feedback-discussion

[craggy pike]

that first of all doesn't make sense, if you have loaded the new cartridge in then you should just have to re-cock the hammer if you interrupt it

yea

[queen jungle]

Go to 1600x900 your GPU is underpowered

[craggy pike]

we had a whole convo in here about that

[nova canyon]

That's the balance of the Quickswap

[inland yoke]

These stutters are new tho, i used to not have any problems and i came back to hunt like 4 weeks ago with these performance issues

And graphically the game didnt really change

[craggy pike]

new patch, worse performance

been that way since 1.6 it feels

[queen jungle]

The game is more intensive on performance than it used to be

It’s your GPU

[inland yoke]

Well, I'll try out adjusting the setting and lowering resolution next time im playing

can't wait for the 4070 to come out, finally high fps high graphics for a cheap price excluding the horrific energy bills

[craggy pike]

i'd recommend against adjusting the resolution because that affects how you see everything

[queen jungle]

In future your specs including your GPU are very important

[craggy pike]

try playing with the other graphics settings first

[queen jungle]

He said on lowest

[inland yoke]

actually, let me check

i think its on medium or smth like that

[queen jungle]

He has nothing else to mess with

[inland yoke]

definetly custom settings

[queen jungle]

@prime ibex your suggestion is bad and you should feel bad

[craggy pike]

I said i was on the lowest, he never said what his graphics settings were

until just now

[inland yoke]

Well, inbetween low and medium

I remember some of those making it harder to see players on long distances but idk which ones

[craggy pike]

prolly object quality, because that affects LoD

but i think they fixed that "bug" for hunters

[queen jungle]

Yeah they did

[inland yoke]

Could this be the case? Just saw this when i was looking at how much VRAM i give hunt (which is as much as it can take)

6gb is not all too much nowadays

[craggy pike]

crusty gaming

but with a R9 390 and a i5 4960K i can still get a stable 60fps

the 390X is wrong, after effect of installing an unsupported update, thanks AMD for ceasing support on so many cards

[inland yoke]

Just found it out again, the Object Quality has to be high

If its low bushes are just 2d and you cant see someone hiding in them

atleast from far away

[craggy pike]

true, but i get by without it, if i die because of it then it's my fault for having old hardware

[inland yoke]

Will try using everything lowest except for Object Quality and Anti Aliasing, lets see if it runs better

[craggy pike]

yea anti aliasing helps a lot with visual quality, but i find SMAA 2TX adds a light motion blur effect

but the other two don't look nearly as good and things still shimmer

[hazy quartz]

no one should feel bad for voicing their opinion/suggestion even if the majority disagrees with them. That's not a good way to approach differences in opinion.
maybe tell them why it's a bad suggestion instead of just telling them to feel bad? Maybe they change their opinion if people tell them why it is a bad idea in their opinion.
Nothing would ever go forward if we would always tell other to feel bad if we disagree with them.
"you are wrong you should feel bad!"
"no YOU are wrong YOU should feel bad!"
"no u"
"no u"
this leads to nothing constructive, only bad emotions.

[queen jungle]

Jesus christ take a joke

[hazy quartz]

it didn't sound like a joke 🤔

[queen jungle]

I’m sorry you feel that way

I get that it’s hard to tell over text but was the 2 paragraph rant really necessary?

[hazy quartz]

yes, because i assumed it wasn't a joke and i genuinely thought you want others to feel bad if they have a different opinion to yours.

[queen jungle]

So no

[inland yoke]

I mean, in all honesty, it is quite easy to tell it was a joke, but I fully agree with what you said Yacc

[queen jungle]

Minimod moment

[inland yoke]

like how you shouldnt feel bad for having a different opinion yatta yatta

[hazy quartz]

never heard someone telling "to feel bad" outside abusive situations, but i am also not a native speaker, maybe it's a common phrase in english?

[queen jungle]

I feel like you just want moderator’s approval

[hazy quartz]

no

[inland yoke]

Sounded like it actually meant "you should feel bad" but in an ironic way, atleast it did to me

[queen jungle]

That was kinda the idea yeah. Was fully intended as a joke

[hazy quartz]

intentions are hard to read in text only, because text doesn't carry any tone.

[inland yoke]

true that is, but I atleast expect that there aren't people on this server who actually think that (or atleast type it out like that)

[craggy pike]

some people can be pretty blunt here

and non-constructive

[inland yoke]

Idk I mostly had good experiences on this server

[hazy quartz]

i hope so, i mean, it's the internet there is always someone who thinks in a way you didn't think someone like this exists.
like "your opinion/suggestion is trash, end of discussion" is not unusual :/
but yeah it's mostly positive/constructive on the server except for some edge cases.

@odd cosmos the two handed grip wasn't really popular before the 1970s, and two handed shooting wasn't really a thing back in the day. Yes nowadays that's how you are supposed to hold a handgun, but back then one handed grip was common practice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaver_stance

[inland yoke]

I mean, it could be a trait BECAUSE it wasnt common practice 😉

[nova canyon]

Tbh, rule of cool, just shoot one Handed because it look gangsta

[hazy quartz]

good point, but debatable, just thought there is some piece of information missing here

[hazy quartz]

based

[odd cosmos]

[inland yoke]

1 handed grip definetly wins on style points

[nova canyon]

I wish you could just fire with you gun holded horizontal

[inland yoke]

"New trait: Gangsta

You now hold your pistol horizontally. This increases sway and recoil."

[hazy quartz]

"This increases sway and recoil."
100% negative trait except for "style"

[inland yoke]

I mean what benefit could you even get lmao

Actually

[hazy quartz]

you get trait points if you pick this trait

[inland yoke]

"Nearby grunts are intimidated by your grip and flee from you when ADS"

[nova canyon]

That would actually be cool if we had trait that are negatives and give points

[hazy quartz]

everybody zombie til the gangsta shows up

[inland yoke]

This

[hazy quartz]

yeah it makes for some interesting builds in other games if you have to pick negative traits 🤔

[nova canyon]

Especially if trait respec is buyable with $

Like, you Can start with disadventage so you Can buy Doctor level 1, and then if you win, you Can get rid of those trait

[hazy quartz]

yeah doctor not being available at level 1 is a major gripe i have with the game, not a big fan of "level up to get straight upgrades" but that's basically all traits, but some are bigger offenders and less interesting than others, like serpent, necromancer, dauntless, tomahawk etc. open up possibilities while doctor just makes your first aid kit better.

[inland yoke]

Tomahawk supremacy

Also a fan of Vigilant and Poison sense but both are kinda hmm

Not all too good

[hazy quartz]

like, must have perks which are so strong that literally 99% of the players always pick them first are not a good thing, because traits and levelling should present the player with a decision what "build" they are going for.

[inland yoke]

Fuck doctor, double regenration shot supremacy

Actually tho

I dont use doctor at all anxmore since those things are out

[hazy quartz]

yeah wish both were a little bit more useful, vigiliant is OK after the buff, but it is useful like only 1 out of 100 times 🤔

[craggy pike]

what if the medic bag charges always healed 50hp, and doctor consumes two charges at once

[inland yoke]

Then its a worse heal speedup trait

[hazy quartz]

i like to bring a lot of throwables and regen shots are pricy

[inland yoke]

2 regen shots and 2 stamina shots rule

Rad af

[craggy pike]

it's twice as fast as healing 50 hp at a time but with a real cost

[inland yoke]

Drug king i am

[craggy pike]

because doctor is just da best atm

[hazy quartz]

for me that would be "going broke speedrun any%"

[inland yoke]

But theres another trait that doubles heal speed

[inland yoke]

Just earn more money bro ez af

[hazy quartz]

EZ

[inland yoke]

Why would you be poor when you can be rich? I'll never understand

[dense sapphire]

@mellow mural (Make Sparks Pistol Special)
The Sparks pistol is good but far from overpowered. Having your reliable backup option be a single shot makes the Sparks pistol a more niche option than a full length Sparks.

[inland yoke]

Didnt read what you are replying to but i want the sparks pistol to be special ammo for the sole reason that dual wielding them gives you 30 long ammo reserve, which is 2+1 avto magazines

[dense sapphire]

Yeah, so does uppercut

[inland yoke]

Only if you empty them first

otherwise you get 18

[dense sapphire]

Which isnt hard

[inland yoke]

but it makes noise

[dense sapphire]

Which is why you do it at boss or at the beginning of an engagement

[inland yoke]

Well, you need to find ammo boxes mid fight if its at the beginning of an engagement

[dense sapphire]

In theory, it's a problem

But I've run that loadout a lot

And it's never been an issue

That added downside isn't significant

And it's not worth gutting a gun for that specific interaction

[inland yoke]

hmm

better idea

make avto special ammo then

[dense sapphire]

Then avto has no ammo

[inland yoke]

it shouldnt have any ammo xd

[dense sapphire]

Which, if you want to argue against avto have at it

[inland yoke]

I know that i am extremely based when it comes to my opinion on the avto

but like

fuck that gun

[dense sapphire]

I think it's mildly annoying to fight at worst, kinda fun to run occasionally, and overall not a significant issue considering their rarity.

If you hate it, I don't blame you.

But I don't 🤷‍♂️

[inland yoke]

I just hate that it can randomly headshot you at like 70m

then again so does fanning, levering and dual wielding

like its not op

but its just so annoying to get headshotted by

[dense sapphire]

True

But I rarely see anyone go for those shots with avto anyway

And its more skill based with avto since you do have be more accurate (bullet deviation is significantly less than other RNG firing modes)

I'd hate avto if I saw it more. But I don't so I don't really care.

[inland yoke]

Yesterday i had 4 avtos in 4 games

and 2 nitros

which also is incredibly annoying to play against

[frigid folio]

Come play oce, there's a few guys on our servers who ONLY run an avto and uppercut (probably sparks pustol now) 😆
I don't hate it, I just hate people's playstyle with it. A full auto mosin that 2 shots so they camp in a corner with it 😅

And for people playing like that, they definitely shouldn't be able to pool ammo 😆 it's a boring playstyle for everyone involved and using the avto like that requires negative skill 😅

[fluid locust]

they already nerfed it. it's far from good

[queen jungle]

I hate that there’s an automatic rifle in my cowboy action game

[rose flume]

avto is so stupid still

[queen jungle]

It’s an ok , not great rifle but the fact that it exists is kinda the problem

[rose flume]

can kill you in one burst from 40 meters

[queen jungle]

Ehh

Not really

[rose flume]

it has happened multiple times to me

so not really what

[queen jungle]

Unless someone is actually cheating the recoil and burst mechanism makes it nearly impossible to land more than one at range

Who just posted a lfg link?

Wrong channel nerd

[ripe basalt]

Wasn't an LFG link

[queen jungle]

Should I be worried

[ripe basalt]

Scam link

as a discord link

[queen jungle]

Haha

Nerd got got

[ripe basalt]

You said that so I investigated

lol

[queen jungle]

Scammers are the lamest thing ever

[fathom geyser]

as for my bornheim suggestion, how would you guys feel about it if the bornheim also reloaded first 1 bullet + then the 5 bullet magazine if the gun was empty?

leading to a 6/6 bullets instead of the usual 5/6

[ripe basalt]

Bornheim has so many problems

[fathom geyser]

indeed

[queen jungle]

That’s fine I guess? Practically it would cut down on a full reload slightly but would make loading 5/6 slower

[fathom geyser]

yes

[queen jungle]

Seems more like a nerf to me

[fathom geyser]

well you would carry 6 bullets to shoot rather than 5 in that case

[queen jungle]

Getting 5 shots loaded quickly is a whole lot better than loading 1 quickly

[fathom geyser]

what

[karmic ivy]

@jagged wagon You wish it was daily....

[queen jungle]

If you have to wait to load the first round before inserting the clip, it means you’ll load 1 in the time it takes to load 5 currently

You’ll still have to cycle the round into the chamber

[fathom geyser]

well loading 1 is a lot faster than loading the whole mag, so itll increase reload time by maybe 1 second if it was fully empty

with the upside of having one more bullet to shoot

[queen jungle]

Yes but then you’ll only have that one shot loaded unless you want to wait

Your idea wasn’t very well thought through

[fluid locust]

I'd rather there be no snipers than no avtomat

[fathom geyser]

i guess thats true

oh well

[queen jungle]

Inclined to agree

[fathom geyser]

it would be nice to have the option

maybe allow for magazine reloading with a different button

like the key to switch ammo types on a sparks

that way you can choose whether to reload with the mag or whether you want to slowly fill the gun 1 bullet at a time but therefore have 6/6 instead of 5/6

[queen jungle]

Bro this is a really over-complicated way of saying “we should be able to hold R so we can automatically top off from a full reload”

Idk why the hell you would want to nerf your gun to do that

Why even have the option to choose? It would ideally be conditional I.E partial VS full load. Why would you want to fully load a gun one at a time instead of putting in the clip THEN topping off?

[fathom geyser]

because if you put in the clip, and THEN top it off, you lose a bullet

the bornheim ejects one

no?

[half stag]

@fathom geyser in general, the bornheim needs to be reworked to function similar/or exactly like the berthier

[queen jungle]

Bornheim uses an internal mag. Clip is the metal bar you attach rounds to

[half stag]

it uses an en-bloc clip system, meaning it can run two ammo types and the clip would fall out the bottom once the last round of the clip is chambered

[fathom geyser]

im so confused lmao

[half stag]

so you wouldn't need to remove the clip if you run dry on the bornheim

[half stag]

it'd prob be too much work for them to program two options like that

[burnt mulch]

I don't know if anything quite works like that.

they might? be able to recycle the berthier code, but that'd require having a secondary ammo for the bornheim.

[queen jungle]

I don’t think it does?

Pretty sure it uses standard removable clips

[half stag]

it does though, hold on lemme bring up good old Ian

[queen jungle]

I’m watching Ian’s vid rn

[fathom geyser]

afaik, if you reload an empty bornheim, itll use a mag bringing it to 5/6 and if you want to have 6/6, you'd either lose a bullet or simply have bulletgrubber

losing a bullet is fatal for a 210rpm gun with only 10 reserve

or am i misunderstanding smthn?

[half stag]

https://youtu.be/SGNPqqau-E0?t=351 watch the next minute

it is the same system as the no 3

[burnt mulch]

from a technical and usability standpoint, I wouldn't want to have such a finangled from-empty reload.

[half stag]

doesn't it have incendinary though?

[burnt mulch]

I mean it would have to be able to have two simultaneous ammo types to work the same way as the berthier does in terms of saving ammo.

[burnt mulch]

just have more reserve ammo instead of this weird case-by-case alternate reload thing.

[half stag]

I'm not quite sure I follow, wouldn't it be fine if they could just recycle the berthier code, like you said, and just have the animation be the hunter pulling out the clip and then putting in the other clip with the alternative ammo type? (and bornheim has high velocity, incendinary ammo). I might be missing something, so feel free to correct me.

[burnt mulch]

I'm just saying that the bornheim would need to be able to have 2 ammo types at once, like the berthier does. You can currently only bring one ammo type. And you would have to split the already anemic ammo.
besides, nobody ever actually uses that feature to save ammo anyway.

I'm not sure if you can pull out a loaded round from the bornheim either.

[half stag]

For your first point, well yea obviously. Second, yea it needs a ammo reserve buff.

[burnt mulch]

like, I think the only way to get the bornheim's loaded ammo out is to eject it.

(the one shot it's about to shoot, not the rest of it in the clip)

[half stag]

question then would be would it need bulletgrubber to work or would they just say "f consistency" and just have the hunter be smart and put his hand over the ejection port

or they just slowly open the "slide" and pop the round out?

[burnt mulch]

just give it more reserve ammo and fuck saving the bullet, imo.

[half stag]

lol

[burnt mulch]

the 1-ammo, empty-mag suggestion is pretty elegant so im ok with that

but otherwise, leaky gun is ok

[half stag]

also since we're on the bornheim, it kinda feels like they had coding limitations or something back when they added it, along with the lebel, cause the lebel also has similar mechanical oddities, when it should function like some of the more recently added guns, ie terminus, as to get 10 rounds, you would need to load 8 into the tube, one on the elevator, then one in the chamber. This would also allow them to give the lebel more reserve ammo given how piss-poor its ammo pick up rate is

[burnt mulch]

wait, what's weird with the lebel?

[half stag]

reread it

y'know how the terminus to max load it from empty, the hunter puts 5 in the tube, one on the elevator, and then one in the chamber to get 7 total

[burnt mulch]

right, but how would that give the lebel more reserve ammo?

[half stag]

The lebel would normally be loaded with 8 in the tube, and you can gimmick load it by putting one on the elevator and one in the chamber. As a result, you can move those two bullets that would normally be in the gun to the ammo reserve as you would need to reload it to full at the start of a match, letting it have slightly more reserve ammo.

[junior prism]

I feel like the devs probably have the ability to just change how much ammo you get with lebel

[inland yoke]

@fathom geyser Perhaps not X but just press R for a quick clip reload and Hold R for a slow but full reload

[queen jungle]

You have no idea, even something as simple as a value change can seriously break things

[junior prism]

No, I understand that perfectly well.

[fathom geyser]

that would work too

[queen jungle]

Why does it even need to be changed

of all the things wrong with the bornyboi

It's just an objectively worse officer nagant

[fathom geyser]

i literally wrote why multiple times

anyway

[queen jungle]

Yeah but your reasoning doesn't really

Tackle the problems the bornheim has

it's making a problem out of a non-issue and trying to "Fix" something that doesn't need to be

[inland yoke]

The suggestion isnt to fix the bornheims problems

its to give it some quality of life change

[queen jungle]

I already kinda went over why I think the change is actually worse on paper than the current borny

Long and short me no likey

Bornheim needs justice, but that ain't it

[inland yoke]

You didnt tho

[queen jungle]

BRO

[inland yoke]

What do you mean the change is "worse" than the current bornheim

It would literally be a quality of life change to save a bullet

[queen jungle]

Nah nah nah nah nah

[queen jungle]

"no u didnt'

[inland yoke]

But like

loading only 1 shot is the point if you cancel it no?

Or am i not getting something here

[queen jungle]

How is that QoL as opposed to loading a stripper clip? The difference between a single round and a clip is very, very small, and there are almost no situations in which you'd rather have less ammo

If you're at the point you're loading a single round because you need the single shot damage that badly, just like, switch your gun

If you're full empty then that's kinda your fault

It doesn't make any sense as to how that's any better

[inland yoke]

But wasn't this whole thing about the stripper clip essentially missing a bullet and when you reload you lose a bullet to load it in no?

[queen jungle]

Bullet grubber

We have a perk for that

[inland yoke]

A perk to circumvent something that shouldnt be a thing in the first place.

I can only compare it to tarkov in which you also have more reload options, i dont know why it would be such a big deal in hunt.

[queen jungle]

Then why not suggest changing that then adding an over-complicated system that ends up nerfing the gun?

[inland yoke]

I still don't get where this change would nerf the gun tbh. You could always reload with a stripper clip, it just gives you the option to reload bullet by bullet.

[queen jungle]

It's just a pointless suggestion

[rose flume]

the suggested system is overcomplicated and solves a very niche problem

[inland yoke]

Then give a better solution to it other than saying "bulletgrubber"

[queen jungle]

It doesn't do anything functionally that's any different from just running bulletgrubber, devalues bulletgrubber, requires an overly complicated reload system

[queen jungle]

But there's no "solution", the problem doesn't exist

It's not a problem

[inland yoke]

Logically speaking, it is a problem

it may not be one gameplay wise, but it doesnt make sense to load a stripper clip when you dont have to

as bullet by bullet would be more efficient

[queen jungle]

IF you don't have a perk that already fixes the proposed "problem"

There's no reason to add a complicated optional reloading system, the "problem" can already be "fixed" by a perk that's been in the game for ages

It would still be faster to load a stripper clip and top off with 1 round with bullet grubber anyways

[inland yoke]

Again, this is not a gameplay problem but I feel like you dont want to understand that. There is no reason for bulletgrubber to be the answer to this. You shouldn't be forced to use a Stripper Clip if it leaves you at a disadvantage. Our Hunter could just load the gun bullet by bullet when he has the time. I don't get why this is such a big deal.

And like, this isn't even a "complicated system"

You just hold R for a slow reload, many more realistic games have multiple ways to reload for multiple reasons.

I would get that this is Irrelevant for the Mosin and Dolch as there is no reason to not use the Stripper clip there, but the bornheim actually has a valid reason for the stripper to be optional

[queen jungle]

It doesn't leave you at a disadvantage, though.

[inland yoke]

You literally have 1 bullet less in the gun for no reason

[queen jungle]

Okay, but this isn't a realistic game

It might shock you, but when you boot up the game it says "Hunt Showdown"

Not "escape from tarkov"

[inland yoke]

If this isnt a realistic game then why is every single gun a gun that actually exists, renamed or not

it's clearly based on actual guns

[queen jungle]

Bruh you've got to be joking

[queen jungle]

Every gun in Call of Duty Black Ops 1 is based on a gun that actually existed, so clearly it was made to be a realistic game

Lmao what a joke 🤡

[inland yoke]

Then define realistic game for me lmao

[half stag]

https://www.tckpublishing.com/suspension-of-disbelief/ I'm just going to post this here for all those people that are like "realism doesn't matter, there are zombies xd"

and also, they clearly do care about it as when they changed the reload logic of the lebel and mosin, they touted it as a realism change

[half stag]

and ontop of that, they don't even bother to change the history of each irl gun in the book of weapons' descriptions

[queen jungle]

That doesn't fucking mean we have to accept every suggestion touted as a "realistic suggestion" now does it?

[half stag]

obviously not, damn man, calm down

that's like saying we should make the nitro prevent you from getting rezzed, cause in reality, you would be turned into minced meat from one torso shot

I just don't see the problem of adding an alternative way of reloading when it won't negatively affect the game, and just allow more options

[queen jungle]

Developer resources

[half stag]

okay, fair point, I'll give you that

[queen jungle]

Developer resources to create an alternate reload that doesn't actually do anything but make you reload slower and saves 1 bullet without bullet grubber

[dense sapphire]

Speaking of that change, it was utterly stupid

[queen jungle]

Total waste of time and effort

[dense sapphire]

The reload logic change was actually the most stupid anything I've ever seen in this game

[queen jungle]

Realism<Gameplay, always (except for milsim, but Hunt isn't a sim)

[dense sapphire]

It's been over a year and I'm still completely pissed they did it

[half stag]

cause it invalidates bulletgrubber or?

[inland yoke]

Thats why the channel is called "suggestion" and not "Cryreks to-do list". Similar to the reload logic change, this is something they can do when they have spare ressources in the "needed department"

[queen jungle]

That's cool and all but I don't have to agree with you

[dense sapphire]

They buffed the mosin and lebel for realism

They

BUFFED

the mosin and lebel

For the sake of realism

[half stag]

oh, one of those, agree to disagree then

I dislike long ammo as much as the next person but I think there are bigger problems than just those two

[dense sapphire]

They buffed the best weapons in the game for the sake of realism

[inland yoke]

You dont have to, your reasoning is just not logical

[queen jungle]

More logical than the reasoning for adding alternate reloading for the bornheim

[dense sapphire]

I don't hate long ammo

I hate the idea that they buffed the two best guns in the entire game

For the sake

Of realism

[queen jungle]

Long ammo is definitely a bit much rn, honestly

[half stag]

on the brightside of that change, at least it affects other guns besides those two

[dense sapphire]

Doesnt matter

[half stag]

prob just a symptom of crytek's hardon for consistency

like I said "agree to disagree"

[dense sapphire]

It was such an utterly incomprehensibly stupid change

That I am actually still PISSED about to this day

[queen jungle]

Constructive language friend

[dense sapphire]

I don't want to get banned

[inland yoke]

First you talk bs by saying "it would nerf the gun" which it clearly wouldnt and now you just bash the suggestion for any reasons you can find instead of giving actual constructive advice

[queen jungle]

I gave you reasoning, before you ever even joined the convo, and when I linked it you didn't read it

I don't know what more you want from me

Don't have much interest in talking to you anymore, though

[inland yoke]

I literally read it and your point makes no sense, all you say is "it doesnt need the change" lmao

[queen jungle]

I'm still tryna figure out how that link responds to the quoted comment at all

If anything would it not be the other way around?

Suspension of disbelief is an argument for not being 100% realistic

[half stag]

I linked it cause there's already a precedent for realistic mechanics to be had in game, and it does not invalidate all criticism that can be levied against mechanics that don't line up with the rules of Hunt, lest the "immerson" aka suspension of disbelief be broken.
"Being realistic with elements that exist in reality and are added to the story. For example, if horses exist in the story, then they must behave like horses do in real life, unless specified otherwise. So it’s a no-no to portray a horse as traversing an entire continent within a day because it’s simply impossible in reality. If it were a magical horse though…" This is the specific quote that puts my point across.

In the world of Hunt, with the way the writers have laid it out, it makes sense how and why supernatural creatures exist, on the flip side, the way they have set up how firearms and the human world work, makes it subject to our notions of how guns work irl, with some leeway in certain fictional creations, albeit still subject to these rules (such as the avto)

there's also the gameplay notion, which is how we, the players suspend our disbelief, as we know we are playing the "game version"

when that disbelief breaks though is up to each individual

[queen jungle]

That wasn't relevant to the discussion, then.

[half stag]

F

[inland yoke]

Suddenly its "not relevant" man this is what i mean youre a comedian xd

[warm zephyr]

@last ferry primary weapons means 3 slot weapons. overall the idea isn't unimaginable but it's definitely not an obvious addition. I think you could work on the wording on that suggestion.

[warm bear]

This whole pull ur gun out to melee and run slower shit it dumb AF, i don't understand what you are trying to accomplish with this mechanic

[queen jungle]

What

[burnt mulch]

???

[queen jungle]

Since when did you move slower from pulling out a gun???

[burnt mulch]

this aint cs go

[queen jungle]

Counter Strike wasn't even the first game to do that smh

[last ferry]

yeah i think you may be right, looking at it now i dont think people understand that you still get only 4 "points" worth of guns with my suggestion

[warm bear]

to melee it won't let me add that in lol

[burnt mulch]

ok boomer

[burnt mulch]

still, what are you talking about

[jaunty falcon]

Let's keep the discussion respectful please.

[warm bear]

when u pull ur gun to melee u run slower then other players

[warm zephyr]

i do like to entertain the idea of sacrificing 2 tool slots to bring in a 1 slot weapon with reduced ammo but the versatility may be a problem

[burnt mulch]

uh. no you dont?

[warm bear]

um yes u do

[dense sapphire]

no

[warm bear]

loaded in to a trios and chased each other and u run slower if ur going to melee with the everything but the Martini Bayonet

[queen jungle]

No, you do not. You run at the exact same speed when holding a melee attack.

[warm bear]

no u don't

[queen jungle]

Yes, you do

@jaunty falcon Ey yo we got a troll

[warm bear]

how am I trolling?

I Told u how I tested it

have u tried?

[burnt mulch]

i mean, we’re telling you thats not how it works.

you’re free to post evidence to the contrary.

ok so you tested it. got proof?

record a video

if you do run slower, then its a bug

[warm bear]

ya we ran a trios and ran beside each other and frame counted ur slower with a melee gun out

[burnt mulch]

am i supposed to take your word for it?

[queen jungle]

And your source is just "trust me bro"?

I trust the numerous people with 200+ hours telling you that you're wrong

[warm bear]

I didn't say that but ur telling me to just trust you

so?

[queen jungle]

You made the claim, you provide proof

It's not our job to disprove you, it's your job to prove your claim

If you can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do run slower with a melee held wound up, I'll eat my sentimental silver dollar from my gramps and gram before they passed away

[warm bear]

am I asking others to try and see if they come up with the same result but ur jumping down my throat without letting me post the 2nd part

[burnt mulch]

we don't even know if you came up with that result.

[queen jungle]

You've shown us nothing to suggest that you're not just trolling

[burnt mulch]

I mean, I've noticed no difference, personally.

so

[queen jungle]

293 hours, have not noticed a difference, nobody has ever asserted that there is a difference around me before, I have no reason to believe there is one

[warm bear]

thank you but I am asking for feedback on this I mean thats what this is for

[burnt mulch]

well, first of all, the feedback is generally first posted in #feedback

[queen jungle]

You're looking for #game-questions

I think

I don't know

[burnt mulch]

questions on how things work go in #game-questions

and I am discussing your feedback.
it's "are you sure about that? because I don't experience that"

[queen jungle]

Idk he seemed pretty adamant that we were wrong, I don't think he'd listen to them either

[warm bear]

I have over 1200 Hours and this is what I ahve noticed, tested it and wanted to know if others have this issue as well

[burnt mulch]

I haven't noticed it.

[warm bear]

this way if I missed something in patch notes or something changed someone could tell me

[queen jungle]

If you are running slower wound up with melees, it is a bug

You need to record PROOF, and report it in #bug-reports-pc

Did they remove Xbox/PS bug report channels?

[burnt mulch]

basically, the way you posted it was "this intended mechanic that exists in the game is dumb"
and we said "it doesn't exist" and "it's not intended".

I think that xbox/ps bug channels are only accessible if you have the role for it.

[queen jungle]

Ahh

[burnt mulch]

in the future, it would probably avoid misunderstandings if you said something like
"Hey, I'm running slower with a charged melee with my gun out, is this new?"

[warm bear]

well I hit enter and it posted without me editing what I wanted to say then u jumped at me lol

as I was trying to re write what I wanted to say

long story short, there was ne patch may be a bug, will get the others to record the findings and submit them

[burnt mulch]

gonna be honest, I'd have the same reaction to your edited post as the original. it has the same tone.

but yeah, do submit a report if you're experiencing it

though they probably can't do much without a recording or more info either.

[warm bear]

then "u need to relax, its just a game bro" should have been said to me lol but none the less off to get it Have a good night

[queen jungle]

The edited part looks exactly the same?

What's different?

[burnt mulch]

@median dune ... when have they done that?

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[tribal wyvern]

Wow so agressive man.
The steep price is hardly the only way to balance guns out.
And romero slugs is only 238dollars, not even that bad.

But again, there'd be no reason to run a crossbow period, if it was equally good as slugs. Slugs has alot of advantages, far to many to accept just a 200 hunt dollar increase. So if they'd have same killrange, it would be practically useless to run a crossbow.

It needs to reward a good aim & have that range advantage. I mean play crossbow yourself if you think its so broken, spoiler, you won't be killing ppl at 30+m often.

They had to buff Crossbow because it was so bad before.

It used to be closer to 20m in order to oneshot, but was increased to around 30m.

And tbh some shotguns can even 2 tap at 40m with slugs.
So they're even outranging it.

[fluid locust]

Crossbow also can't wallbang

Unless you use shotbolt and even then it's pretty shit wallbang

[nova canyon]

Well, shotbolt wallbang is the best wallbang of the game

[frigid folio]

I don't think it's a "supports cheating" thing, I think most people (myself included) down voted it because it's just plain and simply not a good idea?

Like why waste the time and effort of coding for all that instead of on fixing issues in the game. That's why I downvoted it at least. Just seems like a waste of resources on something that after the first time you'd get sick of and find a nuisance more than anything else. If you ever even heard it, Crytek and hunt aren't exactly known for swinging the ban hammer around 😅

[wind stream]

@queen jungle Keep #game-ideas for serious ideas

[normal horizon]

Crytek and hunt aren't exactly known for swinging the ban hammer around

that is all just based on people's assumptions. Cheaters have been and continue to be banned 🙂

[frigid folio]

Oh for sure! I definitely should of clarified myself that's my bad!

They do ban cheaters, sometimes it might take them a bit to catch up to them but they get them eventually!

I think a big reason why people think cheaters don't get banned is more often than not people landing lucky shots that they themselves were like "omg what a lucky shot!!" But to the person dying it seems like hacks or something 😅 and then obviously they don't get banned because they weren't cheating. Which gives the impression to the person dying if lucky shots are happening enough that cheaters are running rampant in hunt 😅 I personally have only ever come across 1 person where I was 100% sure they were hacking, everyone else could of just been a lucky shot 💁‍♂️
You're all still sus though 🤪😉

[little carbon]

@bitter frost What do you even mean? There is no RNG manipulating mechanic in this game

[nova canyon]

Cheater reported trough customer support with evidence are banned faster than those reported trough the game (Probably because it's cloged UP by people reporting everyone that kill them) , but they do get banned @frigid folio

@upper sierra Death pose look like that and is the same for everyone for two reason, first is the reason that you seem to Know, the reason WE don't get Ragdoll: because death IS server sided and body has to be in the same position for everyone

The other is because death pose give you informations about the Killer. Your hunter Always fall in the opposite direction of the Killer.
It's not that game doesn't Know what to do with side kills, game exactly Know what to do: put feet pointing to the killer

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Idea for a new Boss type
 "Gun Jesus"
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It looks like an SCP weeping angel status of Jesus curcuified on a cross with many guns floating around it (either by flesh tendrils or ghostly projections) covering various angles to protect it with a blindspot.

The boss is designed to be loud to engage but masks intel because it has so many different types of guns. Basically, the boss is hide and seek, to approach from a blindspot that is periodically swept by its guns. It takes massive damage from headshots and melee so you can go for the former if you are rushing. However, it is very deadly and while it takes awhile to aim, it will always fire a shot from its numerous guns if it spots you for just long enough for you to aim and shoot it. However, because itself shoots such a variety of guns, it's hard to tell your loadout intel from approaching teams.
Whenever it rages, it will teleport and reset the engagement. Because it is mostly stationary, it is hard to tell if it dead and is a trap or active.

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[upper sierra]

I think you tagged the wrong person 😅

@rigid plinth is the person who posted about death poses

I posted about the variant unlocking for each prestige, which I am curious to hear the thoughts of those who downvoted it. Just don’t be an a-hole about it, keep it civil

[queen jungle]

@odd cosmos Such contests were done for previous birthdays of Hunt, the top three guns got implemented into the game.

[odd cosmos]

[queen jungle]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/third-anniversary-weapon-skin-contest

[queen jungle]

Man you took that way too seriously

Writing an essay to disprove a joke lmfao

[alpine burrow]

@hazy pagoda
Something like this maybe? Did suggest a while ago, they were made from old rifle stocks and fit the time period?

[hazy pagoda]

Maybe something like that. Fun fact baseball was around during 1895 so a litteral baseball bat could be a weapon

[alpine burrow]

Saw the war club on forged in fire looks nice

[crystal plume]

@lucid mist Please change your suggestion to be a bit less... spammy

[lucid mist]

ok ill just do 10 then :(

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♾️  suggestion regarding summons: "auto repeat chosen summons" ♾️ 

✅  I wish we had the option to just set certain summons to "repeating".
What I mean is, that a summon/mission that just got completed will automatically be chosen again, so that we don´t have to manually replace empty summon-slots again and again. 

♾️  I would probably put one or two of the "easy"/more common missions on repeating, so that I would have a slow but constant increasy in points, while using my second/third slot for a more challenging mission manually.

❌  But having to replace empty summon-slots again and again is annoying and often gets forgotten.

Even more player-friendly would be, that ALL missions are active at the same time, so we don´t have to choose a missions at all, but I don´t think Crytek is down for that, sadly...```

[nova canyon]

@fringe quiver Asking for an auto repeat of the summon is just against the principle of the multiple summons. The point is to add variety in challenge, not to grind the same all over again

[fringe quiver]

@nova canyon sure I get the point of added variety, but what actually happens is, that many players either ignore summons, because you have to change missions constantly or just manually re-select the same missions over and over again, because some just cannot be done or don´t fit the playstyle. That way you already get "punished" because you dont get the extra rewards for completing as many different missions as possible and you dont get as many points as you would get for completing the more difficult quests... I think theese two trade-offs are enough already. An auto-repeat option just saves time for many players and saves "lost" rounds of progress if you forget replacing empty slots before you jump into a match.

[nova canyon]

The point of the summon is actually to get out of your confort zone, the "It doesn't fit your playstyle" is just copium

[fringe quiver]

so you are against a very simple quality-of-life change because that would not be "hardcore" enough? I understand that regarding actual gameplay, but adding a simple option for many players in the menu is a no-brainer and just helps. you were probably also against loadout-presets because you should "change up your gear every time". And what happened: it came and it helps many people, but many people still change up their gear every match. So just a positive effect for many and NO negative effect at all. Same would apply for adding the OPTION to make certain missions repeating. I would still change up many of them, but having one or so on auto-repeat, would save time and nerves.

[nova canyon]

it's not a quality of life change, is just assistance for people who like to grind the one star challenge because they are too affraid to do something hard

Having a sound to remind you to take summon is enough

[fringe quiver]

both would still complement each other and help, why not both. I would still try many difficult missions.

[nova canyon]

you know that the point of a challenge is to challenge yourself right ? An auto repeat would just be an incentive to grind the same easy challenge

[fringe quiver]

you could also put the most difficult or fun challenge on auto repeat 😉

[nova canyon]

yeah but that's not what you are asking

You are asking to put easy challenge on repeat so you can kill 320 grunt for 10 stars because you are too afraid to play a weapon that "doesn't fit your play style"

wich is against the principle of challenges

[fringe quiver]

I am asking for a quality of life change and stated the reason that would probably help most players in the way that they are using summons right now, but it would obviously also help the players that like to challenge themselves. you are against the way that I or many people would use the option, not really again the option itself, right? I understand that.

maybe I was wrong and most players choose the most difficult challenges, but they could put their favourite challenge on repeat aswell

[nova canyon]

i'm against the option, because it's plainly just asking for an easy mode

[fossil frost]

More time clicking through menus=/= difficulty

[fringe quiver]

but isn´t the point of a menu/Ui to be as easy as possible? the game itself shall stay hardcore, but a hardcore menu would be bad in my opinion 😄

[fringe quiver]

totally!

[nova canyon]

that's why a sound or a more clear "you are missing summons" message is enough

Let's not encourage crouchwalker that pee themselves when it start shooting to stay that way

[fringe quiver]

Then you would still have to manually re-select the mission, that helps against forgetting to choose a new mission but not against saving time

[fossil frost]

The option to kill people with an ammo box isn't going to change the way people play, even if they are super aggressive players killing a bunch immolators and some specific grunts or collecting clues is going to happen anyways so why not get rewarded for it rather than do something silly and anndoying

[fringe quiver]

I really do not think, that the option would change much about how people play, it would surely save time for everyone though. Changing the missions to be more difficult in general would be a better option for what you want to achieve. As long as there are easy challenges, many people will only choose them. the option to have missions auto-repeat will not change that

[craggy pike]

I'm all for automatically restarting summons

i can't tell you how many times i've started a match without realizing i had none activated

[fringe quiver]

increasing points needed for the 25 bloodbonds and also increasing points rewarded for difficult missions would also encourage players to challenge themselves, auto-repeat will change nothing aside from being a time-saver.

[fringe quiver]

same here! 😄 Yaasu´s idea for a reminding sound would also help here, but in case of me wanting to always play the "kill 8 players in a round" or "kill someone using dragon-breath" mission (or anything else), the auto repeat would surely be more useful or a useful addition to the sound

[craggy pike]

it could just be a checkbox that restarts the summon upon completion, seems simple enough

[fringe quiver]

good idea!

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[worthy knoll]

@nova canyon yeah... "Kill 2 Hunters with ammo box" is getting out of your comfort zone and not a tedious way to burn through hunters and have an all around bad time trying to...

[nova canyon]

Shoot them with a sparks, then melee

It's not that hard

[fathom geyser]

@humble knoll you can private your KD, no?

[humble knoll]

Yes

[fathom geyser]

so then wheres the problem?

just private it instead of removing the feature for everyone who wants it

[humble knoll]

A lot of people still leave even if it's hidden 💀

[fathom geyser]

no one leaves because of a hidden profile

[humble knoll]

It's gonna be obvious someone is hiding their kd because it sucks 🗿

[worthy knoll]

Then have fun doing it.
It's like "shoot with sparks, then kill with decoy". In theory easy. Bit how many people have actually done this?
Two times??

[nova canyon]

how can you do it if you are too afraid to try ?

[fathom geyser]

youre actually delusional

cope harder

[nova canyon]

How am i the dellusional one when i do the challenge and you are the one coping for easy challenges

[craggy pike]

they're weekly tasks, choosing which ones you do are up to you, there's no e-peen points to be gained by picking the stupid ones

[alpine burrow]

@humble knoll not everyone will leave cos your new, I wouldn’t leave……… unless you have a scoped rifle🤪

[humble knoll]

That's another thing a lot of people leave just cuz someone has a sniper 🗿

[worthy knoll]

Because actually playing the game and winning a match is more fun than trying a whole evening to do something stupid and burn Hunt dollars.
I am not a Streamer, I do not need to entertain anybody except myself.

Yes it would be cool if it works but winning is cool too.

[inner loom]

Just pick the easy ones, then?
Everybody complaining about having options when they didn't even have those before.
Ya'll just coping to get free rewards.

[burnt mulch]

@inland yoke obviously this is realism™️, simulating what happens when you step in a shitton of roots and get your feet stuck

(I'm only halfway kidding, I think it's fine, personally)

[inner loom]

At some point the question arises if fighting between 8 trees, 3 mounds and a bunch of roots and stones while bunnyhopping should even be allowed.

Personally, I don't think so and I don't get stuck a lot, either. Happened once in the last 80 hours since 1.9.

[timber timber]

1.9 crash showdown - end

[queen jungle]

@inland yoke Make sure to report any such locations to #bug-reports-pc, #game-ideas is for feature suggestions only.

[shadow mantle]

any justification for a legendary hunter being locked away under an almost impossible to get roll of the dice in mr. chary with no pity timer?

[inner loom]

Mr. Chary isn't Gacha?

[shadow mantle]

helpfull, thank you - anyone else with aboslutely nothing to add that feels like answering? this is your time.

[inner loom]

You're welcome.
But just because you don't want to hear it it's not any less true.
Pity timers exist on gacha that you pay tickets into to make sure whales can get a reward by chasing it.
Mr. Chary is not that.

[shadow mantle]

your not getting the point are you?

Why put legendary hunters behind an almost impossible roll of the dice?

[inner loom]

I very much get the point.
You're being abrasive and impolite because you've already made up your mind on the matter.
You're not here for discussion but because you believe there lies authority in your opinion based on your feelings of the topic.
Try having an open mind instead.
It's much friendlier, too, and might get you what you're looking for instead of disappointment.

[shadow mantle]

wow, you must be fun at parties. Id get it if this was hearthstone and it was a diamond bordered legendary for whales. There is no monetary gain for hunt showdown to have this behind mr. chary. And I cant understand the reasoning of using time to create a unique legendary hunter that almost nobody gets to see - because its behind an almost impossible dice roll.

[inner loom]

God loves you. 💋

[shadow mantle]

they just lowered the price of legendary hunters in game - possibly because people werent using them enough.

again - very helpfull.

so thank you, Andreas.

[burnt mulch]

cuz it's a big deal when you get it.

and it's... one.

[shadow mantle]

Id get that - but what odds makes it a big deal?

1% or 0,1%

[burnt mulch]

both. one is just a bigger deal than the other.

exclusivity is a thing.

[shadow mantle]

it is - thats why they have the event exclusives

[fluid locust]

Even if you did get it I don't think people would use him often. He's ugly and plain

[burnt mulch]

ok, so there's a Mr. Chary exclusive.

[shadow mantle]

be there, or miss out.

[burnt mulch]

instead of "any justification?", the question you should be asking is "what's wrong?"

what's wrong with having a low-chance Mr. Chary skin?

[quaint silo]

check out my new awesome idea in the suggestions

[shadow mantle]

I dont hate that there is a low chance mr chary skin, I feel like the odds are so low that its almost impossible to get. Why spend resources on something almost nobody gets to see?

[burnt mulch]

specifically because it's something almost nobody gets to see, and it's not actually that many resources.

you spend resources on value. Exclusivity drives value just like availability and visibility do.

I mean let's be real, it's essentially a recolor of an already-existing skin.

[quaint silo]

@fluid locust why u no like snake boss

[burnt mulch]

I could do the same thing with a couple of hours in GIMP and I've never made a skin before.

[quaint silo]

gimp is so fire

u def could

[burnt mulch]

gimp is such shit.

[quaint silo]

its free

its fire

U can costumize models easily especially foe gmod

[burnt mulch]

photopea is unironically better than gimp and it runs in your goddamn browser

[quaint silo]

shoulda said photopea instead then

smh

L bozo

[burnt mulch]

I intentionally used a shit photo editor as an example

[quaint silo]

my mind has been blown

[shadow mantle]

Id see the point for a game where you use that exclusivity to milk whales. not in a game where the resources spent to roll the dice are free. But yeah, you make some decent points.

[burnt mulch]

tbh I'd argue that using the exclusivity in order to milk whales is more problematic than just having it for exclusivity's sake.

but yeah

shrugs it exists. it's cool when you get it.

@pallid idol isn't that just a straight upgrade over regular ammo, except that you can't resupply with normal ammo boxes?

[pallid idol]

Somewhat

But I feel like being unable to restock at normal ammo crate and other hunters wouldn't make it op

[burnt mulch]

that's a hard sell.

[pallid idol]

Fair enough
Also technically the tracer can help locate the shooter but it's not too relevant

[tribal wyvern]

@echo forum Thats the magic word for "you missed."

[burnt mulch]

actually, in very certain locations, it is true that object hitboxes can be misleading.

but if they're hitting you, you're not shooting through the same spot.

and crytek is generally pretty quick to fix them.

[echo forum]

What are you talking about lmao. You can slowly aim between the barbed wire and watch sparks fly off the air. There a million clips of people hitting a solid object when shooting above certain objects.

[echo forum]

Yeah not the exact same spot but this is what I mean they shoot through a different hole...and it's a hole. The one I was shooting through obviously wasn't actually a hole lol

[burnt mulch]

by the way chicken wire is 100% pen'able, it's not a hitbox thing, something else blocked your shot.

concertina is fucked, but that's just how it is. it's at least consistently fucked.

[echo forum]

lol I just shot through a window with chicken wire and saw the sparks fly off my shot 2x

[burnt mulch]

shrugs you're free to submit a bug report.

all I can say is that hasn't been my experience.

[echo forum]

Yeah but clearly this game has a million problems. I mean if you just google " hunt showdown chicken wire blocking bullets" you can see a bunch of reddit and steam posts about it. Obviously I'm not the only one that's had the problem. Like look at the hitboxes in this clip...https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/s89e5n/can_someone_explain_why_these_shots_didnt_hit/

[burnt mulch]

well

1. that's not a chicken wire.
2. you're free to report it.
3. the section of the map shown in the clip has since been reworked, at least I can't find it

ah nevermind I found it

it's better but I think it's a limitation of the engine.

[tribal wyvern]

Why did u shoot 3 times?
Did the first time not make it obvious that you wouldn't be able to hit her like that?

[burnt mulch]

that's an old post

[dim heron]

very old

[burnt mulch]

though I will say, trying to shoot down while standing on top of those wicker barrels is still kinda wack

tried it just now

[dim heron]

Though it's not the only item that has some hitbox offset. The record player has a funny hitbox.

[queen jungle]

@tribal wyvern You say price isn't the only way to balance things out, but a crossbow that can one tap up to 20m for 40 bucks still seems like a decent way to balance it. And it applies a heavy bleed too without needing special ammo.

So they wouldn't be completely comparable

[echo forum]

That was an old clip not mine, it was just showing that many objects and terrain have invisible hitboxes.

[burnt mulch]

right, I'm just saying that if you find one with a non-matching hitbox, just report it with video/description.

[echo forum]

Yeah but it doesn't do much because apparently they don't care. Concertina has been broken forever and chicken wire has been broken a bunch of times through various patches. Sometimes you shoot and you see the bullet hit like a foot to the left of your shot when ADS as well ( you can tell because of the dust and impact that comes off wall). Lots of bugs m8.

[burnt mulch]

besides concertina, I really can't say that anything else has been significantly broken.

if your shot's off while ads, you probably shot too early.

[surreal pelican]

frag hit me for 1 damage and gave me a huge bleed effect. really game? wtf

[cunning inlet]

Is Crytek actually acting on report we are doing about players ?

I Have strongly enough of people doing tk in purpose

[burnt mulch]

@mortal chasm necromancer is already one of the most powerful/impactful traits in the game. and the ability to confirm kills so easily is something that the devs have stated they don't want.

[mortal chasm]

Whatever

[burnt mulch]

damn, sorry for trying to discuss in #feedback-discussion

[echo forum]

I'll be honest. Some of you defenders sound like clowns with the " You just missed, it's your fault shit"... look at this clip I'm sending. You can see the bullet hit the wall to the player's right....dust comes off the wall...yet he dies and it isn't a wallbang and you aren't supposed to shoot through brick. Especially medium/compact ammo. https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/sdqtzl/he_headshot_me_even_though_the_bullet_hit_the/ or this clip...https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/ttmi0o/i_wonder_why_the_game_doesnt_register_my_shots/ or this...https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/k12rg8/cant_shoot_through_open_gaps_got_it/ or this....https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/nohgkf/today_i_learned_that_you_cant_shoot_through_the/ or this...https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/pnl83f/tired_of_this/ ( lmao tree root magically extended it's hitbox to block the shot) or this....https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/qd5bjs/centennial_became_very_unreliable_after_162_or/ ( look where he shoots and then look where impact on wall is).

[dense sapphire]

@mortal chasm (Necromancer buff)
That effect (seeing bodies in darksight) should absolutely be a trait/added onto an existing one (vulture imo) but Necromancer doesn't fit thematically or from a balance perspective. Necromancer, while very specific, is an incredibly powerful trait if you use it effectively. It's in a really good spot currently and doesn't need any buffs.

[prime ibex]

@mortal chasm Sounds good on paper, but abusive in practice.

[karmic ivy]

if they don't care, if you really believe that, than why are you here?

[echo forum]

buddy go back to trolling the steam forums where everytime you post about 30 people mob you because you don't even try to conceal your low effort troll

[burnt mulch]

the game might be broken in lots of ways, but there's also lots of ways to misinterpret the stuff that happens in-game. If I go out and I look for clips of the game being broken, of course I'll find them.

I am not saying that these problems don't exist. I'm saying that I've seen enough clips of people crying that the game is broken when it was user error, or it's an isolated incident that might require more investigation.

I have personally shot through the stairs at iron works with no issues, for example.

[echo forum]

I mean the average player is much better than they were in 2018. If you take a peek and miss the shot because it magically hits an invisible barrier even the 1.0 K/D player might land a headshot on you and now you're out of the game. It become frustrating fighting the bugs of the game let alone the meta playstyles in the game ( only peek left...if right...run) . Also the fact that these issues are inconsistent is even worse...because it's like " Wtf why can't I shoot through this when before I could?" and now you're in a bad position when before you were going to get a killshot. Between invisible barriers, guns won't shoot, ghost rounds ( no dmg) , hit reg etc... I don't understand what they're doing to actually fix things. If the servers can barely handle 12 people..lower the amount of A.I. Why do we need 3 hives 5 feet away from each other or 4 dog packs around a compound? I like the a.i but I play this game for the pvp so I would rather lower A.I stress on server to make the pvp actually more stable.

[unborn smelt]

Also depends on what's "broken"

most people call an outcome that doesn't favor them "broken"

the first clip for example - you can see the hunter, the gun and the muzzle flash

[echo forum]

I would call your bullet bouncing off an invisible barrier 1ft away from an object broken.

[echo forum]

lmao if you watch it frame by frame you can see that hunter missed and hit the wall...because dust and impact are seen on wall.

[burnt mulch]

I'm going to be real with you dude. The way you describe all this stuff is like it happens every game, and I have had nearly no issues in 1700 hours.

also, AI and hunters are completely different in terms of server load.

[echo forum]

I mean it really doesn't happen in any other game to the degree of Hunt and most other FPS aren't 1 life and you're out games.

[unborn smelt]

point is who says that the bullet impact you see is what the server validated ?

some tuff is rendered serverside - other stuff is rendered clientside for increased performance

[echo forum]

idk it seems pretty bad when the client and server have such an extremely different outcome of the playstate

[burnt mulch]

it really isn't that bad.
why would it matter if you know that they pinged off the stone or hit you straight up?

you're dead either way

[echo forum]

no you're not because you can't shoot through brick ....

[burnt mulch]

but they didn't shoot through brick

[unborn smelt]

actually you can

[burnt mulch]

your client just rendered it

[echo forum]

with nitro??

[unborn smelt]

if it's thin enough

[burnt mulch]

you can actually ping off the corners of bricks.

[unborn smelt]

even basic long and other fmj can

[echo forum]

they had a medium ammo gun

[unborn smelt]

easiest to test is the grave stones around healing waters

those are very thin stone - and are easily penetratable by long ammo and up

[burnt mulch]

OK look. They shot around the brick wall. The server says they shot around the brick wall. What does it matter what your client says about whether they pinged off the brick?

[echo forum]

that first clip was a brick pillar lol

[burnt mulch]

the precise bullet trajectory is such a useless piece of information

[echo forum]

because it shows a massive discrepancy between the playstate. How do we even know we are shooting where we aim? Perhaps these invisible barrier glitches is because the server actually thinks we are standing in front of the object? Just like the terrible desync that would knock you off stairs and phase you through buildings.

[burnt mulch]

the trajectory of the bullet on your client is not a massive discrepancy between the playstate.

the trajectory of incoming shots doesn't matter.

the trajectory of outgoing shots matters.

[unborn smelt]

nah - you're missunderstanding. hunt uses a favor the shooter system, so if you hit on your screen and the server validates the hit - you hit

[echo forum]

how does it not? You can use that information to find enemy position beyond just using sound

[burnt mulch]

because you don't need the precise trajectory of the bullet.

just the general direction it came from.

who cares if it's off?

[unborn smelt]

so unless you have a huge connection issue - that doesn't affect your ability to hit high ping players

[burnt mulch]

would the trajectory of that bullet hitting the stone change where you thought that player was?

[echo forum]

you're not understanding what I'm saying. I am saying in the clips of things like the clips where someone is shooting and the hitbox of an object is magically extending2ft away to block the bullet...how do we know this isn't because the server and client are mismatched on where the player actually is standing.

[echo forum]

yes...because it hit a certain direction of the stone...so you can assume the hunter is facing that direction.

[burnt mulch]

the point is that the discrepancy isn't that big lol

[unborn smelt]

because the server takes over the validated info of the shooter client

[echo forum]

small things snowball into larger things in a machine with many parts.

[burnt mulch]

not unless you show how it snowballs

[echo forum]

then explain desync where you fall through a literal building?

[unborn smelt]

assuming it validates the shot based on the info it receives from the shooters client

[unborn smelt]

TBH - didn't have that yet

[echo forum]

Also this seems completely false because there are like 3 videos I posted where bullets just phase through other players.

[burnt mulch]

we know, because if your position is desynced, the server will teleport you when it re syncs

[echo forum]

that is in the extreme scenarios that involve jumping or falling though

[burnt mulch]

nope.

the server will resync you regardless of the discrepancy

whether by sliding or teleporting

[echo forum]

I have only even been teleported when it involves a jump or fall/ walking on the edge of an object

[unborn smelt]

well i'm not saying the system works flawless - iirc in an old post they said that 0.7% of shot are wrongly invalidated. So one instance of a vid where it doesn't work doesn't proove that's not the way the system operates

[burnt mulch]

what's the difference between teleporting and sliding very fast?

also, try nuking your internet connection and running around. you'll get teleported around real quick.

[unborn smelt]

and the vids you sent do contain some weird shots - but many are just misses

specifically the shotgun shots in the last one should IMO have hit

[karmic ivy]

What 30 people? Why don't you show me some quotes of myself being a troll.... Go ahead....

[echo forum]

lmao almost all those shots are hits in the video! They usually don't start missing until they panic after the game isn't regging their shots

[burnt mulch]

the shotgun shot in the last one I can maybe understand as terminus handcannon penny being super omegalul

[echo forum]

when you say " left side peek isn't a big deal"

[burnt mulch]

honestly that's the most believable one.

left side peek really isn't that big of a deal tbh.

[unborn smelt]

What ?

[burnt mulch]

They usually don't start missing until they panic after the game isn't regging their shots
wtf does this mean

[unborn smelt]

i don't get what you try to say here

the second video specifically is the one i mean where it's mainly misses

[karmic ivy]

Same story for me

[echo forum]

you said most of the shots that "miss" in the videos I sent are just actual misses. That's a joke right? Watch them frame by frame almost all of them are hits and the player doesn't start to miss until the game doesn't register 2-3 of their shots.

in the second video the first 3 shots should have hit

and then he starts whiffing and panic

[unborn smelt]

the first one could potentially be fishy - altho with people spinning while reviving it could very well also be that they just spun on the spot (since in hunt that isn't an animation with inertia, but it just rotates the model) so the bullet missed over the back

specifically let me show you
the frame before the shot

and now as soon as you see her again

you can see the hunter having rotated on the spot while reviving by at least 90 degrees

[echo forum]

your second frame is literally the animation that starts AFTER you shoot and lasts like almost a second. Why don't you show us the muzzle flash frame

[burnt mulch]

the muzzle flash frame isn't the frame that you shoot

[unborn smelt]

because you see nothing on that frame

[burnt mulch]

and it definitely isn't the frame that the bullet lands.

[karmic ivy]

Its not, and thats not trolling

[burnt mulch]

on the first shot, the enemy hunter turned to the left, so it's possible that it went over their back.
then on the second shot, the enemy turned to the right. Could have gone over back again.
third shot, the enemy stood up, and it could have gone under the arm.

[unborn smelt]

since you request it

here's the muzzle flash frame

[echo forum]

i'll be real with you guys the shot happens way before you see that animation start.... it goes shoot...muzzle flash....then the round cycle animation.

[burnt mulch]

it sucks and looks terrible but if hitreg issues can't be reproduced in controlled conditions, then they can't exist or be fixed.

[unborn smelt]

tbh - left side peak is a big thing and IMO needs fixing

[unborn smelt]

the shot goes off the moment you see the bullet count move in the bottom

sadly your zooming in edit cuts that off completely

and the time till it lands is a few frames after depending on MV

[burnt mulch]

(it's someone else's clip, but yeah)

[echo forum]

the longer the game is around the more people that will start to only peek left and avoid fights on right because information spreads and everyone plays meta to be competitive. Once I stopped peeking right I started to die a lot less. It's kinda cheesy getting shot around a tree becaus you can't see them but they have full view of you. I won't even fight in forest because of this.

[unborn smelt]

for example the Winnie at 400 m/s takes 25ms to travel 10m

[burnt mulch]

.. try peeking around the other side of the tree.

[unborn smelt]

yeah i agree - it's an issue that needs fixing

not disagreeing there in the slightest

[karmic ivy]

If they fix it that would be nice, if they didn't it wouldn't bother me.

[jovial lodge]

To be fair, cutting peek angles in half is very rough

[echo forum]

if you peek right and they peek left they will see your whole body while you can barely see their shoulder... also the trees are the most extreme example because you can 100% only see the tree in front of you and get shot by the ghost player that can see your whole body

[burnt mulch]

trees are the place it matters the least because you can just.. peek the other side of the tree. It's thin.

it's way harder to "just left peek" in a compound where walls are big and wide

[scarlet crescent]

Those shots feels just like when I'm shooting someone from another region. In my opinion it is just because they are lagging and not showing their "real" position. Most of the times when I have those weird shots not connecting to target, I watch profile just to see that they are playing from other regions...

[unborn smelt]

Again - that's not how lag comp works

[echo forum]

No it actually matters the most because if you are caught in trees you have to fight...you can't just run away..long ammo will get free back shots. In a compound you can keep rotating. Like sometimes you get tagged and have to start wiggling behind a tree and pop a syringe and then you get shot by the advancing player around the tree lmao

[unborn smelt]

for your shots - your client matters

[echo forum]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QOdKb0nNaBs look how disgusting this shot is

[unborn smelt]

not their "real" position

[scarlet crescent]

Maybe but Everytime I have that strange feeling it is ALWAYS players from other region...

[unborn smelt]

as long as the server validates the shot, based on the info your client sent happened on your client - it will overwrite the info sent by all other clients

[mortal chasm]

I think the theme of interacting with dead bodies should be necromancer, but I agree that adding the benefit to vulture would be great as well.

[unborn smelt]

confirmation bias propably - and on top people never have to reveal their region

steam doesn't check, nor enforce if the region you set is your real one

i know multiple peeps that played Dota with russian / chinese names and region setting just to troll

being from neither region

[karmic ivy]

You say some crazy stuff, If we could see thousands of people with problems it would be easy to fix... Are you being dramatic or hyperbolic?

[ripe basalt]

Or just playing with username characters that are supported by Steam but not by the Unicode format that Hunts display uses

[echo forum]

Go on steam forums or youtube...so many examples you could scroll for days.,

[karmic ivy]

I have, I didn't see thousands... Dozens maybe
So dramatic or hyperbolic?

and a few dozen out of a 70k playerbase doesn't strike me as much.

[burnt mulch]

👋 hello

[scarlet crescent]

So if they are troll and not lagging why are these same people headshotting me while I'm covered with metal sheet without shooting through cover and light ammo?

[unborn smelt]

tbh - there's a multitude of reasons you could feel this situation happening

[scarlet crescent]

(And not because of left peeking advantage)

[unborn smelt]

one could be high ping - and the server validating their shot, if you recently moved into cover

the other could be left peek, or just perspective in general

[scarlet crescent]

Yeah high ping... Because they're from other region

[unborn smelt]

yes - could very much be

But just because they have high ping - doesn't mean or proove the system works diffrently

[scarlet crescent]

I am not saying the system works differently, I'm saying that when I have that strange feeling that my shots should connect but they don't it's when the ennemy is a player with high ping

And I wish we could check a "best region only" checkbox such as MMR and trios options

[burnt mulch]

getting shot through a metal sheet is very different from your shots not connecting.

[scarlet crescent]

Even if it won't prevent some high pings, it would most of the times help

[burnt mulch]

a "best region only" checkbox wouldn't help reduce high ping. Ping interactions are based on a combination of your ping and enemy ping.

and we already sort of have a "best region only"

you can just select one region instead of 2

[scarlet crescent]

Yeah but I would like to play only against people with best ping

[burnt mulch]

you're talking about a lot of things at once, and attributing it all to high ping

if you want, we can go over them one by one, but we can't just breeze through it.

[scarlet crescent]

Because I'm in Europe and can play in almost every server of the world if I wanted to...

[inland yoke]

@abstract elm I love the idea of the type of day/weather changing how you play and position (Like what you said with Steps being hard to hear if the Rain is banging on the metal roof). Perhaps even a more extreme version of this with a Storm would be cool aswell in which you could mask gunshots with Thunder.

[burnt mulch]

look, do we want to go over what you think high ping does or what, because discussing region locking is pointless if the reasons you're arguing for it are founded on misconceptions.

[scarlet crescent]

Yeah because those things come together... Shots not connecting and people shooting while I'm covered and recap doesn't say it was a shot through cover

[abstract elm]

true, ive also seen some on steam talking about turning fog from a constant into a rolling fog
so thickness and visibility changes either randomly with time or depending on location on map(ex: swampier areas have thicker fog)

[burnt mulch]

high enemy ping doesn't cause your shots to not connect.
People aren't actually shooting you while you're behind cover, they're shooting you when you're out of cover, and the server takes time to update you because of the ping difference.

[inner loom]

It's not like the system is stacked against you.
They don't gain time by being in a different region.
It's merely delayed.

[burnt mulch]

there are certain benefits to having a high ping, but all of them involve trading, and all of them are symmetrical (it's based on your ping + their ping, so you can get the same advantages).

[inland yoke]

That would also be really cool, but sadly there's no weather conditions outside of fog which you could have change mid-game. But if both Rain and Storm would be introduced, perhaps every 15 minutes there's a chance Fog transitions into rain, rain into thunder and vice versa.

I forgot for what reason exactly but they already said they won't do snow as a weather condition iirc which is sad

but my toaster pc wouldn't be able to handle it anyway

[burnt mulch]

it's because the servers would catch fire.

[inner loom]

Getting snow onto a map seems very resource-intensive.

[tight delta]

High ping players could have much more time to secure a kill, thus forcing a trade. Like when peeking a low ping player.

[abstract elm]

i mean i have no doubt that if they did it it would be amazing
just imagine tracking someones footprints through snow
but yeah servers might explode

[inland yoke]

Tracking someones footprints would be so incredibly cool dude

[inner loom]

Imagine all the tier 3 and legendaries, though, that load into the match with their long ammo scopes thinking they'll be at advantage via camouflage and then it's Winter Wonderland where Whiteshirts rule the streets.

[abstract elm]

i mean would help provide more of a reason to run some of the lighter colored people
though it would sitll most likely be randomized map spawn

[inner loom]

My most played hunter is Teche Wraith.
I only need one reason and it's 'They're cool.'

[abstract elm]

me with reptillian

[inland yoke]

Then again, if we were to have weather conditions which affect gameplay other than visibility, i feel like you should be able to see in the lobby what type of weather condition it is gonna be, perhaps on a rotating basis like every half an hour it randomizes

[fluid locust]

That's just a fancy way of saying they literally killed you behind cover because they have shit ping lol

[radiant river]

If they had better ping you'd have died not behind cover

You would have died in the open instead

[real pollen]

Has anyone encountered a bug to what I can only describe as wall hacks? In my most recent game. I didn’t have dark sight. And I was able to “spot” someone in the woods only because they had the white glow outline around there body as if you could interact with them. But of course I was 50-70 meters away. They were glowing white in the woods.

I wish I had been streaming in order to clip it

[burnt mulch]

yeah there's a bug with that.

[real pollen]

First time I’m seeing it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[abstract elm]

did you have poison sight @real pollen ?

[real pollen]

no

[inner loom]

@marble sable The event intro tells you they're at the boss lairs, and consistently so.

[marble sable]

oh i see

thanks for the tip

[real pollen]

the same way things glow white for you to interact with them, is the same way the character was hiding in the woods. With a slight flash/blink .

[frosty garnet]

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[buoyant pasture]

I think your guises battle pass needs to be real time. I don’t think it’s fair that somebody who bought a 24 hour battle pass loses two or three hours off of it because you guys need to update. And I’m all good with updates. I get it but somebody who’s buying a 24 hour battle pass isn’t gonna be playing for 24 hours straight

[prime ibex]

@buoyant pasture Wait, so you're complaining that you're getting benefits and don't have time to acquire more benefits? Or complaining that there's a boost that you can opt out on and still can buy 3k event points for 10 bucks?

[buoyant pasture]

3k is nothing. Most battle passes let you buy out tiers.

[buoyant pasture]

And I already maxed out my battle pass like 4 days ago. So it’s not really just me I’m worried about

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[earnest loom]

is anyone else having a problem with matchmaking. I'm new to the game I just reached lvl 11 and now I can't get random partners when searching for a match?

[nova canyon]

in early level you are in your own protective bracket, there's less people, and since we are in the morning, there's probably not much people playing in that bracket

but you can try

!lfg

[marsh garden]

Be sure to check out our LFG (looking for group) channels to find a partner:
For PC: #na, #eu, #asia, #oceania, #south-america
For consoles #looking-for-group-console & #looking-for-group-xbox
Regional LFG channels: #ru-поиск-игроков & #br-procurando-grupo

[nova canyon]

Instead

[alpine burrow]

@fierce peak the event is on for 60 days do your summons each week plus 5 day extracts and you will easily have 1500 bb to buy gilded path (buy at any point to get all previous unlocks) guilded path pretty much gives you all those bbs back? I tend to keep stock pile of bbs just for events now👍

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[queen jungle]

Is this really a necessary feature, Crytek?

A torch dropped / thrown by a zombie - exploding a barrel... seriously?

[wind stream]

I think its cool

[queen jungle]

Why?

Because random deaths = cool?

[wind stream]

It means you have to consider your surroundings a bit more

and opens up shooting a zombie with a torch when an enemy is close by

[queen jungle]

Ohhh... well thanks for the advice.

It wasnt even visible that the zombie had a torch until he turned.

I have 1600 hours in Hunt. And this is just pure nonsense.

yes it was, you can see the light reflecting off the wall

unlucky

No, bad game design.

Why is this necessary?

you making a mistake isn’t bad game design

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[alpine burrow]

I like the fact the grunts can now set barrels off with their torches, first time it happened to me was inside a barn, grunt was by the door stabbed her saw the torch ignite some oil as I opened the door then saw a red barrel and boom😂 had to laugh and was like o see what happened there will just have to be more careful. Good job crytek

[queen jungle]

But why?

This was mid- fight. I want to kill Hunters. And some Zombies.

[wind stream]

I would guess the idea is to add some variety to AI. That way you dont approach every zombie the exact same way. Same with the miner zombies and the lantern grunts

[queen jungle]

I dont want to crouchwalk while fighting, because some dumb random pve stuff will kill me.

[wind stream]

In that clip you could have drawn the zombies closer to you if you didnt want to make sound for example

[queen jungle]

Also, there are SO MANY MORE random Zombies & Mobs, this game isn´t about PVP anymore.

[quick spindle]

if youre mid fight you can also just shoot him right? so he drops it and you dont take damage from the barrel. Or just run past him and kill him afterwards. there is a ton of possibilities in my opinion

[wind stream]

maybe you decide to take a different path

its a PvPvE game

it shouldnt be all about PvP

[queen jungle]

Yeah, and it has never been.

But now its PVEpvp.

Kill 150 Zombies, Kill 6 Hunters.

Seems reasonable.

[alpine burrow]

It’s always been pve/pvp the ai mixes up the gun fights. You just sound a little butt hurt you died this way? Just laugh it off and watch out next time👍

[queen jungle]

Why should I laugh it off?

Its just one more random unecessary death.

By bad game design.

Stop defending this stuff like the fanboy you are.

[wind stream]

You can dislike something and still be respectful

people are allowed to have their own opinions, you can dislike it, I can like it

[queen jungle]

I´m sorry.

But I am just so tired of what this game has become.

There are alot of good things, of course.

But the randomness is just on another level.

[native lodge]

randomness of getting smoked by grunt with a torch?

[queen jungle]

grunts are 50x easier to kill than hunters

[hazy quartz]

after dying a few times to torch zombies close to barrels i adapted and recognize torch zombies now as dangerous, adapting was a little bit rough, but it barely is an issue now, just a thing to look out for, which is good imho, because pve loses all challenge if you are an experienced player.

[velvet ingot]

when is the black market going to be re-rolled?

[cerulean basalt]

The summons changed again is there a place where we can see how?

Also my killed hunters sat at 17 out of 17 now and didn't finish. Please don't fix bloodline xp to break this one

Still I appreciate that most things got lowered again. Many of the things asked were frankly quite ridiculous

[queen jungle]

this game is pvp with PVE as a difficulty increaser

thats like saying EVE online is PVE because there are NPC mobs

nobody except for the two people in this game play hunt for the PVE lol

[stoic oyster]

Heyho dear community and developers, i have a special feedback wish. i play hunt showdown in german because i prefer german over english. in most cases your translations are quite good but sometimes you are so off. Examples especially event ones:
viper - das schlängeln.... how do you come to this translation? viper is also common in german but even if you want to differ from english there is even a german name for viper which is otter (even in science --> echte vipern - echte ottern as a type of snakes)
slither - Züngler... here schlängeln would hit the nail on the head but züngeln is way off...
red dog - schlacke... ok i know where you want to go because of the mining theme but i dont find any common english word for schlacke in regards to red dog... so strange one here.

Sometimes I have the feeling that you dont ask your native speakers and just use the google translator or something like that. Oh and in the books of weapons and book of monsters are very often wrong gender articles (der/die/das) and used in a tohuwabohu thats quite tiring to read.

But enough of critics: i really love hunt and do a great job in designing and thinking of new events and stuff!

[queen jungle]

@urban ermine If you are experiencing issues, please make sure to check #troubleshooting or #bug-reports-pc
The suggestions channel is for feature suggestions only and not for reporting bugs/issues.

[nova canyon]

@stoic oyster I mean, they are native german speaker you know ?

[cerulean basalt]

they are but still the german version is pretty bad

[unborn smelt]

Well you're not entirely right there.
HUnt's entire system is built around interlocking PvP and PvE, which is what a lot of people play Hunt for

[queen jungle]

I didn't say make it PVE

[unborn smelt]

PvP alone would also be pretty boring in Hunt, because that's not what it's built for.

[queen jungle]

i said take the gilded age theme, and use it as an expansion

new npcs, new bosses, new weapons, new mechanics

[unborn smelt]

So in some way - yes people, many people play hunt for the PvE

[queen jungle]

sure, you and the extreme minority

which are not quite important, to be honest and i say that respectfully

[unborn smelt]

just not in the "yay i beat the boss" type PvE, instead for the way PvE facilitates and spices up the potential PvP

[queen jungle]

similar to how PVE players in EVE online are not that important

and i agree, PVE does spice it up

see my suggestion

[unborn smelt]

The thing i'm saying is that in a way this means many people play specifically for PvE

because if it were for PvP alone - there'd be so many games out there that are better at it - because they were designed to be PvP only

And i'm pretty sure Pure PvE will never happen for obvious reasons

but IMO neither should Pure PvP in hunt

[stoic oyster]

i know, me too, so its double strange why they use this translations.... but the native speaker will not in the majority of the developer team. its quite international

[queen jungle]

i want to clarify

i dont mean that the gilded expansion be the original PVE concept

im saying, use that original games themes, it has a way more demonic / dark victorian asethethic to it

and add major overhauls and updates to hunt showdown, adding new locations, new bosses like a witch, new npcs, etc

basically, use the gilded age game as inspiration for a major content update for hunt showdown

this could add lore, add the gator boss, the witch, werewolf, vampire ideas, etc.

other games that i can think of that did that are FOR HONOR, a complete new expansion added a chinese themed faction and added new lore

i dont see why people would be against hunt getting a major expansion / overhaul that adds more complexity and more stuff to the game except people that just want the same game with just the occasional skin event.

[nova canyon]

French has the same kind of issue, and it more look like "editorial" choice than real mistakes tbh

[unborn smelt]

I'm pretty sure we're talking about diffrent stuff now.

Ahorn said Hunt shouldn't be all about PvP - PvE has it's much needed place in Hunt's core design as a PVPvE title.
You replied with: only very few people play for PvE

[queen jungle]

exclusively for PVE is what i meant, but yeah

[unborn smelt]

and that's where i chimed in and said that no - many play for PvE, just not in the traditional only me/my team against Pure AI/Boss AI type PvE

[queen jungle]

I guess I would say, I think most people play for PVPVE, not PVEPVP

if that makes sense

[unborn smelt]

but they play for the PvE aspect adding an interesting dynamic to the rest of the PvP

[queen jungle]

yes

we are on the same page here

[unborn smelt]

that's good

then i just missunderstood the post i originally replied to by you

[queen jungle]

I think we both did

my suggestion that i posted in feedback was merely the option for crytek to have a major expansion, based off the gilded age concepts and themes, rebrand it, and use it as a major push to add more lore, more monsters, more hunters, new mechanics and features

current game and gilded age are both similar, but very different.

but it would be a great way to add new mechanics, new sounds, new hunters, diff skins for current legendaries, new bosses, new locations, weather / time of day benefits / mechanics / blood moon, etc.

[unborn smelt]

yeah they are - but they also developed like that in large parts due to community feedback

[queen jungle]

its the update IMO the game desperately needs to continue for years

[unborn smelt]

people asking for more and more actual cowboy stuff, for less darkness, etc which changed a lot of the vibe

[queen jungle]

this game is as a cowboy as it gets, the victorian, darkness is cool

[unborn smelt]

and well making entirely new enemies (interesting ones that is) takes time, lots of time, as do maps and guns

[queen jungle]

hence why it would be a major update

[unborn smelt]

I'd love to see more and them branching more into the weird west themes again

[queen jungle]

i mean, gilded age is like...headless horsemen era

[unborn smelt]

but i doubt we'll see it anytime soon (<- my personal opinion / guess, nothing official)

[queen jungle]

its food for thought for a dev that might be reading this

community will REEE for ANY change

good or bad

some people like eating the same sandwich, over and over again.

[unborn smelt]

Hunt is very much set in the gilded age

[queen jungle]

I know, im talking about the theme of gilded age, (the game)

It's much more darker, more demonic, headless horseman vibed

[unborn smelt]

this is what i specifically replied to

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age#:~:text=Gilded Age ist die Bezeichnung,wurde von Mark Twain geprägt.

[queen jungle]

i know

[unborn smelt]

that very specifically changed on community demand

hunt in the beginning looked and felt waaaay more creepy and spoopy

[queen jungle]

and now it's becoming stale, the gameplay loop has reached it's peak.

there will be no more changes, the game will never change, it will be as is for eternity unless a major update happens

a spoopy and creepy expansion would benefit game health and add change.

[unborn smelt]

because lots off stuff was darker and more desaturated, with some more creepy details.
But in the end peoplecomplained that it gets in the way of competetiveness

[queen jungle]

i know change is absolutely terrifying for most people, but change is good.

it's what makes games like LoL and DoTA be popular for decades now

[unborn smelt]

So while i'd love to see it again, (and i never wanted to loose it to beginn with)

[queen jungle]

hunt is not an esports

this isnt rainbow six siege

[unborn smelt]

It'd alienate a lot of the current players that came due to the growth of them leaving this direction specifically

[unborn smelt]

Oh i know - i say the same

[queen jungle]

i dont think so, thats like saying DBD is popular because of it's incredible gameplay loop

[unborn smelt]

yet many people treat is like it is

[queen jungle]

it's because theres nothing else like it

so people play with what they have

everyone hates DBD, people only play it because it's the 1 of like 3, current asymmetrical team vs solo monster games

Hunt Showdown and what, Escape From Tarkov is about it really.

For this kind of game, Marauders is on it's way, but that's about it.

If crytek doesnt take risks, or have the spine to start doing major updates, a competitor one day will come. Lack of competition shouldn't be a gauge of success

[unborn smelt]

they aren't even that similar

[queen jungle]

Fine, even better, name me a shooter similar to hunt showdown then

[unborn smelt]

Tarkov is a looter shooter, with a lot of individualization

While Hunt lacks proper incentive for looting and scavenging, and is surprisingly limiting in customisation

[nova canyon]

There's none

[unborn smelt]

the only thing that came close was that BF5 mode that flopped big time

[nova canyon]

and there's a lot at the same time

[queen jungle]

there isn't really, thats my point, and the people pointing saying dont change anything, look at the numbers dont realize lack of competition isn't success

omg player numbers going up, thats like me saying DCS is a great flight simulator, it's the ONLY combat flight simulator

people dont have choices

[unborn smelt]

well - i would definetly say hunt had sucess. they did a lot very well in the past

but a lack of proper competition is also pretty undenyable

[queen jungle]

the well will run dry, i hope crytek starts releasing more and considers a a major expansion

complacency will make hunt just release new hunters, new skins, ocassional new gun

[unborn smelt]

as i said there was that BF5 mode that was essentially hunts game model, but it was pretty much never heard of again

[queen jungle]

yep

i remember that

All i'm saying it, a major expansion for hunt showdown would benefit the game and community

[unborn smelt]

oh i'm sure they will work on lots more content - they stated in the past they wanna support hunt for years to come

[queen jungle]

You can use it as a platform to launch new bosses, new lore, new maps, new hunters, new themes

Weather effects, moon effects, revamp the MMR system, it's a perfect opportunity to use a major expansion release as a spring board to introduce new things

[unborn smelt]

and until this day their model stayed the same - content free, QoL Skins etc pay for the free content

so i don't think they'll stop pumping out skins, etc either

[queen jungle]

i wish this game nothing but success, i just want to see the devs take more risks and add more

[unborn smelt]

because the way i unbderstand it is, this should keep the playerbase together - and not split them between people that have or don't have Map pack, content pack "XYZ"

[nova canyon]

you know that it is a sucess regarding the niche it is right ?

[queen jungle]

It is, but again, theres no competition of the niche.

See DCS and DBD.

And I can't agree with the arguement that Hunt shouldn't add expansions or new mechanics because theres nothing else like it so it should remain the same forever.

Blimps never changed and the airplane replaced it in less than 10 years.

[worthy knoll]

Not saying you are lying but wouldn't that be what a developer says? Who would keep playing if Crytek said: "support ends in 9 months"

[queen jungle]

Lol agreed there, I hope crytek announces something major by Q4 2022

[sharp veldt]

We wouldn't be hiring like crazy then

[unborn smelt]

Well not really - many games release new installments every 1-2 years

where new content pretty much ends after 1 year, maybe 2 if lucky

and well like violet said they are hiring pretty heavily too

[stoic oyster]

interesting. thanks for that information!

[late wind]

100% correct. The minuite someone releases a functional PvP shooter with a similar vibe to hunt (time period, weapons, ect.) I'm dropping Hunt like a hot Iron.

It's currently the only one of its kind. And Crytek knows it. Kind of crutches on it too.

[queen jungle]

glad to see someone seeing my angle with this

[late wind]

I don't actually care about content that much though.

I'd be over the moon if we just got something akin to Operation: Health.

[nova canyon]

but no one will release that, because that's a niche game, Hunt is really settled down, and that a really hard type of game to make in a "non broken" way

Look at other games with the same level of complexity

THey all have a lot of issues

[queen jungle]

I was literally thinking the same thing, use a major expansion as Operation Health

similar to operation health, you can use it as a spring board to update mechanics, add mechanics, refine them, add new bosses, new UI features, skins, maps, new bosses

[late wind]

^

[queen jungle]

its literally a win, I mean, add witch, add dynamic, non static mini bosses, add new npcs, add moon effects / weather time of day bonuses

spoopy dark victorian theme is good

can use it to overhaul MMR system

[late wind]

Also. While we're discussing something along those lines, can we get a gofundme so the devs can actually get to see a horse, gun, and plant IRL?

[queen jungle]

lmao

arent they from frankfurt

[late wind]

I don't know. But I'm a bit bewildered by some of the designs. Because it looks like these things were only described verbally to the devs. They never saw pictures or actually touched these things.

Just for example domesticated horses are pretty chill around people. And even if they don't like you personally, they're not so loud that they can be heard a full kilometer away.

[queen jungle]

lel

mounted expansion incoming

i love the hunter designs, but i dont think the devs have ever been to southern USA

some of the hunters, with what they are wearing in 90% humidity, i would have stroked out along time ago

wearing more fur and cotton than soldiers in WW1

[late wind]

You do want to be covered though. Mosquitoes will eat you alive otherwise.

[queen jungle]

black coat?

lel

[nova canyon]

i love the boss design but i've never seen a Bird as huge as scrappy, nor a bird with wooden legs