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I was hoping that at least some add-on would give me access. But if the Supervisor fails, little to no hope, unless i can do a root logon to HAOS directly. You're right, I was putting too much hope on the central, working well position of my HA box
seems only way to fix it is with physical access, as always... Generate the keys, put on USB stick, reboot, use SSH over network or connect keyb/screen locally and get a corrected Supervisor
Hi, can´t update supervisor 2022.11.2 unhealthy system
Solved! network config
I had a supervisor issue the other day as well, restored the backup, updated again, was fine. shrug. No idea what it was.
But it did help trigger me into installing real backups (via google drive backups add-on) so that’s still a win.
(PS: with the caveat that I’m using a USB SSD as storage and that there is no SD card in sight, I’ve been fairly happy with my 4 gig pi4 running HAOS. As long as you can get it for actual pricing and not scalper pricing.)
(Previous pi projects have entirely cured me of wanting to use SD cards though. Especially Micro.)
HI GUYs currently running
Home Assistant 2022.11.4
Supervisor 2022.11.2
Operating System 9.3
Frontend 20221108.0 - latest
I have it in a VM is it possible to run the same version in a docker container ?
Hey guys. How can i find out what is preventing HA from leaving the state CoreState.STARTUP?
Is it impossible for me to fix this? I am quiet surprised how hard troubleshooting can be.
you're already off to a bad start using an unofficial/unsupported install method
found the problem. seems like I am with a buggy supervisor version: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/supervisor-november-beta-issue-impacting-users-on-home-assistant-beta-dev-channels/489895
trying this out
Can someone help me? I am running home assistant on a raspberry pi 3 and its been stuck on the preparing home assistant screen for a day now... http://pastie.org/p/2jSg7ZS4xuogMNEIqjlE6V
hello when i try to install a addon i get 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, system is not healthy - docker. I have a raspberry pi 4 64bit
Hi! how can I see the reason for the core not starting? all I can se in supervisor logs is ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Home Assistant has crashed! . docker install on rpi 4. worked fine untill yesterday before an update..
I have kind of an emergency. I just upgraded my venv installation and now all integrations are gone. I'm using homeassistant now for serveral years - but this never happend before. Didn't found anything realted in the forums. Help appreciated.
I forgot to stop the server before upgrading. Maybe thats is a reason.
But problem persists after restart
Do you know what version you upgraded from and to?
Did you check the log file to see what the problem is?
If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:
- Check the troubleshooting steps
- Check your log file - remembering you may need to set logger to
infoordebug - Explain what the problem you're having is - sharing configuration, errors, and logs
i resolved the problem pui
Almost had a stroke - seems to be some kind of configurtion error - i could checkout my last conf and not the integrations are back 😄
sorry for interupter - but so good to know that some people are here 🙂
Yeah, always run the check command after you upgrade and before you start
- HAOS
ha core check - Container uses
dockercommands - Core requires you to activate the venv first
in fact i did check
My own process on a venv is:
- Read the release notes
- Upgrade
- Config check command (NOT the UI)
- Fix issues
- Restart
The UI check isn't helpful during upgrades
i added 3 mqtt listeners and addes sampling_sizes to statistis sensors - i though it might be safe to do parallel to server upgrade
oh i thought the ui config check is as good as console check
ah
i see what you mean
yes
very good idea
do you think venv is still a good idea - i feel a bit deprecated
however i don't want to run a seperate machine just for homeassistant when i already have a bigger debian server
Hello first attempt at using HA installed on ESXI by writing the image. Starts boots then hangs at switched to clocksource tsc
Stays there forever.
Any advice appereciated.
Cheers
Just run HA in docker?
Using container install
HA Container ❤️
Can someone help me?
@maiden bone has it got internet connectivity?
hello when i try to install a addon i get 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, system is not healthy - docker. I have a raspberry pi 4 64bit
You should be able to look at the Repairs menu at the top right corner under System Information exactly what the problem it thinks is
are you running HAOS or Supervised?
Does it not list you in repairs the reasons why it's unsupported and unhealthy?
no
neither at the very top of System information ?
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ docker -v
Docker version 20.10.21, build baedakf
why does it say not compatible docker version when it is
Hello all! I'm struggeling with the SSH login using the Addon "Terminal & SSH". I've setup a username und ssh-rsa but the log tells me "FATAL: You need to setup a login!"
Oh, I see there is #add-ons-archived ... I'll switch over there
Sorry
The real question is why are you running supervised not HAOS
Becuse i want nextcloud on my pi
So you're running things other than HA and add ons? If so that can cause an unsupported system
ADR says that specifically https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/blob/master/adr/0014-home-assistant-supervised.md
Along with only running debian 11, etc
@misty leaf I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
Hmm I'm having trouble redirecting a subdomain to my HA, anyone who can help?
I'm running a webserver on port 443, with the domain example.org.
In cloudflare I have an A record with the name example.com and the content is my public IP.
This all works well and has for a while.
Now I've added an A record with the name ha and content my IP.
in my enabled sites I have the config from the guide:
ServerName ha.example.org
ProxyPreserveHost On
ProxyRequests off
ProxyPass /api/websocket ws://localhost:8123/api/websocket
ProxyPassReverse /api/websocket ws://localhost:8123/api/websocket
ProxyPass / http://localhost:8123/
ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8123/
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Upgrade} =websocket [NC]
RewriteRule /(.*) ws://localhost:8123/$1 [P,L]
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Upgrade} !=websocket [NC]
RewriteRule /(.*) http://localhost:8123/$1 [P,L]
</VirtualHost>```
but when I access ha.example.org I just get 400: Bad Request
I get an entry in my access log but not much else
Ahh wait, I get HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies so I suppose I have to enable that i HA as well, will investigate
Ok i wait
If anyone else falls over this post, I just added the following to my configuration.yaml
http:
use_x_forwarded_for: true
trusted_proxies:
- 127.0.0.1
ip_ban_enabled: true
login_attempts_threshold: 5
Wym?
I have the Let's Encrypt add-on installed and configured. I can see the incoming "GET /.well-known/acme-challenge" on my Nginx proxy server, but it's all 404 - is there something more I need to setup within HA for http challenges? It's as if the directory does not exist.
i have uninstalled home assistant on docker container but in the backup page i can only create backup.. i can't restore.. how i can restore a .tar backup?
Extract the HA config from the tarball and copy it to wherever you want your HA config to be at on the host
How can I see if /.well-known/acme-challenge actually exists within HA? This is Let's Encrypt related.
Letsencrypt expects this at http:// and you should only expose ha with https:// so either use a reverse proxy and/or dns verification
@low notch noted. http:// is in use and a reverse proxy sees the incoming requests and passes them along to HA, which gives a 404. For lack of interesting logs, I thought I should look inside. https://gist.github.com/dlangille/abfca3201f6c15d060eb7da9d25387de
I've installed the core-ssh add-in to see if that gives access to /var/log/letsencrypt/letsencrypt.log - it does not. /var/log is empty. Seems I must go deeper.
I'm struggling with home assistant installation on TrueNAS scale
I am aware that @rough falcon is using a regular docker image successfully, but that method disables the possibility of installing other charts (3rd party apps on Scale).
My problem is with the network configuration (home assistant starts and is able to install integrations, and show panels of other apps such as node-red...). Some integrations (e.g. Shelly, LocalTuya) require to receive broadcast/multicast messages for device discovery. I've not been able to properly setup the kubernetes container to pass the necessary packets.
has anyone been successful in installing home assistant in conjunction with other charts in TrueNAS Scale?
I don't know anywhere near enough about kubernetes to help with this... I thought you could just enable host network in the TrueCharts version? Maybe you can try installing the docker-compose TrueCharts app and run Home Assistant from there. I've used that in the past with macvlan and multicast worked as far as I could tell.
Hey guys. I'm really struggling to understand this, as I'm not familiar with Docker at all. What's the best approach to installing HA in my setup?
I have a rack server with TrueNas Core installed. On that, I have a couple of VMs. Should HA be another VM on truenas?
Well, got it installed on a Raspberry Pi 4, but now it's stuck on a screen that just says "Home Assistant" and nothing else. Rebooting did not help. https://imgur.com/a/JD9xtKr
@violet scaffold I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
hi, i'm having a lot of trouble installing ha on docker
when i put the command docker run -d \ it says invalid reference format
Hey, I'm setting HA on a x86 box, but it keeps getting stuck on the screen that says waiting for CLI to be ready. I think it's due to the wrong timezones because the time is off my three hours. How do I fix the issue with the timezones syncing incorrectly?
You should use docker compose
Not docker run
Ok
Anyone know if HomeAssistant OS allows you to bind port 8123 to any IP? i have it running behind a nginx reverse proxy connected by the wireguard addon. but that is running on a different network so its refusing connections
If you want to dedicate it to running VMs, then yes
VMWare do a free server product, but it's very fussy about the hardware it supports
want it for me and my son to mess around with OS's and docker
without having to mess around with windows and virtual box, vmware ,etc
Restoring a backup and the moment I clicked go, it just returned to the onboarding screen. I waited a moment to see if anything would happen then tried refreshing the page. No server running and no ports open on the pi. I don't know if it's restoring and I should just wait it out, or if it's failed and I should try again from scratch :/
That may help narrow down the problem
The Profiler integration provides a profile which is a set of statistics that identifies how much time each part of Home Assistant is taking
Basically, it'll help you see where all that CPU time is going
Greetings - Anyone got a sec to help me troubleshoot - HA running on a Oracle VM, has been operating fine for over a year now keeping things up-to-date. Suddenly this week I can't connect (browsers, phone apps time out trying to get to local:4357) but the ha console seems to be responding and running fine. Tried rebooting, restarting, etc. Only thing that seems off is that CORE is reporting version 2022.11.2, but when I try to console update to 2022.11.4 it doesn't "take". (i.e. core update comes back with 'Proocessing... Done. Command completed successfully' but the version doesn't actually update).
any reason this is now failing? https://ibb.co/rkPWNxp (photo)
If it's not on your local network then there's a high chance mdns isn't working. Try the IP and port instead
I wasn't replying to you
I'm not sure what's broken with yours. Does it boot to the command line
Can someone help me?
You don't have logs
it boots to home assistant but obviously won't work on devices if there's no internet
wym, Its on that message
Its not
Are you sure there's no internet? Have you checked to see whether the VM has gotten a IP address? And if so try going to [IP]:8123
Device is connected with ethernet right? Try reflashing the SD card to start fresh, then see
Issue is still your network. Unsure exactly what
yes it is. Also I have reflashed it twice.
Looks a bit like firewall rather than DNS or access...
What network are you trying to use it on? Just a standard home connection?
Yes, I have a netgear router.
That's why I'm saying more broadly network issues not just DNS
and spectrum internet
Spectrum? What's that
As internet provider in florida
I didn't read the start of the thread. Is this HAOS on bare-metal on the rpi3?
Oh okay. Don't know many overseas providers lol
@maiden bone calmelb and I are in Melbourne, Australia
lol
Yeah don't need the link. Just knowing it's a provider is fine
Rude I'm from Canberra 
Are you trying to use wifi, or ethernet?
Did your router give your rpi an IP address? Can you ping it?
ethernet
your rpi needs to ask your router (via DHCP) for an IP address, which it uses to talk to the internet. Likely your router is also your DHCP server. Can you look in the router config, and see if it assigned an IP address to the rpi as it booted?
Do you have any traffic policies/blocking/firewalls etc on your router? Are you doing anything like parental-controls, add-blocking, etc?
how do I find the router config?
nvm I think I found it
Haven't you ever logged into your router web interface?
I think it's https://routerlogin.net/ for netgear routers.
I don't think so.
Do you have a separate device for connecting to the internet (a modem, dsl router, fibre box, or whatever); or is it all in the netgear router?
a modem I think
Then the DHCP server could be either on the router, or on the modem, depending on how you set it up.
It does have a IP address
How could I find that?
In fact, probably on both, double-NAT hahaha
The only one that matters for now is the LAN side. WHich is probably on your router.
Also its probably the modem, as I used to run home assistant and it worked fine. That was before I got a new modem
At the point it's failing, it's not really even up to being HA, it's just trying to be a linux box, and download some stuff.
If it was on the router how would I find that?
Are there more logs above what you pasted in pastie?
yes
its just pastie crashes if I post all of the logs
use a better pastebin 🙂
The ethernet is probably not setup properly. You need the logs around that part.
I assume you don't have another docker/linux box you can check your LAN is working properly?
docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.11.4
Feel free to jump in here anytime @manic bane
do you have one that you recommend?
For your network are your device IPs 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x?
And what are they
192.168.x.x
What is it specifically?
192.168.1.44
Then go to 192.168.1.1 and it should be your router configuration page
And will show you whether the pi has an IP
Looks like it got an IP address OK.
It is on the router and its on.
I think getting the full logs would be useful. Otherwise, maybe suggest trying HAOS in a virtual machine on your workstation - may be easier to diagnose?
I have tried VirtualBox HomeAssistant before and it didn't work
I tried it about 3 - 5 days ago
Same thing
So, sounds like problem is 100% your LAN/network.
Yeah.
Can you spin up a machine in virtualbox or whatever, and try pulling docker images? See if you can get the docker logs.
Your HAOS is trying to do the command I pasted previously
docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.11.4
Which worked for me here, btw.
wym?
like see if that comes up in logs?
I/we have no idea why your machine is not pulling that image. Need the full logs - maybe they have something. And/or reproduce the problem in a more debuggable way (with a generic linux VM). It's a little harder to diagnose haos during setup.
Do you have a pastebin that you recommend because all of mine don't wanna work with full logs
🤷♂️ Maybe https://hastebin.com ?
Look at DM's (couldn't post files here) for logs since I couldn't find a paste bin to put all my logs in. (i made it a text file)
You couldn't use hastebin like was recommended?
oh boy guys, i think i've got a pickle here... i noticed a few days ago that my addons (and supervisor) weren't being able to take updates, but didn't get to it until today. i rebooted my host (ova inside proxmox), and core never started 🤔
the system had booted, but was throwing some errors from supervisor... so i tried supervisor repair, thinking that may help. it apparently pruned my addon images, so now none of my addons can start 🤬 namely, this is an issue because MariaDB can't start, and my core can't "start" because of that.
i then tried store addons install core_mariadb... and nothing seems to have changed.
i think my supervisor is broken, what do i do?
here we go, supervisor log: https://hastebin.com/ohepigafoy
I've got HAOS 2022.11.2 running in a proxmox ova
I did - via IP:8123 is the same issue, the connection just times out (ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT). I know the DNS is otherwise working because I can get to the Observer URL (4357) either by homeassist.local or the IP address. Incidentally, the observer reports- Supervisor: Connected Supported: Unsupported Healthy: Unhealthy - what does that combo mean?
What version of supervisor are you running
currently 2022.11.0
What's your install type? HAOS or supervised?
I've been trying to take the 2022.11.2 update but it was failing... now I know why lol
Sounds like check the pinned posts here, beta supervisor had a bug
got it
yes, top pin
What s your install type HAOS or
Loooots of people had this issue
@maiden bone where you at with this? you went zzzz
Top of imfork's logs: https://hastebin.com/umiyufakul.yaml
Sorry I was doing something
No it’s too big
Looks like it had a problem updating supervisor right at the top. Which image are you using to boot haos installer?
Wym?
which file did you use to write the USB key that you're installing HAOS from?
Problem seems likely to be a DNS/DHCP issue, or routing. Do you have a bunch of other devices on your network that work fine?
Yes, all my other devices work fine
Ummm, are you connected to a switch that doesn't support 100mbit port? (that's all rpi can do)
Do you have the rpi set to static IP, or some dns override, or something like that?
Did the rpi work before? (using pi os)
How old is your pi? I assume it's still 64-bit, so it's not a 32/64 issue....
zzzz
Um….. pi3 is 100Mbit, 3b+ can do 300Mbit (technically it’s seen as 1Gbit), 4 is full Gbit
I think my 3b+ is connected/autosense to 100
Yes but it was an old Kano raspberry pi I got a few years back
So it didn’t run pi os
It had Kano is
I don't know what that is. Could be related? But you said you had the same problem when you tried in a VM?
@maiden bone give me a breef summery of your issue
@raw hedge ok, looks like my rpi is a 3b not a 3b+
cat /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/model
Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Rev 1.2
Speed: 100Mb/s
Duplex: Full
Port: Twisted Pair
I’m assuming you are having some kind of issue where the install is not finishing
Change your routers dns to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 for the clients
You are probably having issues pulling from docker hub etc
yeah, he was getting problems self-updating supervisor, and a dns/resolver... yes that
Or set up a static ip and set up your dns that way with raspberry pi os
if you're not doing LAN DNS resolution, there's really no harm in letting devices talk directly to public resolvers.
it's not so much load that you'd care about cachign
Set it to public for now to troubleshoot this issue
Not like it uses a public resolver anyways unless you are one of those people
in case anyone else runs into this and accidentally nukes all your addons before finding the fix (pinned in this channel, thank you 🙏 ), from the HA terminal, you can run supervisor repair to get them back 👌
@maiden bone fixed?
Someone has any advice on how to do something about the extremely slow boot time of the Haos on Rpi4 64bit? It takes over 5 minutes for me... It is becoming a bit unnerving as i'm editing the configuration and rebooting quite often...
Why on earth are you rebooting?
Reboots are only required when you upgrade the OS
For some YAML changes you can just reload the relevant integration, see https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/#reloading-changes
For everything else, you just have to restart HA, not the whole computer
For ZHA, reloading the integration by the UI after editing configuration.yaml had no effect. How can i restart HA without rebooting my Raspberry?
I don't use HAOS, but I'm guessing the Restart option under System is what you're after
show the system dashboard
It's also available under 
Thank you, i'll try it. But my question remains. How can i get rid of these full 6 minutes of boot time? (between power on and frontend available)
Move to better hardware
@torpid niche When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).
The Pi, particularly if you're using an SD card, will always be slow
A whole host reboot will also always take time, even with really fast hardware that's going to be minutes, not seconds
Thank you, but the Rpi 4 was already the ''better hardware'' in this company
It's better than a Pi3, it's still not good hardware - it's an educational tool and tinker toy
@humble mirage since you are being so kind, may i ask you an advice on how to find the correct documentation if i want to create a custom application in which i'd like to make HA connect to my remote backend, possibly with a websocket or using REST apis. In order to have the full control of each device in my custom application
@torpid niche Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.
Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.
Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
Sorry for the tag...
Every damn time you respond, you either tag or use a Reply with the notification on
Stop, or I stop trying to help you
ok, sorry, i got it
Start there
You build an integration, and that needs a Python library that handles the communication
The other option is to have your custom application use MQTT and then it'll "just work"
You'd want your app to publish a discovery payload (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/mqtt#mqtt-discovery), but you'd have nothing to maintain on the HA side
Thank you, but i could not get who has to publish the discovery payload, who is ''your app''?
Yes
It basically says hey, I have these sensors/switches/lights/whatever that you can use
Your app is whatever app you're trying to integrate
In order to have the full control of each device in my custom application
i'd like to make HA connect to my remote backend
Hi! When i install an addon, and change config files in through the browser, settings are not saved. It looks like its not allowed to write changes.
In the loggin it says:
22-11-29 13:07:35 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.addons.addon] core_mosquitto is already running!
But when i check the addon, i still have a start button.
fyi, i restored a backup to a new system
Tried a reboot of the host?
Why does a reboot always fix things.. this is annoying 🥲
Yes, i was asking how. I think i'm going to try the mqtt integration way.
One last thing (for now):
My boss asked me to re-structure the Haos in order to avoid Docker and try to speed up the boot. Does it make sense? Thank you in advance
You can't restructure HAOS
Also, Docker adds no meaningful overhead to the startup
Not rebooting will solve the problem in the easiest way, and if you're happy to give up add-ons then switching to Debian + Docker (for HA Container) should be a litttle faster
Oh, and moving off of SD cards to an SSD will help more
Thank you
Well, the reboot of the host fixed the start button issue, but i still cant edit a configuration file. My changes arent saved.
Why is your boss asking about HA? Is this something you're planning to install for paying customers?
Unsure on that sorry
It would be part of an infrastructure to handle some custom ZigBee devices to be sold, is it not allowed? Thank you in advance
Totally allowed, just ... maybe not a good idea given the questions you've been asking
I asked because commerical installations of HA are rare and usually result in issues when spoken of on here 😂
May i ask you why?
HA isn't some polished unchanging platform... every month there's a new release
You're rebooting it when it doesn't need rebooted
You're complaining that a reboot takes too long, when running on sub-par hardware, and likely on an SD card
Oh, and you want to refactor a whole platform
(with the rebooting part. Remember it's all running on docker. Can restart the container without the host needing it, and usually achieves the same goal)
Even without Docker, restarting just the one thing you changed is all that's necessary
Rebooting the whole host is a sign that you're out of your depth, technically speaking
I'm old fashioned and still just do a whole HA restart. Usually have my few hours a month where I tinker non stop and don't mind if it's going up and down
Eh, restarting HA is fine... rebooting the whole host however
I last rebooted my HA host when I upgraded the OS
I restart HA the other day
I rebooted the host when I did maintence on the server. Next time will be migrating hosts to a 1u server
Time before this restart I may have knocked the plug and shut it down 
(Yes I need a UPS)
Tinkerer,
1 - i rebooted the device literally a few times in the first hour of usage of mine, just before learning that reloading or reconfiguring my integration would do the job, now i have understood perfectly why it is not necessary, but if you want you can continue stressing it to me.
2 - I have complained that the boot took ''too long'' being used to simpler applications in some products in which i reached the software pack to be decrypted and run in a time below the minute, and i was still thinking that rebooting was useful in the configuration stage (now i know that is not necessary, i repeat).
3 - i do not want in any way to restructure a whole platform, i saw perfectly the docs related to the one you linked to me https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/operating-system, i understood perfectly that is not convenient
Rebooting an host when is not really necessary in the first stage of my learning of a new platform is a sign that i'm out of my depths? Ok, thank you again
If you want faster reboots, stop using SD cards, and stop using Pis
Do however consider how you're going to remotely support this
Yes, i got it, even a simple VM is faster
If you're selling this, support is a bigger consideration than for most here, and is more complicated than you think
I'm trying to figure out it, and i know perfectly that trying to simplify any of these things could give very bad results.
This is the kind of dialogue i'm searching for
The MQTT way seems the more convenient, however, i was thinking on some custom websocket integration in order to reach a more ready and clean remote control. And i'm all alone in this
any advice?
MQTT decouples things and allows you to have things across networks with ease
Whether you do MQTT or custom API makes no difference to "clean remote control"
That's ... very much the benefit of HA, it abstracts away all of that - a sensor is a sensor no matter what the underlying communication method and hardware is
Ok, get rid of the custom API idea, so far i guess that the MQTT integration, pointing to a remote broker in common with the custom backend would be the more convenient approach.
Could i be right? The point is to reach the remote control of at least 50 (to 200) custom ZHA ''smart plug'' ZigBee devices, ensuring their metering and on/off cluster attributes to be read and wrote.
For Zigbee just use Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA
Develop the required converter (Z2M) or quirk (ZHA) and then it'll work with any install of Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA
Ok, i have experienced Z2M, (without HA, just it in a container), and i found the external converter part a bit messy, now i'm going to try to create the ZHA needed quirk
ZHA's not going to be any less messy 😉
Nice to know
But now i know where to go cry when my 16 endpoints devices will be not recognized properly
for now thank you for the useful hints
I'm feeling a bit silly here. If I want to use Add-ons, I must be on the HAOS?
Yes
An add-on is a Docker container with tweaks to allow it to be configured in the Supervisor UI. It is only available in the Supervised installs (#330990055533576204 and #330944238910963714) since if you've used any other install method you're able to install software already.
Technically you can run Supervised, but ... just don't, trust me on this one
They're not magic anyway, if you run Container you have everything you need
So - my RaspberryPi OS installation, I just need to completely wipe that, start all over again, yeah? Can I use the Raspberry Pi for other stuff still? I still want to be able to access files on my SSD and stuff. Still possible with HAOS?
Oh wait. Sorry - I can still have HAOS running as a container?
No
The clue is in the name Home Assistant OS
And no, the things you do with the Pi today you won't be able to do with HAOS, unless there's an add-on for it, and that SSD is largely right out for general use
Add-ons aren't magic, not having them isn't going to mean you miss anything
Oh okay. Sorry. There's so much documentation, it's hard to make sure you're looking at the right places. After I read the zigbee2mqtt Docker installation and got that done, the next section down is "Home Assistant addon". Not knowing anything else, I had assumed that was what I needed. I'll keep digging.
#zigbee-archived can help if you're stuck, but you do realise that's a long list of ways of installing Z2M?
The one after that is for OpenHAB...
I hope you're not going to install OH next 
Hi all. After a couple of days of trying I am looking for some help if possible. I am a huge fan of HA and have been running it for 2 years with 30+ devices.
I was keeping with updates until 2022.6.6. I tried to upgrade to 2022.11.4 and it throws errors with building dependencies with orjson. I am on a RPI with Home Assistant Core. I tried searching and stuff like installing Rust. Also tried from a clean Raspbian image running 5.15. Same issues. After installing rust, it now hangs for hours (6+) building dependencies and I see rustc running. I can install orjson 3.8.2 with pip successfully in the venv. HA is trying to build 3.8.1. I believe it is hanging on building maturin. Can I do anything to build/install/configure prior to the HA install so it finishes.
Are you running Python 3.10.x?
Well, I have 3.10.x installed, but the venv is in 3.9. Python3 runs 3.9.
I don't have 3.10 on the last version of troubleshooting.
You want the venv to be on 3.10 soon
Did you install the dependencies from https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-core?
yes, it installed them in 3.9
lol, no. Just never went down that road.
Unless you need to run stuff directly from HA on the host it's the simplest approach
(even then, SSH works)
I've got one program that I call from a command line sensor that's be ... annoying to get working with Docker, that's the only reason I'm still on Core
I do have a bunch of custom scripts that I can look to eliminate if it will solve my problem. Just not sure what happened between 2022.6 and 2022.11 that would cause this. All other upgrades have been smooth. I may have to try a docker install.
I built a fresh venv with 3.10 the other day (using the awesome pyenv) on Debian 11, it ran 2022.11 fine 
I successfully installed 3.10 on a clean image. When i installed the dependencies it installed them to 3.9. 3.10 was a manual build. Is there a way to install the core dependencies to 3.10?
When i installed the dependencies it installed them to 3.9
Then you didn't rebuild the venv with 3.10
Or, worse, you didn't use venvs at all
(which would be very unsupported, and the cause of many problems)
I did use venv, but 3.9 because of the dependency install. 3.10 was looking for python3-venv on 3.10. so I created a new 3.9 venv and tried a clean install.
I was trying this all on an existing 5.10 kernel with python 3.9 and HA 2022.6.6 and a clean install of 5.15 kernel with 3.9 & 3.10 to upgrade python. I was struggling with getting the dependencies installed on 3.10.
The kernel is largely irrelevant
I used https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv to create a fresh 3.10.8 venv a couple of weeks ago, on Debian 11, and then installed HA 2022.11.2 without issue - let me upgrade it to 2022.11.4
agreed. so any help with the dependencies on 3.10?
What version of Debian/Raspbian are you on?
ok. thank you. I will try that
I have one with 10 buster and one with 11 bullseye. Both are producing the same results with python 3.9. Also same results with upgrade and fresh install. I am going to try the 3.10 info you posted
Yup, upgraded to 2022.11.4 without issues on 3.10.8 
It is just a dummy install, nothing's configured, so it may be that there's something lurking ... but I doubt it
well, as you said, I need to go to 3.10 anyway, so I should get my 3.10 venv working anyway since it will be needed. I will try the info above.
Thanks again for your help. I am going to start building a new 3.10 today. Have a great rest of your week.
I added a second network interface to my home assistant vm, I have one for each of the vlans that I need it to be able to access from home assistant; one with client/media devices and the other with iot stuff. What are things I can run into? And how do I set the default interface? It seems to pick it automatically now.
I'm trying to migrate HA from my RPi3 running docker to a Lenovo ThinkCentre running proxmox. When I try and restore the backup, the spinner spins, it consumes all the CPU and RAM for a bit, then the CPU stops, but still nothing happens. Any ideas what I can do to resolve?
hi guys quick question what type of file is the HA Supervisor you add to a VM ?
is it a iso or script used to install
so how have i got it in a VM
Because you used HAOS
Next time you forget... eh, I'd tell you where you can look to find out, but would you remember? 😛
i asked badly i am trying to find out is it a kind of file type it is howit is made up like is it a Linux Distro
Check the pinned image in this channel
cheers
is anybody aware if its possible to connect OMV to the samba share in HA ?
I cannot find a samaba share folder on conf file in the root files of HA
I am trying to map across a path to root files from OMV
@covert onyx be patient, it takes quit a long time, with no apparent update.
Click the circle thingy to see logs
@covert onyx progress?
@maiden bone fixed?
hi everyone, i try to install hassOS on my old PC running MX Linux
i got an systemd error
can someone help
sure, what type of installation are you trying to run?
I am so incredibly lost. All I want to do is connect my Ikea Tradfri to my Xiaomi home and humidity sensor.
i download the latest version os-agent 1.4.1
when i try to install it i get the message "system has not been bootet with systemd as init system
um, you are trying the hardest install method and also the one which does fit your requirements the least
You're also ignoring the ADR
https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/blob/master/adr/0014-home-assistant-supervised.md is quite clear that only Debian Bullseye is supported
I am so incredibly lost All I want to do
what is the best way
Either replace the whole OS with HAOS, or use the Container (native Docker) install that has no add-ons
i want to install HAOS, from usb i could start it, but i want to run it from harddrive
many best ways, run haos in a vm or use a dedicated box for it. or learn some docker and run all of it with your custom configuration
you need a vm if you want to run haos on your current machine
the machine is only hardware, MX linux can be removed
i only want HAOS in the machine
this i tried, but i only run it from usb, i want to run it on my Harddrive
you need to select your harddisk then in balena etcher
ok so i will try
and be careful not to overwrite your desktops harddisk while at it
so run the system with a live stick an overwrite the harddrive with balena atcher an HAOS image?
@floral gull MX Linux ships with systemd present but sysVinit is still the default init system by default. Thanks to the systemd-shim system, users can choose to boot installed systems whichever way they choose.
sorry, looks like I was replying to an old message
ok start live system, mint 21, Balena etcher started but now flash failed ebusy resource busy or locked open /dev/sda
now it is flashing, i removed partion with gparted
running HA without flash drive, thanks for help
HI everyone, I'm trying to build my own HaOS image, I've already built a core docker image (with customized frontend to make it "dumber"). I'm trying to figure out at which stage the HaOS build process pulls the core image, so I can replace it with my own. Could you give me a hint?
Why?
The HAOS build doesn't pull the HA container though, that's going to be handled by the Supervisor
I'm trying to limit non-admin users' access to the interface.
You could just use an alternative UI
Heck, build an add-on that does that, give it a limited access user account and do it all over the API
Alright, thank you for the suggestions, these seem to be better ways to proceed 🙂
It'll be a lot easier than entirely managing your own fork of HA, and HAOS, and the Supervisor, and ...
Of course, the other option would be to get involved in the development of the frontend, to support the features you want...
Good idea, I'll think about it 😄
Home Assistant URL
@humble mirage just to say about my situation (if you remember xD). some issue when filling the field in home assistant network configuration DNS SERVER. for some reason was not saving the dns server,, after 2 sequence reboots, starting save the values, now its all ok!! 😄 No errors on logs ! 😄
GM all again. Tinkerer, thank you for all of the help yesterday. I am at it again and decided to go back to a clean/clean/clean install. Clean Raspbian, Clean Python 3.10.8 and clean HA install. HA install still fails building dependencies for orjson 3.8.1. I will post some snippets of the log.
Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:
- http://pastie.org/ (select YAML for the language)
- https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language)
- https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)
Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.
Thanks for the link to post logs. Here it is https://paste.debian.net/1262368
It might be a pip version problem, based off of
error: failed to get `anyhow` as a dependency of package `maturin v0.13.7 (/tmp/pip-install-oqndlvjc/maturin_bac6337ce6d24978bf8657b2cff28328)`
Try updating pip to meet HA's requirements
I'd track down that error, since it's the real problem here
Thanks. I am off to more googling.
if I am in the 3.10 venv, can I manually pip install orjson 3.8.1 to troubleshoot instead of going through the entire HA install?
Sure
ok, because I am assuming I can go through the HA core requirements list and manually pip install each one to verify before running the HA install.
At the versions listed, yes
Looks like I found one reference directly to the issue I am having. I am running on a RPI2 (never needed something more until maybe now). The post says that orjson "depends on maturin which does not have wheels for that platform." Any workarounds?
Pi 2 ... 
I know. It just always worked for the past 2 years so there was no need to upgrade.
Docker should work there, at least support for the Pi2 hasn't been dropped for the Docker images ... yet
That may be my interim path. If I need to take the plunge for new HW, what is the popular upgrade path - Rpi 4, NUC, something else?
The Pi range are great toys, and a Pi4 on an SSD isn't terrible. If you can upgrade to almost any PC hardware from the last decade you'll not regret it
I run HA, and a bunch of other things, on a 9 year old i5 laptop that draws only a little more power than a Pi4, and is way faster
oh, I have an i3 laptop, 4GB with an SSD that is not being used...
A Pi4 has a CPUmark of about 900, if your i3 is that or higher you're on a winner
I have nothing directly connect to the RPI. everything is over IP, so I am going to stop fighting the RPI2 and try the laptop install/upgrade. I can probably stick with HA core on something like ubuntu, right?
I like both. Debian it is. I read the rest of the post and it said that the RPI2/Zero maturin build went 15+ hours and then still failed for a couple people, probably because of the 32bit platform. Not worth it or an HA issue. I need to move on to better HW platform. Thank you for all of your help.
I am up with Debian and completing the core requirements and python install now. The speed is insane compared to the RPI2. What was I doing? I can probably count the many hours I lost with the old hardware. 😢
No
Hello i am new to HA and want to start a first test with a virtual mashine. I followed the instrutions from the HA tutorial and start the VM. But the instaltion hang on the point "Preparing Home Assistant"
I wait for over an hour, restart the process and have the same issue and cannot find any tips to solve the issue. I hope you can help me.
Click the blue circle and you'll get logs
22-11-30 18:57:34 INFO (SyncWorker_0) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2022.11.5
22-11-30 18:57:34 INFO (SyncWorker_0) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant with tag 2022.11.5.
22-11-30 18:57:34 ERROR (SyncWorker_0) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant:2022.11.5: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/create?tag=2022.11.5&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fqemux86-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Famd64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": dial tcp: lookup ghcr.io: no such host")
22-11-30 18:57:34 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec
Gehn you help with this?
Hello, I just installed home assistant OS for the first time on a PI 4B (it's still preparing). I have a question though: is that Pi only used as a server for HA or can I use it both as a server and the UI (since I have a screen connected to that pi)
haos does not come with a gui, you only get a cli. ha is made for webui / text editor access
So basically the Pi 4 is only a server?
yes
Then how would I get a GUI since a lot of people have that. Would I use my phone or tablet?
I see. I thought I could just connect my Pi 4 to a touch screen, install HA and set up a UI all on that one device
Only if you went with something like Ubuntu desktop and HA Container (no add-ons)
22 11 30 185734 INFO SyncWorker 0
would anyone be willing to remote in via team viewer and help me get the community store added ? Im a noob and have tried the terminal and hacs zip method .. but have not been able to get it to work .. please and thank you
Home Assistant 2022.11.5
Supervisor 2022.11.2
Operating System 9.3
Frontend 20221108.0 - latest
Im not entirely sure what version of HA I have (its on a PI, I flashed an image, it manages itself) but the Pi3 is running out of steam and sits on top of a nice NUC that runs Unraid with a docker system. There is an HA docker I can "one click" install. Would I be able to backup the Pi HA and migrate it to the NUC HA even if they are different installation methods ?
Nov 30 22:16:36 cloud1 hassio-supervisor[111596]: 22-11-30 22:16:36 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluations.base] Systemd journal is not working correctly or inaccessible (more-info: https://www.home-assistant.io/more-info/unsupported/systemd_journal)
does anyone know how this is determined or where to look for some more info? this system is running on an ubuntu VM in cloud (i had no OS choice more similar than this)
@placid sage I migrated (haos) rpi -> proxmox just using the backup/restore. Does unraid support VMs not just containers?
Otherwise your addons will break.
yes it does
ups
settings-> about shows which version you are running
if it manages itself its probably homeassistant os. so like @copper steppe suggested i would just install homeassistant os as a vm in unraid, then make a backup on the pi installation and restore it in the unraid vm.
@placid sage
- you can restore your HA config to the unraid HA container config, losing any add-ons (but you could use unraid's own app store to replace those)
or - you can restore the backup from your current system to a vm of HA OS in unraid, which would include whatever add-ons you have
hi guys
looking at a suppervised install of HA
i would go HAoS
BUT
my spare "server" isn't UEFI
HP dl320e G8 V2
SO im stuck going the linux route
now my question is...
do i go with Buster or Focal Fossa ?
Debian 11 is the only supported OS for Supervised
However, I would recommend considering HA Container instead of Supervised
im trying to wrap my head around this..
but all the time it confuses the crap out of me
If you do decide to go the Supervised route, just make sure to follow the requirements exactly
been reading through the glossary
What do you need help understanding?
the installation method chart looks confusing as hell to me
What is confusing you
my interest in supervised it the fact its self maintaining
i dont want to spent time trying to constantly thinker and manually do software updates
Not super clear what kind of install I have (I used the tutorial on The Hook Up to create a Virtualbox install on Windows... I do have a supervisor and... its all in a docker container.... I guess? When I go to Settings-> About all it tells me is that I have "Home Assistant 2022.11.4, Frontend 2022 1108.0 - latest") . Anyhow days ago after nearly a year of running fine, the UI / app stops loading even using the IP address on the local machine. I thought my problem was that the web UI just started timing out one day, but after fiddling with it, it seems like HA loads up for about 10-15 secons before something inside of it runs away and hangs the system. I can still use the SSH client and HA console to issue commands - but none of the logs seem to tell me what might be causing the hang. I can run "ha host restart" and have it reload to give me another 10-15 seconds to "do stuff in the UI" but I don't know what to test :/ help
plus need the add-ons as well
Add-ons are just pieces of software you can install standalone
so that can be added to the install after the fact ??
Not in HA, but on the same host
ohhh
im trying to keep it as simple as possible
im the only one that will be interacting with the programing / setting up
and my "learning curve" has been flattened a while back lol
so the simpler the better
lol
Supervised is going to require more maintenance in the long run compared to HA Container
but that also requires 2 more add-on's to achieve what i need
What?
i may not be getting this right
if i do go with the container route
im missing add-on store
that has to be added separately and available externally ?
or is the add-on store available inside HA
No
You would just need to install whatever other software you want just like you install HA
and in this case i can run any verison of debian ?
Whatever Linux flavor you want, really. Debian is a good choice though
I been messing with 20.04 server and starting to get a hang of it
one last question
Docker or Docker Compose ?
docker-compose is a tool for docker
And it's way easier than using docker run as you run more containers
well... only looking to run HA, Frigate and Observium on this server
Still easier to maintain IMO
its only an E3-1220 V3 with 16GB of RAM and 4Tb of storage
it does have a Intel X520DA dual port SFP+ network card
@brisk willow are you going to be around for a bit ?
Probably
may need a hand in understanding the docker compose script:
version: '3' services: homeassistant: container_name: homeassistant image: "ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable" volumes: - /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro restart: unless-stopped privileged: true network_mode: host
so /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config is the directory where your going to have HA installed ?
/PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG is where you want to store your HA configuration on the host
so probably best for that is /opt/config
Wherever you want, really
Probably overkill, but again, it's up to you
The path on the host also doesn't need to end in config
I tend to keep my container configs in directories in /etc, but I've seen people put configs for docker containers in directories in /docker
It's ultimately up to you
Uh... so.. riddle me this: On a random hunch I simply unplugged my Nortek Zigbee/Zwave stick - and it automatically recovered from a hung state. The CLI did report some usb_serial_callback errors (understandably) but... what does this mean? Is the device hosed, or was it hung waiting for something on the zwave or zigbee mesh to happen? Are there logs anywhere that monitor the interactions between home assist and dongle?
Hi I try reinstalling ha 11.5 to pi4 … after boot from sd card … I was jammed at admin page preparing HA wait for 20 mins
I wait for one hour… still jammed in that screen
22-12-01 08:26:59 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec
22-12-01 08:27:29 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.updater] Fetching update data from https://version.home-assistant.io/stable.json
22-12-01 08:27:29 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.updater] Fetching version from https://version.home-assistant.io/stable.json response with 403
22-12-01 08:27:29 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec
22-12-01 08:27:59 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.updater] Fetching update data from https://version.home-assistant.io/stable.json
22-12-01 08:27:59 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.updater] Fetching version from https://version.home-assistant.io/stable.json response with 403
This is the error message
This is the image info
check your internet connectivity and DNS
I do /app because I'm weird
So on the VM terminal does it show HA or is it debian on it?
After pulling the Nortek sticck it actually allowed the Info to load fully: "Home Assistant 2022.11.5 | Supervisor 2022.11.2 | Operating System 9.3 | Frontend 20221108.0 - latest". VM/CLI terminal shows HA as the command prompt
Okay so you’re running HAOS, weird that its erroring
is there a simple way to restore a Hass in a container from a Backup made on a Pi?
If I make a backup on the Pi and upload it to the Hass Container via SCP it shows the Backup in the backups list but I can not restore any of the backups in the Backup list from the UI nor does the "ha backups list" command work if I attach a console to the container
Extract the config from the backup and move it to wherever your HA config is at
I'm running the home-assistant/core. When I go to setup the HA extension in vscode it says it cannot connect to my server. In all the examples I see they use a htttps connect, but the docker is exposing http. Is this why it is not connecting? I created the long-lived access token and enable that.
without the supervised installation you can't have the addons store right?
Correct. But none of the add ons are anything special, you can still run them in other docker containers you maintain
huh? how?
The add ons are just normal docker containers but HAised.
For example frigate has a docker compose example below https://docs.frigate.video/installation/
Same with zigbee2mqtt https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/02_docker.html
but like, not everyone of them i think?
Every addon either has a docker container version or another equivalent feature making it unnecessary to run in docker
Which ones are missing
HACS i don't think have a container
HACS isn't an add on
So of course it doesn't
HACS can be installed on any installation type
duckdns is a container too?
what's your end goal here?
trying to figure out if i should demolish the frankensteined HA supervised installation i pierced together and go a different route
Yes
Supervised is never a good installation method. HAOS if you want a supervisor
Or docker container if you want to use the host for more than HA
That's a no brainer yes
i mean you have to configure the integration of those plugins too with HA no?
If you really want a supervisor then just run HAOS
like how does a non-plugin mosquitto even send mqtt messages to HA?
Since with supervised you've already dedicated the machine to HA
Though networking? Like you realise MQTT existed before HA and outside of HA right?
yes, but if you need to install a plugin it's because it doesn't natively handle MQTT messages?
All that happens is it communicates over a port. So instead of whatever supervised is, it's just [IP or domain name]:[port]
You realise HA has a mqtt integration right? Without any add ons
Put too simply HA uses integrations to talk to services/devices. Nothing is native (again too simply put)
Those are all integrations in my screenshot
Addons are "programs" that run in parallel to your HA like programs in a computer. They can run anywhere, whether that is addons alongside HAOS /Supervised or in other hardware entirely
If you're going to struggle without a supervisor then given you should've already dedicated the install to your supervised install it is easy to swap to HAOS
I went container because I want to run other things than just HA, plus I want to learn docker better
i don't have that option currently, it's a cloud VM
and sadly it doesn't even have debian 11 as an option that i recall off
Then supervised isn't supported there
That is potentially even worse than a Supervised installation
Also why on earth are you running HA on a cloud VM. The major point is local control
May as well just use google home or whatever then
scripting? personalization? unified interface?
i have node red that runs things in background
Please tell me you actually securely tunnel mqtt to your home network though. And not just expose it to the internet
I guess. Just seems like a waste being in the cloud
there's a VPN from my router to that VM
At least there's that
don't you also need to pay for that VM?
I'm guessing Oracle free
In which case I hope you make regular backups to your home network in case they pull it
Or to google drive
Or whatever
tbh i'm considering just buying a server and call it off but the damn power here is pricey as hell
Just don't trust that you'll always be able to use something hosted on someone else's network
oh trust me i hate the cloud
A old laptop or low powered desktop will use next to nothing
the point is that i'd like to run other things besides HA if i call it
Then docker install is a great one. Otherwise VMs
put an actual firewall instead of the shitty router, i work in IT so i use VMs a lot too
You can easily get good prices for 2nd hand SFF PCs these days that are more than enough to run multiple things on
on top of having ability to easily upgrade parts in the future
Dell optiplex's are great for that
Well not that
They have proprietary shit in them
But are a great starting point
I've ended up with an HP Elitedesk with Proxmox
Day and night compared to HA on an Rpi plus can run whatever you want in parallel
I'm finally upgrading to a 1u server. Will be fun to have dual xeons and 64gb ram to begin with

because for what i would like to run low power isn't really an option
if I pull the trigger many things will need to run
I'm on the other side, running in docker in unRAID on a server I built from scratch. Definitely not on the efficient side though with a Ryzen 5700 and Nvidia 3050
You can run a lot on a SFF PC
it is currently making a dual xeon 24 cores 96gb ram with SAS drives crawling from the test environment
so i very much doubt so
What are you even running
It'll be the 3050 throwing that efficency off.
Ive a 5700G in my unraid, 3x HDDs, 4x SSDs - average power usage is about 30-40w doing most things, 60-80 when im hammering it.
test environment, depending on the day but many things, domain controllers, database, PBX and so on
That could stay in the cloud if it's a test
Yeah I know, but I use the 3050 for decoding and for compreface which is more efficient than my CPU running the model
no that's not a cloud per se, more like "this is what we got use it and no we can't upgrade it"
DCs, databases and PBXs are super-low powered things when they arnt done at scale.
The Xeon setup is vastly overkill for a lab setup....but i do understand the fun on having that kind of hardware to play with. :p
Also just did the maths. If my new server hovers around 200w idle it'll only be like $30 a month. Not bad
the idea is if i pull the trigger, i want to have those on my hardware at my own accord and not be capacity constrained
i just paid around uuh... 400 dollars? of power bill and i don't have anything strange besides my computer and a laptop
400 on your power bill? Not in the UK are you? :-p
or Greece lol
no, italy
What's your per kwh rate
no nuclear power and dependant on russian gas for power production
Lots of fun for sure, I'm usually at 100W so not too bad anyway. I don't really need a 3050 I just need a GPU with lots of VRAM but that's the cheapest one I could find lol
god i don't remember the price per kwh
Exponentially higher than the US.
A friend of mine in the UK, doesnt even do anything 'techy', just 'normal' house stuff, got a 300 quid bill 3 months in a row for his electric.
insane
oh it's 0.0227 i think, plus taxes and the likes
I only know mine since I just recontracted to a lower rate. Now averages out to be about 19c/kwh (0.12 EUR)
That's stupid cheap
Wait
Yes it is
except the 8.11 euros of taxes on top of it for what i see
8 per kwh?
Here it changes per month.. 0.48 , 0.78, 0.59 last 3 months
Also why on earth isn't it included in the rate
this is now #energy-archived 😛
it isn't super clear it says "taxes on kwh 357 at 0.022700 €/kw"
I think it changes here? But I've locked in a rate for the next 12 months, and it'll hopefully go down again next time lol
maybe that's just the tax wait
runs
Ouch
I have a system unhealth cant upgrade system. Raspberry pi Normal home assistant Installation
Where can i find Where the problem is
a found it. I guess
Under Repairs in the 3 dots where it says System Information
do anyone knows if there is any problem with the github supervisur update download
I am trying to make a fresh install or update the supervisor and it seem to be turning in round. plus add on impossible as it says system not healthy
I pass my zigbee device to the home assistant/core docker using the --devices option. I run the docker as a non-root uid by passing -u uid:gid option. However, when I do this, HA cannot access the usb device. Anyone know how to allow HA as non-root to access a USB device?
In case anyone else cares. The usb devices are mapped with user cron. So if you add a --group-add cron to the docker run command it will allow a non root user to access the usb device.
i'm trying to set up the zwave integration, but it just says failed to connect
i have added the z-wave js add on and it's running
Hello, im fighting with HA installation on windows, using virtualbox. Seems that internet connection not working, have you any tips ? Tried a lot of things from google
It stuck on preparing
how long did you wait?
More than hour
I see in logs that connection is blocked and installation just restarting
how is the networking configured?
did you have other client on your VB?
Its auto connection
yeah but i the vm. its a bridge to a ethernet nic?
grr, i dont have a lan port in my laptop
for sure there is no option to connect via wifi?
you can setup a nat network in virtualbox and use that instead. but that will have a whole lotof other problems involving discovery of things as then homeassistant is not in the same network so to speak.
ok, thanks, i will get lan adapter tommorow
I have clicked the wrong button (upload file) for my new zigbee hub. When i click configure, it allways show me the upload controll. Did someone know how can i undo this and restart the configuration from start? Thx!
I had a random crash today where I could no longer access my HA VM. The Observer URL worked but the port for the web interface would not start. SO I decided to restore a backup to a new instance but for some reason I am getting safe mode with this error.
"ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.bootstrap] Failed to parse configuration.yaml: in "/config/configuration.yaml", line 75, column 8: Unable to read file /config/scenes.yaml.. Activating safe mode"
I'm sure I could fix this but File Manager wont start and neither will samba share. Is there any other way of accessing the configuration file to cix the yaml?
i have the same problem as malySzu i tried wifi and ethernet but installation never ends up it just keeps say downloading docker image
if I use an older configuration it seems to be working but no update possible and it says unhealthy
and no supervisor update
for me changing device + using eth cable fixed everything
virtual machines using WiFi 👎
Does anyone here have experience installing HASS from the virt-install option listed here? https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux
I've tried doing it multiple times but I just get a blank console and the OS never starts
hey guys
followed the guide on the site for linux with docker compose
i created a compose.yml file as per instructions
copied the contents from the site into the file using copy and paste commands so nothing gets left out
then attempted to get it up and running with the docker compose up -d
then i get :
sudo docker compose up -d unknown shorthand flag: 'd' in -d
so i go check the verison...
docker compose version Docker Compose version v2.5.0
Glad I could help!
not tie to fire this up and start messing with it
How did you install HA?
You would just SSH to the host then
im already ssh'd into it
What are you trying to accomplish?
If you actually want to drop into a shell in the container, you can do docker exec -ti home-assistant /bin/bash (replace home-assistant with the container name if it's not that) but I suspect that's not what you need
want to add the fridge to HA
You just need to add the appropriate lines to configuration.yaml like those docs say
Install a text editor of your choice then
There are many file editors
suggestions ?
Again, add-ons are just pieces of software you can install standalone
I use code-server
like in HA ?
this is frustrating the crap out of me
i do not understand this
what masochist came up with the idea of tiered installs ???
You know how you set where your config directories map to on your computer? Go to that directory and then in SSH use nano/ vi/ etc for a pure terminal text editor
Otherwise edit the files as you would normally on a Linux install (eg how you did the compose file)
You shouldn't need to ever enter the container to edit files
Also it's not tiered installs, core is the low level, compose is core in a docker container, supervised is a supervisor for it all, and HAOS is an all in one utility. Container or HAOS is still the best and easiest method for those new to HA
Good Morning friends.
Yesterday i have installed nginx proxy seems all ok,, until now after (12hours later) cameback and cant access to HA neither by ssh/putty 😐
Just get "Congratulations!
You've successfully started the Nginx Proxy Manager.
If you're seeing this site then you're trying to access a host that isn't set up yet.
Log in to the Admin panel to get started." when access http://192.168.1.191 (no https and no 8123 port)
try access WinSCP get this warning "Try turning Off 'Optimize connections buffer size".
completly lose access to my HA remotely 😐
Need find my issue and access physically. should i force restart RPI before all?
Can you still connect directly to HA (http://1921.68.1.191:8123/)?
Nop :\
Then HA isn't running 😉
Check the various logs to see what's going on, starting with the core logs
can´t access it ;\ neither by ssh , least read logs . is possible stop the addon nginx proxy outside of HA platform, in terminal commands?
Sure, if you have keyboard and monitor connected you can interact there
thanks. lets check whats happened on the last night ^^
Solved. some reason. rpi reboots, and stuck on start 😐
any error.. just stuck .. 😐
all ok now. HA running
😍
it a rpi with debian 11 + UPS i2c + HA supervised
Why on earth are you running supervised
Especially on a Pi
Probably for that UPS hat
that point !! Tinkerer
Ah do the UPS hats not work with HAOS?
Given the limitations of HAOS... I still think it's a terrible idea 😛
I guess as long as you're keeping to the ADRs exactly then supervised can work, but I would still go container install lol
https://wiki.52pi.com/index.php/EP-0136 i use this on 2 rpi
i dont have a clue about docker/containers 😅
You need to know to use supervised tbh
tbh ? sorry not english main language ^^
To be honest
need take some dedication time to learn about docker, i have read something once time, but i go away more confused ... 🤣
Be warned - once you run docker container, you would want to run everything in docker 😃 ir's that addictive
did anyone manage it to move the swap to an external usb stick?
With what install method?
Though, USB sticks tend to be a terrible choice for that
can it run docker or python?
Don't think so
Not officially anyway
rip
it runs podman.. the unifi controller is run in a podman there, so.. and i'm able to download the h-a image as well
Then you can run HA in Docker
what do i do if repairing home assistant takes more than 50 minute
just wondering about persistence and stuff like that
Well... it's Docker
If you follow the docs then you'll be fine, unless Ubnt screws you over
yeah, i guess it's that part i'm wondering about 🙂
but with schoutsen currently employed at ubnt, i find it strange that nothing like this has emerged officially from them yet
the controllers from ubnt has applications for network, talk (voip), protect (cameras), access (door control).. so why home assistant hasn't been launched as a "smart house" application
so he was just employed for a short time?
got fired? spent too much time on his "hobby project"? 🙂
My guess is a combination of deciding not to continue to fund HA and Paulus' desire to start Nabu Casa anyway
Also all of those things are proprietary unifi things, HA is the opposite to that and doesn't seem along their path
GM All. Tinkerer if you are around, I just want to say that I am up and running with HA 2022.11.5. I had zero issues with the HA core install on an I3 laptop with Debian, Python 3.10.8 and HA Core 2022.11.5. It had to be the issue with the RPi2 32Bit incompatibility with orjson and maturin. Thank you again for your help.
Hi! I want to install this: “pip3 install py-air-control” on my home assistant running on virtual box in windows but I get the error “pip3 command not found”. I tried installing it with the “terminal & ssh” add-on. Any help? I’m still new
https://github.com/kongo09/philips-airpurifier-coap maybe that works
Just spent the last our troubleshooting why I couldn't connect to my HA. Needed to use HTTPS instead of HTTP. Feeling real dumb, have had this thing for years
We all have our moments!
Duck DNS. Is it ok? Do you recommend something else? Static IP is not an option for me (employer pays my home internet connection)
I've been using Duck DNS and I like it
It's great. Duck DNS just does the job.
i allways use a vpn for that, have to look into that stuff some day
I have my own domain, and use that with Route53 ... never let me down
guess its not too bad if you setup 2fa
Heck, just don't use the obvious ports... I've been running on 12345 for years now and get an average of less than one random connection attempt a year
I use Pairdomains for my Domain registrar. They have anonymous whois proxy, dynamic dns, and custom dns entries all included in their base price. Last I checked, it was about $18 for a .com domain.
I have subdomains for all my stuff, and use Nginx Proxy Manager + a local dns server, and can access my key services via domain name xyz.mydomain.com, etc. from both inside and outside my home-office, with the same URL.
If they try to connect to my raw ip, without supplying an fqdn on my list, they get a 404 error.
Or if they supply an fqdn, but it doesn’t match one of my defined names, also 404.
All with letsencrypt https certs.
Oh, you'll pay
I've had a power cut and my HOAS has come back online automatically but isn't reachable. IP's the same on network etc, any particular services i should chekc have started correctly?
resolved the issue, rebooted the VM and started getting the error System is not ready with state: setup
miraculously type in "Banner" and everything starts working, bizarre.
I don't know if the best channel to ask, if wrong, please tell so. I moved my mysql database from server X to Y (first shut down hass). Exported the database. Restart hass, change the connection string in recorder, restart again.
I only get one data dump of new states in the new database, after that it is quiet and no more state logging.
So the connection works I would say, just no more new entries after that initial dump at startup.
Hmmz. Seems "solved" after shutting down and giving some global privileges. User didn't have those on the old database I did not deem that required.
Sorry, Typo. Pairdomains, not paidomains. Kind of makes a difference.
When I first joined, they were called pairnic, but renamed themselves a few years later.
My HA runs on a Intel-NIC server. The server is connected to my home network with a fixed ip adres. I have configured a separate IOT network. Both networks have a separate Vlan-id. In the present situation my router only sends untagged packets to my HA server.
Is it possible to connect to wifi devices in my IOT network?
I could configure my router to send vlan tagged packets to the HA server…
But i’m not sure if my HA server is a vlan aware device…
Does anyone have a solution for this?
hello
I recieve "error processing package homeassistant-supervised (--configure):
installed homeassistant-supervised package post-installation script subprocess "
How are you trying to install home assistant?
yes Tediore
I'm asking how are you trying to install home assistant?
As in, what did you do that resulted in that error?
Got it. Any reason you're not going with HA OS?
I have a generic board with debian redeye installed.
Just keep in mind you'll need to follow the installation requirements exactly including not installing anything outside the HA ecosystem (except the dependencies in the installation instructions) otherwise you're setting yourself up for pain
To be honest, I am a real beginner here. had this great plan to start a home automation project and realized I have missed a few chapters of linux
I saw that Tediore. Even with the original install, the HA OS reported it as an unstable os
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 209.248/209.248/209.248/0.000 ms
[info] Install supervisor startup scripts
[info] Install AppArmor scripts
[info] Start Home Assistant Supervised
[info] Installing the 'ha' cli
[info] Switching to cgroup v1
/var/lib/dpkg/info/homeassistant-supervised.postinst: line 150: update-grub: command not found
dpkg: error processing package homeassistant-supervised (--configure):
installed homeassistant-supervised package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127
Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.4-2) ...
Processing triggers for dbus (1.12.24-0+deb11u1) ...
Processing triggers for mailcap (3.69) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.26-1) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
homeassistant-supervised
holy crap it actually works and the cgroup error is gone aswell
ping: checkonline.home-assistant.io: Temporary failure in name resolution
[info] Waiting for checkonline.home-assistant.io - network interface might be down... when trying to install homeassistant supervised on a raspberry pi
basicaly if you have a cert from a public ca it can be looked up quite easily, so realy none of that is real protection
using something like crt.sh or such as those automated cas all keep logs of what certificates they issued, some other services also run searches/scans to build up similar databases
I'm putting HAOS on my RPi 3B model. I've flashed the image to the sdcard, plugged it and booted it up. I pulled the homeassistant.local:8123 website and it started the installer. However it seems that it's stuck on 22-12-03 20:51:38 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete for 20+ minutes. Is that normal or should I be worried?
Oh, nevermind, it just came through
I feel like I might be using the wrong setup for running Home Assistant. I'm running HAOS inside of a qemu VM via the downloaded qcow2 image. I'm using PCIe passthrough to run Frigate with a dual Coral accelerator. All of that seems to work. But I don't really have a storage solution for Frigate. Is HAOS the wrong approach here? If I PCIe passthrough an NVIDIA GPU, will it be able to do hardware video decoding?
Which is why I use randomly generated, 20-character passwords for all of my stuff.
The Nginx Proxy Manager does help somewhat against people doing port scans by IP.
Hi! Sorry for not responding. Forgot to enable discord notifications
I tried this integration but I have an error: Logger: custom_components.philips_airpurifier_coap.config_flow
Source: custom_components/philips_airpurifier_coap/config_flow.py:190
Integration: Philips AirPurifier (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 01:39:10 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 01:39:10
Timeout, host 192.168.0.60 doesn't answer, aborting
I’m trying to connect my Philips air purifier to HA
is that ip the one of the device?
i believe in the readme it says there is apparently a bug with those devices which makes them not respond to local control after some time and that only powercycling the devices solves that, maybe a builtin feature to prevent third party local control
it also says that controlling the device using their cloud thing works fine, so maybe integrating that into ha via ifttt might be the best option
I am struggling to find any information on installing Home Assistant on Asus Tinker Board 2. The instructions for Tinker Board are not working. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
what does not working mean?
ah yeah thats is probably not gona work, use docker on whatever distro is supported on that device by the device manufacturer?
Thanks for the response, I am working on that now
Just FYI, I was able to use the Asus Tinker Board 2 Debian OS and Docker to get Home Assistant up and running on the Tinker Board 2.
Indeed. Thanks for your help! I will use ifttt. I only need it in my HA for automations, not for manual control, and ifttt should get the job done
I’m trying to connect my Philips air
Hey, is it normal for the HASSOS to just completely die after a core update? I didn't enable host SSH prior to updating. Is it completely bricked?
Hey all, I'm new to HA and trying to get my remote access running via duckdns. It doesnt work like it should. I can't access the xxx.duckdns.org:8123 - can someone help me?
Only if you tell us what you've done 😉
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/remote-access-for-home-assistant/206072 is a good guide to cover the basics, and the common problems
I've read about it but still can't really get any further. Probably just a stupid mistake on my part.
I set up a domain with duckdns, entered all the data into the addon (token, domain), forwarded the port on my fritzbox (8123, TCP), adjusted the configuration.yaml and changed on my HA settings local network to https://xxx.duckdns.org: 8123
Do you have a https cert? If not then you have to use http
I thought duckdns addon generates a certificate
Not sure I don't use add ons nor do I use duckdns
It does, if you enable that feature
Hey.. I have been trying for 3 days to set up HA on Windows10 via virtual box, have tried many combinations ie virtual box with VMDK, VDI etc each time I arrive at the dead end of "waiting on time kernel synchronisation" and the end result is it hangs on "Preparing Home Assistant" at the browser stage. Looked at everything possible but I am putting my hand up for help. Anyone?
If you click the blue circle it gets you logs
if you bridge to a wifi interface try ethernet instead
I have an old HA Core backup and I want to make a new container
is there a way to transfer the data from the backup?
Yeah, unarchive the tarball and copy the files over
ok trying
I've enabled it as described in the configuration.yaml
That's not where you enable the #add-ons-archived getting SSL certificates
Still, it's not clear what the problem is
Does https://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/ show port 8123 as open?
\o/
I'm getting a nuc to run home assistant on. The plan is to install debian and then use docker. I'm currently doing the same with Ubuntu and I get unsupported installation warnings. Using debian would fix that?
Well, not if you're going to keep using Supervised it won't
Either install HAOS, or go pure Container - Supervised is going to keep causing issues when you ignore the requirements
Ok I'll try to read up. I thought docker was the container path
You're getting unsupported because you're using Supervised
If you ditch Supervised and go Container you'll be fine
Perfect. Thanks.
Hey, how do I install home assistant on my Radxa rock 4 SE
Assuming it runs Linux you want https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-container
(and specifically https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#docker-compose)
If I use the container method would it matter if the host machine was Ubuntu or would I still want debian?
I don't follow
An add-on is a Docker container with tweaks to allow it to be configured in the Supervisor UI. It is only available in the Supervised installs (#330990055533576204 and #330944238910963714) since if you've used any other install method you're able to install software already.
I wouldn't be able to install things like zwavejs, nodered, etc
Sure you can
You do realise the world existed before add-ons were around?
That people who run those pieces of software don't always use Home Assistant?
I might be confusing the naming. It may not be something that I will miss
Gotcha
I think I’m in over my head. I started with Rpi and moved to HA blue about a year ago. Recently the system stopped functioning. I’m lost with docker. With that, I posted the following in #general-archived :
I’m not sure where to post so this is the start. My HA blue stopped functioning correctly. Addons in General would report not running. When attempting to start nothing would change. Within the log it’d report already running. I set all addons to not automatically start, no change. I updated supervisor from the local screen. Now a get the I initiation screen. “Takes up to 20 minutes” and is stuck there. Can anyone please help? Thanks
This issue began with an upgrade to HA 11
Im having issues trying to set up my HA on a Dell Optiplex. I'm pretty sure its an issue with the BIOS. Has anyone been through a similar journey through Dell BIOS?
I am also trying to install HA on a DELL optiplex (7050 altho i dont think the model matters). Times out on "time kernel synch". I get an IP but further connection via browser hangs on "Preparing HA". I have not thought about BIOS
Yup. OptiPlex 7050 Micro. The instructions on Home Assistant did mention to make 2 changes in the BIOS. I did that but am getting the same time Kernel sync issue
I,m about to install home assistant on a linux machine that I want to use as media pc and nas.. so I don't think I want a VM or a dedicated home assistant os.. but I won't be able to install add-ons unless I do so?
Correct, but as I've said many many times to others... <#installation-archived message>
oh
my current HA install is on a pi and it randomly breaks (needing a reboot) so I,m trying to fix this
I should just bot message add-ons are not magic, the world exists outside of Home Assistant
also it was slow and got stuck last time I tried creating custom cards..
I think that was using HACS.. so this would work in a core app installed on linux?
HACS ... that's an integration
integrations work with any install method, because they're for HA itself
ah ok thanks for clearing that up.. in many projects, those would be called add-ons
Home Assistant's glossary is your friend
ah it's written right there on the install page.. all methods support integrations
yeah I,m just not familar with everything yet
Care to share what changes were suggested by HA ? I missed them
it tells you to make sure eufi is enabled and to disable secure boot
its like the first 4 steps of the installation guide.. how can you miss that?
httpswww home assistant
Hello I'm attempting to install HACS and I get errors in SSH terminal that the address could not be resolved in the wget command
The HACS channel directed me here to fix DNS issues
I'm able to download and install Add Ons from the built in Home Assistant Add On Store, so the machine has connectivity
HA running in virtualbox
hello i try to install google home nest but doesnt work they are chanel for help me ?
That'd be #integrations-archived - where you already posted