palera1n

[trail raptor]

But who tf is gonna start their message with ✅

[warm wadi]

a lot of people

i've seen it multiple times

[trail raptor]

I meant as the first letter

[warm wadi]

gir isn't that advanced

[trail raptor]

Plus it targets much more then that specific bot

[trail raptor]

Yeah he’s just a clanker

[warm wadi]

actually i dont even think it can go by level

that's all the command is

[trail raptor]

Make it a filtered word then

Where it can

(Well a mod will have to on this server)

[warm wadi]

also doesn't go by levels exactly

[trail raptor]

Mem plus then

[whole cloak]

member pro or edition are exempt from the raid filters i believe

don't remember which

should be edition imo

[frank compass]

Can someone help with this

[trail raptor]

Lil bros trying to hack on Roblox

[pine shore]

Do i have to wait this for long?

It’s been like 5 mins

@blazing trench

[sweet bramble]

the device needs to be in normal mode

like on the lock screen or something

[blazing trench]

yeah

[pine shore]

i did

[blazing trench]

then it should give instructions on how to enter dfu i'm pretty sure

[blazing trench]

try having it unlocked on the homescreen

[pine shore]

did that too

[blazing trench]

and then you ran palera1n -l

[pine shore]

so i rewrite now?

[blazing trench]

what?

oh

yeah

[frank compass]

Any way it can be bypassed?

[blazing trench]

just like go to the homescreen and run the command when you're on there

[pine shore]

how do i restart? it’s like im typing normally, doesn’t do anything😭

[blazing trench]

do what you did to enter it

turn off your pc than do the thing where you select the usb drive

[pine shore]

oh alr

[blazing trench]

in the bios boot picker thingy

[pine shore]

ok done, so do i turn off my ipad or stay on the homescreen?

[blazing trench]

stay on the homescreen and do the command from before

after you selected shell

then you type palera1n -l

if it does it's thing correctly it should give you instructions on how to enter dfu mode

[pine shore]

Yoooo i’m in

[blazing trench]

nice

once you get to the homescreen again you should have a palera1n app that you can install sileo through

[pine shore]

ok done installed

then what?

[blazing trench]

so you installed sileo?

[pine shore]

yeah done

[blazing trench]

you can get different repos with tweaks now

[frank compass]

Yo can u help me with smth

[blazing trench]

i'll send you some popular ones

[pine shore]

alright

[blazing trench]

hacking roblox...

[pine shore]

oh and how do i reboot my PC?

[frank compass]

Can u help or no?

Pls help

[blazing trench]

just turn it off then unplug the usb and turn it on and it should boot like normal

if it doesn't you can change what it boots to in the bios

[blazing trench]

idk if i really want to assist someone to hacking in videogames

[pine shore]

alrighty, done:)

[frank compass]

Cmon bro pls

[stiff tree]

Hey @pine shore, have a look at this!

tweaklist

Sileo / Zebra / Installer
Select the Packages or Installed tab and then tap Share/Export at the top.

Cydia
Install Obsidian and then follow the steps above.

If you're being asked to upload your tweak list, copy the text here and send the link in chat.

Added by JTV#5846 | Used 492 times · Mar 14, 2021, 10:58 PM

[blazing trench]

what is this?

not what i thought it was

give me a sec to find the actual tweak list i'm thinking of

[pine shore]

alr alr take ur time

[blazing trench]

!t noob @pine shore

[stiff tree]

noob

[Latest iOS/iPadOS version with jailbreaks available](#bot-commands message)

[Glossary of terms](#bot-commands message)

Recommended Repos:

1. Havoc | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
2. Chariz | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
3. SparkDev | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
4. BigBoss | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
5. TIGI Software | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra 


   Recommended Guides:
6. Complete guide to iOS modification, from stock to jailbroken
7. [Palera1n](#bot-commands message) | Palera1n Guide |
8. [Palen1x](#bot-commands message) |Palen1x Guide
9. [Restore rootfs (remove jailbreak)](#bot-commands message)
10. Sideloading with Sideloadly
11. Sideloading with AltStore
12. Saving Blobs

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IMRead - Mark messages as read after clearing their notification
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CanvasSync - Artwork as wallpaper
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SpotifyOpensOnPlaylist
ReplyActions - BiteSMS reimagined
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Added by sahmoee | Used 568 times · Jul 29, 2023, 7:23 PM

[pine shore]

from 1-5?

[blazing trench]

yeah

there's also a tweak list i'm trying to find

[blazing trench]

actually it seems like its just the list of recently released from here

you can find tweaks by going through those repos you added

@pine shore

also snowboard is needed for themes

snowboard is from the sparkdev repo

[pine shore]

alr alr

and how do i install IPA, do i still have to sideload it? im on ios 18.6.2

@blazing trench

[tulip yarrow]

Hello guys, is there any way to downgrade ios 26 to ios18?

[oak escarp]

no

[slate garden]

except for A11- devices

but they don't get 26 update

except for Apple TV

[oak escarp]

?

[slate garden]

Checkm8

[oak escarp]

again

what was the point

[slate garden]

tethered downgrade / sep.lol with blobs untethered

[oak escarp]

in saying this

[slate garden]

there is a way but it's limited to specific devices only

[oak escarp]

[fringe idol]

Why doesn't rootfull work on iOS 15.8.2 and higher?

[blazing trench]

you can get trollstore jailbroken

just search it on sileo and it should pop up

[trail raptor]

You don’t need rootfull

It provides more downsides for little upside

[upbeat bloom]

Palera1n online without pc is real or not ?

[rough stirrup]

no

[fringe idol]

no, try dopamine (rootless)

[upbeat bloom]

Dopamine not support 16.7.x

[fringe idol]

buy pc

[alpine yacht]

no

if you have an old laptop or anything just flash a ubuntu drive into it to use palera1n

[upbeat bloom]

I have but i’m lazy to rejailbreak everytime the phone restart

[alpine yacht]

well then downgrade your ios/ ipados

[upbeat bloom]

I don’t have shh blobs

Anyway I’m waiting for a new exploit

[alpine yacht]

that will take a while i think

[upbeat bloom]

I guess it will take for months

[oak escarp]

years*

[stone goblet]

decades*

[wintry valve]

Not decades

Prob 6 or 7 years

[stone goblet]

Checkm8 wont be for A13 devices in 6-7 years

[wintry valve]

Double check the numbers I said

They WILL find bypasses

People are crazy

[stone goblet]

Only for A12

[wintry valve]

Why is checkm8 so important for tweaks/jailbreaks ? Honestly wanna know

[stone goblet]

Because you can use palera1n in any version its also used for other things

Like for turdus m3rula iirc

[wintry valve]

Very good name

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1132940798141403136/1333508961403666473/RDT_20241118_2201016645429803181321652.gif

[cosmic niche]

centuries

[wintry valve]

Will not be centuries

At most 2 decades

People have too much free time

[cosmic niche]

Anyway jailbreaking is becoming dead

[wintry valve]

Already has been

Tv os is the last one left

[cosmic niche]

Latest version update is from february 2024

I mean dopamine obviously

[stone goblet]

TvOS doesent even have a proper package manager🥀

[wintry valve]

Isn't tv os 26 possible on the 4k thing

[wintry valve]

https://ios.cfw.guide/get-started/select-apple-tv/

[cosmic niche]

wdym

[stone goblet]

I know you can jailbreak it

But it doesent have sileo or zebra

[wintry valve]

So what's the point to jailbreak it if it doesnt even have those

[short shoal]

Does anyone know to remove an apple account off a 2nd gen ipad😭

[wintry valve]

Lemme guess mdm ?

Or active lock

[short shoal]

Whats mdm and active lock?

[stone goblet]

Yes

[wintry valve]

Mdm stops you from doing anything with the ioad

Same with active

Activation

[wintry valve]

👍

[short shoal]

I think its activation

I got it off my grandad and he has no clue what the password is

[wintry valve]

Do ya have the og receipt

[short shoal]

Nup its old

[wintry valve]

I had mine

Noob

[short shoal]

Wow😭

This yokes been passed around tho

Aunt bought it years ago and gave it to him and then he gave it to me

[wintry valve]

Does the aunt have it

[short shoal]

Just trying to see is there some software i can use to wipe ot

[short shoal]

Doubt it

[wintry valve]

Ask her

Or your fucked

[short shoal]

Lovely😭

[cosmic niche]

white names conversation

[snow anvil]

Oh so now palera1n works on ipad 7th with ios 18.5??

[rough stirrup]

yeah

[stone goblet]

yeah

[cosmic niche]

yeah

[plush silo]

yeah

[trail raptor]

yeah

[cosmic niche]

yeah

[upbeat bloom]

yeah

[agile stirrup]

@vital apex how do i use ummmm

[vital apex]

Idk

[coarse nimbus]

Hi, I want to jailbreak my iphone 8 with ios 16.7.12, I already have the tutorial to do it, just want to know if it works similar to dopamine and how does it work in a general way, for example if I restart my cellphone the jailbreak tweaks get disabled and if I need a PC to re enable the jailbreak or if the jailbreak stays on everytime, ty

[trail raptor]

You’ll need a pc to rejailbreak if the device reboots/boots into a unjailbroken state

[coarse nimbus]

and does it work the same e.g. if you reboot your phone it will return to unjailbroken state or is there a way to reboot without losing the jailbreak? as with reboot springboard

[trail raptor]

You can restart springboard without loosing the jb

[coarse nimbus]

ohh good to know, so basically is the same as dopamine just that I need to take care of not rebooting if I don't have a PC close to me

[trail raptor]

Yes

[coarse nimbus]

tysm

[trail raptor]

Or having your phone die

[coarse nimbus]

yeh that too

[rough stirrup]

or restart userspace

[trail raptor]

Yeah forgot to say it

[snow anvil]

Do you guys know if i need to compiled it myself or just follow the guide on the https://palera.in/download/?tab=linux

[vital apex]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n

[rough stirrup]

follow the guide

you dont need to compile anything

its already pre compiled

[steep cobalt]

Does anyone have a great tutorial on How To jaikbreak Apple TV 4K 1st gen. I have The Goldeneye cable to put it in DFU mode

I tried palera1n -l i have the loader on the screen but I received this erroe

When i force revert and tried palera1n -f I received this error

Can someone help me with that please???

[trail raptor]

Apple TV only supports Rootful

[steep cobalt]

What is the way to jailbreak mine!

I tried palera1n -f for rootful not working for me

[steep cobalt]

If you have a tutorial for that would be great for me

[trail raptor]

You need to make the fakefs

-c -f

[steep cobalt]

I did but the device reboot and nothing happened after

And received this error

Need to reconnect for Download mode

[cosmic niche]

!t nosep also this

[stiff tree]

Hey @coarse nimbus, have a look at this!

nosep

When using checkra1n/palera1n on the iPhone 8/X running iOS 14 or later, you will not be able to use any of the following SEP features in a jailbroken state:

• Passcode
• Touch ID/Face ID
• Apple Pay

Additionally, if you’ve ever enabled a Passcode on iOS 16 on the iPhone 8/X, you’ll need to erase all content and settings in order to successfully jailbreak with palera1n.

Added by stkc#8018 | Used 1,458 times · Apr 22, 2021, 8:45 PM

[oak escarp]

good job

that was truly needed after 13 hours

[cosmic niche]

You say like I wrote It a month after

[pine shore]

i thought it's not compatible with ios 18.6.2?

[rough stirrup]

https://docs.website-msw.pages.dev/docs/troubleshoot/troubleshooting-steps/#timed-out-waiting-for-download-mode

[warped horizon]

it works but only when jailbroken

[pine shore]

ohhh, sry im new, but the guide said this?

and i tried to add the repo (cokepokes) and it didn't work

[warped horizon]

this support chart is for trollstore working outside of jailbreak

if you can jailbreak you can use trollstore to install ipas but they will only open whenever you're jailbroken

[pine shore]

i did jailbroken my device

but why was the repo not working?

[warped horizon]

what are you trying to get from that repo

[pine shore]

appstore++ @warped horizon

[warped horizon]

use muffinstore instead

https://github.com/mineek/MuffinStore

[blazing trench]

like the other person said, it only works while jailbroken, also if you added the havoc repo, trollstore lite should show up and that should work

[pine shore]

what's the difference with muffinstore?

[blazing trench]

it's more updated

also the option to download apps you haven't downloaded before actually works

you need trollstore lite first to install the muffinstore file btw

[pine shore]

yeah i did

woahhh thanks btw

my muffin store doesnt have the icon lol

[blazing trench]

yeah idk why mineek never added one

[pine shore]

so if i want to downgrade i js install the app first, then go to muffinstore, enter the ID to the ver i want, then install it again?

[blazing trench]

you just tap on the app you want to downgrade in muffinstore then choose server and choose what version you want

[pine shore]

okay2

[storm lion]

Can I use this to jb my t2 MacBook?

[solemn verge]

what would you gain from it

[warm wadi]

why do you need to do that

[storm lion]

I am just curious about it seen videos on it

[warm wadi]

technically yes

but

there is nothing to do with it

nor is it an easy process

[storm lion]

Ok

[past trail]

Can someone tell me how to fix this it shows whenever I try to install or delete a package

[trail raptor]

I wonder why

It’s almost like your using a bad repo

[past trail]

Yeah well it’s not like I know anything about this stuff

[trail raptor]

Sileo literally warns you

It tells you if it’s bad or not

[past trail]

Yeah well how do I fix it

[trail raptor]

By not using that shitty repo

[past trail]

Oh

[trail raptor]

Why do you think those warnings are there?

[past trail]

Idk

How do I get rid of the repo

[trail raptor]

Swipe left and remove

[past trail]

Oh

I think it worked but I’m not sure bc there were like 5 repos

Nvm

I’m an idiot

[verbal grotto]

anyone know a tweak to get these little dips when you press a button

[warm wadi]

[[popoutbuttons]]

[stiff tree]

PopOutButtons

PopOutButtons bring the iOS 18 buttons popouts to iOS 13-17

Author

tesla_man

Version

1.0.1

Price

Free

Repo

Chariz

Bundle ID

com.teslaman3092.popoutbuttons

Powered by Canister · Oct 5, 2025, 2:40 PM

[verbal grotto]

tysm

[calm crow]

yo guys

just jailbroken my iphone 8 plus with ios 16.7.11

installed troll store helper, trollstore and appstore++

i have a question

i want to play old games such as old minecraft versions, skate it, call of duty world at war zombies, call of duty strike team ecc

but they say "unsupported app" or they crash at startup

i set appstore++ with STDQ and installed via trollstore

any method?

[warm wadi]

dont use appstore++

use muffinstore instead

[calm crow]

will fix this?

[warm wadi]

if they crash at startup it probably just means it doesn't support your ios

just use it instead

[calm crow]

oh bro

it give error

[warm wadi]

what is the error

[calm crow]

when i put link app download it say invalid link

[warm wadi]

what link are you putting in

[calm crow]

the link im trying to put is this:

[warm wadi]

whether the apps work or not is dependent on if it supports your ios or device

i suggest you delete this because it's against the servers rules

but

[calm crow]

which is clearly a direct link

[warm wadi]

that is an ipa

you install that with trollstore

the link you are supposed to put there is an appstore link

[calm crow]

oh

uhm

even if the app is delisted?

[warm wadi]

not for appstore apps

but this is an ipa

so it doesn't matter

just install it with trollstore

[calm crow]

dude thats the problem

it crahses on startup

[warm wadi]

then that's an issue with the ipa

[calm crow]

or says developer needs to update the app

[warm wadi]

it doesn't support your ios

[calm crow]

https://apptopia.com/ios/app/359558562/about

[warm wadi]

the app is not on the appstore anymore

but

that doesn't affect it

the app iteslf just does not support your ios

[calm crow]

Store ID
359558562
File Size
110 MB
Device Compatibility
iPad23G, iPhone4S, iPhone, iPhoneFirstGen, iPhone3G, iPodTouchSecondGen, iPodtouchwithmic, iPodTouchFirstGen, iPad2Wifi, iPhone4, iPodTouchFourthGen, iPadMini4G, iPodTouchFifthGen, iPadThirdGen4G, iPodTouchourthGen, iPadWifi, iPhone5, iPadFourthGen, iPadMini, iPhone3GS, iPhone3G, iPadThirdGen, iPhone3GS, iPadFourthGen4G, iPodtouch, iPodTouchThirdGen, iPhone5s, iPhone5c, iPad3G
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Age Rating
4+

[warm wadi]

brother

read what i am saying

[calm crow]

so i need to downgrade?

the ios?

[warm wadi]

what device are you on

[calm crow]

iPhone 8 Plus

[warm wadi]

do you have blobs?

if you don't know what those are, it's a no

which means you can't downgrade

[calm crow]

blobs?

i have palera1n

rootless

[warm wadi]

that's a jailbreak

you can't downgrade

the only option to running it is getting a device on a compatible ios

which is most likely ios 10 or lower because the app is probably a 32 bit app

[calm crow]

no way to downgrade to ios 10?

[warm wadi]

no

[calm crow]

and there is no way to make older apps run on iphone without making it crash?

there should be a way

[warm wadi]

no

[calm crow]

dude i jailbreaked it for this

[warm wadi]

well you can't run a likely 32 bit app on your device, not sure what to tell you

if it doesn't support your ios it doesn't support your ios, deal with it

[calm crow]

but what if it says "the developer needs to update the app"

[stone goblet]

Iphone 8 hasnt ios 10 iirc

[calm crow]

there should be a fix for that for sure

[warm wadi]

no

there is not

that confirms it is 32 bit

[calm crow]

dang it

but can i install debian packages on it?

like idk spotify or steam?

[warm wadi]

no

[stone goblet]

Just install it on the app store

[warm wadi]

they have to be packages for ios

search on sileo for tweaks

install spotify from the appstore

[calm crow]

nono i mean like desktop apps

[warm wadi]

no

[calm crow]

nah im just stupid dont ask questions

[warm wadi]

you can run a virtual machine but it'll be balls slow

[calm crow]

installing native linux?

idk like postmarket os

[warm wadi]

no

[stone goblet]

It will never be possible

But you can install it on a vm

[cosmic niche]

it came with iOS 11

[lone trellis]

hi

Can anyone help me?

[warm wadi]

with what

[lone trellis]

I installed palera1n on my iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 16.7.12 using palen1x, rootfull, and then I tried to hide the jailbreak using palehide-palen1x, but when I started the device palera1n disappeared and was replaced by dopamine

I don't know if it's correct

[warm wadi]

1. dont use rootful
2. you cannot use dopamine
3. just follow https://ios.cfw.guide/using-palen1x

also, remove the jailbreak before you go to rejailbreak with rootless

!t rootfs

[stiff tree]

rootfs

To revert the jailbreak installation on your device, follow the steps below.

palera1n
Rootful: palera1n --force-revert -f
Rootless(default): palera1n --force-revert -l

If the above methods didn't work, see /tag rootfscli for more options.

Dopamine
Reboot, open Dopamine, open the Settings page, then press "Remove Jailbreak"

If you would like to further remove any remnants left after removing the jailbreak, you can install varClean15

Note: Since the rootfs is sealed on iOS 15+, it remains the same across all devices. Thus, "Restore rootfs" means practically the same thing as "Remove Jailbreak"

Added by nyuszika7h#0001 | Used 1,407 times · Apr 14, 2021, 1:00 PM

[lone trellis]

ok so the mistake was installing rot hidee

Why is it not recommended to use root hide?

[warm wadi]

i didn't say it's not recomended, just that you probably don't need it

if you don't need roothide don't use it

[lone trellis]

Yes, I use many banking applications and they give me errors.

They told me that the best option was root hide

[warm wadi]

did you try any other bypass

[lone trellis]

which ones do you recommend?

[warm wadi]

[[choicy]]

[stiff tree]

Choicy

Advanced Tweak Configuration!

Author

opa334

Version

1.5.3-2

Price

Free

Repo

opa334's Repo

Bundle ID

com.opa334.choicy

Powered by Canister · Oct 5, 2025, 9:27 PM

[warm wadi]

if that doesn't work try [[shadow]]

[stiff tree]

Shadow

A modern jailbreak detection bypass.

Author

jjolano

Version

3.7.6~b1

Price

Free

Repo

Misty's repository

Bundle ID

me.jjolano.shadow

Powered by Canister · Oct 5, 2025, 9:28 PM

[warm wadi]

finally, if neither work then try [[vnodebypass]]

[stiff tree]

vnodebypass

An expermental tool to hide jailbreak files for bypass detection. (Only supported iOS 15-16 with Dopamine2)

Author

XsF1re, ichitaso, level3tjg

Version

0.4.2

Price

Free

Repo

ichitaso repository

Bundle ID

kr.xsf1re.vnodebypass

Powered by Canister · Oct 5, 2025, 9:28 PM

[warm wadi]

wait

no ignore this

doesn't work on palera1n

[lone trellis]

I tried Choice and only some of them worked, ok I should remove the entire jailbreak completely now.

or can I reinstall and keep the configuration?

[warm wadi]

if you are still on rootful you should switch to rootless

[lone trellis]

What's the difference? Sorry, I'm new.

[warm wadi]

!t whyrootless

[stiff tree]

whyrootless

Why rootless > rootful:

• There isn't any storage penalty (such as the 2-5 GB bindfs or 10GB+ fakefs storage penalty) compared to stock iOS
• Most future development of both tweaks and palera1n will primarily be rootless
• In general, rootful tends to have more and harder to troubleshoot issues in comparison to rootless

Yes, tweak compatibility for older tweaks may be better than rootless, but many older tweaks can be patched in various ways to work with a rootless setup.

-# This tag does not apply to iOS 14 or earlier

Added by mastermike88 | Used 418 times · Sep 3, 2023, 12:56 AM

[lone trellis]

thankss

I will proceed to uninstall everything

[warm wadi]

no

don't do that

@lone trellis

do not uninstall the things it installed for you

just remove the jailbreak and it does all that automatically

[lone trellis]

Rootful: palera1n --force-revert -f

from the command panel?

[solemn verge]

yes

[trail raptor]

What does this have to do with palera1n

[warm wadi]

nothing

people think this is general all the time

[lone trellis]

I already uninstalled, can you help me do a clean install?

[warm wadi]

https://ios.cfw.guide/using-palen1x

[lone trellis]

Yes, I was looking at it, just Once you have loaded palen1x, select Shell

Type palera1n -l

[warm wadi]

yes do that

[lone trellis]

no switch mode or options

Ok

[trail raptor]

Jailbreak -> Prison -> Iron Bars -> end crystals are covered in iron bars -> end -> end update

Therefore end update is jailbreak

[lone trellis]

Thanks, it works now. I have installed Muffin Store and Troll Store.

what should i install?

[trail raptor]

Exactly

You are advertising songs in a place that’s legit about hacking phones

Don’t you think that’s a little silly?

[lone trellis]

Hello, I just installed palera1n on my iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 16.7.12. What should I install now?

[trail raptor]

Well why did you jailbreak it in the first place

[lone trellis]

They just gave me an iPhone and I remembered the old days with Cydia. I come from Android and, for example, I would like to use applications with paid functions, modify the system in general.

[cosmic niche]

!t piracy

[stiff tree]

Hey @lone trellis, have a look at this!

piracy

WE WILL NOT ASSIST WITH PIRACY

What is piracy?
Piracy is a form of unauthorized redistribution such as getting apps, in-app purchases, tweaks or themes without paying for them. This is often also unsafe as you are not getting things from the official source and pirated versions could have malware. This includes getting IPA files for free apps.

How do I know if I have piracy?
If you are not sure if a repo is piracy or not, you can send the name of the repo in to a genius, mod or admin in a DM and ask for further information. If you send a piracy link in a channel you will be filtered and informed further via DM. Doing so may also result in a warning from a member of staff. Use DMs to avoid the possibility.
Do note however that sharing piracy in DMs for any other purpose than asking if it's safe is still a violation of the rules and is warnable.

I have piracy repos and/or pirated tweaks, what should I do?
The standard procedure here is to remove jailbreak (also known as "restore rootfs" on older jailbreaks). To learn more, type /tag rootfs (or /tag legacyrootfs for older jailbreaks).

Added by JTV#5846 | Used 1,848 times · Feb 3, 2021, 8:55 AM

[lone trellis]

Use apps that require iOS 17+

[lone trellis]

sorry

Change the unlock method, add an Android-style home bar

[cosmic niche]

!t noob

[stiff tree]

Hey @lone trellis, have a look at this!

noob

[Latest iOS/iPadOS version with jailbreaks available](#bot-commands message)

[Glossary of terms](#bot-commands message)

Recommended Repos:

1. Havoc | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
2. Chariz | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
3. SparkDev | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
4. BigBoss | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra
5. TIGI Software | Add to Sileo | Add to Zebra 


   Recommended Guides:
6. Complete guide to iOS modification, from stock to jailbroken
7. [Palera1n](#bot-commands message) | Palera1n Guide |
8. [Palen1x](#bot-commands message) |Palen1x Guide
9. [Restore rootfs (remove jailbreak)](#bot-commands message)
10. Sideloading with Sideloadly
11. Sideloading with AltStore
12. Saving Blobs

Recently Released
Floaty - Customize your app banners
Looky - See notifications from far away
LSLyrics - Displays time-synced lyrics for the currently playing track on your lock screen background.
KonbanXV - Swipe right on Home screen for an app
Nazuna - Powerful PIP enhancer
Reboot Helper - Automate system maintenance with precision timing and button sequences.
IMRead - Mark messages as read after clearing their notification
Rode - Scramble Passcode
CanvasSync - Artwork as wallpaper
SpawnMe - Custom notification manager
SpotifyOpensOnPlaylist
ReplyActions - BiteSMS reimagined
SNMessenger - A tweak for messenger
MuffinStore -iOS App Store downgrader
Appaze 3 - Custom settings setups per app
Sanjeh - Stylish Batter Popup
UI Switches - Polished UI Switched
Immortalizer - Foregrounding tweak

Added by sahmoee | Used 577 times · Jul 29, 2023, 7:23 PM

[carmine horizon]

is there a way to find what version of palera1n the user is running? i tried to read the info.plist of the palera1nLoader, but that one just reports "3.1" instead of like "2.2.1" (newest)

[blazing python]

hi

[lone trellis]

thanks

[solemn verge]

what's the context by chance

[carmine horizon]

my app runs bit unstable on older versions, so i kinda want to give my users a headsup that they should/could update if they are not on the newest one

[solemn verge]

you could just check the loader version and see if it's equal to or higher to the one included with 2.2

[carmine horizon]

loader version is 3.1 rn. so it was lower in a lower palera1n version? since i dont know how many times the loader app got changed

[solemn verge]

yes

[carmine horizon]

but yes, if i can check against lower than 3.1, that works for me

thanks, gonna use that then

[rustic chasm]

can i get vpn for free with the jailbreak?

so that i can watch sports streams on a mac?

[vital apex]

You don't need a jailbreak for VPNs

The only free VPN I recommend is Proton VPN

[spring phoenix]

yikes free vpn

[warm wadi]

https://1.1.1.1 is also good

i've been using it for a very long time

[vital apex]

I strongly dislike them but Proton is the only one I know of that isn't terrible

[rough stirrup]

WARP is also good

i live in turkey so discord is banned and cloudflare has servers in turkey

so its the fastest vpn i have

[main comet]

yes

i use it for everything

[main comet]

same im in turkey

[ionic mountain]

any update for JB A12+ ? ipad pro 11inch 3rd gen

[oak escarp]

❌

[verbal grotto]

Anyone know if there’s a tweak for ios 16 to show the estimated charge time

[nocturne sapphire]

Potato vpn works really well for me

[rustic chasm]

thank you guys so much i’m gonna try them all

[tall zealot]

!t latest

[stiff tree]

latest

Latest released iOS versions that are able to be jailbroken
If your device is older than the ones listed here, it's jailbreakable on the newest version.
If your device is newer, it is unable to be jailbroken at all.

iPhones / iPods

iPhone 13 Series - 14 Series (A15 - A16) 16.5
iPhone SE 3 (A15) 16.5
iPhone XS/XR Series - iPhone 12 Series (A12 - A14) 16.5.1
iPhone SE 2 (A13) 16.5.1
iPhone 8(+), X (A11) 16.7.11
iPhone 6s(+), SE 1, 7(+) / iPod 7 (A9 - A10) 15.8.5

iPads

iPad Pro 6 / iPad Mini 6 (A15 / M2) 16.5
iPad 8 - 10 / iPad Pro 3 - 5 / iPad Air 3 - 5 / iPad Mini 5 (A12 - A14 / M1) 16.5.1
iPad 7 (A10) 18.7
iPad 6 / iPad Pro 2 (A10(X)) 17.7.10
iPad 5 / iPad Pro 1 (A9(X)) 16.7.12
iPad Air 2 / iPad Mini 4 (A8(X)) 15.8.5

Use the /canijailbreak command or the buttons below for more information.

Added by Rick.#1738 | Used 2,645 times · Feb 3, 2022, 1:20 PM

[tall zealot]

Why is it saying Iphone 8(+) - 16.7.11? how about 16.7.12?

[formal fog]

Duuude i accidently updated to ios 18

[trail raptor]

Yes

[cosmic niche]

Ok

[formal fog]

ive been waiting so long for a iphone 13 ios 18.2 break

[cosmic niche]

keep waiting for next decade

[formal fog]

XD

[tame oasis]

Hi @shut stone may I pls have copy of cydia16?

[oak escarp]

❌

[copper tinsel]

someone other haves problems with overheating with this jailbreak on iOS 16.7.12?

[warm wadi]

how do you know its the jailbreak

[solemn verge]

it’s probably your device

[copper tinsel]

iPhone 8 w/ 77% battery

Anyways is the device but its stupid how so hot is

[plush silo]

do you have a lot of tweaks installed

I have an iphone X jailbroken with dopamine and that heats up a bit

[copper tinsel]

yes

[plush silo]

that’s probably using. A lot of battery

[oblique cairn]

You call that alot?!

Check this out sir

[sweet bramble]

fake dynamic island 😭

[warm wadi]

it's nice and hidden when not in use 🤷

this is dopamine though not palera1n

[sweet bramble]

just seems like it would be better if it was an extension of the notch

not below it

[scenic talon]

pretty sure dynamic notch exists

and is way better than that

[shell osprey]

Hi, is IOS 16.7.12 supported?

[warped horizon]

yes

[craggy flame]

hey is ios 26 supported ?

[vital apex]

No

[cosmic niche]

it never will be with palera1n

[keen parrot]

Hello, I am facing this problem. Tried whole day for my Iphone X, Ios 16.7.12, but can't jailbreak. kindly help me out 🙁
Tap the both side and voulme down button and release on time but phone just open.

[stone goblet]

Palera1n never had ui

The thing you are using is a malware

[keen parrot]

Saw on youtube, that man by using this jailbreak iphone X

[stone goblet]

!t yt

[stiff tree]

Hey @keen parrot, have a look at this!

yt

YouTube is typically a very poor source of information and should be avoided. Many jailbreak YouTubers promote piracy, outdated tweaks, or just flat out fake jailbreaks. Reliable sources: iOS Guide, r/jailbreak Wiki, Apple Database and The Apple Wiki.

Added by toilet cat#8018 | Used 2,914 times · Jan 26, 2021, 4:28 PM

[stone goblet]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n/
see this instead

[keen parrot]

@stone goblet thanks brother. but is there any video tutorial you can share. i am new at Jailbreak and things getting hard for me.

[stone goblet]

Dont use videos learn how to read instead

[keen parrot]

okay brother. thanks again.

[cosmic niche]

which pc are you using

[keen parrot]

Processor AMD, Windows pc

[cosmic niche]

!t palen1x you whould follow this

[stiff tree]

Hey @keen parrot, have a look at this!

palen1x

palen1x allows you to use palera1n-c on Windows computers via live-booting. You will need a USB flash drive or SD card for this.

Added by hydrate#9351 | Used 919 times · Feb 22, 2023, 6:39 PM

[cosmic niche]

but

AMD has low success rate

best option is to use intel pc

[stone goblet]

Amd ryzen

[keen parrot]

okay brother. will try to find a solution.

[cosmic niche]

np

[trail raptor]

On their mobile CPUs like the steam deck or ROG Ally for example it’s better

[cosmic niche]

Idk what it is tbh

[fierce abyss]

does anyone have a full guide to jailbreak ios 18?

[vital apex]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n

Only on the iPad 7

[fierce abyss]

it doesnt work on iphone?

[vital apex]

Doesn't support A12+

And the only iPhones on iOS 18 are A12+

[fierce abyss]

i see

can i downgrade my phone in anyway

[cosmic niche]

no

[fierce abyss]

shi

[sweet bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259735018553741322/1424090807962566676/togif.gif

[celest forum]

What does that do

[tepid summit]

!latest

[snow anvil]

Hello guys, i get this error message:
timed out waiting for download mode (error code: -status_exploit_timeout_error)

Im using ubuntu with intel. Any advice?

[snow anvil]

I did it guys, maybe it was ubuntu, everything work fine and so smooth with https://ios.cfw.guide/using-palen1x/

If there was any doubt about working on iPadOS 18.5 (22F76), it really works!!

[keen parrot]

I am trying to jb my iphone x but every time i am facing this issue, device not entering difu mode, kindly help me out 🥲

Ios 16.7.12 running on my iphone x

I heard iphone x running ios 16.7.12 can be jb with palera1n

[oak escarp]

!t usbcmoment

[stiff tree]

Hey @keen parrot, have a look at this!

usbcmoment

TLDR: You'll need a USB-A to Lightning cable.
USB-C to USB-A adapters will work fine.

Added by Cryptic#6293 | Used 456 times · Oct 23, 2021, 12:36 AM

[charred adder]

!t latest

[stiff tree]

latest

Latest released iOS versions that are able to be jailbroken
If your device is older than the ones listed here, it's jailbreakable on the newest version.
If your device is newer, it is unable to be jailbroken at all.
No iOS/iPadOS device can be jailbroken on 26.0 or later.

iPhones / iPods

iPhone 13 Series - 14 Series (A15 - A16) 16.5
iPhone SE 3 (A15) 16.5
iPhone XS/XR Series - iPhone 12 Series (A12 - A14) 16.5.1
iPhone SE 2 (A13) 16.5.1
iPhone 8(+), X (A11) 16.7.12
iPhone 6s(+), SE 1, 7(+) / iPod 7 (A9 - A10) 15.8.5

iPads

iPad Pro 6 / iPad Mini 6 (A15 / M2) 16.5
iPad 8 - 10 / iPad Pro 3 - 5 / iPad Air 3 - 5 / iPad Mini 5 (A12 - A14 / M1) 16.5.1
iPad 7 (A10) 18.7.1
iPad 6 / iPad Pro 2 (A10(X)) 17.7.10
iPad 5 / iPad Pro 1 (A9(X)) 16.7.12
iPad Air 2 / iPad Mini 4 (A8(X)) 15.8.5

Use the /canijailbreak command or the buttons below for more information.

Added by Rick.#1738 | Used 2,653 times · Feb 3, 2022, 1:20 PM

[charred adder]

Newbie here

Tryna download the Palera1n app but i can't download it cuz it's presented as FILE

[warped horizon]

where are you downloading it from, what version/device are you on, what operating system is your pc

[trail raptor]

Gonna take a guess that’s it’s likely windows and they downloaded the Linux version

[pine shore]

@blazing trench why's my device always went back to normal again, like the palera1n's gone, do i have to rejail everytime?

[stone goblet]

Yes

Every time you reboot you need to jailbreak again

[pine shore]

so if my battery dies, i have to rejail again? cuz it shuts down the ipad

or restart*

[stone goblet]

Yes

[pine shore]

maybe i accidentally let the battery died, uhh yk what i mean

[blazing trench]

what the other person said

[junior robin]

Hey guys, do you know how to use snapchat in jailbreak, I have palera1n 16.7.11

[stiff tree]

Snapchat

You can use Choicy!

Powered by ios.cfw.guide • Bypass 1 of 2

[sweet bramble]

@junior robin

choicy tweak

[junior robin]

I wanna create accs in crane

[trail raptor]

You don’t need multiple accounts for Snapchat unless your a creep

You can already limit posts to certain groups n shit

[warm wadi]

you are also gonna get banned

from snap

[queen zinc]

how to get (downgrade) palera1n version 2.0.0 beta 8

[solemn verge]

there is no good reason to do this

[queen zinc]

pokemon go i am using is crashing or in login loop, this is the only fix for now

[reef lake]

Hello, I have an iPhone X running iOS 16.7.11. I’d like to jailbreak it, but I only have a Windows 11 PC with an AMD processor. Which method should I use?

[solemn verge]

try https://ios.cfw.guide/using-palen1x, but you may run into issues due to Ryzen

!t checkra1namd

[stiff tree]

checkra1namd

If you’re on AMD/Ryzen, you may be encountering a few issues when using checkra1n or palera1n. This can vary between freezes and straight up crashes. It’s because of AMD’s weird onboard USB controllers that cause it not to work that well with checkra1n’s/palera1n's exploit. If you’re lucky you can actually successfully manage to jailbreak using checkra1n/palera1n.

Tips to increase successrate:

• Plug your device into your computer's motherboard.
• Use a genuine Apple USB-A to lighting cable.

If you’re stuck on the Apple logo please force reboot yourself (see: /tag reboot).

If these don’t work, try to get your hands on another computer (preferably intel), and try to use checkra1n/palera1n again. You can also purchase a PCIE USB card, such as the Inateck 2 Port PCIE USB 3.0 Card and plug it into the card to fix it.

Added by flower#1116 | Used 281 times · Feb 21, 2022, 2:19 AM

[sonic sandal]

Does anyone have homeDiagnostic.pkg?

[oak escarp]

this does not sound ios jailbreak related

[cosmic niche]

!t pogo

[stiff tree]

Hey @queen zinc, have a look at this!

pogo

We will not assist with Pokemon Go hacking/cheating/spoofing. There are dedicated servers for those kinds of tweaks, and this server is not one of them. However, we can assist with jailbreaking a device if it is a device and iOS version supported by a current jailbreak utility.

Added by kittymaxine | Used 151 times · Nov 29, 2024, 11:49 PM

[queen zinc]

thank you for sharing but i asked help for downloading palera1n, he just wanted to know my business and i gave it to him

[warm wadi]

We can't provide apple internal things here

Find it yourself

[stiff tree]

Amazon Music

You can use vnodebypass!

Note

Exercise caution when using kernel-level bypasses. Not working on unc0ver (14.6+) due to libkrw needing an update.

Powered by ios.cfw.guide • Bypass 1 of 1

iOS 18.7.1

Build number

22H31

Supported devices

30

Release date

<t:1759104000:D> (<t:1759104000:R>)

Signing status

Signed for all devices!

Powered by https://appledb.dev

iOS 18.6.2

Build number

22G100

Supported devices

30

Release date

<t:1755648000:D> (<t:1755648000:R>)

Signing status

Not signed

Powered by https://appledb.dev

[stiff tree]

iOS 16.7.12

Build number

20H364

Supported devices

6

Release date

<t:1757894400:D> (<t:1757894400:R>)

Signing status

Signed for all devices!

Powered by https://appledb.dev

[cosmic niche]

https://discord.com/channels/349243932447604736/688126500834246709 please go here

[proper nebula]

!t latest

[stiff tree]

latest

Latest released iOS versions that are able to be jailbroken
If your device is older than the ones listed here, it's jailbreakable on the newest version.
If your device is newer, it is unable to be jailbroken at all.
No iOS/iPadOS device can be jailbroken on 26.0 or later.

iPhones / iPods

iPhone 13 Series - 14 Series (A15 - A16) 16.5
iPhone SE 3 (A15) 16.5
iPhone XS/XR Series - iPhone 12 Series (A12 - A14) 16.5.1
iPhone SE 2 (A13) 16.5.1
iPhone 8(+), X (A11) 16.7.12
iPhone 6s(+), SE 1, 7(+) / iPod 7 (A9 - A10) 15.8.5

iPads

iPad Pro 6 / iPad Mini 6 (A15 / M2) 16.5
iPad 8 - 10 / iPad Pro 3 - 5 / iPad Air 3 - 5 / iPad Mini 5 (A12 - A14 / M1) 16.5.1
iPad 7 (A10) 18.7.1
iPad 6 / iPad Pro 2 (A10(X)) 17.7.10
iPad 5 / iPad Pro 1 (A9(X)) 16.7.12
iPad Air 2 / iPad Mini 4 (A8(X)) 15.8.5

Use the /canijailbreak command or the buttons below for more information.

Added by Rick.#1738 | Used 2,656 times · Feb 3, 2022, 1:20 PM

[warm wadi]

go to #bot-commands

[junior robin]

I need to create accts

[oak escarp]

no

you need to get a real job

you need to not be a weirdo

[high flame]

seek employment

[junior robin]

Ok

Is there any way to go back from rootful to normal

[cosmic niche]

!t rootfs

[stiff tree]

rootfs

To revert the jailbreak installation on your device, follow the steps below.

palera1n
Rootful: palera1n --force-revert -f
Rootless(default): palera1n --force-revert -l

If the above methods didn't work, see /tag rootfscli for more options.

Dopamine
Reboot, open Dopamine, open the Settings page, then press "Remove Jailbreak"

If you would like to further remove any remnants left after removing the jailbreak, you can install varClean15

Note: Since the rootfs is sealed on iOS 15+, it remains the same across all devices. Thus, "Restore rootfs" means practically the same thing as "Remove Jailbreak"

Added by nyuszika7h#0001 | Used 1,409 times · Apr 14, 2021, 1:00 PM

[proper remnant]

I have an iPhone 8 Plus, and when I jailbreak it, I get the "iPhone is unavailable" error. Restarting the device and removing the jailbreak fixes the problem. How can I fix this?

[silent anchor]

!t nosep ?

[stiff tree]

Hey @proper remnant, have a look at this!

nosep

When using checkra1n/palera1n on the iPhone 8/X running iOS 14 or later, you will not be able to use any of the following SEP features in a jailbroken state:

• Passcode
• Touch ID/Face ID
• Apple Pay

Additionally, if you’ve ever enabled a Passcode on iOS 16 on the iPhone 8/X, you’ll need to erase all content and settings in order to successfully jailbreak with palera1n.

Added by stkc#8018 | Used 1,460 times · Apr 22, 2021, 8:45 PM

[vagrant veldt]

What am I supposed to do

[rough stirrup]

https://docs.website-msw.pages.dev/docs/troubleshoot/troubleshooting-steps/#timed-out-waiting-for-download-mode

[proper remnant]

?

Security Update Arrived. Can I Jailbreak Again If I Update to iOS 16.7.12?

[stone goblet]

Yes

[hallow sluice]

Can I jailbreak’s iPad 6th gen 17.7.7?

[warm wadi]

yes

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n

[worldly vector]

how do you get ipas if you dont have a app store? i forgot the name of the website

[slender jungle]

!tag ipa

Or like

I think thats considered piracy

!t piracy

[stiff tree]

piracy

WE WILL NOT ASSIST WITH PIRACY

What is piracy?
Piracy is a form of unauthorized redistribution such as getting apps, in-app purchases, tweaks or themes without paying for them. This is often also unsafe as you are not getting things from the official source and pirated versions could have malware. This includes getting IPA files for free apps.

How do I know if I have piracy?
If you are not sure if a repo is piracy or not, you can send the name of the repo in to a genius, mod or admin in a DM and ask for further information. If you send a piracy link in a channel you will be filtered and informed further via DM. Doing so may also result in a warning from a member of staff. Use DMs to avoid the possibility.
Do note however that sharing piracy in DMs for any other purpose than asking if it's safe is still a violation of the rules and is warnable.

I have piracy repos and/or pirated tweaks, what should I do?
The standard procedure here is to remove jailbreak (also known as "restore rootfs" on older jailbreaks). To learn more, type /tag rootfs (or /tag legacyrootfs for older jailbreaks).

Added by JTV#5846 | Used 1,862 times · Feb 3, 2021, 8:55 AM

[slender jungle]

!t apk

Apk????

This isnt fuckimg android you stupid

!t ipa

Man fuck this

Idc

[trail raptor]

You do have a App Store

It’s the blue icon with the shapes that make an A

[sweet bramble]

are you on iOS 1 😭

[hardy pawn]

i can jailbreak ios 18 ?

[trail raptor]

No unless iPad 7

[plush silo]

they probably have parental controls or smtn that blocks App Store

[trail raptor]

[[stnuke]]

[stiff tree]

STNuke

Disables Screen Time on the device after installing, bypassing the passcode requirement

Author

iCraze

Version

1.0

Price

Free

Repo

iCraze's Repo

Bundle ID

com.icraze.stnuke

Powered by Canister · Oct 11, 2025, 2:14 AM

[upper grove]

Assuming this and dopamine don’t work on A13 Bionic 18.5?

[warped horizon]

you would be correct

[upper grove]

thought so

[shell apex]

can you help

[warped horizon]

the instructions on the guide are for linux/mac

!t palen1x

[stiff tree]

palen1x

palen1x allows you to use palera1n-c on Windows computers via live-booting. You will need a USB flash drive or SD card for this.

Added by hydrate#9351 | Used 921 times · Feb 22, 2023, 6:39 PM

[shell apex]

oh

[shell apex]

wait i dont hae a usb drie or sd card sir

[oak escarp]

no jb then

[reef lake]

HELLO I'M STUCK after putting the iPhone in dfu, what should I do with it?

PMalera1n

[stone goblet]

PMalera1n

[reef lake]

I use Palera1n xD

J’arrive sur cette écrans

[surreal ferry]

anyone wanna grind lot of money in vc

[alpine nacelle]

Iphone 8plus
Ios16.7.11

Please give me the steps.

[reef lake]

I iPhone X iOS 16,7,11

I bloqu this

I wait ?

[reef lake]

Mon iPhone sors de mode dfu a chaque fois

[cosmic niche]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n/

[warm wadi]

!t roblox

[stiff tree]

Hey @surreal ferry, have a look at this!

roblox

This Discord server is for iOS jailbreaking, not Roblox. Please keep your discussions on-topic, thank you!

Added by SlimShadyIAm#9999 | Used 3,476 times · Dec 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

[warm wadi]

!t checkra1namd

[stiff tree]

Hey @reef lake, have a look at this!

checkra1namd

If you’re on AMD/Ryzen, you may be encountering a few issues when using checkra1n or palera1n. This can vary between freezes and straight up crashes. It’s because of AMD’s weird onboard USB controllers that cause it not to work that well with checkra1n’s/palera1n's exploit. If you’re lucky you can actually successfully manage to jailbreak using checkra1n/palera1n.

Tips to increase successrate:

• Plug your device into your computer's motherboard.
• Use a genuine Apple USB-A to lighting cable.

If you’re stuck on the Apple logo please force reboot yourself (see: /tag reboot).

If these don’t work, try to get your hands on another computer (preferably intel), and try to use checkra1n/palera1n again. You can also purchase a PCIE USB card, such as the Inateck 2 Port PCIE USB 3.0 Card and plug it into the card to fix it.

Added by flower#1116 | Used 284 times · Feb 21, 2022, 2:19 AM

[rustic chasm]

last time i tried rejaiobreaking after my phone rebooted i did the command but it wasn’t letting me do the -l at the end but today my phone rebooted and i rejuakbrije and it worked this time with the -l at the end 👍🏻

[cosmic niche]

Great

[stone goblet]

Mess1ra1n

[cosmic niche]

New jailbreak?

[stone goblet]

Yes A4 to A19 every versions🤑

[cosmic niche]

Tell Aaron to make an announcement

[sick condor]

bro did you know what dopamine updated to ios 26?

with new a19 support ✅

[stone goblet]

Dopamine only ios 15-16.61

[sick condor]

didnt u get the joke?

[cosmic niche]

I think this is not the right channel for jokes

[rough stirrup]

16.6.1 on <A11

[errant lily]

Jailbreak with palera1n in iOS 16.7.11 only rootless?

[solemn verge]

no but also there’s no reason to use rootful in 2025

[errant lily]

Is it? I really don't know, I'm completely new to this.

Is there any way to remake JB without the pc?

[solemn verge]

there is no way to rejailbreak without a computer

[errant lily]

I understand. Will it be possible in the near future or is it unlikely?

[warped horizon]

a whole new jailbreak would have to come out, palera1n can never work without a computer

[dark trout]

Is there a way to jailbreak a ios 26 device

Then its a no ig

[warm wadi]

No

[dark trout]

Uh alright 🫠

[slow shadow]

hey guys, maybe ill have some luck here
i have an ipad 5h gen 2017 wifi 16.7.11 that im trying to jailbreak w palera1n and it hsant worked a single time ive tried

i keep getting download timed out

and even when i disconnect the cable it starts "downloading" only to get another error

[warm wadi]

https://docs.palera.in/docs/troubleshoot/troubleshooting-steps/

[opaque shell]

Yeah man

[narrow jewel]

@loud bridge I am

[loud bridge]

Thank you

Was actually about to lose brain cells

[warm wedge]

I have a 4th Gen Apple TV (A1625) That I'm trying to jailbreak with palera1n, however I don't have a remote for it
-# (I've been using it via nintendo switch joycons since that works, was only able to pair them by first connecting the tv over ethernet and then using an app to control the tv that way)
And so im getting stuck trying to enter DFU mode since I can't press the menu and play buttons,
Is there a way to emulate these key presses inside of the linux laptop im using to run palera1n or do I just need to buy an apple TV siri remote

[honest thorn]

Is there Any jailbreaks for iOS 18

[warm wadi]

what device

[honest thorn]

iPad os

[warm wadi]

thats not the device

what device is it

[honest thorn]

4th gen iPad Air

[warm wadi]

no jailbreak

[honest thorn]

Oh

[warm wadi]

I think you need the remote but try asking in #tvos-jailbreaks

[warm wadi]

This is fake

There is no such thing as a virtual jailbreak

Uninstall it

[honest thorn]

Oh thanks

[warm wadi]

!t ai

[stiff tree]

Hey @honest thorn, have a look at this!

ai

AI is considered a unreliable source of information and should not be used to obtain any jailbreaking advice. This is because some AI models are trained on data that is either outdated and no longer relevant, or is not explicitly trained on iOS jailbreaking. As a result, AI can often "hallucinate" or state something that isn't true. If you would like to jailbreak or get support with one, you may use the buttons below or ask in https://discord.com/channels/349243932447604736/688122301975363591

Added by bradleytechman | Used 32 times · Sep 6, 2025, 11:51 PM

[warm wadi]

There are no jailbreaks dawg

[warm wedge]

alr ty

[warm wadi]

If I tell you there are none, there are none.

[warm wedge]

ch*tgpt 😭

[honest thorn]

What’s wrong with him lol.

[warm wadi]

Well it clearly just gave you completely false information so it should be pretty obvious

[honest thorn]

Ye that’s tooo right tho

[warm wadi]

What

[honest thorn]

Nvm

[warm wedge]

1. LLMs can hallucinate solutions and facts about problems that are completely wrong and often do it 20-50% of the time depending on your problem
2. they search the entire web for soltutions to your problem via keywords, and will provide solutions based on keywords and not based on search frequency, actual rating of the website/search, or forum knowledge on said things from other users, meaning there's nothing stopping ChatGPT from finding a virus and telling you it's the software you need because it doesn't check to see if it's.. yk... ACTUALLY A VIRUS

[honest thorn]

Ye sorry nevermind

[silent anchor]

woah

does this work on ios 18

[stone goblet]

Ipad 7 only

[tepid summit]

how do i download this it’s so confusing and not working

[cosmic niche]

download what

[tepid summit]

palera1n

i’m stuck on the iso file currently

[cosmic niche]

so you are running windows

[tepid summit]

yes

[cosmic niche]

did you go through installing ventoy

[tepid summit]

yes already installed

[cosmic niche]

just copy .iso file to your usb drive

[tepid summit]

it where do i find it

do i have to look one up

[cosmic niche]

!t palen1x

[stiff tree]

palen1x

palen1x allows you to use palera1n-c on Windows computers via live-booting. You will need a USB flash drive or SD card for this.

Added by hydrate#9351 | Used 922 times · Feb 22, 2023, 6:39 PM

[cosmic niche]

click on link to palen1x

[tepid summit]

okay thanks now do i copy and paste into the usb folder?

[cosmic niche]

directly to usb, not any folder

[tepid summit]

how lol

in the usb drive i paste it?

[cosmic niche]

yes

[tepid summit]

then i can boot using the drive now correct

yeah it’s still saying no iso or supported IMG files found

wait

[tepid summit]

does it matter which iso file i download

[cosmic niche]

yes

[tepid summit]

i got it thank you!

[tepid summit]

now how do i get out of this lol

should i just force reboot

i’ll just try that

[cosmic niche]

just reboot

[plucky void]

Does palerain work for 17.5.1?

[plush silo]

What device

[plucky void]

iPhone 13 PRO max

[plush silo]

Nope

[plucky void]

Is there any jailbreak at all for me on 17.5.1 and iPhone 13 PRO max?

[plush silo]

Nope

[plucky void]

Damn, nothing i can do either to downgrade versions?

[plush silo]

Yep

[plucky void]

Ive been looking everywhere nothing i can find

[plucky void]

Any Links u can give me to help me through the process, just tryna do whatever to Jailbreak

[plush silo]

I meant “yes, you can’t downgrade”

[plucky void]

Fck okay

[sour eagle]

for palenix do i still need to unplug and plug in the cable?

[solemn verge]

what device

[sour eagle]

7

[solemn verge]

no but iPhone 7 or iPad 7?

[sour eagle]

iphone

[sour eagle]

hm cause it get to the loading bongo part or wtv and it only works if i unplug then replug it again

idk

unless i’m just inpatient

[warm wadi]

?

[solemn verge]

why are you even using palera1n

you have Dopamine available to you which is far far far more convenient

[sour eagle]

never tried that

does it work the same way?

[solemn verge]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-dopamine

[cedar raft]

Hey there, I’m trying to jailbreak my iPad Pro on 17.7.10, but have windows. Is there a way to still use palera1n and if so can someone point me to a guide?

[solemn verge]

https://ios.cfw.guide/using-palen1x

[mighty anvil]

Hey there, I have an IPhone X with iOS 16.7.12. Wondering what can I use to jailbreak

[stone goblet]

Palera1n

[mighty anvil]

Is it difficult to do?

[cosmic niche]

If you are not totally stupid, then no

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n/

[mighty anvil]

Thx, I was able to finally mange to do it. I was getting stuck in the DFU Mode, but thankfully I had an adapter and it worked right afterwards.

[cosmic niche]

great

[wispy ridge]

does it support ipad os 18.5 yet?

[silent anchor]

It does

[sturdy yew]

@tight crystal

[latent falcon]

does it support ios 26

[lilac marlin]

No

!t latest

[stiff tree]

latest

Latest released iOS versions that are able to be jailbroken
If your device is older than the ones listed here, it's jailbreakable on the newest version.
If your device is newer, it is unable to be jailbroken at all.
No iOS/iPadOS device can be jailbroken on 26.0 or later.

iPhones / iPods

iPhone 13 Series - 14 Series (A15 - A16) 16.5
iPhone SE 3 (A15) 16.5
iPhone XS/XR Series - iPhone 12 Series (A12 - A14) 16.5.1
iPhone SE 2 (A13) 16.5.1
iPhone 8(+), X (A11) 16.7.12
iPhone 6s(+), SE 1, 7(+) / iPod 7 (A9 - A10) 15.8.5

iPads

iPad Pro 6 / iPad Mini 6 (A15 / M2) 16.5
iPad 8 - 10 / iPad Pro 3 - 5 / iPad Air 3 - 5 / iPad Mini 5 (A12 - A14 / M1) 16.5.1
iPad 7 (A10) 18.7.1
iPad 6 / iPad Pro 2 (A10(X)) 17.7.10
iPad 5 / iPad Pro 1 (A9(X)) 16.7.12
iPad Air 2 / iPad Mini 4 (A8(X)) 15.8.5

Use the /canijailbreak command or the buttons below for more information.

Added by Rick.#1738 | Used 2,669 times · Feb 3, 2022, 1:20 PM

[lone trellis]

hi

I have jailbroken with palen1x, my device turned off, how to restore the jailbreak?

[solemn verge]

rerun the command you used to jailbreak

[drifting summit]

checkra1n doesn work no more in newer version?

is palera1n a new type of exploit?

[warm wadi]

palera1n is the same exploit but made for iOS 15+

checkra1n is up to iOS 14

[drifting summit]

make sense.. but havent they patched it in newer release?

[warm wadi]

the exploit is a hardware exploit that cannot be patched with software

A12 patches it

[drifting summit]

there is no more exploits for A12+?

[warm wadi]

no hardware exploits

software yeah

[drifting summit]

pretty coool

[limpid wasp]

why does my ipad 7 on ipados 18.7.1 recovery bootloop when i try to jailbreak?

[ornate whale]

Androbar, Velvet maybe, XenHTML
Not much tweaks here

[oak escarp]

ok

[misty sapphire]

i cant seem to enter dfu mode whatever i do. im on iphone x. i hold the buttongs right. but it just wont work. i also cant use a usb a since my mac only has usb c slots. should i just wait until i get home and then use pale1nx instead on windows? with usb a?

[silent anchor]

!t usbcmoment

[stiff tree]

Hey @misty sapphire, have a look at this!

usbcmoment

TLDR: You'll need a USB-A to Lightning cable.
USB-C to USB-A adapters will work fine.

Added by Cryptic#6293 | Used 461 times · Oct 23, 2021, 12:36 AM

[misty sapphire]

ok well ima just waint until i get to my windows pc then and use a usb a

cuse i dont have one here currently 🙁

[cloud coral]

does jailbreak still work for pokeomon go?

havent jailbreak them in a while is there anything new that i need to know?

[digital pulsar]

Hello

Does anyone know how to fix fakefs mount error

Sched task failed

[cosmic niche]

!t pogo

[stiff tree]

Hey @cloud coral, have a look at this!

pogo

We will not assist with Pokemon Go hacking/cheating/spoofing. There are dedicated servers for those kinds of tweaks, and this server is not one of them. However, we can assist with jailbreaking a device if it is a device and iOS version supported by a current jailbreak utility.

Added by kittymaxine | Used 154 times · Nov 29, 2024, 11:49 PM

[cloud coral]

oh damn

i ran into an issue, im not sure why i get this while trying to jailbreak my iphone x Cannot open temporary file /var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n0000000000000/T//Pongo.bin.VArjqm: 13 (Permission denied)

[digital pulsar]

The last time my ipad was on it was jailbroken n now i cant rjb

[rare harbor]

Hey guys, huge problem here, I resetted my iPhone 7 plus to factory settings (it has the factory issue that can’t read SIM cards) and I updated to iOS 15.8.5 and I want to Palera1n it but now I can’t get out of here no matter what I do

Am I cooked or is there a way to bypass it?

[cosmic niche]

you are cooked I suppose

[cloud coral]

how do I fix this issue? Cannot open temporary file /var/folders/zz/zyxvpxvq6csfxvn_n0000000000000/T//Pongo.bin.VArjqm: 13 (Permission denied)

[warm wadi]

on what

[warm wadi]

cooked

baseband is dead

[cloud coral]

I got it papi, i just unplug my cable and plug it back in lol

[warm wadi]

ok

[cloud coral]

ion why it like that but it work so 🤣

thx for replying to my text tho

[loud juniper]

i get "Unable to open device: e00002c5 (error code: -status_open_device_error)"

any idea's?

[warm wadi]

elaborate

what ios, what device, you gotta give us some info

[loud juniper]

iPhone X, iOS 16.7.11

[limpid wren]

Hey guys, I have an iPad 9 that's owner-locked... I'm just getting into the iPad world. How do I unlock it? Is this the right place to ask?

[warm wadi]

!t icloudbypass

[vital apex]

!t icloudbypass

[warm wadi]

bro

gir

[stiff tree]

Hey @limpid wren, have a look at this!

icloudbypass

Discussion of iCloud/Activation Lock/passcode/MDM (Mobile Device Management) bypass, asking how to do it, or posting about it is not allowed. No, it doesn't matter if the phone is yours or not. We will not help you with it. If you do own it, it’s recommended to use the links below.

If you forgot your Apple ID - Apple Support

If you forgot your Apple ID password - Apple Support

How to remove Activation Lock - Apple Support

If you forgot the passcode on your iPhone, or your iPhone is disabled - Apple Support

Added by JTV#5846 | Used 4,216 times · May 21, 2021, 4:49 PM

[vital apex]

[stiff tree]

Pong!

Message Latency

205ms

API Latency

45ms

[warm wadi]

Thanks gir

[limpid wren]

tnks

[warm wadi]

is your device unlocked and on the home screen

[limpid wren]

locked

[warm wadi]

not you

i replied to someone else

[limpid wren]

oh, my bad

[loud juniper]

;-;

[warm wadi]

@limpid wren read this message again

i will not help you with it in dms

[ornate whale]

hi
I have jailbroken with palen1x, my device turned off, how to restore the jailbreak?

[warm wadi]

re run the same command in palen1x

[valid night]

Is there a guide on how to jailbreak my iPhone X?

[plush silo]

https://ios.cfw.guide

[cosmic niche]

which iOS

[valid night]

I don’t have it yet, I ordered it but I thought there is a general jailbreak for a version

Probably gonna be latest on iPhone X anyways

Refurbished one

[cosmic niche]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-palera1n/

[valid night]

tyty

[cosmic niche]

np

[valid night]

only doable in macOS and Linux? I got Windows

[cosmic niche]

!t palen1x

[stiff tree]

Hey @valid night, have a look at this!

palen1x

palen1x allows you to use palera1n-c on Windows computers via live-booting. You will need a USB flash drive or SD card for this.

Added by hydrate#9351 | Used 923 times · Feb 22, 2023, 6:39 PM

[valid night]

If it’s on 11.1.1?

[cosmic niche]

https://ios.cfw.guide/installing-electra/

[valid night]

Sorry for the stupid question, I just read through the guide, do I understand it correctly that after I jailbroke the phone, I have to redo the jailbreak every 7 days?

[cosmic niche]

you need to redo jailbreak each reboot

and jailbreak app needs to be resigned every 7 days to work

[valid night]

Aight tyvm

[cosmic niche]

so if you jailbreak, you have 1 month uptime, you dont need to do anything

for example

but then if you reboot, you will not be able to jailbreak due to app certificate expire

so there is I suppose Reprovision Reborn to automatically resign it for you

[abstract sigil]

Just go trollstore

[abstract sigil]

Not each 7 days

It is after each reboot or shutdown

My device is running jailbreak for more then 15 days as of now

[warped horizon]

trollstore isn't on ios 11

[upbeat cairn]

Jailbreaks for series 6 Apple Watches?

[solemn verge]

there is no end-user jailbreak for Apple Watches (and no developer jailbreak beyond like watchOS 4 or something)

[coarse nimbus]

Hi, someone knows of a tweak/utility I can use with palera1n jb to set jetsam limits / RAM priority with an app? ty in advance

[hidden urchin]

Anyone get the error where it times out waiting for download mode? No I do not have a password

Never mind I got it, if anyone else faces the issue just have to time your unplug right, as soon as it says ‘DFU mode device disconnected’ unplug and replug

[ornate whale]

i get "Unable to open device: e00002c5 (error code: -status_open_device_error)"
any idea's?

[warm wadi]

@loud bridge another one of those messages repeating scam (?) bots

#palera1n message

new account, same message, just joined, random username, doesn't add up

[plush silo]

probably just his alt to get more attention

[warm wadi]

no there has been a few of these same bots alrwdy

[plush silo]

Oh

[tropic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-vaughn-chat-vaughn-chat-gif-3022388178761557481

[sly ermine]

I did a rootless jailbreak with Palera1n on my iPhone 8. I set the root password when I first opened Sileo, but when I try to use that password via SSH, it gives an error. Is that because it’s a rootless jailbreak, or something else?

[warped horizon]

make sure you're logging in with the username mobile, not root

you can still use sudo

[sly ermine]

for use root i need rootfull?

[warped horizon]

rootful wouldn't change anything

!t rootlogin

[stiff tree]

rootlogin

PSA: Logging in as root
Logging in as root is no longer supported. Nor is it recommended. Instead you can use the mobile user and run commands with sudo which will run them as root. You should have set your sudo password when jailbreak for the first time. If you do not remember setting a password, default passwords may be alpine or 0000.
Sudo is a better practice than root login.
if you desperately need root shell because you cope hard, sudo -i -u root

Added by Cryptic#6293 | Used 47 times · May 3, 2023, 4:07 AM

[sly ermine]

thanks

[proud thicket]

What even do these bots do

[errant lily]

Is it possible to jailbreak IP 8, iOS 16.7.12 with MacOS on VirtualBox?

I've been having trouble with Palen1x on AMD

[solemn verge]

vm's generally don't work

[cloud coral]

what is the compatibility chart for palera1n?

does it work with 11 pro?

[solemn verge]

no

[cloud coral]

gotcha, thx papi

[trail raptor]

They are logger bots

But they just copy and paste a message to be less noticable/be more hidden as “bots”

They don’t ban them tho for whatever reason

[warm wadi]

Well nooka banned the first two that popped up so that's why I pinged him again

[eager gust]

is palera1n loader real or fake https://github.com/palera1n/loader

[warm wadi]

real, anything from the palera1n organization on github is real

though you can't use that on its own, it comes with the jailbraek

[eager gust]

oh well that's great thanks

so after palera1n once, i can load again?

[vital apex]

for something like spy.pet or whatever it was?

i wasn't aware of that i thought they were just scam bots or something

[warm wadi]

if i'm understanding what you are saying then no , once you are jailbroken the app will appear and you can install sileo. if your devicce restarts or runs out of battery, then you can simply run the same command on your computer again and everything will come back.

[eager gust]

oh so i can't reload the jailbreak after i lose power or restart

ok thanks

[warm wadi]

not from your phone

you need to run the same command you initially used to jailbreak, in this case palera1n -l

[eager gust]

ok

[trail raptor]

Idk for sure but I know it’s for logging shit

[vital apex]

[trail raptor]

They could be used for scamming aswell/instead but still it’s worthy of a ban imo

@vital apex #tvos-jailbreaks message one here aswell

[vital apex]

Ty

[cosmic niche]

up to A11

[proud thicket]

I see

[cinder cloak]

When trying to install palera1n it’s saying unable to create a plug-in

[warm wadi]

show the full error

[cinder cloak]

<error>: unable to create a plug-in (e00002c7) (error code: -status_create_plugin_error_1)

[regal quail]

Mood cause finally jailbreaked my phone

[sweet bramble]

customize

start tweaking

[ember summit]

so in a few days i get an iphone 8 so i switched from my jailbreaked iphone 6 is there anything i need to know before jailbreaking the iphone 8?

[warped horizon]

if you're using palera1n you won't be able to set a real passcode

!t nosep

[stiff tree]

nosep

When using checkra1n/palera1n on the iPhone 8/X running iOS 14 or later, you will not be able to use any of the following SEP features in a jailbroken state:

• Passcode
• Touch ID/Face ID
• Apple Pay

Additionally, if you’ve ever enabled a Passcode on iOS 16 on the iPhone 8/X, you’ll need to erase all content and settings in order to successfully jailbreak with palera1n. Disabling it in settings only will not work and you must fully factory reset. If you wish to restore from a backup, then backup with the passcode disabled and reset.

Added by stkc#8018 | Used 1,473 times · Apr 22, 2021, 8:45 PM

[cosmic niche]

Can we stop calling it no sep? That's just not true. No sep would have all the caveats of seprmvr64.
It has a sep like normal, it's just that sepos will refuse data decryption if bpr is set and you have a passcode. And bpr is set if you boot from DFU mode.

[oak escarp]

ok

[vital apex]

ok

[oak escarp]

thanks bro

<@&355174844205367317>

[knotty rampart]

Maxine

[oak escarp]

maxine

[vital apex]

Maxine

[cosmic niche]

Maxine

[pliant root]

Maxine

[stone goblet]

Maxine

[plush silo]

Maxine

[cosmic niche]

ok

[trail raptor]

ok

[plush silo]

ok

[stone goblet]

ok

[icy shore]

Sad cause my lil bro updated my phone to iOS 26 bc he said it was COOL

[cosmic niche]

ok

[frigid adder]

ok

[stone goblet]

ok

[hollow crane]

can someone help? i did all this to this step Press enter once you see the Ventoy screen to boot into palen1x and when i do that its not getting me in palen1x window its just some blackscreen and on this is what it says on it/ error: no such device :/ ...
error unkown filesystem.
entering rescue mode...
grub rescue>
something like that dose anyone know why?

[cosmic niche]

are you using amd pc?

[timber night]

Hi all. Looking to get trollstore back on my iPhone. For some reason, it deleted. Is that something that needs to be done via sideloady?

[sweet bramble]

do you have a persistence helper

[timber night]

Sorry. Not sure what that means

IOS is 15.8.5

I tried downloading on the cfw ios guide, but my pc is refusing to download bc it isn’t trusted and most likely has malware on it

[sick condor]

disable your antivirus

[cosmic niche]

!t antivirus

[stiff tree]

Hey @timber night, have a look at this!

antivirus

Modern antiviruses or browsers will detect applications like TrollInstallerX or Dopamine as viruses/malware. They are only flagged due to the exploits used to install TrollStore or jailbreak.

Temporarily disable your antivirus if it is flagging the files needed for installing TrollStore and/or jailbreaking. It may also intervene with the sideloading process

To keep the file in Chrome, you can press the 3 dots in the menu bar then press downloads or navigate to chrome://downloads, press the 3 dots on that file, "Keep dangerous Download" twice.

For Windows Defender, disabling real-time protection should be sufficient.

You should re-enable it after you jailbreak your phone.

Added by Black Swordsman#2802 | Used 405 times · Nov 6, 2021, 9:22 PM

[timber night]

Ok. I was able to download it, but I think because the ios is below 16, developer mode isn’t available

And it’s an iphone 7, so the support life ended before ios 16

You need developer mode for sideloadly don’t you? Have it plugged into my pc and says no device detected in sideloadly

Sorry lol. User error

[fluid pilot]

It si

Is

[plush silo]

liquid ass

[half reef]

what does jailbreaking an iphone do

[cosmic niche]

!t shouldyoujb

[stiff tree]

Hey @half reef, have a look at this!

shouldyoujb

Pros

• Far more customization than stock iOS/iPadOS, Including code injection into apps and the system.
• Access to the command line and various command line tools.
• Can modify root or your user folder depending on what jailbreak you use.
• The ability to sign apps permanently or have it automatically done depending on what iOS version you’re on.

Cons

• With semi-tethered/tethered jailbreaks on certain device and version combos, you would be unable to use SEP functions (FaceID/Passcode/Apple Pay). There are tweaks to “bring” some of those functions back (not including Apple Pay), but those only persist in a jailbroken state.
• Some jailbreaks can’t boot in a jailbroken state at all without a use of a computer.
• You lose security, meaning you’re more vulnerable to malware/spyware with the things you’re installing.
• Apps can detect a modified device and block you from using them. Many of these apps have bypasses but less work on more recent iOS versions.
• Having to stay on a lower iOS version will eventually cause app, service and hardware incompatibilities to arise. Such as apple products requiring newer iOS versions to fully work.
• It's possible to break your iOS or jailbreak install if you're not careful.
• Jailbreaks themselves can cause system instability, battery drain or have bugs.

If you are willing to accept the risks and learn how to use a jailbreak and compatible software, visit iOS Guide with the button below to see if your device can be jailbroken and receive instructions on how to do so.

Added by Superuser#1958 | Used 78 times · Jan 10, 2023, 6:55 PM

[limpid wasp]

can somebody help me my ipad 7 is stuck in recovery and palera1n isnt detecting it

[warm wadi]

!t reboot

[stiff tree]

Hey @limpid wasp, have a look at this!

reboot

This will force reboot the device. For normal rebooting instructions, see the normalreboot tag.

iPhone 8 or newer (including all notched devices, iPhone SE 2020 and newer):

• Press and release volume up
• Press and release volume down
• Press and hold the side button for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears

iPhone 7:

• Press and hold the volume down and power buttons for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears

iPhone 6S/SE 2016/iPad 8th or older:

• Press and hold the home and power buttons for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears

Added by JTV#5846 | Used 2,128 times · Mar 14, 2021, 7:51 PM

[limpid wasp]

already tried that

it wont exit

[cinder cloak]

Rejailbroke my iPad with palera1n 2.0.0 and when I open the palera1n app it says unable to proceed

[trail raptor]

Basically uses exploits to basically break your phone form “jail” to install custom made features and customization called “tweaks”

[opaque bolt]

Any idea why I’m getting the timeout to enter download mode on iPhone X trying to install palera1n? Only thought is the Linux I’m using is run through Ubuntu. Anyone know if that’s the definitive problem?