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tender wren
brittle sail
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wild

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wonder if they have ipv6 disabled

stuck hawk
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It finished, amazing how seemless it is to move to new hardware

brittle sail
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it be like that

frank perch
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my 650mb restore took about 2 hours

late token
celest marten
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Noob here. Just got the Zooz 700 Z-wave usb stick. HAOS sees it and adds it to the Z-wave module. However, it's not discovering anything. Has this occurred to anyone else ?

patent tree
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Stupid question. I’ve been using HAOS on a raspberry pi. I spent a good amount of time working with it. I’m looking to move over to the HA container on Docker. Is there anyway to make a backup on the OS version and just load it up on the Docker version so I don’t have to start all over?

grand pivot
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Yes

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Just extract the homeassistant.tar.gz file from the backup into your new config directory

brittle sail
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This was you last night 😂

patent tree
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I’m just trying to get everything moved over but am struggling.

humble mirage
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Noob here Just got the Zooz 700 Z wave

low sigil
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I'm trying to use a data disk connected via USB. HA runs on a VM on top of Fedora Server. I have made the necessary configuration on the VM that this host USB disk is available to the VM (guest).

Now I'm trying to understand how to add this storage device to HA (Settings > System > Storage) via https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os#network-storage

but it looks fairly complex. The be clear I'm simply trying to add extra storage (as I want to store footage from my Reolink camera) and not move the data disk.

How to go about this?

stone merlin
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Buenos días

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estoy valorando la opción de comprar el kit yellow de home assistant

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es recomendable? se que tiene bastante tiempo en el mercado y no se si van a sacar una nueva versión o si está algo obsoleto

fluid hemlock
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Good morning. I have to complete Home Assistant configuration but, my machine is interfaced outward internet by a proxy server. How can I configure Home Assistant to include proxy authorizations settings before to try an update of operating system, or Core or Addons ? Best regards.

stone merlin
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I supose nginx proxy server is a good option

fluid hemlock
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I have just configured proxy server in my network. I don't know where I have to set proxy address, or proxy username within Home Assistant configuration. In practise Home Assistant aren0t use proxy.

stone merlin
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Why you are configured proxy server in your network? do you need it for other use than home assistant?

fluid hemlock
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For security reasones

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Home Assistant use only http protocol

stone merlin
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you can use https in home assistant

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is not easy but is possible

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I recommend you to use cloudflare with a register domain

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and connect to your home internet trought zeru trust service

fluid hemlock
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one problem please. How can configure proxy settings in Home Assistant ?

stone merlin
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you can found more info in youtube (search this: Hassio cloudflare)

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where have you install home assistant? pc or rasperry?

fluid hemlock
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it is installed on a server

stone merlin
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zero trust could be complicate, but home assistant has a cloudflare integration (HACS) where update your dinamic ip in a subdomain

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and you can include proxy server in cloudflare in order to hide your real ip address

fluid hemlock
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No. Not Cloud only local use for security

stone merlin
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so if you only use in a local lan, I think you don't need proxy server

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anyway, I never installed proxy in a home assistant

fluid hemlock
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Proxy server shadows network implementation outside of your office. Is important against attack surface

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Ok thank you for your time

crimson owl
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How to solve this problem, I installed homeassistant on a mobile phone without root permission.

stone merlin
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someone has installed home assistant in windows plattform without virtualization?

runic venture
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Howdy all - I've set up a brand new HA instance, complete with the HA script available on the HA website, and am getting the same systemd-journald: failed to rotate [...] read only file system error again. Clearly this is some Proxmox thing, then? Any ideas welcome, thanks in advance!

https://imgur.com/PJVMCE0

raven forge
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What script?

runic venture
runic venture
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oops wrong brackets

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It doesn't embed anyway, bacon saved

raven forge
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You can use <link> to not embed/preview

runic venture
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Yeah, I meant to do that

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I didn't want it to boost the page too much, but embeds are off so it's same same anyway

raven forge
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You could run dmesg -T | less and scroll (arrow keys, q to quit) through it from the start to see if there's anything useful.
You have to enter login first to get ouf of the HA CLI

runic venture
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I wouldn't know what's useful and what isn't, none of this makes sense to me - I'm not familiar with Linux or it's various common run-ons

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Does scrolling through this start you at the top, by going down once?

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it appears to start from the same time as we see most recently in the list

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I can definitely see variations in the messages - two main things happen - but nothing clearly different

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Pasting an example of the two kinds of messages in that link

fallen lichen
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What type of storage are you using and how is it connected

frank perch
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who is your daddy and what does he do

runic venture
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500 GB NVMe SSD and I do have a backup SATA disk in there but it's not initialised at all

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HA has it's default 32 gb plus I expanded that to 64 by resizing the disk, but that's all on the same internal disk

runic venture
safe thunder
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I just installed HA on a RPi and I get the logs when I press the blue button, but it's not clear how to get past the logs and onto the rest of the setup. Can someone tell me how to get to the next step, please?

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It shows successfully running in the logs.

brittle sail
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Go to homeassistant.local:8123 on your lan or ip:8123

manic bane
manic bane
brittle sail
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For all I know he’s pressed a blue button on his toy car on his desk

manic bane
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Fair point

placid sage
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Just migrating from a pi3 to something with a bit more beef. there I use cockpit and cockpit-machines to start a HAOS vm.
but here I start having issues with OS and qemu-virtiofsd. I try to mount a folder (/opt/homeassistant/config) to /config in the VM. sadly I can not find a way to mount the shared folder. (ha-cli and terminal addon)
any ideas welcome

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I dont think that I can get any acess in the ha-cli, when using the addon, and querying mount, I also can not see the shared folder, maybe I have to install findmnt to see

placid sage
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nah, findmnt also dont dind it, probably because the addon is already a container...

low notch
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you... are mounting directories in a vm? usually thats not a option without guest tools and sounds like you are setting up a container

placid sage
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so HAOS does not have guest tools then..
Nah, just using addons

low notch
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it does have guest tools afaik

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but they might not be compatible with cockpit is what i want to say

placid sage
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cockpit-machines is just a wrapper around qemu and libvirt

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urgh, then some unholiness with sshfs and systemd I guess is my only way

low notch
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why don't you just use a proper disk? and restore the backup like everyone else? 😄

river condor
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Good Morning. trying to install HA on a RPi4 (HA OS style). Guess I'm seeing the same 'issue' as @safe thunder before. In the logs (blue button), errors are showing up, related to 'https://ghcr.io/v2/' . I've tested it in a normal browser, and there seems to be some authentication error (unauthorized). Is there perhaps some version missmatch between the Pi Imager, and newly release version?

placid sage
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you mean dding the qcow file out to a thumbdrive?

low notch
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no?

placid sage
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no backups in ha container via compose 😄

low notch
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it gets more confusing

placid sage
low notch
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thats all you have to do

placid sage
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sorry, mixing here,
old system, pi3 with docker-compose
new system fedora, and moving to HAOS

low notch
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no other mounts

placid sage
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ah, yea, my current mount disk is the qcow file stored on disk

low notch
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thats not... a mount?

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its just a disk, attached to the vm

trim dock
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Doing a restore from a full backup onto a new clean installation on a different system. I selected restore from the onboarding page (didn't create an initial login). I know this could take a while (4gb backup tar file), but is there any way to check and make sure that it's actually restoring? I've read that it can take anywhere from 15 minutes to 2-3 hours.

placid sage
low notch
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yes, no other "mounts" needed

placid sage
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kk, was hoping to havethe same stucture as I'm used to with cotainer, maybe I ll go down the route with sshfs with the terminal addon to have this functionality

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thanks a lot! saved me a couple of hours banging my head against the wall

low notch
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you will hit limits I guess, thats not how haos was intended. its pretty much one way with the config files in haos, you only get backups out of it. but hey you can try and see maybe it works

hexed oak
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Hello there. First post here so be gentle- also i'm a bit of a linux idiot. Just upgraded from rpi3-> rpi4. Running on a usb ssd (Netac Portable SSD 250GB). All seems good but lost access to pi completely last night and had to reboot this morning. Now lost access again through web (but can ssh in). Can someone direct me how to get the logs off it and where to put them so someone who understands whats going on can help me get it stable?

placid sage
safe thunder
river condor
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@safe thunder If you look through the logs, do you see any 'errors' as I did?

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Im my case, that's probablu why my install got stuck.

safe thunder
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navigating to that page says there's an authentication error.

river condor
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Just as mine. Bummer.

safe thunder
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Maybe mine was trying to pull while the code was being updated? I'm rebooting the RPi to see if it tries again.

river condor
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Updates are 'semi' atomic, so if you do a pull when someone is pushing there should not be a conflict. My guess is more that the HAOS tha'ts found on/in the Pi Imager needs an update.. Alternative, somebody messed up the read rights on the folder... (ghcr.io/v2)

crimson owl
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I installed homeassistant on a mobile phone without root, and it prompts the above when I configure it.

safe thunder
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I used a 4GB card. Now I'm going to use an 8GB and try again.

raven forge
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32G are the recommended minimum (for HAOS) AFAIK

hexed oak
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as dfirected by the website- burned an image of 64 bit rpi4 HASS to the SSD, then booted from it. Then restored my previous backup to it.

placid sage
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try to run ha core check for starters

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logs should be in /config

hexed oak
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says processing done. didn't come up with anything

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its all accessible again now. Weird. Was unable to connect to it for about an hour

primal nymph
quick oracle
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should I install home assistant with docker or home assistant core on ubuntu?

grand pivot
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The former. There's no point in the latter

quick oracle
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so what's the difference between docker or OS?

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I'm installing this on a Microsoft Surface w/ ubuntu latest

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Would like to use the surface as a server and control panel

crude inlet
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@quick oracle HAOS is a minimal OS based on buildroot for embedded systems. It includes docker and is managed by the supervisor for managing other containers (add-ons). With docker you are the supervisor and choose your own containers if needed

remote token
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Hello! I am installing home assistant on an Ubuntu server. I had it running in a virtualbox vm, but after a server reboot, I cannot get it up. All the errors point to virtualbox-drv or dkms. I'm not a Lennox person, so I don't know what those means. I have tried to reinstalling those packages, with no success.

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This is the error message I'm getting:

haven@haven:~$ sudo VBoxManage startvm "homeassistant" --type headless
[sudo] password for haven:
WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate
headers, most likely linux-headers-generic.
You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
VBoxManage: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'homeassistant'
VBoxManage: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee nsISupports
VBoxManage: error: Context: "FindMachine(Bstr(pszVM).raw(), machine.asOutParam())" at line 721 of file VBoxManageMisc.cpp

raven forge
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What happens if you try to install the packages?

molten wind
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Hi all! I'm trying to install HA via Docker on Windows 10 and I'm using the online installation guide. Currently I think I have docker running since the image is showing as "Running" in the Containers menu. However, I can't seem to access the Web UI? Any advice? I'm attempting to access it via "127.0.0.1:8123" on the local PC.

grand pivot
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That is not supported

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That's why it's not listed as an option

molten wind
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It seems to be listed as an option for under the Generic x86-64 menu though, would that not work?

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(i.e. I have an Intel NUC and would like to use the Home Assistant Container option listed there)

grand pivot
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That's not Windows and not a container install

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It's completely unrelated to what you said you were trying

molten wind
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😅 I'm a bit baffled, sorry! I'm new to most of this

grand pivot
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Install Linux on it and you can use the container install

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Or just use the generic x86 install of HAOS

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I suggest the latter

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Either way, you'll replace Windows

molten wind
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Hmmm. That's unfortunate. I'd have liked to keep Windows!

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Thanks for your help though : )

grand pivot
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Then follow one of the options listed for Windows

wraith flicker
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Hi Folks, I first posted a couple days ago but didnt really have time to debug then sorry. I've been unable to upgrade to HAOS 10.x ever since it came out. When I first started I was running HAOS9.5 and tried upgrading to 10.1 I think it was at the time. The upgrade didnt work because when i rebooted I was still on 9.5. I can't see anything in my logs but might be missing something. I've tried upgrading to 10.x several times with no succes. Sometimes it sends me back to 9.4 which I don't understand. I've also tried a clean install of 10.x and restoring a backup but that sent me back to 9.5 again. I also sometimes get errors about AppArmour but don't understand how to fix that. It seems to go away by itself once I attempt an upgrade again. This is all running on a Pi4 using HAOS I just rebooted my Pi to get a clean log - supervisor log is http://pastie.org/p/2drTQII82HjyANIEMUGY0A thats currently running 9.4 and says I can upgrade to 9.5. Upgrading to 9.5 was succesful this time and new supervisor log is http://pastie.org/p/70oHasaPD1ivCgDr2TmYQ2

crimson owl
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When I started homeassistant for the first time, it prompted me that there were some code errors.

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Invalid config
The following integrations and platforms could not be set up:

usb (Show logs)
bluetooth (Show logs)
zeroconf (Show logs)
cloud (Show logs)
assist_pipeline (Show logs)
mobile_app (Show logs)
default_config (Show logs)
Please check your config and logs.

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What causes this?

manic bane
crimson owl
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2023-08-06 06:24:20.197 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.loader] Unexpected exception importing component homeassistant.components.assist_pipeline
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/homeassistant/components/assist_pipeline/init.py", line 26, in <module>

manic bane
crimson owl
manic bane
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It also doesn’t change that HA is not designed for a mobile phone, and phones are not designed to be plugged in 24/7 either

crimson owl
crimson owl
manic bane
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There are 4 installation options on that page, which one
Core, HAOS, Supervised, or Docker?

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Okay so core

crimson owl
manic bane
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Since you get ethernet and USB built in

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Use the phone as the controller for HA

crimson owl
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@manic bane I solved my problem, but the version of ha is too new and my python doesn't fit.

manic bane
crimson owl
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But ha2023.7.10 doesn't work.

humble mirage
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You want Python 3.11.4 now

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Or just to use Docker, which s actually the fastest way to "get in touch" with HA

runic venture
stone merlin
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hi everybody

fallen lichen
stone merlin
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someone are using the usb for radio frecuency?

humble mirage
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Many people use USB devices for Zigbee, Z-Wave, Thread, RF433, and more

runic venture
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It appears to spam more of the same? I get a huge rush of this

manic bane
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That imgur link isn't a link

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Also don't share text as a photo

runic venture
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Oh RIP hold on

fallen lichen
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The beginning of the log will be most important

runic venture
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I can't post photos in here so there's not much more I can do

stone merlin
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shelly use zigbee protocol?

manic bane
runic venture
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The only thing i've done both times on these HA instances is expand the disk from 32 --> 64 GB while live, which from my VMWare experience is fine but maybe Proxmox doesn't like?

manic bane
runic venture
fallen lichen
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Nah, you're fine to expand disks under Proxmox and HA has no issue either

runic venture
runic venture
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Good to know for sure!

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Uh I might be nuts but, dmesg -T | less seems to only let me scroll through a certain range of outputs - do you know how I can scroll up to the top of the dmesg output? Or should I run the -T one THEN do dmesg?

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Again, utter linux noob so I apologise for my likely obvious knowledge lack

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I'm your average robocopy script kiddie and that's about it as far as terminals go

fallen lichen
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dmesg -T | curl -F 'format=url' -F 'content=<-' https://dpaste.org/api/

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That'll put it all in a dpaste snippet and give you a URL

runic venture
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WOAH

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Okay Mr Wizard

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Hell I can't tell if it's posting these lines and breaking what i'm typing or just if that command didn't work

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I wish I could paste into this terminal

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ctrl+v, ctrl+shift+v and insert methods don't work in case that's the next suggestion bee tee dubs

fallen lichen
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Nah, you've got to re-type it if you're using the browser console client in Proxmox

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Should be accessible just using the SSH addon though

runic venture
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Hmm. I did add the typical ssh addon in HA, should I try this there?

fallen lichen
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I mean, if you've got the browser console open already... this will work there, up to you, the output will be close

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It looks like the addon doesn't have the -T option for dmesg, not the end of the world

wraith flicker
fallen lichen
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Feels like there's probably more to the story there... those are only 100 line snippets and on the second one, you can see there's an earlier error cut off at least

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It can take a bit to upgrade some times as well... you mentioned you rebooted, you may have halted the progress

runic venture
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Oh, additionally - part of the issue I had with my old installation was that the DNS/network settings were cocked up, so the new installation also resolved those, and I've installed updates successfully to it. However, since the reoccurrence of this 'read-only fs' problem, I now appear not to be able to apply 2023.8.1 - it just drops back to the 'install' button again as if there's an error in starting the update (but it visibly throws none.) I was going to look into it after this problem.

Also also - my HA buttons all seem to shift upwards when this error is happening. All pictures attached.
https://imgur.com/XWCDROC

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Maybe this is all part of the same problem? Not sure but thought I shold note it!

fallen lichen
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You ignored my command 😞

tired flume
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Hello. How to set up an old laptop for home assistant? Thankyou

fallen lichen
river condor
wraith flicker
nimble maple
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What do you all host HA on?

humble mirage
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Sensible people don't use a Pi

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Sensible people also don't use a VM on Windows desktop

grand pivot
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I'm surprised about the number of VM installs

nimble maple
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I might be setting up a proxmox cluster soon and was thinking of just hosting a vm on that for it

humble mirage
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That works

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Many people do that, and Proxmox isn't bad at all

nimble maple
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Yeah. Would prefer to go esxi for learning it better for work

humble mirage
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That works too, not as many people do that, but it's a positive number

nimble maple
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yep, free version doesn't have a lot of features I want to use though, like clustering. oh well, that is a separate conversation

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thanks for the tips, i really appreciate

manic bane
jagged spruce
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Hi, I installed an update in HA and it became unavailable. I flashed my SD card with rpi imager and restored via backup (tar file) but home assistant just disconnects and is unreachable via WiFi. Has anybody ran into this issue?

cold heron
raven forge
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Hard to say. Depends on configuration, addons, number of entities, how often they change their value and so on.
The short-term history/log data is only kept for 10 days by default: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/recorder/#purge_keep_days
SD cards are relatively cheap and it's not that hard to migrate. Maybe add some some disk related sensors to your dashboard and take action if needed

cold heron
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Thanks for the feedback! Would you directly install HA on the RPI or is there any deeper sense in deploying it via Docker or something?

raven forge
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I use the docker/container installation method for the flexibility/freedom and because I'm not a fan of HAOS but most people seem to be happy with it.
I'd suggest you try out HAOS and see if it fits your needs

cold heron
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I think I’ll try the direct install to keep it simple 😉

hidden owl
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Has anyone tried to install HomeAssistant in Asahi Linux (Debian on Apple Silicon)?

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I have it running but getting some errors popup in the cli - seems to mostly be around https (which is not currently confirgured)

humble mirage
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"some errors"?

hidden owl
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yeah a bunch of these: File "aiohttp/_http_parser.pyx", line 557, in aiohttp._http_parser.HttpParser.feed_data
aiohttp.http_exceptions.BadStatusLine: 400, message:
Bad status line "Invalid method encountered:\n\n b'\x16\x03\x01\x02'\n ^"

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everything seems to be working (other than MFA) though

low notch
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are you running core? or container?

hidden owl
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core

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no other way to do it in apple silicon running debian

brazen herald
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You can run a virtual machine of HAOS. But it sounds like you're running a VM and trying to run HA Supervised in that VM

hidden owl
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no I am not running a VM I am running Debian ARM64 native on Apple Silicon

low notch
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why is docker no option in debian?

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sounds wrong to me

hidden owl
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because there is no container support for Debian on Apple Silicon yet

brazen herald
low notch
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well first you talked about asahi and now its debian 😛

hidden owl
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and I am not running supervised I am running core

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I am not running MAcOS lol - not sure how many time sI need to say NATIVE debian ARM64

low notch
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yes, so use asahi and podman

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apparently that works alright

hidden owl
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yes

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and it works I just get the error I posted coming up a lot

low notch
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you didn't try what I suggested

hidden owl
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I didn't you suggest anything - all I saw was you ask about docker... let me recheck

low notch
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this all points to some python lib not liking apple silicon yet, so use a container and get rid of that problem

hidden owl
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I cannot replace Debian with Redhat (podman) because my machine is not just for homeassistant it is also my 3d printer server

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itis not a problem I can just run the native MacOS version on my Mac Studio instead - I was just trying to get some more utilsation out of my M1 Mac Mini (which is the one running debian)

low notch
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podman also runs on debian 🤔

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you are overcomplicating things but ok

hidden owl
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no I am just checking out what the best options will be

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I already discovered core is not the best idea because I can't run any addons so I will need to rethinnk things

low notch
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nobody needs addons

hidden owl
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I do for my merross bulbs they are nto being picked up by core

low notch
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so?

hidden owl
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I managed to get all my apple devices, my apple tv and my lg tv but none of my lights

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well if I am going to use HA to replace Apple Home, I need to be able to get all my devices 🙂

low notch
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every single addon is just a docker container or piece of software that you can install on your own and was usually available before there was a addon

hidden owl
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I literally started looking at this 1 hour ago - so I haven't read everything (or even close to everything) yet

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I was mostly just curious why I get that error

low notch
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you'll probably find the problem deep down in some py http library, nothing you can change there unless you change the environment

hidden owl
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yeah probably - I was expecting some issues running on Apple silicon - given how many issues I had getting klipper to run on it

low notch
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I'd do a arm debian vm on macos, thats probably the best you can do rn

hidden owl
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I will play around for now and see how things go - if I need to move it to another machine it is not an issue

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I can probably run it in unraid if I need to - I expect there is a container for it

runic venture
# fallen lichen You ignored my command 😞

Sorry! I didn't, I was starting to work through it - but then time ran away from me last night and I didn't do any of the above. Re-attacking it tonight though so I'm sorry for the blue balling but at least I can jump back in now!

runic venture
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I ended up hard resetting the system and am now trying it in both

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I'm not sure if either command worked correctly

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I've added the top and tail of a dmesg as well which I ran in the ssh console in HA

hidden owl
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so quick question - the installation instructions for core tell you to start the service with just: hass

Obviously this is not ideal as everything is dumped to stdout and seems standard debugging level is set quite high as well and catches warnings.

So what is the preferred method of starting it and can I change the debug level to only log errors?

frank perch
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usually people start it at boot...

hidden owl
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and the debugging level? cos I am getting thousands of warnings currently - I don't want them logged

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getting signature error warning for all my meross bulbs

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but they all work fine so there clearly isn't an issue

frank perch
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logger

fallen lichen
frank perch
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ahhh Gandalf is here

humble mirage
runic venture
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Alright nabbed it, is this something I should be keeping private due to sensetive info in the output?

fallen lichen
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I wouldn't imagine there is much too concerning there, there's hardware identifying information and things like that... unsure if a public IP would wind up in it

runic venture
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My public IP should rotate soon anyway, so I'll take that gambit

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Thank you again by the way

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Looks like, with my very uneducated eye, either
[Mon Aug 7 12:19:11 2023] acpi PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMCONFIG information, can't access extended PCI configuration space under this bridge. or

[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:01.1: can't claim BAR 4 [io  0xd300-0xd30f]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]
[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:01.2: can't claim BAR 4 [io  0xd2e0-0xd2ff]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]
[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:03.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io  0xd280-0xd2bf]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]
[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:05.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io  0xd240-0xd27f]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]
[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:08.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io  0xd200-0xd23f]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]
[Mon Aug  7 12:19:11 2023] pci 0000:00:12.0: can't claim BAR 0 [io  0xd2c0-0xd2df]: address conflict with PCI Bus 0000:01 [io  0xd000-0xdfff]

might be a clue

fallen lichen
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That's only less than 2 minutes of information. Were you seeing the readonly errors between 12:19 and 12:20?

runic venture
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Not that I know of, no

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I certainly didn't set anything myself, if I did, it was entirely accidental

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I can retry the command?

fallen lichen
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Are you seeing the errors now?

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You want to get the output after the errors start to occur, reviewing the dmesg output should hopefully provide more insight into the trigger of them

runic venture
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Ah nuts, yeah right I get it now. I restarted the machine because none of the consoles were reliably responding to me, which cleared the fault, which means this report is less useful. Hell!

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Okay good to know though - I'll have the command ready to go for when they start again (probably by tomorrow night)

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I do have a couple of light errors in HA's terminal but likely not a biggie - either way, adding to the ever-growing imgur link

idle burrow
#

Hello, I'm currently running version 2022.11.4. I'm trying to update but the web ui say there is no update available. The command ha available-updates return an error 403. I'm using hassos, updated some days ago at version 10.3. Any idea what's wrong?

river crag
#

Is anyone able to help? I just loaded virtual box on the new windows pc and tried to restore home assistant from a previous backup (.tar file) but it failed to fetch. Is there a chance the backup is too old? It’s from January 2021. How do I even log in to start over if I have to? Do I just create a new login username and password?

raven forge
tender wren
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There have been quite some breaking changes since January 2021. Chances are something might be incompatible

safe zinc
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I just installed 10.4 on a pi4. How do I get past the cli so I can install ssh?

raven forge
safe zinc
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ssh in so I can go headless. I tried the advanced ssh addon and it didn't work so I tried from putty and a linux account which also failed. I assumed because ssh wasn't installed so I hooked up a monitor and keyboard.

raven forge
safe zinc
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ok, I get this followed by 502: bad gateway

Advanced SSH & Web Terminal
The add-on seems to not be ready, it might still be starting. Do you want to try again?

raven forge
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What do its logs say?

safe zinc
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Ah, I didn't see the configuration tab.

[01:43:55] INFO: Starting the ttyd daemon...
[01:43:55] FATAL:
[01:43:55] FATAL: Configuration of this add-on is incomplete.
[01:43:55] FATAL:
[01:43:55] FATAL: Please be sure to set at least an SSH password
[01:43:55] FATAL: or at least one authorized key!
[01:43:55] FATAL:
[01:43:55] FATAL: You can configure this using the "ssh.password"
[01:43:55] FATAL: or the "ssh.authorized_keys" option in the
[01:43:55] FATAL: add-on configuration.
[01:43:55] FATAL:

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do I use the user and pw I used to set up haos?

raven forge
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Use whatever you want.
Once configured you can try putty on the configured port again. The web terminal can be a bit infuriating to use

safe zinc
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it seems to go to the cli again. Can I run wget from there? And I see what you mean.

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it's working well from putty now. Thanks. Trying to get sonoff devices working. I thought it would be easier.

stoic shore
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Hello everyone, i hope this is the right channel for my question.
So, my homeassistant is on a really old version and i wanna update it. My question is, do i have to update Homeassistant Core or OS first or does it not matter?

humble mirage
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It doesn't matter, but

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take a backup first

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and download that backup before you start the updates

stoic shore
#

ok, thank you

placid sage
#

I'm unable to install HomeAssistant Supervised in a Debian 12 running in a Raspberry Pi 4B. I am hitting the systemd-resolved error every time

humble mirage
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Use HAOS

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There's no good reason to use Supervised on hardwarer supported by HAOS

placid sage
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Anyone was able to make this installation? I need Supervised on linux since I am planning to use the same RPi for other stuff

humble mirage
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And ... there we have it

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Doing that is very clearly against the Supervised requirements, and will result in an unhealthy and unsupported system

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Things will break

placid sage
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Ok thanks

winged vale
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HI, there. I am running ha in a docker on a NAS. I got myself a PI4. Now I am searching for a link on a howto, how to transfer the running system from a docker to a dedicated Pi4. Maybe someone can help me to find an instruction to do that...

humble mirage
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Take a backup, download the backup, restore it to the new install (assuming you're going to HAOS)

winged vale
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Thanks!

stoic shore
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i also got those here

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[supervisor.resolution.evaluations.base] Systemd journal is not working correctly or inaccessible (more-info: https://www.home-assistant.io/more-info/unsupported/systemd_journal)

[supervisor.core] System running in a unsupported environment!

[supervisor.jobs] 'Updater.fetch_data' blocked from execution, no supervisor internet connection

[supervisor.utils.codenotary] Timeout while processing CodeNotary

ERROR (SyncWorker_3) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2023.2.3: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/create?tag=2023.2.3&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fraspberrypi4-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": context deadline exceeded")
humble mirage
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I'd reboot the device

stoic shore
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yea, already did that

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that was after the reboot

humble mirage
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Somebody who uses and knows HAOS will have to help from here then I'm afraid

stoic shore
humble mirage
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DMing people isn't going to help, and this is that channel

stoic shore
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ah ok

humble mirage
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There's no hidden "special help" channel

stoic shore
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ok, wasnt sure

humble mirage
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That'd be pretty dumb to have

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You can only get help if you find the secret

stoic shore
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i was more thinking of a ticket channel

humble mirage
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No tickets

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No formal support channel that you pay for

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It's us - other users of HA - helping people

stoic shore
#

ok, thank you for your help

runic venture
#

Suuuuuuper weird. I feel like I just keep having dodgy luck with this. VirtualBox threw kernel hangups and froze, baremetal was too cumbersome to do, well, this with, and now this on proxmox which out of everything so far should be the most optimal setup

fallen lichen
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Is the console unresponsive as well? Not the SSH add-on

runic venture
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No it's responding (albeit spamming more read-only errors) and in fact by pure chance I typed the whole command in correctly last night and when I hit the up key just now it picked it up in full and seemed to work - how do I scroll up in the console window, again, please?

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I saw it post the dpaste for a half second

humble mirage
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read-only errors
?

runic venture
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Check me lil' ol' imgur Tinkerer

humble mirage
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That sounds like an issue with the SD card/SSD/whatever

runic venture
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Full history of the faults seen so far are there

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Hmm. I don't think it should be faulty - it's reused but not that old and certainly shouldn't be near it's nand r/w limit

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Is there a fancy command you can use to check SMART or something similar?

humble mirage
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I see one image at that link, nothing about read only

runic venture
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Oh it should have history too - hold on I don't use imgur much, let me grab the lot if I can

humble mirage
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Read only file system

fallen lichen
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Google says you should be able to hit Shift+PageUp for the console; however, I'm not having luck w/ that myself

humble mirage
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What hardware is this?

runic venture
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Apologies NSX I didn't realise linking you one image didn't show you others, I should have been linking you the post instead

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Intel 10th gen NUC, 500 GB NVMe SSD

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It's an older model but not heavily used, maybe 2-3 years old - it's all the same hardware I initially provisioned in it so about the same age

humble mirage
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Well, that rules out the usual Pi problems

runic venture
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Yeah, I would have thought it would be quite passive and non-problematic

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I mean, it could be bad NAND or perhaps a bad controller... I remember some of those gigabyte sticks being dodgy

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but I doubt it, it'd be the first

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Could I perhaps clone the NVMe drive to a new stick and plug the new one back in it to keep everything as it is but replace the drive?

humble mirage
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Read only file system is 99% down to failing hardware or power issues

runic venture
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Sheet, for real?

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Alright then, damn that's one heck of a bad luck streak then

humble mirage
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It could be other things, but it's damn rare

runic venture
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It doesn't respond to any 'control' commands, only regular text input

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what a pain, I thought the whole point of setting up a VM host was to resolve these "can't plug into the device, can't see it's output direct on hardware" problems

runic venture
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I guess that's the go then... Clone the little bugger

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Proxmox isn't likely to have, like, hardware/driver issues with a new disk?

humble mirage
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Nope

runic venture
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I'm going to avoid the same unit, I think I have a spare Intel or WD drive around somewhere

humble mirage
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Of course, if the disk is failing you may not be able to clone it

wooden smelt
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@runic venture how did you install HAOS?

runic venture
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Oh I'll clone the little sucker if I have to tear into the flash itself and-

runic venture
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THEN, I used the script on the HA page

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Hold on, I'll find it again

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ah

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It's old but worked a treat and appears not to have much in the way of a version specific setup

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Oh, also, hi tteck, good to chat to you

wooden smelt
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The image of the hard disk settings are not from the script.

runic venture
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I've seen your name about a bunch - I've been hoping to set up HA again proplerly, and then Frigate (until all this crap began)

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Ah, some of those may be from my previous VM which I shut down due to this fault - let me take one of the current setup. Will just the hardware page work or should I go somewhere specific? [edit, yep vm 100 is the first VM which has my old setup on it, VM 101 is the current]

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Added two to imgur the link (I hope they show up right away?)

runic venture
olive zephyr
humble mirage
fallen lichen
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I'd give swapping out the HD a shot and see how that goes

runic venture
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Aw hell, yeah it looks that way

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Alright guys, thank you both for all your help - I'll probably be back in another 6 weeks when I can get back to opening this little bugger up xd

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I'll absolutely ping you both to let you know if a new, cloned disk does the trick

wraith flicker
fallen lichen
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Paste links are dead

muted patrol
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I can't update HA since last version on 2023.8. What can I do?

fallen lichen
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What do you mean "I can't update"

muted patrol
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I'm running home assistant container core-2023.7.3

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I know 2023.8 has been released but it does not appear

humble mirage
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If you're using Container then you just update the container

muted patrol
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🥹

humble mirage
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I know... documentation... nobody bothers reading it 😛

runic venture
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🇷 🇹 🇫 🇲 hey

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fixed it, yikes emoji are doing some weird stuff lately

wraith flicker
fallen lichen
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Ah, I remember

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Those logs aren't complete

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Are you able to attempt another upgrade?

wraith flicker
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how do i get complete logs? and yes I can - it says 10.4 is available now

muted patrol
fallen lichen
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I think you mentioned you were also restarting the device, which isn't something you should necessarily need to do. How long were you waiting prior to restarting

muted patrol
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I always had HA in a raspi

wraith flicker
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no sorry i ws talking about the restart that happens as part of the upgrade. I haven't had to force a restart

fallen lichen
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Got it

wraith flicker
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I can try the upgrade again now but how do I capture the full log? I have also enabled SSH into the host so can grab it from the filesystem if you can point me to it

fallen lichen
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Are the 100 lines even when you hit the Download Full Logs button?

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I know you can get access to the full supervisor logs directly from the host, but I don't think you can via addon

wraith flicker
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what I pasted was what I got when hitting the download button. I have both the ssh addon and ssh host access. I think I should be able to find the full log via the host but not sure how to - my linux skills are only enough to be dangerous

fallen lichen
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via 22222?

wraith flicker
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yes via 22222

fallen lichen
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journalctl "CONTAINER_NAME=hassio_supervisor" will get you the full logs

wraith flicker
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aaah yes much more there. Do you want what I have since the last restart or should I attempt the upgrade again and then share what it produces?

fallen lichen
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You could scroll around to where your prior upgrade was and see what you find

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You'll probably want some prior to the last restart, since it likely failed somewhere

wraith flicker
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hmmm i can't actually find those lines. I'll follow the log and attempt the upgrade and share the output

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okay so this is something that sometimes happens - when the install reboots I've just tried to SSH back in and its telling me the host key has changed - is that expected?

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I feel like there's a gap in the logs? I'm a bit lost

ebon bough
empty bloom
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ah you're still following the guide and trying to do wifi...

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if that's the case, then you DO need the community SSH & Terminal addon

ebon bough
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offcourse, I am not an easy quiter:P

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will try that one

empty bloom
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I still don't understand why you want wifi

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it will gain you 0 benefits

humble mirage
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It does gain you downsides

ebon bough
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I will switch back to ethernet when I have played around with it, i will add multiple interfaces for sensors, like p1, zigbee etc, I want to play around with the devices on my desk. as well I want to get familiar with how flexible Home Assistant is.

brittle sail
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You’re wanting to gimp yourself to test with?

humble mirage
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Plug in a USB extension cable and then you can add your "interfaces"

ebon bough
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USB extension should be around 5 meters long 😛

humble mirage
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Seriously, there's nothing to gain by dropping it on your desk

empty bloom
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literally

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there's literally nothing that you're going to plug into your pi that requires it to be right next to it, zigbee included

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5 meters is well within zigbee's range

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the extension cable is to get the zigbee controller away from the noise of the PI

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to extend it's range

humble mirage
empty bloom
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there should be zero reasons you need to have your HA box next to you

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even with DIY sensors.

ebon bough
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maybe your right with it not being nescessary....

empty bloom
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it's not, and you're wasting your time

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and you're gimping your system

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there's a reason the guide as the following note:

image.png
ebon bough
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I am not wasting my time, I am seeing how it behaves when I want something for no reason

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just because

wraith flicker
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@fallen lichen were my logs that bad?

fallen lichen
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From the logs, it looks like the upgrade was fine, but I'm wondering if the boot then failed. There's 2 slots w/ HA OS and if one slot fails it'll fall back to the prior install

wraith flicker
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that sounds familiar actually - I forget the command someone gave me but I did notice it would sometimes swap between slot A and slot B? I didnt understand the significance

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Is there a way I can check that? or find out why the boot is failing?

fallen lichen
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Perhaps try ha host logs -b -1 Not terribly familiar with that, though

wraith flicker
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not seeing anything there

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sorry for the text but it was the ha os info command that gave me the boot slot

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ha os info
board: rpi4-64
boot: A
data_disk: KINGSTON-SA400S37240G-50026B7282D60EE6
update_available: true
version: "9.5"
version_latest: "10.4"

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trying the update again and will see if the boot slot changes

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got the complete before and after log this time and it didnt switch slots. http://pastie.org/p/1AXmv5sgFwTe2jkjGkdXMB Interesting it says upgrade to 10.4 worked but then after boot it is still on 9.5 and now I have apparmour issues again

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I am going to have to call it a night for today but if you have any ideas happy to try them and let you know tomorrow

fallen lichen
pastel elm
#

Hi I have a mariaDB database for Homeassistant running on the Proxmox server. Only I forgot to limit the retention days?
How can I get the database now smaller without deleting the power consumption data with it?

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
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By default it's 10 days

wraith flicker
fallen lichen
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Gotcha

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Your comment of reflashing with 10.1 and then restoring sending you back to 9.5 doesn't seem to make too much sense though. To my knowledge, there wouldn't be anything in the backup that'd cause OS changes

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I'd say maybe try that again w/ the latest OS

grand holly
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is it weird that i dont get a option to backup in the onboarding page of home assistant

grand pivot
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Not really. Nothing to back up

grand holly
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poor wording on my end

humble mirage
cloud gorge
#

Hey! I've got an Orange Pi 5 on the way (more available than a RPi and much more powerful)

I'd like to imagine I can follow this guide: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi

But I have a feeling it may not be quite that easy as I have different hardware.
What is the best way to get Home Assistant running?

humble mirage
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Docker

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No add-ons, but you've no way of getting them on that hardware

cloud gorge
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thanks

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oh, add-ons are built for rpi only and not available for other platforms?

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maybe I wasted money on the orange pi :(

tender wren
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They are on other platforms, but for HAOS and one other unholy install method only

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Not for Docker (but add-ons are just fancy Docker containers)

brittle sail
cloud gorge
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orange pi is silent / efficient like a rpi

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mini pc like optiplex as far as I know has fans that spin up

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given it's going to be running in my living room all day every day, figured SBC was the way to go

brittle sail
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Yea that’s what mini pcs do

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 link i've shared previously for an $80 mini pc "m910q" there are many variants on ebay for reasonable prices with 8gb ram or higher and 128gb ssd/nvme or bigger

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Runs circles around any sbc and cheaper

cloud gorge
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can you install HAOS on those?

brittle sail
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Yep

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It’s a computer

agile gyro
#

I friends, I need help. I've been using Home Assistant for many years, and have gone thru many many updates and different setups. Started on on an Raspberry PI and now running on my larger file server.

A few months back I had a catastrophic failure of the drive that hosted my HA and all configs were lost (with no backups). I spent the better part of a week getting back up and running on the new VM OS option. All was working well until I got home from a vacation yesterday and my lights were not responding. yada yada, somehow the entire VM working directory was gone. The disk, everything. Ok, fine - fool me once shame on you - I have a full backup from a few days ago.

I just downloaded the vdi again, went to homeassistant.local (didn't work for some reason) and then the IP address. I created a dummy user, uploaded the backup and hit go (btw - sucks that there is no progress). I used "supervisor logs" over and over until it looked like everything was ready. Alas - no login.

Restarted HA, no login.

I've done the same procedure just restoring the "core" of HA, to the same result. I can't seem to see the full "core logs" because it's cutoff in my VM window and I'm not sure how to do a "more" type of view of that, nor how to ssh into the system without any access to HA

astral wing
#

Morning all. trying to get started, looking for some help. Rpi3 installed from homeassistant website instructions. HA is up and working. Now, I'm trying to get a BME 280 running using an adafruit feather huzzah. Their install guide suggests using hass.io, but I don't see that on the install. Tried the Rpi install from Adafruit's Hass.io instructions but it failed. Back to the HA instructors which worked fine. Question, then: what the heck is hass.io, how is it different, shoudl I use it, can I add it to a vanilla HA install etc.

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS.

astral wing
humble mirage
#

If you link to the instructions we can tell you which channel you should be asking in

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(to get working with the AdaFruit stuff)

astral wing
humble mirage
#

Which bit are you stuck at?

agile gyro
astral wing
#

The instructions say I should click on hass.io tab to start installing. that tab doesnt exist. I've skipped ahead to trying to get ESPhome runing on my feather, but I cant open the USB serial port from my mac.

humble mirage
#

Which step?

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Don't assume we can guess

agile gyro
humble mirage
#

mDNS is fun

astral wing
humble mirage
#

That menu moved years ago

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Somewhere under Settings now

astral wing
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Yeah and "configurator" is now called "file editor". It's very frustrating trying to follow an online tutorial that hasn't been updated to the current state of things.

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Is there a channel for adafruit stuff?

humble mirage
astral wing
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thx

next maple
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Is there a way to fix this? I m running an openvpn server directly on the host os further its clean.... Im getting the message unhealty system not priveliged

humble mirage
#

Are you running Supervised or HAOS?

next maple
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Supervised

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On debian 12

#

Recently installed this openvpn server for outside network acces since its not available in the addon store sadly

#

It does not touch docker or other weird permissions thing so this is weird to me

humble mirage
#

Well, the requirements are quite clear that you can't run other software outside of add-ons

next maple
#

Is there a way to run custom docker containers from docker compose file?

humble mirage
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Not with Supervised

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Not with HAOS either

empty bloom
#

If you're comfortable doing that, just make an addon

next maple
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Would suck to lose the addons inside home assistant

humble mirage
empty bloom
#

@brisk willow made one so it can't be THAT hard

brittle sail
#

gottem'

next maple
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Well the docker images exist

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Just need a way to run them

raven forge
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But you also have to maintain it

raven forge
next maple
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Pritunl openvpn server

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They have a docker image available

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I m not that familiar with custom images can get them running but more then that is magic 😅

terse sigil
#

Hey Guys, I am trying to install HA on a Synology NAS using docker following the official instructions. I am stuck in the setup where you specify your location. It cant find my location because the request fails because of CORS (Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=berlin&format=jsonv2&limit=3&addressdetails=1&accept-language=en&email=abuse@home-assistant.io. (Reason: header ‘user-agent’ is not allowed according to header ‘Access-Control-Allow-Headers’ from CORS preflight response).

(I am accessing my NAS from my home Network (http://192.168.x.x:8123) could that be the Problem?

Any Idea how I can fix this or progress in the Setup?

terse sigil
#

Okay, that seemed to be a Firefox Problem. Chrome on Android had no Problems...

frank perch
empty veldt
#

what to do if homeassistant-superviced depends on systemd-resolved

#

and there is no package available for debian 11

humble mirage
#

You should be using Debian 12

empty veldt
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wtf?

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no you can't install !ANY! homeassistant-supervised on debian12

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configure script tells me debian bookworm is not supported

humble mirage
empty veldt
# 
 installed homeassistant-supervised package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 homeassistant-supervised
humble mirage
#

There's a long forum thread on it

empty veldt
#

ok would you please share the url?

humble mirage
#

The assumption in the requirements though is that you're an expert if you're going to use it

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
#

There, somewhere...

#

I don't memorise every one of the hundreds of thousands of topics

empty veldt
#

pullrequest incoming...

tender wren
#

Brace for impact!

empty veldt
#

haste dir das teil mal angeguckt? das ist grausam

frank perch
#

./giphy eats-popcorn

tender wren
raven forge
empty veldt
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@raven forge after the release of bookwork, i upgraded all my machines (webservers, hypervisors, vms etc.) among them was also the homeassistant-supervised instance. which was not supported until then.

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now i know the main issue is the "systemd-resolved" and the way the postins script exites after there is no systemd-resolved available

spiral stag
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I went on vacations for a week and during that time I lost access to my HA installed in my Pi. I have access to it at this moment after I disconnect it from the plug but I'm getting a lot of errors everywhere. For example, I noticed that I had a problem with my Tapo camera and so Frigate was not working. When I try to restart the addon, I get this message: Failed to restart add-on
500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.42/containers/addon_ccab4aaf_frigate/json: Internal Server Error ("readlink /mnt/data/docker/overlay2/: invalid argument")

empty veldt
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after i extracted the deb file and debugged the script, i noticed there is some problem with the systemd-journal-gatewayd.socket

spiral stag
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another example of an error, there is an update to Zigbee2MQTT and when I try to install it I get this popup in the bottom left corner of HA: Failed to call service update/install. connection lost

empty veldt
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so i purged the config and reinstalled the package! so the postinstall script exited with 0 and i was able to install the homeassistant-supervised in the newest version. AND tbh, it would be nice if the script would do something sensible with the exit codes, instead of pipe them to /dev/null... this would be save hundred of thousand forum topics!

spiral stag
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There are two updates for HA Core and HA Operating System, the first is from 2023.7.3 to 2023.8.1 and the second one is from 10.3 to 10.5. When I try to install any of those, it says "nstalling" and after a moment it stops and the updates are still there

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the same message shows up: Failed to call service update/install. connection lost

tawny mason
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When I try to "use an existing virtual hard disk file" when creating a Virtual machine on Virtualbox, and I try to to find the zip file from the website, I get this error: Failed to open the disk image file C:\Users\musta\Downloads\haos_ova-10.4.vdi.zip.

Could not get the storage format of the medium 'C:\Users\musta\Downloads\haos_ova-10.4.vdi.zip' (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED).

Result Code:VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0X80BB0005)
Component:MediumWrap
Interface:IMedium {ad47ad09-787b-44ab-b343-a082a3f2dfb1}
Callee:IVirtualBox {7682d5eb-f00e-44f1-8ca2-99d08b1cd607}
Callee RC:VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0X80BB0001)

empty veldt
tawny mason
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I tried that earlier and it wouldnt work but now it did lol

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Thanks

empty veldt
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i think that is the reason why i have to listen to "you're an expert if you're going to use it"

spiral stag
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any idea about the issues I'm having? It seems that nothing is working correctly. I didnt' made a single change to my HA for months

tender wren
spiral stag
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hmm ok. Is there something I can do to confirm that?

empty veldt
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@spiral stag check dmesg -T

tender wren
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Flash another SD with HAOS and restore a backup (you have a recent not corrupted one?) - if it runs without issues, the other SD is propably toast

spiral stag
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😦

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I made a complete reboot of HA and it's like 5min and it's not available

brittle sail
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Yet another pi victim

spiral stag
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Eventually it becomes available

spiral stag
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on that topic, if I'm understanding correctly... should I change my Pi for which solution?

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one of the things that I don't want is to have something that uses too much power. The idea of having a 24/7 device only works for me if it's not expensive

copper steppe
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In my experience, you'll have great results with a used small-form-factor PC, like a dell/lenovo/hp "litre class" box.

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Can get the from ebay for like $80

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I've got two of the lenovo thinkcentre m910q, and they're great (including remote management), but I'm sure the other brands are similar.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 link i've shared previously for an $80 mini pc "m910q" there are many variants on ebay for reasonable prices with 8gb ram or higher and 128gb ssd/nvme or bigger
Paste from SHS

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I like running proxmox on it natively (it's a virtualisation platform, allows you to run multiple things on the box), and running HAOS in a VM. But you can also install it bare-metal if you like

spiral stag
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I didn't have HAOS initially in my PI and I got many problems

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but having it in the VM is the same right?

copper steppe
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Basically yes. Tiny bit of overhead, but way more flexible, easier to manage, easier to backup. Can run lots of other things on your box...

spiral stag
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yes, that is great

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anyway, the Pi's are great but I see that I will run into these kind of issues again right?

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maybe my card is not so good also

copper steppe
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Pis are fine, but they are very low CPU power (so things are slower, and there are things you can't do). SD cards are super unreliable, and pi's are also very sensitive to power supply issues.

spiral stag
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ok thanks lyricnz

copper steppe
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I still use a pi to drive my 3d-printer, but my HA is now on a VM on my proxmox machines

spiral stag
#

at the price the pi's are, I can make the switch without paying more

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my only issue is really the power consumption

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it's at least twice the consumption of the pi

copper steppe
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I measured my box at about 8W, semi-idle (like HA).

spiral stag
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do you have frigate?

copper steppe
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It's less than a light-bulb. and about 1/400th of your AC

spiral stag
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well yes, of course. I'm just saying that the low consumption of the pi was a plus

copper steppe
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I don't have/use frigate, but it's pretty cpu intensive (unless you have accelerator). A SFF box can do a few cameras native, but uses lots of CPU

spiral stag
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I know that has more limitations

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maybe I get a google coral

copper steppe
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Yup, I understand. My internet connection (starlink) uses probably 5x my proxmox box in power.

tender wren
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If you want to stay with a Pi for now, you should at least consider a SSD and a powered USB hub for the SSD

copper steppe
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Yup

spiral stag
#

ok, again, thanks for your support. I will try to get the backups and try on another card and go from there

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(my HA is accesible now, ~15min later...)

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btw @tender wren, these are the backups I have

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hmm I can't put pictures here

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anyway, I have zigbee2mqtt, core, and other addons

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I don't think I have a complete backup of everything right?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

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Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

tender wren
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If you haven't created one, no. The backups on updates are partial ones

spiral stag
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my HA is not slow, I'm not sure if it's an sd card issue

tender wren
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If you haven't got a downloaded recent full beckup (you should always have one), you would have to create one (and hope nothing has been corrupted) and download that one asap

spiral stag
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the fact that it shows that popup "Failed to call service update/install" seems to be another thing

copper steppe
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And/or backup off the rpi (to google drive, a local file-server, etc)

spiral stag
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clicking on Grafana or Frigate on the left menu shows this: Unable to load the panel source: /api/hassio/app/entrypoint.js.

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this is really messed up :S

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Home Assistant observer
Supervisor: Disconnected

bright vortex
empty veldt
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   systemctl start systemd-resolved.service> /dev/null 2>&1;``` 🤦‍♂️
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that is like taping the check engine light...

frank perch
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people tape those? I thought you just unplugged em

empty veldt
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unplugged is with & instead of the pipe

brisk willow
brittle sail
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You’ve already been got

frank perch
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yeah he's old news

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he's been git got

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and his discord tag on github is wrong, what a noob.

bitter wind
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Working on moving over to a NUC. If I put my full back up on a USB stick will a new install HA be able to see it to pull the backup?

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^plugged into the NUC

low notch
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you restore it via webui (or smb if its larger)

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no need to plug the stick into the new machine

bitter wind
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Oh oh ok I think I get you. Plug it into the machine I'm using to get to the webui

frank perch
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yes

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sorry I'm attempting to eat dinner, but plug the usb into the machine you're browsing from and do yourself a favor and copy it to the machine, don't upload from the usb directly

bitter wind
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That makes sense. Migrating from a pi to a NUC. Ready to go just need to get up the nerve to shut down my PI to free it's IP address. I'll copy the backup to the workstation I will hit the webui from thanks

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That makes more sense than a USB stick

frank perch
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welcome to the big boys club

bitter wind
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Ya two years on pi and getting nervous for the SD card and my growing system

frank perch
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pfft, thems rookie numbers

bitter wind
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I just know the figuring out what USB port my z-wave stick is on is prob gonna be the only pissmeoff thing

brittle sail
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If it was configured correctly there will be no issues

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It probably wasn’t tho

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Dev/by-id not ttyusb0 etc

bitter wind
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Well it's gonna be moved to the NUC while diff port

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^thanks

brittle sail
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If it’s using the entire path it won’t have changed

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That’s the permanent id

bitter wind
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Oh damn. That's great

brittle sail
bitter wind
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Sweet appreciate it

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I'll check in in a bit

bitter wind
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Ugh. It asks if I want to wipe my system and restore this back up I confirm restore and nothing happens

copper steppe
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it takes some time, and the ui doesn't always refresh

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click the blobby dot thing to see logging

bitter wind
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The backup is a .tar file

pastel elm
bitter wind
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Blobby dot......

bitter wind
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She's alive!!!! Ok well mostly. My z-wave stick isn't being seen I'll have to find the port.

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O o o o! Z-wave stick found!

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Holy ... Thanks all! All good this is awesome!

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Any thoughts on what I should do with my pi4? 🤣

low notch
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birdnetpi, adsb receiver, camera, stream converter, oh so much

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you can also just put your zwave stick on it and place it better if suitable

bitter wind
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Ohh adsb... Nice.

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Ima look and see that or lightning tracker or software defined radio stuff but if not PIs are $ right now

humble mirage
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Thank you But I forgot to activate the

proper cedar
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hello i have an issue can someone help me, i have hassos on a raspberry pi 4 and it was working fine until suddently after a unplug and replug the raspberry pi the hassos is stuck on boot on "Waiting for the home assistant CLI to be ready" and its for hours soo nothing happens and i cant reach the raspberry pi over the internet

proper cedar
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arg i cant do anything

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even ctrl + alt + f2 doesnt work

tall silo
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any chance your sd-card didn't survive?

proper cedar
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am trying to mount it on a linux system to see

proper cedar
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in gparted

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it says unknown for everything exept hassos-boot in the file system column

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i guess i will just reinstall hassos on another sdcard and lost all my entire config

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💀

frank perch
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Backups are important.

proper cedar
frank perch
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Sometimes it takes great pain to forge a memory.

proper cedar
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exactly

frank perch
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I backup my haos to a nas, and I make copies of the vm image to another NAS

proper cedar
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but the thing is... what actually caused that ?

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am pretty sure the sd card is not dead

frank perch
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SD cards gonna SD card.

proper cedar
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jsut corrupted

proper cedar
frank perch
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I've had it happen to me at least 6 times since 0.69 or thereabouts

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We are on what 10.4 now...

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But the SD card corruption only bit me until version 6.0, then my rpi 1B+ was no longer supported by haos

proper cedar
humble mirage
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Corrupt SD cards happen all the time, a little power blip and away it goes

frank perch
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But I moved to a VM and now I hang with the big boys

humble mirage
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Dead SD cards also happen all the time, one bit too many written and kaboom

proper cedar
frank perch
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Yes power can cause it. Crappy PSU can cause it

proper cedar
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some peoples told me to put hassos on ssd on raspberry pi usb but... a ssd for this ? seriously ? idk

humble mirage
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A Pi .... power is the cause of 90% of problems

proper cedar
humble mirage
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If you attach anything to the USB ports you must invest in a powered USB hub

proper cedar
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no mobile usb power ?

frank perch
proper cedar
frank perch
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They are great to get started on

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But for longevity.... upgrade when you can

proper cedar
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mhh ok

shadow phoenix
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HA VENV on ubuntu server, just updated python to 3.11 and installed 2023.8.1 from 2023.7.3, and tried to restart. it immediately warns about the custom integrations, but after that nothing seems to be happening after that. Been waiting for half an hour at least. Is there something I have not noticed?

frank perch
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What the logs say?

humble scaffoldBOT
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Sadly we're not mind readers (any more anyway, not after the last time we tried). Please share the YAML and any errors so we can see what you've done.

shadow phoenix
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Only about the integrations. Is it perhaps trying to download something and not logging it?

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Started it again few minutes ago...

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2023-08-09 16:19:31.855 WARNING (SyncWorker_2) [homeassistant.loader] We found a custom integration sonoff which has not been tested by Home Assistant. This component might cause stability problems, be sure to disable it if you experience issues with Home Assistant

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nothing after that

frank perch
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What about host logs and core

shadow phoenix
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what do you mean?

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syslogs?

frank perch
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That was from the supervisor log

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In the log menu there's several options

shadow phoenix
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this venv installation, no supervisor here

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and no frontend is available since it hangs after those warnings

frank perch
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Oh I clearly need coffee I thought I read VM

shadow phoenix
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Should I change my logger: in configuration.yaml?

frank perch
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What is it set to now?

shadow phoenix
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ah. changed it to default: info

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It seems to be installing packages. I wonder how it is this slow...

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2023-08-09 16:32:55.168 INFO (SyncWorker_2) [homeassistant.util.package] Attempting install of SQLAlchemy==2.0.15

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but this slowness is not normal. might some kind of a dns issue I guess

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It seems that pip is veeery slow

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Ah. seems to be ipv6 related issue

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need to do sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1

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was not an issue earlier

tranquil holly
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Seems I'm still getting update issues involving sporadic 404 or 500 failures with pulling images from github. But this is new, the errors now show up in the Core log and popup and error. Before hand they were silent failures and only showed up in the supervisor log. I'll keep at my attempts, I know it works if I try enough times now, but it can be days of trying sometimes 😦

frank perch
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It's DNS issues if you're getting 500

tranquil holly
#

Indeed, when I had this issue on a similar non-HA project recently, it was resolved when I set my router to use the 1.1.1.1 dns servers from cloudflare. For some reason it doesn't seem to have resolved the issues on HA though, despite it reporting that it's using the correct dns server, so I've been assuming it is a different issue.

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Trying to run docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2023.08.1

First two attempts have insta resulted in a single line: Error response from daemon: Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": EOF

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Third attempt is downloading stuff with periodic failures. This is how I resolved it the last few times, just keep trying until it succeeds then hit the update button once I can see in terminal that it's downloaded.

frank perch
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You could try ha dns options --fallback=false

tranquil holly
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What is that doing exactly? 🙂

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I can indeed see from ha dns info that fallback is currently set to true

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Ah, second attempt at docker pull has succeeded, will try a quicky update in gui...

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Seems to be good, supervisor updated. I'll have a look into what this fallback does.

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Still not sure what the fallback does but leaving it on for now. One thing I have done though is added the cloudflare dns servers directly to home assistant, so now when I run ha dns info it reports - dns://1.1.1.1 and - dns://1.0.0.1 in both the locals and servers sections. I'll see if I see any improvement having done that now and if not I'll try turning off the fallback thingy 🙂

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Whelp, just tried to update an addon and same problem occured, I suppose I'll try killing the fallback.

frank perch
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It forces cloudflare dns when the ones you have set aren't working properly

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It 'falls back' to cloudflare

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So your setting it to cloudflares dns servers means its the primary and the 'fall back' that's all

placid sage
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basically i restarted my home assistant. Tried to go to that url i made with duckdns but it says site can not be reached

humble mirage
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Can you access it using https:// and your LAN IP/port?

placid sage
humble mirage
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No

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The HA IP

placid sage
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I have tried that

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with port 8123 but nothing

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perhaps i set something up wrong @_@

humble mirage
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And https?

placid sage
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i believe so

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i'm not sure. i just followed the whole tutorial

crude inlet
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i mean, you either used http or https

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to access it in your browser

placid sage
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oh

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yes i have tried that

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with https:// in the beginning

humble mirage
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https://192.168.0.42:8123/

placid sage
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nothing

humble mirage
#

Did you at least set up SSH access?

placid sage
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shit lol

crude inlet
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and when using http:// it's also nothing?

placid sage
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i don't think so

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yes

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im not even sure what ssh is tbh.. i really shouldn't have dabled into something i wasn't sure about

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I am pretty new to ha i apologize!

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i installed duckdns and did everything in that tutorial. Once i restarted home assistant i couldn't access it again

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on my phone though it select your home assistant server and it has the address put for duckdns

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welp i guess im screwed. What do i do at this point? as my automations are still running

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am i better off just reinstalling home assistant? This whole thing happened because all i was trying to do was add smartthings into home assistant. I guess i'm better off just leaving it.

humble mirage
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Do you have a keyboard and monitor you can connect?

placid sage
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Yes

placid sage
humble mirage
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Well, the web UI doesn't work, you said

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You didn't set up SSH either

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So .... connect a keyboard and monitor

placid sage
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oh..

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im a have one connected to my pc

placid sage
humble scaffoldBOT
#

@chilly basin When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
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"A" computer?

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You need the keyboard and monitor connected to the HA computer

placid sage
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oh

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so the vm on my nas then

humble mirage
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Great, then you have a console already

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Use it 😉

placid sage
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right haha 😂

humble mirage
#

You're not locked out while you can access the console

placid sage
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Before I plug the keyboard into the nas that is?

humble mirage
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@placid sage

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And ... your NAS should give you a way of accessing the VM's console

placid sage
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oh, i apologize

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it says running

humble mirage
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Right... now go looking for the console

placid sage
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um

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how exactly?

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it shows the ip, but i cant connect to it

humble mirage
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I googled for you

placid sage
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so basically create a new virtual machine with home assistant and delete the existing one?

humble mirage
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What?

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Dude

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Did you try reading that page?

placid sage
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i'm gonna be honest i have no idea what i'm doing

humble mirage
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Yeah, you need to learn

placid sage
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i did this

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came up with like ipv4 address and home assistant url

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http:/homeassistant.local:8123

humble mirage
#

Well, I know nothing about your VM platform, so all I can do is point you at the docs and hope you can follow them

placid sage
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no worries

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i understand

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i wish i wasnt so bad at networking

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things just dont work. seems you have to be almost a network engineer to understand some of this stuff

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When you open a port on your router are you supposed do something else after that?

humble mirage
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This isn't networking 😉

humble mirage
placid sage
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literally all i did was open port to internet. assign static ip in ha. Installed duckdns and added external/internal urls in config.yaml then just restarted ha. next thing you know i can't connect

humble scaffoldBOT
placid sage
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with my low networking knowledge i probably have to just delete the virtual machine and start all over.

humble mirage
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You should always do that after touching YAML

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Also, the URLs can be set in the UI - and should be

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The only bit you have to edit YAML for is for SSL

placid sage
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oh

humble mirage
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Good news, YouTube videos are often horribly outdated and misleading

placid sage
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not sure what that is, again i just followed a tuturial lol

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yeah i agree

humble mirage
#

However, HA should have come back up, even with broken YAML

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This is where the console would help you, a lot

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As would SSH

placid sage
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i apologize for my ignorance, but what is ssh exactly? is it similar to command prompt on windows??

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is it just a command line?

raven forge
placid sage
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so basically just a networking command line essensially

humble mirage
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Yes

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A secure way of doing that

placid sage
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i see

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how do i install it

humble mirage
#
  1. Have a working HA
placid sage
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right that would help lol

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also ha will come back up, but doesnt mean i can access it

humble mirage
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If it came back up you'd be able to access it

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You can't access it with either http or https so it didn't come back up

placid sage
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oh

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RIP

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so what does that mean exactly

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if it doesn't come back up

raven forge
#

How did you create the VM?

humble mirage
#

NAS

placid sage
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synology

crude inlet
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@placid sage You probably entered something bad enough to break it

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configuration.yaml

placid sage
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probably

humble mirage
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(which takes some doing)

placid sage
#

well i checked it

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it didnt give me any errors

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on the config.yaml

crude inlet
#

Then the IP address you think it has might not be the one that really is?

raven forge
#

Can't you click connect in synology's GUI to access the "console" of the VM?

placid sage
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i did

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but i try to connect to that ip

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it wont let me for some reason

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unless its something on my router i did wrong

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i'm using ubiquiti and it's extremely confusing

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note to self - don't install duckdns without knowing what im doing 😆

humble mirage
#

Well, knowing how to access your host with the web UI down is the key

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The console will work, if you can work out how

placid sage
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that i have no clue how to do. I'd assume id connect a keyboard to my nas run something in a command line or something lol

crude inlet
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No. You have access to the Synology UI, right?

placid sage
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i do yes

crude inlet
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The VM manager should offer a console for the vm

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Maybe it says terminal instead of console? I don't know

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It would be in the details of the VM

placid sage
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The host name

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oh you mean like an actual command line in the synology?

crude inlet
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Highlight the vm. Click connect?

placid sage
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yeah i've done this

crude inlet
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And...

placid sage
crude inlet
#

Yeah, thats the host console

placid sage
#

it also shows the ipv4 address

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and observer url or something

crude inlet
#

Yep

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Type ha logs

placid sage
#

but yeah i cant really connect to it. or can i?

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okay

crude inlet
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Sorry core logs

placid sage
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error unknown command logs for ha

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okay

#

bunch of errors

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i'm not sure why its showing errors for esphome and everything presence one sensors

humble mirage
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Probably because you messed up the YAML

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(and by probably I mean you did)

placid sage
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never trusting youtube again 😭

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Esphome dashboard data: cannot connect to host 127.0.0.1:64878

humble mirage
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core check

placid sage
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command completed successfully

frank perch
placid sage
#

next time i should just ask on the discord lol

frank perch
#

infact lots of guides are as well

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it's hard enough for the guys to keep the HA docs up to date in line with changes

frank perch
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you read, you tried, you failed, you asked for help

placid sage
placid sage
frank perch
#

yes, and that's a good thing

placid sage
#

but failed

frank perch
#

also a good thing

#

experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want 😉

placid sage
#

would have been nice if i didn't fail tho 😂

frank perch
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yes but then you wouldn't know how not to configure duckdns

placid sage
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i still don't know how to configure it LOL

frank perch
#

yes but you know at least one way that doesn't work

placid sage
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true

frank perch
#

beats trying the same guide over and over and getting the same results

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😉

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which I have done

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😛

placid sage
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i assume at this point my only option is to delete the vm

frank perch
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i wouldn't say your only option

placid sage
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and reinstall home assistant since i screwed up the yaml file

frank perch
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but it might be faster

placid sage
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o

placid sage
frank perch
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but that being said I've reinstalled many times when I could have just figured it out with some patience

placid sage
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for me there's no way haha

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i really should have went to school for this stuff

frank perch
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when there is an angry lady who can't turn the lights on, reinstall is faster

placid sage
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haha

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honestly it probably is faster at this point

frank perch
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go for it