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drifting bluff
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@grand pivot I extracted the homeassistant.tar.gz to my config directory, made sure the permissions are correct and it still isnt showing inside the backups to be able to restore from. Did I miss something?

grand pivot
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You already restored it

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What more are you trying to do?

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You cannot restore from within HA with a docker install, but you already says you did it

drifting bluff
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Huh? I haven't restored yet, that is the problem.

humble mirage
grand pivot
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That

drifting bluff
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it didnt restore anything though. nothing has been restored, down to the users I had.

humble mirage
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Did you have HA stopped?

drifting bluff
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yes.

grand pivot
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The you didn't map that directory properly

upper lily
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Is there anyone here who can help with telling me how to get HA to listen on port 8123? I had a power hit and had to reboot my VM and now it is not listening on port 8123 but the observer port is working.

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Is there a service that can be restarted?

hexed mirage
pale heath
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How to specify the integrated brand logo in manifest.json?

humble mirage
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How to specify the integrated brand logo

dire bough
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How can I log whats going wrong with trying to install integrations via HACS

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I get stuck here

humble mirage
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Well, HACS is just a downloader, all it does is download files

dire bough
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(i get stuck when I press download)

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it just keeps spinning

humble scaffoldBOT
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If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

humble mirage
dire bough
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yeah, I didn't want to disrupt the chat that is happening there

humble mirage
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It's still the right channel

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And if you wanted, you could start a thread

random coral
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Anyone tried packaging HA to work in Start9 (old Embassy OS) environment yet?

low notch
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looks just like another docker supervisor

random coral
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Most likely yes. Gonna try it on that basis

crude niche
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I've been trying to switch the system to debian 12 for a couple of hours now and I'm starting to get a headache

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I have a problem during installation
For some reason I’m losing my internet connection, but I’m connected on the local network

wget https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer/releases/latest/download/homeassistant-supervised.deb
apt install ./homeassistant-supervised.deb

I am getting an error

Connecting to github.com (github. com)|140.82.121.4|:443… failed: No route to host.

And since then I have no access to the internet, did the dns settings get messed up… I’m not sure

To fix all this, I have to restart the network settings using the commands that chatGPT wrote for me

versed vapor
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That's usually not all that helpful

crude niche
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😦

versed vapor
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This seems somewhat like an issue with your host and not ha

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One of my vm migrations killed networking aswell. Restoring a backup and trying again did resolve it rather nicely

crude niche
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It is..
HA is not installed yet

I followed the installation instructions fro mgithub page

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Maybe it's a problem with Debian 12

Did I miss some step?

versed vapor
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It's likely an issue in how you did the migration if we exclude a temporary failure on gh

crude niche
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In the instructions it said that debian 12 is supported
That's why I decided to install it

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its fresh instalation at all

humble mirage
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Supervised ... is a big trap

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Supervised assumes that you're a Linux guru

crude niche
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last time it was 15 minutes work

humble mirage
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Is this a fresh Debian 12 install, or an upgrade from 11 to 12?

crude niche
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fresh

humble mirage
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Then I'd head over to the Debian forums/IRC and get help getting the install working

brittle sail
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Irc?!

versed vapor
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Debian isn't a place of Twitter

humble mirage
brittle sail
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Would it help if he slapped himself around a bit with a large trout just to prepare?

humble mirage
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IRC

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IRC is just like Discord, but without the same level of corporate idiocy

brittle sail
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I suppose there’s good reasoning for using a foss tool not nsa backdoored discord disco

versed vapor
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Maybe installing haos would be better if he is setting up a VM anyway

humble mirage
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100%

crude niche
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should i try to download manually instead of using wget?

humble mirage
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There's no sane reason to use Supervised if you're using a VM

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There's barely any sane reason to use Supervised at all

crude niche
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I use a very old laptop that serves as a server

versed vapor
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Virtualization is supposed for over a decade now by pretty much anything

brittle sail
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Right the point is it’s less overhead and simpler with haos in a vm regardless

crude niche
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intel dual core 2GB drr3...

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naahh..

brittle sail
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Could be worse

buoyant marlin
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hello I get This stops working in version 2023.12.0. Please address before upgrading. but there is no other information what wil stop working?

humble mirage
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You've checked the breaking changes section of the release notes?

grand pivot
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There really has to be more there, but you may need to look at the full log to see it

orchid pebble
bronze sequoia
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Hello guys, i have an i7 8gb ram windows 10 laptop that I want to use for home assistant, and some reddit posts mentioned using docker and various Linux distros

But if I'm using docker anyway, why wud i need Linux, whats the disadvantage of using windows in terms of docker+home assistant

Because my younger sibling would like to use the windows laptop for his schoolnstuff occasionaly I'd prefer having windows

empty bloom
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however, there may be issues with it and hardware

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You should be able to sort that out though yourself

bronze sequoia
empty bloom
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Just keep in mind that HA Container will not have Addons or Supervisor

empty bloom
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I use docker on windows to develop HA, works fine for the most part

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haven't ran into any severe issues

bronze sequoia
empty bloom
tender wren
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Running HAOS in a VirtualBox might be an alternative 🤔

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Oh... too late again 😆

empty bloom
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🤣

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I recommend avoiding HyperV

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maybe it's gotten better in hte last 3 years but most likely not

bronze sequoia
bronze sequoia
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Basically making it server-ish

tender wren
raven forge
bronze sequoia
raven forge
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No I mean a different device other than your laptop. Something than can stay on and serve. Server as in hardware.

empty bloom
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Yeah, it’s pretty cheap to do

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eBay, you can get a pretty beefy old work desktop for cheap

bronze sequoia
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Well i just thought i had a capable machine thats gonna barely be used so why not

bronze sequoia
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My budgets extremely tight as of now too so i wasn't planning on purchasin new hardware

low notch
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the reason to use linux is performance, while you can run ha and plex both in vms on windows you will have a much much better time using these services when hosted on linux

empty bloom
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just compare specs to a pi4

bronze sequoia
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Alright il check it out

empty bloom
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it'll be easy to get a better PC than a pi4, but the price will be about the same when all said and done

low notch
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he's got a perfectly fine old laptop ?

empty bloom
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and it'll most likely come with windows

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He want's to use the laptop as a laptop though

low notch
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oh

empty bloom
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by all means, you can host a VM on the laptop, but he said it was 'unclean' above

bronze sequoia
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I dont mind using a vm

empty bloom
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so, just offering possible solutions

low notch
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yep, don't do it

bronze sequoia
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I just felt it was " unnatural" , if that makes sense,

empty bloom
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🤷‍♂️

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unnatural is running HA on any form of windows 😉

bronze sequoia
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That's true, my first choice wud always be Linux : )

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What about running windows as a vm

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On Linux?

empty bloom
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not sure, never done that

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no matter, even if you run linux as the host OS, you'll still need a vm for HassOS

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HA "the easy way" is operating system and all on 1 machine

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no vm, just HA

low notch
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if you manage to pass through a gpu you can use the laptop with windows as guest os yes (depends on iommu and your display/hdmi wiring. sometimes laptop manufacturers pass dgpus through igpus)

raven forge
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I don't see anything wrong with running HAOS in a VM on windows but you should leave the lapton on, of course. Windows itself in a VM is likely not that responsive. HAOS being slower will hurt less

bronze sequoia
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Thanks for all the inputs guys, I'll let yall know what i finally end up doing. Thanks

mellow aurora
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Why can't i post images?

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

timber portal
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Hey all,
I'm about to migrate from debian based VM with supervisor setup into HaOS setup based on proxmox. The migration iteself was easy, but I cant push my USB devices (Zwave stick & Zigbee stick) into the HaOS VM.
When I add the USB device on Proxmox level, nothing happens in the VM. lsusb as well as dmesg dont say anything. The debian VM setup before easily detected the USB sticks and work flawlessly in homeassistant.
Anyone an idea what this might be related to?
Thanks for your help and ideas

humble mirage
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You may need to restart the VM, depending on how you mapped the devices

humble scaffoldBOT
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Hardware

Open your Home Assistant instance and show hardware information

humble mirage
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Also, look there

timber portal
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thanks for your swift reply. When looking within Homeassistant, I can only see the USB host controller. And looking for tty's, there are only the virtual ones /dev/ttyS0 to 4.

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I also restarted the VM and the whole proxmox server already

tender wren
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And you have properly set up the USB passthrough in Proxmox?

timber portal
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the same way as it worked in the debian VM before.

tender wren
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The Debian VM was also hosted in Proxmox or has Debian been the host ("hypervisor")?

timber portal
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nope. The debian setup before was also on the same Proxmox host.

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The USB devices are plugged into Proxmox and USB passthrough adds them to the VMs

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worked flawlessly in the setup before.

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but does not on the HaOS based setup I deplyed today.

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importing the backup and all worked nicely. All other intergrations come up and continued to work. Including all the addons, HACS, etc

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just the USB passthough is no joy

tender wren
timber portal
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did a fresh reboot of Proxmox server, then started the HaOS VM, ssh'ed into VM and checked dmesg
Then added the USB and ran dmesg once more. Theres not a single line added to dmesg when I added the hardware

tender wren
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Did you reboot the HAOS VM after adding the USB device?

timber portal
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your install howto is referencing exactly what I did

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I think I rebooted adter adding the hardware. Will do once more

tender wren
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HAOS is sometimes a bit picky with hotplugging

timber portal
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thanks for the hint. Another reboot after adding the USB devices did the trick.

quaint bolt
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"have you tried turning it off then on again." A bit of advice I hate, but still use as it works a bunch.

timber portal
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yeah, sometimes its the easy things. since there was no issues with hotplugging on debian it was a bit off to reboot so often. Specially looking at the linux side of things, a reboot isnt needed for most of the stuff. For windows, I'm with you.

raven forge
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Was the usb option orange by any chance?

timber portal
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in Proxmox? no, there wasnt anything obvious

bitter oak
humble mirage
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You should just be pulling homeassistant

bitter oak
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i read this, but i dont think that i must do anything, because i click upgrade in webui

humble mirage
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Are you running HAOS, or native Docker, or Supervised?

bitter oak
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supervised on ubuntu 20.04

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on lxc 😉

humble mirage
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WTF

brittle sail
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bah god

humble mirage
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I'm out

brittle sail
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why do you hate yourself

bitter oak
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because i need share my only one GPU in other lxc

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i cannot install this on qemu

humble mirage
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Right, but HAOS would be smarter there

brittle sail
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gpu for what?

humble mirage
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Supervised on Ubuntu is ... not smart

bitter oak
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image recognition

brittle sail
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yesterday i suggested he take a backup and restore from backup on latest stable

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i still stand by that

humble mirage
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And by not smart mean ... fecking terrible idea

brittle sail
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you use frigate right?

bitter oak
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i do backup and zfs snasphot 😉

brittle sail
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intel cpu by chance? from the last 10 years?

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i am using no gpu with frigate and 9 cameras with a used laptop with an 8th gen intel i7

bitter oak
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yes, intel with support for this. I use synology and i need to detection faces on synology photos

brittle sail
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oh faces

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either way

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take a backup, stop your demon spawn lxc, install haos vm, restore from backup, profit

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and maybe pray to jebus to cleanse your soul if that is applicable

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also you'll definitely need to fix broken shit

bitter oak
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hmmm, but this image with qemu in name havent any qemu in processes

humble mirage
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If you're running Supervised you shouldn't be manually pulling anything

bitter oak
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and i dont pull manyally anything, i click upgrade in gui

humble mirage
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Then leave it to do what it wants

bitter oak
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yes, all works

humble mirage
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You should follow the instructions

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They exist for a reason

bitter oak
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of course. In other tabs they told to run on operating system, and i do this and work

humble mirage
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And those other tabs are for other install methods

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So, yes, the instructions are different because HA is installed differently

bitter oak
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but this bash script is smart

humble mirage
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If you don't want to listen, why are you asking?

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Did you just want to be told that you were right?

bitter oak
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ohhh, nevermind...

bitter oak
humble cosmos
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Hi, I have an Odroid N2+ and i want to run a domotique box (to manage ESP01 and ESP32 devices) but also to run a Jellyfin server. So I installed Ubuntu Server on it and installed Home Assistant through docker and jellyfin, it works very well. BUT... I cannot use addons, especially ESPHOME. I've read that only HA OS and HA supervised support addons. So i wonder which os i should install

  • HAOS but does jellyfin server will works ?
  • Ubuntu server with Home assistant docker. I will easily run jellyfin but can i manage my ESP01 without addons ... ?
  • something esle that i don't already know... ?
humble mirage
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Add-ons aren't special, the world exists outside of them

brittle sail
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they feel special 😦

humble mirage
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ESPHome existed long before add-ons

brittle sail
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at least the ingress stuff

humble mirage
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ESPHome is used by many people that don't even use HA

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They have no add-ons

brittle sail
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yea i understand

crude inlet
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The ESPHome website has alternate instructions for installing and running it

bitter oak
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xD, if you want to use addons you should use HAOS (maybe in QEMU). Dont do it like me

humble mirage
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There's a very popular mis-conception that add-ons are somehow the only way of doing things... I suspect somebody's got an amazing marketing team to have pulled that off

tender wren
brittle sail
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the only marketing team i see for hass is the sellout youtubers that grift off the community instead of being a part of it

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although there are some exceptions

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it would be nice if we had more fine-grained control with haos like pinning cores etc though

bitter oak
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and mode to enable debug by change entrypoint to /bin/sh

brittle sail
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addons with support for macvlan/ipvlan

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that kind of thing

brittle sail
bitter oak
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i found bug in double-take when load some .yaml

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i must create my own docker to dbeug this... only for change entrypoint

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with killing container you canot found this...

tender wren
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I think it needs a selfdestruct button - just in case it becomes sentient

brittle sail
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isnt that what kill 9 is for?

hollow fjord
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Ok. I'm getting frustrated. I can't get frigate to work on hassos, keeps giving me numpy errors (I can share the log if wanted), and trying to install core just fails spectactularily.

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All I want is frigate in hass

humble mirage
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#cameras-archived can help with Frigate stuff, whether that's the add-on or the integration

versed vapor
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if i want to move haos from one to another proxmox host, do i need to transfer the efi disk aswell as the data one?

low notch
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you can leave the efi disk away afaik, as long as you create a new one

fallow slate
tender wren
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If your plan is not to install HAOS and you really just want to use the core container, you should check the prerequisites. If they are met, yes

fallow slate
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Haos is home assistant + add-on ?
Actually, i would like Home assistant in my raspberry, be able to use the HA interface in my principal computer and connect the home assistant to my stream deck

If you say me just Home assistant is good enough so tell me please

tender wren
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HAOS is the operating system which also includes add-ons. It is a beginner friendly solution, as all necessary updates are provided for the user.

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If you are an advanced user and confident to use docker for "everything" (as there are no add-ons), you have more access to the OS - but you have care yourself for updating required software (e.g. a new Python version) on new HA releases

fallow slate
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Hum I think i prefere HAOS
but if I choose this option, i think it's not possible to put it on docker
I had to install a VM on my raspberry no ?

tender wren
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Usually you install HAOS instead of another OS (like Raspberry OS).

fallow slate
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Oh I see
but i need raspberry os because i also want to put discord bot in my raspberry for let them running 24 hours a day

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Or i did'nt know if its possible but can I put HAOS on a USB key and i use discord bot in the sd card with raspberry OS ?
can it run like that ?

tender wren
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No. Unfortunately not

fallow slate
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Oh, ok 😦
any solution(s) ?

tender wren
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Your Docker approach might be a solution for your usecase. But maybe someone else has a better idea

fallow slate
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ok, In such cases, I keep it in Stand by for the moment, wating for suggestions
but in docker solution can I have access to the home assistant in my main computer ?

tender wren
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You would need to use your (main) computer's browser to access the user interface - if that's what you meant

fallow slate
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Yes i think it will not disturb me 😄

jaunty skiff
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Hi, I am new to HA and trying to learn how it works. I recently installed it on my old Raspberry Pi3. But now I want to install HA docker instance with existing data. How can I export/import existing date from my current HA instan e to the new instance?

raven forge
grand pivot
raven forge
jaunty skiff
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@raven forge When I create a backup, does create backup of the entire HA or just the data?

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@grand pivot thank you for the suggestion that's a good option, but I want to just take back up of my configuration and data.

grand pivot
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that's what that does

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you can see what's in the backup. it's your config directory, which you use directly in a docker install, and any addon config, which you won't get in a docker install and can ignore

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we're saying the same thing

jaunty skiff
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Ok thanks for the clarification

raven forge
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The addon backups might still come handy for later if you try to replicate them as standalone docker containers

brittle sail
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Moving off haos?! Who could do such a thing

fallow slate
upper lily
raven forge
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What do the supervisor logs say? What does the error say?

hexed mirage
raven forge
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Do you mean supervised?

raven cape
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Hey, i am using docker on an RPi3 with Portainer. Now the latest release keeps crashing my HA (container still running but nothing works and the web interface does not load any more).
How can i downgrade to 2023.06?

raven forge
raven cape
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so i just add that in the template?

raven forge
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Not sure what you mean with template

humble mirage
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Portainer does weird shit, it's fine 😛

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Portainer is also known to cache stuff it shouldn't, causing problems, but this probably isn't one of those cases

raven cape
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Portainer->local->App Templates->custom template
Thats what i use to deploy. I guess i should lern to use docker compose on the console and not tinker in portainer?

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And yes it works thx

raven forge
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That seems to just be a portainer managed compose file. If it works for you it's probably fine. You should probably use stacks though

raven cape
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It creates a stack when i deploy it from there. I will go investigate more. and its holding up for more then 10 minutes now and was able to make a backup so the issue seems to be in the HA Version. I will try a later stable when its out.

quick ocean
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Hope for some clarification. I’m running a test HA container on a pi4 with docker. When I stop the container will I be able to add ekstra commands/options next time I start the container again. E.g. chance port (-p) or volumen (-v) ?

raven forge
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Don't see why not. Containers are ephemeral. I'd recommend using a compose file though

quick ocean
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Thx. Next is to learn more about composer files. All is new to me

raven forge
humble mirage
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Composerize is dead handy. I know how to write compose files and I still use it ablobjoy

versed vapor
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It's has some trouble with argument conversion

raven forge
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Why I linked both 🙂

twin jetty
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I installed HASS in proxmox but have issues with proxmox crashing which require a hard reset. Did anyone else experience this? It seems to be related to my NIC

humble mirage
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Well, if Proxmox is crashing you probably want to ask on their forums

versed vapor
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A nic that crashes the system? Sounds mediatek

raven forge
twin jetty
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Will do, just wanted to check in here since many use proxmox for HASS

versed vapor
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Works just fine as any other vm

twin jetty
twin jetty
versed vapor
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What kind of shenanigan nic is a delock

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But really as mentioned, ask on the proxmox forums

twin jetty
rancid merlin
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is the best way to update just click update when it says one is available in the notifications, or is there a better way to do that?

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it seems like it's just spinning the progress bar and I don't know if it's actually doing anything

humble mirage
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That works, though you should read any release notes first

rancid merlin
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that makes sense

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I hit update and the was reading while updating

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but now that you mention it that could be the wrong order

humble mirage
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Well, you'll be fine right up until you hit a breaking change

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But you do take backups first, don't you 😉

rancid merlin
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yeah I have that box checked

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I'm still in what I would call the "getting my feet wet" stage

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so backups are on the list to learn about

neon grove
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I would recommend moving them to the TOP of the list.

cloud sphinx
versed vapor
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its not u but r

cloud sphinx
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ok thanks 🙂

versed vapor
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where did you find that other link? maybe someone can update it idk

cloud sphinx
grand pivot
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There are buttons at the bottom of the page to suggest edits

jaunty skiff
grand pivot
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Where did you download it?

jaunty skiff
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I couldn't find how to download the backup. But now I found it.

sudden junco
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Setting up a new install on a Pi for a friend and was thinking about using HA-OS since it sounds nifty but safe to assume I should do Supervisor, if I want to also set it up for Pi-hola?

deft rover
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Hey, Im running HA in a VM (KVM, QEMU and LibVirt), Would it be unwise to use memballooning for the HA vm?

hollow fjord
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Would STILL love to see a progress indicator on the restore... lol

ruby grove
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Hello friends, hope you are doing well, I recently tried to restore a backup on my NUC and unfortunately it doesn't work. I wait over 2h and nothing got restored
.. Got on github to see if anybody else experience the same.. And yes to much to look into, is there someone with a simple answer? 😊

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And another thing, my HASS config is now over 2.6gb that doesn't seam to be healthy.. How to purge or clean up the system... I think that's a lot.. And never was over 300mb it's only about 6 months that it begon to grow like that

copper steppe
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You probably have an integration that’s writing lots of sensor data. Like every second etc.

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You should check logs. Good chance it has worked but ui is stuck

ruby grove
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I see I will investigate that

copper steppe
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You can select / group by in the db too see which sensors. But I’m afk so can’t provide sql

ruby grove
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The knowledge is my problem, I'm not that specialized.. I will try to find it out

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I found some esphome related stuff that makes a big database

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The Hass db v2 is over 7gb 😳😳

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Maybe that's also the problem with the restoring

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Found the problem I will write a github entry.

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It's a costum component in my esphome config for the nspanel from sonoff

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How can I earase the bad entry's? 🤔

ruby grove
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I see that there is a service call purge, but in the docs I can't really understand how that would work immediately

humble cosmos
tender wren
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Yes, you can

crude inlet
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I think there won't be the update notifications as there would for the addon but otherwise you use ESPHome to create ESPHome devices and you add those devices to HA the same way

graceful galleon
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Having difficulty with installing 19.0.34 on TrueNAS Scale. Trying to get the supervised version (core install worked fine). If I use a host path in the storage settings I'm getting this error: Error: [EINVAL] values.persistence.config.autoPermissions.chmod: Value does not match '[0-9]{3}' pattern

copper ledge
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Hi, how simple is it to create a user account (for my wife) in HA core and thst she has her own dashboard?

neon grove
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Go into Settings Users and set up a user. Once the app is installed use the option to select the dashboard she wants to use.

copper ledge
ruby grove
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Question 🙋, could I erase the db in hassos and restart? Would the db be write again?

humble mirage
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If you delete it and restart then you'll get a fresh database on startup

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It's really hard to not have a database, if that's the question

brittle sail
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if your db is ballooning you should figure out what is causing that tho

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like incorrect logger setup in configuration.yaml

humble mirage
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Well, not logger

brittle sail
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i fucked mine up with logger :x

humble mirage
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logger is for the log file, not the database

brittle sail
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ah okay

ruby grove
#

Recorder

brittle sail
#

then i fucked up my log file a long time ago

humble mirage
#

I mean... it's in the name 😛

brittle sail
#

been a while

ruby grove
#

That's exactly what's going on.. 😳 And I found today a parasite in my config

brittle sail
#

fun

ruby grove
#

No

brittle sail
#

so it was actually logger and the log file or db and recorder?

ruby grove
#

Db recorder

brittle sail
#

easy fix tho

ruby grove
#

The db is ballooning to 7gb

humble mirage
#

You can exclude entities

ruby grove
brittle sail
#

that too

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
#

Just exclude the noisy ones

ruby grove
#

🤔

#

I need to check that absulutly

brittle sail
#

i had to remove some mqtt stuff from spamming my logbook too

#

like every 3d printer would update the time til it finished every second lol

ruby grove
#

Yes

#

That's the next thing, got some MQTT things to that I need to stop spamming

brittle sail
#

ye one step at a time

ruby grove
#

So basically just that I can work again I should delete the home-assistant v2.db and then restart?

#

No freez no bootloop?

humble mirage
#

Sure

ruby grove
#

🤔

brittle sail
#

No but you can back it up if it makes you feel better

ruby grove
#

Seams logic

humble mirage
#

You do want to exclude the noisy entities though, or you'll be here again

brittle sail
#

Lol

ruby grove
#

I know I found some parasites form a esphome config that I made

#

😅

#

1ms thing

#

😆

brittle sail
#

Been there

ruby grove
#

Forgot some 000000

brittle sail
#

It’s easy to copy paste a template of working code and later realize the guy you copied it from might not be the best source lol

ruby grove
#

😅 The guy is a good one but I was bad

#

Thanks for everything

fallow slate
#

Hey, I installed Home assistant on my raspberry with docker
i am trying to acces to my interface on a computer but it's not accessible

humble mirage
#

How did you do that? docker run, compose files, portainer, something else?

brittle sail
#

ya prob not running or some configuration issue

humble mirage
#

Well, that won't work

brittle sail
#

or you didnt give it long enough to be up

#

oh cuz no supervisor on docker

#

sad

humble mirage
#

You're having a really bad brain day here

#

So many pieces of wrong advice after you failed to read 😛

brittle sail
#

does observer not exist on docker installs?

humble mirage
#

No

#

Why would it?

#

It's a separate container, for the Supervisor

brittle sail
#

it's a tool i use and other use, so i expected it to be built in and not a part of supervisor

#

i now know that isnt the case

humble mirage
#

@fallow slate are you still here?

How did you do that? docker run, compose files, portainer, something else?

fallow slate
humble mirage
#

Ok, so ... docker run?

#

Compose files?

#

Both are on that page

fallow slate
#

docker run

humble mirage
#

And exactly what command line did you use?

#

(also, compose files are a better approach)

fallow slate
#

Just install docker and I does

docker run -d \
  --name homeassistant \
  --privileged \
  --restart=unless-stopped \
  -e TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE \
  -v /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config \
  --network=host \
  ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable```
and done
humble mirage
#

Oh... my ... ablobjoy

#

You're supposed to replace both PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG and MY_TIME_ZONE

#

The docs call those out as things to do

#

Try with actual valid values for both. If you don't already have a place to store all your docker files maybe something like /data/homeassistant

fallow slate
#

I does Time zone
I forget The path
It on my raspberry files ?

humble mirage
#

Well, you haven't got a working install yet

#

Though this'd be a good time to start using compose files

#

Then you can just docker compose up -d

fallow slate
#

OK i will retry

humble mirage
#

On a Pi4 expect it to take maybe 5 minutes to start so that you can reach the UI, a little longer on a Pi3

#

Anything below a Pi3 will take longer, and in the case of a Pi/Pi Zero it may take many hours

ruby grove
#

Henlo, another question 🙋, does anyone have the same issue with restoring backups? 🤔

brittle sail
#

You is Doggo?

#

Did you reboot after a successful restore? What’s your issue?

ruby grove
#

I'm on Prox with a VM but just wanted to test if it works to restore my instance on a NUC and it just does nothing.. Niet. Just goes Black 🖤

#

The NUC is no more available it rests on the network but nothing more

#

No response

brittle sail
#

I ran into that when playing on proxmox and i think it ended up being cuz I had a static ip set and router already had a lease for another MAC on that ip from my main hass instance

ruby grove
#

I thought the same with the network

#

I reserved some adresses

#

And i know that I have done it before..

#

I will mess up with my network tomorrow I don't want that my wife kills me tonight

#

🤣

#

But what is strange is that I restart the NUC it seams that he's done nothing 🤔 I can't remember if that was the same the first time I dit that migration

fallow slate
#

so @humble mirage i tryed with DOCKER COMPOSE and compose.yml

version: '3'
services:
  homeassistant:
    container_name: homeassistant
    image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"
    volumes:
      - /home/bryan/Documents/homeAssistant:/config
      - /etc/Europe/Paris:/etc/Europe/Paris:ro
    restart: unless-stopped
    privileged: true
    network_mode: host

and its the same 😦

manic bane
#

I imagine its because you named it compose.yml not docker-compose.yml
And then you need to run docker compose up -d

raven forge
manic bane
humble mirage
#

What OS?

fallow slate
humble mirage
#

What Pi?

fallow slate
#

Pi4

humble mirage
#

And you don't get anything on port 8123 after 10 minutes?

fallow slate
#

If I check in my rasp x.x.x.x:8123 it's working
But if I do the same in my computer the browser show nothing

humble mirage
#

Can you explain what you meant there please

#

You start by saying it's working, then that it isn't

manic bane
fallow slate
#

My home assistant is installed in my raspberry
i would like to have acces to HA with my computer (other device)

humble mirage
#

HA runs on the Raspberry

#

You have to use the IP of the Raspberry

#

If you use the IP of the other computer... well, you didn't install HA there. It's not running there. It can't answer 😉

fallow slate
humble mirage
#

If I check in my rasp x.x.x.x:8123 it's working
How are you checking it when it works?

fallow slate
#

Rasp os interface with a monitos

manic bane
#

What IP address are you using on the pi, and what ip are you using on the computer?
Are they both exactly the same

humble mirage
#

Ok, then I'd check that you've not got some firewall running on that Pi

#

If you installed a desktop environment all bets are off

tender wren
#

And you don't have some advanced networking stuff, like VLANs or a dedicated guest network, right?

manic bane
#

Or two routers either

fallow slate
#

it can be because the genmasks is differants ?

manic bane
#

Can you pro is the IP of the pi
And the IP of your desktop too?

manic bane
fallow slate
#

like 255.255.255.0
i dont have the english name

manic bane
#

Subnet mask

#

Again, can you provide the ip address for the pi
And for your computer

humble mirage
#

They should be the same

#

Different subnet masks are only normal if they're on different networks

fallow slate
manic bane
fallow slate
#

what will you do with that ?

raven forge
#

Hack you, of course

manic bane
# fallow slate what will you do with that ?

I can't do anything with it because it's a local IP. It's internal to your network and doesn't identify anything

It's just an easy way to identify whether they're on the same network

#

An internal IP is something like 192.168.0.77

It means nothing. It's not publicly routable

fallow slate
#

oh

raven forge
fallow slate
#

the rasp start with 172.17
and my computer 192.168

tender wren
#

Oof

manic bane
#

172 is a docker network iirc

manic bane
fallow slate
manic bane
#

Especially since you seem to not fully understand networking, and might be dealing with 2 networks here

tender wren
#

And subnet mask

fallow slate
fallow slate
raven forge
#

So can you connect now?

fallow slate
#

yeah

#

thanks to all

fallow slate
#

I have more than export datas from my old VM in my computer to that HA

raven forge
#

What?

fallow slate
#

I have HAOS in a VM in my computer
but it's restrictive because I have to active manually the vm when I turn on my computer
i installed it in my raspberry for turning it 24h a day

raven forge
#

VMs can be auto started. How depends on the software you using but HA is kinda supposed to run 24/7 so running it on another device than can stay on is a better choice.

fallow slate
#

I used virtual box
At first it was for test HA
but now it will be 7/8 months i used it
So I supposed it's adopted 😄

keen heath
#

Hmm I have a third reality smart plug gen 2. Y'all think it'll handle my washer? It's an electrolux washer north American standard.

humble mirage
#

The plug will tell you the loads it's rated for

#

The washer will tell you the loads it'll pull

keen heath
brittle sail
#

Dryers are the power hogs

frank perch
#

And most dryers have a 30A plug

quaint bolt
#

(Very much voltage dependent. different countries may have different ampages)

#

Then again, a bunch of appliances in the US are actually 220 volt.

#

(there's a technology connections video on it)

toxic ruin
#

Hi, I'm currently using Raspberry Pi 4B with SD card. Every couple of month I have issues. I thinking about buying external SSD. Any recommendations before purchasing one? I thought of buying simple and cheap model. Will it work properly with connecting it to Raspberry with USB connector?

frank perch
toxic ruin
#

What do you mean?

tender wren
#

KrAzyle242 is propably suggesting to change your platform, instead of using a USB attached SSD

humble mirage
#

The Pi is kinda the worst possible platform, though a Pi4 + SSD (on a powered USB hub) isn't terrible

opaque shard
#

Configuring Command Line sensor using YAML has moved

frank perch
toxic ruin
#

So connecting external SSD to the Pi USB connection will not have issues for the long run?

frank perch
toxic ruin
#

Powered USB hub = external ssd that is connected to power?

quaint bolt
#

powered hub is important though

#

nope

#

it's a usb hub which has a power cord.

frank perch
quaint bolt
#

if you do a search for powered usb hub you'll find them.

frank perch
#

even better, do a search for it here as well and see what folks are using in similar setups

quaint bolt
#

They're useful for devices which need more power than a computer or laptop may provide. (like for my bluray drive.)

frank perch
#

or a high powered wifi adapter

#

etc etc

quaint bolt
#

ssd's power draw is on the edge of what a pi will do. And stability is a problem. So a powered hub stops that being an issue.

frank perch
#

yeah even with the best rpi power supply the rpi is still 'underpowered' to most cool things

#

there's been many a lamentation over using SSDs without a powered hub on an rpi

toxic ruin
#

So the ssd require more power and that's why it's recommend to connect it to usb hub, I got it right?

frank perch
#

basically

#

when you starve the SSD of power, it writes garbage instead of what you want it to

toxic ruin
#

So ssd need to have 2 usb slots? 1 for usb hub and 1 for the pi?

quaint bolt
#

nope, pi plugs into the hub. ssd plugs into the hub

tender wren
#

No. Pi and SSD connect to the Hub

toxic ruin
#

Ok got it!

#

Thanks guys! Other than that it could be any SSD? Sata/m.2/nvme?

quaint bolt
#

I wouldn't bother forking out any more for nvme. regular ssd is fine.

toxic ruin
#

Ok great! Thanks a lot for your help everyone!

vagrant hedge
#

hey guys

#

finally installing home-assistant I'm excited

#

booting up now

#

it's taking over 15 minutes to boot with the bootable USB

#

loading it only an Optiplex with SSD

#

it might be booted though I can really tell. It says welcome to the home assistant command line

quaint bolt
humble mirage
vagrant hedge
vagrant hedge
#

I followed this guide

quaint bolt
#

the next step would be to go to the url on it. But what Tinkerer says is important.

humble mirage
#

You didn't actually read the guide

quaint bolt
#

Next, we need to write the Home Assistant Operating System image to the “boot medium”, which is the medium your x86-64 hardware will boot from when it is running Home Assistant.

humble mirage
quaint bolt
#

option 2 is probably the easiest for you.

vagrant hedge
vagrant hedge
quaint bolt
#

have you removed the usb stick?

vagrant hedge
#

I guess it's running on the USB then?

vagrant hedge
#

I can try

quaint bolt
#

try. if it boots, you're good

humble mirage
#

Option #2 was to write a live Linux image to the USB

vagrant hedge
#

yea

#

it's booting windows without the USB

#

alright so I gotta do option 1?

humble mirage
#

Option 2 works if you follow the instructions

vagrant hedge
#

I'll reread and try again. thanks

twilit junco
#

Finally moved my HAOS to HA supervised. HAOS is really a pain in the arse for me

brittle sail
#

so you chose to go to an unsupported installation method because you were having issues?

#

what is you doin

humble mirage
#

Doubling down

brittle sail
#

little bit of yo, little bit of lo

twilit junco
brittle sail
#

Then use docker

twilit junco
#

then I don't know how to install addons..

brittle sail
#

I think tinkerer shouts it from the rooftop daily

#

Then learn docker lol

#

Watch videos read docs whatever works for you

twilit junco
#

So a lack of documentation (at least from my perspective) of haos is one factor. The other factor for me is I don't want a general purpose machine just for HA

#

If I run it supervised I can do other things with the machine

humble mirage
#

Sure, at get unsupported and unhealthy warnings because you ignored the requirements

#

Well done on delberately shooting yourself in the foot

twilit junco
#

I mean, come on it dones't make sense that you need an addon for even ssh. And then to me there's 0 customization on the ssh behavior

#

Just an example

humble mirage
#

If you want to have freedom, use native Docker

#

Ignoring the Supervised requirements is just going to end in tears

twilit junco
#

But guess I will live with it for now

humble mirage
#

Debian Linux Debian 12 aka Bookworm (no derivatives)

twilit junco
#

The supervised requirements on the ha io site are met

#

Yes, so this part is met```
Docker CE >= 20.10.17
Systemd >= 239
NetworkManager >= 1.14.6
udisks2 >= 2.8
AppArmor == 2.13.x (built into the kernel)
Debian Linux Debian 12 aka Bookworm (no derivatives)
Home Assistant OS-Agent (Only the latest release is supported)

humble mirage
#

Which ones?

#

It tells you why

twilit junco
#

I checked all listed here they are all met.

#

but still gives me a warning

# 
Docker version 24.0.4, build 3713ee1
systemd 252 (252.6-1)
nmcli tool, version 1.42.4
udisks daemon version 2.9.4 starting
Description:    Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Release:    12
#

They are all met except for this Home Assistant OS-Agent (Only the latest release is supported) since I don't know how to check it

#

Okay found it os-agent 1.5.1 arm64 Home Assistant OS Agent

#

This is also the latest

vagrant hedge
#

I got my install working by following the instructions 🤡
thanks @humble mirage

#

now I just need to figure out how to set everything up 🙂

keen heath
#

I just don't want to melt the thing. That happens and no more smart stuff at home. Hobby are ok until they aren't.

brittle sail
brittle sail
keen heath
brittle sail
#

also my understanding is smart plugs that get overloaded usually weld the relay contacts together or just straight up stop working

#

if you dont want one to melt dont buy a random chinese piece of crap and dont overload it

#

even if plugs are rated for like 15amps they really cant go over like 10-12

keen heath
#

Lol I think third reality ones are good rated

brittle sail
#

those should be fine

keen heath
#

I was feeling good until the washer specs said 15amps also. I hate electrical shit.

brittle sail
brittle sail
#

read the manual dude

#

not just a sticker

#

regardless if you dont feel safe doing something with electricity dont do it, even if you're wrong

#

that's the right way to approach electricity

keen heath
#

I can't go back now

#

Only forward

frank perch
#

if I'm not sure on electrical I buy my sparky buddy a beer and he comes and checks it

#

most times I'm being paranoid

versed vapor
#

For most stuff ya got fuses and rcds so that there can't go a lot wrong

frank perch
#

yeah until some dumbass flips the breaker you turned off, on

#

while you're working on it

versed vapor
#

That seems intentional malicious

frank perch
#

never attribute something to maliciousness that can be attributed to ineptness

#

the actual quote is Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

#

aka Hanlon's razor

vagrant hedge
#

😩 I'm trying to add my first smart home device and it's not working

frank perch
#

is it a TV?

vagrant hedge
#

trying to add Eufy doorbell camera but it says it needs HACS

#

I can't even install HACS

#

I get the SSH terminal addon and it doesn't open the terminal

frank perch
vagrant hedge
#

I start the advanced SSD & Web Terminal addition

#

when I open web UI it says it's not running

versed vapor
#

Did you read the installation guide

#

The ssh addon needs to be configured as it states

#

Which effective is just setting a username and password

vagrant hedge
#

I'm just straight retarded sometimes lol

#

sorry about that

vagrant hedge
jolly inlet
#

Hello, what's the most popular option to run HA on unraid?

#

I see a linuxserver (always trusted) and a "official" container now

low notch
#

VM afaik

brittle sail
#

start with haos move to docker if you feel like you dont have enough control

brittle sail
low notch
#

Keep away from linuxiso image

brittle sail
#

and as a new user you'll probably want a supervised install like haos

jolly inlet
brittle sail
#

they strip out shit like git i think

#

weird decision from them for hass

low notch
#

Some weird „extras“ ^^

#

Guess they want to provide a smaller image than the official

jolly inlet
#

Linuxserver = linuxiso?

brittle sail
#

lsio

low notch
#

Which.. kind of defeats the purpose of how ha is built

brittle sail
#

they have lots of names i guess

#

i think all their containers use lsio repos now

jolly inlet
brittle sail
#

anyways you can read up on the difference between supervisor installs like haos versus container install

#

it's a big difference and as a person using unraid starting out you probably just want to start with haos

#

otherwise you would've not used unraid and done a docker pull yourself with the docs (no offense, just the truth)

jolly inlet
#

Well, none taken

brittle sail
jolly inlet
#

I've been dealing with unix for 20 years, I just got lazy

brittle sail
#

i like and use unraid, but most people that do are very very light on linux

#

and docker

#

and networking

#

all the things lol

#

a lot of them are... LTT enjoyers 😦

jolly inlet
#

Options are low hanging fruit with the NAS that is there already

brittle sail
#

well

jolly inlet
#

Or installing it on a dedicated (smaller?) machine

brittle sail
#

i personally moved my hass install off of unraid. i started out docker install then moved to haos to play with addons then i moved to a separate machine

jolly inlet
#

That won't require the NAS online to work

brittle sail
#

so if i lose my server i dont lose my smart home

#

yepperz

#

i run haos on an old laptop with no screen or keyboard lol

#

it was free and better than $300 hardware

jolly inlet
brittle sail
#

a lot of people use thin clients or mini pcs

#

i'm not a huge fan of thin clients with emmc especially due to their cost rising these days but if you already have the hardware yolo

#

plus a lot of them are using like celeron or atom or w/e cpus

#

which is a bit restrictive if you want to run some addons like frigate, although you can always run that on your unraid box

jolly inlet
brittle sail
#

platform?

#

application?

jolly inlet
#

Frigate, is a different solution that happens to integrate with HA

#

Not integral part or plugin

brittle sail
#

right, but haos includes "addons" which are docker containers

#

which is one of the main reasons people use haos over container installs

#

that and ingress and some other small stuff

jolly inlet
#

Hmm

brittle sail
#

my old laptop with an intel cpu is able to handle frigate and a handful of other addons itself

#

which is actually better than my old dual xeon cpus in my unraid box

#

no quicksync etc with old xeons that frigate can take advantage of for image processing

jolly inlet
#

Have the NAS and a tiny machine at hand, none seem to be in a sweet spot

brittle sail
#

for sure

#

well haos now supports nfs / smb mounts

#

i have an unraid NFS share mounted to haos

#

super easy to setup

jolly inlet
#

But means I need both

brittle sail
#

well i only use it to save camera footage/events to

#

haos lives on the ssd on my laptop

jolly inlet
#

Or I might shoehorn a VM in the NAS

brittle sail
#

that is a fine option if you are willing to lose both with hardware failure, planned maintenance, etc

#

which i am not fine with

jolly inlet
#

Instead of the smaller footprint container

brittle sail
#

i even have haos backing up to nextcloud on unraid weekly

#

altho now with nfs/smb i could just do it directly

cloud sphinx
#

Hello all,
Does anyone know how can I add the correct install link in Docker please?
Because the link found when I search for "home-assistant" in docker (on synology) is not good.
Thanks for your help.

versed vapor
humble mirage
quaint bolt
#

as per the install instructions.

cloud sphinx
cloud sphinx
humble mirage
#

Well... that's on Synology

cloud sphinx
#

yeah... 😅

humble mirage
#

So... raise the issue with them

cloud sphinx
#

I hoped someone here found a simple solution.
Otherwise I would install it via a terminal directly

versed vapor
#

If you have ssh enabled you can just manually trigger the pull

#

Someone asked about that a couple days ago, no idea how that got resolved

#

oh i may know..

#

@cloud sphinx are you by any chance still on dsm 6

#

they updated the app somewhat around the 7 release calling it "container manager" which seems to work for me and can also import stuff from a url

cloud sphinx
#

ok so term or nothing i think

true temple
#

so i setup ha in docker container today and i have purchased a sonoff dongle-p. and for some reason it is not detecting it. i am not having any luck with trying to figure it out from searching everywhere online, what could i be doing wrong? should it be working with ZHA by default? its not getting auto detected either so i tried to manually set it up but its still not working. when i check dmesg it does show it on /dev/ttyUSB0 so not sure whats going on any help is appreciated

humble mirage
#

What does your compose file look like?

true temple
#

I used a portainer app template to get it working , made some adjustments for sure but i dont see anything about ports in it

humble mirage
#

Well, it's not ports but device mapping

#

However, if you followed the HA docs you would have used privileged mode, which gives it access to all devices

true temple
#

I am looking for that right now

#

where would that be? i am looking in portainer and i have it set to restrict the emanager of this container to admin, but i dont see anywhere about priveleged mode

humble mirage
#

I don't use Portainer, no idea

#

I use compose files so that I'm in control of what's going on

#

If not, you have to map the device into the containier

true temple
#

i am bringing up the documentation on ha site for a docker compose

#

oh i see it

south elk
#

Hey, (I do have a rasberrypi4) what do I have to do to have acces to my devices even if I don't have to the internet, acces to the local network and it should be enough no? but I do have to have windows/ linux instead of the "home assistant" as the operating system right? cause now the rasberry it's not shown in the local network

humble mirage
#

You connected a network cable before powering it on?

#

It has Internet access?

south elk
#

yep

#

but the first time I connected I chosed the home assitant operating system

#

and now every time I power up the PI4 it shows as a terminal

humble mirage
#

That's normal, that's how it works

#

Everything is now done in your web browser

#

I'm guessing you haven't looked at the getting started guide?

south elk
#

it goes great, but when I search for the local network devices the Pi it is not shown ther

true temple
#

ok i found priveleged mode

south elk
#

and what I want is to acces the home assistant even if there is no internet, so it has to be in the local network

humble mirage
#

You just point your web browser at it

#

You're not trying to connect to a file share ("local network") but a web service

true temple
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tinkered so do i need to set priveleged mode AND map the device?

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or does priveleged mode accomplish it

humble mirage
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Either

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Privileged mode is the lazy option that HA devs recommend

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Mapping devices works just fine

true temple
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because the maping they had an example was weird it was /dev/ttyUSB0:/dev/ttyUSB0 which is where my device is at lol

south elk
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can I connect the devices zigbee directely to the Pi instead of using Tuya?

humble mirage
humble mirage
true temple
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so i dont get a auto detect of the dongle yet, do i just try to manually set it up?

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no doesnt work

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ok that worked lol

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well i spoke too soon

humble mirage
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Open a shell in the container and have a look to see if you mapped it correctly - remember that you have to rebuild containers after mapping a device

true temple
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so it shows up but when i click configure, its asks for network formation. it gives me the option to create a new network or upload a manual backup, i chose create a new network and it hangs for a while and then says error

humble mirage
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If it's detecting it at all then #zigbee-archived can help - if you share the error

true temple
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ok

bitter wind
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My Pi is hardwired but my routers ports are starting to fail I believe unfortunately. Can I set up the wifi connection in HA for backup without borking everything?

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While still hardwired....

crude inlet
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@bitter wind you can add wifi and that interface should have its own IP address. It would be more of a way to access HA than a fallback though. You might have integrations with devices expecting to use the wired eth IP address which will need to be reconfigured. It really depends on your setup

bitter wind
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I would set it to a static address -i know-

crude inlet
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Reserving it on the router end should work.

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Though I'd probably start looking for a new router myself. What will go out next? 🙂

bitter wind
quasi light
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where in HAOS filesystem is integrations installed please?

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I have an issue with one I uninstalled, now log says not fully configured, retrying...

humble mirage
real shale
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Not sure if this is the correct channel but I am trying to set up my raspberry pi, i have put the image on an sd card plugged it in and all. what i'm wondering is does the raspberry pi output any visual data? i am having issues getting an hdmi feed from it.

humble mirage
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Only if the HDMI is connected when power is applied

real shale
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Ah ok perfect that fixed it thank you. i feel dumb for missing that haha

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next question is does it need direct wired connection to my router or can i connect via wifi instead

humble mirage
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You really want to wire it - this is a server

real shale
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i figured as much thank you

quaint bolt
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doesn't need to be to the router. At least, not direct. Can be via a switch plugged into the router. (if, for example, you have a few devices next to each other, a distance away from your router.) But that's nitpicking

real shale
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yea thank you. i was just asking to see if it was supported. id assume i would have slower results but i worked it out to have it on the router

frank perch
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it's 'supported' but lemme warn you LOL

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folks in here tend to shy away from helping wifi

real shale
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haha good to know thanks

quaint bolt
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I'd recommend ignoring it until you have a failure. then using a screen connected to it to set it up. multiple 'physical' connections to the same network can be, umm, problematic under linux.

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(basically, every interface will respond to arp for every IP on the box. unless you are very careful with settings. you can end up with weirdness, especially with iptables. not that that's an issue here, but I have flashbacks.)

frank perch
quaint bolt
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😉

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I had to deal with a customer with 4 1GB interfaces all hooked up to the same subnet, with different IPs on each. and the traffic for each IP was only allowed to work on a single interface.

frank perch
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🤮

quaint bolt
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I got it working, but it was a total PITA.

dawn pumice
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I am trying to update HA container using portainer, however when I try to recreate it with re-pull image I get the following error: pull access denied for ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant, repository does not exist or may require 'docker login': denied: requested access to the resource is denied
I have it setup using docker compose with the following config:

    container_name: homeassistant
    image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable"
    volumes:
      - ./homeassistant-data/config:/config
      - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro
      - /run/dbus:/run/dbus:ro
    restart: unless-stopped
    privileged: true
    ports:
      - 8123:8123```
anyone else had this issue or know what's causing it? I did create a registry in portainer so I am logged in
humble mirage
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No issues here

dawn pumice
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so why can't I recreate the container with the new image ? 😦

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it worked fine for z2m container

raven forge
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Try pulling again via docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

dawn pumice
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hold on, I messed something in the docker compose and now it won't recreate... why did I not back it up

humble mirage
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Username checks out

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Also, you are supposed to be using host networking, not port mapping

dawn pumice
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I'll change that

raven forge
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docker compose down, then try again or do --force-recreate

frigid panther
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hi all. new to homeassist but not so much to docker. Running docker on mac. Have the container running but am unable to hit the home page via the browser. I've tried localhost:8123 as well as homeassist.local:8123. Just get error of site can't be reached. Any ideas?

docker run -d --name homeassistant --privileged -v "/Users/jshair/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/Documents/homeass/config:/config" --network=host homeassistant/home-assistant

raven forge
frigid panther
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Ahhh. I tried to shortcut VMs as I don't have it installed. If not supported, I guess I should just install and use VMs.

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The only thing in the log files is the following:

2023-07-11 16:51:33.126 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.sonos] Subscription to 192.168.1.25 failed, attempting to poll directly

humble mirage
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Your problem is that macOS doesn't really do host networking

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If you mapped ports you'd be able to reach it, but then many integrations wouldn't work

south elk
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hey, do you know if casambi can be added by some way to home assistant?

blazing loom
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hey, is there any way to load buck up on docker installation?

humble mirage
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You mean restore a backup?

blazing loom
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yes

humble mirage
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Then no

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You have to extract the contents manually

blazing loom
#

is there any documentation for that topic?

humble mirage
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I don't think so

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It's just a tarball

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IMO you're better off doing your backups another way

blazing loom
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like Duplicati? well idk if it's not too late for that. Thankfully I didn't have much progress on that buck up

barren zealot
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Can someone please help me with kvm installation on linux.

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Virt manager says kvm is not available so i can't even install home assistant

raven forge
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Did you enable virtualization in the BIOS?

dense token
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Hi im following the supervised install instructions, and in some places it indicated that it supported debian 11, but it looks like it does not, am i mistaken? It seems the 1.5.0+ package depends on systemd-resolved now which does not exist on debian 11.

https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer/compare/1.4.3...1.5.0
this change does say it supports 11 and 12, but the new requirement is a blocker on 11

oblique flame
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I am trying to get a friend setup with HomeAssistant and he is not obtaining an ip address. We were troubleshooting for hours and it keeps saying no-carrier here and there. He tells me other devices work fine on that same cable... Any clues ?

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And he has flashing lights on the port, soooo...

humble mirage
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it keeps saying no-carrier here and there
What hardware is it being installed on? That means that no connected cable is being (reliably) detected. Software can't fix that.

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Hi im following the supervised install

copper steppe
oblique flame
oblique flame
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And that exact problem, I am not with the guy anymore but it was exactly that issue and device. Downgraded to V9 and it started working fine...

copper steppe
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You’re talking about wireless or wired?

oblique flame
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Looks like there was a commit for the wireless but not the Ethernet...

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Wired in this case but wireless was also not working.

copper steppe
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Seems like:

  1. Stay on Haos 9.5 until driver is added
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  1. Use a middleman layer like proxmox or Debian + supervisor etc
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  1. Use wifi (bad)
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Suggest 1

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  1. Add usb-eth
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Or m.2 eth if your box has m.2

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So at least 4-5 options for you

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Maybe try the nightly haos builds if you think it’s been added recently

sinful void
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I'm currently hosting home assistant in a VM on my pc, what hardware should I put it on in the future? The VM is just for testing and playing around with Home Assistant

humble mirage
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Not a Pi

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#hardware-archived has a long history of recommendations that search should find, but basically almost any "tiny" PC or laptop from the last decade (check the CPUMark is at least 1,000)

sinful void
# humble mirage Not a Pi

The pc I'm currently on is becoming a media server soon, should I containerise Home Assistant and put it on there?

humble mirage
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Sure

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You don't get add-ons, but add-ons are just a way of running software

copper steppe
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Unless your media server supports vms then you could run haos

final socket
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Yeah if by media server you mean Plex+smb or something along those lines you could probably just run HAOS in a VM alongside those if you want.

willow brook
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hi! when i'm running ./scripts/setup it prints Error: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/srv/hass/core/venv/bin/Activate.ps1'.

$ ll /srv/hass/core/venv/bin/Activate.ps1
-r--rw-r-- 1 hass homeaut 9033 Jul 12 18:35 /srv/hass/core/venv/bin/Activate.ps1
$ groups
homeaut [...]

i don't see who needs what permission.

any hints? this is on Guix, and it's the git checkout of the latest.

humble mirage
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latest ... are you trying to set up a development environment or something?

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@willow brook ☝️

willow brook
humble mirage
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Then ... why aren't you following the Core install docs?

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Doing a git checkout of the dev branch is ... not how you run HA

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Doing a git checkout at all as an end user means you're doing it wrong

brazen herald
#

Especially not if you want it guaranteed to work 😉

humble mirage
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Core installs (use pyenv) work fine if you're allergic to Docker for some reason

brazen herald
#

Personally I think docker is the way to go for most folks, you don't want to be editing core code on your actual home

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Plus, the dev docs use... docker 😉

humble mirage
#

Aye, Docker is the sane way forward for most users

stable panther
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Hey there! relatively new to python, new almost entirely to HA, other than via some youtube videos. So... I recently purchased a PC at an estate sale that I'm hoping to run my Home Assistant Instance on. I was attempting to install Core on windows (using WSL, etc.) but have encountered several frustrating errors, given my lack of knowledge. I was wondering if there might be a better method for me (I'm unfamiliar with VMs as well) or perhaps if there's someone who can delve into this with me and figure out how to get things up and running?

grand pivot
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Based on your comments, the best option for you is to dedicate the machine to HA and use the HAOS generic x86 install method

stable panther
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I completely missed that was even an option, I'll give it a go!

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Much appreciated

languid quail
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I just ran home assistant on my pi using the docker image. Is it really true that its a limited version that gets installed that i cant even install addons?

brittle sail
languid quail
frank perch
languid quail
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i need eufy security addon

frank perch
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You get to install anything you want, you just have to do it yourself

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Addons are just software

languid quail
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so its just the automatic installer that doesnt work?

grand pivot
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You just can't click in the HA interface to install and configure it. Whatever you want is almost certainly available for installation in some other way, considering that the vast majority of the world isn't running HA

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and the world existed before it

languid quail
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couldnt you guys just have said i need to install hacs instead of busting my balls

raven forge
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No because HACS does not install addons

languid quail
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what does it do then

grand pivot
languid quail
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i believe thats a lie

grand pivot
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it...is not

languid quail
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yes, hacs is an integration. so i just installed it in my container, now when i click on the integration, i can install addons

grand pivot
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that's incorrect

languid quail
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by addin repo urls

grand pivot
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you are confused

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those are not addons

languid quail
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then what did i just install inside of hacs

grand pivot
languid quail
#

what are they

grand pivot
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those things

languid quail
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yea those

grand pivot
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yes, those things

languid quail
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"Discover and download frontend repositories"

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those repositories contains addons

grand pivot
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no

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look, no addons

humble scaffoldBOT
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An add-on is a Docker container with tweaks to allow it to be configured in the Supervisor UI. It is only available in the Supervised installs (#330990055533576204 and #330944238910963714) since if you've used any other install method you're able to install software already.

languid quail
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HAs definition of addon is incorrect

raven forge
languid quail
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yea i checked it while installing

raven forge
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So what's there to argue? HACS itself says it does not handle addons

grand pivot
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oh well, nice chatting I guess

languid quail
grand pivot
#

new guy comes in, starts fighting about terminology of software they've never used. I'm out

languid quail
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hahahaha sorry

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good night

#

but you guys need a new perspective on things

#

time to get refactoring

rare hill
#

I have an Odroid N2+. System been running about 1.5 years.
Today I tried moving off of the internal flash drive - I connected an external USB SSD and used the "Move data disk" feature.
I left it alone for over 4 hours but the system never came back up. I rebooted and it still doesnt.
I unplugged the external USB drive hoping to boot up but same issue happens. I dont know if the data transfer worked or not. I'm not sure what happened to the original installation.

I plugged in a monitor and saw the Linux boot up, then displayed "Waiting for the Home Assistant CLI to be ready...". So the system boots.
I can Ctrl+Alt+2 and login as root, but I'm not sure what to look for next.

Wondering how to either restore what I had without the UI available or how to move forward and complete.

Moving forward, from my Internet searching for causes/solutions, I'm thinking need to order a powered USB hub. Been looking at 3.1/3.2 hubs, not sure of the power need. Does someone have a recommendation for that, I want to ensure it has enough power for it.

slate surge
#

Hey, is anyone able to give me a hand with HA on docker compose? I've gone through so many forums but still cant access HA at port 8123.

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Running on Ubuntu Server

humble scaffoldBOT
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@slate surge Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

humble mirage
#

Share what you did and we can help

slate surge
humble mirage
#

You started the container?

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You've checked that Ubuntu isn't doing something stupid, like Ubuntu tends to do, such as running a local firewall blocking access?

slate surge
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how do i check that?

humble mirage
#

Which one?

#

I know nothing about Ubuntu, preferring to use Debian for servers

#

Ubuntu is fine for desktops, not so fine for servers

slate surge
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how do i check the local firewall blocking access?

humble mirage
#

This does assume you started the container

#

(and that you've checked the logs)

dim bane
#

Hi all, I’m a newbie to Home Assistant, my Home Assistant Yellow (standard) just arrived in the post yesterday and I’m having trouble connecting to it. I’ve tried http://homeassistant:8123/, http://homeassistant.local:8123/ and http://<ip address>:8123 on multiple browsers and multiple devices (Mac and Windows). I keep getting "This site can’t be reached. homeassistant.local refused to connect". I have logged in to my router and I can see that Home Assistant is there. Has anyone else encountered this or have any tips I could try?

winter wigeon
#

How to customize an os image

humble mirage
humble mirage
winter wigeon
#

I want to put my modified core on the os and run it on the Raspberry PI. Is this possible?

humble mirage
#

No

winter wigeon
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why

humble mirage
#

Because it's an "appliance like" experience

#

You use it as it comes

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If you want to run your own modified version of Core then either you use the Core install method, or use Container having built your own Docker image

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Why are you modifying Core?

winter wigeon
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I just want to know if this plan works

humble mirage
#

What plan?

#

What are you wanting to change?

dim bane
winter wigeon
humble mirage
#

Yeah, if your plan was to re-brand things then you're going to have to do it the hard way

slate surge
humble mirage
#

I'd say so, if you can't work out your problem

crude niche
#

Has anyone managed to install ha supervised from the github installation page

humble mirage
#

Lots of people have

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Sadly

crude niche
#

I keep getting network problems....

humble mirage
#

Which are?

crude niche
#

some virtual adapters

#

wrnog dns

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no internet access

humble mirage
#

You've tried Home Assistant OS instead?

crude niche
#

i want to have debain for some other things

crude niche
#

i will try with gnome desktop

humble mirage
#

Gnome?

#

WTF

crude niche
#

last time i used lxde

humble mirage
#

If you want to have "other things" then ... don't use supervised

#

The requirements are very clear that you dedicate the host to HA, that you don't run other software

crude niche
humble mirage
#

The requirements are very clear that you dedicate the host to HA, that you don't run other software

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@crude niche When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
#

No additional software, outside of the Home Assistant ecosystem, is installed

crude niche
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i will install ha os then

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can i connect printer at least on ha host??..

humble mirage
#

You can run it in a KVM VM on Debian

crude niche
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i think i can hahah..

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naaahh i have very old laptop