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fringe moon
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onyx pier
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The Phillips Hue integration requires hub inside HA.

winged knoll
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You don't need their hub

fringe moon
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It requires a coordinator

onyx pier
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So individual device IP

fringe moon
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No

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It's a mesh

winged knoll
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And no IP

onyx pier
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Hmm..

winged knoll
fringe moon
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It isn't IP based, so it is fully local

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And almost a agreed upon standard

winged knoll
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Vaguely

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More of a set of guidelines, really ๐Ÿ˜›

fringe moon
proven girder
fringe moon
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Don't bring Cisco into this

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๐Ÿคข

proven girder
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Oh I was bringing apple, cisco, microsoft, HP, Dell, etc etc into this

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They're all just as bad

fringe moon
fervent ocean
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I'm trying to plan how to fully automate my living room/kitchen lights. I've seen around people using media players to detect presence, but I might not be playing anything at some point and I guess that's the real challenge! I also saw stuff around motion sensors but I'm afraid those will fire when my big dog is moving around, any suggestions/ideas on how to solve this?

winged knoll
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There's no good affordable solutions right now

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Careful placing of sensors can cut down on dog detection - I've mounted the "entering the living room" motion sensor so that it looks across the doorway, rather than down.

fervent ocean
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when you install one of those motion sensors, how do you debug? just by moving around and checking the state changes?

winged knoll
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Pretty much

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Though it's 5 foot off the ground, the dog has no hope of triggering it

sly owl
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Fun part is that the Aqara sensors have a 2(?) minute cooldown period so you must wait 2 minutes after each try ๐Ÿ™‚

zealous dune
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1 minute

fervent ocean
zealous dune
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reducible to less via hardware mods

winged knoll
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You can modify them to a sub 5 second cooldown

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Or buy other sensors

sly owl
zealous dune
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yes

fringe moon
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I have that

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Just for lulz

zealous dune
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how have you not seen the need?

sly owl
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By giving ample time before lights go off ๐Ÿ™‚

fervent ocean
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I'll have to learn about that then ๐Ÿ™‚

sly owl
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I need to get myself a pressure sensor hooked up to an Aqara contact sensor and put it in my chair. That looks neat. Getting notifications shouted at me to get up.

fervent ocean
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and is there any reliable sensor that could measure distance or something similar?

zealous dune
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a time-of-flight sensor

fervent ocean
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I'm trying to think (probably I'm speaking crazy things) how I could count people in the room

zealous dune
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an ultrasonic distance sensor

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get a minion that will count them, its probably the most reliable way

winged knoll
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Wait for Xiaomi's new sensor

sly owl
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Do you actually need to know how many people in the room?

winged knoll
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Or spend a fortune on Xandem

sly owl
fervent ocean
zealous dune
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camera and AI

fervent ocean
winged knoll
fervent ocean
sly owl
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Ah, yes, that one

sly owl
zealous dune
fervent ocean
sly owl
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What do you do if you're not moving?

fervent ocean
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reading? playing piano? maybe just speaking with somebody else on the table/sofa?

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I haven't tried yet the motion sensors, but I understand you need to move quite a lot... like when you go to a toilet and the lights turn off while you're there

winged knoll
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That's just shitty coding

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Door was closed and motion continued, until the door opens the room must be in use

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It's utterly lazy thinking to go - no motion == no person

fervent ocean
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I almost never close doors in the living room (unless you mean for the toilet, which yeah I had that in mind)

winged knoll
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Our living room door hasn't been closed in years ๐Ÿ˜„

fervent ocean
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and my example related to a typical toilet in a bar or something like that ๐Ÿ˜‚

winged knoll
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For now you need lots of sensors and lots of logic

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Once mmWave sensors become available at sane prices then you'll have more options

sly owl
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You could do pressure sensors in the sofa/chair without much trouble. And combine them with motion sensors. And if you watch TV, don't let lights go off if TV is on.

winged knoll
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Load cells are the best way of determining if furniture is in use - and you can even probably tell who/what

fervent ocean
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oh interesting

winged knoll
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Oy, mutt! Get off my chair!

sly owl
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My living room logic is 4 motion sensors reporting motion without any logic or automation attached. Then I use 'ok google, turn off the lights' instead. ๐Ÿ˜†

fervent ocean
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any example of those devices so I can research more?

winged knoll
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Most load cells are things hooked up to ESP type devices

sly owl
fervent ocean
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well, I guess I'll buy a couple of motion sensors and will see how I do with ti.. unfortunately those door sensors aren't available in amazon uk and not sure where else I could buy these kind of things in Ireland

sly owl
fervent ocean
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I always forget about that option!

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exactly the same when I order something there and I forget that I did ๐Ÿคฃ

sly owl
fervent ocean
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Yeah, I used gearbest for my roborock a few years ago, forgot about it!

sly owl
fervent ocean
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What are the vibration sensors for BTW?

sly owl
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Well... some people attach it to their washing machine to have it notify when done but that's much better solved with a power meter (smart plug that measures Watt).

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I've had a vibration sensor connected to HA for years now but haven't found a use for it yet. ๐Ÿ˜„

fervent ocean
sly owl
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You didn't say your piano was electric. ๐Ÿ™‚

fervent ocean
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True ๐Ÿ˜‚

zealous dune
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washing machine, bed, toilet seat

sly owl
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Yeah, I've read people use them for the toilet seat. The WAF on that one is probably poor but I haven't seen pictures of it.

fervent ocean
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How sensible are they? Would it measure something if you place it in the floor for example?

zealous dune
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depends on the floor

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and the number of elephants in your home

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aqara one has various sensitivity settings and it can be very sensitive

fringe moon
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I walk on my heels

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You can hear me from a mile away

sly owl
winged knoll
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Tuya

zealous dune
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buy one and let us know how bad it is

sly owl
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yes, do it @fervent ocean

winged knoll
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Tuya: We know the Zigbee spec is more like vague guidelines, but even that was too much like hard work

zealous dune
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it has fall alarm tho

sly owl
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The elderly dude on the floor in the picture is probably just picking it up

zealous dune
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maybe its fail alarm but they did a typo

winged knoll
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Nah, in that case it'd never stop going off... oh, hang on

sly owl
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What are the weird blue things on it?

winged knoll
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On the sides?

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Those are the clips

sly owl
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Ah, thanks. Inside a 'hole' in the ceiling.

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My ceiling is concrete. I'm not doing that.

winged knoll
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Yeah, same as you'd mount a flush mounted spot

proven girder
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Or a downlight

fervent ocean
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I spent almost 400 on lights though ๐Ÿค”

fast eagle
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Hi Guys, I'm looking for suggestions for smartlocks that work with HA. our house lock looks like this, which makes it incompatible with most locks...
https://cln.sh/LrpKcl <- photo of our Corbin Russwin lock

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Ideally it would be awesome to have a lock with all the features of Lockly Vision (fingerprint, fob/key backup, & code). Ideally ZWave would probably be best?

modern ginkgo
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Are the majority of smart doorbells wifi or ethernet/poe?

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Wondering if I should run ethernet while I can, currently have a wired ring that just takes 24V

winged knoll
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Run it, you can use the same wires for a standard 24V doorbell after all

modern ginkgo
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Sure, terminated or un-terminated?

gentle fossil
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switchbots work great, maybe need the solar adapter for them additionally.
and also the configuration with 4 bots on a single rail is quite awful (4 curtains on one rail) - one needs to make the open/close sequences manually in ha, accounting for 50% as closed if the first one should stay closed etc...)
it's also worth noting that the included wheels do not fit standard ikea rails unfortunately. the smaller wheels fall off on one side and the bigger ones just dont fit.
I put a dremel to work and made the big ones fit.
all in all a good buy though

sly owl
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Why haven't they made switchbots on ZigBee yet?

glossy epoch
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spent the last three days trying to figure out why my Sonoff RF bridge was not picking up my fan remote.....just looked up the FCCID and the remote is 303mhz. :/

modern ginkgo
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What's the recommended hardware to run a HA+zigbee network? I might segregate that from my unraid dockers

bright jacinthBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: atxbyea
fringe moon
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I just swapped to the tube Poe coordinator

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Great

modern ginkgo
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Mine comes in today!

fringe moon
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Oh, you are asking for host hardware

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Any machine that isn't s pi

modern ginkgo
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Yeah probably

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Want something small like that

fringe moon
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Lots of great fanless minicomputers

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And laptops

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Used is always great

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I run my ha between two hosts, one miniitx j4105 and one dell r510

modern ginkgo
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I could always use another desktop for it I guess

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Unfortunately the unraid server is too convenient lol

fringe moon
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Truenas scale master race

modern ginkgo
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My first server was freenas

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I had no idea what was going on and never wanted to touch it

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Unraid was sooo much nicer

obtuse raven
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Why not a Pi though? I haven't noticed any issues when booting off an nvme drive.

fringe moon
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Subpar storage / networking for a pi3, no scalability for a pi4

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Let's not pull power subsystem into this

obtuse raven
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Pi4, booting off a usb3 nvme enclosure, with a poe hat ๐Ÿ˜„ 's fiiiiine ๐Ÿ˜„

fringe moon
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It's... Fine

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Until it isn't

obtuse raven
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Fair enough, I'm prepared to look for alternatives when my automations get too large for it to handle.

fringe moon
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A pi4 + nvme + Poe hat will usually end you in more capable hardware at the same price

obtuse raven
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Not when you paid nothing for the pi4 + hat though

fringe moon
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That's cheating

obtuse raven
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Is it? ๐Ÿ˜„

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But yeah, I get the point. It's not exactly the cheapest piece of kit

modern ginkgo
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I like how unraid only needs a coordinator for zigbee

fringe moon
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Yeah, I bought a j1900 with 2xm2slots and SSD +8gb ram for $100

gentle fossil
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no need for storage on the pi though if you already have a 24/7 machine smart

obtuse raven
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If/when I need to replace, I'll likely look for an old rack-mounted server to run it on. Get some ESXi goodness going

fringe moon
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Lots of cheap e5-26xx v2 or v3 systems

obtuse raven
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Aye, but for now something like that just seems a bit overkill

fringe moon
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hides his rack

obtuse raven
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That would also mean I'd need to do some... Trickery with my zigbee network ๐Ÿ˜„ Rack's in the garage, which is a seperate building. And pretty much all of the zigbee gear is in the main house.

fringe moon
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No issues

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Poe coordinator

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My rack is in a concrete and rebar garage

obtuse raven
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I tried to place the rack in my office, but the wife was having absolutely none of that ๐Ÿ˜„

fringe moon
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Next house I'm buying will have two garages

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One for cars, one for studio and racks

obtuse raven
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So.. One garage, one man-cave-ish-rec-room? ๐Ÿ˜„

fringe moon
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Yes

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And office probably

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Garages with attics aren't rare here

gentle fossil
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you just drive there, watch some tv and drive back home. right?

fringe moon
barren birch
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Any recommendation for cheap zwave or zigbee thermostats in Canada?
my budget is pretty low. I guess I would like about 60$ cad or less for 1.
I guess there's not many cheap one out there. I'm asking just in case.

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I'm keeping an eye on online used markets too.

modern ginkgo
barren birch
modern ginkgo
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Pretty much. I would use it for hydronic heating, not electric, but same idea

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All a thermostat is is a programable relay

barren birch
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yeah. I was wondering if the insurance would refuse to pay if there's a fire or something.
but those relays are certified, right? maybe that's enough.

gentle fossil
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i just use my motion sensors as temp sensors

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a relay board and a esp is enough to control my floor heating zones

modern ginkgo
barren birch
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really? even if sold in local stores?

modern ginkgo
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Just a guess, no idea

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But for electric heating I would try to find a line level zigbee themostat

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Might want to consider a wifi model, I can't really find my zigbee options

barren birch
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I was wondering if it would make sense to use an esp board and try to jump the power of my current thermostat buttons.

modern ginkgo
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Themostats are on/off relays so you can probably do a lot

barren birch
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yeah I saw the Stelpro. not super cheap. but I can bring them with me if I move.

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I don't know much about electronics. I wonder if I take a tiny wire and pulse/short the input and output of a button, if it would make the thermostat go up 1 value.

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I would guess the buttons use a low voltage and not the 240v ๐Ÿ˜†

modern ginkgo
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That doesnt look too bad

barren birch
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$105.56 USD per thermostat is not cheap. but could be an investment.

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one guy on facebook is selling some 60$ CAD each. but there's always the risk or getting ripped off.

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maybe I should just buy 1. and buy the others if it works and the others are still available.

paper lodge
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apparently the channel named #hardware-archived is the correct place to discuss hardware.. who would've though it? not me apparently

hey guys. no idea where to ask, so why not try here.

I'm looking for a battery backup / UPS hat or module of some sort for my pi 4b running home assistant. But specifically, I want something which can survive somewhat harsh conditions without deciding to go up in flames. So li ion or lipo is probably not gonna be the way to go. I was thinking maybe NiMH? All I need is like 5 minutes running off the battery, to be able to warn the user and shut down properly. Any ideas?

winged knoll
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On a Pi4 a decent sized USB C PD battery bank may work

vivid sapphire
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I'm going to plug 2x SDR-RTL USB devices into my HA, but one is already running 433Mhz and I want the 2nd one to run at 917Mhz... Any idea how I can get HA to do this?

winged knoll
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Well, HA wouldn't do that - the software interacting with the stick would

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What are you planning on using?

barren birch
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apparently the channel named hardware is the correct place to discuss hardware.. who would've though it? not me apparently
for a second I thought you were talking about me ๐Ÿ˜…

vivid sapphire
dapper patrol
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How do y'all mount your sensors (e.g. Aqara temp/humidity)? I'm hesitant to use the included adhesive mounting tape because I tend to move things around a lot (also, I would have to replace the tape when the battery needed changing).

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specifically wondering about magnetic mounting

paper lodge
paper lodge
# winged knoll On a Pi4 a decent sized USB C PD battery bank may work

Possibly, but there's always the problem that you don't know what you're getting. Some power banks are great, and some have absolutely nothing in the way of safety / protection circuitry, along the lines of 'just smack a buck boost convertor onto an 18650, add the most basic charging circuit you can, and hope for the best'. And many don't advertise whether they even support both trickle charging the battery and running the load simultaneously. Because, well, that's not usually a major selling point.

paper lodge
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I still kinda wanna steer away from anything li. But all the other alternatives just seem a bit shit. NiMH doesn't hold charge and can't really be trickle charged from what I've read. Then there's lead acid or NiCd which have horrible energy densities, and their own complications.

dapper patrol
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found some ceramic disc magnets in my toolbox and they stick to the sensor and the dishwasher, but not the inside walls of the fridge or mini fridge

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suction cup?

twilit relic
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hey all. looking for a power sensor (wifi, zigbee, anything really) with a SENSITIVE power (watts) attribute. i've tried 3 different power switches so far, and none of them are sensitive enough to pick up the power my small appliance uses

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when my device is "on" it's using 0.3-0.5 watts, and when it's off, it's using 0.2 to 0.3 watts

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i really need something with at least 2-3 more decimal points

whole vault
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Hey. Helping a friend look for some smart RGB bulbs for his room. They need to be WiFi since heโ€™s using Google Home, and they need to be rated for 220V electricity. The 220V bulbs are scarce on Amazonโ€ฆ. Any help would really be appreciated!

vivid sapphire
twilit relic
proven girder
mortal pawn
fringe moon
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Yes

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Zha and zigbee2mqtt can use those fine

fervent ocean
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I recently bought some strip lights from lidl, is there a way to upgrade the firmware without their hub? I have it configured with mqtt2zigbee

safe meteor
# dapper patrol How do y'all mount your sensors (e.g. Aqara temp/humidity)? I'm hesitant to use ...

I have about a dozen sensors. It really all depends on what they are. Leak sensors sit near/under water sources. Door sensors I have mounted with double-stick tape for the sensor and Velcro for the magnet (so things line up properly). For temp sensors, theyโ€™re so small and inconspicuous that I just sit them away from a window/light source, and let them do their thing. The old motion sensor went up on the wall w/double-stick tape.

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Hope that helps.

safe meteor
modern ginkgo
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Any recommendations for cheap live view cameras I can use in the HA dashboard?

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Currently have amcrest camera but don't need anything crazy

civic kraken
modern ginkgo
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Thanks, didn't see that category

shy river
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Does anyone know if there's like, a big zigbee button on the market for sale

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For whatever reason my cat likes to annoy the hell out of me until I turn the air purifier in my room full blast, so i want to teach her to turn it on herself whenever she wants

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I was thinking of something like one of those speaking pet buttons

gloomy elbow
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How big do you need it to be? Cats can be pretty dextrous to get what they want

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E.g. one of the IKEA Shortcuts buttons is definitely tappable with a paw.

shy river
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Hm would you mind sending a picture of the one you have in mind

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i would really appreciate it

gloomy elbow
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(Source: Fostered a cat, kept wondering why music was playing everywhereโ€”she'd tap the top of the HomePod, and press the Shortuts button to turn on/off the lights.)

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I don't have one handy, but they're on the website

shy river
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oh yeah i am just worried there are different models

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some of which aren't tappable with a paw

gloomy elbow
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No there aren't. Just the one model of Shortcuts button

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It's a large flat surface and the whole of it is the button

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(Large as far as some buttons go anyway)

shy river
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Sweet seems like exactly what i want

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I just hope it doesn't require a lot of pressure to press

gloomy elbow
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Nope, not a lot. And it supports short and long button presses

gloomy spoke
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"teach" and "cat" usually don't belong in the same sentence

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maybe a motion sensor

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My cat liked to sit on the UPS that powers my network equipment/cable modem and would, without fail, press the power button and turn it all off. It wasn't a big button, so weird how she always used to press exactly that location

shy river
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yeah they love to press the "button" on these sort of devices, i think they either find it satisfying to press it or to distract you for attention

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oh well rip not sold here

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only the round circular ones and the on off ones

gloomy elbow
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Xiaomi have a round button which is also an entirely tappable surface.

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Usually if the cat sees you do it, and it achieves a result it desires, it will "learn" the behaviour. But, there's no guarantee

shy river
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this one?

gloomy elbow
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Yup, that looks like mine!

shy river
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Awesome thanks again

gloomy elbow
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The buttons are cheap enough and repurpose-able enough for it to be worth a shot.

chrome portal
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Does anyone run a Zigbee USB stick AND a Hue Bridge concurrently? Do they interfere with each other?

fringe moon
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Two meshes makes little sense

chrome portal
fringe moon
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Move everything off the hue bridge

chrome portal
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Which may never happen, but I figured I'd be prepared

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The problem with that is the integration with Hue and Google is very good. Right now there are issues using Google with HA through NabuCasa

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As long as they won't interfere with each other I'm fine.

fringe moon
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There are no issues using ZigBee devices through ha using Google

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Best regards someone with 120+ ZigBee devices

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I can control my lights fine through either screen or voice

zealous dune
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get a Tuya device and you'll reach that point quickly

chrome portal
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May I DM you for more details?

fringe moon
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In the open anyone can assist you

chrome portal
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I didn't want to clog up chat. sorry. The etiquette of this server is very different than that of other servers I'm in

zealous dune
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yeah, no meme spamming here

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only questions and solutions

chrome portal
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I mean about replies, pings, DMs, etc

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So, I signed up for HA cloud so I can use my Google Home to control my lights. There is a decent amount of lag (4-6 seconds) but I'm ok with that (some of it I'm sure is the voice recognition to Google Cloud). The issue is that about 25% of the time I get an error and the device fails to respond.

fringe moon
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I have never had issues, but I dropped nabu casa

chrome portal
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Hmm. I tried doing it without it but my router does not like to forward ports, apparently.

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I tried to follow the steps of a guide and then I couldn't connect to the HA unit except through SSH

fringe moon
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Unless you are behind cgnat it should be a breeze, and if SSH worked over the internet you should be fine

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Unless your ISP blocks port 443

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Which is odd

chrome portal
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Doubtful. I have Spectrum

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They're slow and expensive, but reliable and pretty flexible.

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I guess I'll try again. I need to use the written guide instead of the YT video.

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But back to the question, I have a Hue Bridge and I'll have a SONOFF Zigbee stick in 2 weeks. If they play nice together, I can just leave things as is.

fringe moon
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Unless you use overlapping channels, sure

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But again

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Makes no sense to have two mesh

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You will have a worse experience

chrome portal
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Hmm

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Is NC the only way to control HA when not on the local network?

fringe moon
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No

chrome portal
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I should have specified "from the phone app"

glossy prism
proper sluice
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My raspberry pi 4b+ fell and the SD card holder broke. I want to download HA and adjust the startup so it reads my SSD. Not the SD card. Like itโ€™s non-replaceable fixable. However, I made it work a month ago. And now I have no idea. Please help with links if anyone had this problem. Make it an assumption that itโ€™s reading SD card. I canโ€™t use a temp one to download the correct the EEPROM like in the video. Iโ€™m 1 in a million case and stuck on troubleshooting this. Everything on the pi works perfect but it fell and that SD CARD reader snapped. Again lmk

jovial sun
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Hi! I'm looking for a smart plug which I can use without a gateway/hub device. Currently I'm loooking at DSP-W118, which from what I can see, is possible to be used via "mydlink", furhter integrated to IFTTT, which would then furhter be integrated to Home Assistant. What I'm slightly concerned about is the seeming lack of compatibility with other solutions; meaning that I would be at mercy for continued support from Dlink (Which it seems that they have had an incident with before).

Does anyone here know of a good smartplug that works with or without a local hub?
I personally own a Philips Hue Bridge already, but one of the sites I will install a smartplug at does not have one.

gloomy elbow
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What's the intention of the smart plug and why does that need to be in home assistant?

proven girder
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If youโ€™re not in the USA/ if you get lucky otherwise the TP Link plugs are wifi and local access supported

eternal mason
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Anyone know why, in a six pack of ZigBee bulbs, 2/6 just won't let me adjust the lighting entity? Even after deleting and factory resetting, the same 2 just don't let me even turn them off in the HA app.

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The app says the device has no entities, but the ZigBee interview blinks the light so it's clearly controlling something..

eternal mason
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Nvm I just needed to reset the server ๐Ÿ™‚

fringe moon
feral night
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Wondering if homelab that runs HA and related services needs any kid of higher grade hard drive

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I'm eyeing NVMe WD Blue but i'm not sure if it will make for long

proven girder
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It can run on spinning disk if you wanted, itโ€™s not as dependant on speed as other things. Though of course ssd helps (though not to the amount that would kill it anytime soon)

feral night
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I'd love to run nvr for 3 cameras on this server too, so that's why I'm afraid about longetivity of wd blue

proven girder
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Put cameras on spinning rust then

fringe moon
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Faster disk is always preferable

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The thing most users overlook is however data resiliency

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I.e local raid / mirroring, and offsite backup

feral night
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Was thinking about backing up data at S3 or azure blob, but only last few days as personally we don't need to much of recordings

midnight raptor
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Hi all. Wondering if a 2gb ram Pi 4 will be okay for Home Assistant (w/ Adguard) or if I should use a more powerful machine. Just getting started and do not have any other integratons yet

winged knoll
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Depends on the add-ons, but it'll be ok to get started

midnight raptor
winged knoll
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I don't use HAOS...

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That said, do yourself a favour and install and configure the SSH add-on so you can fix things when you've broken it

midnight raptor
fringe moon
winged knoll
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Are you running the "blessed" Supervised install trap?

feral night
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I love your hate on HAOS

winged knoll
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I don't hate HAOS

fringe moon
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You should see me when I like something

winged knoll
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I hate Supervised, there's a very big difference

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I also hate spelling today ๐Ÿค”

fringe moon
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I hate them both equally,one of them is just shitter than the other

midnight raptor
winged knoll
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pip install?

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Then you don't have add-ons, thankfully

feral night
#

What's your method of choice granting remote access to your HA globally? VPN server at home? Reverse Proxy?

gentle fossil
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why not both?

feral night
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Dunno, I'm beginner

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Going full Homelab would be ideal for me if I found solution to host email server outside home on cheap

midnight raptor
civic kraken
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haters be hatin'

gentle fossil
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while some prefer to only expose /api/webhooks

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I like to access the ui so i use a proxy

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but i also like to have my mobile phone use my internet and enjoy having adblock via vpn

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so in my setup vpn+proxy is in effect

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waitโ€ฆ why are we talking vpn and proxy in #hardware-archived ?
this is not the place ๐Ÿ˜…

fringe moon
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I do that, and run a bridge at home

mellow pendant
#

hey guys I want to add ledstrips to my kitchen, so I ordered two 5 metre ledstrips rgbww on ali express.
The question now is, what kind of controller do I need? I prefer zigbee.

winged knoll
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Gledopto

mellow pendant
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I have a 6 gledopto controllers in my bathroom because i have 6 spots. But they dont remember the brightness setting after being turned off and on again with the switch

winged knoll
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Well, you shouldn't be doing that

mellow pendant
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So I'm not sure if thats a Gledopto thing

winged knoll
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That's an epic way of breaking your Zigbee mesh

mellow pendant
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True

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But I also want the old switches to be working aswell when my network fails

winged knoll
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So, use smart switches/dimmers and don't use smart bulbs

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Or, if you must, keep the power on to the smart bulb and use binding to have the switch control the light directly

mellow pendant
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How does that work. I went for smart spots to control color. And I want the switch to control the on/off state

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Never heared of 'binding'

winged knoll
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#zigbee-archived can explain binding, but it allows (where supported) one device to control another

mellow pendant
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Oke oke, I will look into that

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So Gledopto would still be the way to go?

winged knoll
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IMO yes, but the #zigbee-archived channel has a pinned message listing known working hardware

mellow pendant
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Alight, thanks

agile olive
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anyone has a sugestion of a sensor for the garden to check if there is enough water on the soil (and maybe other information) and that is compatible with HA?

winged knoll
agile olive
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Thanks @winged knoll, it's bluetooth right? I heard that the MiFlora is known for having very bad connection. Anyone knows if this is suitable for a large zone? I would like to use it not in a vase but in a soil with about 60cm by 2.50m

mighty magnet
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anyone have Smart Door locks that they like?

zenith sluice
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Hey @winged knoll , this Hue Outdoor sensor is a verry nice piece of kit. Sensor range is amazing, actually its a bit too good. Solid and heavy feeling, for $50. Thanks again for the tip.

winged knoll
zenith sluice
mighty magnet
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mmm - I'd almost be tempted to try to knock it off and paint it them, but that might just void the warranty outright

civic kraken
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That does look good

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checks the price > actually never mind

mighty magnet
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I partly like the idea of the Zigbee Schlage - because I can feel PRETTY confident I could use it offline if I wanted

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with either Zigbee or PIN code type stuff
"connected" like the August one I always wonder if my internet is out - am I going to be stuck with it not working?"

civic kraken
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If we go with looks only, the Danalock is the best I've seen (at least online). I'm still very much split on the idea of having the door unlock remotely

mighty magnet
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hmm - seems like around $200 is fairly standard though - for "connected" smart locks.
Maybe a bit cheaper for more "PIN based smart"

tiny smelt
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Any reccomendations for a wifi temp / humidiity sensor?

winged knoll
tiny smelt
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I have a zigbee network but it doesnt extend to my garage (at the end of the garden). For simplicity Im going to keep everythign in there wifi based I think

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Save me setting up a second zigbee network and all the hassle

winged knoll
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Then try the link

tiny smelt
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im not familiar with ESP home

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Seem to be mostly BTLE based

sly owl
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There are a bunch of 433mhz temp displays that show inside and outside temperature. Are there any with zigbee?

winged knoll
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Well ESPHome is effectively a BT to WiFi bridge there

feral night
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But thanks, I see your POV

mighty magnet
# tiny smelt Seem to be mostly BTLE based

In general - ESPHome is a basic platform for ESP32 and similar variants - which have a built in Wifi chip. So most of the ESP* things are essentially just "wifi" not Zigbee or others

that specific Xiami_BLE one is also designed to use Bluetooth-Low-Energy as well as Wifi.

charred jungle
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Hi folks. Iโ€™m trying to use an Aqara vibration sensor to detect when my clothes dryer is running and Iโ€™m finding itโ€™s not quite sensitive enough to do the job reliably. Sometimes it works, but other times, it stops detecting vibration mid-way through a cycle. To the best of my knowledge, Iโ€™ve set the sensitivity as high as I can. So, does anyone have any creative solutions to help?

I was wondering if perhaps there was a way to amplify the vibrations from my dryer to a point where the sensor would detect them on a consistent basis.

gloomy elbow
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Well, you could always stick it on a spring which is stuck to the dryer. Personally, I've found monitoring the power to be a lot more accurate though

proven girder
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Was going to suggest that. Easy to tell when a dryer is using power or not using power

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Otherwise if you want to be creative if thereโ€™s a light on the dryer to say itโ€™s active could sense that lol

charred jungle
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Thought about a spring. I guess I just need the right kind of spring.

I donโ€™t think power monitoring is an option for my dryer, as itโ€™s a 240 V electric dryer and I donโ€™t think we have any smart plugs that are compatible with that here in Canada.

gloomy elbow
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You can get clamps to put on the wires to check power

charred jungle
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I might look into that. A spring might be the cheaper and simpler option, though.

proven girder
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Itโ€™s weird

proven girder
charred jungle
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Any suggestions on a good compatible clamp?

steady socket
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So I just bought zigbee usb stick but my computer that runs my home assistant is in my garage so I need a few repeaters. What would be my best option? I have no other hubs than the usb. I was thinking of smart plugs but im not sure which is the right way to go

gloomy elbow
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Try using Zigbee2MQTT instead on another device.

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It would be best for your co-ordinator to be central in your home, and Z2M is ideal for this.

steady socket
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Its on a virtual machine on my server PC so I can't really centralize it. I think I'm using zigbee home automation right now.

glossy prism
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Rosemary is saying to use the coordinator on another machine like a raspberry pi in your home and run zigbee2mqtt

gloomy elbow
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Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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Put Zigbee2MQTT on another machine like a Raspberry Pi, and put that in your house. Then run the MQTT co-ordinator on your Home Assistant device and voilร , profit.

steady socket
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Alright ill have to look at them thanks

mighty magnet
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you can get all three phases, but most houses don't need it

proven girder
undone haven
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We were 2/3 phases before 2/3 phases was cool.

safe idol
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I can't trust Google. What do the home assistant enthusiasts prefer for light switches? ZigBee, zwave, or other? And of those, what is a recommended brand, model, and purchase site?

I apologize if this is well documented somewhere, but I have a baby and a toddler. My free time for searching these things is limited. And if you are in a discord with the people who have experience, why not ask them? ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Thanks in advance for any information.

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Extra info, I just ordered a conbee ii USB to get some ZigBee bulbs working that I recently purchased. I got USB because it might be easier to sell since I'm considering ordering HA yellow.

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I couldn't wait until June to change the color on the bulbs. Two were defaulted to soft white and the other two are bright white. It bugs me lol.

boreal oar
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I spent a lot of time researching switches after the ones I purchased came with instructions to not use them on a bathroom fan, which was my entire reason for buying them

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So I get that you have limited time, but that experience made me realize how they all can and cant do certain things and you have to match the device choice to your specific requirements

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But if you wanna just yolo it the zooz products arent perfect, but seem good quality and good value

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As for zwave and zigbee, i have devices of both and havent been able to find an advantage of one vs the other

safe idol
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Just looking to control front and back of house security lights and a few certain lights in the house. I'll check out zooz. Thanks!

proven girder
hollow lance
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Zigbee is generally more fun to say though ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

glossy prism
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I dunno, Z-Wave sounds cooler IMO

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But I'm all in on zigbee

fringe moon
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Sedd-whaeve

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Siggbiiiiiii

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I prefer the latter @glossy prism

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Sjikagรฅ

midnight ibex
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Hey there!
Anyone use opentherm for heating controll with HA?
I will have a remeha boiler, with 3 separet room/zone, and 4 radiator.
What kind of extra hardware you think I will need?
Probably radiator actuators but hould I go with remeha own thermostat, or something other?
I don't have a clear picture in my head about the heating / cooling so any input is helpfull. (I also going to have an AC for cooling)

slate cipher
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Anyone using a Shelly relay with a momentary bell press mechanism and manage to make automations using the shelly.click event?

abstract wolf
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hello

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i got a RaspBee 2 for my homeassistant raspberry.... i found some hints that i need to add some configs to the "config.txt"...... but where is this "config.txt" file (i got ssh access)?

fringe moon
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And it should be in /boot

lofty umbra
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i know this is a bit of a stretch since it's not HA related but does anyone know of a diy smartwatch or other wearable?

fringe moon
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Never seen

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I do love my amazfits though

lofty umbra
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i kinda know about 2 but they aren't DIY enough. you have to assemble them but that's it really. the lilygo t-watch 2021 and watchy

midnight ibex
slate otter
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Hi everyone! Novice in HA here) Has anyone faced an issue with bluetooth interface not being recognized by OS? HA is installed as VirtualBox VM, adapter - Atheros 3012. Adapter is added to VM but bluetoothctl scan says "No default controller available". I'm seeking the way to diagnoze what is the issue but can't find, how to check if the OS recognizes the adapter in the first place..

fringe moon
slate otter
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Was thinking where to put it, here or there, redirecting then

midnight ibex
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Hey there!
I would like to use measure CO just to be safe.
What kind of sensor do you recommend?
Would nice if it is hardwired (maybe esphome based) and zigbee(or wifi).

vagrant pulsar
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Hi guys, I'm setting up HA on Raspberry Pi for my new home. And was wondering what's the best solution for my Wi-Fi? It's a 200 m2 home, two floors and I think I definitely need a Mesh system but I heard mesh Wi-Fi is not good for IoT devices as they don't separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz SSIDs and that makes the devices to struggle connecting to the Wi-Fi!

winged knoll
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Most IoT devices don't support 5 GHz so it's fine - as long as you don't configure the AP to bump things between the frequencies

vagrant pulsar
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@winged knoll Correct but I meant because the router/Mesh system doesn't have separated SSIDs for 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz then Iot Devices which only work with 2.4 struggle to connect to the router, I have this issue with my current Virgin Media router as well.

winged knoll
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Can't say I have any issues with that

proven girder
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Iโ€™ve had issues when they have the auto steering stuff, so trying to force to 5Ghz

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But otherwise no issues either using linksys velop myself

midnight ibex
winged knoll
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Yeah, turn off the steering and there should be zero issues

proven girder
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Depends on the brand and what settings

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I had a d link modem/ router and that had a โ€˜smartโ€™ mode which ended up kicking a lot of IoT devices off

midnight ibex
proven girder
vagrant pulsar
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I think you guys are missing the point, most routers do have the functionality to broadcast on separate SSIDs but not Mesh Systems. For example TP-Link Deco M4 is a good mesh system but it doesnt let you broadcast on 2.4 on a separate SSID
I need a mesh system for my house as it's a two floor of 200m2 .

winged knoll
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My mesh system allows that

fringe moon
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Both my Linksys mesh system and my fathers TP-Link system supports splitting it

vagrant pulsar
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@winged knoll what is the brand and model of your system?

glossy prism
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I just use wired APs awesmart

vagrant pulsar
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@fringe moon can you please tell me what models of the Mesh systems you use?

winged knoll
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Asus

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ZenWiFi AX

fringe moon
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I use Linksys Velop, my father has TPLINK Deco M4

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it supported splitting when I set it up a year ago atleast

proven girder
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Are you sure you even need it split though

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A good mesh system should be happy to just leave some stuff on 2.4

vagrant pulsar
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Damn that Asus one is so expensive ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
@proven girder true, that's the right way, but most of them just kick the IoT devices off the network.

proven girder
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Sounds like you have some sort of smart routing going on dropping the connection

vagrant pulsar
wise gorge
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I am a owner of a Animus Heart & Smartthings. Since the Smartthings does not work well in my case towards HA and Animus is just obsolete... I am considering the Fibaro Home Center.

I am not sure to get the full version or lite version of the hardware. Reason for that is that i can buy zigbee usb dongle.. Do you have experience with fibaro home center? Does it communicate well with known equipment?

fringe moon
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A good workaround is to run a mesh system for regular house

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and seperate APs for IoT

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says the guy with 40 access points in boxes in his garage

vagrant pulsar
winged knoll
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IMO there's no good reason to buy one of those

hollow dock
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can any recommend a good in wall dimmer switch? my old one just died on me. zwave or zigbee dosnt matter as I can use either. right now I have more zigbee though. I am from the USA, budget I dont really care about so long as its reliable

bright jacinthBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
Command '~what' was invoked by: Tinkerer
hollow dock
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I have edited my question above with a bit more info

fringe moon
vagrant pulsar
fringe moon
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No idea, you can get used access points for free probably

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If you know where to look

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And if you disable routing in the mesh points and connect everything to the same layer2 there isn't any internal routing involved either

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Since iot only needs 2.4 you can get away with 10-15+ years old network gear

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If you were in Norway you could have had some for free from me

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I need to get rid of them at some point

vagrant pulsar
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haha thanks man, I'll figure something out, I still have time before I move into my new home

midnight ibex
wise gorge
winged knoll
earnest shoal
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@novel turret

Can the CT clamp sensor go on the power cord proper?

I don't exactly own my appliances and don't want to to break the tamper seal

novel turret
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it has to be on the hot wire only since clamping the hot and the neutral wires would give you a value of 0 I believe

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The dryer likely has a dedicated circuit so you might be better off doing it in the breaker box if you feel qualified to cut off the power from outside and putting it on the hot side in there for that specific circuit

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if you have the slightest hesitation for that then I'd say get an electrician or don't do it

earnest shoal
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The breaker box will an even bigger issue #apartmentliving

novel turret
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Many people use ESPHome with vibration sensors mounted on the side of the dryer

velvet raptor
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I have a number of wifi lights that continuously disconnect despite bing being near the wifi point. When I am close with my phone they seem to work fine. But as soon as my phone moves away they disconnect. Anyone got any ideas on why this is happening and how I can fix it?

thick oriole
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You can buy yourself a little circuit box, and build something which has on one side a plug and on the other a socket. You can use a power cord for this. Use cable glands for a proper strain relief . Then do everything you have to do in the box.

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Do everything on your own risk, if youโ€˜re not sure what you do. Get an electrician

sly owl
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For a dryer? Why not just use a smart plug with power measurement?

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(there may be some history here I don't know about ๐Ÿ™‚ )

thick oriole
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He said his power plugs are not suported or something like that

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But he could build an adapter inside the box to another plug system

wise kindle
#

Hey guys, I've been struggling getting my aqara temperature sensor to update. It's typically only updating when the value changes by 5-7 degrees.

Has any had better luck with other sensors? Do you guys like the sonoff temperature sensors at all?

winged knoll
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How are you integrating those into HA?

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Is that 5-7 F, or C, or some other scale?

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Using Zigbee2MQTT I get updates that can be a fraction of one degree C

wise kindle
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Sorry F. They're it's a ZigBee sensor. I'm using a nortech USB dongle to pick up the device. I'm not using a aqara hub.

winged knoll
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ZHA?

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Zigbee2MQTT?

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A hammer?

wise kindle
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Yeah, it's Zigbee2MQTT. It reports in fraction of the degree, but I can't seem to get it to update in any smaller interval than 5-7F

winged knoll
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One of mine

unknown.png
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You can see the fractional degree updates in there

fringe moon
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poor mesh coverage ? interference? paired to a router that gets turned off regularly?

wise kindle
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Poor mesh coverage is a possibility, but it doesn't seem to matter when I move it closer to it's paired device.

fringe moon
winged knoll
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Xiaomi devices don't change their parent

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Moving them doesn't help, and probably makes things worse

wise kindle
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I guess I'll just have to let my wife know I'm going to need to add some ZigBee plugs or something. Oh no.

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@winged knoll sorry one more question, are you using an aqara hub?

winged knoll
wise kindle
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I was just wondering what protocol you hub was using. But that's fine. I should have clarified my question. My bad.

winged knoll
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Well, I don't have a hub

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I have a Zigbee stick, and Zigbee2MQTT

wise gorge
drifting grove
#

Nope

bright jacinthBOT
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@wise gorge Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '~pickyourstick' was invoked by: Tinkerer
fast bane
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What's the best split system for use with HASS, I see Daikon units. I want more than just an IR interface, hopefully something with Local Wifi

slate cipher
fast bane
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@slate cipher Australia

slate cipher
fast bane
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I was looking for a Split System Brand, rather than something to integrate to. This is a brand new installation for a single bedroom.

slate cipher
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I will be getting a couple for the splits in my place, as well as an airtouch for my ducted system

left zinc
#

Has anyone had an issue with Zooz light switches going unavailable after turning them on/off like 20-30 times over a 10 minute period testing some automations?

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13 of my switches went unavailable all at once pretty much.

fringe moon
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Have you checked the list on home assistant integrations @fast bane

fast bane
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Yes but often custom components are good too

fringe moon
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Yes, i am somewhat of a custom component maintainer myself

valid frigate
winged knoll
#

You're sure...?

slate otter
#

Hi guys, looking for the options to set up the lights with wireless switch and smart bulb via zigbee hub. The choice so far - Xiaomi gateway 3 + Aqara wireless switch and bulb. Looks like that will work but the main concern is what if the HA or Gateway goes down or whatever wrong happens. I want to leave the dumb switch as a fallback but not sure will it work that way. I guess if the bulb is switched off manually with dumb switch - it resets or it depends on the vendor?

winged knoll
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  1. Smart switches and dumb bulbs
  2. Use ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT instead of a hub - see #zigbee-archived
slate otter
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  1. Smart switch with smart bulbs is still a bad option? Even with wireless switches?
  2. This hub seems to support Z2MQTT so that is the option I could play around, i guess
proven girder
slate otter
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Oh I see. But what if something goes wrong? Is there a safe way to fallback to manual control?

proven girder
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A smart switch can be done manually and still work. A smart bulb should default but it may not

fringe moon
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Just stop pressing buttons

slate otter
#

I don't want to touch the wires in my flat since the wiring is 60+ years old ๐Ÿ™‚ I will definetely use smart switches when I move to the new place.

proven girder
#

60 years isnโ€™t that bad

winged knoll
proven girder
#

If your wiring is crumbling so much you canโ€™t swap a switch then you have far larger issues

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Since it means the rest of the wiring is very ehhhh

winged knoll
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Admittedly you'll be fine as long as you don't touch any wiring, but even replacing a bulb could result in issues

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I remember my first house, where the bulk of the wiring was from when it was built... the electrician commented that a full rewire wasn't just a good idea, it was probably the only way to avoid the house burning down... ๐Ÿ˜‚

proven girder
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Thankfully my apartment is only 15 years old

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So wiring shouldnโ€™t be too bad. Before the age of cheap crap jobs, and too young for wiring dying

winged knoll
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My first house dated from the 50s

slate otter
winged knoll
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It was the house that Jack built in that it had so many damn bodges and really stupid decisions made

slate otter
winged knoll
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Copper, thankfully

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But the insulation was more theory than reality, and earth wiring was missing in more than a few places

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I had one socket that would only get a working earth if you angled the plug just right

slate otter
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Aluminum wires in my place with no ground line. Russian 60s style. Thankfully the house will be dismanteled in a couple of years and everyone will be moved to the new building

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So different bulbs behave differently when the power is shut down? Can't really find any info on that..

proven girder
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No because the general info is donโ€™t turn their power off

winged knoll
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If you turn off the power to a smart bulb it's off, powered off, can't function

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If you turn off the power to a Zigbee or Z-Wave smart bulb you just broke your mesh

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Cutting power to smart bulbs isn't smart tongue_out_closed_eyes

slate otter
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Yeah, but for the worst case scenario when something goes wrong in the system, I am far away from home and my wife just wants to turn the light on and off

winged knoll
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All the more reason for smart switches

slate otter
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Can't agree more but that is for the future place, unfortunatelly ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

signal blaze
#

What's the latest and greatest Z-wave controller one can get for HA in Europe?

winged knoll
#

You're probably best off grabbing a cheap 500 series stick for now

raven silo
signal blaze
#

Thanks @winged knoll, I'm currently using the z-wave stick from my old Hubitat, and it crashes quite often, same as it did on Hubitat. I would have to turn off the z-wave radio, unplug, replug then start again to get devices to work. I've been doing the same in HA, should be automatable

winged knoll
#

Sheesh, that's ... painful

signal blaze
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Yeah, not ideal at all, especially since I'm planning migrating the very expensive Verisure alarm to a self-owned system, would friggin' suck to be stuck out of the house...

gray crater
#

Hey Folks, I have some trouble with my already running Home Assistant Integration and Shelly (1 and 2.5) switches. I suddenly have a lot of switches in my homekit named switch.OTA Update and switch.REBOOT and so on. I tried to exclude them within the homekit plugin but it doesnt work

modern ginkgo
#

I'm looking for a water valve that I can hook up to a zigbee relay. There are a few wifi options but I don't see anything zigbee in the US. This would be right after my main house shutoff and would trigger when a water sensor goes off

valid frigate
#

httpswww.amazon.co.ukDrayton-Wiser-Heating-System-ExtenderdpB07D71BPGKref=sr_1_1?crid=39T8ORP

pine plinth
#

Hello. Which hardware brand would you recommend? I'm familiar with Insteon. My "old" house was 100% Insteon on HCA. For our new home I decided that HA would be more interesting and challenging (fun). We also run Nest with 5 sensors, a few BroadLink outlets.

winged knoll
#

Depends entirely on:

  1. For what
  2. Where in the world you are
  3. Budget
pine plinth
civic kraken
#

The reason for most people to go with HA in the first place is to combine the best of each brand

#

So if you look for something in particular, ask about that one and look for the different options people use

pine plinth
winged knoll
#

Zigbee FTW

civic kraken
#

Then ask for wall switches for the US and I'm sure people can help out. But going broader than that, it'll be hard

winged knoll
#

If you go Zigbee and either ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT you can mix brands to suit your needs

obtuse raven
#

Holy shit, this is one badly behaving Tuya smart plug ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
SH-OP01, apparently has a hard-coded chinese NTP server IP to it (and actively refuses to use my DHCP Option 42 self-hosted NTP server).
Well, time to mess with routing tables, make it think it's connecting home...

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Jesus ๐Ÿ˜„

winged knoll
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So, standard cloud junk then...

obtuse raven
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And once I no longer have active need for it, look into maybe getting Tasmota on it instead

fringe moon
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You could have just said cloud

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๐Ÿคข

obtuse raven
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Ehhh, in my experience, most cloud devices at least respect DHCP Option 42 ๐Ÿ˜„

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Since it's more work to not do it ๐Ÿ˜„

fringe moon
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Interception should be easy enough

obtuse raven
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Yeah, I've now got it connecting to my NTP with some iptables shenanigans

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Still would've preferred not to have to do that though

fringe moon
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If it has a esp chip

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It will be easy to flash

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If not, throw it out

obtuse raven
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Hmm.. Is there a non-intrusive way to find out if it's ESP or Realtek?

fringe moon
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Mac address

obtuse raven
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Ah, right. OUI ๐Ÿ˜„ Should've figured

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10-D5-61, Tuya Smart Inc. Hmmh

fringe moon
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So no esp

obtuse raven
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Damn

pine plinth
winged knoll
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You need a coordinator

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See the pinned messages over there

pine plinth
winged knoll
pine plinth
winged knoll
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No worries, I thought I'd linked it earlier

drifting grove
#

Hi, sorry but could someone help. I am not able to mount a NFCS drive to hassio, how is that done

glossy prism
drifting grove
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ok thanks, will try.

jaunty zenith
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anybody here with a recommendation on a well-calibrated temperature/humidity/+ sensor? Found these sonoff ones i bought to be too much of a hassle, unstable and most importantly i'm unsure whether to trust the readings on them.

hollow lance
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Sonoff are pretty garbage

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Are these zigbee sensors?

lunar pelican
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anyone heard of anybody getting ada working on a pi pico or arduino? i know rhasspy exsists but i was hoping i could get it working on a micro controller as itd be cheaper especially because zero ws are $90 usd rn where you can find them in stock

winged knoll
thick oriole
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How is a calibration possible? With a correction function in home assistant?

fringe moon
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Correction can be done via zigbee2mqtt

thick oriole
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Is it also possible with ZHA?

fringe moon
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No idea, probably

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temperature calibration

thick oriole
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Ok its only a constant temperature offset

fringe moon
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Yes

thick oriole
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I wouldnt make a precise measurement in my test bed either, with them

fringe moon
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In my experience the Xiaomi sensors are at worst 0.5-1c off from another sensor another place in the room

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So I don't bother

thick oriole
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So probably for home automation precise enough

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Probably more precise then my philips motion sensors ๐Ÿ˜‚

fringe moon
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Eh, probably the same

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Xiaomi motion sensors aren't good for temperature though

thick oriole
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They show strange sensor values some times, deviating to each other more than two degrees celsius

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Maybe i can calibrate them as soon as they are directly conected to HA, i will try it

winged knoll
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My Xiaomi devices are all pretty solid in terms of reporting plausible values. Unlike my Z-Wave sensors which have previously reported temperatures hotter than the sun/below absolute zero

fringe moon
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I loved my old golf iv, the AC temp sensor was impossible to reach without disassembly of the dash, and it gave off -99c as default when there was any error, so ac never worked, gee thanks VW

winged knoll
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At least it wasn't a Renault, where you have to disassemble the car wing and wheel well to replace a headlight bulb

fringe moon
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You mean, like any french car still

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And they eat headlight bulbs

thick oriole
fringe moon
lunar pelican
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has anyone gotten ada working on a few raspberry pis in diffrent rooms that send the data to the home assistant server? or anyone know if theres any documentation on that

winged knoll
lunar pelican
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thanks, didnt see there was a whole channel for that

pearl gate
#

not sure if this is the correct channel, but I was wondering if there's any way to drive a dot matrix display plugged straight into a Rasp 3b+ running Hassio through the HA interface

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looks like it can be done through MQTT, but I'd like to plug it in

winged knoll
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No - support for GPIO is going to go away

pearl gate
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oh well

lunar pelican
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wait on raspberry pis as a whole or HA?

winged knoll
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HA

lunar pelican
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oh i got so scared for a sec

thick oriole
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that would be horrendous

amber arch
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Sorry for the noob question but I've tried looking in the docs and searching, but sadly haven't found anything yet. I'm new to the home automation game and haven't even downloaded HA yet, but my question is, is there a guide out there or someway to know when a raspberry Pi would work vs when something like the HP micro server is needed? i.e. how can I gauge which hardware specs I would need per what the house has?

fringe moon
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Well

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Anything is an upgrade from a pi

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Especially a pi3

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Will give you more flexibility, a usable storage subsystem and proper power options

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And expandability

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A used minicomputer or laptop are great options

amber arch
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for sure, but surely if you're just running let's say, some lights and a speaker, then you would want an entire server, and I would assume that a Pi 3 or 4 would work

fringe moon
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A mini itx system can also double up as a nas and more

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A pi will work for most, i will never advice it though

amber arch
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how come?

fringe moon
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It's a fickle kids toy, with too many caveats and no way to scale

winged knoll
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SD cards die

fringe moon
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It's like buying a Fiat 500 then having triplets

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And moving to the country side

amber arch
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so would you say a basic micro server with expansion capabilities would be best? Want a more dedicated system than a laptop or desktop

winged knoll
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Best is a bit personal, but if you can spec it up, it doesn't hurt

jovial pulsar
fringe moon
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Yes

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They have been used in Norwegian schools for a decade

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To teach kids coding

jovial pulsar
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Lots of people recommend using an old laptop, because you get a free UPS.

fringe moon
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For reference

amber arch
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okay that makes sense, but then how would I know whether the specs of the laptop would be good enough for various appliances

winged knoll
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Is it 64 bit capable, and less than 10 years old?

fringe moon
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And not an atom

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Preferably

amber arch
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so it's quite bulky, so I think 32GB RAM and an intel i5? if I'm not mistaken

winged knoll
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That should be quite sufficient

fringe moon
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That will be enough for 20 instances of HA and more

winged knoll
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I run HA on an 8 year old i5 laptop, with 8 GB of RAM - and I have a load of capacity left over

amber arch
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why would one need so many instances? or is it just as an example?

winged knoll
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He's making the point that it's more than enough ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Also, test instances FTW

amber arch
fringe moon
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I run ha + 25 other containers + local backup + cloud backup + multiple other services on a j4105 with 12GB RAM

winged knoll
fringe moon
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Heck, i run frigate on that box too

winged knoll
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I can see how much RAM is in use, vs cache. How much the CPU is being used, what the I/O load is, etc

amber arch
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sorry know this must be frustrating to try and explain. So I would like to start a business in my country for small scale smart homes and I'm just trying to figure out if it's possible for me, and the only thing confusing me right now is just being able to know how good the hardware specs need to be based on what appliances need to be run

fringe moon
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Anything will be more reliable than a pi

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But I won't advice anyone to deliver services on home assistant

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Because users are idiots

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Best regards, someone who has worked with users for 20 years

amber arch
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as in they somehow manage to always break the system? ๐Ÿ˜‚

fringe moon
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Yes

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And have idiotic demands that they think are possible with 2 minutes job

winged knoll
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If you're going to do it, make sure you're using robust non-SD based hardware that you can remote into when things go wrong

amber arch
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that's very understandable, would you not recommend HA due to their constant updates and potential bugs?

winged knoll
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Also, many integrations use cloud services. Those cloud services break and it's clearly Home Assistant's fault...

amber arch
winged knoll
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HA is great because of the updates

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Sadly, HA can't stop cloud services from being deprecated, changing their API, etc

amber arch
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I get that fully

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surely using lovelace it dumbs down the users ability to break the system?

winged knoll
fringe moon
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You have apparently never met users before

winged knoll
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The UI allows you to add add-ons that can edit the config files

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Plus the UI allows you to remove things, or change settings

amber arch
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I'm currently final year computer science so haven't had the pleasure of dealing with users yet ๐Ÿ˜‚

winged knoll
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Trust me, lurk here for a week and you'll see how badly people can screw up the simplest of tasks

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Read r/talesfromtechsupport or the Chronicles of George to get some idea

amber arch
fringe moon
fringe moon
amber arch
fringe moon
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Yes

amber arch
amber arch
# fringe moon Yes

that's wild, does it require admin login to be able to do that though?

winged knoll
fringe moon
amber arch
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๐Ÿ˜‚

amber arch
winged knoll
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That's a no

amber arch
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awesome, thank you @fringe moon @winged knoll for your help and answers! greatly appreciate the advice

fringe moon
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Leave while you still have sanity points left

amber arch
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why do you stay if I may ask?

fringe moon
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I've been mad for years

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There is no hope

amber arch
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but surely HA is keeping you here because it's good? or is it just at the point where it's too late to turn back?

winged knoll
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It's great, but the learning curve can be steep

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And users... just say no to users

fringe moon
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I don't support other people's ha instances

winged knoll
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You can't pay me enough to touch that game, but then I'm cynical and jaded

fringe moon
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I'd do it, for $500 per hour, at a best effort basis

amber arch
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to set it up for someone? ๐Ÿ˜‚

fringe moon
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Yes

amber arch
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how long does it take to set up?

fringe moon
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10 minutes

winged knoll
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And then about 5 years of fiddling

fringe moon
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That's optimistic

amber arch
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I'm starting to feel the pain

thick oriole
winged knoll
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It's great, but before you consider doing paid support for others, live with it yourself for a while

thick oriole
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but not if you have to do it for others ๐Ÿ˜„

gentle fossil
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users will nag you to install supervisor for them on templeOS

amber arch
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yeah so I am going to set up for myself first and fiddle around, but it's more curiosity if there could be a future with HA to set up for business

winged knoll
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There certainly can be

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Pricing that to make it work as a business is something most people fail horribly at

fringe moon
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Reminds me of the self flaggelation I've heard is great for the mind

amber arch
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it take it HA is the flagellation? ๐Ÿ˜‚

fringe moon
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Supporting users is

amber arch
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makes me scared to finish my degree now ๐Ÿ˜‚

zealous dune
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just never do tech support

amber arch
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hopefully I won't have to, looking to go into dev side

fringe moon
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Just get four credit cards now, you'll be buying fifteen different keyboards within a year

amber arch
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because they wear out or because of those special coding keyboards and funny layouts?

fringe moon
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Because programmers are strange creatures who have a mechanical keyboard fetish mostly

amber arch
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I literally have one now ๐Ÿ˜‚ don't you?

fringe moon
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No

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I hate mechanical keyboards

amber arch
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noisy?

fringe moon
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And feeling

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I might enjoy some 1970s IBM keyboards occasionally

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But none of those RGB fidget adhd keyboards please

amber arch
fringe moon
amber arch
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so wild thought, can you not bypass the need to have the cloud subscription by opening your router and accessing the local webpage for the server like that?

gentle fossil
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thats what usually everyone does. with a tls terminating proxy in between

thick oriole
gentle fossil
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the cloud service is just for users who dont konw how

fringe moon
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Or are behind capitalist ISPs

amber arch
fringe moon
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A lot of isps block outside access, or place you behind CGNAT

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Can usually be paid your way out of

amber arch
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surely your router can change that to an extent? at least from fiddling around with my router I've seen options for such

gentle fossil
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no

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tunnels are the only way

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you can do traffic via dns

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but that is like 56k modem

amber arch
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so generally it's either expensive or takes a bit of work to get it done?

fringe moon
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Or it isn't possible

amber arch
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okay, understandable. Not sure if this is blasphemy, but would openhab be better for potential commercial use or is it either or??

fringe moon
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No

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Users and hardware constraints and network constraints are the same

winged knoll
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And the pace of change there is so slow if stuff is broken, good luck in waiting for the fix

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We've seen a lot of people abandon OH to use HA because of that

amber arch
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okay so HA would be the better choice, but is it dumb to even try use HA or start up smart home stuff for others?

winged knoll
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Step #1 is you learning enough that you can support others

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Step #2 is then to work out how much you'd have to charge

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Step #3 is then working out if that makes it a viable business/worth your time

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There are people who provide commercial HA support services and apparently make it work

amber arch
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okay, well let me play around with it all and over time see if I can make it work, thank you to everyone for the advice and support

pine plinth
#

Hello, last night I managed to connect my Nest thermostat to HA (yay) now we have 4 Nest sensors and I'm not sure how to pull them - can someone point me in the right direction? Thank you!

agile axle
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Do you guys have any NUC recommendations?

fringe moon
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Mostly any from the last 10 years

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Do you have any specific you are looking at?

agile axle
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Not really, trying to not break the bank

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Looking for a good value for $200-300, if possible

fringe moon
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Should be very doable, I paid $100 for a j1900 AliExpress computer 3 years ago, 8GB ram and SSD

feral night
fringe moon
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I don't run HA on it

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But it can run HA and more better than a pi

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It's currently my backup router

agile axle
thick oriole
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yeah i have an elitedesk 800 g2

agile axle
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Seems like a good option. Do you run anything else on it?

thick oriole
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yes, a snapcastserver

fringe moon
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That will do a lot more too

thick oriole
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it's mostly idleing at 9W

agile axle
#

So when you install HA on a Rasp Pi (what I have now), you have to run just that OS, so do you run it in a docker on one of these? With just Windows? Sorry, I am not super familiar with that universe.

fringe moon
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With your favourite Linux distribution as the base os

zealous dune
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another supervisor user incoming

thick oriole
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i'm running it in a kvm virtual machine

thick oriole
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i mean it's the recommended way, isn't it

fringe moon
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Definitely not

zealous dune
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see ๐Ÿคฃ

thick oriole
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"Home Assistant offers four different installation methods. We recommend using one of the following two methods: " -> Home Assistant Operating System

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on the website i mean

fringe moon
thick oriole
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ah okay

zealous dune
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can't even assemble supervised from those letters

fringe moon
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And that is one of two recommended methods

thick oriole
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yes

zealous dune
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depends on who you ask

fringe moon
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๐Ÿคข

zealous dune
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cough youtube cough

fringe moon
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Disgusting

thick oriole
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But i think the elitedesk is a good point to start with much better than a raspberry

fringe moon
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Yes

thick oriole
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but they have a fan and are thus not completely silent, something you have to consider, mine is pretty loud though. i think the fan i got as replacement for the last one which was defect isn't in the best state either

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but the nuc that i have which constantly runs on 3600rpm fan speed without workload, i don't know why, is louder

fringe moon
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I have rack servers that are less noisy then my core Switches, so noise level is relative

agile axle
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Do you run it with Linux or just Windows? Some of these have Windows on it already

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I am guessing some NUCs don't?

fringe moon
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Not windows

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Preferably

gentle fossil
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wants to have a server

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installs windows 10 home edition

fringe moon
thick oriole
gentle fossil
#

you don't even get a nice license sticker nowadays

gloomy spoke
#

Make a note of the activation key and blow it away

gentle fossil
#

some of them have their own onboard license hardware but I'm not sure anymore, think I've seen that

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maybe its just ms surface devices

fringe moon
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I haven't entered a key for years

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Think it is tied to serial on some systems

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For laptops that is

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Windows server i mostly use kms

gentle fossil
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yeah, autokms.exe lol

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I have a whole sticker collection, I recently activated a rpi with windows 11 dev build and a win7 home edition serial from 200something

fringe moon
hallow urchin
#

Iโ€™m really struggling with the motion sensors in my basement. They keep triggering (they go to "clear" for a few milliseconds, then back to "detected") even though nothing is moving or happening down there. Basically they are constantly in the detected state. This appears to be closely related to where I place them in the room. Some locations, typically on a table in the middle of the room, work reliably, but I have yet to find a wall or ceiling I can place them on to have it reliably work. Has anyone experienced this? Are motion sensors sensitive to invisible stuff like electricity/wires or something like that?

winged knoll
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What are they?

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Maybe if you provide details somebody will know if those particular ones are junk

hallow urchin
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I have tried several brands, currently using Aeotec SmartThings and Nedis SmartLife.

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There are three sensors in three different rooms, with open doors between them. I have a water heater and various other infrastructure down there.

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Brick/wood walls, plaster/wood ceilings - nothing out of the ordinary.

thick oriole
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I only had mine activated through steam flowing out of a cooking pot

hallow urchin
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Yeah, thereโ€™s nothing like that. And Iโ€™m having the same problem in all three rooms, although one (the workshop) is by far the worst - most of the time it wonโ€™t even go to "clear" at all in there.

thick oriole
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have you tried to put something over them like a towel, too see if it's still happening

hallow urchin
#

I thought I had found some decent placements yesterday, where one was stable and the other two would go through just 2-3 clear/detected cycles before settling on "clear", but today two of them are stuck on "detected" with brief flashes of "clear" inbetween.

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No, I spent some time trying to figure out if I could adjust their sensitivity yesterday (didnโ€™t find a solution), but I havenโ€™t tried doing it the manual way ๐Ÿ™‚

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But even if I am able to solve it like that, it doesnโ€™t feel like a proper solution. Iโ€™m really curious what could be triggering them.

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Apart from the occasional spider, there should be absolutely nothing moving.

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And certainly not in all three rooms

thick oriole
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check if they're still doing this if they're totaly blocked

winged knoll
#

RF interference is always a possibility

hallow urchin
#

Yeah, Iโ€™m almost certain it has to be something like that, I just didnโ€™t know they would be that sensitive to stuff like that.

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But yes, checking if it happens when they are covered visually is a good tip - will test it.

hallow urchin
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Tried taping over one of them, and itโ€™s still stuck on "detected".

thick oriole
#

do you have motion sensors at other places than your basement which are working?

feral night
#

What's your opinion: will Intel NUC 11 i5 suffice with such services:

  • Home Assistant
  • Zigbee2MQTT
  • NodeRED
  • Frigate
  • Wireguard
  • PiHole
  • Vaultwarden
  • static site and some web scraping containers
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It would be i5-1135G7 with 16gb ram maybe 32

gilded badger
#

Hey I'm probably the millionth person to ask: but which thermostats for radiators would you suggest for HASS? maybe there are some good cheap ones that are compatible?

civic kraken
#

Are you running any AI with frigate @feral night? Depending on the number of cameras you probably want a Google Coral to help you out. Otherwise you're probably more than fine

agile axle
civic kraken
#

Windows just isn't very good for server stuff. You can do it, but why should you

feral night
#

I need to learn about monitoring Docker performance

civic kraken
#

Coral purchases are a problem in that you quite literally can't find them anywhere. But otherwise performance should be just fine

feral night
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I'm just evaluating if this nuc will be enough for my needs

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So I'm not prsuiting having detection in this nvr

civic kraken
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Afaik for a general HA build it'll be just fine

fringe moon
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I ran a lot more than that on a lot less

feral night
feral night
winged knoll
#

If you remove Frigate, it'll be fine

feral night
#

Ok, I'm sticking to i5

vestal heart
#

hi, anyone here uses Aqara Mini switch with Conbee 2?

winged knoll
#

(and answer the question in the channel topic there)

drifting grove
#

Any reasonably cheap sensors (motion/temp/etc) that are worth buying and connecting to HA without needing a separate hub? What's the current recommendations? Thanks

modern ginkgo
boreal oar
#

Does anyone know if there's a way to use a speaker product like alexa/google/homepod and block the telemetry / phone home (and still have it be functional) ?

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Like, I imagine you'd lose some functionality for sure, but could you pair it with HA to make up for that lost functionality

eternal mason
#

It's a cloud-based voice assistant so I think you'd lose Google Assistant if you blocked telemetry

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Someone else may know more, but I doubt it's possible

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And if you could, you'd lose the part that makes it better than something like Ada

boreal oar
#

yeah I'm curious if maybe it could still function to relay speech from HA, but maybe it can't interpret any commands

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sort of turns it into a one way speaker, but the mic doesn't do anything

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or maybe it could pass audio commands to Ada? (i assume that's the HA/home brew equiv to google voice?)

nimble ginkgo
#

Hey y'all, i am just started up on HA and am using my older gaming PC (i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD). I think it draws too much power and is fairly loud. I'm wondering if I could re-use the parts to cheaply reduce the size/power -- instead of dropping money on a NUC. My current thoughts are to look into Mini ITX boards/builds, has anyone had experience here?

boreal oar
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well the biggest change in power draw will be the CPU

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doesn't matter so much what form factor motherboard you use

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so if you want to switch the CPU to something lower power look up the CPU's TDP, low end options are like 65w i believe, higher end are 95w

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that for example has a TDP of 84w

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is 54w

nimble ginkgo
#

interesting looks like mine is 77W

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i7 3770k

boreal oar
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sounds average ish

#

there's the powersupply, too

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if it's vastly over powered and inefficient, like a bronze rated power supply

nimble ginkgo
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so yeah if i reduce the motherboard i was wondering if that could limit my powersupply size

boreal oar
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no the motherboard itself doesn't really draw much power

nimble ginkgo
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i forgot when i made it how i calculated the power supply size. I think mine is silver rated? need to double check

boreal oar
#

and power supplys are pretty universal no matter the motherboard. unless you're using some Dell proprietary stuff

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usually people calculate the power supply they need based on the GPU

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cause most of the rest of a PC's hardware can operate on pretty minimal power

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GPU's are like a mini-computer within your computer and are super power hungry

nimble ginkgo
#

So should i remove my GPU then, since i'm not gaming anymore

boreal oar
#

I think something like that is more about going compact in size, rather than power savings. It's 150w, but a powersupply itself doesn't use any power, except what it loses in inefficiency

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yeah, i mean a GPU shouldn't draw much when it's idle, but it's a contributing factor. But if you remove it make sure you have on-board graphics

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you can run the machine without any gpu or onboard graphics, but it likely will want you to set that up in the bios first, plus if you have to trouble shoot it later you may have issues

nimble ginkgo
#

everything sounds loud, at night we can hear it and it's scary wrt electricity prices.

boreal oar
#

If i were you, since you're getting into HA anyway, buy yourself a smart outlet that has power monitoring

nimble ginkgo
#

I guess i should monitor the power usage some more to see if it really is inefficient

boreal oar
#

run it for a bit and monitor power usage.

nimble ginkgo
#

lmao for real, i've been wanting one of those for the washer/dryer to know when it's drawing power

boreal oar
#

hearing it just means you've got shitty fans on there. But check the CPU usage. maybe you've got somethign running constantly that's peaking the CPU out and causing the fans to spin up,

nimble ginkgo
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man i don't remember what younger me was doing but i remember installing a massive cpu fan and maybe just maybe setting it to max at all times

boreal oar
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yeah could be it

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i don't know what energy prices are like for you, but you should consider that you may be spending $300 on new hardware to save $50 a year in electricity

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but I guess energy is gonna sky rocket for all of us soon