some people yeah, but it is far from the norm.

In my 1.4k hours of Hunt I've never seen anyone do such.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah i burn people who are running obnoxious guns just to take one out of circulation (and to guarantee nobody else picks it up and uses it on me later)

[verbal marsh]

Yea, they’re gonna place a bear trap or concertina trip mine at their feet while they spend ten seconds looking for a lantern and then if they don’t want to ensure they’re out for good they’re going to leave

[slim pollen]

Same here

[verbal marsh]

Because at that point they’ll come back with half health and if you can’t win a fight as a 2v1 against someone with half health then you don’t deserve to

[rotund obsidian]

but like, i shouldn't be able to to do that to like five or six people over the course of a game without thinking or looking for lanterns

[verbal marsh]

Nor should I be able to do instantly

[rotund obsidian]

firebomb does it instantly though, and i've used firebombs for that purpose.

hell i might start taking firebombs again tbh cause i kinda miss them

[verbal marsh]

Especially when that leads to an entire section of the playerbase just not being able to play

[rotund obsidian]

not for burning but just because it doesn't feel as BM to flaregun somebody

[slim pollen]

I think with the amount of ways to burn in hunt (both in terms of loadout and lanterns everywhere) that nobody needs to worry about ways to keep a corpse from walking again, but it would be nice to have a more specific way to do so without having to spend upwards of 2 minutes waiting.

[verbal marsh]

Yeah, but firebomb makes sense since it’s something you have to commit to and only get one use out of

[slim pollen]

I never stopped, they're pretty versatile

[rotund obsidian]

yeah the main upside for instaburning with a firebomb comes with the cost. which is one firebomb.

[hot vigil]

Agreed. But for that to happen people will need to have a guarantee they can naturalize a solo that is locked down.

[verbal marsh]

Say it with me now!

That does not mean! That fusees! Are the solution!

[slim pollen]

Which is why I mentioned my earlier suggestion of being able to spend 20 seconds+ interacting with a corpse to stop necro from working on it.

[rotund obsidian]

I do think that there should be a slightly better option for just outright shutting down a solo without outside intervention. (but obviously it would require a heavy gear investment)

[verbal marsh]

Because giving everyone the ability to instantly burn everyone all the time is not healthy for anyone involved!

Did you get it this time?

[rotund obsidian]

this all loops back around to my complaints about resilience pls nerf

[hot vigil]

Never said, I am just saying that solo necro is the cause.

[rotund obsidian]

or necro should cost 25 from the person standing up, too. (also in teams, not targetting solo necro)

[verbal marsh]

And?

[slim pollen]

Honestly I think that reslience with teams is more frustrating than with a solo.

[hot vigil]

But should thet solo be able to revive while the player does that?
And that is why I said looting would do the same effect without adding more animations or mechanics :)

[verbal marsh]

I don’t see how that helps someone not have to wait for the minute it takes a player to burn out

[hot vigil]

That as long solo necro exist in its current form, insta-burning is gonna be the norm.

[slim pollen]

Looting would be to fast, and I had forgotten to mention necro wouldn't work during the interaction.

[hot vigil]

I mean if its a solo it doesn't matter if it takes too long or short.

[verbal marsh]

Congratulations you have correctly identified the issue that we have been talking about for the last hour or so

[hot vigil]

I mean, I've already said that.

[verbal marsh]

Now explain to me why instabruning everyone is a good solution to the issue you have with solo necro

[hot vigil]

Always

[slim pollen]

The only time solo necro is useful is during multi team fights, something as fast as looting animation start insta-killing them would render it completely useless.

[hot vigil]

Lmao, you need some better reading comprehension buddy

[verbal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[slim pollen]

Let's try and stick to debating instead of insulting?

[verbal marsh]

“This wildly unhealthy thing coincidentally solves a personal issue I have with something because it shuts down all second chances for everyone, ever”

[hot vigil]

Also do you think it should be applicable for teams too? Because don't mind that.

[slim pollen]

I do, I think it would be a useful tool all around.

[verbal marsh]

As long as the teammate gets a notification that it’s happening

[slim pollen]

Fine with me.

[verbal marsh]

So they have the knowledge to be able to stop it

[hot vigil]

Goodie, otherwise it could be kinda toxic, kill a dude, check if he is solo by starting the voodoo macarena, stop and camp.

[verbal marsh]

I would be fine with that happening in solo too if the other low skill high reward things got removed

Or adjusted at least

If someone doesn’t want to make any commitments to keeping me down as a solo I should be able to at least get back up and fight when I’m one shot to literally everything

I don’t see how being 50hp against several duos is unbalanced when you don’t want to commit to bringing traps or watching a body burn out

[slim pollen]

Personally my key to enjoying solo is to stop caring about fairness and embrace comedy.

Not to say that solo shouldn't be fair for solos.

[verbal marsh]

It’s been my go to lately cus it’s the only way to enjoy it at the moment, but when my average loadout is poke stick and bees and nothing else it’s hard to get more comedy beyond that

This isn’t an issue with the game though, you’re just too impatient to sit still for 2 minutes in a 45 minute long game and you want to make that everyone else’s fault instead of making any effort to fix that yourself

[hot vigil]

Solo should be fighting uphill, that is the thrill of it. And giving freebies on rez can diminish that thrill.
Hence once again, think removing solos from trios would make it eaiser to achieve that balance.
Because for the average player to be functional vs. trios needs a lot of help and extra tools to succeed.

[verbal marsh]

If you personally can’t be bothered to ensure I can’t get back up, why should I not have the opportunity?

Just because you didn’t take the steps that the game gives to you

[verbal marsh]

As I’ve said about six times, being permanently outnumbered in a game where any weapon at all can one shot you is a disadvantage that no special treatment can overcome

[slim pollen]

If we were to use that logic, wouldn't it make more sense to remove solos from duos? The game is designed and balanced around teams of two after all.

[hot vigil]

Well, don't play into trios then?

[verbal marsh]

That doesn’t mean it should be overtop but this is far from over the top. The game gives you ways to deal with it you’re just too impatient or stubborn to engage with that

[verbal marsh]

I don’t

Lol

Not sure where you got that from

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[hot vigil]

As I said, the disparity between solo vs duos compared to solo vs trios are smaller.
Also Hunts original concept were "hunt in pairs or alone", so that true to the "core" Hunt.
Not to say a game cannot evolve over time and trios have been a great addition to the game.
Just the case where it is smarter to pick the battles when it comes to balance the game to be fun for everyone.

[hot vigil]

Well, then I don't really feel your "outnumbered" argument, it literally take one shot to make it a 1v1 :)

[slim pollen]

It also only takes one shot to make it a 0v2?

[verbal marsh]

And it literally takes two shots to make a trio fight a 1v1

Lol

That’s such a… strange… argument

[hot vigil]

For sure haha :)
Just that as a solo you should have the noise advantage, so it easy to equalize it down to a 1v1 with a proper ambush : )

[verbal marsh]

I already acknowledged this as well, repeatedly. I gave you an example five minutes after it literally happened to me in game where a duo pushed me at the exact same time and because there’s only one of me and two of them I could only kill one of them before the other one got me

[verbal marsh]

Right so be ratty and don’t engage?

The thing you said you didn’t like?

[hot vigil]

But is harder to pull off :)

[verbal marsh]

And that you burn people out for?

[verbal marsh]

Yeah and hitting one shot on a solo is far far easier

What’s your point

Pretty heavily logically flawed from what I can see so I feel like I’m missing something

[hot vigil]

Engage on your terms?
Play smart, not hard, use your skills to equalize.

[verbal marsh]

So yeah, be ratty

Hide in a bush and wait til the odds are in your favour

That’s what you’re suggesting

And it’s what you said you hate

[slim pollen]

While I agree with the playstyle, that's traditionally just being a rat.

[verbal marsh]

And also what I said that what you want is leading to

Lol

Like I already explained this to you already

[hot vigil]

Mjah, that is what is needed to win fights when you are outnumbered, try for most games and real life scenarios.
Solo Necro is great as it at least opens up for the solo to do it up close as trading ain't as much of an issue.

[verbal marsh]

Unless you have an actual skill advantage in which case you should be able to win

[hot vigil]

Ravyn, gonna be honest with you buddy, just stop, you seem you wanna fight and I don't care about that.

You've said your points and I've heard them.

[verbal marsh]

Not sure where you’re getting that from

[slim pollen]

Respectfully I don't think any of us have heard each other.

The only one who may have was taco, and they made the smart choice and stopped engaging in this.

[verbal marsh]

And this

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-gif-24132651

[hot vigil]

Dunno I get your views across fine :)

Nevertheless solo is always sucha contagious topic haha
Main issue is that there is an imbalance to it, if side gets it better, the other gets it worse.
As mainly team-player it feels bad having to go thru so many hoops to deal with a SINGLE optional playstyle that MIGHT have one trait.
I want to iron out that aspect of solo's impacts to the game.

[verbal marsh]

Unless there’s counterplay, like the counterplay that already exists

“In case opponent has X” has literally been a reason for entire traits and consumables since the start. With chokes in case opponents have fire, traits like bulwark or bloodless for in case opponents have bleed or explosives, melee weapons in case the opponents try to rush you in a certain way or for clearing concertina or breaking doors. Fighting solos has pre-existing counterplay that none of these things that requires traits and consumables do. You have a lot of options when it comes to a solo. The issue here isn’t that there isn’t counterplay to them, the issue is that you don’t want to commit to any of that, so you want an easy way out

And thats what’s led to every player regardless of if they’re solo or duo or trio being instantly burned the second they go down. Because you’ve taken a scenario where counterplay already exists and added overkill because you don’t want to commit to that counterplay

If that existing counterplay needs to be adjusted is a different story. If that’s what you’re trying to make a case for, by all means go for it. I’m down to hear you out. But saying that every player, everywhere in the game should suffer because you don’t want to grapple with existing game mechanics is just not fun

[hot vigil]

What a lot of text, hope someones reads it :)

[verbal marsh]

I don’t really mind if someone does tbh, clearly you’re not interested in having a discussion or seeing other perspectives, but the point of this channel is for that, and other people will read it, including the devs, and the feelings that players like me are expressing will actually get heard

So feel free to ignore it lol, you’re not the kind of person it matters to anyway :) have a good rest of your day man, I’m going to sleep 🖤

[severe vault]

I see another salt mine after necro debates here

[unborn dagger]

Just reading through that entire convo and just saying Ravyn bein needlessly condescending.

[hot vigil]

As always, simply hard for people to understand that burning corpses for 2 min is not really fun :)

Do solo need to go fuck themselves? Nope, but a match shouldn't really change the way it plays because a solo.

[severe vault]

Neither is dying, but You can die in this game

[hot vigil]

For sure haha

[hot vigil]

That was also my experience

[severe vault]

Not every mechanic is fun but some are necessary for game to be fair

[hot vigil]

I can see that for sure, but is it more fair that we wait around?
It feels more like "file your taxes situation".
Also currently I've seen lot of solo players express that it ain't fun either to just lay and only to be able to hope for the best.

[severe vault]

You can throw concertina bomb on body, then burn it. Place tons of traps or simply camp the body. Not very fun or engaging but You can't really make it any less annoying for the already adventageous side without taking away the dead player's chance to fight

[unborn dagger]

At that point it would just be best to remove it

[severe vault]

I get it it's annoying to camp, but I bet it's more annoying to get camped and realise Your solo necro ability ain't gonna do anything and You're back to menu after all

[unborn dagger]

Especially if it isnt fun for either side and having them waste every consunable that they have on one person

[hot vigil]

Well, think the reason why flares, fuses and burning ammo got the ability to burn bodies.
But it simply made it worse for everyone, because now there is even less reason not to burn.

[hot vigil]

For sure :) That is why I always said that fundamentally Solo Necro is broken and only make everyone feel miserable about it.

[severe vault]

The problem is the game was super unfun and frustrating for solo players. And i think it's better to be annoyed sometimes and enjoy the game the way You like it rather than taking away the only ability that allows You to not instantly perma dead while playing with disadvantage anyway

[unborn dagger]

You are making the option to go in solo, no one is forcing that on you

You go in solo you face the consequences but a larger reward

[severe vault]

But I don't have option to like randoms because there's someone annoyed by my ability to self res

[hot vigil]

But what if this make the game super unfun and frustrating for team players?
I honestly think it is better to at least move solo away from trios and then try to get a new gauge on how the balance feel.
I see a lot of solo v trios people complaining about the balance.

[rotund obsidian]

This really turned from a flare convo into "solo necro bad" lole

as all hunt discussions inevitably do

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I mean Im all for that, if Crytek can't find a reasonable balance for solo necro

Which I dont think they can

[severe vault]

Why would the game even give You reason NOT to burn someone? You're denying a revive, no mather if it's solo or team. Why would You not burn someone

[hot vigil]

Think that is because flares got bad bc of the solo necro issue.
They gave us more tools to deal with solo necro, but it just made the issue worse haha

[unborn dagger]

^

[rotund obsidian]

because there's not much reason to bring more than one firebomb (or any, tbh) or i cant be fucked to find a lantern

[hot vigil]

It used to be bad taste to instant burn people.
Only used to draw out people who was hiding.
But necro and THEN solo necro made that too unreliable.
So it became the norm.

[severe vault]

I honestly thoughts they made these things able to set bodies ablaze to avoid "I need a lamp but I need to see if he gets up so I can't go for lamp" tbh xD

Using game mechanic used to be bad taste? Hunt showdown has some special fanbase

You were voting to apply an ability to remove necro from someone by interacting with their body. The issue could be removed by speeding up the burn process.

[rotund obsidian]

An important consideration is "How would this affect the rest of the game?"

[hot vigil]

Most games have some norms and morality to them.
Some more, some less.
Like I would never hate an insta burner, but usually just more interesting to wait around a little and see how the fight developed :)

[unborn dagger]

Similar to Dark Souls, in pvp it is considered bad taste to constantly use your estus during a fight

[rotund obsidian]

Burning was slowed down ages ago for a reason

[charred harbor]

this is an awful take lol

[hot vigil]

Yeah speeding it up is once again a "flares buff to deal with another issue"-solution.

[unborn dagger]

Im just saying it is similar chill

[rotund obsidian]

If solo necro is problematic, nerf it. Don't add a bunch of weird mechanics that significantly impact the rest of the game negatively

[hot vigil]

Rocket League has the golden rule.

[severe vault]

Only similarity i see is that people take games too seriously and just like to get mad for no reason

[charred harbor]

it's not similiar at all, one you're referring to a 1 on 1 duel, versus something that cannot even relate to it

[rotund obsidian]

I'm not saying i think solo necro is problematic but it's a weird mindset to just add a buncha random shit that affects more things to mitigate it

[severe vault]

It's like saying headshots are toxic cuz You don't give Your opponent opportunity to react xd

[unborn dagger]

Not using it as an argument my guy

Thats just how I see it

[charred harbor]

If that's how you see it, you better not remove any bleeding applied to you when fighting anyone.

[rotund obsidian]

Flaregun/fusees were i guess a bit weak and burning body options were few and far between. They overbuffed it imo, I don't think solo necro needs to play into it at all.

[hot vigil]

I mean it is a spectrum of reasonable and unreasonable.
Again, even back then when the norm was not to instant burn, you wouldn't get reported for doing it.
But it was a "oh gloves off, no mercy" provocation.

[rotund obsidian]

old burning seems crazy to me now. How were you supposed to save somebody from a firebomb? just walk in and burn half your own hp off? 💀

[severe vault]

I know it always was like this. I play since alpha. I just consider it really childish mentality to pretend like there's some honour in not using certain game mechanics so someone can be little less mad over their death.

[hot vigil]

Honestly, prolonging flares slightly more and giving you 5 fuses instead of 3 might have made them fine.
Biggest issue is that you are bloating the chance to loot another med-kit from a tool-box/hunter.
Like decoys always gets looted first is a HUGE downside to them and why I cannot force myself to run them anymore :(

[rotund obsidian]

yeah i've been running flaregun since the ammo rework, i think it wasn't bad tbh

[hot vigil]

I mean, it is what it is. Some people play to have fun, some to win at all cost.
Just don't wanna think it is silly to judge either :)

[hot vigil]

Oh yeah, forgot about that, might actually take that over fuses. But yeah, dunno flares duration is a little too short too sadly.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah like I dont have an issue with it, that's just how some people are in certain communities

[rotund obsidian]

Flare duration is a bit short, yeah. Not a bad thing in all cases, sometimes I shoot hives on rooftops with it and the flare lingering is a downside, but meh.

[severe vault]

As I said before, taking some stuff too seriously happens

[vital fractal]

I think making flares and flare gun ammo burn 25 hp on hit on bodies per shot would probably be a decent idea to change up the instant burn meta rn

[hot vigil]

Ah yeah and I think it is fair balance over fuses that do last longer.
Dunno, just giving them 30 seconds more or more charges would sweeten the deal for me haha

[vital fractal]

Like if you really want to hurt a downed enemy, dump 3 flares to reduce them to 50 at pick up if they had a small bar up front- finish with fire from lantern

[rotund obsidian]

Honestly, flaregun has definitely netted me a few kills. I just lob it into bushes sometimes and i've gotten a nonzero amount of hits like that.

[severe vault]

I wish flares would drop a bit slower. I like to fire them to the sky so they can actually illuminate large area

[charred harbor]

are people actually upset about being set on fire instantly? edit: after dying I mean

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I even made a suggestion similar to that. Fire a flare into the sky and it would illuminate an area the size of a compound for a short time

[vital fractal]

Also, maybe only allow Dragons breath to set players on fire within 10m

[hot vigil]

Think it mostly an issue that solo necro players now feel even more stomped on.

[severe vault]

I mean it kinda does that. But it falls too fast to actually make use of the effect

[vital fractal]

Tbh a good buff to flares would be to make night actually dark

[unborn dagger]

Yeah if they could make it fall slower it would be way better then

[charred harbor]

solo necro players also play vs lower mmr lobbies, can stand up before a bar deletes, and players don't need to sit on a solo corpse for 15 minutes while the bounty extracts

[rotund obsidian]

Huh, I didn't realize flaregun burned a whopping 30ish off instantly on a direct hit

[unborn dagger]

We can only dream :/

[hot vigil]

That is a whole other slew of issues.
But yeah, the advent of the solo necro have cause many issues and bitterness for this community.

[vital fractal]

I understand your base point but in practice:

1. Lower MMR lobbies for the average 3* might be a major buff but once you hit high 4 to 5* it seems like on my platform- you start facing off against teams of 3/4/4+ on average, with the occasional 6* on a team of 3*s which you cannot say is in your favor

2. It doesn’t matter how fast you stand up if you are burning, since you will be most likely shot by someone on your body- if they burn you, they are watching you for the most part

3. Again players don’t NEED to watch you when downed, but they will- and they will even if bounty is running- I’ve seen it happen and have done so myself- to say otherwise is false

Solo necro on paper is an amazing powerful perk

But in most times, it’s just a death sentence to use within any moderate time of your own demise

[charred harbor]

I don't mind solos. I mind lobbies that look like this garbage. That's 4 solo's in a trio's game. On a rain map.

[hot vigil]

It was as powerful until people knew how to play around it and playing around it is not a fun part sadly.
I think there can exist a solo necro that matters, but I'm not sure how without making it be less powerful in general.

It needs to be as relevant as team necro. Which ofc also doesn't have 100% relevance all the time :)

[rotund obsidian]

I find this is way more often the case when you queue into trios while you aren't a trio

[hot vigil]

It is also server to server dependend, think Europe have less solos than other servers.

[rotund obsidian]

Best idea i've got is just making it so dying within like 10-15 seconds of a self-necro makes it unusable. Like a 15 second cooldown before you can use it again. Could be less, could be more, would have to see. Probably no more than a few minutes.

I'd like the same to apply to team necro too, honestly.

[hot vigil]

Yeah, been wanting that too, but damn solos players hate that suggestion haha

[rotund obsidian]

If you stand up and get instakilled, that should be it. GG. If it isn't, it makes it a drag because they KNOW you can stand up again and that's when the three minutes of mindlessly waiting for a burn to finish commences

If i shoot someone outside the lair, then his buddies hardcamping inside use necro on him and i blast him again instantly, he shouldn't be able to be necro'd again either

[hot vigil]

Usually the solution to that is just to burn them.

That will force them to move.

[rotund obsidian]

yeah but that's the same issue to me as solo tbh. I get to sit here and watch him burn for two minutes since he could get necro'd at any point.

[rotund obsidian]

you overestimate lair campers 💀 these mfs will let a teammate burn out before they walk out

especially since redskull revive is a thing

or they will just necro again. then again. then wait a minute and try again

[hot vigil]

Ah okay, in my experience lair campers ain't much of an issue. People usually play activily haha
But yeah for solo necros the issue is that even burning them usually wont provoke any counter action.

[rotund obsidian]

I use conc bombs as my own sorta anti-necrospam in most cases but i can't do that at the start of a prestige :(

[hot vigil]

Mhm mhm, just wanna go back to a simpler time. Where dead people stayed dead haha.

Also redskull is stupid and should be nerfed

[rotund obsidian]

I dislike necro in general but i never played before it was added lol

redskull should take like, 10x longer. You should be a complete sitting duck, the easiest target on the planet. It should be almost exclusively for after a fight has fully concluded. its crazy that its literally the same timer as a normal revive

[hot vigil]

Necro is strong for sure, but not as strong as people feared when it got announced haha.
It basically have moved team fights into ALWAYS being about playing around the body as before you could be a little more loosey goosey if a person died in the open or another bad spot.

And redskull should just be a 3 seconds channel, but a 30 seconds process of noise and light. Think akin to the banishment, but instead you hear howls of the hunter's soul returning to the mortal realm.

[amber stirrup]

Every time I get necroed I die as I'm standing up. And when playing with randoms I'd like if there was an option to refuse being necroed. Some players use it because they are too scared and can't do anything directly useful.

[hot vigil]

For sure a cancel would be lovely.

[unborn dagger]

I still dont understand why Spitzer as a custom ammo was added to long ammo weapons. Long ammo has incredible mv already and penetration, why give it a custom ammo that buffs both at the cost of a small damage decrease? It just seemed obvious to me(And especially with Sparks having it) that long ammo would get fmj ammo to get that extra penetration at the cost of mv.

[hot vigil]

Guess they felt they long ammo needed to have something special.
Compact and Medium? Naw nothing special to them.

Yes know dum dum is only on those two but that is more balance reasons than anything.

[unborn dagger]

Personally I never thought that any of the long ammo weapons besides Berthier, Sparks, and Martini needed custom ammo. Just felt like medium and compact needed them the most because they never really had anything to stand out from long ammo.

[hot vigil]

For sure.
In general we need whole ammo overhaul.
Where we especially look at:

• Long ammo in general.
• Custom Ammo balance.
• Slugs.
• What weapons get what custom ammo.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I couldnt agree more with that

[hot vigil]

And yeah I know slugs is technically also custom ammo, but they need a whole lotta work lmao

[subtle lichen]

I think the damage drop-off for buckshot should be tweaked. Surely there's a middle ground between "one shot kill" and "did someone let a breeze in?"

[unborn dagger]

Yeah the drop off for buckshot is very steep lol

[subtle lichen]

Buckshot in Hunt is a perfect example of the gaming trope that you have to be able to smell what your opponent had for breakfast to do any actual damage.

[hot vigil]

Really depends on the barrel.
Think Hunts shotguns are mostly fine. Video gamey as fuck, but also quickly gonna out gun compact if it gets too long reach

[subtle lichen]

I'm not saying extend ohk range, but the damage drop off could be a bit less extreme. I shot a guy with a rival last week, he was 15m away according to the damage summary. I did 7 damage. 7. And it was a centre mass shot.

[hot vigil]

Pellet %?

Also one of the strongest things you can do atm is levering with the terminus at 20m range.

Ofc a niche issue, not gonna deny that.

[subtle lichen]

I actually don't remember. But it was standard buck and I was fuming that I did so little at what seemed like a reasonable range.

[hot vigil]

It is the Rival the worst spread medium, if not overall shotgun.

Feel like shotguns are overall fine. Again making them stronger over distance will severely remove what little the compact have going for them

But wouldn't cry if shotguns got 15-30% less steep damage drop-off after OHK range.

[signal mural]

@rigid plinth I appreciate the brainstorming on Headsmen's inevitable costume tweak but I think shirtless is a pretty cliche choice and would make him look like a poor man's Penitent.

I thought they could give him a bandolier bundle of heavy lynching rope. Or some more leather bits to match his heavy gloves, like a single shoulder pauldron or a gorget.

Blood stains on black clothing barely show up and turn more rust brown when dried and extreme weathering could turn his black robes greyish... which might actually make him harder to see unless they are looking unrealisticly bright.

[humble quartz]

well you yourself are going in a trio hunt with only a team of 2.. so what's the problem? trios could be pissed about this the same way like you are about the solos. and if you go in trios with duo, its more chance to meet solos

[charred harbor]

why tag me hours after just for a stupid fucking question? The difference between a team of 2 vs 3's is no solo self ress

[humble quartz]

bro got no chill

[hollow wing]

@charred harbor you know that @humble quartz has a good point.

[rugged iron]

@mild sigil you know that not everyone that has a name like that is asian. I have one and also set my steam region to china just to troll people. Meanwhile i get 14 ping EU

[wet saffron]

Don't say it like that. You are making his world crumble apart

[rugged iron]

Because i cant answere in that channel

Bot delets all messages that rnt in the correct format

U asked and i answered 🙂

[eager siren]

Good afternoon, I bought it and decided to watch the game, but after 2 hours the ban came, it's unclear why, I wrote an appeal on the site.

who can help with the problem?

[remote ore]

probably because you cheated

[jagged wagon]

@cobalt python While I agree with your point about the timing of the giveaway and the release of the dlc being a day earlier isn’t ideal, to say they are holding you as an emotional hostage is a bit of a leap… just chill for a day man.

[cobalt python]

They are mentally keeping me from spending my money on something I want with the timing of the giveaway and im speakinh for like 65% of this community

Yes I could chill for the day but why they forcing me to have to chill why cant I just participate in the trade of money for goods it dont make no sense. Its the little things in life u know?

[crystal plume]

@red crescent Please post the text from the actual suggestion in the correct format (shown in the pinned messages) rather than a screenshot of the suggestion

[red crescent]

I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker, I couldn't find why it doesn't want to post my suggestion, maybe I added some wrong element. I will not do that again

[crystal plume]

Your suggestion need to be in this format:

Title:
Details:

[red crescent]

thx

[hot vigil]

Well, if you really want to spend the money, do it and get the skin, then someone else can win the skin and everyone wins :)

[cobalt python]

Nah because why buy it when there a chance ill just get it for free. I aint one of those dumb humans roaming the earth u feel me?

[rancid pebble]

I am

[hot vigil]

Well, then you wait

Like it ain't rocket science

[cobalt python]

Indeed I will wait because they are forcing me to wait

Thats what I want to change

Free will

U aint understanding are you?

@hot vigil

It aint rocket science

This idea helps hunt get there money and helps the people who play the game no negative only positive change ❤️

We all about positivity over here

@cosmic kettle whats your understanding?

[signal mural]

Pay it forward and if you win gift the key to a Hunt mate and bask in their thanks. For your emotional state it's a win/win.

[hot vigil]

no one is forcing you bud.
The prize of the chance of a free DLC is time, waiting 1 day.
It is literally just a different price to pay.

[cobalt python]

You see there aint no point to wait one day

And the day aint a price thats npc thinking

[cobalt python]

True true but idk if they will even give it to me if I already own it

Or let me give it away to a mage

Mate

[hot vigil]

They gonna give you a steam code.

They cannot check if you already own it

[cobalt python]

Ok but u gotta think about the broke kids out there not just my rich ass

[hot vigil]

Okay, they gonna wait an extra day

Just in time for the weekend

[cobalt python]

They shouldnt have to man

Not in 2024

Just making life a little better

One thing at a time

[hot vigil]

Well, but your own logic they are poor, so not like they have a choice.

[red crescent]

I tried to explain my idea, reduced it to 1 sentence. It's not the same format anyway. My hands dropped

[cobalt python]

Poor not broke

Two seperate things

They got the money but after they pay

THAN

They go broke

The kids man I just want them to enjoy a dlc one day early man

Its like being able to open one of your presents a day early on christmas

I dont want them like I said to be emotionally and mentally forced to keep themselves held hostage because of these giveaway times and release date of the dlc

It aint right u dont know what people going through

They dont need this added pressure u know?

Tings add up over time

[hot vigil]

Honestly man, if ones enjoyment of life hinges on a DLC for a video game, think you need to re-adjust some life values.
I love video games, I have Hunt DLC myself, but damn if I ever get emotionally distressed over a skin, just shoot me.

[cobalt python]

Not the skin its having to wait for no reason

[red crescent]

Does Hunt have a email of its own? So that I can put an idea there

[cobalt python]

I sae a man get a hunt tatoo on his arm

[signal mural]

I really wanted to ping HostageKiller into this... just because of his name but it wouldn't be right.

[cobalt python]

U have beef with the tatoo guy now?

Just cause he loved the game he cant get a tatoo of it on his arm

Should he like u said shoot himself?

Smh

[hot vigil]

Nope, used the #game-ideas :)

I know right

[cobalt python]

WAIT I HAVE A SOLUTION

@hot vigil can u buy me the dlc rn 🥺

[red crescent]

😭

[hot vigil]

What wrong with that buddy

[hot vigil]

Sorry buddy, but we have rules here on this server:
"5.3 Refrain from begging..."

[cobalt python]

Aint begging its mearly stating a solution to a problem to resolve a argument

@hot vigil

The statement is not necessarly asking you to buy it but putting the idea of you do something which does involve u buying something for me which is seperate from the might idea of it all

But if you would go ahead and pay one forward I think the world would be a better place

[rancid pebble]

This entire conversation is super wacky lol

[humble quest]

The mental gymnastics going on here

[hot vigil]

Or lack of

[rancid pebble]

One day really isn’t a huge deal

And honestly I don’t even understand the rest of what’s being said

Tis BIZARE

Also I can’t spell

[humble quest]

How can you say that. This man is speaking for the majority! He did the math. 65% of the community is held hostage and he's the only one speaking for them...

[signal mural]

Mental agony will do that to a person.

[crystal plume]

It's time to move on from this topic if people are unable to keep it civil while discussing

[rancid pebble]

Agreed

[cosmic kettle]

You're just impatient, the dlc isn't a limited time only thing. The Hunt:Showdown community managers don't have to do the give aways at all. If you like the DLC enough to spend money on it do so, its your money, if you don't like the DLC and still wanna give your support buy some bloodbonds and get a skin from the legendary store you are eye balling.

I also don't get why it's a problem to wait a day for the give away.

[cobalt python]

Aint no gettin to yall people. You just want to see the world burn. Keep having that look at day to day life and see where that gets you man smh

Argument ended tho gotta respect Mr.Diiba

[chilly shard]

Do you guys think we need new Achievements for Hunt Showdown in Steam?

[unborn dagger]

We could use some fun achievements like the throw a hammer one.

[queen jungle]

@crimson dirge Your suggestion was removed as such a system already exists in the game.

[crimson dirge]

it does?

[queen jungle]

!elo

[marsh garden]

Blogpost about matchmaking from 1.5.1: https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/update-on-matchmaking-improvements
QnA about 1.5.1 changes: https://youtu.be/Xt3ZeTBCMCI
Video about 1.6 star system and team details screen: https://youtu.be/JGF2VPQXfSw
Report unfair matchmaking here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/3191364956938130750/

[queen jungle]

Here's some insight in Hunt's matchmaking

[crimson dirge]

huh. I'll have to check that out so I can figure out how I keep getting killed by 2.0 and even 3+ k/d players as a 3*

[tiny pivot]

Definitely wasn't expecting to read a conversation about someone wanting to die over Hunt DLC today but

That sure is what happened in #feedback-discussion today apparently

Lmao

[humble quest]

@cursive cypress you have a gun in both hands. It's intended.

[cursive cypress]

feels weird though having a perk that lets you save the round of the fire arm even weirder is when you've only fired one of the guns either dolch or bornheim the hunter still ejects a round from the gun which is full it just seems inconsitent

[humble quest]

Well you can't bullet grubber with any dual wield, it's just how it works.

[cursive cypress]

well yeah no shit but it feels dumb considering irl it wouldn't be a problem to do either motion to save the bullets

[humble quest]

Bullet grubber as a whole is iffy, since you can swap ammo types and it saves all the rounds when you don't have it. But it's still the intended behavior with how the game current works

You just gotta be more tactical in your choices for when you reload

[remote ore]

I wonder why bullet grubber is so expensive

[cursive cypress]

honestly it just seems lazy because i bet this is because they dont want to add more animations then they have to

[crystal plume]

[humble quest]

I imagine catching ejected rounds while holding another gun is more difficult than it sounds. It's probably just a balance choice.

[cursive cypress]

props, not one that makes much sense to me

[queen jungle]

@manic plank The Kar98k was introduced in 1935, a whole 40 years after the events of Hunt.

Personally, I'd rather like to see the Gewehr 88 as it fits the time better while being similar enough to the Gewehr 98. Perhaps as a medium-ammo rifle as those could need some more additions. Lots of long ammo guns already.

However, the devs have stated in the past that they want to avoid gear being redundant by having guns that are too similar to each other, so there would have to be something special about it to make it different from other rifles.

[manic plank]

I know the Kar98 was not from 1898. It was introduced in 1934 actually. I say kar98 bc I know how to spell it. It’s also the same gun as the gewehr98 they just call it different name to circumvent the ww1 treaty (I forgot the name). It would be nice to have another medium ammo bolt action rifle besides the veterlli. I don’t like the feel of the veterlli and I wish there was another option. Another single shot shotgun would be cool that why I recommend the martini Henry shotgun because it fits the time period and they can use the same model. There is also no competitor to the Romero in the single shot shotgun category.

[queen jungle]

I'm aware of the historical background and you probably mean the Versailles Treaty 🙂

The Gewehr 88 was the predecessor of the 98 as the Prussian army's rifle, so it's close enough in my opinion.

[manic plank]

I knew it was either Versailles or Paris but I forgot which one is which. I’ve had this argument before. It’s the same gun just the years the we’re introduced is different. But a new medium ammo bolt action would be nice. It could have a slow rechameber but do like 125 damage. I just don’t like the feel of veterlli

[weary fox]

Hehe my persona is a bounty target made out of cockroaches >:)

[queen jungle]

why would a gewehr be a medium ammo gun while firing a bigger bullet than a mosin

[weary fox]

Hunt logic...? (Yay?)

[manic plank]

Because it would be basically the same gun but different iron sights

Then make it special ammo and do 145

Actually that could work

[weary fox]

We don't need another special ammo gun, imo

[manic plank]

But a new medium bolt action would be nice

[weary fox]

Yeahhh but realistically... Gewehr 88 would chamber long ammo not medium ammo

[manic plank]

I’m saying that a new bolt action wether it me medium or long would be nice. There is no other medium besides veterlli but the cartridge for the kar is bigger that the mosin.

Idk what they should do but they can figure that out

[weary fox]

Kar98k wouldn't be added unless they move past world wars which may honestly happen in the far future.

[manic plank]

Again, did you not read my previous message

[weary fox]

But you're right, the game needs another bolt action medium ammo rifle

[weary fox]

Imo Hunt doesn't really need another long ammo rifle

[manic plank]

At least for now

[weary fox]

I think it's indefinitely my friend

[manic plank]

What is your opinion on my suggestion for the martini Henry shotgun

[weary fox]

All the niches for rifles on the long ammo roster has been filled

[manic plank]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they add one of these suggestions (medium ammo bolt action or single shot shotgun) in the next update.

[weary fox]

I'd like to see it added honestly, plus it can give me Romero PTSD so I support it, a cool addition that wouldn't be overtuned or undertuned.

[weary fox]

I'd like to see them add the SMLE as a medium ammo rifle but we would see if it actually happens

Oh but I'm betting Springfield with a magazine is coming very soon, considering the pattern Crooktech likes to take with their "successful" additions

#game-ideas message

Imo, I don't like giving solos a get out of jail free card because they decided to bring a 4 point trait, if anything I'd say that solo Necromancer is ok where it's at, flawed but not very concerning, at the end of the day when they use Necromancer to self revive, they still have to risk something ,which are their health bars so there is still a risk vs reward as opposed to letting them revive at a distance. This is my take though, I'd like to see yours

[manic plank]

Because your so stringent on the caliber they could add the Lee Medford or the Mannlicher Carcano 1891. They could both me medium bolt actions

Or they could both be long ammo idc, I just want another medium bolt action rifle bc I don’t like the feel of the Vetterrli

[tiny pivot]

I would love some more unknown weapons

[weary fox]

Speaking of which, Hunt has been out for what? 2 years? And there's no straight pull bolt rifle yet.

[manic plank]

Since 2018

6 years

[weary fox]

Fuck...

6 years no pull bolt but they add a semi automatic fictional conversion of an existing rifle

[unborn sandal]

Because they had only just been invented in 1886 and all of hunt’s guns (with the exception of the one everyone hates) are pre 1895

[weary fox]

The Hunt started ~1895, now it's around 1905 (according to the storyline) so it'd be realistic to add a straight pull bolt rifle

[manic plank]

Didn’t they start in 1920

Carcano as a medium rifle, fits time period and fits cartridge size

I just hope they add a new medium bolt action.

Vetterli is ok but they need some variety

[hot vigil]

@tiny cobalt Please consider what you are suggesting, if the solo got a free teleport away from danger whenever they go down, that means you will NEVER be able to kill a solo completely and solos can just keep coming back until they have their last bar and then extract.

[weary fox]

Imo idk why people are still unhappy over solo Necro, it's flawed but still ok in the current state it's in. On paper, it's a great trait that makes comebacks possible. In practice, it's a way to constantly get redowned unless there's 2 or more teams present

[hot vigil]

I am unhappy about it bc rn it is a "everyone lose" trait.
Feels shit for solo necro players to have trait that is kinda strong when it works, but also countered 99% of the time and the only gameplan you can have is to wait it out for long spans of time to see if you get the chance to get up.
And it feels shit for teams because every body is now a requried instaburn and wait in case they MAYBE shot a solo, that MAYBE have Necro, that MAYBE is gonna play the long game and try to get up.

[weary fox]

Damn, reading this feels like solo Necro could never be balanced, I honestly don't know what solution can satisfy everyone, and I'm starting to think that solo Necro is just one of those things that can't make everyone happy. Hopefully it will get a rework in the future.

Also is that Mcree from overwatch?

[hot vigil]

It really depends if solos and teams can agree what utility solo necro should have.
Like I think solo necro should be a bounce back trait that gives solo a second wind if they got shot from a 100-200m distance or trades. But as soon a team is on their body, they have lost and solo necro is not a factor anymore.
Whereas it seems a lot of solos want solo necro to be an extra life within that match that gives them an opportunity to try again in the same round.

and not it is McCree from overwatch

[weary fox]

This is... A great suggestion. Now this is a real idea! These are the few times that an idea is actually good and isn't dumpster fire (unlike my ideas). A second wind, I like the sound of that.

[hot vigil]

Well, I mean you might not like how I want it haha. Basically just keep solo necro as it is, just lower the time you can start reviving to 7 seconds, but give the solo player a 20 seconds time cap to get up.
So if they go down they have to decide within the next 20 second if they wanna try get up or they are out for good.

[weary fox]

It's still not a bad idea. Really. I always found most of the "let them revive far away" extremely flawed, they get a second chance at life because they pressed a button.

[hot vigil]

Thanks haha, just saying I've heard a lot of push backs from people when I suggest it haha.
Which makes sense if people think solo necro should be more of a guaranteed self-revive, which I don't think.
So my suggestion would go against everything they want from the trait.

[vital fractal]

The MMR gap should only be 1 star for matchmaking

[hot vigil]

praise

[vital fractal]

I’m tired of having 3s in the same lobbies I have to fight 6s in too

If it’s going to be this wide, it might as well not exist

[weary fox]

MMR in Hunt is a shit show, and I doubt it's going to be fixed anytime soon

[hot vigil]

Imagine if we had a option between: "Find me a game fast" and "find me a game fair".

[vital fractal]

They had something similar before

[hot vigil]

Eyup

[vital fractal]

And honestly, if they had just tuned that instead

[hot vigil]

haha

[vital fractal]

It would’ve been way better

[hot vigil]

Think it got gutted bc they wanted to have wildcards

[vital fractal]

They can’t even do wildcards right

It’s in the name, Wildcard

Make it unique not just “Day but we call it night, Day but we call it night and mint green, and some actually unique weather but weekend only”

[hot vigil]

Oh man, lemme find my post haha

[hot vigil]

Said that for years, before wildcards was a thing.
We need mutators where stupid things can happen:

• 1888 mode.
• Only melee, bows and Xbows.
• No AI.
• MORE AI.
• True night maps.
• Medium ammo actually good!
  Endless possibilities!

[weary fox]

This makes me question why rain isn't part of wildcard

[weary fox]

What's 1888 mode?

[hot vigil]

No guns after 1888, bascially you would have no mosins or other long ammo haha

[vital fractal]

Seriously, the only reason wildcards aren’t actually good is because:

1. Devs don’t have the ability to implement a good mode (doubt this)
2. Devs choose not to (very much this)

This engine update should remove a shit ton of excuses they have

[hot vigil]

Simply think that the engine update have been the priority for every hunt the past year or so.

[vital fractal]

Literally what I just said lol

Once that’s over

The level of expectation shoots through the roof

As it should

[hot vigil]

Yeah, said that the engine update is gonna be the make or break update for me

if I wanna play more hunt

[weary fox]

Oh yeah, when is the engine update coming?

[hot vigil]

Later this year

[vital fractal]

Apparently earliest April

[hot vigil]

I would say 5-6 month time

[vital fractal]

But could be pushed back… meaning it probably will lmao

[weary fox]

Typical crytek behavior :v

[vital fractal]

Idk why they have a month

Like guys

You know your track record

Just say 2024

[hot vigil]

Well, think we are on track tho. Tide of Shadow was delayed 1.5 months, but they said fuck it and ran 3 events back to back to ensure we ain't gonna move the whole schedule further.

[vital fractal]

I’m fine with waiting

But I better be waiting for something worth waiting for

[hot vigil]

Well, they say it gonna come with a new map

So that might be cool

[vital fractal]

This part trio event, honestly overall a let down tbh

[weary fox]

Wasn't stillwater bayou a shit show when it came out? Iirc it's still the least liked map

[hot vigil]

For sure, Tide of Shadows started out strong, but then it just became... stale

[vital fractal]

Weather fantastic, (except night inferno… I’ve had bond fires bigger)

But my god the weapon and ammo changes

[hot vigil]

Shitshow in what regard?

[weary fox]

A cool addition would've been flashflood but... Eh

[weary fox]

Horrible layouts and either attacker or defender sided

I know stillwater bend is infamous for being absolutely clowned on

At least back in it's haydays

[vital fractal]

It still is

[weary fox]

Oh damn lol

Ok to be fair to stillwater bend, any basement compound is generally pretty shit

[vital fractal]

Like, it’d work well with the more horror themes seen in ultra early hunt but, considering hunt is more fast paced and shooter now… the map is a slogfest

[hot vigil]

Yeah, so in the early days the boss lair had more open exits, so it was very hard to push out without getting shot.
And there have been some major overhaul to some of the areas, supper lake comes to mind, to limit sight lines in general.
I like Stillwater Bayou, it have its own character to it, which is what is most important imo.

[weary fox]

Having more exit making push ins less risky and push outs more risky sounds oddly fun, demotes the usual camp fest of Hunt. Not complaining about camping, just sometimes sick of ot

[weary fox]

Wasn't the AI an actual threat back in ultra early Hunt?

[hot vigil]

As soon I learned I didn't have to push boss lairs, my life became better.

[weary fox]

Tbh Idm pushing in, I tend to bring small shottys in addition to my big rifle. Yes, I main Quartermaster

[hot vigil]

I mean you get free quartermaster nowadays, so I don't blame ya.

Sadly not the old quarter master

[weary fox]

Old quarter was 2 large slots

We all loved that quarter (not lying 100% truth)

[hot vigil]

It was stupid

[weary fox]

2 Nitros I hear?

[hot vigil]

That or Nitro/Nitro

[weary fox]

They should add a trait for dual wielding 2 medium slots

But no secondary weapon in return

I want to run into the Bayou with 2 obrezs

[vital fractal]

As they should be imo with how powerful players are now

Seriously, AI enemies are pushovers that make noise

Come on, add some lore accurate ai- make em scary

[weary fox]

In the lore: THEY'RE TERRIFYING
In game: stab.

[vital fractal]

People be like “Well I don’t want to die due to ai in a fight” well clear them like you should

I don’t like dying in fights due to getting shot but ultimately it’s a skill issue

Seriously, the AI are such pushovers it’s honestly annoying

[weary fox]

The amount of dogs that jumped my ass when I was shooting my gun makes me want to chamber the next shot and shoot my own head

[vital fractal]

The game has been tuned to reduce just about every aspect of horror

[vital fractal]

Dogs are decently engaging to fight but have some of the stupidest AI pathing and aggro logic

[unborn dagger]

Yea the only horror aspect of the game rn is... getting shot lol

[weary fox]

You see fatty mcfatterson the fourth we all call Butcher? Yeah that thing isn't scary

[weary fox]

I've seen more than enough dogs dancing in circles to know they have questionable AI

[vital fractal]

Fr, sometimes I look at the maps and think- if I didn’t have a gun in my hand rn, I genuinely could be told this is a standard cowboy game or like some expedition game

Or when I have a nitro, some no name Hunting Game

[weary fox]

I got jumpscared by a hellhound when I was in a bush with my teammates extracting, I screamed so loud I peaked my mic

[unborn dagger]

Lol god damn

[tiny pivot]

Sadly I think that it comes down to like

Necro being a shit idea, no matter what

Everyone loses, and the burn changes only make it worse

[trail oasis]

Necro should be removed imo. I never ever had a good experience with solo self res and i play only solo... It break the game immersion , its lame for every1 , it force peoples to play a loadout they dislike just in case these a solo or it become a body camping simulator. I never understood why they implemented it and why its still a thing. It also make the game way to easy for peoples who abuse it and fight at water spot so if they get downed theres nothing that can counter em even traps with the good traits they become uneffective. But since theres more bad players who love it that normal player who want to enjoy the game immersion it will always be a dead end discution

[hot vigil]

At release I saw a couple of streamers arguing it was bc it made that solo had less "downtime" of having to go back to the lobby, re-buy and outfit a new hunter and then queue into a new match.
And yeah, I can see that, but the willingness of how far people are waiting, layind dead on the ground to pop of a self-revive, seems to prove that downtime was not the issue.

[hot vigil]

While team necro is strong, it feels more like a skill check.
It makes fights evolves around the dead bodies and punishes players management skills of engaging the rest of the team and locking down the body.
Solo-Necro lacks that aspect due to the solo not having a team, obviously.

[vital fractal]

Since fucking when does a barely pulled bow instant kill?

Shoot one arrow, miss, instantly shoot another and instant tap?

I thought they only do 120 if tapped like that???

[hot vigil]

Think ever since the hundred hands nerf?

But cannot remember

But yeah bows are quite stupid sometimes haha got 1-tapped in lower torso at 20m

[vital fractal]

Wait

So you’re saying

You can just tap the bow

And it’ll 1 tap if it lands??

Then what the fuck is the point of drawing the bow back in CQC?

I thought the whole point of the bow was to have to draw back for a full one tap or rapid fire low damage bleeding arrows if you don’t draw it back

Is drawing the bow back just for distance not damage on it??

[hot vigil]

Better damage retention over distance too I think

[vital fractal]

That’s actually such horseshit

Makes zero sense

[hot vigil]

Lemme jump into the shooting range real quick

Lmao!

So @vital fractal here is some stats for just tapping the bow to the upperchest:
Less than 1m (all up front): 116 damage.
2m away: 120 damage.
4m away: 124 damage.
5m away: 120 damage.

So there is a sweet spot of 4m range where you deal more damage

If you draw the bow for like 0.5 seconds (basically releasing as see the draw animation), you deal 144-150damage

and 136 damage at 5m

Now lets try with Hundred Hands

Okay, Hundred hands doesn't really change much in that regard. Basically you should just draw your bow for 0.5 seconds

[unborn dagger]

While I do agree with that I personally hate how necro is such a must have trait. Especially for solos who lose nothing out of it for ressing.

Except losing a bar obv

[hot vigil]

For sure, that is also why most of my greivances is about solo-necro and not team necro

I think with the now pushed burning utilities we can could honestly remove necro all together.
It was created to be stalemate breaker when all teams had used their burnables and chokes and just were sitting around a body to make the first move.

[manic plank]

This conversation has lasted a long time. Do you guys want to talk about anything else

[unborn dagger]

I'd be fine with that or necro needs to make you lose more health.

[manic plank]

I’m just tuning in so

[hot vigil]

it keeps being an issue haha

[unborn dagger]

Tru lol

[manic plank]

Do you want it to end

[hot vigil]

Issue is that regen shot is a thing haha

[unborn dagger]

Fuggin regen shot lol

[hot vigil]

Just classic knock-on effects of a thousand mechanics that Crytek never seem to consider haha

[manic plank]

Wanna talk about ideas for a new medium bolt action

[hot vigil]

Sparks pistol is my fav. Sure we can have the gun, but them lacking the foresight to see how it would break long ammo economy was baffling

[hot vigil]

Cannot see how it would be relevant when Vetterli'the'Betterli is a weapon.

But wouldn't mind it all together

[manic plank]

It’s the only medium bolt action and it’s all around mid. It not good for one thing and I wish there was more variety

[vital fractal]

How the fuck, that’s insane- full power at .5 seconds

[hot vigil]

Sure, but what profile would the gun have?

[hot vigil]

Well, at close range

[manic plank]

It’s either Springfield 1903, Lee metford, or Carcano

[vital fractal]

It’s great for everything tf?

[hot vigil]

More like what kind of number statistics. Doesn't matter what weapon it honestly, just how it operates and function within the game.

[vital fractal]

It’s honestly the best medium ammo rifle all around

[manic plank]

Bc it’s the only good one, beside the springfield. It’s your only option so that what you have to compare everything to

[hot vigil]

Lmao, Cenny is a fucking beast atm haha

[vital fractal]

Well I wouldn’t say it’s only good one…

[hot vigil]

Drilling is good too

[vital fractal]

All the medium ammo rifles are great, given Dum Dum

If anything, Springfield is probably the weakest at the moment

The vetterli is just so overtly overtuned imo

Via stats, ammo choice, and Variants

[manic plank]

You’ve never had another medium bolt action to compare it too

[vital fractal]

I don’t need to… there are other medium rifles

Doesn’t matter if it’s bolt or not…

[manic plank]

But specifically bolt action is what I’m talking about

[hot vigil]

Issue is that you cannot only compare it to other bolts only thing that matters is cycle speed in that regard.

[vital fractal]

Yeah, what would a mini mosin addition to medium ammo add?

[manic plank]

Variety

[vital fractal]

This is a game with a balancing factors, variety isn’t enough of a reason

What would be its niche?

[manic plank]

Quick reload maybe

Stripper clip

Offer a special ammo type that the vetterli doesn’t have

[hot vigil]

So I wouldn't mind a Carcano too much, the bolt-action stripper clip and 6 bullets makes it a thing between Vetterli and Cenny, with the perk of quick full reloads.

[manic plank]

Better iron sights

[hot vigil]

Issue is that Vetterli have everything haha
But that is another topic of balance issues in hunt

[vital fractal]

Literally both of you are asking for a rifle that’d end up being better than a vetterli and centennial

[manic plank]

Then make it do less damasten and have special ammo that those two guns don’t offer

Damage

[hot vigil]

Don't put me into the same fold, just saying that could be the thing it have going for it.
I can have lower damage than the Cenny and Vetterli as downside.

[vital fractal]

So a slower, perk requiring centennial with explosive rounds-

Then you have to ask, then why add it if it’ll be obviously worse

[manic plank]

Not necessarily explosive

Maybe a new ammo type to go with it

[vital fractal]

The game doesn’t need another traditional bolt action really

[hot vigil]

That is the hardest part to justify for sure.
But you could give it some qualities and honest to god we need to overhaul which guns gets what special ammo.

[vital fractal]

The guns in game rn need an ammo overhaul

Dum dum on everything is ridiculous

[hot vigil]

Dunno "fair mosin" sounds fine to me haha.

[manic plank]

It is

Sounds good to me too

[vital fractal]

Then just run the vetterli

That might as well be a mini mosin minus the strip clips

[manic plank]

But it’s not fair that’s the point your trying to make. We want fair

Well it not a mosin at that point is it

[vital fractal]

Then to achieve that you would need the vetterli

[vital fractal]

Within 40m, it is arguably better (with FMJ)

[manic plank]

No you need a new weapon to account for its slower reload

[vital fractal]

🗿

[hot vigil]

Well, yes no, you have more bullet in the gun and topping off 1-2 bullets is very fast all consider.

[humble quest]

You not going to win this grog. Guy just hates the vett and wants a replacement

[hot vigil]

lmao haha

[manic plank]

I’m not fully hating it I just want another option

[vital fractal]

I already realized that, thanks for the back up though

[hot vigil]

Again, I don't mind the idea of bolt-action medium gun, but weirdly enough, medium doesn't need more rifles anymore.

[manic plank]

True

[vital fractal]

Exactly it doesn’t

[humble quest]

This is like the third time he's roped someone into the talk today

[hot vigil]

Compact on the the other hand, they need a new rifle

[vital fractal]

Compact needs explosive ammo

[manic plank]

Varmint rifle

[hot vigil]

Popcorn gun

[vital fractal]

And I am all the way down for it in the form of the colt lightning

[unborn dagger]

Compact literally has no new rifle that isnt a variant lol

[vital fractal]

I just need compact explosive ammo + explosive ammo rework

[manic plank]

What about a new single shot shotgun

[vital fractal]

The Romero exists…

I’m done lmao

[manic plank]

Again I want variety

[unborn dagger]

Ngl I feel like drilling kinda fits that role already

XD

[manic plank]

Poor damage fall off

[hot vigil]

Yeah, just hard to see how you can make a good "Wincester, but without levering" be relevant.
Guess you can give it higher damage.

[hot vigil]

Well, you cannot really make variety out of single barrel shotgun, they are kinda.... perfected design lmao

[humble quest]

This is like the definition of weapon bloat though. There's almost nothing meaningful another single shot shotgun will bring to make it's existence matter

[humble quest]

We have achieved hunt: loony toons.

Next id like a cav sword that sings to me like who framed Roger rabbit

[teal parcel]

Perhaps a better system would be to make solo revives revive the solo at a distant location from enemies, but only work once.
Such a shitty idea. You are (not the first one, I've seen this idea a bunch of times) asking for a risk free gameplay, go in, die, teleport to safety, go to extraction. Making the so called hard mode even more easy than it is now.

[tardy rapids]

While I understand this statement adding the concept of solo revive already limits the options on how to rework it to be less campy.

So if you could add some input instead of being that guy who points and says. "Shitty idea bad make game less hard". It'd help a lot to have the otherside of the opinion in providing their own ideas.

[teal parcel]

I've pointed out why exactly it is bad.
I have my own ideas about solo players, but people don't like them either.

[tardy rapids]

I'll go read em then thanks for mentioning it!

[hot vigil]

@signal mural giving solos a get-out-of-jail free trait doesn't fix solo necro.
That just makes it impossible to kill solos and giving solo zero-risk play.

[unborn dagger]

@storm cairn I do not understand why Adrenaline DOESNT work like your suggestion lol

[signal mural]

I'm not a fan of Solo Necromancer, not as a solo and especially not as a team. Something needs to be tried out, IMO, to stop this boring burn & camp gameplay.

I think this would actually give players a better chance to actively handle a solo. Situational awareness is necessary on both ends. Reviving into an Immolater burns a health chunk and lights the player on fire, C. Armored causes bleeding... just like by Shadow Step. Spawning into a horde would obviously be loud and a dangerous re-entry into combat.

If the Shadow Step range was longer while alive and shorter when reviving from death that would also be a way to balance it better. There could also be a cool down timer put on it after the first use, giving the enemy team more time to clear nearby AI and block any chance of revival. I think it could be balanced better than what we have but most people don't fully read a post so adding more details makes it a TLDR down vote.

[subtle lichen]

I think it's mostly fine at the moment. I would personally make it a burn trait, and put an upper limit on how long you can study the floor for, just to stop people from waiting out most of the game and then running for an extract. Higher availability of burns is a good balancing change. It speeds up what in many cases was innevitable anyway, which is the solo standing up and getting shot almost immediately.

[signal mural]

Yeah, I could care less about people being allowed to keep their Hunter at this point. The game has become too forgiving in that aspect - Death Cheat as a rare trait drop, free Recruits with better gear & useful traits at Tier 1 onward, and more & more Restoration traits & options...

As it is solo Necromancer is most useful as a solo sniper or in chaotic multi-team shoot-out. Otherwise it is a toxic gameplay drag that pretty much mandates the insta-burn culture we're seeing now. I think it being a 1x use per round ability for solo would be a nice fix. Or just give a counter-trait or item to banish the Solo Necromancer... something that has little to no other use (Holy water tool that burns the Necromancer trait from a downed Hunter, Death Knell Trait that allows you to perma-kill a downed solo by holding 'e' on their corpse - pop-up appears regardless & has no effect on non-solos)

[hot vigil]

Okay I can quickly tell you why it wont work.
You kill a solo in a house, they poofs away. You don't know in what direction, how far or how close. The solo knows where you are and now can camp you.
Another scenario: You caught a solo on an open road and killed them 120m away, you remain in clear line of sight as you approach them, but it doesn't mattter, they poof into cover and you have no idea if that was to the left or right side.
Also it just becomes even more feast or famine being 100% reliant on AI around you.
You have my guarantee that if this got implemented, solo-players would complain 1-2 months after that the skill is useless when the meta now becomes "kill all AI in the area".

[hot vigil]

Making it burn just makes people even more conservative and will wait out as long as possible until the last second to get up as they would only get 1 chance.
Putting a time-limit on it would force them to take a chance or fold.

[signal mural]

If it's radius is 30meters or less than you have a pretty good idea where they could have gone. 50m is too generous. Its range could be similar to Necromancing an ally.
If they wait too long searching for a great blind-pick they'll likely be burning and lose another bar. If they choose something where there are multiple blips then they'll likely aggro the other nearby AI giving the enemies time to react.

As it is at 120m away most Necros can get up and if they have resilience still run off... so not much of a change there.

I'm not saying it's not potentially a flawed idea but I think it's better than what we have now.

[signal mural]

Burning them is setting them a time-limit. Salveskin unfortunately makes that time limit way too long.

[hot vigil]

30m is a house over, think you really underestimate how gone a solo is if they gets to pop it.

[hot vigil]

Trust me, waiting to burn a corpse that have no chance of coming back unless you get a stroke yourself gets really fucking tiresome.

Just to show you, this is 30m from my player position to the wall.

I could die on this wall and get deep into this compound.

I could die on top of the roof and relocate back down to the ground AND in cover.

[subtle lichen]

I think only having the one chance would be about right. 9 times out of ten, you're trapped, or someone has their gun pointed at you. But on the rare occasion that they don't, it pays off.

I normally don't bother ressing more than once if I get insta-plugged. There's no point in that case.

[hot vigil]

Sure sure, just saying if you give people ONLY one chance then they will play the long game 99% time due to fear of ressing into a bad spot.

[signal mural]

No doubt. I'm just looking for some middle ground solution.

It could even be 15 or 20m. My point is it could be tweaked and tailored to make for better game play. Less distance but health chunk limited, more distance but 1x use, slow-activation, audible use... whatever...

There's a point where the niché use of self-revive needs to be controllable by the opponent too. I think needing to take multiple tools/consumables to deal with one Solo Necromancer is a bad mechanic - especially when they aren't immediately effective. It's silly that players are being held captive having to watch a body burn for multiple minutes or risk being shot in the back.

[subtle lichen]

Flare gun is the go to in my experience. You kill someone, then flare them. If they res, you kill them and loot them. Chances are you'll get the flare back.

And so on.

Or from a toolbox even.

[hot vigil]

I agree with the last point, but I really don't think that a teleport trait for solos revive is gonna feel good to play against in any scenario.

[tiny pivot]

Tbh with regen even team necro has issues
It very much just reeks of a perk that is objectively bad that we’re all supposed to stick with because solos get upset
Meanwhile most every other similar game has nothing like this
I don’t even use necro, you don’t need necro to be successful in solo or group. I’ve wiped servers on my last of my 9 cat lives, I can do it on my first. It’s honestly, just a massive skill issue, totally not bias :P

[subtle lichen]

I would say that the only people who really suffer from solo necro atm are other solo players. Teams admittedly get tied up watching, but it could well be the same if another member of a duo or trio is waiting for you to leave.

[subtle lichen]

I think the unfortunate reality is that solos get quite a bit of help, but it's quite heavy handed how some of it has been implemented. Things like getting dropped into a lower MMR shouldn't really be a thing. Longer range on serpent, double dark sight boost with a trait, and so on.

Necro is just one aspect of solo assist that is perhaps in need of some attention.

I personally don't think you should get dropped into a lower MMR (or at least as low as it is at the moment) just because you're solo.

[tiny pivot]

I tend to stay out of necro conversations but plainly I think that the Necro change is a massive crutch meanwhile all the other changes are more understandable.
I’ve wiped teams regardless of solo, necro, mmr, anything, so it doesn’t really affect me.
Hunt is already meticulously designed in such a way that I feel it’s very easy to play the underdog

[subtle lichen]

I'm a solid 3 star player. When I play solo, the biggest threat to me are other solo players, because the duos or trios I usually face are way lower down the skill tree and it feels bad killing them.

[hot vigil]

For sure regen have made necro waaaaaaay better than it used to be.
But still think it is less intrusive to gameplay than solo necro is.

[tiny pivot]

My most largest problem with Necro is distance, also. Like the fact you can snipe someone and they just limp away. It’s not engaging for anyone and there’s no reasonable method to burn from extended distances so you’re just SOL :P

[tiny pivot]

Oh yeah, it’s just the combination

[hot vigil]

For sure Necro is huge crutch the exponential amount of solo players hunt have gotten since solo necro is proof of that :)

[tiny pivot]

I try not to say skill issue… but :PPPPPP

[subtle lichen]

@glad plaza #game-ideas message Counterpoint - Unless you do a dollar wipe, you're still going to have players sat on multiple hundreds of k in dollars who this won't apply to. The only people the recent change has made any real difference to is people doing prestige, and people who were struggling to begin with.

[hot vigil]

It ain't even about that, since day one solo have been sold and acknowledge as "Hunt's optional hard mode".
So it is expected that the skill-floor is higher in solo play.

[signal mural]

Well, thanks for the constructive feedback discussion y'all. I appreciate hearing some detailed opinions.

[glad plaza]

Yes indeed, I did forget to include that in.
I am prestiging myself and I still feel like it's a good idea

[subtle lichen]

I've been a vocal supporter of what they did in the last patch to "level the playing field" so to speak. But I think that some balancing is needed to weapons now that money is less of an issue. Some weapons, there is now very little reason to take them e.g. springfield.

[hot vigil]

np np.
Just think the biggest step to resolving the solo necro issue is to identify the issues people have with it first.
Usually you will get a lot of "skill issues" or "you can't handle a single guy?!" thrown in your way when you voice issue with the skill haha.

[hot vigil]

Dum dum to Cenny truly was a mistake haha

[glad plaza]

People struggling shouldn't be an issue now that the free hunters don't really need anything, maybe regenerative shot - 40 hunt dollars or a dynamite as a grenade 18 hunt dollars

[signal mural]

Yeah, it's toxic irony because honestly in 97% of the cases it probably wasn't a trade that a Solo's reviving from... and that means the solo was already bested - that single guy - was already handled and now I have to spend minutes playing crematorium worker because he or she is salty and would rather that I waste my time watching them burn or take a MMR bump for killing them 4-5x... It's just ludicrous.

[hot vigil]

Eyup. When solo necro got annouced it was gonna be a permanent thing a lot of solos talked about how it was great bc it would save so much downtime for solos as they now have to spend less time in and out of matches. But dunno, solos willingness to wait for minutes seems like that ain't the issue haha.

[subtle lichen]

There's an old saying that no matter how mind numbing an activity is in a game, if it gives you an advantage, players will use it.

[hot vigil]

Eyup, whole ARPG and looter shooters are built around people wanting to grind for hours to get slightly better gear haha

[signal mural]

Not patient enough to not make a play that gets them killed but patient enough to wait long enough that people believe they'll stay dead.

[hot vigil]

Eyup.

Dunno, just don't think there can exist a self-revive that will ever live up to the hopes and dreams of solo-players.

[teal parcel]

Right now its hunt's piss easy mode.

[hot vigil]

In general or solos specific?

[teal parcel]

Playing solo is easier than teams, you get enemies that are way less skilled than you, and 3x the rewards. And solo perks on top of that

[subtle lichen]

I'm inclined to agree. The MMR penalty shouldn't be a thing.

[crystal plume]

That is not true for everyone

I face the same people I face as a full trio when I solo

[subtle lichen]

Or at least, it shouldn't be as big as it is.

[crystal plume]

It depends on if you were close to the bracket threshold to begin with

[teal parcel]

Might depend on MMR. If you are a 3 star the game drops your mmr so hard it struggles to find teams of 3 and match is often 5+ solo players. If you are a six star I guess it doesn't matter because you get 5 stars anyway

[subtle lichen]

This is my experience in 3* as well. It could well be to do with the time of day I play though.

[hot vigil]

Don't think it is about bracket threshold, but an MMR point threshold overall.
When people reaches mid 4 star, they are usually cable enough to handle either shooting or game-sense well enough.
So getting deranked from mid 4 star to mid 3 is way more of a boost for solo player than mid 5 getting deranked down to mid 4.

(somewhat arbitary numbers used).

[arctic hemlock]

I've had 4 games in a row now that has had chinese players on at minimum one full team. I don't care that they are chinese. I care that they will have a crazy ping which makes the game so unfair its pointless playing

[tiny cobalt]

If you look a little closer, you can notice that the teleport self revive is limited to one use within the suggestion.

[tiny pivot]

And then, for some reason, they decided to buff and buff solo players because of other tangential issues. Nobody wants to say it but the only reason they ever have buffed solos is because finding teams in this game is weird and scawy and people would rather just play solo myself included, but people don't want to actually get better at the game to make up for it. It doesn't help that hunt lacks proper voip and as far as I know has a bit of a colorful community

[hot vigil]

Well, even a one time use is busted

[crimson dirge]

lol, good luck getting them to care. crytek are so lazy their response is "but some players may have already bought the game and don't have good latency to the servers so we can't set a limit."

In five minutes I came up with 5 ways to fix this. It's clear they just don't care.

which is ironic because I also bought the game, and multiple events, and DLCs... but screw me and my experience, right?

[crystal plume]

I'm fairly sure that has not been their response in this context at any point

[crimson dirge]

I can show you exactly where, in a video provided to me by a mod of this server

[crystal plume]

People will always have at least one region available to them no matter their connection yes, but that is not related in any way to what people are complaining about

[crimson dirge]

@crystal plume skip to 12:00 in the 1.5.1 video here

[hot vigil]

Think another reason is that they looked at the analytics and discovered there were a good amount of people who wanted to play solo, but couldn't reach the current skill-floor.
That and also they started to work very closely with Hunt streamers for feedback, which also solos a lot.

[crystal plume]

Yeah it's not related to what was being discussed

[crimson dirge]

So the comment I was replying to was about ping, not MMR. I have a whole paragraph about MMR that I typed yesterday but decided no to share because, well.. obviously crytek doesn't care lol

[crimson dirge]

read the comment I replied to again... " I care that they will have a crazy ping which makes the game so unfair its pointless playing"

[crystal plume]

Yeah, which again is not related to the point that was discussed in that video

They are complaining about people connecting to servers other than their intended region essentially

[crimson dirge]

lol you didn't watch the video. the question is litereally "will there ever be region or ping lock?" and they said exactly what I said "no, because some players have already bought the game and have bad latency"

[crystal plume]

Which is not related to the point mentioned in the video about if there was a hard ping limit, it would prevent some people from connecting to any server

The amount of people who have higher latency than the intended limit even on the region closest to them is a minority and not something that will effect in your matches most of the time in any way

[teal parcel]

I bet there are just not enough servers in Asia

Or maybe people are upset that there are too many cheaters there, and come to EU

Maybe solving these problems will solve yours automatically

[crimson dirge]

no stop, don't bring up another problem with the game. They'll have to rationalize more why it's only a you problem, and no one else is experiencing it

to be fair though, cheaters are in every game so I can't blame crytek for that

[bright sapphire]

They are upset they can't win 100% of the time.

EU is in a sorry state rn

[rugged wigeon]

sorry state is putting is lightly

The first 4 matches i did today had atleast 1 full team of people from china, and the matches after them 4 have had atleast 1-2 chinese players. Now lets be clear i have nothing against people from china, but the ping is the biggest issue. one of the i killed, jumped to the side run around the corner and then died to a bow headshot which was from the guy i killed. that is not on and unfair to expect players to put up with that

[bright sapphire]

Last 3 games today I got clapped by trios from China/Russia with under 100h and lvl 1 steam accounts or even steam accounts that weren't set up. Always one step ahead. Playing like they have 500h minimum.

[crystal plume]

I advice stopping here before reaching terratory that goes against our rules regarding discrimination/xenophobia 🙂

[bright sapphire]

Would be nice to have some kind of replay feature after the game is over. Some people just seem to have insane awareness for their playtime.

[arctic hemlock]

LMAO

talking about a region, not a group of people isnt discrimination or xenophobic

[teal parcel]

if you have problems with the game you are racist

[crimson dirge]

lol what a BS answer. "I don't have an excuse so I'm gonna ban you for bringing up what country someone is playing from" when it's CLEARLY relevant to the discussion

[rugged wigeon]

its not discrimination if its a fact that is ruining the game. im not exactly blaming chinese people, im blaming crytek for allowing this to happen

[crimson dirge]

Do you work for crytek? Is this an official discord? I am screenshotting this conversation and contacting them. this is insane

[crystal plume]

Go ahead

[narrow ruin]

This is odd behaviour from mods

[arctic hemlock]

Been like it forever

anytime this subject gets brought up they purge

[narrow ruin]

crazy but true

[woeful flame]

x)

same drill for past 7hours

plagued as i like to call it

[rugged wigeon]

yeah its beyond a joke

[bright sapphire]

I couldn't care less about a specific nationality. But when the subjective experience of plenty of players in a certain region seems to be negative because of an apparent influx of players from another region, then it may be worth giving us some kind of feedback.

Even something like: "Our data shows this, you people are biased and wrong", would be nice.

But silence just stirs resentment. And my personal experience recently on the EU servers has been quite negative because of players from China/Russia. Not because of their nationality, but because they very effective gamers for reasons more or less suspicious.

[arctic hemlock]

exactly. The lack of any proper response about the ping and cheater issue just breeds more and more resentment. You hit the nail on the head

[woeful flame]

couldnt have said it any better brother

[crimson dirge]

yeah I just emailed corporate. this is wild. this guy should not be a mod

[e-mail] if you want to share your opinion

[signal mural]

What tracker is that?

[manic plank]

I only have 1000+ hrs and I have above par hearing. I’m right about something 99% of the time. I’ve heard things that won us the game.

[crimson dirge]

I can't get over EducatedBacon replying to cleancarp, but bacon is the one with a fish in his avatar

[manic plank]

It’s a custom pfp I got for my YouTube channel

[crimson dirge]

lol well it's cool, I was just confused for a sec who made the comment

[bright sapphire]

Same. And it was just enough a few months ago to win us games. However the hearing and eyes of people have greatly improved for the past few weeks 🤔 . And I would like to think my hearing isn't that much worse than some months ago.

[manic plank]

It’s annoying when people miraculously notice you even though you were silent

[bright sapphire]

It's why I'd like a replay feature after everyone left the game.

Maybe I sneezed or smth in my bush

[manic plank]

Also with a replay feature I can get clips I missed bc I was in the middle of something and didn’t have time to clip it

[woeful flame]

i believe i cant name them, but there are only two out there, one got people false banned, so the second one ;)

[crimson dirge]

PUBG is a terrible game but that's one thing they did right. The replay feature is really robust and makes it abundantly clear when someone is cheating vs when they just got lucky and saw or heard something that you didn't think they would notice.

Another thing crytek could learn from pubg is listening to the playerbase by offering surveys. listening to only streamers is a horrible way to get feedback about your game. streamers do not represent the general population of gamers.

[manic plank]

True

Streamers also get paid by crytek so they’ll be sick ups when it comes to suggestions

Suck ups

[crimson dirge]

not to say streamers' opinions don't matter. you can get some great feedback there. but it should be part of a balanced diet

[quick kettle]

They have started doing surveys: #general-announcements message

[crimson dirge]

oh i didn't know that. lol no wonder

[arctic hemlock]

They will only send out surveys with regards to the event storys which most people couldn't care less about

[crystal plume]

That is not true either, plenty of partnered streamers voice their opinions quite audibly, even negative ones

[normal horizon]

I wouldn't say started, there have been surveys about things for years 😄

[crimson dirge]

is that only in the discord though? I played for almost 500 hours before I even knew about the discord. It would be really nice if the survey was on the lobby screen in-game.

[manic plank]

I just joined this discord. I looked at their channel but there wasn’t a link to discord. Then I went to their website and got the link there

[crimson dirge]

have had the game since 2018 and have never once been asked my opinion. where can i share it?

[normal horizon]

#feedback probably

[crimson dirge]

yikes

[rugged wigeon]

These are all surveys about the events and what we thought about them, not a total gameplay experience.

[signal mural]

I'll do my research then, thanks. It doesn't include people's avg. ping to the server though?

[crimson dirge]

so there's no like standard dataset that you guys collect, it's all just one-off feedback ideas?

[normal horizon]

I dont know, I just make videos. community managers handle sentiment which is gathered from socials

[teal parcel]

There was a survey recently in client iirc

[rugged wigeon]

yeah so its ended XD

[manic plank]

How long do you think this conversation will go on for before another topic arises

[crimson dirge]

"this will be the first feedback survey to guage your feelings on in-game topics" so there it is, 5 years in and they finally asked us what we wanted. I just didn't see it. So that's progress I guess

[crimson dirge]

I'm pretty heated after that BS answer about xenophobia and I'm off sick today, so I've got all day 🙂

[manic plank]

Me too, expect school closed due to snow

[humble quest]

Bacon just wants to talk about medium lever actions.

[manic plank]

And I’m not heated yet

[crimson dirge]

lol

[manic plank]

No I don’t

I want to talk about how they need more slate skins

[crimson dirge]

I can get on board with this

[humble quest]

Shorty cents need skins before other stuff with options

[manic plank]

There is only one non dlc slate skin and it’s 700. It not even that good too

[humble quest]

Skins being good is hugely subjective

[manic plank]

True

But it also expensive for the only non dlc option

[humble quest]

That's just how bb skins are.

[manic plank]

But 700 is a lot

[crimson dirge]

when you say "good" are you considering anything other than how cool it looks? that's all I consider. am I just a noob?

[humble quest]

Regularly cycle through sales for 40%+ off

[manic plank]

But you can’t predict what will be on sale

As far as I know

[humble quest]

That is often the nature of sales.

[manic plank]

I only consider the price and if I like the look

[bright sapphire]

Feedback existing is good. I'd just like to see more communication from the devs on anticheat/matchmaking at some point, even if they tell us we're silly paranoids. Love the aesthetics of the game and the setting too much and my personal experience with matchmaking has been meh lately.

[manic plank]

I was toying of the idea of a throwable that TEMPORARILY stops necroing. To fix the necro problem

[humble quest]

Necro isn't a problem. Especially with how available burn is now.

[bright sapphire]

This. Flare gun broken.

[crystal plume]

Focused team for countering cheats and exploits the coming year - https://youtu.be/sxVu-IxiiIQ&t=242

Also #hunt-general message

[manic plank]

It’s for the people whom think it’s a problem

[crimson dirge]

yeah look, if I didn't like something about the game or if I didn't think it had potential, I wouldn't care and I wouldn't share my feedback. Crytek needs to figure out that feedback is a gift and 100% what you said cleancarp - they need to communicate with the community (notice how those two words have the same root? you can't really have one without the other)

[humble quest]

It's not a game wide actual problem that needs additional solutions.

There are counters to Necro that exist, if you don't take them by choice then it's a you problem.

[manic plank]

I think it’s annoying but it’s not a problem

I’m just giving ideas

[crimson dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/were-talking-about-black-holes-neil-de-grasse-tyson-star-talk-were-talking-about-universe-discussion-about-dark-hole-gif-20163304

[manic plank]

Wtf

Oh

Really

[humble quest]

Imo if there is any issue with Necro it's just a symptom of a mid-range solo player getting the MMR reduction to go stomp on low skill/casual players.

[manic plank]

I still don’t get it can someone tell me what going on. I thought I did

[crimson dirge]

black holes are where things go and you never see or hear about them again... (community ideas) it was a bad joke and a bit of a stretch, sorry

[manic plank]

It’s fine I don’t care. I know what a black hole is I just don’t know how it related to my comment

But it’s true

I wonder what the next update that brings gun will include

Any theories

I’ve heard one about the krag

[humble quest]

Explosive ammo for all guns and variants. Including sabre

[crimson dirge]

krag shorty? obrez*

[manic plank]

No it’s about it’s magazine I forget what exactly

I could go for a krag shorty though

Explosive ammo kinda sucks

[humble quest]

It do

[crimson dirge]

I think it's kindof a meme. fun to mess with people but it's not super effective

[manic plank]

Yup

What about a small ammo bolt action. Higher damage low ammo capacity and higher recoil

Low range

[humble quest]

Except explosive xbow users. They can all go to the black hole

[crimson dirge]

I remember shooting the ground next to someone that was hiding behind a box at Alice. I shot the ground less than 2 feet away from them no less than 6 times before I realized I was never running explosive again lol

[manic plank]

Like a varmint rifle

[teal parcel]

Krag obrez silencer deadeye

[crimson dirge]

omg stop, I'm too excited now. I could do without the deadeye but either way that would be dope.

before I suggest it, has anyone suggested or has it already been considered - separating the game into "casual" and "competetive" modes? This almost never works out because streamers always selfishly troll the casual modes for content, but I'm curious nevertheless

[ionic glen]

@near pawn how does your idea differ significantly from a poison bomb? I was thinking you were going to propose having it attract mobs or something.

[crimson dirge]

I think if meatheads dropped poison bombs when they don't drop traits, that would satisfy rangiku's idea. Sounds like basically "make poison more available in the game" since you can find lanterns everywhere but you'd have to get lucky to find a poison bomb in game from a toolbox or looting a player.

[near pawn]

poison bomb does just the cloud

doesnt do aoe like dynamite or frag

[ionic glen]

So it'd be a stronger poison bomb?

[near pawn]

yes

could do without the poison cloud even, youve got quests to poison hunters or armored kills, or even some bosses are vulnerable to poison, but unless you have it in ammo loadout or you get lucky with ammo boxes on supply points, you would drag boss through poison traps and make him stand in it xP

[crimson dirge]

ooo actually - what if instead of poison cloud, it left a poisonous gloop on the ground. so it explodes and gets on anything in the area, then leaves the gloop on the ground so if you run through it, you take damage. Now it's less detectable than the cloud, so you would likely have to counter that with slower damage or something.

[near pawn]

poison cathegory just seems to be bit lacking compared to fire while in the game

[crimson dirge]

@fossil tinsel that is a fun idea

[fossil tinsel]

Everyone out here giving to serious of answers we need little fun ideas once and awhile I have another one further one suggesting we get to pet the beetle as a inspect

[vital fractal]

@storm cairn explosive ammo = unlimited sprint Stam lmao

[manic plank]

I agree with both statements

[manic plank]

@fossil tinsel about the powder bomb. Throwables already give good visual cover. We dont really need a visual cover throwable

[fossil tinsel]

But it be nice to not have to waste a explosive to hide yourself or hell it could be used for pushing or for retreating instead of wasting a explosive I could be using for a player

[manic plank]

True

[fossil tinsel]

The only non lethal "cover" we have is a choke bomb but they aren't the best for pushing

And having to waste a item that I could be used to save my teammate also just feels wasteful

Having a smokebomb wouldn't just help with retreating or pushing but also item management

[native lodge]

those are sadly client side effects so the cover is not really as good as it looks

[vital fractal]

Just another post advocating for making might actually dark

Seriously, we have tools for darkness- give them purpose outside our burning hunters- something we have so many options already for

[unborn dagger]

@paper belfry Lightfoot is not useless. You can climb ladders, vault, and drop silently if it isnt high enough. Only people who consider it useless are ones who would constantly spam jump.

[vital fractal]

Kite skin should increase the distance before you take fall damage

Would be a nice tie into light foot

[unborn dagger]

That would be pretty good tbh

[woeful flame]

Not trying to hate or anything, but I dont understand the refrences to posts that are older than your join time x) (dont you see the problem?) since then nothing has been done/said regarding the issues, the only thing that has been done was ban of reshade which on its own was not considered cheating,

Crytek could have simply just banned the older versions of reshade like many other games, because as many people proly dont know, the exploits w reshade were only doable with really old versions since the updated reshade itself prohibited the use of said addons.
The Devs simply took out an entire utility tool which to be honest was doing a hugely better job at anti-aliasing than the game itself.

The entirety of the roadmap video covering issues at hand is less than 20s half of which is about reshade.

people are now using rewasd to get aim assist on PC,
'specific' people are plauging the matchmaking with huge visible advantages (+avto scripts),
having 50 consumables exploits hasent been fixed yet,
duplicating items in the inventory is still up,
duplicating consumables in game is still up,
flares/chokes have e ratio of 3/2 which on its own makes this event exactly the opposite of previous event which required +7 lanterns to fully burn a hunter,

so many issues that affect everyone, yet we only get a DLC?
personally ive spent +500euros on hunt since its the only game that is actually worth playing regarding the time you spend, but since moving towards the corporate side of the things instead of the community based team that hunt once was, 0euros have been spent.

the game is moving towards a live service system yet we rarely get actual balacing updates/patchnotes/hotfixes?

what is happening?

[crystal plume]

Reshade had more issues than just 3rd party filters, you can do a lot more for visibility in night maps and such than any monitor or nvidia setting can. They already showed their stance on said filters way before reshade when they blocked nvidia freestyle filters. If you have to sacrifice some anti aliasing for overall more level playing field, I'm sure you can manage like the rest of us.

Rewasd doesn't do anything for Hunt since aim assist only exists for console, not for PC even if you play with a controller.

If by "huge visible advantages" you mean ping advantages, all I will say to that is that ping is not an advantage no matter how hard people want to believe so and I will not go through another multi hour argument regarding it for the 500th time, sorry.

Consumable exploit is known and being worked on by the developers.

Flare pistol thing is more of a balance aspect and idk how it's related to the other things you are listing unless your aim was to just complain in general.

DLC has nothing to do with issues, artists have full time jobs and create new art (DLC cosmetics and such) on a regular basis, DLC has always been a monthly occurrence.

I also do not know what you mean by "moving towards a live service system" when the game has literally always been live service.

And I also don't understand what you think the alternative should be to refencing an old post even if it was posted before someone joined, the same points still stand. Are they supposed to repost the same thing on a regular basis for it to be considered relevant?

[paper belfry]

Ok but taking out the silent jump completely doesnt seem like a good idea either

[crystal plume]

I think it was a great idea, it was silly to let people move without making noise if they know to use the trait in that specific which

The faster you move the more sound you make, that should always be the way it works

Lightfoot hopping bypassed that

If you want to move silently, you gotta deal with the movement speed penalty of crouching

[paper belfry]

I just think that maybe things like this could be tied to stamina, also giv8ng a little rework on how stam works and also nerfing stam shot.

For example, if you have low stamina you start making more noise even with lightfoot, and for the stam shot nerf instead of just completely removing any stamina penalty, maybe just making any action consume the hapf of stamina, and stamina recovers half faster,

[unborn dagger]

Yes it was due to people who do nothing but jump spamming

Not to mention it is rare to have the need to jump (other than trying to dodge bullets) because this is isn't Apex or COD

[humble quest]

No matter what little requirements you tag onto it movement tech like Lightfoot allowed do not really have a place in hunt as it's presented and they clearly felt the same in its removal

[woeful flame]

As stated earlier, Reshade served as a utility tool with various useful applications; however, we are collectively moving forward without it.

Regarding ReWASD, I appreciate the insight; I wasn't fully aware of how it was managed, so thank you.

It's reassuring to learn that efforts are being made to address issues, especially given the complete lack of communication about them.

The mention of the flare pistol arises from the acknowledgment that Hunt is a 'LSG,' a topic I'll delve into later. How can it coexist without any balancing updates? The previous event rendered the game frustrating, especially for those in 'Infernal' pact who seemed nearly invincible or incredibly difficult to handle. When an issue is identified, logic suggests addressing and balancing it, not completely removing or reversing it (RIP Flashbombs). These drastic changes rendered many elements useless, with the prior event making burning ineffective and the current event making firebombs obsolete.

Your point about DLCs is valid; however, it raises concerns when, in the last 17 Hunt news/updates, only four pertained to the actual game rather than 'Dev Stream, Events, Merch, DLCs.' We are receiving more DLCs per year than actual patch notes and updates.

Regarding 'LSG,' Hunt Showdown was initially distinct from other LSGs, fully dedicated to the community and less corporate.
The fact that the references are older than your join time highlights an issue; relying on older sources for clarification indicates a lack of resolution regarding cheating issues.

---

When I mention 'huge visible advantages,' I'm referring to numerous instances where shooting someone with low ping results in a hitmarker after a delay of 3 seconds. There are also scenarios where there's pinpoint accuracy on players from the EU, yet those specific individuals seem to magically dodge bullets from the same person with similar mechanical skills and connection. This issue is exacerbated by the fact that, despite Hunt evolving into a competitive shooter, it still relies on full client-side logic and server-side validation, which doesn't contribute to a fair gaming experience. The impact of FPS/ping on the precision of bullet velocity should not be a factor.

Numerous examples exist of individuals with less than a 1KD playing in their own regions but magically achieving a +2 KD after joining EU matches. These players often don't affect lower-ranked matches (3-4* or below) because they quickly move up to 5-6*, perhaps contributing to the prolonged neglect of these issues.

[main plover]

Just a small thing, when I start a solo que against teams of 3 it gives this message, it still mentions a checkbox for allowing teams of 3, but I think that's been gone for a while

since it's this now

I think it's clear that you're que-ing against of teams of 2 or 3 the way it looks but maybe the text could use an update 🙂

[humble quest]

The checkbox is in the top right different box were talking about

[pallid yarrow]

Revive beetle.

[main plover]

I don't see any checkbox for allowing teams of three, since the two big boxes on the bottom right are there

Oh shii you got it first lol

[humble quest]

I assumed you just missed the one to not remind you anymore before I read the actual message 🙃

[topaz folio]

Dead ringers 'Double lemats doesn't stack like standard skins/no skin

[tiny pivot]

Would rather have this than necrodancer

[tiny pivot]

Known bug and as far as i’ve heardsadly not a priority to fix since it’s a small visual

[unborn dagger]

@split summit As much of a good idea as that sounds, Crytek won't do it since they need to rely on FOMO to gain players instead of the content of the game itself.

[split summit]

But I have to say that systems where you can go back to work on a battle pass require you to spend the full amount to even get access to it

[unborn dagger]

Are you saying that if you switch to a different bp youre stuck on that one in Infinite?

[split summit]

You can freely move working on one at a time essentially becoming somewhat of dlc pack that you have to earn

[unborn dagger]

I think that's ok. Just as long as you are allowed to go back to others once youre done with one

[signal mural]

@prime ibex A pistol sized shotgun... I assume this is a joke/troll suggestion. A sawn off Alamo is more likely & even to that I'd say 'Please, no.'

[prime ibex]

W/e you think bub

[signal mural]

@frigid folio I think giving a substantial amount of BBs for Bounty extraction would honestly just entice more cheating.
I think just switching weekly challenges to permanently having Boss/Bounty based challenges active in addition to the others would be enough enticement.

[frozen crater]

Why again did Archie get a skin? I know hes good at sniping, but was he super popular for it back in the day? The content he does now isn't too popular.

[queen jungle]

@silent ocean I like the idea, but considering how many players are afraid of the dark, I doubt it'll ever happen.

[queen jungle]

@tall peak @midnight quiver @humble quartz Your psots in #feedback were removed for low effort. We require posts in that channel to be civil and provide detailed posts/feedback.

@rugged wigeon There is no region lock in Hunt and the devs have stated in the past that they do not intend to restrict players so specific regions since Hunt has an international community and people across continents play together commonly.

Who cares if the lobbies are half full, if we get to fight anyways?
Thousands and thousands of people cared. Go back a year and you'll find the feedback section flooded with complaints about matches not being 100% full. @humble quartz

[humble quartz]

Yeah because you get 2 bosses half of the time when lobbies are half full lol. This system makes no sense.
On one hand you care about full lobbies, on the other hand you dont get to fight half of it because there are two bosses

Fair matchmaking and adjust the number of bosses on how full the lobby is.
You can’t say this is worse than as a trio with average kda of 1.2 to face people 1,5 stars higher with 2,2 and 2,5 kda

[queen jungle]

Yeah because you get 2 bosses half of the time when lobbies are half full lol
No, that was not the reason lol

[humble quartz]

You deleted my post from yesterday, do you know who the people in the screenshots are?
40.000 kills, 6 stars all over 2.2 kda. We are 4 stars 0,9 1.2 kda. This is getting out of hand

[humble quartz]

I can’t understand your point.
You can also put 100 people in a lobby, but if the map would be 1.000x bigger, than who cares about the amount of players in it? If you will anyway only face 1-2 teams?

If there is only one boss, EVERYONE will meet there. Even even lobby if half full, 6-8 people will meet there and fight

If the lobby has 10 people and there are 2 bosses, you get the same result as if it were 6 people with 1 boss

[queen jungle]

Except it massively alters the gameplay. Having two bosses is meant to break up the fighting, it's meant to give people a choice and not having to fight to the death other just a single bounty.

[humble quartz]

So you prefer this rather than fair matchmaking?

Maybe make a difference between the lobbies. In 3 star lobbies okay, lets put bosses random so people can farm empty bosses.

But seriously, over 4,5 star lobbies no one wants to farm. 95% of people would prefer to have fair matchmaking and fight teams

Maybe put a filter where over 4 star lobbies, matchmaking could no longer be paired with 1,5mmr difference but maximum 1, better 0,5. And if lobbys are not full spawn only 1 boss

I can’t understand that crytek doesnt understand this.
A 3 star player with 0,8kda can stand a chance against a 4 star player with average 1.2kda

But how can a 4 star player with average 1.2kda stand a chance against a 5,5 6 star player with 2,5kda

The gap after 5 stars is just too big

[queen jungle]

So you prefer this rather than fair matchmaking?
Personally, I don't have any issues with the current matchmaking. I rarely get matched with people outside my skill range, usually they're maximum one star different - which is perfectly fine.

[humble quartz]

Do you want me to screenshot every unfair match i will play today and send it to you?
I will play around 10 hours today. Should be atleast 10-15 matches were matchmaking is frustrating and would let quit every new player

I play since 900 hours and love the game, i know what fair matchmaking is. Since 3-4 weeks it got crazy. I swear me and my team are frustrated at the point that we only play solo

Everyone by himself while beeing in vocal chat together

This is just sad

[signal mural]

Wait wait... Are you playing trios? The balancing is notoriously worse. The variables make MM totally wacked...

[queen jungle]

Duos is simplythe best Hunt experience by far

[humble quartz]

Yes we are a trio of 3 friends

[signal mural]

Trios is definitely the most unbalanced environment. It kinda comes with the territory though... especially if your team MMR isn't the same. Also with solo-necro creating more fluctuation in MMR you'll see a lot more crazily skewed teams. I guess you're aware of all this though with 900hrs in...

Maybe you should try rotating duos with your mates?

[humble quartz]

I am aware or that, that’s why we are going solo. The matchmaking as a solo under 5 star is broken. How can i as a 5 star have team mmr 3.. lobby wipes with 10+ kills happen every day this way and i just think about that poor guys facing against me (even though i’m an average player

If trio has a more unbalanced mmr, than why not balance only trios?
Let duos the way they are.
And trios can no longer face each other with team mmr difference 1,5. But maximum 0,5

Even if there are only 2 teams of three people in the lobby, with only 1 boss they get to fight eqch other.
Trio fights are most of the time much longer and rewarding, so better to fight only 1 team but with max 0,5 team mmr difference and the fight to be balanced

Instead of fighting against teams with more than double your kda because of their team mmr 1,5 point higher

Also on 4-4,5 team mmr and higher you no longer face solos in trio, so solos are not unbalancing the lobby like u said. Its only the trios

[tardy quartz]

@tropic plinth You seemed to have trouble gaining levels in the battle pass - have you tried doing your weekly challenges?

[signal mural]

The problem is the team MMR is an average of its components. A high 3*, low 4*, and mid/high5* could easily be ranked at a MMR4* which then allows high 3s and low 5s - rough when a trio of 3 low 5*s is an enemy team.

As for Solos I don't mean solo players in the queue rather the fluctuation of individual players' MMRs from either killing solo necros or being downed multiple times as a solo necro.... both can inflate or deflate a player's MMR way too quick leading to these skewed combinations in teams.

[signal mural]

☝🏻

[signal mural]

Sorry I forgot to tag for the reply.
The problem also lies with the players... some people want to show their new friends the ropes, some are playing with their casual friends or non-gamer partners...

KDA is also not always the best measure because some players take a break, their skill drops a bit or whatever - others join and have natural skill or play exclusively competitive FPS and jump in easier...

[queen jungle]

At this point, KDA just needs to be removed

Crytek continuously revealed more info to players thinking it would alleviate complaints if people had more data, but didn't take into account people not understanding the data correctly

[rugged wigeon]

if thats what they want then they need to do something with the servers. you cant play fairly against people from the asian servers.

[queen jungle]

Just go back to old times when there was no info about other players whatsoever

[tropic plinth]

If you read what I had written I did touch on the challenges and once again, they are tedious and not enjoyable not to mention they give hardly any xp.

Not to mention the amount of people who join lobbies to kill 5 armoured or burn 5 dogs and just leave instantly because they don't want to play the match using nagant poison or whatever random weapon they threw fire rounds on.

[torn flare]

SOLOS ARE TOO OP

Beforehand: I am most of the time a 5-star player, sometimes 6, sometimes 4, who cares. So this rant is not about "everyone else is better, this is not fair". I just enjoy playing with my mate, who is worse, 3-4 stars and way lower kd/a. This is fine, since we play together for fun, you win some you loose some.
But solo play got way out of hand in this game. It is just not fair and these are the problems I see with it:

1.) you get often matched against randoms who are just not coordinated, especially 3 stars
2.) this game scales extremely with game knowledge, knowing compounds, how to rotate and so on -> equal skill in shooters in general don't apply here so much
3.) 10 seconds dark sight is just way too much, why should it be double?
4.) self-revive (maybe the biggest point) is complete bs. You snipe from god knows where and if you ever happen to get shot you can comfortably revive yourself, even with completely full health with the right perks.
5.) bounty balance is WAY off. A duo or trio could fight the whole server, extract and still get rewarded only 800$, while solos just serpent, run away and extract with 2000$

I know solo play is nowadays a big part, a lot of streamer and crytek parterns profit from it, but its just extremely frustrating to play against. The introduction of self revive only gave already better players a huge benefit. And I know this game plays in a world of zombies and shit, but if you are shot down why would you be able to revive yourself, come on.

[humble quest]

Hardly any exp is simply wrong. Doing the weeklies throughout the event isn't difficult, and that alone will give you basically the whole pass. The small amount left is almost guaranteed from basic play.

Are you going to get the pass done in two weeks with only challenges? No. It's not intended to. Can you finish the pass in two weeks as a good player? Yes.

[fossil tinsel]

Because higher risk going in as a solo against let's say at most a trio team it's a 3v1 every fight higher risk higher reward of solos didn't have a self Revive it be one death and they're out where as a team one death they can be revived by their teammates how is nerfing a solos self Revive balance when a team of 3 can keep just reviving if a solo wipes a team of 3 then good for them it just means the team of 3 wasn't as good as they think they are

[hot vigil]

This, and actually my main issue with the current BP, it relies too much on the weeklies haha.
But I also just hate challenges in general :p

[hot vigil]

Playing solos into trios is optional :)

[fossil tinsel]

The complaints about solo players is getting overdone at this point

[torn flare]

The balancing already happens in matchmaking. And you choose to play vs trios. That's the difference.

[hot vigil]

Well, the issues people have voiced ain't getting addressed, so it is to expect they will persist being vocal 🤷‍♂️

[humble quest]

Challenges being boring or not what you want to do is a different matter yes. As they are though they are very capable of getting you the pass reliably with barely any or no additional grind.

[fossil tinsel]

Then their reward should be greater

[hot vigil]

Which is why I said "the current BP, it relies too much on the weeklies".

[hot vigil]

It is greater :)

[fossil tinsel]

Ya but it's a complaint that it is greater and that solos are ruining the game

I'm complaining about the complaining at this point

[hot vigil]

It is more a compound of multiple things.
Think most people wouldn't complain about the solo pay-out if it felt like it reflected the difficulty of playing solo into trios.
But rn you can play very safe and accrue great amount of wealth as a solo if you are a little smart about it.

[fossil tinsel]

Idk every other suggestion post complaining about necro solos is starting to get to me at this point

[hot vigil]

It is a very stale subject

[torn flare]

I was never active here so I can't say if that's an ever ongoing discussion. But it is true, the fact that I am stating it now shows it is still a problem. At least for me. I think I made fair points, but if you are not interested in the discussion in general you can just leave it be. Because you will have to accept the fact that I am giving feedback in the feedback room

[hot vigil]

But a needed one as long as it impacts the game negatively for a good chunk of people.

[hot vigil]

Actually the feedback should have been written in the #feedback channel :p

[fossil tinsel]

Ya I was about to mention this is the channel discussing the feedback

[torn flare]

That is ok, I am open to a discussion, maybe I am missing points. But "complaining about the complaining" I don't consider a discussion.

[fossil tinsel]

At this point my end point is that with the endless amount of suggestions and discussion points about solo players at this point they know the community has an issue but if nothing has been done about it yet then don't think anything major will come out of it or atleast not for a long while

Is that the end goal answer everyone wants no but thats probably the most realistic answer

[torn flare]

Understandable, and as I wrote, I think they profit from streamers playing solo too much. So I wouldn't be surprised nothing ever happens. But solo play was available for a long time now and always ok. I think patch after patch it just bacame too obnoxious.

[subtle lichen]

I don't think nuking solo into the ground is a winning move, but there's a couple of tweeks they could make to it to make it a bit less obnoxious. Overall I don't think it's too bad though.

[tardy quartz]

The challenges give insane amounts of event points (which I assume you mean with "xp") - not as much if you do not spend the 1k BBs on the battlepass - in that case, you are complaining about a feature that you do not buy in to - which is odd, to say the least.

On the other point you made: do you have much experience spectating players who exhibit such behaviour (going into a match to kill ai and then leave)? - from my experience, that does not happen with any significant frequency. People leaving for weather reasons, sure.
There are plenty of poison options. If you wipe servers (as you claim), noise does not matter. so there's no need to take a silent nagant, if you hate it that much.

You can also shuffle away something you don't want to do, once per day - and calling the challenges "tedious" with most of them being something that you can do in one match as you play the objective and your team mates can help you with them as well, so you end up doing 4 challenges in one match... it's really not that difficult, nor tedious. And with the events duration, it's hard to take the complaint seriously, to be frank, especially with more than three weeks of event left.

[subtle lichen]

I'd make a couple of small changes. I'd nerf the MMR penalty you get playing solo because you end up seal clubbing half the time. I'd also limit self res to a one time use, make it a burn trait.

Then see how that plays out

[hot vigil]

Not sure how that logic works.
(big) Streamers are a small part of the playerbase and they get DLC for free

[hot vigil]

Well, issue with that approach is that it doesn't address the main issue people have about solo necro; the amount of time and tools you need to deal with one body.
Making it a 1 time use will just make solos even more conservative with the revive and make it even more needed to burn a body as solos now leans into the waiting game even further :)

[torn flare]

I am just assuming here ofc. A lot of the big streamers upload solo experience videos. But I too think the player base should be more important.

Yes, it takes a while to burn a hunter with Salveskin, while the game around you goes on. And the only solution would be body camping, which is not really fun for anyone.

[hot vigil]

While youtubers and Streamers does create free marketing, I think it is more simple than that.
That the game have better chances with retaining players if you don't have to rely groups of 2 or 3 people wanna play the game.
Having the solo experience being easy enough means that more people can play it by themselves.

[crystal plume]

Yeah I don't think that the streamers were the core focus when making the changes

Or honestly speaking even a small part of the focus, the devs just wanted to make solo play more accessible

[hot vigil]

Well, yes and no, as I did saw a streamer coming out defending the change as it would give solos less "downtime in and out of lobbies".

And it is known that Crytek listen to streamers for consulation and feedback.

[crystal plume]

Yeah but there's no proof that that opinion had anything to do with the changes