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spark flare
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Is there any sort of timeframe after which I can say it's just not really working out? I can't reach that page at this point and I'm not convinced too much is going on on the yellow.

wary pivot
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The onboarding page should be up quite quickly

spark flare
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So reset time it is

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I'll let it cook for an hour or so. It seems to be busy

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oooooh, it seems to show the onboarding now

proven fox
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Hi, i have a HA Yellow ; how can i get the Zigbee DEVNAME to install Zigbee2mqtt ? it s the first ttyAMA0 ? thank you

wary pivot
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ttyAMA0 would be the GPIO pins, for example when using a Z-Wave Pi-compatible HAT

proven fox
hard python
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Just got my yellow, added the zooz zwave GPIO radio during the setup. This whole thing went smooth as heck. Love the kit.

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ok, dumb question (I've googled it too): how can I ssh into the yellow? I see the docs talking about installing an add-on, but is that the only way?

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tried sshing to the IP with my user and get connection refused on 22.

wary pivot
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The "Terminal & SSH" or the "Advanced SSH & Web Terminal" add-ons are the usual ways to get SSH access. But that does not give full access to the host OS (which usually isn't needed too often), but enough for some maintainance or debugging.

hard python
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ok, installed terminal & ssh, added my pubkey. still connection refused. I'll bounce the yellow to see if that fixes it

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oh duh

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it's not started

wary pivot
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Have you saved the changes and (re-)started the add-on?

hard python
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missed the save button. saved key, add-on restarting. trying again

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yeah, still connection refused from my terminal

wary pivot
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I'm not sure, if the SSH port is open by default. On the settings page is the networking section at the bottom. There you could open the port, if needed (has its own save button)

hard python
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I'm in now. thank you 🙂

wary pivot
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For the "Terminal & SSH" you have to use the user "root" in your SSH client. The advanced add-on can use a different specified username

hard python
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yeah, that's where I was just getting stuck (was trying my user). googled it, found that, jumped in as root.

wary pivot
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👍

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But keep in mind: the terminal and SSH access looks like full access, but it isn't. It is running in its own container with some host/HA resources linked to it

hard python
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yep yep, just need terminal access to configure this add-on. appreciate the reminder 🙇‍♂️

wary pivot
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Erm... to configure an add-on? Some add-on config files are not accessible

hard python
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Certificates and LDFI are generated for you automatically on first start. The certs are placed into the addon_configs directory in your Home Assistant configuration directory. The addon will populate an ldfi configuration option by reading the ldfi from the cert/key in that directory.

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need to get that

wary pivot
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That should be available

hard python
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yep yep, it's there. that's all I needed SSH for. now I can hook this all up

solemn fractal
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I've been using ZHA, but am looking to switch to Zigbee2MQTT --> How do I know what serial device to use in the Zigbee2MQTT configuration for the builtin zigbee device in the Yellow?

wary pivot
solemn fractal
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Thanks Jorg! :high-five:

wary pivot
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If Multiprotocol is used (not recommended):

serial:
  port: 'tcp://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999'
solemn fractal
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Multiprotocol is for Thread, right?

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I don't have anything Thread [as far as I know]

wary pivot
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For Zigbee/Thread combined, yes.
And: the Yellow's radio is still listed as experimental in Z2M

solemn fractal
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Hmm. Gotcha.

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Well, fingers crossed then.

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Is Disabling the ZHA integration "good enough" to get Zigbee2MQTT working? Or should I delete the integration all together?

wary pivot
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Disabling should be enough.

solemn fractal
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info  2024-02-03 15:59:19: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2024-02-03.15-59-19' filename: log.txt
info  2024-02-03 15:59:19: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.35.2 (commit #unknown)
info  2024-02-03 15:59:19: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.33.5)
error 2024-02-03 15:59:50: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
error 2024-02-03 15:59:50: Failed to start zigbee
error 2024-02-03 15:59:50: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
error 2024-02-03 15:59:50: Exiting...
error 2024-02-03 15:59:50: Error: Failure to connect
    at Ezsp.connect (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:364:19)
    at Driver.startup (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/driver.ts:158:13)
    at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29)
    at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:60:27)
    at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:106:27)
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Womp womp

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starts googling.

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@jorg Settings->Hardware->Configure gives me the option to remove multiprotocol support, should I try that?

wary pivot
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Did you use Multiprotocol?

solemn fractal
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When I first got the Yellow, I think I may have selected that option 😬

wary pivot
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Do you have a Multiprotocol add-on running?

solemn fractal
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I don't think so? 👁️

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Wait. I do: Silicon Labs Multiprotocol

wary pivot
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You can either use the tcp config I posted or remove multiprotocol support (that might re-enable ZHA)

solemn fractal
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With ZHA integration disabled, and Silicon Labs Multiprotocol addon stopped, I'm still getting the Error while starting zigbee-herdsman error 😦

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I'm also not seeing the serial configuration in the config/zigbee2mqtt/configuration.yaml file either? It's showing in the configuration UI, but not the configuration file on disk.

wary pivot
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The radio has the wrong firmware installed. Stopping the add-on is not sufficient

solemn fractal
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Alright, what to do? 😛

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(maybe I should just stick with ZHA???)

wary pivot
solemn fractal
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The ZHA migration did not succeed.

wary pivot
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Are the Multiprotocol add-on running and ZHA is active again?

solemn fractal
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Not currently, in the process of turning them back on; I also thought that might be it.

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Silicon Labs Flasher is also stopped at the moment. Turn that sucker back on before I Disable Multiprotocol Support again?

wary pivot
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Now you are mixing too much.

solemn fractal
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😂

wary pivot
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The Silicon Labs Flasher is used to flash the Zigbee firmware

solemn fractal
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Ok, so, here's what I'm thinking: Turn on Silicon Labs Multiprotocol, Turn on ZHA. Then do the disable multiprotocol support from the Hardware menu.

wary pivot
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Yes

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If that fails, we can still use the Silicon Labs Flasher manually.

solemn fractal
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Success!

wary pivot
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When that is done, make sure the Multiprotocol add-on is gone, disable ZHA again and then Z2M should work (in theory)

solemn fractal
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Zigbee2MQTT started!

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After following the docs, I was surprised I didn't need to give Z2M a mqtt username/password tho; I definitely had to do that to get some of my other MQTT devices around the house working

wary pivot
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It handles that automatically between the add-ons

solemn fractal
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Awesome

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And one last final question while I have ya, I'm guessing I'm going to have to repair all of my Zigbee devices to Z2M, right?

wary pivot
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Correct.

solemn fractal
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Got it. Should be easy peezy. Is it the same workflow with Settings->Devices->Add Device->Add Zigbee Device?

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Or do I need to do it from the Z2M console in the sidebar?

wary pivot
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No, you need to use the Z2M UI

solemn fractal
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Got it. Ok, I'll start exploring!

wary pivot
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If I remember correctly, you would also have to re-pair the devices, if you go back to ZHA.

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If you want ZHA "gone" (due to entity names or similar), stop Z2M, re-enable ZHA and remove it afterwards. After that you can start Z2M again.

mental venture
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Anyone ever have issues with the zigbee radio just stopping to respond after a few hours? Mine has started this past week. A reboot seems to fix it for a few hours and then it stops again. Anyone see this before? Thinking of maybe removing the multiprotocol but thought I'd ask if there was something else.

solemn fractal
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Sooo, yes, that's been happening to me. Admittedly I didn't do much investigation because I had been wanting to try Zigbee2MQTT (see above lol). There did seem to be an open issue on Github that looked related.

wary pivot
mental venture
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Thanks. I’m not savvy enough to really understand it. Just shooting in the dark at this moment lol

solemn fractal
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I also had multiprotocol on, so maybe try turning that off? 🤷‍♂️

mental venture
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Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking to try. But if there’s a GitHub open issue I’m hesitant to just go and change things if it’s something that may be fixed

zenith ridge
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a week ago starting getting failures with the zigbee yellow multiprotocl every few hours:

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Needs attention
Yellow Multiprotocol
22 devices and 126 entities

Failed setup, will retry

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anyone has a clue how to resolve this, is this a hardware issue?

wary pivot
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Multiprotocol is still experimental and not really ready for everyday use

zenith ridge
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ahh i see. how does one turn it off?

wary pivot
zenith ridge
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thx!!

wary pivot
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If you want to use Zigbee and Thread, I would recommend to use a second radio (like the SkyConnect).

zenith ridge
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hmm thx will look into that

pastel sonnet
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Finely managed to get my Yellow up and running but with issues, hope someone can help me out on it. None of my zigbee devices are working due to issues with the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 usb Dongle Plus V2

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It's ok figured it! I forgot to transfer it from the Raspberry Pi 3b to the new Yellow!

frigid flower
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hey! got my first matter device today and having trouble installing the matter addon for HA, not sure if i need the official matter server supervisor?

jolly hill
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I set up my Yellow ages ago in preperation for my move. I've now moved into a new house and when I try to login it tells me invalid username or password. Does anyone have suggestions for how I should proceed? I don't believe I really set anything up, so it might be easiest to just reset the install?

jolly hill
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I ended up just going through a factory reset. Everything seems to be coming up correctly now!

hard python
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got the notice about a supervisor update on my yellow. click install and get this error:

Failed to call service update/install. Error updating Home Assistnant Supervisor: No supervisor update available - 2024.01.1 but it still shows me that there is an update available in the GUI... anyone else seeing this? if so, have you got a solve?

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lol now it just disappeared and my version reflects correctly. 🤷‍♂️

boreal tartan
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Is it normal for the yellow kit to come with extra small screws? I think they are the same M2 hex screws that secured the NVME in, but I don't see any other mention of them in the "getting started" instructions ...

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I see references to screwing in the CM and/or maybe the heatsink (e.g. the comment below), but the "getting started" instructions made no mention of doing so, so I didn't - just used the push pins to secure the heatsink. Is that okay, or should I open it back up and screw down the CM or something?

Comment to which I'm referring: #yellow-archived message

wary pivot
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You are fine. Those screws are more a transport safety measure for the Yellow's with preinstalled CM4. Those had an issues with a loose CM4 during shipping, so those screws were added. They are not required for normal use.

boreal tartan
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Thanks!

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Edit: I now see that it's just a USB connection. Disregard this dumb question! ~Anyone have any ideas / suggestions on whether to install the SkyConnect I got with it now (before setup) or whether to perhaps wait until I get it working before adding a variable to the mix (for troubleshooting, etc)? I'm inclined to do the latter - wait - but if it's a p.i.t.a. to add later, or something, I'll take that recommendation and do it now.~

wary pivot
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But I'd recommend not to throw the Yellow around. 🤣
Joking aside - If you are using it in a RV for example, you might consider using those due to the vibrations

boreal tartan
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That makes sense. I'm using it at home, and not in a seismic zone, so if it's exposed to serious vibrations, I've got bigger problems. But good advice for others, potentially

wary pivot
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Doing one step at a time is a good strategy. Adding the SkyConnect for Thread later is totally possible (it might need a reboot of the Yellow, if it isn't recognized by the Thread OpenBorderRouter add-on.)

tepid sable
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Hello,
I have a problem with my HA Yellow.
It got corrupted during the latest update and now I am trying to reinstall the system.
I tried the USB method, it did not work.
I tried the rpiboot method, it did not work.
I tried the factory reset method, it did also not work.

Whatever I do, my HA yellow seems to boot to a certain point where the red LED is on, the yellow one blinks slowly and the green one flickers sometimes.

I have a CM4 with 32gig emmc and an NVME installed.

Anything I could do to troubleshoot further?

muted stone
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Does anyone know why my yellow poe order went from Feb 1 2024 shipping to April 2024? I ordered in November

wary pivot
wary pivot
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Even Nabu Casa might only be able to give a vague answer, when the next shipment to your distributor might arrive.

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Two possible reasons:
A) The distributor sells more than they have in stock.
B) Due to the middle east conflict ships are being rerouted to a longer route to avoid being damaged or sunk.

tepid sable
hard python
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is there an ETA for matter to be turned on in the yellow?

wary pivot
hard python
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oh.. the product page still says it will be enabled later

dreamy spruceBOT
tepid sable
hard python
wary pivot
hard python
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oh I am misreading it. got it 👍

wary pivot
tepid sable
wary pivot
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Yes

tepid sable
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I just found the installer script via the serial console, I am gonna try to run it and see if it fails.
If it works nice 😄

If not I will try to directly flash the OF from your GitHub link

THX for your help so far 🙂

lavish viper
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Yellow has PoE and Zigbee support...right?

wary pivot
lavish viper
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OK

wary pivot
tepid sable
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It seems like my manual installer start worked 🙂

Might it be, that the current installer images are broken?

wary pivot
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It is 3 months old and working for others. So I wouldn't think it is generally broken

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But it isn't perfect

tepid sable
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Ahh okay I tought maybe it was a brand new release.
Okay then it must have been on my side 🤔

THX again for the help 😄

hard python
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2 questions for the group:

I've got a SONOFF dongle that I flashed. It's working with Z2M on a container setup. I'm (slowly) moving everything over to the yellow and the Zigbee stuff is kind of the last set of stuff I need to move before I can kill the old container.

So... the questions:

  1. Is there any reason I should use that SONOFF dongle with the Yellow instead of using in the inbuilt radio? The immediate thing that jumps out at me is the SONOFF has the external antenna, so if I needed to I could swap that stuff out.
  2. I watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWzzNe5gm5s and am wondering if Z2M is something that folks tend to prefer over ZHA. I am guessing this question is going to result in "it depends". But was looking to get thoughts from the room.
wary pivot
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barren lichen
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Done

wary pivot
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Thank you!

silent pendant
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Hi! A quick question for the group. I’m looking at getting a yellow. Is one able to use Bluetooth and a zwave hat? Does the hat and Bluetooth interfere?

wary pivot
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If you mean a Z-Wave HAT and a CM4 with Bluetooth built-in - that works without further modifications.

hard python
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after a recent update (a day or so ago? maybe 2024.1.01, I'm on 2024.2 now and it shows the same) my yellow started showing this:

hci0
no devices or entities
Bluetooth adapter None with address 00:00:00:00:00:00 not found

not sure why it would flip to that. is there something quick I can do to try to fix? I've rebooted the device a number of times with the same error showing up.

silent pendant
polar scarab
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i'm trying to get ZHA to work on the Yellow. It (expected behavior) indicates a wrong fw version. When I try to follow the instructions, when I click "Configure IEEE 802.15.4 radio multiprotocol support option" in system settings > hardware, it says "Multiprotocol support is already enabled for another device" instead of anything else. What should I do now?

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wait. i had an add-on installed for multiprotocol. after that, it indicated that I can enable multiprotocol (I have no interest in this). The repair claims I should still remove it, but I can't. Any other way to update the fw?

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Checking the flasher add-on now

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Seems to have done the trick. Carry on, nothing to see here 🙂

viral robin
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Hi everyone , I'm trying to set up mu HA yellow but after the installer finished installing Home Assistant Operating System, only the red LED is on like it should be. But once I remove the USB stick and then power it on again it just shows the red and green LED permanently on. I've already tried to flash my USB again but nothing changes. What am I doing wrong?

wary pivot
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Good first steps are checking, if the CM4 is seated correctly. (1)
If you are using a NVMe and a CM4 with eMMC, it might be worth a try to begin without NVMe.
It is also a good idea to connect to the serial console to look for error messages (2)

(1) https://yellow.home-assistant.io/faq/#my-home-assistant-yellow-appears-broken-no-led-is-lighting-up-what-can-i-do
(2) https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/ or https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-linux-macos/

viral robin
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It's seated correctly. The lights are flashing indicating it's installer and also indicates it's done. But when I power it on again it just shows the red and green LED. I'm not using a NVMe

wary pivot
visual ice
wary pivot
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If I read correctly, you suspect interference. Have you tried to use a longer LAN cable to connect to the switch?

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(And position it further away from it)

visual ice
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I used the exact same cable, the one that came with the Yellow, in all cases, including when it was in the other building where it worked.

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FWIW when it worked, it was only a few feet away from the ISP's hardware that is also spewing out wifi

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So, while I certainly could use a longer cable, it doesn't really make sense that it worked with the short cable literally 1' away from the ISP's router

visual ice
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A few hours in, no PCIe errors after wrapping the yellow in foil. That's nice to at least have a fix, but also not very encouraging if the yellow really is so vulnerable to ambient levels of EM radiation.

shell lintel
visual ice
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If i had a more professional way to achieve a Faraday cage than a few feet of extra thick foil, I would do it, but in the meantime, the foil is working... The only downside is having the CPU a few degrees hotter, but still in the low 40s, so not a problem.

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It's a good thing I don't need anything wireless on the Yellow board to work.

compact quartz
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@visual ice curious as to what is happening or existing in the one location that is not in the other. Some other sources of interference? Reflections?

visual ice
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I really don’t know. In both cases the yellow was right next to an AP, though of different brands.

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In the building where it worked, 2.4GHz was off on the AP that was very close, but it was within 10’ of another with 2.4 and 5GHz.

round wind
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Hello, I am currently using the HA Yellow for an internal project, and our team has raised concerns regarding the barrel jack due to the ease of mistakenly connecting the wrong one. Does anyone know if the HA Yellow includes built-in overvoltage/overcurrent protection? I've noticed capacitors and a ferrite bead on the schematic, which leads me to believe it might not have protection against overvoltage/overcurrent. However, I must admit my knowledge in this area is limited. Could anyone offer some advice?

visual ice
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No idea about protection on the barrel jack, but I’d just avoid the problem by using PoE. So convenient.

somber marsh
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From what I see, the only protection is reverse polarity

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The DC converters producing 5V and 3.3V have a max input voltage of 18V

somber marsh
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I don't see anything powered by the 12V directly
So I assume it would probably work OK with anything from 6 to 18V

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(but I do not recommend 🙃 )

round wind
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LOL. Thank you so much! I already bought 20 of the standard version. I like the idea of using the PoE version, will send that to the safety team as an alternate if they are not able to approve the other one for my project.

wary pivot
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🧐

round wind
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So, is that inquisitive look because I bought 20, or is it due to concerns about the safety of plugging in the wrong power supply?

wary pivot
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Just intrigued about the needed number and about the power supply concern.

round wind
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Well, if successful, the next purchase will be closer to 100 units. I am guessing I will need to pivot to HA Green at that point. (although there are complications with Green because I can't source them directly in the US). I work in research, and we are using smart devices to study consumers. The devices end up in consumers (paid panelist) homes, and that is where safety becomes a critical concern.

wary pivot
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Are they supposed to interact with the Yellow?

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How are you dealing with other devices with power supplies?

round wind
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It's complicated, but in general, they shouldn't need to interact with the HA device. However, not needing to does not guarantee that they won't. And so we have to account for everything. Anything with power goes through extensive internal review, battery or main powered. Battery powered devices are by far the more common, but that is also tough. Chemistry, size, accessibility (e.g., ingenstion risk), etc. It is just very different, there is an entire new set of criteria required to ensure we are not putting someone in harms way. And, shit happens. (e.g., Snap is recalling all of its Pixy drones due to the battery's propensity to swell, heat up, and occasionally catch fire).

shut cedar
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I'd say barrel connectors are quite common for consumer devices, users are somewhat used to match them. The 5.5mm/2.1mm barrel we use is also quite commonly used for 12V. But there is no standard, so there could be different ones with the same plug. FWIW we use the same barrel for the Green (also 12V)

wary pivot
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(Center positive)

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Speaking of center positive, can we add that information to the Yellow's documentation/spec sheet? @shut cedar

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Well - the Green's as well. 🤔

shut cedar
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On the Yellow it is on the underside, on the silk screen of the PCB

round wind
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Thank you @shut cedar @wary pivot @somber marsh , I appreciate the info / suggestions.

boreal tartan
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Edit: I'm leaving this message for posterity, but since I sent it, I tried replacing the M2 with a different stick (which I'd bought in case this happened), and that appears to have worked!

I'm trying to set up a new Yellow including M2 from Seeed, which I saw in the comment below might be a problem. So far, on first plugging it in, I'm getting only solid red and green - no yellow, and no blinking of any LED. Before I try swapping out my M2, I wanted to check that those LEDs could be symptomatic of bad M2?
#yellow-archived message

wary pivot
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It could be a sign for an incompatible NVMe

flint dirge
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Hello All, I have a yellow question that I have not seen answered previously (my apologies if it has). When I ordered my Yellow, I didn't understand the difference between a Pi4 and a CM4, I scrambled to find a CM4 when I received my yellow, I could only find a CM4 lite, (2GB ram, 0 eMMC) . I installed a good ssd I had for another project, and the yellow has been working well but slow ever since. I just received a CM 4008032 from Newark($90US) , but have no idea how to go about swapping out the CM4 lite with the new CM4008032. Any assistance would be greatly appriciated.

wary pivot
compact quartz
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dont break the pins. They are hard to find

flint dirge
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Thanks for your responses!! However, presently HA as well as data, & backups are all located on my ssd. I assume that once I swap in the CM4 with 8GB of ram and 32GB of eMMC, that installing HA and its data onto the CM4 would allow for better performance??

wary pivot
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There is no need to reinstall. I don't expect any noticable performance changes due to that. Having more RAM will be more influential.

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As long as a reinstall isn't really needed, I wouldn't bother with the eMMC

bronze mango
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If anything you want to prefer the nvme over the emmc

leaden frost
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what's going on with multiprotocol? i just got a new thread device I really wanna start playing with, but if I install multiprotocol I know my 27 zigbee devices will instead start acting up...

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this has been going on for weeks and we haven't heard a peep

wary pivot
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Using Multiprotocol is not recommended and still experimental. If you watch the 2024.2 release stream, they explain why.

leaden frost
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i mean the yellow has been out for a year now, when will it stop being experimental...?

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it was marketed as supporting both zigbee and thread

wary pivot
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When it is stable enough. And that is not entirely in HAs hands, but highly depends on proprietary (afaik) stuff from Silicon Labs

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It supports both

leaden frost
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fair enough

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it's just i've been running multiprotocol since i got it a year ago (or more?), and it's only in the last month it's gone from business as usual to completely unusable

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why doesn't HA just revert the broken changes, let them simmer in test-channels for a while, and get us back to normal?

wary pivot
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I stopped using Multiprotocol "long" time ago. Add-on freezes, high CPU usage spikes and unreliable Zigbee

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There hasn't really been a "normal"

leaden frost
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fine, but there's been "things are working" and now since about 3-4 weeks ago it's "things are not working"

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it's been "usable" and now "it isn't"

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there's tens of issues across multiple github repos from users reporting a bunch of different things, all with the common denominator being multiprotocol breaking zigbee starting about 3-4 weeks ago

wary pivot
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My general recommendation would be to disable Multiprotocol

leaden frost
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and that's all well and good, but my recommendation is for HA to revert everything about multiprotocol to about 3-4 weeks ago and people can get back to using it...

wary pivot
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So you just want to vent frustration?

leaden frost
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a bit? but it also genuinely confuses me

wary pivot
leaden frost
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i guess if the recommendation is always "just turn this off" then who is running it? are there devs working on it?

wary pivot
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Multiprotocol efforts are frozen at moment

leaden frost
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yeah that would about explain it

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time-index?

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that's 2 hours long

wary pivot
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Gimme a sec

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49:35

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Can't get a link with timestamp on my mobile right now

leaden frost
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so basically they're saying they can't get the device i bought which promised certain features to do those features, instead i should buy another product from them? i'm sorry for being forward, but that's pretty unprofessional

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i get that it's out of their hands, and i get that their frustration is probably several orders of magnitude larger than mine

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the device wasn't marketed as supporting either zigbee or thread, it was marketed as supporting zigbee and thread

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it still is marketed that way

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"coming soon" doesn't sound very plausible if they are freezing their efforts...

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and it's been "coming soon" for over a year now

wary pivot
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Zigbee and Thread are working

leaden frost
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just not at the same time, yes i get it

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but that's not what the marketing says

wary pivot
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Just not at the same time - which has been experimental from begin on

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It is exactly what it says - from the crowdfunding phase on

leaden frost
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nowhere there does or did it say that users have to choose between thread and zigbee

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and you'll be hard pressed to find users who expected that

wary pivot
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And it doesn't say anything about both at the same time

leaden frost
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dude really?

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i 100% bought the yellow specifically because i wanted an all-in-one device that would do zigbee, thread, bluetooth, wifi, powered over PoE, and could be expanded if anything came up in the future, or things like z-wave via gpio

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(and i've been very very happy with it, still am)

wary pivot
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I get your frustration about the unfulfilled expectations, but I don't agree on the promised features.
However - if you feel fooled by the product descriptions, you have to contact the support directly

leaden frost
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look i like nabu casa, but "freezing multiprotocol efforts" is a nice way of saying "we're giving up on the yellow doing zigbee and thread simultaneously" and that's a serious dick move because you know that regardless of how iron-clad you think the fine print was, nobody was buying the yellow expecting to have to choose between zigbee and thread

wary pivot
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Who is "you"?

leaden frost
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sorry

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nabu casa

wary pivot
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But that's something the community cannot help you with. That's why I advised you to contact the support if you feel unhappy with the product.

wary pivot
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https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2024/01/25/matter-livestream-blog/#using-home-assistant-yellow-or-home-assistant-skyconnect
And a quote from someone at Nabu Casa:

So, what we ended up doing, is freezing the focus on the multi-protocol part for now, and shift the focus fully to make the Thread-only part user experience just as good as the Zigbee-only one.

This does not mean multi-protocol is canceled. We've frozen development on our side and will take a look later / re-evaluate later, hopefully the underlying software is improved at that point too. For now, we place our bets, focus and energy in the experiences we know can become great today.

barren lichen
crisp crane
visual ice
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Turns out my aluminum foil shielding isn't enough to make the Yellow totally stable -- it's still rebooting every couple of days. Does anyone have a particular NVMe SSD to recommend that they know works reliably?

wary pivot
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I'm using a Samsung 970 Evo Plus and it has been rocksolid

visual ice
wary pivot
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Mine is a MZ-V7S1T0BW

visual ice
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the 980 Pro is easy to find, but specifically listed as not working :(

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how are there so many different things all called the 970 Evo Plus 🤦‍♂️

wary pivot
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Different sizes

visual ice
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Even with the same size, there are multiple model #'s floating around

wary pivot
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250GB, 500GB, 1TB and 2TB

visual ice
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oh well, newegg has it, I guess we'll see if that solves the problem...

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pretty irritating to pay $30 more than the 980, but oh well

torn furnace
boreal tartan
stable escarp
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Is it possible to restore a backup from a HomeAssisant OS installed On a Raspberry Pi 4 to a HomeAssitant Yellow? I've tried the restore option but after 30 minutes it is still going. There are yellow and green ativities lights on the HA-Yellow device.

stable escarp
stone topaz
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When I get mine in I’ll be trying an OWC SSD.

stone topaz
quartz mica
leaden frost
daring cove
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Am I missing something obvious with the console port on the yellow? I'm connected to it and everything works BUT space characters. Which makes things challenging. Works normally outside of the screen session on my mac but once in that console no spaces.

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I tried to change the IP on my unit last night and while it responds to pings nothing else responds so I'm trying to get it re-alived.

leaden frost
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alright, i have a skyconnect in my yellow as well now, for thread i figured, but i can't get otbr running?

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full log from OTBR

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configured to use device /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Nabu_Casa_SkyConnect_v1.0_<serialnumber?>-if00-port0

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ah, nvm, wrong baud rate

rough hare
leaden raptor
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Hi! I did the latest server upgrade yesterday, and after a restart the UI is not accessible anymore. My lights still react to my rules, but I cannot use the http://homeassistant.local:8123/lovelace url anymore. What are my options?

I assume I need to update the frontend as well, but I cannot do that without an UI.
Do I have to SSH and restore something? If so, how do I do this? I have only seen that I have to intall an SSH module, which I have not.

wary pivot
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You can try to press the blue button for about 5 seconds to power it off. Wait until only the red LED is on. Then it is safe to powercycle the Yellow. Maybe that restart fixes it

chrome rune
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so what's the deal? I should use either the multiprotocol or OTBR add on?

wary pivot
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Don't use Multiprotocol

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Either ZHA for Zigbee only or OTBR add-on for Thread

chrome rune
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right, I've had a pretty stable multiprotocol setup so what I am trying to understand is the OTBR add on is essentially a replacement for the multiprotocol add on, right?

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as in they do not run concurrently since they both try to use the same device

wary pivot
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Replacement, if you want to use a radio for Thread only.
Silicon Labs Flasher add-on: Zigbee-only firmware (ZHA without add-on later)
OpenThread Border Router add-on: Thread-only firmware
Silicon Labs Multiprotocol add-on: combined Zigbee/Thread firmware (ZHA+Thread) (not recommended / frozen development)

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The Multiprotocol add-on has OTBR built-in

chrome rune
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yeah, I'm trying to set up my first matter over thread device, and I'm basically finding that even removing the multiprotocol stuff that nothing in this space is stable or anywhere near ready for prime time.

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I'm trying to explore a nanoleaf essentials bulb as a replacement for a bunch of lifx bulbs since IMO smart home devices are not good use cases for 802.11. I can get the bulb to pair and control it briefly, but I soon thereafter get this over and over.

2024-02-21 20:00:42 core-matter-server matter_server.server.device_controller.[node 1][126] INFO Setting up attributes and events subscription.
2024-02-21 20:00:54 core-matter-server chip.EM[126] ERROR Failed to Send CHIP MessageCounter:246305639 on exchange 2166i sendCount: 4 max retries: 4
2024-02-21 20:00:57 core-matter-server chip.SC[126] ERROR CASESession timed out while waiting for a response from the peer. Current state was 1
2024-02-21 20:01:00 core-matter-server matter_server.server.device_controller[126] INFO Attempting to resolve node 1... (attempt 2 of 2)
2024-02-21 20:01:20 core-matter-server chip.EM[126] ERROR Failed to Send CHIP MessageCounter:246305640 on exchange 2167i sendCount: 4 max retries: 4
2024-02-21 20:01:23 core-matter-server chip.SC[126] ERROR CASESession timed out while waiting for a response from the peer. Current state was 1
2024-02-21 20:01:23 core-matter-server matter_server.server.device_controller[126] WARNING Unable to subscribe to Node 1 as it is unavailable```
wary pivot
chrome rune
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yeah, I'm having trouble parsing out which layer is even having an issue.

tacit harbor
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I want to migrate my multiprotocol Zigbee2MQTT Setup back to zigbee-only firmware for stability reasons. Is it still the case that I will have to re-pair all my devices, or can I migrate that smoothly? Perhaps with a Z2M backup? Says unsupported on the documentation, but that often is out of date from my experience.

wary pivot
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No, you just change the firmware and the coordinator settings in Z2M

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  • Stop the Z2M add-on
  • Install and run the "Silicon Labs Flasher" add-on, configure it to use /dev/ttyAMA1, save and run it.
  • When it is finished with no errors on the Logs page. Remove the Silicon Labs Flasher add-on
  • Configure Z2M to use
serial:
  port: /dev/ttyAMA1
  baudrate: 115200
  rtscts: true
  adapter: ezsp

and run it again

tacit harbor
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Awesome, thank you!

wary pivot
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Ah... I missed a step

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Before running the Flasher add-on, stop and remove the Multiprotocol add-on and the Open Thread Border Router integration

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BUT - a backup is always a good idea, if something unexpectedly doesn't work

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Worst case would be a re-pairing. At least ZHA does the process without.

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Feedback, if Z2M accepts this without as well would be appreciated.

tacit harbor
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Sure, will try it later today

tacit harbor
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Update: I think my network key and/or extended pan ID got lost at some point. I have reconfigured it and now apparently need to "restart" all zigbee devices for Z2M to pick them up again

wary pivot
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But it is running again?

tacit harbor
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Yep, everything is working now (after I restarted/repaired my devices)

wary pivot
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<@&330946878646517761> spam alert - user jonzarmar

twin trout
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I've been trying to get a Yellow (CM4 lite) running, but only have a solid red LED. I can't get any life out of it - boot from USB storage, get any I/O via UART.. nothing. rpiboot finds nothing.
Only thing I can conclude is I need a new CM4. Any other suggestions from those here?
(I had no response from yellow@home-assistant.io)

twin trout
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Should I get something on serial (UART), regardless of any other issues? I see nothing there under any scenario..

compact quartz
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@twin trout without the cm4 there would be nothing. Have you confirmed that it is fully inserted? A partially seated cm4 will cause all kinds of issues

twin trout
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Yeah. Have reinserted dozens of times 🙂

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Should I always get some serial output on startup regardless of pins/state? Assuming CM4 is present…

compact quartz
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If the cm4 is functional, yes. What model did you get?

twin trout
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I have a CM4 Lite 2GB Wifi

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I guess I don't know if the CM4 is functional.. I can't prove that sadly.

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(just ordered a CM4 non-lite 4GB / 16GB)

leaden raptor
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Localhost UI not working

median quail
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Currently running a CM4, and looking into purchasing a yellow, is it easy to upgrade?

compact quartz
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@twin trout oh if it’s a lite then you now need to also rule out the nvme.

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@median quail what are you using with the cm4 now?

median quail
wary pivot
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Backup and download, wipe/install the new HAOS image for Yellow, restore the backup

wary pivot
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Yes, the previous image would run, but you would get no access to the Zigbee module (and the LEDs, if I remember correctly) for example.

compact quartz
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Right, it would not have what it needs to work with all of the Yellow hardware, as this requires flashing it with the image of HAOS for Yellow

median quail
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ok, thanks. :) To the yellow itself, is it a good time to purchase it, or is there a new version in the works currently or in the next year?

compact quartz
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Umm…hmm. There is no new version in the works currently. Are you missing anything with your current setup?

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The Yellow’s window was small i think, hampered by Covid and supply issues. I’d at least wait and see how the CM5 ends up working out with it, and making a choice after that.

median quail
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thanks, than i will wait one or two years longer :)

twin trout
compact quartz
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a red light, with a Lite and incompatible ssd is pretty common to see here

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What is brand and model is the ssd?

twin trout
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Ok got you. What about a USB stick should it use that (temporarily - but I have a bootable HAOS installer), at least to show some serial output? I have a WD supplied with the Yellow - will get you the model number.e

twin trout
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@compact quartz: Western Digital PC SN530 NVMe (256GB)
SDBPNPZ • 256G
Aug 2022
(was supplied with the Yellow - hoping that means it's compat 😆)

boreal tartan
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However, I’ll say that the NVME SSD that was bundled with the Yellow kit by Seeed Store didn’t work for me or others. Don’t have the model info for that offhand; just saying that being bundled with the Yellow doesn’t always mean it’ll work, counterintuitively

twin trout
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Jeez...

boreal tartan
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And much to my frustration.

twin trout
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Has anyone else used one of these WD SN530's, and it to/not work?

ivory minnow
# boreal tartan However, I’ll say that the NVME SSD that was bundled with the Yellow kit by Seee...

Hi, this is Aidan from Seeed Studio. We noticed the issue you mentioned regarding the SSD. Could you confirm if you purchased the 512GB SSD? Currently, on the HA Yellow bundle page, we have associated two SSD options: a 512GB SSD from Longsys and a 1TB SSD from KIOXIA. We have previously tested both SSDs for storage expansion, and they worked fine with HA Yellow. However, we did not test them as a system boot drive. After seeing your question, we recently conducted tests for using them as boot drives and found that the 512GB Longsys SSD indeed cannot boot up properly, while the 1TB KIOXIA SSD can function as a boot drive without any issues. We have already removed the association with the 512GB version. We sincerely apologize for not conducting thorough testing, which has caused inconvenience for you. We can provide a refund for you and any other HA users who have the same issue, so please contact techsupport@seeed.io for further assistance.

boreal tartan
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Hi, thanks for the reply; it was the 512GB, yes. Order #6000011635. I emailed about it a few weeks ago and haven’t heard back yet, although I know it’s been the holiday break for you. Thanks for reaching out here; I’ll forward my message to that address.

boreal tartan
ivory minnow
wary pivot
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The second distributor I see interacting with users here on this Discord. I'm positively surprised, to be honest 👍

ivory pagoda
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Plus one to what @wary pivot said!
Many thanks @ivory minnow 🙏

wheat briar
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Just got my Yellow today and got everything assembled, but I can't get the installer to work. I'm using PoE and it comes on, but I only get a solid green and red LED, the yellow one never comes on. I suspect it might be because I'm trying to install from a USB C flash drive but I'm not sure.

wary pivot
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The USB-C port is for the serial console and mounting the onboard storage to a PC only.

wheat briar
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Ah, that would certainly do it. I'll look my C to A adapter and see if that helps. Thanks!

wary pivot
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<@&330946878646517761> Spam alert - User Drippy

compact quartz
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WHERE

wary pivot
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Already banned by someone

compact quartz
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ah dang

supple zodiac
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I am attempting to use the 3.5mm out on my Home Assistant Yellow, but alongside the actual audio I am trying to play, it outputs a steady buzzing tone. It stops when I unplug the yellow and I don’t get this tone when unplugged or plugged into another device. I tried another power supply to no avail as well. Anything further I can do?

toxic hare
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Can someone tell me how to remove the mutliprotoll on the HA Yellow. I've tried via shardware >configuration->remove IEEE multiprotokoo . I still have the mutliprotokoll showed as used in my Thread integration

wary pivot
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You can remove the Thread integration. After the Multiprotocol removal, the radio has the Zigbee-only firmware

toxic hare
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I want to keep Thread - I have some thread devices- So Thread only use of the built in radio

wary pivot
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Then you have to remove ZHA, remove the Multiprotocol add-on and use the OpenThread Border Router add-on. That flashes the Thread-only firmware

toxic hare
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Do I then need to remove the "Thread" Integration too and keep only the OT Border Router Integration? Do I need then to "connect" the Thread devices again?

wary pivot
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I would expect that, as a new Border Router is created

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But I have no Thread devices to test that

proven fox
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Hi, what is the best choice: Yelow or green with SkyConnect? thank you in advance

wary pivot
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It depends

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Yellow has upgradable storage, Green is easier to set up

proven fox
wary pivot
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Installing the CM4 (correctly) when buying a kit variant, choosing compatible hardware (like a NVMe), software setup, serial console instead of a HDMI port for debugging

toxic hare
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@Jorg I've deleted the Zigbee multiprotoll, and unfortunateley deleted in the Thread Integration the "border router reference" (or whatever this was). When I now try installing the OTBR again it's asking me for a URL - what do I need to enter?

wary pivot
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Install the OBTR add-on and run it. Everything else will be discovered automatically later.

toxic hare
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@Jorg I've tried to do that but I get a popup asking me about the URL for the REST API - I can't pass this point

bronze mango
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thts the thread integration

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not the thread addon

toxic hare
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OK, now I have OTBR started. After a While the OTBR appeared in the configuration of the "Thread" service as a preferred network. But whithout an devices. My Matter over Thread devices are still accessible (EVE Energy) - I assume via the OTBR. So, what is the "Thread Service" for ?

quick sky
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For a while now have have been using the Zigbee only... Can I without loosing anything, enable Matter(Thread?) as a afterthought ?

wary pivot
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If you use the Thread-only firmware, Zigbee won't work anymore. With Multiprotocol both would theoretically work, but it is not recommended, as it isn't ready for production and development is frozen. Matter itself has nothing to do with the radio, so that is safe to use. If you want to use Thread, it is recommended to get a second radio like the SkyConnect.

wary pivot
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That's not related to the HA Yellow. The channel #diy-archived might know.

dusky hollow
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Oh, wasn't meaning to put it here. Thanks and sorry!

dusky hollow
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I have an HA yellow and I'm looking to consolidate hardware and move HA to a virtual machine. I mostly have network devices and zigbee, if I do a backup of the Yellow and restore it to a fresh HA install in a VM, will the Zigbee devices carry over to the new Zigbee dongle, or do I need to rediscover everything? I'm mostly just trying to find out how much time to account for the move. Thanks!

sullen depot
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Has anyone with a home assistant yellow with cm4 tried local voice assistant using whisper/piper? Is it powerful enough to support better whisper models and not just the tiny-int8?

wary pivot
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No, it isn't powerful enough. For me even the tiny-int8 doesn't work well.

wary pivot
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The OS stays on the eMMC, just the data partition is moved. You need to make a backup, download it, maybe wipe the NVMe, reinstall HAOS and restore the backup.

wary pivot
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USB hotplug detection is a bit flaky on HAOS sometimes pepeJa

solemn fractal
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~/dev/usbboot master ?2 ❯ sudo ./rpiboot                                 09:08:46 PM
RPIBOOT: build-date Mar 10 2024 version 20221215~105525 1cf92dbf
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...

But rpiboot is just hanging...

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Any ideas??

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Whelp. I tried a new cable and now it works.

solemn fractal
#

Hitting another problem when trying to install HAOS on the Yellow:

24-03-10 21:57:46 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.os.manager] Detect Home Assistant Operating System 12.0 / BootSlot A
24-03-10 21:57:46 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] Cloning add-on https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository repository
24-03-10 21:57:46 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] Cloning add-on https://github.com/home-assistant/addons repository
24-03-10 21:57:46 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] Cloning add-on https://github.com/esphome/home-assistant-addon repository
24-03-10 21:57:51 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.store.git] Can't clone https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository repository: Cmd('git') failed due to: exit code(128)
  cmdline: git clone -v --recursive --depth=1 --shallow-submodules -- https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository /data/addons/git/a0d7b954
  stderr: 'Cloning into '/data/addons/git/a0d7b954'...
fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository/': Could not resolve host: github.com
'.
24-03-10 21:57:51 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.store] Can't retrieve data from https://github.com/hassio-addons/repository due to
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On my laptop, I'm definitely able to resolve github.com. Router is configured to get DNS from Google (8.8.8.8), and DHCP is using the local router (192.168.1.1) as the DNS host.

#

Any other troubleshooting I can do?

#

I really wish I could SSH onto the box itself 😢

wary pivot
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If you get to the HA console, Login as root (no password) and try the following commands:
ha dns options --fallback=false --servers dns://8.8.8.8
(you can also try 192.168.1.1) followed by a
reboot

bronze mango
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Honestly I had the same problem, never resolved, cheated and reflashed my nvme drive (I was using nvme) with the image from GitHub manually

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Since then it's been working flawlessly

shut cedar
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Since quite a while we get these reports, but I have never been able to reproduce it here. I even bought routers and stuff users were reporting the problem with, but just never happened here 🙈

wary pivot
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My first thought was some kind of ISP blocking. But if 8.8.8.8 is working in that network on other devices... 🤔

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And currupted data on a new system shouldn't create those significant numbers

shut cedar
wary pivot
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Is that issue limited to balena on Ubuntu?

shut cedar
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Not sure, probably

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Or rather Linux, I am pretty sure it happened on my ArchLInux as well

solemn fractal
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I was over my friends' house trying to get him unstuck. And gosh darn, I wish I found that link to enable SSH at the time. 😛

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Well, I brought the Yellow to my house, plugged it in, and had absolutely no problems (well, one problem, getting read to report bug in #installation-archived ).

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At friends house, his router was giving 192.168.1.1 has the DNS server. I couldn't get his router to give out 8.8.8.8 via DHCP directly, but we did configure the router itself for 8.8.8.8.

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My plan is to get the Yellow set up at my house, somehow force the Yellow to always use 8.8.8.8 (halp? ha dns --servers dns://8.8.8.8 ??), and then bring the Yellow back to his house and keep my fingers crossed

shut cedar
# solemn fractal My plan is to get the Yellow set up at my house, somehow force the Yellow to alw...

Yeah this will add the DNS server before any locally (DHCP) provided DNS servers.
https://github.com/home-assistant/plugin-dns/blob/master/rootfs/usr/share/tempio/corefile#L18

However, I do really wonder why the locally pushed DNS server lead to that DNS resolving issue.

If you can install the SSH/Web Termimal add-on on your end you have a handy access to the system terminal as well. The ha dns info should list the DHCP provided DNS (192.168.1.1 in your case) under locals:. I wonder if that is the case. If no, then somehow the system doesn't pick up the DNS server from DHCP. If yes, then somehow the system doesn't like/processes the responses from that local DNS 🤔

solemn fractal
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Once I get passed this Installation UI bug, my plan is to get Terminal/SSH addon installed and then I think I'll be able to do much better debugging from the Yellow while on my friends' network.

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It was just a miserable nightmare trying to do that with screen/serial the other night because not all the terminal characters were coming back. With the Terminal/SSH addon, or SSH'ing with 22222 linked above, I feel confident that I could root cause it much better. 🤞

jovial tusk
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where I can buy HA yellow in UAE, duabi or abu dhabi?

wary pivot
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There is no official distributor in UAE.

muted stone
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I just got a Yellow and a cm4 and cannot get it to boot at all, I've tried everything, even switching jumper to usb and useing the usb recovery button but rpiboot keeps saying "Loading Embedded: bootcode4.bin over and over. Any ideas?

wary pivot
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Check if the CM4 is fully seated in its sockets. The connectors make a satisfying click when they are pushed into the sockets.
Partially inserted CM4s cause all kind of symptoms.

toxic hare
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I have an HA yellow.
I’m currently use the built in radio for Thread only. To add Zigbee and to avoid the multiprotocol, I’ve attached on the other USB port a Skyconnect stick.
The Skyconnect Integration pops up. Trying to configure “Skyconnect Zigbee v1.0” leasds to an error “error by testing USB device”
Then the Skyconnect integration disappears.
Using the “Yellow Zigbee Home Automation” integration and trying to configure leads to an error “unknown error occurred”
What do I have to do to enable in addition to the integrated radio (which uses thread) the skyconnect on the HA Yellow?

wary pivot
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Is there still a disabled ZHA integration for the Yellow radio? If yes, delete it and re-try. Also rebooting the device (not just restarting HA) sometimes help with USB hiccups

toxic hare
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I did reboot already. How do I find out about the disabled ZHA integration? Nothing is shown on "configured" section...

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Now it seems that with my trials I have killed the Thread network - no device accessible. I will restore a backup now befiore I do further trials.

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@Jorg, backup restored. Thread devices are again working. Can you please tell me how do I see if there is a disabled ZHA integration?

loud swift
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Speaking of ZHA, why is it failing to often since one of the recent HA released on Yellow? Using MultiPAN firmware since the release of Yellow.

boreal tartan
wary pivot
toxic hare
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@boreal tartan many thanks. I have checked it - There are no disabled ZHA integrations.

wary pivot
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@toxic hare You can also try to flash the correct firmware to the SkyConnect.
Either on your PC using a Chrome browser and the SkyConnect web flashing tool
or with the Silicon Labs Flasher add-on in HAOS, where you have to set the SkyConnect in the add-on settings, save the settings, run the add-on once and observe the add-on's logs page for errors.

wary pivot
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<@&330946878646517761> Spam alert again. User Dutch_Deadpool

toxic hare
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@Jorg Questions for clarification to avoid mistakes: 1.) What do you mean with correct Firmware - do you mean Zigbee only? 2.) HA Yellow has two USB Ports. Do I need to connect to one specific? 3.) Once I shut down the Pi and reboot HA with SkyConnect plugged in, I see the "SkyConnectZigbee" Integratrion popping up (which I tried to configere). But I havealso the " Yellow Zigbee Home Automation integration" in the discoverd section. Which one shall I use for setting up the SkyConnect?

wary pivot
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1.) Yes, and the newest one.
2.) The port doesn't matter (except the USB-C port - that is for the serial console)
3.) Press ignore for the "Yellow Zigbee Home Automation integration" and configure the SkyConnect one.

toxic hare
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@Jorg many thanks. IÄll give the Web based flash a try 😉

toxic hare
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@wary pivot I've updated the Skyconnect from 7.1.1.0 bild 273 to 7.3.2.0 . Then I plugged it into the Yellow and the "SkyConnect v1.0" integration poped up and aked for "installation". I approved that and after a while a message ocurred "unknown error occured". Is there a log which could help?

wary pivot
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Settings - System - Logs

toxic hare
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OK. I reapeated the procedure - shut down the HA Yellow and rebooted (with SkyConnect plugged in). I looked into system logs and only found no USB/Skyconnect related error. Then I opened the integration page - SkyConnect Integration was there to be configured. I pressed "configure" and now after a while the message "Error testing USB Device" occured. I looked into system logs and no new error /warning etc. was there.

wary pivot
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Have you tried to add it manually using add integration and selecting Zigbee Home Automation?

toxic hare
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No, I haven't. I'll try now..

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That move me forward - it found the ttyUSB0/Skyconnect and now asks what radiotype I want: EZSP, ZNP,deConz,ZiGate, XBee - Is EZSP the right one?

wary pivot
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Yes

toxic hare
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Now it comes to erail port configuration : Port ttyUSB0 with 115200 baut? And there is dataflow control with radio buttons: Hardware, Software and a radio button without any text attached to it. This third option is marked - shall I leave that to the third option without any text?

wary pivot
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Select Hardware

toxic hare
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connection failed

wary pivot
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Well... you can try it with the Baudrate of 460800

toxic hare
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That fails too.

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You meant hat seriously with contacting support? Do you speculate that somthing is defect?

wary pivot
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I meant that seriously. It might be a hardware failure or something else I may have overlooked.

#

You should mention, that you are here, so they can get in touch with you.
They can advise what to do next.

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Do you have anything power hungry on the other USB port of the Yellow?

toxic hare
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I have the homematic IP RF-USB-Stick on the other USB port

wary pivot
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And you are using the internal radio with the OpenThread Border Router add-on, right?

toxic hare
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Yes, I'm using the internal radio with OpenThread Border Router add-on

wary pivot
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Just a short summary for the support member:

  • Yellow's internal radio is used with the OTBR add-on
  • The Yellow's ZHA suggested integration setup popup has been ignored
  • No other configured ZHA integration is present
  • SkyConnect has been updated to EZSP 7.3.2.0
  • SkyConnect suggested integration setup popup fails with "unknown error occured"
  • Rebooting the Yellow did not fix the issue
  • Manually setting up ZHA with the SkyConnect (baudrate 115200 and 460800, hardware flow control) fails with the message "connection failed"
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All correct?

toxic hare
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yes

wary pivot
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Ok. Just to make the support's life a bit easier (less stuff to read)

toxic hare
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Have you filed that as support case already or do I need to to summarized all again and send it to hello@home-assistant.io?

wary pivot
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No, you have to give them an email. Give them a short description of the problem and a hint, that you are here in this Discord channel (makes communication easier).

toxic hare
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will do and many thanks for your help so far!

slow spire
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I was interested in running PiHole and stumbled upon some posts on reddit etc. asking about being able to run PiHole on HA Yellow itself instead of buying a separate piece of hardware. They mentioned running it via docker but I could not find any details. Would anyone have an idea on how this would work and could possibly direct me on the ideal method ?

wary pivot
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Either use the AdGuard Home add-on or look for a custom PiHole add-on. Running own Docker images on HAOS is not supported and not recommended.

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Or build your own add-on.

pearl sandal
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do be aware that if you want to use either adguard or pihole network-wide and you're also using ipv6, simply setting your dns in your dhcp server will often not be sufficient. if you have a relatively sane ipv6 setup using RAs, you'll find that all v6 lookups will bypass the filtering and use whichever external servers the RA sets up. to fix this, you need a router that is capable of futzing with the RA stuff, which a lot of common consumer gear isn't

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so, yeah. bit of a wabbithole, potentially

slow spire
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Not sure what an RA is?
Also I use unifi. Giving adguard a shot and yeah it does seem to partially work...

pearl sandal
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yep, that sounds about right- if you run wireshark up on a client, you'll likely see the v4 lookups hitting your adguard box and the v6 going elsewhere

unifi's routers aren't great, i'd suspect you could be out of luck with most if not all of those. i seem to recall dream machines having some half-arsed dhcpv6 support, but generally you want to avoid dhcpv6 in favour of ra (router announcement) which is how most sensible networks will be

pearl sandal
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which leaves your choices as a) get a more flexible/better but harder to configure router, or b) disable ipv6

slow spire
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Well it's weird because it works on one of my VLANs but not the other. I don't think it's an IPv6 issue as that appears to be disabled. Seems to not be routing anything on the secondary VLANs even though the DNS is showing up as expected (home assistant's IP)

pearl sandal
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haha, oh, yay, then it might be something weirder and more fixable

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but yes, not having v6 is a worse but easier route, when you figure out what the heck else you have going on there 🙂

slow spire
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Out of curiosity, why is not having v6 worse/bad?

I believe unifi has the ability to utilize it, I think I simply disabled it to minimize the amount of rules, etc. to control the traffic I needed. I do see a way to configure a v6 DNS, though.

lyric canyon
pearl sandal
# slow spire Out of curiosity, why is not having v6 worse/bad? I believe unifi has the abili...

v4 address exhaustion, better performance, avoiding increasingly janky cgnat in isps etc., there are loads of impressively boring reasons. it's also the case that while most consumer gear can accept the basic ra-style autoconfiguration, it often has a very basic implementation, especially when you're trying to do anything clever- so while v6 is better on paper, it's worse on practice with a lot of consumer-friendly gear

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so it's a bit of an annoying time. v6 is old enough to vote but still not properly implemented on consumer networking gear 🙂

pearl sandal
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(though i do love an ugly kludge, secretly)

lyric canyon
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I don't use the redirect way myself. It's a nice article though.

pearl sandal
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the worst bit is that i have a router sitting unused in a box that could do it "properly" and rewrite the ra stuff, but i am too lazy/cowardly to set it all up right now

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i think i only have enough working braincells for one set of puzzles at a time

slow spire
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I see that I had content filtering enabled on the other VLAN so it wasn't using the specified DNS. Think I can figure it out from here, thanks much

pearl sandal
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yay, nice

small sequoia
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Hi all, I got a Kit with Power-over-Ethernet and a CM4008032 with eMMC and no NVMe, and I am not having any LEDs light up when I attempt to install the Home Assistant Software. I'm using a TP-LINK Gigabit PoE+ Injector TL-POE160S, and the only thing I've noticed when it's plugged in is a very faint clicking every couple seconds. I have reseated the CM4 multiple times and tried other ethernet cables. Unfortunately, I don't have any other devices to test with that utilize PoE to my knowledge. As a relative amateur, is there a way to determine whether the CM4 and/or Kit is defective without a multimeter or similar tool?

wary pivot
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I'd try it with a compatible power supply with a barrel jack to test it.

shy atlas
wary pivot
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Yes

shy atlas
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do you know what it means when the red and green LEDs stay on solid?

wary pivot
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HAOS/the installer is not running. For example when no OS is installed

shy atlas
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I have tried the factory reset, then run the installer with the USB but all I get is both red and green LEDs on solid, have tried both USB ports, tried different USBs and I pretty sure the NVME ssd is compatible. NVME is a Patriot P300 256GB

lyric canyon
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You could connect a display to it to see what actually happens.

shy atlas
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really? is that using the usb-c port? USB-C and running rpiboot?

wary pivot
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Not a display, but you can use the USB-C port to use the serial console

shy atlas
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had no success

lyric canyon
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That's where my assumptions get me 😄

wary pivot
lyric canyon
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I just always assume everything has a display output. Serial is also nice and can even be easier. You can debug with a Laptop without moving the hardware, for example.

shy atlas
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no response through putty

wary pivot
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Have you tried to send some Enter key presses?

weak oar
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My parents are building a new home, which has some smarts in it (mainly Niko home control from what I gather). I've been thinking a small "server" would be useful to run stuff on in their network. Was mainly thinking of Adguard Home for them, but running Home Assistant will probably also add some benefit for them in the long run, in addition to maybe some VPN capabilities (they have a vacation home in a different country, might use it to get around some country restrictions)

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is a HA Yellow good hardware for this use case?

shy atlas
wary pivot
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What NVMe exactly have you been using?

shy atlas
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Patriot P300 256GB p300p256gm28

wary pivot
wary pivot
shy atlas
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yep

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thought the 256 should be ok

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maybe it doesn't work as a boot disk?

wary pivot
shy atlas
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mine is very old

wary pivot
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It is worth a try

shy atlas
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great call

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i mean Yellow is old, CM4 is new

wary pivot
shy atlas
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ah I was looking for this.. but would this work if the nvme isn't compatible?

wary pivot
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No. Just an option to get around installer issues

shy atlas
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I have yellow flashing led

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fingers crossed

wary pivot
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Good sign

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The yellow led is triggered by the OS, not the CM4 firmware

shy atlas
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it went through the process where the yellow led flashed like in the instructions and then solid yellow and then it went off but the green led keeps flashing 😦

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never stops.. I had the same result with the nvme out

wary pivot
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I'd try it with the direct OS flash.

shy atlas
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I will try tomorrow as I dont have a adpater here.

wary pivot
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You can also use the Yellow as adapter. It is just not as user friendly.

shy atlas
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I did try that earlier but it kept failing

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is rpiboot meant to be run through cli

wary pivot
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rpiboot is run on the PC's cli

shy atlas
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C:\Program Files (x86)\Raspberry Pi>rpiboot.exe
RPIBOOT: build-date Dec 19 2023 version 20221215~105525 62ce49c0
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...
Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin
Sending bootcode.bin
Successful read 4 bytes
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...
Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin
Second stage boot server
Cannot open file config.txt
Cannot open file pieeprom.sig
Loading embedded: start4.elf
File read: start4.elf
Cannot open file fixup4.dat
Second stage boot server done

wary pivot
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Is the green led on now?

shy atlas
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yep

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nothing shows up under storage in Raspberry PI imager

wary pivot
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Try rpiboot -d mass-storage-gadget64 . And do not use the RPi imager. The HAOS images shown there are not compatible with the Yellow (except the installer)

shy atlas
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No 'bootcode' files found in 'mass-storage-gadegt64'

wary pivot
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gadget64 not gadegt64

shy atlas
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🤪 been a long day!

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C:\Program Files (x86)\Raspberry Pi>rpiboot.exe -d mass-storage-gadget64
RPIBOOT: build-date Dec 19 2023 version 20221215~105525 62ce49c0
Loading: mass-storage-gadget64/bootfiles.bin
Using mass-storage-gadget64/bootfiles.bin
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...

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seems stuck

lyric canyon
shy atlas
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thanks for all your help @wary pivot I might try again tomorrow night. Appreciate it 🙂

feral locust
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CM4 upgrade from 2GB to 8GB / non-lite and datas on M2

pastel sonnet
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where can I get any help on issues not fixed or resolved in 3 months to get MQTT2Zigbee working in HA yellow

compact quartz
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@pastel sonnet I switched to Z2M a few months ago on the Yellow. What kind of issues are you having

pastel sonnet
compact quartz
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it stops after running for some time or it doesn't ever get started?

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what is in the z2m addon logs?

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This wouldn't be specific to the yellow, really. It may help to move to #zigbee-archived

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ah you are already there

pastel sonnet
shy atlas
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@wary pivot Thanks again man!

rain nova
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My yellow (well more likely just my Home Assistant installation) has a tendency to just stop responding, no response from the GUI, and no automations - but with leds behaving as usual (heartbeat, and activity), and fine response to ping ... looking into the home-assistant.log.1 (only logs error and warning currently) gives no clue to the problem ... and I dont really know where to look now?

grave moon
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wary pivot
grave moon
latent fern
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Looks like paw trouble

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My cat says that all the time

wary pivot
tardy rose
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Hello! Noob here, considering buying the HA Yellow: When I get the CM4 with the Wireless option (WiFi + Bluetooth), will it work at all? I'm concerned about the heatsink covering the antenna, reducing the signal strength. There's an Antenna Kit by Raspberry Pi but I don't know if it will fit in the Yellow housing. Thanks!

wary pivot
# tardy rose Hello! Noob here, considering buying the HA Yellow: When I get the CM4 with the ...

It works, but not great in my experience. Using WiFi to connect the Yellow to the network is not recommended and doing so or using it as access point might also lead to Zigbee interference.
The built-in Bluetooth has been so so for me. It worked, but not nicely. An ESPHome BT Proxy is better in my case.
I tried an external antenna (a PCB style one) and set it as active in the config.txt, but wasn't able to tell the difference (if that setting really switched to the external antenna).

tardy rose
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@wary pivot Thanks! I was going to use ethernet to connect it to the network, so no WiFi needed. I only need Bluetooth to receive data from a Temperature/Humidity sensor (Xiaomi LYWSD02MMC), and Zigbee for radiator valves. Maybe a Raspberry Pi 5 with the SkyConnect would be better to start with? Although it would cost roughly the same...

wary pivot
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I haven't tried the built-in Bluetooth of a Pi5 with HA yet, so I cannot say anything about the reliability/stability.
My recommendation is a ESPHome Bluetooth Proxy, which can be placed near the devices.

tardy rose
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Alright, Thanks! I think I'll get the Yellow with Wireless CM4 anyway and see how it works. I can add the Bluetooth Proxy later too if It want. I even have a M5StickC Plus already lying around.

wary pivot
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If you don't need much storage (aka additional NVMe SSD) or a PoE option, the HA Green with a SkyConnect and one of the recommended BT sticks might be a less expensive alternative, too.

tardy rose
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I also like the idea of having everything in one box, without any dongles, hubs and proxies hanging around 🙂

wary pivot
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<@&330946878646517761> Spam Alert - user TinoLimoncino

jolly hill
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I'm trying to add a certificate to my Yellow to go with my External access.

I installed the Let's Encrypt Add-On and I configured it using DNS for my Cloudflare Domain.
As far as I can tell it created the cert correctly.

However I can only access my instance externally over http and not https. Is there a final step that I missed?

latent fern
jolly hill
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Ohhhh, you know what. I bet it's because I'm doing port forwarding.

Do I need to forward to :443 as well as :8123?

latent fern
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you need to forward whatever port you've told HA to listen on

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HA can listen on any port and you can specify whatever port you want when you connect via https://xxx. The default will be 443 if you don't provide one in the URL, so you would need to forward that port to whatever HA is listening on

jolly hill
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Hmm, Okay. So for my initial HA setup I left it on 8123. On my Router I'm forwarding <random port> to <Yellow IP Address>:8123

If I go to http://myDomain.com:<random port> I get the HA login page.

If I go to https://mydomain.com:<random port> I get can't connect.

In my configuration.yaml I do have an http setting with a server_port, ssl_certificate and ssl_key. The server_port is set to :443, so I'd assume that means I need to add another entry in my router to forward <more random port> to <Yellow Ip Address>:443?

latent fern
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something doesn't add up there

jolly hill
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I would agree. lol

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What I'm not sure about is, do I just need to wait longer for things to properly propagate through DNS, or is there an actual config issue

wary pivot
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Have you restarted HA after making those changes?

latent fern
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If you can access your HA instance with http at 8123, it sounds like you're either taking to a different instance, or you didn't restart HA

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If you did what you said, it would respond to https on 443

jolly hill
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Ahhh, yup, I think the reboot might have been all I was missing.

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I'm just blind and missed that part.

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Testing on my phone looks like https://domain:<random port> works.

I want to make sure I'm properly accessing my instance locally though. Right now I'm just doing https://homeassistant.local:8123 which works but is obviously complaining about the certificate not being correct. Is there a different way I should access it locally now?

latent fern
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Ideally, you would move SSL to a reverse proxy like NGINX and leave the internal connection as http. Bit your other options are to accept the cert error or use hairpin NAT with your public domain

jolly hill
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Might go with the hairpin. Really need to update my ports to label which goes where. lol

jolly hill
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Phew, deleted my Source NAT masquarade rule that I could have sworn I added as part of this whole exploration and took down all my internet access. Luckily I had a backup. 😬

jolly hill
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Of course now I get a certificate mismatch in the android app. Oof

wary pivot
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Are you using the Cloudflare DNS proxy?

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If so, you need to use the Cloudflare origin certificate instead of a LetsEncrypt one.

jolly hill
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No. I set up Cloudflare to point towards my home network IP, DNS only. I set up my Router to do DDNS to update the IP address in Cloudflare if it changes. Then used the LetsEncrypt Add-On in HA

brave trout
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Well, I am not sure what just happened. I was about to shut down my HA Yellow to get it set up at my mothers next week. There was a notice for a new supervisor 2024.03.1. So I updated as my internet is not metered. Now I can not sign on. I conneced a console via USB and everything looks OK. The only weird thing I notice is that when i type 'ha info', I see 'state: startup' and 'supervisor: 2024.03.0'. ideas?

wary pivot
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Try a ha super repair

brave trout
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tried that... it spun for 10 or so minutes and seemed to fail. unable to download image. i will try it again and get the exact error

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The message is "Post 'http://supervisor/supervisor/repair': context deadline exceeded (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)"
Now I will confess I am runing the Yellow on WiFi. I will plug an ethernet cable in and try again.

wary pivot
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That might have caused it (to fail updating the Supervisor)

brave trout
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The repair while on ethernet was successful. lesson learned.

brave trout
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I went back to WiFi only. I can not access the HAYellow on my local network. I CAN access it via NabuCasa? What could be going on? Started after updating Supervisor from 2024.03.0 to 2024.03.1 -- nothing in the brief release notes seems related to this behavior.

wary pivot
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My guess would be a change of the IP address

brave trout
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it's the same IP

wary pivot
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Can you access it by http://<IP address>:8123 ?

brave trout
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IDK. maybe I am too impatient. can get in now...

brave trout
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Thanks for the support on this platform.

atomic quarry
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Hello folks... does the particular variant of Raspberry Pi I get with the yellow matter all that much?

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I want to be able to eventually run several cameras triggered by motion with ocassional live viewing

wary pivot
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Yes. It has to be a CM4. Raspberry Pi 4 or 5 don't fit.
Next thing is the amount of RAM and storage you want.
Also: what do you exactly mean by "run several cameras triggered by motion"?

full coral
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I am not sure, if this is the right channel. but I would like to change /etc/nsswitch.conf on a hassio VM installation. can anyone please tell me how to remount / in rw mode?

lyric canyon
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What are you trying to change there?

full coral
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I wanted to change name resolution for hosts to file and dns only. but meanwhile I think, that my local dns server has a problem ^^

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anyway it would be interesting how to change files in this filesystem

lyric canyon
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DNS and HAOS has been problematic for as long as I know about it. Not everyone has problems with it though.
The thing is that / is SquashFS (try findmnt /) as explained here: https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/operating-system/#components

Squashfs is a compressed read-only file system for Linux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SquashFS
You should treat HAOS as the appliance that it is. If you need more flexibility use something else.
Your problem (need more info about it) might be solved by disabling fallback: https://www.home-assistant.io/more-info/unsupported/dns_server/
I don't know how you could remount / as rw or if it would break something (likely).

full coral
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thanks a lot! fallback sounds really cool!

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my problem is, that some of my esphome devices are not known in the .local domain. and I do not know a possibility to change this .local domain in esphome integration (maybe this is also possible and would be much better for my needs)

lyric canyon
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In theory. In my case it causes 100% CPU usage if I don't disable it as I block access to random DNS servers other than what is given out via DHCP for most devices and HAOS, or rather the DNS plugin, doesn't like that.
.local is mDNS and not directly related to DNS. It not working could have a few reasons.

full coral
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hm I have never investigated in mDNS. I have a local dnsmaqu on a different VM which I also use to resolve the names of my esphome devices. but some are failing, i do not know why

wary pivot
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But it still seems to be unrelated to the HA Yellow device

full coral
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this is the reason I wrote that I am not sure if this is the right channel 😉

dreamy spruceBOT
full coral
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thanks. the names of the editions are a little bit confusing

wary pivot
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<@&330946878646517761> Spam alert - user ja

hushed wave
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Thnx

robust turtle
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Darn beaten to it 😄

reef quest
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I'm in urgent need for advise ...

my HA Yellow suddenly stopped working this AM ... so I power cycled it, and nothing.

I could ssh into it (OS) but not the HA container, in the OS, typing ha freezes ... (nothing happens)

I did some searching, and found a topic about freezing on boot with "waiting for HA to be ready" ... and something about the partition label needing to be renamed from hassos-data-old to hassos-data ... so I did that, rebooted and succes? it booted, and I could login to the HA web interface, but ALL my configuration is gone!

so I took out the nvme, and plugged it into my computer, to my surprise, there was no partition, it's gone!

before I re-configure the whole system from scratch ... any advise on how to recover the nvme partition?

(and now i will most definitly configure a cloud backup)

reef quest
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I now believe the nvme just died ... it's not just the partition not showing up, it's the whole disk not being detected (plugged into a laptop nvme slot vs. earlier through a usb enclosure)

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it's a Crucial P3 ... so not a low quality drive, has anybody seen this happen? does the yellow burn nvme storage?

tardy rose
spark island
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transitioning from the green to yellow. When I make the backup on the flash drive, do i need to unzip it for the yellow to recognize the tar file or just leave it as it?

wary pivot
rose jay
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Just started setting up Home Assistant Yellow, my first Rasp Pi. The "Installing > Step 11" (https://yellow.home-assistant.io/power-supply/) says "wait" as the installation is copied over from the flashdrive. Its been running for ~2 hours and isn't complete, seems a bit excessive so I thought I'd ask if that is normal. The pattern of lights doesn't seem to match the "no internet" pattern the guide describes.

Status lights on the pi are:
Red is solid
Green brief flicker, somewhat steady pattern, somewhat chaotic.
Yellow: blink on, steady pattern.

wary pivot
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The usual culprits are a not fully in its sockets seated CM4 or DNS.

light tusk
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Hello, noob question

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If I want to be able to control a mix of Matter over Thread and Zigbee devices, would I need two Yellows?

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As I understand it, it only has one radio that can be used for Thread or Zigbee, but not both

latent fern
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You just need another dongle

light tusk
latent fern
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One way or another, you need two radios

wary pivot
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Don't get fooled by the Multiprotocol stuff. It is far from production ready and development is frozen at moment.

light tusk
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Is there a better radio solution?

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I don't want to bring in any proprietary Google/Apple devices, which is what most of the TBRs are at the moment from what I can tell

wary pivot
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Better is relative. If you want to use Zigbee2MQTT, the chip used in Yellow and SkyConnect is not optimal - it only has experimental support yet

light tusk
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I don't know that I have a firm requirement for MQTT at present, legacy Zigbee would probably work for anything that doesn't support Matter over Thread

wary pivot
light tusk
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Ok thank you

wary pivot
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Yellow has the advantage of upgradable storage over the Green for example.
So it depends on your needs, which one is better for you.

light tusk
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Noted, thank you

rose jay
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@wary pivot or anyone else -- I'm trying to follow the directions Jorg posted above on Windows.
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/

I can't get "Port" to appear under device manager. I do see it appear under "Other devices" and disappear when powered off/disconnected. See screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/DEEzgFN

The directions state:

Make sure JP1 is set to UART.
but unclear what I should do / check to make sure that is the case. I did see JP3 and JP4 and JP5 listed on the board.
I'm assuming these are used to make hardware connections? Certainly haven't added anything like that to the board so may already be good to go for that step.

wary pivot
dusky hollow
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Ciao a tutti. non riesco più accedere al mio home assistant e vorrei accedere dal terminale per capire il problema. solo che non so come accedere al terminale in quanto home assistant yellow non ha nessuna porta hdmi. home assistant green invece possiede la porta hdmi che mi permette di accedere al terminale

wary pivot
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In English, please

undone gull
weak oar
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I have a Cisco switch that I still need to configure, which uses a serial port interface. I have a USB adaptor which doesn't work on windows anymore due to lack of drivers, but so was hoping to use it through my home assistant. I installed the ssh terminal add on, and can see in dmesg that it recognizes the device. Now I just need a utility that could use a serial console. I know "screen" can do it, but don't know how I could install it.

wary pivot
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At least the Advanced SSH & Web Terminal add-on allows to add Alpine packages via the add-on's settings page.

weak oar
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I looked over that option, thanks!

rose jay
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Issue: I can't load the desktop web based HA interface on first install.

I'm finally connected to logs via USB-C! Thanks Jorg.

I'm not seeing any obvious errors. https://imgur.com/a/JkivJ04 I ran the two comments suggested in the guide https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/use-serial-console-windows/
(ha supervisor logs and ha network info ) and didn't see anything that jumped out to be as obviously wrong. I can paste full logs if that would be helpful, or is there another command I should run?

If there is some port forwarding or the like I need to enable on my router let me know!

lyric canyon
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I can paste
I would recommend that.

dreamy spruceBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

lyric canyon
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Also try the ip, not just the .local address.

rose jay
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That worked, thanks!

Who should I reach out to if I want to make a contribution to the getting started guide on home-assistant.io?

latent fern
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on every doc page

rose jay
wary pivot
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There you don't have an edit button.

latent fern
lyric canyon
wanton void
shut cedar
rose jay
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Win 10 and 11
That link did not work @shut cedar

shut cedar
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Hm, interesting. Normally mDNS (.local) as well as LLMNR (without suffix) work on a local network, at least I've tested it with Windows 11. Maybe some filtering in your LAN or your network is not declared as private network in Windows? 🤔

rose jay
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No idea but tried on two windows laptops.

I assume it is something related to my router, default settings Nest Pro

wanton void
wanton void
timber sleet
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Hey, I cant access my HA on my Yellow since this morning. We didnt do anything.
Restarting didnt help. I cant access via DuckDNS url, remote ip and local ip.
But the automations are still working...
I dont get any error message, just the endless "loading" and "trying to reconnect" thing.

Any idea?

wary pivot
timber sleet
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I tried different USB-ports on my Windows PC and in the settings, the only "information" about the port, is this: "Port_#0011.Hub_#0001"

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Ok, did need a driver for Windows, too... ^^ Was mentioned in the MacOS doc, but not the Windows one.

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And what do I need to look for?
The supervisor log has one warning, but doesnt look important... Its not on the network now. But as I said: The automations were working. I just couldnt access the HA...

wary pivot
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If the supervisor or core logs don't show anything obvious, #installation-archived can help with debugging.
Are you using Alarmo?

modern cipher
dusky dune
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Looking for which CM4 I should get: Do I need wireless or does HA Yellow already include bluetooth/wifi?
Further, can I get the CM4 lite with no emmc flash and boot off the m.2 on the HA Yellow?

wary pivot
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The Yellow base board does not include WiFi/Bluetooth. You can either use a CM4 with BT or use ESPHome BT proxies (recomended).
Yes, you can use a CM4 lite and boot of the m.2. But those CM4s cause more trouble during setup than the ones with eMMC. And the m.2 NVMe has to be compati ble

dusky dune
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What trouble does it cause?

wary pivot
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Old firmware, which does not boot from NVMe for example

dusky dune
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I see, so you're saying it would be better to get one with eMMC even if I still want to boot from NVMe?

wary pivot
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I personally would prefer that. But that's more an opinion than a technical fact

dusky dune
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Thanks Jorg

wary pivot
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Just make sure to get one of the known working NVMes

dusky dune
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Is there a list of known working ones? I saw a list of known not working ones

wary pivot
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Not really. From my own experience I can recommend the Samsung 970 EVO Plus series. There are cheaper ones, but those I haven't tested myself. You might want to dig a bit into this channel with the search function to get more user reports.
However, you shouldn't get any of the not known ones
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/faq/#which-ssds-are-not-supported

dusky dune
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Okay, thanks! I actually already have a 970

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I don’t use it much so I might as well repurpose it for this

slow spire
#

Not sure which section this would be good for but, lately starting from some time this week a lot of my wireless devices become frequently unavailable. Dunno if it's from a recent update or what but, curious if it's an issue with my install or something else?

By wireless devices I mean zigbee devices as well as things on wifi. Previously I would get an unavailable message at best once a day from these devices. Now it's every couple hours to as little as every 30minites on all devices.

wary pivot
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Have a look at the logs in HA. You find those in Settings - System - Logs

slow spire
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Aside from the flood of unavailable/available transitions, nothing really stands out

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Also for some reason the logs only go back as far as the 5th of April now, take forever to load or just plain dont.

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Maybe I'll try rolling back the version a few...

wary pivot
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Or updating to 2024.4.3 shksShrug

slow spire
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I'll give it a day on the latest and see if that changes anything but it looks like the problems started occurring shortly after the 2024.4 update

wary pivot
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I have no WiFi/Zigbee problems with a Yellow and 2024.4.2/3. Might be some interference issue.

slow spire
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Unlikely since nothing hardware-wise has changed, and the devices themselves arent having any network issues, which i confirmed by looking at my network diag. I'm also having issues with software stuff becoming unavailable like the forecast home is apparently showing the same problems.

Weird though, the 2024.4 update was on the 5th and the next was on the 9th, but many of the devices didn't start showing symptoms until the 8th.
Update to 2024.4.3 didn't resolve (dropouts occurred quickly even after the update). Testing a downgrade to 2024.3.3 now - so far it seems more stable but hasn't been long enough to confirm. Downgrade is still having issues.

bright hound
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i hope someone can help.

i have been running my HA yellow for over a year if not two with out issue. suddenly yesterday it goes down and i am unable to access it all all.

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my trouble shootingso far has been to.
remove SSD and mount in PC, the drive is unaccessable, no media is all thats shown i cannot even format the drive.

I put a new SSD in and try to install HA, i end up seeing
[ 34.755329] haos-flash[241]: Getting latest Home Assistant OS version from channel stable...
[ 35.022266] haos-flash[241]: Installing Home Assitant OS 12.2 to nowhere.
[ 35.022729] haos-flash[241]: No storage media found, exiting.

but that SSD i can read and mount to my PC

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the rpiboot shows

sudo ./rpiboot
RPIBOOT: build-date Apr 12 2024 version 20221215~105525 ff9da750
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...
Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin
Sending bootcode.bin
Successful read 4 bytes
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711/2712...
Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin
Second stage boot server
Cannot open file config.txt
Cannot open file pieeprom.sig
Loading embedded: start4.elf
File read: start4.elf
Cannot open file fixup4.dat
Second stage boot server done

wary pivot
#

Are you using a CM4 lite?

bright hound
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i am

wary pivot
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You can try to remove all partitions on the NVMe using your PC, so no previous installation interferes.

bright hound
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sure, i'll give that a try

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try to reinstall again and view the messages with screens

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same messages

[ 34.764075] haos-flash[243]: Getting latest Home Assistant OS version from channel stable...
[ 35.050865] haos-flash[243]: Installing Home Assitant OS 12.2 to nowhere.
[ 35.051347] haos-flash[243]: No storage media found, exiting.
[ 35.812510] cam-dummy-reg: disabling

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clarifaction, the drive that i cannot read anymore was m.2 nvme, the only other m.2 i have is a sata m.2

wary pivot
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SATA is not supported

glossy lichen
#

Hello,

I have a HA Yellow Up and running and am wondering whether i can somehow add PoE Support (i die purchase the one without Poe).

Thanks!

wary pivot
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Not to the Yellow itself.
You can get a PoE splitter, which takes PoE power, converts it to 12V and delivers that via the according barreljack the Yellow uses.

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Everything else would require lots of (SMD) soldering

glossy lichen
#

Thanks!

dusky dune
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Hey @wary pivot hopefully you can help me out here. I got my CM4 and installed everything. My m.2 is in the right spot, and I think I pressed the button at the right time. However, according to HA i'm running out of storage, and I'm guessing it has not detected my m.2 at all. Prior to installation, I deleted the volumes on the ssd and left it all unallocated. Do I need to create a simple volume first? My understanding was it would do that itself when installing to the ssd.

wary pivot
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It does not show in the menu for data partition migration? Which SSD exactly are you using?

dusky dune
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it is a 970 evo plus, 1tb

wary pivot
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I'd try it with a single empty partition

dusky dune
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It does not show in the menu for data partition migration
Are you referring to Settings > System > Storage?

wary pivot
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Yes

dusky dune
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Unfortunately not

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78.5% used space and eMMC Lifetime Used 10%

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Move Data Disk tells me no suitable storage found

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Can you create a empty partition in the HA os environment?

wary pivot
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You haven't hotplugged the m.2, meaning it was powered off during install?

dusky dune
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not sure I understand?

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It was plugged in before I powered on the device for the first time

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it is very hot, I should add, the ssd that is

wary pivot
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You can use the Linux partitioning program parted from the serial console.
And you should check, if the m.2 is fully inserted

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I meant, the Yellow was unpowered when you installed the m.2

dusky dune
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Yes it was unpowered when I installed it

wary pivot
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Good.

dusky dune
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I tried fdisk -l on the terminal but nothing printed, not sure if thats right

wary pivot
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I would remove and re-add the m.2 and create a partition (via the serial console or a PC). You likely have to reboot the system, if you created the partition with the console

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Terminal or serial console?

dusky dune
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Terminal addon

wary pivot
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That does not work. You need access to the base OS via the serial console (or the debug SSH)

dusky dune
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Oh I see

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I'll have to come back to this later on, but thanks jorg, ill update when I can.

wary pivot
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If you aren't using Windows - yes

sinful moat
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Hello, I have lost my HA owner password, and I'm trying to log in via Console by connecting HA Yellow via USB-C to my PC while using PuTTy. However, when I enter the command auth reset --username existing_user --password new_password (replacing the placeholders with my own), I get this error -sh: auth: not found, any help would be appreciated

lyric canyon
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You forgot ha at the start as in ha auth reset --username existing_user --password new_password.

sinful moat
#

the docs doesn't say that

lyric canyon
sinful moat
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now I have a different error, Error: Unknow error, see supervisor. !!!

sinful moat
lyric canyon
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ha supervisor logs might tell you why it complains.

sinful moat
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"TO RESET AN OWNER’S PASSWORD, VIA CONSOLE" section

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ah yes it does

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The user was wrong it worked thnx for the help @lyric canyon

dusky dune
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I'm just about losing my mind, I have tried to install HA to my nvme drive so many times and it keeps failing. Here's my latest instlal log:

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somewhere I can upload this?

dreamy spruceBOT
#

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

dusky dune
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So I press the blue button at the right time, so it goes ok lets install there and it just keeps failing

lyric canyon
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What model is that NVMe?

dusky dune
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It's a 970 evo plus, i mean they use this one in the installation pictures so surely it should work

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Do you have any suggestions I could try?

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I had it formatted as ext4, should i be formatting it differently?

lyric canyon
wary pivot
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Now you aren't moving the data partition, but want to install to the NVMe? That causes problems sometimes. However. You can try to flash the OS itself to the NVMe. And you would have to make sure, the eMMC is completely empty. But that's more complicated.
You could start with Option 2 of this guide: https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/reinstall-os/
But in step 8 you use the command ./rpiboot -d mass-storage-gadget64 to get access to the mass storage. Now you would have to make sure (e.g. with fdisk), that everything on the eMMC is removed. Then you can flash the following image to the NVMe (you might have to unpack it first, depending on the flasing tool) https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/releases/download/12.2/haos_yellow-12.2.img.xz

dusky dune
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well im fine with moving it, but that didn't work. It started the process, then an error occurred at some point and it stopped entirely. And that's if I can even get the ssd to show up in the Move Data Disk menu. It showed up once, every other time it never shows up, doesn't get detected, idk.

wary pivot
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It might also be some kind of hardware defect somewhere

dusky dune
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Like right now, I've reinstalled to the emmc, the ssd is absolutely plugged in and its hot so its powered on, but i get No suitable storage found

dusky dune
wary pivot
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Somewhere on the PCIe route

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I'm wondering, why exactly the kernel is panicking

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Kernel panic - not syncing: Asynchronous SError Interrupt

dusky dune
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Do you think I should request a new yellow board?

wary pivot
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We should get the support on board before drawing any hasty conclusions.

dusky dune
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Ah okay, where do i contact?

wary pivot
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Wait a second, please

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Have you been using the NVMe successfully on a PC before? Meaning it was working?

dusky dune
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Yeah, it works perfectly fine.

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Used it for a windows install at first, then later used it as an additional storage drive until today where I've formatted it for use with HA

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To be clear, I deleted all partitions in gparted and made an ext4 volume

wary pivot
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Please send an email to the support at yellow@home-assistant.io and give a short description of the problem. Mention that you are here on Discord. I'll leave a short summary here, so they don't have to scroll through all of our conversation necessarily. @dusky dune CANCEL THAT

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Summary:

  • Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB used
  • has been working on another system
  • all partitions have been removed, also one partition has been created
  • NVMe does not show up for data migration regularly
  • if it does, data migration fails
  • using the installer to install to NVMe (blue button) fails with a kernel panic https://dpaste.org/hLgDC
shut cedar
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@dusky dune How do you power the Yellow?

dusky dune
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The included power adapter

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This isn't the PoE model

shut cedar
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It kinda smells like power or hardware to me, we have quite a few folks using the Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB. This can't be SW.

wary pivot
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I'm using that model too

dusky dune
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Oh jeez... So I did screw the CM4 down, but I did not click it in...

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That said, everything has been functioning perfectly in HA aside from the SSD

shut cedar
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I mean, screws might have pushed it in palce too.. Or you did observe a gap?

dusky dune
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I was very light on the screws

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I've just pulled off the heatsink, and now I've clicked the CM4 into the sockets properly

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I'll boot and see if HA picks up the SSD now

shut cedar
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Looking at the schema, on the back side board to board connector is not much except PCIe. So if that one was not properly connected, it could explain things.

dusky dune
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It's showing up in move data disk immediately

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This might have been it

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I'll try migration now

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I don't have the serial console plugged in so I'll just have to wait for now

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It is a success!

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Thank you very much @wary pivot and @shut cedar.

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Needed to click the CM4 in

shut cedar
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🎉 thanks for the update

toxic hare
#

@dusk vortex I reach out to you to investigate my SkyConnect issue. I worked with @compact quartz since 5 weeks to resolve my issue. He told me toget in contact to you via Discord. The problem is to add the zigbee home automation integration to HA using the Skyconnect stick. Always when trying to add the zigbee integration (manual of automatic) if fails to connect with "connection not known" error message. It was identified with log files that the SkyConnect EZSP Stack speaks Protocol Version 4.0. I flashed on advice of @compact quartz the EZSP 7.4.0.0 build 0 to the SkyConnect. Unfortunately that did not resolve the issue - same error message. Again I found in the log file "Switching to EZSP protocol version 4", which was said to be too old. Can we try to interactively do some debugging?

dusk vortex
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All fixed. Rogue addon was trying to talk to every USB serial device on the device.

bitter yew
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I cant seem to get around the infinite flashing yellow LED

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i do have a nvme m2 caddy, can i just flash the OS onto the SSD?

wary pivot
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If the eMMC is empty and you are using the correct HAOS image for Yellow, yes

bitter yew
#

looks good

calm phoenix
wary pivot
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You can add it as a custom component for testing

calm phoenix
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How would I do that? I want to test using SKU LAP-V2015-AUSR as a Vital200S (just bought it, looks like a new SKU)

wary pivot
lucid flame
#

is it a good time to get yellow as CM5 should be coming sometime this year? I am using a more powerful board now but no official HAOS support

wary pivot
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CM5 compatibility is not proven yet

trim yarrow
#

Hi, is there a good way to check if the USB ports in a home assistant yellow are working? I had a p1 meter working via usb for about a year without any issues, some days ago I added a coral for a short bit of time to my yellow via usb and since my P1 meter is not workin, I have tried both usb ports and reinstalling the integration

wary pivot
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I haven't ever got a Coral working reliably on a Yellow.

trim yarrow
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the problem is not that the coral is not working but that now my P1 meter is not working anymore in any USB port, so I worried that they are broken

wary pivot
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Have you tried rebooting the Yellow (not just restartung HA) with the P1 meter attached?

trim yarrow
wary pivot
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HAOS sometimes has some trouble to detect newly attached USB devices. A reboot helps in that case

minor gale
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Hi, do i need to do something to enable a nvme to be recognized after adding it? dmesg only shows
[ 1.271816] nvme nvme0: pci function 0000:01:00.0
No device files

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ok, lspci does not show it either 😦

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01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5763 (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])

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it does it seems

sly hawk
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I currently have HA Blue and now want to migrate to a Yellow - Is there a thread on migrating, or a good walkthrough video that anyone knows of?

wary pivot
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Creating and downloading a backup on the Blue.
Uploading to the Yellow and restoring the backup.
Giving the Yellow an additional full reboot (not just a restart of HA).
Working through the integrations, which might need some reconfiguring.

royal pendant
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Is there a way i can install ubuntu onto the yellow?

wary pivot
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It might work, but without tinkering with the device tree, you will likely get no access to the yellow LED or the Zigbee radio for example

royal pendant
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ok. well i accidentally bought 2 so i want to use the second to run network stuff, so just need a linux OS i can install things onto

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thanks

wary pivot
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With an Ubuntu image for Raspberry Pi 4 it will mostly work as such.
Except for the missing hardware features, missing display output, missing ribbon camera/display connectors and so on.

acoustic yoke
#

I'm reading about the need to buy the HA Yellow (with CM4 or buying that separately), but also an "external ESP-based microcontroller with ESPHome". Is that then a separate device? If so, is it also sold in connection to HA?

wary pivot
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Yes, it is a different device. No, it isn't sold in connection

acoustic yoke
wary pivot
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An ESP32 or ESP8266

dreamy spruceBOT
acoustic yoke
#

could a Raspberry PI 5 connect to the HA Yellow the same way a CM4 could?

compact quartz
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A Pi is a board. Do you mean a CM5?

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An RPi cannot connect to the Yellow like a CM4, no.

radiant willow
#

Hello, new to HA played around on the Docker version and decided to go Yellow and go all in. Its seems I am a real noob in getting Yellow running or at least boot to HA. I have been going ton of documentation with no success. I tried the RPIboot getting to "Stage 2"

wary pivot
teal pewter
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Morning everyone 👋 I have a quick question. couldn't find it on anywhere on the website.
Is Power-over-ethernet version of Home Assistant Yellow compatible with Power Supply also ?

wary pivot
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Yes. If both are attached, the Yellow will draw its power from the power supply

teal pewter
radiant willow
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Yes, I did

minor gale
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Oi, the PoE Yellow gets waaaaaarm

royal pendant
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Is there a way to change the boot order? I have (i think) still got the default HA OS on the CM4 eMMC, but can USB boot and this works with raspberry pi default OS. But i want to install this to the nvme and boot from that/

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If i go back to default boot and install to nvme then install rasp pi would that work

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can't seem to get it to boot except with the USB now

wary pivot
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You can use rpiboot to remove everything on the eMMC, so there should be no need to change boot order

royal pendant
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but then it's installed to the eMMC and not the nvme

wary pivot
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Or, if HAOS is running, use the red+blue button method to wipe everything and install HAOS to the NVMe directly

royal pendant
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ok

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how can i get it to go back to that boot and not USB

pulsar phoenix
#

Hey everyone! Has anyone received any updates on the Home Assistant Yellow stock in the US? My ship date has been pushed back three times already. Currently looking at May 31, 2024, but it was originally set for Feb 01, 2024. Thanks in advance for any info!

wary pivot
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You can use the blue button method on installation to install it to the NVMe (doesn't seem to be 100% accurate) or you flash the HAOS image for Yellow (not for RPi4!) directly to the NVMe (e.g. with a USB/m.2 adapter)

wary pivot
royal pendant
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ok. but right now it seems to be stuck wanting to boot from USB. I did the both red and blue buttons once, but

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now it will only boot USB. I can see the files still on the emmc

pulsar phoenix
wary pivot
#

That sounds like CrowdSupply

wary pivot
royal pendant
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ok but i didn't do anything to the emmc, i only flashed the usb from a separate pc

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ha os is still on the emmc

wary pivot
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What did you flash to the USB?

compact quartz
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once anything is on the emmc, you need to clear it if you want some other boot medium

royal pendant
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raspberry pi default

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i just booted with both the red and blue button

wary pivot
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With or without the USB attached?

royal pendant
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with and i can do that again and pios comes up

wary pivot
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Don't use the USB

compact quartz
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And stop using RpiOS

royal pendant
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yeah. doesn't seem to come up

royal pendant
compact quartz
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The Yellow isn't made for it?

royal pendant
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sure. but i have one and i need a base linux os to run stuff on and it;s nice and low power

compact quartz
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oh this. right

royal pendant
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[i accidentally bought 2]

compact quartz
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I think you'll still want to use rpiboot to mount and clear/format the emmc

royal pendant
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so shall i start over from scratch using rpiboot

wary pivot
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Either start HAOS (the one from the eMMC) and hold red+blue when powering it on. Or use rpiboot and delete everything on the eMMC

royal pendant
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ok trying now

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solid green and red light

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now just red

pulsar phoenix
# wary pivot That sounds like CrowdSupply

They must have heard my plea, for anyone else wondering they told me that ```We are hoping to have these shipping by the end of May when we are expecting more new units to arrive to our warehouse for shipment.

royal pendant
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rpiboot does the trick. rpiOS now on the yellow eMMC. can use the nvme for data. Any reason to not just boot off eMMC?

wary pivot
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No

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Likely an incompatible NVMe

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Yes

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Some other users had problems with XPG NVMes

lyric talon
#

Hi folks. Just out my HA yellow together with an nvme ssd. Install completed and I got to the solid red light. I removed everything and powered cycled and I'm this:

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Damnit. Cant attach files?

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Red led stays solid. I'm getting 2 yellow blinks, then 1 green blink.

dreamy spruceBOT
#

@lyric talon Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

lyric canyon
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Maybe you can connect to it via serial to see what's going on?

wary pivot
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What NVMe are you using and have you checked if the CM4 is fully seated in its sockets?

patent nacelle
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Anyone else having ZHA crashing on yellow all the time? Seems like i get connection reset by peer. Not much else I can find in the logs.

wary pivot
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No, ZHA is running fine. Are you using the Multiprotocol add-on?

patent nacelle
wide reef
#

Hi all,
I have HA running in a container in my internal docker cluster and I want to do my first steps with Matter and Thread. I want to keep HA in my internal LAN, as docker management is internal and my MariaDB runs on my NAS in the LAN. I‘m looking for a way to have the thread GW and the matter server in the DMZ and HA still in my internal LAN. My idea is to deploy a yellow in my DMZ but only use thread and matter from this device and keep HA internal. My question is: can I run a yellow and not run HA on it but only consume the thread radio and the Matter Server?

wary pivot
wary pivot
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However their answer is, I don't think the Yellow would be a good choice for that. There are likely less pricy options for remote Thread/Matter use

wide reef
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It‘s presumably not a popular use case, I understand. If HA could run as a proxy for other HA instances, that might be quite simple to implement. In that case the HA on yellow would not hold data but forward everything to the internal instance

wary pivot
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That's not a thing and will likely not be implemented in the near future. The only thing is a custom component named Remote Home-Assistant. But that just links to entities of another HA installation. They still have to be managed on the original instance

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But the add-ons should be able to be integrated by another instance. But - as I said - other hardware would likely be more suitable (and cost less) for that usecase

wide reef
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OK, makes sense

formal hatch
#

Is it possible to make a HA yellow non PoE to s PoE, or do I need to buy a whole new yellow assembly kit?

wary pivot
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Kind of. You can get a PoE splitter, which has a 12V output with the according barrel jack for the Yellow.

formal hatch
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Oh that would be a good solution!

wary pivot
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Everything else might depend on the board revision, lots of electronic parts and SMD soldering 😆

formal hatch
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I would skip the last one 🤣

wary pivot
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12V 2A with a 5.5/2.1 mm barrel connector (center positive)

formal hatch
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Looks perfect, thanks

wary pivot
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You would have to check, if it is compatible to your PoE standard

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I have not checked that in depth

patent nacelle
wary pivot
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You should do it, like the guide describes

patent nacelle
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I did. But I still cannot communicate with my devices for some reason. So trying reboot.

Seems to work now. But I’m on the verge of just connecting a conbee if this continues. 😂

wary pivot
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ZHA without multiprotocol should be much more stable

wet geyser
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Hi there. Are you planning to resupply crowdsupply? My order there has been pending since November 2023. Should I cancel the order?

wary pivot
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shksShrug You would have to ask CrowdSupply

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I personally would order at another supplier.

paper berry
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I'm having issues updating the firmware of my skyconnect using the silabs flasher add on (zigbee only)

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I see this output in the logs

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s6-rc: info: service banner successfully started
s6-rc: info: service universal-silabs-flasher: starting
[17:10:03] INFO: Detected Home Assistant Yellow
[17:10:03] INFO: Starting universal-silabs-flasher with /dev/ttyAMA1 (bootloader baudrate 115200)
2024-05-07 17:10:05.676 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flash INFO Extracted GBL metadata: NabuCasaMetadata(metadata_version=1, sdk_version='4.3.1', ezsp_version='7.3.1.0', ot_rcp_version=None, cpc_version=None, fw_type=<FirmwareImageType.NCP_UART_HW: 'ncp-uart-hw'>, baudrate=115200)
2024-05-07 17:10:05.677 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Triggering yellow bootloader
2024-05-07 17:10:05.983 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Probing ApplicationType.GECKO_BOOTLOADER at 115200 baud
2024-05-07 17:10:06.096 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Launched application from bootloader
2024-05-07 17:10:07.099 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Detected bootloader version '2.0.1'
2024-05-07 17:10:07.100 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Probing ApplicationType.EZSP at 115200 baud
2024-05-07 17:10:07.107 core-silabs-flasher bellows.ezsp INFO NCP entered failed state. No application handler registered, ignoring...
2024-05-07 17:10:08.333 core-silabs-flasher universal_silabs_flasher.flasher INFO Detected ApplicationType.EZSP, version '7.3.1.0 build 176' (7.3.1.0.176) at 115200 baudrate (bootloader baudrate 115200)
NabuCasa_Yellow_EZSP_v7.3.1.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl

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I'm wondering if I'm picking the wrong baud rate?

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context: I'm trying to enable ember since I'm using zigbee2mqtt

wary pivot
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You are not flashing the SkyConnect

paper berry
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yeah you're right

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I call it that way for some reason but SC is the standalone dongle.

dusk vortex
paper berry
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got it thanks, I ended up using the command line

amber agate
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Hi everyone, Has anyone's Yellow USB stop working with the latest update? i rolled back and they still do not work

wary pivot
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No problem with the USB ports and the newest version here

amber agate
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awesome... lol

wary pivot
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Do you have problems with devices you just plugged in?
In that case a host reboot might help. HAOS sometimes has problems to recognize new hotplugged USB devices.

amber agate
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tried that.
rebooted through the interface
unplugged the power (network cable) waited 10seconds nada..
tried other zwave adapter and nope

wary pivot
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Have you checked, if the CM4 is fully seated in its sockets? Missing CM4 connections can cause all kinds of havoc

amber agate
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I havent but everything else is working as it should.. ill take a look at it though. thanks

wary pivot
compact quartz
noble juniper
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So, I have a cm4lite that has bluetooth errors since some HA update, which from some reading that I can't find again is due to linux kernal stuff breaking bluetooth. I was just ignoring the problem, and hoping the linux stuff would get resolved and I wouldn't have to do anything, and I know a esphome bluetooth proxy is a common workaround if you have a CM w/o bluetooth, and would be a reasonable workaround here as well. Does anyone know of other fixes for this issue? It's a configuration failure loop.

river thistle
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please help! I am getting the following error and my HA Yellow is stuck rebooting over and over or just stuck at this point

2024-05-10 00:02:02.969 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/core/state: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer

I just want it to monitor my door sensors so I can go to sleep 😟

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so it appears rebooting it over and over eventually worked... but I think there's something very wrong

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it shouldn't just be non-responsive and require multiple reboots (with each reboot in between loading half the items and throwing errors)

wary pivot
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If you just updated the OS you can try to roll back. You need SSH access or need to use the USB-C serial console.
The command would be ha os update --version 12.2

river thistle
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@wary pivot you helped me reinstall from backup to fix this before... it appears to be back

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I am in USB-C serial console

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and I believe I rolled back when you helped me bring back the last backup

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I have since not even tried to update OS

wary pivot
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Some people seem to have boot problems with 12.3

river thistle
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it was stable for the last 4-5 days and now its having issues again

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I am on 12.2

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it appears to be up again fully... but I didn't even know it was down except that usually I get a message that says "Alarm Armed" when I go to sleep

austere jetty
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Hey all, looking for some quick assistance on my new HA Yellow, I bought a CM4 module from ameridroid (https://ameridroid.com/products/raspberry-pi-compute-module-4-cm4?variant=47989686075671) and it looks a bit different from the CM4 module on the HA Yellow instructional (https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/install-cm4/), the issue I am having is Step 4, placing the thermal pads onto the CM4. The square pad is obvious but the rectangular one on the left is a bit concerning because the CM4 board I got has another rectangular chip on the right side of the board that has a metal cap on it and seems to be the same height off the PCB as the square chip (whereas the black chip thats on the left and in the diagram on the install guide is lower. I dont want to fry a 115$ board, please help!

wary pivot
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The second metal capped thing is the WiFi/Bluetooth module. The one in the docs is one variant without (for which the Yellow has regulatory approval) - in that area you can see the spots where the module would be soldered on.

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Put the thermal pads on the same chips as shown in the docs

austere jetty
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Perf, will do, thanks for the context and guidance, much appreciated!

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huh, no thank you emoji in discord...

amber agate
dark swallow
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What’s the best way on Yellow to use both, Matter and Zigbee? (In a supported way, because multi protocol is still considered unstable/experimental)

mighty chasm
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I have been getting most of my house on zigbee, so I only have some fibaro smart plugs that are still rocking zwave. Now my aeotec got broken, so im wondering.

Is there an easy way to add zwave to yellow? or should I just get some new smart plugs (if so any recommendations?)

mighty chasm
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Oh that looks fancy. I see someone close by is selling a zooz 800. wondering if I just jump on that instead

amber agate
wary pivot
river thistle
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My HA has been crashing the last week. It'll be unreachable via app, nabucasa link, or local web browser. The error I am seeing repeatedly is:

2024-05-11 07:51:14.197 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Timeout on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/core/state.

Sometimes a hard reboot brings it back but it seems like it's only a matter of time before it crashes again. Any help is greatly appreciate!

wary pivot
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Are you using custom integrations?

river thistle
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I am, but I haven't added any as of late

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is there any easy way to disable those all without ruining my build just to test stability?

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or to see which one might be messing things up?

wary pivot
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But as of recent updates more are causing issues.
Look at the logs for warnings and errors.

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You can run HA in safe mode (it is in the advanced oftions of the restart menu).
That disables all custom integrations and cards.

river thistle
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I just did a hard reboot and I have been monitoring. It's taking forever to start

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(not normal)

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but the only error or warning I see so far is for a backup location (NAS)

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and warnings for Ring and Frigate add ons

river thistle
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can I roll back HA OS? I'm on 12.2 and I know 12.3 gave me a lot of issues so when I did a backup restore, I have not updated... but now I'm still running into issues

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The lag may have to do with HA Core as it's taking a long time

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2024-05-11 08:04:49.252 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.core] Start Home Assistant Core
2024-05-11 08:04:49.294 INFO (SyncWorker_5) [supervisor.docker.manager] Starting homeassistant
2024-05-11 08:04:49.566 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Wait until Home Assistant is ready
2024-05-11 08:04:57.498 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] Starting system evaluation with state startup
2024-05-11 08:04:57.498 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] System evaluation complete
2024-05-11 08:04:59.846 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Updated Home Assistant API token
2024-05-11 08:04:59.877 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Home Assistant Core state changed to NOT_RUNNING
2024-05-11 08:05:09.650 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Auth request from 'core_mosquitto' for 'mqtt-user'
2024-05-11 08:05:09.667 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Home Assistant not running, checking cache
2024-05-11 08:05:16.295 INFO (SyncWorker_6) [supervisor.docker.manager] Cleaning addon_core_zwave_js application
2024-05-11 08:05:17.047 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.addon] Starting Docker add-on homeassistant/aarch64-addon-zwave_js with version 0.5.0
2024-05-11 08:05:25.883 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.api.middleware.security] /host/info access from core_zwave_js
2024-05-11 08:10:31.384 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Auth request from 'core_mosquitto' for 'mqtt-user'
2024-05-11 08:10:31.393 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Home Assistant not running, checking cache
2024-05-11 08:15:37.321 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Auth request from 'core_mosquitto' for 'mqtt-user'
2024-05-11 08:15:37.334 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.auth] Home Assistant not running, checking cache

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(sorry that took up more space than I thought it would)

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I am trying to restart in safe mode and when I hit "restart" it just gives me the spinning wheel above and the normal pop up with options does not show

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I think I am still in boot up

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2024-05-11 08:20:01.997 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] No Home Assistant Core response, assuming a fatal startup error
2024-05-11 08:20:01.997 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.core] Can't start Home Assistant Core - rebuiling

lyric canyon