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proven grove
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Yup… wait no. In your router.

frigid echo
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......d'oh. Man DUDE

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the Tunnel vision is REAL!! hahahahahahahaha

proven grove
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Cut back on the energy drinks… lol

frigid echo
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actuall sleep deprived

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I worked at 4am EST and still active and kicking

proven grove
frigid echo
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stuck at this part where go command is

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ugh. That is much more complicated than I thought it is @proven grove

proven grove
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That’s why I asked if you needed the link.

tropic ocean
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I hope this is the right channel but I'm reinstalling windows and was wondering is there's any way to keep my HASS Agent integrations working on the new install without having to reconfigure them?

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because from what I understand it'll create new entities for the new install instead of using the old ones

humble mirage
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You may be able to rename the entities afterwards

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You'll probably have to delete the old device first though

cerulean jacinth
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Every time a HA core version is installed, then a lot of apps are not running. I need to reboot the rspsberry pi. Then it is ok. This is quite annoying. There is no warning and. I cannot find this back in the log. Also HAOS is still on 10.4. Upgrade to 11.0 fails

raven forge
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Check ha supervisor logs and ha core logs via SSH.

nocturne turtle
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Im having difficulty installing Kasa integration with Matter Support. It links automatically and asks for my authentication/authorization. I put in my correct name and password to the Kasa integration, but it wont accept it. I saw somewhere that I have to add to the YAML code, but cant figure out what or where to put it, or if its even needed. Anyone have any experience with new kasa switch integration, it would be appreciated.

hasty remnant
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hi i have an really nasty Home assistant OS bug, or better sayed i dont know where or why it happens...
since around 4-5 days i have the problem that my hass froze completly at 8:02 am every day. it lose network connection and also when i have an keyboard and monitor connected to the hardware (bare metal install) i cant do anything anymore, i have to do a cold reboot with pushing the power button until it the system is offline. also the zigbee connected devices dont work anymore at these time

proven grove
hasty remnant
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thinkcenter with ssd

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i guess, but i think it wierd that it happens exactly at 8:02 every day, i think i t happens there because at these time my hass entity for my router say the connection is offline

proven grove
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And you're running HAOS? Or is this a VM install or something like that?

hasty remnant
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haos

proven grove
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🤔 Are you running any automations at 08:00? Is there anything in the HA logs?

hasty remnant
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i had an automation at these time but its deactivated since ~2 weeks, i dont know what logs i should look into because most logs are lost at restart and dont know how to make them permanent

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beside of that no known automations, i would look into cronjobs but dont know how on hass os cli 😵‍💫

proven grove
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If you go into the console, there is a home-assistant.log.1 file from the last known boot.

hasty remnant
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one moment i will look into

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oh and here you can see the connection loss at 8:02

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normal that i cant upload screenshots?

humble scaffoldBOT
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@hasty remnant Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

hasty remnant
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okay as far as i see only the network connection just got lost

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because i saw that zigbee still see his devices and loggs triggers from them

proven grove
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No errors from before the network connection being lost?

hasty remnant
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no errors

hasty remnant
proven grove
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Hmmmm, no errors in the HA logs leads me to believe that it's probably a hardware issue.

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It looks like it's losing the network adapter for some reason.

hasty remnant
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but i find it really interesting that at the same time its losing keyboard connection also

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like i saying even when i connected with a physical keyboard im not able to do anything then

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or the graphic output froze, but its unrealistic, because when i disconnected graphic and connected it again im getting the same output than before

proven grove
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Quite possibly a kernel panic happening. You could try something like dmesg and looking for errors there.

hasty remnant
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but dmesg shows only the actuall system as far as i know

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normally in /var/log there would be dmesg.0 for older system boots.... but there is no :/

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how can i access journalctl? there are journal logs but i cant run the command

proven grove
hasty remnant
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hmmm thinking about revover a hass backup to older version a week ago and looking if it works again 🤔

hasty remnant
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when i look into my backups from system and addon updates, i guess it was the 2024.4.4 -> 2024.5.1 update since i have the network problems

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at least i have done these update the day before the network problems started

frigid echo
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@proven grove Woke up with fresh mindset. I finally got the ACTUAL HAOS. I had to use other guide rather than you gave me a link

rare yew
rare yew
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The question now is where can i download an older version of the OS outside of the raspberry pi imager

proven grove
rare yew
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goes to find a usb keyboard.

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seems from the docs its in this format: --version 2024.5.4 how does that align with 12.2?

humble mirage
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ha os update maybe?

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You can of course grab the images from the OS repo

proven grove
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Yeah, I had the command wrong. It's os not core.

humble mirage
rare yew
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excellent. see that now

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so
ha os update --version 12.2 if i can't find a keyboard i will try flashing

crude temple
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anyone got a guide to install HA on proxmox?

mystic ice
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grab the iso and install it to a vm?

raven forge
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There is no iso.

mystic ice
rare yew
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should it be the 64 or non-64 xz file. when using the imager, it doesn't distinguish so not sure what its choosing. guess would be 64

crude temple
raven forge
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What does it say? Your DNS is likely misconfigured.

crude temple
raven forge
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What does nslookup github.com and cat /etc/resolv.conf say? Please use code blocks.

mystic ice
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pretty clear their dns is busted

crude temple
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;; communications error to 127.0.0.1#53: connection refused
;; communications error to 127.0.0.1#53: connection refused
;; communications error to 127.0.0.1#53: connection refused
;; no servers could be reached


root@barberserver:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf 
search local
nameserver 127.0.0.1
root@barberserver:~# ```
mystic ice
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if your not sure what to set for dns, you can always try 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1

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looks like you have it set to localhost, which means it'll never resolve anything

raven forge
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I usually recommend to set it to the gateway's ip. Check cat /etc/network/interfaces.

crude temple
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auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

iface eno1 inet manual

auto vmbr0
iface vmbr0 inet static
        address 192.168.0.150/24
        gateway 192.168.0.1
        bridge-ports eno1
        bridge-stp off
        bridge-fd 0


source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*```
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How to i change dns?

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Very new to proxmox

mystic ice
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thats the network config of proxmox

raven forge
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Run nano /etc/resolv.conf. Replace nameserver 127.0.0.1 with nameserver 192.168.0.1 then try again.

mystic ice
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not the vm itself

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oh, you're trying to download it to the proxmox host still lol

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in your proxmox webui, go to datacenter -> pve, on right side, System -> DNS

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and set your dns servers

crude temple
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;; communications error to 192.168.0.1#53: timed out
;; communications error to 192.168.0.1#53: timed out```
raven forge
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Might be simpler that way but I figured if we're in the CLI already.

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Yeah this needs a thread. This will take a minute.

mystic ice
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his gateway might not be running a dns resolver, really depends on his network setup, I'd just slap 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 in there for now just to make things work

rare yew
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im back in business. thanks for the help.

tawny heath
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Just received my beelink. First time I will try HA. I plan to use HA, adguard and an alternative to Dropbox. I have never done that before. So any terminology might be new. Which is the preferred way to do it? With time, I might find another fun thing to install. But for now I have those 3 in mind

raven forge
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Please don't post the same message into multiple channels.

tawny heath
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I realised it might be wrong in the other one. But forgot to delete it. It’s more about how to install it.

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If you think it fits better there I can delete this one instead

raven forge
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No here is probably better.

trim ocean
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nah bro ha just intergrates more and more things

tawny heath
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Do you mean that installing HAOS and then through that I can install adguard and next cloud in the same beelink?

raven forge
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With what I recommended you can run adguard in its own VM or container. Don't abuse HAOS for something it's not good at.

tawny heath
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ok. So after a youtube video and reading your post. I replace windows on the Beelink with proxmox. That will be used as a way to create VMs and install whatever I want there. and they can run simultaneously. There, i can create HA, AdGuard and Nextcloud VMs. So on the same Beelink mini-pc, I will have

  • proxmox
  • HA
  • Adguard
  • nextcloud

running at the same time. Understood correctly?

versed canyon
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hey! I am getting a timeout when trying to pull the latest docker via docker compose. is there something going on at github or is this issue on my end, and if so, how do i fix it?
image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"

proven grove
versed canyon
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is this some sort of ipv4/ipv6 issue? my isp is making my life hell with that stuff

proven grove
versed canyon
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home assistant is on ubuntu server, but i had the same ping timeout for github.com on my windows machine

proven grove
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Yeah, that would lead me to believe you have a bigger issue than HA. What happens if you ping/nslookup ghcr.io?

versed canyon
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i fixed it. for some reason being logged into my github EMU account blocked ghcr.io and github.com on my whole network🤦‍♂️

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i logged out of that one and then logged in with my standard github account and then it unlocked pinging the websites and pulling from them

proven grove
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WTAF? That's a thing?! Huh... Alright, well, yay?

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lol

versed canyon
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thats new though. only started happening today. who knows whats going on there

proven grove
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Honestly, I've never seen an EMU account actually lock domains across an entire subnet before... adding this to my "crap I've never thought of" list.

versed canyon
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nevermind. its still acting weird. when i try to access the website github.com it loads forever, then throws me an error, then instantly goes to the website. i cannot ping it though

proven grove
versed canyon
proven grove
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If you can ping ghcr.io and it's resolving, then the image should be pulling. You did test this from your Ubuntu server, right?

versed canyon
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i can ping it just fine, then when i try to do the pull command, it still fails

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"context deadline exceeded"

proven grove
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That's a Go error... wtaf? Are you using a compose file or just a straight docker command?

versed canyon
proven grove
versed canyon
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"compose" is not a docker command

proven grove
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What version of docker compose are you on?

versed canyon
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1.29.2

proven grove
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Did you install it with apt?

versed canyon
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i mean it shows up when i do "apt list" so yeah, i guess

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should i do apt install docker again? it tells me that it wants to add a new package docker wmdocker

proven grove
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Probably... or just apt update if you installed it that way.

versed canyon
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update and upgrade doenst update it

proven grove
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Obvs hold any packages and yadda yadda yadda.

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Wait what? upgrade doesn't update the package you installed with apt?!

versed canyon
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well its on latest

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so nope

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even on latest "docker compose is not a command". 1.5-2

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only docker-compose

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im on ubuntu jammy LTS btw

raven forge
proven grove
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Hmmmm... docker-compose was deprecated a while ago.

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Yeah, that just uses apt in their scripts. But, the repo might be outdated or something.

raven forge
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Try apt install docker-compose.

versed canyon
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hmmm i am afraid that uninstalling the current docker version and installing through that guide would break stuff in my HA docker thats currently up

raven forge
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Sounds like you have no backups 😉

versed canyon
grand pivot
raven forge
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I don't like this as it gets no updates.

grand pivot
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I just did it on my Synology that had an old Docker version and no compose

versed canyon
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a couple of days ago docker-compose pull worked just fine

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weird

grand pivot
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I'm suggesting the least intrusive potential solution

versed canyon
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ill do a backup and then probably just reinstall docker to get back to a place where it should be. thanks for the info. i kind of doubt its going to fix the "context deadline exceeded" error though

raven forge
versed canyon
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thanks for that nudge in the right direction already

grand pivot
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I think you should try disabling ipv6

raven forge
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I saw this a few times but unfortunately I don't remember a fix for it. It can have a few different causes.

versed canyon
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i cannot disable it on the ISP router, i can disable it on my proper NAT router and on the machines

raven forge
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ghcr.io doesn't even have AAAA records from what I can tell so the v6 tests will fail but you'll see.
We could try some basic connectivity tests

nslookup ghcr.io
nslookup ghcr.io 1.1.1.1
ping -4 ghcr.io
ping -6 ghcr.io
curl -vLI4 ghcr.io
curl -vLI6 ghcr.io
versed canyon
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it works for a while then it stops working for a while

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i was just able to ping ghcr.io like 50 times and now i cannot ping it anymore. its like i am getting timed out after doing a bunch of requests

raven forge
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I suppose you could use tmux and run pings to x different hosts each in a different panel and see what happens.
But this is more playing around rather than installing :p

versed canyon
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now i was able to ping it again and once i do curl its stuck on "trying"

raven forge
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Does your docker host have a static ip or does it get one via DHCP?

versed canyon
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DHCP on the machine but the router determines a static IP for it

raven forge
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I still don't know what the proper term for that is. I call one a static lease and one a static ip. Anyways, I just wanted to single out a potential ip conflict.

steel zephyr
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I started a HA update tp 2024.5.4. ...it says it 9 hours ago ?

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Oh wait...I think it just finished...

spring sage
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I have the Linux version of HA (not Docker nor VM. maybe Core). How do I stop this from auto-booting?

spring sage
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Is this the right cmd?
systemctl disable home-assistant@homeassistant

raven forge
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How did you install it?

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You can check units with systemctl list-units.

hoary comet
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hello. HA on diet pi. :8123 login box but no passowrd or login work. any clues.

tender wren
hoary comet
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thanks sorted now.

inner copper
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Using a Pi5. Does ethernet need to be plugged in for setup? I'd assume thats the only way it could communicate

tender wren
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Yes

inner copper
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No luck getting to the site. DNS issue i'd guess?

proven grove
inner copper
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sorry haha. first time set up. just installed. the homeassistant.local 8123

proven grove
inner copper
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nope

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i can ping it tho

rotund gazelle
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Hey HA guys! I got HAOS running on my Mac Studio M2 Ultra, thanks to your suggestions a couple of weekends ago!

proven grove
inner copper
proven grove
inner copper
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the core check came back successful. is there a command for shutting down or just pull the plug?

inner copper
hasty remnant
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what is running bellow hassos? i want to install ethtool to look more deeply into nic related problems i have since a few days and dont know how to install that :/

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found it

stone nexus
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Hello, I am trying to Install Home Assistant OS via Proxmox, and I get the HTTP 500 /TLS Handshake Timeout Error when trying to install it
Here is the Log, and it keeps repeating itself
2024-05-18 15:57:11.763 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/create?tag=2024.5.4&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fqemux86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: TLS handshake timeout") 2024-05-18 15:57:11.764 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retrying in 30sec 2024-05-18 15:57:41.765 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4 2024-05-18 15:57:41.765 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant with tag 2024.5.4. 2024-05-18 15:57:51.863 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/create?tag=2024.5.4&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fqemux86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Head "https://ghcr.io/v2/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant/manifests/2024.5.4": net/http: TLS handshake timeout") 2024-05-18 15:57:51.864 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retrying in 30sec

hasty remnant
pulsar pawn
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Hello peeps, I cant seem to get this conbee ii device to configure. I've decided to give homeassistant on rpi4 a go, but when configuring the device, i get a "failed to probe USB device". So far ive tried turning if off/on, switching to USB 3.0 slot, and then manually updating conbee ii via command prompts.

proven grove
hasty remnant
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Hmm good point didn't think Ed about looking more into it on other channels, I think I will today and link them into the issue

proven grove
hasty remnant
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What do you mean with "the question" are "widely different"? I can't follow atm

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Oh you mean in general I guess

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I thought you mean something about my question

proven grove
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lol sorry. Still on my first cup of coffee. Yeah, generally speaking.

turbid wraith
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Hi, so I currently have HAOS on my Pi, but I'd like to run some other things on it at the same time (HA doesn't use much of the CPU as I have a pretty small installation). So, I'm planning to put some version of linux on it, then install HA and other stuff. But there's lots of different versions and methods. What's the best method (i.e. with the most features) that stilll lets me run other stuff? Thanks

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I think my options are a VM running HAOS (which I imagine isn't ideal since there will be performance lost, right?), supervised (which appears to have pretty much all the features of HAOS), the container and core. I don't know a ton about linux, so which option is going to be best here?

raven forge
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Supervised is not an option: #installation-archived message
I wouldn't recommend virtualizing on a pi. A (U)SFF/Mini PC would be a great idea for that though and it's what I recommend: #hardware-archived message
In case you care why I don't like pis and think above is much better: #general-archived message
With the hardware you have I would recommend the docker installation method. As OS I like debian but use what you're familiar with.

turbid wraith
# raven forge Supervised is not an option: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/944...

i already have the Pi tho, so I'd prefer to use that, though in future if I need a small computer for something I'm definitely going to like at a mini pc rather than a Pi. using the container is kind of annoying though, since it lacks addons, and a supervisor (which as I understand basically makes sure everything is always up to date etc). I'll probably go down that route anyway though, thanks for the help!

raven forge
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Addons are just docker containers with some glue so they can be integrated into HA and managed by the supervisor.

turbid wraith
raven forge
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As I said. Addons are containers so I'm not sure what to answer to that.

gleaming chasm
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Anyone else having trouble updating from 2024.5.3 to 2024.5.4? Im seeing this in the supervisor which I've never had trouble with before:

2024-05-19 20:35:18.036 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4")
2024-05-19 20:35:18.039 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Updating Home Assistant image failed
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I'm not seeing any DNS or connection issues

grand pivot
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Ran out of space?

gleaming chasm
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Nope. Only using 20% of my available storage

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running 'nslookup ghcr.io' looks to be working fine. Not sure why it can't find the image.

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I'm trying this on Home Assistant OS 12.3 on a raspi 3b.

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Which I installed about 1.5 years ago and never really had much trouble updating until this

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If I run a 'df -h' no partition is above 22% on use

placid burrow
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Don't forget to check df -i too

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On EXT4 it's possible to run out of inodes before running out of blocks

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But in both cases you usually get a no space left on device error, so it probably isn't that

gleaming chasm
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nothing above 14% with df -i.

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Think I should try 'ha core update' in terminal?

raven forge
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Can you try running docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4 via SSH?
You need the Advanced SSH addon with disabled protection mode.

grand pivot
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Could be an ipv6 issue

gleaming chasm
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Going to simply try a raspi reboot then yes. Thanks for the help!

gleaming chasm
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OK. Did a full system reboot. Tried the update again and everything went smooth. I have no idea what was going on. Thanks for the quick responses @grand pivot @placid burrow @raven forge !

loud widget
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I'm switching over from running HA on windows to Linux, and I'm not getting anywhere past getting the docker running.

I followed the official guide to set up HA through docker and Docker Desktop says it's running, but when I got to any of the URLs to set up HA it wants me to log in. I found out it's trying to point to my Pi that's also running my current HA. When I turn off the Pi, no URLs want to load HA.

Checking the logs through Docker Desktop, no errors are shown and the last line given is
"s6-rc: info: service legacy-services successfully started"

I've installed HA on Ubuntu and Mint and I'm getting the same result, so HA isn't communicating somehow.

grand pivot
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Installed how?

mental dome
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Hi smart people: I am having trouble updating to 2024.5, After I update, I get stuck in an SSL handshake error. Not sure what has changed. It's been working fine for 12 months (using cloudflare to tunnel out). I can't even access the local IP after the update. So All I can do it back out and reinstate my snapshot. Any ideas??

loud widget
remote jolt
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Hey @raven forge, I found the issue. It was the dns running in Home Assistant OS, the set the dns to 8.8.8.8 inside the HA OS, it worked.
I first tried changing my router dns to 8.8.8.8 but the issue did not resolve. I had to change the dns in the HA OS in order to get it working.

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By default the dns in HA OS is set to my router gateway address.

rich mantle
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Is anyone familiar with the rpi4 installation and HA-OS and often crashes? Usually happens to me every couple of days. Nothing I can find in *.log.1 besides the usual errors regarding InfluxDB database is not accessible. Running it directly on my SSD I attached to the pi.

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And reading its jounal is not so much a thing on the HA-OS it appears.. wonder why there's no addon for this. Guess it has to do with docker.

humble mirage
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Do you have an externally powered USB hub for the SSD, or is it directly connected?

rich mantle
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Directly connected with the power I got with the pi.

humble mirage
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Try an externally powered USB hub

rich mantle
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You think that's the cause? Lack of power? Even though when I had debian installed (with HA on top of it) I never had any crash issues.

humble mirage
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It's common enough that it's worth eliminating

rich mantle
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True that. Is there a way to confirm it? Something being written somewhere in the logs?

humble mirage
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I've seen a lot of HAOS users with power problems on a Pi that they never had with another OS

humble mirage
rich mantle
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Appreciate the reply. Guess I'll go grab a hub. See if that resolves things.

sand frost
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I have HA set up in docker, is there a command I can use to update a specific container via ssh?

proven grove
sand frost
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I also have portainer set up, but wasn't sure if I could do it through there

proven grove
sand frost
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oh that's too easy. I'll try that as soon as i can remember my ssh pass :eyeroll:

proven grove
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lol ssh-copy-id [user]@[host] is your friend once you remember your password 🙂

sand frost
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Okay, back in. Let me try the pull... do I need to stop the container first?

proven grove
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Nope

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Just do a docker compose pull [container name] && docker compose up [container name] -d

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Could throw a down in there as well, but you don't need to. the up will recreate the continer

sand frost
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I really need a cheat/reference sheet for this. Pulling up the yaml to get the container name cannot be the easiest way

proven grove
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docker ps -a

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look at the name column.

sand frost
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lol nodered

proven grove
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And there ya go!

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docker compose pull nodered && docker compose up nodered -d

sand frost
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no config file provided: not found

proven grove
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Are you in the same directory as your docker-compose.yml?

sand frost
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I am

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not

proven grove
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cd to the directory where your compose file is and then run the commands.

sand frost
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yup. on it. it's working now

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All this just to use the new device trigger XD

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So to update everything, do you just do a pull without a container name? -- I'm not doing that right now, but for my reference sheet...

proven grove
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LMAO... at least it's usually a fast pull/recreate.

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Yup... just docker compose pull && docker compose up -d --remove-orphans will do it.

scarlet turtle
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hey guys! i hate to be that guy since i searched for a couple of hours for a fix on a raspberry pi 4b. I just found HA yesterday when I was botting up MM and wanted to give it a try. I'm getting the good ol (WARN) HA CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console. I've done the fixes that I've read, waited the 20 minutes rebooted the pi and tried login. I'm currently at a loss since I'm brand new to this. Any insight would be appreciated since I understand you guys get the same question over and over again.

proven grove
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I aliased that to a command I called docker-update.

sand frost
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Awesome. Thanks @proven grove! Looks like that all worked fine

proven grove
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Happy to help 🙂

sand frost
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so much nicer than the rpi install I had before putting it on a thinclient

proven grove
proven grove
scarlet turtle
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On a 32g card and yes keyboard is mounted with a screen

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Im pretty new to the whole Pi world, only thing ive done with one is Octoprint for my 3D printers but that was pretty straight forward

proven grove
proven grove
scarlet turtle
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i was going to try that next lol. lemme give it a shot and ill hop back on if the issue is still haunting me lol.

proven grove
scarlet turtle
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one last question. Should i do the wifi stuff in the imager or should i leave that all blank

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nvm it doesnt give me that option sorry

proven grove
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You shouldn't connect HA to WiFi. Ethernet is the preferred method. WiFi can be flaky.

scarlet turtle
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omg....thats probably my issue im so sorry. i didnt tie in to an ethernet. sorry!

median shale
proven grove
scarlet turtle
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yaaaa.. hard to have interwebs without interwebs connection! we just had a baby last week so my brain compacity is not 100% lmfao

proven grove
rich mantle
scarlet turtle
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So I got everything running but correct me if I’m wrong. It’s just using the pi as a server? I was thinking that there was going to be a GUI on the pi to show the dashboard on the screen of the pi

humble mirage
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Correct, HA is the server

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The GUI is web based

scarlet turtle
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Womp womp. I was hoping it was going to be like magic mirror lol

humble mirage
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HAOS has no local desktop, or web browser

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If you need that then you'd need to use a different install method, but a Pi3 would break trying to do HA + a desktop

scarlet turtle
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Gotcha

raven forge
raven forge
proven grove
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Do you have it working using zsh?

raven forge
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No I use bash.

proven grove
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Hmmmm, ok. Maybe that's why.

grand pivot
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Zsh completion and suggestions are my savior

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Type the first character of a command and it recalls exactly what I wanted much of the time

proven grove
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Mostly the main reason I use zsh... along with various plugins.

raven forge
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The only real modification to my shell is fzf (I use its CTRL+R enhancement a lot) and perhaps a few aliases. My backlog of cool things to try is so long I have no clue where to start most of the time.

proven grove
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I haven't made any mods to my shell for like 3 or 4 months now. I'm so proud of myself. 😄

raven forge
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I just installed ZSH, changed my default shell (chsh), followed the docs I linked and logged in again. Completion works fine 🤷
Some proof: https://imgur.com/a/afYsLDe

proven grove
hushed eagle
#

I am currently running Home Assistant Core on an older Synology NAS server DS215j. I have searched for ways to install HA OS but it required VM or Docker, which both do not run on this older NAS server. I also have an older Raspberry Pi somewhere which is a 3 Model B, but if my research is correct this is also the bare minimum to run HA OS?
Do I need to invest into new hardware before continuing with HA OS?

humble mirage
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The Pi3b will work, but it is the minimum and not really recommended

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#hardware-archived has a long history of better recommendations than a Pi - mostly second hand small form factor PCs from the likes of Dell or HP

celest knoll
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Hi there!
I've searched for months but I guess I lack too much theory to find the answer myself.
I have HA OS installed on a raspberry pi 4 connected to my router.
I haven't access HA for several months and I'm afraid that messed up with the HTTPS certificate.

My internet service provider (Free, in France) provides a domain name with a RSA certificate.
On my ISP interface, the certificate is said to be valid (expire in 72 days).
On any SSL checker (www.sslshopper.com), the certificate is said to be expired.
On my HA interface, the connection is impossible and retries infinitely.
I cannot connect via the local IP, I think this is because I did something stupid in my config file.
I can connect via SSH but I don't know what to look for.

Is it possible that the certificate is valid on my ISP side but not on my HA side? If yes, how can I correct that via SSH?
Otherwise, is my ISP just mistaken on my certificate status? (they obviously don't answer me 😦 )

humble mirage
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Check your http: section of your config file

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Do you list ssl_* there?

celest knoll
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yes

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http: ssl_certificate: /ssl/fullchain.pem ssl_key: /ssl/privkey.pem

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Correction : I think I did something stupid in the GUI, not in the config file.
I'm still a bit confused about that GUI configuration system, it seems far more difficult to recover if you can change it only if your system works...

humble mirage
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You should be able to connect with https:// if HA is running

celest knoll
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So my isp is wrong ?

humble mirage
#

Have you tried?

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https://192.168.0.42:8123/ or whatever the LAN IP is

humble scaffoldBOT
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@loud widget I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
raven forge
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Please share your compose file. Also make sure the firewall is disabled.
Pretty sure there's no docker desktop docs so what did you do exactly?

loud widget
raven forge
#

You should 🙂
What command did you use exactly to start the cotainer?

loud widget
raven forge
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I can't help with the docker for desktop on linux part because I never used it and don't know how its networking works as it uses a VM. Not sure how it configures it or of it supports host networking. I also don't recommend a GUI on a server.

loud widget
raven forge
#

As a very simple test you can try sudo ufw disable and see if HA is reachable then.

raven forge
loud widget
raven forge
loud widget
raven forge
#

You might have to use sudo or install the engine again.

loud widget
#

It's up and running onboarding now, but how do I make sure HA starts up on its own after a reinstall?

grand pivot
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make sure you have this in the docker-compose.yaml for the HA service: restart: unless-stopped

loud widget
grand pivot
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running a container is, IMO, the easiest way to make a persistent service that starts at boot

loud widget
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That's why I've been looking to finally learning Linux. I have a pi running HA right now, but I'm hoping to get nginx on the pi

mental dome
#

Any idea why when I upgrade to 2024.5, I get stuck in an SSL handshake error. Not sure what has changed in 2024.5. It's been working fine for 12 months (using cloudflare to tunnel out). I can't even access the local IP after the update. So All I can do it back out and reinstate my snapshot. Any ideas??

raven forge
teal axle
#

I need help with getting my hassio instance, running in a vm, online. I had it working (so not sure if it fits in installation) for a long time. I made some changes on my router (added guest ssid) and nothing went wrong with anything else, the host computer and all other devices as far as i can tell are all online nad working. hassio however is not connected to anything. I can not even ping the router or anything else on the lan.

I tried to reboot (the vm) but it did not help

I can access the cli from the host computer, but I dont know where to start to debug this.

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its some networking magic. I rebooted the host and now its back.

humble scaffoldBOT
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@upper trail I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
upper trail
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plus nothing loads.. like history etc

humble mirage
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Read-only file system

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You need to look at the host logs to find out what's going on

upper trail
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lots of readonly messages in it's console.. i don't know what changed

humble mirage
#

Try a VM reboot

upper trail
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oh i found it.. the disk is full

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why would it be using 64gb of storage

humble mirage
#

Depends on what you're doing with it

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Plus whether you allocated 64 GB actual, or sparse

#

Database is the usual culprit if you don't use cameras

upper trail
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Yeah no cameras yet

late sparrow
#

Is a 2012 mac mini a good place to run home assistant?

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I have it running on a pi 3 with sd card but running into problems and ithink its either the sd card or just generally underpowered

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but mac mini is pretty old

empty bloom
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probably not

late sparrow
#

shoot

proven grove
# late sparrow shoot

Just for context I got another user off of a Mac Mini 2014 recently and onto a rPi4. Even that was better than the Mac was.

late sparrow
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I am very surprised by this.

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I might just use an external ssd

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with the pi

median shale
#

3rd gen mobile i series CPU in the 2012 mac mini

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I'd guess it depends on what exactly you're running on your HA setup. mac mini is a lot more capable cpu and can have a lot more RAM and is easier to do with SSD boot than a pi. but it also uses more electricity and can't do hardware decoding of h264/5

late sparrow
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well its already on all the time anyway for homebridge. so I am not too bothered about electricity. I do have unifi protect connected to HA but I dont know whether that needds hardware decoding h264. it is only used for glancing at snapshots. however there are over 70 cameras attached.

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but the pi even with the sd card is mostly handling it.

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its crashed a few times. I dont know exactly why. the logs said it couldnt be sure it turned off correctly or something like but no clear answer on what happened.

median shale
#

see, now you're talking about something different.

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running HA as a VM along with other services is not the same as running it bare metal.

#

sd cards can't handle the write cycles from HA. you're best off if you can boot from SSD/HDD

late sparrow
#

see how it goes

lost obsidian
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It's a fresh installation

median shale
#

is it connected via ethernet?

humble mirage
#

Port 22 won't be open on a new install - there's no SSH daemon by default

median shale
#

right, but that error is that it can't connect to ghcr.io/<a bunch of stuff> and so I was wondering if it was actually connected to the network at all

humble mirage
#

That can be a problem if there broken IPv6 - the host gets an address but there's no connectivity

violet bluff
#

hmm, same stuff over here. fresh installation on a new RPi5 and freshly written 32GB card (Raspberry Pi Imager finished with no problems)

#

error message looks like:
[supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4
[supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant with tag 2024.5.4.
[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi5-64-homeassistant:2024.5.4: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.44/images/create?tag=2024.5.4&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fraspberrypi5-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: TLS handshake timeout")
[supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retrying in 30sec

median shale
#

let me try asking the same thing but from the other direction. you aren't trying to use wifi instead of ethernet are you?

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i did my pi5 install several months ago, so a different version was installed, but it went ok

violet bluff
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nope, I am using ethernet behind IPFIRE.

median shale
#

from the error message, I'd say "only if you're authorized"

#

but that was my only idea, sorry

tame cedar
#

Hi there, I'm fairly tech savvy and created a bootable USB using balena etcher, booted into Home Assistant, was able to navigate to the URL via IP, but after clicking Start on the page eventually the page stopped responding. So I tried refreshing and it was no longer responding. I went to the box I loaded it up on and I'm trying to diagnose it now. I've ran supervisor logs and see that Home Assistant has crashed, but I'm not sure how I can dig a bit deeper. Any one able to point me in the right direction?

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I also tried various core restart and core stop and all that stuff, but I'm just curious how I can get more information about the crash

#

(Also, and sorry for the spam, this is an x86-64 install on some custom hardware that I have which has 16 GB RAM, and some other good specs that I'd need to refind since it has been so long)

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

humble mirage
#

Share the logs

tender wren
tame cedar
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What's the best way to capture the logs? Or is there a site / doc I can refer to? I'm not sure for example if I'll need to browser the directory on the USB via a standard PC or what not and is it just core logs and supervisor logs

humble mirage
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Yes, core logs, supervisor logs, those logs 😉

#

Copy and paste to a code share site, then share the URL

tame cedar
#

❤️ i think I just got lucky, I appreciate you being patient and trying to help me out

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i ended up trying a slightly older version 12.1? and it seems to be working without issue

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currently looking at the dashboard and exploring around. like i said i think i got lucky, but again thank you for trying!

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i'm really bad at doing multiple messages, but does this do the installation in the background or something? I'm used to installing linux via live cds so being at the dashboard is a little confusing unless it either installed in the background or it is in a live mode

median shale
#

for the x86 bare metal, it's running off whatever you installed the image to. I used etcher to put it on an SSD via a usb cable, then I moved that SSD into the sff PC I was planning to use

tame cedar
#

ohhh so it is kind of a live situation and running straight from my USB

median shale
#

i wouldn't call that a "live mode" because there's no option to install from it

tender wren
#

Did you flash HAOS to the PC's SSD/HDD? The live image of Ubuntu or Debian is just for doing that.

tame cedar
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i didn't. i did the not recommended balena etcher install flash of the x86-64 img

median shale
#

don't run it long term from a flash drive

tame cedar
#

now i'm seeing why it isn't recommended lol

tender wren
#

Yeah, you have to do that to your SSD/HDD. Not the USB stick

humble mirage
tame cedar
#

i was hoping it would let me install from the USB to my SSD via this

tender wren
#

Or running it as a VM is also an option

humble mirage
#

The docs are pretty clear that it's not an installer, but if you just watched a video you can miss that

tender wren
#

There is no installer like Linux distributions have

tame cedar
#

yeah it's my fault

median shale
#

you can take your hopes in one hand...

tame cedar
#

but now i know and knowing is half the battle GIIIII

#

ok gonna do the ubuntu thing like was pretty clearly spelled out. thanks for the help yall

tame cedar
#

Also I'm going to go ahead and try 12.3 again now that I'm targetting an SSD. Maybe it will be useful to know if the vector I was coming from was the issue. Won't spend too much time though if it fails again

dawn ice
#

am i just supposed to see just this single page with the home assistant logo after putting home assistant behind a reverse proxy? it did allow me to connect to it via the app

tender wren
#

Have you added the reverse proxy to the list of trusted proxies and enabled x_forwarded_for?

dawn ice
#

the app lets me connect & control via the reverse proxy as well (even without wifi)

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the webpage when accessed via proxy is just a logo and i cant login or do anything on it

tender wren
#

Have you tried to refresh the browser cache (Ctrl + F5 for example)

dawn ice
#

-_- you dont even want to know how long ive been testing configurations because i thought it wasnt working yet

tender wren
dawn ice
#

thanks Jorg!

tame cedar
#

alrightttt i'm back. now i'm stuck where docker seems to be hanging whenever it says it is starting the CLI. i let it sit for a couple hours and no progress. I then opened up a new window with alt+f buttons and tried to do some ha commands, but that appears to start another docker process that hangs too. where can i go to find more information at this point?

#

i'm currently trying 12.1 on x86-64, but i tried 12.3 and 12.2 before coming back

#

i would normally try running some supervisor logs or something but i think those are ha prefixed which just aren't working at all

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Weirdly enough I tried running a few commands on docker and ‘docker stats’ hung too

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Interesting i was looking through my BIOS and saw vt-d was off. That could be it. I’ll edit this message if success or not. edit: doesn’t look like a success

raven forge
#

Please share some pictures of what is going on.

tame cedar
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Is video okay? Could be quite a few images otherwise

raven forge
#

Sure. Just share a link.

tame cedar
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I will have to tomorrow. I have a video available now, but it isn't pointed (it has crap in the background and goes on for too long). I only used it to see the errors scrolling by of which I assume you guys would to (is that grammar right? lol)

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i may end up just running this in a VM. quite a ride just to get spaghetti detection on my P1S 3d printer haha

gritty moat
#

welp, seems like backups don't have modules or plenty of other important things.

humble mirage
#

What do you mean?

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On HAOS backups include add-ons, custom integrations, and everything else

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On Container/Core backups include everything in HA, including custom integrations

gritty moat
#

well my HAOS backups don't apparently. 🤷

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I thought with 180MB of data it would, but nope

humble mirage
#

If those are full backups then they should, unless you've found some obscure bug

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You can unzip one and look inside

gritty moat
#

how can I check if a backup is supposed to be total or partial ?

humble mirage
#

That I don't know, but it should be in the metadata or backup name

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I don't use HAOS shrug

gritty moat
#

hmm, alright.

#

thanks.

#

in any case, I still have the old machine, so it's not critical, just a small PITA

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the weird thing, checking the .tar, is that there are custom integrations (HACS), and traces of additional modules (LMS)....

humble mirage
#

There's nothing called a module in HA

#

What are you actually talking about?

gritty moat
#

well it's called like that in the French UI. xD it's the SSH terminal, MQTT broker, adguard home

humble mirage
#

add-ons

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Those too are in a full backup

#

Maybe something went wrong with the restore

gritty moat
#

thanks. Well I'll see when I have time. thanks again !

weak sand
#

Hi, I forgot my password but I don't know how to reset it ... I'm working on Home Assistant on the web, but when I click on forgot password, it goes to a web page, and none of the possibilities are my situation. I don't even know if I'm the owner but I think so. I just need a link to change my password...

humble mirage
#

Resetting the owner password requires physical access to the computer running HA

zinc briar
#

Hi , I'm not sure if this is the right place for this issue and am writing this as a complete noob to HA but basically I shifted homes recently and so my wifi also changed , how do I configure home assistant to work now (I use it in a vm on windows) , if I start the vm and try to connect to home assistant the page just doesn't load and on the phone app it says connection timed out .

raven forge
#

Which address do you use to access it? Please run ha network info in the VM. Usually it's bridged to your PC's NIC and should just get a new ip via DHCP. Can you also share a picture of the VM's network settings?

zinc briar
#

is sharing pictures not allowed in this channel?

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its not letting me

zinc briar
#

im soo sorry i have no clue about this :0

raven forge
#

All of it.

gritty moat
#

okay, new backup had all the addons, new system seems completely operational !

weak sand
humble mirage
#

Then your console is in your VM UI

#

It is that simple 😉

#

If you don't know how to access that you need to tell us the VM software you're using

weak sand
#

I'm using Oracle VM VirtualBox, when I'm powering my VM, I have indeed a console. Do I need to do that ? : TO RESET A USER’S PASSWORD, VIA THE CONTAINER COMMAND LINE
If you are running Home Assistant in a container, you can use the command line in the container with the hass command to change your password. The steps below refer to a Home Assistant container in Docker named homeassistant. Note that while working in the container, commands will take a few moments to execute.

docker exec -it homeassistant bash to open to the container command line
hass to create a default user, if this is your first time using the tool
hass --script auth --config /config change_password existing_user new_password to change the password
exit to exit the container command line
docker restart homeassistant to restart the container.

humble mirage
#

You have HAOS

weak sand
#

Thanks a lot !! I'll try that

#

is it possible to change the keyboard ? I'm using AZERTY but my VM is in QWERTY

humble mirage
#

Don't know

raven forge
humble mirage
#

Yeah, just found that myself

#

Clearly the whole world only uses the US keyboard /s

proven grove
#

Wait, there are other countries on the planet besides the US? ablobtonguewink

raven forge
#

That reminds me. I love when people on github give you a downvote when you're trying to be helpful.

empty bloom
#

I get both sides of the fence here

#

it's probably a lot of work just for the console when that should only be used as a last resort.

raven forge
#

To be honest the first thing that comes to my mind when issues like this arise is something like "this wouldn't have been a problem if HAOS would be based on debian".

empty bloom
#

🤷‍♂️

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I don't know why os people make the choices they do

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My guess is "ooo, new shiny os backbone, lets use that"

raven forge
#

I don't have the domain knowledge to judge anything in that area. It's just a thought that comes to me.

tender wren
#

We could make a feature request to change the default keyboard layout to Dvorak

#

So it is equally inconvenient for all shksKEKW

raven forge
#

I just use developer SSH to avoid it 😄

empty bloom
#

I had a coworker who played that joke on me a number of years ago. It literally broke software on my PC and I had to reinstall multiple software packages.

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(win7, random 3rd party software)

raven forge
#

It's not unique to HAOS. Certain glances keyboard shortcuts don't seem to really work well either on different layouts.

median shale
zinc briar
whole garden
#

I know how to create a Actions eg. to Apple Watch,
But how can I controll or delete a action I don´t want?
The are actions I see in watch that is from sceens I don´t want in watch but i still want to have the scene..

tropic solar
#

I've been using HA in my home for years usually in a Proxmox lxc. I have a rpi 4 that I just installed HA on to use in my RV. I think this is the first time I've ever run HA on dedicated hardware... My Question is what might be a recommended, or even, supported way of using the rPi as an access point as well as the HA?

proven grove
median shale
tropic solar
median shale
#

I'd still do a travel router then

tropic solar
median shale
#

if you end up setting up other services within the RV (streaming media, as an example), it provides the IP addresses for everything and you can connect it to the wifi when you're at a stop with wifi. that adds a layer of protection for your devices and also connects all of them to the internet via the one connection instead of doing it for each thing separate

tropic solar
#

: - ) That's exactly the one I'm looking at. Plus I can run it from USB.

median shale
#

if you were the sort of person who liked making things and also visual humor, you could make a teeny tiny server rack to house the travel router and the raspberry pi

tropic solar
tropic solar
median shale
#

Wow, fast

vestal oasis
#

hey, so i've got

http:
  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 127.0.0.1      # Add the IP address of the proxy server
    - 100.64.0.0/10  # You may also provide the subnet mask

in my config.yaml, and it was working fine yesterday, but then watchtower updated me to 2024.5.4 from 2024.5.3, and now i'm just getting a slew of http: proxy error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8123: connect: connection refused messages in my log, and none of my automations are working (and i can't connect). I'm running the image from linuxserver/homeassistant because that lets me easily slip tailscale into the image so i can access it that way. there are no error messages about a bad trusted_proxies value

humble mirage
#

Sounds like HA isn't running

cinder marsh
#

@tropic solar just saw your question and it can be done on haos, I use an add-on named 'hass.io access point' and it works well

vestal oasis
# humble mirage Sounds like HA isn't running

That make sense… but not I get to be mystified why. Using recreating the container with older images doesn’t seem to have made a difference, and I’m not seeing anything obvious in the logs as to why either.

humble mirage
#

What do the container logs show?

#

Also, what does your container definition look like?

olive vessel
#

Hi, i received some alert on HA for Login attempt or request with invalid authentication from 115.69.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com (104.197.69.115). See the log for details. Does i need to panic ?

proven grove
olive vessel
proven grove
olive vessel
vestal oasis
#

What do the container logs show?

faint hull
median shale
#

what are you running esxi on?

lime pewter
#

I'm migrating from an old HA to new one. My integrations arent showing up. I'm just seeing the default installation. Everything else appears to be copied over okay. Any suggestions?

proven grove
lime pewter
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yes, scp'ed the files over, and rebooted the container

nimble jackal
#

hi - was trying to do hass in k8s

proven grove
nimble jackal
#

is there a preferred way to set up the container's default configs?

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seems like the only safe way would be to apply any defaults with an init container

lime pewter
#

@rare tinsel I'm using the container from homeassistant, the stable image.

proven grove
lime pewter
#

I havent, but I'll try that. One sec.

proven grove
proven grove
nimble jackal
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I'm specifically trying to deal with these without any hand-configuration:

2024-05-23 02:04:54.831 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http.forwarded] A request from a reverse proxy was received from 10.1.0.0, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies
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but it'd also be nice to have db settings, etc, already there

lime pewter
proven grove
nimble jackal
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homeassistant edits the configuration.yaml in-place, though, right?

lime pewter
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yes it does... i think?

grand pivot
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HA never edits configuration.yaml

proven grove
lime pewter
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oh, neat

nimble jackal
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ok, so it just rolls out some set of defaults when ther e isn't one?

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just trying to figure out what shape of thing I need to do to keep from stepping on home assistant's toes

proven grove
nimble jackal
lime pewter
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@proven grove so i realized my issue, my scp isnt copying the hidden files .storage, etc

nimble jackal
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but if it also means that the edits are all done by the admin, that's fine

proven grove
proven grove
nimble jackal
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thanks

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just a lot to unpack with both the HA container as well as the usual helm charts for it

proven grove
nimble jackal
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definitely an unusual architecture to use an init system in a monocontainer instead of breaking it up

nimble jackal
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deployment, statefulset, whatever

proven grove
nimble jackal
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it's a way of frontloading the work, for me

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it's easier to come back the second time, but the initial deployment hurts

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keep running it on some random container on my router, and it's fine but it's idiosyncratic

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migrate it into k8s, and I can get access to it from outside with https and single sign-on

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regarding matters of taste, there can be no argument

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shrugs

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you pick the pain you would rather deal with

proven grove
nimble jackal
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is there a way to output logs to a different directory?

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logs, dbs, etc - is there a way to configure home assistant to use one directory for all that and another for configs?

proven grove
nimble jackal
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mmk

nimble jackal
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thanks for all the help - I think I got it all in a shape I can live with

faint hull
median shale
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what version of esxi still supports those old CPUs?

faint hull
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version 7, can install version 8 as well if wanted

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but you have to use the cmd to bypass supported HW

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but it should work, i have HAOS installed previously as a docker image without issue

median shale
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ah, so not 7 or 8. but you use a hack to get around the supported limitations. I think you mean you have HA installed as a docker image, not HAOS

faint hull
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8 is not supported directly

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and yeah sorry i had HA installed

versed vapor
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You could always try a different VM hypervisor like proxmox

misty compass
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Hey all, searched the channel but couldn't find anything specific on this; trying to install home assistant through pip, but version 2024.5.4 isn't found per the x86_64 guide, just 2024.3.3. Did I miss something?

proven grove
misty compass
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Just following the guide, I have an existing web server that I'm hosting and just want to throw it on that instead of running in docker

faint hull
proven grove
misty compass
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I've been running the docker install on a VM and having fun with it, I just wanted to break my web server so I could learn more

proven grove
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Ahhhhh ok... That's a bit different then... But, what you might want to do is check out the code from github and just run it locally and poke around that way. That's kind of how I found out a lot about how HA does things. You could also do the same approach (I don't know what version is up in pip, tbh) on your webserver with a venv or something.

misty compass
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no worries, poked around a bit, nuked the install location, remade it forcing python3.12 for the venv, and pip seems to see 2024.5.4 now

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I think I made it the first time with 3.11.2

nimble jackal
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mqtt broker is no longer settable from yaml at all?

grand pivot
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Not for many months

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Maybe years

nimble jackal
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just making sure - was hoping to cram as much conf into the container description as I could

wise pond
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hi, i have a problem with the supervised installer. since i need to run a virtualhere server on my rpi5, i wasnt able to use the standalone os. next attempt for me was to install the raspbian lite edition, get that virtualhere server running and move on with the supervised installation. i also have installed portainer in my system. now the HA system is up and running, but it gives me serval warnings which states erros like "unhealthy system - docker" or "system not supported" or "apparmor problems". since i dont have HA in english i dont know how to translate the exact error. is there any way to fix this?

fallen lichen
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You probably just want the container install since you've already got Docker/portainer on that system

median shale
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you can run virtualhere on a pi0

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you don't need to complicate HA by running them on the same device.

wise pond
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yea but my license is bound to the pi 5

median shale
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well, that wasn't a great decision but you shouldn't let it cascade into more bad decisions. maybe get another pi for HA.

wise pond
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i used the pi for pihole, virtualhere and plex before. (and some basic python scripts im working on in my freetime).

median shale
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you can keep using that pi for those things and give HA its own

wise pond
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when i discovered ha i noticed i can keep all that with the standalone system.. exept for the usb support i need for my 3d printer

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i dont think for my use case its worth it, since i only want to controll a few lights in my house and keep track of my solar power (which i can do anyway on the enphase website). was hoping there is a simple way to do that

median shale
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and you don't have a pi3 lying around to use for that?

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i'd say that your use case isn't worth dealing with one of the hard or expert level installation methods rather than not enough to spend a couple of bucks on another pi

wise pond
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i dont have any other pi lying around. a few zeros which i use for my car, but i doubt they are capable of handling it

median shale
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they are a little underpowered, sure.

late sparrow
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I plan on migrating from my sd card to an external drive today. Is there a particular way I should go about doing it?

Could i pop the sd card into my mac, then completely clone it. pop it into the ssd, I am guessing i will need to resize the partition afterwards since the sd card is smaller?

Does anyone know of a good guide or have any advice?

median shale
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you're running HAOS, right?

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I followed the fresh install instructions onto the new drive, then restored a backup to it

late sparrow
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Is that really good for copying absolutely everything over. Like if i do that, as soon as the backup is restored, is it going to completely feel like nothing has changed? HACS, add ons, users, configs, everything. Is there anything that will need setting up again?

late sparrow
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its purely home assistant

neon grove
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I moved my Home Assistant by restoring a full backup from one HAOS install on a PC to a VM on Proxmox, other than then having to change. the ip address on the new VM once I turned off the old one everything else was identical.

late sparrow
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Okay I guess I will try that 😨

median shale
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i've done it about 8 times now, trying different hardware and drives and vms and whatever

wooden zealot
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is there a way to replace windows with ha or something like that, I want to run ha on my old desktop, I first did this via a vmbox but that isn't really ideal (I still need to update windows, vmbox randomly stops working etc)

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wait nvm, found it I think

late sparrow
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I'm trying to migrate my raspberry pi from sd card to ssd. I have followed the instructions to image home assistant onto the ssd. Disconected the sd and plugged in the ssd using external power supply.

Im not getting any network activity through the port the pi is plugged into if i use the ssd. swap back to the sd card and I get activity again. any ideas?

median shale
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does the SSD adapter have its own power cable?

late sparrow
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its an ssd eclosure

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plugged into a powered usb 3 hub

median shale
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ok

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and it's a pi4 or 5?

late sparrow
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3

median shale
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you need to do extra work to do that with a 3

late sparrow
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oh. I am happy at least theres a solution

median shale
late sparrow
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Can I do that using haos?

median shale
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haos is not raspbian or raspbian lite, so you'll need another sd card

late sparrow
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ah f***

median shale
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or to wipe that one out, but I'd be careful with that one until you're confidently up and running on the ssd

late sparrow
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yeah true

median shale
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sd cards are like three dollars

late sparrow
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yeah i just gotta find one

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got one a ten min walk from here I will try it thanks!

median shale
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still

late sparrow
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Will i need to have a display?

median shale
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or SSH access

late sparrow
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or can this be done through a browser

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if its a clean new os install will ssh be enabled?

median shale
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only if you enable it

late sparrow
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do you know if it can be enabled during the imaging process?

median shale
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after the imaging, in the settings on the boot partition

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oh wait

late sparrow
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oh cool i thought it might be something they would add

late sparrow
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I am really struggling to get the pi3 to boot from usb

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I followed all the instructions and copied and pasted everything but i think the guide might be outdated as the first command failed and the the desired code is not provided with the following vcgencmd otp_dump | grep 17: 17:1020000a

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which is basically meaning that it is not set to boot from usb

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so i am lost

late sparrow
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cant believe it but i figured it out there is a new config.txt in a different directory /boot/firmware/. i needed to cd into that and then used nano to add program_usb_boot_mode=1. after a reboot i got the desired ```vcgencmd otp_dump | grep 17:
17:3020000a

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I only figured it out after using nano to read the original config.txt there was a commented warning that it had moved.

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So proud of myself.

median shale
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noice

foggy cobalt
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I am trying to figure out how to add items to UI Lovelace Minimalist? I have room zero and living room that was there from the start. I want to add one somehow.

tender wren
foggy cobalt
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Sure, I asked there. Thanks.

mint zinc
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I cannot access HA, locally nor remotely. I can only access its CLI when I connect directly to rpi4. Is there a way to turn off remote access over CLI?

proven grove
proven grove
soft shadow
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I was having some weird issues with the web interface not appearing, so I decided to go for a clean slate (after taking backups, of course) - so I made a fresh install of HASS and put it in the Pi 3B+ - but U-Boot gets stuck on showing Net: No ethernet found. starting USB.... etc etc and scanning for devices. And that's where it remains. I've tried rebooting. I've tried flashing a different OS (RetroPie) - that loaded. Flashing HASS again - stuck on the U-Boot screen. Its never done this before.

median shale
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Bad SD card?

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I don't think I've ever used u-boot on an rpi

soft shadow
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I don't even know where the U-Boot comes from; I've never seen it before. I just did the full official HASS installation - first time via the Raspberry Pi Installer, the second time via Belana Etcher - same result each time. So if its an SD card issue, then why did the RetroPie install inbetween seem to work?

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But I will look around for another MicroSD card to see if that'll work.

placid sage
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Since yesterday morning my raspberry with hass os is not reachable anymore (from external, could not check internal yet). Do you know of any problems with the latest core update?

mellow hemlock
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Hello! I have a very weird problem. I create a user mqtt:mqtt. install Mosquitto, start it. Install the device MQTT setup mqtt:mqtt as user and I get “error: received null username or password for unpwd check
2024-05-25 19:37:33: Client mqttjs_7e0cb206 disconnected, not authorised.”

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Someone has an idea?

shadow pumice
placid sage
shadow pumice
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Godspeed friend! 🙂

placid sage
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Thanks again 😊

median shale
frosty fulcrum
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Hey! I have a strange problem that there's no info on the internet support/communities. I installed HAOS trough linux KVM, but when it finished and went to ip:8123, there was no welcome page, only login page, so I can't create a user, neither there are existing users. The only thing I have is the terminal (wich I can't use ha auth reset...)

earnest anvil
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hello, i have installated Home Assistant OS on a old pc following the documentation of x86-64 but when i start i have a black screen

raven forge
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What PC is it? Does it have UEFI?

earnest anvil
raven forge
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You might have to add the EUFI boot entries manually as stated in the docs. Keyword efibootmgr.

earnest anvil
raven forge
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So what is the PC model? What does efibootmgr say?

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Can you also run lsblk -o+FST,PE,LABEL in the live environment?

amber marlin
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Is there a way use vmware fusion to install HA on m chip mac?

scarlet nebula
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Hello, I'm having trouble running HA-Supervised on debian. It is a brand new install. Apparently setup went smoothly but I'm getting a bunch of errors in the core logs. It is shutting down after the fact. Can anyone help me?

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I'm not sure where's the right place to share my logs.

grand pivot
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Reconsider your choice of installation. There's no reason to use supervised

soft shadow
# median shale Did you repurpose the pi?

No, I never did. I never had anything else installed but HASS - and now RetroPie, which I just did as a test to see if it was the HASS installer that was corrupted or the actual Pi itself - but if other people have had issues connecting, maybe I just have to wait for the next version and try to flash that? Or a new memory card when I can get one.

pulsar pike
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Hi. Isn't Debian trixie/supported for Home Assistant Supervised?
If not, is there a way to make it function...?

tender wren
raven forge
pulsar pike
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I also started with the installation via Docker, but then I realized that some things like addons or host OS control were not supported with that method.

The “problem” with addons in containers is

  1. that they are incomparable (to me) to the convenience of having everything in Home Assistant
  2. there is not (I believe) exactly for every Home Assistant addon a Docker container already designed ready to use on Docker Hub, or elsewhere
raven forge
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Addons are just docker containers. And since addons are usually open source you can basically run everything yourself. You can run HAOS on bare-metal or virtualize it if you want the convenience (and can live with the limitations) of addons. If you want to run supervised you have to stick to very specific requirements and won't get much or any support.

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If you wonder why supervised is documented then.
Analytics (remember, not everyone has them enabled) show roughly 15K installations:https://analytics.home-assistant.io/
It was tried to deprecate it and people were very angry about it:

pulsar pike
# tender wren

I understand why, I was just curious why Supervised didn't support a Debian testing version (trixie), when this is still Debian but with newer kernels and packages...?

It tells me it can't install it when I install the homeassistant-supervised.deb.
Maybe there's a way to make it believe it's on Debian stable and it would work the same?

Also, I'm okay with use Docker in general, but my fear is that some specific addons may not be containerized or may not work properly when they are

tender wren
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Supervised isn't one of the recommended installation methods. It is prone to issues.
Using a non-stable release would even worsen that.
The recommended installation methods are HAOS or a Container install.

raven forge
pulsar pike
# raven forge Maybe we can ease that fear if you tell us the addons you're afraid of replicati...

Not one precisely (you can name any, Meross, DuckDNS, Nginx, etc.), and I'm almost certain that 95% of the most famous ones that I'll want to use anyway will be dockerizable.
It's that 5% that maybe isn't that scares me. Because on the one hand you have addons that you can install with one click (but you must have Home Assistant OS to do so), on the other hand you don't know if you can do it and how if so.

No problem anyway, I was just trying to figure out if it was possible to trick homeassistant-supervised.deb into working on Debian trixie

weak sand
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Hi, I'm trying to install Home assistant on an admin PC without internet. I've already install it on my own PC thanks to virtualbox. So I tried to do the same for my admin PC by puting virtualbox.exe on an USB and the vdi of home assistant. But when I try to power it up, it doesn't work... "Not in a hypervisor partition (HVP=0) (VERR_NEM_NOT_AVAILABLE). AMD_V is disabled in the BIOS (or by the host OS) (VERR_SVM_DISABLED). if someone knows this problem or has an idea, that would very kind ! thanks in advance

raven forge
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You should enable virtualization in the UEFI if you want to virtualize.

weak sand
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how should I do it ? i'm not used to admin PC... I've tried looking on internet and they tell me to press esc key when i'm restarting the PC but apart from a sound, it does nothing...

proven grove
weak sand
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okay 😩

raven forge
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Just spam ESC, F2, F10, F11, F12. Or check the manual for the PC/Mainboard.
It used to be that you get a screen that stays for 10ms that tells you the buttons you can press but a lot have replaced it with just a logo. Can't have sane defaults apparently.

weak sand
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okay I'm in it made a lot of noise but i'm in ! but I dont have the administrator password to enter the bios ... i'll need to ask my boss, thanks anyway

raven forge
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it made a lot of noise
What did you do to the poor device? 👀

south shoal
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hello I have done goofed

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somehow when I was fiddling with my voice assistant yesterday, I think i crashed the HA server and now it's refusing to boot lol

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I get a error which says the supervisor failed to start, I've tried following the advice on some of the forums, but it's not fixed it yet

proven grove
south shoal
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the specific error is "system is not ready with state: startup"

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have tried banner, supervisor repair, supervisor restart

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all return the same error

proven grove
south shoal
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I'm not entirely sure. I was working with code in ESPHome to fiddle with the boot lighting sequence in a OnjuVoice google nest mini

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was working on redoing the settings for the conversation agent in the OpenAi settings, attempted to use this integration and it crashed after that. Was able to reboot it once, then not again
https://fixtse.com/blog/local-ai-home-assistant

proven grove
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Don’t suppose you grabbed a backup before messing with the settings, did you? I’d almost say try in #voice-assistants-archived , but this sounds to me like the integration is preventing HA from starting, but I’m not sure how. Do you have the log file (or the previous one from the last boot)?

south shoal
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no backup, nope. I'm not sure how I would access the logs, it doesn't appear to be connecting to the network as far as I'm aware

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oh maybe hang on

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i have an IP address but it doesn't appear to be letting me remote into it

proven grove
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But wait, you already have access to the CLI, right?

south shoal
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I have the minipc with the HAOS connected to a monitor with a keyboard, yes

proven grove
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Ah, that’s all you need. You can try ha core logs or probably cat the actual log file (i think)

south shoal
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same error unfortunately

proven grove
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What about cat /config/home-assistant.log?

south shoal
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gave back "unknown command "cat" for ha

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tried cli cat etc, core cat etc, core etc

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no luck

proven grove
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I don’t run HAOS, so I’m not the best help here. 😔

south shoal
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I have the SSH terminal addon added in the OS, not sure how to remote into the server unfortunately

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attempting to rapidly learn atm will give any updates I have

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I am getting error "connection refused" from linux terminal using ssh command

proven grove
south shoal
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no, HAOS installed directly to the HD

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i don't have enough brains to set it up in a VM or docker lol

proven grove
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Try ssh’ing to port 22222.

south shoal
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no luck

proven grove
south shoal
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tried 22, 2222, 22222

median shale
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do you have the right ip?

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I've never done SSH to my haos, but it prompted me for a password right away when I tried just now

south shoal
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yeah i'm using the IP reported by my router, which is connected to the HA box by ethernet

median shale
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oh I see. did you follow these instructions linked from code's link?

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I should scroll up, I don't know what you're trying

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oh man, no backup? how can you have no backup?

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painful but valuable lesson there that you need to take to heart and apply to all areas of your digital life.

proven grove
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Lesson #1: Always take a backup. I can’t say this enough.

south shoal
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fair enough, lesson learned there lol

median shale
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always take regular automated backups to both a local and an offsite location

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I use the Google Drive Backups add-on and it's saved my butt

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if you prefer a different cloud provider, I think there are add-ons for most of them

proven grove
south shoal
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nah as in "will not fuck up like that again" lesson learned

median shale
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yeah, lesson learned now but that doesn't help now

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you might have a backup anyway, because the system takes them for you when you do updates

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which would be at smb://yourIP/backup

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(if you have the smb addon installed)

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unrelated to your misfortune, I really want to do the network thing you said you could help me with @proven grove (like 3 weeks ago), but I'm heading out of town at 5:45am tomorrow and I have a severe aversion to making major changes right before a period of personal availability

south shoal
median shale
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today is the first day since I talked about it that I've had a free day without people relying on the network to do it. hopefully I'll get another day before a month passes

median shale
south shoal
south shoal
median shale
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yes, well, I like living here and interfering with my sweetie's teaching or my son's education would make the place less great

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linux terminal

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which is a CLI. I think the direct connection via keyboard/monitor is more of a console than a shell

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i do think you can get a shell there by typing "login" though

proven grove
median shale
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thanks 🙂

south shoal
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now i'm more confused

median shale
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when you boot up HAOS and you get the ha> prompt, that is not a linux shell

south shoal
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I have two shells open, one on a linux machine, not connected to the HAOS. One on the HAOS machine that's causing issues

median shale
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that's a home assistant console, for issuing commands to home assistant rather than to the linux underpinnings

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if you type "login" there, that will take you to a root shell

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the one on your linux machine is only relevant if you can ssh from it into your HAOS install

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I don't have anything handy to grab a screenshot here, but where you said you were trying to type "core cat" whatever? where it has an ha> prompt?

south shoal
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yes

median shale
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that's where you type "login"

south shoal
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got it okay. was able to get to the shell

proven grove
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Woot!

median shale
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k, now the du command to find the backups folder

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du just tells you how big every subfolder is, but that conveniently dumps every subfolder name into the stdout to be piped through grep and get the path

south shoal
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right I now have a list longer than I am tall of files

median shale
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you left out the |grep back part

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oh, I wonder if it has grep installed. I take that for granted a lot

south shoal
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all of the files have "back" in them if that helps

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backlight and callback etc

median shale
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you're looking for a folder, so maybe make it backup

south shoal
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think I may have found it, it is the largest

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/mnt/data/supervisor/backup

median shale
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so cd into it and ls to list files

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hopefully it's a bunch of tar files

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rather than empty

south shoal
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yes it is

median shale
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so you want to grab the biggest recent one

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hopefully that is or is close to the biggest overall

south shoal
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not sure how to tell which is most recent or largest

median shale
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ls -Shal

south shoal
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great thanks. got one from a few days ago, not the largest but close to it

median shale
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S for "sort by size" h for "human readable instead of bytes" a for "include directories" and l for "show the long list instead of just file names"

south shoal
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ohhh that's cool

median shale
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so hopefully you have some way to copy that file to a remote system, and can use it to restore from when you reinstall from scratch

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scp is a good choice, if you have another linux machine with ssh enabled

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that'd be scp <filename> user:pass@remotehostname:. to copy it to the user's home folder on the remote system

south shoal
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I'm not sure. if I insert a USB to the mini PC would I be able to copy it to that? I was able to find the HAOS install in ssh but it wouldn't allow access

median shale
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you'd need to go FROM the HAOS TO the other system

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and no, it will likely not mount a usb drive

south shoal
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damn okay. any tips on where to look into ssh into the Linux machine?

median shale
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i would probably do * instead of the filename, come to think of it, and just grab ALL of the backups to the remote system

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there are ten million tutorials online for running an ssh server under linux

south shoal
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got it okay. I appreciate all your help!

median shale
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not that I can't still help, I just have had to revise my guess at your level of expertise six times already

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and let me just say, you should not be trying to use HACS to install an "AI" on your system until you get a LOT more experience with the various moving parts, if at all.

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it's not the worst goal to work towards, but it is a pretty advanced topic. nobody builds a house in their first week as a carpenter

south shoal
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I've used linux for a number of years, can fumble my way through issues usually. that being said, i'm a nurse so my expertise is with moving bits of human bodies lmao

median shale
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yeah, you had mentioned that before.

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people with all sorts of jobs are able to learn many additional skills, often to levels even higher than they've learned their occupation. Keep learning as much as you can for your whole life and never use where you are as an excuse not to move further.

south shoal
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definitely agree! a lot of my issues stem from not having experience with the basic backend i think

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with that said, I shall attempt to go do some more learning. I appreciate your assistance!

median shale
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no problem, good luck and have fun!

pearl sail
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hello, I need help configuring the NGINX proxy, could someone help me?

humble scaffoldBOT
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@pearl sail Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

  1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
  2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
  3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
  4. What's the exact error message?
  5. When did it arise?
  6. What exactly don't you "get"?
  7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?
ivory belfry
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I have a couple of options for where to install Home Assistant, and I wanted some feedback on which would be the “best”

Option 1: Raspberry Pi 3B+
Option 2: PC with i7-920, I forgot how much RAM, and some HDDs
Option 3: Windows XP era Dell Optiplex with unknown hardware.

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There’s technically a 4th option, but I’m saving that one to be used for OPNSense as a Router (Because my networking is hell due to Apartment living)

raven forge
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In my opinion 2 or 3. Preferably virtualized.

ivory belfry
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Really? Over a Pi?

median shale
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over a pi3, yeah

ivory belfry
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Well, that’s…. Ok that narrows things down lol!

median shale
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pick whichever one uses less electricity and space

ivory belfry
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I guess I’ll consider cracking out the XP machine to see what the actual hardware inside it is.

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Both of the PCs use about the same physical space

raven forge
ivory belfry
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And, I probably won’t virtualize my setup yet because I know literally nothing about Proxmox. And I don’t want to learn 2 things at a time.

median shale
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you also don't need an i7-8700 with 32gb of ram and an nvme drive, but that was what I had lying around.

raven forge
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HAOS is not that fun to install.

median shale
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it's not that bad either, especially if you have a boot drive that you can remove and connect via usb to another system

ivory belfry
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I don’t have a USB HDD caddie unfortunately.

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Kinda wish I did though

raven forge
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A lot of people I talk to don't even have a HDMI adapter. I don't want to expect too much.

median shale
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and if you use a good backup strategy, you can always replace your bare metal install with a vm under proxmox when you feel like learning that

ivory belfry
median shale
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you expect them to know how to install/run/manage proxmox, which is a bigger leap than "owning a usb adapter"

ivory belfry
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I’m fairly knowledgeable about PCs and can “use” Linux. But Proxmox is a bit beyond my knowledge currently.

raven forge
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Software vs Hardware 🙂

ivory belfry
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Exactly.

median shale
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I expect people to own more things than they know how to use

ivory belfry
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Hardware is arguably my better specialty.

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But, thanks for the insight on what I should do for my Home Assistant host device. Right now I don’t have a lot of things I can really use Home Assistant with, but I plan to get some lightbulbs to improve my home lighting and also run them through Home Assistant.

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I’ll probably first try to integrate some way to turn my PC off and on through Home Assistant from Midnight to 5am to help save some power (my gaming PC is power hungry)

late sparrow
raven forge
late sparrow
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oh nice. A quick google takes you elsewehere

late sparrow
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I managed to get the pc to boot into usb ssd haos and had a seemingly working haos with command line and all. But I realised I had it plugged into a port on the wrong vlan. So I fixed that up and unplugged the system. Plugged it back in. And now I can't get it to boot anymore. System just says what it said when there was no boot drive installed.

Anybody have any ideas?

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I just got it to boot. I had to esc after powering on and manually select the usb drive to boot from. So I think this is no good for automatic power on after a power cut. But at least it booted 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Looks like it has set the usb drive as default it boots straight in now 🙂

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looks like a have another problem now. An error occured while installing Home Assistant, check the logs below for more information.

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oh it wasn't letting me in but now it is 🤷🏼‍♂️

ivory belfry
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So... I'm not seeing the Home Assistant Welcome Banner on the screen I have plugged into my generic X86-64 PC...

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I did the full "Use Ubuntu to install" thing, but I just have a blinking cursor.

ivory belfry
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Ok... how the hell can a Core 2 Quad Q8400 with 6GB of RAM run Ubuntu 24.02 LTS, but not seem to boot into HAOS???

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I just get a blinking white cursor.

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sigh I guess it's time to pull out steaming pile of junk number three and install HAOS onto that. It's at least a Core i7...

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If not, I guess it's Raspberry Pi time.

raven forge
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Does that PC have UEFI support?

ivory belfry
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Well... it booted to Ubuntu, which I'd expect to be UEFI only at this point.

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If it does support Legacy Boot, then I guess that it isn't UEFI.

raven forge
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No?

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You can check with efibootmgr or ls -l /sys/firmware/efi.

ivory belfry
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Well, I have 3 swings and misses on using a 86-64 PC.

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My newest one is boot looping for no reason at all

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time to flash it on a Pi...

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And... this Pi 3B+ is just stuck at "Preparing HomeAssistant"

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On the web interface.

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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Why is HA just destined to not work with any of my hardware?

grand pivot
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That part can take a while. You should click the blue dot

ivory belfry
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There's no blue dot

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It just has a "See Log" button

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Or, I should say "Show More"

ivory belfry
grand pivot
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Did you click the link there?

ivory belfry
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This hasn't moved for like, 5 minutes now.

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There's no link to click. The Details just opens a panel that shows some output from something, it certainly isn't doing anything on the CLI Console on the Pi itself.

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Oh, now it fixed itself.

raven forge
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You could try opening the same URL in a new tab.

median shale
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Wow @core2quad

acoustic epoch
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Repost from #zigbee-archived
Hi there, I require some support with my Zigbee installation. My HA is operating as a VM on my unRAID server. Occasionally, due to high load, the VM appears to freeze and reboot, same thing happens when I restart the VM. Consequently, certain Zigbee switch lights activate, and fans deactivate, particularly at night in the room while we're sleeping. This is quite bothersome to my wife. Could anyone please advise me on how to address this issue?

upbeat ferry
frail crystal
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what's the proper way to migrate an installation of haos from a rpi4 to 5? i want to keep everything the same (integrations, configs, add-ons, custom integrations/addons, etc.) i tried looking for some info on the web and on the docs but i surprisingly couldn't find anything.

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yknow what i think ima just take a spare sd card and use it to see if a full backup will keep everything the same

grand pivot
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Do a full backup, copy it off the device, flash the new device, restore the backup

upbeat ferry
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Yeah, you're not really migrating HAOS, you're installing HAOS new and migrating HA.

acoustic epoch
frail crystal
runic heath
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Not sure if the correct channel. I am building a new house and got a quote for a "smart house knax" which is around 12K € for the basic stuff, with some sensors for light, door etc. The guy told me I need to setup this now as the infrastructure needs to happen now.. the thing is I didn't want to spend too much money on this right now I thought I could have the tubes to pull wires etc without the expensive stuff. Is he right? Should I spend this much money right now or is there something I can do to better prepare my house for smart one in the future ?

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When I look through home assistant, I also see a bunch of wifi from shely and sonoff that makes me wonder if I would be able easily in the future to just add these and automate the stuff I want to automate over the time ?

inner flume
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Greetings all, I'm having troubles installing my Home Assistant on a Raspberry pi B+, i'm in a boot loop. Last message i see is [ ok ] Found device /dev/zram2. Anyone has an idea?

humble mirage
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What model of Pi? What image did you flash to the SD card?

inner flume
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ow 3 b+ and just the one via the raspberry pi installer

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followed the guide

humble mirage
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And you're sure you picked the Pi3 image, and not the Pi4 (or Pi5, or Pi2) image?

inner flume
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Jup 100% sure

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and i just redid it with the etcher method

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and same problem

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I installed this image via etcher: haos_rpi3-64-12.3.img

humble mirage
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  1. How are you powering the Pi?
  2. Have you tried the HAOS 12.2 image?
  3. Have you tried a fresh SD card?
inner flume
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  1. With the adapter that was delivered with it
  2. No i'll try it, first time trying out HAOS, always had openhab running on it
  3. Nope, don't have a spare one around
humble mirage
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It could be a failing SD card then

inner flume
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It was running well on openhab, i'll try to put that back on it and see if that works. I see there is a haos_rpi3-12.2.img.xz and haos_rpi3-64-12.2.img.xz. Guessing the first one is 32 bit ? Should i try that one aswell?

humble mirage
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Yeah, try the first of those

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HAOS 12.3 has thrown up some odd problems, so it's worth a shot

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But SD cards fail, so there's also a good chance that HAOS is writing somewhere on your SD card that's failed

inner flume
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And whats min space needed?

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Oke, having a boot loop with openhab aswell, so strange. Guess i'll buy a new SD card

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Hmm i've read about using an SSD, is this better?

humble mirage
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32 GB is the min. SSD (on a powered hub) is better

wheat venture
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Anyone able to help me take docker compose backup files and migrate them to Home Assistant OS? I haven't been able to see a clear pathway yet. Thanks!

I've done the following:

  1. docker compose backup on my Home Assistant Container NAS
  2. Set up Home Assistant OS clean install on ODroid N2+ with 2 required addons (mosquitto & zigbee2mqtt for now)
  3. Ran backup on ODroid HAOS to compare docker compose backup and the HAOS backup
inner flume
humble mirage
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Same applies

humble mirage
wheat venture
humble mirage
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For HA Core take a backup, upload the backup to the new install

late sparrow
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Hello everyone. Is it possible to run a cpu benchmark on the pc running haos. I just want to run a test on 2 pcs and compare results

humble mirage
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You can just Google the model of CPU

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Or use a live boot

late sparrow
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There are not a massive amount of samples and it suggests that the one I expect to be slower is faster. so i thought i might just check myself.

late sparrow
humble mirage
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Sure

late sparrow
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would you have a suggestion for which one to use literally only for this purpose

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I'm new to linux

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I can try to figure the rest out I just dont know what linux distro to use

humble mirage
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Google it

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That's all I'd be doing

late sparrow
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sure 🙂

humble mirage
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CPU performance is a feature of many things, and "slower" CPUs (lower clock rate) can be faster than "faster" ones if the slower ones are newer, or have a better architecture

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A ~5 year old CPU design may be half the performance of a "slower" new CPU

late sparrow
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but new = better?

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or can = better

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I guess theres no point then 🤷‍♂️

empty bloom
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Just get a SFF pc, i3

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well, you don't even need an i3

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but SFF Pcs are pretty cheap and run well

late sparrow
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i have 2 sff pcs I'm trying to pick the best

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one is AMD E E1-2650 the other Intel Celeron 1017U

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does haos have any preferece for intel vs amd?

empty bloom
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no idea

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someone else might know

late sparrow
humble mirage
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Fuck me... two toasters

late sparrow
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lol I thought they seemed low scores

humble mirage
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You know that a Pi4 scores around the same as the Celeron?

late sparrow
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yeah wish i had one

humble mirage
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You're looking at two decade old CPUs, and low end ones at that

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If you're going for something that old you can't go for the bottom of the range

late sparrow
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damn. And the other sff i have thats faster wont post anymore 😢

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I understand - I will procure a better sff

empty bloom
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$85 when a new low end SFF is $130

median shale
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Why do you have so many old old computers?

late sparrow
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we have a a ton of pcs from old use in the family business

median shale
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Why don't you recycle them?

empty bloom
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I mean, you can use them for HA, but I wouldn't overload it with things

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maybe use it as an MQTT broker

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or some thing similiar.

late sparrow
median shale
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You're trying to reuse them, which is better than recycling until a point

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Those systems passed the point about ten years ago

weak sand
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Hi ! I've powered up my VM with home assistant on it, it's saying "Waiting for the Home Assistant CLI to be ready..." and then "[Warn] Home assistant CLI not starting ! Jump into emergency console...". I would assume I now need to type something but I don't know at all what he is asking me x) i've tried "ha core start" but it says "error response from daemon : No such container"; even "ha help" doesnt work...

raven forge
wheat venture