#yellow-archived

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acoustic mountain
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Does anyone know how many zigbee devices the silicon labs chip in yellow will be able to handle? I’m currently running the sonoff usb v3. I currently have around 70 devices connected.

fresh bough
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The sonoff should handle 300+ direct children, no idea for the SI one

fleet cloud
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I ordered the yellow but I’m starting to think it is too under powered for my use case. Would such a discussion be held here or maybe in #hardware-archived?

fresh bough
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Depends on what you intend to do with it

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I wouldn't run a Plex server off it

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It's fine for 95% of HA users installs

fleet cloud
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Currently I intend to run frigate, grocy, gitea and a few more containers. Trying to centralise the home stuff

fresh bough
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That will probably be fine, if you get a coral

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Or if you intend to run a single camera

fleet cloud
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7-8 motion activated cameras. I didn’t think coral was supported on yellow?

thorny hornet
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The Yellow is designed to be upgradable. So if you ordered on you can switch the CM4 and add an SSD. Allowing you to create a very powerful yellow 💛

fresh bough
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I see no reason why a yellow wouldn't support an usb coral

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It has usb

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And with that many cameras you want a coral

fleet cloud
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Maybe I’ve misunderstood. is it only the m.2 coral that doesn’t work?

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I’m ordering a usb coral now…

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Now I need to find a suitable cm4 module before the end of August

limpid sequoia
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As far as I understood it, it is as you say, the USB coral should work, however due to problems in the pcie implementation the pcie coral modul won't

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"At this point, it looks like a irreparable hardware issue with the antiquated CM4 PCIe module"
"USB is still the recommendation for the CM4"

dusky hollow
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What's the status of shipment of Yellow only and Yellows with power supply? Does it look like they will be shipped according to latest estimate? July 31:st is closing in

thorny hornet
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We will be posting an update by the end of week

vale ember
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That’s not a yes lol

wary pivot
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Just saw the video Every Thing Smarthome's video about the yellow. If those sticky thermal pads need to be replaced in the future (worn out, not sticky anymore or so), are these widely available?

vale ember
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I don’t think they’re anything special.. just your typical thermal pad with sticky backing

thorny hornet
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We don't have plans yet to stock thermal pads. Most likely will be up to our distributors which we can bring up with them

wary pivot
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Would be cool if the specifications (e.g. thickness) could be provided on the Yellow Getting Started website.

thorny hornet
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We plan to provide a data sheet which should house that information 👍

wary pivot
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And another question: I cannot use the Raspberry Pi Imager (no idea why - it just doesn't work on my computer). If I use Balena Etcher, is the HAOS 8.x image for Yellow from Github the right image to flash to the USB drive or is the installer something different?

thorny hornet
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@shut cedar May be able to answer that better

shut cedar
wary pivot
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Is the HAOS image for Yellow the correct image to download or is the installer for the USB stick a seperate one?

shut cedar
wary pivot
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Thank you! And thanks to Zack too!

sonic palm
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Hi all - I have the "all inclusive" Yellow on order due to be delivered in the next month, but I'm wondering if it will be possible to upgrade it to support PoE afterwards? I always found it strange they never sold an "all inclusive/non kit" unit with PoE support. I have a PoE switch that it will be plugging into so it just seems silly to not have the support out of the box. Anyway - original question : Can I upgrade it to PoE, or can I buy an "upgrade" PCB with PoE support that won't cost the earth?

thorny hornet
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We will possibly offer POE version of the Standard in the future but for now we only offer the 3. There will not be an option to upgrade the standard to POE. Sorry..

vale ember
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A while back I thought I read here that you can desolder a couple things and convert to PoE pretty easily

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Obv that would void any warranty

sonic palm
vale ember
sonic palm
jovial tusk
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@royal harness best is to get the POE version

wary pivot
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Maybe they can even change your order to a POE one.

sonic palm
sonic palm
thorny hornet
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There is a possibility as I said above. But no idea on the timeline. Some time later in 2023 at best. So not something that will be soon. You can cancel in the crowd supply page if you choose too

sonic palm
keen parcel
buoyant flare
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In my stash I found a Sandisk x400 m.2 128 GB stick. Is this likely to work in the Yellow?

fresh bough
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Performance wise it is fine, connector should be fine too, it appears to only come in 2280, I don't know what size the yellow allows

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But it's a 6+ year old disk, I'd check the health of it and upgrade firmware if possible

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Supports 2230, 2242, 2260, and 2280 modules

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Looks fine

buoyant flare
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Thanks, I'll look into the firmware...

buoyant flare
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Learning a bit more - the x400 appears to be sata, Yellow appears to use pcie. So probably not compatible?

fresh bough
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From what I can see the yellow has a M-Key, the x400 has B+M

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It should physically fit at least

limpid sequoia
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I once asked the same, the answer was that only pcie drives work, as the yellow has no sata adapter chip to run sata m.2

fresh bough
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Aha

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So it should work in theory, but hardware team opted it out

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Wasn't mentioned in the docs I saw

limpid sequoia
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Found the e-mail when I asked them, this was the answer:
The M.2 slot is M-Keyed, and there is only a single lane PCIe connected to it. Yellow does not support B+M keyed SATA-Storage.

buoyant flare
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Rats!

shut cedar
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Yeah the CM4/BCM2711 has no S-ATA controller internally, so no easy way to make S-ATA happen, sorry

warped barn
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Hi, does anyone know if Yellow with power supply is still being shipped in the coming days?

fresh bough
warped barn
buoyant flare
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I just noticed that the VSCode server add-on recommends a minimum of 4Gb of ram. Are there any other common add-ons or integrations that should be avoided with the Yellow default 2Gb?

buoyant flare
warped barn
hybrid path
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does anyone know if the HM-MOD-RPI-PCB (HomeMatic IP radio module) can be connected to the GPIO pins of the yellow? (so I can run RaspberryMatic as an add-on and can get rid of a separate Raspi)

fresh bough
thorny hornet
frosty cypress
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Love the Getting Started guide for the Standard kit.

modest dove
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That copper case looks pretty dope 👀

vale ember
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wishes the cm4 shipped with his

mighty chasm
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so im in progress of moving homes and with that comes the opportunity to get my networking gear in a rack in a seperate room. So would the yellow be ok to be placed inside a rack or should I anticipate it to have to be placed in a central place in the home in order for the zigbee and zwave to work properly

thorny hornet
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It will be okay in a rack. Doesn't need to be in a central place if you get Zigbee/Z-Wwave devices that also act as repeaters. The antenna in the Yellow has a good range but having those repeater in light switches, plug in outlets, etc are really great to make sure you get full coverage

mighty chasm
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Awesome. Sounds like a plan. Will wait for the Poe version of yellow then:)

wary pivot
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Are the PoE-Yellows expected to get that copper shielded cases (doesn't that kill the Zigbee performance? 🤔 ) or is that just a testing model?

thorny hornet
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They are not haha

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It's a "limited edition" of 1

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Just for testing to see what the emi was with it

wary pivot
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Well in that "case" I would suggest to switch to a gold plating of the case. More yellowish and targeting the higher class users. 🤣

thorny hornet
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Haha Home Assistant Yellow Pro

vale ember
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Same in zigbee channel I believe

sharp kestrel
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Gold plated? A reminder that actually wealth doesn't always equal class...

white gate
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a mate of mine in the USA ordered a yellow through crowdsupply and had a shipping date of July 31 and now its been updated till Jan 23 is this right?

thorny hornet
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Nothing was updated from July to January

vale ember
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cm4 board maybe?

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mine still shows dec31st

thorny hornet
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There is a date for the CM4 board to be shipping in Jan. But it wouldnt have said July and then said Jan based on the most recently update

white gate
thorny hornet
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So originally Dec. Yea that make sense

vale ember
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with how things have been going and them getting pushed out he's probably better off trying to find one on rpilocator

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i fully expect mine to get pushed out again given how things have progressed lol

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zack has said before it's on crowdsupply's side and not them 😦

white gate
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no he had a ship date of July - he ordered it a few months ago - he went to the order page today and saw the new date of Jan 2023

vale ember
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ship date of yellow and cm4 boards are separate, that might be where the confusion lies

white gate
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ahh i see

thorny hornet
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Nothing on the Yellow side would have said July even a few months ago

white gate
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so he probably is going to the yellow shipped minus the CM4?

vale ember
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assuming he ordered them separate.. should be able to confirm in his order history -> order details page

white gate
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hes not online atm to get the info but I do rememeber the July31 date cos its a birthday I remember

vale ember
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regardless nothing he can really do except wait lol

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if he did order yellow and cm4 separate and the cm4 is what is gonna be delayed way out then only thing he can do is try using rpilocator.com to try and get another cm4 quicker...

white gate
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yeah i know him he wont do that he will just cancel the order totally

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shame cos hes in the high end smart home business and wanted to give HA a go but would only do it in an all in one package like the yellow

thorny hornet
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Nothing that can be done at this time but wait

white gate
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yeah I get it but I doubt he will, first kink in the road and he will drop products like a stone - known him too long

vale ember
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sounds like he wouldnt enjoy home assistant then lol

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more for people who are ok with learning as they go and tinkering not flip a switch and go

white gate
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he deals with the 1% of the 1% in his business so using HA there is not option for him but I have been pushing him towards HA to use at home

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hes bought a lot of different commercial grade stuff before and thrown it in the drawer

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I was going to remote into his HA and set it up for him u see

fleet cloud
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So if the PoE is delayed until October (probably later than that), how would I either switch to the power supply model or cancel the order? I’m guessing that I will be put in the back of the queue if I switch?

thorny hornet
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You can change your order in crowd supply but yes you would be in back of the queue

fleet cloud
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So it would probably arrive at the same time

daring estuary
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Thanks for the update. Looking forward to getting my PoE version. I'm sure it will be worth the wait.

quartz quest
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Hi, just following up on my previous suggestion… since Yellow will be open source and soon shipping… will we see the 3D files for the board/enclosure for those of us who’d like alternative enclosure/mounting solution?

vale ember
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I’d like the option to 3d print a case as well (without needing to redesign one)

shut cedar
quartz quest
manic sinew
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According to rpilocator, BerryBase (DE) have lots of different CM4 variants in stock.

fleet cloud
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4GB ram - is that adequate? Only ssh/samba addon

limpid sequoia
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The standard Set comes with a 2Gig version, so 4Gig should be more then enough for basic operations I think

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Question on the side: is it possible to delay the shipping of ones order?
Min is now at Estimated to ship: Aug. 12, 2022 which comes close to my vacation where I won't be there to receive the package

fleet cloud
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I tend to go overboard with things but I don’t like to feel limited. Maybe better to wait until I find an 8GB

fresh bough
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2 will be limiting, 4 should be minimum for anything except a pure HA instance, 8 will give you room to grow and future proofing

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People tend to install more over time

fleet cloud
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Thanks. I’m wait for a 8GB

fresh bough
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The backdraw of running a platform that can't be upgraded without rip and replace, going in small sets the rules for the next .. years until you do upgrade or move on, or causes a double purchase in short succession

fleet cloud
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Yeah. I was thinking of building a separate box to run HA OS but would prefer the yellow

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Probably would have if I hadn’t signed up for the yellow but now I think I prefer it to a rackmounted 1U…

fresh bough
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Rack mount 1u would probably be overkill for HA alone, but there are a bunch of nice fanless minicomputers

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And laptops are used by a lot of people, built in ups

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I run it on either a 2u 24 core system or a miniitx box depending on maintenance

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But those boxes run more than HA

fleet cloud
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I have another box for my containers and one for storage and media playback but for home autiomation I prefer keeping it separate from everything

fresh bough
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I keep my router/firewall seperate, I have two production boxes and two lab boxes

limpid sequoia
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I messaged crowdsupply if the shipping of my order can be delayed because of my vacation till the end of august.
I got a reply that sounds like it will take quite a while longer until anything ships at all.

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"The Home Assistant Yellow project posted an update last week that said they were shipping, but it's going to take a few weeks before anything actually leaves the warehouse, since the products are being shipped to our warehouse from overseas via sea freight.
This timeline might not affect you at all. "

thorny hornet
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Yes. We shipped to Crowdsupply and they have to do processing and shipping on their own.

limpid sequoia
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They say in my order details 12th August shipping, but it sounds like they gonna need a good while longer then that

thorny hornet
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They were supposed to update the details to a realistic date... Sorry about that

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They told us they would update shipping dates based on when we shipped plus their processeing time

limpid sequoia
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While it is my specific case just fine, in general any delay is unwelcome ^^
In the end we just have to wait, we can't help it along anyway

thick parrot
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Darn pandemic

fresh bough
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If man is still alive

nova osprey
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Zager and Evans references in this day and age? Nice.

limpid sequoia
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Well, I had to google that one, just a bit out of my time

fresh bough
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I'm showing my age I see

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Damnit

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(80-4)/2

tender arrow
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Would the new bluetooth integration work with the CM4 (in a Yellow)? The page only mentions specific adapters that are tested, not any boards.

thorny hornet
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The standard Home Assistant Yellow does not come with Bluetooth. If you buy the Kit version and supply your own CM4 with Bluetooth and Wifi, then yes. It will.

tender arrow
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Yeah that's what I meant, a CM4 with the wireless stuff. I figured it should be supported as long as it's enabled in the OS, but wondering about the performance/stability/range.

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I'm in doubt if I should go with 32GB or 16GB+wireless (both with 4GB ram are available, planning to use ethernet anyway). I don't expect too much storage use but not sure if it's worth the trade-off considering the low price of a USB bluetooth adapter.

fresh bough
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Or use esphome / tasmota based Bluetooth devices that you can place somewhere else than the yellow

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Depending on integrations you are thinking of using, being forced to be in range of a box that will probably be stationary isn't a great idea

vivid blaze
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@thorny hornet I need to talk to you regarding a partnership with new revenue stream. Do you mind sending me a message so we can discuss further? Thanks!

limpid sequoia
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It seems that while it will take longer, it won't take that much longer (in comparison to how long we have waited, thats really nothing)
"I believe even though that it states the 12th of August as the date, I still expect it to take a week to actually get out of that warehouse for shipment. "

dusky hollow
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Crowdsupply still shows that my estimated shipment date is Aug 12:th. Will have to see what/if anything happens then..

heavy niche
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Got my Compute Module 4 (CM4108032). Now just need the POE yellow. I'm kind of excited for it, for no real reason. Everything is running fine in a docker container on my Synology. But still...

limpid grove
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As you would be adding devices to the pure instance you would need more right?

fresh bough
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For someone who just wants to add HA and a minimum of add-ons

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Forget any big add-ons

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A remote instance running at parents house for example

limpid grove
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Just find it weird when the focus is on getting the best user experience. You would assume that you won't offer the bare minimum.

shut cedar
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There are trade-offs, cost vs. utility...

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FWIW, I am pretty sure my production instance would work fine on 2GB. I have a reported use of 1.5GB RAM, and run MariaDB, SSH, VLC, Grafana and InfluxDB.

fresh bough
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You'll probably hit a high percentage of the user base with a small box, then there is a percentage it won't work for, and for people expanding over time 2GB might be a very limiting factor

shut cedar
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The question probably is where do you draw the line between beginner, advanced, and pro users... I'd hope that Yellow is good enough for up to most advanced users.

fresh bough
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Heck, even most phones these days have 6GB+ of memory, memory is basically free in most systems, modern servers are normally 1TB-6TB, modern desktops are 32-64GB, laptops aren't far behind

shut cedar
fresh bough
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Yes

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But then, you suddenly increase the cost of the device quite a bit

shut cedar
fresh bough
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If you can't sell the old one

limpid grove
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selling the old one is not a problem now i guess but maybe in the future it will

shut cedar
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Dang these things gotten cheap 😅

fresh bough
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I'm guessing the used market for cm4 modules is very low overall, except JUST NOW

shut cedar
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Repurpose it.. There are other projects using CM4 😄

limpid grove
shut cedar
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But yeah, in the end, if you are worried already today that 2GB is not enough for you, go for the Kit. That is why it's there.

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The thing is, the margins on the CM4 are razor thin...

fresh bough
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docker stats can surely show you @limpid grove

limpid grove
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not running it in docker

fresh bough
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Then top

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Or how are you running it?

limpid grove
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VM

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so i get right into HA Cli

fresh bough
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So docker

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Haos runs docker

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Add-ons are just docker containers with magic dust

limpid grove
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the docker stats command didn't work in the HA cli

fresh bough
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It probably works via the SSH add-on

limpid grove
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ty i'll give that a go

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i used it in docker before but switched to the vm.

shut cedar
fresh bough
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There you go

drifting kestrel
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RPi CM4 - 8GB RAM, 32GB MMC, With Wifi in stock

fleet cloud
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Berrybase has cm4s in stock

manic sinew
pearl frigate
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Not exactly cheap with 115 Euros but I ordered one anyway, now my kit just needs to arrive in time

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Anyone knows if the heat sink will be included in the yellow kit?

fresh bough
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The crowd supply says so

pearl frigate
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Thanks

sharp coral
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Are we going to get an update at the end of the month. To confirm whether the Poe implementation has passed the emission tests?

wary pivot
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We are going to get an update. But if it is exactly at the end of the month is not certain.

thorny hornet
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Our goal is to send an update when we have concrete news. End of the month may not happen but we will let you know

wary pivot
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News about the gold plated edition? 😁

fleet cloud
dusky hollow
limpid sequoia
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Here as well, my order from 8th December as well as from 20th March.
I would have at least expected them to send an email notifying us of a change of shipping dates, but nothing, just silently changing it.

pearl frigate
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The last crowdfunding project I supported was znaps via kickstarter. I’m already getting some dejavu vibes …

wary pivot
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Fulfilment is CrowdSupply's responsibility. Those are the ones, who should inform about delays in their processes. Nabu Casa informed about delays in development and the reasons. At moment I see no signs of fraudulent behavior on their side.

fleet cloud
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I have no reason to not believe that the yellow won’t srrive eventually but stating that it is CrowdSupply’s role to inform and Nabu Casa has no role in it is not the impression that the sales pitch has given. Regardless, the yellow will arrive eventually

wary pivot
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I didn't mean Nabu Casa has no role. But it is known that Nabu Casa uses the distribution network and sales platform of CrowdSupply. Their terms and conditions apply. Nabu Casa is in control of delivery to CrowdSupply and previously the development. CrowdSupply is in control about the processing in their distribution network and are the only ones who really know, when the orders are fulfilled - and they just seem to inform by altering the estimated delivery date. Could Nabu Casa try to get more information and publish those themselves? Maybe. But "znaps vibes" imply some bad intent. No means to fight anyone, but implying possible fraudulent behavior is imho a bit too much.

fleet cloud
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I don’t know what znaps is but I agree, nothing fraudelent here. Just delays in manufactoring

wary pivot
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Znaps was a crowdfunding campaign for magnetic USB cables which collected about 3 million CAD. If I recall correctly none of the backers has got a cable - instead those were sold on another website.

fleet cloud
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That’s quite a bit of money

thorny hornet
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Jorg is correct. We do not control the shipping dates in the system. We can influence them for the dates that are further out but the changes you just saw are because crowd supply is estimating the time of delivery based where the yellows are in their process. We have sent the Yellows to them. Unfortunately we are unable to do anything else from here for this batch. It's in crowd supply's hands now.

I apologize for the extra delay you have but they are on their way.

pine pilot
# pearl frigate The last crowdfunding project I supported was znaps via kickstarter. I’m already...

Looking at how HomeAssistant and the Nabu Casa company have been working in the last few years, I have no reason to believe that there is reason for any bad vibe. I've had my fair share of kickstarters, Indiegogo's. Also ones that didn't go as planned. It's a risk, but in this case it's no reason to distrust. Capital raised via crowdsupply is only to measure size of production and have enough capital to upfront pay the manufactorer and delivery channel. It's not like they've used the money raised to develop the device first. Most of my previous kickstarters didn't deliver on time. And as previously stated in comments above. Delivery partners are always a risk for delays. Also the shortage of chips that could potentially mean last-minute changes and recertifying the electronics devices.

I have full trust in Nabu Casa to deliver in time. Or ask the HomeAssistant crew to hand over their precious prototypes during the upcoming Smart-Home Meet-up 😏 😁 . #daretoask

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I have a 4gb 32gb eMMC ready without wifi/bt. Also have a 16GB emmc version with wifi/BT..

I read that the +wifi/bt wasn't certified on the Yellow. Does the BT module work in HomeAssistant, or is it blocked/non-functional as of yet? It would be sweet if I could use it, it allows me to relocated my current esp32/bt device elsewhere in the house 🤔

If it doesn't I'll just poke the wifi/bt device in the turingpi cluster.

fresh bough
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Using WiFi or BT on the same device as ZigBee wouldn't be great, using WiFi for connectivity of a home automation system isnt great in my opinion either, and using BT devices like ESP32 devices give a lot more flexibility for the very few Bluetooth devices that I would recommend using

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Just my two cents

compact quartz
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Nothing's blocked.

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But yeah I wouldn't use wifi if it can be helped

pine pilot
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@compact quartz not blocked, but does it mean the BT module is recognised and usable by HomeAssistant out of the box?

compact quartz
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Usable just like it is for other pis with bt, yes

pine pilot
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WiFi / Zigbee. I should have put that in to start with. I'm aware of the ZigBee conflict in the lower channels of WiFi 2.4GHz. I have my home setup on higher channels to avoid conflicts. But I welcome the advise not to use WiFi on the board. I will not as I have a cable available in that location.

compact quartz
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Or you could use a USB bt dongle with the 4GB CM4

pine pilot
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true and just put the wifi/bt version in my turingpi which will sit a good distance away from it.

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It's not a specific choice to buy the wifi/bt version, it's just availability of cm4 stock right now.

compact quartz
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Yeah. You feel like you need to take what is available.

pine pilot
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btw, to shamelessly plug rpilocator.com <-- it helped me get most of my pi's. Got some 8gb's as well for the cluster.

loud swift
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Helps once a while checking the reseller list on raspberrypi.com. I scored an 8GB/32GB/Wifi CM4 in a shop that wasn't even listed on rpilocator.com.

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Also I got mine (first one I held in my hand). Damn that thing is tiny.

pine pilot
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That surprised me as well. Also the size to weight ratio, it's heavy

vapid tulip
pine pilot
vapid tulip
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Seeing as I have a CM4 that will work* I'm more inclined to wait for reasonable costs and local supply. But also still tempted...

pearl frigate
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My fully loaded 8GB Ram CM4 from Berrybase just arrived today, shipping was rather fast

gleaming crow
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When purchasing the CM4 for the yellow kit, my guess is it would be the chip without wifi right?

limpid sequoia
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It is advised to use ethernet to connect, so wifi is not out of the box necessary, so if you don't have anything planned with wifi or BT then you can go for one without it, but for the purpose of being the brains of the yellow it doesn't make a difference if it is with or without

gleaming crow
thorny hornet
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It can have an effect (while it should not be much)

gleaming crow
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Thank you for all the info !

pine pilot
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Or perhaps disable the kernel modules on the OS level. That could also negate any negative effects.

ancient matrix
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OK. So, I get why the Yellow is a good thing for those brand new to HA, but what are the advantages of switching if say you're already running HA on a RPi4 8Gb with an SSD, BT and Zigbee. Any? TIA

compact quartz
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I would say it isn't much of an upgrade from there if this is working well for you

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Plus you'd have to go with the kit to get a CM4 with 8GB

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and finding those isn't easy right now

pine pilot
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I have 3 😏. As I’m fortunate enough to have some close friends that helped me obtain them through berrybase. 😬

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But how many addons do you need on your kit? Normally 4gb would be enough?

latent fern
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they will cost you 1 million dollars...apiece

pine pilot
thorny hornet
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Hi Everyone,

We wanted to send a quick update for anyone that is on the list to receive a Yellow in this first production run.

It looks like you will be receiving an updated shipping date on your Crowd Supply page today or tomorrow. This shipping date will mostly likely be middle to late September... The reason for this is shipping delays from our Manufacturer to Crowd Supply and from Crowd Supply to their processing center.

We finalized the production run on July 21st, but because of delays on information from Crowd Supply we weren't able to have their Logistics Partner pick up the pallets until 1 week ago on Aug 9th. Crowd Supply has just now, Aug 16th, placed the pallets on the ship to have them sent to their processing center. These are not expected to arrive until September 6th. We approximate that it will be 1-2 weeks after that before shipping dates will start.

We apologize for the extended shipping time but the units are now in transit and will be delivered to you as soon as possible. Expect the updated deliver dates to show soon (1-2 days) in your Crowd Supply Order page.

limpid sequoia
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Thanks for the heads-up on that
Your communications and updates are great

pine pilot
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Ohhh noes, there goes the summer vacation project. Let’s rethink this into an early Christmas gift. 🤔😏

buoyant flare
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Only three weeks on a ship these days?

fresh bough
dusky hollow
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How does one know if one is on the list to receive a Yellow in the first production run?

thorny hornet
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Your delivery date will determine that

pine pilot
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... is that a cryptic answer for: go figure it out yourself with Crowdsupply?

thorny hornet
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Basically Yes 🙂 We can't see the order queue. Crowdsupply has all that information

pine pilot
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So mine is set to august 19th by crowdsupply; interesting?! 🤔

thorny hornet
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Yea so I think you are in the first production run

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They just need to update the dates

pine pilot
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btw, for turingPi i was on lately. @shut galleon just posted a new youtube video about DeskPI. a 6 cm4 node cluster miniITX board 😍

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A whole lot of projects to play with this autumn/winter.

dusky hollow
quartz quest
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Welp… I ordered a CM4 from Element14 in the beginning of the year… won’t ship til mid-September and it’s not even a promise that it would nor can you cancel your order 😂 so I’m in no rush

pearl frigate
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Would be great to get some statement from crowd supply here. Their website update from 7/29 states “we are shipping” which seems to be not the case to say it mildly…

pine pilot
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And there’s the Delaymail… Updated shipping date: September 30th.

fresh bough
royal wind
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Still in time for Christmas, but a bit disappointing since I was counting down to tomorrow. Luckily Zacks previous update here already softenend the pain 😋

pearl frigate
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Read that text, that must have come as a total surprise for them …

pine pilot
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It was phrased in a rush. Made me feel like Nabucasa stressed out to crowdsupply that they’d better communicate something before yesterday, because people are not getting clear delivery signals. We’ll just have to wait a bit longer. It’s still planned before my birthday (and still in time for christmas)

blazing aurora
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At this point I am not sure that it will get here before I die of old age. Date for mine is also the end of Sept. also. I am not sure that I will buy anything in the future from Crowd Supply. I realize that COVID was a big part of the problem, but I can't excuse the lack of information from Crowd Supply. If the yellow is suppose to be in California on Sept. 6 I am not sure why it will take another 3 weeks to get it, Mouser normally sends item in a couple of days.

shut cedar
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@blazing aurora Creating a product from scratch takes a lot of effort, especially when being new in product development. We've dealt with component delays of over one year, yet, we are delivering within one year. How does that magic work? Well, we redesigned to use other components, so we could actually deliver within a year. I've seen other projects with more than a year delay in the same space.

You need to understand that a lot of this delay has been hidden away by established manufacturer, as they only announce products once they ramping up actual production. When backing a project on Crowd Supply (or any other crowd funding page for that matter), you don't buy a product, you invest into a product development effort... That is a difference.

blazing aurora
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@shut cedar I am understand and can accept the delay in parts, changes in design and even the shipping time. I am very happy with the efforts that have been put in by NABUCasa. But getting information from Crowd Supply has been like pulling teeth. I am not upset at anyone, but updates from Crowd Supply could be more forth coming.

shut cedar
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Yeah fair, some of the updates are by us, but that last delay we really haven't foreseen. There are a bit too many parties involved in the shipping part... 😰

blazing aurora
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@shut cedar thanks for the information, patience is not one of my strongest qualities.

cinder sleet
pearl frigate
# shut cedar <@386972545636630529> Creating a product from scratch takes a lot of effort, esp...

In comparison, I got my CM4 two days after ordering from Berrybase. That’s quite a difference. Also it appears NC is deflecting all responsibility towards Crowdsupply, a partner of your choice with the level of communication we’ve all seen. Don’t treat us like idiots please.
Just too convenient the ordering had to be done directly at Crowdsupply outsourcing all risk. At this point it’s just the good name of Homeassistant which keeps me from walking away.

shut cedar
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In comparison, I got my CM4 two days after ordering from Berrybase.
That is to be expected for a item on stock. Once Yelllow will be stocked, delivery will be quick too.

Also it appears NC is deflecting all responsibility towards Crowdsupply, a partner of your choice with the level of communication we’ve all seen.
There is no way Nabu Casa could build up logistics for world wide shipping in house. There is always going to be a partner. I admit, this transfer to Crowd Supply/Mouser took much longer than we anticipated. But otherwise the partnership with Crowd Supply/Mouser did help us tremendously get this project off the ground. From the ordering page, working with order changes and cancellations, making sure regulatory approvals and documentation for countless countries is correct, dealing with import/export regulations... I am telling you, it is not easy, especially not as a small company.

Don’t treat us like idiots please.
Why do you think we treat you like idiots? We communicate essentially as we encounter problems. As a startup we work with limited experience and resources in doing such a project. We can't foresee all the problems. Bigger companies have probably whole teams working on such a project, along with several project managers which make sure that timeline is kept (and even in those cases, delays still happen).

pearl frigate
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First, I appreciate your response. Maybe I am too negative but there is quite some disappointment on my side. Look at the communication. Initial estimated shipping for the kit without PoE & CM4 was end of June. With the project update from June 3rd it slipped to end of July. This update just mentioned PoE certification issues so how would this affect the non PoE kit? End of July the next update states “we are shipping”. We, not our supplier. “As we have finished the first production run we have shipped from our manufacturer over to our warehouse” This is apparently an incorrect statement. In the latest update suddenly the shipping from the supplier has not even started as it’s still sitting in China. It feels like your partner is doing that the first time. How do we know Sep 6th is a realistic date? Have you considered additional risk like inbound customs? I work in logistics and can tell you this is not normal.

shut cedar
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End of July the next update states “we are shipping”. We, not our supplier.
That post is from us Nabu Casa (see by ...). It is a correct statement: At that point, we've shipped the Yellow's from the factory to the warehouse in Hong Kong.

In the latest update suddenly the shipping from the supplier has not even started as it’s still sitting in China.
That is where the additional delay came in, the transfer from Hong Kong to Crowd Supply takes longer than we've hoped in our update.

But yes, I get your point, this is indeed confusing communication. Sorry about that. Back when we shipped samples, these shipping process usually took a few days 😰

Have you considered additional risk like inbound customs?
We rely on the experience of Mouser here, the customs documents should all be prepared and complete. There is always a small risk that something comes up, but in the end, this is out of our control at this point. 🤞

fleet cloud
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The yellow will arrive when it does. We can argue as much as we want about communication, who is really the responsible etc and appearances in the beginning. Delays are inevitable

quartz quest
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If this is your first time backing a crowd funded project... I suppose I can understand but such is the way with these projects... they are by startup/inexperienced companies... so delays are kinda a given... and with global shortages and logistics issues... I think this project is actually doing great time wise

hybrid path
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Exactly. The only room for improvement would be a supplier who ships to EU customers out of the EU (or does Crowdsupply do that? IMHO no)

thorny hornet
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After we finalize Crowdsupply orders that is the goal

dusky hollow
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My two cents are that I would be pretty "miffed" if I wasn't a member of this channel and didn't received the info that has been shared here in regards to the upcoming delays.

Regardless of who's at fault, silently changing shipping dates isn't a good practice but I honestly put this on Crowdsupply. They are the logistics partner, they have the information and the system with all the info.

To only change the shipping date under the status page and not send out a e-mail with this info is sub par, they should automate that.

weak sable
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So stoked for my PoE yellow.
Does anyone have a connection for a CM4?

fleet cloud
wary pivot
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In EU Berrybase from Germany has some in stock often and they ship very quickly.

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You can put yourself on a mailing list for the desired CM4 and have to be quick when the notification comes. 😃

vapid tulip
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I just ordered an 8GB from berrybase - I'm in Australia and they don't ship here so trying my luck with a mail forwarding company. 🤞

vapid tulip
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I did manage to find a 2GB lite locally but given the yellow shipping delay I figured I could try to find a more capable fit.

hybrid panther
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I just preorder my home assistant yellow

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Just learned about this last night, seems really nice to have, instead of having like 6-7 different apps for stuff XD

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Almost feels like the OpenRGB project

lament saddle
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Does anyone know a place where i can find the RPC 4 mode no SC0286?

lament saddle
fresh bough
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Sounds like a member subscription service

lament saddle
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yeah can't find any button to subscribe so i can buy it

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i need a CM4108032

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can't find any anywhere 😦

wary pivot
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You have to create an account. But the checkmark to join the Club on account creation is only shown, when german language is selected. Don't know if you can join later, when creating an account using english language. 🤔

lament saddle
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I've joined in, let's see if they enable me.

fleet cloud
untold kraken
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isnt it a bit overpriced?

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i can get better sbc + zigbee dongle for less

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and it also has nvme

thorn yacht
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I am waiting on my yellow... There is a CM4 and a 250GB ssd ready to go 🙃

fresh bough
lament saddle
wary pivot
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Within EU shipping is much less expensive.

vapid tulip
lament saddle
vapid tulip
lament saddle
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i see

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anyways stock's gone now 🥲

wary pivot
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@lament saddle The seller I stated above still claims to have the WiFi version in stock. 13.99 € shipping to UK. It's not cheap, but available.

lament saddle
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thank you i'll look into it

lament saddle
wary pivot
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It's one of the official sellers (buyzero.de is the online shop of pi3g) stated on the Raspberry Pi website, so I wouldn't be too worried concerning scam.

fresh bough
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Tbf, the current prices on pi hardware is a scam

wary pivot
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Fair point. But still better than the scalper prices on eBay and other platforms.

lament saddle
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any of you guys ever do a migration from an existing arduino device to something else like the new yellow?

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how easy is it to migrate from one to the other?

fresh bough
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Arduino to yellow? That sounds overkill

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From Arduino to esphome, that is more common

lament saddle
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well HA to HA

fresh bough
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Migration of HA from one machine to another?

lament saddle
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i got the HA Blue and will want to move to the Yellow

fresh bough
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Ah, then, backup, move, restore

lament saddle
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Yes i do, and everything just works?

fresh bough
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Yes

lament saddle
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no energy dashboard data loss, no need to re-do the custome yaml's?

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that'd be a dream

fresh bough
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Everything should be in a backup

lament saddle
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🤞

fresh bough
wary pivot
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The Zigbee devices might need some tweaking afterwards, as the module type changes.

fresh bough
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If using serial port devices yes

vapid tulip
fresh bough
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Are you using zha or deconz?

fresh bough
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Both should be plug and play if you just use the same stick and same ZigBee integration for now, then you can get help migrating later if it is possible

mighty chasm
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so im ordering the missing piece for my future yellow installation and m.2 ssd

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is there any place where I would need more than 250gb of space?

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60$ more is the difference between 250 and 1000 gb

fresh bough
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Not with proper rules in place, and depending on add-ons you are intending to run

mighty chasm
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ok, so i might as well just get 1 tb to be future proof?

fresh bough
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I can't see any reason where that would be needed if you are paying attention

mighty chasm
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does the m.2 ssd need to be a good one? meaning with high read/write speeds?

fresh bough
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Considering how many users run on subpar SD cards, it will depend on what you install

mighty chasm
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ok, will order it later then 😄

vapid tulip
fresh bough
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Then I believe you can migrate to a new chip easily

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@wanton tapir knows i think @vapid tulip when going from conbee 2 to whatever the #yellow-archived has with zigbee2mqtt

vapid tulip
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Might be an opportunity to switch to zha of support for my garage door opener has been added

quartz quest
# mighty chasm does the m.2 ssd need to be a good one? meaning with high read/write speeds?

I’d say 256-512gb is plenty and speeds don’t matter as you are severely limited by the available bandwidth… even the most basic of NVMe will be more than enough to saturate… but I’d still recommend that you get a quality one… for longevity and perhaps if one day you move on… the part can be repurposed

Personally I’m going with a 500gb Micron P2… if I ever put it into a USB3 enclosure it is still more than enough to saturate that and it’s cheap

I have a few spare Samsung 970Evo and WD SN850… but that’s just a waste as the CM4 only has PCIe Gen2x1

mighty chasm
mighty chasm
quartz quest
quartz quest
wary pivot
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Is there already a way to make use of the blue button?

pearl frigate
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Besides ssd storage, is there any other meaningful use of the m.2 slot in the yellow?

dusky hollow
wary pivot
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Coral m.2 modules are not supported due to CM4 limitations.

dusky hollow
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Then I'm out of ideas besides ssd storage

fleet cloud
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Is there a limit on amount of storage for the yellow’s nvme drive?

fresh bough
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I don't see anyone needing to cross such a threshold on such a device even if it existed, remember, it is still a very low powered device, I don't see what multiple terabytes of data would be good for

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What is your intended use for the storage?

fleet cloud
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I would like to add my local music collection to it

fresh bough
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Is it big? I still haven't deleted a single flac or mp3 in 25 years, it's 180GB

wary pivot
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Nevertheless would it be nice to know if storage limitations exist. One or another might have a use case for bigger storage.

nova osprey
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The CM4 doesn't have any limits to the size of the NVMe storage, other than the ones inherent to the standard.

fresh bough
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I'd say, probably not, m2 doesn't have any limitations in it self afaik

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Last time I remember hardware limited disk size was the LBA32/48 if memory serves right

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That was... 2002?

nova osprey
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You may be limited by power if you have a very large SSD with lots of NAND though.

fresh bough
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The underlying operating system / filesystem might have limits though

nova osprey
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ext4 should support anything available within the next decade at least.

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I think the only actually limiting factor there is a single file can only be 16 TB.

wary pivot
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My bet would be, that a 1TB SSD is fine, as their promo pictures are showing that one.

fresh bough
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Hey, don't shame on my HPUX that supports 2EB per volume

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Since 2004

nova osprey
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ext4 only does 1 EB 😦

fresh bough
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Yikes!

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I think filesize limit is also 2EB per file

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Need to verify

wary pivot
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That's limiting - just 1EB of ringtones... 😱

nova osprey
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Pretty sure my HPPA machine will have other issues with that kind of storage. ;P

shut cedar
fresh bough
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PA-RISC Loved

nova osprey
fresh bough
wary pivot
nova osprey
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Probably, or just people designing for PC motherboards that have lots of power to spare and don't bother too much about following specs.

wary pivot
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Now I am curious, if I can get the RGB lighting of those ADATA SSDs working with the yellow. 😆

fresh bough
pearl frigate
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The yellow board has a text "plug in a nvm-e ssd to boost storage or a M.2 PCIe AI accelerator"

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anyone knows which one might be compatible?

wary pivot
old bone
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hey y'all. My Yellow is crashing and rebooting every time I try to compile and/or install an ESPhome sketch. Then it gets into a reboot loop and I have to catch it and reboot the Host to get it out of the loop. Is anything like that happening to anyone else? Or am I just Lucky?

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Not sure if any of this might be the cause.

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pearl frigate
fresh bough
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I'm gonna guess the same applies

wary pivot
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The Hailo-8 supports Tensorflow, but not Tensorflow Lite, if I get their documentation right. Frigate (which uses the TF Lite API) might not be able to use it - even if the PCIe controller would support it.

heavy niche
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What is the advantage of using an AI accelerator with HA?

fresh bough
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Camera object detection

heavy niche
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thx.

humble herald
#

Does anybody know how to get the Aeotec pi 7 zwave module by chance

fresh bough
humble herald
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I thought it was a direct plug in on the spare io pins

fresh bough
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I might be wrong, but the cm4 doesn't have any io pins on top, and the text states the following for the io headers in the corner

The Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 allows you to communicate with external components via GPIO pins. Most GPIO pins on Home Assistant Yellow are used for on-board features such as the Zigbee module, audio DAC and for the debug console. This is why we don’t include a Raspberry Pi-compatible 40-pin header - most of those pins are already used. Instead, there is a 10-pin header (labeled J11 in the image below) that exposes a serial port and I²C. This header is compatible with the first ten pins of the standard 40-pin header, which makes it compatible with accessories that only use those first ten pins.

That said, we don’t recommend using the GPIO pins with Home Assistant at all. Instead, we suggest using an external ESP-based microcontroller with ESPHome, which means you can place sensors and cameras anywhere, not just physically connected to Home Assistant. It also allows you to extend and reconfigure your sensor node independently. ESPHome is an open source project by the creators of the Home Assistant Yellow and has state-of-the-art integration with the Home Assistant software.```
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Looks like the aotec uses 10 pins though

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Does it fit inside the case?

shut cedar
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It should fit the J11 (mini-)Raspberry Pi pin header. It essentially contains the first 10 pins of the Raspberry Pi header, especially since a lot of Pi add-on baords only need those.

fresh bough
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Interesting, curious if the rotation of it fits inside the case though

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It looks to rotate the other way, but image is horrible of the module

shut cedar
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Yes, we oriented it so the outer edge is the same as on the Pi. So if it doesn't significantly extends over the Pi's edges, it should work on Yellow

fresh bough
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Poor picture then probably

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That looked like it was 180° off

shut cedar
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The pin headers don't have keying, so you can reverse it 😅 But J11 is oriented correctly 🙂

fresh bough
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Good to know

gleaming crow
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There are still some CM4s left in pishop if anyone is interested

cloud raptor
fresh bough
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Nice

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Just confusing picture

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Looks like the female pins are facing this way

wary pivot
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There are pictures showing the Aeotec Z-Pi 7 inside the case and on the board.

humble herald
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are they selling the Pi 7 yet

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aeotec Z-pi 7 yet

wary pivot
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Yes, already have one waiting for the Yellow.

humble herald
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where wer you able to purchase at I havent been able to acquire one

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I am still waiting on my yellow to show up

wary pivot
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Well - it depends on where you are from. There are different variants for the regional frequencies.

humble herald
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I am in the US

wary pivot
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So you need the ZWA025-A variant.

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But you should do a firmware update before using. There has been a bug in their older zwave 700 firmwares.

lament saddle
blazing aurora
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Info from Tech Support: "Ticket: https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/a/tickets/1470007
Ok, so i've found out that the Z-OPi 7 is different, the serial port is twisted 180 degrees on an Orange Pi vs a Raspberry Pi. The Z-OPi 7 is designed for the Orange Pi.

While they can work the same, using the Z-OPi 7 will probably have the Z-OPi 7 rather than sticking over the hardware like a hat, it will stick outwards away from the RPi4 hardware.

This is the main difference which Z-OPi 7 takes into consideration the flip of the serial pins of the Orange Pi.

Not sure if this is the version you'll want, but it can work on the RPi4.

--
Cheers,
Chris Cheng
Field Application Engineer
Aeotec Inc.
"

wary pivot
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In Europe you can get the Z-Pi 7 without problems, but no special Orange Pi version. The US version ZWA025-A indeed seems to be hard to get, if they really just sell an Orange Pi version with turned GPIO. 🤔

wary pivot
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If I get the Pi documentation correct, /dev/ttyAMA0 is blocked by the Pi's onboard Bluetooth on CM4 with WiFi/BT. But it is also the device path the Z-Pi 7 is using when putting it on the GPIO pins. Am I correct that I need to disable onboard Bluetooth in the config.txt to be able to use the Z-Pi 7 with the Yellow?

shut cedar
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It is not disabling it, but switching Bluetooth to the mini UART.

wary pivot
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That is great! Would "dtoverlay=disable-bt" in the config.txt disable onboard Bluetooth, even if it is using the mini UART?

safe parcel
#

Got the CM4. Put in pre-order for the Yellow. Hopefully the Oct 31 date is solid. :touch_wood:

shut cedar
pine pilot
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I did see the yellow life in the plastic last weekend at a smarthome meetup. Nabu Casa had a presentation there. cool little device!

safe parcel
shut cedar
pine pilot
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aha! Mine is a while back indeed

safe parcel
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Yellow will be my first HA setup. I'm on the fence about getting a bunch of ZigBee devices. Ideally I want to buy thread devices. But they will take a while to come to market. Then some more for the price to come down.

fresh bough
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ZigBee will be around for over a decade still, if not more

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And works flawlessly

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Latest != Best

safe parcel
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Good point.

ornate wing
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Quick question on the yellow. Can I simple add my Z-Wave and enocean dongle to the usb ports of the yellow?

wary pivot
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As long as Home Assistant's integrations support the dongles, it will work with Yellow too. You might have to pair devices again.

old bone
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True or False: the ram on the rpi cm4 can be increased?

shut cedar
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No, unless you resolder the memory chip 😅

compact quartz
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False! Did I win something? 😛

wary pivot
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Enter offer code "Drzzs50" in the boot loader to get 50% more RAM for free. 🥳🤣

fresh bough
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Have you tried running sh /var/super/hidden/folder/memdownloader.sh

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It works great for me

wary pivot
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Isn't it sh /var/.super/.hidden/.folder/memdownloader.sh ? 🤔

dusky hollow
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Question for those that have migrated to the Yellow- Mine is on the way and I hope will arrive in 30-45 days- I currently am running HAOS on a RPI4, using Z2M on a sonoff dongle e and my Z-wave stuff is running off a Zooz ZST10 700 is this all just going to work when I switch ove, like just do a restore from the latest back up and all is good or is it going to be more involved? If "more involved" can you give me some pointers so this is as painless as possible. Thanks

vapid tulip
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Would I be able to use the onboard zigbee with ZHA and my Conbee II via USB on Z2MQTT at the same time?
I'd like to migrate to ZHA but I've got one device that is only support in Z2MQTT holding me back.

fresh bough
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Then add support for said device in zha, or use z2m exclusively, a single device on a coordinator seems... Excessive, even more so with conbee

dusky hollow
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If i recall correctly there would be a guide/manual on how to migrate to the Yellow. How comprehensive or which scenarios it would cover is another question since the options are more or less endless

vapid tulip
vapid tulip
fresh bough
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Yes

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Generally the first question people ask if you have issues with ZigBee, is it a conbee?

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Why not run everything on zigbee2mqtt then?

nimble dragon
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Just wanted to say that adding NVME disk to Yellow that's already up and moving data to it works likes charm. One click, restart and few minutes is all it takes!

compact quartz
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@nimble dragon nice. I need to try that still

vapid tulip
fresh bough
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I've been using z2m for 4 years, I've never had any issues tbh that weren't caused by LAYER8

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I like decoupled mindsets too, not all eggs in one basket

vapid tulip
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Not familiar with layer8.

latent fern
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you, sir, are layer 8

vapid tulip
gaunt kayak
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I may have read this somewhere but forgot where, its possible to change the order from a PoE to a regular one yes? This is a crowdsupply thing I guess? Any written words floating around to help me in the correst direction? (My usecase changed, I realise this will put me in the back of another que) If anyone have a link at hand Im gratefull.

fresh bough
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I think they mentioned that you can, but that puts you in the back of the line again

bronze compass
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I would consider switching, especially since I've wall mounted my network gear and home automation hubs now and have plenty of power available. But, Crowd Supply keeps pushing back the delivery date for the compute module as well, so as it stands I won't be able to use my Yellow right away regardless. May as well stay in line for the POE.

bronze compass
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There's not any way to use a regular Pi 4 with it instead of the CM is there? Or adapter to add a CM style interface to a regular pi?

vale ember
bronze compass
vale ember
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It’s not the end of the world but this hasn’t been a fun ride lol

bronze compass
# vale ember It’s not the end of the world but this hasn’t been a fun ride lol

Honestly, the yellow was something of an impulse order for me, so at this point I have no idea whether I'll actually use it anyway. I've set up a Pi4 with homeassistant and explored a bit, but have yet to move anything significant over to it from my hubitat. I don't know if hubitat is any better or worse, but it's the system I have used and understand, so trying to wrap my head around home assistant's way of doing things is a struggle

vale ember
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I think I’m gonna give mine away lol

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I would look up some videos on home assistant if you’re struggling. There’s quite a few good channels with no bs easy to understand guides

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Let’s jump to #general-archived and continue- what are you not sold on or confused about with hass?

junior gulch
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ok, the site says the boat from china with HA Yellow will be here 4 days ago. How come no message / status updates?

graceful zealot
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I'm guessing no updates as it goes through customs and gets unloaded

summer arch
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Are the PoE issues completely sorted out or do you guys still need to do more testing / certification / possible more tweaks?

thorny hornet
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We received an update on Friday. The Yellows that were shipped from our Manufacturer were received on shore on Sept 6th.

We then got the estimate from folks at Mouser:

It will take a few more weeks to get it out of the port, driven to Texas, and received at the warehouse. I'm hoping we can start shipping to customers and sending out tracking numbers before the end of the month.

This was not what were were originally told... as it was only supposed to be 2 weeks from shipping from the Manufacturer. So we are asking if there are other options for shipping in the future.

As for POE, We did finalize a new Board Design that we are having created now. This will go through testing in the next couple of weeks.

junior gulch
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so, tracking info is updated when the boat docks, they haven't lost a container boat in a long time, so after giving bogus dates before, it's time to give another, hopefully less bogus report

wary pivot
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A few weeks from port to warehouse - until now I thought Mouser is a logistics and distribution specialist. Is customs and forwarding so inefficient in the US?

fresh bough
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_laughs in 12 days from AliExpress china warehouse to Norway _

dusk tiger
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What about the European customers? Seems odd to do the distribution from the US?

wary pivot
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I suppose Mouser sends these shipments to one of their warehouses in Europe to do the EU customs clearance. From there the shipments are sent to the customers.

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I don't think, they use the IOSS procedure as the shipment value sometimes exceeds 150 EUR.

thorny hornet
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All units go through the Texas Warehouse first. I do not know why they do it like that but I believe its because of the way they have everyhting set up its cheaper for them

wary pivot
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Such a hub-and-spoke system isn't uncommon.

summer arch
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Ok, hopefully the new PoE design passes all the tests...

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Question, I'm trying to decide what CM4 should I aim for, is there any reason or benefit to put OS in the eMMC if planning on using an NVMe drive which is way faster? If not then maybe the lite version is ok...

heavy niche
graceful zealot
fresh bough
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Yeah, container shipping from the US to Norway usually takes 3 weeks when I order stuff

limpid sequoia
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So us Europeans can only hope that mouse moves stuff between their us-eu warehouses per air and not ship, otherwise its +1 month for us?
Mouser is really mucking this one up. I hope people are capable to differentiate between nabu casa giving their best and Mouser as 3rd party doing their worst

graceful zealot
wary pivot
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But that would be a better excuse than "a few weeks" from Long Beach to Texas. 😆

fresh bough
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Earlier this year @graceful zealot

dusky hollow
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Is it confirmed that EU orders will be shipped from within the EU to customers or is that just an assumption made here?

Crowdsupply themselves claim the opposite on their website "Where do orders ship from?
All orders are shipped by our fulfillment partner, Mouser Electronics, from their distribution center in Mansfield, Texas, USA."
https://www.crowdsupply.com/shipping

mystic iron
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Has anyone had any chance to get a CM4 w 8GB, 32lash and wifi (for blutooth) so is it 100% scalper food?

sharp coral
# thorny hornet We received an update on Friday. The Yellows that were shipped from our Manufact...

As for POE, We did finalize a new Board Design that we are having created now. This will go through testing in the next couple of weeks.

Update on July 29th

After verifying and testing these mitigation options and concluding on a final design, we should have a passing design by the end of August.

So is the design only just been created now (45 days delay since what was said on July 29th), fingers crossed it passes 🥲 .

Is the expected delivery going to be updated, based on your update?

wary pivot
shut cedar
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They will ship from the U.S., but they ship it such that you won't have to pay import fees (that is what DDP means, Delivered Duty Paid).

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Or rather, you already got invoiced for those.

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@sharp coral not sure how you come up with 45 days delay, in that statement we expected to have the passing design ready by end of August, but it is mid September, so we are ~2 weeks delayed.

sharp coral
shut cedar
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The design does pass the emission test we are concerned about in the testing chamber in Germany (this is what I consider "we have a passing design"). But it needs to go through full approval, which will start next week. The plan is to get emission test out of the way first thing in that approval process, so we can line up the full production run while the rest of the approval tests are being done. Since Yellow v1.2 passed approval, I am not too concerned about all the other approval tests.

wary pivot
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@shut cedar You are the man who might know. 🙂
If I put a CM4 on an original RPi development board, could I use the installer stick image too? And would I be able to "transplant" that CM4 to the Yellow without the need to reinstall everything? I don't know if the different board designs would be a problem. But it would be cheaper than buying an RPi 4 for the transition time until the Yellow arrives.

shut cedar
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The installer should work and install HAOS properly, however, the HAOS boot loader will check the two buttons (GPIO's), and the way they are setup currently they get detected as pressed, means HAOS immediately initiates a wipe 🙈

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The buttons are normally high (active low). We have external pull-ups on Yellow, but the RPi dev board does not have those. I need to check if I can set an internal pull-up. You can add external ones, then it should work as well.

wary pivot
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So it would be a maximum security HA install. No worries about the secrets.yaml 🤣

fresh bough
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Ah, i see you are a man of culture

shut cedar
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@wary pivot just double checked again, pull-up for the button GPIOs is actually enabled in the hardware description (device tree), however the bootloader (U-Boot) pinmux/GPIO driver does not set it 😢 So currently, if you want to use the Yellow image on the dev board, you'll have to make sure GPIO27 is high (to make sure the red button doesn't trigger, see https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/buildroot-external/board/raspberrypi/yellow/uboot-boot64.ush#L24. The GPIO is on the 40-pin pin header). You can also use the regular rpi4-64 image, that has the standard CM4 support. But its not recommended to run that on Yellow 😅 , as several features won't work (e.g Audio, Zigbee)

GitHub
operating-system/uboot-boot64.ush at dev · home-assistant/operating...

:beginner: Home Assistant Operating System. Contribute to home-assistant/operating-system development by creating an account on GitHub.

wary pivot
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Thank you for checking! 🙂

drifting kestrel
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I'm from Germany, if you here for the emission test, feel free to give me one of the prototype. It helps me until I receive my final poe version 🙂

zealous swift
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Hey devs, I’m hoping someone from Nabu Casa might be able to PM me. I have some ideas/questions regarding the yellow and possible hardware reach expansion and would love to chat 🙂

thorny hornet
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You can send an email to hardware @nabucasa.com if you would like

zealous swift
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Thanks

vapid tulip
pearl frigate
vale ember
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It’s pretty clear they have no customer service, marketing department, Human Resources, etc based on how they communicate with end users. I’m okay with them running a lean ship but it would be nice to have a little polish on some things.

pearl frigate
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Sorry but I committed a three digit USD amount to this cause and I expect professional handling and communication. Why do I as the customer have to be concerned with a logistics provider of the distributor, which NC has chosen.

thorny hornet
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I understand that you may be frustrated but backing a project is to expect these types of delays and hiccups. This is NC's first time dealing with all this as well and we are constantly learning and asking questions.

We are currently talking to CS about alternative options to shipping from HK to the US. This could include Air Freight but we are not yet sure if possible due to volume.

You as a customer, do not need to be concerned about the logistics. We will update you and get your device to you as soon as possible. We will give you an update as soon as we hear something.

vale ember
fresh bough
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Just waiting for them to say that the CM4 is eol and cm5 will replace it, and isn't pin compatible

pearl frigate
pearl frigate
fresh bough
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I'm a realist, I work in IT, and I know what chip shortages do to avaliablity 😉

pearl frigate
graceful zealot
wary pivot
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I've been thinking about the buttons on the Yellow. If I use the former rpi_gpio integration (from HACS), I should be able to get binary sensors to detect button actions on GPIO 26 and 27. As the buttons are active low, do I need to set the pull mode of the internal resistors to "UP" as the integration doesn't seem to let me disable them? (Not sure if I understood that correctly).

nimble dragon
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Not defending anything but it's something that we can see each and every day. We are not talking one unit with premium pricing, off the shelf. But if we ignore production dates, delivery is something that is getting better/faster, so any delays are upon logistics company and trying to keep dates while preventing extra cost.

fresh bough
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Last i heard for Cisco 9000s was 15 months

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For a preferred customer

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I'm expecting a return to normalcy in late 2023 at this point, maybe even q2-2024

drifting kestrel
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I‘m not sure .. looks crazy with China and Taiwan … maybe next shit happens comes 😔

serene plaza
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If I already have an up to date copy of debian 11 running home assistant supervised on a cm4 can I just plug it into yellow?

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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It'll probably work, won't be a great idea

graceful zealot
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If supervised make a backup and install HAOS fresh

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Avoid the hell

fresh bough
serene plaza
buoyant patrol
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Did anyone else get a super shady looking e-mail from crowdsupply today?

limpid sequoia
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My order from the 8th December now says in the address block "This order is being processed".
My order from the 9th February still allows to update the shipping address.

old bone
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the problem I'm having is the flashing lights never start, so I have no indicator of when/if the installation is successful.

#

Do I need a jumper on these pins to boot from the usb drive?

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update No, it doesn't need a jumper there 🙂

old bone
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I got it figured out.

pine pilot
old haven
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PoE Kit passed emissions testing 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

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production can start 🎉

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Huge cheers to Stefan and Dominic who have been heaving a BEAST with getting this through

vale ember
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congrats

summer arch
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That is great news!!!! 👍

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Given that it passed the tests and the experience with the other skus, do you have an aprox timeframe for shipping of the PoE version?

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Btw, managed to order a cm4 8GB from pihut.ca today so just waiting for the yellow PoE now, they still have some in stock if anyone is interested...

thorny hornet
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We will need to start production of these units, this will get the green light soon. So we will hopefully ship from our manufacturer in the next 4-6 weeks depending on manufacturing times. COuld be quicker. But then shipping to Crowd Supply and going through that process will take 4-6 weeks as well. So you are looking at 2.5-3 months I would assume. But this is just initial feelings. We will have a better understanding sometime next week. When the manufacturing can be finished

summer arch
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Thanks, hopefully the process goes smoothly from here...

old bone
# pine pilot care to share with the rest of the class? We kindly like to know in advance as w...

The trick was… it was easy. I was expecting to have to do more. No jumper needed to boot from usb. I put the HA image on a usb, put the usb in the yellow with the new cm4, then just waited. The instructions for the yellow “kit” were spot on except mine didn’t have the flashing lights. Could be because mine was the alpha version. Since I didn’t have a visual indicator that the install was complete I put homeassistant.local in my browser and just waited for it to come up. After maybe 10 min it showed up and then I could restore from a backup in had. Easy as that. And now it is running a lot better.

pine pilot
old bone
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Most of the time it ran okay. But sometimes it would need more than that 1gb and that would send it into a boot loop that would last for days. 4gb has been solid.

dusky hollow
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I actually just now saw that my current install is running on a RPi3B with 1GB mem..
Hopefully the Yellow with a CM4 and 8GB will be a bit of an upgrade.

compact quartz
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@old bone curious if the lights flash now that you've installed latest firmware, but I guess that would mean having to go through it all again!

summer arch
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Would it be possible to run yellow on something like this and then a simple cm4/nvme swap until the actual hardware arrives?

tender arrow
summer arch
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Thanks, will there be any problem with it not finding any of the stuff the actual yellow has connected to the last 30 pins of the GPIO, like the ZigBee/Thread radio or DAC?

summer arch
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Another out there idea, would it be possible to use a rock3 compute module in Yellow?

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You guys should buy one and test it, not only gives people an alternative given the cm4 shortages, it has a faster CPU, faster (and larger) emmc, and seems like it does not suffer from the same issue that the cm4 with the m.2 coral board...

wary pivot
summer arch
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I see, I just discovered these existed and got excited but I can see these are not the drop in replacement they paint them to be...

abstract silo
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So is there an update on shipment of the Powersupply kits?

tender arrow
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3 more days...

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limpid sequoia
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Does yours say under the Shipping address "This order is being processed" or can you still edit that?
Only 1 of my 3 orders say that, although all 3 have the estimated 30 sep. shipping date

dusky hollow
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I can still update my shipping adress and "Estimated to ship:" says "Sep. 30" but I'm not holding my breath to be honest.

cinder canopy
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"This order is being processed. To change the shipping address, please contact support as soon as possible."

Ordered in October

pearl frigate
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Are there an limitations in terms of which m.2 ssd to put in? I am looking for something as large as possible but wanna make sure it’s compatible

fresh bough
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Pretty sure it was discussed earlier, search the channel

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think they mentioned just stay within power specs and you'll be fine

vale ember
pearl frigate
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I wanna put something like influxDB and grafana on it for Sensor & log data analytics

fresh bough
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Shouldn't need insane amounts of storage for that

pearl frigate
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Does the pciE x1 Limitation somehow limit compatibility or max storage?

fresh bough
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Size ? Not really

vale ember
fresh bough
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yaaas

pearl frigate
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Not getting the Hotel reference but thanks anyway

vale ember
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It’s just an internet meme

fresh bough
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I would have preferred the Doctor Who meme version

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Just for you @vale ember

vale ember
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i have all the pis.. 5x for 3d printers, one running pihole in case server is down, one for hass, plus like 10 more in a drawer

summer arch
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Lol, I guess there were no updates on the actual yellow...

vale ember
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weird email to receive from crowdsupply about the yellow tbh

blazing aurora
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update didn't say anything about the yellow shipping.

thorny hornet
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This was not posted by the Nabu Casa team but accidentally by Crowd Supply. They quickly resolved the issue. Sorry for the inconvenience. We are hoping to have an update ready next week

vale ember
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Haha I’m not even mad it’s just funny they did that

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It’s a neat little project (wican)

fresh bough
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Hey, I want a WiCAN now

thick parrot
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there are some other offerings like that too ive been considering.

hearty orbit
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Hello, I've preordered PoE version and bought myself a Compute Module 4, originally I've ordered CM4002008 but they have shipped CM4101008.

Would having a wifi unit on the Compute Module cause a problem since there is another one Yellow board? And also they only shipped 1gb model instead of 2gb. Can 1gb sufficiently run Home Assistant?

vale ember
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nah man you need to have them send the right device.

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2gb ram is really considered the minimum

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especially with multiple addons

hearty orbit
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I've already sent them a message, waiting for an answer.

vale ember
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regarding the wifi.. i'd just keep it disabled

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i think the cm4 i ordered has it too

hearty orbit
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Thanks for the clarification

summer arch
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My understanding is the yellow board does not have WiFi, if you really need it (not recommended to have HA on WiFi) then you can buy the CM4 that has it (or a USB one I guess)... If you got a CM4 with WiFi and don't need it its ok, you can disable it...

thorn yacht
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counting down the days... i want to unbox my yellow 😄

wary pivot
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But are you going to peel the protective plastics? 😆

fresh bough
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I'm convinced people who don't peel should contact medical professionals

digital token
wary pivot
robust turtle
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I don't have any problems with leaving the protective foil on... its been running steady for months now

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last week migrated my production system to it

nimble dragon
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I keep mine running from within box... With plastic foil on. 😉

dusky hollow
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With the risk of sounding bitter (Not much, just a little 😉 ), how many think there is a chance that Crowdsupply will start to send out tracking numbers tomorrow?

vale ember
dusky hollow
fresh bough
dusky hollow
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@thorny hornet Whats the status of the batch that was shipped to CS and how many units where shipped in that batch? Also, when will the next batch to CS go out?

thorny hornet
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We are hoping to have an update ready next week

blazing aurora
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Has anything been shipped out yet? I haven't heard any updates from crowd supply in the last month. I had also ordered a SSD but haven't heard why it wasn't shipped. I won't buy through Crowd Supply again.

dusky hollow
# blazing aurora Has anything been shipped out yet? I haven't heard any updates from crowd supply...

No one knows. Zack (who is a member of Nabu Casa) stated above your remark that he is "hoping" for an update next week.
I am less than impressed that over 3 shipping dates have been missed and the updates that are received are primarily via this channel, semi unofficially, and that CrowdSupply is mute in all of this.

To not preemptively inform about missed/slipping shipping dates but rather after the fact is a pretty 💩 practice to be honest.

blazing aurora
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Thanks Bay, I took Zack's response to be for a second batch of yellows. The last that I heard was that the first batch was in California and were being sent for distribution. My order now just says pending.

dusky hollow
# blazing aurora Thanks Bay, I took Zack's response to be for a second batch of yellows. The last...

It perhaps could be, I honestly don't know.
I asked a while back how one would know if they where to get a device from the first production run to customers (the one that afaik is the only one that has been shipped and still hasn't made it out to customers) and got the respons from Zac "Your delivery date will determine that" and since my delivery date has been according to the first promised plan and then delayed multiple times I have made the assumption that I would/should be included in that run/shipment.

It could be that I am caught in the middle of production runs or stuck in the middle of no mans land with my order and that my assumption is incorrect.

I put my order in May and was originally estimated to ship on Jun 30 and is currently estimated to ship by Sep 30 with the possibility to Update shipping adress still and no update or clear status other than "Estimated to ship Sep. 30" right now on the CrowdSupply page. (Yellow Kit With Power Supply, Power Cord: EU) .

You stated your status is "Pending" , others have stated that theirs have (had) the status "This order is being processed" a while back.
Unfortunately it's alot of guessing and speculation and fairly slim on info.

Ref:
One of Zacks previous updates and my question in regards to production runs (5-6 messages after Zacks update)
#yellow-archived message
Fuwo has one of three orders stating "This order being processed" and the same expected date on all three (30 Sep)
#yellow-archived message

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limpid sequoia
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Not exactly code, I just made it nicely sorted and readable

blazing aurora
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@dusky hollow My order was place Sept 15, 2021, I am wondering if I should just save the $250 and keep my Argon 1 with ssd instead.

compact quartz
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@limpid sequoia the bot doesn't actually care about "code". It's lines of text

graceful zealot
compact quartz
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"WTH can't the bot response be changed?"

dusky hollow
wary pivot
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Don't get too excited about CrowdSupply's status. I have ordered the Yellow PoE and CrowdSupply states it as "This order is being processed". If I got the news right, the PoE just passed the EM certification and the production might just have started.

pearl frigate
junior gulch
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First I would be happy with timely updates. The 30th, a promised date has passed. With the endless schedule slips, it's the least they can do.

gleaming iron
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I also have an order from 19th September last year. Cam here for an update on delivery. I am very unimpressed.

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680% hype was created around crowdfunding. You are not addressing to this hype as people would expect to.

shut cedar
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Sorry, writing the update as we speak. I can assure you the shipping situation causes frustrations here too 😰

gleaming iron
graceful zealot
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They're still here replying. Trying to help out. That's better than most companies

blazing aurora
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My complaint is not with the Nabu Casa Staff, but most likely with Crowd Supply. The problem is I don't have enough information to know who too blame. Someone knows how many units have shipped, where they currently are and when they should be delivered. It would be nice if we knew also.

fresh bough
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Curious how bad the shipping situation can be ww tbh, I haven't had that much swing in shipping the last two years, china -> norway is still 12-15 days on 99\100 packages

graceful zealot
thorny hornet
wary pivot
# 
1046pcs Home Assistant Yellow (with CM4)
1000pcs Home Assistant Yellow Kit (with Power Supply)

86 Cartons of Yellows
3 Pallets
storm prawn
thorny hornet
storm prawn
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So no green light yet if that is the latest news.

thorny hornet
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Another update should be out today or tomorrow about POE, Shipping, etc

tender arrow
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Just great to get an update about shipping 3-4 days after it's supposed to ship. Don't expect them to have shipped anything to be fair.
Most if not all companies/logistics/startups/kickstarters provide a tracking code before it being actually shipped as they prepare the administrative thing.

sharp coral
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It's about setting the correct expectations? It's unprofessional to set dates that are unlikely to be delivered as every time it's missed (regardless on who's responsible), trust is broken. This is spoken from my experience at the day job 😅

vale ember
dusky hollow
# vale ember my crowdsupply order shows october 7th estimated to ship now..

Look at that, same here.
I assume that CrowdSupply is largely to blame for all of this. Nabu Casa is at their mercy and they don't to shit to solve or work on the situation.

They have a pretty cozy situation, being a middle man, supplying a platform, handling payments and transactions and then outsourcing or redirecting everything else like shipping, customer interactions etc.

Sent them a e-mail last week, no response. They deflect everything it seems like.

pine pilot
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@thorny hornet If at all possible, remove Crowdsupply from any future business. It’s been a terrible experience for a lot of people. Like many I don’t mind delays and I have patience. But when dealing with delays, at least have your communications in timely order. I’d advice nabu casa (for future deals) not to set penalties on delays of delivery, but do set them on improper communications.

limpid sequoia
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For now I just hope that Crowd Supply/Mouser doesn't just keep pushing the shipping date a week every week for weeks or months to come.
And as it looks right now it does seem like a good idea from Helix to keep them out of your business for the future. Then again, what other platform can be used?...

wary pivot
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4 weeks from Long Beach to Texas - that's not logistics, that's a bad joke. The Nabu Casa team can be happy they don't have to pay entrance fee for CrowdSupply's comedy show.

graceful zealot
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The lack of communication aside, slow shipping is not always the fault of crowd supply. The tracking will update when the container arrives in long beach, then it has to be unloaded, scanned through customs, and then sent out individually

wary pivot
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If I calculate with european speed limits and social regulations, a direct transport would take 4 days. Using a hub and spoke network maybe a week. For unloading a LCL shipment and customs clearance I need about a week (european port and customs authorities, if I don't have to wire transfer the import fees). Even with adding some buffer time - 4 weeks isn't impressive.

blazing aurora
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If it takes 4 weeks to go through 3 pallets (2046 yellows), US Customs is in worst shape than I thought.

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Normal shipping time from coast to coast is normally three or four days. If they arrived on Sept 6th then tomorrow will be 4 weeks, and I still don't have a tracking number to indicate that it has shipped.

graceful zealot
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If the time includes docking & unloading then time can be a lot longer

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Especially if the company has no clue what to do (which seems like crowdsupply is)

sonic hull
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`lo all, joined the server to peek in here and add a +1 to the folks who have found the date silently slipped.

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gives me some time to find a cm4 but still

wraith mesa
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So I haven't seen an email saying it shipped but just got a UPS notification this morning that a package from Mouser in Tx was scanned and shipped last night and should get to me on Thursday. If you have a UPS login for your address I'd suggest logging in and checking it out.

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Also logging into crowd supply still says the order is being processed and doesn't show any tracking information, but UPS has already picked up this package from Mouser and I haven't ordered anything from them directly in a while.

limpid sequoia
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I'm in germany and my ups is empty. I assume they are doing domestic first.
Or international doesn't work well with the address matching.

wraith mesa
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Yeah not sure about that. This is domestic. It's going from Texas to Pennsylvania.

pearl frigate
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I also got that new shipping estimate by 10/7 so let’s wait and see. Just three days to go. If anyone receives something feel free to post it here

cosmic arch
near stump
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Just received a tracking number for mine from crowdsupply. I purchased mine back in December for reference

wary pivot
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Just got an update from CrowdSupply. Estimated shipping of the PoE version on January 27th 2023 (crowdfunding batch and preorder batch).

wraith mesa
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I just got the email from Crowd Supply saying it shipped and it matches the tracking number I found earlier from UPS. Btw, for reference I ordered it in September of 2021.

hybrid path
summer arch
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I didnt get an emal but the shipping date for my POE also changed to Jan 27... 😔

mighty chasm
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Yes, that was a bit disappointing especially when the update starts with the sentence: Only good news

tender arrow
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"The fact that we include a CR2032 Lithium/Manganese battery adds cost when shipped via air freight, and requires additional paper work as well."

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That seems like something that could have been foreseen, just don't ship the battery installed/included with it?

sharp coral
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So for Poe about a 6 month delay from the original estimated shipping date

tender arrow
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But in general good update and good luck for those who ordered the PoE version. Still not clear to me when/who posts updates, Nabu Casa or Crowd Supply.

fleet cloud
thorny hornet
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When Nabu Casa posts it will say Nabu or one of the employees names

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Unfortunately, when CS posted by mistake they also used the Nabu Casa as the by... but in general that by should be accurate

fleet cloud
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What I have trouble understanding is that NC main message is that we backed CS and did not buy from NC but as I understand it by the e-mail is that it was NC that ordered the pcb (if I understood it correctly), who did we actually buy from?

#

I’ve supported NC on this previously but it’s becoming ridicolous

shut cedar
# tender arrow That seems like something that could have been foreseen, just don't ship the bat...

It is actually really confusing: As its a CR2032 with very little lithium content, it goes under a different regulation than a "proper" lithium ion battery. When we first looked at it, it seemed that most shipping companies doesn't make a big fuzz about that type of battery (at least how we understood it). In the end we then had to do paper work for it 😦 I don't think that it added a delay in the shipping process itself though, but I am not 100% sure about it.

summer arch
fleet cloud
junior gulch
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I got the ships in 3 days notice. Shipping with the battery was in the list of excuses. This is not the first time something has shipped with a cmos battery in it.... this could not have been a surprise to anyone, so it would be better that they had someone better at estimating times than making excuses.

sour token
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Mine got pushed back to Jan (POE). Might still be the fastest electronics thing I’ve backed. Still waiting for that god damn Mycroft that I backed in feb 2018….

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Or the sonnet (aug 2017), they are still fine tuning the software apparently

buoyant flare
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Is there an updated guide to migrating a home assistant installation that includes the new zha migrate anywhere? I was hoping that the https://yellow.home-assistant.io/ pages would have been expanded by the time of actual shipping.

wraith mesa
buoyant flare
# wraith mesa Curious what your plan is. Is it just to move all your ZigBee stuff to the inclu...

My plan is to move to the internal zigbee/matter chip. If it works as suggested and supports both, it cuts out an external piece of hardware. It also apppears that Matter border routers will end up being incorporated into lots of other devices - so I'm not sure having Matter onboard in the Yellow will really be significant. My fingers are crossed that over time Matter will also allow me to drop my few zwave and rtl433 devices.

warped barn
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Got a notification that mine has shipped, I'm EU

tender flame
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I got my yellow-kit today.
Where is the official yellow support channel????

I'm using a CM4-lite (no emmc) with the yellow.
Unfortunately, I'm stuck as it refuses to boot when I have NVME installed on the board.
Just solid red/green led (no flashing yellow). Nothing on console.
If I remove the NVME it starts booting and I see lots of console output.
It appears that it is installing to NVME drive (which is not installed).
[ 17.886226] haos-flash[237]: Installing Home Assitant OS 9.0 to nvme0n1.
/dev/nvme0n1 exists, but I don't see how it should w/o NVME drive installed.

summer arch
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Oh wow, cool! you must CS warehouse neighbor...

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If you got your CM4 long ago, ita possible that it has an old firmware, they added NVME boot support on a later firmeare version...

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Upgrading the firmware on those CM4 is a pita though, it requires some special process and although should be possible not 100% sure if it can be done using the yellow board, ...

tender flame
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I updated to latest stable: Bootloader: Fri 02 Sep 2022 02:10:12 PM UTC (1662127812)

old haven
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👋

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That was fast, awesome.

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The Yellow experts are Europe based so currently asleep

tender flame
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It boots fine from NVME using standard Raspbian build. HAOS is the one having problems.

sonic hull
summer arch
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Mmm, not sure then...

sonic hull
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wait, no, i can see it can be done via usb

summer arch
tender flame
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I have a carrier board... At one point HAOS booted of NVME (<8.0?) Then it broke. Was expecting yellow to have been fully tested.

sonic hull
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i haven't actually bought the cm4 yet so i might get one with some flash on it

summer arch
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If you can find one... I was able to score a lite one as well but everything else has been oos for a while, other than buying from scalper which I refuse to do... But based on today's update I now have at least 4 months to get one... Lol...

old haven
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Follow them on Twitter and enable "notify me when person tweets"

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and you get push notifications

sonic hull
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not in australia it is

hybrid path
limpid sequoia
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Curious as well. The bill does show a tax payed, so in theory...

fresh bough
dusky hollow
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Crowdsupply claims that they "prepays VAT and pre-clears customs for most packages shipped to all EU countries, the UK, Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand. This means the package is delivered directly to the backer’s door without the need for them to deal with a customs house."

https://www.crowdsupply.com/guide/fulfillment-and-logistics#vat-and-customs

But then on the other hand they have claimed three previous shipping dates and couldn't forsee/notify Nabu Casa that batteries in the shipment would cause delays, despite dealing with electrics and logistics as their core business, so I honestly don't know what to believe.

limpid sequoia
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In the end we can only wait and see and deal with whatever heads our way

shut cedar
shut cedar
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@dusky hollow the shipping date has been pushed out by us, most of the time. The last delay was related to shipping. In the end, backing a crowd funding project is not buying an off the shelf product: Engineering challenges can (and did) come up. Granted, we could have done a better job and planning/investigate the details of the logistics. It shows that NC is mostly an engineering company 😰

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As for the battery topic: It is just one of the variables in the logistics challenge: E.g. it makes it harder to even get air freight quotes. But in the end, air freight is prohibitively expensive with or without battery. It did add maybe 1-2 days to the delay, because of some paper work. The decision that we ship with battery has been made much earlier (as you need to source and include these things). I still think its the right decision to ship with battery, for two reasons
a) we want Yellow to be ready to use as much as possible
b) Time keeping is an import for an home automation system

dusky hollow
# shut cedar <@456226577798135808> the shipping date has been pushed out by us, most of the t...

I have full respect and understanding for that, it's not a small task that you have undertaken by any means. But given that this should be Crowd Supplys core business (electronic crowd funding projects) I hold them towards a higher standard than you to be honest.

It can't have been their first time encountering many of these issues and they should have been able to help you adress them in a timely manner or given you a heads up on them. I don't think that you have guessed three delivery dates out of thin air but rather based them on information from CS and/or their partners.

They should support both you and us in all of this and my impression is in all honesty that they are just a "fat cat" in the middle recursing themselves of everything both towards us the backers, and you the project.

I saw something along the lines of (can't find the post now so please have oversight if my memory doesn't serve me right) that you don't have access to specific order details in the backend either.

I have sent them a couple of e-mails during all of this, all of which have gone unanswered.

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Hopefully (for all of us since I am sure you, NC, have done, and continue to put in, ALOT of hard work) we are coming closer to the end goal

warped barn
shut cedar
# dusky hollow I have full respect and understanding for that, it's not a small task that you h...

Thanks for this clarification, appreciated 🙂 Sure, things could always be smoother, but I think Crowd Supply does a decent job (from my perspective). Would we have gone with someone else (e.g. Kickstarter) more challenges would have been shifted to us (e.g. logistics, as they don't provide that).

As for orders: We do see high level information of our backers (part number/country), but we can't handle order changes etc. And tbh, this is nice for us as its one thing fewer on our plate. That said: If you still have open issues/emails about order details where Crowd Supply does not get back to you, please let me know via DM and I'll try to get this sorted.

shut cedar
warped barn
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According to FedEx, my package is already in France. I can report on tax issue when I receive. I'm in Ireland.

wary pivot
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So it seems the ride to their warehouse has been a bit problematic, but the delivery afterwards seems to be done quickly. Finally some good news from CS' logistics side.

limpid sequoia
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I hope they deliver to europe as fast as digikey does. I'm always amazed at their 48h deliveries.

fresh bough
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I just got a delivery from American eagle in three days

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Texas instruments did 3 days too for me

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From Houston to Norway

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Meanwhile it can take 6 days for a package from me to me parents cross country

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Postage is weird

dusky hollow
rugged bramble
fresh bough
shut cedar
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@rugged bramble hm, that is a very similar report @tender flame reported yesterday. I am trying to verify this here now.

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So the installer run through completely (steady Yellow blink during installation, and only red at the end?)

rugged bramble
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Exaxtly, yes. The lights match the directions perfectly. I've tried multiple times. Each time it finishes the installer on steady yellow blinking, all lights go out, then green and red flicker, then red solid. I even left it on solid red for a minute to make sure it wasn't wrapping up.

dusky hollow
wary pivot
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Does any existing partitioning and/or formatting on the NVMe matter for using the installer or for moving the data disk? 🤔

rugged bramble
compact quartz
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Otherwise it shouldn't matter

wary pivot
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Was just a thought if the NVMe is required to have some kind of state.

compact quartz
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it gets formatted when doing a data move

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but you could clear/clean it as an extra step if it was used before

shut cedar
buoyant flare
vivid grove
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just had my email to say my yellow is on the way im in the UK for reference and I placed my order September 18th 2021

rugged bramble
rugged bramble
shut cedar
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@rugged bramble do remember when you bought the CM4?

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It might not have a firmware new enough which supports NVMe booting

rugged bramble
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Wouldn't that stop it from installing too? Or just booting?

shut cedar
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Installing would work. In that case, Linux is talking to the NVMe. The firmware only needs to talk to the NVMe to boot from..

rugged bramble
shut cedar
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Now that I think of it: Back when I tested CM4 Lite booting, I had to update the firmware. While doing so, I also changed the boot order (to include the NVMe).

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I am actually not 100% sure if Raspberry Pi ship CM4 with the NVMe in the boot order 🤔

rugged bramble
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Okay now we're getting somewhere. This makes sense.
How do I update firmware and change boot order if I just own the CM4 and the HA Yellow? No other interface boards - is that possible?

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Oh. The IO board is only $35 and is in stock - so not a huge deal... Do I need it?

shut cedar
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It should also work on the Yellow

rugged bramble
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But how do I get display out? Or should I do a headless build on a USB drive or something?

shut cedar
shut cedar
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Just tried booting Raspberry Pi OS from USB stick, that seems not to work 😅

rugged bramble
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Ugh... Okay. Bummer!

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I'm going to order the IO board - is that how you upgraded your firmware and edited boot order?

shut cedar
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Yeah back in the day I used that method.

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But if you give me some hours, I probably can make it happen with the USB installer stick

rugged bramble
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Okay, cool! I'd appreciate any help. I'm away from my place and thus all of this for the rest of the day. So I'll just check back late tonight / tomorrow. 🙂

abstract silo
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I has shipment!

abstract silo
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My order arrived, yay!

shut cedar
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Cool, which version did you order?

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@tender flame @rugged bramble can you try this new installer? It will flash the latest CM4 EEPROM firmware and add NVMe to the boot order. In a quick test the firmware update worked here, I wasn't able to verify boot order change, but it should work.

📎 yellow-installer-20221005.img.xz
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The firmware update is beeing done before flashing HAOS. In my case, I already had HAOS on the NVMe. Right after the firmware got flashed, HAOS started immediately.

abstract silo
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W/Power supply

rugged bramble
thorn yacht
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Hope my yellow will indeed be send in 2 days... No more delays would be cool hahaha

hexed obsidian
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Received my yellow. Great packaging. Very pretty case.

Not quite sure what I am going to do with it yet!

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Is there a power status light on the device?

hexed obsidian
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Looks to be DOA. Have tried a couple of different 12V power supplies 😕

compact quartz
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@hexed obsidian yellow with cm4?

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The power supply it came with fails?

hexed obsidian
compact quartz
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That's what I was going to ask heh

hexed obsidian
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It was just all rattling around in there....

compact quartz
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Heat sink too?

hexed obsidian
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Yup

compact quartz
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So you see it has more than one light now I assume

hexed obsidian
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oh yea....it is booting

tender flame
# shut cedar Cool, which version did you order?

Thanks for the new installer image.
I did an initial boot w/o NVME attached so it should hopefully have gotten the new pieprom loaded.
When I attached the NVME again no output to console. I see to quick flashes of green led then solid green/red.
I then did a carefully timed hotplug of NVME after boot had started and HAOS got installed on NVME. However, booting with NVME attached gave same issue as before.

Could it be a problem with NVME type? It is a "SK hynix BC711 128GB PCIe NVMe M.2 2230 Gen 3 x 4 SSD, 0X3K2X, HFM128GD3GX013N", any know issues with this?

I have ordered a "Samsung SSD 256GB PM991 M.2 2242 42mm PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe MZALQ256HAJD MZ-ALQ2560" to try. Should be here tomorrow.

I have attached the boot log below for the case where I where I hotplugged the NVME:
https://pastebin.com/uESxydQL

graceful zealot
shut cedar
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@tender flame it could be NVMe related yes. Can you try and see if something appears on the serial console on USB-C?

tender flame
shut cedar
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Sorry, missed that part somehow.

So U-Boot would print something on the console accessible via USB-C as well. If U-Boot doesn't appear there, it seems to be the Raspberry Pi firmware wasn't able to load U-Boot from the NVMe.

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However, that is weird, as you said earlier Raspberry Pi OS works?

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Is that from NVMe as well?

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(as in, no other storage which might be involved in the boot flow whatsoever?)

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CM4 on Yellow boots as follows:
Internal Boot ROM -> on-(CM4-)board EEPROM -> RPi firmware from NVMe/eMMC storage start4.elf -> U-Boot -> Kernel.

If there is no U-Boot output, but Raspberry Pi OS works from the same NVMe, then it must be the RPi firmware which behaves differently. We use the RPi provided firmware, so that makes it quite odd actually, unless the version would matter. Do you know what version of the RPi version your RPi OS installation has been using? HAOS uses the latest stable from RPi (1.20220830, see https://github.com/home-assistant/buildroot/commit/5468d36a26b8d4319c317b2c79c469f36e6d23a2)

rugged bramble
shut cedar
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Hm, so that means the installer is running. At what rate is the Yellow LED flashing?

rugged bramble
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I just DMd you a video.

hexed obsidian
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Any idea if Zigbee2MQTT can be used with the onboard zigbee hardware?

shut cedar
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The new Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow attached above is now official released. So NVMe installation should work with older CM4s now as well, as the installer does a CM4 update first.

shut cedar
hexed obsidian
shut cedar
hexed obsidian
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On my production system I use Conbee II + DeConz. This is my first time trying zigbee2mqtt. Thank you for your help.

tender flame
compact quartz
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@tender flame did you try the new installer?

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As of 5 hrs ago

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Or so

tender flame
compact quartz
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Oh that might have been the one

shut cedar
# tender flame I’m currently unable to boot from NVMe only. With Raspbian OS I can boot from US...

Hm, so maybe an older firmware worked? I'd raise an issue with the Raspberry Pi firmware team, as we rely really on their firmware for this stage (https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware). If they solved the problem (or if you have a working combination), best is to open an issue in our tracker with the specific Raspberry Pi OS/firmware version which works for you in our bug tracker (https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/).

FWIW, it is quite possible that 32-bit/64-bit makes a difference. If that turns out to be true, make sure to report that to the RPi firmware folks as well. For Yellow, we support only 64-bit.

shut cedar
tender flame
# shut cedar Yeah that is the latest, which updates to RPi's latest firmware.

I got the new Samung nvme drive and it boots without issue: "Samsung SSD 256GB PM991 M.2 2242 42mm PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe MZALQ256HAJD MZ-ALQ2560" 🥳 🥳 🥳

The original SK Hynix drive which fails to boot is "SK hynix BC711 128GB PCIe NVMe M.2 2230 Gen 3 x 4 SSD, 0X3K2X, HFM128GD3GX013N" 😠

I don't know what the difference between the two drives may be... Anyway I have a working system now 🙂
You may want to make a note that tha particular SK Hynix model is not compatible with boot process.

limpid sequoia
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I hope the Micron 2300 is compatible, I got a few for my and my friends systems.
I have one Samsung PM 981 OEM drive lying around, as Samsung seems to work, so if Micron doesn't do it I can get at least one system up.
I hoped it wouldn't come down to a "guess which drives work" kind of lottery

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Also yay, my second order from 9th feb has reached the "This order is being processed"-stage

hazy orchid
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Hey ho i just received the yellow but something is not working quite right. I installed a Samsung EVO 970 NVME and when plugging power in the red led is on continously and green is blinking 3x slow and then 5x fast. Short pause and again. Any ideas whats going on?
It seems its the same like here: #yellow-archived message
I think i can update the fw when installing on the eMMC, right?
Question: How can i flash something again from usb? Factory reset just seems to reinstall HA
EDIT: Installing with the latest installer first without a plugged in NVME and instal it afterwards + factory reset make it work. 🙂

wide mural
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Hi

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I just got my yellow but i wont power on. Is there something i need to do other than plugging it in ?

fresh bough
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Does your power supply actually deliver any power?

compact quartz
wide mural
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Thanks that did the trick

limpid sequoia
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I just got a Tracking number... weird about it is that it is the order form February. The december one is still in processing

rustic sand
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I too have a dead on arrival Yellow. The Power Supply Unit seems fine. What do I need to do to check the seating of the Pi?

sour token
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do they come with HA OS installed, or are you trying to run the installer now? any lights flashing?

compact quartz
wide mural
compact quartz
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@rustic sand yeah you should check for the same

rustic sand
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What do I need to check exactly? Not used a CM4 before.

compact quartz
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Take the case off by removing the foot screws, there's a black heatsink, the CM4 is under that. You should be able to see it from the edge. It's small and has two inserts on either side kind of like tracks.

rustic sand
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Do I need to take the heatsink off? And how? Will I then need thermal paste and stuff for it to go back?

compact quartz
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It extends out a bit. You may not need to remove the heatsink. @wide mural did you take yours off?

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It's the green part here and should line up with a white rectangle printed on the board

rustic sand
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It's there and so far as I can see by shining a light in, it is connected

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The heatsink is connected to the motherboard though with two pins

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Ah wiggled it and I get lights! These things must be getting dislodged slightly in transit!

strange sphinx
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Received a Yellow kit today, and installed the CM4 (4GB RAM and 8GB Disk). Mounted a WD Black SN850X PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 - 1TB which is a 2280 module and as such should be supported. I downloaded the Yellow installer from above, and started the install process. HA installs fine, but there is no access to the NVMe disk. I can't see it from anywhere. Tried to follow the procedure @hazy orchid had success with, by installing without the disk installed first, and then installing it afterwards, but I still get the same result. I did quite a few Factory Resets also but nothing will make the disk visible. Anything else I could try?

compact quartz
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@strange sphinx it doesn't appear at Settings > System > Storage when using the 3 dots in the upper right corner?

strange sphinx
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No, the only option I have here is "Move Datadisk" and when I click that I get "No suitable storage found"

rustic sand
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How do I add bluetooth? Plug in a bluetooth dongle to the USB port and it will just work, or does more need to be installed?

compact quartz
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@rustic sand after plugging in to the usb port it will be detected and the bt integration should be offered. You might try restarting HA if it isn't

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You'll see the integration at Settings > Devices in the UI

hazy orchid
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I stumbled over another issue. After setting everything up i shutted down the system (via UI). Waited for the shutdown disconnected everything and connected everything at the final place. Now the leds are blinking like its doing something but ethernet does not come up. LED Indicators at the switch are also off.
Cable and switch are fine 100%. No idea whats going on

compact quartz
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What did setting everything up involve?

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any network changes?

hazy orchid
# compact quartz any network changes?

I restored my backup and switched the network config to automatic cause after the restore the showed IP was wrong(old host) and i thought automatic would be a great idea. Restarted everything and removed a few dead integrations. Worked fine until then.
BTW: Now the yellow LED is just blinking green stays off

compact quartz
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Are you referring to DHCP or the Home Assistant URLs?

hazy orchid
compact quartz
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Ok so the internal IP was wrong there after your restore and you set it to auto

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that's not going to effect the actual ip address

hazy orchid
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It seems the ethernet does not come up at all as there is not even the connection indicator LED of the switch turned on like there is no device connected

compact quartz
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you could also have manually set it to the current ip, but auto should be fine

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you have unplugged and replugged both ends for ethernet?

hazy orchid
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Yep - also changed cable and port and verified cable and ports are working

compact quartz
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unplugged power yet?

hazy orchid
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yes once (after waiting roughly 15mins) Same result. Should i just try a factory reset? Nothing important is lost anyway. Just feels odd and wanted to share

compact quartz
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yeah

hazy orchid
compact quartz
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without reset?

hazy orchid
shy quartz
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I brought the Yellow to life and restored the backup of my original system. Then I moved my data disk to the NVMe module. By doing that does that essentially remove using the embedded MMC on the CM4 module?

Struggled last night with the NVMe until I saw the move data option.

So far everything is working, just need to bring my zigbee stuff online. Migrate it from deConz to the chip onboard.

limpid sequoia
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Estimated to ship: Oct. 14, 2022
I am sooooo amazed by Crowdsupply/Mouser...

dusky hollow
limpid sequoia
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Most amazing:
Order from 8th December: Was Processing the longest, now postponed to 14th
Order from 9th Februray: Is shipped and will arrive Tuesday
Order from 20th March: Not even processing, now postponed to 14th

How is the second order the first to ship? I have the feeling they just wing it and have no solid idea on what they are doing

dusky hollow
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Yeah, it's apparently like a big lottery all of this. Some orders are ore assembled while others are rattling around in the case #yellow-archived message

old haven
dusky hollow
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Getting more and more unimpressed by all of this

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Yet another postponed delivery date and no heads up info either but rather a silent update on the delivery page

old haven
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(Don’t try this at home)

near compass
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wonder if it's more of a "sustained vibrations from sitting in a delivery truck on bad roads/sorting conveyor belts/etc." thing (you may be testing for that too though, no presumption on my part, just speculating)

old haven
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Yeah. Either way it sucks and we need to fix it

dusky hollow
old haven
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That’s out of our control. Mouser is shipping them out as soon as possible

fresh bough
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That just looks like regular US package delivery, good someone is testing for that too 😉

warped barn
wary pivot
fresh bough
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Meanwhile in Norway the postal lady comes to my door if the package doesn't fit 😄

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And she rings the doorbell twice!

wary pivot
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Fake news! No postal person would ever do that! 😆 😎

fresh bough
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As @hushed kayak says, _Norway the land of 🦄 and 🧚 _

shut cedar
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We shipped quite some prototypes around the world, but didn't notice loose CM4. That said, we often shipped without CM4 (since those are rare 😅 ), and usually that was air mail directly from factory. The journey to you backers was a bit longer and different, so that might have contributed.

fresh bough
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Probably transported around in a Chrysler Town And Country 1995, the ride comfort in that was horrid

shut cedar
rustic sand
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Just helped someone on Facebook. Red light on but nothing else. Nudging the CM4 fixed it.

compact quartz
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oy i haven't checked fb today

toxic ledge
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I've got my Yellow and want to move my HA deployment. Currently it is running as a docker container. When I goto Backup, I see ir says that the Backup is currently being created. I've let this over night, and restarted and still not getting anything backed up. Not seeing anyting in the logs. Running 2022.10.1. Any ideas. I thought of starting fresh, but would like my energy history moved over

vivid grove
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I cant access my yellow the yellow led and green are flashing but nothing via browser im definately using the correct ip but as I say noting and this has been going on for some time

compact quartz
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@vivid grove ip_address:8123 ?

vivid grove
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yep

compact quartz
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@toxic ledge a backup for container install is basically just a copy of your config directory.

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You can skip the backup process and just copy that over to the new installations config directory

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Tried homeassistant.local:8123?

vivid grove
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yep

compact quartz
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Can you ping it?

vivid grove
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yeah

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i tried factory reset but that hasnt helped

rustic sand
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Using http not https?

vivid grove
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ive tried both just to be sure

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ive shut down my working home assistant so there can be no doubt

compact quartz
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It would be http. There's no preconfigured SSL for a new install

vivid grove
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i just see double flashing yellow led and the odd green flash but nothing on the browser

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i know it woulr

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I know it would be http

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but at this point ive run out of ideas

rustic sand
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In command prompt try this and see if it connects straight away or just times out: telnet ip_address:8123

vivid grove
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im guessing I need to enable telnet somewhere because it says its not recognised

rustic sand
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If you're windows yeah you need to go into add programs and find the bit where you can install Windows features and it is in there somewhere

vivid grove
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got it installing now

rustic sand
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Is space nor colon... telnet ip 8123

vivid grove
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connection failed

rustic sand
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Have you used HA before and been able to connect to port 8123?

vivid grove
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yeah i run a vm as I said I shut it down to make sure

shut cedar
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Since you did a factory reset, the system needs to redownload Home Assistant Core etc. Depending on internet speed that may take a while. Or not succeed at all, if there are connectivity issues of some sort.

vivid grove
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ok so how long should I leave it I have a gigabit connection

shut cedar
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It is about 1GB, and gets downloaded from GitHub.. Depends how good your connectivity is to there...

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For me it takes about 5 minute'ish

vivid grove
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ok well its been going on for at least an hour

shut cedar
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There is also The Home Assistant observer, an emergency plug-in on port 4357. Does that work?

vivid grove
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nope that doesnt do anything either

shut cedar
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Ok, then your system has problems downloading anything from GHCR it seems

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Did you order the variant with CM4 included?

vivid grove
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yeah

shut cedar
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ok.