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pulsar monolith
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I was getting it on my older instance of HA and thought I just better start again but it's happening now with a blank HA install

manic bane
pulsar monolith
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I'm not

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its a VM running on Windows with a SSD

low notch
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whats the connector you are using? sata? virtio? ide? and also hypervisor

pulsar monolith
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sata

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sorry what do you mean by hypervisor?

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I am using VM Box

raw axle
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Ok, finally got my Pi 4 connected to a screen to diagnose what's going on; I've got a freshly-flashed SD card with the latest HA on it, and getting "Cannot connect to the Docker daemon - is the daemon running?". Going to jump into the emergency console mode as soon as I find a wire for my keyboard, but figured I'd ask in case anyone's seen this before and/or knows the likely cause (and fix) already!

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So it looks it was this; pinging for my IP address on the Pi gives me an IPv6 address instead of an IPv4 one. Anyone know how I go about switching IPv4 back on?

brisk willow
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Navigate to http://[your:ipv6:addr:here]:8123

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The brackets are important

raw axle
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Unfortunately that's not working either, still need to work out why the docker daemon isn't running

brisk willow
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Oh I missed that part

raw axle
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Error message (posting here for the same 'someone might know' reasons, just about to type it into google):
EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p8): VFS: Found ext4 filesystem with invalid superblock checksum. Run e2fsck? A dependency job for docker.service failed. See 'journalctl -xe' for details

low notch
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Thats not a good start

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You have datat corruption

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Make sure you use a proper power supply and flash the card again, if it repeats use a new card

raw axle
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Hmm ok, will give it another go.

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Ok, first boot is starting up! Here goes nothing. I've got an old 16GB Class 1 card if it doesn't work, know it's not ideal but will give it a try using that if it does fail again!

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Interesting, it's booted up and I've got the ha > prompt, but homeassistant.local:8123 (and :4357) gives me the "this site can't be reached" error. I think it's not got an IP address? sec, will take a photo because cba typing the current state of things out

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Lemme check this cable haha

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Ok, different network cable helped, just had to restart again afterward. No idea how I ended up with a corrupted card. Thanks all for your help 🙂

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How long should a restore from backup take, OOI? Don't want to risk breaking things again by restarting the Pi, but I got no affirmative feedback about the restore process/progress bar it go by, and the page is now unresponsive again.

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nevermind, we're back up and running. thanks again!

sand sorrel
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hi. Can I restore supervised on to hassOS?

brisk willow
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yep

sand sorrel
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everything except core obviously

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just tried it, but dashboards and integrations are missing

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looks like only addons went through

fallen lichen
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Core is where all of that stuff is

sand sorrel
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m, k

odd marlin
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If you're moving to HAOS just take a full backup and it will restore everything

cerulean carbon
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Hi there! Maybe somebody know how to revert "move datadisk" action? Looks like "restore from backup" still uses new datadisk

sand sorrel
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but can I restore a full x86 backup on a raspberry?

neat hinge
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yes

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it will take a bit, but yes.

odd marlin
sand sorrel
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thanks, it took a while, but works now

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just issues with frigate and hevc

patent coyote
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I'm working on getting HA installed fresh in a docker container on my CentOS machine. The container is running, but I can't connect to it using http://<ipaddress>:8123 (This site cannot be reached).

Here's what I'm using to create the container.

docker run -d \
--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=unless-stopped
-e TZ="Europe/London"
-v homeassistant_data:/config
-p 8123:8123
--network=host
homeassistant/home-assistant:latest

Any troubleshooting recommendations? Do I need to use --network=bridge?

summer oracle
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hi. if you aren't supporting python 3.11, it might be nice to note that in the release notes please? I now how to somehow figure out how to restore 3.10 on my venv setup, because distros are already moving to 3.11 as default py3... 😦

odd marlin
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I'd recommend you just use a Container install instead, then you don't need to worry about Python versions

summer oracle
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heh. no thanks.

placid sage
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why not?

summer oracle
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i have a bunch of local only plugins that i really don't want to have to faff around trying to get working in a docker container.

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also, docker conflicts with my virtual machine stack in all sorts of fun ways

urban dock
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Hi all. I am having an issue installing HAOS from scratch on my RPI using SSD. I get to the page saying it's being installed but it stays stuck there for days. I think it has to do with the date and time being wrong. The RPI is connected to the router with Ethernet. I'm not sure how to fix this since I don't seem to be able to SSH into the device (connection refused) and I can't get to the UI to install the SSH addon... what can I try ?

brisk willow
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Also you should look into docker-compose 😄

brisk willow
summer oracle
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Fixing python 3.10 on debian bookworm:

  1. Add deb [check-valid-until=no] https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20221228T092916Z/ bookworm main to /etc/apt/sources.list
  2. Run apt install python3=3.10.6-3+b1 python3-minimal=3.10.6-3+b1 libpython3-stdlib=3.10.6-3+b1 python3-apt=2.5.0 python3-dbus=1.3.2-3 python3-dev=3.10.6-3+b1 libpython3.10-dev=3.10.9-1 libpython3.10=3.10.9-1 python3.10-dev=3.10.9-1 libpython3-dev=3.10.6-3+b1 python3-gi=3.42.2-3 python3-psutil=5.9.4-1 python3-psycopg2=2.9.4-2+b1 python3-venv=3.10.6-3+b1 python3.10-venv python3-yaml=6.0-3+b1
  3. Run apt-mark hold python3 python3-minimal
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This will restore working python 3.10 on your debian bookworm that probably recently received 3.11. Home assistant venv will then install correctly.

summer oracle
# brisk willow Host networking is your friend. But yes, I know docker creates some firewall rul...

I spent several months trying to get docker co-habiting with my existing virtual setup. I gave up when it seemed I had to completely rebuild every other VM on the host machine, even if I didn't dockerize all of them at the same time. This setup is pretty ancient, but also very flexible (minus docker) and easy for me to maintain. I run plenty of other docker stuff (for work, not home) so i'm not anti-docker at all, just, yeah, it's way more work than it's worth at present. maybe when I decide to dedicate a month to completely rebuilding my entire virtualization environment. Perhaps at the next server hardware acquisition.

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it's just amusing. I moved from bullseye to bookworm because bookworm had more recent pythons than bullseye (bullseye is on 3.9!). but apparently you're now borked on latest python, so now i have to thread a very specific python version needle.

copper steppe
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Problem is hundreds of libs some of which don’t have good 3.11

manic bane
quasi light
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Hi! By chatting with chatGPT I just learned that Tensor Flow is only available for Home Assistant Core... Would it be possible to convert an installation of HA OS to Core?

quasi light
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and if doing that, would my current config, scripts and automations continue to work?

brisk willow
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Running a Core install isn't recommended unless you're very familiar with Linux

quasi light
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Define very? It's my daily driver

brisk willow
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But anyway, to "convert" you would just copy your config and point HA Core to it. Easiest way for HA OS is probably to take a backup and extract your HA config

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Naturally you would lose the addon store and other Supervisor features and you'll also need to pay attention to python versions

quasi light
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Ah, thanks. I like the convenience of Ha OS, so good advice regarding Python and addon-store... 🙂 Think I'll stick to HA OS for now then. Perhaps I will set up a small parallel test with core to get the feel of it

wicked stratus
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what would be the conequences of setting it to false?

manic bane
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Nothing, just pass through USB Devices

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I have no privilege setting set

silk coyote
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Hey, I just installed home assistant container on an Ubuntu Machine and it is up and running. My issue, is that I can't make this installation show up in portainer or in docker desktop. I can navigate through another computer on the same network using <IP_OF_UBUNTU_MACINE>:8123 . it is also not listed when I call "service --status --all". How can I make it show up in docker desktop and portainer?

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I already tried to remove the files from the dir "/homeassistant/config" but upon restart it just reappears

humble mirage
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Well, yes, Docker will re-create the folder when the container starts - that's normal Docker behaviour

silk coyote
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Thanks for your quick response, I will look into that

hybrid knot
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I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs but it's (almost certainly) that, since you can access it that means it is running

wheat birch
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i used balenaetcher and it said success for my pi3 and i put the sd card into the pi and ive been waiting about 10min but nothing shows on screen..... how long does initial boot normally take and should i see stuff on the screen

low notch
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which url did you use in balenaetcher?

wheat birch
low notch
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you should see text fly by in a few seconds after powering on so there is something preventing your pi from seeing the sd data

wheat birch
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hmm ok, ya i was wanting to make new sd card with a fresh install to start mssing with and remove a lot of the "junk" mistakes i had the sd works in my pc but odd is there a size cap? it was a 128 i was using where as the working one is 32

vagrant ember
wheat birch
vagrant ember
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etcher might've corrupted it

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if that doesnt work, try another microsd card

wheat birch
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not buying another lol ill stick to the 32 if thats the case this 128 is basically new

vagrant ember
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that shouldnt be the issue then

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welp we'll see

crude inlet
vagrant ember
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thats probably the issue

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using raspberry pi imager will give you a clearer selection on what to choose

crude inlet
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Many think they are using a 3 and it's something else

wheat birch
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I’d agree but I used that same setup on the first card I don’t have a 4 I know that

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Unless the fact it says 3 and not 3b? Since it’s a 3b

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I’ll try the imager when home and see 🤷‍♂️ maybe that link is no good

subtle gorge
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Hey guys,

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do you know of a way I can increase the size of the allocated space for HA more than 32GB? I am running Windows 10 with OracleVM.

copper steppe
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Just google? Something like
`VBoxManage modifymedium disk "C:\Users\Blah\Something.vdi" --resize 81920

subtle gorge
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Where would I do that? In the command prompt in windows, or in the Oracle VM itself? The prefix in the VM itself is ha > and both of them don't recognize such a command?

manic bane
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Also why on earth would you put HA in a cloud VM

fallen lichen
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Oracle is the current owner of VirtualBox

pallid lake
manic bane
manic bane
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Clouds not going to be accessing my ZigBee coordinator easily

pallid lake
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now now; i'm sure we can find a use

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like if everything uses mqtt...

subtle gorge
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Its VirtualBox, is Oracle VM VirtualBox a cloud VM?

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I'm open to installing it a different way if that way makes it easier to have HA use up the entirety of my SSD.

manic bane
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HA shouldn’t use up all of it, its only 32gb at base, and shouldn’t need too much more unless you have specific use cases

slender olive
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On both VirtualBox and Proxmox, I've had a problem with HAOS hanging (kinda). It becomes unresponsive, but spits out these errors on the console:
https://imgur.com/a/ZUN8Q6V
I do not have this problem with other vms, eg. Debian running supervisord.

copper steppe
mossy light
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Can anyone give me a hand walking me through MQTT setup on Home assistant? I keep trying to find guides on youtube, reading docuementation, but things are always out of date (even if they are a few months old), arent explained well, or flat out dont work. I am so frustrated and could really just use someone's help.

viscid sigil
mossy light
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How do you make your home assistant on a static IP?

subtle gorge
manic bane
manic bane
mossy light
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I am so frustrated. I am past the Mosquitto broker add on, past the MQTT integration, now I am having issues getting zigbee2mqtt working.

brisk willow
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Share the error you're getting?

slender olive
mossy light
humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

mossy light
brisk willow
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Lines 12-14 have an explanation

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Looks like you tried changing the channel from 11 to 15 after starting up z2m at least once

mossy light
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Not that I recall. I dont even know what that is

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I tried installing this in the past and it never worked. So I uninstalled everything and started fresh. Maybe it didnt delete the old config before.

brisk willow
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Well, follow what line 13 says then

mossy light
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I went into file editor. Downloaded that file, and then deleted it

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and restarted Zigbee2MQTT

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Ok. I finally have the web ui opening.

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it used to be a 502 bad gateway

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I feel like I am always 1 step away from doing things right. Somtimes its as easy as needing to restart the addon/integration or a line of code that is just missing.

brisk willow
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Or reading the error message 😄

mossy light
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I read it. Just didnt understand it. Probably read it 10 times

trail oriole
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Is there an actual reason for HA not to like additional containers on same machine when running in supervised install?

humble mirage
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To reduce the risks that you break it, as has happened

trail oriole
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Do you have an example of how can it be broken?
Except for using the socks in conjunction with supervisor?
So I guess I can be a bad idea to run something like portainer because supervisor and portainer sort of have competition on what they do, but other than that, why not making it just a warning?

humble mirage
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People ignore warnings and then come here all full of anger at us because it's clearly our fault they ignored the warnings

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We're not even the damn developers

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Portainer can easily break stuff, other containers can use a port that an add-on is expecting to use

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If somebody wants to run any container they feel like it then the Container installation method is what they want

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People that want the "best" of both worlds usually get the worst

manic bane
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Docker-compose isn't even that hard either

humble mirage
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If you can handle YAML then compose is easy

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If you can't then HA is going to be painful for you

manic bane
trail oriole
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After 20+ years in software, I have the following philosophy:
"If you don't know why you shouldn't insert a fork into a working toaster, then the consequences are your problem"

Meaning do stuff when you know what you are doing, if you don't know what you are doing, so breaking stuff is your fault so deal with it...

humble mirage
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Sadly... most HA users aren't IT folks. Hell, many of them struggle with the idea that the computer running HA has to be turned on and running for HA to work

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Sadly there's a big overlap with the latter group and those that want to use VLANs because they've heard that IoT is dangerous

frosty path
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how would i proceed to find out what is using up my disk-space in a supervised install? (Please, no discussion why it is supervised. I have reasons)

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the reason i am asking is that my HA install currently is eating 47GiB of disk space and I have issues understanding where this is coming from

manic bane
frosty path
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yes it is debian

manic bane
frosty path
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well if the devs would do a proper job i would not need a supervised install, rigt? 😉

manic bane
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No

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Since theres no need to run supervised

frosty path
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oh ok

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so i assume the needed firmware files for my network hardware are flying into the os image by themselves

manic bane
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either do HAOS and make do with the limitations that supervised also requires except without needing to know linux, or run a docker container, and enjoy the ease of use and spin up whatever else you want

frosty path
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good to know

manic bane
frosty path
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well it was you who said it 2 lines above, no?

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either use HAOS

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which i can't

low notch
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or run a docker container

manic bane
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^^

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Which is not HAOS, or supervised

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Or if you really really want, core which is a pure python install

low notch
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has the discussion started now?

frosty path
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no

low notch
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ok 😢

frosty path
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there is no need for discussion

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i understood what i am facing with a supervised install. more or less. But that is not the point. It looked like the best bet for me not having to face other issues I would have with a docker install

shadow harbor
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Theses day I get this error after rebooting HA because he get unresponding
Can't read Supervisor data: System is not ready with state: setup
I using hassos with a raspberry pi 4
The notification tab say :

Invalid config
The following integrations and platforms could not be set up:

hassio (Show logs)
raspberry_pi (Show logs)

Any idea what is happening here ?

frosty path
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or xiaomi-miflower integration?

shadow harbor
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I think both

humble mirage
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There's no plugins 😉

frosty path
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disable both and restart

humble mirage
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There's add-ons, sure, and integrations, but no plugins

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Add-ons have no impact on HA's startup

frosty path
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I had this issue with the samba-nas addon

manic bane
shadow harbor
frosty path
frosty path
manic bane
humble mirage
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There's zero issues with hardware pass through on Docker

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Also... HAOS/Supervised use Docker

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So... if there were issues with hardware pass-through all would have it

frosty path
trail oriole
shadow harbor
frosty path
# shadow harbor how can I do that ?

before you try that: i would suggest to disable the addons and reboot. Because: if it was an addon causing trouble you installed a backup without knowing

trail oriole
shadow harbor
shadow harbor
shadow harbor
trail oriole
shadow harbor
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I have it but don't use it for now

obsidian totem
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hi guys, I using raspberry pi4 for HA,
recently, on and off I lost connection to my system. I restart the machine then everything back to normal.
checking the journal is the only way to identify the root cause ?

frosty path
manic bane
frosty path
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true

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but i know i would have had the same issue even with docker

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turns out it was the jellyfin transcode cache

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even as a normal docker install it would not have been obvious that the transcode cache floods the disk

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i would have expected a cap on the usage but it seems jellyfin is not considering that. So: the disk gets full and the system becomes unresponsive

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the only way to get around this would be to have the config directory of the plugin on a separate disk

manic bane
manic bane
frosty path
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so in the end it does not matter because in both ways it is a docker container

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and yes, it seems to be exactly this bug

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seems to be a good idea anyways to consider a separate partition for docker stuff

humble mirage
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I usually have two, one for all the configs and one for the write heavy stuff (like caches)

frosty path
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good idea

humble mirage
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Stick the write heavy stuff on spinning rust and everything else on SSD

frosty path
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in case of a transcode cache it would even be possible to leave it on an SSD. e.g. my ssd has a TBW of 4800 TB. To reach this i would need a really heavy usage

hollow obsidian
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Can I use Balena Etcher to flash a 250Gb SSD with Home Assistant OS ?

crude inlet
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Yes

hollow obsidian
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i am stuck at flashing 99% since a very long time ... and it tells 1m08 remaining ... since 30 min 😄

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Will try to restart

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Same thing 😦

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really fast to get to 99%, then the ETA raise to 2min

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and then stick to ... 1min16

hollow obsidian
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still 1m16 ... minutes are really long today

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I replaced the HDD enclosure and this time it worked ..

crude inlet
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@hollow obsidian I was going to say, when I had similar issues in the past with SD card and USB adapter, it was a bad adapter

azure radish
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Hey! I am running home assistant in docker on my pi and I wonder why my configuration.yaml is almost empty.
I got my devices and all are saved, everything is stored in .storage.
Is this the "new" way? Because I always read about the configuration.yaml

grand pivot
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HA itself never modifies configuration.yaml

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It's the 'new way' as of several years ago

azure radish
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okay. everything over ui goes .storage and handmate stuff goes in configuration.yaml?

humble mirage
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Yes

gilded pewter
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how can i install gcc on a supervised HA. apt install gcc on the host did not work. music assistant did not find gcc

humble mirage
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It's been that way for ... a long long time

gilded pewter
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tinker?

humble mirage
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Hopefully you run HAOS, not Supervised

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And why the hell are you trying to install gcc?

gilded pewter
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music assistant requires it

humble mirage
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Link?

gilded pewter
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my main Home assistant cant mount my media files. so I thought i install it on my failover

humble mirage
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If you want to go compiling stuff from source use HA Container

gilded pewter
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I have to use supervised because its a failover for my sip addon. that answers the phone when im busy or something

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I can setup an other HA

humble mirage
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Look like they need to fix their shit so that wheels are available

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Of course, if you search their issues for gcc they give you an ugly hack

gilded pewter
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well as far i know the main developer is recruited into the home assistant organisation.

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but if i install home assistant in a docker i would have gcc?

humble mirage
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You need gcc inside the container, not on the host

gilded pewter
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Yes inside the docker container

humble mirage
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Doesn't matter how you install it, that doesn't happen

gilded pewter
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I think i found it

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apk add gcc inside the cli container

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no that would be the wrong container

gilded pewter
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yes a diffrent error

fading condor
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I've had HA running on a raspi4 for a few months but I think I want to play around with it on Docker. Is there an easy way to redeploy to Docker? Or would I need to back up HA, load raspian on the pi, then redeploy HA in Docker? If I have to go this route, I'm hoping I can backup HA and restore it once I have HA in Docker (I apologize if I'm using the wrong verbage, I only have a little experience in Docker).

humble mirage
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Buy a second SSD (or SD card if you're feeling brave) and do a fresh install of Raspberry Pi OS + Docker there

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Then extract the HA config from your backup and copy it to some suitable location (eg /docker/homeassistant) that you're using in your Docker Compose file

fading condor
humble mirage
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Keep in mind that this will only work for HA itself, not the add-ons

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Those you have to handle manually

fading condor
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OK good to know. Thanks!

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Does the HA backup contain my database too?

humble mirage
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If you're using the default recorder

hollow obsidian
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yes

fading condor
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I actually don't know, but I would assume I am (I'm not intentionally running anything custom).

hollow obsidian
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Hi there, is there any way to setup a virtual NIC to add VLan support on Home Assistant OS. All my local devices are on a separate IoT Vlan

gilded pewter
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@humble mirage I got it working apk add build-base in the homeassistant container

humble mirage
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Waits for the post about how it no longer works

hollow obsidian
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i found this

gilded pewter
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My hacker mentality never let me down.

tepid shore
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Hello! What is the best way to expand home assistant partitions?

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I'm running Home Assistant OS on a vm, so resizing the drives are not a problem.

fallen lichen
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That's it... HA OS will auto expand after you do that

tepid shore
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Ah, perfect. 🙂 And it's real. Same for shrinking the drives?

fallen lichen
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Ehhh... shrinking is usually more difficult, I'm not sure how HA OS reacts to that

tepid shore
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well i dont want to do that, but will test in the future 🙂

fallen lichen
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May be best to just take it in increments if that's a concern

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Others may have more insight into shrinking, but there's always the last restore of backup, create new VM w/ desired storage and restore

spare heron
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How much storage is homeassistant gonna require as pi container?

tepid shore
humble mirage
barren hollow
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i had my homeassistant working fine on a docker container for the last few months, afaik the only change was attempting to pull an updated image yesterday – but now im getting all of these errors on docker-compose up, and even downgrading back to the previous image doesnt work anymore...

awesomeversion.exceptions.AwesomeVersionCompareException: Can't compare <unknown > and <SimpleVer 0.50>

spare heron
atomic viper
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Hi all, I'm running HA on a rpi4b with 4GB ram. It get's really slow and when monitoring ram usage it never goes above 14% or 0.5GB . Is there a way to configure how much ram is available for HA?

calm gulch
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Hello, my HA stopped showing addons and I saw a message before I rebooted that the supervisor couldn't start because I have no disk space. I try to goto the HA> console and anything I type coMEs oUT LIKe thIS with alternating caps and lowercase.

I tried "login" from the HA> console and ran df -h but it doesn't look like I'm out of disk space. Help?

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Actually, at the very top of the df -h output it says "/dev/root size: 201.1M available: 0 used: 100% mounted on /" could that be the issue?

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I'm going through the docker container folders one by one to see if one has a large log file in it

manic bane
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Are you running HAOS?

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And on a SD card?

calm gulch
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HASSIO on a VM on my proxmox server

manic bane
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How much did you allocate in storage

calm gulch
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for the total VM you mean? let me check

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it says dev/root is only 201MB and has 0% free.

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32GB for the HASSIO VM

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I checked the root of each container folder and I didn't see any large files, I dont know if I did that right

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Can I delete all files in the /mnt/data/logs folder?

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I see that the /mnt/data/logs folder is full and the latest file is 128MB. There are a bunch of 8MB files in there

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I deleted the first 20 or so oldest logs and rebooting

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After rebooting, i can see the new log file it created is also 128MB in file size so now I have two 128mb log files.

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There's a second 128MB file there after rebooting. there was only one before

fluid seal
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im trying to setup my zigbee tuya hub to ha but it says:

Multimode gateway (unsupported)

calm gulch
#

Supervisor creating massive logs, preventing HA from working correctly

humble mirage
#

im trying to setup my zigbee tuya hub to

indigo prism
#

Hello, I have never used Home Assistant before, but I find it exciting with the amount of configuration and integrations it has.
My ultimate goal is to host both Home Assistant and NAS on one device, presumably an used laptop.
The NAS has to be reliable, and I cannot accept losing my files anyhow since those are used by me to get a living.
From my current knowledge I believe that it's best to install both on a Linux, since that's a blazing fast and stable operating system, and it has those things called containers that I should probably utilise?

I strive for the best performance and experience possible and since there are many ways to install Home Assistant: I wonder, if there is a guide, that will teach me on what is the ultimate Home Assistant setup?
I'm thinking about a setup that will provide me with the best experience, performance and the most possibilities.

If there is no such extensive guide, could you guys please tell me, what kind of installation is generally recommended and what kind of installation is the most supported and powerful?

odd marlin
spare heron
#

What if both your house and the off-site backup datacenter burn down ponder

fallen lichen
#

Buy a lottery ticket ... profit

tawdry glen
#

Put it in the cloud, the cloud can't catch fire since it's in the air

boreal gyro
indigo prism
boreal gyro
placid sage
#

hi guys, asking for a friend in here.. he has HA on a raspberry pi 4 4gb and tries to update to v9.5, currently on 9.4
however after updating it became 9.3 instead of 9.5, updating it once more makes it stay at 9.3, its as if the updater confuses 9.5 with 9.3 or something 😦
current update levels: Home Assistant 2023.2.2
Supervisor 2023.01.1
Operating System 9.4
Frontend 20230202.0 - latest
anyone know how to fix? 🙂 thanks
already tried a clean install without restore btw, same story

crude inlet
#

a clean install would start with 9.5

#

maybe there's an issue writing to this SD

placid sage
#

the image name is indeed 9.5 but it ends up with 9.4, you can also see it being downloaded at first startup

#

same happens on a different pi with different sd card

crude inlet
#

I just threw up a VM using the 9.5 image and it's 9.5 at the end

#

are you using the rpi imager or etcher?

#

the image you flash is the version the SD card would have. It doesn't download it again at boot. It downloads HA and other things, yes.

placid sage
#

both balena and rpi imager have been tried, both have the same results

#

wei used the url with 9.5 in the name in etcher, and the 9.5 release in pi imager, however in both cases 9.4 is what arrives

crude inlet
#

@placid sage try not using the URL and download the file yourself.

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then flash that file image with etcher

placid sage
#

we shall try it tomorrow, thanks

crude inlet
#

listed under assets

placid sage
#

thanks, guess we can flash it with etcher

placid sage
#

well, flashed it with etcher, hooked it up to a monitor aswell and it says OS Version: Home Assistant OS 9.3 straight after the first bootup on the HDMI output... and it was certainly haos_rpi4-64-9.5.img.xz

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23-02-07 22:30:06 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.os.manager] Detect Home Assistant Operating System 9.3 / BootSlot A
it says this in the logs at the first landing page aswell
so something is definitely off

fallen lichen
#

Is there possibly more than 1 disk device attached to the Pi? (are you certain you're booting off the media you just flashed)

placid sage
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theres only 1

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force wiped the disk now, flashed it again and it now is 9.4, but after another flash it's 9.3.... 9.4 is in Slot B, 9.3 in Slot A from what we see during bootup
very strange

crude inlet
placid sage
crude inlet
#

You might try to use diskpart and clean

placid sage
#

thats what we do every time

#

diskpart, list disk, sel disk #, clean, then proceed to flash

crude inlet
#

hmm

placid sage
#

even tried a different disk and rpi, still the same

#

it really feels like the wrong image is inside the 9.5 img

crude inlet
#

I set up the VM from scratch, and since then have updated a Yellow from 9.4 to 9.5 without an issue

placid sage
#

but does that include HA OS?

#

because that part is whats not updating/wrong (on the raspberry pi)

crude inlet
#

I don't understand the question. It is the OS that is at 9.4, and updated to 9.5

#

nothing else has that version number

#

For the VM it was created using the ova qcow2 image labeled 9.5

placid sage
#

well, long story short, i flash the 9.5 OS image, it shows up as either 9.3 or 9.4, the update for OS 9.5 pops up, click, its still 9.3 or 9.4

#

its like 9.3 and/or 9.4 is inside the 9.5 image for the rpi

crude inlet
#

on a pi4 right? I can see if I can find mine around here somewhere

placid sage
#

yes

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this is on the first landing page when you click the glowy dot for more details

#

after a clean flash

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oh hang on, image doesnt load

crude inlet
#

ooh i forgot i have some unopened pi4s here

placid sage
#

there

#

for some reason i cant upload pics here

crude inlet
#

it's disabled. too much pics of text spam

placid sage
#

understandable

crude inlet
#

ok will flash this sd and see how it goes

placid sage
#

we shall await your findings

crude inlet
#

@placid sage you're going through onboarding each time you flash this SD right?

placid sage
#

yes, every time it has the onboarding process

crude inlet
#

ok

#

still waiting to get there

placid sage
#

you can already see it in the logs if you click the circle during onboarding

#

it says somewhere something about boot slot A or B with the version along of it

crude inlet
#

it's done

#

9.5

placid sage
#

what the heck

crude inlet
#

that was the 64bit image

#

should i try 32?

placid sage
#

haos_rpi4-64-9.5.img.xz

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thats what i use too

slender olive
fallen lichen
slender olive
fallen lichen
#

what platform are you running on

slender olive
#

HAOS 9.5 as a VM on Proxmox 7.3-4

#

How does it get started? Where do its errors go? Can it be restarted? (How?)

neon karma
# fallen lichen

Random question. I can see it says «waiting for home Assistant cli to be ready» in your terminal, mine does this too, and it is not going away, is this a problem ?

fallen lichen
fallen lichen
neon karma
upper stratus
#

Can anyone tell me if I'm running HA in a docker container and want to migrate to a RPi, can I just move over the config files? I don't want to lose my configs, but the container version isn't cutting it for the devices I need to use

fallen lichen
#

If it looks the same as mine, then you're good, it's just like a start up message

fallen lichen
neon karma
#

Ah alright, easy to misunderstand if you ask me, mby its me thats stupid😂

slender olive
fallen lichen
#

KVM virtualization turned on in Options?

upper stratus
slender olive
fallen lichen
upper stratus
#

Ok awesome, I was just curious to make sure I don't have to find/load in all the api keys I had to grab lol

fallen lichen
#

That's all in .storage

upper stratus
#

Ok last question, do I need to throw in the typical SSH file on the HA install once getting it on the microSD in order to SSH into it? Or is that enabled by default? Either that or is there an FTP/SSH option in HA OS?

fallen lichen
#

(Basically just Docker containers that run along side your install)

copper steppe
#

there's a terminal addon, but that's technically in a docker container. it's close-enough for 90% of things.

fallen lichen
upper stratus
#

Awesome, thank you. I appreciate the answers

#

Oh ok another dumb question, can I just use the backup option and restore from that backup?

#

Or can I not restore HA OS from HA Container?

copper steppe
#

the HA part should restore fine

#

but any containery stuff might not; no idea about that, never ran it

upper stratus
#

Alrighty, I guess I will give it a try

upper stratus
#

In case anyone was wondering, migrating from container to OS was as simple as backing up and restoring!

wild monolith
#

yesterday while trying to access the settings using the iOS-app while being at work my Pi4 crashed. since then i can´t access HA anymore. remotly and in my homenetwork. i can ping it, as long as i don´t add 8123 as port. also i can´t ssh into it. problem is that i don´t have any internetconnection at all since adguard is running on HA ( guess that´s the problem). i can reach other devices within the homenetwork.

any ideas how to get it back to life?

humble mirage
#

Did you try power cycling it?

wild monolith
humble mirage
#

Cycle the power

#

Turn it off and on again

wild monolith
#

oh yeye i did that. quite a few times

humble mirage
#

Did you connect a keyboard and monitor?

wild monolith
#

not yet, need to go to the store and get a micro-hdmi to hdmi cable, will do that now

humble mirage
#

That'll let you find out what's going on, but at this point it's 99% likely you'll need to flash HAOS to a fresh SD card and restore a backup

wild monolith
#

ye, also going to get a new SD card. i´m lucky that i used gdrive backup i guess 😄

manic bane
#

Then that'll bypass adguare

dim turret
#

Hi. I have just installed the nginx addon to sit in front of my HA installation. I have confirmed that the SSL certificates are fine, as I don't receive any errors in the browser. However, all I do get is "400: bad request". I have tried entering the docker container with a bash shell, and looking for log files, but all I see is the request from my browser, but no explanation for the 400. Any idea how I can try to debug this further?

manic bane
humble mirage
#

99% of the time people haven't done that because they skipped over that part of the docs

humble scaffoldBOT
dim turret
manic bane
#

Nginx is a proxy

dim turret
#

ah, fair

#

thanks

whole compass
#

Hi all,
I have installed the new Home assistant on Raspi4 with the new SDCard.
I used etcher application and when the starting the rasp
I am getting issue with kernel time synchronized issue

#

I appreciate if anyone helps me with this problem

humble mirage
#

On the console, does it show an IP for the network interface?

whole compass
#

it is showing the IP addtess

humble mirage
#

And what if you use the IP instead of homeassistant.local?

whole compass
#

not showing anything

humble mirage
#

What if you try port 4357?

whole compass
#

Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Unhealthy

humble mirage
#

Well, it's alive...

#

Time sync issues sounds like it can't reach the Internet shrug

whole compass
#

There is intenet

#

I cant change the timezone and system clock synchronised

#

It is saying read only

crude inlet
#

Enter su logs

whole compass
#

any help?

manic bane
#

Do you have an active internet connection?

whole compass
#

Yes

#

Wait until Kernel Time Synchronized Error on first Installation

#

it seems many people have the same problem on google

#

No answer

#

Just a brand new installation

#

New rapi and new sd

manic bane
humble mirage
#

I just tried a fresh install in a VM and it installed without issue shrug

#

I then ||erased the VM to avoid the dirty taste it left in my mouth||

manic bane
humble mirage
#

Core and Container

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Production runs Core, test runs Container

manic bane
#

Core ew

#

Container best

humble mirage
#

I've got decades of experience building and running software from source

#

Also, I have some funky stuff that I interface with, and until I learn enough Python Core is easier

wild monolith
humble mirage
#

Did you try?

#

Did you check the logs?

wild monolith
#

any way to access them without connecting the pi to a display?

humble mirage
#

I'm guessing not, but somebody who runs HAOS may know more

wild monolith
#

seems to be an issue with chrome, works in edge...so guess some cache stuff.

wild monolith
#

so, now i got everything back up and running but addons from the addon store. i reinstalled HA on the SD card, booted it, installed sambashare to get the backup onto the pi. restored it. now all the addons from the addonstore (for example adguard, deconz, file editor) are installed, but i can´t start them. i reinstalled adguard, same problem.

humble mirage
#

Reboot?

manic bane
#

Reboot host that is

humble mirage
#

Well, you can't reboot a container, but ... we do see a lot of people confused about reboot vs restart

manic bane
#

The KISS method, keep it simple stupid

humble mirage
#

So ||don't use HAOS you say||

wild monolith
#

since its not installed in/as a container bit homeassistant os, just a regular restart i guess?

humble mirage
#

Re BOOT

#

Not restart a container, reboot the whole computer

wild monolith
#

got u

manic bane
#

Turn off the VM or the device it's running on, then start it back up
Under the hardware menu 3 ...s, reboot

#

I think

#

But I don't use HAOS

wild monolith
#

ye it was there, will give it a try. ty all

#

fixed! thank you guys!!!

uncut wagon
#

trying to install HA on an old PC with AsRock B75M-ITX. I flashed the old web blue 2.5" hdd but boots and is seen as uefi:drive when hdd is inserted into an ext usb 3.0 caddy but not seen as uefi and not seen as bootable when connected using internal sata cables. Any idea why its seen by ext caddy and can boot but not via internal cables?

sour condor
#

Petro the Magnificent sent me here, apparently im to stupid to be a HA user and cant tell him if im running Home Assistant OS, Home Assistant Core, Home Assistant Container, Home assistant Supervised. Im just a ordinary HA user that suddenly after the latest core update become more stupid.

humble mirage
#

Dude... park the attitude

humble scaffoldBOT
#
Repairs

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your repairs

humble mirage
#

Go there, dotsvertical -> System Info -> Installation Type

#

Then, after you tell us that,

2023-02-08 15:36:29.473 ERROR (SyncWorker_0) [homeassistant.util.yaml.loader] mapping values are not allowed here
in "/config/configuration.yaml", line 8, column 10
``` tells us we need to see your `configuration.yaml`
sour condor
#

Attitude ? why are you hackers always see us users as completly fools just because we dont understand everything ?

humble mirage
#

If you don't understand... ask

#

Repeating yourself, in capitals, is like shouting at somebody that doesn't understand you ... totally unhelpful

sour condor
#

i did ask, but did get just idiot answers.

humble mirage
sour condor
#

right now im going back using a backup.

humble mirage
#

You have at least one error in your YAML to fix

sour condor
humble mirage
#

Right... well... if you updated then you may have missed a breaking change

empty bloom
#

Of course I’m the problem there, not the guy using all caps and calling people nerds

vague glacier
#

Hi, I managed to connect with keyboard and monitor

crude inlet
#

with the # prompt

vague glacier
brisk willow
crude inlet
#

@vague glacier what's the status now that you've removed it?

vague glacier
#

I'm in again!

#

Thanks for your patience and support @crude inlet

brittle sail
crude inlet
peak scroll
#

Guys roughly how long should a typical restore from backup take? And should there be any form of visual indication that it's completed? Been staring at an unchanging window and a constant ping for an hour now. Chromebook repurposed as the potential new HA server

humble mirage
#

There's no visual indicator

#

How long it takes depends on the size of the backup and the performance of your hardware

peak scroll
#

Yeah that'd be a good feature request I think, at least a "Do not reboot, restoring. This will take a long time", doesn't need a progress bar or anything. Then I guess I leave it to do it and check back in the morning, if there's no way to know if it's completed?

humble mirage
#

When it's done it restarts

peak scroll
#

Ah ty, patience grasshopper

crude inlet
#

the closest thing to watching progress is the supervisor logs

peak scroll
#

Supervisor: Connected
Supported: Supported
Healthy: Healthy

crude inlet
#

not the observer

peak scroll
#

No other means. Wish I could ssh in and run htop/atop just so I know the cpu is doing stuffs

#

I need to go play scrabble or something lol

crude inlet
#

did you lose connection yet?

#

it would be settings > system > logs

#

with advanced mode enabled

#

but even then, at some point it would restart and you'd lose the connection

peak scroll
#

Still showing the onboarding screen, after selecting to restore from backup, selecting the backup, and selecting 'full backup'. The dialog box went away then it sat there

crude inlet
#

oh you're at onboarding. It's the worst way to restore imo

#

better to set up and then restore

peak scroll
#

That's a fair point, at least that way I can go watch the logs, since I have absolutely no patience 😐

#

I'll give it 1 more hour, then if nothing changes I'll flatten it and do it that way

fiery oak
#

Hi, so i just installed HASS to a touch panel PC by following the "Generic x86-64" installation guide. It works great to remote access from my ordinary PC but now i wonder, how do i display the dashboard on my touch panel PC (host)? Did i not think this thru, beacuse i need some kind of browser to show the dashboard on the host?

crude inlet
#

a browser from any other device

#

HA OS is a headless server

fiery oak
#

So basically i should just run HA from a raspberry and use my touch PC with ubuntu to reach the dashboard instead of running HA on my touch PC.. Correct?

lunar shell
#

I'm getting dropped into the UEFI shell after the last update, anyone know how to go about troubleshooting from here? Running HAOS in proxmox

hollow obsidian
#

Hi there, i returned a SSD yesterday because the "burn" of HAss with Banana Etcher was stuck at 99% ...

#

Just received another one ... and same thing ...

#

I tried to change the HDD enclosure ... but the issue is still the same ...

brittle sail
#

with a pi4 or?

#

the flashing of the os from a pc or whatever should work regardless of if the enclosure will work with a pi

hollow obsidian
#

i am on a windows PC

brittle sail
#

is there some error etcher is giving you?

hollow obsidian
#

nope, stuck at 99% ... and ETA 1m12s

#

let try on another PC ..

#

ETA is going down to 1s ad once at 99%, jump back to 2min and going down slowly until it stops

manic bane
#

Sounds like something is wrong with how you're doing it
Either etcher isn't working
Or the image you downloaded is broke

hollow obsidian
#

finally it worked from the downloaded file but not by using the link

#

(in etcher)

hollow obsidian
#

in the fresh install I just did, I restored my backup that was working fine on USB key

#

my config is there, but none of the Addon are launching

manic bane
#

Restart the host

hollow obsidian
#

ok

#

I did, but will retry

manic bane
#

Not restarting home assistant. But the entire host

#

Reboot to be specific

hollow obsidian
#

let's do that

#

i restored (again) the backup and did a reboot and it's fine ! thanks ! 🙂

worn warren
#

so just recently setup TrueNAS Scale. decided to look at the officially curated install for Home Assistant in case I wanted to get off of my Raspberry Pi.
I noticed it didn't load the AddOns option in Settings.
Is there a fundamental reason it didn't and it will never show up or, can it be "turned on"?

grand pivot
#

If you used a container installation, you'll never have addons or any supervisor-specific features

worn warren
#

so then how is home assistant even useful?

#

like why would anyone supply that if you can't ever install addons.

grand pivot
#

Nobody needs addons for anything

worn warren
#

i guess not

manic bane
#

Integrations are the thing that HA uses to control stuff in the end
Add ons are things like Zigbee2MQTT or a MQTT broker. All can integrate with HA or be run standalone

worn warren
#

right. things just are more complicated since you need to tell it all how to talk to each other i guess?

manic bane
#

Barely

worn warren
#

barely for people who do this for a living

#

lol

manic bane
#

Not really

#

You just tell HA the IP and port

#

Addons aren't really anything special

humble mirage
#

I do wonder how the world managed to cope with installing software before add-ons were invented

#

That shit must have been really hard

manic bane
#

trial and error is a great way to learn

humble mirage
#

Reading the docs works well about 80% of the time

#

The rest of the time it turns out they're outdated 😄

bronze pike
#

hii

#

i am trying to run HA on virtual box on my win11

#

it been 1 hour stuck at preparing home assistant page

#

what can i do ?

humble mirage
#

Click the blue dot and you'll get more information

bronze pike
#

[supervisor.resolution.evaluate] System evaluation complet this is the last message

#

what that mean?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

humble mirage
#

There's a lot more than one line in that log, use one of those to share it ☝️

bronze pike
#

i copied all the lines to the first link

#

what should i do know?

humble mirage
#

Save it and then share the link you get

bronze pike
humble mirage
#

I don't see any obvious problems, hopefully somebody else will be able to help

bronze pike
#

does this step need high internet speed

raven forge
#

is it possible that you're running VirtualBox without virtualization enabled and it's just really slow?

bronze pike
#

yes it is very slow , and i don't lnow how to enable virtualization

raven forge
#

Can you screenshot the VirtualBox window? Also hover over the green turtle at the bottom of it and screenshot that. Virtualization is enabled in the Bios/UEFI. Usually called VT-X, AMD-V or SVM

unique edge
#

Hmm I wanted to reinstall HA on my NUC by restoring from backup because its running from the usb instaed of the SSD. But when I try to reinstall it seems to automatically use the USB instead of prompting where to install or restore to? Anyone know?

raven forge
#

Restoring isn't installing. You have to install on the SSD and then restore

bronze pike
unique edge
#

It installs as soon as i boot the USB

#

I am not given any choice

raven forge
fallen lichen
#

Well if the VM is running, you'll probably be unable to change that setting until it's off

bronze pike
fallen lichen
#

Then perhaps VT extensions aren't enabled in your BIOS

#

What CPU do you use

unique edge
#

What on earth do I have to do to install HA on the NUC SSD instead of the installation USB i created lol

#

Weird

fallen lichen
#

HA installation is the process of putting the HA image on the media

#

So, you either need some type of other live media if you don't take out the SSD to run the flashing process, or put the SSD into another device and flash it as you did the initial USB

unique edge
#

Oh wow ok thats news to me thank you

#

I guess not many people remove their ssd from their NUC so Ill try a live system

raven forge
fallen lichen
#

True that

bronze pike
fallen lichen
#

In Task manager, click the Performance tab, what does it show for "Virtualization"

bronze pike
fallen lichen
#

🤔 what

#

Post a screenshot

bronze pike
#

how to post a pic

fallen lichen
#

post it to imgur or something then share the link

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

bronze pike
humble mirage
#

click on the CPU

bronze pike
fallen lichen
#

Seems like you've got it enabled at the BIOS then

bronze pike
bronze pike
#

any solution please

unique edge
#

Cheers NSX I was able to do it all with live iso, restoring from backup as we speak now.

bronze pike
#

Any help

humble mirage
#

Patience...

#

At some point somebody who thinks they can help you will come along... asking for help every few minutes isn't going to speed that up

bronze pike
#

does this step need speed internet ?

humble mirage
#

What kind of bandwidth do you have?

#

It has to download a bunch of Docker images, and then some Python packages

#

If you're connected by wet string it'll take a while

#

If you've got really slow storage it'll take a while

bronze pike
humble scaffoldBOT
#

@bronze pike When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
#

You are buying a service from an ISP... you should know what you're paying for

bronze pike
#

the internet speed now 0.08 Mbps

humble mirage
#

That's ... I mean, that doesn't get up to slow

grand pivot
#

you could yell bit values faster than that

humble mirage
#

It is faster than dialup

#

But I think the first cable internet service I had was 0.5 Mb/s

bronze pike
#

how large are the files ?

humble mirage
#

You're at risk of the downloads timing out, but I'd guess they should finish

#

The HA (Core) image alone is about 450 MB

#

450 MB is about 3840 Mb, and you can download 0.08 Mb a second

#

So, 13 hours and change just for that one image, and there are many images

#

Assuming it actually works, you're looking at a few days

bronze pike
#

how many image😥

grand pivot
#

you could probably install somewhere with better Internet access and use it with your tiny soda straw

#

but then it would repeat with any update

bronze pike
#

this is the best internet in the city

#

due for the bad economics

#

and also bad weather

grand pivot
#

I think toml gets better than that at Davis Station

bronze pike
#

from where are you ?

grand pivot
#

US

bronze pike
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I am from lebanon

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😥

low shard
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looking for some advice. I currently have my HA running on a docker (on synology) that seems to be performing poor. Also containers 2. docker-influx-grafana 3. esphome and 4. mqtt. I would like to move to a diff server with more power, so I have spun up on my proxmox server, a new instance of Home assistant OS (the linux VM). is this a simple backup and reload onto the new server. then activate the add-ons for mqtt , esphome etc. Are there any other issues I need to think about when moving from HA Core to HA OS?

humble mirage
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That's pretty much it

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Obviously you can only run things that are add-ons, but if you've got Proxmox you can spin up another VM for anything else

low shard
high peak
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I just installed hassio to a laptop and am trying to get it on the wifi from the built in terminal i can get as far as scanning and seeing the wifi points around me but cant get it to connect “Net scan wlp1s0” shows the access points but “net up wlp1s0 —wifi-ssid ‘ssid of choice’” don’t work I get no password request or anything it takes abit the says “error: activating connection failed, check connection settings

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Nvm I figured it out

high peak
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New issue… I thought you could use a rpi backup to a non pi system

grand pivot
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you can

high peak
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When I tried it just does nothing

manic bane
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How are you restoring it

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The architecture doesn't matter for a backup, it's just a copy of files

high peak
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Uploaded the backup then clicked to then chose restore

manic bane
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Then it takes time to process. There's no indicator it's working

high peak
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Seems it wanted a reboot first

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Its worked

daring shore
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hey all, updated to the latest version and when loading the front end it loads all the components then says lost connection and restarts in a loop

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wondering if "2023-02-10 04:00:42.934 WARNING (Recorder) [homeassistant.components.recorder.util] The system could not validate that the sqlite3 database at //config/home-assistant_v2.db was shutdown cleanly" is related

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or if not, how i might find the cause

surreal void
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brand new set up, rpi 4 with sd card. i flash the OS on to the card, plug everything in to the pi including ethernet direct to the router and i cant get anything to connect to finish setting up

daring shore
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deleted the database, but it creates a new one and i get the same error

daring shore
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forced a new database in recorder config and now getting

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2023-02-10 04:31:33.875 WARNING (Recorder) [homeassistant.components.recorder.util] The system could not validate that the sqlite3 database at //config/testnewdb was shutdown cleanly

daring shore
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it's the presence of a specific automation in the config file that is causing the restart loop

humble mirage
wheat birch
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23-02-10 00:22:34 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'ResolutionFixup.run_autofix' blocked from execution, system is not healthy - supervisor
i keep getting this error and then it says error on HA installation retry in 30 sec

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any ideas

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i get that error for syncworker 0,1, and 2 and then it goes back to trying 0 again and its been like this almost an hour

wintry flax
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so some pages say i can't get addons in the docker version of Home Assistant and some pages say there is a docker version of Home Assistant with supervisor & addons, but i can't find the page for this docker image

humble mirage
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That thing is called Supervised and ... just don't use it

wintry flax
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i need addons

humble mirage
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Then use HAOS

wintry flax
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i can't

humble mirage
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(not that you need add-ons, they're just convenient)

wintry flax
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i want the whole google integration

humble mirage
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Integrations aren't add-ons

wintry flax
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video said to get an addon from github

humble mirage
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Integrations exist no matter how you install HA

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Video?

wintry flax
humble mirage
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Assistant Relay?

wintry flax
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so i can make voice commands without needing to say "hey google" first

humble mirage
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Assistant Relay is abandoned, but also available as other than an add-on

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TL/DR: The feature is part of HA now

wintry flax
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i already have home assistant installed in a docker container

humble mirage
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Enable the new integration and you get the same features Assistant Relay gave you

wintry flax
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i don't want the one that was built into home assistant as that want a monthly fee for it

humble mirage
wintry flax
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that's what that addon is for (from the video)

wheat birch
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im seeing people say netgear routers are the issue any clue if its still an issue?

humble mirage
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If you follow the integration setup instructions you'll see no mention of any add-on

wintry flax
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the addon said it makes adding google assistant to home assistant easy

humble mirage
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  1. That add-on is abandoned, for a long time, nobody should use it
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  1. The video either was written by somebody who hasn't got a clue, or you misunderstood
wintry flax
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that looks to take hours to setup and not easy at all

humble mirage
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It takes less than hours

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Also, if that looks not easy then Supervised is going to be a disaster for you

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Expert. Maintaining a Debian installation to a very specific set of requirements is hard

wintry flax
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i can't run it as an OS

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i have other stuff running on that server

wheat birch
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is there a way to connect to wifi from the command line on my pi running haos apparently netgear nighthawks block haos installation set up

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so was going to hotspot my phone to do install and then see how it ran after

humble mirage
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If you feel that you must have add-ons then run HAOS in a VM on your server

wintry flax
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my server can't do VMs

humble mirage
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Then you don't get add-ons

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Almost anything can run VMs though

wintry flax
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sure, if i was running a hypervisor

humble mirage
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You don't need to run a separate hypervisor

wintry flax
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you install the hypervisor in place or the OS

humble mirage
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Did you even bother to read the link I posted?

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Hell Proxmox is Debian + a web based UI

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If you're running Debian you can run VMs in it using KVM, Xen, or other things

wintry flax
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proxmox is a hypervisor. it runs like an OS

humble mirage
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Clearly you've never looked at what it is

wintry flax
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i have and i'm not looking to rebuild my entire server for it

humble mirage
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You've got three options here:

  1. Rebuild the server so you can run a VM for HAOS
  2. Don't use add-ons
  3. Run a VM on the existing server
wheat birch
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so everythignis pointing tooo my router which is great cuz i picked it up to have more control then my isp router and now i cant even use HA with it without installing openwrt on it but apparently my router isnt supported

humble scaffoldBOT
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@sand shuttle I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
sand shuttle
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Can You help me with this?
As i can see, Rpi4 don't found SSD and trying boot from network

humble mirage
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I'd say your problem is with the USB adapter

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What is it, and are you using a powered USB hub?

sand shuttle
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No hub. Enclosure - AgeStar M.2 NVME SSD 31UBNV1C

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But Raspbian is booting.

humble mirage
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Raspbian isn't HAOS - and HAOS has proven to be fussy about the USB SSD adapters it works with

sand shuttle
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Should i try another adapter?

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Or powered hub?

humble mirage
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Yes

sand shuttle
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Is there any list of working adapters?

humble mirage
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not that I know of, but somebody else will likely know more

sand shuttle
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Thank You.

rough jolt
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I'm running HA supervised in a VM on my Synology NAS, and I'm wondering if I set up something incorrectly. Using the Terminal add-on (or SSHing into HA) I can ping devices on my local network just fine, but I cannot ping6 them. And similarly, ip route works fine, while ip -6 route responds with nothing. Is this expected? All of these work fine from my laptop on the same network, and also when SSHing into my NAS. Just not from HA

humble mirage
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HA Supervised, or HAOS?

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Supervised is quite different, and the thing you get layered on top of Debian (assuming you followed the requirements)

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HAOS is the VM image you get

rough jolt
humble mirage
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That's good

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You really don't want Supervised, unless you enjoy causing yourself problems

rough jolt
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I installed it using an .ova image

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Alright

celest quartz
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I've placed a key on usb named CONFIG

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I'm stuck on this part here where it says "ha os import on an attached usb"

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do I connect the USB to my HA instance and then run the command ha os import in SSH and terminal?

dull hearth
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I would like to install HASS OS on an older x64 system without UEFI. apparently thats not compatible. so I have to run it as VM or docker?

humble mirage
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Yes

dull hearth
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which one is the most common?

humble mirage
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Either

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If you want add-ons then you need to use the VM approach

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If you're comfortable with Docker you don't

dull hearth
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I've never used Docker before

humble mirage
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Then if you don't want to learn Docker, go with a VM

dull hearth
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ok. so I see you can use "VMDK, VHDX, VDI, QCOW2, OVA" hypervisors

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should I install any Linux OS and run a virtualisation program, or do I install a bare metal hypervisor?

humble mirage
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Up to you, installing Proxmox is probably the easy route

dull hearth
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sounds good, thanks. I'm very new to HASS so I'm not very picky

crude inlet
celest quartz
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awesome! actualy in my attempt to install the USB, I bumped some wires and it lost connection to my data disk...so I had to shutdown by pressing the power button (so sad to do that)...anyways...i rebooted from no power as the USB stick was plugged in...guess that did it?

crude inlet
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it should have, yes

queen bronze
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I've been running into issues with my system running out of swap space and the entire thing freezing and I have to reboot. It seems like there may be an issue with gcal having a memory leak. Whatever the root cause, until it's able to be fixed, how would you recommend I prevent my system from being completely unusable and requiring a manual restart?

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I'd like to just disable swap, however, that was discouraged here because then some of my services may just get killed due to there not being memory left. I disagree that this is worse because a random service getting killed (which will likely just get restarted from watchdog/supervisor anyways) is better than essentially all of my services freezing anyways. But what about adding more swap? Or other suggestions?

wheat birch
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Anyone got experience getting HA to work with a nighthawk router? Keeps getting an error while installing

fallen lichen
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What issues are you seeing

wheat birch
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23-02-10 00:22:34 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'ResolutionFixup.run_autofix' blocked from execution, system is not healthy - supervisor
i keep getting this error and then it says error on HA installation retry in 30 sec

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It runs through synchworker 0,1,2 and every time error 500 and then retries and retries I had it running for hours yesterday and it wouldn’t finish

fallen lichen
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Could you paste your entire log and link to it

wheat birch
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What do I use to link it never done that

fallen lichen
wheat birch
fallen lichen
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You have DNS issues

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or general network connectivity issues, I suppose

wheat birch
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Maybe dns connectivity I don’t think so. I unplugged the Ethernet and plugged into computer works fine. Just not sure how to proceed.

fallen lichen
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Are you able to get to a prompt on that device

wheat birch
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I have on the pi it showing the command line HAOS page

fallen lichen
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As in, you're at a ha > prompt?

wheat birch
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yes

fallen lichen
gilded pewter
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How do i restore a backup on a supervised installation?

wheat birch
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ok tried that will see thank you

humble scaffoldBOT
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Backup

Open your Home Assistant instance and Backup your Home Assistant installation

fallen lichen
grand pike
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If I have an alexa and want to remove it from the loop what must be done to get HA to recognize the lights and switches i have in place already

fallen lichen
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What lights and switches do you have

dull hearth
grand pike
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I believe most are just generic chineese bulbs and a few alexa outlers

fallen lichen
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You'll need some more details than that in order to get them hookup up

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If by Alexa Outlet you mean Amazon Smart Plug.... I'm not sure if that's able to be integrated w/ anything other than Alexa

grand pike
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one of the lights says zigbee on it

fallen lichen
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👍 That's a good one. You will need a Zigbee coordinator if you want to hook it right to your HA instance.... what was it connected to before?

grand pike
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well zigbee certified and it has a little icon next to it that say home with a little house above it

fallen lichen
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Probably Google Home

grand pike
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all the lights here have been connected to the alexa device

fallen lichen
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Gotcha, yeah looks like the newer Alexa devices do have a Zigbee hub built in

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Hopefully all of your devices you've got so far are zigbee, that'd be great.... There's a #zigbee-archived channel specifically for those devices and integrations that you could check out if you've got questions on how to get started and what hardware you need to get connected

grand pike
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not that i know of. I know at onepoint I had installed smartlife to connect a few bulbs to alexa

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also HA is detecting a TCL tv but asks for a pairing code. I dont think this tv has one or atleast if it does I cant find it

fallen lichen
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You might need to go into a menu and find something for Homekit

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I imagine it's the HomeKit controller integration that found it

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SmartLife = Tuya

humble scaffoldBOT
wheat birch
fallen lichen
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Still seeing DNS resolution issues in the log?

wheat birch
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Same thing

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It was working before on my isp router but I couldn’t change dns and ports and what not. So I got this router put my isp into bridge mode and set this as my router and now issues lol. I could hook back up to the isp router but I wanna avoid doing that every month for updates

fallen lichen
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Were you the guy w/ the Shaw gateway?

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Or was that someone else

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Try typing login
and execute these 3

dig ghcr.io A
dig _checkdns.home-assistant.io A
dig _checkdns.home-assistant.io AAAA
wheat birch
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I did have the Shaw gateway ya, couldn’t do port forwarding so picked up a router and no new problem lol

fallen lichen
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I feel like you could've got 443->443 working using NGINX

wheat birch
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Says not found on all of those commands

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Well for remote access I signed up for my mania case month to try it out. The router I wanted as well cuz my internet was weak in the bedroom. Now my signal@is great around the house….. but I can’t update my HA

fallen lichen
# 
nslookup ghcr.io
nslookup _checkdns.home-assistant.io
nslookup -type=AAAA _checkdns.home-assistant.io
wheat birch
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What info you need from that lol I dunno what I’m reading

fallen lichen
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Copy/screen shot, upload it and paste a link

wheat birch
fallen lichen
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seems good

wheat birch
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The only thing I’ve seen on google is lots of people with problems with nighthawk routers. People install openwrt firmware and that’s helps….. of course not available for my router.

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Thinking i may just have to disable bridge, update and then do that every 1-2 months and just not update at every minor patch

fallen lichen
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What's your MTU in your router set to? 1500?

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For fun maybe try 1400

wheat birch
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I’ll take a look when I get home have to run out the door. I disabled bridge mode and hooked up to the isp router to see if I can get it running and figure updates after

brittle sail
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fuckin with MTU is a terrible idea dude

celest quartz
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error message is root@hassio.local: permission denied (publickey)

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Maybe something is up with the key, but I'm using Notepad++ and puttygen. Generating the key by moving my mouse randomly on puttygen. copied the generate key from the "Public key for pasting into OpenSSH authorized_keys file" text box, pasted into Notepad++ Its an RSA key with 2048 bits.

checked that is ANSI file
checked that is it LF EOL

save file as authorized_keys (no extension)

USB is NTFS 8GB and placed the usb into the RPi 4 port

in terminal addon from the UI (installed the community repo) I type:

ha os import

say it imports successfully,

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but, when I try to root in, its denied with the message above

copper steppe
#

Check permissions of public keys file

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Set to 600

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Check ssld log I guess

terse crag
#

Hello, I have an old laptop with Debian Raspberry Pi Desktop installed. Can I follow the directions to install Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi?

humble mirage
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Yes, following the Container installation steps

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I'd strongly advise you use Docker Compose

celest quartz
boreal gyro
placid sage
#

Hi, new here and planning to install HA. I have tested HA few years ago, but not used actively ever. What is recommended setup nowadays? I have RPI4, QNAP NAS (weak TS-120) and old laptop (from Win7 era) where I could install the system. Which one I should pick?

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With RPI installation I have had issues with corrupted SD cards, but are there some easy backup-restore options to overcome that issue or can I run some container with RPI/laptop that is located in NAS? It would be nice to have some comments from someone who has already made the mistakes....

queen bronze
fallen lichen
#

Does the utilization go away w/ an integration reload?

queen bronze
fallen lichen
#

Gotcha, just wondering. I personally have an automation that resets the Nest integration as there's a long-standing issue that breaks it multiple times per day. If that could hold you out as the issue is investigated.... it's an option

tall blaze
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Does anyone know a way to set the output value of a python script (eg via the pyscript integration), into a HA text helper. I have pyscripts that can set my LG TVs brightness, but I don't want to keep running the script if the TV s already at the right brightness. So I have another script that can simply print out the current brightness. I can't seem to find a way to read that number into HA as a variable/helper that I can use to determine whether to run the setter script.

fallen lichen
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Not familiar w/ it... but can't you just set the input_text value straight away in the python script?

tall blaze
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oh maybe the ha variables are available just like that, ill test it, thank you.

fallen lichen
#

I assume you can call services through those scripts. You'd just call input_text.set_value

iron hinge
#

Hello everyone,

I am looking to replace the SD card in my Raspberry Pi with an SSD. I need to backup Home Assistant and install it on the SSD.

If I am correct, on Docker installations only partial backups are supported. we rely on the history of the DSMR integration entities, and history of the Energy dashboard. What will happen to these in a partial backup, will they be there? If not, can I migrate this data in some other way?

copper steppe
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they should be preserved in the backup. if you're worried, you could try restoring it in a VM on your desktop if you want.

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everything in /config should be retained afaik

iron hinge
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I ended up mounting both the sd card and the ssd to my laptop and manually copied the config folder, that worked

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I read this too late sorry

iron hinge
copper steppe
#

nw

celest quartz
#

I'm on the step here:
"There should be a py-spy binary once you call unzip in one of the directories it creates"
How do I call unzip?

iron hinge
#

I have no experience with home assistant os but unzip is a command

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You would type unzip and then the zip file and it will extract

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If you get "command not found" it is not installed, you can achieve the same outcome with the tar command, which is installed by default on most linux installs

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tar -zxvf file.zip
Where file.zip is the name of the zip file you want to extract.

ember bison
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Hey guys, how long is the restore from a backup (HAOS) going to take? Something went wrong with my 9.5 upgrade (RPi with data partition moved to my SSD), so my HA started up clean after upgrade asking to start from fresh or restore a backup. That is alright, I chose to restore my most recent backup. However, I have not been able to connect to HA since, and it's been 15min. The connection to 8123 just times out. Should I be worried?

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I don't know if this is related, but I moved from 32bit to 64bit recently by flashing the 64-bit image (9.4) to my SD drive. Not sure if I should have done something with the SSD partition back then, but things seemed to work without problems back then.

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Heh, just got a notification from my Uptime Kuma from the HA instance that my HA install is down. So at least one of the add-ons is back up, it seems 🙂

ember bison
#

So... HA is finally up and running with the restored version, which is all fine. But the datadisk is basically being ignored, looking at the free storage I can determine that the SSD is not being used. Hardware list has my SDA and SDA1 drives, but when I try to do 'move datadisk' it says 'No suitable storage found'.

Is there a way to somehow "repartition" the SSD or something so that it qualifies as a target again?

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Resolved by reformatting the datadrive on a PC and plugging it back in, it seems. As was stated in the instructions as well.

shrewd mist
#

Hopefully someone can help, i'm moving my HA OS install from a Hyper-V VM to Synology VM and im having all sorts of issues after restoring the backup

#

After the backup completes i get 404: Not Found when trying to access the UI. I've logged into CLI and in supervisor logs it shows this error..

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ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Can't update Home Assistant access token

celest quartz
iron hinge
shrewd mist
celest quartz
# iron hinge According to the guide you linked you should unzip the .whl file

thanks, ok I ran this here

bash-5.1# unzip py_spy-0.3.12-py2.py3-none-manylinux_2_17_armv7l.manylinux2014_a                                                                              rmv7l.whl
Archive:  py_spy-0.3.12-py2.py3-none-manylinux_2_17_armv7l.manylinux2014_armv7l.                                                                              whl
replace py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/METADATA? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename:y
  inflating: py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/METADATA
replace py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/WHEEL? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: a
error: invalid response [a]
replace py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/WHEEL? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: A
  inflating: py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/WHEEL
  inflating: py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/license_files/LICENSE
  inflating: py_spy-0.3.12.data/scripts/py-spy
  inflating: py_spy-0.3.12.dist-info/RECORD

and I basically said yes to all

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inflating i believe is unzipping, I think!

iron hinge
#

I think so

celest quartz
#

this is all new to me, too!

#

after proceeding with the instructions, there could still be an issue as I get these errors messages. I tried both PID 60 and 61....I think my PID is 61, but instructions say to use 60. Either way, both did not work.

/config/py_spy-0.3.12.data/scripts
bash-5.1# ./py-spy top --pid 61
thread '<unnamed>' panicked at 'called `Result::unwrap()` on an `Err` value: ParseIntError { kind: PosOverflow }', /root/.cargo/registry/src/github.com-1ecc62                                                                99db9ec823/proc-maps-0.2.1/src/linux_maps.rs:81:65
note: run with `RUST_BACKTRACE=1` environment variable to display a backtrace
Error: receiving on a closed channel

bash-5.1# ./py-spy top --pid 60
thread '<unnamed>' panicked at 'called `Result::unwrap()` on an `Err` value: ParseIntError { kind: PosOverflow }', /root/.cargo/registry/src/github.com-1ecc62                                                                99db9ec823/proc-maps-0.2.1/src/linux_maps.rs:81:65
note: run with `RUST_BACKTRACE=1` environment variable to display a backtrace
Error: receiving on a closed channel```
Baby steps!
fringe karma
#

So I was stupid and thought HA was conducting regular full backups. My Linux VM crapped out and now I cannot boot. But I do have access to my hassio folder (in usr > share > hassio). Is there anyway to restore my full setup from this folder?

fallen lichen
#

What does it do when you try to boot it

crude inlet
fringe karma
crude inlet
#

Yes, that's one of the hidden directories.

boreal gyro
hasty oxide
#

So uh... Don't set hass to use a dns providing addon running in the hass install as its main dns. it gets cranky after a couple of days and refuses to connect to supervisor

#

Guess How I Know lol

rain fox
#

Hiya. I have HA on a pi4. I have a block of static ips from my provider. Everytime I set up HA with one of my static ips it stop working for me unless I use my mobile device browser. And it still shows the wrong ip address inside of apps. Any ideas?

fast snow
#

Hey there,
Anyone using HAOS as a VM on a Synology and not managing to ping the NAS IP from HA?
I can ping other hosts on the same network, but not the IP of the NAS interface.

copper steppe
#

That's probably to do with NAS not bridging the local devices to the LAN device. truenas has the same issue.

#

kindof a security issue - control plane vs data plan. I think you can add a bridge/loopback type device to fix

fringe karma
boreal gyro
fast snow
dry compass
#

Hey, I was recently setting up home assistant remote access and it comes out that I am behind CGNAT, talked to my ISP but they don't offer me static ip. I can use my router dynamic dns to take out my latest ip by setting a server name (subdomain one), but how should I configure it to Home assistant. (I dont want to use VPN, setting up aws console so need a domain which can be accessed public ally)

humble mirage
#

Are you still behind CGNAT?

dry compass
humble mirage
#

Then... Dynamic DNS isn't going to do anything for you

#

You need something like Cloudflare Tunnels, the Nabu Casa Cloud service, or to build your own relay host in the cloud

manic bane
#

CGNAT means your device is not directly accessible on the internet

dry compass
#

configuring it with nginx

humble mirage
dry compass
humble mirage
#

Then ... you're not behind CGNAT

#

What are the first two sets of numbers of your WAN IP?

dry compass
#

103.48

manic bane
#

CGNAT means your ISP owns the public IP, which is then forwarded to your router (aka no public routability)
If its just your IP address changes then thats a non static IP, which means you have a public routable address just it changes. Easily solved with a dynamic DNS service

humble mirage
#

That's not CGNAT

manic bane
# dry compass 103.48

You may want to censor the last 2 dots, unless you want people on here trying to access your services lol

humble mirage
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The allocated address block is 100.64.0.0/10, i.e. IP addresses from 100.64.0.0 to 100.127.255.255

dry compass
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it doesnt

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My router shows a different ip

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everytime it restarts

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or smthng

manic bane
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Yes so thats a dynamic IP

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You just use a dynamic DNS service

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It is not CGNAT

dry compass
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What I have done to access it:
Used no-ip, works when I am connected to my network but doesnt work with cellular data
DuckDNs - have to change my ip

humble mirage
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Have you set up port forwarding?

manic bane
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Then that sounds like your port forwarding is at fault

humble mirage
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Do you only have a single router/firewall?

dry compass
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I have multiple router but my ha is on my main router

manic bane
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And your router is just using [whatever term it is for dns] to resolve your public IP as a local IP direclty, aka not needing port forwarding

manic bane
humble mirage
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You really should only have a single router... multiple routers is bad

dry compass
dry compass
humble mirage
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That doesn't need multiple routers

manic bane
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Then use some sort of range extender, like a mesh wifi system or powerlines

humble mirage
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Or just access points

manic bane
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Multiple Routers = Multiple Networks
Multiple Powerline/AP/Mesh System = Single Network

dry compass
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I have configured those as access points

manic bane
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So they're not routers, they're just APs

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Does your entire network all use the same local IP address network?

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Like everything on 192.168.0.x or whatever you chose

dry compass
manic bane
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Thats good then

dry compass
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so whats the reason behind not able to access my ha

manic bane
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Basically seems like your port forwarding is broken

dry compass
manic bane
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And are you trying with HTTPS? And does your HA have a SSL certificate

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The other option is your ISP blocks the ports too

dry compass
dry compass
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I tried to set it up from open ssl but failed to do so

manic bane
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Then HTTPS won't work without a cert

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But given 443 doesn't seem to be open on your public IP, either your port forwarding is broken, or your ISP is blocking it

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dry compass
manic bane
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I don't know, depends whether a) you're port forwarding correctly or b) your ISP even allows port forwarding

dry compass
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My isp does, i had a word with them about it

dry compass
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and what does it mean all scanned ports are filtered ?

humble mirage
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It means they're closed/not responding/nothing is listening there

manic bane
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The tool I used is called nmap, this is what a successful port scan looks like

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