feedback-discussion

[trail carbon]

And it's basically peer pressure. It's pressure from a game you enjoy, telling you to buy this thing because it'll go away soon

[native lodge]

the game is not your peers

[trail carbon]

My bad, it's called "commercial engineering " apparently

Also, I didn't mean peer pressure literally

It's in a very similar vein to peer pressure

So it's effectively peer pressure from a product you enjoy

I don't know what that would be called, and if it has a name, it's probably sillier than just comparing it to peer pressure

[native lodge]

I enjoy a product I don't take decsions making ideas from it

like at some point a degree of personal responsibility has to come in to play

you can dislike a certian practice for being a shitty or annoying way to sell a product

my major grievance is that the cost asked to engage with the exclusive content has not been in my eye worth the content offered

and a far to repetitive at this point

[trail carbon]

Yes, but many people weren't taught that as a child. Some don't even learn it as an adult, they just keep spending and spending. And look, I'm not saying the end all be all solution is to fix this issue with hunt. It's a much wider socioeconomic problem, but like, I just want marketing tactics in games to stop being like this. Honestly, hunts tactic isn't even that egregious. However, it is still exploitative, so I don't really want to support that behavior.

[native lodge]

🤔 perhaps I can can explain myself a bit better

[trail carbon]

I mean, I get that your point is "just don't buy it"

And that may work for you and I, but it won't for many others.

Honestly, I wish people could just get it through their thick skulls to "just not buy it". I hate that people just shovel the $30 slop onto their plate and eat it.

[native lodge]

shitty -> I dislike the use of certain marketing tactics, they can feel cheesy
exploitive -> putting someone in a position where they must cave to action/terms, or otherwise face equal or worse outcomes

[trail carbon]

Exploitative doesn't necessarily mean literally force you to do it. It can also mean to subconsciously force you to do things.

[native lodge]

the key thing missing from me see exploitation is the "face equally bad or worse outcomes"

you face no worse outcomes for not engaging

[trail carbon]

I mean, the "worse outcome" is that you won't ever be able to get those skins again. Which, as you've previously stated, you don't care about. So, I don't think you're understanding how gripping fomo is to some people.

[native lodge]

and if it were something more important like food, shelter, heat, I would agree

its game, I can't feel bad for you at that point

I am not going to deny them their autonomy for better or for worse

[trail carbon]

Yes, I'm not saying we should look at people buying this stuff like: "oh you poor soul" but because they're having their lack of willpower exploited, we keep seeing marketing tactics like fomo. I'm so tired of it. I'm saying I want it to go away because it sucks for everyone else. They're using it because they know for a fact that a certain percentage of their players will buy all that stuff they're pushing out. That's why they basically removed the ability to get bloodbonds.

[native lodge]

and see if you said this is shitty and I don't like it

100% agree

[trail carbon]

Anyways, I believe we're dragging on here, as we've said the ame things over and over. Also, I must drive now, and I don't really want to crash my car that badly today.

Only a little

[native lodge]

keep your eyes on the road you, though I do believe I understand your point far bettre now

[trail carbon]

I'm gonna hit a pedestrian

[native lodge]

have a good one

[tiny pivot]

#feedback message

I really wonder what people want from a hunt event other than the ammo types and stuff. Plus you get those anyway by just... playing... and getting event points just like everyone else

And like. They already give you a skin for every gun involved, like 4 charms, and the weapon unlocks themselves (which are free)

If anything I just wish they'd give us slightly more rewards to replace the story unlocks or add BB or something to those for pass owners

With how long it takes to finish I really think it should give more financial rewards whether its direct skins, BB, hunt dollars, whatever

[tiny pivot]

i need any post with the word "matchmaking" in #feedback to get auto deleted

[dusky thunder]

Man this game fuckin sucks, 5 years later and they still haven’t figured out how to make something that works, you guys suck ass at your jobs

[shrewd finch]

It's good to meet you too, DryGuyAlex

[tiny pivot]

poor hunt devs, trying to make a feedback channel for genuine workable feedback and all they get is people complaining about MM and useless slop like the words above

[next ember]

The feedback is mostly valid but there are better ways of going about it...

[worn jackal]

@midnight wolf oh mate I feel bad for you when I see these screens

[wicked isle]

physician should not be a lvl 87 perk with how op bleed is now

[subtle lichen]

I would argue the feedback channel serves two purposes. First, it allows people to gauge ideas that they have and allows the community to see what others think.

But more importantly, it serves as a pressure relief valve so that all of the complaints and negativity are confined (mostly) to that one channel.

Except when DryGuyAlex had a brainwave and comes into Discord to spout the first sentence that comes to mind on a Saturday morning. Must have been a rough week at work.

[jagged wagon]

They asked for feedback regarding MM since they did their slight adjustments. They wanted to know if it felt better, and it doesn’t for a lot of people.

[hot vigil]

Honestly don't want Hunt events, it bloats and dilute what I like about Hunt at a rapid rate, forces me to play more Hunt that I really want leading to burnout and if an event mechanic/perk is unfun, I am forced to deal with it for 2 months.

I haven't played Hunt for 3-4 weeks after completing the event. And I am not excited nor hyped to see another event announced.
Due to the nature of weapons/perks being unlocks as event """"""""content"""""""", they don't get the time for testing nor fine tuning and skipping the test servers all together entering events sometimes broken or OP.
Events are not events, they are 2 months community Q&A.

That we pay for

[jagged wagon]

Aye, it was obvious days into the event that inferno was massively op, but instead of accepting that and rolling out some changes to fix it, they sat on their hands for 2 months and left it broken.

[hot vigil]

Yeah and also due to the nature of the event, bloodless+ made bleed ammo torable, but now, from what I've heard, Cenny dumdum is stupid oppressive.

Which in turn is an addition that was not needed, but they need to fill the battlepass with something, so now every weapon is gonna get every custom ammo.

[jagged wagon]

Sadly there was very little good that came out of this event, personal highlight’s were the bat (detractors need to remember hornskin is a thing, use it) and the silenced bornheim. The uppercuts are fine but I likely won’t run them and the cyclone is another spammy weapon we didn’t need. Also the statues/totems/effergys this event were truly obnoxious, you could be setting one off and not even realise since they could be triggered out of their audible range. Please never do that again crytek.

[hot vigil]

Totems are just the same old.

[jagged wagon]

I don’t remember the range on them being that wide though, much further than a clue for example

I have played every event they have been in since they were introduced and they have never been so obnoxious as they were this event

[hot vigil]

Yeah they were quite wide this time. But totems as base are the same thing we've done for years now.

[jagged wagon]

I know, that needs a change too, they need to get more creative with events, it’s just the same formula year after year.

[hot vigil]

Eh, that is fine, I play Hunt to play Hunt, not to play another game.

Or if they do change it up, then move it to wildcard

[valid linden]

What'cha think about this BB gun suggestion i made ?

[hot vigil]

Just don't what purpose it would function

Guess a more silent and less strong sparks?

[valid linden]

A more silent gun that Is stronger than sparks initially

But when you run out of pressure it's less powerful

[hot vigil]

Think that is a cool idea, but quite sure how that would work or be balanced.

[valid linden]

Each shot drops the damage until the tank is empty but when you reload it it's back to the initial value

[hot vigil]

But it is a single shot gun no?

[valid linden]

It is but i listed a mag variant

[hot vigil]

Well, there is a couple of issues, firstly, sparks is already 149 damage, so you cannot go higher than that.

Second, what kind of pen type is it gonna be?

[valid linden]

Sorry, pen type ?

English isn't my native language m8

[hot vigil]

Ah, well, Hunt have different penetration (and damage over distance) based on bullet types.

[valid linden]

ah... bullet type for a bb, understood

Hm... i kind of thought that dmg, pen, velocity should kind of depend on the tank pressure... So...

[hot vigil]

I think it would be more realistic if it had its own custom ammo type and was single shot.
So you reloads bullets on r key and gas tanks on x key (same as change ammo type).
It has 130 damage initally, with compact ammo drop off and stats and over the course of 10 shots it drops down to 110 damage.
You get 20 bullets and 2 tanks that both resupply at pick up points.
Upside is that it is a compact silent noise level and decent muzzle velocity starting at 600m/s dropping down to 400m/s.

[valid linden]

Oh... thx for the tip m8, I couldn't find any specs for this gun

[hot vigil]

Ah no, I just made those up hahaha

As my suggestion how I would make the gun

[valid linden]

I know but... well it's a start

[hot vigil]

And this is made with a very conservative stat-line.
But even last shot of tank is like a normal Winnie shot.

So not all terrible

[valid linden]

I guess that is the base of this gun so thx m8

• Idk about custom ammunition

The original uses 8 mm-ish bbs so... They can be hurtful but i guess they can be made out of different material

Poison would exist for these bbs, also lead, silver and gold

[hot vigil]

Well, we can give it medium ammo drop off too, but feel like they won't have a lot of pen. And historically, they were reported not to be very powerful at all.

Maybe actually still give it like 500m/s at the last shot.
But like I think this as a single shot weapon. For the sake of balance and bc otherwise it cannot be anything than a worse Cenny/Vet silenced.

So low fire power, but silenced and good bullet speed.

[valid linden]

Well... they can be powerful, especially with gold (gold is very dense) which can have the base damage boosted to 150... rho_{gold} = 19300 [kg m^{-3}]; r = 8 mm = 0.008 meters; volume = 4 pi r^2/3 = 2.15 10^{-6} [m^3] => mass = rho_{gold} * volume = 4.15 10^{-2} [kg]; Kinetic energy = mv^2/2 = 7470 [J] (that is a lot... that's enough to penetrate a bone even)

[hot vigil]

I just went by the historical records of the rifle's performance.

They didn't really performed that well, usually weak

[valid linden]

well.. idk... the info regarding this rifle is almost non existent

[valid linden]

4000 psi... A force of 222000 Newtons

Bro, here https://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-galleries/for-the-fun-of-it/case-48-airguns/paul-giffard-single-shot-co2-rifle.aspx it says that it concearned the military

[hot vigil]

Yeah also found little abour it, but the low use of the gun and discontinued production should be a good indicator the gun didn't performed well.

[valid linden]

That or it was complex and expensive to make

[hot vigil]

"In the words of one British expert, "after many experiments its promoters appear to have been convinced that, save for small target or saloon rifles and toy guns, the invention is practically useless."

[valid linden]

Ah... understood

British experts... They have answers for everything

[hot vigil]

Hahahah

Well. Just from same article you posted :p

[valid linden]

I know

[tiny pivot]

Tbh like

A lot of the arguement around events is subjective and probably pretty based on how much you play hunt as is

But yea 2 months qa is weird and also like

I was not expecting one so soon

Would I want them to delay it, no not really, but having 3 events with like, a collective month of downtime between them, is kinda crazy for any game

Both in terms of player perspective and WOW the devs must be in overdrive putting this shit out

In general I just think the pacts were the worst part of last event, a weird mix of Blazeborne being absolutely bonkers OP with nobody expecting otherwise, Death being sleeper useful but nothing compared to Blazeborne, and Demented being, complimentary to the name, absolutely inane and stupid, and I saw basically nobody using it outside of a handful of people in this discord and myself, because it was nothing compared to either of the two other perksets

Things like centennial dumdum and blazeborne and the like should've been adjusted and if I had to say anything I would want them to do more updates during the event itself

It feels like we got more reactions to people bitching about the wildcard constantly than we did actual updates and balancing to the new items

Which is funny, because that caused me to nearly miss out on 3/4 of the event's worth of wildcard gameplay because I work weekends. Thanks game, really cool, allowing the wildcard only on weekends, which 90% of normal jobs still work

Wildcard truely needs to just be a permenant side playlist so that people will stop complaining the moment they get into a match that isn't just midday

[crystal plume]

While blazeborn was strong, I honestly went for rampage 99% of the time first, sometimes not bothering with blazeborn at all and just stacking rampage

I only disliked blazeborn working while you're downed

[karmic ivy]

I can explain that...
See when crytek decides to focus on the event wildcard feature, and asks you your opinion, changes happen when you give it.

The key here is the wildcard feature is the area they feel needs changing and so they look to their stats and feedback to decide how to change it.

Now take the other case of "actual updates"...

Ill ignore the ambiguity of what an "actual update" is for the point of this statement.

In this case it is simply the users saying what they want and crytek has not already determined to change this thing.

You see change is not made because people clamor for it. It is made because the developers and investors decide a change will make the game more successful.

You see how the dynamics of those two situations are different?

[jagged wagon]

Inferno sadly became the only pact that made sense to take, get blazeborn, bloodless and an antidote shot and you were status immune. I picked up death a few times when playing solo, for the added info witness gave me, but that wasn’t really the correct choice. That was the biggest issue, inferno was the correct choice and the others were the wrong answer. Crytek should have made changes during the event, but they chose to leave it unbalanced.

[tiny pivot]

All I am going to say is that player metrics, on either side - developer or community outrage - are not a reasonable method to balance your game. Also see things like Death Cheat from last event that was completely broken for the entire event, and because of Hunt's inability to update or effectively bugfix, the perk virtually ruined the balance of the entire event.
Now, the balancing of these two events are kind of apples to oranges, but the idea is similar. One is bug related (Death Cheat not working properly), and the other is a combination of multiple factors (strong items featured in pass only during event, Bloodless versus Centennial dumdum, Blazeborne in idea being inherently unbalanced for most types of players).
None of these things should be an excuse for them to stop balancing, and while I personally enjoy events, the community reaction is surely one of the fact that they need to balance better for events instead of just praying on the excuse of "oh it will be gone eventually and just won't come back"
I love this game, and it's reasonable to be critical of it... blaming investors and "muh profits" is a self defeating arguement that does not lead to further conversation or any kind of impact or way to follow through for developers

I've only played actively for the last two events, and I can say without a doubt that the lack of balancing during events needs to stop. Especially if they keep doing events as consistently.

I will give the benefit of the doubt and say that the trilogy of the tides was likely planned in advance. As far as I know the beginning and middle of the year were pretty light on content updates, so it would make sense for the end of the year to be back loaded with content. And also hunt traditionally has long events.
Context just ensured: yes the year has been light on events. Devil's Moon went into February 2023, and Tides of Shadow did not happen until June

The short of it is this: Hunt obviously opts for longer events, with shorter questline/bonus little events in between if it happens. If events are going to end up being upwards of 2-3-4 months long, then I don't see why that's a reasonable excuse to quit balancing. I define an "actual update" as an update that adds meaningful balance changes (eg. Bulwark+flash bomb rework) or plain new content (Tides events, Devil's Moon, etc). And even playing for this short of time, those updates feel very uncommon for what is a game with balancing issues at times, especially during events. If anything, updates should be much more common during events.

[karmic ivy]

I think its fair to say you missed my point friend.

[karmic ivy]

I was not talking about crytek "quitting balancing"
I was talking about your comment where you were questioning why changes were made to one thing but not another.

[night dragon]

SEEKING ADVICE: Sniping. TLDR at bottom

Still new-ish. Been trying to be a better sniper. Go to weapon is Winfield Marksmen with high velocity, hand crossbow with poison, throwing ax amd Derringer. I like the low recoil , RoF , and ammo capacity of the Winfield but I might need to change that out. Read below

Last couple nights I have been getting hits and doing damage but been getting no kills

Case in point. We ambushed players crossing a bog by the crematorium. No idea how to determine distance but can say a standing man fit completely inside the alert triangle.

I did get at least 2 heads shots, but did not drop anyone. We did win overall as I was able to keep them pinned and life low. However it was a bit disheartening when you see the hit on the head and the people keep moving.

Long range, compact ammo, I get it.

TLDR
Trying to get better as a support sniper. Having issues with landing heads hots or dropping people at range. Looking for suggestions on videos to watch or alternate load outs

[subtle lichen]

Probably better suited to #game-questions my man, but at a cursory read through it sounds like you'd be better off using something with long ammo if I've understood the range correctly.

[worn jackal]

that's racist, no prove they are real chinese (yes sarcasm mode)

[night dragon]

Going to give the long ammo rifles a go tonight. I appreciate the feedback.

Thoughts on any particular one?

[tiny pivot]

Martini is a cheap option, but generally not the greatest, assuming max bloodline level and not infinite amounts of money, I'd recommend using the springfield krag or a lebel if you can afford them

Springfield marksman with HV is an excellent "practice" gun if you want to be cheap and practice with longer shots and rifles and such, the HV makes it into a mini long ammo gun basically by extending headshot ranges and stuff if I remember right

All the long ammo guns have different bonuses and sights and stuff, so I'd try all of them and see which one you fancy. Personally I recommend Krag and Lebel because of magazine sizes

[night dragon]

I tend to die alot so need to keep things affordable for the moment. KDR is still below 1 😅

[vestal cedar]

Statement "camping is ONLY a problem of design" is wrong in my opinion. You can't just dismiss gamer factor from the equation and blame it all on design, that's just wrong and ignores so many angles.

[stark fulcrum]

@tired barn idk why people down voted death certificates lol. I thought it was a good idea, just adds to the game imo. No downside there.

Folks are weird

[tired barn]

I agree it gives no downsides only more lore

And i like to belive after every match there is a team of undertakers collecting the dead hunters

[stark fulcrum]

Surely so

Like I said people are weird with votes in here sometimes

[tiny pivot]

i would try the springfield marksman with high velocity, and the martini henry for your situation then. both of them pair excellently with a new army or nagant officer for a more reliable pistol.

[late quartz]

Camping can only become problematic if the games systems allow it to be.

There are plenty of games where it's not even remotely advantageous, even plenty of games where it is advantageous but not problematic as it integrates into the core gameplay perfectly without friction or frustration.

I feel like you need to elaborate on what "angles" are being "ignored" here lol

Players are not at fault for playing in a way that maximizes their advantages or chance to win.

That's natural and predictable behavior. It's the burden of the developers to ensure that players are encouraged to play in healthy ways rather than unhealthy ways.

If an optimal playstyle is unhealthy or detracts from the experience it should be addressed on a systemic level and not a personal choice level lol

[unborn dagger]

@valid mango So maybe dont leave the map and piss off your random team mates?

[valid mango]

I will be because the rain map is the worst map created of all the games in the world! it's so cheaply made it's a shame to talk....

[unborn dagger]

Im glad I dont care about weather effects that much that I ruin other player's enjoyment. Maybe stick with solos next time

[white plover]

I will say I can somewhat agree with trios leaving rain maps (still don't completely like it because matches become more empty if it's rain) but a single person leaving and abandoning the team is a bit unfortunate

[gleaming acorn]

getting disconnected from every match since the update. NA west servers. this has never happened before, been playing 3 years. is there an exploit people are using? seems to be happening after i down people or when banishing is almost done.

happening to anyone else?

[unborn dagger]

I have been getting the server ping icon but Ive only disconnected at least once because of it.

[gleaming acorn]

man. i can't even play. its every game sometimes 2-3 times per match

i verified game files and reinstalled

[hexed seal]

first time i encounter this . i wanted to res someone with necromancer , all good loose a health bar and he couldnt get up . so maybe i lost the vision i tried again same result ?/? is this a new bug ?

[glass shuttle]

holy fuck we need a massive ban wave or something
we need more attention to the hackers atm coz im very close to just uninstalling and playin something else

its seriously 50/50 wether or not you get cheaters
absolute joke right now

[weary fox]

EAC is a pretty shitty anti cheat all things considered. Nothing much to do other than report the cheaters directly to mods or something

[queen jungle]

Shotgun shell detail error

[hushed sage]

Anyone else have terrible matchmaking since 1.14.1, all night we've been stuck against lobbies of MMR5s despite only being 4s with a low matchmaking score. Like, why is there a whole 5 star duo in this lobby

[tropic plinth]

My guy you're at least a 4 star, I'm the only 4 star in my group everyone else is 3 and 2 stars yet we get put up against lobbies of full 5 stars and sometimes even 6 stars

But yeah it has gotten worse by a lot, we came back from a break due to this problem and have come back to it not fixed.

[hushed sage]

Lol, this was just my last match, we had worse through the night but its just been consistently bad. Their adjustment to matchmaking did not improve this at all. Hope they address it.

[tropic plinth]

Dunno about you but I'm only just a 4 star, I drop every like 10th and game still get these lobbies. (drop as in drop down to 3 stars)

[hushed sage]

I'm a solid 4 but I creep into 5 every so often. It doesn't last long tho.

Not sure how they messed up matchmaking to the point that 3 stars have to face a 5 star ever. That's bad.

[signal mural]

Yeah honestly I feel like there's a hard line drawn between 3* & 4* now days. There's two distributions 2-3* with the occasional 4* solo and then 4*+ (ie: 4-6*). My best Hunt duo friend and I are always joking when one of us goes back up to 4*... "You're ruining our fun!", "Good job dying... let's hope it was to a 2* so you derank.", "You need to play some solo before we meet next..." -etc. etc

1* is IMO only brand new players with the "DeathCheat" status still (Unranked MMR) and people who are intentionally stat-tanking to be jerks to newer players.

[late quartz]

At least in EUS servers the brackets have always worked this way from my experience

the skill difference between 4 and 5 star players tends to be pretty noticeable but tend to still be playing the same game.
3 or below starts to be... pretty much unrecognizable

Brackets work differently based on what region you play in so it may just work totally differently elsewhere

[signal mural]

In the EU & RU servers it felt different before generally with a bracket +/-1* to your Rank. Now when I hit into 4* it's only 4,5,&6.

Yeah, I like that the playstyles change a little bit based on regions and rank.

[late quartz]

Playstyles definitely change, but what i meant is the actual matchmaking brackets are different

I'm sure somebody could correct me on the specifics here but the whole star rating thing is just player facing.

The actual matchmaking uses MMR brackets on a per-region basis (more populated regions have more brackets and thus more granular/higher quality matchmaking)

IIRC it's something like up to 6 brackets per region depending on population?

And the place those lines are drawn will vary too

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/matchmaking-improvements-are-coming-to-hunt

[turbid hound]

what is the error?

[valid linden]

He has slugs but it displays poison shells

[turbid hound]

if you look closely, slug shell looks like ones lying on the ground

and there is no such thing as poison shells

(i believe)

(i hope)

[valid linden]

Ah, sorry i confused them with nagant ammunition, he meant that un-shot shells display the same model as shot shells

[turbid hound]

if you look closely, you'll see that shells lying on the ground miss the slug, and have their rim a bit torn

[valid linden]

I addressed this here...

[turbid hound]

if you look closely, unshot shell present the slug that peaks over the shell rim a bit

[queen jungle]

There should be slugs, not shell casings.

It's just a detail error.

[turbid hound]

if you mean that unspent casing is dropped as spent, then yes, i agree

[signal mural]

I assume you mean in-game server populations here.

Stars* are synonymous with MMR, before you could see it and your general ELO number that the star represented. The greater discrepancy in a duo/trio's individual star rating the more skewed an MMR rating would become for the team. These team MMRs used to be displayed before you even began searching... even using 0.5 denominations. Why they stopped displaying this is beyond my understanding because the system feels unchanged and the article you linked would support that more than ever. I think if you hover over your stars it might still tell you your numeric range.

I guess the feeling of skewed match making is probably typical in a game running over 5yrs. but the inclusion of Solo Necromancer in the latest updates also makes it growingly unclear how things fully get valued for calculating your combat rating.

[gritty sky]

As i m limited, i cannot go to asia server

[gritty sky]

You moderators are really incompetent when it comes to handling feedback and understanding posts...

I asked something nicely, without hurting anyone

And you attack my free speech and cry wolf

That is against the law here in EU

Heres democracy not dictatorship...

If you dont agree with me then talk about it like real adults 😄

[ripe basalt]

If you need to communicate with the mod team, then utilize the Modmail tool. If there is discord feedback or game feedback you would like to share, then you would share it in the #feedback channel. The reasons for removal would be found in the #discord-rules and channel specific rules found here: #feedback message

[humble elk]

What in the feck

[valid linden]

I don't see any msgs from mods here, what did they do ?

What did you write ?

[dim heron]

Probably best to not repeat it if it got removed I would think

[valid linden]

Probably but seeing messages like 'He can't keep gettin' away with this !' is weird

[dim heron]

of course, but if it was a post that got removed there's definitely a reason for it.

[tiny pivot]

lol

[little jackal]

there is no law on the frontier, cowboy

[outer wedge]

I feel like the scopes were the worst ideia for hunt, and now, they have to counter it with shitty low visibility weathers, ffs...

[late quartz]

Part of the issue here is that stars aren't synonymous with MMR, they're a somewhat arbitrary, inaccurate visual representation of MMR.
When a match is being made it's not using your star rating, it's using your actual MMR, which leads to issues because people expect to be matched with people who have the same star rating.

In reality, the arbitrarily chosen breakpoints where the star borders are cut out doesn't actually reflect the MMR matchmaking brackets that vary per region.

The star system obfuscates the actual system being used to find matches, and leads to a perception of unfairness when people see big gaps in star ratings

Hiding your team's star rating in the lobby was likely done to hide this perception of unfairness, and reduce people leaving randomly made teams until they can reroll the largest possible handicap

All this is just to say that the system players are shown for matchmaking and the actual process used to put players together are fairly different, which makes it feel much more unfair than it actually is.

This is a pretty common pitfall for games these days, as visual ranks (or in this case stars) are always gonna be somewhat arbitrary and only kind of correlated with the way MMR is used in ELO style systems

[hot vigil]

Minor (pedantic) correction, stars aren't arbitrary, but they are vague for sure :)

[late quartz]

They're absolutely arbitrary

There's no reason why 2750 MMR ought to be a breakpoint over 2562 MMR

It's like the definition of a schelling point

MMR is an extremely granular metric, comparing relative player skill. Grouping MMR ranges into brackets is always going to be done in a somewhat arbitrary manner (even if done for a good reason)

[wanton imp]

you hit his teammate i think

[jaunty dune]

?? 🙂 no... You can hear her die

[wanton imp]

yeah im pretty sure you hit his teammate

[jaunty dune]

And second death sound?

She was revived

So i know she died

[wanton imp]

you mean the gar?

[jaunty dune]

Can you hear the voice?

She said "we traded" in voice

thats the enemy voice lmao

yup

[wanton imp]

yeah i hear the voice but whats the point you're trying to make here

[jaunty dune]

Are you high bro?
I tag gar with shotgun and stab her, you can hear her hunter die and she says we traded in voice,
but it didnt register

[wanton imp]

gar didn't die bro

[jaunty dune]

thats what im saying

nvm

im high

😂

[wanton imp]

xD

yeah you traded with his teammate

[hot vigil]

You didn't stab Gar

You dealt 72 damage to Gar and 92 damage to The Prescient

[teal parcel]

Sorry but you say you try it with 150 ms for that but yeah every time i got only Ru player on Eu server no hate vs the People but sorry high ping every time
the high 45ms ping literally unplayable

[subtle lichen]

150ms is literally the blink of an eye. Not even joking.

[unreal adder]

Crazy how Nekit comes in here daily and drops the worst suggestions ever

[hot vigil]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day I guess :p

[unreal adder]

I have yet to see him drop a suggestion with more thumbs up than thumbs down

[signal mural]

BEHOLD!

[signal mural]

I definitely know that feeling though. I'm not gonna name tags but there were at least 3 members where I've had that feeling.

[unreal adder]

truly a miracle

[subtle lichen]

I mean, they make a difference to "OMG FIX MMR" and "OMG NERF HEADSMAN" posts.

[unreal adder]

gun jamming though?

[subtle lichen]

Yeah, no. Not a great idea. Farcry 2 had it, but in that game it kinda fit in with all of the other somewhat annoying mechanics.

Check out this guy with his three friends though. What a chad.

[spice topaz]

Don't worry, the brighteyed energy will dissolve as they have played enough and lost all hope like the rest of us

[unreal adder]

I would like a larger team size

But i dont like his suggestion with the weird spectator thing

[subtle lichen]

I'm still sub 100 hours and I'm loving this game. It helps that it forced me to kick my WoW sub into the long grass so when I do get a couple of hours to play something, I don't feel compelled to play that instead.

For the cost of a month's sub, I can get two legendary skin packs! And die almost immediately while using them! It's great.

[unreal adder]

im at 48 legendary hunters collected so far

im sad that i missed out on some event ones

[subtle lichen]

Think I have maybe half a dozen. Love the ones I have though.,

Apart from a couple of them, the hunter designs are really cool. Love the aesthetics of a lot of them.

[unreal adder]

when i first got into the game i didnt understand the UI a lot so i didnt know how to unlock the event stuff since i never got to the challenges menu lol

[craggy jackal]

Yeah the ui do kinda suck

Menus on menus

[subtle lichen]

Oh, I don't bother too much with the event stuff. I starting playing during the Rotjaw one and none of the event skins have really done it for me so far.

[unreal adder]

when i downloaded the game for the first time it was the as the crow flies event but i didnt know what was going on but i did unlock a few of the skins at least

[subtle lichen]

The trait menu is a proper hate crime.

[craggy jackal]

I just sort by cost and it makes everything make sense

[unreal adder]

i rarely played this game but then in the last year ill have spells where i get sucked in

[subtle lichen]

Yeah, I do the same, but I still managed to skip past ones I'm looking for because I haven't fully got used to the icons yet.

[unreal adder]

i had like 230 hours in 2 weeks recently

[subtle lichen]

I'm that muppet who stands reading what trait I just got after dynamiting a meathead.

[craggy jackal]

For when I am looking for certain important traits I type 1st three letters in search bar, I am pretty notoriously bad at looking for things in menus too

[subtle lichen]

That's a good call actually. Have to try that instead of holding up my team while I try and find a trait.

[unreal adder]

How would you guys go about making a larger team size?

[craggy jackal]

But sorting by cost is good when I have 8 points and bought my essentials I can always get 2 4 cost or 2 3 and a 2 cost

[craggy jackal]

I think a larger team size would not work, without a larger map and a new ai, the boss would actually be fucked

4 guys with baseball bats roll up

[subtle lichen]

The only team size I could see potentially working would be 6v6, but that brings a whole host of problems. Part of the fun of the game is not 100% knowing when someone is nearby, or making use of animal alerts to pinpoint that someone is coming your way.

[craggy jackal]

Everything currently is balanced around a duo, which kind of works for trios, because it adds scarcity

[subtle lichen]

Soul Survivor is good fun, I just lack the skill to ever win it.

[unreal adder]

Would you guys suggest something like a new mode for the larger teams?

[craggy jackal]

Would be fun to see this in a compound fight / team death match mode

[unreal adder]

Soul survivor really does hone your pvp a lot

I've got my fair share of wins under my belt in that mode

[craggy jackal]

I think the only thing about SS pvp is it encourages some odd movement that doesn’t work in BH

Like I frequently can rotate on top of people is SS, but that doesn’t work because in BH he has 2 teammates watching 4 other angles

[subtle lichen]

There's literally nothing at stake in SS, so you don't have to be quite as cautious

[craggy jackal]

Yeah

I like playing very loud in SS

[unreal adder]

That's why it's so good for trying things out

[craggy jackal]

Loud and fast

[unreal adder]

Playing fast works in BH as long as your aim is true lol

[subtle lichen]

It's great fun having totally random loadouts as well

Couple of days ago, I spawned in with dual sparks pistols

[unreal adder]

I've definetly lost the fear of "they know where i am" after a while

[subtle lichen]

Died to the first person I ran into, but I got a laugh out of it.

[unreal adder]

Sparks pistols are actually so viable if you carry 2 of them but not as a pair

[craggy jackal]

I typically get Wellspring around 300-315 my fastest ever was a 330 I believe

[unreal adder]

That's how i got my mastery with them when i tried getting all of the masteries

[subtle lichen]

I think the concern around bigger teams is that it would remove a lot of what the game is about. Even trios to an extent does that, but not severely enough that I'm gonna stop playing it.

[unreal adder]

I think there is a way to have a mode for larger teams

[subtle lichen]

And just imagine the buff they'd have to give solos to compensate for going up against quads.
"Ok, so your MMR will be at minimum a full 3 stars higher than anyone else in the game to give you a chance."

Cue seal clubbing comments

[unreal adder]

I think in a larger team mode it should absolutely be locked to full teams only

[subtle lichen]

I think splitting the playerbase like that is a bad idea.

[unreal adder]

I don't think the majority of solos are going into trios

[subtle lichen]

It'd also be interesting to see how many people would choose to go up against full premades every time. I think it'd die quickly.

[unreal adder]

It's not like soul survivor "split" the playerbase

and by full teams i mean that you either have a team for it or you go with randoms

[craggy jackal]

Game isn’t balanced for more than 2 really I think quads would just make fights crazy

I like idea of temporary 6v6 mode

[unreal adder]

I'm not sure this mode would be a BH mode

It's definetly more for the PvP aspect

[craggy jackal]

Than just embrace the pvp and make it a pvp focused Team death match like mode, but more with rounds like cs or something, and have an ai side objective to discourage players from playing too slow

Something like search and destroy in COD

[unreal adder]

Round based might be good

[craggy jackal]

Round based, make reviving important during match

[unreal adder]

Maybe something like using single locations the way that the shooting range has you locked to the fort

[craggy jackal]

Apex implemented a team death match mode pretty well

[unreal adder]

The Apex arena mode might be a good idea for what I'm thinking of here

[craggy jackal]

Yeah

[unreal adder]

2 teams fighting it out in a single Hunt location

[craggy jackal]

Could expand on number of players easily then

It would be fun to see a compound vote or something implemented

But certain compounds would be pretty annoying/never picked

They have most of the assets already, red wall from SS and trials and they have the maps it would just be the load out system that would suck to implement

[heavy ferry]

Title: Asia server connection is unstable and too high
Details: In computer computing, a ping refers to a signal sent back and forth between two computers via a network connection. The length of time it takes for a signal to travel between the two computers is called latency.

Please fix connection issues, especially player disconnection issues

[unreal adder]

Asia needs a proper SE Asia server for sure

[signal mural]

Honestly, just because some players from Asia and RU play in the EU doesn't mean they have bad ping & are ping abusers. I'm in the EU and prefer to play on RU servers - my ping stays under 40.

And just because someone's playertag or Steam Profile suggests their domestic region - it doesn't mean that's their actual location.

[tiny pivot]

this person complained about asia servers in translated english twice and left. what a chad

[jagged wagon]

I see complaints about the Asian server all the time, I guess it’s no wonder so many in that region hop to other regions if they really are that bad.

[jaunty dune]

It's funny they only have 1 server for "asia"... I dont play there but like where are servers located? Like imagine if servers are in turkey, and u got players indonesia or sth xD doesnt make any sense

[jagged wagon]

@arctic flame Chase them.

[subtle lichen]

Asia is fucking massive. That's some next level stupidity.

[tiny pivot]

#game-ideas message

bro is literally making shit up

[quartz swan]

Fucking imagine, a company trying to make money. Mind=Blown

But also, I think Crytek have some really good PR

[wanton imp]

wait until bro hears about EA

[subtle lichen]

There was somebody the other day whining that they don't give away blood bonds for free so that he can't get DLC without paying. And the complained that shock horror you have to pay for the battle pass. Get this, with money!

I don't know about you, but with how often they put DLC on sale, this game is an absolute bargain for the most part.

[wanton imp]

yeah atleast you can earn premium currency unlike most games.

and the DLCS dont cost that much. even without a discount

[subtle lichen]

Like I said, you can't expect a company to continue to support what is a live service game on hopes and dreams. They gotta keep the lights on somehow.

[carmine needle]

I find the comments about "Dropping DLC but not fixing servers* hilarious, as if the art department has any kind of control over servers

[quartz swan]

"Yo Jim-bob, people are complaining about the servers again, can you go and fix it for us?"
"What? My dude, I only do models, art and stuff."
"Yeah, but you work with games, thought. Fix it by the end of the day"

[carmine needle]

lol exactly

Gotta keep dropping them DLCs to keep paying for the folks who do work on the servers, or in this case, the new engine that is supposed to fix the server issues

[jaunty dune]

exactly

you have like US West/US East even tho US is way smaller compared to asia xd

Asia is about 4.5 times bigger than United States

[next yarrow]

Are the Russian servers based in the European part of Russia because a lot of Asia is Russian

[jaunty dune]

there is no European part of Russia lmao

[next yarrow]

Fair but I mean the area with Moscow

[jaunty dune]

No clue, i dont think crytek is transparent about server locations

All i know is taht eu servers are in germany

probably because crytek is german

[next yarrow]

Judging by ping US East servers are in Virginia, and US West servers are in California

[subtle lichen]

This is like when I worked in IT for a mobile operator. Everyone just assumes either 1. You can fix anything wrong with a phone, including crappy signal and 2. Get me a discount bro.

[spice topaz]

Russian servers are quite certainly located around Moscow and yes, Moscow and a big chunk of Russia is part of Europe. I would say that the EU and RU servers are too close to each other and more Eastern location could be beneficial. Then again most Russian players could be located around Moscow for all I know.

[blissful jackal]

He might have been complaining about the blood bond change, where they basically gutted the amount of blood bonds you get without paying money.

[quartz swan]

something i wish they did is give discounts for BB Bundles thingy

Like if i want 3K BBs i gotta pay R$73,99 which is crazy fucking expensive

[subtle lichen]

I mean, yeah that sucks from a player perspective, but there needs to be some incentive for people to stump up some pennies every once in a while.

[unborn dagger]

@arctic flame Or it's because serpent is to draw out campers? Lol

[quartz swan]

Think of the poor shotguns campers 😦

[blissful jackal]

Well the only thing that changed was the fact that you can't really earn your way to buy blood bond skins anymore

That's not really incentive that's just taking away your ability to not spend money

[green moat]

It would make more sense to make new DLC's cash-only for 3-6 months then releasing them into the blood bond market - that's my 0.02

Right now we're in this weird world where two separate payout concepts are counteracting each--other, with profit incentive really driving the reasoning far beyond what it feels like to be here.

Hunt wants money fast, so they make DLC's, but seasoned hunters have Blood Bonds, so they are less likely to buy the skin unless it genuinely hits a spot.

@velvet silo I think if they just added a lighting sound similar to health recovery it would be enough. A lightning bolt falls from the sky when someon self resurrects, that way even if you are a bit away, you can see that person resurrected, but they are safe from being trampled.

[blissful jackal]

But those of whom that aren't vets (large portion) likely don't have many bb's

And therefore their only option is to buy

[green moat]

Yea but it's never always that. You can make a hundred BB's a month easily, so after 3-6 months you can buy a nice item with BB's. The game gives away BB's all the time.

But those free BB's are also profit loss, so they can't be the sole way to get skins.

[blissful jackal]

What's the cap per week.

30?

[green moat]

There is no cap, it's play to earn, and Mr. Cheri gives them out.

[blissful jackal]

Earning them with the challenges is the sole and only consistent way to get them compared to the ones you used to get per game.

Which are capped at per week.

So figure you get 30 per week the cap might be 40 I'm not sure,

You can get around like 1570 BB if you completed all your challenges weekly in a YEAR

Now with Mr cherry (rng) + world spawn bb's (rare to find) give or take you get like maybe 2k or maybe higher

Compared to just earning them for playing, the ratio has been essentially nuked.

I get why they did it,

But it's just annoying I happened to come back to the game right as they made the change and saw I wasn't getting jack shit for my games I was playing unless I was to "get kills with hunting bow"

[green moat]

Yea I'm not doing chores

[blissful jackal]

But the challenge system is a whole nother problem

[green moat]

Those challenges are uncreative and a tax on the actual game

[blissful jackal]

Just sucks that's what they linked the blood bond system too and it also gives way less.

[blissful jackal]

Which hinders getting blood bonds even more, at least for me.

Half the challenges are just plain annoying or boring and I simply don't want to do them.

[green moat]

They're probably going to phase out blood bonds eventually, every game that tries to do a hybrid approach to money ends up doing that. I think a battlepass with monthly or weekly payouts works best, where you can leave the game for a bit and come back to something new. Right now it's like a job.

[blissful jackal]

Id believe it. If they Become desperate for money they would probs remove it.

With how frequently they come out with "events" (same thing over and over) they are basically setting themselves to be like seasons at this point

Player counts drop by like 20k after events then spike back up when a new one comes out

[green moat]

People like restoring bars

It makes the punishing part of the game less severe, like Death Cheat for example - it is a waste of time for the user to keep reconfiguring every hunter from scratch every time they lose, it's a total bummer and honestly I'm kinda tired of doing it. You can configure weapon sets but hunters are still 🎲

Let me pay 1000$ for a hunter that's saved - skin, traits. Or let me buy "insurance" to keep the hunter if I lose - I don't care about the weapons.

[radiant river]

Yeah by doing miserable challenges

If you want to play the game normally you get like 10 a week

Like id be fine if the rate of blood bonds was nerfed to what it is now, but they also made it so you need to do challenges to get blood bonds

[green moat]

Why not just do challenges and get a skin at the end?

Complete X amount of challenges for a skin of your choice, including DLC. People would go mad with effort.

[radiant river]

Honestly that'd make me do them even if it took the same amount of time

[green moat]

Yea there are just complicated mechanisms in the way of DO vs REWARD.

Too much gambling mechanics.

[unborn dagger]

That's the reason why the majority of people dont like it. It removes the the punishing part of the game and encounter level 50 players more often. Although events seem to cater to the more casual players

[subtle lichen]

I don't like that some hunters are BB only. Like, I'd prefer if they were available from the cash shop tbh.

Carcass Gunrunner is BB only right? That's the main reason I haven't got him yet.

[green moat]

You can buy BB's @subtle lichen

[late quartz]

Generally the price of buying BBs for a skin in the legendary shop will cost considerably more than a DLC, which typically has multiple items in it

Plus you can't really buy an exact amount of BBs, the whole point of selling premium currencies is to obscure price and force people to buy more than they need

[unborn dagger]

Exactly the strategy Bungie uses. Make the BP cost 1200 and make them buy a $15 micro

[subtle lichen]

It's not even just Bungie, pretty much everyone who sells a premium currency does this. Have a skin for 500, but you can only buy 800 or whatever.

And then the more you buy, the more you get "free"

[unborn dagger]

Yup exactly

They know they can get away with it because of how easy it is to manipulate players

[subtle lichen]

For the less financially inclined (read: children), it obfuscates the true cost of an item too. I'm not suggesting kids are playing Hunt in big numbers, but the rationale is the same.

[unborn dagger]

Id be surprised if there actually was a big amount of kids playing this game lol

[spiral sluice]

so my last match my 4 star team got him self killed 4 times and was killed once on res (so my fault i suppose). i went ahead and got 5 more kills to get the bounty token and res him. he decided to claim im the one who killed him cause i wasnt backing him up. (im 5 star) despite me being there shooting them and landing my shots. so he decides to nade me on exit spawn, steal my 1200$ guns and messaged me " thanks for the loot".

Does reporting even do anything in this game, or should i just advoid 4 stars

[dense sapphire]

@arctic flame Serpent Rework
80% of why serpent exists is to yoink bounties. Your suggestion would effectively remove it from the game. Just pick up the tokens dude.

[tiny pivot]

i'm late but bb conversation is kind of a double edged sword.

on one hand you get more consistent blood bonds now but on the other you couldve gotten marginally more blood bonds but in smaller amounts in the other system

to be honest i actively prefer the older system

it rewarded players who played a LOT and i think the game needs more of that and less of just forcing people to play like 2 or 3 hours a week for a couple challenges

but then again; this is from the perspective of the consumer, i am well aware that play like 2 or 3 hours a week for a couple challenges is probably the best for the sakes of crytek's numbers

cuz its a finite amount that adds to player retention (weekly challenge system) vs the rich (people with too much time) get richer (get a ton of blood bonds just by playing an ass ton)

tbh my take is that now that its said and done, i dont expect them to go back to the old method of getting BB, but what i will suggest, is i wish mastery and pouches/registers gave slightly more, mastery especially should be a lot more

like, the later masteries, should not be like. 5. or whatever they are. give people reasons to use these weapons and change their loadouts other than filling the book. like at LEAST make it 5 EACH MINIMUM if not 10 flat per mastery unlock

it would give people something to do in the background, keep them playing and is still technically finite because there are only ever so many masteries in the game

it would easily probably be hundreds if not thousands of bb, depending on if they go for 1/2/3/5/10 bb per mastery, but it would be a reason for people with thousands of hours to keep playing and change their loadouts

[frozen crater]

@undone shadow I can see why you put that in feedback and not in suggestions 💀

[frigid folio]

You cant take your team mates guns.............

[spiral sluice]

oh, he acted like it,

i didnt know that, so makes even less sense then

regardless

does reporting do anything

[frigid folio]

Not really no, not unless you report on the crytek website with video evidence

At least in my experience I havent noticed reporting doing anything

[velvet silo]

That would be fine too but its not fair when you trade with a solo and your teammate dont have the time to revieve you without killing them once more or even if you kill them without trading , you may not have the time to recover before they self-revieve with full health (resilince) in some situations that you could be fighting multiple enemies.

[glass shuttle]

why am i gettin instant queue pop into empty servers?

[subtle lichen]

#feedback message While I can see the argument for it, I would presume that you'd have even more seal clubbing than you do now. Imagine a full stack 6* in a 3-4* lobby. It'd be like the police station scene from the Terminator.

[jagged wagon]

You already see 6 star premades going up against 3-4 stars. Already happening.

[turbid hound]

If we believe in what devs say, then there already was a MMR system before, and when it was "implemented", it just became visible

and i think that it should not be

that way we will be having somewhat balanced (or "balanced") matchmaking with no one to complain about being steamrolled by six-stars

because no one will know if the lobby-wipers was six-stars or just average players got a kiss by lady fortuna

[jagged wagon]

People will always complain, they will just shift the metric they complain about, if they can’t see the mmr range, they will complain about the KDA, or the number of kills vs their own, or sheer amount of play time vs their own.

[humble quest]

I don't think a no MMR matchmaking works well for hunt because there is a distinct objective and everyone is encouraged to engage in one place. Tarkov uses that system and it's more okay because the map is open to interpretation on what your personal objectives are

I do feel like your MMR and kda should not be displayed, at minimum not so clearly as they foster undesired play styles but not using sbmm is just not the direction I think hunt needs

[rugged iron]

let the kd farmers farm kd if they want

just a matter of time till they play with someone else and brag about their 5kd and are shit 😄

[karmic ivy]

Yes it does. Please report them.

[subtle lichen]

Perhaps KDA should be weighted into the matchmaking somehow. Long play time + 3 KDA + 6 stars = Nothing but super sweat lobbies for you my man.

[turbid hound]

KDA is toxic and serves only one purpose of upping self ego

even making it for personal use only won't stop playstyles as "one kill, extract"

removing it won't remove those from the game completely, but will reduce their numbers significantly

i guess

[turbid hound]

yes they will, but hiding(not removing) MMR will probably make people complain less

and removing KDA will lessen complaining even more i think

[valid linden]

@blissful vapor Nice idea for the gun BUT... Devs can make it semi-auto (remember Vetterli semi-auto)... They can just slap a gas tube on it and call it a day

[blissful vapor]

shit

i didnt think of that

wait actually no i dont think they could not without it being historical bullshit you can't just slap a gas piston on a straight pull and call it a day

straight pull actions have completely different locking systems that would easily get torn up by something like that

plus the veterly action doesnt travel backwards near as far as the mannlicher you'd be getting your eyes gouged by the bolt every time you try to ADS with it

[valid linden]

Maybe but just to be safe add this fact into your suggestion

So that people don't hate it that much

(They can have similar reasoning)

[valid linden]

Btw about historical bullshit... Hello Avto Mosin

[blissful vapor]

damn

they could put the Huot's anti eye gouger shield thingy

and give the rifle some kind of wierd offset irons

honestly if the devs are gonna do another semi auto rifle i'd rather it be the original Cei-Rigotti that still has reference data inside the game files as far back as 2018

[valid linden]

Well... Everybody hates avto

[wanton imp]

most people did in its hayday

[blissful vapor]

https://youtu.be/g317yW6Sdvo?t=927&si=4g0oPlyVeYvAPaKA

[valid linden]

And ppl spam bullets now to hit you so what's the big deal with full auto?

[valid linden]

Ah... browning machine gun

[blissful vapor]

nah

[wanton imp]

the big deal with the avto was it was basically a shotgun with long ammo damage. that and it having a stupid amount of ammo if you go dual wielded sparks

[blissful vapor]

that's the rifle im talking about that was in the files as far back in 2018

[wanton imp]

AND the ammo replenishment was also high.

[valid linden]

Ah sorry, didn't see it was time stamped

[blissful vapor]

i feel like they could do a balance cei-rigotti by making it special ammo, and halving the magazine to 5 rounds instead of its irl 10

5/10 reserve?

and with you only getting 2 bullets per special box unless you bring your own ammo box

also with a muzz vel. of 730 m/s it would have to be special ammo

[valid linden]

y'know this is funny 🙂 i like to play in the style of hotline miami gameplay... I go in with trash guns and go out with some great gun

[blissful vapor]

i solo wiped a lobby last night 5 people and i would have gotten both assassin and rotty

[valid linden]

So getting this cei-rigotti gun and ditching it isn't a big deal

[blissful vapor]

but another team rolled up and chased me off :<

[valid linden]

you should'a spam them 'nades m8

[humble quest]

wiped a lobby
Another team
???

[blissful vapor]

okay i thought i cleaned house

let me correct myself

I THOUGHT

@mental yew YO I have that book!

its at my dad's but he's keeping it for me

[humble quest]

Why do we want a worse Springfield ...

[valid linden]

We lack ideas regarding new old firearms ?

[humble quest]

Content for contents sake isn't a good thing

Just adding more garbage to scroll through on the weapon list isn't a plus

[wanton imp]

yeah

thats facts

we need unique content not new content

new weapon variants aren't the best way to add in new stuff. what i'd like to see is maybe new AI

[valid linden]

Well... I know but i tried to add unique content suggestion like #game-ideas message and #game-ideas message

[blissful vapor]

i've been trying forever now to get either a Mannlicher Straight Pull, or a Winchester Winfield Lee Navy

those would be unique weapons

[humble quest]

Unique isn't explicitly better either.

Guns with compression that have variable damage and velocity just sound like pain

[valid linden]

Maybe... but really, who wouldn't want to see a Welrod and Bolt-Action Shotgun mix ?

spoiler : They both are bolt-action

[blissful vapor]

i'd be all for the welrod if the baffles decayed over the course of the match with every shot

eventually being full power loud after like 10 -15 shots

[humble quest]

Decaying weapons and jam mechanics also just sound very not game fun

[blissful vapor]

the weapon doesnt decay, just the silencer part

have you heard a welrod in videos

[valid linden]

That actually would be a balanced thing + it would be cheaper and quiet-er...

[blissful vapor]

they are whisper quiet

for like the first 5 shots

then you can hear them a little

[humble quest]

People already cry about rain making them unable to hear. I don't think super quiet high damage guns are going to be popular votes.

But just on a basic level, a gun that's unreliable taking the same shot twice is something I'm never going to touch

[valid linden]

This would actually apply to any silenced gun... These silencers get filled with gas and it doesn't trap gases anymore (at least not that much)

[humble quest]

I'll admit, I'm not a gun nut. All the enthusiasm about "oh this gun I love could be added" is lost on me

Every thing I know about guns I learned from tarkov

[valid linden]

My guess is : They can't win unfair gunfight so they blame weapons/environment

The very idea of having different gun tiers means that every gun fight is unfair

[blissful vapor]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxyXeHaq0Sq_R_LGUNsiqY6yH7e6Ex-7Kv?si=7IOWBaNujHuZRVSQ

[humble quest]

It's just that people want to play in their own way. I don't agree with it either, but what you have proposed is both going to go against the majority based on silenced long ammo damage range, and against a whole other audience because it's simply an unreliable gun as it changes velocity

[blissful vapor]

finally common ground

i get so tired of people judging me based on what i take into a match

shut the fuck up and let me cook

[humble quest]

Theres plenty of talk about how am I suppose to deal with x, and I've also taken the stance that you're simply not suppose to be able to take every fight on even ground

[blissful vapor]

yeah

theres always going to be someone better equipped than you

[valid linden]

Some Asian that does everything better than you xD

[blissful vapor]

also fuck teams with unrealistic expectations that if they go down you are expected to be able to carry the entire match solo and get them back up

ive had that more than a few times

[humble quest]

The game is competitive in the sense we compete against each other, not in a esports everything is balanced and skill is the main component

[blissful vapor]

oh god if this game ever got into the e-sports scene

game over man

would be dead right then and there

[valid linden]

True... BUT it is supposed to be an rng so... why not let players cook with the stuff they are given ?

[blissful vapor]

also have you guys seen the flashbomb users tears memes yet

they're glorious

[humble quest]

I'm not arguing with that. But I still hold that many many additions proposed for guns are not worth looking at because they don't fill a need in the game, and are either entirely against the core design or just not unique enough to be worth

Do they keep adding somewhat higher fire rate guns? Yes there have been some. Do we need to lean into it because it's been started? No

[valid linden]

Maybe but i think 'GUNS IN HUNT MUST BE UNIQUE' is kind of an overrated opinion since there are not many unique guns to add + the only suitable unique gun in the future is some bush-craft tomforgery

[humble quest]

And again, if they run out of guns to add that's fine. There is plenty of design space to explore that is not inserting needlessly more guns

[valid linden]

They can add piss-jar launcher and call it a Harate (Hunt Jarate) 🙂

Or this 🥲

[blissful vapor]

cease and fucking desist

[valid linden]

Angy cod zombies sound

[ocean holly]

3X Rain games in a row all single bounty duos. No thanks Hunt

[valid linden]

@wanton imp Bro... did you just read my comment and thought it was a good idea ? #feedback-discussion message

[wanton imp]

nah totally didn't bro

trust

but to be frank i just wanna see if the community will like it or not

[subtle lichen]

Finding a niche for guns is fine, because if we add yet more obtuse rifles with kinda semi auto or whatever, most of them will end up off-meta somehow and that's work that could've gone into something useful.

Kinda like the railroad hammer for example. Why even bother with it when there's so many more effective options.

[blissful vapor]

NOT THE BEES!!!!

[jagged wagon]

Sadly lots of people really care about their KDA and would likely stop playing if they couldn’t flex about it, so it’s doubtful crytek would remove it, they know people fixate on it, more than wins or losses. Ask players if they would rather go in a match, kill a load of people but ultimately die, or go into a match, get the kill, banish and extract with no fight at all and most will choose the former.

[subtle lichen]

Different strokes and all that. Depends what you're after from the game. If you manage the latter by being sneaky about it then I can see getting some satisfaction from that.

[jagged wagon]

Oh sure, we all enjoy a free bounty from time to time, but a few of those in a row would soon get boring. The PvP is what keeps people coming back and lots of players would soon lose interest if they could show how many people they have sent back to the lobby.

[reef violet]

I very much agree with this take. Leave@the guns alone for now I think we are in a good spot. Focus on other avenues for more content. Like game mode or bosses

[arctic flame]

Dude I’m a solo player I take the bounty just think it’s boring people grab the bounty and just go away anyway it’s happens not that much soo

[humble quest]

Some people play objective, some people play for pvp. Getting rid of the main draw from the perk because you don't enjoy people running is a pretty weak argument

[blissful jackal]

Crytek removed leaderboard and people still play

[jagged wagon]

True, but then most people were not high enough on the leader board to really care, and before they took it down it was just dominated by cheaters anyway, which is likely a large part of the reason they got rid of it.

[blissful jackal]

Well it also promoted kd farming, which Ive seen a large decrease since it was removed

[radiant river]

Just show kd of only yourself

So you can't really show it off to others easily

[jagged wagon]

Serpent was brought in to help counter stalemates, attacking team all running rifles and don’t want push in, waiting for someone to peak, defending team all rocking shotguns, lair trapped up, boss team not picking up so they are not marked… ect ect.. leads to a pretty boring time.

[jagged wagon]

That would work for me, I simply like to keep tabs on how I am doing, I would like a monthly or quarterly KDA reset (keep the life time one as well) so you can gage month by month how you are improving. I have nothing to brag about, mine is a fairly average 1.23 and due to how long I have played now it takes hundreds or kills or deaths to move at all. Might not work for everyone though, people do love to brag and they might move on if they lose that ability. Good riddance from my perspective, but of course crytek don’t want them to leave.

[arctic flame]

Yeah I agree but still 😦 make me sad people just don’t want to play the game

[jagged wagon]

Its high stakes so I understand some people playing carefully, but sure, some just take it to an extreme

[radiant river]

There's external things that track kda also and I doubt many people would quit if kda wasn't public

Leaderboards were removed and had mostly positive results even if some people complained

Might also make people complain less about someones KD when they die

[blissful jackal]

i mean it tells you your kills and deaths you can track it yourself for the month if you really want

[kindred compass]

stop fucking RAIN mod omg !!! 10 game, 10x !!

12 party 12 rain random is not random !

[slim forum]

been prestiegeing and kinda hoping they could move officer from level 52 unlock to just tiering up the negant after silenced mode

[humble quest]

This is in fact how random can work. Getting it does not remove it from the pool.

[late quartz]

Being in different unlock trees means they can add custom ammo types to one but not the other. Unlikely to change for this reason

Balance between a single and double action pistol is gonna be different etc.

[reef violet]

#game-ideas message Gotta say it again. I do not understand this feeling. Is your problem more with the balancing of the perks? Do you feel they are too disruptive? Is it the quest design that feel tedious/restrictive? These are thing that I can understand and to an extent sympathize with. However, I think requesting the devs to stop giving us new content is kinda silly. This allows them to tweak gameplay loops with the perks without having to release new game modes or maps. It can also allow them to tweak the meta and create interesting trait combos.

[smoky edge]

The uppercut is in the same tree as the cadwell pistol and has different ammo types and ammo pools. The only difference between the nagant pistol and the officer is the ammo pool as both have the same special ammo types.

[unborn dagger]

Nobody is saying they dont want new content, just a break from the events. Like the suggestion said, people want to have fun with vanilla hunt and not worry about pact traits that Crytek is terrible at balancing. I also don't want to grind yet another fomo battlepass to 50 or a 100 to get a skin that I want, this is where the burn out starts to happen.

Like seriously, just put the weapons in the progression system, put in a new weather type without an event.

[reef violet]

I can understand the FOMO creating a burnout with how they have structured the battle pass and focused on the quests you have to be. Especially with many of them restricting your play style. Especially for players that are not able to dedicate many hours a day to playing.

[unborn dagger]

Exactly and thats why I thought that questlines were going to be something to get away from that fomo.

[unborn dagger]

@sick wind I can see your point and kind of agree but what idea are you trying to propose to change it?

[late quartz]

This is an exception to the rule is it not? I can't think of any other examples where weapons within a tree have different special ammo

[desert nest]

@blissful vapor I want to be a bit pedantic and say that the Crown and King (Or Clown and king as I like to call it) isn't AS historcially bs as say, the vetterli cyclone or the Avtomat. The gun was designed in 1898, 3 years, or 2 since I think post the Chinese hunters DLC the game takes place in 1896, so it kind of has reason to exist. But yeah, the Cyclone is utter bullshit, especially given that the gun used black powder and that is in no way a good propellent for a gas operated gun. And the Avtomat is just dumb. They legit took two WW1 weapon conversions and slapped them onto two guns that it was not designed for.

I apologize for my pedantic-ness

[unreal adder]

Man i really wish most of the native american skins werent event exclusives

[reef violet]

This is tru

[desert nest]

I agree

Another thing I noticed about the cyclone when comparing it to the WW1 howell conversion: The sights aren't off center

which the orginal was, due to the whole ass gas piston system

[tiny pivot]

Its weird too, a lot of them are old ass events too

And tides of shadow had the one i think

And, no offense to any owners, non-owners, or natives in the chat, but like nobody fuckin uses them it kinda stinks cuz I love skin variety

[unreal adder]

a lot of people (me) who want to use them dont have them

[tiny pivot]

#game-ideas message

Make this a trait tbh

#game-ideas message

I would love honestly just any variants or additions to Pax, not even a small thing like free hunter availability or anything... I would love to use a Pax if it got the same treatment as the uppercut and the like
Or even just a standard precision variant would go a long way for medium slot enjoyers like myself

If Pax had HV it would lowkey be cracked, especially paired with a P/DeadeyeP variant

[wicked isle]

so instead of banning hackers cause i know crytek doesnt want to lose their playerbase and counts how about just region lock them to a hacker only region

[unborn smelt]

Crossbow.

Handcrossbow and big one have diffrent ammo types.

But that happens only when you have 2 guns with differing base ammo types in the same unlock tree IIRC

Like the uppercut has long ammo, instead of compact and thus also diffrent special ammo choices,
Same for the Crossbow, small one uses compact bolts, big one uses large bolts, hence very diffrent special ammo types

@sick wind If melee weapons don't OHK they are straight garbage, because you forfeit an entire weapon slot to have absolutely no power past 2m, and then there's shotguns, shotguns in pistols. On top of rifles with bayonet or talon attachments, or a shotgun barrel.

And if you like neither of those, there's still fanning, and even dualies or the hand crossbow.

But maybe you don't want to commit a weapon slot then theres a tool slot shotgun, or you can wip out a knife which OHK's just fine with a bit of effort, maybe even throwing axes for that reach advantage. Or use some fire or a hivebomb to make sure the pusher is a OHK to a rifle by the time they are close to you.

But if people insist on ignoring all those possibilities to adapt their loadout, they will IMO just need to accept that their loadout sucks in CQC and thus don't take fights in CQC.
The options to beat melee are very very plentiful, and melee weapons are possibly the weakest category of weapons in Hunt precisely because of that.

[crystal plume]

I'm down for making tool melee not OHK players from full health

But dedicated melee weapons should stay OHK

They become more of a meme at higher mmr

[unborn smelt]

Absolutely

I wouldn't mind that rither

[hot vigil]

Also feel if the hit-box was a little more tighter for melee weapons it would fix some of their lethality.
Knife is very generous with its stab when it comes to hitting head/upperbody.
(And weirdly enough Bayonet/Saber is very finnicky to hit with).

[signal mural]

The knife is a downward stab & the bayonet/saber is a straight plunge. It makes sense that the hit boxes would be different. I think knife's strong attack being an OHK makes sense if you hit their head/neck... which is generally easy to do at it's range. IMO most melee is well balanced - if you're taking a knife you are foregoing knuckle dusters - the easiest & most stamina efficient way to kill most PvE. Melee's only PVP advantage is enemy positioning - as an OHK isn't a guarantee - and they have to hope the opposition doesn't have fanning, levering, a double-action, dualies, a shotgun, or decent counter melee skills (duck, hop, or counter-melee).

[subtle lichen]

Knuckle knife ftw then right?

[valid linden]

What'cha think about a comically large spoon ?

Or a pesky bird ?

[wanton imp]

wonder where you got the comically large spoon idea from

[valid linden]

therussianbadger +PD2

[unborn smelt]

@signal mural centennial is a Winfield 1876

[valid linden]

@upbeat slate Parachute would burn really

[subtle lichen]

Parachute flares are actually a thing though

[valid linden]

Maybe but i don't know if they were invented before 1895

[subtle lichen]

It's a game where jabbing yourself with a red liquid magically makes you healthy again. For something like flares, I think a bit of leniency could be granted.

I think the old night maps sound kinda awesome with you having to take light tools at least.

[wanton imp]

also a game where you can get back up from a nitro round to the face.

[balmy sparrow]

well ye, but you also can do something about it

you too have a melee, even if it's a tool

[dusky tapir]

melee is far more counterable than a sniper

[next yarrow]

Every weapon in the game can do it, technically

[valid linden]

@blissful vapor What'cha think about marksman mod ?

[blissful vapor]

i'd be down to see Hunt pull off Galilean Sights but not as a marksman variant, it would have to be a side grade deadeye

[valid linden]

You're correct, m8

[blissful vapor]

Cyclone Appeture LMFAO

[valid linden]

0_0, looks so wrong

[blissful vapor]

that's a cei rigotti

[valid linden]

ah...

Sorry, English isn't native to me

• Cyclone got me confuzed

[blissful vapor]

Cei Rigotti is the closest thing to the cyclone in appearance i could think of

you wanna see something cool im working on? join me down in solos hangout

[valid linden]

w8, imma connect my headphones

[mighty marsh]

MMR system is not working currently . It is IMPOSSIBLE to move down in MMR. We keep losing match after match and we are still stuck in MMR 5-6 games. If i drop for some magical reason i get one kill and go up to mmr 5 again. please for the love of god fix your mmr system . We are moving on from this game.

[reef violet]

#feedback message @wanton valve hot take

[unborn smelt]

Well i am that cheeky sabre player...

Precisely because of that i know with how many downsides a full on weapon slot melee comes.

And for every of those eyerolling moments you get killed by melee - the guy trying to melee propably has two or three where they stare down a shotgun barrel, die in a hail of fanned pistol shots or end up trading with their dedicated melee weapon against a bayonet attachment or knife tool

Thats why i don't see the fewmoments they succeed as no issue

[hot vigil]

So a sight that was made in... 1915?

[blissful vapor]

i said i wouldnt mind it not that i wanted to see it

[rotund obsidian]

@upbeat slate #game-ideas message My understanding is that the flare gun already uses parachuted flares (although the parachutes just aren't visible). If that weren't the case, they would just... fall straight to the ground, no? They already descend pretty slowly, definitely not freefalling.

[upbeat slate]

True, flares in game do not freefall but still descend fast enough. Plus the flare just has maybe 10m light radius. This version would be more like real life flares. They would stay in air and have 75m radius. That's why regular flare would be perfect for indoors and sometimes good for outdoor, but Mk. II would be prefect only for outdoors.

[night quarry]

hi, is on the way audio fix? (more than 2 monts from event)

[teal parcel]

Another very creative low visibility map, I think I'll skip next event

[teal parcel]

How do I ping abuse on a European server?

[queen jungle]

Some people thing that anything above 30 is "ping abuse". It's ridiculous really...

[quartz swan]

I ways so dissapointed when I was first starting to play Hunt, and when I knew night maps where a thing i brought flare guns with me. I got lucky and got a night map and a flare gun so i was excited to use the damn thing, only for the first fight to happen, I shot the flare upwards and the thing descended like a rock, never touched the flare gun again

I honestly think it does not need a "Flare Gun MKII" just make the current Flare Gun work as described, starshells doing the same thing would be pretty neat too

[quartz swan]

Howell Automatic Rifle, a semi-auto conversion of the Lee-Enfield rifles

[blissful vapor]

yes

the cyclone got a howell conversion for its action

im well aware

the Veterli and the Rigotti have a somewhat similar profile though imo

actually no

the Berthier looks more like a Cei Rigotti

[dull forge]

I don't know

[outer wedge]

People complaining on Events quantity are some kind, i love Path of Exile and i don't play every league, i skip some, do the same in Hunt.. how can you get burned out of a game, just do something else.. LUL

[quartz swan]

Right?

[uncut mist]

Since the last update i feel like Dark Tribute ONLY gives Hunt Dollars. Im not even over-exaggerating when i say: 9/10 times its a low amount (1xx) of hunt dollars. and 1 time its something between 500 and 1k. havent had anything meaningful in quite some time.

[outer wedge]

what i love about Dark Tribute the most is the 500xp reward, i feel so rewarded!

[humble quest]

But...but... My skins that I may or may not want or use?!? If I see someone else with them in the future I'll be so sad..

[teal parcel]

This is a feedback channel, I provide my feedback here.

[amber haven]

Joke's on you, Dark Tribute only gives me 500XP

[crude karma]

ngl, i feel like in a weird sense, i predicted the stockless dolch deadeye with my suggestion

[quartz swan]

It's quite iconic

Now we can LARP as Han Solo in the Bayou

@opal cradle Also while we are at it, PLEASE remove the prompt for when a trio or duo leaves the party, I KNOW THEY LEFT I CAN SEE THAT. I know it's something small but it's annoying that i gotta spend like 1 or 2 second too click it away

[vital fractal]

Who in the fuck wanted a deadeye dolch and dolch claw

They are doing everything they can to not touch the pax

I feel like they have ideas for the variants, and if either no one thinks of it or EVERYONE thinks of it, it gets added

[quartz swan]

Deadeye Dolch looks pretty sick thought

[vital fractal]

But even then, so many people have wanted something for the pax that it has to be an in office meme over at crytek to not touch it

It really doesn’t

[quartz swan]

Opinion is subjective my dude, i think it looks sick

[vital fractal]

I’m talking from a gameplay perspective

Aesthetically, sure- everything they have added looks amazing

But from a game play perspective

Not at all

[quartz swan]

It's a special ammo, overpriced gun and stock-less with a scope. I don't think it will be that much of a problem.

I would like some new variants for the Pax thought, maybe that one variant IRL variant with a big barrel

[vital fractal]

I’m not saying it will be over powered

I’m saying it doesn’t add anything that would be worth it over per say what the community has been asking for

A single slot deadeye is better served on another pistol

The pax, and Sparks Pistol, both are much better contenders for a pocket sniper-

[next yarrow]

It is kind of sad that pax didn't get the first one slot deadye

[vital fractal]

Now I’m going to have to pay $800 hunt dollars for a pistol that’ll need to be spammed in cqc via the hip or do pitiful damage in the range I would use a deadeye…

[quartz swan]

Yeah

A Colt Buntline with Deadeye would've been sick

[vital fractal]

All while being special ammo

[next yarrow]

I mean it will do similar damage to the pax in that range

[quartz swan]

Colt Buntline

[little jackal]

long barrel huh, seems like a great scottfield variant 😄

[quartz swan]

I can see the Buntline being a 1 Slot pistol, maybe a little bit more sway but farther damage drop off and higher bullet velocity

[quartz swan]

Man i was so sad when they added more special ammo to the Scottfield

Like it needed it

And more sad that the Pax's inspection animation have no gun twirling or flare

[vital fractal]

See but that’s the thing, what is a single slot deadeye supposed to be

In the case of the pax it’s an acceptable priced, pocket head clicker for 0-60m maybe a little more given HV availability

What’s a dolch? Close range cqc spam, add a deadeye- and now you have to hipfire which is garbage, and you can’t use the deadeye unless you spam fire which good luck with that rate of fire and it’s also over $750 so… you could genuinely buy a mosin sniper with that money

The dolch is probably one of the worst options to single slot deadeye

And they chose it because “no one runs the dolch anymore”

[next yarrow]

I hope we get a pax deadeye too

[vital fractal]

Instead of actually fixing why no one runs it anymore

[next yarrow]

I really doubt that's the reason

Did they say that in a Livestream?

[quartz swan]

I actually hate the Dolch, like it's good for spamming. But not 750$ good

[vital fractal]

They stated that additions to variants can be affected by pick rate

[quartz swan]

And special ammo too

[vital fractal]

Or so I remember

If I’m wrong, I apologize

[next yarrow]

Surely that's why they added uppercut variants then

[quartz swan]

If i want to spam I would use the Nagant Officer with Dum-dum

[vital fractal]

100% it didn’t need it, but they 100% knew it would be popular

Balance be damned

[next yarrow]

Feel the same way about the dolch but they were worried about adding anything useful for it/couldn't think of anything interesting

We didn't get deadeye dolch P for a reason

[quartz swan]

I can see the Deadeye being on the Precision variant

[vital fractal]

So they made the mistake of “enh can we?” Instead of “Enh should we?”

[next yarrow]

Imo yeah

[vital fractal]

At least there is precedent for the deadeye precision

[next yarrow]

They'll still function as dolches but I can't imagine the dolch Deadeye is going to be very good

[quartz swan]

The Deadeye on the Slot 1 Dolch was for the crowd who wanted to role play as Han Solo lol. Like, i was one of those dudes, but i really wanted more stuff for lesser used weapons

[vital fractal]

But ffs a deadeye single slot dolch, what a waste of resources

[next yarrow]

It will be fun to click heads with and has a good hipfire still

[vital fractal]

Single dolch has bad hipfire

Deadeye worsens it

[next yarrow]

But normal dolch almost certainly better

[quartz swan]

Yes

[next yarrow]

Sorry I was thinking of dolch p hipfire then

[quartz swan]

Dolch Deadeye is going to bet that "Kinda" pocket sniper department

[vital fractal]

Dolch P is actually really good lmao, it’s strange how much of a difference there is between the two

Bro, it’s going to be super expensive too

Like, they gotta be reworking it too

[quartz swan]

800$ probably

Or even more

[vital fractal]

There’s no way they decide to leave it as it

[next yarrow]

Dolch P is absolutely busted but normal dolch isn't much worse imo

[vital fractal]

I still have some faith because I care about the game but crytek get your shit together man

[next yarrow]

Dolch has barely been nerfed since it was made special ammo

[vital fractal]

The ammo pooling + akimbo ammo nerf was huge

[quartz swan]

Honestly, i would've prefered if they nerfed it and made it small ammo

[next yarrow]

Sure it fires a bit slower and the reload is jank now

[next yarrow]

Madness

Dual dolch was never good

[vital fractal]

Doesn’t matter, that was still a huge nerf

Something can be bad, and nerfed heavily

[next yarrow]

Id didn't effect the normal dolch at all

It gets more ammo back from boxes now

That's a buff if anything

[vital fractal]

My brother in Allah, while true- this is still something to consider

[quartz swan]

Im imagining now, could you Dual Wield Dolch Deadeyes?

[next yarrow]

Hmmm probably

[quartz swan]

How would ADS work? lol

[vital fractal]

Again, they have to be reworking it

Like

I can’t believe crytek would be so, wrong, not to

Like I refuse

[next yarrow]

I'm guessing it would be a straight downgrade for no reason

[quartz swan]

Probably

[next yarrow]

But I don't see any reason to not enable it

[quartz swan]

I am praying that they will allow you to properly ADS with the "shooting" gun now thought

[next yarrow]

Really doubt they do that with duallies

Maybe with a perk or something, but that's one of the balancing factors

[quartz swan]

I would appreciate more love for Dualies users

They are a dying species

[quartz swan]

@wanton imp I really liked that idea

[somber harbor]

especially when fanning is so much better at spam lmao

why have rhythmic shooting when you can just have a pocket machine gun where all you gotta do is hold down the fire button?

[quartz swan]

Yep

Only weapon i had great success at for Dualies is that small ammo Colt Navy pistol (Forgot the in-game name) and Dual Officers for memes

I served wipe with dual officers more then once, feels pretty good

[somber harbor]

the most success I ever had with it was quad chains

pre-nerf

dudes thought they were done suffering 34 bullets flying towards them one after the other only to meet the other 34

[quartz swan]

I once used 1 Chain for each sloot and had fanning

It was pretty funny to dump all your ammo and enemies thinking it safe to push only to have another Chain ready

[somber harbor]

quad chains was actually some of the most fun I ever had with the game because it was so inconsistent but utter chaos

I once wiped two trios with it then got got by the last trio rocking up while I was reloading lmao

[quartz swan]

I love me Chains with FMJ

[somber harbor]

I was so helpless I just had to accept my death

[quartz swan]

Just light up whatever building they are in

[somber harbor]

sitting there in a bush begging for them to not notice me till I was done reloading at least one pair

[quartz swan]

Ah yes, when you spend all of your ammo now you need 3-4 business days to reload it

[somber harbor]

I desperately just want fanning changed to be like dualies where you gotta hit the button in a rhythm

same with levering

I don't see why one should form of spam should be different from the rest

[quartz swan]

Funny enought if you hold M1 with dualies you will only shoot the gun on the right

Idk why it's a feature, but it is

[somber harbor]

yeah lol, has to be a rhythm you shoot it in

but fanning and levering get a pass

[quartz swan]

It would be pretty cool that if you time your fanning in a rhythm instead of holding it down you get a bonus tu accuracy or something

[somber harbor]

make it so missing the rhythm makes the hand slip off the hammer or something, add some skill to it however small it may be

[quartz swan]

Ohh yeah, maybe the hand doesnt cock the hammer properly so the cylinder doesnt spin

I like it in theory, but in practice it could be annoying

[somber harbor]

it should be with how many use it as a crutch against shotguns

or any form of close range encounter

like if someone gets in close with a shotgun fanning should not be a simple get out of jail free card

[quartz swan]

Fanning and Levering is very dependent of RNG, hence why I don't really like it as much and some players agree with me, shotguns tend to be more consistent.

But that one random headshots tend to come more often then not lol and you need like, 2 or 3 shoots to down a guy?

[vital fractal]

Fanning is skill based to a degree though

You have to be relatively accurate, and actually time it otherwise it’s pure rng- with a majority of chance that you’ll miss

Same with levering

I am not someone who enjoys spamming weapons in this game, nor the addition of them, but to consider fanning a get out of jail free card is just patently false

It may be intimidating, but still requires truthful aim for the most part

[worn jackal]

@prime ibex that was rain map ye? #feedback message

[prime ibex]

Yea.

Guessing you were there? lol

[worn jackal]

a lot of people don't like rain and leave, normal thing

[crude karma]

what if you hold up the dual deadeyes like a pair of binoculars

[quartz swan]

That would be so perfect

[tulip tapir]

rain, rain, fog, rain, fog, fog, rain....nice when a developer forces you to play what they want and not what the players want.

[ripe basalt]

@jagged wagon Hhheeyyy I see names I recognize on that list

[queen jungle]

hey look its me knock knock.....

[worn jackal]

ye that's not for me as well :/

[queen jungle]

@bright trail Make sure to report any suspected cheaters you encounter to Crytek's #customer-support

[jagged wagon]

Opps, I thought I had hit the hidden button, my mistake, still no shade against any of those teams, just felt bad for team 2.

[ripe basalt]

Oh there's no need to block names if it's not towards the users names (name shame, hackusations ect) I just immediately recognized some names on that list

[rough flax]

Anybody else's hunt keep shutting down? It's not my internet because I'm still in ps chat seamless, but the game keeps crashing anybody else dealing with or have some info?

[quartz swan]

@keen bolt Game is set in 1892 :v

[keen bolt]

Dolch is made in 1896

[quartz swan]

Fair enought, touche

[keen bolt]

I mean to be fair

I don't know when exactly hunt is set in

[quartz swan]

Currently it's 1892

[keen bolt]

Just roughly 1890's

Crown and king tho that's also dubious

[quartz swan]

Dolch in-game is explained as a Prototype of the C96

[keen bolt]

Overall I just think it's cool piece of firearm that's under-represented (the savage rifles I mean)

[quartz swan]

I never heard of it personally

Only the Russian Model 1895

Damn, it fires armour piercing 300 Savage

[keen bolt]

Xd

[keen bolt]

Used to be underrated

But we're here with the 19th century gun enthusiast so most knew about it

I'm glad the Buntline was finally added tho

[keen bolt]

You know what else is funny?

Savage actually also have model 95

[quartz swan]

Oh

Built in Aperture sights

(This is the model 1895)

There is also a Model 1892

But the 99 seems to be the most famous

[vital fractal]

Game is set in 1895…

[keen bolt]

It's never put into production isn't it?

[quartz swan]

Not sure, looks like it was a prototype to the Model 95 and 95 was a prototype to the 99

[blissful vapor]

i have a potentially cursed idea

cyclone gas piston me.

welrods came in 9mm, and .45 caliber so it could easily be a mediumammo

[valid linden]

Yep

But the in-game world is actually fiction so why not add it regardless

I mean... Avto is bullcrap but it exists

[latent geyser]

Also Drilling happens in the next century iirc.

[valid linden]

btw there is another dimension in the game universe and i don't have any idea of how it works so why not use it as an explanation for advanced weaponry

[latent geyser]

It's just the Land of the Dead, where Rotjaw is from.

[valid linden]

Land of the Dead sounds good but why can't it carry some dead dude from ww1?

[latent geyser]

There isn't any deads from WW1 in atm lol.

[valid linden]

atm yes but later...

[latent geyser]

Probably not. Not sure if you want a chauchat in a game like that.

[subtle lichen]

Hook us up with the BAR while they're at it in that case. Full auto long ammo?

[hot vigil]

Drilling still existed back in 1895.
You are referring to the Luffwaffen Drilling which were made in WW2. But Drilling just mean "triplets" in german and is a classification of a combi-rifle.
It is like saying a "Gewehr" cannot exist until after 1943 where the Gewhr 43 were made.

[latent geyser]

Well, that type of drilling seems to be the Luffwaffen. I was "aware of previous drillings, but this specific one is more modern apparently.

I'd be interested to see your counterpoint tho 👀

[hot vigil]

Again, combi-rifles weren't really mass-produced, so you not gonna find a "model" before that. It was something you got custom made.

[subtle lichen]

Holland and Holland made "combination guns" in the late 19th century supposedly.

But given that they're a high end custom gun maker, mass production is unlikely.

[latent geyser]

shoot I thought you had a physical example :( that's fair tbh. I guess this can go as an explanation like the Dolch.

[hot vigil]

I am at the gym, but back when it came out I found an listed auction with one that had two rifle, one shotgun configuration.

[latent geyser]

Hope to see it once you're back at home :)

[hot vigil]

Found this pic on my phone.

[latent geyser]

Noice 👀

[hot vigil]

That config is called a Dopplebuchs dreiling

[subtle lichen]

See I read that that was called Bockdrilling

[warped trellis]

based on the bornheim (bergman) dolch (C96 mauser) it's at least 1896, and on the crown and king (auto 5) it's at least 1898

[hot vigil]

Nope, bc Crytek have said they have bend some numbers, setting the game in 1895 originally, but think lore is now at 1896, maybe 1897.

[warped trellis]

They can say any time they like but the reality they're pulling design from is in those years

[hot vigil]

Yes, but canonical in the story game initially took place in 1895.

[warped trellis]

As long as they don't start adding the advanced self loading rifles that showed up around WWI I don't think it'll break anything or matter much

[hot vigil]

They have a goddamn Huot Avto-rifle.

[warped trellis]

The avto is a money drain

[hot vigil]

At this point I don't care, just give me a 1888 mode.

[warped trellis]

It's just a full auto version of the turn of the century conversion attempts they were trying

[warped trellis]

Why 1888?

[hot vigil]

Nice sounding number, but also keeps most of the semi-auto and single-action guns out.

For a more traditional western shooter.

[warped trellis]

Single action guns are traditional....it also still includes lebel, krag, and if they added it original mauser rifles

[hot vigil]

Officer Nagant - 1895
New Army - 1892

[warped trellis]

Those are double action

[hot vigil]

Woops, lmao at the gym, brain doesn't think straight haha

Well, then, double action are out by the 1888 mark

Haha

[warped trellis]

I'm not sure they are but I don't know my old merry-go-blams well enough to make that argument

[hot vigil]

Well, they those two guns weren't around 1888.
Again, just want a slower hunt again.

More deliberate hunt is a better way to say it.

[warped trellis]

I don't think removing the avto and cyclone is going to change that as much as you think, especially with the levering and fanning traits that have always been there

[hot vigil]

They are an investment and comes with some inaccuracies.
Now you can just run new army/spitfire fairly cheap.
Not gonna say Hunt got it right out of the gate, but I think a lot of people miss that double action revolvers feel like they have a place.

[warped trellis]

Single action you mean. Idk I think you've just had some bad run ins with cyclones and avtos lol

[hot vigil]

Nope, just liked the revolver play of Hunt.
I got drawn to this game due to its old west guns, not the modern rifles and guns you see in every ww2 shooter.

[warped trellis]

are you sure your problem isnt primarily with the in-game economy?

[signal mural]

Honestly there are enough guns & weapons in the game. The uniqueness of each is beginning to get lost entirely, especially as ammo type availability per model becomes less strict.

I think tweaking and fixing existing assets should be priority. I feel like that's often my critique with many aspects of Hunt Showdown: dead vestiges. Useless tabs, unupdated tools & gear, unused gameplay incentives...

[warped trellis]

like - the people who play a lot getting essentially unlimited money and being able to just run mosins, dolch, or auto 5 every game without any incentive to use the older cheaper stuff?

[hot vigil]

Balance around money is not good balance, even if was 3 times harder to obtain money it doesn't feel good to killed by a strictly better gun just because someone paid premium for it.

[warped trellis]

I run around blasting people with the basic winfield and spectre...

[hot vigil]

Old Dolch exemplifies that issue, it was expensive and rare pick due to that. But you didn't go "oh gosh damn, sure did deserved to get spammed down bc he paid the extra"

[warped trellis]

would it be any better to you if they were weapons strictly available as contraband found in random hidden places, encouraging the exploration play style?

[hot vigil]

Sure you can do well with most guns in the game, but I play Hunt for the slower and more deliberately gameplay, which have been lessen with more safe and spamming options.

[hot vigil]

Maybe, did play with idea that we had AHA armored carts with the chance of stronger weapons being in there.

[warped trellis]

i'd say if they made the fancy guns pickups only it shouldnt be in easily found places, that'll just encourage a sort of rush

[valid linden]

Seems like Mammoth Gun from bf hardline

What do you think about blowgun being added to the game ?

[hot vigil]

Fine, just not as tool.

[valid linden]

How can this be a tool rather than a weapon ?

[warped trellis]

same way throwing axes, throwing knives, derringer are

[valid linden]

oh... understood

[signal mural]

I think it makes little sense, especially as a weapon. The lethality of a blowgun was largely reliant on poisons, which don't work the same way in Hunt as IRL. A headshot with a light projectile from a blowgun wouldn't be leathal. It'd ultimately just be more clutter.

[warped trellis]

ow! "The inconvenience!"

[remote ore]

I'd like to see a mini-crossbow that would be categorized as a tool. Maybe something attached to your arm that you can use to dispatch AI. Less powerful than the hand crossbow (can't one-shot a hunter even in close range), but still practical to progress on the map without going loud with the other guns

(hmm maybe not the right place to post this)

[signal mural]

Yeah akin to the slingshot tool idea that has also been suggested regularly.

[warped trellis]

idk, more throwing knife replacements seem....meaningless?

[remote ore]

nope, range is useful

also poison to deal with immolators silently is nice

oh, "throwing" knife, ok. I prefer throwing axes, but yeah my idea was something that would also be useful against immolators so you don't have to punch them repeatedly in the face and alert everyone around about your position

would be a cool alternative to dispatch AI, and quite easy to balance with the other tools as well

[carmine needle]

nagant does this. Not sure we will get a melee punchable, unless you get a syringe type weapon. but that'd be piercing so... idk

[warped trellis]

obviously we should be chloroforming the immolators

[carmine needle]

lol

[remote ore]

I know nagant does this, as well as centennial shorty poison which is one of my favs, but I'd like to have a lil something as a tool, not as a gun

[carmine needle]

im down with this

fair

[signal mural]

Poisoned throwing knives

[carmine needle]

Sorry, wasn't meant to be a "NaGaNt dOeS tHiS" moreso doubt they will add a poison melee when they have two silent options that do it already. :/

BUT if they add a spot where you can poison your melee weapon, that would be cool

like gun oil?

[wanton imp]

like those ammo swap crates

[carmine needle]

yeah

[wanton imp]

except its exclusively for melee

[carmine needle]

lil jar of poison slop

do a dippy dippy

[signal mural]

But then people will argue when they can't poison a blunt melee... or environmental melee items

[carmine needle]

people argue for everything

can't make everyone happy lol

[wanton imp]

true

[valid linden]

Ranch sauce for europeans

as poison

[wanton imp]

lol

[signal mural]

Thank whatever non-denominational creative force that it's so... Otherwise this game would be a hot bucket of slopp

[carmine needle]

truth

[remote ore]

I can see the challenge to introduce new things without breaking the balance for existing stuff

[carmine needle]

I do think there should be a single tap melee tool option for immolators

[valid linden]

Hunt combines rng and consistency to please the audience

[carmine needle]

that dusters still take several hits annoys me

[remote ore]

also dusters + missclick = boom

[carmine needle]

lemme punch the man twice and be done

once*

yes

[signal mural]

I honestly think poison throwing knives would be fine especially if they imploded like with poison arrow

[carmine needle]

if i wind up a punch, should be ohk for immos

that would be cool

good middle ground

it's a glass flask knife?

[remote ore]

poison flasks

[signal mural]

Oh no sorry I mean the Immolaters

[wanton imp]

like a non-cloud version of a poison bomb

[carmine needle]

yeah. flat knife shaped glass ... knife, but with a bubble of poison in the middle, shatters on impact

some bleed damage, poison, but not retrievable and does not leave a cloud?

[wanton imp]

we kinda already have a poison melee

[carmine needle]

we do?

[valid linden]

A b'ah o' w'ter

[wanton imp]

if you count dewclaw + poison arrow as a melee

[remote ore]

does that kill immos without kabooming?

[wanton imp]

nope

same if you fire poison arrow at a immolator

[valid linden]

silent nagant revolver + poison ammo kills every ai

[remote ore]

yeah I know lol

silent cent shorty poison too

[carmine needle]

point was that there is no one shot melee tool for immos