feedback-discussion

[quick raven]

That's always the hope. Make grinding POSSIBLE, but make people WANT to buy it

So they still want/need the money - just currently you have the option to buy it outright or buy the BB and acquire it

I do agree with the idea of getting rid of premium currency though. Truth be told that always leaves me with a sour taste

[quick raven]

Because of exactly what I said ^^

So just stop dicking me around, and make me pay for it

[ivory crater]

yall are paying for DLCs?

[open carbon]

No, I seduce them till they come to me out of their own free will.

[quick raven]

I do, yes.

[ivory crater]

I will pay crytek when they make a really cute waifu

[open carbon]

Here she is

[brisk timber]

Luz is cute waifu

[ivory crater]

smh

this just shows how down bad hunt players are

[open carbon]

Luz Mala and Felis best girl

[open carbon]

This just shows how some hunt players have no taste for maturity anymore

[brisk timber]

Im glad hunt doesnt go the route of sixpacks and bikini girls everywhere like those korean gacha games

[ivory crater]

wait

that sounded wierd

[open carbon]

It did

:P

[brisk timber]

but ...would be cool for the next skin to be a cool cowboy dude again D: so many weirdo skins lately

[open carbon]

Rango

Gimme Rango skin

😂

[ivory crater]

hunt making not appealing skins
and complaining about not earning money lol

[brisk timber]

Hm somewhat yea but also no

[open carbon]

"Appealing" is subjective though. You'll get the appeal once you got bomb lanced to hell and back by a trio of grannies

[brisk timber]

We have reaper. Lonely howl.

Pretty edgy skins

[ivory crater]

yeah

but

I see a reaper and I immedialy knows that the player is mid

[open carbon]

That's what I think about Cain players xD

They're just bad people

:P

[quick raven]

I lied earlier. THAT will be the moment I fucking leave.

[open carbon]

Oh come on don't tell me you wouldn't like a hot gal with two thicc Double Derringers

[quick raven]

I appreciate (and enjoy) thematically appropriate seasonal stuff... so if some of the grunts were in dingy, torn up and bloody Santa outfits or something, I can dig TF out of that.

But when they start doing classless, stupid shit like bikini girls and such....

[quick raven]

I have "the Hub" for that.

[open carbon]

Ok so classy tiddies it is

[quick raven]

And I'll give her a 3rd thicc d..... nvm.

[open carbon]

Lul

[ivory crater]

That's basically luz tho

she's wearing practically nothing lol

why are all these hunters wearing so much cloth anyways

[quick raven]

Who am I kidding... it's more like a snub-nose 357. Watch out for that hair trigger.

[open carbon]

Because if you don't smell of sweat and piss, you're no real cowboy

[quick raven]

I get it. In all seriousness, I do see the "lulz" appeal. And the gamer-girl with her fake pre-teen voice and cat-ear headphones giggling along while playing the Baywatch character...
But I am honestly really big about atmosphere and such in most of my games. So when I see stuff like that, it makes me not want to play it.

It's one of the 2 things that keep me from playing much multiplayer at all in games like Phasmophobia

[open carbon]

I doubt that they'll ever go that far

[quick raven]

OH, no, I totally agree. THey seem to be committed, they're more or less very on point with their characters thus far, and they seem to take the setting and theme appropriately serious - which I appreciate and admire.

It was just an offhanded comment that turned into a discussion 😅

I do think that the feudal Japanese looking characters feel like a stretch, but I wasn't here for the release so maybe there's some lore-appropriate explanation

[open carbon]

I think there's a lore explanation for almost every legendary hunter

I'm only saying "almost" because I haven't really made sure it's all of them

[quick raven]

It does seem like they did their homework in making that happen, so I wouldn't doubt it!!

[open carbon]

But the lore is deep

One can actually get a lot out of it if one is willing to just look for it

Kind of reminds me of Dark Souls storytelling

[quick raven]

Stop.

Don't insult Hunt like that.

🤣

[ivory crater]

lore?

what lore

I just shoot people

[quick raven]

You don't lore them into a false sense of security first?

(yes, I know what I did there)

[open carbon]

Bruh 😅 Don't insult Dark Souls, I'm going to die on that hill :P

[quick raven]

(and yes, I am ashamed for it)

[open carbon]

That was painful 😂

[ivory crater]

lol Dark Souls is good

I played ds3 before

but tbh I didn't really care about lore I just killed a bunch of mobs

[brisk timber]

Guys its still #feedback-discussion thought

[open carbon]

We could discuss if it's good or not, one can't deny that the types of how both games tell their stories is similar

[quick raven]

Nah, I get it. i'm just willing to debate to the end of days that Dark Souls doesn't have great storytelling. It has great lore and backstory. But when we talk abotu "storytelling" I consider that a narrative. And Souls doesn't put forward a good narrative, IMO. To me, that's what actually makes Souls so unique - there is no narrative. It's just trying to figure out, pretty loosely, what you're doing based on the scraps of lore you have to put together.

[ivory crater]

smh

gameplay matters more than lore

[quick raven]

Eeehhhh....

Depends.

[ivory crater]

it's not a light novel game

[open carbon]

Immersion is where both intersect

[quick raven]

Yeah, I died a little inside 🤣

[quick raven]

I see your point and offer Death Stranding.

The gameplay was just "pretty good." The story was fucking immaculate.

[open carbon]

I raise you one Metal Gear

[ivory crater]

it's 40 dollars right now

who do you think I am

Elon Musk?

[quick raven]

Anakin.

[ivory crater]

I paid 10 for hunt tho

I got it on sale

[quick raven]

Fair. I'm sure I did too, because I don't even remember when I bought it 🤣 it literally sat in my library for years.

Now I'm like "Da fuq did I do!?"

[open carbon]

I spent tax payer money to buy all DLCs and even gift the game to my sister while it was not on sale

[ivory crater]

pretty sure the server cost for me exceeds the initial cost now lol

I played for like reaching 700 hours now

[open carbon]

I'm not even kidding

[ivory crater]

most logical US budget be like:

[quick raven]

I get it. I bought it for my brother, and will probaby buy it for my older two sons this week.

[open carbon]

Yeah by that point, the devs might be losing money with you. I'm at almost 1.8k hours and kinda felt obligated to feed them more money xD

[ivory crater]

me leeching 😈

ill pay cryteck when they release cute waifu

[quick raven]

my litmus test for "good buy" is $1/hr of gameplay. So.... I have a ways to go, but I easily see myself buying all DLC

[open carbon]

Hmmm I'd have to check my receipts but I'm sure I'm way below that.. Somewhere around $0.10/hour probably, or even less

[quick raven]

On that note, does Collector edition ever go on sale?

If so, I'll force myself to wait

[open carbon]

It does and doesn't at the same time, let me explain

[quick raven]

I imagine not though, since it's already a pretty solid deal

listens

[open carbon]

You get the 35% discount for all DLCs on top of them possibly being on sale

[quick raven]

Ooooh.

[open carbon]

So the collectors edition itself is never really on sale

[quick raven]

So wait until a decent amount of DLC are on sale, and then you, by proxy, get collector on sale

[open carbon]

But the DLCs are often enough and you get the compounded discount

Aye

AND

You'll still get the 35% on future DLCs if you buy the collectors edition again

[quick raven]

Oh snap.

[open carbon]

So the deal is still on for the future even if you buy it now

It's pretty nice actually, got the latest DLCs all at between 50% and 80% off

[knotty ore]

@rigid basalt Can you elaborate on the arrow issue? I'm pretty confused. I have a recurve bow. The notches that go into the bow string only really allow you to fire that arrow one of two ways. Both kind of look the same.

Neither are wrong as the feathering on the other end of the arrow is soft and it doesn't really matter which way you fire it.

[ivory crater]

same Im pretty confused
itsn't there like 3 feathers on the arrow

they are like 120degrees apart

[knotty ore]

Yeah, it helps stabalize the arrow in flight, but its totally fine if they hit the bow on the way out. They are soft and collapse backwards.

[quick raven]

He's not talking about the notches, he's talking about the fletching (the feathers). In real life, the top fletching is parallel with the string.. It looks like in that case, the fletchings are upside down.

It does impact trajectory a bit. And, is just bad looks.

[ivory crater]

I didn't know that tbh

always preferred guns over bows tbh

[quick raven]

Yessir. Does it matter ot the game? Not in the slightest. But it is an inaccuracy from a "realism" perspective.

And considering I think he's right about it just requiring them to go in and rotate the model 180-degrees, it's a pretty easy fix.

[open carbon]

Bows are shit. Until you kill something with it, then it feels awesome

Speaking for strictly in-game ofc

[quick raven]

For defending my family, every single fking time.
But for hunting, I prefer bows.
For Hunting, I haven't tried bows yet. 🤣

[ivory crater]

bows are hard to draw
I mean unless it's a compound

[open carbon]

Or unless you are stronk

Also you choose your draw weight so it fits your strength

[quick raven]

It definitely can be. What makes a compound a lot easier isn't so much the poundage for drawing it back, it's that the way the cams are designed, even if it takes 70 lb. of pressure to draw it back, once you cross a certain threshold (what they call "once it breaks") it only requires like 10 lb to hold it all the way back.

cams = the little wheel-looking things at the top and bottom of the compound bow

For anyone who isn't familiar with them

So for an old school longbow, you're legit pulling 70 lb of pressure the whole time. A compound bow, once you get it drawn back, you're practically relaxing.

[ivory crater]

I guess it's more of a technique thing
as panophobe said when you draw an compound bow it's easy to maintain the draw
I can draw a regular bow but it's harder to maintain and aim

[quick raven]

Definitely technique. It probably sounds stupid, but it's like a pull-up... you do it more with your back than with your arms.

[knotty ore]

It doesn't matter which way you fire it

[quick raven]

😻

[open carbon]

Yeah it definitely is about technique. With regular or composite bows, you usually don't want to hold them drawn for very long, so you don't draw unless you're ready to shoot. Kinda like keeping your finger off the trigger

[knotty ore]

The arrow will spin that's all that matters.

[quick raven]

Yesssssss

[knotty ore]

The fletching is super soft so it will collapse at bow anyway.

Maybe you are thinking of compound arrows which are different

And it does matter in that bow

[ivory crater]

Are you supposed to rest the arrow at the right side of the bow or the left?

[knotty ore]

Are you right or left handed>

[ivory crater]

right

[knotty ore]

Then the arrow is on the left

[ivory crater]

why tho

[open carbon]

Aim

[quick raven]

My bow pictures all have dead animals... so probably getting lynched if I post them 🤣

[knotty ore]

Usually you use an arrow rest, or your hand if you are a bad ass bitch like Legolas

If you use your hand its hard to do it on the same side as your draw arm

And most arrow rests are already on the opposide side of your draw arm

[quick raven]

Absolutely not on that. You don't want it to collapse on the bow. That massacres the fletching. That's why on modern bows, you have the cock fletching (the offcolored one) pointing AWAY from your riser

[knotty ore]

I fire them both ways and have not noticed a difference

I have a 40lb recurve bow

[ivory crater]

yeah but when you are reloading
it would be easier to put the arrow on the right side of the bow
than to flip ur bow and put it on the left side

[quick raven]

Is it going to make a difference one time on a 10 yard shot? Nope, not likely. But it does destroy the fletching (and alter trajectory) over time. And it's more pronounced on longer shots.

[quick raven]

If you're right/left handed you're going to use different hands... so you don't "flip" it. Like rifles, there are left-handed bows.

[open carbon]

You're putting the arrow in from above, not from behind, iirc

[quick raven]

In rifles, the casing is ejected form the opposite side. In bows, the arrow rests on the other side.

[knotty ore]

That depends where you pull the arrow from. Some archers hold extra arrows with the hand that holds the bow so they can pull them really fast.

[quick raven]

But here's the interesting part... it's actually not about your "handedness"

You choose your bow based on whether you're left- or right-eye dominant

(it just so happens that most people, your dominant eye is also on the same side)

[knotty ore]

Modern archers actually don't use shoulder quivers. Most of them use hip quivers

[quick raven]

I'm a fucking weirdo exception

[open carbon]

Uncommon case here, I'm left handed and right eye dominant

[quick raven]

Or attached to the bow, if you're using bow

compound bow*

[quick raven]

Right handed, left-eye dominant here.

[nimble thicket]

Same o/

[quick raven]

So I'm right handed, but I need left-handed bows and rifles

Freaks unite

https://tenor.com/view/mama-oprah-would-be-very-proud-of-us-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20256360

[knotty ore]

The fletching is not straight, its going to hit the bow no matter what, by the time you release, you will start the spin anyway. All my arrows are still in good condition and I don't really use the suggested orientation on the arrows

[open carbon]

I'm not sure if the fletching even touches the bow because of how the arrow bends

[knotty ore]

Assuming in Hunt, you are combat shooting your bow so you aren't going to make sure its the right orinetation every time anyway

[rotund obsidian]

team camping pearl plantation with like 7 different concertina bombs blocking everything with shotguns and a bomb lance

[quick raven]

It does matter. That's literally the "whisker biscuit" rest's marketing strategy. "secures your arrow perfectly, even upside down, but specifically designed with whiskers that won't hurt your fletching"

[open carbon]

I believe I've seen some slomo footage where the arrow bent it's ends away from the bow when passing it

[knotty ore]

Dog, that's compound not recurve

@quick raven

[quick raven]

ANd it's still the same principle https://bowaddicted.com/which-way-does-the-odd-coloured-arrow-fletch-face/

[knotty ore]

Back of an arrow shooting recurve doesn't hit the bow almost ever, the feathers might glide along it a little bit, but it doesn't matter.

[knotty ore]

They collapse packwards

[quick raven]

Like, don't get me wrong... I'm not saying if you do it the other way it's going to make the arrow boomerang back at you 🤣

[quick raven]

THis... looks like a serial killer's notes...

🤣

[ivory crater]

see here
you get arrow and put it on the right side
or you get arrow, cross it over and put on left

so wouldn't putting arrow on right be faster

🤔

[knotty ore]

Look at the arrow rests they are using. Those are competition style bows.

Its not a standard recurve

[quick raven]

Not quite. If you're left handed, you're putting the arrow on with your left hand on the left side. If you're right handed, you're putting the arrow with your right hand on the right side

[knotty ore]

It might matter because there is a hunk of steel that will get in the way

I shoot a regular recurve bow. My arrow rest is a little toothpick lol

[quick raven]

Do you, bro. 🤣

[ivory crater]

both drawing is dipicting a person drawing arrow with right hand from hip

[quick raven]

I'm just giving advice

If you're drawing iwth your right hand, as a left handed person, you're doing it wrong IMO, because you should have your quiver on your left hip, drawing iwth your left hand

[knotty ore]

I shoot a bow that looks a lot like a Hunt bow which is why I was commenting.

[quick raven]

Fair nuff.

[knotty ore]

I just use modern arrows because I'm not going to chizzle shit out of wood lol

[quick raven]

Let's see if I have a picture of my bow somewhere...

[ivory crater]

in competition tho you are competing in accuracy

but not actual hunting and combat

[quick raven]

I'd argue it's more important in hunting, tbh

In competing, you miss a target.

In hunting, that animal bleeds to death for 3 hours

in combat, fuck 'em - make em suffer.

[ivory crater]

yeah but fire rate and movement is also a thing

in a competition you just stand and take aim

[quick raven]

So I don't have a new picture. This one is an older bow of mine from literally 10 years ago night before opening day of deer season

[ivory crater]

is that a right handed bow

[nimble thicket]

Archer's paradox in case you wanted to look it up

[quick raven]

Yep. And the sight is so completely forcefucked to compensate.

[knotty ore]

You actually can put the arrow on the other side. I think some people do it.

[quick raven]

It was my first bow. Bear.

[open carbon]

I hunt deer the only true MURICAN way. With a .50 BMG DMRs and frag grenades

[open carbon]

I had a Bear too

[quick raven]

I don't have a problem with it, I just like the Bow experience. Almost every one that I've taken, was close enough at one point that I could literally see the whiskers on its face, hear it breathe or wheeze or snort.

[open carbon]

Never had a chance to shoot it though, a friend dry fired it and it tore the poor thing apart

[quick raven]

Ooooouch

That can be a baaaaad situation

[open carbon]

I made the idiot pay for it

[quick raven]

Damned right.

[knotty ore]

https://youtu.be/p5JsLfO73jw?t=355

[open carbon]

He can be glad he didn't get hurt

[unborn smelt]

Arrow left is typical in western archery - arrow right in eastern, specivically when shooting with thumbrings

[brisk timber]

🤔

[open carbon]

He had to buy the bow off me

[quick raven]

For the non-archers... when you pull a bow back and let it go without an arrow, the energy of that movement doesn't have an arrow to transfer the energy to.... So it instead sends it all up to the ends of the bow... and really bad shit happens

[ivory crater]

lol the most hunting i've done is with an air gun or 22
hunt rabbits and turkeys

[quick raven]

Nothing at all wrong with that.

[open carbon]

I always have to think of Kentucky's accident. Just with a bow xD

[knotty ore]

That's just mean, give the rabbits a chance. Teach them to use a gun.

[quick raven]

My first time hunting was squirrel. Which is the worst meat you can have 🤣

[quick raven]

I give them a demonstration.

Actually, I've never hunted rabbit. But I have raised and butchered them.

It sounded stupid first time I heard it, but it really is the one thing that actually does taste like chicken.

[quick raven]

😱

[knotty ore]

At least according to seasoned archer youtube guy. Fletching orientation only matters for competitive accuracy shooting which is why practical bows arrows don't even have that different color fletching. So, in Hunt it kind of makes sense.

The archers paradox will bend the arrow enough to clear your rest anyway.

[open carbon]

Just put a thumb in it... Or ten 😂

[quick raven]

You telling me that trying to hit a headshot from 50m doesn't require accuracy....?

[open carbon]

Obviously not, he got homing arrows like a man

[knotty ore]

It requires a fortune teller with how slow that projectile is.

Most of my long range bow kills in Hunt are just guestimates I got lucky on.

Although 50m isn't too bad probably

[quick raven]

Honestly though, when I'm aiming for a softball (or at least a soccerball) sized spot, from 20 ft. in the air, from 30 meters away, I pay attention to every aspect of arrow placement.

[open carbon]

I couldn't even hit a moving target at 50m with a gun if my life depended on it, IRL and in Hunt xD

[knotty ore]

I mostly shoot those hay targets and I hit the middle zone from like 25ft.

Its not like picture perfect every time

[quick raven]

I haven't used one yet, because I figured it was probably a horrible choice. Something that you basically want to master the game mechanics on, then switch to for a harder challenge.

[knotty ore]

Oh man

I feel personally insulted

I kill 5-6 star players with the bow all the time, its not bad.

[quick raven]

Interesting

[knotty ore]

So, here is why I like it.

[quick raven]

Is it silent enough that if you miss a shot, they're not going to immediately identify where you are? Or is it still a dead giveaway?

[brisk timber]

Bow is pretty solid and slept on by most guys.
The only downside is its pushing potential which is obv slower than hipfire a shotty full sprint.

[quick raven]

So quartermaster for a bow w/ shotty?

[brisk timber]

But you can outrage shotguns and hit insane one hit kills

[knotty ore]

The projectile is a bit slow leaving the bow, and its skinny. So, when you shoot someone turning a corner. You can kill them before they have a chance to do anything about it while you turn into the corner yourself. I trade really well in close quarters with it against shotgun users.

[open carbon]

You have to get used to it though, it's kinda hard to learn, even if you're used to crossbows

[brisk timber]

Rather rifle + bow

[knotty ore]

Crossbow is not as good IMO

But, its still good.

[quick raven]

And then just don't press, play the wait 'em out game?

(based on your "bad against shotties" comment)

Not against it, just making sure that's the thought process.

[open carbon]

God I hope not. I'd hard press with that loadout

[knotty ore]

I use Uppermat + bow, or vandal deadeye + bow.

Its not expensive and I usually leave with better guns in the end

[brisk timber]

Nah you can press but you should be the guy with the plan.
Reacting with the bow to spontaneous things is hard. Its a passive powerhouse tho if you fal back holding angles.

[open carbon]

It is hard, but man does it feel good if it works

[quick raven]

Does it compensate for the difficulty with one-shot kills to the upper chest (similar to how shotties seem to function)

[open carbon]

Had some close quarter fights where I just dominated some fanning and levering spammers

[brisk timber]

I usually start with
Cent shorty / Obrez + bow

Than second round QM and either Vetterli or Mosin/Lebel + bow

[quick raven]

Friend who got me into Hunt also commented on how many interesting special arrows there were for it. Are they genuinely fun too?

[brisk timber]

Its like a crossbow in nearly every regard with better sights but without the crossbolt. I think the dropoff is even lower. While poison arrows help alot with PvE so its a good tool aswell for armoreds and bosses.

The main advantage of the crossbow is the insta shot

[quick raven]

Man, I'm just now pulling my own weight with a standar Winfield, but you're making a strong case for switching 🤣

[brisk timber]

But you pay that with 3slots and no option to play a big gun even with QM

Winfield + Bow is also nice for cheap loadout

So its always christmas looting dead hunters 😄

[quick raven]

I'd be more interesting in that if you could actually sell the better weapons and go back in equipped like a scrub 😭

I know others do it, but I'd rather have the money pile than the 300 guns I don't seem to ever use.

[brisk timber]

Tbh theres hardly a gun i wouldnt play that i looted

So rarely a need to sell

Except for maybe avtos

[quick raven]

Probably - I just don't know shit about the guns yet.

I'm 30 hr in and haven't even tried to start identifying sounds yet.

30 is a guestimate, but probably pretty accurate.

identifying gun sounds*

[brisk timber]

Ah then enjoy your trip into the bayou still many little things to learn. I still do after 700-800hrs

[quick raven]

I hope. It's quickly became my favorite FPS - and the only one thus far that's scratched the itch I always have for a game I used to love called Evolve

[knotty ore]

Probably what I was saying was super unclear, but I do this to shotgun users all the time and it works really well with a bow. Bad video, but I've not recorded for a while.

https://streamable.com/stng3f

[brisk timber]

Man i love the bow

[knotty ore]

Basically they don't have a chance to reply because I can shoot the bow and move

[brisk timber]

I jusz feel that high watching this clip

[knotty ore]

Since the projectile is slow and leaves the bow slowly I get kills I probably wouldn't get with a shotgun

[open carbon]

Give it another 100 hrs until you got some half-decent map knowledge and can distinguish between some gun types by sound

[knotty ore]

I just dont have better examples recorded right now

[brisk timber]

Some days ago i deleted 2 trios in a bushfight with a vetterli and my bow

[quick raven]

Yeah, I think I see what you mean though.

[brisk timber]

Just peeking out of a bush an quickshot my bow

Felt like rambo

The range for the one hit kill + the rof on bow is just great

[quick raven]

I do like that feeling, and want to play that style, but my group is very much a "balls-out and into the fray" kinda group.

[open carbon]

Need hundred hands though

[quick raven]

Yeah, I got that unlocked - obviously not used it yet though.

Bloodline is like.. 70 I think?

[knotty ore]

shotguns are muuuch better at offense than a bow

You can jump and shoot accurately

[brisk timber]

Yea true. That trait needs a rework tho. It actually extends the drawtime for 10% more dmg.
In which world does hundred hands make pulling take longer D:

The stronger the arm the faster the pull

Archery 101

[open carbon]

You can join me and edible when I get back up, gonna catch some Zs now, but we're planning to do some ping tests on US east and I'll show him what a crappy 4* can do xD

[knotty ore]

Hundred hands is actually quite good. You get one taps more often than without it. At least in my experience.

I use the bow defensively so it kind of doesn't matter too much about extra draw time

[brisk timber]

Yea ofc
Im just saying that the logic of increasing the drawtime is stupid

[quick raven]

I bring a Winfield 1938 (mainly for magazine size) and a Caldwell Snake Eyes (cuz $7 fucking dollars 🤣 )

[knotty ore]

Agreed. Its not like the bow is overpowered or anything

They can easily change that and not break anything

[brisk timber]

💯

[open carbon]

Springy boom boom ammo + sth else fun

[quick raven]

Should be back home from this trip on Thursday evening.

[brisk timber]

A fast drawtime would really help the bow be played more offensively

Which is really needed

[knotty ore]

Explosive ammo is hilariously underpowered. If you use it, you got like steel truck nuts we got in Murica

[open carbon]

Might happen sooner than that

[open carbon]

We'll see 😋

Alright, nighty night now my dears, stay safe o7

[quick raven]

🤣

Have a good night!

[quick raven]

Are you positive it still is? I've only played a few rounds, (like 3-4) but every single person was within half-a-star of my MMR.

@wanton imp - I like your altruism idea - but I think it works better without increasing the quantity of heals. Can Doctor double your impact on teammates?

[wanton imp]

thanks for the feedback. yeah i think it should work but it will be unbalanced with doctor

[quick raven]

Might be right. I was thinking if you ran like... 3-4 traits dedicated just to a medic-style role, it might be excusable for it to be that powerful.

Altruism
Doctor
Physician
Necromancer lol

[wanton imp]

the main problem i see with this trait is when both players go altruist then it might be a bit overpowered

[quick raven]

Hmmm

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-twins-power-activate-twins-explosion-gif-6046723

[fiery shell]

There are far more players in and around 3 star than there are at 6 so you are more likely to see players in your skill bracket as you make up a majority of the players

[prime ibex]

@lethal dirge Devs need money.

Besides 50 cents worth of bb a week in challenges is still pretty generous compared to other devs and their companies. Hell, if you're lucky you could find the 50 bb register in every match. Extremely easy to miss, but hey it's pretty nice for them to leave that in aswell.

[rigid basalt]

yes but you see the feathers on these arrows are real feathers and thzerfrrefore pretty stiff and would push the arrow away from the bow in an incosanistnen way when its only one feather toucheing it if its the 2 feathers instead it is a stable and consitent push and predictable and way less of a push then with the one feather touching the side of the bow directly it would also wear down the single feather rather drastically in short time

[little carbon]

A bit of a late reply, but I really like the topic of contracts. You are right that giving players choice is a good thing as long as it's meaningful, and allowing people with hardware disadvantage to not play these maps seems like a fine ability.

However there is also merit to saying that the skill of making your loadout work under adverse conditions or building diverse enough loadouts is a core part of hunt and should be rewarded.

Therefore a compromise might be the best solution. What could be done is changing up on how contracts work.

Have a primary contract that allows all map types always, including night, rain, etc. This contract will always have all content. This contract would need some new mechanic that punishes extracting early or just makes it not possible.

And then have a secondary contract that only contains "standard* times of day. This contract would feature a reduced bounty value as a tradeoff. (Or to make it sound better, nerf bounty value in general and then give the primary contract a bonus equal to the difference).
This allows people to avoid these times of day but are rewarded if they chose to play the intended way.

And I reckon the amount of people that like night etc. to be a chance is a lot higher than people that just want to play night

[elder knot]

Am i allowed to drop videos in this channel?

is that ok that barbed wire cannot be penetrated?

[hardy coral]

You're using dumb dumb bullets which can't pen anything. FMJ bullets and long ammo can penetrate and destroy wire.

[elder knot]

with expansive cartridge

[elder knot]

thats not my gun lmao

i wiped 7 people alone and had to change weapon fast

and here i died to 1 last dude cuz i cant penetrate barbed wire?????

[hardy coral]

Yeah, you can't.

[elder knot]

even with expansive ammo this is very stupid

[hardy coral]

If you wanna pen it you can use FMJ or Long ammo. You can also shoot through the gaps but that's finnicky.

[elder knot]

i know that but BARBED WIRE damn i never expected this shit to happen i hope this is a bug

[hardy coral]

It's not a bug it's exactly how it works.

You need high penetration bullets to penetrate through it and break it.

[little carbon]

And dum dum has 0 penetration as for balancing reasons

[elder knot]

even .22 can penetrate such a thin object man i understand if it doesnt penetrate wooden wall or anything higher but barbed wire is too much

like man

its A DAMN WIRE

[little carbon]

Dont try to apply realism. Hunt favours gameplay balance over realism

[hardy coral]

Metal in this game is universally hard to pen, the concertina wire is metal and therefore hard to penetrate.

[little carbon]

It doesnt matter whether or not it is possible in real life. The only thing that matters is how the numbers correlate. And they say dum dum dont pen

cause else too strong

[elder knot]

i find this dumb even term of game balance

[crystal plume]

I'd say Hunt favors authenticity over realism rather than gameplay over realism

Since there's still cases where authenticity is taking a priority over gameplay

But yeah it's as designed with only FMJ and long ammo breaking concertina wire (when it comes to normal ammo options, obviously your nitros and explosive ammo will also break it)

[little carbon]

Not in terms of balance i'd say. they ususally oonly make things more authentic if it doesnt hurt gamplay

[elder knot]

i perfectly understand why it cant penetrate any other +- thick solid object, but cant penetrate wire its too much. It would be as dumb if it couldnt penetrate window

which i never tried and wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt lmao

[crystal plume]

I mean you say that but dolch and avtomat are still somewhat stubbornly kept as strong weapons damage/range wise because of what ammo they would've used in real life

Which is why instead they went with other nerfs

[elder knot]

mosin avtomat is literaly AVT-40

[crystal plume]

Avto for example should simply not have around 300m 1 tap headshot range, even if you're not likely to hit anyone with it at that range in the head

But since it's using same ammo as a mosin, it's kept like that

Even though gameplay wise it would make more sense for it to not do that

[little carbon]

I'd still say the avto wasnt unabalanced and was overnerfed with this patch

[hardy coral]

Avto should just not be in the game, it's not OP but it's not fun.

[elder knot]

still same 7.62x54R

[hardy coral]

Nitro is the real OP weapon.

[crystal plume]

That's literally my point lol

[elder knot]

avtomosin is very very fun

[hardy coral]

It's not fun to face it since it can just randomly kill you.

[elder knot]

i rarely use it cuz its too op and i feel kinda bad but when you

[crystal plume]

They are not making gameplay a priority in this instance due to the guns using X ammo in real life

[hardy coral]

But in other cases the gun just misses every shot on you. It's like super dualies and therefore isn't fun.

[elder knot]

just bullet storm one poor guy while he shoots once in few seconds

[little carbon]

My point still holds. There was no reason to change the ammo, cause the gun was ultimately fine.

[elder knot]

it make me laugh

What really is op

is a Nitro Express

[hardy coral]

66 metre one shot is total BS. Gun needs a complete rework.

[elder knot]

unless that damn moment when it for some reason deals 120 damage

[hardy coral]

That is the stubbornly kept gun.

[elder knot]

also triple barrel is overpriced imo

[little carbon]

Nah. Drilling is insane

[elder knot]

and lemat uppercut is really not that good

[little carbon]

Its a free full size shotgun on a decent rifle

[elder knot]

meh im still more effective with mosin or lrr

[elder knot]

actually i think its piece of trash

and find coldwell uppercut much better

than lemat

if lemat uppercut was a carbine

he would be much more interesting choice

[queen jungle]

@obsidian sparrow @queen jungle Please provide additional information for your posts in #feedback, as they will be considered "low effort" posts otherwise.

[rocky turtle]

@astral pivot I don't mean to be that guy but no shit it's deactivated in quick play. You did however recover from your obvious statement by explaining exactly the problem with it being disabled... this is a severe problem with this game. I do not want to cyber bully kids by dropping my mmr just because I don't want to play with randoms in bounty. So, I'll say it again FIX THE MMR already it's been complained about enough.

@elder knot No it would still be bad even if it was a carbine. The uppermat has the unique problems of:
A) it's a medium slot with the same spread of a small slot shotgun meaning I'd literally rather a handcannon.
B) it's a medium slot for over 400 ... I'd rather just use a Mosin obrez.
C) The only point of it is to get extra shotgun ammo even though they nerfed ammo matching. There's no legitimate reason to ever need or want to use this weapon it's a waste of space and requires a trait to use.

TLDR: it's bad in EVERY category it should have been useful for. They need to give it the SAME spread/range as the Romero handcannon if they want to see any use from the thing.

As for the drilling ... that thing is foul. If anything they need to UP the price to the 800+ range. It actually breaks the game more than the sparks pistol did.

[dusky tapir]

@sour bluff good suggestion but poor cletus 😦

I actually never tested this - what happens if you let Cletus run out of chunks in the tutorial?

[elder knot]

if it was a carbine at least it would have even better velocity and one tap damage, and also most likely be 0 recoil. Literally just a buffed regular carbine

[p;

[open carbon]

@dull prawn It's a nice idea, though there are probably quite some people whose visibility at regular night is already as bad or worse than rain and fog...
Also, I'd call it "new moon" instead of "midnight" because midnight with a full moon is pretty bright :D
Also, like with other conditions, I'd want it to be thrown in with all the other times of day and weather conditions so you might end up being completely ill-prepared and have to adapt even more

[elder knot]

why doesnt dragon breath count as incendiary ammunition?

[dull prawn]

While "new moon" is technically more accurate, the idea is directly inspired by the Moorhound trailer which has the full moon visible, I think it'd look more atmospheric that way, hence "midnight". As for adding it into the regular mix, though, I feel it's different enough from other conditions to warrant its own wildcard that you spec specifically for - the idea behind the condition is to actively encourage people to bring "Light" gear that they normally wouldn't take. Throwing it into the mix as a random would just be frustrating imo, cause you'd need to pack Light gear on the very small chance that you spawned in Midnight and people would largely hate it

[open carbon]

I'd even try the map without any light items. There are still other light sources and players with light items, that I can rely on those so I don't run around like a headless chicken ^^ I'd turn on generators to light up compounds and noisy up the place. I can really see this time of day being a thing, but I also immediately think nobody would be forced to bring specific loadouts ^^

Most indoors are lit up by lanterns and such

I want Raytracing for Hunt

Nights do look the prettiest in the game after all

[elder knot]

Also i hate damn BOW and CROSSBOW. Those two weapons are so damn toxic i want to cry everytime i hit someone's chest cqb with a shotgun and he just taps me in a trousers

[open carbon]

Some would say shotguns are more toxic

As annoying as they are, they're harder to play and feel more rewarding because of that

Bows and Crossbows I mean

[elder knot]

i may be cursed but whenever enemy has a damn bow

i die

[open carbon]

I feel you

[elder knot]

Most of bow-runners encounters i DIE

and i mean MOST

[open carbon]

Same

But have you tried playing them yourself?

[elder knot]

Yes and its like driving elecrtic car in asseto corsa

[open carbon]

Like, not just "trying" but actually playing them a while to get better and see how they feel?

[elder knot]

doesnt feel right you know

i basicly dislike them in any game

[open carbon]

Hmm weird comparison, can't relate because I don't play racing games

[elder knot]

especially in games where there are firearms

[open carbon]

Also don't electric cars have stronger accelleration and thus should feel better?

[open carbon]

I'd dislike them too because realistically they would be a close to useless against guns. But in this game they are still very viable as you yourself had to experience being on the receiving end .. They are, in my opinion, in no way overpowered, they're hard to master and you gotta get pretty close to the enemy to be effective.. But I get how annoying they are, it always pisses me off to no end losing against them. But when I play them myself, I feel extremely good if I can hit and actually kill something xD

[chilly nova]

While normal vaulting is often super inconsistent, I found out that this particular case from last week was a bug where vaulting is impossible in a specific spot of a wall.

This is the corner of Lower DeSalle. If you try to vault right in the middle here (where it looks like there's overlap of two 3D models) then you cannot vault. If you move left or right (even just slightly) of the center, you can vault.

GeForce Experience said it was recording but apparently I only have screenshots, so here's that. You shouldn't need the video to confirm it's a bug though:

[hardy coral]

how tf did the sparks pistol break the game? It's bad.

The uppermat is basically a 440 dollar centennial vandal with a 1/3rd of the pickup and a shotgun that's only usable with slugs.

I'd reduce the Uppermat price to 330, up the damage to 124, and give the buckshot a 7 metre kill range.

[open carbon]

Those changes sound like they could actually happen. Though I think they might leave the price a bit higher if they up damage and buckshot kill range

[hardy coral]

I suppose, it really should be cheaper than uppercut though.

Like 370-400.

[open carbon]

Yeah

[hardy coral]

7 metres kill range is basically what you get with the rival or terminus handcannon I think. You get about 9, 10 if you are lucky, with the romero and specter handcannon.

[celest quest]

They should add "emotes" like waving "hi" or "bye" or point a direction in game

[little jackal]

and dance moves

jk, I'm all for some little immersive touches

I would love to see some new badass animations, like the arnie's reload for terminus, maybe even in the form of BB purchases

[open carbon]

They should add the option to play dead like in Unreal Tournament

[azure elm]

I have seen this spot before and noticed you can vault it. I just thought it was because it was just too tall in that spot. Seeing as it’s a different barrier than say the wooden fences, I just assumed it’s vaulting options were different. I feel like there’s similar spots around the different maps that have rock walls like that that you can’t vault. Good to know.

[past socket]

rain, leave, rain, leave, moonlight, leave, rain, leave, can I play one normal game please ? why the f did you put all the shit times of day in the same group and rain with higher percentage to be chosen ?

[little carbon]

Have you tried just playing instead of extracting? You can make any loadout work any time of day so there shouldn't really be a reason for you to leave

[rotund obsidian]

ammo muling 💀 i think sparks pistol could use a price reduction now that its basically just a long ammo refill for your enemies

i love the funny oneshot gun but i can't bring myself to run more money for a worse gun when i could just take basically any revolver

[past socket]

I care about my eyes and I'm not intending to cheat like other people using reshaders, by all means you play vs reshaders and see how that is on night, fog and rain maps.....

[fervent spindle]

Bring Back Special contract or reduce the night and Rain Maps

10 Games 8 times Rain. Is Not funny

[hardy coral]

You could use uppercut for that and get a weapon that was at least useful to switch to. I suppose the reserve made the pickup good though and the price was a little more accessible.

[rotund obsidian]

i aint tryna pay like 3x my primary on a sidearm tho, ya dig?

[hardy coral]

But it didn't break the game, it was annoying though.

[dull mason]

Shitty excuse, not everyone uses reshade, just turn the gamma up on your monitor.

[azure elm]

Ya, how do you know everyone is using reshade? Turn up gamma and suck it up. I think rain is majorly enjoyed by the majority of the player base. I want more rain and I’m just not getting it enough. I wish they didn’t add it to standard for the exact opposite reasons as you.

[trim helm]

Bring Back Special contract or reduce the night and Rain Maps!!!

[hardy coral]

The rain is good but the heavy portions should last a shorter time.

Maybe even be a set of moving clouds?

[unborn dagger]

Nah, heavy portion is good where it's at.

[elder knot]

i think they should be extended

cuz they look cool

[unborn dagger]

Facts

[open carbon]

Undeniable truth

The Bayou only really shines in fog, rain and darkness

[brisk timber]

Its so annoying that crytek creates an environment where players are annoyed about some maps and weather condition seperating or not seperating into wildcards.

Instead of finally just let people opt in or out and putting every one in one queue.

Wanna play only daytime? Fine
Night? Mark checkbox
Fog and Rain? Check and check
If there are enough players in the queue than you get your pref weather. If not just daytime

Easy as that

No need to seperate any queue

[queen jungle]

It does effecticely create separate queues

[ripe basalt]

@analog willow Happy to inform you that we made changes per your #feedback message post.

[brisk timber]

We could have daytime as a basic "have to" queue and the other condition just having extra chance. Sure it will probably be heavily daytme sided because thats whats most players seem to want only. But atleast we have no hard seperated queue

I think that forced nights or other conditions where half the server goes to extract are even worse than anything else

[queen jungle]

It was that way for years tbh, so what we have right now is just a change back to the normal state

[brisk timber]

i know but that doesnt make it better 😄

people where reliefed that condition like night were seperated

[open carbon]

I wasn't 🙈 But we had that already xD

[brisk timber]

Like in counter strike i can just select different maps - some are more liked than other by the community. If i select a bunch of maps i play probably 90% of the time the most favorite ones
BUT
atleast sometimes i have matches in the other not very liked maps aswell if i opt in for them
but the people that dont want to play them dont have to
and im in the same queue as every other counter strike player

So thats no witchcraft 😄

[analog willow]

😊

[azure phoenix]

Absolutely fing SICK of ping abusers from china and japan on EU servers

Please for the love of christ

[open carbon]

Ping abuse is a myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEmbUkDkgo

[light badge]

they should change the default to night time and you have to opt into daytime and if there aren't enough people in queue then it's just night time map :^)

[unique osprey]

True however as pointed out in the video because hunt at the moment does not discard shots after being killed so if I understand the video there is a trade advantage associated with high ping.

[open carbon]

That is probably true yeah, I don't know if that is worth it though... If you die anyway

[azure elm]

Why are there so many complaints about the queues? It seems like an important aspect of the game now. If a hunter is hired to go retrieve a bounty, you go get the bounty. A hunter wouldn’t wait until the rain goes away or the fog clears, he’s got a job to do. Get the bounty and get out. Plus there’s an event going on. Have people already forgotten that they just released the thunderstorm? Why would they immediately smother it? Just play the maps despite the weather. I can understand night maps, they can be a little meh sometimes.

[unique osprey]

I'm still trying to understand it but I think if you have 2 low ping players the player that killed first would live if the ping is faster than a players reaction time vs if you have high ping you would in theory have a chance to trade

[open carbon]

Sort of, depends on the situation. If player A with 25ms is pushing around a corner where B with 30ms waits, B won't even see A when they die. They only see the barrel at most

[unique osprey]

That is an argument towards peekers advantage which I agree with the video is very minimal/none. I am talking well basic hunt fights where player A looks at player B and B is looking at A such as in a field. A kills first. if B has low ping they just die. if they have high ping they can trade is what I am thinking. Lag compensation is also a thing but I am still learning how it works and affects gameplay

[open carbon]

Aye, bullets don't just disappear when you die. If A shoots first but B manages to shoot before A's bullet hits them, B can still kill A even if B dies first

Higher ping should increase that window I guess

But the window exists the same for A if B shoots first

No matter who's got the high ping

That's how I understand it

[unique osprey]

quite possibly I wish they had shown more high ping vs low ping scenarios with them vice versa

[quick raven]

Currently, my suggestion, a new class of item too control modifiers, is sitting at 9 Ayes, 13 Naes, but a whopping 23 undetermined.

What, especially for those of you who may have voted undetermined, are you unsure about or would make the suggestion better?

Link her reference: #game-ideas message

Besides just "let me exclude all the things that make the game challenging." There's no way I could win anyone over with that opinion, so I won't waste your time. 😂

[open carbon]

we gotta do that ourselves

[quick raven]

I feel like it would take a significantly larger point discrepancy than that, wouldn't it? Unless I'm wrong, 25 vs 30 means you're received your update from the server and it received yours just 10 milliseconds (0.01 seconds) faster, right?

Not denying the difference exists, I'm just saying at such low ping, is the advantage really perceivable?

[open carbon]

Yeah it is bc latency is half ping, and all pings compounded + input/output lag, you'll quickly end up with 100+ms which is very noticeable

[unique osprey]

haha true. What I have seen is that saying it just a ping problem is super oversimplification that I argue is a bad excuse. Ping, lag compensation, and tick rates all play a role in who is at a disadvantage

[open carbon]

In Hunt basic stats only show latency, and that's what I was using in my example

Full ping is only in extended and it's called "RTT" aka Round Trip Time

[open carbon]

Aye as well as input lag etc

[charred yoke]

So do people actually get banned who cheat and or have numerous reports from people for cheating ?

[chilly nova]

Bring back wildcard so I don't have to play rain anymore.

[open carbon]

Friday, probably

[open carbon]

Probably, yeah, we just won't know because they don't release names

[chilly nova]

They should at least notify you that one of your reports led to action, so we'd at least know whether reporting is worth it.

[charred yoke]

apparently not because someone who has a 5.0 kd has so many people reporting him and on his steam and has not been banned.

He using one of those aimhacks that let you hit even if your not aiming at a certain spot.

[open carbon]

I mean, many people reporting isn't definitive proof of cheating, it still could be the one in a million case of a player so good everyone just assumes they cheat

Not accounting for the door thing etc though

Spectate and capture footage though, that's the best proof you can get

[charred yoke]

yea no he isnt good, i watched him a whole match and he was doing stuff amateurs do. He was tracking people through walls. He somehow shot me with a headshot with dual pistols at like 20m while i was running. He shot someone in the head with a body shot .

[unique osprey]

honestly kill cam video of the last 5-10 sec till you got killed from the killers perspective would go a long way towards being able to determine hacks vs skill, kill view is next to useless

[open carbon]

Aye

[charred yoke]

but you are not going to have someone who has a 5.0 kd in hunt, and who plays like they did.

[chilly nova]

the peeker's advantage you guys allow via encouraging cross region play is annoying af

the MMR ranges have been horrendous so far today. what's going on? 2 matches in US-east and both have been teams with higher MMR than us

[quick raven]

Certainly not definitive, but if (like a situation I ran into) you look and the suspicious player has 10 pages of steam comments - all of them calling it out over multiple games..

Well it might not be DEFINITIVE, but it's certainly approaching "beyond a reasonable doubt" 😅

[open carbon]

True

[chilly nova]

lol, wtf is this? i've only had rain maps so far

get rid of this crap

[open carbon]

80% rate still >_>

[quick raven]

I honestly think 60-80 is reasonable for a new mechanic, during the unveiling event.

[chilly nova]

is that a joke? is it actually 80%? what brilliant person decided that as part of standard contract?

[open carbon]

50% would be more than enough IMO

[quick raven]

If its that way a month from now..... yeah, now it's problematic to me

[chilly nova]

i'd take 5%

[quick raven]

Ew

[chilly nova]

or go back to wildcard so i can just never play this horseshit

the product managers should be ashamed of themselves

[open carbon]

I think they did a great job

Just the rate could be lower

[chilly nova]

setting it at 80% when a large percentage of players don't want to play it at all?

yeah, that makes sense

makes me want to not play at all until i have the option to avoid it again

[open carbon]

Wildcards will still be there on weekends, I'm sure

[chilly nova]

i only have time to play a couple times a week. the option to avoid it needs to be there every day of the week

this is just like last time when they did inferno all friday, we said we hated it, and they said "oh, we won't do that next event" but here we are again

[quick raven]

I don't think that's accurate. I think that there are 11k concurrent players, and the ones who are happy are playing. The ones who aren't are here bitching. Its the whole "unhappy people are always the loudest" situation

[chilly nova]

no, the rate needs to be a lot lower

[chilly nova]

yeah, no

[quick raven]

https://tenor.com/view/right-gif-18104024

😅

[chilly nova]

i mean, you literally just spewed a bunch of bs about what you think the playerbase likes

your comment is just as valuable as my nothing comment

rain sucks, a lot of players think so (and a lot don't), and they said they wouldn't force it on us this time

end of story

[quick raven]

In a future state, i how there's some good randomization with all the different times, various weather conditions (from clear to torrential downpour to severe thunderstorm), varying levels of fogginess, etc.

[quick raven]

It's not really aboutthe player base. It's sort of conventional wisdom about people in general. People who are unhappy about something tend to be the most vocal, wanting everyone to be aware of their utter disdain and misery and to rally with others who feel that way.

It's not a comment about this group, it's more a comment that "people are like that, and I don't see any reason to believe the player base is a grand exception."

[chilly nova]

Except I was never talking about who's most vocal, so that's irrelevant

[quick raven]

Sort of

[chilly nova]

If anything, there are way more cry-simps on this discord

Nah, I was talking about the large percentage of players that don't like it, vocal or not

[quick raven]

You were taking about such a "large majority". My point was "I don't think it's a large majority, I think the only ones up here in a fuss are the ones who are unhappy, so that's what you see here - because the other people aren't here bitching to the world about how much they enjoy it."

[chilly nova]

Like i said, you keep bringing up the discord (or "vocal" people)

i've seen plenty of polls on youtube

[quick raven]

Please share,I like to see raw data

[chilly nova]

nah, you find it

[quick raven]

Interesting

[chilly nova]

i'm not gonna search my youtube feed for you

[quick raven]

Fair enough.

[chilly nova]

i already told you i only have a couple nights to play. i feel ashamed having even messaged here for this long

[quick raven]

Could you point me in the direction of these large groups of community members? At least so I know to go searching in the right place?

[open carbon]

Yeah, and people who have an issue are more likely to spend time and effort to go and voice their issues, while the happy players don't as much. Same with reviews etc, it's more likely to get a bad review than a good one except you're specifically asking your happy customers for feedback.

[chilly nova]

not sure. only person i watch anymore is huuge. but i also see rachta and hornet's stuff in my feed, so could have been one of them. don't remember

i think there was one in reddit as well

[trail oasis]

Solo necro is so nice and balanced. Just waited 10min dead while 3 team fighting for the boss then i waked up from dead to backstab the 2 lasting guys trying to res his friend. Skillless mechanic feelsgood ( sarcasm )

[quick raven]

Facts 🤣

[versed ravine]

Speaking of which, i feel like “dead” solos should appear as living players with bounty at least. If ya aint fully dead then you should appear as alive.

Noticed how the bounty is useless at finding “dead” solos waiting to necro

[azure elm]

I mean, you’re the one that died…

[trail oasis]

Solo stuck between trios foght usually endup like that... The fact i can revive when i want just to backstab the winner team and leave with the bounty make me the winner while ive done nothing except shooting peoples in the back when they think i was part of the trio but nope i am a solo jesus XD

I hate necro so much but since everyone defend it ima abuse if it the most i can. I literally never lost a hunter the last week since death cheat solo necro and instinct make me invincible if i play smart

@gaunt lantern i dt agree peoples should not be forced to go extract if they cant stand night or rains theres legit reason to complain for them. For my part i dont really care but i kinda prefer rain and nighttime and would enjoy to have back the wildcard. The ideal would be to choose preference and have an accept or skip option before the game loading so peoples who dislike the condition can skip instead of being forced to extract while they been waitinf 10min for the queue loading and waiting for player process

[azure elm]

And? I really don’t understand what you’re complaining about? You’re given a chance to get back up if you go down, and you’re gonna whine about it? You haven’t lost a hunter all week, and your gonna whine about it? If you don’t like something, you get the choice of using it or not. You don’t have to take necro if you dislike it so much. Sheeeesh.

[trail oasis]

It corrupt the core meaning of the game and render death meaningless. I would be stupid to not have these trait since it make me invincible theres no more build or originality its all about this broken meta. I miss when death was actually mean something and money management also. Now solo can just sit on millions dollars when duo and trio when they die well its over

[quick raven]

Hid whining about it actually shows a little integrity. Which is apparently in short supply here. Lol

Or as the preteens say. Sheeeeeeesh

I can't read the word without picturing it like my 8 yr old and 12 yr old say it 🤣. High pitched and thinking it's hip AF

I would be much less against it if it was a one-time burn trait.

Both solo and group use

[trail oasis]

When we highlight the necro problem its always this kind of discution that we have anyway. Peoples dont like balance peoples like gamebreaking feature and feel powerfull even while being bad

[quick raven]

And I say that as someone who has benefited from it numerous times

[trail oasis]

I literally lost all feeling of stress and hunter mentality. Now i play the game like a cod since theres no punishment

[quick raven]

Understandable. It makes it a little less tactical and more of a power-fantasy

[trail oasis]

Exactly

[azure elm]

I just don’t see it being game breaking. You know it’s in the game. If you don’t play accordingly and you get shot in the back, that’s not anyone’s fault but your own. Burn the body, trap the body, kite a meathead over the body. There are so many ways to counter necro. I’ve had necro come in clutch. I’ve also had it do absolutely nothing because most of the time people know that they could get necro’d and just watch the body. Or have one teammate watch while the other two work on killing the rest of the team or finding something like a lantern or trap to put on the body.

[quick raven]

Sorry my man, but that's a shit argument at its core. "It's in the game." If shitty mechanics are in the game - regardless if it's this or something else - just excusing it by "it's in the game, just fucking deal with it" is not a great argument

I mean, friend WHY it isn't shitty or should be the way it is, that's great and even if I disagree I can speciation and try to understand it. But not the "it's there, so fuck your complaint" type argument

[azure elm]

Okay, well, it’s not shitty because, everyone can get it. It’s only four trait points. It gives solo players an incentive to play because it gives them more chances to live even if that means waiting for everyone to leave. It’s easy as fuck to counter, and there’s so many ways to counter it.

The necro is OP arguement seems only to be, “it’s a shitty mechanic because I can’t beat people who use it”. Or “I’m to impatient”. Not really great arguments either.

[quick raven]

It's not that it's difficult for anyone to beat (at least in groups), it's that dealing with it genuinely creates moments that are just boring and dull.

[raven oak]

Guys at noon on the 26th, ready to accomplice Billy's missionline. I got a reward after completing the second scenario, and then I went offline after receiving the third task. When playing games later, Billy's missionline has disappeared, I wonder if It clear that the end time of entrustment is still 50 days, which is why I cannot find anymore？

Or am I should post this question here in this channel？

[quick raven]

Its super easy to throw a lantern or molotov on you and just watch you burn with our guns pointed at where you're going to stand up if you rez... It's the time wasted just sitting there, drooling, eyes glazing over, half catatonic while we do it (sometimes over and over again if you rez multiple times) that just really translates to a shitty time (again-due to the boredom and dullness of it).

[quick raven]

Probably post in #hunt-general or #game-questions . This channel is specifically discussing feedback and potential suggestions.

You'll get a lot more help there 🙂

[raven oak]

thanks and i will post in that channel😆

[azure elm]

The games can go 45 minutes after all. That argument is just as weak as “it’s in the game, deal with it”. If you’re to impatient to deal with the things that are presented to you in game, then why are you playing a game with matches that have the potential of going 45 minutes?

[brisk timber]

Selfrez is good as an idea
But it was implemented poorly
It should work as a tool to get a second wind or win a trade.

But its beeing used to stand back up 10min later or 4/5 times...
And that creates another problem - its really throws beginners off hard and is nearly useless against experienced players. Pair that with the MMR reduction of solos vs trios and you have a recipe for a bad experience.

Self revive still needs a rework.
The necro 1 time use burn idea is really good for self revive aswell.

[quick raven]

Because those 45 minutes are spent actively engaging with the game, accomplishing something, advancing goals, interactions, etc. For the time you sit there stairing at someone and waiting, you're not "engaged," you're just sitting there "wondering if hopefully maybe possibly you might get to play the game at some point"... or if you're just wasting moments of your life that could otherwise be spent playing the game.

Therein lies the difference between good mechanics, and shitty mechanics.

To put it more crassly, I could sit there, stare at it and try to quickly rub one out while I waited, because your'e not actually doing anything... That's not playing the game.

[quick raven]

That's a succinct wording of the problem statement. "It's a good idea; it's poorly implemented."

I don't think anyone (and please feel free to search and correct me) has complained that a solo shouldn't be able to self-rez to compensate a bit for the difficulty. It's the mind-numbing nonsensical implementation of it.

[brisk timber]

Hm i think thats a bit harsh
I think burning people out is a cool mechanic at its core.
In teams atleast it adds to the experience and pressure. One man keepin an eye on the solo while the other searching a latern is also tense sometimes. Even more so when you know others are around. I like it.

It would feel way better tho if the solo couldnt skip latern burn time and revive so often. Thats the real time sink.

Same as resilience buff and relentless trait. It just prolongs fights and dont reward kills.

[quick raven]

That last part is what I'm referring to.
Finding the lantern is just step one... now you have to stare and wonder if he's going to keep popping back up or die. That's the mind-numbing part of it.

[brisk timber]

Yea the burning part should be way more reliable

[quick raven]

Like at the point I've tossed a lantern, the only thing I can do - and this is the key - sit there, stuck-on-stupid and just stare and wait for it to happen.

[brisk timber]

Salveskin sucks in that regard adwell

[quick raven]

🤣 PTSD activates

And I think the worst thing about sitting there and staring, is that at the point you've tossed the lantern, there really is zero question about how it's going to turn out. As the solo, you know you're dead. You're burning, your health is ticking, you're at gunpoint, you're getting dropped the instant you stand up, right back into the fire, etc.

So at that point, it's jsut flat-out a disrespectful "fuck you" to the other players' time.

[azure elm]

That’s laughable. You know those 45 minutes aren’t filled with constant and active engagement. Half the game is mind numbing. Waiting for boss to banish, running cross country to boss/extract, stalemates. Finding clues is more mundane than waiting for a solo to burn out. The argument you’re making is, “I’m impatient, change the game”.

[quick raven]

Those 45 minute are a constant activity - it's laughable to pretend otherwise.
You're picking up clues, you're running to clues, you're picking up items, you're shooting at things, you're sneaking up on things, you're dropping people, you're trying to avoid getting dropped, you're banishing, you're extracting, you're looting, you're doing every other thing the game allows you to do.

If there was a picture next to the word "active" in any dictionary, it very well might be those things.

https://tenor.com/view/poking-hey-you-pay-attention-to-me-annoying-cat-gif-13795678

Meanwhile, THAT'S how your time is spent waiting for the self-rez.

They could almost call time-of-death.

[brisk timber]

I feel like if you have a body burned or trapped that should be it for the solo.

The way those things getting circumvented by other trait buffs is a bit annoying and i say that as a solo enjoyer.

I would rather take a 5sec one time revive and get stripped of all those resilience buffs and shit.

[quick raven]

(on an aside, the word "catatonic" has great GIFs.)

[brisk timber]

If people manage to trap and burn me i should lose. Deserved.

[quick raven]

I'd be good with that even, actually... "can't self rez while on fire."

Then, if you as the player choose to stand over the body, it's actually a choice. it's not because you're being forced to because they can just stand up and shoot you before you make it quarter-step.

[brisk timber]

Then we can maybe finally turn the 10sec timer back down.

[quick raven]

For sure.

[brisk timber]

The inferno 4sec revive was hella fun!

You actually had people standing up again really fast and fighting for their lifes

After 10 sec every gun around is pointing at you anyway

[quick raven]

🤣 yep

Especially after you pop up the first time. "Yep, he's one of those solo players" 🤣

[brisk timber]

Today i tried self rez again as solo in 5*

No chance

Hell would be even funny if you had insta rez option but without guns equipped

[quick raven]

Another thing that might be interesting, is if you could rez (even after being burnt) but there was a full on 60s before you could activate the necro.
Reason I say this, I think we all agree, the reason we camp solo bodies is because if we don't, even after 10 seconds, we're right there and you're going to shoot us in the back of the neck.
If it had like a 60s timer, some would still sit there and camp you, but I think a lot of players would accept that as "Okay, fuck 'em, I have time to get away. He's someone else's problem now."

Especially if we could just steal your gun 🤣

Happy robbin' on your way to extraction.

I haven't thought it fully through, but it accomplishes the need of allowing the rez, and stops the need to go into a coma staring at the screen waiting for it

[brisk timber]

I think the 60sec would lead to people not burning corpses and just wait it out. I dont think thats really the better option tho

[quick raven]

Think so?

[brisk timber]

Yea i like the gameplay element because its a skillcheck

[quick raven]

I mean, we'd still have to wait 1 minute, 2 minute, 20 minutes...

[brisk timber]

And it can lead to tense situation

[quick raven]

Fair 'nuff

[brisk timber]

But yea. One time use of revive would be fine.

When you kill the solo another time because he stands up from fire than you atleast know hes gone for good.

I think the necro trait burn is excellent

I would love that even for teams

The necro spam annoys me soooo much

[quick raven]

Oh absolutely - the team necro needs to burn too

[azure elm]

Yeah, running. Running to clues, running to boss, running to extract, running after bounty, running for event altars. Thats as mind numbing as “stuck on stupid” waiting for a body to burn. It takes what, 120 seconds to burn IF the hunter has 150 health which is likely not going to happen because, well, solo. So even less than that, we’ll say 100 seconds. That’s if they had a small bar up front. Even less if they had a big bar up front. 80-100 seconds is mind numbing and boring? How is it even possible to play Hunt and be so turned off by 90 seconds. You already have to wait 2 1/2 minutes to even get a bounty token! It’s an absurd, baseless argument.

[quick raven]

Running = active.
Standing around with thumb up ass = inactive.

I really don't know how much simpler a picture I can draw.

[brisk timber]

Do you argue waiting for the burn out is a fun experience and engaging. I wouldnt call it mind numbing but it for sure isnt the pinaccle of hunt.

[quick raven]

Not only that, but looking at the general concept - Running to those things is "trying to engage". Standing with thumb up ass is "waiting and hoping to eventually BE engaged."

[brisk timber]

I like the mechanic aswell but sometimes it can be a drag even moreso with salveskin. But im usually not very bothered by waiting this minute yea

[azure elm]

I don’t think it’s boring. If I was in a gunfight, and there was any sound, there could be two teams waiting for me to pop out while I wait for the body to burn. I’m on my toes and alert. I’m looking for trait charms, hunt dollars, envelopes, looking out for enemies.

[quick raven]

To be fair, for a solo it probably is a bit more tense. For a group it is genuinely mind-numbing. Because how does it play out? 1-2 players stand there staring, playing tiddlywinks, trying not to drool on themselves, while the one remaining player goes and grabs the lantern. There really isn't any tension to that.

[brisk timber]

Yea i think its a bit subjective and what you fo with that time

[quick raven]

I mean, with solo, at least you have those brief moments where you're not looking or you're switching from gun to lantern, etc. With a team, you don't even have that "will he time it perfect?" moment

[brisk timber]

Im in general no fan of solos in trios
If it was me i would seperate trios hard from any duo/solo.

[quick raven]

I can see the argument, but I'd say trio/duo separate from solo. Just because "solo" is where the difference in mechanics is.

Not just in the Necro trait, but in the revive mechanic as a whole.

[brisk timber]

You cant let solos only play with other solos. They tried. It was miserable 😄

[quick raven]

Oh 🤣

Everyone sitting in bushes, waiting?

[brisk timber]

Correct

[quick raven]

Yep - sounds a lot like solo-rez.

😛

Only more extended 🤣

Honestly, that's why I don't want to go to 5* or 6*

(especially 6)

I don't remember if it was here or someone in my squad, but a phrase stuck with me. "You almost have to stop having fun to play 6*" And that genuinely sounds right to me.

[brisk timber]

5* is fun
I feel like camping is more prevalent in upper 3 to 4
Because people are scared

In 5 you have people play but ofc flankin and ambushing often with rifles. So people tend to mistake this as bushcamping and get salty

6 just is no fun because there you meet the esports kinda fps players with hardcore headshot rates and low reaction times. Aswell as maaany sus accs probably cheatin

[azure elm]

If you play the game, use your resources, you don’t have to be staring with your thumb up your ass waiting. If you’re not a great player, then maybe. But otherwise throw down a bear trap and listen for the smack. Throw down conk and listen for them to trigger it. It’s not that hard. It’s not hard at all, in fact.

[quick raven]

Exactly that! I don't want that super, sweaty "everyone runs the same basic strategy because technically it's the most effective" situations.

Or "everyone's so damned good that no one wants to risk anything" situations

[quick raven]

To be clear, no one questioned the "difficulty" of responding to self-rez.

[brisk timber]

Tbf there are many players out there that think anything than shift+w with a shotgun is already boring camping beeing scared. Which is just not true

[quick raven]

I think people are talking about the boring, dull, monotonous, droll, melancholic, apathetic aspect of it.

[quick raven]

Oh yeah, that's just nonsense too.

That's opposite but equally bad, IMO.

[azure elm]

Fair enough. You didn’t say it was hard. But it doesn’t have to be boring either. You just make it that way because you’re too impatient. There are all of these ways to move past it quickly and yet they all still suck and it’s a shitty mechanic.

[quick raven]

I am all for people sniping. I'm all for people ambushing and playing to their strength. What I'm against is just being left looking like John Travolta the whole match.

[brisk timber]

Today i had a solo that we killed on a roof in plain sight.
He stood up we killed.
I conc bombed. He stood up he died.
We burned. He stood up again. Needed to shoot because hes previous revive left a hole in the conc.

I think then he was done.

Thats the part people rightfully think is lame.

[quick raven]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

Damn you, I tried to time that

🤣

[quick raven]

This is exactly the part that people think is lame.

Particularly because I'm willing to bet my car and my house that no one in that situation, including the dead guy, actually expected to pull it off after being put back down the first time. It was just an exercise in futility. A way to deliberately just waste your time because you killed him.

[azure elm]

You choose to stay and suck on your thumb tho.

[quick raven]

No, it's because 10 seconds - even if we decide not to loot anything - is really not enough time to get far enough away that you can't just shoot us in the neck while we're running away.

[azure elm]

Place a bear trap, burn, wait 15 seconds and then leave. By the time they res you’re either still right in front of them and can shoot them back down or they’ve burned a bar or two and they stand into a trap.

[quick raven]

We're basically in this spot:

1. Camp the body
2. Let him kill you for free.

[azure elm]

Then they’re dead.

That is the most extreme scenario…

[quick raven]

And what I said is, unfortunately, the most common scenario.

[brisk timber]

With resilience buff and multiple revives this unfortunately is still a survivable case

[azure elm]

I’ve NEVER had a problem like that.

[quick raven]

Salveskin, resilience, doctor... shit they're ready to go.

[azure elm]

Not if you burn?

[brisk timber]

Leaving is hardly an option i wanna say

[azure elm]

It’s also a bit on you if you’re not able to beat the solo that is down two or three bars…

[brisk timber]

We didnt even talk about the multiple revives beeing abused to decrease MMR and stomp lower lobbies.

Another point to get rid of revive spam

[quick raven]

Oh, that's nasty

[quick raven]

I feel like we hashed out the "difficulty" part of this

[brisk timber]

Im 99% of the time the solo myselfe tho.
I think revive is even underpowered as it is.
The multi revives + relentless + resilience + salveskin.
Its all this shit that makes the revive a annoying experience.

For everyone involved.

Its not difficult to shit it down

But its like...

This is how shutting down solo revive feels

[quick raven]

Maaaajor style points for the Sisyphos reference.

[azure elm]

Then move on if it’s not that hard…Why complain if it’s not hard for you to deal with.

[brisk timber]

🤔

[quick raven]

https://tenor.com/view/its-groundhog-day-again-reporting-news-bill-murray-groundhog-day-gif-10873928

[brisk timber]

its like if we say a you sayin b
Then we argue about b then you go back to a again

[azure elm]

But @brisk timber already pointed this out, it’s subjective what you do with that time.

[quick raven]

I'll let him clarify what he said, but I think that's a bit of a misquote.

[azure elm]

“Yea i think its a bit subjective and what you fo with that time”.

[quick raven]

I'm pretty sure the subjective was in reference to the fact I characterize it as dull, boring, drool-inducing cerebral-suicide

Because he clarified that he viewed it as having some tense moments

But equally broken nonetheless

[azure elm]

Okay…either way, it is up to you in the end how you play it.

[brisk timber]

I just wish for it to be faster paced and the shutdown would be more imminent.

All this wiggle around waiting 10sec here 10sec there wait to burn oh he stands up oh hes down and back up lets leave no hes bsck up....

You see what im getting at i think

[quick raven]

On a separate, related note @brisk timber ... if the decision was made to make Necro a one-time burn trait, is there a place in the game for a trait that basically puts a choke cloud around you? In duo/trio, it's fairly common to choke bomb your team-mate to prevent the burn... This, I think could create interesting moments? Useful for both groups and solos, but especially to try and secure your solo rez.

[azure elm]

How is it so slow that it’s this big of an issue that the community can’t go 10 minutes without hearing complaints. It takes longer to get a bounty token, you know, the objective of the game, than it does to burn a solo.

[brisk timber]

Hm i think those stuff shouldnt be made to complicating chain negating effects of things can make things a chore.
Like you already see how solo revive does that.

[quick raven]

Fair

[brisk timber]

Now imagine bringing a liquid fire and the solo farts it out

[quick raven]

But... I even thought of the name.... "Stinkbug"

[brisk timber]

Alrite its getting late...early...and my english starts sounding weird.
Good night fellas o/

[quick raven]

Good night!!

[trail oasis]

@brisk timber totslly agree with instinct. Huge qol improvement since they added it. But maybe a tiny bit too big of a radius. Would lower it to 50m and definatly add it to normal darksight. No one have fun to get surprised by a bushwarrior tbh

[tribal wyvern]

This would destroy the entire point of playing the game.
Who cares on birds, dog cages, using melee just shoot everything. Oh someone camps me? Let me use my darksight.

This idea will never see the day of light.

[trail oasis]

All you said was for far distance. 50m is literally clue and event thing radius. 75m is too big i do think

[tribal wyvern]

no

thats 25

or 30 even

Clue is 30

[trail oasis]

Idk i feel its 50 i never read about it

But it should be same radius

[tribal wyvern]

There was a time not even the clue went red or the boss.
And boss going red is 50m from its spawn position, IE not building, which is why you can go halfway into Wolfshead before it goes red.

But there should be no basic way to always know if people are near you.
The point is to try to avoid the sound traps as much as possible, use your most silent ways to take down the AI.
That some streamers decides to shoot everything is up to them. But that should not be the norm of the game. It would ruin the entire game & make it Call of Duty. Might aswell go play that.

Plan your ways to the boss lairs & compounds, be quiet & you won't get camped.

[trail oasis]

Peoples especially on duo dt even. Look if theres peoples around they just camp untill peoples show up. Nothing about the sound at this point

[tribal wyvern]

You talking bosslair?

[trail oasis]

Yep

[tribal wyvern]

Use the beetle to scout out buildings

But even then, your idea won't solve the camping.

You might not die to said camper, but it won't be less of it

[wind stream]

nothing is more annoying than 2 instinct teams trying to find the other while avoiding making sound

with instinct the amount of camping standoffs actually increased for me

and if you have 2 players with instinct it becomes so easy to triangulate that its super busted too

[tribal wyvern]

Thats true aswell, team inside a building with instinct (not bounty team) won't go out because they know people are near, the teams outside knows theres teams in one of the buildings, so they don't push either.
The bounty team just hope the 9 people near eachother eventually finds eachother 😄

[rotund obsidian]

instinct is just especially problematic with visibility-impairing conditions, since it'll go off and everyone will just hunker down in a building or a bush until they figure out which direction it's triggering from

im at a point where i'll just shoot in the air after a minute of the instinct standoff

[lunar kettle]

It helps me a lot to engage any team so far. If they camp I can easily spot them. Then I can decide: Do i engage that sitting team or just leave.

It was never as easy as it is rn and I don't have to run unprepared into campers anymore. Thats kinda awesome.

[dusky tapir]

There's no way to hear/feel red clues in darksight - I'd like them to tie instinct to that at the very least

[azure elm]

Sheesh it certainly doesn’t feel like it. Mostly I meant things like hives and grunts.

[rotund obsidian]

@dusky tapir #game-ideas message I like the idea, but I wouldn't even tie it to a certain damage threshold. Every hit you take could just add x amount of stamina. sure you could get a heavy melee out every time you get hit, but I think that seems like a fine tradeoff. Conduit needs to be dethroned, either via nerf or by buffing the other stamina-related traits.

[dusky tapir]

Good point, I'm mostly worried about scenarios where e.g. I get tagged in the arm by a silenced nagant at a distance for like 30 damage

I don't think that should trigger Adrenaline per se - but if a Mosin lands 130 damage, or if I get hit by a conversion pistol for 100... it's time for me to get the fuck out

ideally if enemies keep chipping your health away you'd reach the "critical" treshold

[rotund obsidian]

I disagree, I think even a grunt lovetap for like 15 damage should trigger it. I suppose the amount of stamina you get back could be tied to the damage taken? I don't think 1:1% is unreasonable tbh, if i get shot in the ass with a mosin I think a full melee and running stam refill is perfectly fine.

I don't like the idea of giving the stamshot effect though, I feel it's both overtuned and overused.

[dusky tapir]

yeah

hence why I suggested adding some stamina instead of full blown stam shot

what I'd see happen is - you have the "lungs" icon from being tired, you get tagged by a mosin - you get enough stamina added for 1 second's worth of full sprint, and something like one quarter of the melee stamina bar ( to get a melee in at least )

stam shot effect refills both pools + prevents drain, it's a bit crazy

though if you want to simplify it for the player's sake

you could give 3-5 seconds of stam shot effect?

(although I think that fills both pools on trigger)

[rotund obsidian]

It'd be nice but i don't see why you'd even stop that early, instant full stamina on taking 136 damage is perfectly reasonable

[dusky tapir]

true, I'm being perhaps a bit too careful

[rotund obsidian]

adrenaline has been an absolute shit-tier perk for too long, the ONLY use i could see is a melee slaughter after getting necro'd or self-necro, but at that point conduit still does a much better job

[dusky tapir]

oh and yeah also got to factor cost in. Lower / mid tier effect is fine for a 2 point perk ( I don't think it should stay at 1 if it gets buffed to trigger reliably )

[rotund obsidian]

stam on every hit would probably be 2 point tbh, but i'd gladly pay 1 extra point for a perk that isn't absolutely horrendous

[dusky tapir]

yeah it's honestly way too niche and competes with kiteskin and dauntless

[rotund obsidian]

I'd rather take poacher over adrenaline, and I don't even take traps.

[dusky tapir]

poacher can come perfectly clutch if trying to breach a compound - I agree with you

bear traps are so loud when disengaged

[unborn smelt]

@dusky tapir Adrenaline has a mid combat use... Its main use is supposed to be mid combat in fact.

Basically the moment you reach critical health (<50 HP) you continuously regenerate stamina

That critical health part works just fine mid combat - for ecample when tagged by long ammo

The issue is the stamina is useless mid combat

[dusky tapir]

I feel like even in its current state the stamina regen doesn't trigger enough

couple that with the resilience anti synergy and yeah...

it's not attractive imo

[hot vigil]

@brisk timber Instinct is fundamentally broken and it promotes some very boring and unhealthy game-states.
The biggeest sinner is that it have removed any possibility for pushing bosslairs during banishment and it is not fun to be in the bosslair and just sit in a safe corner and holding down the Dark Sight key, until the boss have banished.

[unborn smelt]

It sure isn't attractive - but i don't think the reason is that it triggers too rarely

[dusky tapir]

ftr the treshold I am thinking of is something in the 70-80 damage ballpark ( where most 2shot mid/compact weapons would give you a chance to sprint to cover if positioning allows )

[unborn smelt]

It triggers on pretty much any bodyshot by a large caliber rifle

The issue is of what use is that stamina at that point?

[hot vigil]

Could just convert a % of damage taken into stamina.

[dusky tapir]

good point, but a lot of other options could cause a lot of grief. I'm thinking it might just be too niche to feel like a good/great perk?

[unborn smelt]

If you get hit big time you get in cover and heal usually - not start meleeing stuff

[dusky tapir]

for ex you could give regeneration shot effect but in combat that'd become OP instead

[hot vigil]

RN adrenalin is strongest for solos. They can revive with the boost on demand

[dusky tapir]

necro without resilience as a solo sounds rather uncommon

[unborn smelt]

Sure but once the event is over they'll have lost HP which is an absolutely masdive downside

[hot vigil]

Ah, not saying it is broken, just the most powerful :v

[unborn smelt]

Meh

I think a regular use of it without the looming doom of lost HP is more powerful

Still quite weak tho...

[hot vigil]

For sure

[unborn smelt]

Smth i'd find interesting is if it's active as long as you have lost HP

[hot vigil]

Again, wouldn't mind if the trait just converted a very low % of damage taken (from hunters only?) into stamina.

[unborn smelt]

It's on one hand unlimited stamina - but on the other hand you need to be at risk of instant death to benefit from it

[dusky tapir]

I'd really like to be able to run from hellhounds too

[hot vigil]

Yeah that was also my thought that it would just mean peopel might try to face-tank bosses and what not

[queen jungle]

@coarse breach Your post in #feedback is a suggestion and should be posted in #game-ideas instead (and with a little more detailed description )

[trim helm]

i got now 5 times in a row rain, nice crytek pls fix that shit!

[coarse breach]

Was unsure since it could be either way since it is a feed back on the fact that the intro messages are just repetitive after some point but shure i'll place it there thanks

[tribal wyvern]

Fix what? You get an event weather during an event O.o

[crystal plume]

Also FYI you can just skip all of the intro stuff by pressing ESC

[coarse breach]

yeah but it takes time loading which is even more hilarious if it also stutters and gets blocked on some random fadeaway XD

[flat sandal]

Aww, no controversial topic going? How am I gonna Pass the time then?

[coarse breach]

Also things like the warning screens or company logos aren't

[wind stream]

we need more uppercut skins

so you agree?

[queen jungle]

Well, the intro sequence is used by the game to load stuff, which is why skipping may cause some stuttering or lags until everything is loaded up

[open carbon]

How about you spend the time.... gitting gud

Honestly, I was thinking the same though xD

Haven't downvoted a single idea yet

Can't let that fly, someone make a crap suggestion pls

[flat sandal]

Yes, more skins, ban reshade, ping abuse and cheaters are a massive issue, avto op, severs suck, BB economy changes too, also what about all this rain? Crytek I demand all this to be fixes asap.

Did I forget something?

Oh mmr lol

[wind stream]

dont forget quickswap

[open carbon]

Necro

[flat sandal]

True I could downvote some stuff 😄

Oh yeah redskull

[wind stream]

special ammo

rain

MMR

[flat sandal]

I had the rain but ammo for sure

Covered

[open carbon]

Anybody fix long ammo yet? Make it not meta? :P

[flat sandal]

Idk why but it never felt meta to me. I believe that it is though.

But quite situational, no?

Probs the shotgunners out of their comfort zone speaking 😉

[brisk timber]

I dont know what to tell you - my games have been better since instinct. Maybe some people playstyle way more relies on surprising and killing unsuspecting enemys at closer range and yea that get shut down pretty much.

I agree tho that the range can be tweaked maybe.

But fundamentaly broken i can just not agree with.

[open carbon]

Probably xD

[brisk timber]

Well instinct is in game right now and everyone is playing it perfectly fine. Cues going off is something that still visible/hearable for long ranges and crucial to avoid.

Oh somone camps me let me use instinct
Is actually awesome!
The time that somebody just sitting in a bush doing nothing and having the complete advantage of sound cues now can be atleast be mitigated a bit.

[hot vigil]

I feel like if it breaks one the most essential aspects of the game, sound awareness, it is fundamentally broken.
The trait, negates any stealth elements, bc it is so free to use. If you are in doubt, press E, even if you are not, press E!
Sometimes when you stealth around you might trigger a little sound and both parties now have to the back and forth to verify that either parties actually is there.
But not with Instinct, you press E and instantly you know!
Still it is with the bounty banishment it hurts the most, holding down E for 3 min is not fun and knowing that you can't push bc of that ain't fun.
And you cannot tweak the range really, if the range is shorter it just makes it more precise in locating enemy Hunters.

[little jackal]

might as well just delete sound cues from the game if it's something that needs mitigation

[brisk timber]

With instinct you can triangulate a camper down while still put yourselfe at some risk because you have to move. The camper may even try to hit and give away his pos. Its is atleast a proactive mechanic and it gets the game going.
If both people have instinct are afraid to move thats on them - probably lower mmr. I always experience the complete opposite in 5*.

[open carbon]

I also think Instinct makes stealth, a core mechanic of the game, almost useless

[brisk timber]

Bullshit. It doesnt make sound cues obsolete. Crows and horse still hearable way further than 75m.
And even in instinct you use sound to get to the target or hear what they do or where they move.

[open carbon]

It also itroduces a new type of camping like McCree said, the type of "sitting in a corner and holding E, waiting for enemies to show up"

[hot vigil]

That is not the sound cues I'm talking about. I thinking the sneaking across glass, walking into chains and pottery and such.
I've had plenty of sessions where I think I MIGHT have heard a hunter near me, but is unsure, Instinct takes that guess work away completely.
Why bother trying to sneak up on anyone? If they are somewhat competent players they'll tap E every now and then.

[brisk timber]

If the range of instinct is reduced to like 50m you can still perfectly fine set up ambushes with any rifle or pistol. If you are some dude that likes to sit in a bush with shotgun and need to surprise kill unsuspecting victims - yea get lost tbh.

I dont like this kind of "StEaLTh"

And even then still nobody runs around with darksight up constantly.

[open carbon]

What about Saber gang though? I regularly sneak into enemies doing things and E would give me away any time no matter how perfectly I snuck up to them

[open carbon]

That only one kind of stealth, out of many

[brisk timber]

Yea tbh dont care about them.

[open carbon]

Not constantly, but using it in bursts every 20-30 seconds or more often even

[open carbon]

Yeah your opinion is worthless then because you only think of yourself and not the game as a whole

Egoism, yea get lost tbh

[brisk timber]

Lol? Im a individual with an opinion. If thats egoism we all are.

I think of the game as a whole and i like this shift in gameplay away from a unpredictable meta to a more predictable. If that means some players playstyles gets harder to pull off than in this case im okay with it. Change hardly please everyone.

[hot vigil]

I'm talking about sneaking around a compound to ambush the bounty team.
But guess fuck shotguns I am right? :)

[flat sandal]

Instinct messes with the game too much imo

[open carbon]

It's egoism to not care about anything else than your POV

[open carbon]

My point

[brisk timber]

Just because i dont agree and dont care im not egoistic jesus

Cant have an opinion anymore i guess

[little carbon]

Why can't you push? Can you only kill unsuspecting players?

In the end you can still have the same fight with or without the enemy knowing you are there.

[brisk timber]

I dont know this arguments are so strange to me. I can hardly sneak walk up to anyone if it isnt a 3* lobby

This gets shut down even without instinct pretty quickly anyway

[hot vigil]

Well, sure, I do that sometimes, other times I sneak, sometimes I ambush, Hunt is a dynamic game like that.
Instinct subtract from that dynamic.

[open carbon]

I apologize, I was out of line

[flat sandal]

You can sneak up to a degree, its a still and pretty unique in hunt

[open carbon]

Sneaking up into a 5m radius and then pushing with sabers works in 5*~6* just as well, Instinct totally breaks that though especially in the sweatier lobbies

[little carbon]

That as well. You can hear people crouching up the lair anyways.

And you can still apply stealth tactics even when an opponent knows you are there by depriving them from other information. Rotate fast and peek quick. Just because they know you are there doesn't mean they know where you are.
This dynamic works a lot better because it rewards the more active team that sufficiently keeps up pressure, whereas traditional stealth rewards people for being less active

[trim helm]

then make it with Spezial ..not on the normal

[open carbon]

I only can speak for myself here, but I feel blind without Instinct. And that should not be the case, it's way too easy of a mechanic to rely on and it trivialises core mechanics

[brisk timber]

Exactly. Im for one am glad that active players have a tool now.

Its a cat and mouse game now.

[flat sandal]

It jumped straight into meta, that can't be good

[open carbon]

Felt like it was before instinct, too

I mean, playing Tom & Jerry is one of the most fun moments I had xD

[little carbon]

Even if we consider the crouchy stealth to be a good aspect of the game, which is quite debatable, you still gain more by having instinct in than loosing with it

[hot vigil]

Had a game today where we were approaching the boss lair and I thought I heard something behind us (a grunt made some funky sounds) and I just instantly pressed E and saw my Instinct flared up. It gave us the advantage to get into position for an ambush instantly and we wiped the enemy team.

[brisk timber]

Sounds like a good addition to the game 👍

[hot vigil]

Its an ebb and flow, sometimes games becomes wild gunfights, other times it slows down and people uses eyes and ears to get a lay of the land.

[open carbon]

I don't know why the "i don't care" statement got me worked up just then.. But I feel like.. yknow.. Care more pls? :D

[little carbon]

I'd rather have people that hear another team go and try to attack them instead of trying to crouch in the next compound they go to.

[hot vigil]

Sounds like you want to play a differnt game.

[little carbon]

You still use your eyes and ears. They give you so much information about enemy movements and actions.

[open carbon]

If I play with my cousin, you'll have no time to stop him from throwing a frag in the direction of the noise xD

[hot vigil]

Ofc, but still feel like Hunt is not only constant action.

[flat sandal]

I mean, Cmon, it's hella op af 😄

[hot vigil]

Well, that would have been bad bc it was triggering at the edge of the instinct, so he wouldn'h have hit :V

[brisk timber]

Maybe a bit different yea. The "who moves first loses" meta of hunt was never to my liking. Dont get me wrong i still like to be quite and move like a panther - but i like to move. Be active. Hunt boss AND people down. Instinct gives me a tool for that.

[open carbon]

This is the big thing though, isn't it? When Instinct released, I really celebrated it, and I still can't go without as long as there's the option to get it. I really really hope after the event it'll be gone again so I can get used to the blindness again

[open carbon]

Doesn't matter, he wants to let possible enemies know we're not screwing around. We pick up their scent and hunt them

[little jackal]

This meta has never been a thing. It's the quality of moves that matters. Instinct just lowers the skill ceiling.

[hot vigil]

Yes, I do not think Hunt excel when people just set up a tent and hopes that someones happens by.
But it does feel great to hear/see someone in the distance, anticipate their movement and set up an ambush.
Issue is those people on the reciving end doesn't know if I sat there for 1 minute or 10 minutes.

[open carbon]

I can get behind that, I like to move too and I want others to stay mobile too.

[little carbon]

Action == activeness. Not every moment should be a rapid gunfight, but every moment should be part of a play and be something that you actively do.
Because in that moment you achieve a gameplay loop in which the team that is most efficient in their actions, meaning most skilled, will win. And also games will have a natural tendency to progress since doing nothing is wasting action efficiency.

On a basic level this means making sure the team that initiates more plays (and executes them), wins.

[hot vigil]

Basically only run Primal Hunters bc of Instinct, it is free information.
Even the damn bug puts you out of commission for a while.
Another strong thing about Instinct, it can tell you if you killed the last guy of a team or not (+/- team-mates that just runs away).

[quick raven]

They desperately need a better way for new players to learn how the noise carries (i.e. his far noise carries, etc) that would help new players without relying on instinct

[open carbon]

Interesting take, I kind of want that to be true and Instinct addicts just would have to git gudder xD I don't think it's that simple though

[hot vigil]

And I would say that Instinct is not a skill check, but a free information tool.
It lessen skillful play.
But I agree, with your correction of action == active.

[unborn smelt]

Well they aren't entirely wrong...

Moving first has a tendency to loose you fights, because it usually means you run out of ressources like heals or consumables faster, and holfing angles is very powerful

[flat sandal]

Yeah no, sry. Instinct gotta go

[unborn smelt]

However that doesn't mean people just camp the same spot for ages or that this "camping" is the Meta either

[little carbon]

Not quite. Passive strategies have a higher winning efficiency.

[quick raven]

And the whole "you'll start to understand the have after 75,469 hours" mentality is, imo a fundamentally bad thing.

[unborn smelt]

No they don't

[brisk timber]

That last point another good change! I love it. Finally i can move and be sure. No more getting hs because i think fight is over and a dude sitting 10min crouched in corner pops up!

[unborn smelt]

Reactive ones

[open carbon]

Funny, they hid the pvp challenges' progress ingame to avoid just that

[unborn smelt]

Being very proactive looses you games - as does being very passive because moving is kinda powerful

[hot vigil]

Yeah I can get that notion, but dunno man, it is a nature of Hunt, a certain uncertainty you should always play around.

[open carbon]

Would be even better if it worked on solos that still were able to res

[unborn smelt]

What wins games is moving enough to stay in effective positions without overcomitting

[brisk timber]

Thats exactly the right wording.

I love that instinct gives pro active players a way to be on paar witv reactive ones.

[unborn smelt]

I don't agree with that however...

[brisk timber]

[unborn smelt]

Instinct is imo too powerful the way it works

It's basically a must have during the event and thats smth i dislike in general

[hot vigil]

It is a balance of move fast/move silently.
Which is really cool in my opinion.
Moving up to a compound using gun shots masking your movement feels satisfying.
But doesn't matter with Instinct.

[little carbon]

Gamedev wise reactive belongs to the group of passive playstyles, since you don't want to initiate. Typically something you want to avoid in a game because it means that you have an akward situation in which no one wants to make the first move since reacting is better

[open carbon]

This

The problem is, it's indispensable rn

[brisk timber]

The topic was about having it as a basic dark sight feature aftrr event tho

[unborn smelt]

I don't think thats smth that is bad design

[brisk timber]

So everyone has it

[quick raven]

Should it though? If we're actually after a tactical experience, shouldn't it be balanced towards reactive? I mean ultimately reactive play wins because it tends to be tactically superior: changing to the conditions of the engagement and enemy activity.

Or am I misunderstanding?

[flat sandal]

What are we even talking about? Its has to go 😄

[open carbon]

You're right about the advantages of reactive plays. I don't think you're right about everyone wanting reactive plays though ^^

[unborn smelt]

I think instinct can stay - but i'd want it to be a symetrical effect.

Like the red clues

[brisk timber]

Instinct doesnt pin point people down so you still have to actively search the inactive reactive player. But atleast you have a tool to do so.

[hot vigil]

Also to anyone saying they need Instinct for stalemates where people are just sitting in corners doing nothing.
Please use decoys for once in your life!

[little carbon]

Just make it basekit

[unborn smelt]

So both parties know someone is close by

[little carbon]

If a party doesn't check it's their fault

[open carbon]

Oh, you mean like, if your enemy has it, you get it too automatically or how do you think that should work?

[flat sandal]

Seriously, if you could add something to the game it would be that? Everyone knows if ppl are within 75m? Surely not.

[brisk timber]

Basically like its a dark sight feature by default. No trait.

[quick raven]

I don't think everyone wants that, but I think playing proactive is a choice. Much like running naked in dark souls. It's your choice, and you're deliberately making it hard on yourself. It shouldn't be balanced to make that that easier, should it?

[hot vigil]

Dunno, they did boost solo players quite a lot

[open carbon]

Not enough tho :P

[quick raven]

True

Not Mykl

Lol

😋

[open carbon]

:P

[brisk timber]

Playing active is a meme to you? XD
I dont know. Some hrs ago you said watching people burn is dull because its inactive.
You can apply that logic to instinct. Its an tool supporting active play.

[unborn smelt]

The exact way is up for debate imo

I just think both parties shoulf get a heads up that someones nearby

[open carbon]

I dunno, I think clues going red are already there and serve that purpose

[open carbon]

That for sure, either both parties or none

[little carbon]

It is something you are taught to avoid. I'm specific types of games at least. Singleplayer for example has no issue with passive playstyles because the burden of initiating can be put on the AI. XCOM is a great example for a reactive singleplayer game.

The issue mostly arises in competitive Multiplayer like Hunt. Everyone wants to play the best they can. This leads to the stagnation i described

[hot vigil]

Man I cannot wait for the new mode to release, then we don't need to have these silly discussions

[quick raven]

That's why I wanted clarification. Active play to me is more just brainless charging into compounds expecting your superior mouse controls and reaction time to win the battle more than planned play