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loud hemlock
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so now my next option is to do, i guess, debian 12?

loud hemlock
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if not raspberry pi with HAOS, if not my APU2 with HAOS, whats the next best? im confused about all the different pieces that make up HA and if something is missing, i might miss some functionality

frank perch
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vm with HAOS ?

dusk niche
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Hey everybody! All of a sudden I can’t access my server at all from anywhere. Nabu casa can’t find the instance… neither can my iOS OR OSX app… and I cant even find it when I type in the server’s url — I’m so frustrated I think I’m just gonna wipe everything and start over. Any words of wisdom as to best practices of how to do that?

frank perch
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are you able to connect to a console?

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what's your install method

dusk niche
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I have a dell 3050 optiplex that I installed the HAOS onto directly

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I did the generic setup with the “write haos to boot medium” thing…

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Connect to console? Meaning do i have a monitor setup to the server? I do and everything looks normal! So frustrating

frank perch
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well if you ahve a keyboard and monitor

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are you able to see if the network info is correct?

dusk niche
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Yes. And it is

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Wait do you mean to confirm that the internal url is the same one im typing in?

frank perch
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what does the net info command say

dusk niche
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Lemme check

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Looks normal.

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What am I looking for?

frank perch
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you see connected: true and supervisor_internet: true?

dusk niche
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Oh!

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Connected is false

brazen herald
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And does it have a new IP address from your router vs the one you're using to connect?

frank perch
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if connected: false is there, check your network cable

dusk niche
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Supervisor internet is true

frank perch
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do you have more than one interface?

dusk niche
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I use the desktop app on Mac, and my iPhone app

frank perch
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under net info

dusk niche
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And I had just signed up for Nabu Casa when I stopped getting access

brazen herald
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Does the HA computer have wifi and ethernet?

frank perch
dusk niche
dusk niche
raven forge
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I feel like a screenshot/picture makes more sense

dusk niche
frank perch
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did you try the nabu casa link to get connected?

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it really seems like you're on wifi rn if one adapter says disconnected but the supervisor thinks it has internet

dusk niche
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Hmm. How do I turn the wifi off?

frank perch
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well do you have a network cable plugged in?

dusk niche
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I do

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Directly into the router

frank perch
dusk niche
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Yeah. Just says “connection failed: no response from instance”

frank perch
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well from the console you can type login and that should bring you to a # prompt where you can run nmcli radio all off

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that will turn off the wifi

dusk niche
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Sorry im a total dummy with these commands… so just type “login” and enter?

frank perch
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yes

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then the other command

dusk niche
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Great. So now there’s. #

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So I type “nmcli radio all off”

frank perch
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yes

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without the quotes

dusk niche
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Did it. There’s another # below it now

frank perch
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just means the command ran

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you can type exit to get back to the ha > prompt

dusk niche
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Oh great!

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Okay back to the prompt.

frank perch
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now what does net info say

brazen herald
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Are you 100% sure both ends of the ethernet cable are properly plugged in by the way? It sounds silly, but it's an easy mistake to make

dusk niche
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Connected: false enabled: false

frank perch
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supervisor_internet: ?

dusk niche
dusk niche
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What#s happening?? Haha ughhh

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Would a reboot help?

frank perch
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type login again

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then type ping 1.1.1.1

dusk niche
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Is there a space between the g and the 1?

frank perch
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yes

dusk niche
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Says: 1.1.1.1 is alive!

dusk niche
frank perch
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are you using SSL by chance?

dusk niche
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If I am it’s by accident

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I do remember messing with the https vs http settings on my computer before my server became inaccessible

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Is it possible that I messed something up??

frank perch
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when you say the http vs https setting do you mean in HA?

dusk niche
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Honestly I don’t remember. I was setting up Nabu casa at the time

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Probably not on the server tho. I don’t have enough know how to change that

frank perch
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do you have backups from before the nabu casa change?

dusk niche
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Yup!

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Tons of backups

frank perch
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well, ....

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at this point it's borked and weird

dusk niche
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Right

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Ugh. Im an idiot. I did it to myself

frank perch
dusk niche
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Should I just refladh my servers hd?

dusk niche
frank perch
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I've locked myself out numerous times in the last 4 years or so

dusk niche
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Haha im about a year in and this is my first time. I was proud of how much I had learned… until this lol

frank perch
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well this too will teach you

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😛

dusk niche
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Yup

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So what do you think? Just start again?

frank perch
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I mean you can troubleshoot it and maybe get it working

dusk niche
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Nah I’d rather just start fresh honestly

frank perch
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or... spend like 1 hour, have a beer while it restores

dusk niche
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Yeah exactly

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Last question

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Is there any reason I can’t just pull the hd and reflash it?

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Or do I need to wipe it first or anything?

frank perch
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as long as that's not where your backups live

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you can flash it

dusk niche
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Nope. They’re in a gdrive

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So it’ll just rewrite over it?

frank perch
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then dl the latest one to your pc, and restore it

frank perch
dusk niche
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Boom. Will do. Problem solved

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KrAzle, you are the BEST!!!!!

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I can’t thank you enough

frank perch
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don't say that, others will see

dusk niche
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Hahaha

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My bad

frank perch
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thank you is more than enough 😄

dusk niche
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Seriously. I appreciate this so much.

frank perch
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no worries, I'm procrastinating doing my automations

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LOL

dusk niche
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Happy to help lol

frank perch
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thank you 😛

dusk niche
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@brazen herald thanks for your help too!!

dusk niche
frank perch
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define fun, process not found

dusk niche
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Hahaha

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Fun when you’re finished I guess

frank perch
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well it's just to turn my hallway lights on when I get home after dark

dusk niche
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Not so much “fun” as “helpful” I suppose

frank perch
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if I was lazy I would set them to come on at dusk like the outside lights but I'm only a procrastinator, not lazy

dusk niche
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Hahhaa. Gotta do it right… at some point

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That should be the motto on your family crest

frank perch
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actually the family motto on the heraldry is "initiated, dedicated "

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I should add "but just not now"

versed fox
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is there a light weight install of HAOS for ubuntu? id like to use frigate and zwave and other add-ons.

I currently have a pi4 with HAOS but want to add frigate, so i think i need to move the install to my nuc

tender wren
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HAOS is an operating system. There is no HAOS for Ubuntu.

grand pivot
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unless you run it in a VM

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But there is no "lightweight HAOS install", there's just the official one

versed fox
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what kind of VM software works? and is it easy to manage? i guess thats what i want in being "lightweight"

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pi4 was easy, install and never have to do anything but click update

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maybe i should just use frigate on another machine and keep the pi4 as is

brazen herald
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What you are after is docker

tender wren
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There is also a Frigate add-on - endless options

versed fox
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ok it seems that frigate in docker on nuc and HAOS on pi4 will work

final socket
copper steppe
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I'm not sure I'd run frigate as an HA addon. Maybe cleaner / more reusable as a separate container or VM.

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(if it can even be an addon, that is)

final socket
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It can be but I know I've seen a few people recommend not running it that way.

quaint bolt
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You can run haos as a vm in kvm on ubuntu. or you can run home assistant as a docker container, and have frigate zwave etc as other docker containers, on ubuntu.

storm grove
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i can not connect my phone app to home assistant

empty bloom
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what have you tried

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Do you have remote access?

storm grove
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all url used in the app are invalid

empty bloom
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well that doesn't answer any of my questions

storm grove
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i dont have any acess

empty bloom
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and that still doesn't answer my questions

empty bloom
empty bloom
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be explicit when explaining what you tried. I.e. post the urls you've tried.

storm grove
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i am a new user i followed all the steps to install my home assistant but when i tried to connect home assistant with my phone using home assistant app , all url entries were invalid and not accepted

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c

empty bloom
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dude

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Answer my questions

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being a new user doesn't mean you can "not read"

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so read my questions, and answer them

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do not avoid them like you have been

storm grove
empty bloom
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And is your phone on the local network?

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and if not, do you have remote access?

storm grove
empty bloom
storm grove
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MY PHONE IS LOCAL YES

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I DONT HAVE A REMOTE ACESS

empty bloom
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If your phone is local, then your local address will be http://homeassistant.local:8123 or http://<yourip>:8123

empty bloom
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no, and stop using caps

storm grove
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i tried with my ip but not working

empty bloom
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do you have a screenshot of that url w/ ip in the application you're connecting with?

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use imgur or something similar to post images here

storm grove
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yes in french

empty bloom
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please post the screenshot then

storm grove
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i can not send screenshot, apparently i need permissions??

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but it is writen

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impossible to connect to home assistant

empty bloom
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lets go back a few messages and read what I said again

empty bloom
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Hmm, i wonder

storm grove
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sorry i am new user where

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ok itis coming

neon grove
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Where did you install Home Assistant and what does it show if you connect a screen to the device you installed on?

storm grove
empty bloom
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Ok, so you're using andriod, so you should check out the #android-archived for further help. It seems like a network issue because everything you're showing on screen appears to be correct assuming you're using the correct IP and you're connected to an SSID that has access to your home network.

storm grove
neon grove
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No not the App, where is your home assistant server installed?

storm grove
empty bloom
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how do you normally connect to HA?

storm grove
neon grove
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So attach a screen to the PI and see what it shows

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It is possible the PI has not finished setting up yet, or the image was not correct.

storm grove
empty bloom
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ok, so how do you know if the IP address is correct or if it's even done setting up?

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do you have a computer?

neon grove
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If it was a Pi 3 it will take ages.

storm grove
storm grove
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this was my adress

neon grove
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It might still be installing. Put a screen on the Pi or try it again in an hour, if you can not be bothered to plug it in.

empty bloom
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You should connect to your router and verify that it's at that IP address

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secondly, you should use a computer during initial setup or just a normal browser

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not the app

storm grove
empty bloom
storm grove
storm grove
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same probleme as my phone app

empty bloom
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what do you see at that URL?

storm grove
storm grove
storm grove
empty bloom
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You need to connect to your network

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That image is telling you that you aren’t connected to a network

storm grove
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i am connected to the network

neon grove
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You need to plug in a network cable on the PI it will not use Wifi

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At least not initally

storm grove
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i am using it to send you messages on discord

empty bloom
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Then HA is not at that IP

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Look on your router for HA

storm grove
storm grove
empty bloom
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Ok, then you have to find out what IP it’s at by looking at your router

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Usually that’s 192.168.1.1 but it varies depending on what router you own

storm grove
empty bloom
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Then your HA is not connected to your network

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Do you have an Ethernet cable connected to your pi and router?

storm grove
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yes of course a cable is connected between my HA and router

empty bloom
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Ok, then is an SD card inserted properly into your PI?

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and is the SD card flashed with HA?

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Also, is the PI powered on?

storm grove
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i used the sd card for the pi image , it is not inserted now

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the pi is powred

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and led lights flashing normaly

empty bloom
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turn off the pi, put the SD card in, and turn it on

storm grove
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OK

empty bloom
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it's going to take a bit to setup, so be patient

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I'd walk away for an hour and then try to log in via your desktop browser

storm grove
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ok thanks

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i really apreciate

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your help

empty bloom
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no problem

storm grove
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I have home assistant yellow with a selected pi4 8GB ram anD 32GB, Maybe i went on a wrong pi image !!!

empty bloom
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If you have a slow internet connection, it can take hours to set up

tender wren
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You either have a HA Yellow (no SD card slot - wrong install medium) or a Pi4 (if you used the Yellow image for that - it's wrong)

storm grove
tender wren
crimson furnace
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hmmm whats a normal amount of time for a restore to take 😬

tender wren
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Depends on the backup size and compute power

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Usually several cups of coffee

crimson furnace
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haha thats like 2 days for me 😄

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is there a way to check the restore progress by any chance?

tender wren
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Not that I'm aware of

empty bloom
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how big is your database?

crimson furnace
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The restore file was like 50mb.. but hear me out because this may have been a bad idea.

I did a backup yesterday, then took the drive out and put an old drive with a HA install from 6 months ago in, then ran the restore from the new file..

crimson furnace
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The silence is concerning. Haha.

empty bloom
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50mb is nothing

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my backups are 1 gig IIRC

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although I never run a normal backup

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er restore

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I just extract the files manually

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mine are 730mb

crimson furnace
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its been going for 30+ mins now, just stuck on connection lost

empty bloom
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look in your logs

crimson furnace
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cant, connection lost

empty bloom
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ssh or samba share...

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HA 101, give yourself access to the system when HA is not running

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i.e. ssh or samba share

crimson furnace
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for some reason I cant get in the config folder :/

empty bloom
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SSH will allow you to see the supervisor logs

crimson furnace
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but I can get in media/share/ssl/etc

empty bloom
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do you have ssh running?

crimson furnace
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to be honest - I'm not sure, I don't use it but its possible

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downloaded putty, put in the ip, port 22, and it fails with network error

so perhaps not

empty bloom
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then you might have to just wait

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or start over witha fresh install and then do a restore

crimson furnace
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okay, thanks for the help 🙂

crimson furnace
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by some miracle I just turned it off with the power button, turned it back on, and it worked and had restored correctly..

kindred fox
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Hey-hey i am still stuck at core 6.2 what can I do to update? I tried from ui and from terminal but nothing happends. Can you help me debug the issue?:)

flat swift
kindred fox
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I tried a few method:

  • from ui by clicking on the update button - from terminal add on by typing ha core update, and also teied —version 6.3 so update it only one version - i tried the same from ssh too just to make sure
grand pivot
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so.. HAOS?

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what is your installation method?

flat swift
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sounds like it. So for the update, you tried ha core update --version 2023.8.3?

grand pivot
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and if it doesn't work, it's probably DNS or a space issue

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or it's Supervised with a broken installation

kindred fox
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Yes it is haos, running on an rpi

kindred fox
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I have 400gb free so I dont think it is a space issue

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If it is dns how do I solve it?

raven forge
kindred fox
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What should I look for?

grand pivot
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something broken

kindred fox
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Okay cleared the log, pushed the update button.
This can cause an issue like a described?
Logger: homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection
Source: components/websocket_api/http.py:53
Integration: Home Assistant WebSocket API (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 20:16:58 (2 occurrences)
Last logged: 20:17:39

[547683556176] Disconnected: Did not receive auth message within 10 seconds
[547713479888] Disconnected: Did not receive auth message within 10 seconds

unborn aurora
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I have HAOS installed through Proxmox on a mini office PC. I thought I'd add other nodes but here I am a year later and still do everything through HAOS. I've been running into storage issues as I add media for my Plex server to the small SSD in the machine so I started thinking about other options. I'm pretty sure I could mount an external HDD for media to the PC through Proxmox, but I think it's only adding an extra level of complexity since I don't use Proxmox for anything else. If I wipe the drive and start again with just HAOS, is it as simple as plugging in the USB HDD to access my media? Ideally I'd have the internal SSD for just HAOS, and then the external HDD plugged into the machine for media.

frank perch
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you won't be able to use the plugged in drive

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network mounts are the way.

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install the harddrive in proxmox, share it, mount it in HAOS

heavy thunder
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when it says it may take 20 minutes, on a pi 3, it is no joke

frank perch
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no, that's the joke.... it will take much longer than that

heavy thunder
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couldn't get the networking right in kvm/host interfaces, so I thought id get one of the pi 3's out of storage.... ooof

frank perch
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Grab a snickers

heavy thunder
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40 minutes, and i grabed a beer

brave garnet
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Hi I'm trying to install the Esphome into my home assistant, in google / esphome webpage etc their guides are different. They have add-ons where as i dont have that in my docker container run home assistant instance. The only way I could find to install esp home is through integrations, and it asks an ip address and a port ? Am I supposed to put home assistants ip address? since thats where i'm trying to install the esp home ?

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hmm even if i do that it says :Can't connect to ESP. Please make sure your YAML file contains an 'api:' line. ....

raven forge
brave garnet
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ok then me goes to install that docker 🙂 will be back 🙂

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oops, just remembered my home assistant is actually running on host to be able to reach all the devices in the house network. Now that i will have to add an ESPhome to that stack, it will also be on host. Does ESPhome container need network access or is it just to aid home assistant ? does it only need to speak with Ha ?

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hmm it even wants prievilaged

raven forge
brave garnet
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Awesome, just a follow up question ; I got it working. (ESPhome in docker at host, and accessed it via its exposed port web interface. Now i realised that we can actually flash devices straight from the web browser ! Anywhere in home any device! Thats so good. But IT have a specific note saying : Connect the ESP32 or ESP8266 to your computer and click on connect to start managing your device. | Does this mean that i can't flash my nucleo 144 stm32 boards ? Or is it going to be a trouble if i do so : (

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Just trying to understand if I should wait a few days more to get my ordered ESP devices rather than messing this nucleo 144 ?

manic bane
brave garnet
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I'm using portainer, for now i'm ok with it. I can write those yaml files and mostly it works. Also its a synology server so for docker compose just dont wanna leave ssh open and log in every time

manic bane
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Unless you mean going into edit the files, in which case, doesn't really matter

brave garnet
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🙂 Ok I will learn more docker compose but thats for another weekend haha 🙂 Just curious i asked Impact but hes probably busy, how do we install HACS on home assistant where we run HA from a docker container ? Previously he advised to install ESPhome from docker container which worked. But now i want that local tuya HACS integration

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Do I need to install a docker called HA HACS or something like in a similar fashion ?

grand pivot
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By following the installation instructions. There's a container section

brave garnet
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oops I found it 🙂 Just needed to authorise my github ! thanks

raven forge
brave garnet
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sorry, i must have not seen it , was dashing through my weekend adventure 🙂

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thanks for the advices!

worthy delta
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anyone having any suggestions for issues with hassio_dns, im running home assistant os and have been trying to get it worked out. I was moving my installation from a vm to a sff workstation. I tried multiple times to start it using docker start but it keeps shutting down.

raven forge
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Check its logs via docker logs ...

worthy delta
kindred fox
kindred fox
zealous magnet
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After my SSD failed, I installed a new one in my NUC. I installed HA and then restored the backup.

I've restarted HA several times (full restart). However, I still have several devices that can't be loaded properly. gardena_smart_system, pyscript, tesla_custom, bosch, easee, miele cannot be loaded. Some other devices can't be initialized correctly, e.g., solar Forecast, google Nest. Has anyone had the same problem or any ideas?
Other devices and integration work fine (for example ZHA).

Has anyone had any ideas or experienced the same problem?

spiral stag
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hi. I'm having a lot of issues with my HA installation in my Rpi4. I can access the web interface but I can't access a lot of options. At the moment I just want to try to create a backup before I format everything but I can't access that option in the web interface. I get the error that I need to restart supervisor. When I first restart the pi, if I go to homeassistant.local:4357, I can see "Supervisor: Connected, Supported and Healthy". On top of this, it seems that my ssh port is not accessible and I don't have a micro hdmi port. Is there anything that I can do to enter the command line in any other way?

fallen lichen
zealous magnet
# fallen lichen You'll have to post logs explaining the failures to determine what's going on

Protokolldetails (FEHLER)
Logger: homeassistant.setup
Source: setup.py:209
First occurred: 13:37:43 (5 occurrences)
Last logged: 13:55:13

Setup failed for custom integration tesla_custom: Requirements for tesla_custom not found: ['teslajsonpy==3.9.2'].
Setup failed for custom integration gardena_smart_system: Requirements for gardena_smart_system not found: ['py-smart-gardena==1.3.7'].
Setup failed for custom integration pyscript: Requirements for pyscript not found: ['croniter==1.3.8'].
Setup failed for custom integration easee: Requirements for easee not found: ['pyeasee==0.7.53'].
Setup failed for custom integration bosch: Requirements for bosch not found: ['bosch-thermostat-client==0.23.2'].

zealous magnet
neon grove
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What release of HA do you have installed? The Bosch one for example needs 2023.7 as a minimum.

echo umbra
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Hello I have a Home Assitant Blue and I am just now getting around to setting it up. I get an error in the supervisor log about the docker image can someone help me please

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is there a way to flash it with the latest OS

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I am sure it is out of date

raven forge
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Same way you installed it

echo umbra
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I bought the Blue with it pre installed I thought

raven forge
tender wren
echo umbra
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what file should I download to flash it with

tender wren
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It is stated in the documentation

subtle stag
tender wren
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Sounds like a networking and/or DNS problem in your setting

frank perch
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./dnshaiku

humble mirage
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Not that any of that is installation related

subtle stag
subtle stag
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But yes - i am pretty sure this is all linked to a DNS / firewall issue

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the strange thing is that the setup is the same as my other HA which works just fine

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Any thing I should check specifically ?

pulsar timber
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Hi , I have a problem, my home assistant server is on a raspberry pi 3 and when I start it ,it restarts in a loop.
Can you help me please ?

raven forge
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Can you connect a monitor and check what it displays?

pulsar timber
humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

zealous magnet
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nslookup times out

pulsar timber
humble mirage
raven forge
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Yeah I can't read 💩

humble mirage
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Could be a bad flash

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Could be dead SD

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Could be ... almost anything really

pulsar timber
brittle sail
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ooh fun filesystem errors

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do you want the good news or bad news?

pulsar timber
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Bad news

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😨

brittle sail
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bad news is shit's fucked (technical term) most likely

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good news is you can restore from backup to another sd card.. but that assumes you have backups downloaded off the device

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which you do, right?

pulsar timber
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How i can know if i have backups downloaded off the device

humble mirage
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Well.... if you have to ask the answer isn't likely to be good

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Did you ever set up anything? Any add-on to do that for you?

pulsar timber
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On home assistant I checked the box to make a backup before the updates but that's all I think

tender wren
pulsar timber
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do you know what is the source of the problem?

tender wren
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Backups don't help, if the system they are on dies

raven forge
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It's possible only some parts of the data is corrupt. Worth a try to plug the card into another machine and check

pulsar timber
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And how i recover uncorrupted parts?

raven forge
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I'd plug the SD card in a card reader and plug that into the PC. You need something that can work with ext4 to read it though

pulsar timber
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Ok thank's and what did I do wrong to get this? So that I don't repeat the error

zealous magnet
humble mirage
#

Pi's eat SD cards

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What you did wrong was to use one

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An endurance or dashcam card lasts longer

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An SSD (on a powered USB hub) lasts even longer 😉

zealous magnet
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I've drilled down my issue after the new install (new SSD) and after the backup to an DNS issue ➜ /config ping 8.8.8.8
PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=114 time=36.3 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=114 time=30.7 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=114 time=42.1 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=114 time=27.8 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=5 ttl=114 time=23.8 ms
^C
--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4004ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 23.752/32.128/42.057/6.425 ms
➜ /config ping www.google.com
ping: www.google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution
➜ /config

frank perch
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./dnshaiku

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it's not DNS.
there's no way it was DNS.
it was DNS.

tender wren
frank perch
#

ever since in-addr.arpa

zealous magnet
humble mirage
frank perch
#

I make jokes.
but really my soul cries.
DNS hurts me.

zealous magnet
#

Can you explain why disabling the fallback would solve the issue? "ha dns options --fallback=false"

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I'm trying to understand the issue but neither the website nor on the forum I could find proper information

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And I still do not understand why this issue popup after restoring a full backup

tender wren
#

Did you have something like AdGuard Home on your HA and everything was pointed to it?

zealous magnet
#

Is there something missing from the backup restore process I'Ve overlooked?

zealous magnet
#

all from the current week. Is there something going on?

tender wren
#

Have you rebooted the host after restoring the backup?

rough halo
#

Hello every1, want to order the HA Yellow, but saw that it doens't have any CM4 module, for sure that needs to be bouth separate, also do i need to buy a ventilator? and how does the software is installed or is already installed even without the CM4 module? 10x in advance

tender wren
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For the variants without CM4 (called Kit) you need to buy one yourself. No fan needed. The software is usually installed with an installer USB stick you need to create. That writes the OS to the eMMC of the CM4 (if it has some) or the NVMe (for lite variants and when forced to do so). Nothing is installed without the CM4.

brittle sail
tender wren
#

If you buy the variant with preinstalled CM4 (the 2GB RAM, 16GB eMMC variant - called Standard), the OS will be preinstalled

rough halo
brittle sail
#

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 link i've shared previously for an $80 mini pc "m910q" there are many variants on ebay for reasonable prices with 8gb ram or higher and 128gb ssd/nvme or bigger

rough halo
tender wren
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That is no HA Yellow

rough halo
#

no but is the missing CM4 that i need to install, right?

tender wren
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No

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That is a Raspberry Pi 4

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The Yellow needs a Compute Module 4

rough halo
tender wren
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No

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That is an IO board for a CM4

rough halo
#

ok, can you please share exactly with it needs for the Yellow?

tender wren
rough halo
#

so... it would be better to have the computer than the yellow... keeping in mind that CM4 is shortage, right?

tender wren
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As much as I personally like my Yellow, you get much more performance with a mini PC

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And they are widely available

rough halo
tender wren
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That's correct

copper steppe
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Or an off-pc coordinator

zealous magnet
pulsar timber
#

Hi, I have a question, to install home assistant is it better to do it on a rasbpberry or an old PC ?

rough halo
shadow zealot
#

Crashed no, after 7 days! I can ping the Raspi, but won't be able to ssh into HA.

pulsar timber
sleek dove
#

Hi, I want HA for my smart home and want to know what’s the best hardware

tender wren
sleek dove
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Ok

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Thanks

humble scaffoldBOT
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@placid sage I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
humble mirage
#

You need to be on Python 3.11(.4) to update HA past 2023.7

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You'll want to install that and try again with a fresh venv

placid sage
#

Even if I try to update to any higher Home Assistant version it fails. I tried different versions lower than 2023.7

humble mirage
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You need to be on Python 3.11(.4)

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You're on 3.10

smoky mauve
#

Installing Home Assistant on Proxmox question, maybe simple.

placid sage
#

Any Chance to update to Version 2023.7 or lower with python 3.10?

manic bane
humble mirage
kindred fox
frank perch
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did you try with it disabled?

humble mirage
winter fossil
#

Hello, I'm stuck at preparing for an hour haos_ova-10.5.qcow2 Observer shows everything green. I'm using openmediavault if it matters

frank perch
humble mirage
#

The blue dot gets you logs

winter fossil
winter fossil
# humble mirage The blue dot gets you logs 
[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2023.8.3: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.42/images/create?tag=2023.8.3&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fqemux86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": dial tcp: lookup ghcr.io: no such host")
23-08-21 10:29:20 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec
23-08-21 10:29:50 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2023.8.3
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But i don't see any requests from haos in adguard home

humble mirage
#

dial tcp: lookup ghcr.io: no such host

#

Search this channel for ha dns and you should get some guidance

frank perch
#

It's not DNS.
It can't be DNS.
It was DNS.

kindred fox
#

https://pastebin.com/Gm53m4GY

This is how dns issue looks like? 😄
core 2023.6.3 didn't starts, also like esphome.
however I was able to update the OS to 10.5 which come out this weekend.
What could be wrong on my side?

low notch
#

Totally possible dns

kindred fox
#

i see. how can I solve it?

frank perch
#

Disable dns fallback and try setting another dns server

pulsar timber
#

Hi,can i use a 2.5 inch ssd with my raspberry?

empty bloom
#

I'm 85% sure you can, I believe there's a community guide about it

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on the forums

pulsar timber
#

OK thanks

gentle drift
#

Huh. TIL that the containerized version of HA is missing a lot of important functionality.

humble mirage
#

Not really, no

#

Add-ons are hardly important functionality - pretty much anything there's an add-on for there's a container (or other way of running) for

kindred fox
frank perch
#

you set a static ip ?

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or using DHCP from the router

kindred fox
#

and I have a wireguard set up also, thats how a I reach the server from outside of the network

frank perch
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you can change the dns on that link ^^

kindred fox
#

what should I change it to?

frank perch
#

you could try 8.8.8.8 or 9.9.9.9

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dns fallback is to cloudlfare but I See you have that disabled

kindred fox
#

yes I disabled it that was your recommendation. But it was enabled and didnt helped

kindred fox
frank perch
#

under Configure network interfaces

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IPv4

kindred fox
frank perch
#

I Would remove the 192.168.x.x entries

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as clearly they aren't working for you right now

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so remove them to test

kindred fox
#

Well, I am not close to the HA server right now, and I am afraid that I mess up the wireguard.

frank perch
#

well, it's the next step

gentle drift
#

So, I didn't even know addons existed until today, because everything related to them is missing from the container UI
It's true that in principle I could set up addons myself, but that is a lot of work and research for each one, since the HA documentation assumes you're using HAOS and whatever daemons the addon is based on don't care about HA in the first place (or, to the extent they do, also assume you're using HAOS and not configuring everything by hand)
So at that point, it's probably easier long-term to figure out how to boot HAOS in a vm on my server and use that, vs. hand-configuring every single addon I might want

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(Although I'm not very happy having HA running in what is effectively a black box, and backing it up is going to suck, but it seems that it's very much not designed to just run as a self-contained daemon on a larger system)

kindred fox
humble mirage
kindred fox
winter fossil
frank perch
#

well some users isp's block DNS that's not to their servers, so try your ISP's DNS and did you try ha dns options --fallback=false ?

#

because when HA can't reach the configured DNS it tries 1.1.1.1

rare hill
gentle drift
#

If I had a spare sbc with more beef than a raspi I'd run it on that, yeah

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But here we've got one central server + a bunch of rpi2/3s

heady creek
#

Hey, I'm trying to install HA OS on a NUC, on an SSD that previously had Proxmox installed on. I want to install HA OS directly without Proxmox.
When I try to do it with Balena Etcher through Ubuntu (booted from USB), it fails, says "target ebusy resource busy or locked". Also when I try to wipe the partition through Ubuntu utility disk, I get an error.
How can this be solved?

rare hill
#

HAOS in a VM will still minimize your efforts and intrinsically have the things you miss (about the same reasons I use HAOS). VM vs baremetal is same pros/cons for HA as w/other apps, so you should have success as sounds like you understand VM configs w/apps (e.g. accessing devices).

gentle drift
# rare hill HAOS in a VM will still minimize your efforts and intrinsically have the things ...

Yeah, I think the main thing giving me pause here is that I've never used libvirtd management tools -- qemu for one-off things, virtualbox for local stuff on occasion years back, but that's it. So there is a certain degree of straightforward appeal in burning haos to a USB or SD card, slapping it into an SBC, powering it up, and waiting for it to respond to ssh. Especially since it looks like I'm going to have to interact with virtd rather than just telling nixos what I want and letting it happen like I can with docker. Oh well.
None of this is urgent, so I may see if I can scavenge up a pi4 or a cheap off-brand SBC first before digging into virtd administration.

pallid star
#

Yooo. Please help

So I'm so tired of virtualbox and my USBs getting disconnected once a day at random times.

If I move to Proxmox, am I basically starting from scratch with all my automations and devices?

grand pivot
#

no, you should make a backup and restore it

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you won't lose anything

winter fossil
frank perch
#

what does net info say

winter fossil
frank perch
#

that says your DNS server is 172.16.0.10

winter fossil
#

then what ha dns options --servers dns://1.1.1.1 does?

pallid star
frank perch
#

from like 3 years ago

winter fossil
#

lol

frank perch
#

go there and set your DNS

winter fossil
#

why is it a thing

frank perch
#

what old information?

winter fossil
#

why people tell me to use it

frank perch
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because people don't know

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this is why I don't like youtube guides

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when they are outdated and people don't research to see if they are still valid 😛

winter fossil
#

even "Mod" lmao

frank perch
#

he didn't tell you to use that command tho

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he told you what to search for to find the answer 😛

winter fossil
frank perch
#

that's not true

young pollen
#

Hello guys,

I am using Control4 with KNX in my home. But I've installed UPS and its parameters are being read via Modbus. Is there any way to integrate the Home Assistant in the Control4 for the visualisation? Is there any way?

Thanks!

winter fossil
frank perch
#

so what are those?

#

if not 'other' ha dns commands

frank perch
#

there's 43 more results if you need me to point them out to you one by one

winter fossil
raven forge
winter fossil
inland barn
#

I've recently got a home assistant yellow. I just accepted and installed an update that popped up and after a restart its now showing the onboarding screen again. This happened once previously after restarting the yellow, but I didn't think much of it as I hadn't done much setup. I am able to restore from a backup, but I'd rather solve the problem if there is one.

rare hill
# gentle drift Yeah, I think the main thing giving me pause here is that I've never used libvir...

there is a certain degree of straightforward appeal in burning haos to a USB or SD card, slapping it into an SBC, powering it up
yes, my "make it an appliance" desire for this was high (having spent enormous amounts of tinker time on other apps in the past... wanting to avoid again). dedicated box, no interference has helped.

waiting for it to respond to ssh
i almost never use console for HA, almost always UI only. Except for some issues diagnosis and solving, it's been nice being "more of a user" for once instead of feeling like "part of the product"! lol HA error handling still needs work, but overall it works decently.

tender wren
inland barn
tender wren
#

It ususlly makes a satisfying click. Don't push with brute force, but it might need a bit to overcome the resistance

inland barn
tender wren
inland barn
#

@tender wren Am I right that there's no way to recover the installation now (apart from a backup)?

tender wren
inland barn
tender wren
#

It's not reinstalling the OS. But if it survives a reboot (not just a restart) without going back to onboarding, it should be fine.

frank perch
#

no it's not quite the same as a reinstall

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but I'd get those backups to a safe place JIC

inland barn
#

that's what saved me just now as well

frank perch
#

das ist gut.

gentle drift
#

(web UIs often don't expose that anyways, so)

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(HA certainly doesn't, but maybe that's another thing that's excised from the non-HAOS version)

waxen crystal
#

I'm having some DNS issues also.. but it seems like my issue is that the DNS container wont run. It crashes with an error log of:
panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference [signal SIGSEGV: segmentation violation code=0x1 addr=0x17 pc=0xc00057] goroutine 1 [running]: gopkg.in/DataDog/dd-trace-go.v1/ddtrace/tracer.(*span).setTagError(0x136bf00, 0x7, 0x0, 0x7) /go/pkg/mod/gopkg.in/!data!dog/dd-trace-go.v1@v1.28.0/ddtrace/tracer/span.go:131 +0x57 [11:16:17] WARNING: Halt DNS plug-in with exit code 2

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I have tried pulling a new package from ghcr.io, but it hasnt had any effect

worldly charm
#

Hi, I have a problem with USB Passthrough and proxmox. I bought a pre-configured dell wyse terminal with proxmox and home assistant virtualization installed and separately a zigbee module. The proxmox is standing on a static IP address of 192.168.1.25 and my router's range is 192.168.0.253. I'm wondering if anyone may have had experience with proxmox and changing the static IP address or if I will be able to set up USB Passthrough or change the IP address so that I can remotely change the settings after connecting a keyboard and monitor to the terminal. Alternatively does anyone have any ideas for another solution?

manic bane
#

You don't need to pass through anything for proxmox itself

winter fossil
#

how to change locals dns, because haos doesn't want to use configured servers nor use fallback?

analog owl
#

Hi all. I'm looking to install Home Assistant using the Docker container. The installation guide seems to insist on host networking and privileged mode.

Are both of these mandatory? I'd prefer to run it on a bridge network with no exposed ports, with an Nginx reverse proxy managing the frontend access.

low notch
#

you will lose discovery features and maybe experience trouble with certain integrations but you can do it if you want

analog owl
low notch
#

yes

analog owl
#

Okay, thanks. I'll see how it goes. I already have my ESPhome running in a container, for that I use an mDNS relay which seems to work well. I could reuse that for HA too if too much breaks.

low notch
#

That is a bad idea because these reflectors often times do more harm but you can try

humble mirage
#

Also if you ever plan to use Matter or Thread you'll run into problems

analog owl
#

Doesn't Home Assistant OS use an mDNS repeater under the hood though?

astral mantle
#

I set myself up with the DuckDNS add-on with a Let's Encrypt cert, and I can visit https://mydomain.duckdns.org:8123 from the browser and it works just fine

but when I plug that into the Android app I just get a black screen on the app, it doesn't even pop up an error anymore letting me change the server url

I can visit the site on the phone browser just fine

what am I missing here?

#

okay bad data apparently I am missing something... I can visit https://<box IP>:8123 in the browser but https://mydomain.duckdns.org:8123 gives me connection timed out

#

likewise on the PC, the duckdns url times out

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so I spose it's off to the router to investigate that NAT loopback is enabled

#

alternately I could override internal DNS

empty bloom
#

that means you didn't set up duck dns properly

#

if you use duck dns, you should only have access to your domain name, not your IP

#

unless you set up nginx

#

Also, the duckdns addon manages your cert

#

So you don’t need the letsencrpt addon

frank perch
astral mantle
empty bloom
#

did you do port forwarding?

astral mantle
#

I haven't yet, I've been working entirely inside

#

let me poke a port forward

empty bloom
#

you need portforwarding

#

443 external to 8123 internal

astral mantle
#

I spose I would, even with NAT loopback

empty bloom
#

pretty sure it's covered in the installation procedure

astral mantle
#

if it is, I totally missed it

#

but that seems to work

empty bloom
#

if you add nginx, you can use internal IP & extenral url

#

that requries 443 to 443

astral mantle
empty bloom
#

yep

astral mantle
#

well let's see if the android app is any happier

empty bloom
#

also, you could try a croudflare tunnel avoid avoid this all togther

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but it has limitations, i.e. you'll be banned from croudflare if you stream video

astral mantle
#

solved

#

no worries, my home network is built business-style with Arista UTM and UniFi throughout

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so I'm not really feature-limited like a home user router

empty bloom
#

I was just pointing out that it's against croudflare tunnel TOS to stream video

astral mantle
#

good point

empty bloom
#

so if you don't want to port forward, but you want access, you can use a croudflare tunnel

#

or you could pay for nabucasa too

astral mantle
#

if i wanted to do the tunnel thing with video streaming I'd just set up an exit endpoint on a DO droplet and do it myself 😄

dire parrot
#

Has anyone installed HA on a raspberry pi kubernetes cluster? Should be pretty straight forward, my largest concern however is my conbee II usb device....

humble mirage
#

Well... don't use that 😉

#

Use a network connected coordinator

dire parrot
#

Sup Tink

#

whats is that?

humble mirage
#

A coordinator that's connected over the network, rather than USB

dire parrot
#

a zigbee coordinator?

humble mirage
#

Well, that's what your ConBee is

#

So... of course

dire parrot
#

hmm interesting

#

never heard of that

#

is it a device?

humble mirage
#

Well... of course?

dire parrot
#

can I turn another rasp pi into one?

humble mirage
#

With skill, yes

dire parrot
humble mirage
#

Buy

dire parrot
#

aww snap

#

so pie cluster aside..

#

are there advantages to these?

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vs a usb stick?

#

ill move this convo

humble mirage
#

They're away from all the RF noise of your Pi

dire parrot
#

Dannnnnnggggg

#

Alright back to HA installed on a pi cluster... probably wont see any kind of performance ganins. Really just redundancy I can count on?

humble mirage
#

Yes, assuming you've got the file system failover handled

dire parrot
#

Dont know the exact wording.. but currently have had HA running on its own PI 4 for years.

Will it run worse or will I lose anything by running in a container vs being the only software on the device

unique remnant
#

I have a question. I'm trying to install homeassistant on my raspberry pi 3. But i got an error. WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'updater.fetch_data' blocked from execution, no supervisor internet connection. Somebody knows what the problem is and how i can solve it? Im new to this so i have clue

frank perch
#

are you able to get to the console?

winter fossil
frank perch
unique remnant
frank perch
#

you have a raspberry pi3 right?

#

plug in a monitor and keyboard, done.

unique remnant
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Ah okay

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And then?

raven forge
#

Enter network info and supervisor logs and show us the results

humble mirage
#

Dont know the exact wording but

unique remnant
#

Well i have connected a keyboard to it but cannot type

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I have connected it to another ethernet cable and now i doesn't give me an error on the supervisor

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So i think i have to wait now for 20 minutes or so

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Well it works now. I will just keep it on this cable

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Thanks for helping

frank perch
#

sorry got distracted

dire parrot
#

Sometime this week will be migrating from HAOS to a container version of HA.

#

Will HAOS backups help at all? Cause issues?

humble mirage
#

You can manually extract the contents for HA (Core) from the backup

dire parrot
#

So that will be some sort of option when I go to upload the backup?

humble mirage
#

No

#

No restore for Container

#

You have to do that manually

dire parrot
#

or something i need to do before I expose the backup file to HA (Core)

humble mirage
#

manually extract the contents

#

The backup is a zip

#

Unzip it and you'll get a bunch of .tar.gz

#

One is for HA

#

Extract that to your chosen location

#

And then set up backups

dire parrot
#

So you mean like manually backup any .config files

humble mirage
#

Well, by manually you mean automatically outside of HA

dire parrot
#

automations..

#

so on

humble mirage
#

The entire config folder

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As one

dire parrot
#

ok

humble mirage
#

And your Docker config

dire parrot
#

then just copy/paste when im starting over with HA core

humble mirage
#

Well, no

#

Restore

#

This is going to end badly for you

dire parrot
#

haha

#

i mean realistically automations, scripts and config is the largest thing

humble mirage
#

You have no idea...

dire parrot
#

I will have to rebuild my zigbee devices

humble mirage
#

And you set up backups of your config folder to get all of that, and more

dire parrot
#

Alright im able to download my entire config folder now

#

once booting up HA core, I will be able to restore from that? Or most things?

humble mirage
#

Same as when you asked up there... no

#

Only HAOS has restores

#

You have to do this manually

#

Can I suggest you reconsider this until you know what you're doing?

#

Set up a test host with Docker, learn how to back up and restore

#

Practice ...

dire parrot
#

Leeroyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

humble mirage
#

Learn how to do DR

dire parrot
#

Saved an entire copy of:
addons
backup
config
media
share
ssl

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that should cover me

#

I also just run to enstences of HA till if get everthing swapped over

normal cedar
#

Hi, anyone experiance with running Fedora Linux 38 with KVM and trying to get a HaOS VM running? I cant seem to get the networking running.

hard fable
#

can you try any other os?

#

for the VM

normal cedar
#

I using Generic Linux as OS for the VM

hard fable
#

i meant, like ubuntu

normal cedar
#

Fedora Linux 38 is the OS KVM is ruuning on

hard fable
#

or something other than ha os

normal cedar
#

Yes, i did. Then it just doesnt boot

hard fable
#

just to clarify, the VM does not boot?

normal cedar
hard fable
#

yes, and i was suggesting to try ubuntu or debian as the VM

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to make sure it is not home assistant that is casusing the problem

normal cedar
#

thanks, ill keep googling

#

I tried that already

hard fable
#

and did the VM have a network with a different os?

#

if not then you might want to check your host. Maybe the KVM bridge is not setup correctly.

normal cedar
#

It was rmmod br_netfilter for the bridge settings i guess

#

Weird af

#

Never seen that before..

hard fable
#

any specific reason for fedora?

#

if not then there are other distros out there like proxmox which have a reliable virtualization platform

#

fromthe screenshot i can see that the VM does have a interface assigned to it. I can only guess that the kernel module for the linux bridge is not configured properly.

#

it could be that the bridge does not have your primary interface as one of it's members

#

in which case there would be no IP address.

normal cedar
#

And it worked

turbid pilot
#

Would I be wrong for thinking Home Assistant Core should match what is shows for supervisor version?
https://imgur.com/sVtXAhO

raven forge
turbid pilot
#

Yeah, I need to stop looking at a computer screen for the day lol

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Thank you 🙂

mellow torrent
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Hi, I would like to install HA supervised on an old atlon based mini-laptop for a proof of concept. I am following this guide: https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer. I Installed Debian 12 from netinstaller over ethernet (not WiFi). All goes well up to the point where I have to manually install udisk2 in step 1. The other programs install fine but udisk2 says (translated from Dutch): 'Cannot find package udisk2'. I have very limited knowledge of linux but I can follow orders 😉 Any hints are welkome!

placid burrow
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udisks2 not udisk2, by the looks

mellow torrent
placid burrow
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Assumed it was just a typo 🙂 Easy one to make

mellow torrent
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Unfortunately I still get lots of errors on several files: Temperory failure while searching 'deb.debian.org'. (again, translated from Dutch, mamybe the english phrase would be slightly different)

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Apt-get update is suggested, but doesn't help a bit, and 'apt-get --fix-missing'' shows me the same errors.

placid burrow
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Ok, networking top to bottom:

  • ip a to see if you have an IP address
  • ip r to check for a default route (default via x.y.z.w line)
  • cat /etc/resolv.conf to make sure you have at least one DNS server (nameserver x.y.z.w)
mellow torrent
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ip a show among others: enp1so .... state up and my internal ip for thais machine. ip r also shows a bunch of stuff like the machine ip again and 192.254.0.0/16 scope link metric 1000

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and 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp1s0 proto kernal scope link src mu-ip

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cat /etc/resolv.conf shows : nameserver 127.0.0.53 ; options edns0 trust-ad ; search .

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nothing more.

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I see I can ping 8.8.8.8 but I cannot ping google.nl. So I guess there is a dns-problem?

placid burrow
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Oh good, it's my old friend systemd-resolved. Try replacing what's in resolv.conf just with nameserver 8.8.8.8 and see if you get any further

mellow torrent
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I did: nano /etc/resolv.conf. Th file holds my gateway IP. I replaced it with 8.8.8 as you said. Should I reboot? Tight now it doesn't help...

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Reboot didn't help either. I find it strange that I have a dns-problem while the other packages were installing fine!

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And I can browse to the requested files with my other computer too, so they are on that server...

placid burrow
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I'm rapidly running out of easy guesses and quick hacks, sorry. It's also midnight where I am so afraid I'm also going to have to try and sleep at some point

low notch
mellow torrent
mellow torrent
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changed it back again, checked the four numbers, same result.

vale merlin
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Hello everyone yesterday i tried home assistant supervised install on an old netbook with debian 12. I folowed the official installation on github and I install it successfully. When I go to the url it is showing preparing home assistant and when I click to view the log I have this error : 23-08-23 16:29:49 ERROR (MainThread)
[supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install
ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-
homeassistant:2023.8.3: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.43/images/create?
tag=2023.8.3&fromImage-ghcr. i0%2Fhome-homeassistant&platform-linux%2Famd64: Internal Server
Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": dial tcp
140.82.121.33:443: connect: no route to host")
23-08-23 16:29:49 WARNING (MainThread)
[supervisor.homeassistant.corel Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec. Plz help me I tried to solve this 2 hours I am a beginner on Linux

frank perch
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is there a reason you went with the most difficult install method ?

empty bloom
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probably because it's an old notebook

vale merlin
vale merlin
empty bloom
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then use HAOS

frank perch
empty bloom
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Don't go supervised, espeically if you don't know linux

vale merlin
frank perch
empty bloom
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ah ok

vale merlin
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Is there a solution to convert ufei iso to legacy bios

empty bloom
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not sure, outside my expertise

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you might need to make a forum post about this

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although a wiz is about to respond

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or not?

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or yes, he's typing again

crude inlet
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Athlon was mentioned. Is this from like 2010?

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lol no wiz here

frank perch
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you can run a VM without uefi

vale merlin
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No it,s not me the my cpu is the intel atom n150

crude inlet
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oh atom

frank perch
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runs for the hills

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atom, the rpi of x86 cpu's

vale merlin
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It,s the most horrible cpu

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That I see

crude inlet
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I thought I saw athlon when I was on my phone earlier and my first thought was that I hadn't even seen that word in a long time.

frank perch
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amd64 you saw

vale merlin
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Yes but it,s same as x86_64

crude inlet
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you don't have anything laying around from 5 years ago instead? 🙂

frank perch
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the CPU in my box is from 07 cogneato 😛

crude inlet
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If you're having probs getting linux on it there will be more problems down the line.

vale merlin
frank perch
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but it's a core2quad

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so it's a beefy POS

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😛

tender wren
vagrant shadow
sage kestrel
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Hi there! I´ve been stuggeling with HA peaking on 100% CPU. I run HA OS in a VM on a Synology NAS (.ova), and I havedone a fresh install, putting back my backup twice with seemingly no effect. I don´t find what´s causing this, and started to disable Integations. No luck so far.

empty bloom
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frigate?

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what about your database running out of space?

sage kestrel
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Had it installed before, thin I´ve removed all of it...

astral mantle
sage kestrel
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220+

empty bloom
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j series has like 1gb ram I thought

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that barely runs my synology itself 🤣

astral mantle
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yeah our j series is a joke

sage kestrel
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Have allocated 2 CPU´s and 2 Gb RAM for the VM

astral mantle
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the 220+ isn't much better, it's got a 2-core Celeron J4025 at 2.9GHz and 2GB system RAM

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probably not enough brainz for the project @sage kestrel

astral mantle
sage kestrel
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It´s a DS 220+

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Upgraded to 6 Gb RAM

astral mantle
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oh okay, well you're still giving it ALL the processor

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all that beefy Celeron goodness we've come to expect from 2019

empty bloom
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synology changed their OS a while back too which make it more power hungry

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at least for my system

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IIRC I've got a 216J?

astral mantle
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I have not been impressed by Synology lately

sage kestrel
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so I should run the VM on one CPU, then?

astral mantle
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donno if it's gonna be enough grunt for home assistant but it's worth a shot

sage kestrel
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Bu I thought I somehow allocated some of the CPU only, see now that was wrong...? Or are there fragments of CPU in there?

astral mantle
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ours is the ds220j and it's terrible

astral mantle
sage kestrel
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minw has 2x 2GHz CPU

astral mantle
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and while you can virtualize 4-6 cores on a 2-core machine, it really ramps down the computing speed

sage kestrel
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INTEL Celeron J4025

astral mantle
sage kestrel
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and 6144 MB RAM

sage kestrel
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... how can I put it back?

astral mantle
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just assign the home assistant 1 core

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if you've assigned it 2 cores then the machine is busy using its two cores to run all the NAS and Synology stuff plus virtualizing two more cores
and it's going to struggle at that with high CPU utilization like you said in your initial post

sage kestrel
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OK I give that a shot. Shutting down VM now to change it

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Than´s for help so far 🙂

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I know it could be several reasons why HA peaks on CPU, as Integrations, and processes that hang.... That would seem more reasonable though 🙂

astral mantle
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yeah in your case my suspicion is that you just don't have enough compute resources to give it

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if it works better on one core then it should do you fine for a while

sage kestrel
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Hope so too

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Th strange thing is that on th average CPU for HA is seldom more than 50%

astral mantle
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yeah but think of it this way

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you have two physical cores

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you're asking those two cores to do all the NAS and Synology stuff

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and then you virtualize two more cores on top of it

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so now they're doing the work of four cores

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of course the CPU utilization will be high

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now, you've got home assistant on one core, all the synology stuff on the other core

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the CPU load should be lower

sage kestrel
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at the moment, setting up Docker Application Container Engine it´s 4%

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a task tha´s been going on for 17 minuites now

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And I also got the CPU_IOWAIT, which f course would be due to lacking resources as you say.

astral mantle
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seems normal so far

sage kestrel
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Good

astral mantle
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fairly high utilization for you is going to be a fact of life, there just really isn't that much grunt in the Celeron processors

sage kestrel
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21 minutes setting up DACE now...-

astral mantle
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and looking at the spec sheet, I suspect you're sharing some of that 2GB system RAM with the graphics

sage kestrel
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how?

astral mantle
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from the Celeron processor spec sheet

Graphics Video Max Memory
The maximum amount of memory accessible to processor graphics. Processor graphics operates on the same physical memory as the CPU (subject to OS, driver, and other system limitations).

sage kestrel
astral mantle
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let it run for a day or so on the new setup and then take a look

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see what changed

sage kestrel
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I will

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So what I should look for is not getting the CPU peaks at 100%, right?

astral mantle
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yeah

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if you're still getting them, that tells you the synology just doesn't have enough grunt for the task and you should find an old dell or something

sage kestrel
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I also get the Emergency CLI loaded at startup

winter fossil
frank perch
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does your mDNS not work?

winter fossil
frank perch
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can you please stop tagging me on every reply

winter fossil
vague hill
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Hey everyone 🙂

frank perch
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yeah because discord devs are brain dead

humble scaffoldBOT
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Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

vague hill
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I am running docker compose.
Is updating not just

docker stop homeassistant
docker rm homeassistant
docker compose up -d

?

humble mirage
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No

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You should read the docs...

vague hill
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Docs are just for normal container, not for docker compose

humble mirage
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No, you're wrong

frank perch
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docker-compose pull homeassistant
docker-compose up -d
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I found it on the docs page

vague hill
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What, where?

humble mirage
frank perch
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there

humble mirage
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Look at the link that was posted

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Also, the main Docker docs also cover Compose for the install

vague hill
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Ah, sorry, it is not explained in the actual RPi area how to update compose. Only normal docker. It is "hidden" in the general docs

frank perch
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well its not that well hidden if I found it in 0.3secs

vague hill
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Well, as RPi user you tend to check RPi instructions because RPi does have quite a few limitations

frank perch
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over pigeon internet

brittle sail
vague hill
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Yep, but you would not have found it as an RPi user looking in "the obvious docs" 😉

frank perch
vague hill
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That I will admit 😄

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Can the update be run with running HA container?

humble mirage
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Well, yes but no

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To update you have to restart (well, replace) the container

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You can (and have to) pull first

vague hill
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But no need to remove the container before pulling, I assume?

Btw, the docs state docker-composebut it should be docker composewithout the hyphen

humble mirage
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Feel free to suggest an edit

grand pivot
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that's also relatively new

wide gale
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How new? I didn't notice that yet for the docker compose containers I run

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(not HA)

humble mirage
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A year or so?

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More recent was the move to compose.yaml vs docker-compose.yaml

wide gale
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Oh, I still have docker-compose.yaml everywhere

humble mirage
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So do I

grand pivot
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"docker" is being expunged everywhere in favor of "container"

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it used to be practically synonymous

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Most recently, Synology renamed their "Docker" addon to "Container"

gentle drift
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How long is HA restore from backup meant to take? Minutes? Hours?

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(It's a backup from the docker version, being restored into HAOS, and is about 8MB total size)

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Oh, hmm, looks like the web ui crashed.

frank perch
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to what hardware?

gentle drift
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HAOS running in qemu.

frank perch
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on what hardware tho

gentle drift
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Host is Ryzen with 64GB of memory, forget what motherboard. Guest is 4GB memory, 2vCPU.

brittle sail
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should've been really fast with such a small backup file and that hardware

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maybe it's networking related like the static ip + ip reservation not being released?

humble mirage
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Restores always seem to be slow these days

brittle sail
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that's usually with big backup files no?

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some new haos issue?

humble mirage
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Dunno, just that there's been more posts of late about slow restores than are usual

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More posts about problems with DNS too

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Probably gremlins

astral mantle
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DNS is a weird and crazy beast anyway

frank perch
astral mantle
astral mantle
gentle drift
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Ok, I can figure out a bit more of what's going on.
I tell it I want to restore from backup during onboarding and offer it the tar, it lists it as a "partial backup" containing data from homeassistant core, I tick the box next to that and tell it to proceed.
The web UI immediately stops responding.
The VM is still up and I can log in to it.

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Looking at journalctl, it failed to restore the whole backup, because it ended up with some named pipes rolled into it.

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However, it clearly restored part of it because I can see log messages from it trying to access cameras and stuff defined in that backup (and failing, because it's confused about its hostname and dns search path)

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Let's try this again with the pipes pruned out of the backup.

gentle drift
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Aha! Ok, there were two different issues going on -- the pipes, and the fact that the restored configuration.yaml had an http block that wasn't compatible with the vm.

brisk willow
astral mantle
astral mantle
placid burrow
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One of my teammates at work was being subjected to a mildly-incorrect but very 101-level explanation of DNS from someone a few days back.
I got to bust out this piece of internet history (which I think is possibly older than they are, and yet still so relevant): https://archive.ph/DlhDg
(not entirely SFW, just so that's mentioned before anyone clicks on it)

frank perch
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prime material there.

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priceless art work.

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there are people younger than mspaint?

placid burrow
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This particular person is young enough to have never used a VHS tape, floppy disk, or dial-up internet. Boy did I feel old when we found that out

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I took immense delight in explaining CGI scripts to them though. The look of horror on the face of someone when you explain "so the web server just executes this file and sends its output back to the browser" 😄

frank perch
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let em watch Willow

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for live action CGI

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lmfao

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1988 was a wild time.

gentle drift
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Speaking of DNS, something appears to be badly wrong with HOAS DNS for me
ha dns info shows locals: dns://192.168.1.1, which is correct, but also host: 172.30.32.3, and looking at the logs it appears to be sending all of its DNS requests to the latter, which obviously does not work

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I tried turning off fallback (ha dns opt --fallback=0) based on some forum posts, but it does not appear to have had any effect even after restarting.

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Also, looking at the logs, it's trying to look up hostname.local.hass.io rather than using my local DNS search path, even though its hostname shows up correctly as hass.mydomain.ca.

brittle sail
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any open issues?

gentle drift
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As in reported by ha resolution info? Only "no current backup", which makes sense since I just set this up tonight.

brittle sail
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i'm on haos without any dns issues myself however lol

gentle drift
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That's the opposite problem of what I'm having

frank perch
gentle drift
frank perch
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o.0

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that's new then

gentle drift
brittle sail
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i just linked to an open dns issue for haos

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i wasnt specifically stating that was your issue

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rather suggesting you make sure there isnt a known issue before going down the rabbit hole

gentle drift
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Yeah, I've rummaged around in the github issues and found nothing.

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Interestingly, nslookup and resolvectl query (on the hoas box) both work as expected.

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So the problem is specific to HA, not with the system's network configuration as a whole.

brittle sail
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i'd just start a new issue. the haos devs dont really hang out in this channel (more in #beta or dev related channels, or just on github)

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agners and others will jump on it - and the more technical info you provide the better

gentle drift
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(this also implies that HA is not using the system resolver???)

frank perch
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docker exec -it hassio_dns bash

brittle sail
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for fun you could take a backup then try the 11.0 beta

frank perch
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try that from cmd line

brittle sail
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and see if they've made some changes

gentle drift
# frank perch try that from cmd line

doing that and then running nslookup from inside the dns container also works, and shows it using 127.0.0.11 as the nameserver (which is presumably the dns relay running inside that container)

frank perch
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yup

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so at least that works

gentle drift
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Which makes me suspect that the root cause is actually that it's blindly appending .local.hass.io to every hostname it tries to resolve, and when the local DNS can't resolve that it falls back to someone else's DNS rather than trusting the local nameserver to recurse

frank perch
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ha dns reset
ha dns options --servers dns://8.8.8.8 --servers dns://1.1.1.1
ha dns restart

been thru this?

gentle drift
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The search path in /etc/resolv.conf is correct, though, so where is this happening?

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I haven't, and also, how would telling it to use Google's DNS help at all?

frank perch
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well I'd try your ISP ones first