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shut cedar
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Can you try this?

vivid grove
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ill try anything at this point lol

rustic sand
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You could check the CM4 is seated correctly as that seems to be a common problem, though your system seems to be working more than others that have had that problem. Perhaps just one pin is not connected.

vivid grove
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yeah as far as I can tell its ok but nothings changed

wary pivot
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Are there any firewall restrictions or a DNS filter which might prevent the Yellow to reach github?

vivid grove
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i wouldnt of thought so as Ive been running a vm for at least year and thats been fine

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Im gonna have to leave it for today but thank you everyone for trying to help

rustic sand
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@wary pivot what does it connect to at github? I presume that endpoint is there and not moved or something or have access restrictions?

wary pivot
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If the DNS request to resolve github isn't answered or your firewall blocks internet traffic for the Yellow, it would have nobody to talk to for downloading the image.

rustic sand
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I get that but presumably it is accessing a specific url at github that either might not be there anymore, or could be set to private instead of public.

hushed kayak
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And 🌈

compact quartz
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A failure to get the image would show in the logs (blue pulsing dot) but since they are not even getting that far...

blazing aurora
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At this point I have zero faith in Crowd Supply, nothing they say has been correct, still no shipping confirmation. I placed the order on 9/15/21. I tried contacting to see if the SSD had shipped, no reply.

toxic ledge
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I'm familiar with copying the config folder out, will try this, thanks.

rustic sand
fresh bough
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That's a strange issue

vivid grove
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No isp is BT

fresh bough
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That said 1.1.1.1 over DoT is the shizzle

vivid grove
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So i followed the trouble shooting to reflash with HA and now i only have a solid red led and a green led that flashes slowly 4 times followed by 5 or 6 quick flashes

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No yellow led at all

shut cedar
shut cedar
vivid grove
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Yeah those ones

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Tried both

shut cedar
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Using rpiboot?

vivid grove
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The uppee caussd the lights to do what tgey are doing now

shut cedar
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So the lower is essentially the de-bricking method, which should work in any case.

vivid grove
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I tried thar way too but ive no way of checking if it worked but if what you say is correct then it obviously didnt

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When i run imager would i get asked by windows to re insert the drive? Imager looks like its doing its job in the background and runs verify and says its done but then i end back here

shut cedar
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So once the installer is flashed on the internal eMMC (step 1-7), you'll have to make sure to set back the Jumper, then power it on again

vivid grove
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Yeah i did that

shut cedar
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Now the installer should boot, which will get indiciated by Yellow blinking LED. Does that happen?

vivid grove
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No

shut cedar
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Ok, that is bad. That means the Yellow Installer doesn't start.

vivid grove
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Yellow led doesnt come on at all

shut cedar
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You are using Windows correct?

vivid grove
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Yeah 11 if tgat helps

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That*

shut cedar
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I've tested these steps on Linux, but let me do steps 1-7 on my side to see if things work as expected.

vivid grove
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Thank you, im stuck at work atm but honestly this has given me very restless nights sleep i dont like not being able to figure things out

shut cedar
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Can you try again? Also make sure that the LEDs are in the described state as written. Let me know if the LEDs are not lighting up as described in one of the steps.

pearl frigate
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Oh nice, my shipping date was just again postponed by another week, now Oct 14th ….

shut cedar
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By Crowd Supply/Mouser or the mailing company?

limpid sequoia
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Crowdsupply

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We noticed about 15 hours ago

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All that didn't ship where just bumped up to 14th

vivid grove
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@shut cedar followed the steps again no change

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everything seems to go fine solid red light then red and green solid but once i put the jumpers back to normal solid red and flashing green

shut cedar
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The flash/verify step works without error?

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Can you check the green blinking pattern again (maybe record it)

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Did you make sure the CM4 is properly seated?

vivid grove
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flash verify works without error yes

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i just checked the seating of the cm4 but now ive lost one of the springs for the heatsink as it fired off yay!

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any ideas where i can get another heatsink/spring?

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right now it doesnt work anyway so I feel like i through my money away

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so glad I waited over a year

shut cedar
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Unfortunately, those push-pins are not really available off the shelf. You can use M2.5 screws as replacement.

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Btw, it is save to operate without heat sink. The CPU will just throttle a bit earlier, which is not usually a problem.

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(like the RPis)

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When you selected the eMMC, did it display "RPi-MSD"?

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Honestly, I am out of ideas. The CM4 did boot initially, as the yellow LED blinked at one point. I tested with Windows 11, followed the steps exactly as described, and for me that recovers the CM4, the yellow LED starts blinking as the Installer starts. So either the installer did not flash correctly (double check and make sure to follow each step exactly), or the CM4 indeed stopped working (which seems very unlikely to me).

vivid grove
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ive tried multiple times and same results ive tried different usb ports diferent cables ive tried reseating the cm4 and well that didnt go well

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my options seem limited here so I guess I need to go down the waranty route

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spring found 🙂

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running again got a solid red and green light

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i can see files when rpi boot does its thing

shut cedar
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Ok, yeah that means the eMMC is accessible from the Windows PC.

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Ok, make sure to select the Yellow installer

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vivid grove
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everything as I say looks like its worked until I restore power after putting the the jp's back

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I do honestly I have followed to the letter and it just wont work

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plug in and same result

shut cedar
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Ok, also the "RPi-MSD" appears in the target selection?

vivid grove
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it says rpi-msf 0001 i think

shut cedar
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Ok, yeah that is right then.

vivid grove
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msd rather

shut cedar
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Do you have something plugged into the USB (Type-A) or PCIe slot?

vivid grove
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nope

shut cedar
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Can you try to count the green blinking pattern again? Is it still the same as you reported earlier?

vivid grove
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pretty sure it is yeah

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i took a videa

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video

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ill upload it somewhere

shut cedar
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You can also DM me, I think there you can send longer videos

quartz quest
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My Yellow has it’s ship date moved from October 1 to 4 to 7 to 14 🙄

shut cedar
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For the records, in @vivid grove's case it seemed really the CM4 firwmware was borked (green LED blinked 4 times slow, 5 times fast). After we recovered the EEPROM via rpiboot -d recovery, things booted fine again 🎉

limpid sequoia
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Crowdsupply just Shipped one of my orders that where delayed to the 14th

shut cedar
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Interesting. Maybe it was just an automated/batch process which moved shipping dates or something.

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From our dash board I see that 847 units have been delivered so far.

limpid sequoia
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The order had the processing status for the last 2 weeks and shipped today.
The order that shipped yesterday was only in processing for 2 or 3 days.
It feels more like my first order felt of the table and they only just now found it and threw it into the next outbound shipping container

rustic sand
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I plugged an Aeotec Z-Stick 7 USB stick (ZWave) into the Yellow, but can't seem to access it from ZWave JS Add-on. Any clues as to what I need to do?

wary pivot
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Is it shown in Settings-System-Hardware-All Hardware (Hamburger menu)? Should be a ttyACM device.

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If not, try to reboot the host with the stick plugged in.

rustic sand
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I don't think so, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for. I can see ttyACM0, ttyACM1, and ttyACM2 but none of them really look like they are the zwave stick. Have rebooted the host twice.

wary pivot
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I am using the Z-Stich Gen5+ in my old setup. It is shown as ttyACM0 but no "human readable" identification. It is "/dev/serial/by-id/usb-0658_0200-if00".

hollow widgetBOT
wary pivot
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The Aeotec Documentation says, it should be /dev/ttyUSB0 for the Z-Stick 7.

rustic sand
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That isn't an option in the zwave js addin

wary pivot
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Have you tried to switch to yaml mode and insert it by hand?

rustic sand
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Yes it says the device doesn't exist

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I have a device called "usb1"

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But can't seem to add that in yaml as it doesn't have "tty" in it

hollow widgetBOT
wary pivot
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It hast to be someting like /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_CP2102N_USB_to_UART_Bridge_Controller .

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Can you run "ls /dev/serial/by-id/" in a terminal?

rustic sand
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When I had the stick on my Synology NAS it was /dev/ttyUSB0 as you say

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I don't have terminal access currently

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I don't have /dev/serial

wary pivot
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In that case, one of the Yellow pros has to take over. The Z-Stick should be shown in the /dev/serial/by-id/ directory.

rustic sand
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I've installed the Terminal access add-in to HA, is that the right place to be looking for this?

wary pivot
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Yeah.

rustic sand
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On the Synology I needed to add two extra files to /lib/modules which were ch341.ko and cp210x.ko

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Then run "insmod" to load them

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There just is no /dev/serial/by-id/ folder at all. /dev/serial isn't there

wary pivot
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The Z-Stick 7 should even be autodiscovered. 🤔

rustic sand
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Yeah it wasn't. Is there a jumper on the Yellow that could be wrong?

fresh bough
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Can you see the usb device if you plug it into anything else?

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Like a windows computer

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It should probably create a serial port there too

rustic sand
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Yeah I've had it in Windows previously to update the firmware, and it's been running fine in my Synology NAS using ZWaveJS2MQTT

fresh bough
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I don't run HAOS, but does dmesg work there? And does it show anything when you plug / unplug

rustic sand
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It outputs logs, but nothing appears when unplugging/plugging in the device

rustic sand
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Tried plugging in a USB bluetooth adapter but that doesn't seem to be recognised either. Starting to think USB just isn't working. Model ZEXMTE BT-505 (on the supported list). Tried rebooting host.

pine pilot
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I'll probably won't be the first... nor last...
Can anyone pin the installation page for the Yellow to this channel?
Either I'm poor at typing in the word 'yellow' in the searchbox over at homeassistant.io, or there is no dedicated page for installing hassio on the yellow? 😁

pine pilot
latent fern
pine pilot
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@latent fern awesome, but when I type in "yellow" in the search box on home-assistant.io or homeassistant.io it doesn't point to it.

Is this on purpose? Is this a secret society? 🤓

latent fern
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There's a link on the home page, too

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Search terms are above my pay grade

pine pilot
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On the homepage is a link indeed, that leads to crowdsupply.com?
What trickery am I watching?

wary pivot
pine pilot
rustic sand
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Just noticed a typo in the FAQ https://yellow.home-assistant.io/support/ "I can't access the system via ..." then it has a URL with homeassitant.local (missing "s"). Well I guess the question could be right, but then the answer needs to be check your spelling 🙂

shut cedar
rustic sand
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Jumper is across UART not USB. Is that correct?

shut cedar
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That is correct yes.

toxic ledge
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I was able to copy by config folder from my docker deployment, I have a few items to cleanup. Thanks to this forum for that assist.

Now, I'd like to figure out how I can get my energy history to show up. I moved everything over as advised. However it appears the home-assistant_v2.db reset as it is much smaller than the source. Did I do something wrong when copying? is it not possible to get my energy history into my Yellow?

smoky pivot
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check the statistics table?

shut cedar
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@toxic ledge you can use the Backup integration to create a backup in your container installation. This backups are compatible with HAOS backups, so you can restore it on the HAOS installation. This should migrate all configuration and data. (see https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/backup).

vivid grove
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ive restored a back up but cant get all addons to start

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mosquitto says its not running but i think it might be others just wont start just tried to install studio code server click start get a quick spinning circle then nothing

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had this issue in the past with a VM upping memory helped there but I dont have that option here

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any ideas what I can do

compact quartz
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@vivid grove did you reboot host after the restore?

vivid grove
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yeah done it multiple times

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some have started ok but others not so much mqtt broker says its not running but logs look like it is

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I was gonna just do a clean rebuild but after spending most of the last 2 days fixing issues I decided against wasting the whole weekend rebuilding

shut cedar
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It probably stops/crashes then. Are the logs saying anything?

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How much memory did you had on your VM?

vivid grove
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4 gig

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im not running loads though

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9 addons currently and 4 of those wont start

compact quartz
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@vivid grove just to be certain, you rebooted host and not a HA restart. Restarting HA only restarts Home Assistant and not add-ons or the OS

vivid grove
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oh so I should be unplugging it?

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I did not know that

compact quartz
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No

vivid grove
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ok so what then

compact quartz
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Settings > System > Hardware

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3 dots in the upper right corner

vivid grove
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yeah found it

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doing it now

compact quartz
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All addons run independent of each other and of HA

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So when you restart home assistant, nothing happens to those other than losing their connection to home assistant

vivid grove
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ok so fingers crossed that fixes it i kind of need mqtt broker

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that worked thank you f

buoyant flare
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What's the Yellow USA warranty? The enclosure says "for the period lawfully stipulated starting from the date of original purchase", but I can't see any other duration listed. No problem, just curious.

dusky hollow
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So who else got the email about Sorry we can't give you what you already paid for (NVMe) I mean really AITA? I have not said a word about any of the delays, going on a year now and you can't or won't find a new supplier to provide what you promised and instead tell me well you can spend more money or just not get that? If I didn't want it, I wouldn't have ordered it. COME ON MAN!

loud swift
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Seems like that one was a Crowd Supply specific thing that was linked into the Yellow project. (The "From the Crowd Supply Basics project" subtitle).

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That said, 130 bux for a 256GB Sandisk, is like pharmacy price.

dusky hollow
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💯

limpid sequoia
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The nvme prices where ridiculous.
The most basic one does the trick with the single 2nd gen pice line from the pi which gives us 500 mb/s - protocol overhead.
I myself got a “removed from laptop before use” micron 2300 256gb for 25 bucks

fresh bough
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Yeah, I'm also looking for used nvme currently, should be a lot in the market

limpid sequoia
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Especially on smaller sizes like 128 or 256

fresh bough
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Yeah, that's my biggest issue, I need two 512s

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Or thereabouts

limpid sequoia
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Sounds quite big for basic operation. what are you planning to run on HAY?

fresh bough
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OS drive mirror for my production system

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Gonna put it on a pcie card and shuck it in the back since I need the 8 2.5" bays , and I need to add room for 16 more eventually

compact quartz
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And it's going to likely be the same for separate CM4s ordered through crowd supply. Nobody can get them.

dusky hollow
loud swift
summer arch
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You can get a samsung 980 pro 1tb at amazon with nbd shipping for the price of the crowsupply one. Do not complain, they actually did you a favor...

limpid sequoia
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The free market prices are fine, I meant the price on crowdsupply (the suggested add ons right in the shopping cart), the want to sell a 256 for 130 or 512 for 200

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i can get the same WD PC SN530 for 24 and 90 on the internet. The markup is insane

fresh bough
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Jeez, that is almost as bad as cables at the electronics store

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90% or so one time i needed a svideo one

keen parcel
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Why are people putting such large SSD’s in these things?

fresh bough
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To keep camera data for years, or run a Plex server is my best guess

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Albeit both horrible ideas

limpid sequoia
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As technology progresses the smallest disk size of a ssd series gets bigger and bigger.
There is barely anything below 256 gig produced anymore, so its just easier to come by a 256 gig disk then an 128 or an ancient 64 gig drive
You can easily and cheap come by a a oem 256 drive that was thrown out of a brand new system unused for a 1 tb upgrade or so

shut cedar
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I use a 1TB just because that is the one I removed from my laptop (to replace with a 2TB) 😅

fresh bough
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I'm guessing @keen parcel was thinking more of the 1TB discussed than 256 @limpid sequoia

shut cedar
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It is kinda the power of using commodity tech: Compared to a eMMC, NVMe are cheap, powerful, standardized form factor and are easy to get 😎

fresh bough
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Nvme is still not the norm in enterprise even though we started touting it 5 years ago

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It's finally starting to gather Momentum though

shut cedar
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Good, so maybe they get even more affordable 😅

fresh bough
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Yes, that would be the outcome eventually

limpid sequoia
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If it is fast enough XD
We run DB solely in RAM and using NVME as cold storage when we need to reboot

fresh bough
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Like, you can get 10TB sas drives for $90 these days

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Any Intel Optane DC (persistent memory) @limpid sequoia ?

limpid sequoia
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while nvme slowly come around in speed to RAM, latency is still far off, also as far as I know from my colleague we are talking two digit TB size

clever shore
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Hello,

Complete noob here. My home assistant Yellow just arrived. I ordered it to be working out of the box. When I plugged it into the power and router, there are no indicator lights that light up and I am unable to access the home assistant local site.

Is the device defective or am I doing something wrong? Looked through the few set up videos online and it says it should boot up with lights flashing but nothing happens.

Thank you

graceful zealot
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Your cm4 (the pi) may have come loose in shipping. You might have to ensure its pushed down connected to the board. Others in here have had the same issues

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Someone else can provide ELI5 instructions if you need that

hidden garnet
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Is it possible to add Bluetooth to a pre-assembled Yellow without replacing the CM4 module? I.E. are there specific supported USB adapters or anything?

clever shore
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@graceful zealot i've removed the cover and pushed the cm4 down and seems to have a good fit, still no use.

shut cedar
shut cedar
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Check if the CM4 is indeed seated properly by looking from the side. Make sure the two PCBs are parallel

clever shore
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My bad, theres lights now, just needed abit more strength. Thanks @shut cedar !

ornate widget
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Just received my Yellow-Kit (Yah!). I also have a Aeotec Z-Pi7 and a NVMe disk that I want to use. I'd hoped to find some instructions with the yellow on how to install these extras and how to make them work. Is anyone able to point me in the right direction?

shut cedar
ornate widget
shut cedar
ornate widget
zinc rock
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Can I use PINE64 SOQuartz for HA Yellow?
The reason I'm asking is I assumed I could and it looks like its not working

shut cedar
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We haven't tried or verified, and there is no HAOS for that part... So not really...

shut cedar
zinc rock
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It looks a lot like the case on 10/05 where you made some changes to the image.
Also its the lite version

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When I plug the power on its just constant red and green

shut cedar
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Our Yellow installer/HAOS is for sure incompatible with that module. The module has a different SoC manufacturer, we don't have software for that particular SoC.

shut cedar
zinc rock
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Is it possible to get it working at all, or should I just put it in the bin and get a rpi cm4?

shut cedar
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It may be possible, I would need to investigate. But this is multple days/or even weeks work to get it properly integrated with HAOS

zinc rock
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Cool, let me know if I can be of any help

shut cedar
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I didn't say I'll do it. Currently, I don't plan on working support for those.

fresh bough
zinc rock
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No ofc not, if it gets started, ill like to help

fresh bough
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If it installs Debian fine

zinc rock
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Ill give it a try

rustic sand
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I've tried to add a USB Bluetooth but I'm struggling to get any USB things working

compact quartz
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What did you use?

rustic sand
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ZEXMTE BT-505

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Ah success! It was the CM4 module not being positioned right still! HA was all working fine, just the USB that wasn't. I've had another go at getting it seated tight with some plastic pry tools, and now I can see the Bluetooth module has appeared in the "All Hardware" list. Seems it's critical to get that module positioned just right, as everything else seemed to be working fine!

loud swift
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So I have my yellow set up and running. Does the yellow LED keep double pulsing?

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That's the heart beat. Can this be toggled off?

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Redneck engineering via electrical tape I guess.

rustic sand
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@wary pivot the Z-Wave USB adaptor is working now. Root cause was CM4 module not positioned right (despite HA working fine)

wary pivot
# loud swift That's the heart beat. Can this be toggled off?

On a regular RPi4 the LEDs can be disabled by adding the following to /boot/config.txt:

# Turn off Power LED
dtparam=pwr_led_trigger=none
dtparam=pwr_led_activelow=off
# Turn off Activity LED
dtparam=act_led_trigger=none
dtparam=act_led_activelow=off
# Turn off Ethernet ACT LED
dtparam=eth_led0=4
# Turn off Ethernet LNK LED
dtparam=eth_led1=4

Maybe it works on the Yellow too. 🤷‍♂️

loud swift
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I guess it should, because the patch for it modifies some .dts file where those things are defined.

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Thanks for the hint.

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Heart beat is "usr_led"

wary pivot
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Please let us know, if and how you get it working. I can imagine, more people would like a stealthy Yellow.

shut cedar
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You can via config.txt, but config on Yellow is slighly different. Let me look it up.

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@loud swift @wary pivot use the following in config.txt to turn off the three LEDs:

dtparam=act_led_trigger=none
dtparam=usr_led_trigger=none
dtparam=pwr_led_trigger=none
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The Ethernet LEDs probably work with the one above, but I did not test that.

wary pivot
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We cannot echo values to /sys/class/leds/... using a command_line switch, right?

loud swift
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Setting usr_led trigger to none worked. Thanks!

wary pivot
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I'm thinking about command_line switches to toggle those LEDs instead of completely deactivating them.
But I have no Yellow to test it yet.

loud swift
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What's this "eMMC lifetime used" metric? Cause it says 10% already.

wary pivot
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Same on the HA Blue. I suppose it's some result of the mmc-utils (kind of HDD SMART data). Nothing to worry about (the 10% value).

shut cedar
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Yeah eMMC lifetime used is an estimate as reported by the eMMC. I think its reported step wise, 0-10%, 10%-20% etc. and we show the upper value of each step.

shut cedar
wary pivot
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I didn't expect that. Thank you for checking! The other ones are /sys/class/leds/PWR and /sys/class/leds/ACT , right?

shut cedar
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It is all lower case in Yellow device tree, so usr, act and pwr.

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No worries I have one two close 😄

dusk tiger
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Did any of you (the lucky ones) that received the Yellow in Europe from CrowdSupply have to pay additional costs for customs and/or taxes?

limpid sequoia
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Mine will be delivered today, so they at least didn't go to the customs office. Not sure if Fedex would collect on the door?

fresh bough
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They don't do that here at least

limpid sequoia
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Fortunately I'm in homeoffice, its a calm day workwise and today a "Talking Head/Could have been Mail" hourlong webmeeting.
So I have all the time in the world to drop cm4/nvme/z-pi7 in the hay, boot it all up and move all my zwave/zigebee and esphome devices over while that is going on and wasting energy

fresh bough
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Only one meeting? That's relaxing

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Best regards Mr 100% home office

limpid sequoia
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100 would be a dream, its 80% but I can soert it over the year as I like

fresh bough
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Yeah, that is fine, I will never go back to anything that is less than 80% probably

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The upside of a global pandemic

limpid sequoia
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Not that I could go into the office right now, with all the HO they use the chance for some renovations

fresh bough
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I go in one a month or so just to say hi and drag the kids out of the house

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Best way to get 45 year olds to start crawling on the floor

lucid viper
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Since my Yellow was also just delivered to my neighbor, I am now concerned with the question, how do I change from a Sonoff Zigbee stick to the module in the Yellow, would not like to relearn everything. Has anyone here already had their first experience?

limpid sequoia
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I hope that with the tax part I payed on CS thats off the table

grim topaz
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Todat I've received the Yellow kit. It was already assembled. Booting isn't working. Only the red led blinks permanently. What maybe wrong?

shut cedar
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@grim topaz most likely the CM4 unseated slightly. Please remove power, open the box and make sure the green CM4 is properly in place (press on the heat sink).

grim topaz
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I've pressed on the heat sink but it still doesn't boot.

shut cedar
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@grim topaz is the red LED still blinking? Is it a consistent pattern? If so, what is the pattern?

limpid sequoia
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Seating the CM4 does take a bit of pressure, imagine the uncomfortable feeling of the force of putting RAM in a motherboard

mellow geyser
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Looking forward to getting my yellow kit. 🤘

fresh bough
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For reference, the biggest system I currently work with scales to 768 DIMM slots, the older ones were only 512 slots

grim topaz
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@shut cedar The red light is not blinking only red constant light.

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@limpid sequoia It looks the CM4 is properly in place. It is not to simple to disassamble the heat sink because of the tapered plastic pins.

shut cedar
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@grim topaz so at no point the green or yellow LED lights up?

grim topaz
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Yes no green or yellow lights

shut cedar
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What type of CM4 are you using?

grim topaz
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The one I ordered. I didnt assemble it by myself. I think it is a CM4 without wireless and 2 GB RAM and 16 GB eMMC storage

shut cedar
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Ah ok, you wrote:

Todat I've received the Yellow kit.
So I was assuming it was the Kit version.

grim topaz
#

Yes

shut cedar
#

You probably already checked, but make sure it really is seated properly by looking into the side. The two PCB need to be parallel.

#

If that is the case, and you still only see the red light, send an email to yellow@home-assistant.io along with the serial number.

grim topaz
#

How to add a picture in discord?

shut cedar
#

Hm, not sure, maybe it needs some privileges. I contact you via DM, there it should work for you

limpid sequoia
#

How do I find out which device is which ttyAMA?
I have AMA0, 1 and AMA2 and I'm looking which my Z-Pi7 is
AMA0 should be the onboard ZigBee

fresh bough
#

It doesn't show device info in dmesg ?

grim topaz
#

Problem solved. JP2 was bridged. After un-bridging JP2 it starts to boot.

limpid sequoia
#

For now I only checked Settings Hardware all hardware, and there where more then expected

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I only expected The serial for the zigbee and the z-pi

shut cedar
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@limpid sequoia In the end, this is determined by the device tree. Essentially, a fixed order of AMA# <-> HW serial port is defined via device tree alias. In Yellow, that is:

ttyAMA0: UART0 (free, available on J11/"mini"-Raspberry Pi GPIO)
ttyAMA1: UART4 (on-board Zigbee radio)
ttyAMA2: UART5 (USB-to-UART converter, used as debug serial console)
limpid sequoia
#

ah, if onboard zigbee is set to AMA1 , then the z-pi might be the AMA0

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and as I set the AMA0, the controller appeared, thx

frail narwhal
#

Hi I have a question: Recived my Yellow today made a backup of my Rpi3 installed on Yellow thats work fine but only ESP home integrations works must I pair all my Zigbee devices with the Yellow or is there a easier way?

wary pivot
#

Just a little Z-Pi "warning": there are no regional firmware versions anymore, but just one firmware file for all. After firmware update to 7.18 or higher the controller's frequency might have changed to another region (eg EU to US). According to Aeotec support the frequency can be set by software, in our case by using ZWaveJS UI add-on.

limpid sequoia
#

Interesting, when I updated the controller a couple weeks ago to the then most recent FW there where still US and EU files.
Is an FW update possible through HA/Zwave JS or do I need to plug it into my other pi again?

wary pivot
#

There is an update script, which can be run in HA. Let me have a look.

shut cedar
frail narwhal
grim topaz
#

How long does it take to boot the yellow from usb the first time?

pine pilot
#

for me it took about 5 minutes to install the software only

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After that, the booting initially can take up to 20 minutes. For me it was far less.

fresh bough
#

depends on internet connection just like HAOS always does I guess

frail narwhal
pine pilot
#

I'm using zigbee2mqtt for a long time. Apparently I'm not out of the woods yet. backup/restore from TI towards silicon labs will be a challenge. I'm reading up still on z2m.io

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I have an interesting one. I installed the HAOS, and immediately restored a backup of today. My mosquitto won't start stating: 2022-10-11 16:10:53: Warning: Mosquitto should not be run as root/administrator.

I removed mosquitto, reinstalled mosquitto. Now I'm unable to modify my configuration (it won't save). it doesn't work. Anybody came across this already?

grim topaz
#

I've waited more than 30 minutes. Still no web interface. Ping is answered. Anything else I can do to troubleshoot? I've read there is a console via the USB-C port. Is that an option to troubleshoot?

shut cedar
shut cedar
#

Use screen or PuTTY with a baudrate of 115200 to get shell access. Probably best is to reboot when the shell is open to observe the boot log. Also ha os info, ha supervisor info, ha network info and ha supervisor logs can be helpful for debugging

pine pilot
# shut cedar I think we had a similar case last week and the solution was to reboot the entir...

I have ESPHome working now. It had a similar issue. It seems to be related to the network stack.

By default the system will start under DHCP and I want a static IP for my system as I have some wifi devices that need to MQTT into the yellow. So I set a static IP, however that breaks the installed addons. I have to check if that break persists across reboots.

However the not being able to write mosquitto configuration is persisting. I can't write new login data into the configuration 😦

  - username: blabla
    password: sekritshizzle```
shut cedar
#

I have to check if that break persists across reboots.
Quite possible that changed IP is not picked up by the addon somehow, and restarting the whole system helps here. But let me know your findings.

However the not being able to write mosquitto configuration is persisting. I can't write new login data into the configuration 😦
What happens?

pine pilot
#

If I go into configuration into the 'logins' section, I try to add a username and password. I don't get a subsection save button. Only a save button on the end. It doesn't save the changes.

However if I select edit in Yaml. I just edit it in Yaml and press save.

#

After this I can start mosquitto.
So it might be a bit user error from me? I'll check

#

It looks like I've overlooked a "save" button.
The elegance of the save buttons makes it easily overlooked.

shut cedar
#

Ok, thanks for the update!

grim topaz
shut cedar
#

USB Type-A (host side) to USB-C

grim topaz
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pine pilot
#

@shut cedar on which port is the internal Zigbee device? Apparently it's not on on /dev/ttyACM0

grim topaz
#

I have a homeassistant prompt in the console after booting the yellow.
I can login with root and then I get an shell (#) prompt. Is says "Use 'ha' to access the Home Assistant CLI.' But ha doesn't work. It seems HA is not installed yet.

wary pivot
pine pilot
#

ty!

frail narwhal
#

@shut cedar Hi again I took a backup of ZHA on my Pi but I dont understand how to restore it on Yellow if it under migrate radio I not understand the different settings.

pine pilot
#

Previously I used a TI dev board and now it's moving on to Silicon labs?

wary pivot
pine pilot
#

yes

wary pivot
#

Z2M needs more adapter parameters.

port: /dev/ttyAMA1
baudrate: 115200
rtscts: false
adapter: ezsp
pine pilot
#

Same player, shoots again.

#

Frontend starts, looks good. All that is missing is all my devices.
#nextchallenge 😉

#

Lets see if I can revert a backup from zstacks to silicon labs. If not, rejoin all devices.

wary pivot
wanton tapir
#

you can also upload the backup created on the other instance.

unknown.png
shut cedar
#

(this assumes you used the Home Assistant Backup function, and restore at onboarding or afterwards on Yellow)

wanton tapir
#

this should be true, the zigbee network backups are stored in the zigbee.db and will be part of the backup/restore

frail narwhal
pine pilot
#

@orchid prawn does z2m also have a "restore" for the backup? In the documentation I can only find the zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/backup.

shut cedar
#

@frail narwhal uh, I don't think he old radio should be plugged into the Yellow

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The backup is in a file already. With the Home Assistant Backup you transferred the network settings to Yellow.

wanton tapir
frail narwhal
shut cedar
#

Cool, today I learned 😅

frail narwhal
wary pivot
#

Well... Lewis (YouTube: Everything Smart Home) did a video about setting up the HA Yellow. He wasn't able to migrate Zigbee too and had to re-pair all devices. Maybe the different radio chips prevent a GUI migration. 🤔

#

Does your ZHA integration point to the correct radio (Integrations - ZHA - Configure)? It should be /dev/ttyAMA1 now and not the old device path.

pine pilot
#

Perhaps the best question I should ask/investigate right now with a Yellow is:
Is zigbee2mqtt going to support zigbee and matter simultaneously as HomeAssistant is about to do with the current chip. If not, it would make more sense to restart my zigbee network with the new chip entirely with ZHA?

shut cedar
frail narwhal
wary pivot
buoyant flare
frail narwhal
pine pilot
#

Wow, big dent in the wife acceptance factor. I restored my home assistant backup to the yellow. And it hijacked the cloud connectivity. With zigbee not working yet she can’t control the house. 😱

wary pivot
#

Have you already installed the climate control integration for anesthetic gas room injection? 😎

compact quartz
#

that's not really a hijack. That's doing what it is supposed to do

pine pilot
#

works as designed, I understand.

compact quartz
#

Your wife will be less accepting of you 😅

pine pilot
#

@compact quartz so looking at current developments. zigbee2mqtt with the yellow or zha ? I'm right now at the point of being able to make the choice. Because from what it appears to be: I can't migrate TI 26x2R to the silicon labs without restarting my entire network.

compact quartz
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I have not done a zha migration using the backup

pine pilot
#

I currently don't have zha. I'm expecting because of the 2 different chips I'll have to restart the network anyway.

#

I'm more looking at the software features now between z2m and zha.
Because of the whole addition of Matter

compact quartz
#

I tried waiting for the feature to arrive but I ended up creating a new zha integration and adding everything

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z2m is going to give you more customization options I think

pine pilot
#

Hence my doubts in which way to go. I'm familiar with z2m and it has always worked like a charm. Also supporting OTA updates. But if it doesn't support matter, what will I be missing out of .. #FOMO (Fear of Mattering out)

frail narwhal
astral knoll
#

Does the yellow have a power button or should there be some lights on when I plug it in? I think mine is dead.

pine pilot
#

pdt, did you put in the cm4 ?

astral knoll
#

it was preinstalled

pine pilot
# astral knoll it was preinstalled

sorry, had to ask as it comes in flavours. I had mine without pre-installed.

Normally the red led on the side would burn and the green/yellow flicker

wary pivot
buoyant flare
astral knoll
#

Thanks for the advice. That was the problem. CM4 wasn't seated properly.

wary pivot
#

Maybe it would be better to add the CM4s (with HA preinstalled) unassembled in future batches? 🤔

frail narwhal
wary pivot
#

@frail narwhal Maybe the people in the channel #zigbee-archived can help you with your problem - there might be some Zigbee expert.

frail narwhal
pine pilot
#

Good old funkyness.. backup restored. I landed in a good set of z2m errors 🙂

craggy willow
#

Quick question: Is the image being flashed using USB a special one?

I‘m asking because I did flashed my cm4 before with another image and of course provisioning with USB seems to not override the content (started the OS flashed before). What would be the quickest way to “reset“ or properly flash the cm4?

pine pilot
#

I see all my devices after a backup restore. Now I need to repair them somehow to talk to my new coordinator.

wary pivot
#

Try to start the Yellow with the USB inserted and hold the blue and red button.

craggy willow
wary pivot
craggy willow
wary pivot
#

You're welcome!

pine pilot
#

I've mastered it problems.
I'm happy for today. I'm not out of the woods yet, but most of my issues are solved.

  1. backed up from dockerized/nuc and migrated to yellow
  2. installed zigbee2mqtt and mqtt.
  3. restored a database backup of zigbee2mqtt. Now I have basic devices visible again. (migrating from TI26X2R to silicon labs zigbee)

🥳

dusky hollow
#

oh man the shipping delays are getting annoying. I would love to have a date when I can expect my yellow but it just gets pushed back every time

pine pilot
wary pivot
dusky hollow
#

Well the problem is that I don't know if I'm in the boat for one of the yellows of the first batch shipped to CS. Afaik it could be months before I get mine.

compact quartz
#

@dusky hollow so knowing wouldn't change anything 😛

#

you'd still get it when you get it

daring elbow
#

Received my yellow yesterday. Plugged it in today. No lights, no network activity, nothing. Checked the psu, good 12v supply. Gutted!

wary pivot
#

Unpower it and check if the CM4 is really in its connectors. May have come loose during shipping.
It should look like this:
#yellow-archived message

limpid sequoia
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Argh, finally mostly done.
Took me ages to get it all in, but I wanted a fresh clean new setup.
And I can finally retire the Hue v1 Hub.
Also, has anyone else the problem that you have to get your IKEA Tradfri things really close to register them?
Had to lay 5m Network and an extension cord to move my Yellow closer to the floalt panel so it would properly register, but operations itself run fine from the normal stand point

daring elbow
nova osprey
#

Yes, that is normal for Trådfri.

wary pivot
compact quartz
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@daring elbow I DM'd you

pine pilot
pine pilot
pine pilot
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Is there a way to disable the ZHA integration on the Yellow? Or hide it?
I have z2m running properly now, but the ZHA keeps showing up in my Integrations dashboard as an action item to configure it.

wary pivot
#

Isn't the ignore button besides the configure button? Or a 3 dot menu on the right corner with an ignore option?

sharp coral
#

Will an nvme with a heatsink fit on the yellow?

pine pilot
wary pivot
#

Have you tried to reboot the host?

pine pilot
#

multiple times this night

#

the 3 dots only have a link to documentation. Ignore is not an option.

wary pivot
#

Hmm. You could shut down Z2M temporarily, configure ZHA, deactivate ZHA and fire up Z2M again. Not elegant, but yeah... 🤔

wary pivot
twilit dust
limpid sequoia
#

Just to check in on the topic of temps
The case is around 34°C and the pi when having nothing to do is around 51°C, des that sound about right?

fresh bough
#

Is there a heatsink installed? Doesn't sound horrible for a pi

daring elbow
#

Got to say thank you to cogneato, fixed my issue. cm4 board was not fully seated! hero!!!

pine pilot
pine pilot
lucid viper
pine pilot
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waves to @lucid viper

pine pilot
limpid sequoia
#

And my 3rd Yellow order (from March) just shipped

lucid viper
#

@pine pilot thanks mate, that's it, now it works!!! You do not come by chance from a SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus and got your Backup working with out re-pairing?

glacial adder
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hi. My yellow arrived today. It comes up as March 11, fails to validate TLS for update server, and goes into some loop. Lots of hints that there is a serial console. Tried the USB-C, moved the USB-C recovery jumper, tried a TTL/USB on the J11, but didn't figure out which orientation that header is.

wary pivot
tawdry heron
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Hi everyone, I also got my yellow kit today. Raspi lite 4GB + m.2, I'm installing right now. Red and yellow leds are on constantly, and the green only blinks sometimes. It has been going like this for roughly 30 minutes, is it a normal time or should I start worrying, please?

tawdry heron
#

All right, disconnected and reconnected everything and the process and only took a few minutes to get to the stable red led. All clear, I'm sorry bothering for nothing.

glacial adder
shut cedar
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No USB serial device shows up
So you connected USB-C to your host and had the JP1 at the UART position, but no CP2102N USB device showed up on host side?

glacial adder
#

Trying again. Might work this time.

shut cedar
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The CP2102N is USB bus powered, so it should even show up with no power attached

glacial adder
#

"A start job is running for Wait Unt…Time Synchronized" on console.

shut cedar
#

Ok, so HAOS tries to synchronize time using NTP.

#

Two reasons this could fail:

  • DNS not working (hence system can't get IP of time.cloudflare.com)
  • NTP server not reachable (e.g. due to routers/ISPs firewall)
glacial adder
#

I don't think I provide an NTP server in my DHCPv4. No dig or host, so I can't really test the DNS lookup. /etc/resolv.conf looks sane. no ntpdate.

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hwclock doesn't have --help ... I guess some busybox version.

shut cedar
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Try resolvectl query time.cloudflare.com

glacial adder
#

looks good to me. Four answers, two v4, two v6.

#

ping 162.159.200.123

162.159.200.123 is alive!

ping 2606:4700:f1::123

2606:4700:f1::123 is alive!

shut cedar
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HAOS is essentially busybox + systemd + NetworkManger + docker wrapped in a read-only squashfs based file system. It is fairly stateless. That makes updating/downgrading relatively easy.

#

journalctl -u systemd-timesyncd

glacial adder
#

cool. But, # date 101312252022
Thu Oct 13 12:25:00 UTC 2022

shut cedar
#

🤔

#

So it did succeed ultimately then?

glacial adder
#

I see, I am providing DHCPv4 NTP from my openwrt box, but it isn't answering for NTP.

shut cedar
#

Hm, I see 🤔 😅

glacial adder
#

restarted kea. reboot yellow.

shut cedar
#

What is kea?

glacial adder
#

KEA is ISC's "new" (since 10 years) name for their DHCPv4/v6 server.

fresh bough
#

I've never heard that name before

glacial adder
#

Mine does DHCPv6-PD on the media lan, which is why I have it.

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kea is some libraries with a python main loop, and all policy in JSON, rather than screwed up custom parse that DHCP2,3,4 had.

shut cedar
#

Oh I see. But its not default on OpenWrt is it?

fresh bough
#

Ah, kea is the combined v4/V6 explains why I've never seen it, as heck, I've seen one customer use ipv6 the last 15 years

shut cedar
#

I use whatever OpenWrt delivers out of the box to do DHCPv6-PD and whatnot, it seems to work for me. Did you had any specific reasons to go for KEA?

fresh bough
#

That would be odhcpd by default it seems @shut cedar

glacial adder
#

Openwrt did not do DHCPv6-PD downstream. Does it now? (It can be a PD client, but I'm unaware of it being a PD server)

shut cedar
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Yeah that sounds familiar, I had problems at one point with my ISP on DHCP renews (upstream), and had to debug a bit into it 😅

glacial adder
#

I have a handful of openwrt client machines of various kinds, so I have an ISP setup for v6.

#

why my openwrt border router does not answer NTP is curious. Maybe firewall setting. I just changed the NTP setting to point at another machine.

fresh bough
#

Or you just aren't listening on the right interface with the NTP server

shut cedar
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Hm, I thought it does [support DHCPv6-PD], but now that I look at it maybe it doesn't. I remember I used prefixes downstream, but maybe I only manually assigned them. Today, I have all the networks which use a separate IPv6 network on the OpenWrt router itself.

fresh bough
#

The number of times I've forgot one tick box...

glacial adder
#

I created an account now, got to the integrations menu, I had clicked on more circle, and it didn't come back. I reloaded, and logged in, and all is well. thank you.

#

are you aware of the new IETF WG, called SNAC?

fresh bough
#

I've been waiting for 22 years for ipv6 to get going, still waiting

shut cedar
#

@fresh bough ugh that sucks. No options to go to a different provider?

shut cedar
fresh bough
#

Well, i have ipv6, I've had it for 7 years natively and 15 through tunnels, but tbh, noone uses it yet outside of consumer ISPs, the users just use it without knowing it

#

I have a single customer (of hundreds) that run it on their internal networks

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In any actual routing that is, lots of people use it with link local without knowing for sure

shut cedar
#

@fresh bough ah I know what you mean now 😅 . Yeah its a drag. I think the main issue is that lots of tech people think they understand it, but don't quite, and then avoid it because it "causes issues". Granted, it is not perfect, but the problem is it doesn't get as much testing and attention from the people which create the tech...

fresh bough
#

We use it internally in some of our products

#

Which works great for internal communication between nodes

shut cedar
#

Isn't it common in IPv6 environments to deploy global and ULA addresses?

wary pivot
#

Running Android devices in an IPv6 network is a pain if you want custom DNS and so on.

spring tundra
#

oh man, am I happy to see that this is a section in this discord..

#

could someone tell me if I should expect this yellow status led to ever stop doing its blink blink ... blink blink.. status?

#

I kind of figured a status light should just be solid if it was happy.. It's not like I can go to the manual for the device to see what this means or how to turn it off.

shut cedar
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Heartbeat is normal.

spring tundra
#

Well, thank you for that link.

#

I don't suppose there is a command to make it stop heartbeating

shut cedar
#

There is no easy way from the frontend, yet.

spring tundra
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@shut cedar Alright, thank you for the info. Appreciate it

wary pivot
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This would be my attempt to stop the heartbeat:

switch:
  - platform: command_line
    switches:
      yellow_heartbeat:
        command_on: 'echo default-on > /sys/class/leds/usr/trigger'
        command_off: 'echo none > /sys/class/leds/usr/trigger'
spring tundra
#

thanks

glacial adder
#

is there an official way to shut the device down... in order to move the outlets... ?

#

now that my serial console works... "poweroff", sure...

#

what is the link called "hassio" for? (just curious)

#

it's use of 172.30.32.1 actually shows up in the mDNS replies.

wary pivot
#

In Settings - System - Hardware the 3 dot menue in the top right. There you can select to shut the host down.

shut cedar
#

I think 10s pressing blue button does that

#

It's been a while, and haven't used that feature 😅

glacial adder
fresh bough
#

That controls frencks ejector seat, don't touch it!

shut cedar
glacial adder
compact quartz
compact quartz
lunar lichen
#

A question that just came to my mind...

Will the upcoming simultaneous use of this internal module for Zigbee and Thread (Matter) be limited to ZHA only, or will it also be possible to use Z2MQTT?

PS: Today is the 14th. It is still possible to place a bet on what will happen to the orders that have estimated shipment for today? 🤣

daring elbow
#

So moved my entire system to Yellow of the last few days. Only issue i have found is that Yellow will not work with the Ikea zigbee shortcut button. They are found, but no events are ever fired and doing a reconfigure gives 2 green ticks and the rest yellow fails. The Ikea remote control works though.

fresh bough
#

there were similar issues with conbee I know, where some features did not work in zha

#

might be related

#

so probably someone needs to fix something in zha

daring elbow
#

They were working fine with my conbee 2 using zha before the hardware change..

fresh bough
#

interesting, stuff working with conbee is always a surprise 😄

#

have you tried removing and repairing it?

wary pivot
#

Are you using the developer tools to listen for ZHA events or Node Red?

#

The shortcut button had/has a problem with the bindings to the coordinator. There was a possible workaround on Reddit.

shut cedar
#

Ah sorry, I see, Conbee 2 to Yellow. Hm, yeah not sure 🤔

languid gazelle
#

So I got the yellow yesterday, and this was a long year 😄 let's hope it was worth the wait. Maybe a stupid question, but I'm trying to setup Z2M, and I'm getting stuck at what port to use, as it's an onboard chip I don't know what path to use. What am I doing wrong and what should my configuration look like?

socat:
  enabled: false
  master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777
  slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5
  options: "-d -d"
  log: false
mqtt:
  server: mqtt://localIP:1883
  base_topic: zigbee2mqtt
  user: ********
  password: ********
serial:
  port: /dev/ttyAMA2```
wary pivot
#

These options are needed for the onboard Zigbee radio:

serial:
  port: /dev/ttyAMA1
  baudrate: 115200
  rtscts: false
  adapter: ezsp
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languid gazelle
languid gazelle
#

That did the trick and it might be the start of something beautiful. So I read that placing a Z2M backup back wouldn't work. I tried it just now and nothing is showing up. Do people have the same experience?

wary pivot
languid gazelle
#

Much appreciated, will dive into it 🙂

amber garnet
#

hi guys i think my yellow LED is not working at all. ot never goes on no matter what i do. So when i try to install the OS via USB i see the red and the green flashing sometimes

wary pivot
amber garnet
#

yes several times

#

i dont see the yello ligth flashing at all

#

also did a reset

#

when i install from the bootstick i see RED and very few time green. Also tried 3 different USB sticks

wary pivot
#

Have you checked the output of the serial console?

amber garnet
#

how do i do that?

wary pivot
amber garnet
#

does it work with MAC i dont have a PC

wary pivot
wheat pagoda
amber garnet
wary pivot
#

@amber garnet I'm sure one of the Yellow team can help you soon.

amber garnet
#

i am already in touch with via email. Lets see, hope its not broken and i have to wait another 6 month

wheat pagoda
#

Seems to be working now, going through the onboarding.

compact quartz
#

@amber garnet That's me in the email. Just came in here to see if you were here

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Have you created an installation usb?

amber garnet
#

i tried 3 different usb sticks. from USB2 and USB3

compact quartz
#

there's no usb3 on the yellow but that shouldn't be an issue

amber garnet
#

yeah i tried in case

compact quartz
#

I started a DM with you here

normal smelt
#

Hello everyone,
Do I need the yellow base to do the installation via USB stick on NVMe or does it also work with other base I/O boards (e.g. the CM4-IO-BASE-B from Waveshare)?

wary pivot
#

Will not work without tinkering with GPIOs. If two certain GPIO pins are open/low it detects the two buttons on the Yellow as pressed and all will be wiped on boot.

#

Not impossible, but semi-practicable.

normal smelt
#

Ok, you know which pins needs to be closed?

wary pivot
#

At least GPIO27 has to be in high state.

#

The other button would be GPIO26.

#

But both need to be in high state. Connecting those wouldn't work.

slim wren
#

hi, i received yellow kit today, and upon discovery it discovered two ZHA devices, one yellow, one ethernet gateway, i deleted yellow by accident, is there a way to add it again?

wary pivot
#

If it is disabled/ignored, you can find the option to show these in Settings - Integrations and the 3 dot menu at the upper right.

slim wren
#

no, i deleted it 😦

wary pivot
#

Otherwise you can add it using the + button on the lower right. ZHA and the device /dev/ttyAMA1.

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Or you try a reboot. Maybe it will be shown again as auto-discovered.

slim wren
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already tried, so probably needs reinstall 🙂

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also how can i make yellow use the m.2 ssd?

full crest
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Hello, just got my yellow. I restored a backup from my docker install. The yellow is pinging but the UI has disappeared. Do I just wait it out?

slim wren
humble cave
full crest
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im going in by ip, if it was ssl id get a security error?

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its a 1.3 g backup so im not sure if that affects it

full crest
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i cant login to the serial console either, it keeps spitting me out

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well, says login incorrect

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ah figured the login part out

full crest
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22-10-14 16:19:53 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.module] Can't restore origin data: [('/data/tmp/tmpazhd_4v1/data/home-assistant_v2.db', '/data/homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db', "[Errno 28] No space left on device: '/data/tmp/tmpazhd_4v1/data/home-assistant_v2.db' -> '/data/homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db'"),

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do i need an nvme?

graceful zealot
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How large is the storage you're installing it on

full crest
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whatewver the yellow comes with

graceful zealot
full crest
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Whatever it comes with by default then

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I have alot of unused add-ons on my docker install. I'll clear those out and see what happens

wary pivot
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How big is your backup? 🤔

graceful zealot
wary pivot
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I think he means the 2GB RAM/16 GB eMMC CM4 with the Yellow Std.

graceful zealot
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Ahh okay

full crest
full crest
silent crown
#

So it's 5:50 PM west coast time and my Yellow wasn't in this week's batch... I'm getting a little frustrated with the slipped dates with no communication. Has there been an update shared here in the last week that I've missed?

full crest
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i cleaned up a bunch of unused addons. the backup got bigger

full crest
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still have space errors. is the tmp directory only allowed to be a certain size?

hollow widgetBOT
full crest
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i ran a purge with 0 day retention, lets see if that works

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backup was 660MB it still puked

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22-10-14 20:03:19 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.module] Can't restore origin data: [('/data/tmp/tmp6lhfadkz/data/home-assistant_v2.db', '/data/homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db', "[Errno 28] No space left on device: '/data/tmp/tmp6lhfadkz/data/home-assistant_v2.db' -> '/data/homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db'")

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found a spare 1 tb nvme lets try that

full crest
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well that worked. what a PIA

quartz quest
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Should I be concerned that my yellow still hasn’t shipped? Because it’s getting very unfunny now…

I’ve always been supportive and understanding with delays since it’s a crowded project after all… and there are unexpected issues and challenges but delays after the product has started to ship is not funny and there’s really nothing to understand about…

Like the the need for a 7 day delay for the first and second batch is like 🤷🏻‍♂️⁉️ but I waited patiently… and now that date has come and gone… and this is all supposed done this way to leverage the capabilities of a multi national company with global shipping experience… it’s not like we are talking hundreds of thousands of units here

graceful zealot
quartz quest
compact quartz
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@quartz quest you shouldn't be concerned. There's more than two batches. I'd just be glad shipping has started and not think about it

sonic tartan
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I try to install my new yellow on CM4 lite on NVMe SSD following the provided guide.
The HAOS 9.2 installed by the yellow installer on my SSD is unbootable (the console output does not report any message, the red led and the green led stay on ) .
I tried also to install directly HAOS with the Raspberry PI imager on the SSD . Same behaviour.
To check my SSD I tried to install Raspberry PI OS Lite with the Raspberry PI imager on the SSD . It Boots !
I suspect the recent HAOS image provided by yellow installer and Raspberry PI imager not to be bootable. Is it possible or is it another issue ?

compact quartz
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I flashed a CM4 about 5 hours ago with the RPi imager from a Mac connected to the yellow. It's bootable.

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What's the ssd model?

sonic tartan
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Crucial P2 CT250P2SSD8 SSD

hollow widgetBOT
sonic tartan
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For information the partitions I have on my SSD after flashing HAOS (linux command parted) :
Numéro Début Fin Taille Système de fichiers Nom Fanions
1 1049kB 34,6MB 33,6MB fat16 hassos-boot msftres
2 34,6MB 59,8MB 25,2MB hassos-kernel0
3 59,8MB 328MB 268MB hassos-system0
4 328MB 353MB 25,2MB hassos-kernel1
5 353MB 622MB 268MB hassos-system1
6 622MB 630MB 8389kB hassos-bootstate
7 630MB 731MB 101MB ext4 hassos-overlay
8 731MB 2073MB 1342MB ext4 hassos-data

shut cedar
#

What HAOS image did you flash directly to the eMMC? Note that the Home Assistant OS image displayed on RPi Imager is not for Yellow

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Use the "Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow"

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Sorry I meant "directly to the NVMe"

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You can boot the Installer from NVMe, it will run in memory, and overwrite itself with the correct HAOS image for Yellow

sonic tartan
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I have first flashed with the yellow installer (using an USB stick flashed with RPI Imager ) with no success and in a second try I flashed directly the HA image to the eMMC (using an USB dock).
I will try your last suggestion to flash the installer on the NVMe .

shut cedar
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Hm 🤔. So if the RPi OS is able to load it means the RPi firmware can read from the NVMe somehow. We ship the very same firmwares. If something is loaded, you should at the very least see something on the serial console. Did you use the serial console via USB-C?

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We don't have it on the RPi Imager to avoid confusion

amber garnet
shut cedar
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From what I understand @sonic tartan uses a USB to NVMe adapter

amber garnet
#

aha ok

shut cedar
amber garnet
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i also have trouble getting my yellow to boot from the stick

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maybe my cm4 is not all cleard. i did already the reset several times but the yellow led never lights up for me

sonic tartan
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For the moment I flashed the installer on the NVMe with RPI Imager . It boots . I have a serial console on USB-C and I saw :
[ 436.737166] haos-flash[262]: Installing Home Assitant OS 9.2 to nvme0n1.
[ 588.263484] haos-flash[262]: Successfully installed Home Assistant OS, shutting down the system
When I plug the power back no message in the console and no boot at all

shut cedar
amber garnet
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how can i change the boot order ?

shut cedar
#

Probably easier to flash it using usbboot method

amber garnet
#

i could also install a m.2

shut cedar
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Change boot order needs usbboot as well, it's PITA

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M.2 is booting after the internal eMMC, so that won't help

shut cedar
amber garnet
shut cedar
amber garnet
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i am trying to flash the cm4 and i get stuck here always

RPIBOOT: build-date Oct 15 2022 version 20220815~145439 4d7adfd3
Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711...

shut cedar
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Hm, so it seems usboot waits for the CM4. Is JP1 set to USB, and JP2 set? Also make sure to remove power and add power again after changing the JP2 setting.

sonic tartan
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I have just flashed the provided linked image directly . Result : no boot , no message ... Incomprehensible ...

quartz quest
amber garnet
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the jp2 should be bridget to usb-c?

shut cedar
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Yes, JP2 needs to be bridged so that USB recovery via USB-C works.

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By bridge I mean the two pins need to be electrically connected

shut cedar
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You said previously that RPi OS booted. Do you remember which version you installed?

quartz quest
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I’m still hoping to get the step file for the board or the case so I can 3D print a mounting solution… where might I find that? I can’t seem to find it on GitHub

shut cedar
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@sonic tartan sorry for the hassle you have to go through. It seems to be a NVMe specific case, because I have tested the things on different variants and it works.

That said, with your tests so far its pretty much proven that it is a RPi firmware issue (start4.elf and friends on the first partition). We can try copy a different firmware to see if that makes it fly.

sonic tartan
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I think It was Raspberry PI OS LIte 32 bits (menu Raspberry PI OS others in the Imager ).

amber garnet
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can i flash on to my cm4 direct homeassistant?

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or only by usb stick?

shut cedar
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@sonic tartan so HAOS is using 48cd70fe84432c5d050637b61e4b7b9c831c98bf, whereas the installer uses 61966732d03de9b71baf561f920e018b54c241ac 🤔 . The Installer worked right? So I think we can use that one.

shut cedar
amber garnet
shut cedar
shut cedar
sonic tartan
shut cedar
sonic tartan
quartz quest
frosty forge
#

What is the advantage to get yellow instead of any other device or vm to host HA

supple robin
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I would see one advantage in that it is a single purpose device, not depending on any hypervisor.

  • you can directly plug in to the i/o instead of passing devices to it from wherever
shut cedar
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Yeah I think mstone summarises it pretty much. You also get a Zigbee/Thread radio included. You can also safe energy compared to a full x86, unless you have a x86 machine running anyways..

frosty forge
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What about a rpi4. How is yellow any better than a pi4

fleet cloud
upbeat olive
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i too am considering upgrading from a pi4 to Yellow. i'm maxing out many of the pi4 resources and things are slightly laggy

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except... i'd need a CM4 board which i can't find under $100 anywhere

fleet cloud
fresh bough
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If you are looking for more performance a cm4 compared to a pi4 won't be an upgrade

#

It is apple vs apple

pearl frigate
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My CS order finally shipped, unbelievable…

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Reading through all the comments here it appears m.2 ssd install/boot seems problematic

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Are those single occurances/exceptions or is this a general problem for all?

modern cipher
#

@upbeat olive you might try overclocking your pi4 to see if it makes a difference. Make sure you've got a cooling solution of some sort though

dusky hollow
keen parcel
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I ordered on launch day 🫠

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PoE kit though, so I have a while to wait still

fresh bough
#

2025 you say Sadness

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Curious if this will affect it @keen parcel

keen parcel
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Ugh

tender arrow
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Not really... AFAIK there are little ASML US employees working on the DUV machines that China gets.

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Also, the employees 'indirectly' working is not even that strict. My colleague is from the US and is allowed to just continue testing and calibrating the machines in our Veldhoven Factory.

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I don't have any numbers (and if I had I couldn't share them anyway), but it's not like the machines they already have stop working all of a sudden 😂

pearl frigate
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But how about the m.2/nvme ssd boot - is this working for anyone here?

compact quartz
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@pearl frigate as with Rpis, the choice of drive appears to come into play. It works on mine

lucid viper
sonic tartan
spring tundra
fresh bough
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I believe I saw that if you have a cm4 without emmc it will default to the nvme, if you have a cm4 with emmc it will default there and you have to move data drive @spring tundra @shut cedar can probably confirm

shut cedar
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That's correct 💯

spring tundra
sonic hull
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any way to get shipping updates? my yellow kit was supposed to ship on the 14th...

blazing aurora
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Mine was suppose to ship on Oct. 7th, got word that they could not supply the ssd, nothing since. About ready to cancel and stay with rpi4 and Argon 1 with ssd.

sonic hull
#

ah i ordered the bare kit

vapid tulip
junior gulch
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Yeah, you think that they could at least keep the excuses current. So now that some people got one, did a bunch of us get a generic ship date and the amount shipped is much less than the number of people promised the same ship date?

lunar lichen
# vapid tulip Same here, an update would be great. My yellow kit has changed from expected to ...

Me too. Shipping date moved from Aug 19th to Sep 30th. Then to Oct 4th and now to Oct 14th.

All in all that is an "improvable" story in regards of communications 🤣 .

What "scares" me a little is the plain math behind the numbers.
If the information is right that they have received ~2050 units so far and that we are nearly 7000 backers .... There is a gap which is most likely bigger than the amount of ordered PoE kits (which are delayed until Q1 23).

fresh bough
sonic hull
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you would hope that the estimated shipping dates in crowdsupply were based on some sort of reality

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but the silent slipping of dates worries me

fleet cloud
#

The convenient distancing from CS or blame game when deliveries failed/were delayed are disturbing

regal spindle
#

I've been trying to setup my Yellow Kit with a CM4Lite and a NVMe drive, but nothing has worked so far, I have ordered a USB enclosure, but are their any other things I could try to get it going?

compact quartz
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@regal spindle What NVMe drive are you using?

sonic tartan
# regal spindle I've been trying to setup my Yellow Kit with a CM4Lite and a NVMe drive, but not...

You have the same approach as mine with a few days delay. When I got my USB enclosure, I was able to verify that my NVME card was working. I was able to flash the Yellow Installer on the NVME and curiously it boots. On the other hand, it is still impossible to boot both HAOS installed by the installer and a HAOS image flashed directly.
I suspect more and more a weird incompatibility of some NVMe (it seems that some are booting) . Mine is a Crucial P2 CT250P2SSD8.

lucid viper
sonic tartan
lucid viper
calm herald
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Hello - I just migrated to a new #yellow-archived and the ZHA devices installed for my Sonof Stick were fine after I plugged that stick into the usb port of my yellow. To run some devices that are not available in ZHA yet I want to use the built in Zigbee interface for ZigBee2MQTT. Can someone help me with the right port adress of that inteface - I am not able to identify it in the Hardware list and searching for ZigBee just shows me the Sonoff Stick.

lucid viper
thorn nexus
calm herald
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Thank you - I had not found that

regal spindle
ornate orbit
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Can I install e.g. Ubuntu on my yellow if I flash it directly onto the NVME card? I wanted to try out Container mode, but haven't found much on SSD boot

wary pivot
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You could - at least the version for the RPi. But you'd have to figure out which drivers to install and how to interact with the boards components yourself.

ornate orbit
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Ah, so Pi OS would work but other distros would need extra drivers, or does Pi OS need those too?

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Wait, thought wrong. You are right, Yellow has some custom hardware lol

fresh bough
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might work out of the box, depending on how custom it actually is

ornate orbit
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If at least Internet works that would be a huge plus. At least I can work with SSH then

shut cedar
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At least Raspberry Pi OS does work on the Yellow (it chooses the standard CM4 device tree). I'd assume that Ubuntu behaves similar

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A lot of things are pretty standard. USB I think needs an overlay if the regular CM4 device tree is used. Also an overlay to enable extra UARTs.

ornate orbit
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Will the NVME just boot like that or do I have to specify the boot order? I only got my hands on a eMMC version. I didn't install anything on eMMC yet

fresh bough
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With an interactive installer I guess you can install it to any device you want and it will be handled by the bootloader

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Albeit, my experience with pi boot is generally atrocious 😄

shut cedar
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Yeah, it does try to boot from eMMC first, but will skip if you install directly onto the NVMe.

ornate orbit
shut cedar
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If you have an older NVMe, the firmware might not be able to boot from NVMe. In that case you have to update that.

fresh bough
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Yes, or a kickstart file to specify it the installer details

shut cedar
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The Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow brings the latest firmware with it.

ornate orbit
fresh bough
#

It has a console at least

ornate orbit
ornate orbit
# fresh bough It has a console at least

Ah, you are right. I could probably just connect the LAN port and then SSH into the Yellow. That should work with installers right? At least thats my experience with Ubuntu installers, only difference beeing that those were GUI

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And Pi OS installer is console I think

fresh bough
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It has a serial console over usb afaik

ornate orbit
ornate orbit
spring tundra
sonic hull
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aha, they just slipped my date another week

junior gulch
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me too, now october 21, one week exactly, definitely BS, not founded on actual data of any kind.

sonic hull
#

hmm

#

"Today we have good news: The first batch of the Home Assistant Yellow and Yellow Kit variants arrived at the Mouser warehouse! The units have started shipping as of today, and the remaining orders from this batch will ship through the rest of this week!"

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that was oct 4

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given that there hasn't been a project update since then, makes me think that the first batch has been in and out, and that's that

#

if you're not part of the first batch, then ?? who knows.

pearl frigate
#

I got mine on Monday, and can confirm it’s real

fresh bough
#

Did you try the bite test?

#

Like all people do in the movies on coins

sonic hull
# pearl frigate I got mine on Monday, and can confirm it’s real

yeah i know there's a few out there, it's just been dark as far as comms go around crowdsupply/nabu casa/etc. like if they put up a blog post saying "hey folks, first tranche is out the door, second lot is going to hit mouser on <x> date and will go out after that..." then it'd go a long way to reassuring me that it's, you know, happening. silently slipping dates isn't cool.

junior gulch
#

Agreed, perhaps they could give order number cutoffs for the first batch, and when the second batch will be shipped, delayed, arrive, get stuck in customs, take 2 weeks to ship to the distribution center, etc.

limpid sequoia
#

If I remember correctly NC said they don't get much information from the CS backend, only a couple numbers like how much of each type ordered, but no details on the orders, so Ordernumber-cutoff would probably difficult

#

If it helps to orient in the timeline, my Kit Orders from December '21 as well as February and March '22 where shipped and have arrived

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Although I have the sneaking suspicion that there is no real order to CS/Mousers shipping

shut cedar
shut cedar
shut cedar
#

@sonic hull @junior gulch did you order other parts (from the Crowd Supply Basic section) in your order? Maybe this additional items affected the shipping priority.

sonic hull
#

honestly leaving a bad taste in my mouth about HA/nabu casa/crowdsupply.

graceful zealot
#

Crowdsupply seem to be the ones fucking it up

fresh bough
#

I'm gonna say it might be you doing it @graceful zealot ! Global conspiracy!

graceful zealot
#

Which is better than you using Pis as vapes

fresh bough
#

I knew it!

#

I knew it!

#

Explains the drafts in AU houses

sonic hull
graceful zealot
#

Given you don't need a yellow to run HA, it shouldn't come into the equation

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And if NC aren't getting any reliable or good info from crowd supply then they really can't do much

sonic hull
#

It's on the HA blog with this wording...."We designed Home Assistant Yellow from scratch for both beginners and home automation enthusiasts to be the easiest way to run Home Assistant."

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Like, how else can you interpret that

graceful zealot
#

Yes. It is the easiest way to run HA. Just like buying a prebuilt PC is also the easiest way to get a PC. You don't have to follow what its given

graceful zealot
sonic hull
#

As for running HA, sure. I have it on a pi4 with a USB ZigBee doodle.

sonic hull
graceful zealot
sonic hull
#

Yeah ok.

tender arrow
#

Estimated 21st of October now...

fresh bough
#

2022? 😄

pearl frigate
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~850 parcels within three weeks, this are about 50 per day or seven per hour. It appears there’s about one fte assigned to the task …

wary pivot
#

Each one packed with love! 🤣

fresh bough
#

Handwritten letter? CatKISS

regal spindle
#

finally was able to see what's going on, and it isn't recognizing the drive and since I have a CM4Lite, that means there is no drive to install to, so in the serial log I get the message "No storage media found, exiting." I have a WD Black SN770, anyone else experiencing issues with that drive icm with a Yellow?

shut cedar
compact quartz
#

@strange sphinx had a WD Black SN850x which wouldn't work, and then a Samsung worked fine

#

Samsung 980

regal spindle
shut cedar
#

Hm, that means the NVMe indeed did not get detected 😦

#

Is lspci saying something?

shut cedar
pearl frigate
#

Do we have any positive lists of working ssd? Sound like WD is 👎and Samsung is 👍 so far

limpid sequoia
#

My Micron drive worked without problems as well

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If WD drives are indeed a problem that would spell trouble for all who have bought a drive from Crowdsupply, as they are selling the Western Digital PC SN530

signal oasis
#

I am using Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB M.2 SSD, which does work ok.

vivid grove
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Im using a WD drive in my yellow and its fine as a storage drive at least

sonic tartan
# shut cedar Can you try again with the files from that link? Make sure to properly download ...

I downloaded both start4.elf and fixup4.dat files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/61966732d03de9b71baf561f920e018b54c241ac/boot (fixup3 was a typo in my post...) .
I replaced the two existing files of the same name in the hassos-boot partition with these new files.
The result was no boot without any message on the console.
However I guarantee that the yellow installer on the SSD boots well.
I will soon have another SSD (Samsung 980). I'll let you know about the behavior.

vapid tulip
#

I see my yellow kit order has silently updated (again) with an expected shipping date of Oct 21, 2022

drifting kestrel
#

Estimated to ship: Jan 27, 2023 …

#

After long long time off waiting, I have used Sonoff dongle + waveshare cm4 with SSD and it feels… that the yellow is not needed anymore 😂 but I still hope that the yellow give me the advantage to use zigbee and matter at the same time 😉

shut cedar
shut cedar
sage walrus
#

I'm having a hell of a time migrating from my Synology dockerized HA over to my new Yellow. This is my first experience with HA OS and I kinda miss my old manual Docker management. What I'm stuck on now is the ability to mount my Synology media drive as an HA media folder over SMB.

  • mkdir -p /media/foo && mount -t cifs -o sec=ntlm,user=_,password=_ //192.168.0.100/Music /media/foo gives me a reliable mount: mounting //192.168.0.100/Music on /media/foo failed: Permission denied error every time, even though that command works from my laptop
  • my hunch is that because I'm SSHed into the OS (and not the supervisor) these permission errors aren't due to SMB, they're because you're not allowed to mount inside a docker container - can anyone confirm?
  • then I tried to gain root access to the supervisor and I'm stuck here too. I plugged my FAT-formatted USB stick named CONFIG containing cp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /Volumes/CONFIG/authorized_keys, ran ha os import (but that command succeeds whether the USB stick is plugged in or not), and ssh root@homeassistant.local -p 22222 -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub refuses my connection. I don't know how to debug this.
  • The Hardware tab shows nothing but the Yellow device, neither this USB stick nor my old Conbee II while trying to migrate radios. Should it? I'd hate to suspect I got a box with bad USB ports, but...

Halp?

vapid tulip
shut cedar
#

Yeah that sucks, I think the amount/cutoff is currently at the wrong number of Yellows. I assume you ordered a Kit? If so, you can expect your order most likely in January.

shut cedar
sage walrus
shut cedar
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It should be by default, just assume it is 😅

#

ha os import essentially triggers hassos-config.service, you can check what it reported by calling journalctl -u hassos-config.service.

wary pivot
#

I'm mounting a SMB-share to the media directory by a shell_command and calling that service by an automation on HA start. Works fine for me.

shell_command:
  mount_smb: mkdir -p /media/smb-share;mount -t cifs -o vers=3.0,noserverino,user=USERNAME,password="PASSWORD",domain=WORKGROUP //IP-ADDRESS/SHARE-PATH /media/smb-share
fresh bough
#

Might be better to use a credentials file

#

It is described in the mount man file

wary pivot
#

Yes, in my setup the credentials are in the secrets file.

sonic tartan
# shut cedar I expect the Samsung will work. But I wonder what is going on exactly. Since the...

I now have the SAMSUNG 980 SSD. It boots and I installed HAOS without any problems on my CM4 lite. I am very happy.
I spent a lot of time with the Crucial P2 and made you waste time too. However, this lost time is not lost for future users who now know that there is currently a risk of incompatibility to use Crucial P2 as boot disk. Maybe if you try on your side with this SSD you will find a solution (if this is the case even if I gave up using the crucial for HAOS I am still interested to know). Thank you for your availability and your advices.

sage walrus
wary pivot
#

I can run these commands in the Terminal and via SSH directly.

sage walrus
wary pivot
#

I am on HA OS using a HA Blue. It also worked on a Hyper-V VM.

wary pivot
#

I would suggest to try two things:

  • remove the option "sec=ntlm" (that can cause the error "permission denied")
  • if you try to mount a FritzBox media share, add the options "vers=3.0" and "noserverino" (if the FritzOS version is 7.0 or higher - if it is 6.x or lower use "vers=1.0")
tender arrow
#

Any idea how the Yellow gets delivered in Europe? Got a mystery package tracking from bpost (Belgium) with not a lot of information.

#

Looking in PostNL tracking I can see the following.
EDIT: it was not the Yellow, just another Kickstarter 😮‍💨

Screenshot_20221019-1957452.png
#

Should the Crowd Supply order page update with a new status or tracking code?

limpid sequoia
#

I'm in Germany and mine came with Fedex

storm prawn
#

My Yellow order has updated. New ETA for shipping of POE model is Jan 27 2023, was July 31 2022. Hopefully there are no more delays. Starting to get a little annoyed and frustrated with the delay in ETA updates from Nabu Casa and Crowdsupply. What is the latest update on the redesign of the POE version due to the EMI emissions? Has the full approval gone passed?

graceful zealot
storm prawn
compact quartz
#

@storm prawn there aren't really any ETA updates from Nabu Casa at this point. All of that comes from crowd supply/mouser

storm prawn
#

Note the line that says "the full approval will still take a few days". So has the full approval gone through?

compact quartz
#

That will be posted when so

fleet cloud
#

Understabably we’re somewhat sceptical about the posting of news on the topic of the yellow

shut cedar
#

Unfortunately, approvals are really annoyingly lengthy process. But this week we did get draft reports of all tests, and everything passed 🎉 . These draft reports need to get internally approved by the testing house. This is mostly formality from what I understand. Last time this took another couple of days.

sage walrus
sage walrus
wary pivot
sharp coral
lyric drum
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Does anyone know how to get Zigbee to work with Pi OS? Everything else seems to work fine for me with HA in a docker install. I've changed the device tree to that of the yellow, not sure which overlays i need.

wintry stream
thorn yacht
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My yellow is close. Sadly it was fedexed. We don't have a good covering for FedEx. They only work on weekdays.
And the options to have it delivered to a pickup point are limited in the Netherlands.
So I rerouted the package to work.
DHL would have been a better option for the Netherlands

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But it is close, so this is not a complaint, but just a heads up, if somebody cares lol 😋

pearl frigate
shut cedar
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In theory, I think yes. But I don't know if we have the drivers enabled in the OS for that particular chip. Also, the BCM2711 chip's PCIe part (on the Compute Module 4) has problems talking to some PCIe devices it seems. So... Maybe 😅

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This indicates someone tested with a RPi device...

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fleet cloud
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I run HAOS a compute module 4, currently on an IO board. When/If the yellow arrives, is it just to move the compute module to the yellow and reconfigure the zigbee stick?

cinder sleet
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Hey all, so I'm using a spare CM4 for my Yellow, which came today. I went the rpiboot method [was already being used for something else], set up the jumpers, flashed the 'Yellow OS Installer' to the mounted drive, un mounted, reversed everything. On boot, I get static red [D4] and green [D5] LEDs, but yellow [D6], never lights up. I can see the network LEDs look like they're up to something, but I can't tell what. Is USB-C only debug? Can I use it to do video out to watch boot? [thanks ahead of time for any input!]

wary pivot
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The Yellow hat no video output soldered on. You can connect to the serial console via the USB-C port.

cinder sleet
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found out that if I replace the boot4.dat and the fixup4.dat using the files from #yellow-archived message, the Yellow does start to show the initial heartbeat yellow led at boot using rpiboot method. Unfortunately after 3x rounds all LEDs power off [system off, assumption].
Raspberry Pi Imager flash of current HA Installer for yellow still just gives static christmas LEDs after green blinks once

errant cloak
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Hey all. I have ordered my Yellow in early August and my shipping dates keep getting pushed back. I assume many of you have a similar experience. Do you know if I can expect to be in that batch of initial shippings for HA Yellow? Or will I need to wait again? (I ordered the Yellow with PSU and without a CM4

wary pivot
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If you have ordered August of this year, I would expect you to be in a later batch. The crowdfunders and early pre-orderers should be served first (if CrowdSupply gets it right).

errant cloak
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I kind of expected that at this point. Do you know what is the best way to get in touch with the team for a refund?

wary pivot
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But keep in mind that my assumption was exactly that - an assumption. If you want to know it for sure, you should contact Nabu Casa.

errant cloak
wary pivot
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Choose wisely 😎

errant cloak
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I definitely will 😁 I wouldn't even be that pissed if the delivery date would have been more realistic to begin with. My initial est. date was like Aug 12th with the last update being shared in late July, so it seemed realistic. But right now I don't even have a hub for all my gear, so that is an annoying situation to be in 😅

wary pivot
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Well... mine is estimated to ship Jan 27th 2023. 😆

errant cloak
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At least that sounds somewhat realistic 😁 👍

blazing aurora
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I ordered my Yellow w/ power supply and cm4 on Sept. 16, 2021. I have gone passed many ship dates. I had originally ordered it with a ssd, but Crowd Supply cancelled the ssd. The last ship date was for today, but it is almost 2100 now and no shipping info. I guess I will wait until next week and cancel the order. I am trying to file a complaint on CS with the better business bureau, but luck so far. I won't use CS again.

errant cloak
blazing aurora
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Shipping dates don't mean much. I contacted master card, they said to let them know when cancelled and they will refund the money.

compact quartz
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@errant cloak there's no reason to reach out to Nabu Casa for shipping details. There aren't any details about batches or specific order IDs

keen parcel
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Are there actually any documented cases of Crowd Supply not sending out units to backers?

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There have been delays, sure. And their communication seems to suck.

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It would be pretty unfortunate to have waited this long and then cancel your order at the 11th hour when your unit is about to ship

tender arrow
compact quartz
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Right, but at this point keeping up with the shifting ship dates would be an obstacle I'd expect.

compact quartz
keen parcel
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Peeps need to stop complaining and be patient.

full crest
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I got my yellow working, had to put in bigger storage to migrate off of my container install. I'm having an issue where occasionally automations lag several seconds. It's particularly noticeable with motion automations. I don't see cpu or ram spikes during this time. Any thoughts of what to look at or try?

graceful zealot
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What are your automations doing

full crest
# graceful zealot What are your automations doing

Most just turn on lights when motion is detected, I'm running ZigBee based lights and sensors. Using the onboard ZigBee concentrator and zigbee2mqtt. I also see lag in the UI sometimes that mirror the kind of time lag I see with the automations. When I ran a container everything was instant.

slim wren
errant cloak
# keen parcel Peeps need to stop complaining and be patient.

Its not so much about the being impatient. It's just incredibly annoying when you order a product based on a date the company must have known is impossible to meet. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with that if the date was more realistic to begin with, now I have planned my whole setup around it and am still waiting for the most important component

modern cipher
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What's tying you to this device?

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I'm just curious

slim wren
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I do understand, i created oci free machine and bought zigstar zigbee gw while waiting, now i found out that setup in oci is actually better (for mne) and trying to figure out a way to use both in kinda cluster and have yellow as an backup. Thought honestly I'm pleasantly surprise that the device arrived and is working, i did not expected that crowdfunding anything to actually arrive and work.

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https://i.imgur.com/zC3kmpn.png still the zigbee thing is so weird, but i found out that if I add both coordinators only the one I added first is actually working in ZHA

limpid sequoia
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I'm currently trying to install another Yellow, and I'm getting two error codes, at the start 3-1 for SPI EEPROM error - Pi 4 and then 4-5 for Fatal firmware error

limpid sequoia
vivid grove
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I had the fatal firmware issue and it was fixed with rpiboot recovery but I was guided through the process once it was ascertained what the exact error was

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im not suggesting you do a recovery Im just saying all may not be lost

abstract wharf
junior gulch
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Well, my ship date was yesterday and no update and no shipping and nothing.... as usual, what a bunch of baloney. If they were in the warehouse, they would all have been shipped already, it does not take weeks to ship from the warehouse, it takes a couple of hours. they keep slipping my ship date, but that would mean there would have to be shipments on the water. It would be nice to have a little truth for once.

limpid sequoia
vivid grove
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dont need an io board

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just a pc and a usb c cable

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you can download rpiboot to pc but as I say I was walked through it as I didnt have a clue but now all is working as it should

limpid sequoia
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Thanks for the info. I'll try to read up on it, maybe I can get it to work. I assume I'll have to set the USB C recovery jumper on the board and then connect through USB C?

full crest
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Here's the hw usage I'm seeing. Those spikes are interesting but don't seem to correspond to slowness

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Guess I can't put screen shots here

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Cpu spikes up to 20 percent every 30 seconds or so 5 percent valley

compact quartz
limpid sequoia
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Thank you so much, worked perfectly, is currently installing

limpid sequoia
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And all fine and working, thanks again. I doubt the dealer would have had stock to replace if I had gone for a no boot replacement request.

errant cloak
# modern cipher What's tying you to this device?

I don’t have a ZigBee hub right now because I just moved and started out fresh. I intended to use HA as a hub for all my devices (mostly Tradfri and Hue) without having to buy the manufacturer bridges and tie them together using HomeKit. I‘m not really keen on buying one or two hubs just to bridge the gap for a product that has its shipping date pushed back four times so far

modern cipher
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@errant cloak I feel your frustration but that doesn't explain why you are tied to this particular device. Just get something comparable

errant cloak
limpid sequoia
rugged lodge
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I am currently reading the order cancellation email. I have to say, it's a blow to me. I have also already bought an SSD which is currently useless to me, but more importantly I need to acutely replace my current rpi4 which I have to delete the db file regularly so it doesn't crash and really needs replacing. Do you have any other suggestions for a similar solution?

fleet cloud
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What order cancellation e-mail?

vale ember
fleet cloud
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Oh, okay. Shame but have a look at berrybase.de. They’ve had a few in stock for a while. I’ve bought a few for other projects. Maybe they’ll still ship the board, just not the cm4

wispy galleon
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waiting over a year and then get a cancellation

graceful zealot
wispy galleon
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And I still can order a Home Assistant Yellow without POE which includes a CM4. This is just a joke for me

rugged lodge
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However, according to the email it looks like they are sending the board with the box (I still sent an inquiry just to be sure, I have to deal with changing the card anyway). Yes I'm still annoyed because I was able to get cm4 myself in the spring/summer period. Now it's disassembled (at least as far as the top model with emc). Although I'm thinking I was going to run it on SSD anyway, so I might as well get some lite version on Amazon.

bronze compass
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On the up side, at least the cancellation gives the option to cancel the yellow as well.

fresh bough
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My internal predictions is chip market as a whole will be back to normal at earliest summer 2023

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@graceful zealot

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So probably realistic winter 2023

vale ember
fresh bough
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Let's say, I know stuff from people who know stuff from markets that know stuff and make extrapolations based on said data for my own predictions D:

latent fern
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stop pretending that you're not a time traveler

wary pivot
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Well, he still hasn't got the Discord role "Time Lord".

fresh bough
rugged creek
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Hi all - I tried doing a bit of googling before posting this but I just got the Yellow device, which will be (is?) my first HA installation. I installed all the hardware including an SSD, made the boot drive, powered on while connected to ethernet, even got to the "HA is setting up" screen, but when I returned to it all I see is a loading icon on the :8123/onboarding site and it says "Something went wrong loading onboarding, try refreshing". I've tried unplugging it and then removed the USB stick, then plugged power back in but it keeps coming back to this screen. Everything on google that I've found so far seems to be about custom installs, but this is just the base HA.

supple robin
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Have you clicked the blue dot?

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Why is there no hint to click the blue dot on trouble? Thats a classicj wth

rugged creek
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It's actually stuck on the spinning loading screen. I'll just try factory resetting again and doing it one more time.

dawn girder
fresh bough
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At this point I'm just guessing they'll stop producing them and make the cm5 with different hardware as a design way around the chip shortage

regal spindle
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Got a Samsung 980 and now it just works, pff annoying that not all NVMe's are compatible

red lagoon
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Have the RPi foundation said what components they’re having trouble sourcing? It must be something critical like the bcm2711 or something

fresh bough
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SoC itself would be my best guess yes

shut cedar
regal spindle
rugged creek
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Ugh.. I literally just installed the WD Black SN750

dusk orchid
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hi ! i just installed my yellow.
during assembly my clumsy fingers dropped the usbc boot jumper.
so i never knew if it was just hanging on one pin our actually shorting them
when i attached the jumper. the yellow refused to install the os (which might be duh)

does it have to be always disconnected?
for now I have it on top the yellow i might attach it to one pin just for safe keeping.

is that what we're supposed to do?

dusk orchid
shut cedar
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@dusk orchid yes, it has to be disconnected in regular operation. We put it on one pin only just for safe keeping.

dusk orchid
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cool!

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thanks

shut cedar
fresh bough
shut cedar
dusk sigil
rugged creek
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@shut cedar I'm not sure yet, I can't tell if the problem is the SSD or something else I'm doing. I can reach out to let you know after I get it to boot correctly for the first time (I'm currently stuck on the "something went wrong loading onboarding, try refreshing").

sharp coral
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@shut cedar any updates on the yellow poe?

shut cedar
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@sharp coral all tests passed, and the test reports are in the internal review at the testing house. We should be fine on that front 🎉

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PCB assembly started today.

keen parcel
quartz quest
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Is there a film on the heat sink? Or is it just anodizing artifacts?

quartz quest
quartz quest
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ok well... Crucial P2 CT500P2SSD8 appears to work just fine

quartz quest
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installed on a CM4 Lite w/Wi-Fi 4GB... survived multiple reboots now... so I guess confirmed that it works on the 500GB model somehow

keen parcel
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Good to know

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You’re booting off it?

quartz quest
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Yes

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I got a bit worried after reading that the 250GB model doesn't work... but it seems the 500GB model is fine

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I was almost about to wipe my spare Samsung 970EVO Plus... but I decided to try it anyway... I'm glad I did... cos it seems like a massive waste

keen parcel
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👍

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I haven’t bought an SSD for mine yet, but that 500gb crucial seems like a pretty good deal if it works. It’s only $65aud

keen parcel
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I’m in no rush. My yellow is the POE version 🫠

fresh bough
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See you in 2025 @keen parcel Kiss

keen parcel
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I’m just migrating back to a regular Pi 4 in the meantime. It’s costing me too much to run my servers.

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Pi 4 in an Argon One M.2 case with SSD boot

fresh bough
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Thankfully power prices are down from €0.6 to €0.1 currently

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still off from €0.003

keen parcel
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We’ve seen a 20% increase in Aus this year already, and expecting another 50% increase in the next year

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Our country is a mess

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Currently 26c per kWh with a $1.20 daily connection charge

quartz quest
graceful zealot
robust turtle
quartz quest
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Crucial P2 500GB works

graceful zealot
keen parcel
graceful zealot
keen parcel
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You’d have a healthy amount of wind nearby

graceful zealot
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Yeah it helps 😛

keen parcel
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We have zip. All coal and gas.

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QLD

fresh bough
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I've paid aud8000 so far this year in power if that makes you feel better @keen parcel

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I've gotten a little over half of it back from state though

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Compared to aud550 for all of 2019 we can say prices have increased quite a bit

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Same power usage

keen parcel
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Wow if I was paying that much I’d splash out for a battery

fresh bough
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And I'm below average power consumption according to my power Company

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Even with my server rack

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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Hey, I'm 5% below average power consumption for a house my size

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and we are four people in it

dreamy spruceBOT
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@pliant whale I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
pliant whale
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And here is the config:

dreamy spruceBOT
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@pliant whale I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.yaml
compact quartz
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@pliant whale tried one input/stream ?

pliant whale
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I will

pliant whale
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@compact quartz seems to work for now.
The edge tpu shouldn't be solicitated for more than detection it's weird