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atomic umbra
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Alternative to docker, still OCI compliant

proven grove
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docker > podman (imho)

atomic umbra
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But the daemon and container processes don't run as root

proven grove
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Sure, but you can also setup docker to run as a non-root user as well.

atomic umbra
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Yup, rootless docker. That's what I use. The subuid/subgid bit still seems kinda pointless to me though

proven grove
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But, for my use case, podman has no swarm mode. So, it's a non-starter for me.

lofty crescent
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I think my pi is now frozen

proven grove
atomic umbra
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I just use a separate user for each deployment instead of trying to fuss with what seems like a needlessly complicated permission issue on the host machine

lofty crescent
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BecuaeI nothing moves when I try and move my mouse or type

atomic umbra
proven grove
proven grove
atomic umbra
lofty crescent
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Just did that to reset it

atomic umbra
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BTW how are you powering it? Did you get a kit that included an adapter?

lofty crescent
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No I just found a big plug

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I can’t figure out how to post a second photo on imager

atomic umbra
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There should be numbers on it, usually on the same side of the block as the prongs

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Okay, calling it a night. Fingers crossed that I don't get paged at 2 am again 🀞

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But yeah @lofty crescent , I mention that because if the adapter doesn't provide enough power, it's not uncommon for single board computers to freeze like that

sterile raft
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(especially when they also power a screen)

lofty crescent
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How do I actually install the docker I can’t find a specific link

proven grove
lofty crescent
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I’m on that on my raspberry pi but don’t understand how to install it

proven grove
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Use a terminal and follow the instructions.

sterile raft
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youtube has good tuts for that too

lofty crescent
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Why is this all so frustrating

proven grove
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It's not... just a learning curve... if you're getting frustrated, take a break and come back to it. πŸ™‚

sterile raft
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i feel you, the result will be rewarding tho πŸ™‚

lofty crescent
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I have been trying to do this for 2 days

proven grove
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Sure... but you have support now. πŸ™‚

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But seriously, if you are frustrated, take a 15 minute break, have some coffee or tea or energy drink and then come back. I'll be here most of the day.

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(and/or others as well)

sterile raft
lofty crescent
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It’s 6pm for me I started today at 12

proven grove
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lol dinner then?

lofty crescent
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Yeah basically

sterile raft
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ok archie, so where are you stuck now

lofty crescent
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I put in sudo install -m 0755 -d /ect/apt/keyrings and it wasn’t doing anything just gave me a new line to type in

sterile raft
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might be okay, not all commands give an answer

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you can verify later with the helloworld example

lofty crescent
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I’m going to take a break and come to this later

proven grove
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Feel free to ping me when you're ready.

sterile raft
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@proven grove guess i still want to have an onscreen keyboard which auto-hides when not in an input field

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do you know by chance which does that?

proven grove
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πŸ€”

sterile raft
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there apparently was florence, but its not even in apt sources

proven grove
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Outside of wayfire, I don't know any way to do it off the top of my head.

sterile raft
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@proven grove still around?

proven grove
sterile raft
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i am a bit confused about autologin, i just read that:

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am i right that i could whitelist an IP there which bypasses the login?

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says only works with 1 user tho

proven grove
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Correct. You can whitelist an ip address and also provide a list of trusted users.

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Not sure how that would work though with your setup since HA and the client are using the same IP address. since it's not a common configuration, im not entirely sure how HA will act.

sterile raft
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true

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and i think i just found the cause why it doesnt save the password between restarts

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--incognito

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πŸ˜„

proven grove
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Since the client and HA are the same box, I'd just use the remember me option. and yeah, incognito mode will dk that. lol

sterile raft
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all working so far πŸ™‚ also installed onboard keyboard which has some minimize button, which will do the trick whenever i need onscreen input

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now i just need to learn how to do a good frontend

proven grove
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Woot! Awesome. Glad to hear it... I'm the wrong person to ask about frontend (I rarely, if ever, use my dashboard).

sterile raft
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and: i created an user for the raspberry, is there a way to "hide" the complete user from everything?

proven grove
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You mean a HA user?

sterile raft
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yea

proven grove
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Kinda, but not exactly. You can hide dashboards from users, but in terms of actually locking down, no.

sterile raft
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nah, rather the other way around - as me and my partner, i dont wanna see the raspberry user

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and yeah sucks a bit not to have a proper role management too

proven grove
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Like in the OS GUI?

sterile raft
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yea

proven grove
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Oh, I dunno. 😦

sterile raft
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well guess i just hide all entities related to it then

sterile raft
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is there any way i can tell my music-assistant container to start AFTER the home assistant container?

proven grove
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Using compose?

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@sterile raft ^^^

sterile raft
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guess so, yeah

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just wonder how i say it "wait for" tho

proven grove
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depends_on:
  - [other container name]
sterile raft
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must have overseen this

proven grove
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So, in my compose.yaml, I have HA start after mariadb, etc.

sterile raft
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i dont even have mariadb, guess its just ha having its own db

proven grove
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lol I was just using it as an example.

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But, use the depends_on: to have your containers start in the order you need them to.

sterile raft
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if you not use the frontend too much, what do you mainly use HA for?

proven grove
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lol oh, I use HA for EVERYTHING, but my goal is to have a house that reacts to me rather than me controlling it. So, LOTS of motion and contact sensors, presence sensors, etc. I don't think I've actually used a switch or anything on my dashboards for at least a week now.

sterile raft
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oh wow, i wanna get there too πŸ˜„ but for me the problems occured fast...

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in the bathroom i have a door switch plus a presence sensor and a temperature humidity one

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so when i go to the shower in the morning, the light turns on, which is fine

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however there are times where the presence detector falsely detects non-presence when i am still in, disabling its ability to switch the light off due to false positives

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you could say you'd use that cat-in-the-box approach and dont change stuff while the door is closed

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but what if my girlfriend comes in too and maybe leaves the door open then

proven grove
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Yeah, those are things that have taken me a LONG time to perfect. The trick is making sure to have sensors that are adjustable. So, in my bathroom, I have an Apollo MSR-1 that has been tuned to detect in zones. So, if I'm in the shower, that's gate 7-8 and I have template sensors that look at the gate energy and then determines if the shower is occupied or not.

sterile raft
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also i dont want to be forced to leave the door closed just for that

proven grove
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But, I also have a door sensor that when closed, turns off the bathroom automations and timers until it's opened again.

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That way, the lights, fan, etc all stay on regardless of if I'm curled up in a ball on the shower floor. πŸ˜‰

sterile raft
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mhm i'd rather would try to avoid mmwave myself, so thats no option for me :/

proven grove
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Really? But why? mmWave is AWESOME.

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And so much more reliable compared to PIR sensors.

sterile raft
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health concerns basically

proven grove
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??? I'm confued now... there's health concerns with mmWave? I mean, it's basically measuring energy.

sterile raft
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i am not wearing an aluminum foil hat, no worries πŸ˜„

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isn't it sending waves then?

proven grove
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lol I'm concerned about you sir. πŸ™‚

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Well, yeah. It does send out waves, but not like how 5G does or whatever. Different (lower) frequencies.

sterile raft
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mhm, couldnt hurt to try around right πŸ˜„

proven grove
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Honestly, the low power doesn't seem to affect anything, but I'm not a doctor or anything. Compared to PIR sensors though, it's a game changer. Opens you up to all sorts of cool things like target tracking, range, etc. I have this one automation I've been playing with that increases a light's brightness the closer you get to the sensor. Can't do stuff like that with PIR.

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Like, in my kitchen, the lights know if I'm at the sink, or at the stove, or just sitting at the breakfast bar and ONLY those lights come in.

sterile raft
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so how many of those do you use?

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they come at a price tag i see

proven grove
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Ummm... I think I have 9 presence sensors now? 2 are zigbee, 2 are Aqara FP2s (highly do not recommend those) and the rest are Apollo MSR-1/MTR-1 sensors.

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Pretty much replaced all of my PIR sensors except for a few.

sterile raft
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why not the aqara? thats the round ones right

proven grove
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Let me start a thread... we are WAY off topic.

frozen lava
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Too advanced for this crowd?

raven forge
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No, just not enough information but these would be the commands to do what you asked for. Whether this works you have to try.

umount /dev/sda8
fsck /dev/sda8

I'd recommend to do things like that with a live linux ISO of your preference.
Pretty sure HAOS also does this at boot on its own.
You can also try to spam E during boot and add fsck.XXX kernel parameters: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-fsck@.service.html

sterile raft
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what would be the best way to enable https for home assistant other than using duckdns or that other service?

tender wren
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The Home Assistant Cloud subscription.

sterile raft
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yea, without that either

tender wren
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Something else you don't want?

proven grove
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Those are really the only ways to do it... DuckDNS, cloudflared or NC.

sterile raft
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well, for my webhost i just have a script which renews the lets encrypt certificates for me, no external fuzz

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wondered if something like that worked too for HA

tender wren
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There is Lets Encrypt for HAOS.

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You would still have to take care of the DNS and port forwardings.

sterile raft
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so that wont work for HA on container?

proven grove
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Sure it would.

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You would just have to do the port forwarding to the container host machine.

tender wren
proven grove
sterile raft
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yea thought so... next thing i'll break lol

peak merlin
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Hello,
I have just recently bought myself my very own raspberry pi 5 the idea to run raspberry pi os and use samba as a little portable nas using a NVME base but also want to run docker to run home assistant os so I can also use it for home assistant without having to run another pi just with home assistant which seems like a bit of a waste but am a bit lost there are lots of tutorials already out there and they all seem to be different just wondering if anyone has any good ones thanks!

grand pivot
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just install HA via container

peak merlin
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I don’t understand the path to your config thing I’m new to this sort of stuff and that’s the thing that has me stumped

grand pivot
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Make a directory and specify the path to it

raven forge
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Or use a relative path like this. This will use/create a directory in the same path where the compose file is.

volumes:
  - ./haconfig:/config
weak sand
raven forge
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What am I supposed to do with this? I want the HAOS logs. You can get them with the commands and instructions I gave you.

weak sand
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Which command ?

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I'll explain to you again when I'll have all the information you'are asking ! don't worry

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this one ? journalctl -ru docker.service | less, journalctl -ru hassos-supervisor.service | less

raven forge
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Yes but it's not one command. Hence the commas and separate code blocks for each.

weak sand
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oh ok it's 2 commands ? journalctl -ru docker.service | less and then journalctl -ru hassos-supervisor.service | less

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maybe that's one I had a black screen haha

weak sand
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But for supervisor it doesn't show the log I don't know why but I've put "journalctl -ru hassos-supervisor.service | less"

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for the context, I'me on a PC in mode administrator, I don't have internet on it so I used a USB key to download VirtualBox and the .vbi file. But When I've powerued my VM it's saying "Waiting for the Home Assistant CLI to be ready..." and then "[Warn] Home assistant CLI not starting ! Jump into emergency console..." so I don't really know to do now... The strange part is that when I try on my personal PC with internet and everything it works perfectly so I don't think I've failed the installation. I think the problem comes from the fact I'm on administrator...

raven forge
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HAOS needs internet to finish the installation.

weak sand
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ah

humble mirage
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Also to set up any integration

weak sand
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double ah

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I would assume I can't do everything on my personal PC and then transfer it on the administrator PC ?

humble mirage
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Depends on what you mean

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If you clone a VM then that'll work

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Restoring a backup won't

frozen lava
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How can I figure out what's behind a 400 Bad Request when uploading a backup on a fully clean new HAOS install?

weak sand
atomic umbra
humble mirage
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How can I clone a VM ?

frozen lava
humble scaffoldBOT
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@frozen lava I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

πŸ“Ž message.txt
quick ocean
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Hi, i'm running a headless ubunto server 22.04.2 LTS on a PI 4 4GB.
Everything has been running fine but I have moved the Pi to a new site and I'm trying to get it to access the new wifi.
I have edited the network-config file on the sd card to the following below. Where [] brackets are part of the existing network name just didn't blank this out, in case this can cause issues. Also the text is ANSI and LF line ending. Don't know if this can cause issues.
I have rebooted the machine a couple of time as I read somewhere this was need to make the new changes take affect.
https://postimg.cc/mc02DPWr
but not able to get it to connect to my wifi

humble mirage
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If that's running Ubuntu then why are you using the Home Assistant OS way of configuring WiFi?

quick ocean
humble mirage
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Well, the HAOS way will only work on HAOS

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Also, I really hope that's not a Supervised install

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Maybe try quoting the SSID? '[...]'

quick ocean
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Tried quoting the SSID, no luck. Ended up setting it up to a screen and keyboard and went that way. It worked out.
No supervised, docker container.

fierce hinge
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Hi all i have a running system on raspberry pi3 b, now i want to update the hardware whit raspberry pi5. i have google assistant backup where i store my backups. if i make a clean install on pi5, can i then reuse the old pi3 backup?

humble mirage
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Yes

humble scaffoldBOT
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@peak merlin I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

πŸ“Ž message.txt
humble mirage
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You should use a compose file anyway πŸ˜‰

peak merlin
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id love to know what that means first time using docker

humble mirage
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Well, you've mixed compose file YAML and command line args, that's the problem

# 
docker run -d \
  --name homeassistant \
  --privileged \
  --restart=unless-stopped \
  -e TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE \
  -v /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config \
  -v /run/dbus:/run/dbus:ro \
  --network=host \
  ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable
``` from the docs
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You added a random /volumes and -

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Use a compose file though, those are easy to edit to make changes

peak merlin
humble mirage
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All the more reason to start right πŸ˜‰

peak merlin
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will it just make the config file or do I need to physically make one?

humble mirage
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You make one, somewhere you'll back up

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I put all my Docker files in /data/docker and other /data/ folders for other software - eg /data/homeassistant

grand pivot
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if configuration.yaml doesn't exist there, it will create a default one

humble mirage
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(I was assuming we were still talking about Docker, not HA)

peak merlin
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alright got it to work i was just being stupid pretty much

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is there a way to import a backup into home assistant or are u supposed to do it when loading it up as i wasnt given the option

grand pivot
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With a container installation, you just extract the contents of the backup into your config directory after deleting the contents

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with HA not running

peak merlin
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how do i get to the data I know whats its named but cant find it?

humble mirage
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What do you mean "the data"?

peak merlin
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sorry the config

grand pivot
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extract the backup

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into your config directory

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it's just a tar file

peak merlin
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Yeah ive got the tar file backup folder but how do i extract it to the config directory? sorry im painful and confused

grand pivot
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you extracted it and you're asking how to extract it?

humble mirage
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tar is the command to extract a tarball

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tar tf petunia.tar to see the contents

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tar xf petunia.tar to extract it

grand pivot
raven forge
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That's a big link.

grand pivot
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don't be jealous

peak merlin
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So i have the .tar backup from ages ago when i use to use home assistant but i dont understand how to extract that file into the home assistant config

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my reaction also

humble mirage
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Did you ... read anything above?

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I gave you the commands, and RobC gave you Google to help you learn more

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Where exactly are you stuck?

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You may want to run HAOS in a VM

peak merlin
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thats what i want to do idealy since im used to running home assistant os through a raspberry pi but im using it now for octoprint and wanted to use my raspi 5 for a nas and haos

humble mirage
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Right, so ... run HAOS in a VM on the Pi?

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That would mean not using Docker for it

median shale
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don't use a raspi for a nas.

peak merlin
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i mean its worked great for me for the past year

median shale
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just because you CAN do something doesn't make it a good idea

humble mirage
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Unusually ... I agree

grand pivot
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remember the dinosaurs

median shale
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I remember the day I learned that my favorite dinosaur wasn't actually a dinosaur

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I was simultaneously crushed at the revelation and elated that I could lord that fact over others. sadly it hasn't actually come up that much

grand pivot
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you should definitely bring that up unprompted at the next party you attend

median shale
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everyone would be like, "we know, Tom. you told us at the last party"

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"and the one before that"

grand pivot
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eventually there are no parties to worry about

fallen badger
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how can I connect my pi wireless to wifi?
so I don't have to use lan

tender wren
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Go to the network section in your settings. There should be options for wlan0.
But: don't do that. Keep it wired.

fallen badger
humble mirage
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The HA UI

fallen badger
lyric palm
humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
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Not really related to installing Home Assistant πŸ˜‰ Try the ESPHome Discord or the #diy-archived channel here

zealous hawk
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I currently run HAOS as VM through VMWare. I want to either use Proxmox or just go bare metal on my NUC. Are there any other benefits to Promox than easily restore snapshots when something breaks instead of restore from a normal backup? Maybe once the last two years I did a restore from backup. I have other systems I can use to run other stuff so I won't run anything else on that PC. I'm trying to simplify things so bare metal is tempting.

humble mirage
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If the only thing there will be HAOS then go bare metal

lofty crescent
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I am trying to set up my first HAOS, I have installed it on my raspberry pi and logged in and everything. I want to use the same Pi as a dashboard and the server. However when I try and do Sudo apt update it states that it does not recognise the command.

tidal horizon
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HAOS doesnt have a graphical interface on the server machine itself, you will need to access the dashboard by another device connecting to the IP:8123 of your server

sonic flint
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Hello! I have HAOS running as a vm on unraid since quite some time and without a problem. Lately I got three warnings:

  • Unsupported system - CGroup version
  • Unsupported system - Systemd issues
  • Unsupported system - Operating System

I since then updated to 2024.6.1 and restarted the system but the repair notifications persist.

Since I'm using HAOS I thought the configurations should ne set correctly and I'm wondering how correct the warnings are? For example the suggested solution for the Operating System is to "install the host with one of the supported operating systems".

proven grove
humble mirage
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They said HAOS... so ...

lofty crescent
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Tbh I have no idea

humble mirage
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If you flashed an image that included HA you used HAOS

proven grove
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I was helping you the other day... you seemed to have a plan (and I gave you a set of instructions). What happened?

lofty crescent
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I gave up and couldn’t remember what to do so I just tried to google it, can you find the instructions?

zealous hawk
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Does HAOS support touch screen keyboard from monitors like "7 Inch Full View LCD IPS Press Screen 1024X600 HD HDMI Display Monitor for Raspberry Pi"?

lofty crescent
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Let me see if I have this right, I need a basic RPI with the RPI dashboard. I then want to set up HA, then go onto chromium and put in the IP for the HA

proven grove
humble mirage
lofty crescent
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How do I set up HA if it not the official one

humble mirage
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If you want a local UI on that Pi then I really hope that's at least a 4 GB Pi4

sonic flint
empty bloom
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are you sure you are using HAOS and not Supervised?

sonic flint
# empty bloom are you sure you are using HAOS and not Supervised?

I thought I was since I started the vm with an home assistant image... But you may be correct:
I checked and it's "Home Assistant Supervised" but the Operating System Version ist set to "6.6.29-haos" so I'm a little bit confused tbh. Also are the checks new or why did they just suddenly appear without me touching systemd etc.?

empty bloom
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looks like your OS is haos, so you are running HAOS

mint karma
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tried looking it up but any mentions of a similar error have no replies. I succesfully set it up on a rpi4 and was trying to set it up on a mini PC

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HAOS that is

proven grove
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Does the PC have internet access? Do you have IPV6 enabled or disabled?

mint karma
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ipv6 disabled and yup has internet access

raven forge
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Can you check ha host logs?

mint karma
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all good after a few hours of troubleshooting I gave up and am going to stick with the rpi4 for now. thanks though!

raven forge
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🀷

peak merlin
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Trying to install HAOS on proxmox but everytime I launch the VM it just comes up with the UEFI interactive shell tried disabling secure boot which was already disabled which didnt work?

raven forge
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What steps did you take? Did you add the disk to the boot order?

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Please share the Hardware and Options tabs of the VM.

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

peak merlin
peak merlin
peak merlin
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I have changed the boot order and tried didnt work

raven forge
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scsi0 is not in the boot order list. You should also enable the guest agent.
Any reason why you use local rather than local-lvm? You're not getting snapshots or thin allocation with your current setup either. Do not recommend.

peak merlin
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just how it was when I set it up i think

novel moon
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What's the easiest way to upgrade to the previous month (2024.5.x) with HAOS? Normally I'd wait just before the next release to upgrade, but my update sensor is now showing 2024.6.2.

tender wren
white mason
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Having some trouble setting up home assistant, Not sure if i could borrow someone for a second

fathom condor
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So why is there no native Windows version of this software? Why is it always a Linux software where the windows installation always requires a virtual machine running Linux? I found a generic Zigbee USB dongle on Amazon for controlling any Zigbee device (not limited to a specific brand) and that Amazon item says it works with a variety of software including Home Assistant. So I was expecting this to be Windows software as Windows is the OS that 99% of the population uses.

I'm sad to see it appears to be only a Linux thing.

raven forge
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Windows is the OS that 99% of the population uses
Not for servers. HAOS which most people use is a linux based OS.

humble mirage
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Most servers run some version of Unix/Linux

humble mirage
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If that's not what you're setting up then let us know so we can direct you to the right channel

azure thicket
humble mirage
humble scaffoldBOT
azure thicket
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Okay, i will post my question there. Thanks! πŸ™‚

humble mirage
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All channels have a topic that explains what's on-topic, your problem isn't installing HA or a broken HA install, so it's not this channel πŸ˜‰

weak sand
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Hi, When i do network info I see my Vm address, dns and gateway. Is there a way to change this info ? Because I dont have a DHCP server so I need to change everything manually but I don't know how to do it

humble scaffoldBOT
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Network

Open your Home Assistant instance and manage your systems network configuration

raven forge
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Why don't you have a DHCP server?

weak sand
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I'm in a company, we are in static IP... I'm in a labo of test

weak sand
# humble scaffold

I can't go there because I can't power the VM because I don't have the IP of he Vm which i'm tring to put mannualy

raven forge
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You can temporarily change your own ip to be able to reach it or update the ip via the CLI.
Something like this might do.

ha network update NIC_FROM_HA_NETWORK_INFO --ipv4-method static --ipv4-gateway xxx --ipv4-address yyy

See ha network update --help.

weak sand
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amzing thx ! I'll try that

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Do you happen to know how to change the keyboard ? to type all of that it will be hard in qwerty ...

raven forge
weak sand
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okay haha

raven forge
weak sand
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omgggggg it's finally workinnnnnngg thank you all, I hope I'll have no more problem now ^^

weak sand
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Ofc it's still doesn't work 😩 after I have put my username/password, the browser tells me "http://IP:8123 is not responding" with a white window And if I wait a long time, then the HA logo shows up for a second and the link changes to http://IP:8123/lovelace but it's still doesn't work, still a white window... To explain the context, I'm working on a PC administrator without internet, the VM comes from a clone from a VM I downloaded on my personal PC. I had to change manually the IP of my VM becuase I dont have a DHCP server. If someone knows what can I do to find the problem, it would be perfect !

humble mirage
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Can you ping the IP?

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Did you set up SSH so you can SSH to it?

weak sand
weak sand
humble scaffoldBOT
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@weak sand When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
rugged cairn
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I just updated to Core 2024.6.2 and for some reasons Minimalist UI, ESPHome, Google Home? It will not allow me to reload them and nothing is showing up in my logs. I was told to check here that I might be in safe mode?

weak sand
humble mirage
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Set it up on your VM at home, before you clone it

weak sand
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okay I thought I couldn't with the different I had with IP and everything, sorry ! thanks I'll try that

marsh cedar
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Hey Guys! I recenlty face a problem with my Home assistant.
If i try to open the app / login to the IP, the screen remains white (after a while it says connection time out). However, i still receive some notifications I set-up, so there is still contact/connection (i think).

In my router, i can see the homeassistant raspberry pi, but i can't connect the local IP. Anyone know what the issue could be??

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Oh wow.... It seems to work again after many days. I think i fixed it by using a fixed local IP, not dynamic

nova flame
weak sand
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I have 2 different IP... 200 and 201 😒 But I found another error of IP thanks to you !

full apex
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Hi folks, I recently migrated my HA installation from a VM on my NAS to a Pi. It seems to work fine from time to time, but it keeps disconnecting at random. I get the "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN" error and after a while (might take 10minutes) it comes back.
What would be a good point to start troubleshooting?

proven grove
full apex
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A Pi 3B

crude inlet
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Are you reserving the IP address from your router for this instance? Is the previous instance running?

full apex
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The previous instance has been turned off, the current one is getting it's IP from the DHCP

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Automatically over Wlan

proven grove
# full apex A Pi 3B

Is it disconnected or rebooting? Depending on your addons and such, you might be exhausting the RAM and would cause reboots.

full apex
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I have disabled an add-on now that was creating a-lot-of errors, seems to be more stable atm

proven grove
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Anything in the logs when this happens?

full apex
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I got so many warnings from the addon that there was nothing from the moment it was down. I can't really see if it was down or unreachable

crude inlet
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what add-on is it?

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or...an official add-on or some lesser known thing?

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"just because it is available doesn't mean you should use it" applies to some add-ons out there. Oh, and Tuya πŸ˜„

full apex
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This was the error it created
2024-06-12 20:10:33.765 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.util.loop] Detected blocking call to open inside the event loop by integration 'buienradar' at homeassistant/components/buienradar/util.py, line 148: result = parse_data( (offender: /usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pytz/init.py, line 108: return open(filename, 'rb')), please create a bug report at https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A"integration%3A+buienradar"

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HA still up and running btw

tidal horizon
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That ain’t an addon but an integration. Addons have their own environment and are more or less a separate docker container

full apex
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Sorry, I was mistaken in that

upper talon
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question about hardware. Currently I have a old install on a little NUC, I have an old laptop from work with basically the same hardware, but it has a keyboard battery trackpad and screen as well. From what I'm seeing Home Assistant OS is more of a VM than a whole OS.

What install path would I go down to best utilize the laptop aspects of the device? I would assume supervisor on debian, but want others opinions.

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I would basically only pull it from being racked when I would be installing things around the house, but it would be nice to take it with me I'd think.

raven forge
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Why supervised? You cannot run any other software on it or it will complain so there's very little point.
Installing a desktop linux OS and running HAOS in a VM might be a good option.

upper talon
#

you actually can run whatever you want with supervised, just turn off the job checks. I have a ton of other things running on the same system it's on now but for now I have spare equipment not doing anything so I was going to load it up with home assistant first and expand from there

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But i just feel weird about running a vm only for home assistant when everything else is in docker now a days

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unless i'm missing something obvious, I have in the past

humble mirage
#

If you want to "make the most" install Proxmox, rn HAOS in one VM and everything else in another

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Or just use Debian + Docker and skip the Supervisor

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(and no, HAOS is a whole OS)

upper talon
#

I mean they're just little 10th gen 4 core 8thread cpu's not a lot to split on them which is my main thing against virtulization, even though they support it

humble mirage
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I ran Proxmox on an old i5 laptop for long enough

crude inlet
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10th gen 4 core 8thread cpu
yeah but that's like 20 Rpis

upper talon
#

I guess I could silo things out a bit more with their own virtual macs and lock down specific apps at a network level if I did more virtualization

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So say I did the proxmox thing, could I rip a backup of my current environment, and load the new VM with the same data? main concern is MariaDB and all the historical stats I have

crude inlet
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You should make a full backup with MariaDB stopped, but yes.

crude inlet
#

10-12 Pis πŸ˜„

upper talon
dull summit
white bane
#

Hello,

tidal iris
#

Hello, is there a way to connect the HA to the Wifi before the installation starts?
like with the wpa_supplicant.conf file?
I'm installing it in a pi 4

humble mirage
dull summit
humble mirage
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The question is whether HAOS or the app is wrong I suppose

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HAOS has built in time sync, as long as that's not blocked

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Don't know how to check that on HAOS though

dull summit
#

don’t know either 😦

granite salmon
#

Hi there, I'm trying to install HA on my NUC mini PC but after I followed the guides I'm having some troubles and searching around the internet I didn't find any help...
I'm dealing with this error:

[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/generic-x86-64-homeassistant:2024.6.2: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/generic-x86-64-homeassistant:2024.6.2/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/generic-x86-64-homeassistant:2024.6.2")
[supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retrying in 30sec

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Anyone have ever seen this? how can I fix it?

brazen herald
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Which installation method are you using?

granite salmon
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I've used the x86-64 generic's guide

brazen herald
#

Which method? There is more than one listed on the page.

granite salmon
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The first one, the recovery from the live Ubuntu instance

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It boots and give me the link to the default home assistant landing page but after that gives me that error

#

Now I'm watching the su logs and says error mainthread supervisor.homeassistant.core has crashed

#

anyway going to try tomorrow the other installation guides to see if it's related to the installation method

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seems like it's in a loop crash anytime it start up the home assistant service

flat ferry
#

Is there a good home assistant docker installation guide for UnRaid?

crude inlet
flat ferry
#

is there a way to post images?

proven grove
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HA in a VM in Unraid is kinda hit or miss.

humble scaffoldBOT
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@flat ferry Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

proven grove
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But, don't use the linuxserver image. There is an official image from Baloob there.

flat ferry
proven grove
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Yup. That one.

flat ferry
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why not use the linux one?

proven grove
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Because we only support the official images πŸ™‚

flat ferry
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why does the linux one have loads of downloads. but the ballob one has none

proven grove
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Because people just pick the first one and go with it.

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And linuxserver is kind of prolific when it comes to app images. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

flat ferry
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only support the official images
what is the difference, aren't they both "home assistant"?

proven grove
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No. The offical image comes from the HA repo and is built and mainted by HA. The repackaged ones (there's more than just linuxserver) take the image and repackage it.

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They are also usually a day or so behind with updates to the image.

#

There are risks when you use repackaged images.

flat ferry
#

who is Balloob... why isn't it "Maintainer
HomeAssistant"?

proven grove
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Baloob is the founder of Home Assistant.

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He's the one who started all this madness. 🀣

flat ferry
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The repo link Repository ghcr.io/home-assistant/home in the description doesn't go anywhere...

proven grove
flat ferry
proven grove
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That's a problem in the community apps app then.

empty bloom
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where is that screenshot from with the official banner?

flat ferry
proven grove
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It's out of the Unraid community apps store.

flat ferry
empty bloom
proven grove
empty bloom
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they, as in, the unraid community

flat ferry
proven grove
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Yeah, it's actually been there for almost a year now. I ran HA container on Unraid for a few months. It isn't bad or anything, I just didn't want IoT stuff on my NAS.

flat ferry
fleet hollow
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Hi, I am trying to complete installation of HA. But unfortunately i am not able to complete it. Always it appear this message: "Home assistant CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console...". I know that there is problem with network because at the starting of virtual machine shows Failed network connection. Do you have any idea how to fix the network?

proven grove
flat ferry
empty bloom
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you can use esphome

proven grove
empty bloom
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esphome just builds esp devices

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the esp devices use the integration to connect to HA, not the addon

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addon -> make sensor
integration -> bring sensor into HA

proven grove
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Yeah, the addon provides the dashboard though in HAOS.

flat ferry
empty bloom
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yes, if it's an app

proven grove
empty bloom
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I'd assume it is

flat ferry
#

Home Assistant -> "Create user" - is the user account the master account or is it just my account... should i put root or my name?

proven grove
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You are creating a HA user. You can name it whatever you like. Most people go with their name (or other cool moniker).

flat ferry
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What does the account do? just give access to the webui? are the access levels or are all accounts the same?

proven grove
#

All accounts have the same access.

flat ferry
proven grove
crude inlet
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I ran it for years and it is still the fastest HA I’ve had, though it is not my production HA at the moment

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So just wondering

proven grove
# crude inlet Hit or miss? How so?

Sometimes it gets wonky with USB passthru (because the USB drivers in Unraid are also kinda wonky sometimes). The OVMF BIOS option has also been reported to be weird at times and just flake out.

crude inlet
#

Oh yeah pass through can always be a potential sore point depending on the motherboard

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And whatever hardware.

proven grove
#

There was one guy I was helping that had the auto turbo write mode installed and it was causing the VM to crash out.

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Unraid is almost as bad as HA is sometimes just because of all the possible combinations of hardware and plugins and such.

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I love it, but man is it a pain to support sometimes. 🀣

crude inlet
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True. I made my first box out of random unused stuff and then this morphs into a much nicer one years later with more intention

proven grove
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SAME... my first build was just a mishmash of everything. Then I started targeting it to just be a multimedia box and it got a lot better. But, I will say that the 6.12.x builds of Unraid have been really good.

flat ferry
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@proven grove have you used tailscale with unraid?

proven grove
flat ferry
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ok. Ill carry on googling... I'm trying to setup this ESP32 from a different network so it is ready to deploy on the Unraid's LAN. I'm struggling to get windows to connect the hotspot via tailscaile so homeassistant can see the ESP32 πŸ™„

strange sage
#

Hi all,
I'm having some performance issue with HA. I run it through a VM (virtualbox) on a beefy CPU (i5 10400T); However I see the cpu is always 100% on the VM, and by installing glances I see this is due to HomeAssistant and python (I did disabled all addons/integrations beforhand without sucess).

I tried to troubleshoot with py-spy but seems its not compatible with Python 3.12
Is there anything else I can do?

I dont have loops in automations

I've just tried as well to boot in safe mode but I have same issue

raven forge
#

Can you share a picture of glances?

median shale
#

i'd be curious about the virtualbox settings too

azure island
#

Hi, I'm struggling to install a yellow PoE with CM4 and no NVMe. Used the imager to create a USB drive. It is stuck flashing the yellow light suggesting no internet connectivity. After getting console access, ifconfig agrees that there is no IP address configured but it is certainly on a network with DHCP and internet access. Any thoughts? Double checked the switch config and fixed the glitch.

raven forge
hybrid bolt
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does anyone running HA in docker have a nice way to initiate a container update from within HA? I was thinking a portainer API call or a bash script but interested what anyone else has done

proven grove
hybrid bolt
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I think without a script that is executed by the host, the commands would cease after the container is stopped

#

unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting

proven grove
#

Actually, come to think of it, you're probably right. Ok, alternately, ssh to host, run a bash script on the host and background it. That should keep it running after HA stops. I think πŸ€”

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Actually, yeah, that would work without backgrounding because HA won't stop until you do a docker up -d on it.

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The pull won't do a down command first (unless you do a docker down obvs).

hybrid bolt
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right, ok I think I'm on the page. However, I've been in the habit of issuing a homeassistant.stop service call before shutting down my container, just to avoid any issues with interrupting any writes to the recorder database. Though I don't know if this is truly needed or not

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I was thinking to issue a sleep 5 && docker up -d and then issue the HA stop serivce immediately after

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I'll play around with it

flat ferry
#

I now have HA setup... how do i create a second account so another person can see the sensors?

proven grove
flat ferry
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There isn't a password feild?

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ah, allow person to login πŸ‘

grand pivot
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Persons are not users

proven grove
#

OMG... twice. WTH... angryasf

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Settings > People > USERS > Add User

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Sorry about that @flat ferry

flat ferry
proven grove
grand pivot
#

you need "advanced mode" or to be an owner to see it

flat ferry
grand pivot
#

it's "advanced mode"

flat ferry
#

how?

proven grove
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Click on your name in the bottom of the side bar, find Advanced Mode in the General User settings.

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Set it to true.

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I thought we set that up earlier... or I meant to mention it and got sidetracked ANGERY

flat ferry
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Turns out "Allow person to login" and creating an accoutn when "ADD PEROSN" works to create an account too... but Users tab does allow me to edit the users thanks

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πŸ€” but creating an account in the Users tab breaks that. Since toggling "Allow person to login" after creating the account means "Username already exists"

grand pivot
#

yes, it creates a user for that person

flat ferry
grand pivot
#

I don't think you can

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the whole person/user thing isn't fully baked

flat ferry
#

Is Grafana just an IFrame within the home assistant dashboard? Is this possible within the home assistant android app?

flat ferry
#

?

tacit glade
#

Hi all, I'm new into HA, and I'm migrating from Domoticz to HA. I'm building a test setup atm to see what works and what doesn't work. One of the issues that I have is that I cannot add an extra yaml file to the main config file. I want to add an extra file which contains the cfg data from my p1 meter. If I add the cfg data to the main cfg file it works, but I want to start with a neat main cfg file (a bit like nagios cfg files). How do I tell to HA that he needs to load the p1meter.yaml file without throwing "integration not found" or "required key 'platform' not provide".

grand pivot
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You cannot just include a file without it being associated with a key

tacit glade
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I did so, but i'm making a mistake somewhere, and I don't know where. Google also cannot provide me an answer (for now).

proven grove
flat ferry
proven grove
flat ferry
proven grove
proven grove
humble scaffoldBOT
hot laurel
#

I accidentally made the admin account local only, it won't let me access the ip address sense I am using a duck dns domain, I have access to the terminal through proxmox. is there anyway to edit the file and restore access?

hot laurel
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Is anyone willing to help me please?

raven forge
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Which file?

hot laurel
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I am not sure

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I thought there would be a users file but

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I haven't found it

raven forge
hot laurel
#

I know the password and the username

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the problem is it became a local only account

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I am using a domain

median shale
#

just go to the IP address

hot laurel
#

it refuses to connect

median shale
#

ip:8123

hot laurel
#

yeah thats how I am trying

median shale
#

are you on the same network as it?

hot laurel
#

I am connected through ethernet

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I don't have wifi on my computer

median shale
#

and it is also connected through ethernet, I hope

hot laurel
#

yes

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after adding this

median shale
#

I hope you have a good backup from before you made this mistake

hot laurel
#

I don't

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I installed this vm two days ago

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worked on it all day yesterday

median shale
#

well, then it sounds like you've learned two really valuable lessons today

hot laurel
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yes I did

median shale
#

and now you get to start over from scratch

hot laurel
#

damn

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well I guess I know how to do everything already

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shouldn't take me as long I guess

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thank you

#

πŸ™

median shale
#

definitely set up automated backups

hot laurel
median shale
#

there are different addons for each cloud provider

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i use the google drive one

hot laurel
#

dude I got back in

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I forgot I added https yesterday

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I added the s and it worked

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wait how do I stop this from happening ever again

median shale
#

remember the s

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a bookmark might help

hot laurel
#

I mean the backup, should I setup a NAS?

median shale
#

do you have a gmail account?

hot laurel
#

yeah

median shale
#

just use that

hot laurel
#

how does that work?

median shale
hot laurel
#

I going to do that right now, thank you so much, I really didn't want to setup all 6 cameras on frigate back up again

runic cipher
#

I just installed via docker, using my password manager to set up a password in the browser. Logged in fine, still have that session open. Then when I tried to open a second session, it says my password is incorrect. Tried my username, tried deleting characters from the end of the password in case I hit a silent truncation limit, nothing. So I'm unable to change my password. Is there something in particular I should do before nuking my config dir? I haven't really configured much yet

raven forge
runic cipher
#

Ah, I'm used to forgot password being worthless before I setup smtp or something

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Thanks

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But I just clicked that right before you posted that link

lofty crescent
#

I am trying to set up a raspberry pi 1 as a display for the HA system, I just want it as its own separate display

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Does anyone have a video or tutorial on how to do this?

distant mirage
severe patrol
#

Hi! A really stupid question. I want to install Home Assistant on my Raspberry Pi 4 but can't find the image for the OS?

grand pivot
#

You don't need to find the image if you follow the installation instructions

severe patrol
#

I don't get it, I will use Balena Etcher to flash my SD-card but I do need the image for that

grand pivot
#

You don't see that? Or not following those instructions?

severe patrol
#

So the image for Home Assistant is in the Rasoberry Pi Imager?

grand pivot
#

I'm saying follow the instructions

severe patrol
#

Yeah, I get it but I want to know but I'm doing and what's happening not just follow instructions and then it just works.

grand pivot
#

It knows where to get it from

severe patrol
#

Ok, so the Raspberry Pi imager downloads the OS from a repository?

stoic perch
#

I think I am ready to punt on my Docker based HA install and go back to a dedicated pi with HasOS. Just too many new features are hard to do in Docker.... Is there a guide anywhere that can help me move all my data over so I don't have to totally start over?

brazen herald
#

Make a backup, put the backup somewhere you won't lose it. Install HAOS, set it up, and then restore the backup

stoic perch
lofty crescent
#

Does anyone know how to troubleshoot a pi when it is not showing up on anything?

proven grove
lofty crescent
#

So I have a HDMI plugged in and it has a single red light on it

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But when I go onto the HDMI nothing shows

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But it shows as the HDMI is active

proven grove
#

What kind of power supply are you using?

lofty crescent
#

A USB straight into the mains 5.0V 3.1A

humble mirage
#

Historically HAOS needed to be booted with the display already connected - don't know if that's changed

lofty crescent
#

I am on a pi 1 and am only using it as a display for HA I have the HAOS server set up on a second Pi

humble mirage
#

Which Pi is the problem?

weak sand
#

Hi ! I clone 2 different HA VM on a PC administrator that has no internet. Since my network has no DHCP, I had to update the ip address on those 2 VM. The first one works perfectly, but the second one doesn't work. Ofc, I didn't put the same address for both. I don't understand what can be the problem... The only difference between them are that one has the SSH option.

humble mirage
#

You can't have both VMs running at the same time

weak sand
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one is shutdown and save but not erase. I need to erase it ?

humble mirage
#

No

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So now you get to explain what "doesn't work" means

weak sand
#

when I put the http://IP:8123 my navigator says that this link is unknown or not responding : "cannot reach this page"

humble mirage
#

Can the VM ping your gateway? Can it ping 8.8.8.8?

weak sand
#

How do I ping from my VM ? This OS doesn't let me use "ping"

humble mirage
#

Sure it does

#

At most you have to type login to get past the ha prompt

median shale
#

Do you have a viable network route between your browser and the vm?

weak sand
weak sand
#

sorry for pinging, this option is always enable 😠

median shale
#

does the PC have a network connection and no internet, or also no network?

weak sand
#

No my PC has no internet, but has a network connection

median shale
#

what are you using for the vm? virtualbox?

weak sand
#

yes

median shale
#

is the host windows?

weak sand
#

yes

stuck stirrup
#

hello, i have a problem when i want install home assistant in my old computer whit a boot key, my pc doesn't detect home asistant, but when on my key there is ubuntu my pc detect and boot on. Anyone have any ideas

balmy forum
#

Wanted to scratch everyones head...

I am running Home Assistant on an Ubuntu Server 24.04 in Portainer as a Docker

There is an addon that I want to run that requires the full install of home assistant.

Is there a way that the community has found to be able to run homeassistant as a app along side ubuntu server 24.04 or will I have to run something like KVM?

humble mirage
#

The only way to run HAOS is as a VM or to replace your existing OS

#

That said, that add-on probably has a non-add-on option

proven grove
#

What's the addon?

balmy forum
balmy forum
humble mirage
#

VM is the simplest, unless you can find a matching Docker container/persuade them to do one

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Doesn't look like building one would be hard though

proven grove
#

I did find a bacnet to mqtt container that might work, but you'd have to translate the topiccs and messages into HA.

balmy forum
#

humm.. My main reason for this is to be able to provide bacnet data to voice assistants. Not really to control anything persay

proven grove
balmy forum
#

THank youlet me see what I can do

median shale
#

what's bacnet?

balmy forum
# median shale what's bacnet?

A building automation protocol that is used mostly in buildings. But it allows for a large amount of devices to be integrated

median shale
#

i see

balmy forum
#

Think Power meters, Water Meters, Controllers, Equipment

median shale
#

so all the stuff home assistant does, really

balmy forum
#

My Power meter Supports it so I wanted to be able to bring that data in to HA

median shale
#

just a specific thing, similar to zigbee or zwave from HA's perspective

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got it.

proven grove
balmy forum
#

Yea but with devices that are already out in the world that have been out in the world for 10-15 years

median shale
#

yeah, cool. got it.

#

not a thing I need, but interesting to know about anyway. thanks πŸ™‚

proven grove
balmy forum
#

thank you

thorn tundra
#

Hello. I have a problem with my HA, yesterday it worked perfectly but today I can't connect to my home assistant in any way, from local network using internal URL or External, from other networks it is same. Did someone know what it can be and how to fix this problem?

indigo slate
#

Hello all,

I'm new here, so sorry in advance πŸ™‚

I was trying to install HA, and while doing the onboarding, I noticed that Kosovo (XK) is not listed there. My question is: how can we add Kosovo as a country in HA?

humble mirage
median shale
#

i think the answer is "to be added as a country in HA, Kosovo needs to be added as a country in ISO 3166-1, and in order to be added in that ISO, Kosovo needs to be officially recognized as a country by the United Nations"

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and I understand why that's bullshit

tender wren
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XK is a temporary assignment by some entities. It might be changed at any time.

indigo slate
tender wren
#

To the "how can we add it" - you can try it with a feature request (without any guarantees)

median shale
#

but not the UN as a whole. we're not here to debate the politics though, it's standard to use the ISO documents for standards and you need to convince them

humble scaffoldBOT
#

If you have a feature request for the frontend you can open one here, for Home Assistant itself please post on the forum. All other feature requests should be made to the developer of that custom card/component.

grand pivot
#

TIL that Kosovo isn't a fully recognized country

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politics is weird

median shale
#

super weird

tender wren
#

I guess it depends on who you ask. It is one of the complicated cases.

indigo slate
#

I understand, thank you all

median shale
#

good luck for sure.

#

If it helps, I'm not sure that country code makes any difference anywhere for anything

tender wren
#

But I get that it is also a psychological thing. Especially in places with such history.

median shale
#

sure. I'm going to go ahead and continue to not have that set in my system as a show of solidarity

tender wren
#

But @indigo slate, we don't want you to make too much hope, that it will be built in.

indigo slate
#

It's okay, we are used to it, and that's the reason why we are trying to put our name everywhere. Not an easy task πŸ™‚

tender wren
#

Not a political, but more a standards thing. But a feature request doesn't hurt. And don't forget to vote for your own request,

indigo slate
astral shore
#

Has anyone ever installed HA and Gitlab on a Raspberry PI 5 with SSD and both are performing well?

humble mirage
#

HA will perform acceptably on a Pi3 (just), so a Pi5 will have no problems

dawn ice
#

when you get locked out of the webgui and forgot the SSH login you setup 😡

raven forge
#

Keyboard and monitor time.

humble mirage
humble mirage
clear ermine
#

Hey Guys, I'm hoping someone can help with an issue I've been having with updating the Home Assistant Core to the latest version. When I try and install the update, the system never comes back up and I'm forced to end task on the virtual machine. I can't even shut it down properly, and this system had been running flawlessly for several years.

  • The last version I was able to successfully update was 2024.6.0.
  • HA is running Linux on Virtual Box v7.0.18 r162988 (2 cores/Base memory = 4086 MB/Guest additions added)
  • There doesn't appear to be anything useful in the system core or supervisor logs.
  • Unfortunately I don't have a snapshot or system restore point to revert from before the issue started. There are plenty of HA backups I can use, but restoring those do not fix the issue.
  • I've tried uninstalling all of my addons and integrations to see if that helps and it doesn't.

Do you think that something is corrupted and what is the best way to troubleshoot from this point? I am subscribed to nabu casa if it helps. Does that provide any additional support where someone could look at my setup?

Thanks for any help you can offer, I really appreciate it! πŸ˜€

median shale
#

are you using HAOS and it's just the core update that's a problem?

clear ermine
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Yes. I can update addons or HACS integrations fine. Been messing with this trying to get it to work for a few weeks, and at first I thought it was something with core 6.1 but 6.2 and 6.3 are doing the same.

median shale
#

have you tried a fresh install and then restore?

clear ermine
#

No, would I do a fresh install and update to 6.3 and the latest of everything else and then restore? Does it matter if I restore from a backup where the issue is occuring or do you think it needs to be an older one? Thank you Tom btw.

median shale
#

yes, maybe, probably not

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actually, i think you can just do a fresh install OF 6.3 and then you can skip the update

clear ermine
#

Ahh okay, I should have thought to try this. I would love to do a restore from a recent backup, think that will work?

median shale
#

I'd definitely try it

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worst case you lose a few minutes re-reinstalling

haughty dagger
#

Not totally sure if this is the right channel for this, but I am using control d for DNS services for my router (an eero that I want to eventually replace with an OpenWRT compatible one). I have nginix proxy manager installed, and I want it to just resolve my local web apps that I have no plans to expose to the internet locally. So home assistant would be something like homeassistant.example.com. I used to do this by using cloudflare to point *.example.com to my local 198.168.x.x ip which was hosting nginix proxy manager, but that is probably not a great practice.

#

I usually use tailscale if I want to access my network from outside.

clear ermine
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@median shale I think that did the trick. Won't know until I get another core version, but everything is looking great. Thanks for the help!

median shale
#

I'm not sure where to send you though. Is there a ctrlD discord?

haughty dagger
#

hmmm

jolly charm
#

hey everyone, I feel pretty silly about this - not sure if I'm missing something. I am new to HA and I'm trying a virtualbox install. I haven't been able to get the website to come up. no matter what, l'm consistently getting "error_connection_refused" when trying to access the home assistant port.

the Observer port works with no issue. I'm only using IP. any thoughts?

brazen herald
#

Does http://homeassistant.local:8123 work?

jolly charm
#

no

#

it looks like I can’t send a picture to the chat, but I ran network info and can answer any questions about what I see on the screen

median shale
#

Imgur

raven forge
wheat walrus
#

having some shenanigans that I'm trying to sort out, and I'm not entirely sure if this is the right place or not.

I'm using the Docker version of HA, and trying to use Nginx Proxy Manager (another docker container). I told the proxy manager to point to https://127.0.0.1:8123 and use websocket support. My SSL cert appears to be working since I can get an HTTPS connection, but I'm getting a 502 gateway error. Neither Nginx or HA are giving me anything useful in the container logs to suggest the failure

humble mirage
#

Are both containers using host networking?

wheat walrus
#

hold on a moment. I found someone with a similar issue, and they had to add some custom code to the nginx config

#

that said, it appears HA is on the host network, but the proxy manager has a different network docker-nginxproxymanager_default

humble mirage
#

Then 127.0.0.1 means inside that network

wheat walrus
#

okay, so ... seeing as the default install for HA docker doesn't include port redirecting, that means it's using the bare metal ports/ip?

humble mirage
#

What?

#

host uses the hosts's ports/ip

#

docker-nginxproxymanager_default doesn't

wheat walrus
#

give me a second

humble mirage
#

127.0.0.1 isn't always "this computer" once Docker is involved

wheat walrus
#

Here's my portainer config

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or rather, the way the network is set up. Is the suggestion that I need to take HA off the host network so that nginx could interact with it?

humble mirage
#

Dude, no

#

The suggestion is that you stop using 127.0.0.1

wheat walrus
#

what would i be using in place of it? the lan ip of the machine?

humble mirage
#

Yes

wheat walrus
#

ok, let me poke at that then

humble mirage
#

Also ensure that websockets are enabled in nginx

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Or just move to Traefik

wheat walrus
#

not familiar with traefik, but let me check this one other thing before i start looking at alternatives. In part because my dns is cloudflare, o i need to make sure that whatever I use works with them

wheat walrus
humble mirage
#

What proxy you use is completely irrelevant to you using Cloudflare

wheat walrus
#

true, but that manager included LE certs, and certbot does need a particular plugin to work with cloudflare

humble mirage
#

Traefik handles LE and works with Cloudflare for certs

ebon relic
#

Hello everyone, I am at wits end. Googled and came up nothing. I just bought a GMKtec K9 with ultra core 5, 64GB ram, 1TB nvme drive. Would like to install HAOS directly onto the NUC. Regardless of what I do, I get a SLOT A error at boot screen. Is there something in the bios that I need to tweak? (secure boot disabled, not sure how to enable UEFI with this BIOS, no field to change). Can someone please point me in the right direction? Spent 1 wk of hell trying to get this up and running. Would like to stay from having to install PROXMOX as I am a newby and do not know my way around linux coding. Thanks for any help being offered.

weak sand
#

Hi, I have powered up my HA VM and my link works on my navigator. But look at the window : https://imgur.com/a/9khtkSr "Error while loading page lovelace". Each time I power again my VM it says that. I even try to delete every file and create my VM again but it does it again. I downloaded this VM on my personal PC, I put the SSH option, and then I cloned it to an administrator PC that has no internet. If someone knows what I can do... Thanks a lot

humble mirage
#

Try incognito mode

weak sand
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already am, There is no proxy

wheat walrus
#

still fighting with this. I brought NPM to the host network, so localhost/127.0.0.1 should work in there for the reverse proxy. If I tell it to use http I get a 400 error, and if I tell it to use https I get a 502 error. I have another container with normal port exposure working just fine, so NPM appears to be working. I thought maybe it was a proxy setting issue in my configuration.yaml file, but I'm not sure what I should be putting in since it's all on the same machine

  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 127.0.0.1
humble mirage
#

What's in the HA log file?

wheat walrus
#

It's yelling about a saturated zigbee channel

#

sighs it really seems like NPM isn't making it to talking to HA

humble mirage
#

Not about an untrusted proxy then?

wheat walrus
#

I did find a line from awhile ago 2024-06-18T10:12:47.957059359Z 2024-06-18 03:12:47.955 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http.forwarded] A request from a reverse proxy was received from 127.0.0.1, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies

#

let me try a full reboot of the container

humble mirage
#

A while ago is irrelevant

wheat walrus
#

I mean like 15 minutes ago when I'd tried fifteen seconds ago and had the same error

#

but I did a full restart of the container, and after the boot logs went, I got the saturated zigbee channel again and then nothing when I tried to open the site through the outside domain

#

and no logs in the npm container either

humble mirage
#

You can still connect to HA with http:// by going directly?

wheat walrus
#

that''s the part that's baking my noodle

humble mirage
#

And no more errors in the HA log?

#

Your problem is 100% with the proxy config

wheat walrus
#

I tend to agree that it's a proxy config issue, I just don't know where the problem is coming from. I'm still more used to apache from my home system, but I remoted in and looked at my config there and it just looks like a normal reverse proxy + webhook + https upgrade

#

and trying to go through NPM's forums and stuff isn't giving me much insight

humble mirage
#

Did you try connecting to HA over your proxy in the time window of those logs?

wheat walrus
#

yep, right before I pulled the logs

humble mirage
#

Then my previous advice still applies

wheat walrus
#

If you mean Traefik, not gonna lie ... my brain broke just trying to figure out how i was supposed to add a service to it, much less get the certs reassigned and stuff

rare grove
#

Hi! I have HA OS installed on my Pi4. Now I have a better server (with Intel N100, SSD, 16 RAM and umbrelOS) and would prefer to run HA there and shut down Pi4. Can I migrate to the new HA server so all connected devices will continue working with the new one?

humble mirage
humble mirage
wheat walrus
#

oh, sorry, yeah, I tried that, tried localhost, tried home-assistant

humble mirage
#

Try the actual host ip

wheat walrus
#

I think I tried to bare metal IP

humble mirage
#

The same one that works in the browser?

wheat walrus
#

yeah. Same issue, 400 error with http, 502 with https

#

wait, wait

#

now i got log errors

#

seems like a formatting issue in configuration.yaml, since it's complaining about my host ip not being on the proxy list, but it is

humble mirage
#

Did you restart HA after changing the YAML?

wheat walrus
#

i had, but checking something else real quick

#

2024-06-18T10:49:07.582977692Z 2024-06-18 03:49:07.580 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http.forwarded] A request from a reverse proxy was received from 192.168.254.100, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies

#

still throwing that error, while the browser gives me a 400 error

humble mirage
#

Then you didn't restart HA, or that address isn't in the config

wheat walrus
#

just did a full shutdown of the container, then restart, checked log, then tried opening the page and got the same error. I linked the yaml up there, so I know the address is in there. I'm going to for instanity check do a full reboot of the server

#

still headdesks

weak sand
lime gale
#

hey y'all.
if somebody is running supervised hassio. could someone please check if this is all containers that needs to be running? i feel like some container is missing. because I'm not able to reach webgui and setup HA
I have these containers active and running:
hassio: audio, cli, dns, multicast,observer, supervisior

humble mirage
#

Are you running Home Assistant OS (was called "hassio" many years ago) or Supervised (a .deb you install on Debian)

lime gale
#

supervised .deb install on debian

humble mirage
#

Why?

#

That's the biggest mistake you can make

lime gale
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cuz i already have stuff running on rpi4. i dont want ha os as a main os

humble mirage
#

Ah, you ignored the requirements

#

Well, you're fucked

median shale
#

That's a bit harsh, but the instructions do say not to do that

lime gale
#

well i've ran docker HA version but it wouldn't allow me to install addons so i wanted to switch to supervised

humble mirage
tender wren
humble mirage
#

Ignoring the requirements is a pretty certain way to get a broken setup

median shale
tender wren
#

So you break your system, to run the worst installation type.
Just to be able to install add-ons, you could have run as Docker containers anyway.

median shale
#

I too tried supervised first, because I'm a server admin with 10+ years of experience. It was the worst. I think they only have it as an option for masochists

lime gale
median shale
#

It doesn't support them as add ons through that interface

#

But that's all the add ons are

tender wren
#

Or run HAOS

lime gale
#

i just want to access my ESP cams from HA... πŸ˜„ but i couldn't find a way how to install esp addon

tidal horizon
tender wren
lime gale
#

hopefully i won't be back anytime soon. thanks guys πŸ™‚

rare grove
tidal horizon
rare grove
#

Thanks! I guess I just need to try it out.

What if I'll have 2 HA running in my network with the same configurations? I better to shut down the old one before restoring config?

humble mirage
#

If they have the same IP then things will go badly - shut down the old one first

rare grove
#

No, they won't have the same IP

#

That's why I was asking β€” if it will maintain existing device connections properly

#

Because re-connect all of them will take a lot of time

humble mirage
#

As long as there's no static IP then you'll be ok

lilac atlas
#

help i need help with restoring home assistant from backup on new install

#

i currently use a rasberry pi for my home assistant and recently installed on home assistant on my unraid server as a vm

#

when prompted to start the home assistant setup, there is no choice for restoring

#

may someone please help?

tidal horizon
#

You can just do the setup, after that you can also restore a backup

humble mirage
#

Make sure too that you're using the Home Assistant OS install, other methods don't have a restore option in the UI

weak sand
humble mirage
#

Allows you to test that things are alive, yes

lilac atlas
#

so basically I run a vm in unraid

#

does that mean I am using supervisor or os install

humble mirage
#

Hopefully the OS

#

Did you download a VM image for it?

north rampart
#

So, having some issues, thought maybe I can get some help here. Have HAos running on a CM4. For some wird reason I can't remember the password for my admin user. To reset it, I need to connect monitor and keyboard to the CM4 and use the CLI interface to run a command.
Here is my issue: for the life of me I can't make HA to detect my keyboard. I have a Zigbee dongle connected, so the usb ports are working. But keyboards, these do not work. Anyone got any ideas?

humble mirage
#

Power cycle the Pi with the keyboard connected?

north rampart
humble mirage
#

tried the port the zigbee stick is in?

north rampart
#

Yep, also did that. Also tried multiple wired keyboards and a wireless one

jolly charm
clear ermine
#

Hey @median shale, or anyone else who could assist with this issue I mentioned yesterday, #installation-archived message. After creating a freshly installed 6.3 VPC and restoring a recent backup, the server will not restart and I have to end task on the virtual machine and start it up again. This also happens when I restart HA in safe mode. This leads me to believe it's something in my configuration and I'm not sure how to fix it. I've uninstalled every addon and integration, as well as removed everything from the configuration.yaml and it still happens. Anyone have any thoughts on what I can try next?

ebon relic
#

Hello everyone, I am at wits end.

raven forge
edgy shadow
#

who speaks French and who can help me install the software with WINDOWS. On an apple device

median shale
#

nobody

#

please don't install under windows on an apple device.

humble mirage
#

This server is 100% English, and gibberish

tulip mirage
#

anyone else seeing that?

humble mirage
tulip mirage
#

yarg. I'll move it.

#

Thanks Tinkerer

median forge
#

is really common

tight pasture
#

Hello, i'm doing the system update via Home Assistant to 12.4 and it's been 33 minutes. Is it supposed to be this long ? Can i restart ?

heavy gorge
#

It depends on the hardware, really.

#

If you're running this on 15+ years spinrust disks, maybe 33 minutes is normal.

sharp wave
#

How painless is it to transfer from a vm to another vm using the backup and restore function

raven forge
#

Very.

sharp wave
#

That's the motivation I needed

raven forge
#

Just remember to reboot after restoration.

sharp wave
#

Will do

tender ether
#

it just beeps at me

waxen mulch
#

Wondering if someone can help me with my new Pi 5 install. I've been running HA Core on Windows 11 VM for the last couple weeks and picked up my Pi 5 today. Installed HA on my SD Card and plug it in but can't go to http://homeassistant.local:8123/ because it's going to my VM install. When I shut down my VM and try it doesn't connect to anything. Verified the SD Card and Pi was operating properly by installing Pi OS and confirming it shows up on network properly. Not sure what I have to do to see new Pi install

raven forge
#

Visit it by ip instead. mDNS does not always work well.

waxen mulch
#

I can't find the IP. It's not popping up on my network

median shale
#

are you plugging it in via ethernet?

raven forge
#

Connect a keyboard and monitor to it and run ha network info.

waxen mulch
#

yes

median shale
#

but your router doesn't have it in the list of connected devices?

waxen mulch
waxen mulch
raven forge
#

Not sure what to recommend then as we can't invesitgate what's happening. Perhaps a reboot and if that doesn't work a re-flash.

waxen mulch
median shale
#

you're going to need to get the microhdmi

waxen mulch
median shale
#

I'm excited that I don't have to work for the holiday tomorrow, so slack a little extra for me when you get there

near loom
#

Howdy! I am stuck on the β€œPreparing Home Assistant” page with the last log item saying β€œHost information reload completed β€œ not sure how to continue

tight pasture
pine rock
#

hello，anyone can help me?

grand pivot
pine rock
#

ok, thanks

north rampart
humble mirage
pastel crane
#

Hi i have home assistant running on virtual manager on a Synology and it was updating to new core update but it crashed

#

I connected with the CLI and typed backups to get the list but i cant scroll through the list

#

Tried page up and shift but no succes want to restore the last backup

#

Went wrong with the latest core update 12.4

raven forge
#

Try ha backups | less. You might have to enter login first.
You could also restore the whole VM.

pastel crane
#

tried putty with SSH but cant connect

raven forge
#

Did you run login first?

#

It should give you a scrollable list when you pipe to less.

pastel crane
#

it now shows standard input and a list of ~ when I type backup |less

empty bloom
#

Sounds like synology isn't letting you scroll

pastel crane
#

looks like it wanted to post screenshot but not possible it seems

empty bloom
#

use imgur to post images

pastel crane
empty bloom
#

have you tried the up/down arrows?

#

on your keyboard

#

instead of scroll on the mouse

#

possibly shift + up/down

pastel crane
#

yes tried all those combos thet google gave me

empty bloom
#

well all those controls are controlled by the OS

#

your best option is to attempt to filter the list or sort the list so that the items you want are at the bottom. Not sure if that's possible.

pastel crane
#

backup --help did not give any suggestion

empty bloom
#

If you have SSH addon installed, you can use another OS + Putty (or terminal) to connect to HA to run the same commands. Both offer scrolls

#

Also, a word of advice for the future, a backup is not a backup if it resides on the device you're backing up.

#

Always move your backups to a second device

pastel crane
#

dont know what I did but somehow I saw the name of the last backup now restoring

raven forge
autumn gale
#

Trying to reinstall a friende instance. Its on a rpi4b, previous install was on a rpi3b. When hitting onboard page I uploaded the last backup file. Now the observer states, connection, healhty and supported. But the main page returns ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE. What to do?

proven grove
autumn gale
#

After I had waited for 2 hours, I turned off the power and then I got the observer up running and as I have a monitor on the pi I can see that the supervisor is up. Stating OS 12.4 and core 2024.6.0b4

raven forge
#

A beta version?

autumn gale
#

Yes, but started all over again with 12.4 and 2024.5.4 and still the same issue. Observer resorts everything fine, but cant access, just Get the empty response error.

untold holly
#

my formerly working hass install on raspberry pi 4 will not start up properly. It boots and connects to the network, but then on screen it says failed to start home assistant cli. the web dashboard is not accessible. how do I fix this?

lofty crescent
tender wren
heavy whale
#

hi everyone, I changed the password to my home assistant owner account some time ago but have lost the password login to it. So now I'm trying to setup ssh access to my home assistant OS 12.2, but I'm getting a public key denied message when I ssh into it.

my /root/.ssh/authorized_keys file is there with the public key I want to authenticate with. And I'm passing the private key from the command line.

I've already restarted home assistant

#

I also tried the official documentation way of adding a public key through a "CONFIG" usb key, which didn't work

#

do I really have to connect a keyboard mouse and display to the home assistant in order to recover my password otherwise :(?

tender wren
heavy whale
#

it says to use the serial console, I figured I could use ssh natively right?

#

I'm using a home assistant blue

#

oh well, I guess I'll connect a keyboard mouse and display then :/

#

I just find it weird it won't accept my private key file is all

#

even though there is clearly a /root/.ssh/authorized_keys file in there

tender wren
heavy whale
#

because ls shows me?

#

in /root/.ssh

#

and vim shows me it has the correct public key in there

#

or cat

humble mirage
#

That path only exists inside that container

tender wren
#

Via keyboard/monitor or SSH add-on?

humble mirage
#

Docker messes with your assumptions

heavy whale
#

apoligies you're right

#

I'm accessing it through a serial console right now, I'll check if I can set the ssh keys from there as well

#

it's not a typical bash shell but a ha shell

vague canyon
waxen mulch
heavy whale
#

are there instructions somewhere on adding a authorized_keys file from the serial console?

tender wren
#

If you are on the console, you don't need that. You can change the password there

heavy whale
#

I have, I just want ssh access from my desktop afterwards as well πŸ˜‰

tender wren
#

Permanent debug SSH access to the OS is not recommended

heavy whale
#

alright, I'll refrain, probably a security recommendation?

proven grove
#

Just another attack vector that doesn't need to be opened all the time.

tender wren
#

Very few things, which really need OS access.
You often can do more damage than good.

heavy whale
#

also I think my instance got hacked after I put it on remote access from nabu casa cloud, because someone was putting my lights on and off in my house rapidly, does home assistant have something like fail2ban installed? or can people just brute force their way in when nabu casa cloud remote access is enabled?

#

my password might be on a leaked list somewhere

tender wren
#

You can use 2FA to prevent brute forcing password access

heavy whale
#

yeah that's true...

tender wren
#

And restrict users without 2FA to local login only

heavy whale
#

I guess that's secure enough then

#

thanks

#

I should be a bit more aware about these sort of things

proven grove
#

And if you got hacked via nabu casa, that'd be probably the first instance I've ever heard of that happening. I would bring up an issue with them and let them see if they can examine their logs to determine if it was an actual hack attempt.

heavy whale
#

that would be a good idea, I'll contact their support

#

or... I'm compromised elsewhere and it was a local attack... could also be the case lol

#

anyhow, I'm really not in the mood of playing police for all of my devices and infrastructure right now lol

proven grove
#

I mean, possible? But I would really suggest contacting NC sooner rather than later. I don't know what their log retention policy is, but I can't imagine it would be very long.

heavy whale
#

yeah point well taken

proven grove
#

Don't want to steer you wrong and say "eh, it's ok, let it go"... yannow? πŸ™‚

heavy whale
#

I just send them a message, I think I'll try to start putting better passwords on my local devices too I guess... Is gonna be a hassle of logging in everytime, but it's better than getting compromised

#

and I might need to do some wiresharking soon as well

#

figure out if there is anyone doing something weird on my network

proven grove
#

Well, first I would determine what actually toggled the lights. Take a look at the logbook and see if it was a service or a user.

heavy whale
#

that's a good point

proven grove
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I mean, it could have been an automation or a script or even an app that went a little nuts. PE_PandaShrug

heavy whale
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the problem is that my lights toggle constantly because I have sensors. Could've also been something that triggered the sensor ofcourse, but since it happens so often it's hard to diagnose when exactly was the time... I didn't note it down

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I am guessing it's just a sensor that was tripping out

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where can I find the logbook again by the way?

proven grove
heavy whale
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lol my bad I'm blind

proven grove
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lol no worries. Thankfully I'm not. πŸ˜‰

heavy whale
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I didn't mean it literally

proven grove
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lmao sorry... my poor attempt to be funny...

tender wren
heavy whale
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my autistic nature shows

proven grove
heavy whale
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now I just need to set the x_forwarded allowed ip addresses so my nginx proxy manager can safely proxy my ssl cert for my local domains

proven grove
heavy whale
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can't hit 2 birds with 1 paperclip

proven grove
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Actually... you probably could... they make big paperclips. I've seen them! lol But the damn birds are too fast... unless we are talking about something like an Emu or an Ostrich... Might be able to hit two of them with a single paperclip

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Autisim and over-engineering... what can go wrong?

heavy whale
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you have to take the aerodynamics of the paperclip into account

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and the trajectory

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with some kind of divised cannon, it could be quite a easy task

proven grove
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I like the way you think!

heavy whale
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I am so new to home assistant that I can't find the logout button

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where is it hidden?

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ah

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on my profile

tender wren
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Well... it says 2 birds with 1 paperclip. Doesn't say you aren't allowed to fire a bunch of them like a shotgun - to get one of them hitting 2 birds. πŸ€”

heavy whale
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aren't there ways to make the paperclip extremely bouncy, by utilising some form of different material, so that it's chances are increased to hit 2 birds?

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anyhow, thank you everyone

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problem diverted for the time being

tender wren
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@proven grove and I will think about that on our bouncy castle

heavy whale
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for the http: trusted_proxies, do I need to allow my entire subnet private 10 range in order to access home assistant?

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I'll have to do some cidr notation stuff to see how to get the entire 10 range

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should be: 10.0.0.0/10

tender wren
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You don't. It can also be a specific IP address. Or if you are using HAOS and a proxy add-on the Docker network range

heavy whale
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I want my entire private address range to be able to reach it

proven grove
tender wren
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Trusted proxy defines, which proxy can reach HA

heavy whale
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yes, and my proxy is on a 10 range address as well as all of my other networking equipment πŸ™‚

tender wren
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You don't have to trust all devices on your network to be proxies

heavy whale
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that is true

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do I just put in the only proxy address?

tender wren
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You are not using an add-on on HAOS?

heavy whale
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I am using add-ons, which one specifically? I'm not using a proxy from HAOS itself if that is the question

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I'm using one from another device

tender wren
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In that case its IP address (hopefully static) should do the trick

heavy whale
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yeah it is

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ok, I'll give that a try

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hmmm still 400 bad request....

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do I have to restart home assistant entirely?

tender wren
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You have to restart HA for the trusted proxies to take effect

heavy whale
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cidr notation for a single ip is /32 right?

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ok

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/24 should be a single subnet

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works!

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thank you!

median shale
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all of them are single subnets

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even /1 which includes the whole internet

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/24 is a full octet though

heavy whale
median shale