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tribal horizon
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damn they dropped the price on it now.

tribal horizon
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Ok, so I had to toss a non wifi cm4 in there and then it saw the zooz 800 module at /dev/ttyAMA0

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looks like wifi and bt screw with the gpio pins, but since I'm using this over poe I don't really need those.

wary pivot
calm herald
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After a SSD crash my built in ZigBee adapter does not run again- When I put the serial port as you describe i get a window asking for Port Speed (115200?) and Hardware or Software data flow. What ever I put in so far resulted in connection errors.

wary pivot
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Have you been using the Multiprotocol add-on?

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If yes, install and configure the Multiprotocol add-on and add ZHA after that using the "serial port" socket://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999 (if it isn't autodetected)

calm herald
wary pivot
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You configured the Multiprotocol add-on to use /dev/ttyAMA1, Baud 115200, hardware flow control on and it is running?

calm herald
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yes - is there a sepatate integrationI have to install to use the ad-on?

wary pivot
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Kind of - ZHA with the following settings:

Serial Device Path: Enter Manually
Radio Type: EZSP
Serial path: socket://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999

According to the documentation Port speed and flow control don't matter, but I would set those to 115200 and hardware flow control on.

calm herald
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On that way I still get a "connection failed"

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protocoll of the add-on all looks green

wary pivot
calm herald
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Thanyk you - I'll try

knotty hull
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Yellow delivered yesterday, migrated over with backup and my Zwave usb stick was picked up right away. Updated HASS from the interface and after reboot it's not seeing USB ports at all. Any ideas?

wary pivot
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What's the output of lsusb? And did you reboot the host or restart HA?

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Running that command in a terminal should show the following (or more if something is connected to a USB port):

# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1a40:0101

First thing is the root hub and the second one is the onboard USB hub.

green ledge
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Hm. How would I go about turning my Yellow into a primitive fileserver? I need staging area for winbox backups - a linux machine that would run syncthing and borgbackup, plus a sizeable (but slow) drive. I can set up a separate rbpi machine for this, but was wondering if I can fit this on the existing box :)

knotty hull
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@wary pivot I had restarted HA after an update, the restart automatically happened. However this morning I plugged power back in to the yellow to start messing with it again, and the ports are visible again

wary pivot
green ledge
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that's another option I guess

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the primary unknown is how well does HAOS handle extra storage

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I guess I'm used to just running things on my own, and here I need to negotiate boundaries with HA and its supervisor :>

wary pivot
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Well... as long as you have storage space left and you stick to a subdirectory of /media or /share

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And as long as your CPU usage isn't too high. Had some data corruption happening on high CPU loads.

green ledge
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oh, there's official syncthing integration, so that's half way there

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and some unofficial borg ones

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I can cook one up too, I guess

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...which reminds me that I've still haven't added telegraf to Yellow :D

knotty hull
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Docs say to disable the integrated ZHA if using Zigbee2MQTT - but I don't see it anywhere to disable... wondering it this is interfering with pairing

wary pivot
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If ZHA is showing in your integrations go to its 3-dot-menu and select "Disable".

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If it shows up for configuration select "Hide".

knotty hull
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nvm- i think it just isnt there since i restored a backup that wasn't using it

tribal horizon
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so far the zwave hat is working, I did switch to a non wifi cm4 after trying disabling bt in the boot config. I have 3 serial ports /dev/ttyAMA0-2

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I didn't want a bt dongle sticking out, my blue has the aeotec gen 5 on it.

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productDescription "800 Series Long Range GPIO Module"

coarse obsidian
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Hey folks, what exact image are people using to flash directly to nvme? Im in the cm lite boat and trying to rule out not booting due to the wrong image. tried multiple at this point and not seeing any success at boot.

wary pivot
coarse obsidian
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Thank you Jorg. Yeah USB didn't work so I'll try this image. Appreciate the help.

opaque summit
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.. says estimated 17th now, but .. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
edit: 4 hours later "This order is being processed."

dusk laurel
honest rover
shy saffron
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I wonder if the delays are due to waiting for more units or just the speed at which they are able to package and ship the stock they do have.

opaque summit
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Apparently my order was on hold, they just emailed me asking for more details - which the same guy asked for in a support ticket in November.. "Thanks for the information", no apologies or further explanations when i referred to the previous support ticket.

On the bright side they seem to be reaching out to people whose orders have been put on hold for mysterious reasons.

tribal horizon
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I ordered my december 21, 2021, got it yesterday. Poe version without cm4. I had a stack of those.

honest rover
honest rover
opaque summit
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I sincerely doubt Mouser is breaking a sweat at shipping 2000 extra units; but there was that one case of (cold) weather related delays.

wary pivot
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Back in October Crispie did the maths:
"~850 parcels within three weeks, this are about 50 per day or seven per hour. It appears there’s about one fte assigned to the task …" 🤣

opaque summit
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Given CS and Mousers individual track records - I'm willing to bet that is either CS making a mess of things - or just the service level CS is paying for. Mouser has never not done same day shippign with 2 days delivery to EU for me.

wary pivot
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CrowdSupply is owned by Mouser, so they are kind of responsible - one way or another

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But good for new buyers: other distributors are coming - one already announced

odd bramble
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I know I’m late to the party, but I ordered a PoE Yellow in late February. It said shipping March 03. Now it says the 17th.
Do I just need to wait another week, or should I be expecting one in the mail?

opaque summit
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If February '22 your odds are (probably) better than if February '23 - however there is no discernible pattern, some get a surprise delivery, others get shipping notifications - the rest quietly get a new shipping estimate when checking their order status online a couple of days past the previous estimate. The Nabu Casa people here can't say - but you could try asking CrowdSupply but I wouldnt hold my breath.

wary pivot
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I'd expect it to be shipped much later, @odd bramble . Many have ordered earlier and are still waiting.

tribal horizon
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I wish mouser was still in San Diego.

elfin fog
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Well, glad I popped in here. I was contemplating ordering this as I am just starting to learn and want to get into this / tinker, but, it looks like many are still waiting.

wary pivot
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Realistic shipping estimations aren't one of CrowdSupply's strengths.

odd bramble
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So I ordered it just a couple of weeks ago. What can I expect from running on an ordinary pi 4?

wary pivot
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@elfin fog Of you are from EU, you can place an order at raspberrypi.dk

elfin fog
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No, unfortunately not. I am in Canada.

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I've never even had a raspberrypi before - this is all new to me (though loving reading and exploring, so far). I liked the idea of supporting HA Yellow, but I may have to learn to put something together myself - which is fun in itself I'm sure 🙂

wary pivot
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@odd bramble basically the same as the Yellow (performance wise) - except built in Zigbee radio, maybe eMMC storage, NVMe storage option.

tribal horizon
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better choice than a pi is an odroid n2+

elfin fog
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Hmm... I'm just learning about RaspberryPi as is 😛

odd bramble
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@wary pivot , I have an Aeotec Z-wave radio, so I should see those devices, yes?

tribal horizon
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problem with the pi is the storage, it will kill an sdcard in short order. well maybe a few months if it's a busy system.

wary pivot
odd bramble
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👍

elfin fog
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Ok, this is good to know. I was eyeballing CM4 carrier boards which have nvme storage options

tribal horizon
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that would be the way to go.

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waveshare I think is the one I have, works fine.

elfin fog
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Which, I believe, is what the HA Yellow has with the board, correct? That was what I noticed when first going over it.

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I saw waveshare (I believe that is the name), also so... tofu, I think was the name.

tribal horizon
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it has nvme

elfin fog
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Not sure how easy the tofu is to get hands on in Canada.

opaque summit
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does usb z-wave also need the usb extension cable? if so don't forget to get one. usb zigbee will more likely than not need it.

wary pivot
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CM4s are most likely the hardest to get

elfin fog
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@wary pivot Also good to know. Thanks for the heads up... may start figuring out what I want and put in orders ASAP

wary pivot
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The easiest way to find CM4s

elfin fog
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Thank you for that! Little disheartening the 'In Stock' is all just No. But fun fun. It's like when I built my PC over the pandemic all over again

wary pivot
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I'd go for one with enough RAM and - if the HA Yellow is something for you - choose a kit variant without CM4. The sets with CM4 haven't much RAM and are likely shipping later.

opaque summit
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I ordered some 4gb ones from DigiKey today, will have to use existing 2gb ones for a while. While DigiKey doesnt have stock they allow backordering of some models.

elfin fog
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Ya, need to hunt for a location that allows backorders. Looks like the two Canadian spots I'm aware of do not.

wary pivot
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@elfin fog You can register for a notification email from pishop.ca, when your preferred CM4 variant(s) is/are available again

elfin fog
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JUST noticed that as you wrote that message. Not sure how often it comes in, but I'll add the CM4008032 onto notification email. Thanks for that!

wary pivot
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I was lucky, as a shop from Germany had CM4s in stock quite often. But meanwhile they aren't shipping internationally anymore.

elfin fog
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Definitely a little envious, but, I'm in no rush. I have to learn about HA anyways. And find what little tinkers I want to work with. I just finished running cat6a wire through my house and setup my unifi stuff. This will be an enjoyable next project.

wary pivot
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Smart Home is a rabbithole 🤣

elfin fog
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LOL, can't be any more than my Jeep is 😉

tribal horizon
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I'll raise you 2 jeeps and toss in a miata.

elfin fog
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Oof. Apparently you're made of money! 😛 I am pulling the front axle on my Jeep this spring and doing a fairly extensive re-build and frame clean up. Also installing a dual battery setup (genesis) and upgrading the power cables throughout the engine bay. But right now... even with a garage, it's too damn cold out.

wary pivot
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Too cold? And you call yourself Canadian? 😝😆

tribal horizon
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we have a 2021 JLUR XR and a 1995 XJ sport.

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weather has sucked lately, only getting up to mid 60's during the day in into the 40's at night.

elfin fog
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Hahaha, it IS toooo cold! 😛 Canadian or not, I have a limit when it comes to working on vehicles. I mean, having a seized bolt give and result in a smashed thumb in the SUMMER hurts, I cannot even imagine in -10 😛

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Nice! I have a 2015 JKUR, definitely enjoy it. We have a LOT of JLs getting stolen around here. Definitely not ideal for them.

tribal horizon
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grew up in Iowa, -20 with -70 wind chill was common.

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yeah, if a jeep gets stolen here, it ends up in TJ before you know it's stolen.

elfin fog
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Ya, all of it is not ideal for working on a vehicle. Also, it is my daily driver. Need the weather to warm up so I can use the motorcycle while tinkeriing.

tribal horizon
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heh, commuter is a 2009 SV650.

elfin fog
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Nice! I grabbed a 2021 Honda Rebel 1100 when I got back from being deployed. Changed up from having an R6.

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I'm getting older, decided to be nice to my back 😉 Up here in Canada the cold is breaking me 😛

tribal horizon
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yeah, this is an S so it's got teh clipons, leaning towards selling it and finding a clean MT07 or adventure bike.

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my buddy owns the bmw motorcycle dealership in san diego and keeps trying to sell me one.

elfin fog
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If I was taller than 5'6" on a good day, I could handle an adventure bike. I like being able to touch the ground at the stop light!

tribal horizon
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6'2" here

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socal traffic is terrible, but we can split lanes, so I've been doing that for 36 years now.

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heh, can't math. 87 when I got my first street bike.

elfin fog
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That would be unique - we cannot lane split in Canada, anywhere, that I am aware of.

tribal horizon
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saves gas and it's safer.

worn grove
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I'm US based but have a friend that lives in Germany. Does anyone know if Berrybase.de would allow me to buy a CM4 with my US credit card, but have it delivered in Germany to my friend so he can re-ship to me?

tribal horizon
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I'd see if your friend could just order it. Is he military? If so he can ship APO/FPO and it's normal us postal rates from NY.

keen parcel
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added a 50mm fan to my yellow, dropped the cpu temp by 20C

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I'm 5 degrees above ambient now

shy saffron
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Is the included heat sink sufficient for an average Home Assistant instance?

keen parcel
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depends where you are I suppose

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we've had a lot of 35C days recently

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when I run my esphome updates, the CPU spikes to nearly 80C

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at that point throttling kicks in

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the yellow is a sealed box that doesn't radiate heat very effectively

shy saffron
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Any other options for a CM4 + NVME worth considering instead of the Yellow?

elfin fog
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I'm curious about this as well. @shy saffron , I was eyeballing the Tofu CM4 carrier board, but I am JUST learning, so that might not actually be comparable.

elfin fog
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Hmm... given that it looks like getting a CM4 is going to be very difficult, I'm leaning towards an Intel NUC now.

wary pivot
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That's also a good choice. Except the dongle gore. 😆

elfin fog
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LOL, I'd have the same situ with a non-HA Yellow board anyways 😉

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Just trying to figure out which NUC I should grab. I intend to use it only for HA.

opaque summit
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if you're windows based the vpro (amt) nuc's provide a management interface (there is some linux/mac support, but when i tried them they were more meh than the windows alternative)

elfin fog
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Hmm, NUCs aren't exactly cheap, but definitely available. Also, looks like they have a LOT of stuff I don't actually need. Still, it is a good option and I am just starting to look around 🙂

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I may still order a HA Yellow and have it for when things become more available. Seems like something enjoyable to play with.

dusk laurel
honest rover
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List of various CPUs and common models that exceed the power of a pi4 at similar energy usage

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Hardware costs $50-100

honest rover
elfin fog
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I'll have to look into that.

honest rover
native verge
honest rover
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I would hope it would be better for $250 lol

still tendon
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Probably be waiting. I ordered mine in october, with initial date in Jan, the 2 push backs in Feb, now on the 3rd date in March already. All without any info really from anyone. Even the numbers of the units moving don't really mean anything without knowing your position in the queue.

obsidian heart
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Mine came in the mail today! But I'm too busy to play with my new toys :(((

worn grove
wary pivot
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Not anymore

worn grove
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wow those 200 went fast! I got my order confirmed.

keen parcel
wary pivot
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Did you cut the casing open or did you find a solution with those 2 vent holes?

keen parcel
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I printed a new one

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The design files are on the yellow website

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Once I’m happy with the design, I had planned to laser cut the original enclosure. But I’m not sure I’ll do that anymore.

worn grove
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My PoE Yellow may ship in a week. Got my CM4 coming too, and I have a 'validated' Samsung NVMe drive for it. Any other mods or tweaks that I need to be aware of? Case venting doesn't look to great...and no fan?

keen parcel
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The yellow case is an oven

worn grove
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Ya looks like it...any easy/off the shelf mods to keep it cool?

keen parcel
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Do you have a 3d printer?

worn grove
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nope I'm not that cool

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Although I probably have a friend that might have one

worn grove
elfin fog
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GaaaaahA

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Envious!

keen parcel
worn grove
keen parcel
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Ah well I can’t ship one to you then

worn grove
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Do you have the 3D plans? I can probaby find a friend to print it.

keen parcel
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Yeah I can do that

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I have two variants, passive cooling and active cooling

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The latter I’m still refining

worn grove
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I'd prefer active, TBH. Have active on my existing RPIi4s.

timid mesa
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yay, my yellow finally arrived! but it won't power up and the FAQ didn't help.. anyone else having this issue?

wary pivot
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What version did you get and is the CM4 properly mounted?

leaden frost
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Bleh, mine has slipped to Mar 17th

leaden frost
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It's literally impossible that they're making a conscious effort in these date estimations

honest rover
odd bramble
leaden frost
wary pivot
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

compact quartz
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@timid mesa no lights at all? You should check that the CM4 is fully seated which might involve removing the heat sink.

hushed lion
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Why does the Yellow only come with a 2GB compute module? My current installation is already using more than that

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16 gb emmc also seem a bit low

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given the price at least

deep snow
hushed lion
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Yeah I know

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I will rather get another Rock 5b for it maybe when they are available again.

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Don’t know what advantage the yellow has apart from the preinstalled Zigbee module

deep snow
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I’d say testing. This is what A Lot people will be running so it will get the most test coverage and you’ll be less likely to find corner cases unique to your DIY setup.

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But nothing wrong with doing it yourself either.

worn grove
hushed lion
hushed lion
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Maybe the Rock 5b is also overkill for running HA

calm herald
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Hello
I had issues with system crashes for some time. Meanwhile I found that the Pi-CPU-temperature is most of the time in a range between 60 and 70 °C at an average load of 50%. Removing the case cover reduces the temperature below 50°C.
Can the heat be the problem of my crashes?
Does anybody have similar hot temperatures in the system?

dreamy spruceBOT
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@vagrant tiger I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
wary pivot
# calm herald Hello I had issues with system crashes for some time. Meanwhile I found that the...

If the CM4 get's too hot, the CPU starts to throttle down. If the PoE temperature problem is really solved, temperature shouldn't crash it. But I've observed, that the file system gets corrupted easyly on high CPU loads, which results in crashes.
When I used the motionEye add-on CPU load was over 50% and temperature at about 60°C. After removing it, CPU load is down to 8% and temperature at about 47°C

graceful zealot
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@vagrant tiger if you're wanting support with yellow try #yellow-archived there is no support in this channel

wary pivot
vagrant tiger
graceful zealot
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Oh god

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I am asleep

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What on earth

graceful zealot
vagrant tiger
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it's all good. I totally believed you.

graceful zealot
vagrant tiger
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Me neither, coffee making....

graceful zealot
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Its 11:55pm here, so more like sleep time here

vagrant tiger
graceful zealot
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I thought I had clicked on off topic, and was confused why someone asked for support, then realise there is support because it is yellow

vagrant tiger
graceful zealot
vagrant tiger
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I did see the whole boot log. And it seems to be a eMMC issue - if it were a Rasp Pi with a removable SD, I would try another, but not sure the best way forward with the eMMC built in. I could do a reinstall, but would love to try less sever steps before nuke and pave options if possible...

vagrant tiger
wary pivot
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Blue and red button method and the USB installer stick. If the eMMC error persists it might be a hardware issue.

vagrant tiger
# wary pivot Blue and red button method and the USB installer stick. If the eMMC error persis...

Jorg, thanks That is what I was thinking in terms of levels of intervention,: 1. Red button Factory Reset - assume this just wipes any configuration, of which I have none. 2. Red+Blue Button Reinstall HA using USB - looks like this is possible as of HA 8.5: https://yellow.home-assistant.io/faq/#can-i-reinstall-home-assistant-os-again-using-the-usb-flash-drive-with-the-home-assistant-os-installer-for-yellow. The other thing I was considering is to install an NVMe and install HA there instead; not sure how to force the CM4 to ignore the eMMC though, need to investigate that.

wary pivot
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I'd prefer a RMA over tinkering around broken hardware (if it is).

vagrant tiger
calm herald
wary pivot
calm herald
vagrant tiger
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Well, 🤦‍♂️ . The Red-button factory reset seemed to solve it. As quick review, I was seeing what looked like eMMC failures: [ 8.956840] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p8): VFS: Found ext4 filesystem with invalid superblock checksum. Run e2fsck? . But must be a configuration problem, as holding down the Red button while powering up seems to have solved it. I will report more after additional tests

wary pivot
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Every error disappearing is a good error 😆

vagrant tiger
timid mesa
timid mesa
compact quartz
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Do you have a regular power supply?

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Or has all this been attempts with PoE

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Also are these all previously unused CM4s?

timid mesa
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Just tried with PoE. I may have a different power supply. I couldn’t easily find what I would need. I saw 12v but what amp?

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One unused and one is known working with OpenWRT running

compact quartz
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12v 2A I think but I can check

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Stick to the unused. If the other has OpenWRT on it it would need to be cleared. What variant is the unused?

timid mesa
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Thank you!

amber agate
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I have a n00b question.. if i have a Yellow do i still need to the Skyconnect?

timid mesa
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It’s the 8gb ram 16 emmc, no WiFi

amber agate
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i saw the option in the hardware before plugging it in.. but was not sure if that was a place holder or if it was the real deal

compact quartz
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@timid mesa yeah it's 12v 2A. And when I went to go check my dog ate l half my sandwich

amber agate
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thank you!... wonder why i got the skyconnect too.. i dont remember ordering it. it got here about a week before the yellow did.

compact quartz
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Bad dog

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@timid mesa so I would try a compatible power supply and the unused CM4 and see if there are any lights. Red power at least, to rule out PoE

timid mesa
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Oh no!! Bad dog!

compact quartz
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It was actually half of a half. I should not have left it where she could get it lol

honest rover
dusky hollow
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I have finalized the migration from Zipato to my new yellow received a few weeks ago!. Migrating 62 Fibaro Zwave devices (the painful part!) and tens of automations. New to HomeAssistant. Everything seems to be working great!. Thanks!!!

keen parcel
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there is no support in this channel 😂

wary pivot
honest rover
sleek cloak
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Hello together... is there a way to reset config.txt to factory defaults? I was modifing the file and now I am unable to login via the serial console

opaque summit
sleek cloak
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Can it be that if you are using
dtparam=i2c_arm=on dtoverlay=miniuart-bt dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod
... that then the onboard Zigbee Interface is disabled? I can only chose to either have Zigbee or my Homematic RF interface 😦

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According to the hardware documentation, the Zigbee Chip is connected to the CM4 via the UART interface…

opaque summit
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cm4/pi4 has a bunch of uarts, and zigbee is on uart4 iirc.

deep snow
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Is there a STP file floating around anywhere of the Yellow?
I'm not looking for an explodable model or anything, just an outershell with the ports would be great.

wary pivot
wary pivot
sleek cloak
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Uncomment this to enable GPIO support for RPI-RF-MOD/HM-MOD-RPI-PCB

#dtparam=i2c_arm=on
#dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod

wary pivot
sleek cloak
wary pivot
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It's using the same GPIO pins as my Z-Wave HAT - and that's working out of the box.
Just to be sure... have you got a preinstalled Yellow set or have you installed HAOS with the recommended USB installer stick?
Background: the HAOS image for RPi doesn't have the tweaks necessary for the GPIO pins, the HAOS image for Yellow has.

sleek cloak
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AFAIK I did not use anything preinstalled as I am using a M2 SSD and wanted to have the OS and everything on this SSD. I flashed with a USB stick as it was mentioned in the getting started guide

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Under System->Hardware it is also displayed as Home-Assistant Yellow

wary pivot
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My only idea left would be to try

dtparam=i2c_arm=on
dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod

in your config.txt or just
dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod

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As HAOS for Yellow already has some UART modifications.

sleek cloak
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I already tried

dtparam=i2c_arm=on
dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod
but I can try to use only rpi-rf-mod

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I just tried it. Sadly this also disables the internal Zigbee connection, same error: "No such file or directory: '/dev/ttyAMA1'

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Also the HM_MOD_RPI_PCB is not detected if only 'dtoverlay=rpi-rf-mod' is uncommented

wary pivot
shut cedar
sleek cloak
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The RF Module works flawlessly by itself. But if it works, then the Zigbee internal radio is disabled. If Zigbee works, the Homematic module does not work....

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Only one of the two work at a time 😦

shut cedar
sleek cloak
shut cedar
sleek cloak
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Sure, I will try to create an issue today evenening

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I wanted to first try everything to make sure that it is not just my stupid mistake

sleek cloak
opaque summit
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Your Crowd Supply order (1367xx) has shipped!
5x PoE on their way to me/family. 🥳
(Ordered Jan '22, latest estimate was March 17th)

honest rover
latent fern
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as long as it's not a reseller

opaque summit
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Nah, just a bunch of brothers, cheaper to place one big order with freight forwarder than individual orders. If I wanted to get into scalping I'd flog the CM4s..

honest rover
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Brothers in ARMv8s

vagrant tiger
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I was able to get one Aqara Door Sensor to pair with my HAY. Second one never shows up, ditto my Aqara P1 Motion sensors. New batteries in all, and blue led blinks happily on the sensors when I hold them down for the required seconds. Anyone run into this?

wary pivot
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I have 9 Aqara Door sensors, 2 Aqara leak sensors and 5 Aqara climate sensors running, but no Aqara motion sensors. No problems yet.

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Are those sensors far away from your HA Yellow? If I remember correctly, Aqara is a bit special with routing. They don't use new Zigbee routes, if the signal is too weak. It might be working better, if you pair them to the nearest router directly.

vagrant tiger
wary pivot
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2.5 meters shouldn't be a/the problem.

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In my setup, I had the least problems with my Aqara stuff.

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IKEA TRÅDFRI is causing my headaches most times. 😆

vagrant tiger
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I just moved it a meter closer and it worked 🤣

crude egret
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I have recently struggled to pair Aqara sensors, so I changed the firmware on the Zigbee radio to NabuCasa_Yellow_EZSP_v7.2.2.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl. I then did a full factory reset of home assistant and it still can not add the devices. I did get this error in the log.

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Logger: bellows.ezsp Source: components/zha/radio_manager:py:138. Protocol version 11 is not supported, using version 10 instead.

calm herald
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I had some issues with a Samsung 980 Pro SSD which finally died. Meanwhile I found that these SSDs have a general durability issue that has to be cured by a FW-update. My new SSD is same type but I have not found any way to update the FW. Putting the HASS-installed SSD in a USB adapter does not make it available not under Windows nor Linux.

wary pivot
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On Windows you need to run Samsung's program "Samsung Magician Software". Partitions formatted with Linux file systems don't show up in Windows as driveletters - so that's normal.

dusk vortex
crude egret
dusk vortex
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Any firmware is fine. Battery reporting on Aqara sensors is unreliable, there's no way to accurately measure it. They will report 80%-100% for their entire lifespan and then just stop working.

crude egret
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Right have 8 so let me try all and see if I get the same issue.

calm herald
wary pivot
crude egret
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All 8 tired and still nothing. Tied with a new battery with a 2029 expiry on it. I have also moved the device to another room via Ethernet where there is no router to anything else which could affect it

calm herald
wary pivot
warped igloo
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I'm having a difficult time getting Zigbee to work on my Yellow. When installing ZHA (yes, I used /dev/ttyAMA1 , 115200, and HW flow control) I get an error "Failed to connect"
I have verified the CM4 is seated properly.
Any other ideas?

wary pivot
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Have you been using the Multiprotocol add-on before?

warped igloo
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no, my zigbee devices were running from Smarthings. I'm not migrating, I'm going to start from scratch on the yellow.

wary pivot
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Okay. Have you altered any settings in the config.txt?

warped igloo
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not directly. Did move my data to NVM

wary pivot
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And did you have a look at disabled/hidden integrations?

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Ignored and disabled

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Maybe it is already set up.

warped igloo
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There are a few ignored, printers, NAS, bluetooth nothing related to ZHA

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None disabled

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Just out of curiosity, shoudn't I see something listed in "All Hardware" on ttyAMA1

dusk vortex
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Do you have any addons installed?

warped igloo
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Samba Share, SSH & Web Terminal, Studio Code Server
That's all

wary pivot
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And you haven't done any settings regarding the GPIO pins...
Have you tried to reboot the host (not just to restart HA)?

warped igloo
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No settings re GPIO
Rebooted multiple time, both with the software option System>Settings>Hardware>power button icon>advanced Options>Reboot System

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Also powered down a couple times

dusk vortex
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I'd give it a complete physical power cycle to be sure and unplug the power if possible.

As far as I can tell, nothing should be preventing you from communicating with the Yellow's radio. Since you have the SSH addon installed, are you able to enter the Home Assistant Core Docker container? If so, download https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/raw/main/EmberZNet/beta/NabuCasa_Yellow_EZSP_v7.2.2.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl onto the Yellow, install the flasher with pip install universal-silabs-flasher, and run the command to re-flash the Zigbee firmware: https://github.com/NabuCasa/universal-silabs-flasher#yellow (with -vvv for debug output).

warped igloo
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I actually made an attempt at flashing the firmware, but got errors.

pip install "silabs-flasher[gpio]"

curl -O https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/raw/main/EmberZNet/NabuCasa_Yellow_EZSP_v7.2.2.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl
silabs-flasher --device=/dev/ttyAMA1 flash --cm4-gpio-reset --firmware NabuCasa_Yellow_EZSP_v7.2.2.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl```
dusk vortex
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Try the above package with debug logging. If you still get an error, could you upload the full command output somewhere or PM me the log?

wary pivot
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And does ls /dev | grep ttyAMA give any output? If there isn't anything, the flasher can't work.

warped igloo
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I just tried that, but got an error that there is "no such option"

dusk vortex
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Ah, my bad. Run it like so: universal-silabs-flasher -vvv --device ...

warped igloo
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only ttyAMA0

dusk vortex
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So you have no /dev/ttyAMA1? Are you running HA OS?

warped igloo
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correct

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I believe, it's been a few weeks I choose the yellow specific install image for the usb

wary pivot
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One thing from my side left... when you installed HAOS, have you used the installer USB stick, flashed the HAOS RPi image or flashed the HAOS Yellow image? The RPi image wouldn't show the radio.

warped igloo
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Yellow I believe

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but that makes sense.

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Can I reflash with the Yellow image without reconfiguring? Or would I need to backup and restore HA?

wary pivot
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If you go to Settings - System - Hardware, does it say Raspberry Pi or Home Assistant Yellow?

warped igloo
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Oh god, RPi4

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well that explains it

wary pivot
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That's the culprit

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Wrong image used.

warped igloo
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yup. So can I restore an HA backup after I reflash the HAOS?

wary pivot
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Yes.

warped igloo
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I assume I would have to move the data disk to NMV again?

wary pivot
warped igloo
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Just to be sure I'm following:

  1. Full Backup of HA
  2. Factory reset Yellow
  3. Setup usb with the right image (Yellow)
  4. Flash the Yellow via USB
  5. Restore the backup
  6. Migrate data to NMV
wary pivot
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The NVMe needs to be wiped, if I remember correctly, to be available for migration again.

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Wiped as partitions deleted.

warped igloo
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I hate to ask a (another) stupid question, but I'm not a Linux guy. How would I wipe the NVMe?

wary pivot
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Easiest way would be a USB/NVMe adapter and use Windows' drive management.

warped igloo
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got it

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That would have to be after step 2 above?

wary pivot
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Another way would be the serial console of the Yellow and use Linux' terminal commands.

honest rover
warped igloo
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In that case it could wait until after step 5 above

wary pivot
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Yes, but after removal of all partitions the host needs to be rebooted.

warped igloo
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got it

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@wary pivot thank you very much for the patience and assistance. Can't believe I blew it from first install. I was actually pretty focused on getting the right image. Clearly didn't though.

wary pivot
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You are welcome

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To be able to remove partitions on the NVMe with fdisk, you need to access it on OS level (by using the serial console or the OS debug SSH). If you just use a terminal add-on, you'll propably get the error "can't open /dev/nvme0n1"

honest rover
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Who knows, with a little bit of SSH here fdisk there, sprinkle in some vi and before you know it, you’ll be bragging to everyone you know that you use Arch btw

lucid raven
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Linux ❤️

hidden garnet
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I'm running HAOS on a RPi 3b and I have a Yellow on the way. My install includes a couple USB devices (I believe these are configured using the id path vs the tty path) and a GPIO HAT (I'm certain this is configured using the id path). Is migration fairly straightforward? For instance, can I just attach everything and restore my most recent backup after I install the Yellow image? Do I even need to do that on a new delivery, or is it included?

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Also the question I actually came here to ask (the previous questions have been on my mind for a while, the new question drove me here): If I have an NVMe SSD ready to install, is the screw that holds it in place already included with the yellow, or do I need to make sure I have one of those as well?

shut cedar
shut cedar
hidden garnet
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Awesome, thanks for the help. I actually also have a custom integration that doesn't appear to be included in my full backups, but I think that delves away from #yellow-archived territory.

shut cedar
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Aren't those stored in the Core's config folder? I would think they are included. But yeah, not 100% sure.

hidden garnet
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You're right, they are, I didn't see it in the partial backup options, and then I checked the tarball, but I misjudged the structure of the containers inside. The custom_components folder inside of the config folder is included in the data folder of homeassistant.tar.gz but I was mistakenly expecting to see a custom_components.tar.gz based on the fact that there was no config.tar.gz

dreamy plume
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I seem to remember reading the device overlay tree for HA yellow is bespoke to the HAOS yellow images. Curious what the current roadmap is to release / publish this to aid wider distro support?

wary pivot
opaque summit
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would be neat if the pi people extended the hat id eeprom to allow say 0x54 be an id eeprom for cm4 carrier boards and still support 0x50 for any hats the user would add

hidden garnet
# shut cedar Generally, moving via backup restore should work and everything should continue ...

Follow-up for clarification here... Should my restore be partial with HomeAssistant unselected? Thinking here is otherwise the HomeAssistant Yellow install might be overwritten by the HomeAssistant RPi 3 install, but I'm not certain if that's how this works. If so, anything else that should be deselected? As an aside, FWIW, I think my HAT should work, made sure it was listed as compatible with Yellow before purchase.

wary pivot
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The backup just effects the HA core. The hardware dependant part is the OS, which is not backed up. You can also restore a x86 backup on a Pi without bigger problems.
So a full restore should be fine to go.

honest rover
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So, we getting shipment notifications today or?

wary pivot
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Or a new estimated shipping date

vast trellis
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so, i am having a hard to figuring out exactly what model CM4 is in the Yellow shipped to backers (non-PoE one). it has 16GB eMMC storage. but what about the memory / clock speed / etc? anyone know where i can grab the model?

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oh i guess there is only one CPU for these. and it has no WiFi, correct? so my guess is either SC0289 or SC0320 jut couldn't see where in settings or the page it showed the memory onboard

shut cedar
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It is the 2GB RAM, 16GB eMMC wihtout Wi-Fi version.

idle agate
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I got my yellow yesterday and now I am struggling to get the ssd working. Does anyone know if there are problems with 2TB SSDs?
I have a "WD Blue SN570" witch should be supported as mentioned in the yellow faq section.
And does the ssd has to be in a specific format? (i tried ext4)

wary pivot
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A single partition unformatted works.
Is HAOS installed on the eMMC or do you use a CM4 lite?
When you start it with an non-formatted partition, it isn't shown in Settings - System - Storage - 3-dot-menu - Move data disk?
And if you have a terminal add-on running - what is the output of ls /dev | grep nvme ?

idle agate
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The disk itself seems to be ok, i tried it on a pc

wary pivot
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Remove all partitions on the drive and try it again.

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Or create one partition, but do not format it.

idle agate
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there is only one partition, and now i tried it with fat. does not work either.

wary pivot
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Do not format it

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No FAT, no EXT4, no NTFS,...

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At least the 1TB version of the WD Blue SN570 has been reported to work.

sharp coral
wary pivot
idle agate
wary pivot
idle agate
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One question: The fact that it is a 2TB ssd should be no problem?

wary pivot
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Not a fact - just an assumption. The WD Blue SN570 1TB is confirmed working, the 2TB not yet. But it also hasn't been reported not to work.

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Some have used 2TB Samsung SSDs - size isn't the problem.

honest rover
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RIP estimated shipping date

still tendon
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Me too. I ordered in october. How about you?

spice pine
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I just ordered a few days ago on 3/12. When I ordered since the ship date was only a few days away, it didn't even occur to me that it might not ship. I'm off work all next week and I was really looking forward to learning HA next week 🙁

shy saffron
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Crowd Supply seem unwilling to provide any clarity. There is no indication of whether we will be waiting months, like some have already been, or if they have stock (imminently) and the dates keep slipping due to the velocity at which they are able to dispatch orders.

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If Crowd Supply are genuinely unaware of supply and demand they should not display a misleading "orders placed now" shipping date.

opaque summit
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Orders placed now ship Mar 17, 2023.
What is todays date?

shy saffron
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It's the uncertainty that is most frustrating. I would have no issue with Crowd Supply stating there are delays due to the volume of projects they are processing and/or staff shortages due to sickness/vacation. The lack of transparency makes me wonder if the "orders placed now" dates are deliberately inaccurate.

wary pivot
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Yeah. It would be more honest to label it:
"The next units are estimated to ship to the ones at the top of the cue on .... . If you order now, you will be put at the end of it - and we cannot tell at what part of the cue you are later."

still tendon
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Even if the messaging was just now shipping orders placed in January 2022, that would be something.

leaden frost
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Finally, shipping notification for my Yellow PoE!

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🎉🎉🎉

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Ordered Oct 2022, nothing else in the order, only the Yellow PoE kit

idle agate
wary pivot
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Have you tried to use it without formatting as we said?

idle agate
wary pivot
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It might be a new incompatible one. WD ones are kind of a gamble.

still tendon
hexed river
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I don't have much faith in he listed shipping dates. I took the estimated date from RaspberryPi.dk, which states "expected to ship beginning of April", as a guide. I'll set my expectations on maybe mid summer before I start to get irked...

hidden garnet
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I have an SK Hynix PC401 nvme salvaged from a laptop with a dead power supply. I secure erased it and put it in my Yellow, but the option to move datadisk says nothing exists. From a shell, I can't see any /dev/nv items, so I don't believe it is being detected. I tried removing and reseating it with no change in either behavior. Is this indicative of it being unsupported, and should I report that somewhere since it's not included in the Yellow FAQ page unsupported devices section?

wary pivot
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As the SK Hynix BC711 is incompatible, chances are high the SK Hynix PC401 is too - especially as it isn't shown as nvme item at all. You can report it as not working via email yellow@home-assistant.io . It might be helpful to include additional information (like size, id number,...).

spice pine
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I really thought my biggest issue would be getting the CM4, but I found one and it already got delivered. Can't do much with it without an io board though. I really thought my yellow kit would be on its way, but the 17th has passed and no updates

still tendon
nocturne shard
# spice pine I really thought my biggest issue would be getting the CM4, but I found one and ...

I ordered a standard kit (not POE) 28 Feb, seeing the lead-time as about a week (3rd March). Like you, I bought a CM4 in anticipation but it seems the dates published mean nothing. If I hadn't already got the CM4 (at an inflated price too), I'd be cancelling the yellow and going the used-NUC route, probably cheaper. Seeing someone else recently post here that their POE version was finally delivered from an October order, I'm not holding my breath. As others have said, a little more honesty / transparency from #Crowdsupply would be helpful. I wouldn't buy from them again under these circumstances.

shy saffron
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Hi Stefan/@thorny hornet, are you able to provide another update please?
https://www.crowdsupply.com/nabu-casa/home-assistant-yellow/updates
Do Crowd Supply/Mouser still have any of the last batch of 1,941 units to dispatch?
Did you have any success with this... We are aware that some shipping estimates have been wrong. We’re in contact with Crowd Supply to ensure that shipping estimates become something you can better rely on!

spice pine
# still tendon When did you order?

I know I came to the have pretty late. I just placed my order March 12. I thought with s shipping date listed of just 5 days away it should be pretty close. The fact that the site still says that is pretty disappointing and makes me think they aren't going to ship for a while

hazy oar
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I got my 10/15/22 PoE order on 3/18/23. Would order another if I knew it would ship soon-ish.

wary pivot
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I have ordered one on raspberrypi.dk to test their delivery estimations. My previous orders at that shop have all been satisfactory.

still tendon
idle agate
wary pivot
worn grove
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Looks like Samsung SSD 980 250GB should work with the Yellow? Was mentioned a few months ago on the HA forums as working. I assume no change for the negative?

tribal horizon
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a bit pricey for ha use.

honest rover
tribal horizon
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19.99 in january

opal musk
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Received my non-POE Yellow. When powered up, it makes a high-pitched whistling sound. Anyone else experience this?

opaque summit
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probably "just" coil whine; can be very subjective and not easy to say if its normal or not. maybe you could use one of the many free spectrum analyser apps to categorise and quantify it so the nabu casa people can chime in on it being normal or not.

opal musk
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Okay. I'll do this.

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If it is coil whine, is there anything I can do to eliminate it? It's surprisingly unpleasant.

#

A different power supply perhaps?

honest rover
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Coil whine from a Raspberry Pi? Wat

opaque summit
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The yellow will have a dc/dc converter wont it? or it could be the wall wart - some people are also a lot more sensitive to it than others. Hard to say without more data.

opal musk
opal musk
shy saffron
dusk laurel
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It seems that Crowd Supply does not even bother anymore to come up again with fake delivery dates. What a terrible customer experience... 🫤

honest rover
honest rover
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Actual footage at Mouser’s warehouse

sharp coral
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Sent an email about the shipping estimates
`Hello,

Thanks for reaching out! We are in the process of updating those shipping estimates. We are hopeful to have another restock here in the next few weeks as the item is currently on backorder.

We apologize for these delays!

Regards,
Tanner

Regards,

Crowd Supply Support
`

wary pivot
honest rover
wary pivot
honest rover
wary pivot
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But all joking aside. As frustrating the delays and lack of communication are, the Yellow will arrive eventually. It is no Kickstarter scam. I'd expect the customer experience to be better at the Danish shop. Reports of the experiences will follow.

opaque summit
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I hoped to start a trend of posting order date, partial order number and shipment date to help people get an idea; but apparently that didnt really catch on. But yeah, mine shipped last week so def no scam.

Your Crowd Supply order (1367xx) has shipped!
PoE on its way, Ordered Jan '22, shipped March '23.

onyx whale
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Does anyone know if there is an alternative to the RPi CM4 for the Yellow? I finally received my Yellow, but now the CM4s are completely out of stock and I doubt RPi will restock their inventory any time soon.

wary pivot
hazy oar
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In theory if you've got a working distro it should just be a matter of putting together a device tree overlay for the serial and i2c parts on the Yellow. I have no idea wtf I'm talking about but that doesn't sound too complicated.

wary pivot
sharp coral
onyx whale
lucid raven
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Poe, Sep 29 2022, shipped Jan 19 2023

honest rover
languid pulsar
hazy oar
still tendon
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Poe, oct 28 2022, shipped today (Mar 23 2023)

hazy oar
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I put another poe order in yesterday... for science.

Also tried USB booting on the soquartz but that doesn't work either (and, tbf, Pine only mentions SD booting for their carrier boards).

wary pivot
hazy oar
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Since that video... Radxa is still a mess while they focus on getting all their kernel updates into mainline, but Plebian seems viable for the soquartz. Unfortunately I didn't order an eMMC module with my soquartz so attempting to boot on Yellow is a non-starter 'til I get one.

hazy oar
opaque summit
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conflicting data, says 8g emmc further down in the listing?

hazy oar
opaque summit
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i guess we'll see.. and at least mouser is quick at shipping cm4, took all of 2.5 hours from order placed to order shipped. and they'll be here tomorrow or monday:)

latent fern
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For $1 million dollars, I'd expect quick shipping

keen parcel
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I’d expect it to spontaneously materialise in my hand

wary pivot
#

We still haven't seen the promised gold plated Home Assistant Yellow Gold Edition.

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Just a copper one.

hazy oar
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I want a top case with strings of LEDs to make the logo grow and glow.

keen parcel
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I settle for one that didn’t idle at 60 celcius

wary pivot
keen parcel
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Helium, cooler.

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I custom designed a new top case with a cooling tower to hold a 50mm fan

wary pivot
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Can you share a real life picture of it?

keen parcel
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As opposed to?

wary pivot
keen parcel
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I actually thought it was comically large already

honest rover
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Y’all need to think bigger

honest rover
worn grove
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@keen parcel Did you give any thought to making the Yellow case taller and putting the fan on the under side of the case lid for a cleaner look?

honest rover
keen parcel
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My K40 is… unpredictable.

honest rover
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120

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MM

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Fan

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🤌

keen parcel
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Someone should do this

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For the lols

honest rover
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Maybe I will, I’m fairly sure I have a spare

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Ooh yeah and it’s white. Sick

wary pivot
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No RGB lighting? Like an 120 mm RGB fan?

honest rover
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It’s a Lian li ST120 that I’ve got to spare

keen parcel
wary pivot
honest rover
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What would I need to connect a PWM fan to this thing? I assume a separate 12v power source, for starters?

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And what do I connect the RGB header to?

wary pivot
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Uh... you can get a USB RGB Tuya Zigbee controller... But I doubt it's compatible.

manic wren
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Guys I have a quick question. I just got my yellow Poe kit and need to order one of the hard to find boards. Had I known this was an issue I would have kept my eyes open months ago for one. Scalpers are nuts on these things. What size CM4 is most common and are there really any benefits to getting something as big as the 8gb/32 model?

manic wren
wary pivot
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If you intend to use a NVMe, the eMMC size doesn't really matter that much (even though the lite version causes some trouble sometimes). Regarding the RAM - the more you want to do with the Yellow, the more RAM you might need.

#

And Wifi/BT... it depends on what you want to do. The regulatory approval just covers the non Wifi/BT versions.

manic wren
#

Anyhow, I appreciate the insight

wary pivot
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I'm running a few add-ons and about 2 of 8 GB RAM are used. Going too low on RAM might be frustrating later.

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rpilocator.com and waiting lists with email notifications are your best friends

manic wren
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Fair enough. It’s not like I’m in a huge rush, I’m just impatient. I ordered the yellow in October and just got it like a week ago. Is what it is I guess. Thanks again

rose cosmos
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Sff PC can easily do far more ram if that's what you need.

honest rover
honest rover
worn grove
manic wren
worn grove
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Last week I got a 8GB RAM, 0 eMMC (lite), WiFi from another supplier. But they are on the RPi watch twitter bot and sold out of their 250 in <5 minutes

manic wren
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Wow, crazy

worn grove
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@manic wren On my 8GB RPi with HAOS, I'm only using 13% of my memory. And I have a couple of dozen extensions running. So IMHO I'd get the 4GB version ASAP, and get a 250GB NVMe.

manic wren
tribal horizon
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anyone order a yellow from crowd supply in the last week or so and get a shipping notification? Says "ships on March 17th" on the site, at least that's what it said yesterday.

languid pulsar
opaque moth
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My order from late November 2022 just shipped, although they shipped it to my billing address instead of my shipping address! 👍

shy saffron
shy saffron
nocturne shard
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While I wait for the Yellow delay (ordered standard kit 28 Feb), I put HAOS on an old PC and its running fine. Now, I'm planning to add Zigbee which means buying an extra dongle. If I had a better idea of when the Yellow will ship I could make a more informed decision about spending ££ on the 'temporary' system. Does Crowdsupply think that being honest about lead-times will reduce orders? I must be like many others who placed an order in good faith believing the posted lead time - about a week in my case. Payment has been taken under false pretences. Frustrated and disappointed!

wary pivot
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I don't even think it is a bad intention - they just don't care.

obsidian gazelle
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Yeah I found it super odd that they even sent out a Mission Accomplished press release and only a "few exceptions" were left behind and we're now getting TONS of stories of people finally getting their Yellows after waiting a very long time. I read that article and, assuming that their timelines were correct, ordered. I know the blame totally lies on Crowd Supply but this whole thing is just so annoying.

opaque summit
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I think that might differentiate between crowd funding and pre-orderers? Not everyone is on discord, at least if they don't have any problems they need help with?
(and yes its a 💩 show)

wary pivot
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The news on the CS project page are written by the Nabu Casa team - CrowdSupply doesn't publish news there. I'd expect the news and communication to shift to home-assistant.io and yellow.home-assistant.io in the medium term.

obsidian gazelle
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Fair enough! Apologies. Regardless, that press release still tripped a few of us up!

wary pivot
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To be fair - a complaint regarding the customs clearance has been solved. It needed some time, but hasn't been ignored. But proactive communication isn't their strength.

spice pine
# tribal horizon anyone order a yellow from crowd supply in the last week or so and get a shippin...

I ordered Match 12, but haven't gotten any notice of updated shipping yet. Based on comments here, I'm expecting a long wait. I had some time off scheduled and wanted to use it to tinker with HA, so I bought an IO board and ZigBee dongle to get set up. I was successful, but I couldn't get USB working with HAOS so I had to install HA as a container. It's working, but I spent 2 days getting to the point where the yellow would have had me after just plugging in my CM4 and flashing the OS

Edit: fixed typos

wary pivot
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Shipping dates are a gamble at moment (at least at CrowdSupply). They even have been for us crowdfunders. Shipping has not been in the timely order of backing the project - some later backers got it earlier. So it isn't really possible to calculate your place in the cue, based on reported shippings here.

summer arch
#

Pishop.ca just got some CM4 in stock, if someone is still looking for one...

wary pivot
tranquil stirrup
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Dang, I also placed an order thinking it would ship from 17 March 2023, turns out that isnt happening.

summer echo
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Hello guys! In HA dashboard, is there a way to access a Thread console to scan for devices? I'd like to connect my Eve Motion sensor but I cannot find the way to do it

dusk laurel
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Finally... Just got the shipping notification. Ordered 29th of December. 😌

jade fox
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I had big issues with pairing of aqara switches and door sensors. When i changed back to the deconz dongle, it went smooth again...

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Is the yellow's Zigbee really so interference sentitive?

shy saffron
dusk laurel
opaque summit
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Wow, my order was from January 2022 and shipped a week earlier, but they did contact me saying "We were alerted that your order has been placed on a hold" .. i guess it was on hold for a while before they found out..

opaque moth
shy saffron
summer echo
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Why doesn't the Yellow have Bluetooth? Or am I wrong?

wary pivot
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Because certifying more than one radio would have been much harder. It can have BT if you choose a CM4 with Wifi - but the regulatory approval doesn't cover that.

wary pivot
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I'm using a HA Yellow PoE with a Wifi-variant CM4 and am trying to use Frigate with a Coral USB accelerator. After a few detections USB communication errors occur and Frigate shuts down. I've tried several USB cables in various lengths and an active USB hub without success. Has anyone been successful to get the Coral USB running reliably with the Yellow?

worn grove
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I have a Yellow on order, but I am shocked that it's missing: 1) Fan. 2) External antennas. The Hubitat C7 didn't have any antennas, and z-wave/zigbee range was terrible. The C8 got dual antennas and the range for z-wave/zigbee was massively improved, and now a high percentage of devices directly connect to the hub vs. hoping through a mesh. Seems like two big oversights in the Yellow.

wary pivot
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I can get it, that some would like to have those things - but how are they shocking? One look at the product page shows me no external antennas. And a fan is more a workaround than a feature in my opinion. 🤔

opaque summit
compact quartz
wary pivot
pastel rune
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Hi guys just wondering why i cant find a ready home assistant yellow out the box on the website? I saw a video on youtube and he had an option to buy the completed kit

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In the crowd space website

hazy oar
ebon sentinel
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heyo. my Yellow arrived a week ago and I managed to secure a CM4 which just came today. I installed it and the heat sink and plugged it in (PoE version) and it lights up but doesn’t seem to communicate with the network according to my switch, so it doesn’t have an IP, any tips? I was gonna plug in a monitor and check what’s happening but there’s no monitor plug so I’m out of my depth haha.

ebon sentinel
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LEDs are: red and green are on, and yellow off (I haven’t seen yellow at all yet)

hazy oar
pastel rune
ebon sentinel
ebon sentinel
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I'm stupid. thanks folks

worn grove
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I ordered a PoE yellow a couple of weeks ago and just this morning I got this update: We are hopeful to have another restock here in the next few weeks as the item is currently on backorder.

hazy oar
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Haven't gotten an email but my order says 3/31 now.

shy saffron
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Today the Crowd Supply "estimated to ship" date has changed to Mar 31, 2023 (previously 17th) for my early Feb order. The original estimated to ship date was 3rd Mar.

The estimated date for new orders is also showing the 31st March, which makes me suspect it's another falsehood.

The lack of communication is testing my patience. Even if the availability of Yellow units is out of their control, they really should be notifying customers by email when they amend an "estimated to ship" date.

earnest tiger
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Took delivery of my HA Yellow PoE today, followed the guide to get it up and running, but it apparently won't boot - it stays with a solid red LED and never progresses. My TP-Link PoE+ switch shows that it's supplying power but it never establishes a network connection (2nd LED remains off). It's a 4GB RAM CM4 with 32GB eMMC, with WiFi and BT.

I've tried:

  • Re-flashing the USB stick with the bootable image
  • Trying a different USB stick
  • Resetting eMMC on boot (holding blue + red buttons down for 15s)
  • Factory reset (red button for 5s at boot)
  • Hooking up USB Serial (no output at all)
  • Using rpiboot to flash the eMMC directly (with both the installer and HAOS)

Using the last method with rpiboot while it's in USB mode, it does establish a network connection (the "active" LEDs on the RJ45 socket on the Yellow and my switch light up alongside the PoE light on the switch).

I've also tried powering it with a 12V barrel jack instead of PoE.

Is my HA Yellow DoA? Or perhaps my CM4? How do I tell which? I have a support case open with Nabu Casa at the moment, but headed here to see if anyone can offer some insight

earnest tiger
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Took delivery of my HA Yellow PoE today

dusk orchid
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this is embarassing . im trying to use the yellow's usb-c port to flash a esphome board. the docs say the usb-c port has 2 modes. do any of these 2. work for communicating with esp32 boards?

compact quartz
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The usb c port is only used for the serial console

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You would use the usb a ports

dusk orchid
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aye aye thanks

tribal horizon
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@earnest tiger when did you order it? I think my buddy just got hosed.

hexed river
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I got the following from Crowdsupply. "Thanks for reaching out! We are in the process of updating those shipping estimates. We are hopeful to have another restock here in the next few weeks as the item is currently on backorder. We apologize for these delays". So, I won't be holding my breath...

shy saffron
hexed river
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Yup, it appears that way. So, there's essentially no concrete information on future deliveries 😕

shy saffron
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Fingers crossed the Nabu Casa team provide another update soon. Last one was 22nd February. Not sure if Stefan Angers is on this Discord server. I did try cheekily pinging Zack Barett who has previously authored updates on the Crowd Supply site. I don't know how the logistics work, how involved are Nabu Casa? Or is it all Mouser/Crown Supply?

wary pivot
shy saffron
wary pivot
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They do ship to UK, but haven't shipped preorders yet. So there is no guarantee they will get the Yellows on time and how many are served before you are in cue.
They have a good track record of other orders I placed at their shop - so I'm slightly optimistic.

ivory pagoda
shy saffron
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Hi Uwe. Thanks for the info.
How close is the relationship between Mouser and Crowd Supply, with respect of CS saying something is on back order, is it worth us trying to ask for more info from Mouser?

At what point would you suggest it's worth cancelling the order with Crowd Supply and getting in the queue with a more local reseller? Are those local resellers like to get more priority on the manufacturer units or will outstanding (pre)orders with Crowd Supply take priority?

ivory pagoda
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The apparent issue is CM4's and just like everybody else, NC is suffering from not only not having CM4's, but also from having no clue when we get which amount. It's annoying and leads to the fact that we stopped making any sort of promises! Besides CM4's we also struggle with other chip shortage issues, so we are indeed slow in terms of delivery!

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We're in constant discussion with Mouser on the delivery dates they announce (sometimes before even placing an order with us), but we also have little overview about what orders they actually have on their end (actually this might have changed this very morning, I'll have to have a closer look, but it looks promising).

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The big difference - and I hope you will be able to confirm somewhat soonish - is that raspberrypi.dk does not overpromise! They took preorders when devices where being shipped and they will not allow preorders when current stock is gone and next devices are on their way.
Accordingly, I'm tempted to say, feel free to cancel when you could place an order with raspberrypi.dk

wary pivot
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It's €158.68 for a PoE to UK at raspberrypi.dk - but keep in mind possible UK import fees on top.

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They expected shipping end of March when I placed my test order. Now it's showing begin of April on their page but no further notification by email. We will see what happens. 😆

shy saffron
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I was fortunate to live close enough to the official Pi store to purchase a CM4 over the counter. My Crowd Supply order for Yellow PoE was £155.19 ($186)
From raspberrypi.dk I would be looking at £140 based on today's credit card exchange rate but, as you say, likely have to pay duty/fees on top.

ivory pagoda
wary pivot
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The best NC distributor (SkyConnect) communication wise I had to do with was m.nu. They had a software problem which cancelled preorders. They proactively contacted me and assured they would put me back to my original place in the preorder cue if I would place a new order in their system. That was quite an impressive level of service. Things can happen, but their way of dealing with it was top notch.

ivory pagoda
shy saffron
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🤞 for Pimoroni or ThePiHut

wary pivot
earnest tiger
honest rover
wary pivot
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I think so. Some already got a device with a JP2 button instead of a JP2 jumper.

earnest tiger
wary pivot
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So I suppose following units from CrowdSupply will be that new PCB revision too, if they haven't any older ones left.
It would be plausible, if raspberrypi.dk also receives the new PCBs with their first shipment - at least I hope so. 😆

sharp coral
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Poe shipped today for uk, ordered 22nd Jan

ivory pagoda
sharp coral
silk laurel
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Shipped yesterday notification email today from Crowd Supply. POE Version ordered 15th Jan 23.

manic wren
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Got my CM4 from Mouser today, the migration and setup of yellow was literally flawless. Not a single issue to report.

hazy oar
manic wren
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Order was placed March 23rd

hazy oar
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I got that janky UPS -> USPS shipping but neither tracking shows it picked up.

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Only ordered to find out if it was real 🤷‍♂️

opaque summit
manic wren
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I’d send a photo, but apparently I can’t in this server?

wary pivot
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You can upload it to imgbb.com for example and post the link here.

manic wren
honest rover
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Woo i got my shipping confirmation. ETA tomorrow

ebon sentinel
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I wanna hook some Flic 2 buttons up to my Yellow. first thought was they should be just Bluetooth, but maybe I need the Flic integration? Sounds like that needs flicd running so do I have to SSH in and modify the config, install flicd and configure something to run it?

earnest tiger
white crescent
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Hi Folks, finally I got my yellow POE. It looks awesome, very nice piece of hardware. Great work! Unfortunately when installing the CM module and the SSD I found that the blue button is quiet shaky and when I checked it from a bit closer i found that it has a defect. The button has zero tactile feedback (not clicking), and looking at it a bit closer it seems the plastic component is separated from this metal piece which should hold it. Do you guys know where to report this? Thank you and cheers.

opaque summit
dusk rover
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Hey guys, i moved my HA from Pi4 to the Yellow, everything moved smoothly but text to speech stop working on Google Nest Hub,
when i run call service it run on the hub and shows playing audio but i hear no sound,
i was on the old setup used ConBee II all the devices moved automatically to the yellow ZigBee
i use a lot of IKEA ZigBee remote control all the devices behave strangely and went to the battery empty very fast or unavailable or not responding.
any advice
Thanks

wary pivot
amber grotto
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I am still struggling with the yellow and adding the ssd. When I put in the nvme ssd in the yellow and then start the engine again, the red and green led are solid on. and nothing happens....

wary pivot
amber grotto
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Hi Jorg, I am using the WD RED SN700 (500gb)

wary pivot
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Many WD SSDs are incompatible, so chances are high this one might be too. But nobody reported a Red one working or not working here yet.

amber grotto
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hereby 🙂 not working... I already did sent one back to change. Now I cannot sent this one back again 😦 . Strange thing is that after putting in the ssd, the whole system is not starting.

wary pivot
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Have you already installed HAOS via the USB stick method as described in the guide yellow.home-assistant.io ? The incompatible SSDs usually don't stop HAOS from booting - they just aren't usable.

amber grotto
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Yes I did. I tried it with the ssd already inserted and without the SSD. Without the ssd inserted, yellow is working properly. That is good. But I ordered the yellow because of the capability to insert a ssd ;(.

wary pivot
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So you have tried to insert the SSD more than once - that should mostly rule out a not correctly seated SSD. 🤔

amber grotto
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I think so yes 🙂 I try once in every two month if it's maybe working now (after a few updates of yellow)

wary pivot
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Please report this issue with the SSD details to yellow@home-assistant.io . So the devs can add the SSD to the non-compatible list and/or look for hardware issues with your Yellow.

amber grotto
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I ordered a m2 nvme to usb adapter. maybe I can format the ssd. Or flash hass on it.

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Ok. I will. Thank you for your help.

wary pivot
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I don't think it's a formatting or partitioning problem. SSDs with those issues usually don't stop HAOS from running and are just not shown for data migration.

amber grotto
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I am going to try everything 🙂 if it works I let you know

hazy oar
shy saffron
honest rover
honest rover
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Curious as to why there are threaded holes for the cm4 AND 4 screws supplied, but the instructions don’t suggest screwing the pi down. I didn’t do it, but I’m tempted

wary pivot
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There should be two springloaded plastic pins in tthe bag with/for the heatsink. The 4 screws should be brass thumbscrews to screw the baseplate and the upper case together. Unless it is another change with the new PCB revision, which hasn't been documented on the homepage. 😆

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The holes are for the heatsink pins.

honest rover
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I didn’t use them tho, but i don’t see any downside to screwing down the cm4 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Obviously I’d go from the inside, just showing what I noticed without taking it apart again

wary pivot
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They had some problems with the version including a CM4. The module got misplaced during shipping. Maybe that's the solution for that issue.

honest rover
wary pivot
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The first picture is an older PCB revision with a jumper instead of a switch.

#

Interesting to see the changes 😄

honest rover
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Maybe I’ll go wild and screw down my cm4. Watch out, there’s a madman on the loose!

wary pivot
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As long as you don't throw your Yellow around, it should be safe not to screw it down. The older revisions are only secured by the heatsink and are working fine.

honest rover
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But.. but.. supplied screws and empty holes 😰

wary pivot
honest rover
stoic umbra
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Hi, PoE kit just landed in the UK (no duty/VAT) and my WD Black SN770 is confirmed as not working! Wondering what NVMe are working well - before I go and order a replacement?

wary pivot
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Samsung is (almost) a safe call (except the 980 Pro series). 970 EVO Plus or 980 (without Pro) are fine.

stoic umbra
wary pivot
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Cheaper would be a Silicon Power P34A60 - the 512 GB variant is confirmed as working. And in a Yellow it doesn't need impressive specs.

honest rover
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About to test my PNY SSD. Will report back

potent lichen
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I just bought a Samsung 980 500GB for 39 from Amazon and it worked very well.

turbid halo
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A few days ago I got shipment notice for the Yellow PoE I ordered in January and today I just got billed for the CM4s I ordered from digikey back in September (no shipment notice yet, but status no longer shows as backorder). Supply chain finally getting the kinks out?

zealous jay
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When I set up my Yellow, every time I went to add the smart switch that I have watching the wattage on the input side of my UPS, the whole Home Assistant OS would crash and restart... and then do it again once the "add a Zigbee device" page came up.

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It seems like the power adapter that came with the Yellow is completely intolerant of even the slightest dropout in power. Every other device on that UPS is fine during the switchover time.

honest rover
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Hmm I think I might need to update the EEPROM. Any tutorials?

slow forum
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I also have a WD Black SN770 that doesn't work with a Yellow on POE

honest rover
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Having a weird issue. Followed the setup instructions, all the right LEDs flashed at the right times.. (flashing yellow, solid red etc) unplugged installer USB, restarted and nothing.. I can’t see anything over serial. I tried creating a new installer drive but nothing is happening when I plug it in

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Just solid red and green lights. I’m using a cm4 lite

honest rover
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The pi does show up when I try to use usbboot, I think I set the boot order correctly and yet still no luck. Maybe I’ll try on my windows device tomorrow, been using Mac OS

I seem to have updated the eeprom, but I realized I had uart boot set to 0. Tried again with 1, but now it won’t write. Ugh. Just gonna try with windows tomorrow

honest rover
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It could also just be my PNY ssd not being compatible

stoic umbra
wary pivot
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Any USB-A slot should do. The USB-C is just for diagnostics and recovery. But some CM4 lite have outdated firmware. The installer should update it, but some CM4 lites need to be updated by the user before installing.

white crescent
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I run into the same issue as @honest rover and @stoic umbra . All went smooth until the reboot. Now just red and green lights constantly on. I tried removing the SSD, no change. Also re-installing from the USB drive work any more... What am I doing wrong?

white crescent
wary pivot
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I have a suspicion, the installer hasn't written the HAOS to the eMMC (or NVMe).

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Or second step: try to run the USB installer with connected serial console to look for error messages.

shy saffron
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🥳 Crowd Supply shipping notification (PoE ordered Feb 9th)

wary pivot
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@ivory pagoda Yellow PoE ordered at raspberrypi.dk on Feb 25th 2023 with estimated shipping end of March (now showing begin of April). Got a shipping notification today - so their estimations seem to be accurate (at least in my case).

ivory pagoda
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Thx @wary pivot

wary pivot
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And you need to add dtparam=ant2to the /mnt/boot/config.txt via the serial console or debug SSH for the external antenna. @shy saffron

honest rover
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And why isn’t there documentation for CM4 Lites? Very frustrating having to find a bunch of obscure blog and forum posts to figure out what I have to do

wary pivot
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Puh... I think, we have to ping @shut cedar

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For summoning the support gods we need some sacrifice... any volunteers? 😈 🤣

honest rover
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Looking back through this channel @quiet lintel has the same PNY CS1030 SSD as me, they fixed their issue by updating the bootloader

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The problem is I can’t find a simple method to do that lol. My google-fu is weak on this topic

wary pivot
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It is a bit strange so many issues with the red and green steady LEDs occur at the same time. 🤔

shut cedar
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The installer updates the firmware automatically.

honest rover
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If the installer updates the firmware, what am I doing wrong currently? I’m at a loss

shut cedar
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Ok, I think there is an edge case of the edge case: When you have a very old CM4, thoses do not have the auto update feature. Then the installer won't automatically update the EEPROM.

honest rover
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And I’m unable to reinstall. Gonna stick the ssd in my pc and delete partition and see if I can run the installer again

shut cedar
honest rover
honest rover
#

Here

shut cedar
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Hm I see. Maybe a newer bootloader than the Installer ships 🤔

#

The ones shipped with the installer is already a couple of months old again 😰

#

It isn't booting from USB anymore?

honest rover
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So I wiped the original usb and created a new installer, but all I get is solid red and green

wary pivot
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A few people are having their systems not booting and showing a steady green and red LED. Even with an eMMC CM4.
Haven't found anything to pinpoint the issue yet, but am I right the Yellow would show those LEDs, if no OS is installed?

shut cedar
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So it seems it gets stuck booting from NVMe right now

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You can try by removing the NVMe. Does it boot from USB then (yellow starts flashing?)

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Maybe it is actually booting, but crashes later on? But then I would not expect that a EEPROM update would fix it 🤔

honest rover
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Thanks for giving me some things to try though

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Maybe you can answer my question about the new usb recovery button - do I have to keep it held down? Or just while I turn on the device? Documentation only covers the old jumper version

shut cedar
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You need to keep it hold down for 1-2s, should be enough.

honest rover
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Seeing the flashing yellow LED now

shut cedar
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Even with the NVMe plugged in?

honest rover
shut cedar
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Hm, ok, that means it kinda/sorta tries to boot from NVMe, but then fails. I am sceptical that a EEPROM update helps here tbh

honest rover
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Hmm

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Weird

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I’ll try again with the NVME inserted

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As soon as the NVME is inserted it goes back to just solid red and green. Will wipe the ssd and try again in a bit

shut cedar
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Yeah, so the NVMe has something on it which the CM4 tries to boot from.

honest rover
honest rover
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Trying to reinstall now. Removed my z-wave module just in case. Iirc it was attached last time

shut cedar
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Yeah unlikely that it matters but better be sure

honest rover
#

Installer seems to be behaving as expected…

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Pray to the tech gods with me

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Alright. It’s solid red. Moment of truth

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Solid red and green 😦

#

Ethernet yellow led is flickering, but it did that last time too

shut cedar
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Can you check serial console if you see something?

honest rover
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I’ll try

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Don’t even see anything when I ls /dev/cu.*

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Yesterday I could at least see usbserial-xxx

shut cedar
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You've connected the USB-C port I assume? Jumper JP2 is on UART?

honest rover
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Yes and yes

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Maybe I need to try my windows pc, been doing this on Mac OS

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Just to try all the things lmao

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Process of elimination

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Ah there it is. Had to power off for it to show up when I ls the ports

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Powering on and GNU Screen is blank

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The command I used is: screen /dev/cu.usbserial-1410 115200

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Nothing but a solid cursor. Sudo makes no difference

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Could it be my power supply? Currently using a 30w PoE+ injector for setup at my desk (before I put it on my PoE switch in my network closet)

wary pivot
#

If you hit Enter a few times, does a login prompt appear?

honest rover
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Also get this fun error with rpiboot when I run rpiboot -d . Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711... Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin Sending bootcode.bin Successful read 4 bytes Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711... Loading embedded: bootcode4.bin Second stage boot server Cannot open file config.txt Cannot open file pieeprom.sig Loading embedded: start4.elf File read: start4.elf Cannot open file fixup4.dat Second stage boot server done

honest rover
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solved that part. was using the wrong command. should have been sudo ./rpiboot -d recovery because that’s the directory where all the files are

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eeprom is now updated. I made sure boot-UART was 1

hazy oar
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My Mouser CM4 order came. W00t. And either they fixed the glitch or word got out and 200+ of them sold overnight.

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My 3/22 crowdsupply order has gone from 3/17 -> 3/31 -> 4/14.

honest rover
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Just wiped my ssd again, did the install process. Got through all the flashing lights to the solid red. Disconnected usb and restarted.. back to just solid green and solid red 😦

worn grove
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I have a CM4, but cancelled my Yellow order. Went with a Beelink mini-PC off Amazon.

honest rover
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I regret getting a Lite CM4 now

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Maybe it’s my SSD - even though it gets configured by the installer, maybe the Yellow doesn’t like it for a boot drive? Anyone here with a CM4 Lite care to share which SSD they’re using?

hazy oar
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I had no issue installing to a CM4 Lite.

honest rover
hazy oar
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Silicon Power P34A60 512GB

honest rover
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Thanks

hazy oar
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Cheapest thing on Amazon with a Tom's Hardware review.

honest rover
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Ugh I almost got that one instead of the PNY originally, but went with PNY because I was more familiar with the brand lol

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Ordered it, since I know you have a working cm4 lite install, thanks @hazy oar

hazy oar
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I don't have much to say about that SP drive... but turns out I bought one about a year back and it's still going.

shut cedar
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@honest rover did you check serial console?

honest rover
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I’ll just put my PNY SSD on my regular Pi 4, been wanting to upgrade from MicroSD anyway

honest rover
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ill try that again later

hazy oar
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I know nothing about how these things boot and what the HA installer is doing. But if you're going again, I'd make sure the partition table is wiped out first.

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On Windows that'd be diskpart, list disk, select disk <#>, clean

honest rover
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Because I don’t have a usb adapter, I put it in a spare slot in my gaming pc lol

hazy oar
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That's not exactly the same if you're doing it in Disk Management. clean would put the disk back to an un-initialized state with no partition table at all.

honest rover
hazy oar
uncut wedge
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Shipping notification for mine came in today from Crowd Supply. POE Version ordered 17th Feb 23.

shy saffron
shy saffron
wary pivot
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You don't have access through HA. You need to use the USB-C serial console or the debug SSH (not the SSH add-on) and use the editor vi.

turbid halo
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Having a problem moving data to new disk
Completely new install, first thing I do is attempt to move data
getting this error

Source: components/hassio/websocket_api.py:125
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 7:25:07 PM (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 7:25:07 PM

Failed to to call /os/datadisk/move - Can't move data partition to Samsung-SSD-980-500GB-S64ENS0T315388Y:```
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I tried a number of different formatting/partitioning options on the nvme. Same error every time.

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I don't know if it's related, but I also see this in the host log at the same timestamp
Mar 31 01:25:07 homeassistant dbus-broker[159]: Peer :1.43 is being disconnected as it sent a message with an invalid body.

turbid halo
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Known good CM4 and nvme combination. They were working together for another project. Repurposed them for the new Yellow

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@shy saffron I believe you can also access emmc using rpiboot. You should be able to mount the emmc partitions via the usb-c

honest rover
turbid halo
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I'm not having the same issue others seem to be having. The nvme is recognized. Something else seems to be broken.

honest rover
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Oops didn’t catch the make of the ssd earlier

uncut wedge
shut cedar
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@turbid halo what Supervisor version are you using? Are you on the beta channel?

midnight temple
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Home Assistant 2023.3.6
Supervisor 2023.03.3
Operating System 9.5
Frontend 20230309.1 - latest

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The USB Stick ist just downloading the latest version. Is it posible (how?) to install an older Home Assistant Version to the HA yellow?

shut cedar
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@midnight temple can you check the Host logs?

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(it is a choice in the top right list under logs)

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I expect some information from haos-agent why this failed.

midnight temple
shut cedar
midnight temple
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As you can seen in my screenshot, there is no such menu.

shut cedar
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Hm, maybe it is behind the advanced flag (Click on the user and set the "Advanced Mode")

midnight temple
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Yes you are right.

shut cedar
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Hm, no log entries about haos-agent 🤔

dusky hollow
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Hi all,
since I installed my HA Yellow I recognized problems in my Home WLAN.
I am running a FritzBox 7590 with several Mesh Repeater (3000,6000,1750).

WLAN devices lost their connection.
After looking into the Fritz!Box LogFiles, I saw that the repeater next to the Yellow had problems with the 5GHz connection.

The Log says:
" 5G for a minute (channel 100, frequency 5500 Ghz) not usable because of a privileged RADAR"
sometimes it 1-10 minutes.

this makes me nervous.

To validate the problem, i changes the location of the Yellow to another room.
Same problem with the Repater in the room.

Does anybody having similar issues?

shut cedar
dusky hollow
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not me, the Yello is doing so

shut cedar
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The log is from the FritzBox right?

dusky hollow
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yes

shut cedar
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Are you using the PoE variant?

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With power over PoE?

dusky hollow
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no

shut cedar
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I mean if the Fritzbox is logging this, then the FritzBox picks up those signals... Are you sure it is related to Yellow? E.g. if you turn it off for ~24h, you don't get any of these log entries?

dusky hollow
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yes totally sure.

shut cedar
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Are you using a CM4 with WiFi/Bt?

dusky hollow
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yes

shut cedar
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So the EMI measurements of Yellow Standard have been very far from any limits. So I don't think it is Yellow. (Sidennote: PoE was closer to the limits, but still within limits. But that doesn't apply to you anyways).

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So I'd guess this is the CM4/it's WiFi module which does something which then is picked up by the Fritzbox

wary pivot
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My Yellow is beside my FritzBox. Have some frequency changes due to radar detection on channel 128 in my logs, but no unusability messages - and no 5 GHz device outages. But my FritzRepeater is working as a Wifi bridge only and is doing his own wifi network with 6% signal strength. So those log entries might not be caused by my Yellow.

dusky hollow
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ok good point, i will switch bluetooth of and see if it’s help

dusky hollow
shut cedar
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Are you using WiFi to connect? Or is it idle?

dusky hollow
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ok thanks guys,
will make some tests

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it’s definitely coming from my yellow.
if i am moving it to other rooms, the repeater next to it has the 5Ghz/ RADAR issue

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now i changed the channel my this help’s

wary pivot
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You don't want to use the Wifi, but the Bluetooth on your Yellow, right?

dusky hollow
wary pivot
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One attempt might be to disable the Wifi on the CM4. If you connect to your Yellow via the serial console, you can edit the file /mnt/boot/config.txt with the linux file editor vi.
If you add dtoverlay=disable-wifito that file, it might (no guarantee) help.

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But let us know, if it helps with your 5GHz issue, please.

dusky hollow
ivory pagoda
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We noticed raspberrypi.dk is out of stock of full Home Assistant Yellow with CM4. Not sure whether I should celebrate or be sad 😉. But they do still have Kit versions - and they offer CM4's as well! Quite a lot of those, actually and quite a chance to organize yourself a nice present...

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As a side note: See how raspberrypi.dk deals with "out of stock". No promises, not even guesstimates...

wary pivot
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CM4s at raspberrypi.dk are B2B only at moment. Not orderable by endusers.

opaque summit
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Nabu Casa starting a reseller feature with drop-shipping from raspberrypi.dk? ^^

turbid halo
shut cedar
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Yeah there is a bug in current Supervisor 2023.03.3.

turbid halo
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Thought that might be the case. Saw the recent change involving udisks2 and thought that might be root cause?

ivory pagoda
wary pivot
ivory pagoda
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And I was wondering about the numbers...

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As usual, too good to be true

honest rover
wary pivot
honest rover
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Lol, I mean it’s just for tax reasons, but I’m technically a business 😆

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Honestly though, I’ll totally do it, if it helps fellow nerds get their CM4s

worn grove
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I have a CM4, 8GB, WiFi, "lite" that I want to sell. Decided not to go the Yellow route and went mini-PC instead. Still in box, never used.

manic sinew
worn grove
compact quartz
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Sharing in case you see anyone else in here that describes the same

shy saffron
wary pivot
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If I get the Raspberry Pi documentation right, yes.

dusky hollow
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Hey everyone, for the CM4...I know the documentation says minimum 2gb ram but realistically is any more than that needed?

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Still waiting until I can scoop one up but wanna be prepared

wary pivot
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My system is using 2.2 of 8 GB RAM at moment. Running a couple of add-ons.

hazy oar
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Both my current HAs are supervised VMs w/ 2GB RAM, hover around 1GB used. VS Studio Code, Mosquitto, MQTT Viewer, ESPHome, TasmoBackup add-ons.

worn grove
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I have HAOS running, 4GB VM, 2.88GB used.

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Personally, I would not get a 2GB CM4. Too limiting.

opaque summit
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The ones I have running Unifi controller add-on needs 4GB but other than that its pretty basic and 2GB for me. >=4GB would probably be more futureproof, but with availability being what it is i'm happy i was able to get some 4GB ones before the yellows arrived

river forge
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I just received my Home Assistant Yellow POE (yay!) but I'm only getting a red light (boo!). At first I don't think the CM4 was seated fully, but I'm confident it is now but when I connect the POE cable, the red light stays on solid and no other lights come on. Any ideas on how to debug? Thanks.

wary pivot
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Have you installed Home Assistant according to the guide yet?

river forge
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I tried to, but the yellow light never comes on, just the red one.

wary pivot
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So you created an installer USB stick, plugged it in, powered it up and it's just showing a red LED?

honest rover
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Is your PoE source putting out sufficient power?

honest rover
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Time to add my PNY ssd to the unsupported list. The siliconpower ssd worked immediately

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Fuck the 256gb PNY CS1030, it might work as a data disk for some, but it won’t work as a boot drive

honest rover
wary pivot
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The Yellow was designed for toolless assembly. They also threw the packages through a corrridor for testing (there was a video about that). But even that wasn't enough to prepare for parcel service handling. 🤣
Also technical stuff might be a reason for that design choice.

honest rover
wary pivot
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Nah, you can tape it down with duct tape 🤣

hazy oar
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I get irrationally angry every time I buy something new that uses a screw for the M.2 when screw-free options have existed for years now.

torn wraith
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Hi all, I got a but of a trouble. I have an instance running on Ubuntu - yes, that platform is no longer supported - an I would like to migrate to Yellow. So, restoring a backup from the old instance would only make the yellow hang. Any thoughts?

wary pivot
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It takes quite some time for bigger backups to restore. I thought mine would hang too.

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The Yellow/Raspberry Pi is usually slower than an Ubuntu VM or Docker host - so it takes longer.

torn wraith
wary pivot
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What add-on are you talking about?

torn wraith
wary pivot
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No, mine took about 30 minutes.

torn wraith
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oh, no ... I have been passed that rubicon; the yellow was blinking for 6 hours strait.

wary pivot
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If the old backup doesn't work (there might have been some breaking changes through the next versions) and you aren't able to create new ones, you can download the /config folder of your current installation and upload it to the yellow (after new onboarding). E.g. via the Samba add-on.

torn wraith
wary pivot
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I'm at work this weekend - so I'm a little bit jealous. 😆

torn wraith
wary pivot
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So you know the drill 😝

torn wraith
sharp coral
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Did you resolve the issue?

vivid grove
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I have a bunch of lights that are not working but worked fine before today they dont turn on via home assistant dashboard they are all connected via z wave on my yellow

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bit wierd really have one that shows that its turned on in the dash but wont turn off the others just wont turn on

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i turned one on by switching the mains on and off that now shows as on in the dash but wont turn off either

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I tried re adding the light thats in the same room and its just searching not seeing anything and the light is in pairing mode

vivid grove
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So I fixed it by rebooting the yellow but I had to physically unplug it as after 30 minutes of wating for it to reboot from the Dash I figured something must be wrong a full reboot never takes that long usually

wary pivot
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Are you using a NVMe?

vivid grove
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yeah

wary pivot
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I haven't had any problems with my Z-Wave yet. But I have observed my NVMe to drop from the systems a few times (I assume on high CPU loads). In that case a reboot seems to take forever - but just the OS is loading (and is able to be logged in via serial console) but the NVMe is missing - and so the Observer and HA Core are never started. I had to powercycle to revive it.

vivid grove
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yeah i just checked and the nvme isnt showing

wary pivot
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But that's my working theory - wasn't able to reproduce the NVMe crash (and it's cause) reliably.

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Maybe an add-on went rogue and used too much CPU capacity and caused this.

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Are you using the Multiprotocol add-on?

vivid grove
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no im not no

zealous jay
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Speaking of the M.2, it's non-obvious that the threads on the top of the M.2 standoff aren't for a screw.

honest rover
zealous jay
honest rover
honest rover
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https://i.imgur.com/whM47zp.jpg sizing up my spare 120mm fan, told you guys I’d do this for the fun of it, just gotta get a case printed with the appropriate modifications

keen parcel
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Where are you located?

halcyon lagoon
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Hello, just got my yellow. Out of curiosity, can I just grab the NVMe drive on which my current HA is installed (the OS and data -- I modified the rpi boot order to ignore internal flash) and put it in the yellow and boot that? Again, assuming I tweak the Yellow's firmware boot order to ignore eMMC. The only thing that gives me pause is if there is a specific variant of HAOS for yellow (but I don't think that is the case).

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Am aware I might need to fix a few things after the fact, like device paths.

opaque summit
halcyon lagoon
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Ah yeah, the dev tree will be all bad / missing, quite right.

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Yeah backup it is.

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I could have it boot on the nvme drive like the rpi to spare the eMMC or have slightly better performance, but 🤷

opaque summit
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you can install the yellow image to the nvme, but not with the official installer, it will default to emmc if present.

halcyon lagoon
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Indeed.

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That is standard CM4 firmware behavior.

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But thanks for including an easy jumper 🙂

topaz dock
topaz dock
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Sorry for the double message.... I used the rpiboot recovery tool to set the boot priority and used the rpi imager to write the HAOS PRI4/400 image direct to the NVME drive using a usb-nvme adapter. Seems to have started up okay.... Does that sound like the right way to do it?

unreal ocean
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Hi Everyone. I managed to add my IKEA Fyrtur blinds to HA via ZHA last night, and they were working! At 3:30am this morning, they became "unavailable" and I am no longer able to control them the dashboard or the integration. They still appear in the ZHA config. The blind remote and the buttons on the blinds themselves work fine. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be the problem?

shy saffron
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My PoE Yellow arrived this morning. Followed the guide here https://yellow.home-assistant.io/poe-nvme/ and everything seems to have gone well. 👍 Only issue is moving the data disk. First time I selected the Samsung 980 (non Pro) it immediately showed a failed error dialog. Tried again and it showed a please wait dialog. After a while I refreshed the browser and went back to the storage page, the used space was still showing as 8.2% (CM4 with 32GB eMMC) so I clicked through the dialog again... it shows "'/dev/mmcblk0p8' as datadisk" and when I attempted to select the Samsung SSD again it showed an error stating "another job is running". Is there a HA menu I may check to see if the data disk migration is running please? It feels like it's been longer than 10 minutes. Seeing intermittent flashes of the yellow and green lights.

ashen valve
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Anyone in UK with a yellow? I bought the skyconnect but tempted to switch to a yellow as I had planned to use docker on my old mac mini but it appears passthrough usb is a limitation on macos

wary pivot
shy saffron
ashen valve
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where did you order from?

shy saffron
# ashen valve where did you order from?

Crowd Supply. Arrived via FedEx today, who didn't ask for any fees/duty.
Fingers crossed the Yellow will be available from UK resellers soon. Currently I believe the only announced European reseller is https://raspberrypi.dk/ There's a post a bit further up this channel with details on their price to ship to the UK but that probably would be subject to import duty.

ashen valve
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i got no duties on my skyconnect but unsure if thats just because it was only £50

shy saffron
wary pivot
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That shouldn't matter. It seems Windows is missing a driver. Have you tried to right click on that device and look for new drivers?

shy saffron
wary pivot
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Sometimes Windows needs a reboot.

shy saffron
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Driver downloaded and installed... the port has appeared. Thank you.

topaz dock
wary pivot
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The option the Raspberry Pi imager has for Yellow is the installer. The stuff from the HAOS GitHub is the OS image.

shy saffron
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Sorry, probably not Yellow related but I'm not sure where to ask for help with...

Source: components/hassio/websocket_api.py:125
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 12:28:03 (4 occurrences)
Last logged: 13:52:17

Failed to to call /os/datadisk/move - Can't move data partition to Samsung-SSD-980-500GB-S64DNL1TA23708A:
Failed to to call /os/datadisk/move - Another job is running```
wary pivot
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The disk move has already been triggered.

shut cedar
honest rover
shy saffron
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Looks like mine has moved... so perhaps I just need to restart the Yellow.

devices:
- Samsung-SSD-980-500GB-S64DNL1TA23708A
disks:
- dev_path: "/dev/nvme0n1\0"
  id: Samsung-SSD-980-500GB-S64DNL1TA23708A
  model: Samsung SSD 980 500GB
  name: Samsung SSD 980 500GB (S64DNL1TA23708A)
  serial: S64DNL1TA23708A
  size: 500107862016
  vendor: ""```
shy saffron
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Perhaps not. Still showing as /dev/mmcblk0p8 in the HA UI.
Am I misunderstanding what is returned by ha os datadisk list? Is that available disks?

Is it worth me trying ha os data move /dev/nvme0n1 or do I need to wait for the Supervisor release? Wasn't sure if the issue only affects making the change via the Home Assistant UI?

wary pivot
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Is lsblk in the serial console showing nvme0n1p1 as /mnt/data?

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ha os datadisk list is showing the following (after a successful data movement to a Samsung 980 1TB):

disks: []```
shy saffron
# 
NAME         MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
mmcblk0      179:0    0  29.1G  0 disk
|-mmcblk0p1  179:1    0    32M  0 part /mnt/boot```
dreamy spruceBOT
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@wary pivot I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
shy saffron
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Apologies for being such a novice.
A couple of people mention a workaround on the GitHub post.
gdbus call --system --dest io.hass.os --object-path /io/hass/os/DataDisk --method io.hass.os.DataDisk.ChangeDevice "/dev/nvme0n1"
Is that something I may try via the CLI?

ashen valve
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run it

shy saffron
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I did... it returned (true,)

ashen valve
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and you restarted?

shy saffron
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yes. No change as far as I can see.

shy saffron
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Oops. I was trying to execute that command in PuTTY... which is the CLI, right? I am installing SSH & Web Terminal currently. Will give the gdbus thing a try once that's done.

worn grove
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I cancelled my Yellow PoE order. Got a mini-PC that's way faster than my RPi 4...Yellow is a nice idea, but just not for me anymore.

wary pivot
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Yes, you told us 4 days ago.

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The good thing about Home Assistant is the freedom of choice - even the hardware it is running on.

hexed river
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Stocks updated on Crowdsupply. PoE Jun 30, PSU Apr 30. Raspberrypi.dk showing PoE and PSU versions 'in stock', CMU versions out of stock but select CMUs also in stock.

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Ordered PSU version from Raspberrypi.dk this morning, (10am), DHL tracking number received 10hrs later. Get am while you can 👍

opaque summit
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I just realised I didnt check if the PoE kit shipped with a 12v supply or not; it does not (my bad)

Is a 18w USB PD outlet with a 12v trigger cable insufficient to boot a Yellow with nvme?

edit: huh, one of the usb supplies only wanted to give out 5v from the 18w port, not 12v. The other one worked, same make & model. Guess thats a RMA of the usb supply.

wary pivot
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Pro's and Con's about the shipping:
CrowdSupply uses Express services like FedEx. When the shipment leaves their warehouse, it is delivered in a very short time.
Long waiting time for shipping - quick delivery service.

Raspberrypi.dk uses a service called Coolrunner, which collects the shipments and sends them to a parcel service like DHL. It takes a bit more time in transit, but raspberrypi.dk ships quite fast. In their defense: if I got a friend right, sending parcels in Denmark is a pain in the butt.
Quick shipping - slower delivery service.

wary pivot
opaque summit
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Yeah, saw that, but still found it surprising that there was no signs of life. Oh well, will re-visit when I have a PoE switch handy.

wary pivot
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But... my Yellow with NVMe and Z-Wave HAT has been drawing 7.62 W (not mm full metal jacket) max from the grid (according to a Shelly Plug power metering).

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But I have no metering ability on the 12V side.

opaque summit
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Its not gonna draw more on the 12v side:D
(or if it does someone gonna get rich:D)

wary pivot
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Yeah. 🤣 But I'm not sure how reliable the Shelly metering is. 😆

wary pivot
opaque summit
wary pivot
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Now you need some CM4s for an earlier retirement.

opaque summit
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Oh, only selling the free power - yellows and the cm4s were under last years family xmas tree, albeit in 2d form..

wary pivot
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And we are still waiting for our promised gold plated Yellow. They really think, we are satisfied by the copper one. handgesture

white anchor
honest rover
white anchor
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I didn’t have a spare so I tried flashing the yellow installer image directly to the EMMC. I just don’t get any activity light. Just the red power

opaque summit
robust pier
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so just got my hands on a CM4! but.. add-ons spin and do nothing on install. nothing in the supervisor logs. Any ideas?

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PoE edition.

robust pier
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Welp -- a few hard restarts later and I got some add-ons installed. Not sure what the root cause for anyone finding this via search in the future

shut cedar
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@robust pier sometimes add-on installation is just surprisingly slow (as in really really slow. Presumably when GH servers are slow or slow peering with them).

opaque summit
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Any plans to add adhesive silicone/rubber feet to attach to the thumb screws as an alternative? Imho far to easy to scratch a surface and not enough friction with just the brass screws as feet. (Preferably a height that could also be used inside the case to provide just enough pressure to keep the board from rattling around in the case).

hexed river
wary pivot
opaque summit
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Yeah, I did as well, but I dont think everyone has them handy, so adding them to the kits would be something to consider imho.

ashen valve
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its running HA, faster is not necessarily better. I'd rather low power and acceptable performance. If i wanted fast I'd run it on my pc

nocturne shard
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To those waiting for Crowdsupply (direct) Yellow orders: I ordered mine (kit with power supply) Feb 28th and received it yesterday (3 April). I was frustrated by the lack of communication about lead-times constantly shifting having bought mine on the basis of a March 3rd 'predicted shipping date'. However, when they ship, it's a very quick process to delivery, as others have said. I'm in UK; I got a 'shipment' notification on Friday and it was with me by FedEx on Monday morning, no extra charged incurred. Let's hope Crowdsupply do a better job of keeping customers informed!

nocturne shard
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Unable to move datadisk to NVME M2. I've read the preceding posts about this issue and need a bit of guidance, please as to how to fix it, or wait until a HA update fixes it. From the HA UI (Storage / move datadisk) process I got a recognised NVME module (Sandisk 970 Evo Plus 1Tb - I know, overkill) and it looked like the process was working with the spinning blue circle and being asked to 'be patient'. After about 25 minutes the caption had disappeared so I thought it had worked, but after doing a HA restart, it hadn't. Trying again gets the 'Failed to move Datadisk / Another job is running'. My 16Gb CM4 module has about 50% free memory so not an urgent problem - I'd just like to get it sorted.
I note there's a line of code in posts above and on Github which can be written to the system but I don't know what utility I need to do this, and if it's a reliable fix. Can someone let me know in a step-by-step approach please? If the consensus is that this will be fixed in an upcoming update, maybe it's best to wait?

wary pivot
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You would need to access the serial console or activate the debug SSH. My advise would be to wait for the next Supervisor update and try again. It should be released soon.