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fallen lichen
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How much free space do you have available

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That's a common error (although not very helpful) when you're out of space

vast violet
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Should not be an issue with 64gb sdcard

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Now fun is tonget info console when system is not installed, i ll grab a keyboard tomorrow as SSH is not setup

fallen lichen
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Yeah, that's your best bet

vast violet
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Indeed, not si plug 'n play to setup šŸ˜‰

midnight wasp
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Good evening all, I am back again for more troubleshooting pain. To refresh, my goal is to log into 2021 HA and recover my zones file to put on a fresh install of HA. It is on virtualbox on win 10. I have the supervisor tab, but when I click it, the wheel goes round and round and nothing happens. This means I can not get to backups (which I have none), snapshots, or anything else that used to be in Supervisor tab. I do have ssh installed and today I installed WINSCP. If I could get Samba on there I would be able to get to the zone file. I am not very knowledgable in using ssh or WINSCP, so if I need those to help some coaching would be needed. Is there a way to install Samba without Supervisor tab?

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and ty for the help yesterday NSX šŸ™‚

crude inlet
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@midnight wasp you can't access the backups you don't have...

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snapshots is the old term for backups, so I assume you have none of those either?

midnight wasp
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correct cogneato

crude inlet
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And they would not really be backups if they didn't exist in another place anyway

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so what is it you are trying to recover?

midnight wasp
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but my 2021 install works fine, no issues other than not being able to access supervisor and addons and suck

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such

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I am not after backups that don't exist šŸ™‚

crude inlet
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how many zones do you have that makes recreating them less easy than recovering them?

midnight wasp
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probably 150 or so, quite a few

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2023 install looks and works fine, but did not want to recreate all those zones really

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i dont have a ton of automations or scripts or anything like that, so that is not an issue either

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and I would rather not have 2 different instances either if not necessary

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I mainly have quite a few lights and a few wled controllers and a few other pieces of equipment to control, nothing major

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I'm sure that by most people here's installations, mine is pretty pedestrian šŸ™‚

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I will be glad to go to chat if anyone feels that would make it easier

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matter of fact, I'm in there now in Hangout

midnight wasp
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going to eat, be back in a few minute, ty

midnight wasp
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I'm back in case anyone has any suggestions

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If not, thank you for your time

copper steppe
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TLDR you have an old install of HA that you haven't touched in a while? Is it HAOS or a linux+supervisor or core only?

midnight wasp
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it is on virtualbox on win 10, so I believe it is HAOS

copper steppe
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And it the web interface (ha) is working?

midnight wasp
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yes, all working

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except supervisor of course, see above

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so that limits many things

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matter of fact, I don't even think I can add a repository

copper steppe
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but supervisor must be running, because ha is running, right?

midnight wasp
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when i click supervisor, nothing happens

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wheel just spins

copper steppe
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is there a javascript/console error?
take a step back. what does ha supervisor logs etc look like?

midnight wasp
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let me see if i can find that

copper steppe
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open the console of HAOS VM, not the web interface

midnight wasp
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ahh ok, standby

copper steppe
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modern HA doesn't have supervisor tab anymore, btw, it's merged into other things

midnight wasp
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i understand, but mine is 2021 and it had it back then

copper steppe
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Sure. Anyway, if web doesn't work, look at logs/status/errors using HA cli. I assume it was similar back then.

midnight wasp
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i found vbox.logs

eternal thorn
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i just recently installed HA but ive been trying to install HACS. everything that ive seen has me to go the add-ons to install an SHH & web terminal but i cant get to the add-ons page, it seems to be missing

copper steppe
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@midnight wasp why are you bothering with this old install anyway? what's so valuable in there?

midnight wasp
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i have about 150 or so zones, so I was trying to use samba or something to retrieve the zones json file from the .storage folder

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other than that everything else is pretty pedestrian

copper steppe
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so why don't you just login to haos, then "cat" that file to screen (or scp it off)?

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Why bother trying to fix anything?

midnight wasp
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so the whole effort is really to retrieve that 1 file and merge into a new install of 2023.1

midnight wasp
copper steppe
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you don't have file-editor addon installed then, do you?

midnight wasp
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not trying to really fix anything, just retrieve the zones

copper steppe
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Does system->backups work in your HA install? Just make a backup, then download it.

midnight wasp
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on the web interface i do have the file editor

copper steppe
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So browse to the .storage direction, and open the file???

midnight wasp
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Nope, backups was under the supervisor

copper steppe
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ANYWAY, you've got 60 seconds of my help left. Open the HA CLI, and use supervisor logs or supervisor repair etc

midnight wasp
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i believe all of the areas i need to see in config folder are hidden, with samba installed on 2023 version i could see the hidden files

copper steppe
brittle sail
midnight wasp
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ty for your help

brittle sail
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just start fresh and take this as a learning experience

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you could've been further along by now starting fresh lol

copper steppe
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Why are they hidden? Change the setting

midnight wasp
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ok i opened supervisor logs

fallen lichen
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Your zones should be in /config/.storage/zone

midnight wasp
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correct nsx

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that where i found them in 2023

fallen lichen
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Not true in your old version?

midnight wasp
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what am i looking for in supervisor logs

copper steppe
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an error. presumably it's running?
do you have a regular command prompt on your haos box, or are you in the ha cli?

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answer quick

midnight wasp
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i am in ssh

copper steppe
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you ssh to your ha instance? and you have a command prompt?

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Sheesh just copy the file using scp

midnight wasp
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i have an option on the left called terminal and i clicked in there and then typed ha supervisor logs

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logs showed up in green text

midnight wasp
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thats the whole problem

fallen lichen
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What does that mean

copper steppe
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you're in your old ha? looking at "ha supervisor logs"?

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what does "docker ps" show?

midnight wasp
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yes

copper steppe
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I'm running out of patience here

midnight wasp
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i do not see docker ps in any entry

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i see docker.addon, docker.interface and others

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i can screenshare if you like

copper steppe
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Nah, I'm done

midnight wasp
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ty for trying, sorry to have an issue

copper steppe
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You had 30 mins of my attention. That's more than enough. Give up, and just install latest clean.

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You could have recreated the zones by now

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or googled how to use winscp

midnight wasp
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in 30 min? ok

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tryed winscp as well

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ty waldorf

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and others that tried

placid sage
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hi guys, i just installed home assistant on my open media vault through docker. I ran all the installation via ethernet to make it faster and now that I'm done I'm back on wifi. Here the problem arises. When I give the omv-firstaid command to reconfigure the wifi from omv, the operation ends successfully but then in the end it doesn't connect and even if I try to ping it says: ping: connect: the network is not available

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some idea?

manic bane
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You really shouldn't be running server stuff over wifi...

placid sage
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but in any case the wifi should work...

manic bane
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Why are you forced though

placid sage
manic bane
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No clue. I'm not really sure what open media vault is

placid sage
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ok thanks anyway

acoustic thistle
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In what channel should I ask questions about configuring a USB Bluetooth Dongle?

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Iā€™ve asked 2x in hardware over the last hour, but nobody seems to know.

brittle sail
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It doesnā€™t matter. Hardware or general depending on what itā€™s about

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General I guess

acoustic thistle
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Iā€™m trying to be patient, but I also need to leave in an hour. Iā€™ll be gone overnight.

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Thanks. Iā€™ll try general.

brittle sail
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Everyone donates their time here itā€™s not really a ā€˜unlimited helpdeskā€™

brisk willow
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This isn't exactly peak hours so it's very likely that no one is around who can answer

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And that

acoustic thistle
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I realize that. Hence why Iā€™m trying to be patient.

brittle sail
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Itā€™s better to just ask what you need help with then be redirected if you end up needing to jump channels

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Otherwise itā€™s a waiting game on both parties

placid sage
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as far as you know, after installing docker and its portainer, is there any operation that needs to be done on the network interfaces side?

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now it seems that the ethernet doesn't even respond anymore to my manual commands for the static ip and it chooses an arbitrary one... lol

drifting osprey
brittle sail
drowsy bough
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sorry uh. how do i get a normal prompt in haos

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wanted to run dmesg | grep tty

odd marlin
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login

drowsy bough
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but getting ha > prompt

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ah ok

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thanks.

drowsy bough
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hmm zigbee2mqtt log is not showing that it started...

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[15:39:14] INFO: Socat not enabled
[15:39:15] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-13 15:39:17: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-01-13.15-39-17' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-13 15:39:17: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.29.1 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-13 15:39:17: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.83)```
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it doesnt say it failed...

manic bane
drowsy bough
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just [15:43:46] INFO: Preparing to start... [15:43:47] INFO: Socat not enabled [15:43:47] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT... Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-01-13 15:43:49: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-01-13.15-43-49' filename: log.txt Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-01-13 15:43:49: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.29.1 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-01-13 15:43:49: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.83)

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nothing else showing

manic bane
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No, I said try accessing it, not sharing the same logs again

drowsy bough
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as in do you want me to access mqtt://192.168.1.1:1883?

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or what do i want to be accessing?

manic bane
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Well MQTT is your mqtt broker, not zigbee2mqtt

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How did you install zigbee2mqtt & what install method are you using for HA

drowsy bough
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running haos 9.4 on proxmox

manic bane
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So open the web GUI for zigbee2mqtt then

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See what happens

drowsy bough
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bad gateway

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im running sonoff dongle p haos 9.4 on proxmox 7

quaint grove
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first of all, I want to install HA on my normal PC just to check if it is my thing before i get a dedicated minipc. Because with an backup it should be easy to move.
But I dont find the installation link for windows

humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
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The link to all the install guides is in the channel topic ā˜ļø

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Select Windows and then follow the guide

quaint grove
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I have bin on that side. But maybe my english is to bad but I dont get it

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Home Assistant Operating System for windows is what i want

humble mirage
quaint grove
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yea, but what is (.vdi) for a file? Thats what I should download?

rough falcon
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It says the application (hypervisor) name right in front of it VirtualBox

manic bane
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Its a virtual machine for reference

quaint grove
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i see

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but I did install VirtualBox. But i can only read .xml .vbox

fallen lichen
rough falcon
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maybe a silly question, but you did unzip the file after downloading it, correct?

quaint grove
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IĀ“m getting to it. i just dont untderstand this:
Edit the ā€œSettingsā€ of the VM and go ā€œSystemā€ then ā€œMotherboardā€ and select ā€œEnable EFIā€

rough falcon
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I VirtualBox I thinks it say something like Enable EFI (special OSes only)

quaint grove
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but I did set Enable EFI

rough falcon
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and you set the VM to have 2 cpus as well?

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I just tried that guide and already have HAOS starting up...

quaint grove
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  1. Then go to "Audio" and choose "Intel HD Audio" as Audio Controller.

I cant change the audio controller

humble mirage
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You ... don't need to care about that

rough falcon
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CPUs is under Settings > system > processor

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Curious, what version of VirtualBox do you have?

quaint grove
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VirtualBox 7.0.4 platform packages

quaint grove
rough falcon
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Don't use them all -- Maybe just two 2 to get started. Can always go back and increase the number later -- Having too many can make it not work well

quaint grove
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thank, thats nice. Why is the quality so bad. And I still cant go to http://http://homeassistant:8123/

rough falcon
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sorry about quality, I can try to make another one that's more clear -- I don't make gifs often so I just YOLO'd it šŸ¤£ -- For access to webui, try using the ip address instead of homeassistant

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Make sure you also set network adapter to bridge -- I forget to do that in my GIF

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Sorry, I have no luck improving the GIF quality

quaint grove
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I found another video. Still thx for the idea

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it works

feral pivot
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hi,when i try to install home assistant supervised on rpi4b raspios , How I can fix this error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/lsb_release", line 25, in <module>
import lsb_release
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'lsb_release'

fallen lichen
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You can't install supervised on anything other than Debian

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and even if you want to do that... you shouldn't

feral pivot
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ok,that how i can have add-ons stor?

fallen lichen
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Use HA OS

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Addons are just docker containers... you could also just use a container and then create whatever addons you wanted as other containers, if you're looking to keep your current OS

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Just depends how much management you're comfortable w/

feral pivot
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it works when i clone addons from github and run docker compose?

fallen lichen
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No, you won't be using HA addons if you're going the container route

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For nearly all of the addons though, there are standard Docker images for them

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Node Red, AdGuard, WireGuard, etc

feral pivot
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thanks

brisk willow
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Or even packages from your distro's package manager

dim lark
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Hello guys

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I am stuck with the first installation of HA 9.4 on RPI 4

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WEB GUI is showing "Preparing Home Assistant" and stuck

crude inlet
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There's a blue dot you can click on for logs. You'll probably see it repeatedly failing to download core. Changing DNS on your router or the device itself might help.

dim lark
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23-01-13 16:29:12 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'Updater.fetch_data' blocked from execution, no supervisor internet connection
23-01-13 16:29:12 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

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I am able to ping through the internet

crude inlet
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ping from where

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you're connected to the Pi?

dim lark
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Yes

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HA > login

dim lark
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Any idea how to solve this issue?

crude inlet
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The time is UTC

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@dim lark enter docker exec -it hassio_supervisor /bin/bash and then try ping from within that container

dim lark
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It's pinging normally

dim lark
crude inlet
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the host syncs with ntp servers at boot, so if that's blocked or failing there could be an issue

dim lark
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It's already syncing with an NTP Server in the UTC Timezone

crude inlet
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go ahead and exit the container and then reboot and lets see what happens

dim lark
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Same log appearing

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After reboot

dim lark
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Any troubleshooting ideas?

bold plover
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@dim lark I am currently having the same issue on a new install. It looks like my HA is checking its connection with IPv6 even though it got an ipv4 address from DHCP. So it is failing to download the docker container. Anyone have any ideas why?

copper steppe
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could it have both addr, and got an ipv6 result from dns?

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I don't know how dns and ipv6 work

grand pivot
soft hawk
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Is the DuckDNS method what most people actually use to get access to your Home Assistant dashboard from outside your home? Any downsides to it? Any security risks from the port forwarding?

brittle sail
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Cloudflare is better in every meaningful way with your own domain name

soft hawk
manic bane
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You can find places where they give you 12 months free domain

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But also domains are cheap. Like $10 a year

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And you can do a lot with them

brittle sail
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i tested their free offer on a domain a few months back. still working fine

manic bane
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I just went for my own domain because it's fun. Also have my own email over my domain too

placid sage
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hi guys, after install home assistant in omv via docker im not able to use my external wifi card

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after much searching i found this but he also didn't provide a solution

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initially I had modified /etc/network/interfaces but the whole installation skipped and I had to repeat. Now I understand that I don't have to change in /etc/network/interfaces but I don't know how to start my wifi card

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any support would be much appreciated thanks

manic bane
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@placid sage please don't send me random friend requests

placid sage
manic bane
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Okay, and I am just saying I don't appreciate random friend requests

placid sage
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could you give me a tip please?

placid sage
manic bane
placid sage
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yet you're here texting me, I'm just saying that along with being welcoming you could have said I'm sorry I can't help you.Anyway thank you u'r very kind.
ah by the way omv is based on debian, if you don't know debian i don't see what kind of help you can give here LOL

manic bane
low notch
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Do you pass through the whole card? Better just give it access to the interface

keen hound
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Hello, I have HA installed on virtualbox and I wanted to deploy it on a rpi 3b+. I thought I would have the opportunity to restore a backup from the on-boarding screen but I don't see it.
Is someone able to explain how I could restore my backup on rpi ?

brazen herald
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Assuming the backup is largeish, set it up from new, install the samba add-on, upload your backup, and then restore it after you've uploaded it.

lunar swift
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hi! i got HA running on my yellow a few weeks back and then it just stopped responding, may have corresponded to an update. fast forward a bunch of troubleshooting and i'm doing a fresh reinstall. i am able to watch the install via putty and yellow-installer seems to get hung up after "cam-dummy-reg: disabling" step - anyone have any thoughts on why this might be?

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i think from looking at other logs the next step is an audit?

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i guess one possibility is during install the com port stops transmitting? i am getting a solid red light, yellow heartbeat, and intermittent green

vestal nimbus
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Hi!! i am new for operations for home assistant i visited website and there they say connection is via ethernet only i dont have router from which i can connect ethernet cable . So can i go via setting up wifi (hotspot from my phone)?

fossil spruce
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So I a did I bunch of changes to my mac and now I am trying to re-setup HA with VMBox, I pulled the vdi file from my backup and loaded it back onto controller, see here:

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Wait, we can't paste image?

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Does this work?

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Yup...

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So what I was saying I did this, now I am trying to start up the vm and the screen says this...https://ibb.co/m41qjXL

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What else am missing that I need to add?

low notch
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set the boot order to first select the hdd and make that active

brazen herald
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Why are you pinging me?

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I don't know the answer, or I would have said something.

dry compass
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ohk, sorry

fossil spruce
low notch
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Yus

dry compass
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I am new to this thing, I installed home assistant. It doesnt connect to internet it seems from this image. Can anyone help?
https://ibb.co/NFkjvXL

dry compass
low notch
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Set your haos dns to some public one, thats all i can say to this topic

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Mate

fossil spruce
grand nest
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I do use severall years HA supervised as VM under Unraid on a simple NUC. It worked very nice. I do control all my automations by NodeRed. Since a month NodeRed is corrupted and theNodeRed server will not connect anymore to the supervisor/core, For that reason I did start to use NodeRed as Docker under Unraid. That is working fine, except that connection between NodeRed and HA is very slow, Especially with my Zwave devices. Resulting in switching on light after PIR detection (both Zwave) takes about 10 seconds.
My question: I do read that it must be possible to install HAOS (supervised) as a Docker instead as VM. I can not find that solution in Unraid. Is that possible?

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Is there somewhere a tutorial?

humble mirage
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I also Googled Home Assistant OS unraid and the first hit was a guide

grand nest
humble mirage
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Well, you want HAOS...

grand nest
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I'm running HAOS as VM now

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that gives trouble

humble mirage
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If you want "just Docker" then no Supervisor, no add-ons

grand nest
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oke thanks

humble mirage
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You don't get "supervised" without HAOS

grand nest
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yes I was thinking that also but some people here mentioned that it was also possible as Docker

humble mirage
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There is the Supervised install method, but ... unless you're an actual Linux and Docker expert you should stay away from it

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And if you are, you should know better than to use it

grand nest
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Thanks again.

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Then I do hope there will be a fix for my NodeRed addon

brittle sail
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no reason for it to matter whether you're using a vm in unraid or not

grand nest
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it did run until last supervisor update without any problem
I didn't change anything

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and I'm not the only one see issues on github

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under VM it is running. Only slow

tacit widget
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is there a version of HA that's cannonically always the most up to date one? like will the generic x86-x64 version get the same updates as the rpi versions?

odd marlin
odd marlin
tacit widget
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ah, good to know

humble mirage
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The only thing that's slightly ahead are the pure Core installs, and that's simply because it takes time to build the containers

tacit widget
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but nothing that'll be delayed by months

humble mirage
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This is a matter of tens of minutes though šŸ˜‰

tacit widget
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ah yeh, so completely insignificant then

humble mirage
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Yup

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All the containers are built at the same time, the only time a platform will be "behind" is if it's dropped from support (like the Pi Zero)

tacit widget
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aight, then i'll wait for the SSD i just ordered to come in and i'll turn my old laptop into a more rugged install of HAOS than i currently have struggling on my rpi 3b

odd marlin
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There was an issue a few days ago where 2023.1.3 came out but container builds were broken until 2023.1.4, but that's definitely not a normal thing

tacit widget
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no processsor power used, but 0.7gb out of a whole 1 that it has being used

placid sage
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some idea?

brazen herald
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It's having problems with the SQLite DB. What install method are you using on what hardware?

placid sage
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What else do you think I could do?

brazen herald
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Well as long as it eventually starts up you can check the repairs section for other problems.

placid sage
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no it didn't start anymore i reinstalled. What are the advantages of having a supervised version over the os?

odd marlin
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Supervised only has disadvantages. Nobody should run it

tacit widget
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but supervised =/= haos, which has a supervisor right?

odd marlin
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Right, Supervised is a different install than HAOS but both do use the supervisor. HAOS is good, Supervised is not good

brazen herald
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Supervised is signing up to manage the whole OS yourself to exacting standards, plus manage the containers. Going off book even slightly results in an unsupported system.

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HAOS manages all of that for you.

manic bane
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And the best part is supervised has the same restrictions/ limitations as HAOS (aka no running external programs)! šŸ˜„

brazen herald
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Yup. The number one reason people want Supervised is to break it.

brisk willow
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"I want more control"
|| Then run HA Container ||

fossil spruce
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But now I have the enp0s3 problem of no ipv4 address...

fossil spruce
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LMAO All I had to do was change the Bridge Adapter from Ethernet to Wifi...

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smh all those hours wasted again haha...

stark wharf
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I'm losing my mind. I was able to flash home assistant os on rpi4, but somehow devices connected via wifi on my home network aren't able to access the hoass gui. I've tried the IP:8132 which works on any device connected via ethernet, but once you disconnect and connect to the same network via wifi, the url stops working. Any ideas?

manic bane
brittle sail
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@grand pivot you around? <@&330946878646517761> wonā€™t work and thereā€™s a porn spam bot

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Ah it did work.. just wouldnā€™t let me choose it from a list.

manic bane
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Discord bieng discord

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Or maybe someone turned off the ability to ping mod.....

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Because if its not coming up in the list usually means something is broke

brittle sail
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Maybe nsa is doing a backup

manic bane
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Like @ everyone will go blue, even if you can't actually ping it

brittle sail
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Itā€™s working in my server

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But thereā€™s been circumstances where discord is broken for big servers but not small ones

stark wharf
manic bane
stark wharf
manic bane
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And for your IP address on your device has the same subnet? (Eg if the Pi is 192.168.0.55 then your devices over wifi also have a 192.168.0.x IP address)

stark wharf
manic bane
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What happens if you open terminal on your mac and ping 192.168.1.64

stark wharf
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PING 192.168.1.64 (192.168.1.64): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.1.64: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.619 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.64: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.752 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.64: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.647 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.64: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.761 ms

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etc.

manic bane
#

So it can connect, and if you do try 192.168.1.64:8123 in a web browser nothing loads?

stark wharf
#

Lol my bad. I forgot i had ethernet connected when pinging

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when i removed, I wasn't able to connect. Got timeout errors for each packet

manic bane
#

Then something on your network is stopping the communication

stark wharf
#

Yeah, i'll do some more digging around to see if I can figure out what's causing the interference between ethernet/wifi devices

manic bane
#

Check if theres some sort of network isolation going on

stark wharf
#

I got it to work! Reset to default firewall settings for the network. I think it was doing some packet filtering. Not sure

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Thank you for your help!

vale panther
#

Hi All. I am looking for recommendations for a bullet proof hardware. I currently am using an Intel Nuc DN2820 as a test bed and it is suffering with regular crashes which I cannot get to the bottom of. I have previously used a Pi 3 which is reliable as long as I don't run many addons. I need something that will not need intervention from me regularly as I travel frequently. I'm using zigbee, esphome and HACs so that I can drive my Sonof panel with lovelace backend. Any suggestions?

manic bane
#

A NUC should be fine. Are you using HAOS?

vale panther
#

Hi yes, standard haos Home Assistant 2022.12.9
Supervisor 2022.12.1
Operating System 9.4
Frontend 20221213.1 - latest

manic bane
#

What do the logs say then for the crashes. You have the right hardware, I'm just curious why its crashing

vale panther
#

Nothing in the logs. Now connected with a screen and keyboard it appears that core crashes but supervisor runs. Currently running supervisor with log level debug to try to catch something.

manic bane
#

You would want to be watching the core logs tbh if core is crashing

vale panther
#

yup doing that but I can't get them to report debug level

placid sage
#

šŸ‘‹

manic bane
vale panther
#

by using the --log-level debug switch

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it works on the supervisor command

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Also is there a pipe or page command I can use to see the logs as they page by too quickly?

manic bane
main furnace
#

Im moving from Docker to kubernetes, whats the best way to back and restore? Just a simple config folder copy/paste? Or is there a better way?

humble mirage
#

Assuming that includes all the hidden files and folders

main furnace
#

Should be. I need to double check that kubectl cp does copy hidden files too.

placid sage
#

power went out and now HA blue boots to this screen

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does that mean my drive is bad?

low notch
#

most likely a partition got corrupted

placid sage
vale panther
errant violet
#

hi can i run home assistant on a pi 3 a+. i legit could not find any others

brazen herald
#

No, it's not powerful enough. But you can use any PC, it doesn't have to be a Pi

humble mirage
#

Well, a Pi3 is going to be ok, not great, but ok

brazen herald
#

*Any PC that supports UEFI boot if you want HAOS

humble mirage
#

I'd agree though, find something better

brazen herald
humble mirage
#

I believe the A is too for HAOS

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Could be wrong though

brazen herald
#

I remember: the A doesn't have ethernet.

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And 512mb of RAM

humble mirage
#

What ... the fuck

brazen herald
#

That'll be a "nope" from me

humble mirage
brazen herald
humble mirage
#

That's ... fucked up

low notch
#

its always b since the first one

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while A has also existed since the first revision

brazen herald
low notch
#

what do you think about pi4 with 1gb ?

humble mirage
#

I mean... you take a reasonable starter platform, and then nerf it...

brittle sail
brazen herald
brittle sail
#

i installed hass on one for a buddy with ssd booting but he never paid me to configure it so it just sat there idle for like 6 months

odd marlin
#

I didn't know people even bought the A+. I only ever recall the B+ being for sale around here (when the pi3 was still the latest pi)

errant violet
low notch
#

oh I see

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there was

brazen herald
odd marlin
#

Maybe it was only really for sale in certain channels

low notch
#

thats what the new "A" is, A+.
the original "A" still has 750mhz

odd marlin
brittle sail
#

i did have to hook up an external monitor to turn off secure boot in bios tho

errant violet
turbid sinew
#

Wiring noise

brazen herald
#

This isn't a search engine

odd marlin
#

sad wire noises

brazen herald
#

Apparently we're a special effects sound box šŸ˜„

humble mirage
#

Joined in October last year, never posted until today...

errant violet
low notch
#

bruh

errant violet
#

ik but im assuming he hears sparking or something

brazen herald
#

Or be trying to run speaker cable

humble mirage
#

Or is trying to make noise with wiring

odd marlin
#

auto correct wants it to be whirring noise

turbid sinew
#

@catdoogao, posted when I wanted to be searching.n#9619

low notch
#

wow that is a long line

brazen herald
#

But Discord search is great for problem solving Chef_kiss

odd marlin
#

I lurked here for about a year

plush portal
#

When migrating from HA in docker to HAOS (in VM), is using backup and restore a valid way to do it?

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^ backup and restore in the HA UI that is

humble mirage
#

Yes

plush portal
#

Perfect

grand flame
#

Hi all,
very new to HA i got most of what i wished to work. I'm now trying for a couple of days to get HTTPS enabled from outside, but thing are weird to my understanding.
I set up a NAT rule with its firewall rule. It forwards the outside port 8043 to port 8123.
I installed DuckDNS that is starting without errors and installed NGINX that also starts without issues.
I added the HTTP section in the configuration.yaml that only holds the use_x_forwarded_for and the trusted_proxies as posted on various forums.
HTTPS is not working at all not from outside and neither from inside.
HTTP is working from inside and surprisingly HTTP is working from outside.
I as not aware about this discord server, so my hope is again growing to get the answer here šŸ™‚

humble mirage
#

Sounds like you forwarded the port to HA, not to NGINX

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Router -> NGINX -> HA is the route the packets should be taking

grand flame
#

here what i see in the logs but i found no solution to it on internet
'2023-01-15 22:17:35.444 ERROR (MainThread) [aiohttp.server] Error handling request
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/aiohttp/web_protocol.py", line 334, in data_received
messages, upgraded, tail = self._request_parser.feed_data(data)
File "aiohttp/_http_parser.pyx", line 551, in aiohttp._http_parser.HttpParser.feed_data
aiohttp.http_exceptions.BadStatusLine: 400, message="Bad status line 'Invalid method encountered'"'

grand flame
#

is nginx running on the same ip as HA or is it in the 172.30.33.0/24 range ?

humble mirage
#

It'll appear to be in the 172.30.33.0/24 range

grand flame
#

thank you for your help, got a step further, getting a connection refused message now

humble mirage
#

Check the logs for HA and the proxy server

grand flame
#

just reading it šŸ™‚

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hmmm, i do not find anything, scanned all logs.
there is no new entry when i make a request from outside but i still get connection refused

humble mirage
#

Well, if you get nothing at all, then maybe it's not even reaching the proxy server

grand flame
#

currently i'm forwarding the outside port 8043 to 443 targeting the ip resolved by homeassistant.local because it is what i see in the various documentation. I do not know the IP of the nginx instance.
I'm using a virtualbox VM on windows šŸ˜

humble mirage
#

Are you using the NGINX add-on?

grand flame
#

and connection refused makes me think the forwarding is working. Yes i use the add-on

winter sage
#

Hey I am running my HA in docker together with other containers, I am trying to make all containers available through nginx, but my problem is that I can't seem to get subdirectory to work for homeassistant(till my understanding it's unsupported). But my problem is if I make it as the base directory, and for example node-red available at domain/proxy/nodered homeassistant still checks for authrization on the subdirectory, is there a workaround for this?

humble mirage
#

No

brittle sail
#

Subdomains are just better man

humble mirage
grand flame
winter sage
humble mirage
humble mirage
#

I doubt it though

winter sage
#

Isn't there a way to just exclude domain/proxy/ from HA?

gentle basalt
#

Hello can someone please help me?

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Everytime i boot on Virtual Machine i get something with startup.nsh and then it just freezes.

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it says " Press ESC in 1 seconds to skip startup.nsh or any other key to continue. "

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But i dont press anything and it just freezes

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Now it says " Booting 'Slot A (OK=0 TRY=0) ' "

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If somebody knows something can you please ping me :)

grand flame
#

got it working, thank you again for your help, you put the finger on the most important issue that was as big as the nose in the face. probably i would have searched for ages before turning back on my router

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the remaining issue was that i had not activated the ports in the nginx settings

misty atlas
#

Question in migrating HA. I currently run home-assistant on docker, looking through docker I see there are containers just just about every integration I have. I want to migrate to new hardware. Should I be migrating every container and it's mounts?

acoustic thistle
misty atlas
acoustic thistle
#

"You don't need to floss all of your teeth, just the ones you plan to keep".

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Sorry, I have a tendency to be sarcastic.

acoustic thistle
#

I purposefully use local data mounts, and docker-compose . That way, if I need to migrate, I just bring down the stack, and make a tar archive of each item.

misty atlas
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I've never really played much with docker before. But I rsynced the mounts over and doing a commit/save and going to load them up and see how it goes.

acoustic thistle
misty atlas
#

So trying to migrate my docker containers.. Was running on arm64...Moving to AMD64, was able to get past that error with --platform and specifying amd64.. But container wont run because it fails with "exec /init: exec format error" going to assume it's the wrong homeassistant build for the architecture and wont work.. Anything i can do to restore what i have on new hardware?

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or would i need to run a VM then import it all

grand pivot
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It will pick the right arch if you just pull :stable

misty atlas
#

I'd lose what I have tho by pulling an new image?

grand pivot
#

No

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Images have nothing persistent. They're disposable

#

Your config is in whatever directory you mapped from the host

misty atlas
#

Ah thanks!

opal vine
#

Anyone have steps on restoring HA OS to HA docker? Linux n00b way out of my depth here

humble mirage
#

Unzip you backup and find the HA config folder, extract that to disk in your chosen location

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unzip and tar are the commands you need

carmine vector
#

Hi there, I have HA OS on a RPi Compute with a NVME drive connected. I found the ā€žmove HA buttonā€œ and it seems it actually moved my HA to the NVME because it now shows 2TB free storage. Problem is, I cannot find my config.yaml anymore. How can I locate it? Search didnā€™t help so far. I donā€™t recognize the folder structure that Studio Code Server is showing me. Any advice?

humble mirage
manic bane
humble mirage
#

Should be, but ... I don't use it or HAOS

#

So... shrug

manic bane
humble mirage
#

This is one of those cases where a picture would help, so we'd know what they're seeing

dry compass
#

hello,
i was trying to port my home assistant server with duckdns and have gone into a trouble. Now i unistalled the addon from the Home Assistant os. Removed it from my router. But still can't access my web home assistant. What I have access for is the mosquitto page which cant be used to do anything. Please help me get back mine to normal

humble mirage
#

If you set it up to use SSL you still have to use https:// until you remove that setting

#

Did you try https:// and the local IP (and port)?

dry compass
humble mirage
#

You always have a local IP, whether you set it or not

humble mirage
dry compass
#

did try that with normal homeassistant.local:8123

humble mirage
#

https://homeassistant.local:8123/?

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Or just http://?

dry compass
#

I have access to this

humble mirage
#

And?

#

Right, that's expected if you haven't removed the ssl lines and restarted HA

#

I'm not sure what the pretty pictures are supposed to be showing

dry compass
#

wrong pic sry

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ill show the one

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@dry compass When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
dry compass
dry compass
humble mirage
#

Ok... so you have access

dry compass
manic bane
dry compass
dry compass
dry compass
humble mirage
dry compass
#

It was app normal before

humble mirage
#

That doesn't make "thing" any clearer

#

and also thing says permission denied
What on earth are you referring to here?

#

Pictures may well help

dry compass
dry compass
#

still dont have access

humble mirage
#

You're trying to treat directories (folders) like programs to run... I'm guessing you're never touched a command line before

#

Try

ls
humble mirage
dry compass
humble mirage
#

Yes

dry compass
#

so just ls?

humble mirage
dry compass
humble mirage
#

Is ... that not what I said?

dry compass
humble mirage
humble mirage
manic bane
dry compass
manic bane
#

The big red log out button

image.png
#

Then log in with your credentials that you know of

dry compass
manic bane
#

And if you don't know your username or password then thats another problem

dry compass
manic bane
#

Then log out and log back in

dry compass
#

gets me back to the same page

humble mirage
manic bane
dry compass
#

can I remove mosquitto and try?

humble mirage
#

No

#

log out

#

As in the picture shown above

manic bane
#

Not close the browser. not delete a user

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Press the big red log out button

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If you have to, first press mosqitto in the bottom left

dry compass
manic bane
#

So then log in again

dry compass
#

i have the same username pass for both ig

#

this kind of link it is showing on top

manic bane
#

That kind of link doesn't really matter

dry compass
#

oh

#

ohk

#

now can I do something?

manic bane
#

Well... did you log in

dry compass
#

yes

manic bane
#

Also more importantly, how did you originally change the config

dry compass
#

the mosquitto page again

dry compass
manic bane
#

So you need to gain access to your account to use that again. Your bigger issue is somehow you do not know your username/ you have deleted your own user

dry compass
#

so i have to start again it means

#

which I can do cause didint had a lot of code in it

manic bane
#

Did you do backups?

dry compass
#

unfortunately

#

no

#

but I do have access to the device I added to the dashboard

#

and they work

hollow rapids
manic bane
# dry compass no

As a last ditch effort, open a private browsing window, go to https://homeassistant.local:8123 and log in again. Just checking to ensure theres no caching going on

dry compass
#

same*

#

Ill go for the reset but dont know how to do it

manic bane
#

Reinstall HAOS

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That'll do it

dry compass
#

ok, thanks.

#

also 1 more thing, can i do something to make these files editable in my pc.

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so i wont get into trouble like such again

humble mirage
carmine vector
humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

brazen herald
dry compass
#

I have multiple routers at my home, the home assistant work with only 1. What can i do so it works with all?

low notch
#

home assistant does not support being installed on a router

manic bane
#

And if it's a network issue... We also need more info

low notch
#

we do network issues now?

manic bane
#

If it's something simple

#

Like if each of those routers are DHCP servers and issue separate IPs lol

dry compass
#

I mean i have home assistant installed on a device

manic bane
#

And the answer to that is just don't

dry compass
#

I use the router that the os is connected to login

#

When I choose other routers and try login it doesnt work

manic bane
#

If you have 3 separate routers which all issue IP addresses and don't allow communication between them. Then rethink your network

#

By the sounds of it your network is set up poorly

tacit widget
#

could be that they mean switches not routers?

#

but as what most people see as a router, is basically a modem with a switch and a DHCP server

#

there's like 4 switches in our house, but only one main router

#

or wifi access points that do the dumb thing where they are all their own DHCP server so one is on 192.168.33.[x] while another is on 192.168.2.[x] etc

humble mirage
#

I've seen too many people plug in multiple WiFi routers and create a clusterfuck of their network

tacit widget
#

oh yeah, "range extenders" that don't extend the network at all but instead just make more of a mess

humble mirage
#

I'd not be surprised if they've got one router connected to their ISP device, another with the WAN port hanging off that, and another again hanging off one of those two

#

This is sadly common when people don't understand networks

tacit widget
#

took my like a day to unfuck the network my dad set up recently. after i realised he did do the thing i just said. which is not disabeling DHCP on every indevidual AP

#

meanwhile the TP link wifi AP i got to add to it to fill a hole in the network just meshes out of the box. it expects you to not want it to asign IP's itself

carmine vector
misty atlas
#

i done goofed. Migrated my HA docker containers including supervisor to a new machine.. After dealing with some hardware mismatch etc i got it up and running. But didn't know until now that Ubuntu isn't supported for running supervisor in docker.. am i going to need to start over using pure debian now?

odd marlin
#

Don't run Supervised. Pick either HAOS or Container

dry compass
#

https://ibb.co/GpnGkqB
I set up my new home assistant after reseting (removing everything form disk and installing new) my old one and this appears

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oh nvm

#

it was on https

#

i removed the s

misty atlas
#

well with container i lose the ability to have add-ons and other things it looks like?

humble mirage
#

Well, yes, but add-ons aren't magic

#

They're just software in a container, modified for the Supervisor

#

If you're going to run Supervised do read the requirements, and if you're going to ignore them be aware that you've set yourself up for failure

normal fjord
odd marlin
#

HAOS does

brazen herald
carmine vector
brazen herald
#

It will have updated its default path when you did that I suspect

empty nova
#

Having trouble installing Home Assistant Core Update. I have left it for hours and it still won't finish the installing process. I am running home assistant on a Raspberry Pi 3.

#

Nevermind it seems to have updated now.

tacit widget
#

the HAOS install has now been sucessfully moved from a rpi, to a old 5th gen i5 laptop i still had on its SSD

normal fjord
# odd marlin HAOS does

So for HA the only options for add-on store is HAOS (which I can't use on my setup) or Supervisor?

#

On another set-up I have Core + HACS but I needed the add-on store to get room assistant set-up in my set-up.

odd marlin
#

You don't need add-ons, they're just Docker containers

#

If you can't or don't want to run HAOS, then Container is the only other sensible install

crude inlet
humble mirage
winter sage
#

How can I create a certificate for nginx through cloudflare tunnel? since I am only able to map a domain to one port, and would need acme-challenge on port 80

normal fjord
# crude inlet Are you running Core container on this system?

On the one that I have already installed I'm running core plus Hacs. But there are some issues with getting room assistant and MQTT set up correctly. So I have another pi that I was going to throw supervisor on and follow the guide based around supervisor and the add-on store.

normal fjord
humble mirage
normal fjord
# humble mirage <a:blink:709124808297807984>

[warn]
[error] Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) is not supported!
dpkg: error processing archive homeassistant-supervised.deb (--install):
new homeassistant-supervised package pre-installation script subprocess retu rned error exit status 1
[info] Undo divert on abort-install
No diversion 'diversion of /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to /etc/Ne tworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.real by homeassistant-supervised', none remo ved.

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@normal fjord When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
#

Supervised ... only on Debian

#

Given it's a Pi, just use HAOS

normal fjord
humble mirage
#

@normal fjord you can

#

@normal fjord stop tagging

#

@normal fjord me

#

And ... so does Supervised

normal fjord
#

Sorry

humble mirage
#

You should actually read the Supervised requirements

sage hill
#

is this where I ask question about installation?

humble mirage
#

Yes

sage hill
#

I am new to this discord community and I want to make sure I follow the rule

#

so I am trying to get into home assistant. I was going to try to run it on my raspberry pi 4 but looking at various video and tutorial it look like a pc is much better specially if I want to run plex and other stuff

odd marlin
#

If you already own a pi4, you can certainly use that and it will likely be fine as long as you put the data disk on an SSD

sage hill
#

i have an old hp compaq ultra slim 7900 which I want to use it for home assistant. I followed a video on youtube but that person is using a different pc than my. i did the generic x86-64 using etcher but i cannot find the bios configuration to change UEFI Boot mode

odd marlin
#

How old is it? If it's really old it might not have UEFI

sage hill
#

probably because I cannot find UEFI

#

I can send a screenshot of my bios setting

odd marlin
#

Quick googling say that's from 2011 or so? That'd put it at ~12 years old which is probably before they started putting UEFI boot on their machines

sage hill
#

But i think it has the power to run home assistance

odd marlin
#

It might have the power to run it, but it's incapable of running HAOS without UEFI

#

You'd have to do the Container install instead

sage hill
#

How do i do that

#

Yeah Iā€™m sure it doesnā€™t have UEFI

odd marlin
#

Like I said before though you could also install to the pi4 now since you already have one. If you decide in the future that you've outgrown that hardware, you can always easily migrate to a more powerful system later on

sage hill
#

let me see if I can find a video tutorial on that

#

since I never used ducker before

sage hill
#

Ok so i installed docker on my windows computer and trying to find a video showing how to install home assistant on my ssd which Iā€™m going to use on my Home assistant computer but cannot find any video all video are mac or ubuntu does anybody has a link to a video tutorial. And do I need windows install on the computer Iā€™m planning to run home assistant

brazen herald
#

Of the two options in the documentation I'd recommend the virtual machine.

manic bane
#

And if you don't need to use the computer recommend installing Linux anyway

sage hill
#

I have a mac computer. But this seeing so complicate. How can I rum homeassistant on a pc just dedicate for home assistant. Of course I donā€™t want to use my mac nor my gaming windows pc

pallid lake
#

sff pc

sage hill
copper steppe
#

I've got two of the thinkcentre. They're great.

sage hill
#

Can they run plex fine

copper steppe
#

I run proxmox natively on them, and HAOS in a VM. Works lovely, and I can use the box for other things.

#

Should be fine to run plex. Depending on what you get, they have decent CPUs and halfway-decent onboard video

#

Mine are "Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6500T CPU @ 2.50GHz"

pallid lake
#

can you do frigate with onboard gpu on it?

#

seeing as they have enabled gpu support in .12

sage hill
#

So I just set this old computer aside and was putting it away when I saw a mac mini i have in the store room. Can I use that as my home assistant.

copper steppe
#

@sage hill I don't see why not, if it's an intel mac. You might have "driver issues" maybe, like wifi and bluetooth. No idea

#

@pallid lake no idea, they're not fancy/modern GPUs, so probably not.

manic bane
sage hill
#

Will give it a try

merry galleon
#

I just bought think center tiny and having trouble booting into the bios

#

The screen stays blank until Ubuntu loads

#

Even F1 key does not help

manic bane
fallen lichen
grand pivot
#

You may also need an older, crappier monitor

#

It didn't like my 4K LG, but loved my 10 year old piece of garbage from my last job

manic bane
#

Vga is great for forcing compatibility

grand pivot
#

BIOS is most finicky

#

I got a little 8" monitor

topaz cave
manic bane
copper steppe
#

Tried the remote management kvm? Might help

merry galleon
#

Right now Iā€™m using an hdmi to vga adapter to connect it to my monitor. Iā€™ll try mini DP

merry galleon
merry galleon
copper steppe
#

Itā€™s software bro. Called mesh commander iirc

#

From another Pc on your lan

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If your particular thinkcentre has it

merry galleon
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Iā€™ll need to enter the bios to set that up too šŸ˜œ

merry galleon
fallen lichen
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Nice, glad that worked!

quick karma
#

Wow it is actually insane how much easier it is to get things working once I gave up on docker and switched to HAOS

muted sentinel
#

How much ram do you need to run HA? Is 512 mb (a rasberry pi 3 a+) enough?

humble mirage
#

Short answer ... no

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You're going to want at least 1 GB of RAM, and more is good. Also... something better than a Pi is great.

muted sentinel
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Humm. Tried setting it ut in hyper-v comp but virtualization and using a usb-dongle doesnt work superwell. :/

humble mirage
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Dongle for what?

muted sentinel
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Zigbee

humble mirage
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Buy a network connected one

muted sentinel
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Ah! Humm.. Gotta see if I can return this one then. šŸ¤£
Thanks for the tip!

fallen lichen
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If you must use Windows, VirtualBox is another alternative that should let you passthrough the device

humble mirage
#

You can also run Zigbee2MQTT for your Zigbee stack, and that should function on a Pi3a

muted sentinel
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@fallen lichen Cant run virtualbox and hyper-v /docker desktop at the same time. :/

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Humm. I guess I can run Zigbee2MQTT on the host and put ha in a vm/container

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Having a custom setup feels kind of meh tho tbh. Bound to run into wierd problems noone else has. šŸ˜¦

humble mirage
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Not really

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Lots of people use Z2M

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Biggest issue is that the Pi3a is crappy

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(really, for this, very crappy)

muted sentinel
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And there is a supplyissue so I cant buy rp3b or rp4. :/

humble mirage
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You don't want to mix Zigbee and WiFi on the same device, that way leads to pain

muted sentinel
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Alright

fallen lichen
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Get an ultra small form factor PC instead, they're pretty cheap used

odd marlin
humble mirage
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Even new... I picked up a Ryzen based mini-PC the other day for relative chump change

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Low power, tiny, silent, and screaming fast

muted sentinel
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That's a good alternative. I'm probably gonna try running it on the hardware I have first and see if home automation is for me. šŸ˜‰

copper kernel
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I changed internet provider and got a new modem. Before local ips were x.x.0.1, now x.x.1.1. The problem is that now every single device showing unavailable as a status and can't be reached. Can someone tell me is there a way to fix this without re-adding all these devices?

brittle sail
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You got a new router access point combo

copper kernel
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Otherwise they can be accessed. For example shelly devices are showing in their app.

brittle sail
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Some let you change the default subnet, some donā€™t

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You can login to the admin panel using the info on sticker on side of the device and change it

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And change admin password so no one in your house can login by seeing a sticker on it

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And change Wi-Fi username and pass while in there

copper kernel
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Actually, I would rather change devices ips if it's possible from some sort of configuration, since I already set up everything on the modem itself.

brittle sail
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But unless your devices are set to have static ips then youā€™re still gonna have a bad time

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Again, not modem.

odd marlin
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It's probably a modem/router/AP combo

copper kernel
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Its optical modem, some ZTE.

odd marlin
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Semantics aside, you usually just have to remove the integrations when IPs change and then re-add them

copper kernel
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I could do that, but would skip that if possible, since there are a lot of devices and I'm not sure will I lose all the info about electricity consumption per device, which is logged until today?

brittle sail
hybrid lily
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Am I overlooking the option, or is there no way to restore a backup from within the interface?

placid sage
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ive had plenty of problems with a ram hungry VM install of HA so I have gone native with a spare NUC.
Quick question - the boot usb drive and installation process > does that format and use the internal SSD that I have in the NUC for ongoing use once the install has finished?

brittle sail
hybrid lily
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ok

fallen lichen
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Also, I wouldn't imagine RAM usage between a VM and bare metal to be different. It depends on how you were checking RAM, too, it may have appeared to use a lot of RAM, but it may have just been caches

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Also also.... it's definitely up to you but just HA alone on a NUC leaves a decent amount of unused processing power. You definitely could use addons to do more things, but you may consider running HA OS as a VM or just the container install as alternatives to use the NUC for other things, too

placid sage
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It was crashing out after using up 4GB of allocated ram on an 8GB i5 2.4GHZ on a VM (HA OS)

manic bane
placid sage
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With just Unraid running and the HA VM it was pinning the RAM at +90% - as soon as I added traccar or frigate it just fell over

manic bane
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Oh and static IPs

fallen lichen
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Frigate is relatively intensive processing wise. But HA alone without addons isn't normally going to use 4GB+

placid sage
fallen lichen
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You may run into the same issues again.... best to try to track it down by either disabling things ... or even starting slower and adding things over a longer period of time so it's easier to tell what the issue might be coming from

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If you still can access the terminal of the machine, you can look at resource utilization as well to help troubleshoot

placid sage
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The VM was thrashing the system - it just didnt like it .
The HA build was copied over from a (slow) but functional rPi3 to what I was hoping would be a quicker experience.

rare patio
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Hello. Quick question: which is the ideal VM installation, OS or Core? What's the difference?

fallen lichen
brazen herald
placid sage
brazen herald
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You need to find out what was using all the RAM then

brittle sail
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unraid VMs only use what ram you allocate to it

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my guess is pci e lane issues mixed w/ misconfiguration that led to it falling over lol

brazen herald
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It could also be that moving the install caused some errors in the config that needed fixing and something was very unhappy and got into a memory-eating spiral of doom

brittle sail
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yea but it shouldnt have been able to access ram outside the vm

brazen herald
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They didn't say it did, just that it used up all the RAM

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a VM that runs out of RAM will crash

brittle sail
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"The VM was thrashing the system"

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i guess we have different ideas of what thrashing means

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mind-blown.jpg

vapid stag
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I'm trying to migrate away from my pi. I have a personal server with i7 and 64GB RAM, lots of storage.
I saw notes here :
https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/
That discusses container or core installation methods.
I'm looking at the VM (OS) method.
Any tips or things I should think about while attempting this?

manic bane
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If you go from OS to OS then a full backup on the pi, restored into the VM is perfectly fine and will give you everything back

vapid stag
manic bane
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For HAOS the answer is If using Home Assistant OS, update to version 7 or later.

vapid stag
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so I tried running that to install systemd-journal-remote

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Sorry 7.6

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šŸ¤” that's interesting. I'm actually on 6.6 despite it saying I am on 7.6

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disregard. Mental error

odd marlin
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You're really far out of date

vapid stag
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yeah apparently šŸ˜‚

odd marlin
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Current HAOS is 9.4

vapid stag
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I was on like 4.x previously tonight

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Feels like it's only been 4ish years but man has it improved

vapid stag
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I'm on 8.5 and trying to update to 9.4 but I've tried 5 times. It says installing, then goes through the normal motions of starting back up. Screen doesn't update and still stuck at 8.5 as well. I checked known issues and did not find one with update failing.

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  1. Checked known issues - nada
  2. Checked the logbook and it's not showing anything under home assistant supervisor update or OS updates.
  3. terminal is showing 8.5 still.
  4. Checked home-assistant.log - nothing referencing update failures. Only for old integrations.
odd marlin
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It might be easier to just download a full backup, reinstall, and restore

copper kernel
manic bane
copper kernel
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Will that delete the previous data about energy consumption per devices?

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I mean when I readd them, will it recognize previous consumption?

manic bane
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Might not

tight canyon
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Hi, i just migrated HA from sdcard to ssd and restored my backup file, now my addons wont start, anyone knows why? šŸ„“

manic bane
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Tried a host restart? Not just HA restart

tight canyon
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Ah, its running on a pi4 son you mean restart the system

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Im restarting it now hope it works dont want to reconfigure evrything šŸ˜…

tight canyon
dreamy spindle
#

What is the best way to migrate from home assistant OS to docker on Ubuntu with out losing your setup!

supple basin
#

how do we feel about running HA on TrueNas Core?

manic bane
#

@lavish anvil

supple basin
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I need to get it off of my windows server VM

lavish anvil
#

Who dareth pingeth me

humble mirage
#

Core isn't technically supported, since HA Core is only for Linux, but ... it works

lavish anvil
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But yes, Truenas Core works... in a jail, but it isn't supported

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I suggest moving to Truenas scale or pure debian

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And running containers

supple basin
#

That does make sense.

lavish anvil
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I believe... the migration to scale is now "straightforward"

supple basin
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I have a windows addiction I am trying to break.

lavish anvil
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but when I did it 2 years ago it was rip and replace

manic bane
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@humble mirage btw love your 'a google thumbs up', wheres the apple thumbs up or microsoft thumbs up? šŸ˜›

humble mirage
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They don't do fun

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Apple's thumb comes with a ā‚¬10K pricetag, per use

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Microsoft's has been deprecated and a new thumb is coming soon

supple basin
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and geolocation.

lavish anvil
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Apple, cisco, IBM, same shit different user group

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But @supple basin if you want to get your feet wet, move to pure debian

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I just find the whole truenas ecosystem very limiting

manic bane
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Debian is fun

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Easy to use

lavish anvil
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btw, what pool sizes \ memory footprint do you have ?

supple basin
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I'm just building the machine

lavish anvil
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ah, so no migration

supple basin
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nope

lavish anvil
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then don't do core

supple basin
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fresh install

manic bane
lavish anvil
#

but, are you aware of how zfs works ?

humble mirage
#

Scale is Linux, and you've got access to Docker and all the good fu

lavish anvil
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@humble mirage actually.. you don't

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they force you to use the middleware now

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deprecating docker commands \ docker compose

humble mirage
lavish anvil
#

yet another reason why I left

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also the fact that any driver installs I make persistent gets overwritten on any upgrade

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fucking appliances

manic bane
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Even for an appliance

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Thats shit

humble mirage
#

So, like ||HAOS then||

lavish anvil
#

it's a great starting point for zfs tbh, but that is the only thing it has going for it, gives nothing to the home user

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great for enterprise that wants scalable zfs appliances and outsource services

manic bane
lavish anvil
#

with the limitations of zfs users are better off with something like unraid, but I would rather do something else

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users be like "yeah I have 3 drives now, I will add a fourth one down the line to zfs"

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yeah no

ionic steeple
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Hi all! Can somebody help - cant run last HACS+HA Š½Š° pi1b+.
Previously used that old platform with some Z-wave sensors, but SD - dead.
Im use Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) / Kernel: Linux 5.15.84+/ portainer+docker.
HACS dont work with old HA, but last version what run on pi1b+ its 2022.6.6 Can any IT-Necromancers help me?

manic bane
humble mirage
ionic steeple
humble mirage
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Well, HAOS won't because a Pi1 is ancient

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I mean, my watch is faster, and has more RAM

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It's time to embrace the 21st century

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Almost any second hand PC from the last decade will be a big improvement, and many are low power too (particularly laptops)

ionic steeple
humble scaffoldBOT
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@ionic steeple When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
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Well, yes, SD cards die...

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If you have backups then you can restore them to a really old HAOS install

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Or... buy something second hand and move on

drifting osprey
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I have a extremely old Pi1B (2012) you could try...

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I finally found a use for it a while back! running a Z-Wave.me HAT via ser2net...

lavish anvil
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pi1 WHAT

drifting osprey
#

but it's permanently retired now.

lavish anvil
#

might as well run HA on a guitar pedal

cerulean star
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Dear Discorders, I have been searching the web in general and the community.home-assistant.io forums specifivally, but I can't get the most recent version of HA to install via "pip3 install homeassistant==2023.1.5". I always get a message "No matching distribution found for homeassistant==2023.1.5".
This is on a Raspberry Pi with Python 3.7.3 and apt-upgraded everything else.
The most recent version it offers is 2021.1.5. What can I do?

humble mirage
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You can switch to Docker

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You've missed years of deprecation warnings about Python 3.7, 3.8, and now 3.9

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You're also likely very far behind on OS updates

cerulean star
#

Humm. I think my Raspbian is up to date. How would I force Python to update to, say, 3.9?

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I would like to run this on the Raspi without Docker if possible.

humble mirage
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You're not up to date, not if you have Python 3.7

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Also, you need Python 3.10

low notch
#

Raspbian is also dead

humble mirage
#
  1. Update OS to Bullseye
  2. Install Docker
  3. Profit
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There's no overhead in running Docker, and no downsides

cerulean star
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Ok. I saw Python 3.7 as a requirement. I'll try to update.
And I'll try to find out what Bullseye is šŸ™‚

humble mirage
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Python 3.7 was a requirement 4 years ago

cerulean star
#

Damn. Shame on me. Just saw that my RPi never updated its distro.

humble mirage
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Bullseye is the latest version of the OS for the Pi, based on Debian 11

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Well, it won't do that... you have to manage the OS

cerulean star
#

Yeah. Again... I feel like a Linux newbie like it's 1996 again.

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Thanks for your pointers, I greatly appreciate it.

low notch
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maybe you should give haos a try

brittle sail
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Haos works great

cerulean star
#

Thought about that, but I have a number of other services configured already. It would be a pain to do that again.
Maybe I'll give Docker a try.

low notch
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docker everything

fossil plover
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is HassOS using raspberry pi OS ?

humble mirage
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No

fossil plover
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I want to install other software run with hassOS

fossil plover
humble scaffoldBOT
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@fossil plover When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

humble mirage
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If you flash HAOS then you have to install software using add-ons

fossil plover
humble mirage
#

HAOS is an operating system, so ... that's not going to work

fossil plover
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Just don't have idea that with it work on hassos cause it not using rasp os

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cause we can install cassos into raspos

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I have tried so I think if hassos can install into rasp os it will work

humble mirage
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What is "cassos"?

fossil plover
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Here it's home cloud once

humble mirage
#

Right, yeah, no

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If somebody builds an add-on then maybe, but you're asking too much of a shitty little Pi

fossil plover
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it have integrate hass into it but it only core not allow to have addons

brazen herald
#

Docker containers are the only way to make those co-exist

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Run HA as a container along with whatever that is

fossil plover
humble mirage
#

@fossil plover you don't have to

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@fossil plover tag me on every

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@fossil plover reply thanks

fossil plover
brazen herald
#

HA in a container is the core of HA

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No add-ons, etc.

fossil plover
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Sorry I think that I used ping off already

brazen herald
humble mirage
brazen herald
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Ping off has to be set on every single reply, thank the Discord devs for that.

tacit widget
#

unless you hold shift when pressing the reply button. then you don't have to click it to turn it off

fossil plover
#

Oh I see

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We can't send image here :(

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My casaos already have HA as container

tacit widget
#

not unless you have some coloured rank i think?

fossil plover
#

But I also want to install addons for HA

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So trying to have HAOS and CassOS at same

low notch
#

if its powerful enough just run VMs

fossil plover
#

Did you mean I start VM in RaspOS

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And run HassOS in it ?

low notch
#

you run debian

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then start a vm with cassos

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and then a vm with haos

fossil plover
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Cause default cassos don't seem like to using vm just let me check

humble mirage
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But not on a Pi

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Cassos doesn't know or care it's in a VM

fossil plover
#

Okay if Pi can't not run I can move it into my mini PC

low notch
#

you can run that on a pi but it will be painful

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and also not supported

fossil plover
#

Anyway thank you all for helping me I have idea what to do next now

low notch
#

so move your project to this mini pc

fossil plover
#

Sure

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And is there any tutorial for install hassOS without keyboard and monitor like raspos

tacit widget
#

you mean by ssh'ing into it?

humble mirage
#

You don't use a keyboard and monitor at all

tacit widget
#

hassOS's install is without a keyboard. you install it to a drive. put drive in device, boot device, and if it has ethernet you just wait for a meoment while it boots and login to it on another device via the link

humble mirage
#

If it doesn't have ethernet you wait forever

tacit widget
#

(if you want to use wifi from the start it would require your input obviously)

#

but to get it installed, it's essentially without input yeah

fossil plover
#

I want to try out HassOS on Pi 1st

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Oh it using eth don't have eth cable atm let me try to buy it tmr

tacit widget
#

If you want to use WiFi yes, but if you plug it in with a Lan cable it'll get a ip from the router you can connect to

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Ofcourse you can always connect it to WiFi later from the web interface once it's set up

left agate
#

I'd like to understand why installing HA on a tablet or a TV Stick running android is not recommended. With tablet I can understand the need for a USB port to connect the ZigBee dongle to. So if there is a USB port to plug the dongle in, what is an impediment?

brazen herald
#

If we were looking at devices as vehicles:
A phone is a kids tricycle, cute, good for learning, and probably pretty fast, but not comfortable when you're not kid sized.
A tablet is a bicycle, good for getting you from A to B, but not comfortable for long journeys.
A computer is a car. It can haul good loads, is comfortable to sit in, and goes faster than either of the above.

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The minimum requirements to run HAOS are:

  • 2 GB RAM
  • 32 GB Storage
  • 2vCPU
    It's also highly recommended you run on ethernet, not wifi.
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Some tablets may technically have the above capacity, but unless it was designed to run a desktop OS, it's not going to be easy to install HA on.

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And to put it simply: There are guidelines for a reason. The devs can't support every single device under the sun, tablets are known for not supporting a full desktop OS install, so are not supported.

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If you can get it running Debian and run HA in a docker container, go for it. But if you have performance problems it will 100% be your tablet and most people will suggest the logical fix of "use a desktop or laptop" rather than waste time and energy on something that was never designed to do this.

humble mirage
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Also, on a tablet you're likely running something relatively obscure, in terms of OS and Python packages. You're more likely to run into odd problems that nobody else faces because of that.

brazen herald
#

And another bonus: HA will only display a console on the screen, it won't show you a UI. What's the point in using a display and touch first device to run something that shows you a black screen with some white and green text on it?

left agate
#

Okay, agreed on the tablet. How about a android tv Stick? It has a USB connection built in, and wifi

humble mirage
#

Fuck no

#

Really

low notch
#

go try it

humble mirage
#

I'd recommend it about as much as I'd recommend licking a 240V cable to see if it tickles

low notch
#

I'd like to see you achieve running it on android

crude inlet