feedback-discussion

[zinc solstice]

especially within a videogame where searching by keywords is common

[unique osprey]

XD hunts search bar is laugh able for half of the stuff. I agree the full variants shouldn't be overshadowed by the smaller variants. it would be a minor buff

[zinc solstice]

a buff they dont need

its just buffing for the sake of buffing

[unique osprey]

when was the last time you saw a obrez drum?

[unborn dagger]

They kinda do, the sway they have is pretty bad

[zinc solstice]

i used it last time i played

anyone competent can handle the change in the sway anyways, that sway is integral to forcing the player to use shorties in shorter ranges

[unique osprey]

Yes but that does not mean that the amount of sway is important. what if they tripled the amount of sway on all the guns? get good is a lousy response to unreasonable sway.

[zinc solstice]

the amount of sway is impossibly important to changing the range at which players can effectively land shots with a gun

[unique osprey]

The fact that the uppercut and sparks pistols have less sway then 2 slot weapons and deal just as much damage is ridiculous

[zinc solstice]

like how sniper scopes dont just change the zoom but also lower the sway of the rifle compared to the ironsights counterpart

also they barely have less sway, its a five point difference

and the obrez reloads faster than both pistols anyways

[unborn sandal]

Their falloff is way more extreme

[zinc solstice]

also that

[unborn sandal]

Starts at half the distance and goes down rather fast

[zinc solstice]

uppercut effective range is 115m, obrez is 314

and thus as obrez is a weapon branching off the the tree of a full rifle with 320m ER, it needs that massive sway difference

[unique osprey]

fair point but as you pointed out the high sway makes the gun harder to use at the longer range

[zinc solstice]

yes

[royal horizon]

that's the point ?

[unborn sandal]

There are ways to combat sway

[royal horizon]

else you'd just have a cheaper, smaller, mosin

[zinc solstice]

obrez needs that high sway to make it significantly harder to control at those longer ranges to make it a worse option over a full mosin

[unborn sandal]

It’s really only detrimental if you’re standing in one place staying ads

[zinc solstice]

while uppercut keeps its sway with a much worse damage dropoff range

[unique osprey]

well 77 vs 133 sway is a very large difference a slight reduction to say 120 would not make it broken. at any rate is just a suggestion

[zinc solstice]

120 would make the difference negligible and break that balance between the two

basically just leave it

[unborn sandal]

I could understand making pistol sway worse

You’re holding it in one hand

[zinc solstice]

i figured they had better sway since theyre lighter

[royal horizon]

obrez is a heavier, stockless gun, that kicks like a mosin

it should have much more sway than a pistol

[unique osprey]

the 2 slots should have significantly less sway then the pistols because of the better stability of 2 hands. the recoil would be greater on the 2 slots but the sway shouldnt be

[zinc solstice]

plus i hear those 1800s american revolver grips are hella comfy

[royal horizon]

recoil isn't really a balance factor in a game like hunt

[zinc solstice]

that stock is very important to that sway

[unborn sandal]

I don’t know

[royal horizon]

weapons don't shoot fast enough to be hindered by it effectively

[unborn sandal]

It’s way easier to make follow up shots with base mosin than obrez

[royal horizon]

imo it only matters on pistols and fast-firing guns like the Officer

[zinc solstice]

them pistols are designed to be held steady with one hand, a sawn off rifle only focuses on making it smaller whiel maintaining power

[royal horizon]

exactly, pistols are always held in one hand in Hunt

[zinc solstice]

i think they meant it isnt important on bolt actions and slower fire guns

[royal horizon]

yeah

[zinc solstice]

which is a lot of hunt guns

[unique osprey]

2 hand grip on the pistol maybe but hunt uses 1 hand

[unborn sandal]

as I stated I find it much easier to make follow up shots with base mosin than obrez

[zinc solstice]

like im pretty sure they only made spitzer have more recoil for the fun of it (or if the irl bullets make that difference idk)

[royal horizon]

because one sways like a mf and the other one is the most stable gun in the game

[zinc solstice]

thats either placebo or just the shitty wide ironsights or sway

[unique osprey]

higher recoil can make it harder to track targets if you are looking up in the sky after shooting

[zinc solstice]

sway that wide fucks you up even focusing on a followup sometimes

cause you dont notice it since its moving your gun while youre moving it too

[royal horizon]

that's the balance method the Uppercut uses

kinda

[zinc solstice]

the smoke cloud on uppercut is more problematic for me than the recoil

[royal horizon]

it's been a while since I played the uppercut

[zinc solstice]

which is an interesting thing, since i rarely notice the smoke clouds on guns at all

[royal horizon]

yeah that's right, isn't it supposed to fire smokeless ?

[zinc solstice]

no

[royal horizon]

i thought

[zinc solstice]

its firing a blunt old bullet

[unique osprey]

Which is why I argue for more recoil less sway not a lot maybe down to 120. I would think you would have to reduce it to 110 before you have a hard time noticing the difference

[zinc solstice]

only lebel and bertheir fire smokeless i believe

p sure they actually fire the same ammunition

[royal horizon]

interesting

[zinc solstice]

but i would never notice in this game lol

especially since everyone is usually moving after every shot

[royal horizon]

i rarely notice as well

[zinc solstice]

ig i notice it more on uppercut since it would have more powder in the air

[royal horizon]

also the barrel is shorter

[zinc solstice]

i believe the barrel length is supposed to be importtant eyeah

[royal horizon]

which dispenses the smoke right in your face

and also allows it to burn less propellant i think

[zinc solstice]

yeah, lots of unburnt power out there

like watching a black power musket shoot

[unique osprey]

not quite the barrel is not long enough to burn all of the powder before the bullet leaves hence a fireball/smoke at the end due to the unburned powder burning outside the barrel

[zinc solstice]

thats what we said

theres also a bit coming out the gap between the cylinder and barrel cause non-gas sealed moment

[unique osprey]

haha I suppose so

I guess im just slow at typing

[zinc solstice]

happens sometimes

[royal horizon]

wouldn't that cause issues with the Officer / LeMat carbines ?

since you have your hands so close to the barrel

[zinc solstice]

lematC maybe, but not the officer

[royal horizon]

I guess the Officer has the barrel-sealing properties of the Nagant

[zinc solstice]

the nagant has gas sealed cartridges so no gas comes out at the cylinder

yeah

thats why its the only silenced revolver in the game

[royal horizon]

true

[zinc solstice]

but the lemat in this game is like a fake version of the gun anyways so its whatevs

[royal horizon]

not like it would bother Hunters anyway

[zinc solstice]

actually ig it works cause there are lots of irl old revolver rifles

including an old lemat rifle

idk what they did to avoid burning their arms off, but it must work

[royal horizon]

the Colt Revolving Rifle had that problem iirc

that and accidental discharges

[zinc solstice]

oh wait that seems pretty closed off

[royal horizon]

it does yea

[zinc solstice]

ig maybe its sealed in the hunt version of the gun

[royal horizon]

maybe it is

it would also help seal the gasses from the shotgun shot too

[zinc solstice]

yeah

silenced lemat when?

[royal horizon]

would be interesting

would it silence the shotgun too ?

[zinc solstice]

idk, would be a pretty fucked up looking supressor

especially since the ram rod is still on the cartridge firing gun 🥴

[royal horizon]

that seem a lot to handle

yes

I saw a guy suggest a knife firing LeMat variant

it looked nice

[zinc solstice]

made sense that the ccp had a ram rod still since its a conversion, but lemat mk2 ig was just stylistic or they didnt care

[royal horizon]

maybe it's stylistic

[zinc solstice]

the devs have been known to forget things on modeling/animations

you used to pull the hammer on the sparks twice before they saw the royal armouries vid on it

[royal horizon]

i remember that yea

[royal horizon]

found the image

the post said something about shooting the shotgun barrel to shoot the blade "silently"

[zinc solstice]

could be interesting, fits the "shitty handmade gun mod" thing they go for

[royal horizon]

I just wonder how the knife thing would reload

like do you just pick it back up ?

[zinc solstice]

shove another one in and reload a blank shell in the back

would imagine itd be pretty lengthy reload

[royal horizon]

you reckon it would impact the sway ? like the Brawlers are supposed to have a little more sway

[zinc solstice]

yes

[royal horizon]

would make sense i guess

you have a knife sticking out of the gun after all

[zinc solstice]

i was lookin at the obrezes and rembered none of them have different sway

[royal horizon]

the drum doesn't sway more ?

interesting

[zinc solstice]

mace has a slightly worse vertical recoil

[royal horizon]

huh

the more you know

[zinc solstice]

only by 4 points tho

[royal horizon]

about the same as the officer vs the officer brawler

[empty sigil]

Ah well couldn't care if they actually fix the reconnect "feature"

[zinc solstice]

officer does have worse sway than normal nagant tho

and one point more on vertical recoil

[royal horizon]

that's because of the double action

harder trigger pull and generally more oomph

[empty sigil]

@unique osprey type the trait name in the search bar when choosing your weapons and it'll show you all weapons affected by that trait.

@sour nimbus approach from the side with no window and chuck a concertina bomb at the bottom of the tower and walk away, you've trapped them and if they are Gona peak you know where to look

@stray thorn there already is, first time leaving a random team in the lobby is 15s wait to rejoin, then 30s then 1min for every time from the 3rd onwards

[worthy knoll]

Interesting, except for one time reconnect has Always worked for me. Not saying your experiences are false but so far mine were good.

[dusky tapir]

I always have audio issues with reconnect

[stray thorn]

That much cooldown time does not solve the issue though. I think they should follow Dota 2 example and make first time 2 minutes, 2nd time 10 minutes, 3rd time 15 minutes and it resets every time you play a match.

[worthy knoll]

Again. Never encountered that

[empty sigil]

I'll admit its very temperamental for me, some days it'll be fine, others, like last night, 3 disconnects for tabbing out and it failed everytime

[empty sigil]

You'll say this until you have to leave a random lobby because of "x" reason then you'll complain it's too long, just be happy with the current time limits, I'm more annoyed that people are purposely trying to match with their friends in random to get the match MMR decrease and think that leaving as the matchmaking bar starts will by pass the limits, or leave as the games loading and then your in game with maybe one person, which mean you either try at an unfair disadvantage or you leave, wasting your time

[empty sigil]

@haughty cave you realise the point of them is to introduce the new boss, soon those gator traps will likely be the clues for the new boss...

[stray thorn]

I mean before the game starts. You know when you press search for players in the lobby and then you get your team mates and someone leaves because they did not like your k/d ratio or whatever else. Put them on cooldown so they can't do that again.

[empty sigil]

They do, incrementally up to 1min, that penalty lasts 24 hours mind you

[shrewd flare]

@ember hare such a simple thing to add yet another example of crytek devs being shit

i should be able to leave my random group without penalty

i shouldnt be punished because i dont want to play with people who arent good at the game

[karmic ivy]

That is nice.

[hot vigil]

@keen acorn wouldn't tying MMR to bounty just mean that higher skill players easier can end up in low rank lobbies by simply killing people and loot them for money and leave without a bounty?

[unborn dagger]

Exactly, it would be so easily abusable

[queen jungle]

Please remain respectful towards other players. The behaviour you describe was exactly the reason a penalty was introduced

[shrewd flare]

there

better?

and so are you saying i should be forced to play with teammates that are objectively bad at the game? why would i want to lower my chances of winning

[crystal plume]

Then don't play randoms

Use the LFG chats here if you wish to be picky

[analog willow]

You’re too concerned with winning and losing 😋 I can play with 1 stars or 6 stars, new players or vets, and still have a great time with a smile on my face😋😋😋 Can’t win fun😋

[shrewd flare]

its a fps shooter of course i play it to win lol

[analog willow]

It’s a game for fun😋 You’re bringing all kinds of weird baggage to it. It also sounds like you’re trying “barrate” the players around you to play how YOU want them to play. This is a game. No one gets to tell me how to play it😋

[shrewd flare]

ironic

you lecture me on how i should let people play how they want but im not allowed to play how i want

and wanting to win is what a majority of players want.. its a competitive fps

[analog willow]

Good luck then😋❤️

[keen acorn]

deranking is actually already very simple.

[shrewd flare]

yea if you need a guide on how to derank just ask huuge how he does it before his streams

[pulsar canopy]

shots fired

[keen acorn]

just go self revive and dont kill people, job done, my idea wouldn't make that any faster at all

[shrewd flare]

best way is to do quickplay

[keen acorn]

its not separate anymore? that is foolish

[shrewd flare]

yea makes absolutely zero sense but who the fuck knows what crytek is thinking anymore

[hot vigil]

yes, but this would make it even easier and still able to maintain a profit pr. hunt and letting the people play the game.

[keen acorn]

how tho?

[hot vigil]

If you wanna de-rank rn, you need to go out of your way to do so.
But if it was tied to bounty, you can wipe servers, loot hunters and extract without the bounty to gain less MMR.

And looting Hunters pays well.

[keen acorn]

no, youd gain from killing hunters. i never said extracting without a bounty should drop you straight to 1 star, it should just impact it negatively, not my job to guess how much would be fair

[hot vigil]

Well it still helps people to smurf easier passively.

[keen acorn]

it's not gonna change how those people play tho

[hot vigil]

So... if bounty doesn't affect MMR too badly, why would it change 6 star lobby then?

[keen acorn]

there would at least be any reason whatsoever for them to get bounties

[hot vigil]

Okay, so my train of thoughts are:

• You advocate that 6 star lobbies are bad bc people don't go for the bounty and just farm kills to remains 6 star.
• So your solution is "make bounty impact MMR, to make people who wanna retain their 6 star actually go for it".
  So I think it reasonable to assume that people who don't get the bounty will get their MMR decreased.

Which in turns makes it easier for people to de-rank by intentionally ignoring the bounty.

And if it doesn't decrease their MMR, but only increase when you get the bounty, then we get the other issue that 6 stars can still just play passive non-bounty plays and now we get poor people who should be in 3/4 star, skyrocketing up to 5/6 stars bc the played the objective.

[keen acorn]

i still dont think deranking is a solvable issue, so i just dont care about that

they're simply going to if they wanna

[hot vigil]

You cannot prevent smurf as much as you cannot prevent cheating.
BUT! We can try make systems that at least make it harder.
Which is why I have issue with your suggestion. Bc it ain't gonna solve your 6 star lobbies, but it is gonna poison the rest of the MMR system.

[keen acorn]

it couldn't make it worse, but ok, if you think 1 more way to lose MMr that takes longer than the others is the straw that'll break the camel's back, go ahead and hold that opinion tight

[raven gull]

The MMR system cant be solved mate ^^

[keen acorn]

^

[raven gull]

Stars just dont work cause of how the MMR system works.
I fluctuate between 6 and 4 stars all the time. sometimes multiple times a day.
It depends who you play with.
Who gets the lucky headshot...
Doesnt do poop for you to kill 4 stars as a 6 star.
Onced you get killed onced or twice. you are down.

More contant would be KD. but that doesnt really work either if people wanna find a way around it.

[hot vigil]

If people gain MMR by getting bounty, it can rocket players up to brackets they don't belong leaving little desire for them to go for the bounty.
If people lose MMR by NOT getting the bounty it means that high skill people can de-rank/maintain low MMR by still focusing on firefights, but ignoring the the bounty.

[keen acorn]

ig i really needed to be more specific about how much it should effect it, you're still assuming it'll count as much as 4 kills

[hot vigil]

Would rather have systems within' the match that makes people play the objectives, instead of external factors.

[hot vigil]

Well, if gives next to nothing then it is a non-inclusion right?

[keen acorn]

sure, it's either useless or terrible, whatever man

[hot vigil]

Just trying to understand how it makes people not playing the objective wanna play the objective.

[keen acorn]

bc they're MMR players

[hot vigil]

Yes, so if the MMR impact is too low, they still not gonna play the objective right?

Like if extracting with bounty is = 1 kill, is it worth it? When you can just sweat passive and gain that 1 kill?

[keen acorn]

ok fine, just implement it in 5-6 star lobbies and no where else. Higher MMr, harder to keep

[hot vigil]

Maybe better, I do agree we need -something- to motivate people playing the objective.
I think an "awaking system" might work better where your traits doesn't activate until you obtain clues and/or banish bosses.

So you buy traits, but when a match starts they are inert, every time you pick up a clue some of your traits becomes active and banishing the boss activates all of them.

Or something like that, that at least make people motivated to do things on the map.

[keen acorn]

yeah, that could work

[hot vigil]

ofc some rework would be needed, like feels bad to buy traits and then they don't work.
Also, is once pr. match or permanent activation?
How does traits activate? Are they random or are there priorties?

[keen acorn]

yeah, it'd upend alot

[unborn dagger]

Honestly I'd kinda like that.

Bring some of the hardcore aspect back to it and would even make sense lore wise. You have the bounty so it activates your powers or whatever

[keen acorn]

would be positive for new players too

[hot vigil]

And it still adds a layer of "I might not need to banish the boss, I'll manage with my current traits".

[ashen elk]

#game-ideas message i disagree, i think whispersmith is fine, especially given its cost

it makes it to where people won't know if you've pulled out a melee or something along those lines

i think silent reloads would be nice but if they're added to whispersmith i think the cost should be adjusted accordingly, or have it be made its own separate trait

it's a little niche but its not a near useless perk

[crystal river]

A split second switch between hearing sounds whilst everything going on is near useless.

The price can obviously be adjusted for a buff, obviously such things aren't set in stone.

If you're in melee range and die to a melee, you deserved it. You either get a kill, or you choked.

[ashen elk]

i mean, there are situations where it's useful

like if you're hiding around a corner waiting for someone to push

[crystal river]

And I'm suggesting making it even more useful.

[ashen elk]

if you switch to your melee, they'll hear it and know it's comin

[crystal river]

It's not like I'm asking for it to be made worse.

[ashen elk]

no no i get what you're saying

my main point is that if whispersmith is gonna be buffed in that way, it should be a bit more expensive

since 1 trait point is like barely anything

[crystal river]

That is entirely acceptable

[ashen elk]

[crystal river]

My suggestion isn't in correlation with keeping it the same price. Obviously a buff in usability needs a buff in price.

[ashen elk]

alright :)

[brisk barn]

Why I'm getting the game stuck at the Anniversary screen instead of loading me out of the match?

[glass fable]

This mean the servers are down for your region, I got he same screen

[brisk barn]

there is no maintenance announced on twitter

or am I missing something

[glass fable]

I know, might be a simple restarted, I am here to look for that info aswell

I have been playing for 6h straight, it just shutdown

[hallow cosmos]

Steam is down

[haughty cave]

must be a valve

[queen jungle]

@glass fable @brisk barn Steam is down for it's weekly maintenance every Tuesday.
https://steamstat.us/

[blazing oriole]

Solid post @old fossil

[old fossil]

thank ya

[knotty ore]

FUCKING PLEASE, FIX BEE AGGRO

If you break a barrel they shouldn't travel 100m to attack you instead of a guy right next to the barrel

Same with throwables

[ripe basalt]

@spice grove Bulwark, the trait, reduces explosive damage.

Which prevents it from being a 1tap

@edgy forum I just tested, Modmail is working. Can you share a screenshot of the message?

[spice grove]

yeah, i know about it. i was just sure that in that time between hits she didn't have time to heal. and i didn’t hear the sound of heal even once... idk may be it was regen shot or she had physician trate also. anyway, the 2 point perk that makes an entire weapon useless is ridiculous.

[ripe basalt]

Good hits regardless. I deleted it as it didn't contain feedback. Feel free to repost the video with feedback regarding the trait vs Bomblance though

[keen acorn]

das why they added steel ball

[spice grove]

thx. i did it

[spiral crane]

it would be really nice if flash bombs didnt full flash you if you arent looking in that direction

[tawny meadow]

@thin fractal
You must format your suggestion like the ones you see already in the channel:
Title: somethingsomething
Description: cool description

otherwise your suggestion will be auto deleted.

[thin fractal]

The bot has also told me that but that doesn't explain why it doesn't like mine?

[tacit falcon]

something thats fairly important to know:)

[loud sapphire]

@midnight peak conduit should not be shared, and that goes for all traits. It would be a big buff to premade teams who can strategize their trait loadouts, while randoms would have less efficient trait point spendings due to not knowing what their teammate has

Hunt does a good job not making premades super strong with its game mechanics. This should never change. It's enough that people can have team chats on discord while randoms are stuck with doing it in-game, meaning they can be heard by other players. They don't need more advantages

[worthy knoll]

@keen mortar your Suggestion would Just Turn the Tables. Assuming 3 minutes is enough to Rech the extract it would incentivise the Bounty Team to Turtle as much aß possible, since after the regular time is Up, the enemies Just die.

Now at least attackers know that "eventually" eben the best Concertina Castle needs to be left behind by its makers

[crystal plume]

Do you have this enabled if you right click the server icon on the left and choose privacy settings?

[edgy forum]

worked! Thank you!

[crystal plume]

Np, good to know that was the solution since I wasn't fully sure either 😄

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle For New Year there is already a feature on night time of day that allows setting off fireworks in some places.

[queen jungle]

Makes sense, I haven't played a night map in a long time. Though I think I might have seen it on a cart or fence, but it was very underwhelming.

[knotty ore]

@karmic ivy weren't you one of those dudes crying about evidence ot being able to use reshade to dodge flash? I didn't know what filter it was, but here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQhajeZB3U4&t=337s

You can hotkey that filter so if you get flashed you just turn it on. Its been around a long time.

[karmic ivy]

You have a strange definition of "crying". But you would be correct to say I was skeptical enough to request a video exactly like this. I am very glad this content creator took this on. He now has one of the VERY few videos like it available! Cheers to him, I hope he gets a ton of traffic.

[knotty ore]

Not a lot of people are going to make videos of them cheating as I've said the last time we talked. It also takes some know-how.

Tons of ways to exploit in Hunt. Sometimes I'm aware of a way, but wouldn't make a video because more people would know how.

And I don't want bad behavior to spread. But, on this forum, there are bad actors such as yourself who straight up deny all of these ways to exploit until someone makes a tutorial.

Suspicious...

[karmic ivy]

I find your behavior sus. but I don't go accusing you in public about it.... fair is fair I guess, Good luck, and good Hunting.

[karmic ivy]

Well, I will say, we can be very glad that most players don't posses your affinity for finding bugs and exploits in games 😉

[knotty ore]

Or, your affinity to play devils advocate for things not even addressed to you.

You insert yourself into more places you don't belong than the US military.

[analog willow]

Playing Devil's Advocate 😉 This is an open discussion board for that very purpose ❤️

[knotty ore]

Yes, this forum is for discussion. Its not for lying. You do understand there is a difference between saying. "this exploit is not that prominent" and completely denying its existence and pretending like the game is in perfect order for possible dev clout, or w/e this guy is farming. Right?

Every negative feedback, this guy is here defending

[analog willow]

That's not what I was communicating at all 🙂 Everyone is allowed their opinion and voice ❤️

[knotty ore]

There are a couple of people here where all they do is deny existence of something easily observable by anyone who has ever played Hunt.

It contributes nothing.

[analog willow]

That has not been my experience with Duncan. He's actually the one who got me on this message board😂 Shoutout to @karmic ivy ❤️

[knotty ore]

He needed backup

Its quite clear

[analog willow]

😂

[craggy pike]

I do agree there are certain people in here and Reddit that are staunch defenders of this and really any game. It's just a part of any game community

Anyway, when are the problem weapon iron sights getting fixed? Winny musket and martini for example aren't accurate to their irons positions

[knotty ore]

The thing is, people buying Hunt, or people buying DLCs is largely dependent on how a game state is perceived. So, unless there is negative feedback, they won't put any work into all of these issues. tinfoil hat on Which is why I think a lot of these accounts that are active here are probably just stealth Crytek accounts. If someone posts something super obvious to mostly everyone, and these accounts gaslight those issues, they can retain face and continue selling DLCs without working on the game.

[analog willow]

If anything, I've been the most critical person of the game, as far as I've seen😂 I doubt there's a dev I haven't ticked off in one way or another with all the "feedback" I've given on EVERYTHING😂 (btw, love you Devs! You created my favorite game ❤️ )

[craggy pike]

The place where the bullet is actually going to fly is obscured by the end post, where most guns have it coming out towards the top of the post

https://preview.redd.it/vvq4iewelg8a1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1db9121c4b5bdb1a04056fc52a26d93ebb166444

[knotty ore]

On a good day, Hunt is a frustrating mess.

[craggy pike]

Maybe here's a less blurry pic

[analog willow]

On a good day, I have a great time 😋

[knotty ore]

I don't when hit registration is not working.

Hopefully, its temporary because they are working on servers.

[tacit falcon]

the lebel was messed up as well a lil while back. did they fix that one yet?

[analog willow]

@fading citrus Love the idea! I think that would change the "Hunt Aesthetic" a little too much as a permanent boss (I think it's a little too 'Silent Hills') but would probably make a great event! (Might be a bit too budget intensive to justify the expense of creating all those assets, but again, LOVE the idea. Hunt 2 maybe?)

[lone raft]

100% Ban Reshade. When is this going into place?

[karmic ivy]

Thank you mate! I appreciate that.
Good luck and good Hunting!

[analog willow]

Looking at that makes me want to barf😂 They can have reshade. I'm having a way better time enjoying the actual game than caring that much about my KD that I have to DESTROY the visual look of the game to get an extra kill or two on occasion

[lone raft]

did you miss the part where you can remove flash, poison clouds, fire, and you can ZOOM IN with with reshade?

[unborn sandal]

Anyone is free to defend the game and voice their love for it just as you are to talk about things you don’t like

[analog willow]

"Looking at that makes me want to barf😂 They can have reshade. I'm having a way better time enjoying the actual game than caring that much about my KD that I have to DESTROY the visual look of the game to get an extra kill or two on occasion"

Just my opinion😋 Even if flash bombs became useless, I'd still be having more fun than them😋

[knotty ore]

Found the other one, I almost forgot about you.

Except, neither you, or the other guy ever say, "I love this about the game". You just sit there and tell people who are providing feedback that they are wrong.

Even if its a widely experienced phenomena, completely obvious to anyone who isn't oblivious.

[graceful marlin]

Hey now, Basil's pretty fair with their opinions and doesn't leverage insults

[knotty ore]

Ya'll work for Crytek together?

[graceful marlin]

they're allowed to share their input, even if you don't agree with it

[knotty ore]

They are allowed to share their input, not block feedback

That should be in the goddamn rules

[graceful marlin]

lol they aren't blocking feedback at all

that's a personal perception that you have

[knotty ore]

Saying, "that doesn't exist", or, "its not a thing". Is blocking feedback when those things obviously exist. Beyond doubt. The only thing they are expecting is for people to prove it to them. Which is a waste of time. But, that also gives off the perception of the issue not existing if you don't. Which may, or may not make devs completely ignore glaring issues like they've been doing.

[graceful marlin]

so you think two random people in a discord server giving their opinion is going to have a massive impact on Crytek's perception of issues?

[knotty ore]

Like, how many threads on reddit do people have to make before the devs acknowledge that registration doesn't work sometimes. They need to work on finding which conditions make that happen and fix them. Its fucking game-breaking. But, not a peep so far from the devs.

[graceful marlin]

that's not how software development works

[knotty ore]

On top of it these dudes always say registration is fine.

Which it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT

I've had a few critical shots go through people and it feels like absolute dog shit to lose when I should have won.

It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to notice

And this is common for a lot of people.

"naw you just missed" ok dawg

[stable pulsar]

Please BING BACK OLD MMR SYSTEM, As 3-4 star that sux so much to play in 5-6 star lobby 10 times in a row!!!

[graceful marlin]

honestly, that's not something I've experienced. I'll go ahead and say I'm not a great shot as-is. But I've done software support before, if you're pointing out an issue that is intermittent you have to have proof for there to even be a base line to troubleshoot

[knotty ore]

There is tons of proof on reddit I've posted here before already

[graceful marlin]

otherwise it's literally shots in the dark at best, wasting time at worst

[knotty ore]

It has not been acknowledged by the devs as an issue

[graceful marlin]

and if there is proof, then #feedback-discussion isn't the channel for it to be frank. If the devs acknowledged it, then it'll be in the pipeline at some point. Maybe not immediately, maybe not in 6 months, maybe not in a year

[knotty ore]

I'll just post a daily reminder to fix the game people have paid money for ok?

[graceful marlin]

and the opinions of two folks dissenting isn't gonna sway them, neither is being upset at said two folks

[graceful marlin]

as someone who worked in software support, I'll be straight with you - that's for your own validation, it's not gonna do anything to speed things up faster

[knotty ore]

I've played this game for close to 1000 hours and it was in better shape when I started. BUT, we have more DLCs

which is tight

Fix the game

Crytek has software support department?

[graceful marlin]

no lol

well, idk to be clear

[knotty ore]

Figures

[graceful marlin]

my field was ecommerce, software-as-a-service which is similar enough to live-service game models

[proud bane]

found a missing space

[karmic ivy]

Lie

[karmic ivy]

I would appreciate if you would stop lying about me. It is impolite to say the least. Bring proof or don't accuse me. Its not much to ask.

[knotty ore]

Because you jump in the way of my feedback to Crytek. "WATCH OUT MR.PRESIDENT"

So, if you don't want to get hit by the bullets, maybe don't jump in the way.

Because it had nothing to do with you to begin with

If you are going to be a contrarian, you might get into arguments. And I've not lied about you, stop misrepresenting what I'm saying and playing the victim.

[unborn sandal]

Well you kinda did

You said he’s never said that he loves the game

Which I’ve definitely seen him do

[knotty ore]

Generally he just interrupts feedback. I'm not going to go back 2 years and see if maybe one day he was like, "new gun is cool".

None of that matters. If you don't want to get into arguments, don't get in the way of feedback

[unborn sandal]

Who said I’m afraid of getting in arguments

[karmic ivy]

I like debate. I simply ask that you don't lie about me.

[knotty ore]

I haven't.

So, cool, I won't.

[unborn sandal]

?

It seems to me like you just don’t like people that clap back at you crossbow

You want your arguments to be accepted as truth

[knotty ore]

Lol keep clapping, bro, I love it.

[analog willow]

Pulling a Mr. Rogers card out, No one wins an argument. Let’s use this as time to reflect on how words have meaning, and everyone deserves respect❤️😂❤️❤️

[unborn sandal]

Nah this is the place for an argument

[knotty ore]

No, I just want you to not insert your, "that doesn't happen to me", Or, "no that doesn't exist" bullshit into other people's feedback which are not directed at you to begin with. Especially, for things that clearly exist. No one here needs to prove anything to you.

Your job is not to sit here and contradict people. Unless it is. In which case, how much Crytek pay you?

Good I never really want to ever communicate with you in any way you are just up my ass every time I post something objectively true.

Here just

Don't tag me

I'm good

[unborn sandal]

I just like farming salt off of you

[knotty ore]

I don't need your input ever

[unborn sandal]

it’s very easy

[knotty ore]

Lol

My salt is free, HMU any time

[analog willow]

“Discussion” has an implied respect. Argument is oppositional. This is a place for “Discussion”. Differing opinions are important, and it’s important that people be able to express those opinions without feeling “attacked” when someone has a different opinion. Not that I’m accusing you of any of this❤️

[vital crown]

The region selector is still annoying.

Cycles through high ping or red 0ms. Then I have to wait for it to hit my region for it to go to low ping again. And I have to select it fast otherwise it cycles through..

[main valley]

the fact that u insta go to menu if you press it once u die as solo , even if u have revive counter is such a bad design , in duo it asks if you really wants to go menu ..but in solo it doesnt .. i wasted so many revivable solos becasue i click menu by musscle memory .. and i wish there was confirmation , exactly as it is when u are revivable in duos

maybe they just forgot to add this since having revive as solo is such a new thing

[old fossil]

@queen jungle I get the issue you're trying to solve, someone has suggested a toggle opt-out for being necro revived

but can't have it the way you suggested or else people can basically "cook" a necro.

[hexed gyro]

Just ran into a bug where I'm forever poisoned after running into a poison cloud.

[old fossil]

You necro a teammate, they don't take it immediately, you fight the enemy to distract them, your teammate revives out of nowhere WHILE you're keeping the enemy actively busy in a gunfight

[tacit falcon]

brother kd means nothing, reshade isnt something to make me better at the game. i was 6 stars before and will stay 6 after they remove it. youre just huffin on the copium a little too hard bud.

[tacit falcon]

thats been a thing for a very long time, yet another thing crytek hasnt fixed in years

[old fossil]

Reshade just comes down to personal honor. Until a game gives adequate visual graphics customization support, reshade is just tuning your monitor to your eyes.

and even then if colorblindness options and gamma are available, just some basics, then you can't really stop people from using a third party graphics filter

[analog willow]

Huh?

[old fossil]

Reshade should only ideally be used if gamma and colorblindness customizations don't exist in a game's graphics settings

It is a little unusual that people with perfectly good eyes are using reshade when the game is default designed to look decent for everyone

meanwhile just as a personal insert, I am visually impaired and colorblind to the point I couldn't see the boards at all in school or drive

and don't even use reshade myself to stay in 5 star

Unless you have a real reason to, a perfectly healthy eyed person with a gaming monitor of any brand shouldn't need reshade

[royal grove]

It's cus the game is hard and hard games attract people that use crutches

[old fossil]

I wish it wasn't, but it is because of that reason that reshade using is frowned upon

it's the same thing in the audio area

[tacit falcon]

you act like if you download reshade itll magically make you 6 stars and increase your kd. that isnt how it works at all lmfao. i made the video thats my game, and idgaf about kd. is it cool to see it go up a point? hell yeah it is. but if it goes down it dont matter at all to me

[old fossil]

Would you scrutinize a player for modifying their EQ so that quiet audio cues like sneaking footsteps are much louder than they should be?

You would, so that is why reshading is looked at negatively

[analog willow]

That’s not what I said or implied at all🙂

[old fossil]

I think what people do mean to say definitely including Blume here is

if you don't need it, then why just not use it?

If the guy who modified their EQ to hear quiet footsteps louder and better just really could not hear them by default

and had reasons for having hearing issues, such as being an artilleryman

then they have a reason to try using it

Best analogy I've always given is if everyone gets an equal stock car to race with

Why would you think it's fair to tune yours?

Done here, but would like to see the people who do use reshade respond

er else this explanation debunks the ethics of reshading

[ashen elk]

i use reshade cause my eyesight is terrible and my monitor is insanely dim for some reason

i just use it to make things a little easier for me to see

nothing drastically different of course

just like, 2 sharpen filters, and then a couple things to make the colors pop a little more, although obviously adjusted to not make the game look like play dough

like if you turn on technicolor2 at default strength it's way way way too much so i set mine to 0.3

but yea i've seen the plugin that people do all the cheats with and it's fucked up but it's not included in any package you can install yourself

you have to fuck with the config, i've been told

so it's very much not easy to get your hands on from the sound of it

but still really shitty that people will do that

[tacit falcon]

it actually is exactly what you implied

[analog willow]

No, I was saying that I don’t care

[midnight peak]

if you're queuing with randoms you're setting yourself up to lose in the first place rather than just picking out a team from the discord

[analog willow]

“Looking at that makes me want to barf😂 They can have reshade. I'm having a way better time enjoying the actual game than caring that much about my KD that I have to DESTROY the visual look of the game to get an extra kill or two on occasion”

[ashen elk]

im pretty sure the part about caring about kd and the part about getting an extra kill or two is implying that reshade will get you extra kills even if you just use the normal built-in graphical stuff, maybe you didn't mean to imply that but that's definitely how it comes off imo

i think with certain settings it'll definitely make enemy hunters stand out more but i don't think it's that drastic of an advantage unless its like settings to crank the brightness of night maps up to a bajillion

[craggy pike]

You can use the software to gain a competitive edge, period. Not saying everyone does, but you can't selectively ban people abusing it so you should ban it outright

Dissenters can fiddle with their monitor color settings

[ashen elk]

actually my monitor settings suck

i don't think a blanket ban is necessarily the best solution

it really sucks that there are people abusing it, i don't think anyone would disagree with that

but i don't know if innocent people with bad monitors or eyesight or people who simply want to tweak the colors should be caught in the crossfire

[craggy pike]

Like all things, bad actors ruin it for everybody

[ashen elk]

idk i just

i have a personal stake in this cause my monitor settings and eyesight are both terrible

and i use reshade like a normal human being

and i don't want to go back to bumping into walls like a drunken fool cause i can't see shit due to little timmy wanting to cheat in a video game on his 9th birthday

[loud sapphire]

No game makes it mandatory to search for teammates outside of the game to queue with, and in fact most people play with randoms. Punishing those that don't want the hassle with gameplay mechanics is unfun. Hunt in its current form is brilliant because it offers a level playing field no matter how you choose to play (i also like what they did for solo play). Ruining that because "u set up to lose lol" is childish and anti-player mindset

On the same logic, Crytek should buff long ammo and make medium, compact and the rest just decorative fluff. After all, if you queue up with anything else than long ammo you set yourself up to fail in the first place, so who cares, right?

[onyx edge]

Honestly, avto should have 30 reserve and only cost 100$

[rugged inlet]

So.... can we please get a server restart soon.... or fix ping abuse.
After i died, teammate went in and hit him point blank with a shotgun... also no hitmarkers

[wind quest]

bro why my server always 0 ping. cant play at my own region?

[loud sapphire]

Sound like piss poor balancing! You should add an extra slot for special ammo and add shredder for 20$

[queen jungle]

Delayed Necro-revive may be annoying, but it can add complexities to a match. For the vanilla version of bounty hunt, you might be right and it can be frustrating. However, I think experimenting with a wildcard variant of delayed necro-revive might be interesting and even fun. I don't believe everything that's good from experimenting should be added to the vanilla version. Certain games are fun but for a limited time occurring once every so often.

[old fossil]

Necro ties up your hands from doing anything while you do it, including providing cover fire or being a distraction so they lose attention off the downed body

[queen jungle]

My random teammates aren't interested in reviving me to join the game. They want decoys. In a 3 v 1 situation, he doesn't care about winning anymore.

It's frustrating to watch your KD tank because of this.

[old fossil]

There is a post about giving the downed spectating teammate an "opt out" of being revived option

that is the solution

not cooked necros

[queen jungle]

Yeah I upvoted, but I wanted more.

But the populous mostly says no.

[old fossil]

getting revived when you don't want to be is understandable

but choosing when to revive when a teammate has their hands free to distract the enemy for you

[queen jungle]

Cooked Necros offer more strategy.

[old fossil]

It is not strategy

It is broken

[queen jungle]

More chances of a turn around, comeback for a losing fight.

People are going to start burning and trapping bodies more often.

Tools like cat traps will be more useful now.

Again it offers another type of play, not necessarily for the vanilla version. I think it would be great as a Wildcard addition if Revive choice is added.

[old fossil]

Imagine the scenario, one teammate of a trio runs into a compound, gets downed.
The two other teammates, "prepare" the necro on the downed teammate, and then plan to rush in or throw nades in to get the enemy to scatter

[queen jungle]

I already know what happens if they cook a necro revive, you don't need to describe it to me.

[old fossil]

if you're trying to necro, you can't be throwing a nade to cover your res DURING your necro

that's key balancing

[queen jungle]

It would make a good trait into something amazing.

[old fossil]

you could literally dynamite the teammates dead body after having prepared the necro cook on them

[queen jungle]

Yes, I see the flaws to a cooked necro revive. But I still put it in a suggestion. The likelihood of it getting added is slim to none.

[old fossil]

and they get up the instant the dynamite goes off

which is not possible currently for a reason

you can throw the dynamite right before you do necro

but not enough to perfectly cover the res

I won't discuss this any more

[queen jungle]

That's not a perfect method of clearing and it wastes a consumable.

[old fossil]

It's a common strategy even in low MMR play

[queen jungle]

I have experienced it before.

But the situation was very circumstantial.

[old fossil]

any level of gameplay I should say rather

its your choice whether to try to cover the res with a nade or not

from most people's experiences it's one of the more successful methods
EDIT: from what I have observed from streams and personal gameplay

[queen jungle]

Well you made your point, it's a valid argument.

But, I'd still like to see it happen just to see the changes in strategy.

Again, not in vanilla bounty hunt, but as a wildcard.

[little carbon]

One can make the point that in Hunts case not everyone has been given an "equal stock car".
Hardware matters a lot, both for audio and visibility. I never saw the need to use ReShade, but with my monitor i can already basically see as if it were day on a night map.
Same for audio, good quality headphones make a big difference.

And its basically impossible to fully remove the inequality between players.

[old fossil]

it's impossible because it can't be regulated and it's impossible to make truly equal opportunity

it's just a personal honor system

so the ones who really want to win, some of them are willing to play a little 'dirty' with extra tricks like zoom

[little carbon]

@tiny steeple That system would just take away any incentive to play better. Also keep in mind that player income is distributed over your ELO not the whole playerbase. Its not like 6 star players make more money than 2 star players.
Every lobby generates the same amount of money, regardless of its ELO. So whether you make a lot or a little doesnt depend on your ELO but on how smart/strategic you play within your ELO.

And having a clear reward for playing more invested into your current match is always a good thing as it incentivises players to not just mindlessly queue but to play their matches invested.
And being low on money doesnt mean that you cant compete. Both the winfield and the romero are very cheap guns but very effective.

[old fossil]

All I can support with my words is that is it is shameful to be a player wanting to win so badly that you 'tune' your graphics to 'see better' what you would normally might miss with default graphics

and unless they have a legitimate reason for visual impairment or disability, not even like their monitor being bad (no amount of reshade is going to make a bad monitor look good if default didn't look good in the first place)

there is no reason for people to use reshading beyond a little touch up

and that's just addressing reshading

not derendering and zoomings

[little carbon]

Well, even if no one would use any 3rd party software there still wouldnt be equality due to hardware differences.

I get what you want to say, and of course people that use these things to create an advantage suck, but there are also people who use it to equal out a disadvantage. So the true question is what side has the higher impact on the game (as to say, would removing be sum positive or sum negative).

And you can do a lot with processing software to a monitor that doesnt handle darkness well to increase visibility to a better point.

[old fossil]

I am behind the people who use it on a need-basis, but I have never heard of someone who does use it on a need-basis.

The people who do use it are the hobbyists with already very good hardware

they are the most frequent reshade users

[little carbon]

And yes, derendering and zooming are def features that can only be used to create advantage, not to equal out a disadvantage.

In case of zooming tho, it might just be as simple as that there are a billion other options to do it already that Crytek isnt allowed to detect anyways.

[old fossil]

yep

it all boils down to personal honor and respecting fair play

Reshading takes flak around here because it's the power users who do it

[little carbon]

Absolutely.

[old fossil]

and in the case of the argument of what if your monitor is already really good that it's basically equivalent to reshading an okay monitor to be great

Nobody can exactly downgrade their hardware

but forbid that you have a great monitor by default and then add reshade on top

[mystic rain]

Are other people having latency spikes in hunt recently? Or is it just me?

[tiny steeple]

@little carbon how would it take away incentive to play better? Are you saying the only reason to play better is making money?

Also my idea doesn't prevent people from going broke. Everything you said was kind of irrelevant

[alpine mural]

#game-ideas message

Maybe have it so that instead of not hearing the voip at all its some pre recorded voice lines that play from the hunter instead of the voip so that you can still hear where the hunter is. If they want to give away their position you shouldn't lose the advantage

[pure grove]

Constantly and consistently mate, its bad

[mystic rain]

I’m trying to get the event done and it’s just so tedious because of it 🥲 it spikes at the worst times

[pure grove]

Just curious, what platform are you on?

[mystic rain]

Pc eastern servers US

[pure grove]

See I know someone who plays PC EU and US East - lag spikes, and freeze frames all over the place

I thought it might just be a peasant last gen PS4 issue, but my friends on PS5 EU have the exact same issue - hopefully crytek see this feedback, I've reached out to their support chat on their website to report it, no reply

But its a problem on multiple platforms and server regions, crytek, fix it

[mystic rain]

It’s wild man like ever since that event update rolled out I’ve noticed it. So I hope it gets fixed soon🥲 least I know it isn’t just me though

[wheat nexus]

"if you have been 4 stars for 200 hours, it should not be possible to go down to 3 stars" – could we make that a fixed rule for MMR? That would be awesome.

[analog willow]

Speaking from personal experience, and at 1300 hours, there have been times when I could sustain a 5 star rating for weeks at a time, and just within the last month, I was a 3 star, worried that I was going to drop to 2 star because I was playing so poorly.
"Forcing" me to stay at 5 star after not playing for a while and having abysmal skills, would not be fun. There's an old saying "If you don't use it, you lose it" and I REALLY see that in first person shooters like Hunt.
Having an MMR system that allows a player to drop star ratings pretty easily, and gain them, prevents players from being stuck in lobbys when their skills have "fallen off" and prevents a situation where a player is "smurfing" their MMR (for longer than a match or two) because their MMR raises back up so quickly.

I personally, LOVE the matchmaking in Hunt for all the above reasons. Really responsive, gives players a win when they need one, and prevents players from being "locked in" to a skill tier they're no longer capable of playing in👍

[wheat nexus]

Fair point I haven't considered so far. My MMR experience has been pretty good recently, tbh. Not as concerned anymore as I was a while ago.

[terse vault]

@stiff crow im confused as to why you would need something like what you suggested earlier

like you can just join a discord call lol

the alternative would be just allowing dead players to talk to their teammates normally

[tiny zodiac]

Ragtime cowboy joe 😃 👍

[terse vault]

what are you talking about

hahaha

[tiny zodiac]

Bro doesn’t know ragtime cowboy joe

[terse vault]

i dont :((

[atomic kiln]

I think the match grade Sparks pistol could be a sweet high dollar whacky cracker

[midnight peak]

The playing field is so level, especially the part where a guy can derender my buildings from 400 yards out then blow my head off with a nitro through a wall and the part where 屁股驱逐舰 can connect from china with 300 ping and have an 8 second trade window so he can kill me with a bomb lance after he's just gotten decapitated with a shotgun, but a trait connecting amongst teammates is unfair because "ohhh the game the game needs to be equal for everybody" right?

[midnight peak]

Im assuming vulture is unfun for you too because it's something that is shared among teams? Does ammo boxes ruin the game for you too? Let's just remove reviving teammates because I guess DarthZombie has no interest in this game having interaction between teams beyond just being extra bodies in a gunfight lmfao

Queueing with randoms doesn't really put you with a team, if you bump into another team it's literally just a 1v1v1 v 3

No coordination

No comms

It may not be intended for the game to be easier by queueing with a team in the discord

but at the end of the day

it is

and there is literally nothing

these devs can do

that will make the game easier for a squad of randoms

than it would be for a stack who met in discord

but i guarantee

sharing conduit is not gonna be something that just ruins the experience for random queuers 💀

[loud sapphire]

Vulture is equally good for solos and teams lol

Conduit sharing in itself is not massive, but it violates a design philosophy and opens the door for more of the same

And you'll end up with a dozen traits that stack for pre-made teams

[midnight peak]

There's other traits that can do that lol

[loud sapphire]

All the other stuff on derendering and cheaters is another story entirely

[midnight peak]

You and your entire squad run poison sense and one person has poison on your team, someone gets shot once and now all you and your friends can see them through a wall

You gotta keep in mind running traits that compliment each other isn't all reward

One of the hardest parts about playing on a team is loadout variety

I agree that Hunt will never have stacked odds and the playing field is level, just not in a way where everyone has an equal advantage

More so in any given situation, there are just huge disadvantages

Hunt doesn't give

it takes

You and your team will always be disadvantages in some sort of way

There are so many factors that regardless of how many stackable traits pop up in the future, another team will always find a way to kick your ass and out strategize you

[analog willow]

@worthy plank Just saw the video! Great info! Really explains what looks like an MMR difference between players of different star ratings. Again, great info! Thanks for making it

[worthy plank]

Happy you found it, and so glad you enjoyed it!

[full violet]

Can we do something about cheaters tho in the higher lobbies.

[royal comet]

What is this trash?

Shall we watch this travesty in slow mo?

I can't play the game when firefights do this nonsense and I'm trying to sneak past birds when my guy decides to go "Millennium Falcon going into lightspeed" on me and start trying to clip through walls.

I love the game. But this is getting to be unbearable.

[quiet echo]

I dont wanna start stuff. But when is the advantage people from other regions have on EU servers going to dissipate? Its beginning to become quite anoying to the point where i just want to deinstall and never look back.
Everytime i encounter people from other regions, specifically russian players, they tend to have a major advantage by shots just not connecting. They know this, hence why they keep coming to european servers. Isnt this a form of use of an exploit, making it cheating?

[brave basin]

How is a 666 team matchend in a 544? The best 666 player has more Bosses killed then we all together. Hot does that fit in a game

I really start to hate this gsme and will go over to another 100%

It sucks ass

[queen jungle]

Your screenshot doesn't show their team MMR

[analog willow]

Different regions have different amounts of players, and since MMR is based on who you kill and gets killed by you, a server with a lower population will have players that "appear" much higher rated. Hence you have 4 stars that could technically be more skilled than some 6 stars depending on the region they're playing on

[brave basin]

Bullshit

How is a 6 6 6 team with 2,5 kd skillid with a 5 4 4 with 0,8 kd

[analog willow]

No, really, that's how MMR works. You have a score "x" and it changes (up or down) based on the rating of the player that you killed or got killed by.

[brave basin]

Bullshit

This dies not add up in any matchmaking

Blume

1 guy 2,50kd 8000 bosses

6 mmr with his friends all the same kills a team of 5 4 4 with less bosses killed than a single person?

[queen jungle]

KD is irrelevant for matchmaking, only thing that matters is team MMR, which you didn't includ ein your screenshot.

[analog willow]

If a region has 200 players, the best 10 players on that region will probably have a REALLY high KD, but in the grand scheme of things, with hundreds of thousands of players, they wouldn't be that good. So when two regions are combined due to low player amounts, and in an effort to make sure people get full matches, regions are combined, and now you could potentially have a player with a 3+ KD with the same skill as someone with .8 KD if the .8 player was playing on a much higher pop server and their matches are filled with players of similar skill, instead of the 3 KD being matched against just 200 players, where they might dominate

To put it another way, if you play a game with the same four friends and your KD against them is 4+, and then you go to a tournament where your KD ends up being .2, you're still the same skill, you're just being matched with different people, and someone who just plays tournaments might have a KD of .8, but dominate that 4+ when they meet in the tournament, because the .8 has been playing against better players

[little carbon]

Both KD and Bosskills aren't good indicators for skill tho.

KD is a distribution within each ELO and not over playerbase. Both an average 6 star and an average 2 star will have the same KD. Which disproves a proportional relation between the two.

As for boss kills. At some point a player reaches their skill ceiling so with time their skill doesn't go up anymore, but their Bosskills will still go up. Which disproves a proportional relation between Bosskills and skill.

Also keep in mind that matches aren't perfectly fair, but are instead in brackets. Around 6 of them in higher pop regions. So if you are at the lower end of the bracket and they are at the top end then it's still a fair match within the games parameters.

Lastly the stars are representations of your ELO number (0-5000). The brackets are defined on those numbers but aren't aligned with the stars.

[analog willow]

Not trying to make you mad ❤️

[brave basin]

Dude, a guy wiht 6000 boss kills 2,5kd mmr6 Nd two 6 stars is fucking better than a 5 4 4 team

[analog willow]

You didn't read what we wrote 🙂

[brave basin]

@analog willow i reall appriciate your effort

You're a nice guy or girl. I'm salty and pissed, sorry for bothering, actually you admins ans guys are the last persons to be pissed of

[analog willow]

All good! ❤️ Hope your day gets better

[brave basin]

Actually i leave the server now to not further bother, have a good one

[analog willow]

No, you're good! Lots of other people have the same questions

It can be frustrating running into that for the first time

[analog willow]

I don't want to make this a voting thing, because I'm sure this will get plenty of pushback, but Handcrossbow poison bolts need a nerf. I think the cloud should only last 30 seconds, and they should cost 180 Hunt Dollars to bring in only one set of it's ammunition (still amounts to upwards of 30+ poison clouds with ammo refills).
It's way too effective a tool (the poison cloud) to be that cheap. It passively kills every boss except Spider, it blocks rezes, it's a PvE tool, a silent soundtrap eliminating tool, and is effective in creating "Poison Labyrinths" in boss layers. (With TONS of ammo available to do any and all of it at once)
It's way too good for such a low price, and even at 180 hunt dollars, it's a steal.
Love it though😂

^Tagging onto this, I think poison cloud should do SLIGHTLY less damage to bosses also

[unborn dagger]

@outer wedge Find a different game if you don't want the pve side of Hunt. Hunt Showdown is a slow paced shooter and its clear your friends are not into that type of gameplay.

[hazy quartz]

sorry for the wall of text in advance

poison handcrossbow is already hard countered by antidote shots.
if it was only soft countered, i would agree with a nerf.
balancing by money just punishes poor players who are already at a disadvantage, rich players simply dont care, poison hand crossbow are a rare sight in higher elos anyways.
so in the current meta i dont see poison bolts as a problem.

also there are lots of other ways to kill bosses faster than with poison bolts. (melee + stamshot, sticky, penny shot)

besides that i suggested a while ago to change how antidotes work to not harcounter poison anymore but either only reduce the time you are poisoned, reduce the damage you receive or only have a limited protection which gets depleted when getting affected by poison.

if antidotes get reworked i think we could re evaluate poison bolts but at the moment there is a decent chance they wont affect a player at all if they are running antidotes which makes them mostly an PvE tool.

[analog willow]

Fair points. But only if a hunter has taken an antidote shot does it nullify it, and it's still the best Ai and Soundtrap device. The price tag is low compared to the cost and/or the availability of equivalent equipment that would do the same job. For instance, a poison bomb with only one charge costs 25 hunt dollars (the same price currently as the poison bolt for which you can get 30+ ammo). A nagant silenced would do similar functions, but it's almost twice the price currently (which should also raise in price😂 ).

In addition, I agree that, currently, a large portion of the playerbase wouldn't feel this change in price, but I think raising the prices on effective weapons would affect the rate at which some players earn money, as currently, the HC with poison is VERY cost effective, (the most cost effective in the game in my opinion) and by raising the price, more players would feel a little more heat to "budget" their money if prices of certain items were raised. Moreover, I think that while currently, raising the price would largely just affect the beginners (until a time when Vets have a "hard mode" with scarcer money) I would argue that making the HC with Poison harder to purchase is a good thing for beginners, because the poison nullifies so many of the game's mechanics and they should be learning the game and the different weapons and tools rather than one device that can do it all (a device that is only a single slot weapon, can also one shot beyond the range of most shotguns, with potentially unlimited one shot ammo, and only costs 55 Hunt Dollars)

[lethal mango]

@viral frigate you can change your keybinds to have bandage and interact separate, you'll never have an issue with it again

[charred narwhal]

My MMR=4 team have met those avtomate all 6 star teams in two adjacent games tonight in US East. Can we modify our matching system so that we won't match with a team with 1.5 team star above us? Thanks for consideration

[tropic plinth]

Same here but even worse.

We are not the best at the game and now its unplayable due to every game being full of 6 and 5 stars.

[queen jungle]

Low-population regions such as Oceania have fewer matchmaking brackets to ensure that players don't constantly end up in empty matches.

[tropic plinth]

This has only starting happening in the past 2 days. Every game before hand has been somewhat fair. And regardless that needs to be changed, its ruining the game for many people and I think most would say they would rather a fair game over a full game.

[queen jungle]

The lower number of matchmaking brackets for low-population regions has always been a thing and hasn't changed recently.

The alternative would be to have empty matches constantly.

[fluid raptor]

When will Crytek fix their f*cking game ? 5 years still not fixing shit. No wonder some of your employees are leaving this boat.

[atomic kiln]

take your shots, baby

[karmic ivy]

Hunt is playing well here. What is happening wrong with your setup?

[ebon meteor]

Wann gedenkt Mann denn mal was gegen die High Ping Abuser und Cheater zu unternehmen? Das Thema sollte man so langsam mal ernst angehen und nicht tot schweigen so wie eure Twitch Partner, die das Thema ja alle tot schweigen.

[atomic kiln]

agreed

[warm zephyr]

@wispy ingot then enlighten me. What is my own region?

[wispy ingot]

You just said it's SEA lmao

[warm zephyr]

was there a sea server?

[normal agate]

I have spent nearly 400 hours playing this game since its Early Access phase. Recently, I've noticed an apparent increase in the frequency of mobs and "alarms" such as horses and crows. It seems that encounters with two horses, an Immolater, and a Hive occurring in close proximity have become more common. The challenge of remaining undetected has become quite difficult, as if the range of activation for these entities has been expanded. I want to discuss this observation without inviting unnecessary criticism from other players. It is worth mentioning that I have achieved a 5-star rating with a 1.7 KD ratio. I'm curious to know if others have experienced similar changes or if it's just my perception playing tricks on me.

[native shard]

I've played on and off since open beta and they've silently cranked up AI spawns in recent major patches, you're not crazy

Especially noticeable with crows and hives

[crystal plume]

They have not though 😄

[keen oak]

We should just make a petition to remove avtomat and Hunt will be perfect

[normal agate]

Thank you. I thought I was going nuts.

[karmic ivy]

never mind

[charred narwhal]

Yes, I totally understand the problem here. But the thing is: 1): this is US East, Saturday, 1 a.m. and the questline still there. I can hardly believe it is empty at this time. 2): This has happened in two games in a row. I didn't take a screenshot before this but it is pretty much the same--a team of all 6 stars guys basically f up the entire server with their avtomate and mosin. I can understand it for a single game but not every single game 3): I agree with what Pegwig said. I noticed that this is happening far more often recently. I wonder if this is because you guys have changed the matching logic or what... I will appreciate this if you guys can review the new matching logic and not letting the normal players match with these guys for every single game. Maybe considering a slightly longer waiting time and do not put teams together if they are >1.5 star team MMR difference.

[charred narwhal]

I think the avtomate problem really pile up since the release of duo and sharply amplified since the event of sparks pistol. I am thinking whether we can nerf it back to the time before duo came out. Maybe only letting avtomate having spitzer to use? Now you can't one tap someone for 125 HP without headshot and the maximum backup ammo will become 10 since you can only use obez to supply the spitzer ammo

[analog willow]

!avto

[marsh garden]

Avto Balancing: We have heard your feedback on the current state of the Avtomat and other weapons that allow players to get a large amount of extra ammo. We are working on a change to the ammunition system. This will introduce some changes to how resupplying and extra ammo capacity are handled. We hope this will alleviate the frustrations when playing against high-capacity weapons. These changes are still in progress, so they are not included with Update 1.12. Thank you for your patience as we work on this.

[outer wedge]

@unborn dagger i think Hunt its NOT a slow fps, you make it slow due to preferred play-styles, its slow at 3~5* for sure, all people i see at this ranks is crouch and camp waiting inside with concertinas, and that's nothing wrong with that, you play like you want, and i love Hunt and for me, the most fun and rewarding experiences from Hunt is 1 bounty only when all teams are in 1 compound and hell breaks lose, i think that Hunt would gain a lot more audience if was more pvp based, after 4k hours its what my gut tells me, PvE like excessive grunt killing over longs periods of time SUCKS. that's it.. its a real problem Hunt has.. and telling me to find another game.. its a lame excuse to defend your play style i think, play slow all you want.. spend 30min camping in a boss lair with concertinas its definitively not for me, i love shooting, anyway , have fun and good luck

[unborn dagger]

You're wrong if you think it isn't a slow fps. That's why your friends do not like it. The thing about Hunt is listening for your enemies or sneaking around to ambush them, not going in guns blazing like a chicken with his head cut off. If you don't like the pve aspect that's fine, just don't expect hunt to change because of it. The PVE aspect is one of the core aspects of Hunt. That's what makes it unique. Once again go find another pvp game if you do not want that.

[queen jungle]

@noble solstice If you suspect players of pre-teaming, make sure to report them to Crytek's #customer-support as purposefully joining the same match to team up is not tolerated.

[empty sigil]

Question, so since SBMM has been made a forced thing, does the game care if you are premade or not when it matches you with other people, does the little scales icon on the team details screen still mean randomly match together team or is it just a pointless icon now?

[crystal plume]

The scales never indicated random teams, you can see if they were a random team if they have the downwards pointing arrow symbol on them indicating the negative MMR modifier they get

[empty sigil]

literally just make the avto special ammo, sorted, no in depth changes need to be made to any other "high capacity ammo" weapons, just make the avto special ammo and you sorted more problems with one change.

[empty sigil]

okey dokey ty

[mild lake]

Should Fanning still not apply to Nagant Precision?

[crude karma]

i think fanning the hammer on a stocked pistol would be a bit difficult lol

also if stocked revolvers could be fanned, then the scottfield precision would also have to be fannable

and im not sure how well balanced thatd be

[gaunt garden]

not sure why playing against a trio of 5 stars with KD's all north of 1.8 when we are a duo with a 5 and a 4 with no KDs above 1.4 i'd say the "skill-based" matchmaking leaves a tad to be desired.

[vernal haven]

K/D means nothing for matchmaking, and the overall team MMR difference was one star at most. That's not an unusual matchup, as it's neither possible nor necessarily desirable to give you perfectly even teams.

[queen jungle]

@pure grove Please be aware that #game-ideas is for new feature suggestions only and not a channel to report technical difficulties.

@willow burrow Please add a more detailed description to your suggestion telling others why they should support your idea.

@ember lintel Such a feature is a popular demand and has been discussed many times. However, German and EU privacy laws forbid Crytek from providing such information to a third party (you).

[wheat nexus]

Maybe a general info like "you recently reported someone and we wanted to let you know that action has been taken because of your report" would already satisfy this a little bit? Sometimes I get this kind of message in Overwatch and it feels good, even though I don't know who of those reported has faced the music and who didn't.

[little carbon]

This is a very shortsighted solution which also generally won't work well.
The avto is a strong weapon, yes and a case can be made that it is overtuned a bit, but it's not blatantly op.
Making it special ammo is too drastic of a nerf, since it wouldn't just prevent double sparks pistol, but any loadout with a reasonable ammo efficiency.

Special ammo would cut it's overall ammo efficiency by almost 90%. (You have less reserve, drastically less recovery and drastically lower recovery opportunities since you need special ammo boxes now)

Consider how awful it currently is to play the avto without any extra ammo supply and then consider that special ammo would make it drastically worse.

The avtomat was fine with dual uppercuts.

[queen jungle]

But that would still make it possible to identify the player, unless you are reporting people left and right.

I file a report maybe once or twice a year and it would be easy for me to know the player if action was taken 🤔

[empty sigil]

i dont play avto because im not a CoD simp in Hunt showdown, at the of the day, the guns meant to be an "experimental" version of a another gun made almost 20 years later, it -should- be that bad on ammo, considering it has a 15 round capacity, which is only second only to the winnie bayo, the reload is second only to other clip weapons, winnie swift, dolch and other mosin variants, it can burst fire 3 rounds of the games meta ammo type that not even levering can get lead down range that fast, its muzzle velo is up there with the other big bois, and possible HS range to match a sniper (and yes i have been HS by one at 150+ m) the only thing this gun has that is making it "balanced" is the recoil after the first round, but even that has been mitigated because unlike the officer carbine, its recoil is scripted (so say) i would rather see it be made special ammo with a price reduction, making it a risk because ammo becomes so scarce, yes you might wipe a team, but you may have only one burst left, meaning no random wall bangs until they kill someone then grabbing 2 ammo boxes to fully reload it (exaggerated obviously but it certainly feels that way) no spam from 100+ m until they kill you with a luck HS, adding the gun to hunt was categorically a bad idea, the dolch used to be medium ammo, now is special, do the same to avto, people will still take it, because some people are chads (and rightly so) but every white shirt and his granny maunet wont be rocking one with single or dual sparks/uppercuts.

[atomic kiln]

Have you ever used it, or are you going by youtube clips

[real charm]

@viral frigate someone probly mentioned, but while definitely support your idea, but i recommend to change the keys separately, for me e is interactions and f for fixing bleed and burning

[unique osprey]

So how does Blizzard and Riot do it? They both have a feedback system stating that action was taken off of a report. No names given. I would like a better answer as to why crytek can't do the same. I mean tarkov literally released all of the names on a ban wave. I doubt they were all US players

[empty sigil]

i used it and i see the appeal of it, but even in the hands of someone like me, a self confessed noob, honestly i prefer shotguns, melee and sniping because i suck with general rifles otherwise, it does make life a heck of a lot easier and is reminiscent of playing old CoD, obvious differences aside (your not always going to win a 1v3 if you spam the entire mag on one guy with his teammates close by)

[queen jungle]

Both are US-based companies so I would assume they take the legal risk. Per the EU's GDPR, which applies to EU citizens anywhere in the world, online identifiers, i. e. nicknames, count as personal identifiable information and are thus protected information.
That's also the reason why naming&shaming is forbidden, as somebody may take legal action for slander if they get accused of breaking the rules/cheating, etc.

The current situation is probably that no customers have bothered to take legal action based on GDPR yet, which is why companies haven't bothered changing their policies. Crytek is simply being proactive and careful in that regard.

[little carbon]

German laws differentiate between companies operating in Germany and ones that are based in Germany. The first category is treated a good chunk more lenient

[unique osprey]

Quick response. Riot is owned by Chinese company. Tarkov is owned by UK company. The GDPR is applied to services or goods to people in the EU, hence every company that has EU customers it applies to. Furthermore the information of identification has to be able to identify someone directly or indirectly. From what I have found and read unless the company names a gamer or ID them through address or IP there is nothing wrong with a generic message saying a report has been acted on.

[queen jungle]

Riot is owned by Chinese company
Nonetheless Riot is still a US-based company.

to people in the EU
And to EU citizens everywhere in the world.

From Article 4 of GDPR:

‘Personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person.

"online identifiers" include information such as IP addresses, cookie identifiers, RFID tags, MAC addresses, advertising IDs, pixel tags, account handles, device fingerprints, and more.

Anything that can, possibly in combination with other information, directly or indirectly reveal any personal information about a natural person, counts as "personal data".

[worthy knoll]

Katana as a Saber or bist
Not talking quartermaster

[unique osprey]

By that logic all in-game names should be hidden from everyone else? A generic message does not identify. If anything having us use steam for everything and being able to go directly to someone's steam page seems more of a violation

That seems to me that crytek is facilitating identification through it's excessive use of steam

Like I get you are trying to be helpful as a moderator but what I am seeing is not consistent

[queen jungle]

If you have additional concerns, please refer to Crytek's privacy policy: https://www.crytek.com/privacy

Or contact their data protection officer:

CONTACT US

For more information about our privacy practices, if you have questions, or if you would like to make a complaint, please contact us by email at [e-mail] or by mail using the details provided below:

Data Protection Officer

Crytek GmbH, Hugo-Junkers-Strasse 3, 60386 Frankfurt am Main, Germany

[pure grove]

I'm gonna be that guy and say it's tiring seeing katanas in almost every game out there

I see how it could have gotten to the bayou (International hunters etc), it would definitely function as a cosmetic reskin too

But God please, Katanas don't need to be in every single video game

[worthy knoll]

I Just want it Because for 2 legendary Hunters it would be a fitting Skin
Thus using it as a Saber Skin and Not implementing it as a new weapon.

In General i agree that it does Not need katanas. But Hunt also hast several Hunters and aesthetics implemented that do Not make much Sense for The 1895 bayou (Like middle easterm Hunters, Chinese Hunters etc) so i See No Problem in adding culture specific skins were appropriate.

[pure grove]

"I see how it could have gotten to the bayou (International hunters etc), it would definitely function as a cosmetic reskin too"

Like I said, I appreciate and acknowledge this stance - but I can't budge, people are borderline obsessed with katanas, have been for years and it's tiresome

They're pretty much in every single game out there, and I'd prefer hunt stayed as an exception - I reckon if the boys at Crytek wanted a Katana in Hunt, they would have added it alongside those legendary hunters you refer to - those hunters are more than sufficient when catering to the community that will use them

We'll leave it up to the Hunt gods to hash this one out lol

[north sleet]

@torn sage Couldn't agree more tbh, ruined the whole experience for me

[worthy knoll]

Afaik the Saber did Not exist when the Ronin DLC was deleted. So Back then the Katana was Not possible.

Well I Understand your Position. We will See.
For me it is only important that IF it is implemented its implemented as a Saber, Not a Machete or anything Else.

[pure grove]

I'll live, no matter what they do (if anything)

But if they did I agree, a sabre reskin would fit the best

[atomic kiln]

Sounds good, to their support address on their site? I just had a match with solos acting as a team, obviously a very frustrating experience as the only other player there

[queen jungle]

Via the website would probably be the best way, along with any evidence you may have.

[atomic kiln]

eight screenshots of them hanging out together should do the trick

[queen jungle]

However, keep in mind that teaming up randomly during a match is perfectly fine and does not violate any rules. It's only if they were planning on teaming up before joining the same match.

[atomic kiln]

I obviously don't know what they have done all day, just that they were two solos looking and acting like buddies and it's suspicious enough that someone who can review match data is going to need to look to say for sure

[queen jungle]

Yes, that's true

[tranquil hill]

the same thing happens to us on eu server. its not only low population regions. since the last week it feels like crytek changed something in the background on the Matchmaking. Because the Matchmaking is completely different for us. With much more 5 and 5,5 star teams with complete 6stars and 3+kd. And nobody can tell me that there are no other 4,5 star teams that search at the same time. with the matchmaking changes many people will loose the fun to play hunt. When a 3star team mmr team meet a 5,5 star team with 2 6star player nobody can tell me that the matchmaking is not broken.

[queen jungle]

@stuck hornet Apart from the fact that anyone can choose to play where they want to, Estonia is a European country and an EU member so playing on EU servers is the logical choice

[unborn dagger]

There's already a Tanto skin in the game so Hunt being an exception isn't happening and especially when we have multiple legendary hunters that are samurai and ronin characters.

[pure grove]

So take your Tanto and be happy with it

@unborn dagger completely agree with your suggestion that free hunters should "upgrade" in appearance as you level them up, a friend and I were just discussing this today

They missed an opportunity there

[analog willow]

I just recently saw a match where I was playing against full teams with everyone a full star or above every member of my team. We won though. There could be confirmation bias coming into play when people lose to these teams and being it to the attention of the board. With low pop regions combining to provide fuller matches, there are some “falsely” high rated players playing against players their actual skill level, and it could be that it only becomes an “irritation” when players lose to falsely high rated teams and not when they win against them. Perhaps there needs to be an identifier for suspected falsely high rated players being thrown into a larger player pool for matchmaking purposes? Maybe hide those people’s stars and mark them as “System is quantifying and adjusting this team’s MMR based on this, the preceding, and the proceeding match performances” although perhaps a little more elegantly put

[unborn dagger]

It's really weird how they haven't implemented a very basic version since they do have the tier 2 and 3 versions of those free hunters

[pure grove]

I cannot imagine it being hard to implement either, not the first time I've seen that suggested here, or with random players - seems like a good idea all round, hope it catches on

[queen jungle]

Not all T1 hunters have T2 and T3 variants though

[unborn dagger]

They could easily make them lol

With how often we get legendary hunters

[queen jungle]

Once a month plus occasional events 🙂

But personally, I agree with your suggestion

Would be a nice feature

[unborn dagger]

Absolutely, I would personally like more focus on the tiered hunters instead of the legendary. I wouldn't even mind if they had purchasable ones if they were to implement the suggestion.

[pure grove]

It would mean adjusting existing character models, as opposed to new ones from scratch so hopefully easier on that front

[crystal plume]

I prefer my hunters staying how they are visually

So if they were to add that kind of functionality, I'd rather have it be optional

[analog willow]

I'd love all kinds of different systems where you could modify the look of a Hunter. Upgrading it visually based on level, optional clothing accessories (necklaces, bracelets, hats, gloves, boots), having hunters visually take damage and accumulate scars (can be healed in menu), tattoos, custom scarring. Some of these could be unlocked by accomplishing tasks with the hunter skin to increase questline and event options

[pure grove]

@fluid sedge love the idea for the C93 - you'll probably get a few people complaining that it'd be too strong etc how is it any different to the dolch etc

I reckon it could be balanced to fit properly, it would be a nice budget alternative to the Dolch and would support multiple variants

I've noticed people here just have a habit of down voting weapon ideas/suggestions, all self proclaimed balance experts worried it'll upset the meta too much which is dissapointing, there are still a couple dozen weapons that would fit really well into Hunt

[fluid sedge]

I've been trying to come up with a few ways to balance it in my head. I think it fits the aesthetic very well as a budget. Alternative wouldn't be that bad of an idea especially for a medium ammo handgun

Sure hunts very much a western with mostly revolvers but the time frame of which the game takes place is also when handgun design really took off

So some of the guns would not be out of place time frame wise

And it would also give more variety to the game too for weapons

[pure grove]

It's a really nice change of pace from the countless long ammo suggestions, we almost have to many of those now

How would you have it balanced compared to the bornheim?

[fluid sedge]

Part of me is trying too hard to compare it to its real life counterpart in the area of it is kind of known to be a unwieldy weird recoiling gun

So I'm thinking it has a decent bit of sway

Decent damage but you can't do follow up shots as well as the bornheim

But maybe so it doesn't become another dolch alternative maybe same damage a little more damage as the bornheim

Because this would be a high capacity handgun

I am very open to ideas on this

[pure grove]

If they did this, it's likely it'd be compact do curb the wallbang spam potential, like they nerfed the dolch (though I fail to see how fanning FMJ on med/compant revolvers is any better)

But I like it, it bridges the gap between Bornheim and Dolch, it's in the same category of semi auto pistol carbine as them both - perhaps it could have ammo options like FMJ and poison to set it apart further

Idk man variety is always good

[fluid sedge]

I'd imagine a small ammo pool would probably best so it's not over powered too

Currently right now it's a concept idea

[pure grove]

It's up to the big brains at crytek to mull this over

Hopefully they see it - but it seems you need content creators to bang on the new gun drum for months for them to notice (e.g. martini ironside, alamo)

[fluid sedge]

Kinda sad that it does come to that

Another idea Id love to see is this style of bayonet for revolvers

Sure it was made for the Webly but this for the Schofield

Would be nice

[analog willow]

@cosmic gulch Different regions have different amounts of players, and since MMR is based on who you kill and who gets killed by you, a server with a lower population will have players that "appear" much higher or lower rated than they actually are. When two regions get combined for matchmaking purposes, that falsely rated player will be put against players their actual skill level. Most of the time you won’t notice this unless you lose the match to these players

[pure grove]

This one (entirely out of personal preference) I have to disagree with

Not only does it look very goofy, but bayonets were fitted to long rifles for a reason

The brawler variant works fine, but that is just me

[fluid sedge]

This was designed for trench fighting for officers back in WW1

Like we have the cadwell claw

I just think this would be pretty cool for a slashing and stabbing revolver option

[analog willow]

@tranquil hill Different regions have different amounts of players, and since MMR is based on who you kill and who gets killed by you, a server with a lower population will have players that "appear" much higher or lower rated than they actually are. When two regions get combined for matchmaking purposes, that falsely rated player will be put against players their actual skill level. Most of the time you won’t notice this unless you lose the match to these players

[tranquil hill]

you can say what you want its broken and unfair how it is now

[analog willow]

To make an analogy, if you play against the same 4 friends, your KD may be very high, but go to a tournament with a hundred players and that same person could have a much lower KD. In the same way, if you and your four friends were REALLY good and your KD against your friends is average, but you go to a tournament, and overall, you and your four friends are much better than the rest of the players in the tournament, your KD will be much higher than it is when you play against your friends. You ran into one of these “isolated” player(s) from a low population region that was combined with yours for matchmaking purposes

[tranquil hill]

this people should stay on their region. we dont want high ping players on eu server. region lock would be nice.

[analog willow]

It's a tough balance, because then some people would have empty matches if that were the case, or maybe matches that are even more lopsided due to lack of player availability

[tranquil hill]

when all russians and chinese player would play on their region the region wouldnt be empty^^

[worthy knoll]

Based

[worthy knoll]

Even more Based

[rough saffron]

I don't know if it would be too difficult, but I would love to see the karambit knife brought into the game (I don't know if as a skin or a new type of melee weapon). it is one of my favorite knives

[lost lotus]

From #game-ideas Title: Bring something with you on prestige.
The only thing keeping me from prestigeing now is that I need to play with I guns I dont like—My favorit guns are Bow and Nitro, if I could choose to bring those two with me on prestige, would do it all the time.

[cosmic gulch]

or unless they are voicing out to you exposing their clantag and names out. but i get your meaning behind them. there shouldnt have been a change to the matchmaking system regardless.

[wind cave]

what is that balance for the fact that solo players can self-revive up to 5 times in a game?

[unborn sandal]

So can you with a teammate. They’re still alone and now missing a bar with no one to cover their res

[wind cave]

so you can SELF-revive with a partner?

[unborn sandal]

You can revive them

For solo you need necro

[wind cave]

Ok, that's what I thought. My issue is that a solo player being able to self-revive up to 5 times not only gives them a bit of an unfair advantage, but also subtracts from ranged stealth combat

I just experienced this for the first time when I hopped on for the first time in over a year with a friend. We tactically placed ourselves in a strategic position for an engagement with a player who we weren't sure was solo. After he crossed a bridge I engaged with a Sparks and dropped him immediately. I watched to see if a friend would come. I was completely surprised when he popped back up. I held my position as overwatch and my friend advanced on the enemy's last known position. The enemy engaged my friend and killed him. I then engaged the enemy and killed him a second time. I though in my head, "there

"there's NO way he can revive again." However, he did and ended up killing us both through attrition. It was extremely agravating

Can I shoot a dead body with incendiary bullets to burn it? That would make it fair. I don't want to have to sit over a dead body for 10 seconds with a shotgun everytime I kill someone

[crude karma]

what if players could only revive themselves once, and when they do they only get one big bar/50 health. would that balance it?

[glass fable]

I am in favor of just removing it, it is the most non-sense skill ever added to the game. You play solo... if you die you die, that's it

[ashen elk]

i think solo necro is important because of trades and only trades

if you're in a 2v2

and you trade, it's not a huge deal

you have a teammate to get you up

if you're playing solo and you trade, that's it, it's over

and that's just a really awful feeling imo

i also don't think solo necro is that powerful in the first place because of the simple ability to just trap the body, you can place traps, you can burn them, you can just watch them to see if they'll get up

if a solo gets up and immediately gets shot they're prolly gonna think "yea there's no getting out of this one"

there are definitely situations where solo necro will win you fights you would've lost without it, even outside of trades, but i don't think that's a terrible thing due to the fact that playing as a solo puts you at a pretty huge disadvantage

i'd like to also say take all of this with a huge grain of salt as i'm just a lowly 3 star with only like 150 hours

[unborn dagger]

That last part is usually the reason why people are against it. Having to sit there and camp a body is pretty boring.

[ashen elk]

yea but you'll only have to do it for like a minute usually

maybe two

it's not that bad i dont think

maybe my tolerance hasn't been worn down yet tho idk

[wheat nexus]

It feels like the woes of the 5-stars are not the same as those of the 3-stars. In my games, queue times are short, lobbies are full, self-necro is no problem at all, nearly no avtomats, very rarely trades.

[old fossil]

The Dual uppercuts provides you with 18 spare, not 28 spare, almost 2 whole avtomats extra worth of ammo capacity. 2 whole reloads if you shoot off the 2 bullets in the sparks pistol pair.

The Nitro is special ammo and can kill only up to 6 Hunters without resupplying. Impossible to carry any secondary that increases its reserve and seldom is anyone complaining that the Nitro needs an ammo reserve increaser.

The Avto ammo sourcing is the issue. If you leave it as long ammo, it can be resupplied way too easily. You can kill anyone with a sparks rifle or other long ammo rifle, and suck up their entire reserve.

The Avtomat has 15 ammo starting alone. You can't carry more ammo than 6 without resupplying from pocket ammo boxes.

Allow it to be resupplied just like the Nitro, where you can take backa small amount of it's killing power per ammo box like the Nitro's 1/3rd resupply pickup, NOT an entire 15 round top up off a dead Hunter's gun reserve or a NORMAL ammo crate.

The ammo economy of the avtomat is fucked as it is being common long ammo. It is way too easy to have more ammo constantly

Avtomat plus 2 sparks pistols, 45 rounds of long ammo.
Common long ammo.
If each burst is easily capable of one-bursting or one-headshotting or one-bodyshotting a 125 HP player, then that is 15 bursts or potentially 15 dead players before ANY resupply

And the Nitro being only able to one shot 6 players total before any resupply off uncommon special ammo is supposed to be underpowered in comparison if the avtomat is normal as is?

[tranquil hill]

Avto should be special without spare ammo so you need to use ammo boxes. Since the sparks Pistole avto is op and gamechanger.

[unborn sandal]

!avto

[marsh garden]

Avto Balancing: We have heard your feedback on the current state of the Avtomat and other weapons that allow players to get a large amount of extra ammo. We are working on a change to the ammunition system. This will introduce some changes to how resupplying and extra ammo capacity are handled. We hope this will alleviate the frustrations when playing against high-capacity weapons. These changes are still in progress, so they are not included with Update 1.12. Thank you for your patience as we work on this.

[old fossil]

"Oh look I found a sparks rifle/pistol on the ground/in this tower"
+14 rounds resupplied

[slow oasis]

@little carbon Why are you against weapon inspect button?

[old fossil]

that's like Nitro getting +5 or +6 per resupply, and it's not even common ammo resuppliable

Just because you spent 310 more hunt dollars and quartermaster is had

Heck even without quartermaster and 155 hunt dollars you have another avtomat's full reload

[old fossil]

It is not shortsighted when you put it into perspective that the Avtomat is figuratively a one-man Trio.
It would be similar to coordinating with your trio to 3-tap the same target all with mosins, but one man gets full control and can unleash more firepower and damage faster than a trio of Mosins firing and cycling bolts one after the other.

Avtomat = one man vulnerable like every other Hunter but can fire faster than 3x Mosins cycling and firing at the same speed right after one another to simulate a burst

Sparks pistol was also a recent addition to the game

The Avtomat at least beforehand that update required an uppercut or quartermastered obrez or dual uppercuts (a whopping 828 hunt dollars extra, making your kit guns alone cost 2328 hunt dollars)
Except the dual uppercut option which breaks the bank somewhat and requires you to spam 12 shots of uppercut somewhere on the map loudly, the obrez or the single uppercut options that existed before sparks pistol was added only gave you about 2/3 of a reload unless you emptied those weapons to commit to having a a loaded avto + 15 ready to load and an unloaded secondary

And why do I advocate for each bullet to do less than 125 dmg? because a burst with recoil control and crouched aimed chest-head is good enough to get an 2-tap or unintentional headshot, whichever happens. If someone wielding an avtomat misses hard enough to not get a headshot or not hit 2/3 on a downed once-revived-missing 1 bar-fully healed Hunter, why should they be rewarded with a 1-bullet tap when they can go from even a single burst missed (3 chances) into a string of 12 additional chances at full auto rate of fire?

[unborn sandal]

I’m not sure anyone is gonna take the time to read your novel man

[old fossil]

The nature of full auto is that you have greatly increased hit probability in a short time span of them running exposed
at the cost of how much ammo you're willing to burn through, and that ammo is easy to resupply if not special ammo. Steal hunter's reserve ammo, or find a common ammo crate.

[old fossil]

Just pent up that people really don't look at the facts

[unborn sandal]

Not much you can do

[old fossil]

and try to condone something they haven't analyzed

[unborn sandal]

Devs are changing it

!avto

[marsh garden]

Avto Balancing: We have heard your feedback on the current state of the Avtomat and other weapons that allow players to get a large amount of extra ammo. We are working on a change to the ammunition system. This will introduce some changes to how resupplying and extra ammo capacity are handled. We hope this will alleviate the frustrations when playing against high-capacity weapons. These changes are still in progress, so they are not included with Update 1.12. Thank you for your patience as we work on this.

[old fossil]

yeah, my suggestion was a possible addition or angle they could add to it

of <125 dmg per bullet, because the current weapon balance principles of hunt are if it fires fast, it deals sub 125 for 2 taps or earn that headshot

[unborn sandal]

If they make ammo not pool that will fix it

Yeah it will still be strong

But for one mag

And then it’s 3 wasted slots

As it should be

[old fossil]

to clarify, reserve not increasable?

[unborn sandal]

Ammo types don’t pool

[little carbon]

That is the best solution if and only if they also rework the reserves of some guns and make recovery independent of reserve.

The avtomat should also get some reserve in that case.
Reducing its efficiency by around 30% of what it is currently is more than enough for a nerf

[unborn sandal]

No

Avto deserves to get nerfed out of existence

[old fossil]

I was asking for clarification of what "pooling" as you say means

[unborn sandal]

It doesn’t fit hunt in any way

[old fossil]

so I can be sure I understand you correctly

[unborn sandal]

But regardless I don’t think ammo should pool at all

Would diversity loadouts

No more mosin sniper uppercut meta

Not more avto meta

Allow guns to be balanced by their reserve

[old fossil]

Machine guns are a military technology for unfair advantage
Springfield 1903 Rifle : M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle
Same barrel length, ballistics, and potential damage

the Avtomat does literally that and doesn't consider game balance of fire rate : damage

[old fossil]

To clarify, you mean weapons shouldn't share reserve by ammo shouldn't pool?

[unborn sandal]

Weapons should have completely independent reserves

And both get refilled as if you had no other weapon in your inventory

[old fossil]

This is the reason why the Krag has a small ammo total

1. can be supplemented with sparks pistol or uppercut for a healthy ammo reserve
2. no bullet grubber necessary (15 minus the 1-3 you may lose reloading mid-mag, close to 12)
3. you can switch from krag to uppercut or sparks pistol to 1 bodytap a downed-revived hunter

It would mean the Krag would be weakened if independent ammo

[unborn sandal]

I’ve used the Krag without extra ammo

It works fine

[old fossil]

It is possible, but it doesn't mean it's balanced

[unborn sandal]

The Krag is designed to be volatile just like the avto

[old fossil]

same way using anything but long ammo is possible, but doesn't mean you can compete with long ammo at range

[unborn sandal]

Shoot fast and run out of ammo faster

Unless you use it wisely

[old fossil]

No? How much you fire is controlled by the user, not the firerate

user's trigger discipline

[unborn sandal]

Same with the avto

[old fossil]

exactly

[unborn sandal]

You can spray your whole mag into a wall

Or you can shoot a burst when you you see someone

Just throw ammo pooling out the window and keep the Krag as is imo

I’d still use it

[old fossil]

Yes, I can spray my mosin into a wall, or get 15 headshot aimed kills on healthy 150 hp hunters
I can spray my avtomat into a wall, or get 15 1-headshot/2-tap bodyshot bursts on healthy 15 hp hunters

the avtomat is a burst rifle that can go full automatic
What matters is not how you get the kill, but that you can secure the kill

getting a single mosin headshot is more skilled and unlikely to happen due to human error than autoing and securing the kill

because common ammo is plentiful

machine gun fire increases hit probablity chance, making up for human error and a low rate of fire with a normal mosin

[little carbon]

Fact is the avtomat isnt op. Taking an avtomat doesnt suddenly make you perform better or give you near guaranteed match wins.

You can make a case that its overtuned and gives you a (relatively small) advantage.
Any nerf needs to be in a reasonable magnitude, which a 90% reduction just isnt.

The avto is the gun with the least base ammo economy already. Realistically you can classify each burst as a shot, meaning the avtomat starts with 5 shots total currently, 1 less than the Nitro Express. Its recovery is based on the mosin reserves of 5 bullets (equivalent of 5/3 shots).
The mosin recovers 2 - 3 bullets by base from ammo boxes if iirc. That would mean that avotmat recovers on average less than 1 shot from a normal ammo box, which is already abysmal.

If you would now add special ammo to the mix you basically cannot resupply at all.

Consumable ammo boxes arent a concern for that balancing as they need to be balanced by themselves through their tradeoff of taking a consumable slot. If consumable boxes recover too much they need a blanket nerf themselves.

[old fossil]

Just because you declare the avtomat as "not OP" does not mean that is a fact

provide evidence of why it is not OP in numbers

numbers are facts

[little carbon]

Simple, there isnt any evidence that the avtomat skews winrates significantly

[old fossil]

Care to provide the information?

[old fossil]

meaning the avtomat starts with 5 shots total currently, 1 less than the Nitro Express
so the Nitro is weak?
Should I also mention that the Avto doesn't have a unanimously terrible iron sight like the Nitro?

along with sensitivity in ADS nerfs?

[little carbon]

That would be on you as you are challenging the status quo.
Provide evidence that the avtomat has a significant impact of winrates in any given match that contains an avtomat.
With considerations in place as to make sure that isnt affected by side factors and (mathematical) biases. For example if someone is too stubborn to learn to play against the avtomat and is loosing more often because of that, then that isnt on the avto being op.

[little carbon]

What are you talking about?

[old fossil]

your sensitivity when using the Nitro is not anywhere near the same sensitivity of your other aperture guns

[little carbon]

Avto is the only gun that doesnt shoot accurate in ads

[old fossil]

Doesn't shoot accurate in ads...

Hold my beer, going to find a video

[unborn sandal]

I mean he’s true

It’s the only gun that doesn’t have 100% accuracy while ads

[little carbon]

It doesnt matter how in reality the deviation pans out, but the avtomat is the only gun in the game that has random deviation applied to shots even when in ads.

If thats too small, then increasing that would be reasonable call for a nerf

[unborn sandal]

Still way tighter than anything else (fanning, levering, dualies)

And way faster than anything else

[old fossil]

https://youtu.be/ktPCGLjkaQU?t=589

not accurate my man

[little carbon]

I think that increasing that deviation (x2, x3 even) would drastically reduce the avtos long range capabilities, which would be a fair change

[old fossil]

the video is timestamped with that link

"lines up irons, gets a headshot*

oh he got that on accident

of course

[unborn sandal]

This was patched

Darksight cancelling no longer gives near perfect accuracy

[old fossil]

even without the darksighting, the first bullet is still already going, whether you darksight cut the burst or not

[little carbon]

Considering that that was a bug, its kinda a non-argument for the balancing state of the avto

[unborn sandal]

Look the avto is
Objectively unfun to play against
Doesn’t fit the gunplay of hunt
Is arguably broken with the way ammo pooling works as is

I think that’s all you need to say

[old fossil]

Okay, I did my research, the avtomat has a cone of RNG spread fire
Now the question to figure is, what exactly is that cone and at what distance is it going to not affect effective accuracy?

because it still stands that it is a full auto mosin with normal mosin bullet performance and damage

so if that cone is a head sized circle at 50m, it means you're still accurate with a caveat of minding your range

[unborn sandal]

The cone is affected by crouching

Which levering, fanning, and dualies aren’t

[old fossil]

Also

I found your real answer

Avtomat is not inaccurate

the Shoulder Aim was nerfed

and people misunderstood it to mean the first ADS shot was inaccurate

so that video is still a correct representation

of avtomat accuracy

and everyone talking about "avtomat innacurate on first shot" is misinformation

Shoulder Aim is crosshair aim

[little carbon]

1. Thats highly subjective. I enjoy fighting them
2. Not necessarily, the gunplay of Hunt is what the devs want it to be. Also the avto kinda fits as it forces the gunplay to be about positioning and good cover which as strategic elements do fit Hunt kinda well. But its fast firerate does make it an outlier.
3. Thats why a reasonable reduction would be a good solution, but not nerfing it into the ground or to be sub average out of spite

[old fossil]

So this entire argument about the avtomat has been balanced by RNG inaccuracy

is actually a myth created from people misunderstanding the patch notes

Now back on the table, it's a full auto mosin that is also accurate.

[little carbon]

Interesting. I could have sworn that someone tested it and found the first shot to be inaccurate.
I believed it to be already inaccurate before that patch, hence that patch just making hipfire a bit worse.

But regardless, then we have a good approach for a reasonable nerf. Apply a deviation to the first shot

[old fossil]

But why?

RNG isn't a nerf, it's RNG

a nerf is something consistent

[unborn sandal]

Rng is absolutely a nerf

That’s why fanning is balanced

[little carbon]

Thats not how statistical mathematics work

[old fossil]

so "unlucky" and "lucky" should define a weapon?

[unborn sandal]

unlucky and lucky define fanning

[little carbon]

It makes the weapon increasingly ineffective the further you shoot and the farther away from center mass you aim

[old fossil]

fanning isn't the weapon itself

it's a choice you make to trust the RNG of it

[unborn sandal]

when you get lucky you get lucky

When you don’t you don’t

[old fossil]

if you made a weapon actually RNG

then you fuck it into the ground

[unborn sandal]

Shotguns are rng

But within a certain range you’re guaranteed a kill

[old fossil]

They are, and therefore they have a risk and effective range

[little carbon]

It wont be RNG if used within its effective range if you set the cone right

[old fossil]

yes, the effective range

[unborn sandal]

At the edge of the spread sometimes you kill, sometimes not

[old fossil]

And do we have an option to make it accurate if wanted?

Mind that all shotguns have slugs.

every one of them.

[unborn sandal]

if you’re close enough to be within avtos effective range (reticle covers their whole body) you’re guaranteed a kill

[old fossil]

Fanning also has an option to make it accurate if wanted

[little carbon]

If the avto shot deviated around half a Hunters head at 40m it would be absolutely consistent til 30m, consistent til 40m if you aim well and increasingly inconsistent afterwards

[old fossil]

just ADS the pistol

Halo competitive avoids using the assault rifles
and rather people choose to use weapons such as the battle rifle

and that reason is also applied to Hunt where good weapons are more skill expression than RNG and time-to-kill
even avtomat should be skilled based and have accurate first shot, just not too many extra features after that

[crystal plume]

Avtomat having an accurate first shot would essentially just make it a more versatile mosin due to it having the same effective range and such

And it used to be like that, and being able to snipe with the avto was silly

[little carbon]

In the end skill is only "rng" too. In the sense that even skill is just an expression of probability.
A rng gun has an x% chance to hit, whereas a player with skill has a y% consistency/chance of landing any given shot.
Good players (high skill players) will take whatever increases their odds of success the most. Pretty much every game at the highest level of play breaks down into statistical mathematics and a big part of a players skillset is to be able to either consciously or subconsciously evaluate those odds to be able to choose the best angle of play. This isnt even just Hunt related.

Evaluating rng weapons, understanding how distributions work and how to work with them to maximize your odds of landing a shot is skilled, it is just a different skill as mechanical aim, just like positioning and team synergy are different skills, that are all equally valid to become good at Hunt.
As for skill in rng, take counter strike as an example. All weapons in that game have deviation, but the game isnt exactly unskilled.

[royal horizon]

"snipe with the Avto" doesn't it have like 50 meters of effective range ?

[crystal plume]

Around 300

Same as normal mosin

[royal horizon]

oh so full-on normal Mosin bullets

wow

[full jewel]

it doesnt make any sense lmao, irl avto fired the 6.5×50mmSR Arisaka round not even close to the full sized rifle round of mosin, more close to the modern ar cartridges

so speedy low caliber rifle round

[little carbon]

Avtomat didnt exist irl. Its based on the Huot rifle, which isnt based on a mosin.
Hunt isnt going for realism primary anyways

[full jewel]

it does, its based on the federov avtomat rifle

[crude karma]

its not tho

[full jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[crude karma]

the mosin avtomat is literally based on the huot automatic rifle, its not based on the fedorov.

if it was based on the fedorov, itd look MUCH more different

[full jewel]

fair nough i suppose

i guess they wanted a time period accurate huot to the game

[royal horizon]

what kind of cartridges did the Huot fire ? Close to the Mosin ? Or did really Hunt go full "fuck it, we ball" and made a long ammo LMG

[little carbon]

The avtomat isnt supposed to be the Huot.
They were just inspired by the Huot. In Lore its based on the mosin so it makes sense it shoots mosin rounds

[full jewel]

it fired the same rounds as its bolt action variant, 303 british but i believe its a slightly smaller caliber round than the 7.62x54mmR cartridge that the mosin fires

so firin it fully automatic made much more sense hence the lewis gun during ww1 etc

both firing the 303 british

[royal horizon]

interesting, thank you

[full jewel]

yw

i mean sure soviets had the dinnerplate 27 that fired the 7.62x54mmR but it was ridicilously heavy to compensate for its recoil, 9.12kg/20.11lb unloaded or 11.5kg/25lb loaded

compared to the huots weight 5.9kgs/13lb unloaded or 8.6kg/19lb loaded

firing 7.62x54mmR outa that wpuld rock ya world lmao

[royal horizon]

I guess these machine guns weren't designed to be very mobile

I can't imagine walking around carrying an 11 kg gun

[full jewel]

yea, but still way more mobile than the most common machine gun at the time the maxim mg

it was revolutionary to have a relatively mobile supressive weapon, normally they were stick in trenches etc but with lmgs y could provide supressive fire while moving towards axis trenches etc providing a upper hand

but yea enough gun nerdy ahit lmao this aint no gun nerd channel lmao

[royal horizon]

it kinda is

I love the weapon design in hunt

but yea

[full jewel]

its a chat for feedback discussion for hunt so yea not really haha

the whole convo derailed as it normally does for me

[royal horizon]

hehe

[old fossil]

Does it truly have an inaccurate first shot?

I think this guy found the answer unless it changed again since this guy made this post

since the time this guy made this post

[crystal plume]

I tested it as well and it wasn't 100% consistent, but felt a bit too accurate than it should for the bloom of the first shot

[ocean sparrow]

Dont you love it when bomb lance suddenly stops breaking concetrina wire and you die because of it ? this is really the sh*ttiest game i ever played, game that is 5 years out should have 10x times better stability and half the bugs and glitches it now has, how about instead of releasing stupid skins and repetetive events you instead make sure that every aspect of the game works flawlessly after such a long time out ? god i feel like the game is still in alpha or something

[timid sparrow]

this... quest line sucks.

[atomic kiln]

It's got the same theoretical range as far as the ballistics are concerned, but you're right that for an unenhanced player you're really not going to be able to use it against enemies much further than that

[tired axle]

Yes the skill-based matchmaking is not working properly right now, but PLEASE listen to me and a number of very dedicated players when we ask NOT TO CHANGE IT BACK. This is so refreshing to have a bread playerbas to play with/against. For well over a year I was only going up against the same ~150 reshade abusing tryhards which made it only fun when I tryharded back. The whole point of an extraction shooter is that you dont know who/what youre going to go up against, so you pay for more/less expensive loadouts accordingly. PLEASE dont change the SBMM back to isolating parts of the community again.

[old fossil]

Meanwhile Thomas 4* and his friends were having fun playing with his 4* friends every afternoon against other 4* teams. Now every few matches, Thomas and his friends get their jimmies rocked by these reshade abusing tryhards. One friend peeks out of lair and is immediately long ammo flicked on, and when the other friend and Thomas go to res their friend, the tryhard team wallbangs the res immediately by watching the downed bounty icon through the lair’s wooden walls

Thomas and his friends are now disappointed, they stand little chance of winning matches such as these

[tired axle]

but thats always a chance in extraction shooters. The thing is, there are a LOT more 4*s than reshade abusing 4.0kd 6 stars, so you should go a bunch of matches before you run into one again. Whereas I am practically guaranteed to run into them every match. Inherent to extraction shooters is the concept of open lobbies where people of all skill level and loadout type enter a match and try to extract.

[old fossil]

Tarkov is the only extraction shooter with no MMR is what you may be referring to

The other popular extraction shooter, Cycle Frontier, MMRs lobbies by the gear you bring in

[royal grove]

If you're in four star+ elo you are absolutely going to be 90° flick long ammo headshot it's just going to happen and you have to get used to it

[analog willow]

Replying to my own idea: Or change Legendary Hunters into just Hunters, and make 'Legendary Hunters' Hunters where one of the traits can be chosen. This would allow players to "achieve" legendary status with their favorite skins, opening up more questline and player accomplishment avenues

[ashen elk]

@latent drift do we really need a compact ammo breech loader? the springfield is medium ammo and they have to make it 38 hunt bucks for it to have a place in the game's arsenal, and you can get a winnie for a similarly low price, what kind of stats do you have in mind to justify the existance of a compact ammo breech loader? i apologize if im coming off rudely here, i don't mean to, i just think that the springfield of all guns doesn't need a competitor

[latent drift]

@ashen elk i mean, i kind of saw the guns in the vids, and i saw that they werent suggested already so i just suggested them, idk.
But i can potentialy see them work as stocked alternatives to the springfield as a 2 slot carbine, that is, with less damage than the springfield, but more than the winfield, to justify its existance.

[ashen elk]

honestly if it was like a full on breech loading compact as a 2 slot but with good sway n stuff still that could be really neat

i like that idea a lot actually, a 2 slot gun that, aside from the fact its a compact ammo breech loader, functions like a 3 slot gun is a really interesting weapon idea to me

[latent drift]

oh and you could pair it with pistols that use compact ammo too

[ashen elk]

yea

or like a hunting bow

since it can be really hard to use the bow at longer ranges

[latent drift]

yea, what im not sure is which one is preferable, the warner or the split breech

the split breech reloads significally faster, because the hammer gets cocked and the spent case gets extracted all at the same time you open the breach.
The warner has to do each thing separatly

[ashen elk]

i think it's hard to say which would be better

they're both neat guns

[latent drift]

yep

but i think the split breach would be more preferable in my opinion, to balance its lack of power compared to the springfield

[tardy rapids]

In regards to what you said do you mean make the legendary hunters we have now into regular hunters? So we can just get our own legendary hunter free without any perks or weapons? Like I stated in my feedback suggestion?

[analog willow]

My suggestion is a little different. I want "accomplishments" tied to hunter skins is what I was really going for

[tardy rapids]

Horrible idea.

Jk jk

[analog willow]

I'm at 1300 hours 🙂 I need it.

[tardy rapids]

Yeah and I'd like to be able to use a skin I purchased

without addtional measures especially those not stated under the dlc info