feedback-discussion

[inland yoke]

this shit hella confusing for my tiny brain

[unborn smelt]

If the server gets the info the high ping player shot, but the server during validation sees they were already confirmed dead at that time, the shot should be invalidated

what confuses this even more is that hunt is projectile based - not hitreg

[inland yoke]

Like, theoretically both could shoot at the same time and kill eachother, like if both has 0ms ping, but it happens way too often for this to not be because of ping

[unborn smelt]

so a bullet can persis and keep traveling it's direction as long as the shooter was alive during the creation of the bullet, and it will still be lethal if it arrives even if the shooter died while the bullet was traveling

[unborn smelt]

Well a lot of people also underestimate how slow bullets are in Hunt

[inland yoke]

New army shooting bullets at the speed of a crossbow

hate that gun xd

[unborn smelt]

at just 10m a Winnie bullet with 400 m/s takes 25ms from start to hit

10m is exceedingly short

best seen during the event - try searching for sneks with the base 10m radius

[inland yoke]

Couldn't they delete the projectile that someone shot if they died right after but had a ping? Like i cant do the maths to give u an example but i hope u know what i mean

[unborn smelt]

however yes tha amount of trades can definetly feel wonky and outright bad in some cases

[unborn smelt]

sure they could but t'd be hella unfair

you'd fuck over someone that would have made a legit kill

[inland yoke]

Like if someone shoots a bullet but dies instantly and has a 100ping their bullet would be deleted if it was shot out x seconds / ms ago

[unborn smelt]

in fact that's how it was before the big trades change

and tonns of peeps came and complained with video evidence of shots that should have ended in trades but didn't

and they, very understandybly felt robbed

[inland yoke]

idk when that trades change was apparently but it's completely normal in all games that you shoot on your screen but the bullet doesnt go through because of your ping, happened to me in hunt recently which was weird because i thought their system made that impossible

mostly know it from CS and VAL

Like, theres nothing to complain about imo

it feels trash but if you have a high ping that is to be expected no?

[unborn smelt]

well CS is hitscan so it works way diffrent making trades far less of an issue

not sure with Valorant

[inland yoke]

Valorant also hitscan, but the point wasnt trading, it was that your shots only happen on your screen if you die right after

[unborn smelt]

But for example BF games have had trades for ages since it's also a projectile based system

[unborn smelt]

well yes that's just the server invalidating a shot

due to ping

Hunt should very much have that happen too

[inland yoke]

But people... complained and got that removed? Idk if i understood what you said earlier but thats what it sounded like to me

[unborn smelt]

however if the projectile was created while alive, but the shot lands quite a long while later - because of travel time, it may seen like the shot wen't of despite your death

[unborn smelt]

No it wasn't removed - lemme explain in more detail

before the trades change what happened was two players shoot at each other - Both are alive at the time the projectiles are created. one dies while his bullet is still in the air. The server invalidates this bullet that was created before they died. hence no trade happens

after the changes Both shoot at the same time, and both are alive when the bullet is created. First one kills the other guy, but that guys bullet is still flying in the air, striking the first shooter lethally - so a trade happens

Now an in validation is supposed to happen if a player shoots another - the server says yes the guy you shot died. after the server agreed the guy is dead, the now dead guy sends the info, i shot the guy that shot me on my client. The server then invalidats the high ping guys shot because his projectile was created after the server already deemed them dead

the important distinction to be made is was the projectile created before the guy died or not - not if the projectile lands while they're dead or not

[inland yoke]

In theory that sounds like trades should be a rare thing and not an issue

but it can't be because something is definetly not right with the amount of trades there are in the game

Does the server check whether the person was dead for the server or for the player?

[unborn smelt]

That's a gut feeling and not my call to make. To me it makes sense that there's a long trade window with weapons with that low velocity

[nova canyon]

yeah, that's what i was gonna say, the time of the trade window is not only to compensate ping but also velocity

[unborn smelt]

I can only explain the info the devs put out in their blogs and explanation videos

Like for example If you shoot a guy at 10m with a shotgun - it takes 25ms for the bullet s to hit the other guy - if the other guy shoots within the first 24ms, his bullets also take 25 ms to hit you - adding up to an absolutely natural, trade window of 49 ms max - completely ignoring ping or system delay

[inland yoke]

but 49 is incredibly short, even if it sounds like a lot. Like, many people play on a ping between 30 and 60

[unborn smelt]

make that 2 winnies at 50m and we're at a natural 124 ms for the traveltime on the first guy + 125 ms on the second guy for a total of a totally legit 249ms trade window

[inland yoke]

long range trades aren't an issue for anyone though? Like they don't feel unfair at all atleast not to me

[unborn smelt]

because most longrange shots don't end it trades

in CQC far more guns are capable of OHK's, and far more OHK's happen because it's easier to hit a big target

Again i can't say it's working as intended - nor can i confidently say it doesn't - i can just explain the infos the devs put out there and can do some math to show the numbers

[inland yoke]

I mean, the system sounds alright, perhaps gameplay wise everything is actually as it should be and trades just feel unfair

[tribal wyvern]

@visual moat
Thats just to much for a boss in a pvevp game.
Make it simpler. And no invisibility buffs imo to AI.

Having a boss kinda vanish & spawning a few grunts you gotta deal with (kinda like assassin) is pretty cool.

[lone granite]

Essentially what feedback is anyway. And they already think they're right. They provide video evidence that shows they're wrong and you let them know, but they'll be quick to tell you to shut up and your "opinion" doesn't matter.

It's a joke, straight up.

[visual moat]

yep! its just i thought it could be a cool bonus if once you kill him, all the grunts stays but they ont attack you anymore and you can roam the map for 5 minutes without getting attacked or aggroing grunts

[mystic cargo]

is there someone in charge ? they say in support you used third party in your game and i got permanent ban, but i dont even used any macro or crosshair program, i dont even break any rule, i got 1700 hours of that game and unlocked every single legendary why the fuck i just do that for no reason there ? please someone help

[inland yoke]

@mystic cargo Well, what third party software did you use if not macro or crosshair program?

[mystic cargo]

i dont used any third party program dude, im skilled

may be it can be a virus can look like third party shit or something else i dont know, i just want my account back

i need help

[inland yoke]

well, this is just the discord

write the support i suppose

crytek support that is, not here on discord

[mystic cargo]

support wont return fast, they returning like 10 hours later and they just told me im using a third party program LMAO

[inland yoke]

It's your only option though i dont know what else you are expecting

[mystic cargo]

dont know may be some hunt dev in here ?

[knotty marsh]

How possible to fix this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUUAKEiFmE

[inland yoke]

Even if they were, they would just refer you to the support #customer-support

@knotty marsh This is #feedback-discussion and has nothing to do in this channel

If anything you can send this into #bug-reports-pc

That was meant for Crowlander

[nova canyon]

That really look like a thing a hacker would say

[inland yoke]

If they were hacking i doubt they would ask here why they got banned as that is just maximum stupidity lmao

Like, noone is gonna unban you if you actually hacked

[nova canyon]

i mean, don't think cheater are smart, they'll try to justify themselves in public

[worthy knoll]

@inland yoke I think new bosses should not be harder and more interesting mechanisms sound harder. (if new Mechanisms are just interesting I would be fine)
Usually I avoid doing the assassin because he takes more time (except with poison crossbow) and cannot be rushed not even with sticky. And getting attacked while doing the boss sucks.

Bosses being avoided should not be the case since it's what brings teams together for PvP.

[nova canyon]

@mystic cargo do you by any chance use any overlay program like overwolf or reshade ?

[nova canyon]

The assassin is kind of the easiest boss in the game ngl

Thing is, last boss, Scrapbeak, already involves more risk than the 3 others, and Can really Fuck you UP, so i think that making a even more tense boss is not a Bad idea

[inland yoke]

@worthy knoll Interesting mechanics CAN be harder to deal with, but don't have to be. I personally don't think any boss is "hard" unless you are fully new to the game. The assassin can be annoying but isn't really hard at all just like all the others.

Then again the spider running 37 times around the boss lair before you can hit her once is also annoying lol

[nova canyon]

Assassin is the more predictable, he Can hardly Fuck you UP

Spider is straight annoying and Can make you loose a lot of Time and therefore Fuck you UP

Butcher is the quickest to kill but if you take a hit you are in a lot of danger

[inland yoke]

Speaking of the butcher, anyone else feeling he's bugged lately?

Feel like sometimes he just doesn't get staggered when he should

[nova canyon]

It's probably a timing issue, you can't stagger him past a certain point of the attack animation

[inland yoke]

Did they change something about him though? Cause this issue is rather new

Or scrapbeak and butcher having a different time confusing me

[nova canyon]

Mostly the above answer, i didn't notice anything lately

but could still be a bug tho

@worthy knoll If you want a tip with the assassin: Don't run after him, he will always try to attack you in the back, so just stand still, he'll go out of bug form

[inland yoke]

Fire (mainly lanterns) are also really good against him as they insta-kill his clones

[nova canyon]

for the clone, getting one on you and avoiding the assassin attack (by running) will end the Enrage phase it seems

[worthy knoll]

I dont need a tip. I CAN deal with him. It just takes more time when i have a normal loadout without poison stuff

[nova canyon]

i mean, boss are meant to take time

[worthy knoll]

Spider is a close second but at least you can use a sticky when u got one

[unborn dagger]

@warm zephyr ngl I like that the signee is a trait since it gives me more of a reason to keep my hunter alive.

[warm zephyr]

… I see no conflict between my idea of not making it take up a trait slot and you keeping your hunter?

[unborn dagger]

So what are you suggesting to make it then?

[warm zephyr]

suggesting signee to be bought with 2 points and not take up a trait slot

[unborn dagger]

I suppose that works too, definitely think the trait cost is too high

[nova canyon]

@warm zephyr Event not having impact on PVP is exactly how to make a grindy event

When old event used to not have effect on PVP, people where just running around in greyed zone to farm point with nagant poison

[mystic cargo]

yeah

[nova canyon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mystic cargo]

i got vortex and wemod for singleplayer games

[nova canyon]

one of those might have been flagged by EAC

[mystic cargo]

i'll take that to court, im not a cheater and crytek stole my account, this is not over here

[nova canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bh90210-donna-martin-i-will-sue-you-angry-gif-15423744

[mystic cargo]

when i ask to support show me the game of mine while im using the hack, or wich hack tool im using, they saying "we cannot give information" huge bullshit, this is clearly a theft dude

[nova canyon]

they can't provide any info for two reasons: they don't store matches, and those info are exactly what cheaters need

[mystic cargo]

yeah thats why they stole that account from me so perfectly

i dont give a shit i dont even used any tool to make game easier

[nova canyon]

Do you know what terms of services are ?

You'll most likely loose your case because you basically signed a contract with crytek that allow them to take the game from you if they judge that you broke said ToS

[little estuary]

Me and my friends really dislike boss layer campers and came up with an idea that we think might fix that. Reducing the timer to 30min but instead of instantly dying after the timer runs out, from the location of the bosses or the boss corpses a fog spreads that deals damage over time that would force players to move and play a less campy way, which in my opinion would make the pvp experience less frustrating

[mystic cargo]

yeah i know the terms, thats why i'll do it

[dense sapphire]

@crude karma (Bornheim Extended Legendary)
Funny you should say, it actually DOES have a legendary skin but it's exclusive to a twitch drop event from 1-2 years agop

[nova canyon]

Sorry in advance for your lawyer fee

[warm zephyr]

... how does your point correlate to mine?

[nova canyon]

You are asking for Event to have less impact on PVP

But it would be bad, because it's how it used to be

[warm zephyr]

how exactly?

[nova canyon]

people used to avoid PVP to farm point

and therefore.... just avoiding people and not playing the objective

[warm zephyr]

hasn't changed

[nova canyon]

it has, now people have to sacrifice snakes, so at least get near the lair

looting hunter is more rewarding than farming

[warm zephyr]

and how does your point clash with my idea?

what do you think i meant when i say it should affect pvp less

[nova canyon]

that it shouldn't affect pvp ?

And that's exactly the problem: event should affect PVP

[warm zephyr]

I'm saying that i shouldn't have to choose between spending resources to get more points or spending resources to win fights

you explained nothing

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Idea: Unannounced boss coming into long standing events

My idea is around is when there is a new boss being announced or coming into the game, instead of announcing it fully could it be released slowly over a long standing event similar to the current event?

The idea is that there is hints as you play throughout the event that a new presence has come to the bayou, with certain items etc being around the map or whatever you would decide.

Then when you get to the point in the event marked via collective points or whatever gauge deemed necessary, the boss logo will appear with a question mark, and we have to do certain things on the map to get the boss to spawn (Something other than clue collection for example)

We then find a brand new boss with new mechanics and no idea how to fight it along with having to fight other hunters in the process.

I feel this idea would be beneficial for player retention throughout long standing events.```

[digital nacelle]

@pallid idol I’m not sure a damage reduction is necessary for sparks pistol. while it is true that sawn off rifles do less damage they also maintain rifle dropoff while sparks pistol does not

[unborn smelt]

Well that would be for consistency - they said they reduced the dmg because of the shorter barrel

they didn't say because of the dropoff

And the sparks pistol has an even shorter barrel yet no dmg reduction. Just goes against the consistency

besides the sawn off rifles wouldn't have needed a nerf either even tho they retain rifle dropoff

[digital nacelle]

it’s a bigger annoyance for sparks pistol is the problem

no flash bomb kills :(

[unborn smelt]

I mean yes - but tbh i think it's kinda fair if the pistol can't do that

[digital nacelle]

:(

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@warm zephyr Crytek is making it hard/inconvenient so you buy the contracts with BBs. $$$```

[warm zephyr]

@midnight wolf just how it is. they milking you now

i personally refuse to spend another cent as protest to their asinine anti-player decisions. you do you

[balmy sparrow]

Swaffin be like

[native lodge]

just gonna be some people who can finish the event and other that can't just the way it is

wouldn't call the inability to accommodate every players time schedule anti player tho

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We need new contract bosses already.  Tired of killing the same few.  Skins, new guns and map tweaks are great in all.  But new BIGGER harder to kill bosses would amp this up.  Like no boss should be killable in two moves.  Most games I play now the contract target is ignored and its just solely a PVP.  That's how stagnant they have become.   Would love to see like a troll that that spawns in open fields.  Big ol 15/20ft troll  throws zombies/horses at you to kill you.```

[unborn dagger]

@soft river Centennial talon is a MUST

I'm enjoying using Lebel talon more than before

[soft river]

that and a springfield musket bayonet

[queen jungle]

@cedar heron The devs have stated in the past that there are not enough players for South African servers to be worth the investment.

[half stag]

"BUFFS: another fire rate buff to hipfire, right now its actually slower than iron sights with the trait (and a little slower than without), which doesn't sound right. the hip fire rate buff would only apply to the gun without levering, right now the speed is perfect with levering. a spread buff, for hipfire and levering." Yea, I noted that as well and asked the devs if it was still bugged with the delayed trigger pulls, and apparently no . . . that's the new intended rof for the cent's base hipfire. (very odd considering the winnie 73 works just fine now)

it should be the exact same as iron repeater rof, but its not

#bug-reports-pc message here's where they stated that

[soft river]

its not the same yeah

i tested it

wait its intended

it should be the same

rn hipfire is ass in comparison

[half stag]

^

xddddd

[half stag]

well in Crytek's eyes, its intended, lmao "I have checked with design and this is the correct rate of fire for the centennial in hipfire." Seems like they still got someone over there who hates the cent

also on top of that the winnie 73, without iron repeater, is bugged so that you can fire earlier than the cycling animation should allow, which means you don't really need iron repeater currently (although the animation will not have the ironsight visible for you if you fire it early)

[soft river]

why do they hate the cent so much

[half stag]

I have no clue, its honestly getting to the point of absurdity at this point

[unborn dagger]

Why does that keep directing me to the discord rules

[whole python]

Can we talk about bluescreens on Playstation right in the middle of a gunfight and me loosing my hunter with 1200$ Loadout?

[worthy knoll]

Well it does lack 2 damage...

[native lodge]

they hate the cent because they won't buff the least reliable part of it?

[soft river]

you deny the reliability of hipfire

also the problem is that the hipfire rof is inconsistent with otehr guns

in that its the worst

[worthy knoll]

It was bad from the start. The only medium rifle that cannot kill a downed hunter, the RoF was bad and it's price was way to high at start.
Tbh it still is, looking at the Vetterli which is 105 Dollars has variants, is cheaper and only it's RoF is less....

[soft river]

when it should be the fastest (without the trait) but closer range

[soft river]

the centennial is not bad

[worthy knoll]

Even now its still underperforming.

[soft river]

that is again just wrong

use centennial fmj

it changes the gun

it becomes good

from good

good to good (its a good gun)

[native lodge]

I deny the reliability of hip fire because its unreliable....

[soft river]

it comes in clutch

[native lodge]

nah

if your aim isn't better than hip fire even at close range thats not an issue with the gun

[soft river]

it should still be buffed

[native lodge]

no reason to buff the least usable part of the cent tbh

[worthy knoll]

Ah yes, even more money invested, no ammo from normal crates and loosing the one thing the centennial was outstanding...

Whoever relies on hipfire must be desperate either way.

Give it +2 dmg and it at least is s bit more reliable in longer fights.

But still... The Vetterli has FMJ too, more reserve ammo and better dmg while being cheaper or costing the same when using Deadeye or Bajonett.

[native lodge]

if cent got 125 damage it would just be out right better than the vett tbh

[soft river]

vetterli fmj is also 350m/s

which is a strange number and unless you're used to it

its hard to use

[native lodge]

it makes the vett a close/mid range monster but underwhelming at distances the cent with fmj is still very good at

[soft river]

i think you guys also overvalue the 130 damage

[native lodge]

since cent fmj is 490mv which is the best velocity of any fmj rifle in the game

[soft river]

how much hunters don't have that small chunk

[native lodge]

no 130 damage is a big deal

[soft river]

its 480 but yes

that is true

[native lodge]

oh ye

[soft river]

i use cent fmj all the time

[native lodge]

cent fmj might be my most used weapon

not having 125 damage is its notable weakness but one it should have

[soft river]

i don't even want a damage buff

i don't want the centennial to be good because "HUUURRR DAMAGWE HIGH"

[native lodge]

imo with the rof buff the cent sniper made the cent sniper really good

[soft river]

i want it to be like the winfield 1873

a versatile weapon

[native lodge]

it is now though

[soft river]

but one i can use because i can't use 330m/s or compact

[soft river]

more rof and variants would help

an aperture variant i would use a lot

[native lodge]

vett might be my second most used gun and I love both for different reasons

yeah I guess some variants would be good

as fun as it would be I don't think good to let crossbows launch frags really far

also all of those items would clip weirdly in the crossbow

[radiant river]

As long as you couldn't cook them it'd be fine

Hellfire crossbow would be insane though

[worthy knoll]

no. It would be worth its price... the fucking uppercut oneshots people that were downed once. This is a full length rifle and it has less dmg than a pistol...

[worthy knoll]

you cannot tell me that you use the normal vetterli at ranges where that matters? Its not a headclicker. And puttin FMJ on the Marksman is... bold but well... bold

[soft river]

i use the centennial at any range and 480m/s does the job

and 350m/s is not a speed i'm used to

and it really shows when at ranges

[digital nacelle]

@crude karma my guy forgot the stockfield 💀

[crude karma]

?

I did specify the Scottfield Swift

I already know the base scottfield as well as the brawler and spitfire has a couple variants

[native lodge]

upper cut should have 124 damage imo

as for the cent its a head clicker and its rof mv lets it do that much better than the vett, giving it damage too would be out doing the vett on almost everything

now the cent is the better marksmen rifle that rewards skill and the vett is better all rounder close to mid range rifle.

I use both extensively

[digital nacelle]

I said stockfield

which also has no skin

[crude karma]

Felons Six and Ten Paces

[digital nacelle]

that’s the base scottfield

[crude karma]

Ah, completely fogot about the precision. Dont know why, but stockfield made me think base scottfield, but either way, point still kinda stands that the bornheim extended needs some legendary love. Its been around much longer than the scottfield, and the scottfield has been gettin quite a bit of love lately.

[digital nacelle]

I upvoted your suggestion

just don’t forgot the beautiful stockfield

[worthy knoll]

I agree.

[radiant river]

It's probably more for body shot dmg

Longer range 125 hits

[burnt mulch]

I think they're referring to the odd muzzle velocity of 350.

[radiant river]

True

[burnt mulch]

honestly, it is a 12% difference in muzzle velocity, which is somewhat significant.

(compared to 400, which I'm using as base)

if you compare it to the actual velocity of 410 it's a 15% difference.

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[nova canyon]

@versed iron Uppercut has six ammo in magazine + 9 reserve
Sparks Pistol has 1+14
They are already matching

@frozen vector people can't hide their name, only their stats, you Can still report them if their stats are hidden

You may have accidentally pressed the Hide Name Button on the team details tho, wich is mainly a streamer feature

[frozen vector]

very odd game that I had then. I swear that 3-4 people names were "hidden" under "Team Details" and it wouldn't let me click their names and see their profiles.

[nova canyon]

Because you clicked the Hide Name Button down in the team details

[inland yoke]

@quaint silo Taking double mines is already a huge investment, not really money wise as balancing around it is not good, but because you take up 2 tool slots meaning that, if you take a melee and a medkit, have no tools like choke bombs, decoy fuses etc. It's also not too hard to see / disarm them

[quaint silo]

valid

respect ur opinion on it

I'd be fine with it if they did less damage in combination

I'd even rather have it be a beartrap + a tripmine

just for visability and also the rng factor of having to combo it like that

[nova canyon]

Where the cursor is

[nova canyon]

@quaint silo there's no rng factor, concertina deploy barbed wire, barbed wire break things around.
Those trap are a money and slot investement, and you can only set up two most of the time, just watch your steps bro

[quaint silo]

@nova canyon talking ab bear traps spawning

thanks for the reply tho

[versed iron]

I didn't mean it like that.

The uppercut has 9 in reserves while the sparks 14, as you said, which means that when playing with a long ammo rifle you get +14 extra bullets for it instead of +9.

[nova canyon]

if you empty your uppercut; it's the same

people who played avto + double uppercut just emptyed their uppercut to get a greater reserve, that's the only thing that has changed

[versed iron]

Yeah but that's very specific. In general people aren't going to do that. It's effectively a buff for rifles for half the price.

[nova canyon]

it's not then, since your secondary has only one bullet in mag 🤔

[versed iron]

And? I'm talking about the reserves of the rifle.

[nova canyon]

but has i told you, what's the difference between someone that empty it's upercut and someone who has a sparps ? None

[quaint silo]

there is tho

[versed iron]

The difference is that your average player isn't going to do that

[nova canyon]

yeah, you pick up 2 more ammo, lol

[quaint silo]

also price

also the fact that the sparks is able to be usable while an empty uppercut is not

unless u wanna have players empty it

and then select how many rouds they wanna load

[versed iron]

^^

[nova canyon]

Yeah so the average player will either have a big ammo reserve but a secondary with only one bullet, or a lower ammo reserve and a secondary that can shoot more, i dont see why it's not balanced

[tawny meadow]

Price is not really a balancing factor

[nova canyon]

you can do that

[nova canyon]

this ^

[quaint silo]

Yep

it def is a mechanic

[nova canyon]

If you can afford Sparps, you can afford Uppercut tbh

[tawny meadow]

Spar

[quaint silo]

If u can afford a long rifle in the first place u can afford either of them fs

but I would say that price is a factor that should be considered

[nova canyon]

yeah, so price doesn't matter

[versed iron]

It's double the reserves for half the price. Literally 0 trade offs.

[quaint silo]

cmon bro chill, as I was bouta explain, for players who prestige regularly and also just do great survival wise, pricing is totally a factor

[nova canyon]

the trade of is that you can't miss your bullet, seems like a big trade off to me

[versed iron]

Price is totally a factor. Not the main one but it still is to some degree.

[tawny meadow]

Nah, when i used to prestige it was not

Price is a factor when it's too much for what you get. For example, on a bornheim price is a factor, since you get a 3tap gun for too much money

[nova canyon]

when you prestige, price is definitely not a factor since you spent most of your time with budget loadout before reaching the long ammo rifle lol

[quaint silo]

im glad bro, thats ur personal experience and anecdotally price does matter for me and the people I play with

[nova canyon]

yeah, so price is a non issue here

[quaint silo]

I am litterally about to prestige again with only around 3k

price is an issue for me

I don't understand why you refuse to see that

[versed iron]

With +14 bullets in your long ammo rifle why would you even use your secondary?

Reloading a mosin from empty is fast af anyways.

That's what Im saying

[nova canyon]

Then why would you not empty your Uppercut if you are not gonna use it anyway ?

[quaint silo]

bruh moment

[versed iron]

Because the uppercut costs 300 while the sparks less than 150 if i remember right.

That's why

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and so ? Like we said, if someone is able to afford a long ammo rifle, he can afford both

So he doesn't really care

[quaint silo]

lol

[versed iron]

Bruh

[quaint silo]

mans is gonna die on this hill

rather argue a single point to death than discuss it

[nova canyon]

You are the one willing to die on your hill here

[tawny meadow]

Don't die on a hill pls

[quaint silo]

nope I actually even supported your side of the argument man

u are just being argumentative I feel

[nova canyon]

I'm probably more at risk of dying on a cliff tbh :((

Climbing boy life :((

[tawny meadow]

Stay away from cliffs

😠

Anyway

[nova canyon]

But i like cliffs

But i did Deep water solo once, and it was the most scariest shit i've ever done

[tawny meadow]

Anyway, the advantage at ammo reserve the Sparps give is not that much, all factors considered.

[nova canyon]

^

[frozen vector]

I really thought I clicked that tho? In my screen i had some peoples names shown and some who arn't? is it possible to only hide a few players names?

[nova canyon]

i don't think it is, you can only hide your stats and steam profile :/

Might be a bug tho ?

[frozen vector]

might be a bug? im sure that 3-4 were "hidden" and the rest were showing. and I am pretty confident that the person who killed me was "hidden" and they shot me from well across the map.

[unborn dagger]

@quaint silo Just watch where you're walking. It's your fault for walking right into a trap cause you didn't look down and disable or shoot at it.

[quaint silo]

ikr skill issue

thanks for the helpful tip bro!

[nova canyon]

I mean, he's right, stop pressing shit+w

[quaint silo]

love it

[unborn dagger]

It is absolutely a skill issue.

Stop running around so much and pay attention to your surroundings

[quaint silo]

✍️

ah yes

thank you for the enlightening info

[unborn dagger]

You seem to have a hard time understanding that

[quaint silo]

I understand exactly what you're saying

unequivocally

[unborn dagger]

I'm sure you do

[quaint silo]

ty 😄

[tawny meadow]

Sorry, i missed the original point, what are we arguing about?

[nova canyon]

Poison + concertina trap

[tawny meadow]

We also have a trait to see those in DS

[unborn dagger]

Exactly

[nova canyon]

I Always forget that thing even exist

Does it still shows Trap when you are climbing a ladder ?

[tawny meadow]

I don't think so

[nova canyon]

@queen jungle Surviving in QP is not random, you just have to win

[worthy knoll]

No, since you only see it in darksight which you cannot use while climbing a ladder

[nova canyon]

There's was a bug a while ago were climbing a ladder show you traps like if you were in Dark sight, that's what i'm referring to, since i don't use the trait i don't Know if the bug IS still there or not

[cedar heron]

well there were enough players to sell to south africa. Its not a good enough answer. the game solely relies on official servers we cannot host our own. They are clearly making enough to afford it. They don't get to take our money and say its not worth the investment to actually give us adequate gameplay. even the ping restrictions can restrict us from playing entirely. So who do we speak to to make them reconsider because that is BS.

[queen jungle]

The game is being sold pretty much worldwide. If having dedicated servers in South Africa (or Africa in general) were worth it, I'm sure they'd do it. And maybe it will be worth doing so at some point in the future if the African player base grows strong enough.
But for now, it not being worth it is the latest statement the devs ever released.

[cedar heron]

I don't want to know "what you are sure of" I want to speak to someone that ACTUALLY knows because as I said we paid for the game and we are at times especially recently restricted from even playing the game and the rest of the time the game is unplayable. And no is NOT an answer, a solution IS an answer.

[nova canyon]

No is an answer

You may not like it, but it's an answer

[cedar heron]

when?

[queen jungle]

I get that you may be struggling due to the ping limitations and I assure you my full sympathy. Hell, if it were up to me, they'd simply have servers on any continent. But at the moment what I wrote in previous messages is the latest official statement.

[burnt mulch]

how is no not an answer, btw?

[cedar heron]

no

[burnt mulch]

see there you go, you get it

[cedar heron]

no

[cedar heron]

None of you have sympathy. Its too easy to say oh well wcyd. You guys don't have our problem. You weren't sold an essentially defective product. Try being told that the product you bought isn't going to work properly but it won't be fixed because it isn't worth it. So surely if you guys really cared this will somehow make its way to the devs and a PROPER solution will made. AND they can bloody well respond instead of hiding behind moderators.

[wind stream]

They are not hiding behind us moderators

we are just telling you what they said publicly, because they can't be everywhere

if you want to leave feedback you can do so in #feedback

[burnt mulch]

honestly literally what tf do you expect the mods to do about it? they mod the chat channels, they aren’t the guys making the financial and engineering decisions.

[cedar heron]

you mean like how they never reply to comments on their youtube announcements ever. its only ever recorded videos so that they don't have to directly respond to the blowback they get when they make a bad decision and stick with it?

[cedar heron]

when?

[burnt mulch]

.. when what?

lol ok.

[cedar heron]

it doesn't concern you so please take your commentary elsewhere

[burnt mulch]

sorry for discussing in the discussion channel?

[hazy quartz]

maybe answering the comments in video format is more effective than answering on every single comment one by one?

oof that escalated quickly

[burnt mulch]

smells toasty in here.

[nova canyon]

They reply to question during QnA on dev stream

Oh nevermind, he's burnt

[warm zephyr]

i mean

i do see why he's upset

i live in south east Asia and we don't have our own server

ping is horrible

packet loss constantly when it's peak hour

i speak Chinese but don't understand Chinese callouts

not to mention cheaters flooding asia servers

[worthy knoll]

Russia and China having their own servers that cannot switch to EU would be a dream

[warm zephyr]

you mean region lock. yes i support that. look at what chinese cheaters did to pubg

[atomic sedge]

#game-ideas message
Title: More focus on fixing game crashes/server issues

I dont get how this has 3 downvotes? i dont get how ths doesnt have 1 million upvotes

who in their right mind thinks they need new content every week instead of a smoother and better game

[nova canyon]

Because as stated before: they do both with every patch. If you don't put New content, player leaves

[coarse hearth]

Hey guys, I have bought the Eventpackage ingame, like two weeks ago and I still do not have unlocked the skin for the mine. It's supposed to be in the package... Crytek Support does not answer me at all! Anyone else have this issue?

[nova canyon]

Did you buy the guilded path or the other package ? They are two separate things

[coarse hearth]

The whole big package man with the skin! For 2700 something bloodbonds

I looked it up, it's called the serpent moon boost bundle for 2720 BBs - I bought that on July 27th... no skin for the mine. And Supprt is not answering...

This does not feel nice, since I own every existing skin(not the latest detective skins) and put a lot of money into this game.

[soft river]

@dry vortex Title: More Ammo Types For More Weapons

Pax and Springfield should get HV and and
No

[nova canyon]

Support will answer eventually, don't forget to provide them with screens

[soft river]

bad ammo type

hv SUCKS

[nova canyon]

HV is a nice ammo if you are not used to lead

And i agree that Springfield could beneficiate from it since it has a slow ass bullet

[soft river]

480m/s is not slow

[nova canyon]

Support sometime takes Time

[soft river]

thats the speed i'm used to because i use cent fmj all the time

same speed

[nova canyon]

For a gun that shoot only one bullet, it's pretty slow

And you being used to it doesn't mean that HV sucks

[soft river]

it makes the handling way worse

and springfield hipfire is very reliable

even when moving whilst not crouched

[nova canyon]

I don't play spitzer because i'm an old ass player that play since Alpha and basically learned to lead my shots UP to 300m, that doesn't mean spitzer sucks

[soft river]

its like vetterli and 1873

[nova canyon]

And ? That's the tradeoff, it's normal

That still doesn't mean it sucks, it just mean you don't like how it behave

[soft river]

also hv for springfield would put it near 700m/s

since the other hv usually give the speed a 200m/s boost

680m/s

you would see springfield marksman hv all the time

[nova canyon]

Yeah and what's the issue with seeing Springfield marksman with HV ?

[soft river]

it would quickly become meta

for snipers

[nova canyon]

No

[soft river]

yes

it has a quick reload and the marksman costs around 50 dollars

since other hv costs around 75-90 it would be cheaper than a sparks sniper

shoot faster than one

have a faster velocity

[nova canyon]

It still has the downside of medium ammo, it still is just a springfield

[soft river]

and only for extreme sniping ranges would it be useless

its not like a body shot from 150m away would be that good

do maybe a small chunk and a big

but then they just run away

[nova canyon]

How long do you play the game for ?

[soft river]

500 hours

and why does that matter?

[nova canyon]

I have my answer, thx

You clearly don't Know how the meta works

[soft river]

hours does not 100% correlate into skill and or experience

and you are using just my hours for that

a fascinating conclusion

[nova canyon]

Because thinking the Springfield would be Meta by getting HV is really New player thinking

[soft river]

it would be a very viable option for snipers

[nova canyon]

Meta probably wouldn't budge at all

[soft river]

i think you don't understand what i'm saying

it would cost the same as a vetterli

have faster speed than sparks sniper and mosin sniper without spitzer

have a faster reload than sparks sniper

have more ammo than sparks sniper

[nova canyon]

How, i remember who you are, you are the Guy who Said free loadout sucks and then Said that Crossbow/Machete was a good one 😂

[soft river]

crossbow and machete is better than 90% of the free loaduts i get

[nova canyon]

Bro, it would still be medium ammo, it wouldn't have the damage or a Sparks or even a Mosin

[soft river]

yeah but does that matter with headshots

you aren't body shotting at more than 100m

its not reliable enough

[nova canyon]

I'll let you live in your dream World where Springfield Can be meta

[soft river]

you just deny its capability because its medium ammo and sucks for body shots

but still has a very long 200m headshot range

[native lodge]

HV is easily the best custom ammo

[keen mortar]

Imagine gatekeeping a video game by judging someone else's hours. Lmao.

[native lodge]

headshots being so vital in higher tiers of player spitzer and HV are among the best ammos in the game, HV doesn't have a damage reduction like spitzer tho, its a flat upgrade to any weapon

although I agree gate keep based on hours is not good, springie HV would not be meta in higher tiers of play but I could see being common in mid tier

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just let me see how much damage i did instead of how much damage i took its obviously 150```

[coral nymph]

I get that shilling skins is important, but is there any way I might someday stop seeing this notification again? No matter what I click on or even how much time passes, it does not go away.

[crystal plume]

You can just press the plus icon

Makes it go away

[coral nymph]

Oh, so it does, thanks!

[abstract elm]

@dull quiver I'm pretty sure if you switch weapons while holding a lantern it puts it down without breaking it, which serves purpose of "placing" it

[dull quiver]

I know but that turns them off automatically, I was talking about about having the ability of leaving them on and dropping them

[abstract elm]

Hhhmmm true

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[sick anvil]

@near elm leave secondary region unselecteded

[near elm]

i cant

not anymore

ok i had a visual bug or a bug in general, now i can unselect russia. i knew that this worked bevor, but thank you

can have fun again ^^

[sick anvil]

[burnt mulch]

@steel monolith psst, ammo box heavy melee one shots to head.

[tribal wyvern]

@steel monolith
I mean they are called "challenges" for a reason.
They're meant to challenge you, just ignore it if u dont wanna do it

@pulsar slate
Ye repeating summons is the exact point of it, congz, you figured it out.
But ye some summons could have the stars reworked, not really that big of a deal since u do it for the extra rewar

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[dense sapphire]

@trail carbon (Rework Damage Reduction Traits)
I wholly agree with you yet this perspective is considered unpopular. I honestly don't know why but it is.

[mighty cape]

brand new today, I've had connection issues 3/3 hunts so far. never had these issues with CoD etc. any tips?

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I don't get why people like guessing if their opponents will die or not based on something outside of their control

[burnt mulch]

if you're on EU, they've been having some issues recently. Otherwise, have you tried mentioning it in #troubleshooting ?

[trail carbon]

@modest oracle (Silenced Pax) The devs are pretty good about gun realism, and the SAA physically cannot support silencers. In fact, the Nagant is one of the only revolvers in history to have a closed chamber, allowing it to be fitted with a silencer

[quiet canopy]

Hi are EU servers having issues as of lately ? i started playing this game some weeks ago with some friends and we were having a blast ! , but lately the server is just shitting the bed and its not ping issues its just like the whole game is running laggy, even the zombie animations are weird , shots miss when they are supposed to hit . Its like its a different game altogether now , both me and my friend having more than decent pcs and the game goes from 120fps to 40 for like a second and then goes back to full speed , is this a known issue with EU servers ? do we have any word on these from crytek ? thank you

[modest oracle]

So what about the Avtomat, Chain Pistol, the reload animation for the lemat, and some guns like the Nagant Pistol weren't even available during the time Hunt takes place in (1895). Other guns like the Bergmann (Bornheim) makes absolutely no sense anywhere in the world since it was only a prototype. The C96 (Dolch) is also pretty dumb because it wouldn’t have been common in the US until they were brought back by returning soldiers after WWI. Also the C96 was almost immediately replaced by the P08 Luger anyways because it was the much better design.

My point is they have allowed guns in the game that doesn't even make sense mechanically like the avto, I think they can figure out a way to modify the Pax to hold a silencer.

[trail carbon]

I was just saying that they probably won't put it in because of that reason.
Avto is based on the Huats Ross rifle.
Chain pistol design existed, though it didn't function.
LeMat obviously had to be converted to cartridges for gameplay reasons.
Bergmann and Mauser are kinda stupid to be fair

I wasn't trying to insult you or anything. I was just informing you that it is unlikely to be implemented for that reason

[modest oracle]

That's fair, I was just pointing out some aspects that wasn't realistic to have in the game. Thank you for your input though.

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[late wind]

@last ferry the machine gun idea is bad. But to sell it to this crowd you should've sold it as "competetion to the avto".

That's the same logic that got us the sparks pistol.

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I'm sure this has been said before but I think the specter should have a rework. Considering the length I think it should have the same range as a Romero, which in my opinion should be pushed farther, maybe just 5m. I say this because the barrel of the specter is considerably longer than all other "medium" shotguns like the slate, terminus, or even the specter bayonet. especially with the addition of the new Romero Alamo, I don't think this would break much in gameplay, just make it so the specter is used more, and give more consistency to shotguns overall.```

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Custom lobbies/settings
Descriptions: Custom lobbies themselves have already been suggested, being able to invite your friends and fight each other in a custom match, but this suggestion is more just settings I hope to see implemented to help tweak custom lobbies and modify the game to make it more unique.

-Configurable AI damage

-Configurable AI health

-Configurable AI Senses

-Configurable AI speed

-Configurable AI density/spawn rate

-Which AI types spawn or don't spawn

-Be able to choose any compound to spawn at

-Respawn instantly upon death somewhere random and away from enemies at the compound you are fighting at/closest to kind of like trails

-Amount of boss targets

-Ability to choose what particular boss/bosses you want to hunt

-clues required to pinpoint boss location

-Restricted weapons/tools/consumables that won't be allowed in a match

-Configurable damage, for example modifying the game so a single shot to any body part at any range is instant death

-Configurable match timer

-Time of day (Maybe even a dynamic setting?)

There is some extra ones that I don't remember/haven't though about yet, but the possibilities are endless!```

[pure jewel]

whoops

[tribal wyvern]

@tough heart
Which weapons you think about?
Silenced winfield works with levering & the iron repeater.
You can search the perk in Arsenal & it will show which weapons it affects.

[unborn smelt]

@raw void FYI the base specter in not a medium barrel shotgun - its a long barrel shotgun

Its only the specter bayonet which is considered medium barrel alongside the rival, terminus and slate

[raw void]

I may be wrong but doesn't it still have the same effective range as the others?

Excluding the Romero of course

I understand what you are saying though, not questioning whether it's medium or long range, just may have been wrong about its range

[unborn smelt]

Well the long barrel specter has the second highest range, just behind the Romero and above all the other ones, afaik

And i do think it's fair it doesn't quite match the Romero in range - since that one is just a single shot

Sry took me a while - but that's how you can see the specter is a long barrel shotgun

notice the 25m effective range of slugs

Here's the specter bayonet with only 20m

which is the same as other medum barrel shotguns, like the Rival

[raw void]

ahh okay that makes sense

but I was also speaking specifically for the base buckshot. If it is considered a long barrel shotgun then why is the range 12m vs the Romero's 15m. This isn't to crazy of an increase in range but especially with the addition of the new alamo, I dont think it would break gameplay hardly at all

all other special ammo types can stay as they are

I do understand where youre coming from but I feel like the specter is one of the more underused shotguns. At least for my personal preference I will always either go cheap with a Romero or straight to a slate

[unborn smelt]

Tbh i wouldn't take the buckshot stats tooo seriously - because unlike for bullets or slugs, the stats for buckshot are just averages that try to account for spread RNG

what we can say is that the specter has the second best spread after the Romero - which to reiterate, i think is fine and intended behaviour.
Hunt usually tries to not just create a better version of another gun, so even lower tier weapons usually try to keep a smol element that should make em worth playing over higher tier ones. The Romero's smol element is that it has the most potent shotgun shellout there, but it shoots extremely slow in return.

Even the alamo is shooting very very slow at only 22 RPM compared to ~40RPM for all other slow repeating shotguns and almost 60 RPM for the slate

[unborn smelt]

And i think that is that main issue of the specter - the terminus encoached in specter territorry and shoehorning in the slate, which ended up with a minor range reduction but a massive 50% more RoF is what nearly killed the specter

[raw void]

ill agree with you on that. Just trying to find a way to make the specter feel more enjoyable to play . After playing with the Alamo for a bit it still feels similar in ROF to the specter imo, plus the added damage, feels like it now far outperforms the specter unless using iron devastator, but again that is using buckshot, don't honestly use slugs all that often.

[unborn smelt]

The Alamo is a fair bit slower than the specter - but i think the issue is that they both play the same and compete for the same niche.
At only 40 Rpm the specter isn't fast enough to just 2 tap people in one go / push - if they fight back, because all pistols can achieve bodyshot kills in the time it takes the specter to kill with 2 shots. (the Uppercut, which is tied for slowest Rof with the nagant still fires at 40 RPM - so it can 2 tap a specter in the same time a specter 2 taps the Uppercut user, ofc assuming no fanning for the uppercut... and the Bornheim at over 200 RPM gets 3 or even 4 bodyshots out faster than the specter a followup) This means the specter essentially needs to shoot then go for cover, rinse and repeat. The alamo does the same, just more pronounced, even slower RoF but even better range

so while you'll propably loose a few engagements because of the slower RoF on the Alamo, it's overall better adapted / specialized for it's "playstyle" of having to peek out of cover to shoot and then retreat again because of lackluster RoF

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[stable crow]

Please consider adding South African servers, or servers closer here

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[worthy knoll]

Which is stupid since you wouldn't need to shorten the barrel to fix s Bajonett...and considering "balance" I don't think the Mosin Bajonett or Vetterli Bajonett loose something significant like 3m range and spread on a shotgun ...

[crystal plume]

They get more sway which is more impactful on them than it would be on shotguns

[inland yoke]

Sway isn't really a stat to balance guns around imo as it is "countered" by skill. Uppercut and Sparks pistol for example have really high sway but if you know what you're doing then you don't really care about it.

@wanton dove I believe giving legendary hunters trait points would be p2w as other Tier 2/ Tier 3 hunters also only get traits and not trait points.

I would however support the idea if they changed it up a little, maybe if you can see which traits you're gonna get similair to the other recruits. These traits could change after every game, similar to how you can reroll new hunters after every game.

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and it wouldn't be fair in any way either. 8 points only afford you Doctor, some legendaries or tier 3 could Come with Doctor/Lightfoot/Pitcher, so legendaries would still be a trade off anyway
So i don't think giving them point is a good idea anyway

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[hasty plaza]

We need a way to adjust Max FPS settings with a slider that works on units of 1. Right now, I'm stuck at 72 which is sometimes not smooth to the jump to 90, which runs my GPU way too hot.

[balmy sparrow]

@wanton dove while your suggestion makes sense from a quality of life point of view, but i think random traits force people to differentiate their loadouts and gameplay to some degree, which is good

[prime ibex]

@alpine gust What, and Why?

You're saying a game should partake in the medical industry?

[wanton dove]

Then it might be an option to take some trait combinations out of the possibilities. It does not make sense to get a trait for better aim with deadeye variants AND marksman scope.

[balmy sparrow]

Good point

This might work

[worthy knoll]

oh yes, this is really something you feel. Its is clearly not just straight upgrade....

But lets be honest, its costs more so why not have a straight upgrade? The Specte Bajonett costs more than 50% of the base specter and performs worse at the main role

the thing is, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with a straight upgrade... also the Tartufai skin is too pretty too be bad 😉

[craggy pike]

Yea I'm also annoyed that the bayonet is such a downgrade when the Romero hatchet has the same spread as the basic handcannon

[unborn smelt]

to be fair - no matter the skill, high sway weapons are really unpopular

mostly seen in the low usage of shortened rifles

[craggy pike]

Obrez is pain

I wish every long ammo weapon had as much sway

[unborn smelt]

they had in the past

they changed in way back so i doubt it'll come back

[craggy pike]

I know, they should do it again. Would give them some disadvantage

[unborn smelt]

As sad as that sounds - but they systematically reduced and lowered the downsides that were tied to long ammo - so my guess is they just intend it to be the best

[craggy pike]

Sad for sure

[unborn smelt]

that's propably why they continue to be high tier in their respective weapon category, and why they always just turn out expensive

[craggy pike]

Kills my excitement for the game knowing that there's just a flat out superior option. With how easy it is to make hunt dollars in this game things have no reason to be balanced by cost

[unborn smelt]

like sparks and martini are top of the line single shots, and mosin, Lebel and Berthier are top tier repeaters, and we've yet to gain top tier weapons (including price, unlock and a fitting performance) for medium and compact ammo

[craggy pike]

At best you need a special ammo to mimick a fraction of their power

[unborn smelt]

It's not quite as bad for pistols, where there at least was an attempt with the Broheim and the Dolch - but as far as rifles go it's very very obvious

[craggy pike]

Even the best pistol is long ammo

Go figure

[unborn smelt]

To be fair the Dolch used to be a better pistol in the past, by far.

But that made people hate it with a burning passion

which wasn't unreasoneble, and smth needed to be done i just think they nerfed it too much and never changed the actual problem of some weapons being supidly pricy but also stupidly strong

[craggy pike]

An event where they play with weapon balance would be pretty cool. Maybe for 2.0

[fluid locust]

specter isn't terrible tbh. only long barrel shotgun that has flechette so the 2 tap range is pretty good. and good to use with sparks pistol to just poke someone like 30m away and kill them lol. also alamo is probably never going to be used after this event tbh lol. it needs a rework on the animation cancelling shit. like have a checkpoint for cocking like the crossbow should have when reloading.

[fluid locust]

tbh I feel like uppercut and sparks pistol have easier sway than most rifles

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[fluid locust]

my friend was saying sparks pistol had a lot of sway and I was like wtf you talking about this thing barely moves

[inland yoke]

what do you mean, uppercut and sparks pistol are really high sway and are some of the most popular sidearms. Well, the uppercut atleast, no clue about the sparks pistol but they do they same job

[queen jungle]

Player peak is in EU, so I'd argue get rid of all servers except EU

[unborn smelt]

Actually they aren't - they have the same sway as other base pistols

[half stag]

@late wind the bigger issue imo is the fact that the chaos bomb has not been updated to include weapons added post release, which is why it sounds fake af

[unborn smelt]

Afaik there is only like 3 sway profiles - one for pistols, one for rifles and one for shortened rifles. Then there's some attachments that slightly alter the behaviour, like bajonets increasing sway a little or stocks reducing it a little

But the uppercut, should sway the exact same as any other pistol without a sway altering attachment

[inland yoke]

I just know the handling stat is worse than on other guns. Also, the scottfield has little to no sway in comparison to other pistols and has a high handling stat so i assume the sway is based on it

[unborn smelt]

Well there's the issue...
Sway does factor into the handling stat, but it's not all that's factored in

The description of the handling stat :
"An abstract rating of effectiveness taking the following into account: weapon sway, recoil, and bullet spread. For melee weapons, this takes into account stamina consumption, reach, and angle of the swing arc instead. The higher the percentage, the better the weapon handles."

This means 2 weapons with the same sway can have wildly differing handling stats because they have more recoil for example, or bullet spread on shotguns

however the change in handling from say a mosin bayonet to regular mosin comes from the added sway of having a bayonet

In short handling is a weird franken-stat that cannot be trusted

[inland yoke]

no stat in the store can be trusted lol

I can only say from experience that scottfield has much less sway and uppercut has more sway than most pistols. Also the chain pistol has more than the base conversion. Atleast thats how i feel

[unborn smelt]

I can very confidently say it has not

at least for the uppercut - not sure if the chain pistol adds sway but i highly doubt it

[late wind]

I disagree. The old chaos bomb was kind of... kind of effective because the dolch and other weapons it sounded like used to be pretty meta.

They could add the trapdoor, Schofield, and other new sounds to it and it still wouldn't fool anyone because pretty much no new gun (sans a stark few examples) are even close to approaching a meta pick rate.

I certainly wouldn't believe two trapdoors were picked in my lobby. Because people meta slave so hard to like the same five guns, I wouldn't believe a chaos bomb if it didn't play any of those.

[inland yoke]

well, i very confidently say it does. would love it if crytek would just give us the actual information

[unborn smelt]

I quite literally have that info from crytek

[inland yoke]

if they give that information out why dont they put it in the store

to me uppercut still feels different than conversion but i suppose i am proven wrong

[late wind]

The uppercut does feel different. It's a vetterli that only needs one slot vs 3.

[native lodge]

other than less ammo, variants and stability

uppercut is for sure a little bit over tuned

[late wind]

Overtuned and yet got a fucking buff.

[nova canyon]

I think Chain has a slightly worst handling than base, wich should affect sway, but it's pretty minor

For uppercut and Scotfield, yeah, definitely not

[unborn smelt]

Well no - that's what i explained above

worse sway does mean worse handling

but worse handling does not mean worse sway

[nova canyon]

Doesn't it change the sway speed and not the pattern ?

[unborn smelt]

that i have no info on - i just know there are very few actually diffrent sway patterns

what i said above still stands true tho

2 weapons with identical sway can have diffrent handling, for example because one has more recoil

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[dense sapphire]

The way I describe the alamo's animations is that they literally lie to the player. The gun visually say's "hey, I'm ready to fire or put away safely" but in actuality the gun is still doing it's thing. Considering this has been updated in other areas (ex: vital shots) I assume there will be a change (eventually).

[burnt mulch]

this is once again relevant lol
#game-ideas message

[fluid locust]

I don't think that's how that works. Conversion pistol definitely has way less sway than an uppercut.

also yea chain pistol adds sway over the base conversion but not much (it is noticeable however)

[hazy quartz]

compared uppercut and base conversion looks basically the same to me

now testing the chain pistol

again, basically the same, it's hard to perfectly match the animations, but i would say all conversion variants have identical sway.

[burnt mulch]

chain pistol good pog

[hazy quartz]

pogpistol

[burnt mulch]

i always suspected but its nice to confirm. the only downside is worse hipfire and fanning then.

[hazy quartz]

yup

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, still waiting for that 124 dmg

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[prime ibex]

@queen jungle No.

[burnt mulch]

@feral timber so, I appreciate what you’re trying to say, but part of the issue is you have a lot of suggestions in your post and its really hard to vote when I disagree with some of the stuff you’re saying and agree with others.

[zenith oriole]

I'm going to kind of add on to the message above because I don't want to ping them again, I feel like it would take away from the fact we are fighting things from another world. It's supposed to be ominous and mysterious. It's a cool idea but I feel like it would fit in more if we were fighting humans and just humans because all the stuff around the compound lead me to think the boss lives there and doesn't leave

[gusty marsh]

Take one maps out of the game, nothing but campers every single one map

[prime ibex]

No.

[zenith oriole]

What even is a one map, is it the single bounties

If so I disagree, most fun gun fights ever

[feral timber]

Thanks for the feedback, so you're not as big fans of the boss hunting mechanics, what are the parts you liked and dislike? I can break them down into separate suggestions for Crytek to see what we all agree is good and bad (I would have done but there is a 10 minute delay on suggestion posts) @burnt mulch @zenith oriole

[feral timber]

I also know where you're coming from, but at the same time I feel like the gamification of the bosses makes them feel less ominous, like "collect 3 things, know exactly where they are", also knowing exactly which boss it is at the start of the game. And like I said in the post, it's too also help mitigate those games where some players encounter no one because people only prioritise the side of the map they spawn on

[gusty marsh]

Yea single bounties are fun when people actually play the game, but all of them now are one team in a building with traps and shotguns and everyone else is sitting outside with a rifle sneaking around waiting for one team to move in to kill them. I will say single maps are far far worse in duos and aren't that bad in trios

[echo forum]

that's just the game in general for me lately lol. The game has too many easy weapons that reward the guy that doesn't make any noise. I feel like player footsteps are actually too loud if the enemy isn't moving. I think there needs to be ambient breathing noise when you start sitting there

[gusty marsh]

That and crouching is really quite letting people just sneak so easy in certain buildings

[echo forum]

I don't even really have a problem with people using crouch to move and fight. More than when you push a compound you have to sprint around otherwise you risk getting domed by all the teams outside with rifles. This means the inside team just looks at all the entrances after trapping them up and waiting to wallbang you or easy mode shotgun, avto or fanning as you come through a door. Really hard to see dark legendary hunters in the buildings.

[burnt mulch]

I don’t understand the suggestion about boss hunting. Yes, the clues could be more thematic and diagetic, but I’m not sure what the “chance to be the other boss” does or is for.
I’m not sure how this incentivizes map exploration either, and part of the point of the map graying is to entice hunters together, so making people go around and explore would be counter to that purpose anyway.
Mobs already don’t respawn, but i can agree with crows not coming back. Mob corpses despawning is probably a performance thing but you can notice a lack of AI. I don’t agree with reducing mob spawns overall.
Hunting players through the environment is somewhat interesting, but there would also need to be ways to cover your tracks as well.

[queen jungle]

@covert barn The games I've played with karma/rating systems are arguably some of the most toxic games I've ever played, and the karma systems get abused by bad actors more often than they get used for good. A simple commend system would work better but can still cause people to boot randoms just for not having enough commends, inevitably leading to more toxicity

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[nova canyon]

@raw void there's already categories for perk 🤔

@fringe hinge You Know that snakes den act like soundtraps and you only get poisonned if you go in while making an awful lot of noise, wich is gonna get you Killed anyway ?

[raw void]

@nova canyon thats super awkward, 250 hrs never noticed it

[nova canyon]

It happens :')

[keen mortar]

You can also shoot/melee them for 2 points, which also kills them if you're worried about having them near you in a fight.

I have yet to have been shot by a Sparks and finished off by a snake basket... 😂

[keen mortar]

I think the biggest problem for me is that the defender has all the power usually. They're trapped up with shotguns, with darksight so they know exactly where people are and if they can just run out of the back door. They can sit in a corner freely and just listen for anyone trying to get in.

I also think Darksight is a tad too accurate sometimes. You can pin point someone's exact location down to the Bush they're in. I'd welcome a change that makes it so darksight just shows a general direction someone is in. That way you know someone is there, but it still opens up opportunities for people to ambush etc.

[nova canyon]

Well, Darksight is limited tho

[crystal plume]

@mint sonnet I don't want any more loadout slots from Mr. Chary please

[mint sonnet]

The best implementation of this feature would be that every player is given the opportunity to simply give it to me instead

For real though Crytek I will even pay for mine instead of letting chary give me your hard work for free

I will settle for 20 total

[nova canyon]

@queen jungle tournament have been discussed here a number of time and there's kind of a consensus to say that it would just be a waste of time and money in a game where PVP is optionnal and in a pretty niche game

[feral timber]

I mention that the map should still gray out, but when your dark sight to look for your next clue, that's all you've got, instead of having the map split in half, the only way to know you're going to get the next clue is to physically go to the next clue

[fluid locust]

that's like the only BB thing I get from him lol. I got like all my loadout slots from him and bought zero and I think I'm only missing one or two n ow

I don't even use loadout slots lol I just have my tools and consumables and then I buy whatever weapon I wanna use

[crystal plume]

Except that we're already had at least one official tournament before...

[inland yoke]

Not gonna call out any names, but why are there 26 weapon suggestions every day that would add nothing to the game gameplay wise. Like yeah, some of these suggestions would be cool, but those would be a lot of cryteks resources for something that doesn't add anything gameplay wise.

[fluid locust]

Because gun suggestions are cool

I still want to see a volcanic pistol, more compact rifles (there's technically only 1, 2 if you count nagant carbine), maybe a double barrel rifle

More medium slot rifles and medium ammo rifles would be neat too

[queen jungle]

@vast hare 12 players is already 20% more than what the game and the maps were made for. 24 players would totally screw the balance.
In addition, PvP encounters in Hunt are supposed to be somewhat rare but all the more tense. It is not designed to offer constant PvP fights like some 100 players+ BRs do.

[fluid locust]

Pump action rifle so iron devastator has more of a use

[inland yoke]

You see, that would a a suggestion that changes something gameplay wise. A Pump action rifle. It would be something new. But like if someone suggest another medium ammo lever action rifle, or another long ammo bolt action rifle like what is the point of those guns.

[fluid locust]

There's a lot of people who want the krag constantly and it'd just be another long ammo competitior

[inland yoke]

Even the berthier has somewhat of a reason to exist as it has a special way it reloads and it also gives us the option of having a Mosin/Lebel deadeye.

But like, there is no need for another one

[fluid locust]

Yea long ammo has like half the weapons

Excluding variants

[inland yoke]

If anything i want another single shot long ammo rifle that competes with the sparks as it has no competition

Martini is more of a competition to the springfield than anything

400 m/v is not really what you want for sniping

Like a weapon similair to sparks that has a marksman scope instead of a sniper scope would already bring more fresh additions gameplay wise.

[fluid locust]

Or they could just buff martini velocity tbh

[inland yoke]

Martini easily my most hated gun

like its cool but 400 mv come on dude

what is this, a winfield

Wonder if Martini with HV ammo would be too strong

Would essentially become a sparks with shorter reload

[grizzled sedge]

its is a sparks with shorter range

[hoary crescent]

Look, I get dark maps are part of this event, but Two months of 99% dark maps is fucking bullshit... Some of these skins blend way to fucking well into the terrain in this event ...

[tribal wyvern]

@left nexus
They've already removed leaderboards.
Whats the wrong with a personal kd? Just hide yours, problem solved.

[left nexus]

i dont care about mine

its the aweaty bush wookies with mosin that do care about it thats the problem

[tribal wyvern]

So? Let them.
They play as they want, as you play as you want.

Ppl would still bushwookie even if kd didnt exist

[left nexus]

ur right with this broken mmr system new players fighting mosin sniper spitzer in a bush a compound away from boss is no problem

[tribal wyvern]

Mosin sniper spitzer who farms kd constantly, do not sit at 3 stars, what u mean?

[left nexus]

try playing skill based in west coast

[tribal wyvern]

I do know the mmr is very volatile, tossing u up & down.

[grizzled sedge]

@jovial shell yes this is a must

also, removing kd wont stop the people that snipe for kills, at all

[nova canyon]

Yeah, KD sniper farmer are definitly not in 3 stars

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[atomic cipher]

If not for the long rifle the hunter is almost impossible to see. Maybe there's some settings that could be changed to fix that? ( other than gamma ) 🕵️

[bold stirrup]

did they remove it so we cant see how many that are cheating?

[tribal wyvern]

Yes. Thats exactly why, crytek is in secret actually paying cheaters a salary

and bribing them to cheat more

And the reason was to piss of some random guy called Finix.

Sarcasm btw

[bold stirrup]

nah i think the they sell on the side ^^

[fluid locust]

They must not make much then

I hardly ever see cheaters

[tribal wyvern]

the fact my profile has "go die in a car fire" & "cheater noob."
With my 1.49kda.

I don't trust anyone who accusee of cheating

[fluid locust]

Bad players need to cope

[tribal wyvern]

9.9999999999999999999/10 its someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking bout

[fluid locust]

I've seen like a single cheater in over 2k hours

[tribal wyvern]

ye ive played 2.2k hours & i've reported a cheater 2-3 times.
But it was a long ass time ago & now with many more hours im not even sure if they actually were cheating

had a cringey grp of 2 other ppl who died by wallbangs & were like "omg hes cheating, hes cheating, tellh im hes cheating."
I revived him and he immediatly goes "YOU'RE CHEATING."

[bold stirrup]

how much are they paying you xD

[tribal wyvern]

Seeing you ppl rage on being shit & chuggign the copium "Hes just cheating."
Pays enough by itself.

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[gusty marsh]

Yea I mean cheaters are for sure not a problem, game has good audio so it pretty much just gives everyone walls

[tribal wyvern]

Well i've seen ppls weapon stick out of a wall or window cuz they faceplant it with gunslinger.
That guy prob thought i was cheating when i headshot him.

[gusty marsh]

Yea, I'm also sure most people that have played the game lots have gotten at least one lucky wall bang off of a somewhat random shot before. It's very easy to think people are cheating but in reality I think I've seen one in 600 hours

Exploiters on the other hand are common when there is one to use, like the ladder glitch that let peoples cams be in front of their model

[atomic cipher]

Nevermind, found a solution. No wonder I got no replies 😂

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[tribal wyvern]

@snow current
Report them & move on.
I however am very sceptic the're cheaters everywhere, you most likely got outplayed.

[subtle elbow]

@vast hare Why would there be a 1915 automatic machinegun in a game set in 1895? Avto is an exception bc it's a weird contraption not an actual gun.

[lone granite]

I got accused of cheating when I was shooting a guy through a fence (who kept peeking the same spot, and I could see him through the fence) with my winfield/chain piston w/FMJ. "You cheatin bro? All you doing is wallbang, not sus at all."

Meanwhile he managed to get a HS with poison crossbow from outside the south entrance (I think it was around 40m) to Golden acres when I was in the stairwell just below the window facing his direction. I just chalked it up to luck, assuming he was trying to keep me from peeking and I just got unlucky.

I've gotten my fair share of rng kills. Levering at extract, through bushes, 60-70m out, just in the general direction I thought they'd be--hs on the 3rd hip fire. Gotten some other gnarly levering kills from a distance and I always feel blessed.

[echo forum]

the problem with dark sight is it's another reason long ammo is meta + makes scopes even stronger. People know and can sit outside dark sight range while tracking you. It makes it so the only good way to fight the bounty carrier is with long ammo.

[chilly nova]

One team wipe yesterday and my duo's MMR shoots up to no-lifer matches. Been dying all day and no change. So annoying.

[vast hare]

I don't see any problems, it's not a simulator or somethings imitating real life

And it's still an old weapon

[nova canyon]

[subtle elbow]

They want to keep the guns relevant thematically. And the Chauchat doesn’t fit that.

1. It’s a full auto gun. Would be straight up overpowered considering it fires the same round as the Lebel.
2. Magazine fed. We don’t have a single magazine fed gun in the game (en-bloc doesn’t count) and would be too difficult to balance properly
3. It’s a 1915 mass production Machine gun. It straight up didn’t exist. You can make arguments for all the guns in this game in some capacity. Not for the Chauchat

[fluid locust]

I'm sure some certain regions suffer from cheating (I heard it's bad on Asian and Russian servers) but as a NA player it's not a common thing

[vast hare]

Avtomat is auto too ..

[subtle elbow]

Avtomat is a burst weapon and a weird experiment

[vast hare]

Btw it doesn't even exist Irl

[subtle elbow]

No but there’s a lore explanation as to why it exists in the Hunt universe

[vast hare]

Chauchat could balance with the avtomat

[subtle elbow]

You can’t properly explain it for a Chauchat

[fluid locust]

Game doesn't need more full autos, and that is a ww1 gun lol

[subtle elbow]

No

[vast hare]

And?

I don't see the problem

Just

[subtle elbow]

It doesn’t fit the timeline

[vast hare]

A period

Lmao

[fluid locust]

You're a bad troll

Zzz

[vast hare]

No?

😐

[subtle elbow]

Other than the Louisiana crisis, Hunt has followed a historical timeline

[vast hare]

I just suggest things to make the game better

[subtle elbow]

Avtomat is a custom made weapon in lore

[vast hare]

Anyways

[subtle elbow]

Chauchat wouldn’t do that

[vast hare]

I really don't see why

[queen jungle]

@echo fulcrum While personally I'd like to see stronger, more elaborate bosses as well, it would hurt the game overall.
Bosses (and PvE in general) used to be significantly stronger, but it lead to people camping outside he boss lair waiting for somebody else to engage the boss and put themselves at a significant disadvantage.

[vast hare]

It's a full auto

[subtle elbow]

Because it’s a full auto gun and didn’t exist in the timeline hunt is in

[vast hare]

So fits with avto

[subtle elbow]

Avto is burst fire

It’s also uncontrollable and a custom made gun

[vast hare]

Actually shoots like auto

Mhm

[fluid locust]

Man mini guns are full auto time to add them amirite

[subtle elbow]

Chauchat is a full auto gun that was rather controllable

[fluid locust]

Where's my ak47

[subtle elbow]

So no, there won’t be a Chauchat in game

As much as I love the gun, it doesn’t have a place in Hunt

[vast hare]

So devs just wanna keep this game with old bumpkin riffles

That's sad

[subtle elbow]

Yea because that’s the theme

[vast hare]

Well

Maybe try to find another auto gun

[subtle elbow]

No

[vast hare]

But in the 1850s

[fluid locust]

Maybe go play cod

[subtle elbow]

There doesn’t need to be a full auto gun

[vast hare]

Only the Getling exist

[subtle elbow]

Avto can sit as a unique weapon

[vast hare]

Too OP

That's why

[subtle elbow]

Avto is not remotely op

[vast hare]

At middle and short range

[subtle elbow]

It’s basically only effective at shotgun ranges but is more inconsistent than shotguns

[vast hare]

Right

[subtle elbow]

Something like the Nitro can easily beat it

[nova canyon]

Avto is far from op lol what did you smoke

[fluid locust]

Avto loses to shotguns in shotgun range and has RNG where it's not perfectly accurate past that

[vast hare]

Nitro is shit at middle range

Avto is still "good"

But at short Range sure

[subtle elbow]

Throw shredder rounds on it, and it has a 55-60m one tap that causes heavy bleed

[vast hare]

And anyways, if you miss one nitro shoot

It's over

[subtle elbow]

Not if you know how to position yourself

Either way, I suspect there will not be any full auto additions to Hunt in the future

[vast hare]

We'll see

It's sad to just keep old weapons

I don't mean add AK 47

But 1890s/ 1900s guns

[subtle elbow]

The game is in 1895. Future guns are likely to stick within 1895 or older. That’s how every gun added so far was

[hardy coral]

It one shots to 74 meters directly and then you might as well extend that to like 80 with the bleed.

[subtle elbow]

Not anymore.

[hardy coral]

Stealth nerfed it?

[subtle elbow]

Yeah

[hardy coral]

Should also remove all its pen

[subtle elbow]

Maybe reduced pen.
It is still a Nitro

The sheer kinetic energy it has it still astounding

[unborn smelt]

To be honest - there's enough newer guns that adding newer ones doesn't hurt

[subtle elbow]

Not something like the Chauchat tho

[unborn smelt]

But ofc the newer ones need to fit a nice place in the games balance

and yeah, a full auto LMG would not fly very well

[lone granite]

Happens. Buddy and I began the day as 5-star playing against 4-5s and the occasional 3 and 5, had a nice day with 9 extracts and a healthy amount of kills/team wipes. The next day it was 5's and 6's, 1-3 mil total bounty, match after match (we are 280k and 340k total bounty). Lost probably 10 hunters, many in the first 5-10 minutes of the match. Got out with one bounty that day, only because we rolled up after everyone except one other player was dead. Never went down from 5 star status though. Next day, we got back on the horse and there were still 5s and 6s, but it was like polar opposite form the day before and we had a good day. Guess its the Hunt giveth and taketh mantra at work.

[unborn smelt]

enough people are sick of the avto already

[late wind]

"It'S nOT Op iT jUSt nEedS cOMpeTetIOn!!1!"

[unborn smelt]

I'm not claiming it's OP...
I just think it doesn't fit the rest of Hunts weaponry

Imo if there's to be a full auto gun, it should have been slower RoF (talking 200 - 300 RPM max), and not long but compact or special ammo

[late wind]

That wasn't necessarily aimed at you. Just at the general sentiment here: "Nothing that is blatantly OP is actually OP... It just feels OP because it lacks competetion."

[subtle elbow]

Well, the Chauchat has an RPM of about 200-300

But fires the same round as the Lebel

[unborn smelt]

but it still fires a full powered rifle cartrige

[subtle elbow]

Yes which wouldn’t be a good add

The lack of full auto weapons is a good thing

[unborn smelt]

And unlike that thing jams as frequently as it does IRL - ain't no good way to balance it while making it feel somewhat fun to play

[subtle elbow]

Well

The American one did

The French Chauchat actually wasn’t bad at all

Common misconception about the ol Chauchat

[late wind]

I was about to say. That's a huge misconception.

[subtle elbow]

Ja

[unborn smelt]

I wouldn't say it was a misconception - it may not be as crappy as some make it seem but still pretty unreliable overall

afaik mostly because the dimensions of the Cartrige aren#t great for automatic fire

[subtle elbow]

That was the American one’s reasoning

[unborn smelt]

and well a magazine with an open cutout isn't exactly gerat for trench warfare in mud and dirt with already not very well shaped cartriges

[nova canyon]

Hence why FAL-FN sucks

Rounds too big

[late wind]

FAL mags are pretty damn reliable in my experience. But okay.

[unborn smelt]

afaik on the chauchat it's the very tapered design of the cartrige that creates issues

[nova canyon]

FAL mags yes, Rifle itself is another story

[unborn smelt]

Not sure about the FAL

[subtle elbow]

The chauchat itself was pretty decent overall

[unborn smelt]

actually yes - the magazines were the biggest issue

[late wind]

8mm lebel has an aggeessive double taper that makes it suck for magazines. You're right.

[subtle elbow]

Hence the slow fire rate

Gun Jesus managed for fire a Chauchat a bunch without feeding issues

[unborn smelt]

and the chauchat was pretty cool as an LMG type gun.

germans used french ones they captured because they didn't have smth similar

[late wind]

Everyone who dismisses the FAL almost always does so due to user error with the gas system.

[subtle elbow]

Same goes with the calico rifle

[unborn smelt]

but in the end it does have a reputation for unreliability for a reason

[subtle elbow]

Well, most of that reputation stems from the American version

[late wind]

That reputation comes from the US training version in 30-06

[unborn smelt]

afaik it comes from the french ones too

not quite as bad as the merican ones tho and the 1915 model not as bad as the 1918 model

[subtle elbow]

It was the American one for sure. The french one wasn’t perfect ofc but it was faaaar more reliable than the American one

[unborn smelt]

but then again it's mostly the magazines

[subtle elbow]

With the french one you could go for a decent while without jamming or feeding issues

The American almost always had that issue

[unborn smelt]

thb i think that depends on what you'd call decent

[subtle elbow]

Decent at the time

In today’s standards it’s not reliable

But the American one was atrocious

But it’s definitely possible to run a french chauchat through its passes without a malfunction

[unborn smelt]

sure they don't jam on every round as some make it sound - but the flimsy magazines were prone to bending out of shape and gathering dirt, which would go straight into he gun from the mag

making big side cutouts on flimsy metal mags - prolly just wasn't the way to go for trench warfare.

[vast hare]

Avtomat : 😏

[unborn smelt]

Which is smth the french themselves saw and tried to improove with later fully enclosed mags

[vast hare]

Maybe add semi auto riffles

I dont even know if it exist

In the 1890s

[subtle elbow]

Later designs allowed for closed mags

And yes there were. Cei Rigotti is one iirc

[unborn smelt]

as i said - that ones there since the beginning and it's been very often nerfed or changed because it is highly disliked by propably most players

[vast hare]

I'm pretty sure I already saw some guys using winfield IRL

And made it shoot really fast

Like

Idk how this technic's called

[subtle elbow]

You can easily make a lever action fire very quickly through training

But for the sake of balance, it doesn’t lever that fast

[vast hare]

I meant Winchester

This

[subtle elbow]

Yes, lever action

[vast hare]

Yep

Like with revolvers

[subtle elbow]

Also--there was a Semi Auto rifle. Made in the 1890s called the Cei Rigotti, but would be too difficult to balance considering its cartridge size

It'd have to be long ammo

[unborn smelt]

yeah CBS or Cowboy action shooting

[vast hare]

Looks like SKS

[vast hare]

Yeah

[subtle elbow]

Kinda, but it's a lot older

[unborn smelt]

they often specifically taylor the gun for this type of shooting and often shoot far lighter loads

[vast hare]

Why they just don't add RPG 7

Then solve every problems

[subtle elbow]

We have a 1895 equivalent

[vast hare]

Jk

[subtle elbow]

It's called a bow with frag bombs

[vast hare]

Uh?

Oh yeah

I saw a clip of a dude in hunt

Using harpond

[subtle elbow]

Honestly, I really really want a Krag-Jorgenson

[vast hare]

And made explode ennemies

That's cool

[subtle elbow]

Officially adopted by the US Army around this time

And it would have some unique aspects to it

Such as it wouldn't need bullet grubber

[vast hare]

MP 18

Wait

[subtle elbow]

1918 SMG

Wouldn't fit

[vast hare]

Produced in 1918

:/

[unborn smelt]

Meh...

[vast hare]

You're right

[unborn smelt]

I'd not get too hung op on the 1895 number

Mosin didn't have spitzer until 1910

[vast hare]

But they should add a lever action

For some riffles

[unborn smelt]

But no - most peeps don't want more full auto and i do agree with that

[subtle elbow]

Spitzer was invented in 1898 so that's enough of a gap to be acceptable

[vast hare]

Actually it's not full auto

Lel

[unborn smelt]

so pls no Mp18

[vast hare]

It's semi

[subtle elbow]

MP 18 is full auto

[unborn smelt]

for lebel yes

not for mosin tho

[subtle elbow]

Yes, but the invention itself was enough for Crytek

Could argue that the AHA got a hold of Spitzer rounds and began to produce them for the mosin

[unborn smelt]

yes but then machineguns would be fine too

[subtle elbow]

Machineguns do fit within the timeline, just not in the balance. And I was advocating against the Chauchat

[unborn smelt]

The maxim has been around since 1885

[subtle elbow]

Also--the maxim couldn't be held like a rifle

[unborn smelt]

yes it wasn't but here we are with the avto anyway

C&K is from 1898

[subtle elbow]

Yes, and technically, the Uppercut is a 1970s thing

[unborn smelt]

I don't dig the spitzer thing - we have spitzer mosin which wasn't a thing until 1910

[vast hare]

Wb stem system

For guns

[subtle elbow]

3-5 year variation can be argued. Beyond that is really pushing it without a reasonable lore explanation

[vast hare]

So the cleaning tool can finally serve

[unborn smelt]

So they do take freedom in when guns are from...
But then they still need to fit the gunplay and balance of the game

so pls no more full auto - and IMO not more semi auto guns

[subtle elbow]

Yeah, no semi auto or full auto

Auto 5 with slugs already proved that semi auto is not good

[unborn smelt]

I'd be okay with whacky burst fire (think a cartrige conversion of a nock volley gun in principle)

[subtle elbow]

I'd rather see a rolling block medium ammo rifle, a krag jorgenson, a volcanic pistol, lemat carbine, etc

[unborn smelt]

I'd rather see more whacky stuff

[subtle elbow]

Hell, the Nock Volley Gun Mk. 2 would honestly be badass

[vast hare]

Air strikes

[unborn smelt]

I don't see the Krag filling a nich in need of filling - unless they specifically make it not long ammo

[subtle elbow]

It'd have to be long ammo tbh

[unborn smelt]

meh

i don't think so

[subtle elbow]

It fills a super small nice of nothing needing bulletgrubber

Have you seen the size of .30-40 krag? iirc it's as big or bigger than a mosin round

[hardy coral]

Would prefer much more impactful weapons being added. Alamo is whatever, sparks pistol was needed.

We need more medium slot guns

[unborn smelt]

If you go for the norwegian 6.5x55mm version it could be argued medium or special ammo

[subtle elbow]

8.6x59

Which is .30-40 krag which is an American cartridge

Since it was officially adopted by the US Army at this time

[vast hare]

Fr Getling gun is created in 1890.

So why not

[unborn smelt]

sure one could make it long ammo - but i gotta say im biased af in this regard as i'm just tired af of the 3+ years long ammo meta

[subtle elbow]

I am too, but I will make an exception for the Krag

Bc I absolutely love that gun

Also--Nock Volly Gun Mk.2 when?

[unborn smelt]

plus long ammo already has the most unique guns as far as rifles go

[hardy coral]

Medium ammo needs better falloff, long ammo bolt rifles should deal reduced damage within 40 metres. Compact could deal with some buffs along the guns.

[unborn smelt]

Like we already have 5 unique long ammo rifles

[hardy coral]

Silly that medium ammo starts dropping off at 20 metres like compact

[unborn smelt]

but compact is essentially 2 times the same one and a weird pistol variant

[subtle elbow]

TBH, not every gun needs to fill every niche. Variation alone is fun. We're getting to the point there's less niches to fill

[hardy coral]

I'm adamant in the fact that the nagant officer carbine is worse than the pistol.

[unborn smelt]

Meh - i'd say yes and no

[hardy coral]

You don't get a medium slot rifle with real range until the obrez (Which is the only one)

[unborn smelt]

adding another one to an already overcrowded niche doesn't do much good

we already have redundancy, past filling a nich for long ammo rifles

[hardy coral]

Add a medium slot martini

[subtle elbow]

People would still use the mosin regardless tbh

[hardy coral]

People use all 3 bolt rifles

[unborn smelt]

depends

[subtle elbow]

Krag at least would load a bit slower

Not as slow as the Lebel, but slower

[hardy coral]

For the base models it's preference, the variants make the difference.

[subtle elbow]

But it would definitely be cool to have a Pax carbine, Lemat Carbine, Volcanic pistol, maybe a double barreled derringer firing medium ammo

[unborn smelt]

Tbh i'd love for them to take more bold unique approaches

[burnt mulch]

So like.. removing the bit on the map that tells you which compounds have clues for which boss? that just sounds like frustration.

[unborn smelt]

instead of the same stuff with very minor tweaks

which is why i'd love to see more special ammo guns - where special ammo allows for far more ways to tweak the guns/weapon and add uniqueness

[hardy coral]

Pax carbine would be good, medium ammo damage curve with a high fire rate. Lemat carbine would be versatile but ofc slower than officer carbine with a shotgun that's sub par (Just a scaled up lemat in practice). Volcanic would be a pistol that'd benefit from levering.

[subtle elbow]

Medium ammo's damage drop should begin at 30m not 20m

[unborn smelt]

they could make a 6.5x55mm Norwegian Krag in special ammo, which somewhat behaves like spitzer

[subtle elbow]

That way it's a nice 20-30-40 for the respective ammo types

[unborn smelt]

very high velocity, low-ish dmg, but amazing pen. And not needing bullet grubber would make being special ammo not hurt nearly as bad

[burnt mulch]

@odd cosmos chokes do put out poison.

[hardy coral]

A krag like that which is tooled for headshots but gets no scope would be nice.